Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2426: Looking Lean & Strong After Age 40, Why Weighing Your Food May be Sending the Wrong Message to Your Kids, What to Do About Muscle Spasms & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: The surprising reason cardio is NOT the best form of exercise for fat loss. (2:33) The annual Di Stefano sauce making. (16:44) Big little feelings. (19:23) How long do you keep a camera on your kid? (23:21) Perspective is everything. (29:10) The strong pull for older cars. (35:06) Energize your mitochondria with red-light therapy. (39:46) Old wrestling fun facts. (44:08) Drone delivery coming to a house near you! (47:32) Shout out to David Weck! (52:08) #ListenerLive question #1 – How would you address a client’s feelings about feeling “fluffy” coming off a bikini show? (55:28) #ListenerLive question #2 – How would you guys go about explaining the importance of hydration to a teenager? (1:08:10) #ListenerLive question #3 – What are your thoughts on weighing food and counting calories in front of kids? (1:15:39) #ListenerLive question #4 – I am looking for a small shortcut here as I age. I am still putting in the work, I just need more help than I used to. Is there any advice you can offer in this area? What do you think I can try to help my body change again? (1:29:35) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Code MINDPUMP to get $50 off your first purchase. ** Visit Xero Shoes for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners. ** 10% coupon code applied automatically ** For Mind Pump listeners only, join IHP and Equi.Life for 2 full days of live exhibitions, inspiring keynote discussions, and engaging expert panels at The Reimagining Health Summit October 23 - October 25th in Orlando, FL. Visit here and use the code LIVE100 which will give $100 off any level ticket (excluding virtual). September Promotion: MAPS Starter | Starter Bundle 50% off! ** Code SEPTEMBER50 at checkout ** Mind Pump #2157: Using Cardio as a Weight Loss Tool Visit Paleovalley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Discount is now automatically applied at checkout 15% off your first order! ** Mind Pump #2382: The 5 Biggest Challenges With Cutting & Bulking Reverse Dieting: What Is It and Should YOU Try It?? | MIND PUMP MAPS Prime Pro Webinar Get your free Sample Pack with any “drink mix” purchase! Also try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump Mind Pump #900: NBA Superstar Sports Performance Coach Paul Fabritz Mind Pump #2320: Throw Away the Scale! TRANSCEND your goals! Telehealth Provider • Physician Directed GET YOUR PERSONALIZED TREATMENT PLAN! Hormone Replacement Therapy, Cognitive Function, Sleep & Fatigue, Athletic Performance and MORE. Their online process and medical experts make it simple to find out what’s right for you. Mind Pump #2315: Five Signs You’re Doing the Wrong Workout Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned David Weck (@thedavidweck) Instagram Paul J. Fabritz (@pjfperformance) Instagram Cory Schlesinger (@schlesstrength) Instagram  

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Podcast winners are Dr. Bebe and Bbubble. And for Facebook we have David Cancio. All three of you are winners in a name I just read to iTunes at mind pump media.com include your shirt size and your shipping address. We'll get that shirt right out to you. Here's the surprising reason why cardio isn't the best form of exercise for fat loss. It actually can teach the body to become more efficient, pair muscle down and make fat loss in the future much more challenging. This is why studies show in head-to-head competitions, cardio causes weight loss but it also causes muscle loss. Where as

strength training, pure fat loss. So although cardio burns a lot of calories, pay attention to what it tells your body to do afterwards. How it tells your body to adapt. That's most important. Gonna hammer this home. Hammer it. I just feel like we have to talk about this so much. Yeah. Well, it's- We're compelled to.

It's still a thing. It still triggers people when we talk about this. So to be very clear, because I know this will get people to cut it, make their little clips. I hate those videos that people make when they're like, it looks like they're watching you. So they can counter you.

Oh, I know, yeah. And there's some good, by the way, there's some really good coaches out there that do this and understand context. And then there's some idiots out there that'll, in fact there was one guy that posted something I said and then proceeded to agree with what I said, but said that he disagreed. But then countered in his caption.

It was weird, it was weird. But anyway, my point, okay, so first off, all exercise, if applied appropriately is beneficial. But he did. Anyway. Caption. It was weird. It was weird. But anyway, my point, okay, so first off, all exercise, if applied appropriately, is beneficial. All exercise, if applied appropriately, okay, because you could overdo things, you could do things wrong, right? But done properly will improve your health.

Improving your health tends to help with fat loss. So it's not that, you know, I'm saying don't do cardio. That's not what I'm saying at all. It's good for you. Especially if you want endurance, great for performance when it comes to endurance. But when it comes to just pure fat loss, it's actually not that effective

because in order to get really good at doing cardio, over the long term, what the body tends to do is it pairs muscle down. It makes you efficient. It makes you an efficient calorie burning machine. It makes you better at cardio and, and muscles with lots of endurance are not very big and cardio does burn a lot of calories while you do it. And so your body tries to learn how to burn less calories while you do it. So when you look at studies where they combine cardio plus diet, you see a

significant of the weight that the person loses comes from lean tissue. It comes from lean body mass. Strength training on the other hand, causes pure fat loss, causes less muscle loss. And of course, if you do it right, it can cause muscle gain during that process. So when it comes to pure fat loss, it's not the best form of exercise. Now it's better than nothing. It still can be very healthy for you, but if your goal is fat loss, and you don't really care about tons of endurance,

and it's not like you're in love with cardio, so it's not your passion, and you're just picking forms of exercise for effectiveness, when it comes to pure fat loss, cardio's not at the top, definitely isn't. Yeah, I think this becomes really controversial with our peers, because it sounds like we're discouraging people

from doing cardiovascular training. And I think that's where we always get into these debates with other fitness professionals. Well, I don't understand why the guys are always telling people don't do cardio or this, that, it's like, well, context really matters here. I also think there's a, when talking to clients, there's another element to this discussion

that some of our peers, I don't think fully grasp or understand, or maybe they haven't had enough experience to see this. And something that I know that we all factor in when giving this advice, which is long-term adherence. And when you've been doing this for a really long time, and you start to see patterns in people's behaviors around exercise, you learn to factor that in

when giving your advice. It's not purely, and it's not always. It's our North Star. It's like half of what we, our suggestions, our advice, like we lean on that as like one of our main things that we focus on. And it's really hard for some of these nerdy fitness professionals that are just coming out of school

to wrap their brain around it because some of it can seem counter to what you learned in school in regards to what is best for you in terms of burning calories, or health, or reducing body fat. And there's that other element to it when you have to factor in the adherence piece and behaviors, it changes the advice many times. And when I'm thinking about, OK, I'm

going to advise this person who, granted, is probably been struggling with weight 20, 30 years of their life, and they finally have got some momentum and they're doing this thing and they're doing, you know, three, four days of running on a treadmill or that's what they want to do. I'm thinking to myself, like even if that could get them down a little bit of weight right now, that, that formula, I know how hard that is for them to keep that for the rest of their life and they'd be far

better off not committing to all that and only committing to one or two days of strength training and lifting weights because the return on that not only for them as far as building muscle but burning body fat metabolically is far greater and more realistic to be sustainable long term because I'm asking them to only commit to one or two hours in the entire week versus four hours of an hour of cardio which has very minimal ROI comparison. Well you're hitting another nerve too because the other people that have the biggest challenge with this are the performance driven coaches and trainers who've worked a lot with athletes who themselves train at a hardcore high level and whenever we say something like two days a week of strength training don't overdo it

What they hear us say is we're or what they I think what they interpret is we're being easy on people and no people Need to go hard and well, what's wrong with adding extra cardio find you the strength training been then throw more on top of it Look, here's the deal. When you're, when you're dealing with most people, one of the top considerations when it comes to long-term success is stress management. Okay. Now, when I say stress management, what people hear is stressful job, stressful life, learn how to meditate. That's true, but we're talking about all stresses on the body, which

includes those things plus exercise. Exercise is a stress. So people call in, this happens often, people will call in, we'll get on the body which includes those things plus exercise. Exercise is a stress. So people call in, this happens often, people will call in, we'll get on the Zoom with them and we'll coach them. And what we hear from them is, and what we can deduce is, this person's body's overwhelmed.

They're exercising four days a week, they're not getting great sleep, they have kids, they have a job. The way that they're communicating how they're responding and their plateaus, we know through experience like their body's overwhelmed with stress. So what we need to do as coaches is some stress management. Now what I'm not going to do is tell them quit your job, find a new

job, you know, find a new relationship. Like that might help but that's not my job. My job is exercise. So I look at their stress management and I look at the exercise portion like okay you're working out four days a week, you're doing 45 minutes of cardio plus an hour strength training each time, we need to cut something. What is the thing I'm gonna cut that's gonna produce, that's gonna actually get your body moving the right direction or to put it differently, what do I want to keep and what I keep is strength training. What I cut is the other stuff. Now we get the stress bucket down, we have some

stress management, the body responds again and what we've kept in the routine is the form of exercise that, as you put it, Adam, gives you the biggest bang for your buck, the most return for the time spent doing it. Because at the end of the day, we want sustainability, we want effectiveness, and we want sustainability. And that's where that comes from. Yeah, I mean, in the context of the performance coach, it's, you have this perspective that you need your clients

to have the conditioning. They need the endurance. Because it applies within a sport, we have demand of a very specific amount of time where you have to actually run and endure for these sporting events or practice or whatever it is. Right. And so if you're talking to your average person, how much of that data they actually have to devote and carve out for that type of demand. They just don't have that. So we have to be more effective and efficient within that window of like,

what does their daily life look like? What does that consist of? And a lot of it is like sedentary and the very brief moments For them to even get in the the type of activity So you want to maximize that opportunity by strength training which then sets them up better metabolically You know to be able to adapt and lose fat down the road in a sustainable place It's like, you know, yeah It'd be great if we have all the time in the dates and they'll add all this extra activity

and all these other things. It's healthy to move continuously, but we have to be more effective and efficient with your everyday average person because they just don't have that accessibility. Do you know why UNLI also this pisses people off too? Is because it's a big reflection on themselves that they don't want to admit is them too. So there's a bit of a,

like common thought around that we give this advice to really newbie people that are unmotivated that, you know, and so, but that's not me. No advanced people this works. I love, I love fitness and I love fitness and I'm in the middle, I'm in the height of my motivational, I'm kicking ass, my abs look great, I'm feeling myself, I get up in the morning, do my hour cardio every day,

plus I train later in the evening phase of my life. And so this advice doesn't apply to me. I'm not that person. And I think everybody should be more like, and the truth is that person, part of why they struggle with hearing that advice from us Is because I am fucking talking to you I'm talking to you too because I am a fitness person too and also recognize that there's these phases in my life

When I'm highly motivated and I am getting up in the morning before and walking on the treadmill I'm due because I'm getting ready for a show and and then I have other phases of my life We're fatherhood and sleeping in and business and other things also take a priority. And guess what? Sure glad that I have the knowledge and understanding on how to balance that out when my life switch around. And what that looks like is I'm no longer committing

to all that cardio. So what am I gonna do that's gonna give me the best return on the time that I'm gonna spend in the gym because I'm spending very little right now? Oh, it's lifting weights. So it's a real, it's a bit of a reflection on people that that's where they get so upset and defensive too. You're not talking to me.

