Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2421: The Best At-Home Way to Get Lean, Burn Fat & Build Muscle (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:01:27 Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the most downloaded fitness, health, and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Right in today's episode, we answered live caller's questions. People called in, we got to help them out on air. But this was after our intro.

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Starting point is 00:03:01 one for Facebook. The Apple Podcast winner is Matt Nebbenzal. And for Facebook we have Julian Torres. Both of you are winners. Send the name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com, include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Here's one of the best ways you can get lean, burn fat and build muscle at home. Check this out. Get a pull-up bar and something for push-ups and throughout the day do some pull-ups, do some push-ups, and do some squats low to moderate intensity. That's right,

Starting point is 00:03:32 you're practicing the exercises all day long. If you do it too hard it won't work. It needs to be moderate intensity, but if you do it every single day, watch what happens to your body. This may be one of the secrets that fitness people never talk about. We call that low tech high effect. Yeah, it's greasing the groove. Greasing the groove. Yeah, what was his name? Pavel.

Starting point is 00:03:51 Yeah, he talked about that. I think you get pretty far with this. The limiting factor is the legs. Of course. But I think between pull ups and push ups, you can make that difficult enough with relatively no weight, and even if you did add a little weight on your waist for pulling up to get and build a good amount of

Starting point is 00:04:08 muscle from those two movements. Legs get you started but then you technically because you didn't say this but you can go to pistols. Yes, split stance you can do a lot. Yeah but if you think of the average person without even you know trying to modify. Average person like you know do a couple pull-ups do 10 push-ups, 30 bodyweight squats, do that like four times a day. Oh yeah, consistently? I mean, you'll start seeing, and people,

Starting point is 00:04:33 they don't think it works because it's not super intense. Like, well I could do, why wouldn't I do 30 push-ups? Why instead of just do 10? Just do 10, but do it throughout the day, and then watch what happens. Watch what happens to your health, your fitness. This was something that I noticed, this is how I came up with trigger sessions early on,

Starting point is 00:04:50 is I noticed with blue collar workers, their hands and their forearms, and if they were letter carriers, their calves, they were so muscular, and it's not like they trained to failure, they just worked them all day long every single day. And after the first six months, they probably wouldn't ever soar again,

Starting point is 00:05:08 not in the same way, but they had well-developed body parts that were attributed to the movements they did. And I think this is kind of the way the body evolved to move. I think if you do this, you'll find some pretty remarkable results. And then if you're advanced, combine this with your workout. So if you're already advanced,

Starting point is 00:05:24 and you're going to the gym, do this with certain exercises throughout the day and watch what happens. It's a continuous signal and you recover better than any of the other methods. It's kind of funny because we've had to adapt because of our work schedule and because of the way we've structured our day, where we're so sedentary. And then we have this one opportune hour, you know throughout the day like how do we maximize everything? This one hour of time And it's just so much it our body just does so much better when you spread it out throughout the day Just we don't have that sort of convenience like we did back in the day. So you bringing this up

Starting point is 00:06:00 Reminds me of something. I actually wanted to bring up today in relation to our GLP-1 coaching. So for the audience that doesn't know that we've officially launched and started, by the time this airs it'll be about a week and a half, but it's only about a week in of something that is really, I find very interesting for us. We've got 50 people that are all going through our GLP-1 program that are all on a GLP-1. And I mean, every, all different.

Starting point is 00:06:31 Every experience is super unique. Different ages, different body types, different challenges, struggles. I wanted to ask you guys, what are some things that you notice or see already? And for me, that what you're talking about right now is one of the things I noticed right away was people were like, this is so little volume.

Starting point is 00:06:53 And people wanted to do, want to do so much more. And I mean, and I didn't think that was gonna happen with this group, I guess maybe because I thought that their thing was gonna be weight loss, that their appetites were gonna be so low, that their appetites were going to be so low, that oh they're going to get it, understand it, but I find we're in that same predicament even with this group of people. 100%. I, people, you could divide my career as a trainer in half. Like there's a first part and a second

Starting point is 00:07:22 part and the second part is when I really got it. The first part is when I missed a lot. Now I cared the whole time. So the whole time I cared about my clients, I wanted to help them. It's just there was a shift maybe five to five, seven years in where I really started to figure things out. And here's the big difference.

Starting point is 00:07:40 In the early days, if a client felt kind of off, if they hurt a little bit or whatever, they would call to cancel the workout. Towards the second half, if a client felt off, they'd call me to see if they could come in because they would feel better after the workout than they did before. The first half, people would comment after their,

Starting point is 00:08:00 you know, initial workouts and say things like, oh my God, I could barely move. The second half, people will come and say, I feel like I barely worked out, I actually kind of feel kind of good. In the second half, I was far superior in terms of getting people results, getting them consistent, getting their body to respond.

Starting point is 00:08:16 We overdo it, we often, often overdo it, and a lot of it has to do with because we glamorize the torture and the pain. What happens when you go on social media is you see fitness fanatics working out. Now when I work out, I need to work out at a certain intensity to get my body to improve any further. To maintain my health, I don't necessarily.

Starting point is 00:08:34 But if I want to go any further, my workout's gonna look pretty hardcore. But for most people, especially when you first get started, it doesn't look anything like that at all. And so people have no idea. So when they hear the kind of advice like I said, which is do a few pushups, a few body weights, they're like, well that's easy, I'll just do more.

Starting point is 00:08:50 I'll do way more, I barely feel anything. You're not supposed to. We'll do all the weighted best. Yes, you won't get there any faster if you do that. In fact, you'll get there slower. You have to stimulate your body to progress and adapt. Not force it. I know we always say force,

Starting point is 00:09:04 because I see where you could get that idea But then we think force we think we're gonna beat the shit of herself. I think there's a case I think there's a part two that so many people miss most people that hired you most not all but most people that hired you We're looking for general weight loss, right body fat They want to reduce their body fat percentage most that's most most common thing you get. And the other part of this, Sal, that I think a lot of these clients aren't factoring in is that you're also in a caloric deficit. You just stack the cards against yourself.

Starting point is 00:09:34 Right, and so this idea, and so you have that, and then you have, to your point about the, in the fitness space, you have a lot of these trainers and coaches that are speaking to themselves and their peers about progressive overload and fitch failure training and how, how important it is that we stress the body that hard in order to make it grow and adapt. And so you hear that coming from really intelligent, smart people. So this must be the truth.

Starting point is 00:10:01 And then here you are this either newbie or relatively new person to strength training and you got all this weight to lose And you hear these people saying that and so therefore you think like this can't be enough. I gotta do more i'm, not being credit it's like You don't understand like Not only is it is it not how you should be training? But then you add in the fact that you're in a calorie deficit like that You're not giving the body the building blocks in order to go out and go build muscle So the so the information you're hearing about

Starting point is 00:10:30 Failure training to stimulate growth even more inaccurate. Yeah, it's even more inaccurate for you because you're not that person You're not there yet right now, and that's not a bad thing In fact, there's some real great perks about being early on in this game Is that it doesn't take very much to stimulate the body to get it to respond But it is very easy to overdo it or over correct and I think and then here we are in this example again I guess I thought Because we are gonna be dealing with these people that were mostly most for most people drop trying to drop a significant amount of weight They'd be in a different mindset. They would actually probably really appreciate, like, oh, the workouts aren't crazy intense. But of course, that

Starting point is 00:11:12 was the first. I know, I should have known, right? I mean, was that not the first thing? I assume the same, which was, yeah, it was actually surprising on some level, but then it's like, duh. Everybody coming in that wants to lose weight like they're in this mad hustle to get this done We only wanted we even told them you're gonna think it's too easy Yeah, when you first get started the workouts gonna feel like they're not that hard, but trust the problem This is why being an effective trainer

Starting point is 00:11:36 So much hinges on your ability to get your client to trust you because they have to because everybody everyone else tells them It's supposed to be this way way I'm supposed to kill myself otherwise this is gonna happen in the past if I made any progress at all because I literally tortured myself how can this possibly be true and it's like you got to do something different it didn't work before it didn't work before because you did it wrong so when it comes to getting your body to progress it's about the right dose and in the truth is the right dose is typically a lot less than you think.

Starting point is 00:12:06 Even when you're, look this is even true for a fitness fanatic who's consistent. You've been working out for years and years and years and super consistent. Here's what your year of workouts should look like. It's mostly coasting interrupted by small bursts of sprints. Small bursts of intensity. So it's like three months of kinda treating my body well,

Starting point is 00:12:25 then I'll do like four weeks or three weeks of hardcore training, then I'll do another month or two months of coasting, then maybe another two weeks. That's what it should look like. Otherwise you injure yourself over training and you go backwards. And if you talk to anybody who's been doing this for a long time, ask them the truth

Starting point is 00:12:38 and they'll tell you, yeah, probably, that's what it looks like. It looks like I follow this routine, feel good, and then I have these moments where everything's hitting, I'm getting good sleep, my diet's perfect, I feel great, and I can stretch myself a little further. It's just how the body adapts, and if you try to go against how the body adapts,

Starting point is 00:12:56 no one's ever won a battle against their body. Actually, right now, your body will win that battle. It'll just keep getting louder, and eventually the signals get so loud that you can't ignore them. So, you know, the advice of the little bit of movement throughout the day, it's funny, because during the pandemic,

Starting point is 00:13:11 when people were locked in their homes essentially, I was telling people to do this as a way to help their mental state and I would get messages from people that I got in better shape. Yeah, and they told me to break up my workouts to make my day- It's a byproduct, and you're a lot stronger.

Starting point is 00:13:23 Yeah, not making me feel crazy because I was at home all day. But I did what you said and I did 20 minutes in the morning, 20 minutes in the afternoon, 20 minutes in the evening. I think I got better results doing that. It's like, yeah, the body works really great when you treat the way it's supposed to. It's optimal like that, yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:36 Any predictions you guys have for this group based off of what we're kind of, I mean, it's early, right? We're only a weekend and we're just getting started with this group. Like any predictions? It's gonna be some hard We're only a weekend, and we're just getting started with this group. Like, any predictions? Any predictions? Some hard lessons. Anything you guys think you can be a challenge for us,

Starting point is 00:13:49 or what do you see happening with this group? I think that's the biggest one. I think you're also gonna see people comparing themselves to each other. Sure. With that person. Too quick, you know, some people. It's not doing a for me type of deal.

Starting point is 00:14:00 I think similar challenges to what we've experienced, but maybe their expectations are different because they're on a GLP-1. Like maybe they're not going to encounter some of the same challenges but I think a lot of the challenges will be the same except for maybe that you know obviously the hunger signal. It's such a psychological battle in there. I mean it's really amounts to their goals to lose size and I don't think that although they'll say out loud they want to lose body fat I don't think that although they'll say out loud, they want to lose body fat. I don't think they really, you know, like psychologically discern whether or not it's fat or muscle or like

Starting point is 00:14:32 overall mass, which once they get to that head space and realize, you know, that preserving muscle is going to set them up so much better for a long-term lasting result. I think, you know, so much better for a long-term lasting result. I think, you know, hopefully we can kind of keep educating and bringing in speakers and keep reassuring them that this is the plan and we'll get buy-in. But yeah, it's gonna take a lot of work. I think so. So I've noticed a common thing.

Starting point is 00:14:57 It's still early for me because by no means do I think I'm a GLP-1 trainer expert guy yet, but I've gotten it between family, myself, and some friends. Now seeing these clients go through, there is a common thing that everybody knows about, I feel like on the internet here, is like the distress that you can potentially get from it. One of the things that, you know,

Starting point is 00:15:20 where it's messing with someone's digestive system, right? Where they feel upset or it's- Oh, sure. Beginning stages. Yeah, two things feel upset or it's late. Oh, sure. Beginning stages. Yeah. Two things I've noticed are very common. One, early, it's early. According to Dr. Seed, it's like weeks one through six.

Starting point is 00:15:33 And typically after that, everybody seems to be really good. The other thing that I've also noticed, too, is that if I can get that person to rotate or change some of their food choices, it makes a difference. There seems to be something going on sometimes where a client is noticing it and then having them like, you know what, let's try this food instead and then they don't notice it anymore.

