Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2434: The One MUST-DO Hack to Getting Lean & Healthy If You’re Starting at 30% Body Fat (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:01:45 All right, here comes the show. If you're at 30% body fat, here is one must-do hack that will improve your health and get you leaner. You ready? When you're eating your meals, eat the protein first, then eat the vegetables, and then eat the rest. That simple eating order tends to cause people to eat less. In fact, it's pretty successful. My experience, it works almost every time.

Starting point is 00:02:07 And most people at 30% body fat will see a significant reduction in body fat from simply doing that. So again, when you're looking at your plate, eat all the protein first, then eat the vegetables, then eat the rest. You can't have your pudding if you don't eat your meat. Ooh.

Starting point is 00:02:22 Is that from a movie? No, that's a song. Pink Floyd, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Did you know that? Did you guys talk about a movie? No, that's a song Wow, yeah Thought of that cuz he said did you know that Doug I did know all the bricks in the wall Sorry, yeah, you're out of the loop. So what do you so what do you guys think about this? This one thing right? I mean first off let me very effective. Here's why I think it here's why I think it works All right, I feel like I know it works When you first off protein is the most

Starting point is 00:02:50 Satiety producing of the macronutrients. So if you're looking at your plate and let's say you've got meat Potatoes and then you've got spinach. Okay, if you eat the meat first the protein kicks that satiety signal in If you eat the meat first, the protein kicks that satiety signal in the strongest. Then you move to the next satiety producing thing on your plate, which tends to be the fiber. So now you're eating your vegetables. And vegetables, aside from maybe starchy ones, so I'm not speaking for the starchy vegetables, I'm talking about the non-starchy kind of low calorie vegetables, it's another way to fill up your stomach, get the fiber, and it's also very low calorie.

Starting point is 00:03:23 Then by the time you're done with those two things, your appetite tends to be significantly reduced to eat the rest. And so what happens when you eat this order, in my experience, this one thing right here, my clients would end up eating a good three, 400 calories a less a day just from doing this. So I didn't tell them to change necessarily their eating,

Starting point is 00:03:42 I just told them eat this order, and it almost always resulted in weight loss. So that's all the science to support why you do this. I think the most powerful part of this is the behavioral psychology piece, because I'm not telling myself I can't have those tasty carbs, or I can't have that dessert, I can't have that thing.

Starting point is 00:04:01 All I'm saying to myself is, hey, just eat this first. And there's, I mean, I've played this game with myself. I mean, I'll't have that thing. All I'm saying to myself is, hey just eat this first. And there's, I mean I played this game with myself. I mean I'll go into a meal and I'm like, oh man those french fries or that thing looks really good. It's like, okay I'm first gonna, in fact I did this not that long ago where we had ordered five guys and I had the, I had lettuce wraps right, so I got two of them and I was like, but I really was craving the french fries. That's like what I wanted. I was like, I haven't had french fries in a long time. French fries sound really good. It was like a Friday night and I was like but I really was craving the french fries that's like what I want I was like I haven't had french fries in a long time I'm like french fries sound really good it was like a friday night and I was like this is this is the treat right and I'm like I shouldn't you know

Starting point is 00:04:32 I'm getting ready to get this was right before I started my thing right I'm like I'm getting ready to start that this isn't going to help that cause at all I'm like you know what no I'm going to but I'll just eat that first and then and then sure shit what ends up happening is after I eat those two big old you know burger wraps I'm so full I mean I had a couple fries yeah and then that was it versus if I would have went right for the thing that I was like craving at that time and started eating that or eating it simultaneously with it I would eat at least double if not triple the fries and the other part that is like happens too is because you fill up on that you don't hit your protein intake and then I would then I would have missed that so it's a double whammy you over consume on

Starting point is 00:05:11 calories you get all those carbs and you under consume on protein and simply by just saying hey I'm not gonna tell myself I can't have that I'm just gonna prioritize this and then hey if I'm still craving those french fries I'm gonna enjoy a handful of them just do the opposite of what I learned in the restaurant industry. Yes. Honestly, it was like, I mean, because I'm always trying to sell product.

Starting point is 00:05:32 And that's what I figured out is like, if I could increase the check, I'm going to increase my tip. I'm going to increase the amount of money I'm taking away. So let's go ahead and make sure we get chips, bread, these snacky foods ahead of time with the appetizers that are like carb heavy, and that's gonna stimulate more of the appetite, and then the drinks and everything else that's gonna kinda help to promote a little bit of that novelty element,

Starting point is 00:05:58 and then you can keep stacking and alternating the different types of food items. Even though they're stuffed, you throw in the dessert. Still room for dessert, because it's a totally different novel stimulus. Okay, so what you're saying right now, Justin, really taps into some brilliance, because if you look at traditional eating order,

Starting point is 00:06:18 okay, so I'll talk about my family's culture. So my family comes from Italy. My parents were born in Italy. And when we would eat meals, and we would have multi-course meals, often my mom cooked everything, you would always start with the pasta. We would never eat meat first.