No, but of course, bringing it back down, if we're trying to improve people's health and you're communicating this, you're a doctor, let's say you're a doctor, you're a healthcare practitioner, or you're just thinking about a family member, and you want to encourage them to do something that's gonna really, it's gonna move the needle in terms of health, it's gonna improve their mobility,

it's gonna improve their metabolic health, it's gonna help them with their blood sugar or their insulin sensitivity. You're gonna pick the thing that's gonna be the most effective. And look, there's a reason why people who've managed gyms for years, like we did, anybody listening right now who's worked in a gym for years will tell you this.

If I say the word cardio bunny, you know exactly what I'm talking about, or cardio fanatic. These are members that would come in and light clock work, they hit 45 minutes on the treadmill, and they never change. They look the same. They look the same and they're all overweight, and they look the same, and they're sweating. By the way same. They look the same and they're all overweight and they look the same and they're sweating.

By the way, it's better than nothing. It's definitely better than, they're definitely healthier doing that than doing nothing. But if they took that same energy and time and had devoted it to strength training. They took half that or a quarter of that time. They'd be blown away. That's the part, Sal, is that it's not even like you,

it's like you're trading for a better thing. No, it's a fraction of what your energy and effort you're putting towards trying to be healthy and fit, and you would be healthier and fitter. That's the argument. You know, there's good news, though. The good news is that this trend is our, I mean, what we're communicating,

yeah, people are getting it, and I'm seeing this in gyms myself. You know, there's two different gyms I work out in. One is a little bit more kind of hardcore, the other one's more kind of mainstream, older. And I see this now in the people working out. Like in the gym that I go to where you see an older crowd, especially in the morning when I go,

I see more people strength training now than doing cardio. It wasn't like that before. And these are everyday, regular people just working out. It's slowly spreading. It's starting to spread and make sense and it's gonna explode or continue to grow because this is one of those promises that delivers. See, fitness is speckled with trends.

Like if you look at the fitness industry, it's all trend-based. Everything in this fitness industry is trend. This is the new trend, then this is the next trend, then this is the last trend. But the stuff that sticks around is the stuff that works. And what you've seen since the beginning of the fitness industry, if you could call it the beginning,

let's say sometime around the 70s and 80s, till now is this nice, slow, gradual growth of strength training. Now it's starting to really take off. And it's not gonna go away. See, this is not a trend. And I'm talking about traditional strength training. I'm not talking about the trends of fake strength training,

like circuit training and stuff like that. But traditional strength training. I'm not talking about the trends of fake strength training like circuit training and stuff like that, but traditional strength training has only grown consistently over time in popularity with the worst marketing of all time because for most of the time, the marketing for strength training was pro bodybuilders, which nobody wants to look like, and they look like freaks or whatever.

But the reason why it's growing and still growing, growing faster is it works. It's not gonna go away And so we want to keep hammering this and every time I hear a fitness quote-unquote person counter what we're saying either 99% time they don't understand what we're saying and what they're countering is some message that we're not communicating or there's that 1% still That's still Having you know, well, this is the opposite of like what what the go-to recipe was to change up the type of,

you know, the organization of the programming for the strength training. So that way it would appeal more to your average person. It's like we tried like messing with the arrangement so it's more of this like gauntlet style, you know, training or it's like, you know, more cardio based, like so we can like merge it all together somehow. So it's like more appealing instead of like just selling what works and then, you know, really just explaining it in full detail that like,

listen, you know, all of this stuff is wasted energy. Let's just stick to like, you know, the root of the thing where that works the best. Yeah, 100%. So, had a great weekend. This weekend we did make sauce this weekend with the family. Oh, that was the traditional week?

Yeah, this is the first time we did it, of course, without my grandmother since her passing, so it was also challenging, but the whole family got together, made a bunch of sauce. My three- or almost four year old, rising to turn four now in November, because there's lots of kids, so my cousins have kids, there's all these little kids that are right around

the age of like between one and a half to let's say four. It's like all these little kids. Are you hosting at your house now or something? No, it's my mom's house. It's been at my mom's house. It's always there. Well, it was at my grandma's house for a long time until they got too old to do it,

and now it's at my mom's house. So my mom's house is where we do the sauce. After my mom, I don't know where we're gonna do it. But anyway, we're all there and there's different stations. I've explained it to you guys before, right? It's like outside you have the washing the tomatoes and cutting them. Then inside there's a machine that you cook the tomatoes,

then you put them in a machine. It spits out the seeds in the skin and makes the sauce. Then you jar it. There's a whole drying process. So everybody's like in this conveyor belt of working together, and the little kids are just running around or whatever. And so I love the kids that come join me. I'm the tomato, I'm always the tomato cutter.

For the last, I don't know how many years, probably 10 years, I'm out there cutting tomatoes, and the kids will come out and help me because it's the job that they're not gonna get hurt. They can put the tomatoes in the different jugs of water, they'll splash each other, whatever. So they're doing that, we're having fun, the kids are splashing each other every once in a while,

hey, make sure you move the tomatoes in here, and they'll try and help. My son was, he loved working, loved it. The whole time he was doing the jobs. He was literally putting the tomatoes where they're supposed to, then he's coming around, he's collecting the basket, he's walking in, of course my family's eating it up. He's walking in like, oh my god, they're saying,

he's such a hard worker, this is blowing up, he's so proud that he's helping or whatever, and he's helping in the garage, and he's coming out, and we're just watching it. And I try not to praise him too strongly with certain things, I want him to do things because he likes it, not because he thinks other people like it, but it didn't matter.

The whole family was there telling how awesome it was. So this was like 9 a.m. till 3 p.m. nonstop, right? We were doing this. And the sauce making continued past that. That was how long my son worked. Dude, we go to bed, put him to bed, he falls right asleep, right? The kid, and you guys know this with him, he wakes up at 5.30 a.m. no matter what. No matter what, we had to bed, put him to bed, he falls right asleep, right? The kid, and you guys know this with him,

he wakes up at 5.30 a.m., no matter what. No matter what, we had to go wake him up, it was almost 8 a.m. He's exhausted. He slept so hard from all that work. Working. Yeah, dude. That's so great.

I mean, I bet too, it was a hot weekend too, so the sun, right? The sun outside, working like crazy like that. Dude, Max had a thing, was it yesterday? Yesterday or the day before yesterday? So one of the things that we, I think I've told you guys this before, he watches boss battles, which is basically videos

of somebody playing Super Mario and it's the part where they are battling the boss in the game. There's like a whole genre of nothing but that. And I mean, literally an infinite amount of videos you can watch of all. And if you know Mario, there's thousands of different bosses. So it's like an endless train of these videos. And he just, that's all he wants to watch.

That's all he ever. He eats it up. Yeah, and so, you know, and we let him. That's like his treat to do that. But it's normally in trade of like him, you know, and we we let him that's like his treat to do that But we it's normally in trade of like him, you know doing some chores around the house or it's him Reading or him doing his kuman or doing stuff like that. It's like, okay if we do this then we can you can have 20 minutes on boss battles with that and Katrina and him are driving home and I can't remember if he hadn't done his kumara and doesn't be he's asking her if like

Mommy, can we put can I do boss pals when I get home and she's't remember if he hadn't done his kumara and done it, but he's asking her if like, Mommy, can we put, can I do boss pals when I get home? And she's like, no, honey, we haven't done this or something tells him no. And he just, he starts to get the face like he's starting to cry and continues like, we definitely don't want to start crying over boss pals. I can't help it. Tears are leaking from my Oh, my God, it is that it I tell you, when he does this, when these moments happen, he's like,

I've told you guys always, I've never experienced tantrums, the extent of it is this. You can see the emotion starting to well up in his face. It's all emotional, this is regulation. Yeah. Whether it's a tantrum or a crime. Right, right. And it's a really cool thing to watch his ability to regulate that,

to not default to a tantrum, acting out, doing things, but he's still a sensitive kid, so that when he- He's still a kid. Yeah, he's still a kid, so when he doesn't get his way, he feels it. It still comes up, but we've always been consistent with when those times come that we tell him, hey, this is not something we cry over,

this is, that's not how you, and then, you know, and he's trying not to but it's still there the other morning the other morning you know it's hard not to give it it's so hard it is it's so cute it's so mild you're like damn dude I swear yeah but then he's also smart and a closer so he knows like he knows if he feels that you're like that, or you're like, oh, come here, buddy. Yeah, then he'll switch gears and be like, so then can I use it, daddy?

Wait a minute, where'd the tears go? Yeah, yeah. They gone all of a sudden? Yeah. No, so when we go to bed, we have a monitor on the kids so we can hear them, and sometimes I'll hear my son wake up, and then I know I gotta go meet him, otherwise he's gonna come to the bedroom

and then he's gonna kinda mess up the morning and maybe or whatever, right? So I hear some noise and I'm like, oh, he's getting up, shit, it's 5.15 in the morning, I better get out, I better go out and meet him. So I quickly put on some pants or whatever and I open the door and he sees me. I don't see what, he does something so fast,

I don't process what's happening, but I hear something hit the floor and he sits down. So I'm like, what are you doing? He goes, I'm sorry, but I forgot to be more sneaky. I'm like, sneaky. So I walk over and there's a lollipop on the ground. I'm like, this kid was eating a lollipop and he threw it on the ground,

you don't want me to see it, and sat down. I forgot to be more sneaky. Five o'clock in the morning. Five o'clock in the morning. Five o'clock in the morning. So then I'm like, so I'm walking with him, and as I'm walking with him. Where did he find it? Well as we're walking, he's like,

Popeye, I'm sorry, I wanted to be more sneaky. I wasn't sneaky enough. We walks over and he goes, and it's my wife's purse is out. She has lollipops in there for church. So when we're in church to get them to sit during the sermon. And he's figured this out.

Yeah dude, he figured it out bro. He pulled over a chair, climbed in, got the, but it was during the sermon, he figured out bro. He pulled over a chair climbing and got the But it was funny cuz he saw me and dropped it. He threw it and sat down Why are you sitting on the ground? But he's honest I forgot to be worse I forgot to be more You know, you just you just remind me something I've been meaning to bring up to you guys. And I think I brought this up like a year or two ago that I knew that this time was coming.

And I'm really curious of how this unfolds and how we handle it as parents. And that is, I believe, we have fully reached, it is unnecessary for us to have a camera in his room anymore, fully. There's no reason. He's like he's completely can communicate. I mean that's a real that's a real like concern or thing to think about right like how long do you keep a camera on your kit? And I feel like nobody talks about this. I feel like because it's again it's relatively new tech right just like

20-15 years ago. Yeah it wasn't even a discussion. Yeah it was exactly. So you know and it's, again, it's relatively new tech, right? Just like 20, 15 years ago. Yeah, it wasn't even a discussion before. Yeah, it was, exactly. So, you know, and it's like, who's really needing this pacifier? Is it my son who needs this pacifier, or is it me and my wife that need this? And so we have reached that, or I kind of brought it up easier.

Dan, I'm like, hey, have you thought about when you're gonna take the camera down in his room? Like, is it really? She's like, when he's 15. Yeah, and I made that joke. I'm like, you know, when you're going to take the camera down in his room? Like, is it really? She's like when he's 15. Yeah. And I made that joke of like, you know, when he get away till he's like 16 years old and stuff like that. Like, I mean, I don't want to train him to like communicate through the camera

with us. Or to know that they're being watched. Yeah. Or know that it's OK that a camera's on you all the time. And that's just normal. And so we are 100% at this. And like, you know, like patiently waiting for my wife to say, Hey, let's stop doing it because I'm okay with us not having it at all right now.

And of course there's these positive and nice parts of it. I get it. You know, so the fear and like, what if we need to see, of course, so, you know, I get it. But I mean, eventually you get to an age. Dude, it's so crazy how we were raised when we were kids. They put you to bed and then, I don't know. See you later. Is he okay?