Starting point is 00:15:53 So what I'm curious is that if people start to, because this is hard and you guys know this, right? Like when you find out you got gut issues for the first time, right? Or you come to the realization. Yeah, you come to the realization, right? Because so many people in my experience with clients are in, including myself actually, are in denial of it can't be that food.

Starting point is 00:16:18 You just don't, it's so regular in your diet, it's something you love, whatever, or even it falls in the category of healthy foods. And so there's all these these reasons why you just can't wrap your brain around that can't be bothering my gut or my digestive system. And so you accept you then you oh I want to put blame on this thing or your diet or your program versus like maybe this is just an even louder sign to you that these food choices that you're still continuing to have are just not ideal for you. And I'm not saying they're not healthy

Starting point is 00:16:50 because maybe for somebody else they would be healthy, but they obviously are, your body is struggling to digest them and now you notice this signal even louder than before. What if we move to this and try that? And what I've noticed is when I've got a client to do that, it makes a big difference. Makes a big difference.

Starting point is 00:17:06 That's great, yeah. There's a category of generally healthy foods and then a subcategory of foods that work for you and there's crossover but they're not exactly the same. So like avocado, very healthy, but for example, let's say you have histamine issues, it might not be a great food for you, it might actually cause gut issues.

Starting point is 00:17:26 In fact, I remember it causing an insulin spike in someone I knew with a CGM, which you would think, how would an avocado cause an insulin spike? It's got zero sugar, it's all fat and fiber. What an individual various there, right? It's because their body had a mild immune reaction. They had an intolerance to it, and so their liver dumped some sugar as a result.

Starting point is 00:17:45 And it's like, that's why I feel so crappy when I eat an avocado, but I couldn't process it because it's an avocado, it's supposed to be healthy. Yeah, you know, another factor I believe Dr. C's brought up too that was big was if they're too sedentary, it would definitely cause a lot more gastro distress. That's the other thing. So exercise is vital for them.

Starting point is 00:18:03 Moving. Yeah, moving and getting the digestive system to actually work and contract involves a lot of walking. Walking. Walking. That's another. I'm glad you pointed that out, because that was the other one that is really common.

Starting point is 00:18:17 And this is some of my prediction. It's inevitable. We have a group of 15 now, so we're going to have a little bit of everything. There's definitely people that think, oh, because I paid to be in this group and I'm taking this thing, that's going to do the work. You know what I'm saying? And so there's always going to be a percentage of people like that.

Starting point is 00:18:36 And that's another great point is you have these people that are taking that and they hear all these stories of, oh my God, my friend lost all this weight. I'm going to take it too. And it's like, but then we don't change the diet behaviors. We don't try and get up and move. Like there's these things that it's like, man, when I can get them to that light bulb, we go off and they go, okay, I'm open to changing these foods or okay, I need to start to make a habit of like, Hey, I'm not going to just sit down and then eat and then not move afterwards. I'm going to make a habit of walking for 10 to 15 minutes. A world of a difference.

Starting point is 00:19:04 Then the number of people that are seeing any sort of negative effects, it's even smaller. Because you gotta remember, when you hear those negative things, it encompasses all those people. And all the clients that we knew that have these certain blocks, mental blocks that they can't get past. And so what I'm finding is even the negative stuff

Starting point is 00:19:26 that you've heard out in the press and stuff like that, many times I can solve it or help a person by getting them to see that. Is to be able to see rotating the food, getting up and moving more, bringing back the intensity on the training, like those things have been, so this is what I'm noticing is some of the common things.

Starting point is 00:19:42 If you look at the musculatures involved with walking, like the psoas, for example, some of the other hip flexors, you have the core musculature. When you walk, it literally massages and works through the digestive system, especially the psoas, it goes through the body. So walking, and by the way, old cultures do this, they walk after meals.

Starting point is 00:20:05 It does assist in digestion. This is an old wives tale, but it's 100% true. So if you have digestive issues, especially with elimination, walks. I mean, not to mention gravity is also working with you too. So I mean, you got the massaging, the portion of actually moving and mobilizing the food, but then also just standing up is creating that gravity.

Starting point is 00:20:25 Don't astronauts have like digestives? Yes, yeah. Exactly, exactly. Artificially produce it, yeah. Like strap them in and get them walking. That's hilarious. Yeah, guys, I gotta tell you guys what my three-year-old did, almost four now,

Starting point is 00:20:39 said the other day, this kid cracks me up, we're at the park and we're hanging out and this little, cute little girl's probably right around his age starts walking by and he's playing and he looks over and he goes, look at that baby cutie. What? No he didn't.

Starting point is 00:20:54 And it was very innocent. It was very innocent. It's his first cat call. Yeah, it was very innocent. He's like, look at that baby cutie and she looked at him and smiled and he's like smiling back at her and the mom looks at me like, wow.

Starting point is 00:21:04 And I'm like, I don't know the name maybe Doug could look it up on here on the way to Chucky House, when you get past Sacramento, there's a water park to your right. You can't miss it. You always pass it. Oh, I think I've seen it. You have to see it. It's massive. It's on the side. It's got a golf course. It's got a golf land attached to it. So we went there, finally went there. It's literally like, I don't know if you guys did. Is it that like Viking themed? I think it's something like that.

Starting point is 00:21:47 It's got a castle, it's got a castle, I mean it's massive. I've seen it. It's massive. And I mean I don't know if you ever did Raging Waters as a kid or anything. I never did. Oh, so you never did any water? I never did a water slide in my life. You never did a water park?

Starting point is 00:21:58 No. What? Never. Come on. Serious? We just never took this. That was just cabanas only. No, I never was taken. taken Oh my god, and as I got old would you do it? Do you like roller coasters? Yeah, I don't mind I don't care. You don't care. You don't like them. No, I mean, they're cool. They're cool

Starting point is 00:22:12 It's not like a thing. I seek out but oh my god Did you ever go to raging waters or any of these water parks? Yeah, I did. We actually had one up in Washington. I used to go to okay Yeah, so this thing is like I was using that as a reference so I could tell you like how over the top it is. It's like that on steroids. It's huge. I mean, it's massive.

Starting point is 00:22:30 They got some really cool. They have ones where you get in a double tube and it's a drop off. You think you're going to tumble over it so straight down. And then you shoot up the other side and come back down. There's another one where you stand in a tube like this and they count down and then the floor drops out. Is that it right there?

Starting point is 00:22:47 Golfland Sunsplash Roseville. Yes. Oh, I did one of those in Florida. Yeah, so insane. Insane. I mean super cool. We went there for uh, and you did the water slides too? Yeah, I yeah, I got the chance to go for a little bit. But this is the point of the story here is that you know, I was excited. Okay, you know max max likes Slides and while he's loves water and he's got that I have that one at home Where you blow up on yeah the blow up one where he's getting crazy I don't know if I should you either he's like launching off the top and bouncing and there's like I told you guys there's a Part of me is like, yeah

Starting point is 00:23:22 So I'm like, hey, this is gonna be the a test. We're going here for a birthday party. Let's see what happens. And I'm working so hard as a dad to not show it on my face when I'm so let down or disappointed. I know there's other dads that can relate to this. But my son, we're at this crazy place. And we were at the, the kiddie slide all day. You know what I'm saying? We're all the,

Starting point is 00:23:50 like the top, like the one year olds, you know, where the diapers are sliding down and that's all he wanted to do all day around all this stuff. And I couldn't get, and my buddies, like, it's, it's not even registering for him cause he has two wild child's right. Did he's both his kids are daredevils and his three-year-old is bombing off the cliff slides like you know and he's like come on bring Max let's go and I'm like bro it's not me like you think my son just don't want to do it dude he's not interested I couldn't get

Starting point is 00:24:16 he would not go I mean literally the biggest slide we went on was you know four foot slide and there's had all this crazy stuff and couldn't get him to to go down any of this stuff, just not having it, dude, not into it, not wanting to do it. But the park was amazing. I mean, I got a chance to break off for a little bit. Katrina watched him. Why? But he had fun. Yeah, he had a good time. So that was, okay, that's my wife getting on to me, right? He had a great time. Why are you in a bad mood? I'm not in a bad mood. I'm just let down a little bit. I was hoping that he would get all into it.

Starting point is 00:24:46 I was like excited that, and we could do it together, which that was like, I thought, okay. If he does it with dad. Yeah, like I know that he has some reservation on things on his own, but typically he'll do some pretty cool stuff with me. And so I thought because all these watersides, we can ride together in a tube, and he was just like,

Starting point is 00:25:02 I mean, the biggest thing I got him to do was the lazy river, you know, I was like, come on, it it's not crazy do that. I would have never done that at his age Never it took me forever. Really? Yeah, I didn't go to roll coaster tells 15 15 was the first time I almost messed up with Everett because we went to boardwalk and you know Ethan was at the age where he'd go on anything and so we kind of were trying to test test him. This is when he was, I don't know, he might've been like eight or something, maybe seven. But it was just like seeing Ethan like do fine with everything. I'm like, Oh, he'll just, you know, he's three years. You'll always forget he's three years. He's not like, I just assumed he's like two or one gap. That's a big gap, you know, but he always like, well, is down to do whatever his brother's doing.

Starting point is 00:25:44 At that point, it's almost half their life. Yeah, but he always like well is down to do whatever his brother's yeah at that point It's almost half their life. Yeah This is intimidating as hell, you know And he did like the Big Dipper and he was freaked out but he's like, okay And then there was this one right next to us where it went upside down and did all these like crazy things and I remember Getting so angry. I'm like, come on. He's like no I remember getting so angry. I'm like, come on. He's like, no, no, no. I'm just like, why you just did this? And I didn't even, I couldn't understand. I'm like, why not? And then we're getting, we're fighting, you know,

Starting point is 00:26:13 and I, and I'm saying things and I was like, you know what, I'm, you know, it's fine. You just wait there and we'll be done. I get on there. This strap didn't even fit all the way. I couldn't click it down on my chest. And so I was upside down and like hanging and I could barely breathe. Like this whole time I'm doing this thing, it was like putting all this pressure on my chest. And I was like hating life, you know?

Starting point is 00:26:34 And just like, oh, getting sick. And then everybody like next to me was getting sick. And it was just an awful ride. I get off, I'm like, you made such a good decision. Yes. Good job. I was like, oh my God, I could have ruined roller coasters for him just by hammering him about it.

Starting point is 00:26:50 Oh my god. Did I tell you? So Doug and I went up to Concord and did the simulator. Oh, did you? Was it great? Yeah, it was freaking awesome. But I puked my brains out. On a simulator?

Starting point is 00:27:00 So yeah. Now are you inside a big... It's a... No, it's just the TVs wrap around you. So it has... But it gives you motion sickness. Yeah because it's on a D-Box. So you feel everything and I knew, it's just stupid, I was like one Katrina and I were up late the night before so I didn't get the best night's sleep and we had to leave early so I was up early so I was already like a little feeling off because I was tired so I was slamming caffeine on an empty stomach

Starting point is 00:27:23 so I had a bunch of extra caffeine on an empty stomach. Should have known better there. And then I get there and I haven't eaten yet and I'm like, well I should probably eat something. And I'm like, where do you think Doug's like, oh there's a Pete's coffee there. So I go in there, I grab a lemon cake. And I'm like, bro I'm like halfway through it and I'm like, I shouldn't finish this because I can tell my stomach's gonna be bothered just from that and none Of this is like me thinking about what I'm gonna go do I was like just how I felt for the day and

Starting point is 00:27:49 Then we get in there and we get we get to Doug and I get to racing and first of all way harder than I Thought I was gonna be way harder Like it was I actually thought Doug wasn't get pissed off and quit at first because I could hear him getting because he's we're next To each other I can hear him talking in there and I could hear him getting hella frustrated I was like, oh god God, dude, stick with it, Doug. We did, and it was good after. But it took about a good half hour of feeling it out. Really?

Starting point is 00:28:11 Oh, yeah. But man, then I'm into it. I'm feeling it out. I'm starting to get a little bit of a rhythm, actually getting lapsed around without crashing. And I'm like, I'm feeling it. And I still just didn't want to stop. And I'm like, OK, I got to go to the bathroom.

Starting point is 00:28:26 I asked the guy, is there a restroom? Yeah, yeah, there's a restroom over there. I go in there and just, blah, blah. I mean, a lot, a lot, a lot. But that was good after that. You know what I'm saying? Did you tell him? No, I told Doug after the fact.