Starting point is 00:06:34 Meat never came first. It was always pasta first. Then we would move on, and then by the second or third course, someone would have the meat or fish. Now why do they eat that way? Why is it like that? Because if they did it the other way around, no one would eat the

Starting point is 00:06:46 pasta. They wouldn't have room. They wouldn't eat as much. They simply wouldn't eat as much and enjoy the food as much or whatever. It's always that first. That's why restaurants serve bread and not jerky or some other protein. Bread and chips almost always. That's right. Because you can eat more when the order of what I said is flipped. If you look at your plate, and this is what's funny too, we've all been conditioned this way. Someone takes a plate of food and they've got, let's say meat, rice, or meat, potatoes, or meat, pasta, and vegetables.

Starting point is 00:07:13 Here's how people tend to eat it. Either A, they eat the starches first, then they move over to the meat, or they go back and forth and alternate, which is another novelty trick, which actually gets your body, because you're changing from savory to sweet or from starch to protein that also gets you to increase so it ends up what you what you realize is the way

Starting point is 00:07:31 that we eat the way that we're trained to eat the way they were taught to eat actually encourages overeating it's been it's been beaten into us it's a it's a culture so all you got to do is understand the psychology of it understand the physiology of what's happening and flip it. So when you take your plate again, and I first learned this training clients around the holidays. This is when I really figured this out because I would have clients- This would be a Thanksgiving tip. Yes.

Starting point is 00:07:55 Because they would always be like, oh my God, what am I going to do on Thanksgiving? Everybody makes it. And I think there's a lot of value in holidays. I think there's tons of value in enjoying the even the hedonistic aspect of food with people around you. I think there's an element of quality of life that comes from that.

Starting point is 00:08:11 Again, my culture is Italian, so I understand the value of enjoying the food. So I'm not like a puritan when it comes to it. Yeah, how dare you not eat Aunt Marge Apple Cobbler? How dare you? She made it and you're connected. She made it with love. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:08:22 So what I told my clients is I said, you know, yeah, go and eat whatever you want, but hit 50 grams of protein or whatever their number was first. So get the turkey, eat that first, and then go and eat the rest and see what happens. And through the years of clients telling me and getting feedback and tracking

Starting point is 00:08:38 and me experimenting with this, you end up eating less. And you're not restricting because, here's the deal, the reason why we feel like we're restricting is because our desires, our actions are going against our desires. That's what restricting feels like. My desire is to eat more, but I'm preventing myself

Starting point is 00:08:57 from doing that, so I'm restricting myself. But if I can match my desire to my goal, it doesn't feel like I'm restricting. So what does that look like? It looks like I eat whatever I want, mix up the order, now I eat less. So I'm not restricting because my desire is to eat as much as I just ate,

Starting point is 00:09:14 which happens to be less because I've changed the order. And this is why it's such a powerful hack, especially for someone at 30% body fat. Now does this make a big difference for someone who's already really lean? Probably not, then you gotta get a little bit more detailed right? But if you're sitting at 30% body fat, this one thing right here... Massive. Yeah you're gonna lose 10 pounds of body fat just from doing this one simple

Starting point is 00:09:36 thing which is just changing the world. I mean I think that you can't overstate the value too of you're naturally going to probably, not probably, you will increase that person, whoever it is, their daily protein intake. And everybody I ever trained was under eating protein. And so you're kind of handling two things here. They're naturally going to reduce calories and increase protein. If that's paired with some sort of strength training at that time, this person is going to see incredible results just by doing that.

Starting point is 00:10:08 Not to mention, even on the controlled studies, which I've recited so many times on the show, but if you have a calorie controlled diet with different groups, the only difference being one group, a lot of their calories come from protein, so it's high protein. The other group, it's less. Even though the calories are the same, the high protein group loses more body fat and builds more muscle so it is a double whammy of a hack where you eat less plus you bump your protein which means you build more muscle burn more body fat on top of the fact that you're eating less calories which also helps you burn more body fat so it's

Starting point is 00:10:40 just a win-win. You know along these lines this is now this is connected to parenting what I'm about to say, but as we're talking about eating differently and how the world basically organizes meals to start first and then you kind of move through to make you eat more type of deal. I had an experience this morning with my daughter. I won't go into too much detail, but she's 14 going to 15. And there's moments when raising kids where every parent's gonna go through this where. You just get tested.

Starting point is 00:11:09 You get tested and it's gonna be a challenge and you're gonna tell them you don't want them to do something or do something they don't wanna do it and you end up going back and forth. And just having realizations around parenting in the sense that the biggest challenge with being a parent, there's a lot of work for sure around being a parent, getting up early, losing sleep, preparing them for this, making them food,

Starting point is 00:11:32 they have extra clothes, blah blah blah. A lot of work, but that's not the hard part. That's hard, not even the hard part. The hard part is if you want to raise healthy kids, both physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually, you got to raise them differently than pretty much everyone else. They're gonna have to be the weird kid. That is hard. And the sooner that you can communicate that, accept that, that you would not only do you have to accept it, but then you have to be able to communicate to them that they understand that. They understand why and

Starting point is 00:12:02 I don't know, I think sometimes we, uh, we underestimate how well kids can understand it at a very young age. Katrina actually had this conversation on the way talking about max and just the importance of us being consistent. The important, how important it is to us to talk to him like he's an adult, like explaining things that we think are probably too complex for him. You'd be surprised how much they're not. And like, letting them understand that. And I think when, if and when, I'm not quite there yet

Starting point is 00:12:28 with the kids where they're testing me in that way, but I believe that if I do a good job of communicating that, hey, our family is different, we're gonna be different, we want to be different. Like, that's a message that my son is going to receive from us from a very early age all the way, so that when these moments come, it's like, you know, that's what,

Starting point is 00:12:47 we don't just follow the crowd and what all the other girls are doing or what all the other guys are doing. That's like, we don't want to be like everybody else. From a health and fitness perspective, it's easy to understand, right? If you ate the way everybody ate, if you were inactive the way everybody else is inactive,

Starting point is 00:13:03 you're going to probably be fat, sick, and unhealthy. That's just a fact. I think fitness people understand that, so it's like when you're working out and you're consistent and you're eating healthy and it's a part of your life and then you go out with friends, your regular family members, your cousins,

Starting point is 00:13:17 and people around at work or whatever, you're the weird one. You just are. Why? Because you're the one that's not doing what everybody else is doing. So they're ordering certain foods and you're eating in a different way.