I guess, I'll go check on him, but I can't hear him. He can be screaming right now. I'm over here in the garage trying to do something. Like they were, or when you go out with your friends, you were gone. I mean, I was talking to my daughter about this. She went somewhere and I could see her location on her phone.

I could see where she's going. I could text her, I said, answer me right when I'm texting you. We were just, mom's like, call me at 4 p.m. And that was it. We went through that this weekend with Everett because he doesn't have a phone, you know, and it's like, we went, I actually took Ethan on a date to, he went to meet up with this girl at the boardwalk

and that was a big deal. You know, he was all nervous about it, I'm like, trying to coach him up, it's gonna be fine. There's a lot of rides and things and it's fine, dude. You don't have to talk the whole time. It's like, I don't remember back then. It's like, it's nerve wracking. Hell yeah, dude.

To just spend all this time with just a girl, just you and the girl. How old is your boy, 15? Yeah, well, yeah, he's about 15. Yeah, bro, of course, remember that? 15-year-old so nervous trying to talk to somebody. Yeah, so he's dealing with that. But then, so Courtney and I had to go do some errands and all this stuff and Everett wanted

to hang out with his buddies, like that group that's in the neighborhood. And it's like, okay, cool. But he was still at the house and we trusted that he was going to get his bike and then go down to the neighbors kids and all this kind of stuff. But then he was still at the house and because we could see because of the ring cameras, but like Courtney was just, she started freak out cause she wanted to like get his attention for something and was calling in on the ring, like on the doorbell and was like, Hey, pick up, pick it. He wasn't picking

up. And so she's kind of, I'm like, he's fine. Like, and she went back and looked and he actually got on his bike, put his helmet on. He went to the neighbors and like, see? Like, it's just, it's that like loss of control a little bit and like kind of moving on and let them have independence. Yeah. It's, here's the thing too that like, cause of course

this always like triggers certain people that are still attached to them. In attached in fact my wife is probably get on to me about this conversation Thanks, you know I'm gonna get that when I get it later but it's like I mean at least what I what I try and exercise is that because I Get all the positive things of this, but no one talks about the unintended consequences of these possibilities Like all this stuff the ring is such a cool technology, all the Nanit camera, like these are all cool things. And they got great positive things to it. You know, your kid's less likely to get kidnapped,

you can see this stuff, you can see that, okay, great. But how about talking about the other side of that too? What am I teaching my kid or what am I training up to be okay with? So like at least asking yourself that question that maybe there's a point where this is less good than it is, right? That what it was before.

And it's such a new thing that we don't even know. So we're always trying to make an effort to not always pull our phones out and take pictures of the kids, which is really hard. When you got little kids, they're cute, they do something new. Oh my God, look at my daughter wearing that hat. Look what she's doing. Hurry, record it type of deal. But the second they know you're recording, they change.

And then they know that they're being filmed. See, I don't know what that's gonna, because I was never aware of that as a kid, because that never happened. If my dad pulled out a camera, everybody knew it, because it was a big ass camera on his shoulder, and he had this big backpack feet coming down yeah yeah it was a little unique because my mom was very much like into videoing everything like we're

trying to like so we knew we would hide you know or or we'd lean into it and like do some kind of like weird skit and like other dude there's this when you're into wigs a genre of skits that like me my brother Forced it Forced or did you want to? Like we had to go to the church and do these like Performances and they they did my mom loved it You know cuz she's in the choir like was like all into the the drama and like creating costumes and so The choir was all into the drama and creating costumes. But yeah, there was a lot of those on camera that I wish didn't exist.

Dude, speaking of camera and being recorded and all that stuff, you guys want to feel old real quick? I just saw the statistic. I don't know about you guys, but when somebody says 20 years ago or something like that, I always think 1990. You think it's way older. It's not that long ago. You guys remember the show The Wonder It's like not that long ago. Listen, listen, you guys okay?

You guys remember the show The Wonder Years? Yeah. Love that show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I liked it, but I hated it too, because it was a kid, Paul, the kid with the glasses, everybody said I looked like him when I was a kid. Used to get on my knees to piss me off. Anyway, great show.

That show, if we had a show today that was depicting, you know, because that depicted life from between 1968 and 1973. 1960, yeah. That was 60s to 70s it was depicting? you know, because that depicted life in the, from between 1968 and 1970. Yeah. That was 60s to 70s it was depicting? That's what it depicted. Wow. Okay.

And it came out in 1988, then we watched it through the early 90s. The 90s, yeah. Okay. If we had a show like that today, it would be depicting American life between 2004 and 2009. That's an interesting stat right there.

That's like a lame period. Yeah. Yeah. Forgettable. Yeah. I don't know what would the show be about. That's a interesting stat. That's like a lame period. Forgettable. Yeah. I don't know what the show will be about. That's a good point. Yeah. What happened? Nothing really.

Boy bands? I don't know what was going on at that time. That's a really interesting point. But you know what though, it's also from our point of view, right? Probably from a kid, just like us at that age, those, I mean think about it, your perception of life and the world, everything is so different. Am I tripping though right now? Because I feel like the difference between 1968 and 1988 when the first one aired is a very big difference in the way that people

dress, culture. There's a major shift. From your perspective. So from your son or daughter's perspective, they would say the same thing there. So if we watch a show. They would be like, man, you remember in 99 when we used to do things like this, and now in 2006 we do this, they will have that same perception. I'm trying to think, because 2004,

I mean you already had the internet, what would be so radical, you know what I mean? I feel like it's not as different in terms of, but maybe you're right. I mean how about driver's license, electric car stuff, how about social media, I mean that's all huge radical changes in society that we kind of watched evolve in and so it's less you know dramatic for us as adults. But as a kid, I'm sure that was like super crazy. They timeline it based on like video game graphics. Yeah. Guaranteed.

That's like what they think about it. They're like, oh, so pixelated. I mean, what was the style? Who cares? Like what was the typical style? You don't know because you haven't seen it. I'm not giving you a softball. You've been stuck in the same era for 30 years so you don't know because you haven't seen it. I'm not giving you a softball. You've been stuck in the same era for 30 years. So you don't know it all. So I don't know what happened. He's like, I don't understand. There hasn't been any change.

There hasn't been any style change since 2004. I'm sure it looks different, but Google, typical 2004 fashion. Oh, man. You're making us look like a bunch of boomers right now. Probably. I just imagine like it's, I don't know, it's like frosted hair or something. Was that then? Was it then?

No, that's 99. That's when I got it. See, it's the late 90s. That was 90s. That's even faster than that. Yeah. That's the last definitive thing. The 2000s are just so like, forgettable. It feels like it. It's, I'm telling you guys right now. It's from your perspective

You're right. There must be something I'm trying to think. Yeah, you need we be so just you need to be talking We need to be talking to like a 25 year old right now to get like a better understanding. Okay, so does that look like radically Different. Hey, not really. I mean Jessica It's not radically different Other than a cute girl? You type in 2009. She has like Uggs. Yeah, so these are 2004 fashion trends.

Oh, is that like the Uggs thing? Just Uggs. OK, so fast, just scroll down. OK, well, OK, I can address something on this, Sal. OK, if we just- Like, it doesn't look so different. 1988 looks so different. OK, OK, but here's something that has changed today

that's a little bit different than those eras. That is, I think is interesting. It has become more popular today, and this is again, this is due to social media. Right. Is there's a lot of people today that are wearing 70s era, 80s era, 90s era. Because of social media,

it's been able, people are able to share this stuff. And where we, like as a nation followed a fashion trend, trends are so different. Not to mention the cycles of clothes is radically different today than it was when we were younger too. So it used to be like, uh, four seasons in, in clothes. I look up how many seasons, it's crazy. It's like, it's like six times to 10 times more. I guess in Japan, like goth is like a big, you know, like, they just found it.

You know? They're like all about it. You know what though? Some decades are very distinct, and I feel like as we move more into the future, I don't know, because the decades don't seem as, like if I say, when you look at 68 to 88, when I'm using the time span from the one- I get what you're I'm using the time span from the Wonder I get what you're saying.

It's so different. No, I get what you're saying. I just think that it's- Like he's showing pictures right now? I think it's our perspective, that's why. Maybe. And I think you're the things that we, and here's another probably point,

we tie these eras and decades so closely to fashion because fashion was like a big, where fashion cycles so quick. Now, like a kid who's in their 20s doesn't go like, oh, the difference between O4R is clothes. That's so radically different all the time. They probably don't even measure that way anymore. They measure probably off of tech and off of video games

and off of social media. Like, oh my God, you remember when we used to use Facebook? Facebook is so, that's what all the old people, now you have Snapchat, now you have Twitter. Remember when we were humans? Yeah. Yeah. Remember when we were humans? Yeah. Remember we had flesh. So I do get what you're saying with the,

with like how fashion was very, very different when you compare. So I guess tech would be a good thing to say, because it goes from 1968 to 88 tech is very different, right, 68 car to an 88 car, very different, very, very different. Although I'd say it went backwards in many ways. 68 cars were a little bit. So I'd say it went backwards in many ways.

68 cars were a little bit off. So I have a prediction on that. Lots of cars were amazing. I think a week, cars in the 80s were like, what happened? After 70s, we were at a car show this weekend, Doug and I, in downtown Will Glen area. You guys have these dates off in the tour, huh?

Yeah, we do. That was nice. All right, go ahead. Yeah. So we, Cars and Company. I think that, and so this will be a really interesting, I think we're at a very interesting inflection point,

I guess you could say, in the automotive world, that the cars just say 10 years ago are going to become more desirable than the newest stuff right now. And the reason why that is is because we've gotten so efficient with the speed and horsepower and quickness of these cars, the handability, all this stuff is just, the tech is insane in cars that true driving enthusiasts.

Like the human element is getting further and further away. The human element is getting, the phase is getting further and further away. Now that doesn't mean that I don't think that it'll keep going that way and we'll eventually have self self driving cars. But I do think there's going to be a real strong pull to going back. And I notice it more than anything right now in these new, new cars that are coming out right now.

Like you actually have to crank open your window. Yes. Well, I mean, you know that, you know that in like, okay, so just like one car genre, like understanding like the Porsche market in general If you were to buy a say 10 year old 911, you'll have to pay more money Significantly more money right now exact same Porsche 911 model but in manual Yeah, of course it costs more money for the manual the true man because it's it's more desirable Of course to have that.

And so we're losing that analog feel of the experience. And so as tech continues to evolve, and the car gets better and better. This is why people hunt with bow and arrow still. Or why they don't have drone-mounted machine guns hunting because what's the fun in doing that? Takes a lot of skill. Great analogy.