Starting point is 00:28:38 He's like, what? Yeah, I didn't say anything. But I thought, you know when you throw that bat, your eyes are all red. Look, I've been crying. That's got to be common in one of that bat, your eyes are all red. Look, I've been crying. That's gotta be common in one of those things, right? I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure. Because you know the, what are they called?

Starting point is 00:28:51 The VR? Yeah, VR, people get motion sickness. Really bad in those. Those are even worse than this was. I didn't, you know, it didn't feel like it was that bad. I think it was a combo of all those things that got me. Have you guys seen the anti-seasickness glasses, I think they're called?

Starting point is 00:29:06 Have you seen these? They look stupid, but apparently the most effective device you could get for seasickness or motion. You haven't seen them? Look up seasickness glasses. So, okay, you'll see them and you'll see why. I'd rather take Zofran or whatever. I feel like I'd rather throw up.

Starting point is 00:29:22 But they have like, they're like glasses in the front and on the sides, and I guess they keep the horizon balanced for you, but you look like a... We gotta buy you a pair, dude. Oh my god, bro. Oh my god, it's amazing. Oh my god, it's amazing. Yeah, I'd rather have motion sickness than motion sickness. Do people actually buy these things?

Starting point is 00:29:41 They work, apparently they're super, super effective. Trust me me I get those things yeah I mean motion sickness is terrible deep sea fishing oh that was horrible that's probably the worst motion sickness yeah deep sea it's the worst feeling ever dude to get but look at those weird but apparent I read studies on them and they're supposedly super effective because they they keep the horizon balanced or something so it must have something to do with your peripheral, right? Because yes, that's what my, see how the bottom parts got like a blue ring. I guess that maintains like the horizon, dude, I'm going to buy them just for fun.

Starting point is 00:30:15 There's that liquid in there that moves. At what point does it deteriorate? Because I've noticed like, it never affected me. Like I did the craziest things you could possibly get older Yeah, like and then I Attribute it now. I was like the the pivotal moment for me was like doing that s16 flight and then after that I swear I was sensitive to almost everything like even just doing the tea cups and stuff with my kids I was just like dude. What is it? Yeah, do you know so I mean you don't have anything for this no I mean because I was the same way until

Starting point is 00:30:50 I was 26 or 27 I can't remember how it was right around there but you know for me talk about I was like a gaming nerd for a long time what stopped me really from gaming aside from like feeling like I needed to grow up and like start spending more time reading booktimes. Triggered! That was part of it. It's like becoming 30. That was part of it. But the truth is, probably one of the things that was like definitely tipped me over was my best friends were all into the, you know, first player gun games. First person shooter.

Starting point is 00:31:19 Yeah, first person shooter games. And just, and I played that my whole life. Never had any problems. Did all the halos, did all those games right growing up and call of duties and It was probably on the second or third call of duty game that came out. We just got it we were all excited we just set up in my house and Like a half hour in I'm like I got throw up and puke didn't didn't think it was the game

Starting point is 00:31:39 Of course not. I've been doing this my whole life kept coming back to it every time I come back to the game It was making me throw up and then I just couldn't do it You can train the vestibular system But there's a certain this is Jessica's teaching me this because she does vestibular I hope I'm saying right vestibular exercises with the kids. She has him hang upside down She hasn't played with things that spin, and you know when little kids do this They think it's fun. But reality what they're doing is they're training the vestibular system So if you don't do a lot of that as a kid,

Starting point is 00:32:06 it's worse as you get older. So then what might have happened, which would make more sense, is that when I started getting into my mid-20s, gaming became way more infrequent. Yeah. And so maybe- So you just weren't as trained. So you think maybe I wasn't as trained in condition and then doing that, and then something like,

Starting point is 00:32:22 we just did this right now, like I haven't done anything like that in a long time. You too intense with it versus like scaling or so I mean that I hope it's sad because then that gives me hope that like if I do practice it I'll get acclimated in and let you know who will know acrobats and Dancers will probably know that right because they spin so much and flip and stuff They probably know real well. I mean, I would think that they would be the most acclim Like, because they spin so much and flip and stuff. They probably know real well. I mean, I would think that they would be the most

Starting point is 00:32:46 acclimated though, because they've been training their whole life. That's what I mean. They probably will tell you, I don't know, I'm guessing. I'm guessing that a lot of them are like, oh yeah, you get used to it. Yeah. Get used to it. It makes sense that it's just less frequency, less introductions of spinning

Starting point is 00:33:00 and upside down kind of activities. Well, it would make sense too. That's why that would have out of nowhere kind of happened to me. And I wasn't playing as much in my mid to late 20s, obviously as I got older, I was working, doing things. And so I didn't have the same. We're very fixed now.

Starting point is 00:33:15 I don't think I did it as much. Yeah, she'll have the kids like. That's interesting. Oh wait, you can acclimate to spinning through practice. There you go. So you can. Yeah, she does these exercises with the kids where she'll send me videos

Starting point is 00:33:27 and the kids are hanging upside down and she'll say, oh, vestibular training or something like that. So apparently it's a, and if kids, I'm probably getting this wrong, but if they don't, you know some kids go from dragging themselves to walking, they never go crawling. Apparently the different stages train

Starting point is 00:33:44 the vestibular system as well, so you're less likely to have a more developed vestibular system. Did you skip one of those? And I did, I didn't crawl. Wow. I never crawled as a kid. I went from dragging to walking. I never did full crawling.

Starting point is 00:33:56 Explains a lot. Yeah. I skipped a step. Yeah. I'm ready. Or, I'm awesome already. Or I'm ready. Yeah, or. I'm awesome. Or I'm like three years old. Better walk.

Starting point is 00:34:08 I'm ready to tell people to do. Yeah, hold me up. Anyway, hey, we talked about insulin earlier and I just read a study on cannabinoids and insulin. Check this study out. Cannabinoids and insulin? So you know how they've observed that people that use cannabinoids, cannabis in particular,

Starting point is 00:34:24 but cannabinoids are also on the hemp plant, they tend to be leaner, even though... Which is weird because you think munchies, you think... It's a paradox, right? Because you think they eat more because it stimulates appetite, but they tend to be leaner and they tend to have better metabolic health. And so they can't really figure out what's going on. But they do know that there's an insulin sensitizing effect. In fact there's pharmaceutical companies that are using cannabinoids like CBD and CBC and other cannabinoids studying whether or not they could be effective

Starting point is 00:34:53 like treatments for prediabetes and stuff. What they did the study is they took individuals gave them brownies one with cannabinoids and one without and then tested them both and the ones without cannabinoids and one without, and then tested them both. And the ones without cannabinoids had a much higher insulin spike than the ones that didn't. So it has an insulin sensitizing effect.

Starting point is 00:35:14 And we know what that long term can do for your health, right? If you remain sensitive to insulin, you're less likely to develop all those metabolic diseases like diabetes, eventually heart disease disease and stuff like that. Okay with things like that do you foresee this it kind of reminds me of like the creatine wave too right of like do you see more uses just from a general health like this because you you can get this stuff at bulk too so like

Starting point is 00:35:43 I feel like as it becomes more and more popular, more and more people are doing it, we can grow in bulk. It was gonna continue to lower the price to where it could become, right now it's too expensive to become a thing in the multivitamin too, right? Because no one's gonna pay $100 and something dollars

Starting point is 00:35:59 for a multivitamin to have a little bit of cannabis in it. But I could see it getting to that point because it is something that can grow in bulk like that and be mass produced. Yeah, I think you have to be careful and wait for more data before you could say anything. But I could see somebody using like, NED for example, I could see it be useful with meals

Starting point is 00:36:21 as a way to maybe blend. In fact, I would love for listeners who have CGMs, if you also use Ned. Like beforehand, they take a few drops. Use Ned 30 minutes before you eat something and compare it to when you don't. That would be so cool to do that with it. Obviously, same foods, right?

Starting point is 00:36:37 Yes. Test it with the same foods before. And probably the best way to do it is find something, a food that you know already kind of spikes it pretty good. Or something you've already eaten, you know. So like, oh, I know Minus Slim does that for Eat That. Yeah. Let me try this first and see what happens.

Starting point is 00:36:51 Be careful which brownie you eat. Can we talk about the, I saw the, I don't know if I can spoil what they're working on or did they finish it? We had it in the studio. What? You saw it with the, uh, for the dogs. Oh yeah. I took it home with me. Is it out? I have no idea. Uh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:09 Look at their website. I didn't know the company. It's Ned. Oh Ned. Yeah. Ned's they've just, uh, they get one for animals. I was already using it with the bulldogs of consistently back in the day. So it works really well on pets. But we, what we, what I never knew was like the dosage. And so I was just kind of like. So they give you a little card that goes with it that actually gives you like 10 pound dog and then you add.

Starting point is 00:37:34 They've got it on their website. So they are selling it. Oh perfect. So is it drops, is it biscuits? It is drops, it's drops. And it's for pets. Yeah. Really effective in my experience,

Starting point is 00:37:43 I have family members that use Ned for their dogs on the 4th of July for pets. Yeah. Really effective in my experience. I have family members that use Ned for their dogs on the 4th of July. Yes. For anxiety. That's how we've always used it. Yeah. We used to, I mean, we used to use it even. It's good to know the dosage though. Yeah. Cause that's what I didn't know. I went a little ham with Arlo cause he did. Now what I didn't know and I wanted to see was if there's anything else in the formulation to go with it. Like, is there anything else? I'm sure net knowing that they probably question Find ingredients Doug. Yeah, I'm looking for the ingredients because I wouldn't be surprised if there's something else crossover from the stress blend

Starting point is 00:38:15 I'm sure very basic. It's full spectrum ham. Oh, it's got peanut butter flavor. Brilliant. Yeah That's brilliant. That is a really tasty peanut butter You're right off the track When you guys were little, did you guys ever eat a little weird, you ever eat an animal biscuit? They had like a dog treat. No, nothing. Yeah. I did. I did. When I was a kid, it was in the back. It was in on the garage. We dared each other to do it. Yeah. It's like chicken flavor. And I was a kid and it tastes nothing like chicken. Never.

Starting point is 00:38:38 I never had like the canned meaty food. Disgusting. Did you try that? There was a kid that did that. So fork is just, I threw up. If you're starving, you have to. You can survive. You can do it. You can. You can eat that. You know, what? Like where are they getting that meat? Dude, there's a whole, I thought it was what I thought was dead horses. No, bro. I don't think you're legal. I think it's like the scrap, like the worst. I could have sworn that have sworn is Lee gross what happens with dead horses Someone's using that Wow. I don't think I think the same thing that happened with dead pets. I don't think they serve them

Starting point is 00:39:11 I think that waste of food that we dog food has a very low Entry level for like it does but horse meat is not allowed the whole dark market out there Like that dude, would you look would you swine food? it out there for stuff like that dude. What'd you look, what'd you do? Swine food. So you can, so pigs can eat it. Like whales too. I knew dead horses were fed to animals.

Starting point is 00:39:31 I thought it was dogs. Oh wow. Yeah, a method for animal food. I told you. Look at it. I'm pretty sure some dog food has horse food in it. They can get away with it. I mean that would make sense.

Starting point is 00:39:42 Just Google that. Does some dog food have horse food? I like how it says a method for recovering protein. Why don't you just say give it to animals. They're trying to make it sound like less. Cause horses are special. You know what I mean? They are, they're majestic.

Starting point is 00:39:55 They are, man. Without horses, we would not be here if it wasn't. No reputable fit food companies do not use horse paint. Cause people wouldn't buy it. Yeah, well that's the thing. The consumer's can be pissed Okay So probably totally doesn't happen. So just follow the rules. Just yeah. Yeah people totally follow never happened in like a taco

Starting point is 00:40:18 Didn't happen it did not I said it didn't okay. Yeah, what was the thing Kyle Kyle? He doesn't Kyle's caught a little bit of you where he goes down the rat hole when he doesn't feel well or like that He's so he got he got sick this weekend. So he's just like trying to get to the bottom of it He told me there was like some some boars head Thing going around some boars head virus. Did you hear? Created with these viruses Boars head monkey pox. I thought Boars Isn't that like a brand of a bores head virus or something like that? I was like, that's what he might have. Bores head virus. Recall. There it is right there.