Starting point is 00:13:26 They're saying, let's go out and do this. And you're saying, no, I got to wake up early to go work out. You're the weird one because you're not doing what everybody else does. And the reason why you do that is you know you have to be different if you want to be fit and healthy. Well, that doesn't just stop with physical fitness and health. That expands to mental health, spiritual health, emotional health.

Starting point is 00:13:47 So it's like you have a teenage kid, I don't know what the stats are on how long the average, let's say 15 year old spends on social media. It's hours a day. So if you tell your kid, I'm gonna let you be on social media. 30 minutes, that's it. Five minutes, you know, that's what I say.

Starting point is 00:14:03 You get a total of five minutes, okay. But everybody else does it. You're the only one. All my friends, this is how they communicate with each other. And so and it's a struggle because it's like okay well that's true. You are the only one that you can't communicate with your friends through DMs and using all these other you know social media. You are missing out on the jokes that they talk about and the trends because they're on social media. But then I always remember this like who's raising my kid me or the world definitely don't want the world raising my kids because I know what that looks like so it's gonna be I'm sorry but it's gonna be you are gonna stand

Starting point is 00:14:36 out you are not gonna be like everybody else that's the point that's actually the point the point is it don't want you to be it's so ironic to me I guess like you know growing up how we grew up and it's it's like now those type of values are punk rock Yeah, I know to be a little bit more on the I guess conservative side Or the more family values driven like that's so abnormal, you know, it's like it's kind of I mean I I look at that as a positive in terms of like, because I was always like, I just want to be cool, dude. I'm tired of being the guy that's like Ned Flanders. But hey, now it's almost like you're rebelling at this point because the world is so different

Starting point is 00:15:22 in comparison. But yeah, you're not gonna be like everybody else. We have these conversations all the time and it's just you have to keep reinforcing it because it's hard, man. It's so normalized, because this is what I keep getting from my kids when I argue with my teenagers,

Starting point is 00:15:37 when we go back and forth. They're like, but that's not normal. This is normal. It's normal for kids to dress like this. It's normal for, yeah, I don't want you to be normal. Like that's, hypersexualized not normal. This is normal. It's normal for kids to dress like this. It's normal for... Yeah, I don't want you to be normal. It's hypersexualized is normal. Not moving all day is normal. Being on social media all the time is normal.

Starting point is 00:15:57 I don't want you... Complaining is normal. It's going to be really cool to hear, obviously we'll still be very close friends later on this time in your life, because you have such a huge gap. And you openly are far more involved in integrating the decisions around the kids when they're younger now with the two younger ones. Because I feel like you see this now because of the challenge you're having with the teenager, I also

Starting point is 00:16:21 feel like you will be more proactive with the younger ones to head that off. Like you'll, this is why, I mean it's why I feel so blessed to have friends that are good fathers that are already experiencing things older me because what goes, like I said, what happens for, what goes through my head is like I'm gonna plant that seed early. That way when those those moments come years later, he's been hearing it from his dad for a long time. Can I tell you the biggest mistake I made or what I would change by far? It isn't talking about it, that would have been good, it's still a mistake, or implementing

Starting point is 00:16:49 early that was a mistake. It's finding, is really putting effort into surrounding ourselves with people that are going to be on the same page. Because otherwise they're isolated and all their friends are different and then it's tough. They need to hear it from other people too. Yes. They need to have it from other people too. Yes.

Starting point is 00:17:05 They need to have other friends that are like that. I mean that is an ideal, perfect situation. But there is still a chance that you don't get to control who your friends, your kids' friends are too, right? I mean we talked about this earlier. Yeah. What lengths would we go to control that? Sometimes you gotta make a base.

Starting point is 00:17:18 So at least if you were planting the seed and talking about it and saying that we're different and they do have these friends that they're different than, they knew that. They knew that from the beginning, like we're going to be different, like our family's going to be different. And then I also think a lot of that has to go too with how you lead your own life because what's tough is if your child doesn't aspire to be like you at all. So I think first is being a leader that my son looks up to and aspires to be like you at all. So I think first is being a leader that my son looks up to

Starting point is 00:17:45 and aspires to be like. And so if I can be that type of dad first, then letting him know, like, hey, your dad's different if you haven't figured that out. And I'm different because I walked a different path than everybody else. And you will too. You're going to be special.

Starting point is 00:18:00 All these things, you're proud about your daddy that he's this, this, this, and this. The reason why is because I didn't follow everybody else. And so you're going to find, you're proud about your daddy that he's this, this, this, and this. The reason why is because I didn't follow everybody else. And so you're gonna find that you're gonna have close friends that you really love, and you care about, and you hang out with, and they're gonna do some things different than you, and that's what's gonna separate you.