Yeah, great analogy. There was a point there for a long time where manual was faster than automatic. If you wanted a faster car, you got the manual version. Cause the way that they did the timing of the automatic suck. But now it's the other way around completely drive a car as fast. That's why people are always so funny. If you, if you've never, like, if you see the like supercar market, there's no, there's rarely ever a car. Porsche is one of the few that still does, I even offer a manual

because it's become, paddle shifting is so much more efficient, the transmissions are so much better that you lose tons of performance by going to a manual and the idea of a fast supercar is not to be slower, right? So, but again, the people are being drawn back to that and so I do so connected to it with the manual yeah it's like that's why people love it you even though technology has evolved beyond it that's such a flex now I think it's such a flex now to get in a car that's manual and then shift while

you're driving yeah but most people like whoa you know how to doing you're a wizard dude having to do that when I was in Scotland, like on the right hand side and then left in the snow. I was like, what am I doing? Like this was like, it was all, it had been, I don't know, over 10 years since I had driven a. Who was it that said this to me? I don't know if it was when you guys

were one of my friends. They said that they're buying, the first car they get for their kid, they're gonna find this manual. Is that you? Yeah, I would do that too. You know why? So they can't text. Uh-huh. Oh that's a that I didn't say that. That is smart. That wasn't my angle but I love that. So it wasn't you. Somebody told me that I'm like you're right because if you have a stick shift you ain't texting you gotta you gotta change gears. What a

good point. Yeah. So if you want your kid to not text while driving get him a stick shift. Very smart. And they're gonna have to put the phone I don't know somebody tell me that that's a pretty that's a pretty insightful totally get good enough. I used to do it anyway That's true. That's true. I could definitely still text at that point if you're doing both You're that guy like that one I don't know if you ever seen that video or he's like on the organ and he's hitting all These horns and everything. It's like on an organ and he's hitting all these horns and everything at once, like trying to find his wife's orgasm. I wonder if that would work,

or it would to Justin's point backfire under, you just end up still texting. At least not for the first year where your kid has to really learn. They're not gonna do both. No, yeah, yeah, it's a good deterrent. I think that's totally smart. Totally, 100%.

Yeah, no, it sounds smart. I'm curious to a dad that's- At least initially. Does driving stick shift reduce cell phone or texting in the car? I bet you could Google that, Doug, and see. I mean, theoretically it has to, right? Because there's at least some time

you have to have your hand on there. You're holding both, the phone and the, I would have done that probably. Exactly, you'll find a way. So I was doing some reading on red light therapy and really just kind of, okay, how does this work

exactly? Because it's a very strange phenomenon. You shine a certain wavelength of red light on your skin. Oh look it does. Stick shift does help reduce texting. Good job, thanks Doug. So when you shine the red light on your skin. Oh look, it does. Stick shift does help reduce texting. See, good job, thanks Doug. So when you shine the red light, these red light frequency or wavelength goes to the cells

and it makes the mitochondria work more. That's what we've been saying, it's weird, right? So what it literally does is this. Your mitochondria turn the red light into energy, like a damn plant. It's literally like, there's almost like a plant with photosynthesis, red light goes into your cells, the cells use the light and convert it into energy.

And so what you're doing is you're literally energizing your cells, your cells are utilizing this red light and turning it into energy. So the way I've explained it, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's just like basically the mitochondria in your cell is like a battery that you are charging with this light. So it's like you are charging up. That's not a bad analogy. That's kind of the best way I've been able to try and explain it to like family or

friends. They're like, what the hell is going on here? And that is like the hub, right, is inside these cells. And by by you shooting this light it charges it up. So any cell that uses mitochondria which is all cells if you provide more energy to the mitochondria then those cells will operate better better right this is why red light therapy and studies pretty much anywhere they test it does it improve skin yes it does does it re skin? Yes it does. Does it regrow hair? Yes it does. Does it help with wound healing?

Yes. Pain? Yes. Dementia and cognitive function? Yes. People wearing, putting red light on their skulls and shooting it up the nose so it gets near the brain. Improves cognitive function.

So I- Doesn't it kind of point to like, what if we came from Mars? Why, cause it's a red planet. Cause it's a red planet. No. So what I think, to your point, Sal, this is why I think the future is beds, bathrooms, things like this are being going to be converted to like, as people understand that it has

so many benefits to it, where can I just organically build it into my house structure to where it's naturally always hitting me like this? I really think that that's where we'll move to is that like anything else technology it's not cheap right now because the technology is still in there. It's affordable now though. It used to be. No you're right and it'll get more and more affordable just like cell phones or anything else like that it'll get it'll get better and more affordable and we'll get to a point where I think people will have a drying station right next to your bed somehow or in people will have built into their bed somehow, or in the ceilings in their bathrooms.

So not all red light therapy's the same, right? You wanna use the same wavelengths and concentrations that you find in the studies. Otherwise you'll have to use whatever cheap red light you have 50 times to get the benefits at one time. Nonetheless, like Juve, we work with Juve, I think you could buy like a small panel for like a little over 100 bucks.

Maybe look it up, Doug, and let's see what that looks like. You know what it used to cost? You know what red light therapy used to cost? I think you could buy a small panel for a little over a hundred bucks. Maybe look it up, Doug, and let's see what that looks like. You know what it used to cost? You know how red light therapy used to cost? You'd have to go to your dermatologist or really high end salons would have them. And those machines that they used to have were like 15 grand back in the day.

This is like all skin treatment prices. This is like way back in the 70s they even did stuff like this. Even as far back as 10, 15 years ago, you would have to pay 50 bucks for a treatment because this machine was tens of thousands of dollars. But now you can have it in your home. What does it say there, Doug? Yeah, it's not a hundred bucks.

No, no, no, hundreds, the small one. Oh, several hundred, yes, 500 dollars. Yeah, so there. And you got one in your home. Which, like I said before, was thousands, tens of thousands of dollars. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so home. Yeah, which like I said before it was thousands tens of thousands of dollars Yeah, I mean I so I shared on one of the last times we had a jiupe commercial I had some family member that bought like an off-brand and I got on the website to look it up and so that and so This is where I have to use it for like 10 years. No, it's it's not that crazy

But it is like five times the amount Yeah and when you think about okay if I only have to spend five to ten minutes in this to get five times the amount of what this other thing is, you have to do the math on like how much time you have to spend in front of that just to get the same exact. So it's one of those things where it's like, okay, you might spend a little bit more money upfront for that, but the reality of you spending half hour to hours of time in front of that just to match the same is ridiculous. So.

Yeah, doesn't make any sense. So I found some cool old facts from back in the day. You guys are both, we're all wrestling fans, we were kids, right? Yeah, yeah. WWF followers. Yeah, you shared that clip, you shared a clip that I remember watching.

Do you remember those? Yes. That's why I shared it. So when you shared that clip, it was a, so by the way, my first initial like wanting a bulldog Actually started from the the the Bruce the barber. It's the barber was it the bulldog. No, he wasn't Oh, no, Bruce the barber didn't have a bulldog. His teammate his wrestling teammate one time was the barber I think it was the British British Bulldog. He was Jack. Yeah, it's a super jack

And they any had a bulldog was their first introduction to him. But anyways, I remember Jack. Yeah. Super Jack. And he had a bulldog was the first introduction to him. But anyways, I remember that clip that you sent over, you sent like a famous, you know, match that was going to happen. That's where they do the hype. Almost 100%. I watched that WrestleMania, whichever one that was, because there was, I don't know if you guys remember how many of those you ordered as a kid. I probably watched, I don't know, probably six years that I remember probably paying

for pay per view. We never pay because we stole it. We had that. We had that scramble thing. The black chip or whatever. Yeah, dude, so. My friend said, oh, listen, people, the guys, the people who would work on your cable, they're the ones that would sell it. They would come work on your cable

and they'd say, hey, for a hundred bucks, I'll give you this box, hook it up, and then you can watch whatever you want. The cable guy. Yeah, so that's what we had. So I watched Muscle Mania on those for free. But anyway, I looked it up. So, Hulk Hogan, most popular of all time, right? He started, I have a picture of it,

I'll show you guys a picture of him. Yeah, Hulk's the best. He started as a wrestler, and he was known as the Boulder Brothers with Brutus the Barber Beefcake. So they were both partners originally when they wrestled. Here's a little picture. I didn't remember reading that.

We'll make sure we put it up on the, oh wow. Look at them together. Just two total, yeah, meatheads or whatever. I didn't remember, I don't remember reading that. Yeah, they were partners. So Brutus the Barber started as far back as Hulk Hogan. Oh wow.

And so it was, it was Brutus the Barber and then the British Bulldog ended up being a tag team at one point. Yeah. Do you remember what Brutus the Barber and then the British Bulldog ended up being a tag team at one point. Do you remember what Brutus the Barber would do if he beat you? Cut your hair. Cut your hair off.

That's kind of best stuff. Yeah, you cut your hair. That was the time that I remember, I went through a little time in my life. I don't remember when I stopped watching wrestling. Do you remember how old you were when you stopped wrestling, watching wrestling? When I really, when I stopped wearing underoos. Really? You never had underoos? Why would I wear underoos? watching wrestling? Stopped wearing underoos.

Really? You never had underoos? Why would I wear underoos? Yeah, of course I had underoos. What are underoos? Underwear, but it would have... Tiny whiteys with like the print, you know? Like wrestlers, fast cars, yeah, like G.I. Joe.

You know, like all little Luke kid stuff? I mean, it's a little, like Max's age, yeah. Yeah, Max has that, he has Mario. I had underwear from Italy, so my underwear looked like. Like lingerie already. I was just saying. He's like three years old. Oh, bikini cut.

I was wearing Speedos, dude. But a banana thong when he was like five. Right off the gates. As a little kid. You know, I didn't realize, I told you guys this before, long time ago. I didn't realize it was weird till junior high when you changed in front of you for the first time.

Oh my God, I was like, what are you wearing? Bro, I never changed. It was like, Sal's a porn star. I never changed in front of me for the first time. I'd never changed, bro. I'd never changed. I was a porn star. I'd never changed in front of my parents ever. I had my cousins, my cousins and I, we all wore the same underwear. Are you a stripper? Our parents from Italy.

Everybody's taking their clothes off and I see a bunch of boxers, like you see in TV boxers, I'm like, people actually wear boxers? I take mine off and my friend's like, what the hell are you wearing? Underwear? Wait, this isn't normal?

You look like a, you look like a Chippendale. But I had to own it with pride. Yeah, yeah, you definitely did. You know, we were talking like technology and air. I saw a clip of this and I wanted to ask Doug to look up and see if this is happening consistently now. I saw like an Instagram reel or something, and a guy was getting candy delivered to his house

from Walmart via drone. Wow. So is that officially happening now? So look up Walmart drone delivers candy. How are these just like people that they're using as examples, like here's what could happen, and then they film it or is it available to the public?

It was a drone, and then it came, and he was videoing it before it got there. And you see it come in, and then it gets to his house, and then it doesn't even land. It just drops down the Walmart bag, lowers it, he unclamps it, and then it comes back, and then it takes off, and it had a Walmart. How long until? It looked like official.

Yeah, it's official. It is official. What? Yeah. I wonder if this, hold on. This Christmas is gonna be like. You know, cause Walmart and Amazon, like, you know, they're always battling.

So maybe this is a step, you know, a step ahead for them. So it is official. Is it all, or is it, be on the lookout for drone delivery near you? Yes, I think you have to find one in your location. How long now, let's make a little guess, your prediction, how long until we start seeing.

I'm invested in hawks. Into drone pirates. Of course. There's gonna a little guess, your prediction. How long until we start seeing? I'm invested in hawks. Into drone pirates. Of course. There's gonna be drone pirates, right? Of course. Yeah. I mean, I would be so afraid to, I mean, I would fly a candy bar, I would roll the dice on a dollar.

Well, they have to give you insurance. I'm sure Walmart would say, if it doesn't get to your door, you won't be able to. Oh, for sure. I mean, that's what they already do with Amazon. That happens all the time, right? I was supposed to get a ninja cream not that long ago sent to my mom, and man, I tell you what, that's one of the cool with Amazon. That happens all the time, right? I was supposed to get a ninja cream not that long ago sent to my mom.