Starting point is 00:40:55 Oh, as bores head recall link to death. No, this is deli meat. There's a company called bores. Yeah, I've had bores. Deli meat. Dang. Listeria. What happened? Cause called Boar's Hand. Oh yeah, I've had Boar's Hand. It has deli meat. Dang. Listeria. What happened? Listeria, yeah. There's listeria outbreak. Oh. So maybe that's the food poisoning. That's what he was thinking.

Starting point is 00:41:12 Oh, I see what you're saying. That's what he was thinking. He went down the rabbit hole of- He thought it was an actual Boar's Hand. That's right. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. Now it makes sense. It was the Boar's Head turkey meat. That's why. It's like, we're doing eating Boar's Heads, bro. We're banging the Boars, dude. That's so random. Come on, man. turkey meat. That's why it's like we do need boars. Bang the boars. Come on, man.

Starting point is 00:41:26 So random. That's crazy. Yeah, that's what most of it was. Yeah, I guess there's a big recall. It's not always bad to break out. Is it all time? People died. Holy shit.

Starting point is 00:41:34 Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, this is so he's got a little. You know, what makes me, you know, it's sad about this is that so we give my, I'm gonna get some angry messages. Every time I talk about this, I get angry messages. But my daughter, she's almost two, we give her milk still, right?

Starting point is 00:41:49 So she'll still have milk in a bottle. But we buy unpasteurized, we buy raw, unpasteurized, un-homogenized milk. People get mad about that? Yeah, dude, because. What? Oh, it's dangerous. Go fly a kite.

Starting point is 00:42:00 It's dangerous, it's dangerous. They're healthy cows, and it's some of the best milk you can give your kid. And if you look at the data on the values. That's where all the's dangerous. They're healthy cows and it's some of the best milk you can give your kid. And if you look at the data on the values. That's where all the nutrients are. Yeah. I'm so surprised. I know, you grew up on farms.

Starting point is 00:42:11 Yes, that's why it's so surprising to me. You just push right in your face, right? Yeah, you're better off getting that stuff. He's squirting right in your face. Oh my God. Dude, well the fear, going back to that a little bit, it's coming from so many different angles. There was a video, this guy was like, and I knew it was bullshit,

Starting point is 00:42:27 but like, cause it was, they were using these spiders as like, Oh my God, these huge spiders are invading, uh, the U S and like, uh, they're eating like, all like pets and this and that. Yeah. And they were like huge. He's like, yeah, they're like at least 10 inches and he's showing all these like videos of these big spiders like on walls and all this stuff and it was like the same type of a spider you saw in Arachnophobia and I'm just like okay now this is so fake Yeah, but it was like come on like they're just like grasping at anything right now to throw at us like oh This is happening.

Starting point is 00:43:05 It's fear season. It's fear season. It's fear season right now. Speaking of fake, I saw this on the news. It was, so keep your eyes out for this. Because I know I've done this a couple of times without even thinking double check or not. There's now a way, like a lot of places,

Starting point is 00:43:21 so there's a place called Alice's that we drive to that's like highway 9 right and there's a parking lot where like you you can park and when you pull up there's on the meters you can just QR code it and then it's a website and then you could like pay for the parking right then and there so some scammers got really brilliant and made like these your codes and just put them all over meters all over I think it was San Francisco or Sacramento or something like that. I'm a little so I thought so too I was like, oh that's actually cuz I've done it and I'm like double checking the website. I'm just like this

Starting point is 00:43:55 It's here. It's on the meter. So I just QR code it I automatically put my card in pay my $25 or whatever it was for parking and move along don't think nothing of it I had to put my license plate in, it looks all- So you can very easily connect it to your own whatever, capture your information. Yeah, your QR code, you can put it to anything you want. You build a little basic website behind it and then just like capturing money.

Starting point is 00:44:14 And then you have to wonder like, if people are voluntarily giving their stuff like that, like what's the, what are the, I mean obviously you can get in trouble for that, but like what are the ramifications of that when they're voluntarily like giving you their money like that? Ramifications? Well, you're stealing and you're lying,

Starting point is 00:44:28 but how do you get caught? It's fraud. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's total fraud. Yeah, so. But how do you get caught with that? Well, that's the thing. Well, the money's traceable.

Starting point is 00:44:35 Right, but if you put it in, what I mean is that sounds like a great crime. That's a great way to get away. When you come up with a crime, that's pretty. I thought so too. That's a pre-organized idea. Pretty clever, right? Criminals have become weak these days.

Starting point is 00:44:49 Back in the day, someone in the face was so passive. The thing that's always interesting to me, and I think this is so true, right? Whoever thought of that, I guarantee you would be successful in almost anything else that he does. I wonder if it's their side hustle or if they're all in. Like the cleverness to create that, to build a website. I mean that's like so- They could have put their energy towards something legal and they would have done fine. Yes. It's so like- Slow hanging fruit though. Think about it. Dude, they definitely could have worked for the government. Thousands of people scanning those

Starting point is 00:45:23 things every day. Yeah. Quick and dirty. It is quick and dirty. And it's, but you've got to wonder like, but then because it's attached to accounts, I would think it'd be so easy to trace. Unless somehow- You would trace it to the account that's getting the money to shut it down. Unless you have it, like getting automatically wired to like an overseas type of account

Starting point is 00:45:42 or something like that. Or if there's like, if it was to multiple games. Think it out, think it out. How would we do this? By the end of this episode. Do you remember, do you remember in that, what was the, what was the movie based on the true story of the guy that was doing the bank checks, that was doing the checks all the- Catch me if you can. One of the things that, that one of the reasons why that hustle works so well was because Because every bank has like a certain zip code and so it takes a certain amount of time for them to track it from one Code zip code the other so if you put it to enough zip codes money moving to by time

Starting point is 00:46:18 They the cops could track where it's landed. You could already have removed it been gone So did you guys see the, it was like on Netflix, I think there, they covered the, the one scam where this girl got into, um, couponing and, and realized that like she could go to the plant where they actually made the coupons and then figured out like in Mexico where they actually like put it all together and did a deal with the people that were in this plant where they like create all these coupons, massive coupons to save or get one free or whatever. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:51 And would have an insider guy just would buy a stack of all these things and then flying back to the States and would sell them on a website. And so made hand over fist money off people who want to just buy the coupons direct from this website and so made like hand over fist money off people want to just buy the coupons direct from this website and like made it and so they had to like they had a lot like the FBI got involved and it was like oh wow this like total character FBI guy that like nobody was like oh you're here for like the coupons you know it's a great documentary almost feel bad arresting someone for coupons. Yeah, exactly. But that's why it was so successful because everybody overlooked it. Because it's like,

Starting point is 00:47:31 well, whatever. It's like free or it's like discounted or whatever. But if you get people actually buy those, the stacks of them, like you used to get those books. Yeah. Yeah. You'd save all this money. And so like people like shoppers got all three There's some people that are really good at that. Yeah, I've seen videos of that. Well, they're an obsession Yeah, they'll ring up like a $200 grocery bill and then through coupons will bring down to like 15 bucks I've seen some that are just ridiculous really. Yeah. Oh, you can't even believe it It's still a thing cuz that used to be like a member of the back of the days when you there's nothing worse than waiting in The grocery line and then the lady get in front

Starting point is 00:48:05 Of you opens up a first who's got like 20 Stepping out of Anymore that uses that used to happen a lot when we were kids you're in line right a check I don't like a little candy bar. You know say you're a little 50 cent candy bar It's mold lady in front of you like She's got like 50 coupons and then she writes a check. You know, like that. Nobody's got time for that anymore, dude. It doesn't happen anymore.

Starting point is 00:48:31 Like, what was that time? You never see someone write a check in a grocery store. You never see anybody pull out coupons anymore. That used to be a thing where somebody in line can really get you like that. It's funny, I was just watching. So I introduced my son to Transformers, the original cartoon, Transformers.

Starting point is 00:48:44 I'm so happy he likes it. Oh bro, he's, you know when little kids get obsessed, by the way, they're, you guys know this, they become experts so fast. He watched like three episodes, Decepticons, Autobots, Up, first of all, he called them Amazon Prime. I'm like, no, that's Optimus Prime. Oh, sorry.

Starting point is 00:49:00 Yeah, he called them Amazon Prime. It's Amazon Prime. Yeah, you know when you order a lot of shit from Amazon Prime too, though. You know what I'm saying? he makes that connection right away. But as we're watching it, it's the original cartoon. So what does it do every once in a while? Commercials?

Starting point is 00:49:12 Yes, it goes, you know, Transformers will be back after this short messages. And then it goes to the next one, we're back or something. He's like, why does it do that? Like when I was a kid, they would show commercials. What are commercials? So I had this whole conversation. Then I had this conversation, I'm like,

Starting point is 00:49:25 when I was a kid and I wanted to watch, I'm like, when I wanted to watch something, I didn't put it on the TV, I had to wait for the TV to put it on. He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, the TV decided, and I can see his wheels like, how does that work?

Starting point is 00:49:39 Like, why, that's stupid. You just get it immediately? Why wouldn't they even do that? I'm like, that's the way it worked. I had to wait for the TV to put it on, and I had to go and find it and put it on He's like looking at me like that sucks Had to wait for that and then commercial I told him when the commercials came on that's what I will that they taught us delayed Gradification, you know, they just hated it. Totally Saturday morning was the only time you could watch Transformers

Starting point is 00:50:04 There was no other time to watch transformers I remember every commercial. Yeah, it's just forever burned in here did we memorize the show the end of time You know what though? They got more effective with advertising you would think that they would have lost something but they just got they just got better more sophisticated way more Sophisticated way smarter than ever before was better when you knew Oh commercials coming on now they're really getting sold stuff you don't even know it. My phone right now, I'm probably going to go to Amazon earlier later and be Transformers ahead of that? No. That's wild to me right now is how that's happening and that's there's definitely there's definitely utilizing that for

Starting point is 00:50:38 sure because there's been times where we're having a conversation in here and then like and something we've never talked about or whatever and then all sudden I'm getting ads on it I'm like okay yeah crazy something all this all these electronics in here there's something that's picking up all our stuff. That's why you should talk nicely to the machines because they won't need to. I've said that since they won't do it. When the mutiny starts. I remember you, you were not. You're dead you're dead not you. So I want to I wanted just to pay a little homage to this and I don't want to talk too much,

Starting point is 00:51:05 it's difficult to talk about, but my grandmother was one of the most special people in my life, passed away last week. And I just wanted to say something nice about her because she was such a wonderful, she was literally the most selfless, other focused person and she did it with joy. She always did it with joy and happiness,

Starting point is 00:51:23 never resentful, never, and and she shaped she really was the The person that shaped the family Through everything and so we got to be with her and it was such an it was incredible my grandmother she was 88 so my grandfather died two years ago and You know since then she's been kind of sick and stuff. So she was in the hospital and She got to have her whole family around her So I mean the hospital room at any given moment probably had 30 or 40 people. Wow.

Starting point is 00:51:49 I mean just so many people were in there. The nurses couldn't get through. People around her praying, holding hands. My aunts were singing to her. They were playing opera music for her. Her house had just sold that morning and she said, I do not want to go until my house is sold. So I found out the date.

Starting point is 00:52:06 So weird when stuff like this happens dude. So this house, my grandparents both bought San Jose in 1966 for $27,000. They both built it. All the trees, everything was theirs. They put everything up. That house sold $1.5 million, so obviously many years later, sells that morning, she's in the hospital, she waits for all her kids to get there.

Starting point is 00:52:29 She had to wait for her son to drive down from Sacramento, so two and a half hours, she's in the state, she's not going, everybody's around her, and the sun sets, and then she goes. That's crazy. Powerful thing. Yeah, it was amazing. Wonderful woman, so we're all gonna be with her and just kind of remember her but man

Starting point is 00:52:47 This is a this was a tough one. I didn't know I didn't think you were gonna share or talk about it all I did a lot of crying bro. I let it all out. I could shut it off. I thought it was really cool I don't know if you know this or not. But so obviously we had flowers and stuff sent right? Yeah, I appreciate it and Jerry is obviously responsible for doing the leg actual leg work, right? And I didn't know this but she actually like researched like Italian flowers. So like I don't know if you knew that or not, but like the bouquet you guys got. Yeah Yeah, it was like special. I didn't tell her that I didn't we just made sure that like make sure you get us something really nice That's why we got tomato plants.