Starting point is 00:18:14 On a logical basis, I think a lot of people would understand this, right? If you look at the data on kids and anxiety, depression, obesity, pretty much every measure of health, it's getting worse and worse and worse. So it's like, okay, well, what's causing that? Well, whatever's causing that is what everybody's doing. What everybody else is doing is what's causing that.

Starting point is 00:18:37 So to not do that, you're already on the right foot. You're already making the right decision by going, okay, we're not gonna be like everyone else, let's look at what they're doing. Let's try and be different. Now, that's logical. I think people can see that. The hard part is now doing it

Starting point is 00:18:51 because you get so much pushback and all their friends are different. And even their friend's parents are looking at you like, why are you so controlling? Why are you so strict? Why don't you, you know, whatever. And it's like, well, because I, it's like. Because you care.

Starting point is 00:19:04 Yeah. I care, I care, you know. That's what I'm showing. That was a conversation this morning too, I told my daughter, I said, sometimes I'm gonna be your friend, but most of the time I'm gonna be your dad, and right now I'm your dad.

Starting point is 00:19:15 So you're gonna like me or not, dad doesn't care if you like it or not. Friend does, but right now it's dad. And so you probably hate me, but it's just the way it's gonna be. But it's rough, dude. It's hard, man, it's that and so you probably hate me, but it's just the way it's good You know just the way it's gonna be but it's it's rough dude. It's hard man It's really especially for you know and I feel for divorced parents who have dual that's so that's what to me when you told The story this morning like right away. I'm like man. I just feel for you because that's already a hard conversation Is I mean I already have this net this deep insecurity that my kids don't want to stay with me

Starting point is 00:19:43 They don't like me. So teenagers, what do they always say to their parents when they're mad, right? I hate you. I don't want to be here. But now she has another house to go to. And not to mention, the teenagers are incredibly good at manipulating. So whether she openly admits she knows that, subconsciously she knows that. And so she knows that's a button. Oh, it hurt me too. So hard. And. She says that but I don't let her know. A lot of times it's just emotional outbursts and they don't really know

Starting point is 00:20:10 why that they think that way. You try and like dig at it and you try to be all logical and like let's have a conversation about this and it's really just like I just don't want to punch hole in the wall. I can't believe you said that about Ethan today. That is so out of character for him never like he doesn't have

Starting point is 00:20:27 Outbursts or like has like tantrum. He's not that kid never and so Yes, it's all new. It's like a whole side. That's because he's going through this new development and testosterone is really kicking in and That that whole like sort of like testy he's real testy like that's a real thing you know and it's it's it's strange but I mean I get it obviously because I went through that you know the different it was a different experience for me but it was like how to be a curveball from him though right very curveball because I didn't see that come out saying that

Starting point is 00:21:01 you've been saying that about ever it forever he's he's predictable in that regard like I there's gonna be like little violent outbursts I'm gonna have You've been saying that about Everett forever. He's predictable in that regard. There's going to be like little violent outbursts and I'm going to have to kind of create barriers around that. Put pillows around. Yeah. I've been having a lot of conversations really just to prep Courtney for these types of events that are going to occur in the future.

Starting point is 00:21:19 You know one thing my wife tells me that's really good, although sometimes I don't hear it because if I'm in the moment I don't want to hear anything, but it's true. Ask yourself this, what is 30 year old, you know, my kid going to think about this? What are they going to think about this when they're 30? Are they going to look back and go, man I'm glad dad. Thanks dad, yeah, thanks for keeping this consistent. Totally.

Starting point is 00:21:40 You know, this grounding. Because you're going to know your kids as adults for way longer. Now as you and Courtney sit back and you kind of evaluate, because of course, Ethan being this way is such a curveball. He's such like a mild manner, quiet, good kid, great, I mean both your kids are great kids, but I mean he's, I wouldn't have expected that either. You've always said he's got more of a demeanor like her. So obviously, and you guys are very in tune parents, you see this, and then you and her, are you guys like, you guys like you know trying to like okay obviously the testosterone he's going through

Starting point is 00:22:08 that right now he had a school change too right yeah so that's that's a dynamic at that age a dynamic shift of like hey I'm no longer kind of a girl interests oh also into a girl yeah and so yeah so we tried and again and this is where like it's a team effort and I'm always like we're kind of pulling each other aside And like discussing like what was that? You know like in Courtney will kind of give me Intel on the day like how it went like where these things are kind of emerging and Yeah, and so you start looking back at all those things. You're like, wow, okay I wonder you know

Starting point is 00:22:42 You kind of wonder if there's a conversation there. Like, like some of these kids, like are part of other sports teams. And they're kind of like scoffing at what he's doing. Cause he's been like, mentioning to us all of a sudden he doesn't want to do gymnastics anymore. And it's like, you know, this, so that's a whole nother thing too, cause he has to devote a lot of time during the week to that. It's like four practices a week for,

Starting point is 00:23:05 he does like at least three and a half to four hours, like blocks of such a job. Now this makes sense to me why you, like you were adamant about him not quitting and stuff like that is because it's almost, it's obvious already to me just from what you're communicating that this is like outside influence that's making it. Like either he's all of a sudden getting teased for being in gymnastics or the cool yeah or the cool kids are like oh that's not a real sport it's you know I'm saying and so maybe making him feel that way and he's interested in a girl so he wants to be cool wants to fit in he's a cheerleader and she's around the sports teams football basketball stuff so yeah and so

Starting point is 00:23:41 my handling of it it's really like I'm I'm trying to go out of my way and like cut my Weekend now involvement of like what I want to do like I'm taking him to the games there I'm taking him to events so he can be around You know those friends of his is his girl interest. I won't color his girlfriend yet because I don't think it's you know official his girl interest, I won't call her his girlfriend yet because I don't think it's official. It's not on Facebook yet. It's not on Facebook yet. It's a status change or anything.