And man, I tell you what, that's one of the cool things about some of the stuff we do now. Like literally called in and said, hey, it didn't get to her house and they sent out another one. And then it eventually actually ended up coming. So she had two of them, but they literally-

Did you give it back or did you just pretend that you never got it? We did end up shipping. They ask you to, but it's like, on it was like, I could have not. You were like, I never got it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so, I thought that was really interesting that they did that without no hesitation.

And that's not cheap, those things are kind of expensive for those things. So how are they gonna fight off drone pirates? Cause I mean, that's gonna be, people are gonna throw nets up. Yeah, but I mean, it's breaking the law, so it's like stealing, no matter how you look at it. Yeah, what's the sky gonna look like with all these,

think of all the Amazon deliveries that we have now. Yeah, and there has to be times where it's acceptable, if it's early in the morning and it's like, ugh. Well, it would be just the same way the airplanes do this, where it's like, you have, okay, Walmart flies at 75 feet, Amazon flies at 120, you would have heights that you fly at. So what I read.

So you don't conflict. What does that say? Another way to secure positions is to cover them with nets. Okay, so it's gonna be, it's gonna, my point is it's gonna produce new challenges and problems. So what I was. What are you reading, Doug? I'm cracking up with these search results.

How do you fight drone swarms? How do you fight a drone? That's real. I mean that's real. We're gonna have to figure that out. It's one step closer to the sky. I didn't know that we were actually officially doing this already. I knew that it was, they were talking about it, but that's what made me bring this up. I was like, dude, is this now, but basically there'll be a big delivery truck and it's gonna drive into an area, then it opens up the side door and the drone's coming. So you're still gonna have drivers parking near the delivery zone.

Like a neighborhood, you've got 40 deliveries in this neighborhood, they can all go out at once. And it just opens the door and they all fly out. That makes the most sense. Instead of everything flying from Walmart to a house, it's like, hey, we've got 40 deliveries in the San Jose area within this block radius. You drive there, you open up, and now what the guy would have to go do individually,

all those drones go at one time and back. That would be really, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you're not conflicting with a lot of crazy flying all over the place. It also would restrict, it wouldn't be, they're right there. You would know right away if somebody stole it or knocked it down or wrote that and you're not that far away. You think they're going to put restrictions on personal drones then?

Cause then there already are restrictions on personal drones. Well more. There's a lot. There are. Yeah. Like there's been a few times where I wanted to bring mine to like go do something. I'm like, Oh, you're going to get like a permit. Yeah. And I see signs all over the place, like no drones. I'm like, oh you're gonna get like a permit Yeah, and I see signs all over the place like no drones or that's like so there's a lot of areas where You like I think last one was actually when we were out at the the truckie house I was like, oh, this would be cool. We'll fly a drone why we're golfing and do a thing like that It's like no, you know, yeah, there's a lot of areas where they they restrict it

It's like the only areas that aren't restricted all the lame areas like you could be out in the middle of nowhere and go fly your drone But if you want to fly it in residential, you can get in trouble for that. Of course, people want you to look in their backyards. Adam, what was it you were talking about with foot strength, David Weck, you had saw some? Oh, no, you know, I wanted to make him our shout out, first of all, today, because I don't think we've shouted him out, have we?

David Weck? I don't think so. So David Weck, he's a character. He is, man, he's a personality. I think Justin introduced him to me first., man. I've been following him for quite some time. I think Justin introduced him to me first. It was actually, I started following him back when we started diving deep into foot strength and stuff.

And so he's like a running specialist. I also believe that he's responsible for the BOSU ball, so understands biomechanics on a very deep level. And a lot of his stuff is like foot strength, ankle mobility and he does all these really cool exercises. And so I wanted to bring him up as like a shout out today anyways, but he was doing some exercises and breaking down the entire foot and the importance of why you train it a certain way and what we do in regular shoes, how we just put the feet to sleep and we just kill all the dexterity and flexibility and mobility in our feet by these shoes that we've all been wearing for so long. And just reminded me of our partnership with zero. It's like, you know,

this is definitely a trend that you see growing is because more and more people are becoming aware of that. So, you know, I love sneakers. I'm a sneaker head, but I also recognize the purpose of shoes like that and how important it is because otherwise you have weak ass feet. And so his content's really good. So if you haven't seen his stuff, I don't know if you've paid attention. That's one of the biggest like deficit I found in, if I was to go back and train again is to dress early early early a lot earlier and like it, you know, it's usually the root of of all the dysfunction that goes up the kinetic chain and so You know to to get on top of that and really work on a lot of those drills

Is is great. He does a lot of this stuff too with those little platforms I don't know if you saw he has a patent for like is great. He does a lot of the stuff too with those little platforms. I don't know if you saw, he has a patent for like where you place your feet at a slight angle, like a 45 and then inverted and you do squats and you do all that kind of stuff, but it's just challenging the ankles to strengthen within that. This is my goal for my son, right? So I think if I do a good job as a dad of integrating like shoes, like zero shoes, taking his shoes off completely when we're in places that he doesn't need his shoes and doing things like that that challenge it from early age. It just becomes a way of life for him and he'll have good,

strong, stable, mobile feet and ankles because it's all just a part of his life versus just like defaulting to how we all did growing up, which is high top sneakers, lace them up as tight as possible, big two inch heel. I mean like, so I think if I can just integrate that early on in those behaviors and introduce like shoes, like zero shoes to him, so that I think that I will counter a lot of probably the issues that we all probably had to deal with going through with our feet and ankles. So, but yeah, check his stuff out. I mean, his stuff is really good.

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I have to tell you guys that I was able to talk to you about a year ago and that question was more for me and you guys convinced me to go about a year ago. And that question was more for me. And you guys convinced me to go on a reverse diet. I feel like if I hadn't heard that come directly from your guys' mouths, I never would have done it. It was amazing. Like I was sleeping so well, everything you guys talked about,

what would happen happened. And leading up to that, we also talked about how my husband and I were going to try and get pregnant again. And I have no idea if the two are correlated, but maybe being at a little bit higher body fat percentage and reversing into that our first embryo transfer worked. Yeah. Once pregnant.

Congratulations. That's awesome. So just thank you guys. Thank you so much. Oh, that's great. That's so great great. So that's so great to hear. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. So let me go ahead and just read my question. So this one is about a client of mine. So about two months ago, I signed on a client who was recently coming off a prep from her second bikini show. Her goals were to properly reverse diet and train in a

more athletically minded way. We found her maintenance calories and I started her on maps performance. She said that she's loving the different style of training and that she feels stronger in the gym. The problem she's having is that she's constantly telling me that she's feeling fluffy and therefore doubting the process of a slow reverse and adding calories. I've tried reassuring her that this is most likely more of a mental practice and barrier as she's probably used to seeing herself be extremely lean while prepping for a show. She has a trip coming up in a few weeks, end of September, and wants to feel good about

herself while on the trip. While I'm positive she looks great and healthy, I don't want to discredit her feelings or perspective. What would you tell this client if she were yours and would you continue to increase calories or keep her closer to her current maintenance leading up to this trip? Yeah do you know what her body fat percentage is now? I don't. She's pretty lean? Yeah. Yeah. Here's the deal, you don't lie, you stay honest, you say well yeah you are you're gaining body fat.

You're supposed to. We're supposed to gain some body fat, along with some muscle, in this process. Your strength is going up, that's what we're gonna focus on. And what I'm gonna have you do, is I want you to not weigh yourself, and also don't steady yourself in the mirror

like I know you are. So stop taking things off, looking at the mirror, looking at your body from different angles. Try to avoid those triggers. But we're moving in the right direction. And if you ever wanna come back mirror, looking at your body from different angles. Try to avoid those triggers, but we're moving in the right direction. And if you ever wanna come back down, it's gonna be a lot easier. And if we don't do it the right way,

then we can hit some real, real bad, hard plateaus and or big challenges. But when you come out of a show and you reverse diet, and you do it properly, that properly does not mean you don't gain body fat. There's this weird misconception, like, well, if I reverse diet properly, I'll kind of stay the way I looked. No, no, no, you're supposed to gain some body fat coming out of a show. She should be walking around anywhere between 17 to 23 percent body fat to stay healthy.

Competing in a show brings you much lower than that and it's an unhealthy body fat percentage. Just like you experienced yourself, you said you don't know if there's a correlation between gaining some body fat, adding calories, and getting successfully pregnant. There definitely is. 100%, there's a connection with that. In fact, I know many women whose advice from their fertility specialist was,

go gain some body fat because this isn't gonna work. So my point is, she's going to feel fluffier because she's going to get fluffier, and you're supposed to. That's normal. The challenge is in your mind. And I think you're right with that. That is a hundred percent what's going on.

Yeah. You're Karlie. You're, you're on the right track with everything you're doing, everything you're saying. Um, this is when I talk to coaches though, this is the thing that I like to communicate to you out of this is, you know, remember this and because this won't be the last client that you get like this. And one of the most powerful things that we can learn to do as

coaches is when you when another client presents itself like this is forecasting this well before it comes here. So like, let's say when she first hired you, when you start telling her about the process, and then you even say things like, and then what's gonna happen is you're gonna start to feel a little fluffier than what you're used to. And then you even say things like, and then what's going to happen is you're going to start to feel a little fluffier than what you're used to. And then you're going to come to me saying, I'm discouraged and I don't feel like I'm seeing results. And you like literally tell her what she's going to say so that when this moment happens, you can just kind of smile at her as she's saying it. And she's going to go, I know you told me I was going to say this.

And then you go, well, what did I tell you that we need to do, right? So it's much more challenging to overcome it and handle it. When the emotions come up, they weren't ready for it. They weren't sure they were going to feel this way. And now they're there. And then now as a trainer, we're kind of like trying to explain and scramble to define the science that's happening and why we got to stay the course,

versus remembering that this type of client will not be your last one like this, and when you sit down at the very beginning and they enroll with you, is like telling her that this is going to happen. Such an easier obstacle to handle when you set the table that she's gonna tell you those things. It's so powerful because it prepares them.

It prepares them ahead of time so that when it happens, it doesn't feel like you're just trying to counter their feelings. So you can do that now too. You can say, yeah, of course you're gonna feel fluffy because the point is we are trying to gain some body fat along with strength and muscle, and say, so here's what's gonna happen

over the next couple months as we continue on this process. You're gonna feel even bigger. You're gonna start noticing things aren't gonna fit the way they used to and you're gonna start questioning if you're doing the right things. But you're also gonna notice the following.

Better sleep, better mood, better libido. And you're gonna be much stronger. Pay attention to those things, those are all good signs. So you wanna forecast the challenges, but also forecast the positives. Because then she'll be like, oh, you did tell me I'm gonna feel better I am gonna get more sleep my libido is gonna be better but you also told me I'm gonna come to

you and complain cuz I'm gonna feel fluffy okay I was ready for this type of deal so you can still do this by the way because she's still in the beginning process yeah awesome I think the only challenge right now because I have had clients where it's like trust the process trust the process right you're gonna feel this way and going through through it myself helped me forecast that, right? But where she, I think, is now in this mindset of she looks in the mirror, like you said, she's studying, she's not seeing all the lines that she was on stage. And then she has this, you know, trip coming up and she wants to feel confident for this trip.