Starting point is 00:53:22 A lot of basil. I found that afterwards so shout out to Jerry for you know going the extra mile. That's why we got tomato plants. I was like, no. I'm just like. A lot of basil in there. They sent us a bunch of basil. But I found that afterwards, so shout out to Jerry for going the extra mile. We were in there and all the people that couldn't be there were faced, we had at least five phones on FaceTime with family members from all over the country

Starting point is 00:53:38 and the world who wanted to be with her during this moment. My son, my three year old sends a message, sends voice messages to her that I got to be with her during this moment. My son, my three-year-old sends a message, sends voice messages to her that I got to play in her ear while she was going. It was pretty incredible. You know, it's so difficult in a time like that when it's really sad, but it's also such a happy,

Starting point is 00:54:01 positive thing when people show up for a person like that. Because it speaks volumes about that person. And so it's obviously when you're in it and you're a part of it, you are feeling sadness and mourning and those types of feelings. But from an outside perspective person who's not feeling the same emotions you are, it's such a cool thing to see when people show up like that for a person because it's such a testament to the life that they led, the lives they touched.

Starting point is 00:54:31 I mean, her and my grandfather definitely started a legacy here, but my grandmother was, and I just recently became a Christian, so I didn't understand just how strong of an impact her faith played, but she was such a dev faith played, but she was such a devout Catholic and she was so, she literally, when you read about the fruits of the Holy

Starting point is 00:54:51 Spirit, she bore that. I know that culture, I know that generation, you do what you're supposed to, you do your duty, but my grandmother never complained, she was never resentful, not because she wasn't supposed to. She was literally joyful her whole life serving others, her children, her family, her husband. And it's so obvious to me now, my mom's family is so special, they really are. They're just so close and so wonderful. I've never met anybody like them before. And everybody that marries into the family says the same thing. And I know why,

Starting point is 00:55:21 it was because of my grandmother. it's and while she was there remember You know her brother came in and as she was going he said you you gave my son Her his son was trying to have a child that were having trouble conceiving And she did the rosary and prayed for them and then they got pregnant with a son She knew my wife was pregnant with Dalia before we did we were visiting and she goes Somebody's having a baby and my wife's like, not me. She's like, I think it's a girl, it's gonna look a lot like Sal.

Starting point is 00:55:47 My wife came home, she's like, your grandma, she's saying that thing again, but I'm not. Week later we find out she's pregnant. Sure enough, my daughter looks just like me. Stuff like that all the time with her. So special woman, total special woman. Doug, I wanted to do something a little bit different for this shout out.

Starting point is 00:56:01 something a little bit different for the shout out. I'd like to list off all the free things that we provide as far as like all the free forums, the mind pump free.com, the Instagram trainer page. Like, can we like give like a short little rundown of and what they're each for, you know, because we've gotten to a point now where we have so much content that we try and provide for free that I want people to understand where all those resources are and then what they're each for, right? Because you have things like Holistic Health on Facebook, which is like our Dr. Cabral's team and what's going on over there.

Starting point is 00:56:38 We have the Hormones one, which is transcending all them or helping us that. We have the mind pump trainers IG we have the Growth secrets for the Facebook which is for trainers. They're trying to scale their business We obviously have mind pump free comm we have the three YouTube channels that we have like Listing all those off what they're all for a day missing. I try to What I would I get there we got some true just things only fans. Yeah, I'm trying to, what'd I get there? We got- Justin's OnlyFans. Yeah, I got that, yeah. I got the Gross Secrets one in there already.

Starting point is 00:57:07 That's not free, dude. Oh, my bad. Yeah, we're talking about free. You know, and part of the reason why I wanted to bring that up is just because I think that, you know, we get people sometimes that come into the audience, or they come into the business late and don't realize how many things that we produce

Starting point is 00:57:24 on a regular basis that is valuable and free and to always take advantage of that stuff first. I also wanted to mention, if I have to find this, is that Dr. Cabral's having an event in Florida on October 23rd through the 25th. Is this the one that Sal's speaking at? Sal is speaking at it. Yeah, yeah.

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Starting point is 00:58:18 How you doing, Nile? How can we help you? How you doing, guys? First, just wanna say, super stoked to be on this call. You guys have led my path for some time. I've followed you since, I mean, I think I've been listening to you from the very beginning. So it's been a journey. I'm now a new father, so I can resonate with what a lot of you guys are saying. It's only six months.

Starting point is 00:58:45 Congrats. Uh, we'll have watched your guys' journey through this and, uh, and also had my own journey at the same time. Good for you, man. All right. Cool. Um, thank you. Um, a little background. I was a personal trainer back in the day, CrossFit coach, did some coaching, CSTS.

Starting point is 00:59:12 I did a bunch of coaching with group settings and then personal training. And then I was listening to you guys a lot and I wanted to somehow, I changed professions and I wanted to somehow monetize and get into the fitness and health industry and find a way that I can give back to more people and so I actually became an acupuncturist. And I now incorporate mobility training with acupuncture to kind of look at the functional range assessments

Starting point is 00:59:42 and functional range systems and training while we can like, you know, look at how things aren't working and then we can needle them and then make them fire to then, uh, kind of get a really good for patients and, and, uh, um, functional range movement and stuff. Great. That's a cool combo. Very cool. I know, Sal, you had, you had a weird, um, weird experience with an acupuncturist back in the day. I was just listening to that episode. I don't do anything like that. Thank God. I've had good experiences too. That was, I don't know what the hell. That one time you got needled.

Starting point is 01:00:18 Anyways. Justin, you, I ruined the flow. Continue. So what I'm calling about is I sent you guys an email as well with some pre and post pictures and just where I was in 2017 and where I kind of am now and some pictures in between. And so in 2017, I was diagnosed with a long thoracic nerve palsy, which creates a winging scapula. So I don't know if you guys have heard of that before. I'm familiar. But yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:58 Yeah. So of course, creating the lat and the serratus not firing and then creating like this imbalance Within the the body and so I had a choice to make do I continue to train or do I take like a big? break and not train and not Continue with my programming and I decided to keep training because again for me training is a little bit of medicine and I really love Movement and stuff so I trained in which created some imbalances and some asymmetry. And so, you know, from right to left, my Latin serratus took a long time and it's still recovering.

Starting point is 01:01:35 And what's happened now is I have an imbalance and a bit of a posterior anterior left to right twisting that's happening. And so I get like this T spine, T three to five is kind of my crux. And anytime I'm, you know, I feel like I'm getting really gains and I'm building the size that I want, I hit this injury and it's always an imbalance in that. So I'm just trying to figure out still to this day, you know, like five years later,

Starting point is 01:02:08 trying to figure out how to create that symmetry between left and right, how to balance that back out. Okay, so depending on where you're at with it and how it happened, that's gonna really make a big difference on how I can answer this. So I'm assuming it's not congenital, in other words you weren't born with it. Was this due to traumatic injury or virus? Do you know what caused this to happen? So I'm glad that you asked that because this is a fun part of it is that I mean

Starting point is 01:02:41 it was stress. I had a stressful conversation with an ex, my ex, and after the conversation, it was pretty intense about life purposes and life path. And I don't think I was being in my truth and being honest with myself and being honest with her. And I, after the conversation, went outside and all of a sudden I'm just like, ah, just hold my laugh, just hold. And I all of a sudden just shut down and then literally 30 minutes later,

Starting point is 01:03:12 I couldn't lift my arm. And for about two weeks, I couldn't like lift my arm up. And it took seeing a lot of different practitioners to find out that like when I lift, when I finally lifted my arms overhead, my whole shoulder blade just came off. Wow. I saw endocrinologists about this and trying to track the nerve.

Starting point is 01:03:31 All that and they still didn't know what was going on. Okay so is the diagnosis that the nerve... I mean if you're diagnosed with Palsy of this nerve this thoracic nerve. I mean that essentially says that the nerve function is It really ever gonna come back. Is that the official diagnosis that the nerve is gone dead? No, the nerve is starting to regrow it's starting to come back and so I have gained some function But there's still like this like okay Gives me a work on it. Okay. Okay. So this is interesting because typically when you're dealing with This situation You are looking at developing You know compensation patterns which you know when we talk about compensation or patterns with movement patterns

Starting point is 01:04:23 Typically, it's in it's in a bad context, but they exist for a reason. Let's just say you had a severe injury, this nerve was severed, never going to come back. You need compensatory patterns to be able to continue to function. It's not in the context of what I just said, a bad thing to train with those compensations because that's just the way you're going to move now. Yeah, for the rest of your life. And so you need to be able to compensate and you need to be able to do things without the

Starting point is 01:04:50 involvement of the serratus anterior and the trapezius and the main muscles that tend to be affected by this thoracic nerve. Now by the way, have you looked into working with a specialist on, because they can do some procedures where they'll bring over another nerve or try to connect things, but you're saying it's connecting back or it seems to be reconnecting? Yeah, I did look into that and the procedures for that was kind of daunting and I didn't really want to go there yet. Surgery is kind of like the last step that I'd like to take and so a lot of physio work, you know, trying to do these unilateral movements and focus on

Starting point is 01:05:35 recruiting. Now there's no impingement of this nerve, right? Did you get an MRI and make sure there's no rib impingement or something that's still, you know, shutting it off. Yeah. Yeah. I could do that. Okay. Okay. Uh, it's actually kind of cool that you're an acupuncturist because in my

Starting point is 01:05:54 experience working with nerve related issues, uh, and I'll get to the exercise portion, but in working with nerve related issues, the most success I ever had was working with an acupuncturist. Years ago I had an acupuncturist in my studio. This is the good experience, not the bad one. I had an acupuncturist in my studio and she would explain things from an Eastern medicine perspective using terminology like chi, energy flow, yin, yang, that kind of stuff. I started to try to relate it to my understanding of Western explanations of what's going on.

Starting point is 01:06:33 To me, it seems without trying to discredit the Eastern explanation of chi, to me it looks like you're working with a nervous system when you're doing acupuncture. to me it looks like you're working with a nervous system when you're doing acupuncture. And so I've had clients with nerve damage or nerve related issues where, you know, paresthesia for example, or numbness, or you know, and we would work in combination with acupuncture and what we would do

Starting point is 01:06:59 is we would do acupuncture before and after exercise. And I saw results doing that with clients would do acupuncture before and after exercise. And I saw results doing that with clients that I had never seen before. Now in some cases we made progress but were never able to, just with the time that we had, which I'm thinking that was probably a two year process, made tremendous progress but we were never able to go like full function.

Starting point is 01:07:22 And in another case, we were able to get full function back. And in another case, uh, we were able to get full function back. Um, and in other areas, they weren't so severe, but we saw some good, some tremendous progress. So I would do acupuncture before and after workouts, focusing on correctional exercise here. And then the other thing is when we're trying to work on connection, frequency is key. Nothing's going to be a. Intensity is your enemy here because if you push hard, you're going to go

Starting point is 01:07:48 into your, your compensation patterns. Okay. If you try to do anything with any type of intensity, the, this nerve signal that's weak, your body's going to just go to it, what it knows, and you're going to strengthen your imbalances. So really it's about light, connection, and movement. Anything above and beyond that is gonna be wrong. So I would do very, very frequent,

Starting point is 01:08:12 like literally every hour, trying to activate, find a correctional exercise movement. Maybe it has to do with scapular mobility. Maybe it's wall circles. But try to find something where you can see it turning on and you can start to make things happen and do it throughout the entire day at a low intensity. And then when you do your workouts, do acupuncture before and after. And I'm not an expert in acupuncture, you're an acupuncturist, but the kind of acupuncture that I was told that this

Starting point is 01:08:42 individual was doing had to do with improving energy flow through the area that we were targeting. And again, we saw some pretty significant results. The last thing I would say, and this is more new, would be to look at peptides that help with nerve function and healing. Off the top of my head, I think BPC 157 probably falls in that category, but I do believe there are other peptides that are more specific to the nervous system

Starting point is 01:09:13 that I'm not super familiar with. What I would recommend you do is go through our partners at MP Hormones, let them know exactly what's going on and see what would be recommended to you. But that would be the best, in my opinion, best road of action. You had mentioned functional range conditioning, right? What does your mobility rituals and drills look like? What are you already doing for this? So I'll touch on the peptides first too. I did use TB 500 and BP 157 to get like a big jump from where

Starting point is 01:09:48 I was. I don't know if you saw the pictures, but like my scapula is just like white right out to kind of where I am now. So that was really helpful. For my mobility practices, you know, controlled articular rotations, kind of running through head to toe, and then isolating certain joints, whatever I'm looking for in doing pales and rails drills. So.