Starting point is 00:24:09 It's complicated. Significate like that, yeah. So, but I'm like, I want him to, if that's like the thing, I want him to be able to experience it and be around, but also still be disciplined, still be dedicated to what he started out on. And the thing is is he loved it.

Starting point is 00:24:25 He loved it. He loves coaching little kids too. That's a job he has on top of also just being part of the team of the gymnastics team. To me, I guess, and I know Courtney had quit volleyball when she was in high school and she looks back and regrets it because she was really good at it. Uh, and, and so we kind of had that discussion. I, I went through the grueling pain of like being on a team that like, they were never going to play me and it was just the politics and this was like a

Starting point is 00:24:57 baseball team and like, I knew right away, my friends quit. I was the only one left with younger guys that all played together on like spring teams and all that and The coach was like his son It was all his friends and so he literally I got to play one game in the entire season And I was better than all these freaking kids And I just oh it and I did and that happened in basketball basketball too And and it was just like well, why, why would you put your son through that? Why would you have him go through

Starting point is 00:25:27 like that sort of like a punishment? It's not a punishment, it's a life lesson. Yeah. This is huge. This is what I want for him to learn. Name one life lesson that was enjoyable. None. No.

Starting point is 00:25:41 Life lessons are never enjoyable. They're always hard. That's why it's a life lesson. And it sets the enjoyable. They're always hard. That's why it's a life lesson. And it sets the tone for this is real life. You're going to be, and I just had this conversation with a cousin of mine, young cousin of mine, who's in the early 20s. And he started this sales job and he killed it first month, like top car sales. Just crushing it.

Starting point is 00:26:04 Runs in the family. He's definitely a closer killer Yeah, so I'm all side cheering him on and then uh right now He this is one of my cousins that has a really really rough upbringing and then he's right away Communicating to me like, you know, he's I've been you know Tell him to learn everything you can and be asking and And obviously cause some jealousy right away, right? I mean, top guy, brand new guy comes in. I'm sure you guys are familiar with being that. Yeah, not everybody's gonna love you, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:26:31 When you're like that. And he has this chip on his shoulder because of how he was raised that he's got that kind of like, you know, lone wolf like F you all figured out if you're gonna be that way. And you know it's already caused him talking about like he's already looking for other jobs and I'm just like whoa whoa whoa whoa bro like that's not what you do like

Starting point is 00:26:52 that's you all right I said your job now is here's the facts you there's gonna be a lot of people that know you win them over yes right yeah I said and I told him a book for that I said there's a great book for that's called 360 leader by John C Maxwell it's about being in middle management or lower on the ranks and leading the people above you. I said, so your goal now, knowing these people don't like you, is to continue to wipe their ass with the floor. Or wipe the floor with their ass. I know that is, because I was like, that didn't come out right. Wipe the floor with their ass. And like destroy them month in and month out and then also win them over.

Starting point is 00:27:29 So how can you, instead of you because you know you're talented and someone else will pay you more and take you on, like no no no no no no. If you do that, what you're going to find is you're just going to find that in another place and you're going to keep running from this versus learning how to adapt in that type of an environment and still succeed. Totally. There's the lesson, there's the challenge and I was kind of laying into him about that because it's like you know just cuz you're super good and you know you're good and then you could go somewhere else and someone else is gonna tell you like oh come work for me you'll all do

Starting point is 00:27:58 this for you I'll do that no no no you should stay right there. I'm not. That's why I told him I said you don't you're not allowed to leave and so not only are you the top guy consistently kicking and running around, but you've learned everything you can from everybody that works there. Until you can be all of them, you've got all their strengths, and you've consistently with them. OK, you come talk to me after a couple of years of doing that, and you can run that place.

Starting point is 00:28:19 Even at your position. That's what will happen, actually. You've learned. That's right. That's right. Because that skill set, that ability right now will carry over and even if you don't stay in this field and translate to success. No, what he's showing, what he's demonstrating is he has talent. But not the skills yet to

Starting point is 00:28:35 what you're talking about is developing some real skills. Real leadership skills. He's got the talent. That's right. Yeah. Does he look at you like a mentor? Is it sink in? Oh good. So he's like, that's why I could tell. I was really,, I mean I'm giving you guys the PG version. Like I really laid into him about it because he also responds to that, right? He's, I mean I told you he made my childhood look like a cakewalk. Like way, way harder. And so

Starting point is 00:28:56 you know, he's been everything from you know, having to wear the ankle bracelet and yeah, he's definitely been in and out of trouble. And this is like he's you know, he's now a father. He had a kid really early. So good for him. He went and he started selling cars and crushed it. Yeah, I knew he would too. I knew he would.