So should I just keep her at maintenance where she's eating right now, or should I just tell her, keep trusting the process for the next four weeks? Like, this is what you're going to see. What would you guys do with that? How long, how long has she been on the reverse diet? Only two months. So she's eight weeks post show? No, in fact she hired me

Not even coming off the show. When her contract ended with her Previous coach who coached her through the show there was like a few week buffer there. Okay, so how long ago did she finish the show? I would say probably 12 weeks. Okay, so she's 12 weeks post-show, eight weeks reverse dieting with you, four weeks until this trip. And how far up did you get her in calories

from where she was? How much have you guys increased? 200, she was about between 15, 1600, and now she's sitting at about 1800, 200 and 300. She's still too low. You know what? You could play some tricks with water if you want to say, Hey look, I can do a couple of things that make you feel

like you look a little different for your trip. We can drop your carbs, bump your fats, but no, I wouldn't cut her calories. It's so low. Yeah. And even that I would be careful. Because she's so low, I would communicate this way. It's like, Hey, I could cut you to an unhealthy place. We got to start this back over and we can, and we can, you know, lean

out a tiny bit before you go on this, just so you can feel, I guess, better for a little bit. But then we're only setting ourselves back, you know, this many more steps. And so that's only extending how much longer you're going to need me to coach you through this. So if you really think that's a good idea, I don't. If you ask me what I think we should do as your coach, I think we should trust the process, keep going the direction we're going. But we're far from a healthy place

metabolically to be putting you right back into a cut. So I would communicate. It would be different if you already had her up to say, like, 2,400, 2,500 calories or something like that already. No. Yeah. Because then maybe I go, oh, you know what? Let's run around a cut for four weeks, down to 2,400, 2,500 calories or something like that already? No, no. Yeah, you know what? Because then maybe I go, oh, you know what?

Let's run around a cut for four weeks, you know? Down to 2,000 and- And I never even thought about cutting her. I wanted to just keep her. Let's just keep you eating right here because she was so low already. I'll tell you something, okay? She can also grow into a slight cut.

And what I mean by that is if you add a little muscle on her body, her percentage will go down, she'll see a little more definition. To be quite honest with you, it would be smarter to continue to reverse her up into the trip. Because at 1800 calories, if she goes on the trip and decides to eat whatever she wants,

she's gonna come back and it's gonna mentally really screw her, so I would actually say to her, you know what, here's what I wanna do with you. I wanna build a little muscle leading up to your trip. And so I'm gonna actually put you on another reverse. You're at 1800, I'm gonna bring you up to 1950 and we're gonna stay there until, yeah, that's what I would do.

Because she's gonna go into this trip at 1800 at maintenance, you know, not necessarily a good place to be. Now how did you land her as a client considering she was with somebody else? Was she unhappy with how her diet was put together and then you got a hold of her? How'd that happen? No, so I actually knew her through college softball.

We both played college softball. I was just a few years ahead of her. And so she's always kind of followed me and I'll be honest, I was very nervous when she messaged me. I was like, I don't coach, or at least I haven't coached anybody for a show, right? And she's like, no, no, no, I just want a reverse diet. I see what you're preaching and that's what I wanna do.

And I'm like, okay. So that's how she found me is because I'm not coaching her for a show. I kind of specialize in the reverse diets and the strength building, especially for women. Yeah, I would just lean into that up to her trip. Yep, yep. Okay, awesome.

And what should I communicate? Like, whenever she tells me, yeah, I'm just feeling fluffy. That's normal. Say that's normal. Like, as soon as she said that, that's totally normal. Of course you do. That's what I would say.

Oh yeah, of course you do. Yep, very normal. Yeah, you're in up to 300 calories. You're not in this super depleted state. Body's holding more water. It's totally normal. Of course you do. That's what I would say. Oh yeah, of course you do. Yep, very normal. Yeah, you went up in 300 calories. You're not in this super depleted state. Yeah, body's holding more water. It's all normal, all part of the process. And reminding her that this is why so many fail at reverse dieting because psychologically

it messes with their head and then they revert back to old behaviors. And so, hey, that's part of why you hired me is I'm gonna help you through this process and lean on me I can be your soundboard every time you get discouraged like that reach out to me and I'll remind you that hey you're doing good this is this is part of the process stay the course by the way there's two ways to get more definition one is to lose body fat the other is to build muscle so you can also say hey you know what I'd rather do with you let's see if we can gain three pounds of lean body mass in the next four weeks that'll give you more definition and a faster metabolism

so you can have more fun on your trip. Awesome. And she just started week seven of MAPS performance. So that'll finish before her trip. What would you guys recommend that I put her into next? Ooh. How about like a stronger power lift? MAPS anabolic, strong power lift.

Those are all good options. Symmetry, that's a good option too. Yeah. I especially think where she's an ex athlete, yeah, I think she'd have a lot of fun with that. They can just go strong. Do you have that program? I don't.

All right. You do now. We'll send it to you. Thank you, guys. Thank you so much. I might use it for myself too. Yeah, you got it. Awesome.

You got it. Hey, and congratulations again. Yeah, yeah. Exciting. Thank you guys so much. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. I might use it for myself too. Yeah, you got it. Awesome. You got it Hey and congratulations again. Yeah. Yeah exciting. Thank you guys so much. Thank you. Thanks Carly You know, I got to say this people think they're gonna achieve us a certain level of happiness when they go on a trip and They change their body a little bit. They think oh my god If I go on that trip and I look this much better, it's going to make the whole experience so much better. That's not true. The truth is the experience of the vacation comes from the experience of vacation. The people you're with, the connection, the enjoyment, the being present. I've done both. I've been on trips where

I'm ultra conscious of myself and others when I'm not. I tell you what, it's way more enjoyable when I'm not. Way more enjoyable. You just end up looking for approval from other people and it ruins the whole experience. Totally. Our next caller is Jennifer from California. Hi Jennifer. Hi Jennifer.

How can we help you? What's happening? Hi guys, thank you for taking my call. This is in regards to my son. So I'm gonna try not to move. I'm on my break at work and this is the only spot I have service. So bear with me.

All right, let's get it. Um, okay. So I can't read off of my question, but memory, um, my son, he's 15 years old. He played these high school sports. He's in basketball and he, every time after his games, um, he's very competitive. So every time after his games, he's very competitive. So every time after his games, he's been getting really bad muscle spasms and they're mainly in the hamstrings.

He does have Oshkosh slaughters in his knees as well. So it's just pretty painful for him. I try, I mean, I'm a nutrition coach. I am a personal trainer. And so I try to instill in him the importance of hydration, electrolytes, food, like all of the fun stuff. But I'm his mom. So he doesn't want to listen to me half the time.

So I guess my question is just how would you guys go about just trying to explain the importance? The sports doctors at a school say that he should go to the doctors. I don't think the doctors are going to do anything. I really think it's just dehydrated muscles from the way that he talks about it and the fact that it only happens after games. So I don't know, I kind of brought it here. I was hoping to have him with me, but school started. We weren't able to get in during summertime with you guys unfortunately so I was like well I'll record it and hopefully he'll be able to just watch it. Yeah great. You can play it for him. You're probably right. Yeah I think you're right. You're probably right that it's some dehydration electrolyte and balance so I

would go you know before his game I would have him drink a lot of water with electrolytes in it before the game. And then during the game in his water bottle, I'll put that in there. The other thing too, is that spasms can also sometimes come from muscle imbalances, or at least they can contribute. So for, you mentioned Osgood Slaughter, you mentioned basketball his age, I would look at his ankle mobility and his hip mobility. Those two areas, when those are kind of off, you tend to see issues in the hamstrings. So if you have MAPS Prime Pro,

I would look at some of the hip movements in there and ankle movements, and he can do those as quote unquote warmups before the game. And that would actually improve his performance as well. He'll find that he can run faster jump higher and this is all true And the reason why I'm saying this is I'm also selling it because I hope he watches this and I know how 15 year olds You know how to sell them. It's like yeah, you'll get less cramps But you'll also play better

If you do the electrolytes and you do some of the some of the hip and ankle mobility if you can prime and do Some priming movements for his ankles and his hips, it's gonna make a tremendous difference. I mean, even just, we had a lot of shin splints and doing tibialis raises ahead of time and then hydrating and making sure we had like LMNT and we were making sure the athletes were hydrated, you know,

and had electrolytes, it made the whole experience so much better for them. And plus they played better because their endurance and their stamina weren't quite as affected. So yeah, any way you can sell him on the fact that his performance is really going to increase, that's really the angle I'd always take, especially with mobility with a lot of the athletes.

Yeah, I don't have much to add than the boys have already said. The only thing I would add is if he's not already following our friend Paul Fabritz, PGAF Performance, he's gotta follow him. I think he's the, probably the elite best trainer, coach for basketball in particular. Yeah, I agree.

He's been on our show before. Okay. He has incredible content on social media, so on Instagram, YouTube, he's got a podcast. I mean, he's trained some of the best NBA athletes and he's brilliant. And so if he's not following his, and he definitely understands the importance

of mobility drills and priming before he gets in. So he'll get a lot. Maybe seeing some of the pro athletes he works with, he'll get incentivized. Like, you know, sometimes it takes that, like for a young athlete is to see, you know, one of the pros doing it. Have you tried element?

Oh, 100%. Um, so we haven't tried it with him. No, I used to take it. I mean, I take it religiously. Um, I, he wasn't a fan of how salty it was. I mean, honestly, it is a lot. Um, but he does like the liquid IVs, but I just hate, I mean, I hate all the additives in it. Yeah, You could just add more water or put less. I was gonna say half like, yeah, my, my, put in a big ass jug of water. Yeah. He'll get used to it.

Okay. Yeah. We'll go ahead and try that. Yeah. Cause like guys, he wants to go, I mean, he wants to go professional. So I'm like, dude, you're already a sophomore. He's a sophomore now. He's starting his second year in high school.

So I'm like, you gotta get it together now. You gotta take care of your body. No, that's, hey, I tell you what. Exactly. I tell you what, that's the difference between kids now and the ones that go all the way, not only do they have the athletic ability and gift and the work ethic,

but then they're now also getting on this stuff. It's like, it's so competitive now that you can't just rely on your talent and just your work I think you also got to put the work into the the rehabbing and the recovery Preventative stuff all that stuff. I mean, that's what these the the kids now that are coming out of high school They have already built these disciplines and now it's a it's a different It's a different monster today than it was 20 years ago And so you can't just be a talented kid and go all the way you You got to be willing to put all this extra work in if you're going

to be that successful. Yeah, no, that's perfect. I appreciate that, guys. That's really good advice. And then I'll definitely, I have Prime. I don't have Prime Pro. But I can get that. So- We'll send it to you. Does, is Prime, oh, okay. Oh, thank you guys. I appreciate that. Um, but I can get that. So we'll send it to you. Does is prime. Oh, okay. Oh, thank you guys. I appreciate that. Yeah. I'll get them on that. So ankle and hip mobility is going to be huge for the hamstrings. You're saying, yes, you're going to do ankle and hip mobility, uh, about for 10, 15 minutes before he does any like hard physical activity, any basketball for sure.

Okay. Okay. Awesome. I appreciate it. I do have them on maps performance now too. So I'll throw I'll throw prime pro in there as well. So awesome. Good for you. Awesome. That's great, Jennifer. Thank you guys. I'm gonna make sure he listens to this. Because like I said, doesn't always listen to mom, but maybe we got you. We got you get him fall on Paul fabrics. PGA. What's his name? So we can shout them out.

Jason Clark. he's number one Listen your mom Thanks guys, I appreciate you Fifteen teenage boy don't listen your mom California this is that California California. Yeah is, you know what I mean? That's just how I feel. California, is that where she's from? Are you thinking the same thing I'm thinking? She's a parentite. Have him listen to the show live.