Starting point is 01:10:13 Awesome. Are you doing STEM? When you practice acupuncture, do you use STEM at the same time? Do I stand? So I just broke up a little bit. No, do you use eSTEM? Do you do acupuncture with eSTEM? Do I stand? Sorry. No, no, no. No, do you use East end? Do you do acupuncture with East end stimulation, electric stimulation? Yes, I do. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. Have you tried that? Have you tried doing acupuncture with

Starting point is 01:10:38 stem to the target areas before and after workouts? Not before and after workouts, but, you know, recovery wise, once or twice a week, I'm lucky that my wife is also an acupuncturist and she, um, is like 13 years in the game. So she's got a lot of skills. So, um, very big, uh, help in that movement going forward, but not pre and post, which is really intriguing. It's a long, you know, if your workout's an hour, you're adding another 45 minutes, 30 minutes to it,

Starting point is 01:11:15 so you might need to shorten your workout. But the idea was, and the acupuncturist that I worked with, her and I worked together and came up with this protocol. I don't even know if this is one that people normally use, but the idea was to open, now she said if we can open the channels of energy, again she spoke in Eastern medicine terminology, if we can start to open up those channels of energy

Starting point is 01:11:37 and then you do your exercise, you're more likely to move the right way, and then when I come back and work on them again, we'll maintain that flow of cheat. And my explanation was you're improving connection with acupuncture, then we utilize that new connection, and then we strengthen that connection. And it was before and after every single time

Starting point is 01:11:57 I trained these individuals, and I trained these people two or three days a week, so two or three days a week. It was acupuncture, exercise, acupuncture. This is just, um, I, I feel like he's doing a lot of the right things. You have your, your background with acupuncture and FRC already, you're qualified as qualified or better qualified than I am to even help you in this situation. I, what I see as the challenge or is that you're progressing.

Starting point is 01:12:26 Everything that you've talked about, you've continued to improve. Where you're having this setback, and I'm just guessing by looking at your physique, is you end up pushing the muscle. You end up pushing wanting to be more of a jacked, big buff guy when you kind of need to stay on this course of rehabilitating yourself and being more focused on movement because you've got plenty of muscle and it sounds like that you want more of that and understandably I get it but I think that's kind of what's keeping you from getting better faster because you're going in the right direction, you're doing a lot of the right things.

Starting point is 01:13:01 The thing that isn't supporting you very much is probably you know front squatting or back squatting you know two, three hundred plus pounds and really pushing the low rep and heavy load because that's what's causing you to compensate a little bit and I think that's what might be sitting with that's just from what I'm getting right now because it sounds like he's doing a lot of the things. Yeah that I mean Adam's got a great point because you have a compensatory pattern with it and you train with any kind of, that's, I mean, Adam's got a great point because, um, you have a, a, a, a compensatory pattern with it and you train with any kind of intensity. That's what's going to take over. And what we're trying to do is create a new neural pathway.

Starting point is 01:13:34 And we have a unique challenge here where you have a nerve that is turned off or partially turned off and we need to work with that nerve. We need to not work around it. So it may, some patience is here. Now, now there's two scenarios here. One is you continue to improve and it's going to take some time. Almost nothing takes as long as a nerve rehab. Like I, there's nothing that is, that takes longer than that. Okay? So it takes a long time. Frequency, yeah. In my experience. So you're gonna have some patience there. The second thing is that you go so far and then that's it.

Starting point is 01:14:11 And that's just the mystery. That's just the mystery with the nervous system is that, you know, if a nerve is damaged, sometimes you can get some of it back and then never the rest. And so at that point, you'll make a decision, okay, well this is what I'm working with. But based off of what you're saying

Starting point is 01:14:26 in terms of your improvement, it sounds hopeful, you know? Sounds pretty, typically when someone's diagnosed with long thoracic nerve palsy, it's like you're not coming, yeah, it's a wrap, you're not gonna come back much. You'll get back a little bit and that's it. But the fact that you're saying the nerve

Starting point is 01:14:44 seems to be regrowing, you seem to be getting more connection, that's pretty positive. And so I would slow way down because you go above and beyond a particular intensity. You're just working around it now. Cool. Yeah, that's all really great. I mean, Adam, you're right on point. One of my goals is kind of gain a lot of lean mass and get bigger so that I can then sit at around 200 but lean and shredded. Yeah, I mean. You're pretty jacked, bro.

Starting point is 01:15:20 You're pretty jacked already. I've seen you, I'm looking at your pictures. I think what's happening, because you're progressing. And it's slow, and probably slower than you would like, but you're doing a lot of the... I mean, the direction you... Your background with FRC and acupuncture is already where I think all of us would push you in that direction. So it sounds like between your experience, your wife's background, you've got the tools, you're doing the right work. All of us would push you in that direction. So it sounds like between your experience,

Starting point is 01:15:45 your wife's background, you've got the tools, you're doing the right work. Yeah, the best tools that you have in your tool belt are acupuncture and correctional exercise. Yeah, FRC stuff. And it would be done very frequently, both of them. I would do as much acupuncture as your body can handle because I can't think of another natural method that's better for the nervous system.

Starting point is 01:16:08 I know I'm preaching to the choir. And then maybe focus a little more on unilateral training. I don't know what your programming has been, you know, for a while, but like maybe load, you know, isn't as intense as you've been going. But like our symmetry program, I would probably, you know, highlight as an option for you to go in conjunction with your FRC. And really the focus right now is the mobility and getting everything reestablished. The one other thing that we haven't talked about, maybe kind of the elephant in the room, is how this all happened.

Starting point is 01:16:39 And actually, I don't know how much therapy you've done in that direction too. So I don't know if you've done anything like a ketamine therapy type of deal, or you've done in that direction too. So I don't know if you've done anything like you know like a ketamine therapy type of deal or you've gone down that rabbit hole of trying to deal with the original kind of trauma that caused this. Have you done anything in that direction? I have. Yep. I've done some ketamine. I've done senanga and combo. Yeah, bro. You're doing a lot of the right things. I think it's just a matter of time and being patient and not allowing the side of you that wants to be the big jack guy to steer

Starting point is 01:17:20 your decisions in your training. I think that's the hardest thing. And if you were my client, and I feel like that's all I'd be, because you're doing a lot of the right stuff, bro. I mean, you obviously know, you're obviously a smart guy. You've obviously been in this space for long enough to know kind of the right things. And I think you're doing the right things. I know we've all given you little tips

Starting point is 01:17:37 of like some extra stuff you can do, but it's just, I think it's just time. Even if you just do exactly what you're doing right now and just keep riding it out. Yeah, minus the trying to, you think it's just time. Even if you just do exactly what you're doing right now and just keep riding it out. Yeah, minus the trying to load like crazy. Yeah, calm down a little bit on that. And you've ruled out other causes, right? Like you've ruled out viral injury,

Starting point is 01:18:00 impingement, what did the damage look like when they looked at it? You know I have ruled out a lot of those and the endocrinologist that when he checked it and tested it there was And the MRIs like there was no damage to it. It's which is the now the mystery to it all like how did it just completely shut down? Um, um, a virus, uh, is something that they've talked about just to kind of got infected. And I mean, talking about Chinese medicine and, um, the channels that that comes across, like it's right through the armpit, which is the heart channel that runs through there. And then prior to see the conversation, I was flying in a wind

Starting point is 01:18:46 tunnel because I, uh, skydived quite a bit in the past. And, uh, so the wind getting on the back of the neck creates an API that can cause, you know, pathogenic factors that come into the, into the body. So that's all like, uh, you know, Eastern medicine jargon, but you know, it's, it's the, it's the, yeah, crazy mystery that I'm still trying to unpack for sure. Nile, one other place to look, and I'm not recommending this, I'm not a doctor, I'm just telling you, look into this. Look at the, the, the neural effect of GLP-1 microdosing and its anti-inflammatory kind of, you know, healing effect on the nervous system, and its anti-inflammatory kind of healing effect on the nervous system, terzepatite in particular.

Starting point is 01:19:27 Just read up on it, see if you find anything. I'll throw in another fun fact that I learned during the recovery process of the four years until I found this is I was working with an atropat doctor and doing poly-MVA, ozone IVs, all the IVs, trying to sort it out. This is when I had the peptides as well. I found out that I had extremely low testosterone,

Starting point is 01:19:56 like testosterone of an ADO, 2.5 or whatever. And that was pretty, that kind of blew us all away. Um, and so then, uh, the journey of trying to figure out that and kind of go on natural waste. Are you on TRT now? Uh, so again, great question. I was on TRT and then with my ex and then we split up and then I'm with my new, my wife now,

Starting point is 01:20:29 we wanted to have a kid and I was like, shit, I don't have any sperm. So I switched off TRT and went on Clomophene and of course the Clomophene in conjunction with acupuncture therapies and herbs, I was able to build you know, build back. Oh, good. You said, I, I, the child. Well, it's good. Well, good deal. Yeah. I think you're on the right path, brother, but I think it's going to take some time.

Starting point is 01:20:53 Now are you in our four? Are you in our private forum too? Uh, Rob, the guy, Rob Reed, he, uh, he put me in when I had a, about the program. So I've been on there. So the only other person I feel that when our circle that could potentially add a little bit, but even I feel like you're doing a lot is Dr. Brink. So if you haven't said hi to him in the forum, shoot him a message. I mean, he's one of the most brilliant movement specialists I've ever worked with. So he's in there.

Starting point is 01:21:25 And maybe he has a few things to add that we haven't already covered. We'll see you in the forum, dude. Yeah. And I just, when I talked to Rob, I picked up the symmetry program, because I wanted to try that out and try to balance the asymmetries.

Starting point is 01:21:44 And I've kind of had a little dabble in what it looks like and the time timeline and stuff so I'm super pumped to get into that. We're just about to leave to Italy for a little three-week vacation so then I'm gonna start it when I come back and take that three weeks and just stay in touch with us stay in touch with us in the forum then Niall hit us up when you get back and then we'll keep an eye on you between Dr. Brink and us and see what we can do. I have one last question. If, after symmetry, would advanced performance or perhaps advanced performance be a good one to jump into?

Starting point is 01:22:19 Yeah, or regular performance. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, you'd do all of that. Yep. Great. All right, Nile. Yeah, you do all that. Yep. All right, now we'll see you in the forum, brother. All right. Appreciate you guys' time.

Starting point is 01:22:32 Thanks so much. Keep doing what you're doing, man. I appreciate you guys. Thank you. I think it was a pathogen. I think. I strongly think there was a viral infection that was not identified.

Starting point is 01:22:47 If there was no damage to the nerve, no impingement, sounds like an attack on his nervous system through a pathogen. You don't think that there was an underlying issue that the amount of stress he was under just sort of exacerbated it? Yeah, the pathogen. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:01 I think he's doing the right things, but he's driving to build so much. I mean you saw his pictures. Oh no, you're right. He's jacked and I saw him doing front squats and stuff and he's pushing the limits. He's pushing, exceeding it. Yeah, so I bet he just every time he takes probably three steps forward he takes four back because of the desire. Overreaching. Yeah, if he just stays on this FRC path and acupuncture. But you know, pathogenic attacks on the nervous system can last a long time.

Starting point is 01:23:31 You know, people will get like the loose function on one side of their face. Yeah, yeah. It could take a long time sometimes for that to come back. Sometimes it never comes back. And it sounds like that's what it was, and the stress just, you know, just exacerbated it. The stress is, yeah, usually the trigger, yeah. Our next caller is Rebecca from Texas. Hey Rebecca, you know, just exactly. Yeah, the stress is usually the trigger, yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:45 Our next caller is Rebecca from Texas. Hey, Rebecca, good to see you again. Hey, good to see you. How you doing? How you doing? It's been a minute, huh? How you all doing? Good, awesome.