Starting point is 00:29:11 He's got a mouthpiece on him. That's good too because that's good money and there's a lot of potential there. Good for him. So, but okay, to that point, so he crushes everybody, he wins. He beats everybody, all the veterans, everything, first month in.

Starting point is 00:29:24 But he was just doing whatever they told him they're like sell everything and then he's learning like oh there's bigger rips on this car than this car and he got really upset he got really upset that they the you know the GM just wanted him to sell as many cars that's what he gets the best off of but there's definitely certain things that and then there's the guys on the finance on the back end that are manipulating the deal so they make more money and so what he saw at the end of this was like he didn't make nearly as much as like he could have or should have. It's all right it's month one. That's right that's why I explained to him. I explained to him too. I said you're

Starting point is 00:29:56 still you're jumping ahead to the earn phase of your life right now you're still in the learn phase right now you're learning. What a great line. I said this then you will get to that I wish I could take credit for I stole from somebody else so that I mean it's such a true point though now you're learning. Yeah, what a great line. I said this, then you will get to that. I wish I could take credit for it. I stole it from somebody else. So that, I mean, it's such a true point though, when you're at this stage of your career in your life, you're, you're, you, you, you're so concerned about the earning phase. You're still learning phase, bro. You're not a master at your craft fucking doing one month, bro. And I know you did the best. And so you feel real good and a great job, but you're far from considering yourself a master. You, I told them, I said, I want you to feel so confident you could go open one of

Starting point is 00:30:28 these things. Like, do you understand the P&Ls? Do you understand how the GM, like you need to understand all that. You have an opportunity right now to do that and if you have terrible people that are above you and next to you working with you, it's not leave that or run from that or get a chip and then, oh I'm not even going to socialize. Your next goal should should be and you can I said you could have this feeling of like I don't like them all right you can have that inside but I don't want them to feel that they want I want you to think them to feel like you like them and I said in the long game you will you will win I told him a story

Starting point is 00:30:58 and I won't tell the whole story on here but you know I work with the boss like that for for many years yeah and I tell you and I gave him I said I gave him a lesson I said listen him to this day I said I had lunch with him not that long ago and I still inside I have that from the you know young 20 year old me but he had never knew that he never knew that I said and listen I said he's a he's a you know he's at a high level making pretty good money where he's at in his life said he's a he's a you know, he's at a high level making pretty good money where he's at in his life Now he's a slave to a company and he makes x amount and I make about ten times that so who do you think won in? That situation and he's not the wiser of that. I took everything I could learn from him

Starting point is 00:31:35 I didn't I didn't run I didn't quit and I continued to grow and elevate now It took me ten years later to get to this place But had I had that attitude of F you and go somewhere else, it would have been a whole different path for me. Yeah, 100%. 100%. You know, I'm watching you move right now. I gotta ask you this, bro.

Starting point is 00:31:52 You tore your pec. How long did you tear your pec? Three months ago. Has it been three months? Two, maybe two. Maybe two months. How's it been that long? I mean, I literally have the video of when it happened.

Starting point is 00:32:03 So for people who don't know, Adam legit tore his pec. I mean I literally have the video of when it when it happens. So for people who know Adam Legit tore his pack. I mean bruising like the whole deal. Okay, and Not only do I see you move like there's nothing wrong with you You're posting videos of your comeback workouts and you're hitting chest pressing you're doing legit chest exercises I am taking it easy though. Like I'm I press tore your pet. Yeah Okay, this is crazy. This is BBC is crazy Am taking it easy though like I'm I pressed or your pet. Yeah, okay BBC is crazy. This is an anecdote, but there's a lot of anecdotes like this around the

Starting point is 00:32:34 BPC 157 and you're putting it directly into the pack. Yeah Okay for anybody who's ever worked with a legit muscle tear the kind that causes Like unlike, you know bru bleeding, right? There's bleeding there. You're not able to go and train it a couple months later. August 3rd. So what are we here now? So a month and a half. It's not even two months. Yeah, a month and a half.

Starting point is 00:32:58 Six weeks. That's a 12 week. Bro, it's crazy. On average, if you tear a muscle like that where there's that kind of bruising, you're eight to 12 weeks minimum. BBC 157, okay. I know you've definitely tried everything, but and I've said this before. It works so well. It's scary. It's scary. Like as I'm doing things, I'm like I feel good, but my trainer brain who's experienced many injuries Be careful, be careful. trainer brain and who's experienced many injuries goes tells me that like this I shouldn't be doing this yet which you know it also made me think this since

Starting point is 00:33:29 you brought this up like because I this has been going through my head personally like I haven't been sharing this. That's crazy. I know well it's like some of these pro athletes you see this stuff. Now you know yeah. And it's like but you know what VPC has been around for a long time. Bro yeah kudos to them though to be imagine being a high level running back in the NFL and you tear an Achilles or an MCL or an ACL and everybody else takes a year to recover that and you're back on the field in eight weeks.

Starting point is 00:33:54 You're not just like going back to work at your, you're literally weighing somebody, getting a calf raise. Yeah, it's like these guys come back so fast at such a high level, I can only imagine the psychological part of knowing that, God, I shouldn't be this good already, but then feeling that, it's a trip.

Starting point is 00:34:14 It works really well when it's site injected, especially if it's like, I mean, any tissue damage, it's so crazy, because I just showed you guys, I seriously was embarrassed how my finger grew back. It was almost, I'm like, am I a lizard? That sounds funny. Yeah, it grew back, it never even happened.