Bring him on. Oh, that's not what I was thinking. Oh, okay. That's what I'm thinking. Sure. Out of the house, that's what I was thinking. I mean, I don't even know if we're the type of content, that's why I said Paul Fabritz. I mean, I remember being a 15 year old kid

obsessed about my sport, things like that. I wouldn't want to listen to a guy like that. I wouldn't listen to you guys. We're a bunch of fitness, health, old dudes. We're not as excited. But Paul Fabritz, 100%, I would be watching his content. Corey Schlesinger would be a good follow up too. Our next caller is Lee from California.

What's up, man? How can we help you? Hey, what's happening? Hi, guys. How's it going man? Hey, what's happening? How's it going? It's kind of surreal to be on. Thanks so much for taking my call. Thank you, man. So, um, you know, I'll read it off the email.

I promised myself I wouldn't say that, but I did. So, um, you know, I find myself, um, uh, going to you for fitness advice, really excellent fitness advice. And I've been on the fitness journey for quite a while as a lot have been. And the more and more that I listen to you guys, and I haven't been a listener for too long, maybe the last six months to a year or so, but certainly not as much as most. But I find myself relating to you guys a lot when it comes to kids. And you guys always, um, you know, talk about that and, and just your, you know, a lot of your personal life, which I really enjoy listening to you other than the fitness stuff.

So, um, you know, to kind of sum up everything and, um, you know, I'm listening to your episode on throwing away the scale and I couldn't agree more. My day severely affected when I weigh in and I don't see a loss, even when I do see a good amount of loss, I think that I make an excuse and it's probably just water weight and it'll be back next week if I'm not careful, which stresses me out to keep things going.

Before weighing days, I'll eat less and I'll cut my food. I think Sal had talked about something like this so you'd have a good number in the morning. My scale does calculate body fat and muscle mass, so I'm more okay when I see the body fat go down, even if I'm staying with the same weight, but then also disappointed again when the muscle mass is the same or slightly higher, you know, just by fractions. My question regarding that is, you know, I have a scale that calculates for body fat and muscle mass is using the muscle mass percentage of better indicator than weight alone. How accurate can that home scale be versus a body scan? Or should

I keep the scale away even if it calculates for body fat or muscle mass? You definitely don't want to judge your results based off of what that scale says morning to morning, that's for sure. Because the slightest bit of difference in hydration will change the body fat reading on that. So if you had more water through the night or the night before or had 50 more grams of carbohydrates,

those little things will actually pick up different on that scale. And it can make the difference of you looking like you gained a half a pound of muscle or lost a half a pound of muscle. So day to day, I don't like it at all. Trends over weeks, like, okay, I checked my body fat. Two weeks, these next two weeks, I'm being super dialed and consistent. I'm doing all the things. All right in two weeks did it go up or down and what direction is it going? And then even then I'm not hung up on the exact percentage It's just is it is it moving in the right direction based off the variables that I've changed in my training in my diet That's how I'm using that. I'm not allowing the number on it to

Necessarily dictate whether that's good or bad, especially day to day. I would definitely want at least two to four weeks in between to gauge if it's heading in the right direction. That's what matters more than anything. Based off of what you already said about how you feel and react and respond and the behaviors that you have leading up to the weigh-in, I don't think you should weigh or track or measure at all, really. Yeah don't think you should weigh or track or measure at all really. Yeah I think you should just not. It's causing you, it's actually reducing the quality of your life and I think you would agree with me when I say

that. So I think you should get rid of it completely. Now you're not going to be able to get rid of it and then focus on nothing. So I'm going to move you in a different direction or at least change your focus to something that's better, not perfect but better. I think you should focus on your performance. So measure your progress by your strength, your stamina, your stability, your mobility, learning new movements. Start focusing on performance and stop weighing yourself, stop weighing your food, stop tracking everything so diligently because it's causing you, it's not healthy for you or at least it's not

causing you to become healthier in the context of quality of life. It's reducing it. What do you say to your kids when they ask you what you're doing? Yeah, so that kind of ties into my next question and that's exactly why listening to you guys talk about kids is so important. You know, I have two young ones, six year old and a two year old. Two year old doesn't notice much. The six year old noticing more. I used to count calories religiously, I lost about 60 pounds in the past this way with a, you know, once very popular intense workout routine that I don't do anymore. I now have two kids and my wife is very conscious about the way I eat and train in front of them. She once banned me from using the scale to weigh my food and tracking because she doesn't want to send the wrong signals to the littles. So, you know, I wanted to throw it back to you. What I say

when the kids noticing me using the scale is I tell them, you know, that I am, you know, wearing this to make sure that, you know, daddy's getting enough nutrients that I'm, that I'm, you know, making myself as strong as I can be without taking, you know, there's no talk of macros or calories or, or, you know, I'll say protein, but I definitely won't say things like fat. But, you know, I really just say, I'm just doing this. So I make sure that I'm meeting all the right things to stay healthy for you guys. But I don't know if there's a subliminal thing where That's a good, that's a good answer. That's a good answer and response. I think you just

have to have the self-awareness about yourself. Like, do you weigh, do you wear it on your face? Like it obviously looks like daddy is stressed out why he does it, or can you do it in a joyful manner and enjoy the process and they ask you and you can respond that way? I mean, that's the only thing I would ask you. Even beyond that though, your words are so much less powerful than just your actions

and what you show that you prioritize. So if you look in the mirror all the time, if you're always checking yourself in the mirror, what your kid sees is the reflection is important. If you're weighing your food all the time, what the kid sees is we need to measure and weigh our food, that our food requires this kind of diligent focus. So it's probably not good for them

to see you do that all the time, even though you're explaining it well with your words, you know, it's a six year old and a two year old, you know, they feel feelings more than they understand words. So I think your wife is right, especially if she's noticing the same thing, so I think constantly weighing your food in front of the kids is probably sending the message

that this is what you do with your food all the time. And you've heard us talk about this. That's not a great way to live. I mean there's times when that's important but to be this way all the time probably not. Yeah you know I find myself being lost you know I think for the last year I didn't wear anything. I didn't weigh myself. I didn't weigh my food. I was mindful of things and I don't weigh myself or I didn't weigh myself. I didn't weigh my food. I was, I was mindful of things and, um, I don't, I don't weigh myself or I didn't weigh myself often. I'll right now, maybe go two weeks between weigh-ins, but you know, it's kind of one of those things where, um, you know, I look in the mirror,

I feel strong, I feel like I look strong. And then, and then, you know, I kind of get on the scale and it kind of tells me the opposite. So sometimes they find that I'm- It's not telling you the opposite. You're stronger, you feel good. The scale's telling you nothing, it's just telling you, wait. You think it's telling you the opposite

because you have a bad relationship with it, which I understand completely. Let me ask you this, does the cycle look like this? Okay, I'm gonna go for a long time, I'm not gonna wait my way, I'm not gonna pay attention. While I'm feeling good, I'm feeling good. Oh, let me like this? Okay, I'm gonna go for a long time, I'm not gonna weigh my weight, I'm not gonna pay attention, while I'm feeling good, I'm feeling good, oh, let me just check.

Okay, let me check again, oh, let me check again, and then it makes its way in as a regular routine again. Is that what it looks like? Yes, and since I wrote this email, I wasn't weighing, and since then I am weighing again. And the problem with that is because now I'm seeing progress, now I'm seeing progress. Now I'm seeing the muscle mass go up and the body fat percentage go down and the overall

weight going down. But for the more important quality of life thing, I think that's probably moving in the wrong direction, if I was honest with myself. My wife, it sounds really weird, but my wife, it sounds, it's gonna sound really weird, but my wife made spaghetti and meat sauce last night. And it wasn't planned, right? It wasn't planned in my meal preps and my calorie intake for the day. And I kind of like, freaked out, I glitched out, I found myself asking my wife what was in it, so I could log it. So I couldn't even enjoy the, the spaghetti. I was like, what's in it? How much is it?

How many servings do I think this is? Lee, this is not a calorie, a weight thing at all. This is at this point, it's becoming like a control and there's deeper things that we need to get to the bottom of. We definitely need to get rid of the scale. You need to not be doing that at all. You got to stay off that. I mean, I'm looking at you right now on this video and you look pretty damn healthy to me. And so you already are in a good place. And so if your weight went up or down five pounds north or south, you would still be healthy, bro. You're already- She'll out the fluctuate anyway a little bit. You got to listen to the episodes we did with Arthur Brooks. He's a Harvard professor, he's an expert on happiness.

And he once gave me this analogy. He said you could take somebody who's on a scale of one to 10 in terms of attractiveness, let's say they're at a five, and then they spend all their time and energy getting from a five to a nine, it would barely register in improvement in quality of life. The improvement in quality of life from health and fitness, you know where that comes from?

Being unhealthy to healthy. But to go from healthy to what is considered beautiful or aesthetic or what would be on a magazine or whatever, there is no difference. In fact, what you tend to see is a negative correlation. You tend to see people go from healthy to shredded, ripped, looking what would be considered the ideal of beauty, and they have a drop in quality of life.

There's a negative relationship there. So if you're saying, and you're admitting here that your quality of life is going down, then you have an unhealthy attachment to the scale. And so you have to break that. You have to break up with this abusive relationship. And I don't think there's gonna be a normal dose for you. I think at this moment, the dose is zero. Just don't think there's a, there's a, there's going to be a normal dose for you. I think at this moment, the dose is zero.

Just don't do it. Yeah. You got it. You got to get rid of it completely. Get rid of the weighing, get rid of the weighing yourself. Um, and, and it sounds like you make pretty good choices. So you got a good partner too, which is lean on her. Sounds like she sounds like she's sound like she's got a pretty

good head on her, on her, on her shoulders. You've been telling me for a long time to throw all that stuff out. And, uh, you know, I said, you know, once I get, you know, I got a barbell in it and you know, squat rack and all that stuff, you know, once you get that, then, then throw away the scale and this, that and the other. And, and, uh, I did for a while, you know, and then I came back around to it. What program are you following? Can I give you a strength program that you just focus on your strength for a while?

Yeah, you know, I'm in phase three of anabolic right now. With my calorie cut, I'm kind of finding the volume Too high. A little high, but you know, I'm only at 1800 calories. Oh yeah, here's what I want. I'm gonna send you maps power lift if you don't have it and then I want you to get strong yeah forget about the scale you're gonna focus just on strength get strong how strong can you get take that

obsession move it to strength that's gonna serve you way better all right I appreciate that and the way cuz you're we're not weighing and we're not measuring food anymore the way you decide how to eat is based off of strength and energy. That's right. So when you feel like you're low energy, you're low strength, feed that body. If you feel great, maintain where you're at. That's how you decide more or less of whatever it is you're doing.

But get rid of weighing the food and all that shit too. All right. All right, Lee. It's gone. I want to hear back from you in a couple of months. 30, 60 days, check back in with us. I appreciate it. All right, Lee. I want to hear back from you in a couple months, all right? 30, 60 days. Check back in with us. I appreciate it. All right, Lee. Thank you. Good luck, man. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Good self-awareness. I know. To say that is quality life right now. Yeah, yeah, no. Great self-awareness. You know, what he said to his kids is, because

let's be honest, okay, there's going to be a lot of people people listening right now I want and I don't want to freak them all out because they weigh and they have kids like oh shit I'm fucking up like right now that's not it like and what he said I think is really good but to the point you were making and what I was searching for when I asked him like does does does he put that off his face you could say the right thing but your kids are so in tune to your mom and dad's energy And if your energy says I'm doing this because I'm stressed out, but I say the right thing. Hey kids I'm doing this for my nutrition, but inside I'm going oh my god spaghetti story was the real

That's why he said that I'm like, oh my god. Yes, you gotta go this way So kids are they're actually more perceptive way more changes in energy That is their way of communicating for most of their life. Hyper aware of it. If you're two and six years old, more of your life has been trying to read and feel energy in the room. Yeah, because you don't have language.