Starting point is 01:23:55 We're doing good. How can we help you? Okay, so I'm going to read my question because I'm a little nervous. I don't know why. All right, so I've listened to the show for about three plus years now. I visited the studio twice, avid listener, trainer. I currently started a new job with the neurological audience.

Starting point is 01:24:16 I'm currently working on personal goals and doing MAPS performance. But since my job includes lifting people all day long, paraplegic, quadriplegic, I'm not sure where my volume and training should be. Currently my back, my knees, my traps are all taking the load and my body isn't happy. I want to progress personally and I also want to be prepared for my job as well, giving my body an ample amount of rest that that needs and so I'm just kind of lost here.

Starting point is 01:24:49 Great question and we've seen you a couple times Rebecca you've been pretty consistent with your workouts correct? Yes I'm very consistent. Okay so here's here's let me I'll paint the picture right but consistent with your workouts volume has been consistent everything everything's going great, and then you just added new volume and new activity to what you're already doing. All you have to do is reduce the volume. All you gotta do is account for it, right?

Starting point is 01:25:15 You just gotta reduce the volume and intensity of your workouts to balance things out. And the places I would focus on are the places that you're feeling. I would do less intensity on my back workouts, less intensity on maybe some of my leg workouts, depending on how your knee feels until you find that nice balance and then eventually what happens is your body starts to adjust. A weird thing happens with daily activity over long periods of time and

Starting point is 01:25:40 it takes a long time is that people's ability to adapt and recover from actually starts to improve over time. But you got to account for it in your workout. So I would just reduce volume and intensity on those areas that you're noticing are, are, are struggling to recover. And the easiest way is just to back off sets. That's it. Okay. Well, my thing is, okay, so I'm lifting like 200 pound guys and I have to support their body weight,

Starting point is 01:26:07 so I'm like, wouldn't I try to focus more on strengthening, like the posterior chain? I'm trying to focus on- You're doing that in your work. You're doing that in your work, and you've been working out- That's the load. And you've been working out for so long,

Starting point is 01:26:20 so consistently that you're doing great. What'll happen is if you overdo the volume on your posterior chain you're gonna get weaker and you'll find it more difficult to lift these people. So you got to reduce the volume on your deadlifts, reduce the volumes on your bent over rows, your stiff-legged deadlifts because you're getting that volume through your work. Otherwise you're gonna over train those areas. Otherwise you're going to over train those areas. Okay. Um,

Starting point is 01:26:49 I'm doing performance to do a Spartan race. Yeah. So will this affect like what I'm trying to my goal, my personal goal? Like should I just call it all off and kind of focus on my job? Cause ever since I submitted this question, I've tried to client myself. So my recovery, I'm trying to focus on recovery, my sleep is crap, my nutrition has gotten better, but yeah, there's just a lot going on.

Starting point is 01:27:19 My body's a complete mess. You gotta back way off. It sounds like not the best time to sign up for his partner. You got to back way off and then get your sleep in order. What's wrong with your sleep? It's a chronic thing. I'm also a mom of a five-year-old and a two-year-old. I've tried melatonin from the VA. I've tried weed but I've got to attach to it so I had to back off of it. I tried the net oil. It wasn't strong enough.

Starting point is 01:27:47 So I did that in conjunction with magnesium, but the magnesium is with water. So it makes me go to the bathroom. And then I even tried like brain FM and I wake up in the middle of the night. I'll be up for hours. And sometimes I'll even not be able to sleep until like 4 a.m. and I'm just my mind is just going going going and I just can't sleep you know one of the most common Rebecca you know one of the most common symptoms of overtraining is no sleep insomnia yeah and I remember you now I remember your background if I recall you tend to overdo it Is that correct say that again I said I remember having conversations with you before I think you have a tendency to overdo it

Starting point is 01:28:36 If I'm not mistaken I'm a very driven person It's kind of like a blessing and a curse, but I just, I just go, go, go because I feel like I'm racing against time. I feel like someone's working out working me. I feel like clients are out there waiting for me. I just, yeah, I recovery is my weak point. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe, maybe map 15. That's your program., for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe MAPS 15. MAPS 15, yeah. That's a better program. That's your program, MAPS 15.

Starting point is 01:29:08 You're not gonna listen to us. Go away less volume, yeah. I know you don't wanna listen to us, but I think that's what you need to do. It'll be structured. By the way, I'm gonna tell you something right now. Nobody has ever won a race against time. No.

Starting point is 01:29:17 You will lose. Time is undefeated. It's undefeated. Yeah, so no, no, no, you gotta go way, you gotta scale way back. I remember now having some conversations with you, Rebecca. This is a chronic issue for you and Your insomnia is likely due to the fact that you're over trained When can I

Starting point is 01:29:36 Go back to why I mean if how about you do mass 15 and you enjoy the fuel See how you feel and then maybe that's a sign that that's where you're supposed to be with everything you got going on in your life. I mean you got two little kids, you got a new job that's physically taxing and demanding. In addition to that you're trying to run Spartan while you're also not getting good sleep. It can be every day so it's like you're being productive, you're benefiting your body. Think of it more as like you're being productive by like reinforcing your body, allowing it to fully recover. You're doing yourself a disservice by just adding a bunch of extra volume. Yeah, you got to take care of yourself the way you take care of your kids, Rebecca. Okay, got it. That's hard to hear.

Starting point is 01:30:24 Yeah, I didn't even slow down. what are you afraid of when you win is a good Rebecca what are you afraid of when you sit still and quiet? What makes you what's so what's so scary about that for you? It's not I'm except heard this in the past few recent episodes it I don't think it's, I feel like I'm scared of something. It just feels like something can be getting done. Like I could be either making content, I can be doing something for my clients, I could be laundry, dishes, calories, freaking,

Starting point is 01:31:00 I could be doing something and it just feel like if I sit, it feels time wasted. That's what it feels like to me. But sometimes the thing that needs to be done is you got to let your body and your mind recover so you can do all the other important stuff. So there's something you're afraid of when you sit still. Maybe it's your own thoughts. Maybe it's a fear of failing. Maybe it's a fear of being inadequate, it's a fear of being inadequate not being enough I don't know, but you're running yourself into the ground and it's just gonna get worse if you don't take this advice and And take a step back. Your sleep is suffering. You're starting to hurt

Starting point is 01:31:37 I think if you took a step back you would feel a ten times better. You're still gonna be challenged mentally by it I'm not gonna lie, but physically you'll start to feel a lot better. And then when do you go back? I don't know. I mean you start to feel good. You could start messing with increasing activity and stuff, but we're just talking about reducing your workouts. I'm not telling you to do the dishes and stuff, but I'm saying like your workouts. Let's do Math 15 for now. See what happens. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm to stick with that. Stick with that and then follow up with us in the form.

Starting point is 01:32:09 I'm going to, do you have maps 15? Can we send that to you? I have maps 15. I'm in the forum. I have maps on a ball. I have a ball. I don't have maps strong. You don't need maps. I would send it to you if I'm afraid you do it. You follow, you follow. How about maps PED? Maps 15. You follow maps it to you if I'm afraid you do it. You follow, you follow. How about MAPS PED? MAPS 15, you follow MAPS 15,

Starting point is 01:32:27 check back with us in about a month, okay? Comment and leave us a message in the forum, let us know how things are going. And then maybe when you start feeling really good, we can talk about what else you could potentially do, but for now, do that. Awesome, okay. I just wanna, like the normal thank you guys. Like I've been a trainer for

Starting point is 01:32:49 about four years now. I lasted in a big box gym for maybe one paycheck. And I just knew it. I wasn't meant to be there. If it wasn't for you guys training for the the training forum for Miss Anne for all the whole team Jerry Kyle, everything they all do. Like I would not be where I'm at today. Like I'm looking for land for commercial jam. I'm looking for more things to to progress my business. And you guys have like progressing five to 10 years as a trainer. I would not be today as a

Starting point is 01:33:26 trainer if it was not for you guys. I just want to thank you very much. Thank you so much Rebecca. We love you. Appreciate you shouting out all the team members too. Yeah we couldn't do that without all them. For sure. Thank you. Yeah so thanks again guys. Thanks Rebecca. Appreciate it. We'll see you in the forum. I remember her too. So do I, she's a sweetheart. Super, super awesome young lady. Super motivated too.

Starting point is 01:33:55 Did she, didn't, did she have like a military background? She did, right? Yeah, okay, I totally remember her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's tough. One of the hardest things to do is to get a person like that to not do things Yeah I mean, I guess I want to touch a little bit on the direction you were going because

Starting point is 01:34:13 And I know you were asking her like sometimes that people don't make the connection that it's like a scared or a fear thing But there's if you're running there's something running. That's right. You're That's right. There's something that she needs to work on. And typically someone like that, it's like their fear, whether they realize it or not, is to be called lazy or someone think they're lazy. Something like that. Yeah. Inadequate, not enough.

Starting point is 01:34:36 And so this idea of I'll never be that person comes a lot of times. Like someone who has a childhood with me who had maybe a stepdad who was never working in and out. And so it's like, of course, one of my greatest fears is to be that vert that, right? So I tend to go the opposite direction because I don't want to be that. So I pile on more work and do more things because I want to be as far away from that. A lot of times it's somebody like that who had a childhood or something

Starting point is 01:35:04 like that, that makes them go I am chip on their shoulder. I want to be so different than that character that I Overcompensate the other direction not realizing that you're not that character right obviously is exactly exactly our next caller is Kyle from Illinois What's up, Kyle? How's it going good great to talk to you guys. Thank you for having me on. I first wanted to follow up from my last call. I called a couple months ago and was struggling with issues with my sleep, waking up in the middle of the night, that type of thing. And you guys nailed it in terms of overtraining. So you put me on a Maps 20 and since reducing

Starting point is 01:35:43 my volume, I've been sleeping way better so it made a tremendous difference and So your diagnosis was spot-on. So I'm at the point now where I'm like Yeah I'm starting to think about do I start increasing my my volume some and see how I handle it It's hard to you know get towards the end of the the maps 20 here and to think about what's next. But my question today is around bulking and cutting. I think I'm probably over indexing on it. But you guys talk about the difference between a bulk and a surplus and a deficit being like three to 500 calories. And you speak about it as generally being this sort of

Starting point is 01:36:22 week's long pattern. And so just in day-to-day life, I do generally being this sort of weeks long pattern. And so just in day to day life, I do my best to sort of approximate where I'm at in my head, you know, but, you know, most of the things that I eat don't have labels on them and no two sirloin steaks are exactly the same. And so I know that I'm, I've got to be 20% off at best and 20%, you know, over the course of a day is, is 500 calories plus or minus. So I guess my question is really two questions. How big of a deal is it if one day I'm above, one day I'm below, it kind of undulates day to day and I'm just tracking to make sure that

Starting point is 01:37:02 generally I'm getting stronger over the long haul, the trajectory there is positive and that, you know, my weight isn't, you know, going way too high, way too fast while I'm not getting stronger. So just tracking those two objective measurements and generally just trying to do the best I can to be somewhere around where my maintenance is as best as I can feel it out. But I know that, you know, believing that it's super accurate is sort of an illusion, at least for me in my context. So, I'm curious if there's a big disadvantage. Am I wasting my effort by not going into a weeks long bowl that I know I'm surplus every day? That type of thing.

Starting point is 01:37:41 No, no, that's a great way to do it. That's how I do it. It's a very healthy, good relationship with food. And it's a great way to do this. One of the easiest ways to just make sure that you're kind of staying the bulk is measuring what you are and tracking you getting stronger. It's a healthy place to do it. You want to undulate calories up and down, it's good. I like to take a client, instead of getting hung up on the being 20% off because it's

Starting point is 01:38:10 steak and things like that, is we all kind of have similar breakfasts or dinners that you always repeat back to. When you're in bulk, it's like, I add a half a cup more rice and I eat sort of eight ounces, I eat 10 set of eight ounces. I eat 10 ounces of meat. Like, so, you know, if you kind of have these similar things that you, you tend to lean towards and you eat you, when I'm bulking, I just know to that's when I ate,

Starting point is 01:38:36 add that extra portion of rice and I have two more ounces of the meat in those meals. And that tends to like take care of that. And whether that's exactly 375 or 520 calories, that doesn't matter. It's like it's definitely more than what I normally eat there. And then the reverse is true when I'm cutting. It's like, okay, now I'm going to go from the cup of rice to maybe like a half a cup of rice and instead of the, you know, eight to 10 or 10 ounces, I'm going to go down to the eight ounces.