Starting point is 00:34:33 No, no, this stuff's legit. Now the problem is people get the gray market stuff, which we talked to Dr. Seed about, he scared the crap out of me with that. He's like, oh yeah, I could be off by a couple amino acids, and it's still BBC, but it does some other shit. So I might not want to. If you want something like that, we have partners

Starting point is 00:34:50 at mphormons.com that we've vetted. They're doctors. It comes from FDA-regulated compound pharmacy, so it's legit. It's not gray market stuff. Can you still get BBC right now? I heard there was, they had a- Penta-deca-

Starting point is 00:35:02 Yeah, they changed the name. Organite. Organite? Organite. Penta-deca- Yeah they changed the name. Argonite. Argonite? Argonite. Penta deca- Formulation.

Starting point is 00:35:09 So it is bio-identically the same as BPC. Oh, okay. But they've combined it with the argonine molecule. It actually is supposed to be a little bit more effective. Okay, so is this the game that the supplement industry has always played? Of course. Yeah, yeah. So you have to explain that because this was the-

Starting point is 00:35:24 This is why it's so hard to regulate. They're trying really hard to hammer compound pharmacies. I think it's obvious why. I think the GLP-1 scenario is exploding and these companies... Bring a lot of eyes and attention there. These pharma companies that sell these brand name GLP-1s like Ozempic, Wigoby, Monjaro,

Starting point is 00:35:44 you're gonna buy that it's a thousand dollars a month or a hundred bucks a month or you can get it from a compound pharmacy for like three hundred bucks a month. Way cheaper. And it's the same thing. Yeah. So they're trying hard to hammer compound pharmacies to prevent them from doing anything. Sure.

Starting point is 00:35:57 And BPC works so well for injuries. Like I said six weeks, bro. It's like you got you healed at least two times as fast, but probably more than that. It works so well, of course they're gonna want that to be brand name only and no compound pharmacists. Because you could buy it. And put in the fact too, man,

Starting point is 00:36:15 imagine if I was actually eating correctly too. I wasn't even feeding myself, because that would have accelerated too, was actually eating high protein. The bruising was down your bicep. My whole bicep was all bruised, It was nasty. I mean right after the injury I couldn't I mean I couldn't open up much I had to keep my arm I thought I was gonna be in it I thought when I came back to work that week that week next

Starting point is 00:36:33 week I thought I was gonna be in a sling. I saw you do inclined dumbbells. Did you do flies? I did flies. Flies? Yeah. What does it feel like at the end? So I'd use the cable and it it actually feels okay what actually feels weird it almost feels like almost like something's missing in that area just a little bit like it's I'd use the cable and it actually feels okay. What actually feels weird, it almost feels like almost like something's missing in that area. Just a little bit. Like it's like, feels like there's like a little cave or something right there.

Starting point is 00:36:51 So it does feel weird, but I mean, it doesn't hurt and it feels fine. And my shoulder's almost back. I woke up today excited because in the morning time I still have the shoulder stuff because obviously sleeping it rolls back. Now you're combining it with Thymus and beta so that's the combo. You had me do that.

Starting point is 00:37:07 That's the Wolverine stack. So okay what's the difference? I don't understand the thymus and beta. So BPC, connective tissue, collagen, thymus and beta, muscle fibers act in. But both have crossover and they both work synergistically. So it's like one plus one equals three when you use them together. Oh wow. Yeah yeah yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:24 I wish I would have done it the whole time. Doug, look up BPC 157 mouse studies. There's this one study on Achilles where they tear the Achilles of these mice, give some BPC and some not. And it's crazy how fast it is. When I hear that, when I hear that, I can't help but picture how ridiculous that has to be.

Starting point is 00:37:39 Like really, can you really just cut the Achilles of a mouse? Little razor guy. Yes. Ha. That just sounds crazy You could do I have to bring this up before I forget because it's perfect timing for this the most ridiculous study I've ever seen and I had to like see if it was real because I was like I don't think it's really I'm getting Like pumped here, right? I'm wondering if Doug was part of this study

Starting point is 00:38:01 like Japan and the US kind of combined together so they and I don't know they won some kind of Nobel Prize for this as well which okay and it was on anal breathing wait wait wait wait anal breathing wait a minute in water wait a minute so I was been doing this for a long time he's like wait a minute wait a minute he's like I wait a minute, wait a minute. He's like, I've mastered this technique. I've been doing this for years, decades. Isn't that what? Is that called farting? What do you mean?

Starting point is 00:38:28 Yeah. So they based it off of some fish, I guess, that has the ability, if their head's out of the water, I guess they can still... So you could put your head underwater, put your ass up in the air and breathe? So no way. Does it connect to your lungs? So here's the thing, and I read further into it, I guess, like there's like some kind of liquid, like oxygenated liquid that they can like insert and it has some effect in terms of like,

Starting point is 00:38:53 oh, that's I've seen that being able to get you more oxygen. That's like your system. I brought this up. That's like the movie. What was the, what did you remember him bringing up anal? No, I didn't. I think I'd remember that. Yes. Into the rectum through the anus. Okay, so do I yes? I did bring this up except I didn't say the anal part. What was that? Listen there's there's a there's a liquid that they invented that they they pack full of oxygen that you could use and never have to breathe again. That's the important part, not the anal part. It's where they inserted the anal. No, the anal part is definitely the biggest one.