Understanding language. So if you put that energy, which is by the way too, I mean it's just a testament too, to what happens to kids when a couple is fighting and so that maybe- We're fine, we're fine. Yeah, maybe you don't scream at each other in front of your kids, but if you're constantly fighting and you have that energy towards each other,

to think your kids don't pick up on that is crazy. That's right. No different than when we're talking about nutrition. If you have a major issue with scale and weighing and you have all these fears and like, boy, they're gonna pick up. At the very least, you call it out. At the very least, you go, go, daddy has a, you know,

I do this and it just, it doesn't make me feel good and I'm trying to stop it. Like at least call it out, cause they feel it and when they feel it and it doesn't match the words it's very confusing. Our next caller is Vanessa from New York. Hi Vanessa. Hi.

How are you? Wow, Adam has all the energy. Oh my God. How you doing? What a privilege. Oh my God. I'm great. I'm great. I've been looking forward to this all day.

All right. Thank you so much. What you got for us? All right. I'm just going to read what I have, if that's okay. Yeah, sure. Okay. I'm so excited.

Okay. I'm 43. I have a four year old son. I was a CrossFitter in my 20s and early 30s. And since then I found an amazing gym that's not CrossFit that has transformed my body and life and is called OG. Shout out to them. It's literally my sanctuary and release and all of us muscle mommies we feel like will

be divorced by how much we go to the gym, but I know that you all can relate. I've never had any trouble meeting my protein intake. In fact, I usually go over. I put on plenty of muscle, but for someone who works out four to five days per week, I'm not seeing the results I used to be able to obtain so easily. I'm also hungrier and I find it hard to balance my eating. After your peptide episode months ago, I was on a mission to find a doctor that would supply this. I was desperate to try something to help me get over this hump.

I have some underlying stuff, lupus, blood clots, et cetera, but nothing that has ever stopped my life and nothing that I really have ever shared, but it makes doctors not wanna take a chance on me. The doctor at this unmentioned place finally succumbed and started me on Somerlin. And I was on it for almost four months and had zero results. No weight loss, no muscle gain. Is that normal?

I started to ask the other older women at my gym what they've been using who are strikingly muscular. Some of them are on testosterone. There's so much out there. I'm looking for a small shortcut here as I age and I'm still putting in the work. I just need more help than I used to. Is there any advice you could offer in this area? What do you think I could try to help my body change again?

Okay. So did you get a full hormone panel so you could look at everything besides just the Samaritan? I didn't, I, I did, I'll admit, um, dabble with transcend your, um, that company that you guys promote. Um, when I found out the cost of everything, I didn't, I didn't go forward with that. Um, that was my next step was to ask, um, you know, when I go to my gynecologist next,

I was gonna see if I can go that route with her, but I have not had like a full panel done of like formal. You're really fit. Yeah, you look really good. You look really fit. I think it's all in your head. Yeah. You look amazing.

No, I. Listen. Unless you Photoshopped those pictures before you sent them to us. Yeah, you know. There's filter, there's filter on there. Listen, you gotta, I would do a- I can stand up, I mean, I mean, I'm not, shot those pictures before you sent them to us. There's this filter on there. Listen, you got to...

I can stand up. I mean, I'm not... I look probably thinner here. I'm thick. I have a pretty thick bottom. You look very healthy and very fit. And you look strong. Yeah, you look like you're at a good body fat percent. So, you could do a hormone panel. You don't have to do it with a longevity spec. Just get a hormone panel, see where your testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, DHEA,

thyroid, see where those are at. If they're not off, then you don't need anything. If they're a little off, a little hormone therapy at your age tends to produce some results. The Samaritan that you went on raises IGF-1, but people think raising IGF-1 is gonna produce these miraculous effects. It takes like a year before you really start to notice benefits of having higher IGF-1. I mean, even people taking growth hormone

will tell you that. And it's small, it's not like huge. Yeah, testosterone will give you much bigger effect, but even that's not a miracle, and some women don't feel great when they supplement with testosterone, especially if you're not outside of range. So I would do the hormone panel, look at it,

and then look in the regular places, diet, exercise, sleep. Are you stronger in the gym? How's your performance? I mean, I would say stronger in some aspects, like my back squat, if I aspects, like my back squat. If I told you why he backs quitted, it wasn't anything crazy. Um, I mean, this week he had the bands on the bars to do back squat, the stretch bands, so I wasn't lifting that much, but I think my max is like one 15 that I

could back squat honestly, that's it. So I have some questions and some theories here. If you have a background of being an ex CrossFit girl, typically it's hard for me to get my CrossFit girls and mommies like this to completely go to the other direction. So what does this training facility look like? Is it group training and is it like, what's it look like?

Tell me a little bit about this awesome place that we like so much. Well, it goes a little against what you believe in just a little. Okay. Okay, let's hear it. So Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday are strength days. Tuesday like day, Wednesday is a push day, Thursday is a pull day. And they are really geared, there's really minimal cardio, if any, like sometimes there's just a little bit of running and sled pushing and stuff like that mixed in. But a lot of it is heavy weight, slow, you know, see there's six to eight rep, eight to 12 rep, heavy weight lifting. And you're resting?

What are the rest periods look like when they do that? Well, this week I didn't have a partner so I got to really rest. But sometimes when you have a partner you feel a little bit of pressure to keep it moving, you know, not wait more than 30 seconds. But when I was by myself this week, early morning, I rested for like over a minute before my next set, like when I felt good to go again. Vanessa, I think we can solve this for you.

Yeah, it's your workout. It's your workout. I know you don't want to hear that because you like the community and you like the class and it was probably better for you than CrossFit was, but you got the physique, man. You've got the body to build muscle, to lean out, to do all the things that you want to do.

And by the way, if I was training you, you'd absolutely be squatting more than you're squatting too, because I can see you are strong. You have muscle. But I mean, when you train and you have short rest periods, even if the weight is heavy relative to the things that we're doing, if you do these short rest periods, you're not getting the same benefits as if I had you sit down and rest for three minutes,

and then I added another ten, another ten minutes to the, or another ten pounds of bar, and then I let you rest again for three minutes, and then we had another, it's such a different way of training. And then I know you're saying that it's mostly strength training with a little bit of sled pushing and a little bit of cardio mixing, but this is what turns it into more like circuit training than it is like pure true strength training. And then you're probably going to tell me the other two days is more cardio focus is where I'm guessing is going here. So, okay, I mean, if you would just follow a MAPS anabolic protocol or Muscle Mommy, by the way, we wrote a program for you.

Okay. You use, if you follow the program as it's laid out, meaning following it to a T, meaning not doing anything, nothing additional to it and resting as long as you put it, I swear to God, you're going to see a difference. Yeah. You'll notice a difference. That's the good news is like you can still move the needle and get substantial results if you just change the format.

And I want it, because I know there's people that are screaming right now because this is always offensive to everybody for some reason, but I'm not attacking. It's not that there's something wrong with program. It's just wrong for you and where you're at and what you're trying to accomplish. Your body is so adapted to that crossfit style of training,

you've already reaped most of the benefits from that style of training that you're going to get. We need to move as far away from that as we can to send a signal to your body that is going to change the way you want it to change. You gotta learn how to change the change. Or this, Vanessa, because here this is also OK. When I have a client like you, I say this to you.

I remind them, you look awesome. You're in great shape. You love this class. Let's keep doing it. But just accept, accept. You're not going to keep making these changes that you want for your seat. I'm OK with either one as your coach.

Like, I would never tell somebody who loves this class, is happy with where they're at physique wise, and just want to and say you're doing something healthy for you. It's not bad. But if you came to me and you hired me and you said I want to make change Adam, I want to drop a couple more percent body fat or I want to get a little bit stronger. If you came to me with wanting this, then I say to you we're doing the wrong things. That's what I say to you. But it doesn't mean that what you're doing is not healthy and isn't good. It is. And that's why you look great. You look good. It's just not ideal for your goals.

Look, if you like the class, you like the social component, and you're okay with it, they keep going. But if you're like, no, I really want to see these results, you're going to have to train differently for sure. Well, for sure. No, my husband, who goes to a regular gym, will say the same thing. I just, I think I'm intimidated. I haven't stepped foot in a regular gym. And I don't even

know more than 10 years. So I don't even know what the machines do at this point. You don't need any machine. You know how to squat deadlift press or we're gonna send you muscle mommy so you have it follow it. I hope to God you you open it and you follow it. It's your format. We're gonna send it to you. Okay. I'm telling you right now. That's the answer. The answer is and it's literally as simple as, and in the hardest part, don't you dare do anything else

in addition to it, follow it the way it's laid out. Follow it to a T, don't add anything extra, do that. And try and get stronger, okay? And watch what happens. Yes. Watch what happens, you feel like magic. And I've been saying this advice a lot lately and I just wanna repeat this to you because this will be a challenge in the program

There's gonna be times where it says, you know do five reps of back squats or do ten reps. Whatever it is I care more that you add more weight to the bar than I care if you get to the reps So if it's on a phase where it says do five reps and you're like, oh I can do I can do that Probably easily a 100 pounds. So you put 100 pounds. I'm going to go, no, no, no, no. I want you to put more than you think. And if you only get to three reps, I'd rather that than you choose a weight that you get

to five. So keep that in mind as you go through the program. That's the mindset I want you to have as you go through this. And if you follow this the way it's laid out, you hit your protein intake, which sounds like you do easily, I'm going to change your physique. I promise you. Okay. All right. All right. I will do it. Yep. I want you to circle back and check with me. Okay. Is that going to, okay. All right. Yeah, for sure. All right. Thank you guys.

Thank you for the muscle mommies. I appreciate it. All right. All right. Thank you guys. Thank you for the muscle mommies. I appreciate it. All right. All right She knew Right right away. Oh, no, he's on to me and here we do strength training. You use weights. Yes I smelt Orange Theory f-45 all over her. So here here's the thing though and I want to I want to I want to repeat this so so because I know that everybody who if you're if you're taking one of those you get defensive right away it's like listen if you're happy with where your physique is at and you don't want to make change and

you love the class you know I would never change that right I would tell you hell yes keep doing it because you know why it is healthy for her yeah she is got muscle. She does look good. You don't need, but if you come to me as the professional and say, Adam, I want to do, I want to change my physique. I want more body fat percentage-wise. I want more muscle.

Then I'm going to tell you, it's the wrong fucking thing from you. And I don't know why that is so hard for people to wrap their brain. It gets so defensive with that. Like I'm attacking their workout routine. They don't want to move the needle in their comfort zone. Yeah.

It's like, it's not going to work like that. Yeah. You've got, we have to move away from that. And I knew it because she come from a CrossFit background. It's always really difficult to take somebody to go the other extreme. Rarely does it happen. Normally it's like. She took a couple little steps.

Yes. And by the way, did you hear her? She saw a world of a difference. difference just needs to keep going that direction like a scale yeah you just gotta keep moving that keep going and you'll and you'll see even more results I promise look if you like mind pump come find us on Instagram Justin is that mind pump Justin I'm at my pump to Stefan Owen Adams at mind pump Adam thank you for listening to mind pump if your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy,

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