Starting point is 01:39:01 And so it's a great way to kind of to do it. The challenging part is when you get a client who is like adamant about wanting to see results by a certain speed and time and then it's like and then we're also not tracking then I go Okay well if you want to be more precise and you want me to be able to tell you why we're not going up or not going down then Yeah, let's track. Let's measure its way. Let's get granular here

Starting point is 01:39:23 But if you're just trying to overall be healthy, fit, strong, build muscle, and you're in a quote unquote bulk, what you're doing is a great way to do it. That's how I do it. I base my intake on health, gut health, strength, weight, and then the mirror, because I can pretty much guesstimate where my body fat percentage is roughly. You could use body fat percentage testing as well and

Starting point is 01:39:49 you just you just kind of play with it and live your life. I mean that's a great place to be. The leaner you get and the more specific you want your results within a particular time frame like Adam said, then you got to get a little bit more granular. If you get down to 7% body fat and you want to get down to 5%, well now you're probably going to have to start tracking because it gets more difficult. But the way you're doing it's perfectly fine.

Starting point is 01:40:10 And by the way, if you're getting stronger, if you find yourself continuously getting stronger relatively consistently, there's zero reason for you to change and increase volume. So I know that was the first comment you made, like when do I go up in volume? Well, if you're improving, you don't. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:40:27 Why? Why add more? Ride that way. Yeah, why add anything more if you're improving? You're already adding volume by getting stronger. Every time you add weight to the bar, you've increased volume. So there's no reason for you to radically change

Starting point is 01:40:41 your volume. You can change some of the exercises. You could add more lateral movements or rotation if you want, but that same, that MAPS 15 protocol, that style, it works really great for a lot of people long-term. So just keep repeating MAPS 15. Just keep going. You can, absolutely. If the results are coming, hell yes. Yeah, there's nothing wrong. I mean, you could switch out some of the exercises if you want to add more rotation, more functional movements, you want to swap out an overhead press for a one-arm bent press. If you want to add some

Starting point is 01:41:15 lateral movement and take them, I mean, you could start doing that as well, but that general, you know, kind of skeleton, it's a great, if you're progressing, you're progressing. There's no reason for you to go, biggest mistake people make is they're progressing and they's a great, if you're progressing, you're progressing. There's no reason for you to go, biggest mistake people make is they're progressing and then they think, oh, if I do more, I'll progress faster. That's almost, that's like nine out of 10 times the wrong thing to do. Okay, okay.

Starting point is 01:41:39 All right, and not a big deal if like, there's no advantage to like bulking for some long period of time, when I mean long by weeks weeks long uh versus you know uh I'm not losing out uh by not doing that no in fact undulating is so look at it this way okay if I have you know high calorie days lower calorie days but overall at the end of the week I'm in a surplus of calories I'm still in a bulk versus always consistent so in other words if I have some days that are high some days are low but at the end of the week I'm in a surplus of calories I'm still in a bulk versus always consistent.

Starting point is 01:42:05 So in other words if I have some days that are high some days are low but at the end of the week it averages out to a 500 calorie surplus per day that in my opinion is better than having an exact 500 calorie surplus every single day. I think it's better psychologically and I do believe physiologically there are some benefits to not being so exact on a daily basis. I really do. I prefer to undulate. In fact, this is how I would coach my clients. Okay. Super helpful. Really appreciate it guys. Kyle stay the course. I'm glad you're getting good sleep now. Oh, that sounds good. Take care guys. Thank you. Overthinking. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:43 No, he, he's going great. He said it. He said it. You know? Yeah, he's doing good. Such a good point though to make that. I felt like we had that on another caller, right? Where you're doing good and then you want, you think, oh, how soon can I do this? And do that's like that. Do I have to jump back?

Starting point is 01:42:58 You know what? I mean, especially like, so he's been lifting for a while, right? He's not like a newbie lifter. It's like, man, when you are progressing. Especially with that, you know, exactly. You've been working out for a while, right? He's not like a newbie lifter. It's like, man, when you are progressing. Especially with that, exactly. You've been working out for a while to progress at all. Yeah, it's such a huge win, you know what I'm saying? Because most people spend a lot of time in plateaus

Starting point is 01:43:14 and not progressing. After five years of strength training, that's where you're living. Yes, yeah. You live in a- It's varied a little, like you're talking about. Like add these other elements that might be not even existent in there,

Starting point is 01:43:26 but that's it. Our next caller is Lawrence from Pennsylvania. What's up Lawrence? What's up? How are you guys? How can we help you? Just had some questions. I've been recently, they kind of get them back on track. I'm currently at five'7", about two tats. I'm down from about 225 starting weight. I'm eating approximately when I'm at maintenance,

Starting point is 01:43:53 2,600 calories. I'm at a cut right now of about 2,050. I've been back at it consistently for a few months now. After about a year and a half of being kind of off and on since we had our newborn. I guess she's not a newborn anymore. And when I exercise I tend to feel a little bit like lightheaded and dizzy especially when I'm kind of pushing the tempo. Often it kind of feels like my muscles are ready to go but not the rest of me. Should I just be decreasing my tempo or could it kind of be something else? I know I have a tendency to kind of push the envelope

Starting point is 01:44:29 a little bit, I have a sporting background, I wrestled growing up. So usually I feel a little bit more comfortable in those higher intensity situations. Okay, good question. Okay, by the way, if all of you isn't ready for the set, you're not ready. So you wrote in your email, my muscles feel ready,

Starting point is 01:44:46 but all of me doesn't. That means you're not ready. But let's try to problem solve here with the dizziness and the lightheadedness. Are you eating carbohydrates in your diet? So I tend to go to the gym kind of first thing in the morning. It tends to be like the only time I have to go.

Starting point is 01:45:04 Okay. So I'll eat dinner probably around like six, seven o'clock at night and then first thing in the morning like five, six in the morning I'm at the gym before I eat. Okay and then do you have carbohydrates in your diet? Yes. Okay good. I like to have a pretty full diet. I don't like to cut anything out. And then do you eat a whole, is it whole food based? Is it all mostly food from home prepped yourself? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:31 So like I do a lot of the like ground turkey, white rice, pretty simple diet, but a lot of carbs and a lot of protein. All right. Yeah, you're sodium. A little bit light on the fat side. Sodium. Yeah, I think you need sodium dude

Starting point is 01:45:52 Sodium yeah, have you tested your blood pressure or after Oh both all day? Yeah, I would I would drink I would have a nice electrolyte drink 30 minutes before the workout So you know obviously you know listen to the show so you know we work with LMNT I would have a packet of LMNT with a big 16 ounce glass of water I would drink that 30 minutes before especially first thing in the morning and You'll know right away by the way if this is the deal You'll drink it you can eliminate and then you'll go in the workout be like wow that dizziness is gone Then you know it was probably

Starting point is 01:46:20 Sodium you would be surprised how much how little sodium you consume even if you salt your food when it's whole Whole natural especially if you sweat in your workouts like you do you do you break a good sweat while you're working out? Yeah, I tend to I sweat a lot. I like to also after the workouts sometimes I'll hit us off hit the sauna if I'm not feeling too bad But I sweat a lot. How are you with your rest periods, uh, in between sets? So I've been running a maps anabolic a little bit. So I've been, uh, I'll do the kind of the time dress periods that you guys recommend. Um, so normally I'll do, um, on the,

Starting point is 01:46:57 the first couple of weeks, that's the like three minutes or so. Um, when I tend to have more issues is like when I'm in the kind of minute to minute and a half kind of rest periods. So there's two kinds of dizziness and lightheadedness that you want to decipher. There's the oh my god I'm so out of breath I'm like pushing myself hard so that's causing a little bit of that and then there's the well yeah that was a hard set but I still feel lightheaded. That light-headed feeling, the second option, in my experience, many times,

Starting point is 01:47:29 especially if it's a whole food-based diet, and or a low-carb diet, that's why I asked you that, is because we need to add some sodium to the diet. Now, the fact that you used to be a wrestler, how long did you wrestle for? I wrestled all through high school, since I was young, middle school and then into college. Oh bro, you're used to being dehydrated.

Starting point is 01:47:49 Yeah, you guys are crazy. How did you make weight? Did you do crazy shit? Yeah, my parents used to want to kill me. I'd be like in garbage bags and sweat suits. Hey, get some LM&T. Get some LM&T, it'll change your life. I'm telling you right now, get some LM& LMT, it'll change your life. I'm telling you right now, get some LMT,

Starting point is 01:48:07 it will completely change your life. Especially with the wrestling background. Like the most dehydrated people ever trained were wrestlers. They're so used to just having no water in their bodies, it's crazy. Yeah, I think that's what kinda just kinda got me a little bit is I'm used to like,

Starting point is 01:48:23 when I'm going and I'm lifting and I'm feeling like kind of that high intensity I feel good and then as soon as the set ends it kind of yeah do you know why yeah yeah your blood pressure drops yeah so and so you get that that sudden drop in blood pressure and it causes you to get you probably see spots and stars so yeah dude element t will probably Order some elements, take it twice a day. And you'll feel a difference. I would go one packet before your workout and then one packet during your workout.

Starting point is 01:48:51 And you'll probably be like, wow, what is this? This is like, this is crazy. You'll notice in your first workout a difference, if that's the case. Mm-hmm. Gotcha. Awesome. That's it, man.

Starting point is 01:49:02 Should be an easy fix, brother. Thank you guys so much. All right, Lumber. Should be an easy fix, brother. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate your time. I got it, brother. Thank you. All right. Have you guys trained, you've trained wrestlers before? Of course.

Starting point is 01:49:13 The wrestlers are... You could throw anything at them. The toughest human beings I've ever... Seriously. The second would be like water polo for some reason. They beat the shit out of themselves, but wrestlers are like... I did a wrestling practice in high school once.

Starting point is 01:49:27 I was a judo guy, and it was recreational judo, so it wasn't super high competitive. I went to a wrestling practice, and the freaking coach closed the windows, turned up the heat, and I was like, and I remember thinking to myself. And they don't drink water. No, not allowed to.

Starting point is 01:49:40 It's just constant. And I remember as a kid, I was even aware of this being like, this guy's gonna, he's gonna hurt people, we need to tell him something. I mean, it's the only sport I recall being around where they have a throw up trash can intentionally for everybody to throw up in, because it's just so normal in practice.

Starting point is 01:49:57 Oh, yeah. It's like, we had moments in basketball when you're running sprints, that guy threw up here and there, but it wasn't like, it wasn't normal'll be down. It wasn't normal, yeah. Wrestling is battle, dude. It's like all the time. It's like every practice this season.

Starting point is 01:50:09 Yeah, dude, it's battle. Yeah, and when you're used to that kind of feeling, which he probably is, and you know. And if, you know, I'm gonna tell you, if you're healthy, if you're otherwise healthy, not like your doctor didn't say you got issues and you gotta watch your sodium, if you're otherwise healthy,

Starting point is 01:50:23 and you eat a whole natural food diet and you gotta watch your sodium. If you're otherwise healthy, and you eat a whole natural food diet, and you work out, the odds are your sodium is not high enough for you. And supplementing with electrolytes, especially high sodium electrolytes, because most electrolyte powders don't have enough sodium. But Elemente, they're the first ones to do it in the market. It's a thousand milligrams of serving.

Starting point is 01:50:40 You take that, and the good news is this, it's one of the few things you'll know if this is what you need. You'll take it, you'll within 15 to-. You'll take it, within 15 to 30 minutes, you'll be like, oh my God, this feels so good. I didn't ask him, but I bet you he gets headaches from the sauna a lot too. Totally, totally.

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2421: The Best At-Home Way to Get Lean, Burn Fat & Build Muscle (Listener Live Coaching)

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