Starting point is 00:39:33 This is what gave them Nobel Prize. What was that movie? The Abyss? Is it that? Where they go underwater and they find those aliens? And the only way they could do it is they have to breathe in that liquid. That's cool though, right? Yeah You know that's good for So they're looking at that for people who have injuries can't breathe yeah, so to prevent organ death They'll inject them. Okay them this liquid Yeah, cuz they were trying to associate it with like

Starting point is 00:39:59 Coveted in and like people having respiratory issues of like and I was like, oh great. This is gonna be the new treatment Why is it always in the butt? Why? Why, stop. Stop. Hey, I gotta say something. We all did that photo shoot that you love so much, Justin. Oh yeah, we were all in our suits?

Starting point is 00:40:16 We were all in our suits. So. Glad it wasn't video. A lot of compliments on the suits. State and liberty, bro. Listen. State and liberty. No, I gotta trip off this, right? So Justin looked

Starting point is 00:40:25 great. He did not wear a State in Liberty suit except he had to have his tailored because obviously he's a jacked dude. My suit's off the rack so was yours. Yeah. Yeah. The State in Liberty is so crazy. If you're if you have muscle. It's already form fitted. If you have muscle on your body you know what a pain in the ass it is to buy a suit because you buy a suit fits your shoulders but now you're swimming in it on the bottom or if it fits your waist your arms Don't fit into a blouse Quick the my state and Liberty suits off the rack literally off the rack it fits my arms my shoulders My waist looks good. The shirt looks good. Everything looks good. I got so I posted some of those videos that day because I had the IG live or whatever for the day. What the hell you call it?

Starting point is 00:41:00 Day in life and so many people actually DM me like thanking for introducing that suit I just I don't think people realize until you get it. It's the most comfortable suit. I've ever worn too Yeah, so not only does it fit incredible, but it's actually comfortable It's the only suit I've ever owned that I'll leave the jacket on at dinner. Yes Yes, so like I it's like that comfortable that I can move in the jacket and have dinner and not feel Uncomfortable at all any other suit if I were to sit down have dinner and not feel uncomfortable at all. Any other suit, if I were to sit down and have dinner, I've gotta take it off hanging on my suit.

Starting point is 00:41:29 So the only way I'll wear a tie, because I wasn't wearing the suit, but I was wearing the shirt, I can't button that top button, dude. It literally chokes. Yeah, yeah, no, so at my grandmother's funeral, I had the State and Liberty button down shirts. When I did take off my jacket,

Starting point is 00:41:42 I had family members come up and say, wow, did you get your shirt tailored shirt tailored? Like no this isn't even tailored because it comes in at the waist. Yeah. Because button down shirts, same problem. It's like yeah super baggy around the bottom. Hate that. Hate that. No, no, it's like all tailored. No, no, that stuff's really good. I love it. So I got to tell you guys, I gotta tell you guys a story. My wife, maybe she's okay with me telling this. She texted me, she did. So she's driving up right now, impromptu,

Starting point is 00:42:10 a couple hours up to Sacramento to be with my aunt. My aunt's having a tough time after the loss, my grandmother's death. So she's driving up there, and the kids fall asleep in the car. And you guys know this, when you have kids, little kids, and they fall asleep, and you need to pull over to pee. Sorry, either if I pull over to pee kids are gonna wake up and now we're sleeping. So I gotta

Starting point is 00:42:28 figure out how to hold this. Well she's texting me and she's like I can't hold this. I don't know what I'm gonna do. I gotta pull over. I don't know what I'm gonna do. I don't know what I'm gonna do. So in the meantime I had to put my phone down. We were meeting so I couldn't you know talk with her and she's like I'm gonna pee my pants. I don't know what I'm gonna do. So then we're done with talking, I check my phone, she's like, I figured out a great pee hack. I'm like, what did you do, Jessica? What exactly did you do?

Starting point is 00:42:51 She's like, I grabbed a diaper from the middle console. She did it, bro. No, she didn't. She did it. She did. She put it down her pants. That's how gangster you are, you don't want your kids to wake up.

Starting point is 00:43:02 Hey, she's like, those things absorb a lot. Bro, that's what I would be most afraid of is like, I'm an adult. Is this going to hold all, is it held everything? Oh my God. She's like, I'm nervous with she. Hey, that's a Pampers commercial waiting to happen. It is. It's a mom hack.

Starting point is 00:43:20 I bet you there's moms listening right now who did that. I said to her, I'm like, well there's an astronaut lady. That's the first time I heard that one. I'm like, weren't who did that I said to her Remember these are diapers for you know, two-year-old I'm like did you were true afraid she goes well I was peeing really slow just the case. She goes but absorbed everything totally fine That's a Pampers commercial right there like I'm like, can I tell the story? She's like, maybe. There it is. There it is.

Starting point is 00:43:50 So I got to tell you about one of our other sponsors. Viori has a down jacket now. That I'm going to get. Like a really nice down jacket. Finally getting cold out. So I'll have to start looking into it. Have you guys ever owned a down jacket? Oh, I never most comfortable. I never did until I went out to the Midwest and like Experienced real cold and it was like you can't you can't just wear more sweatshirts

Starting point is 00:44:15 It goes through well that completely through you the best part about down jackets in my opinion is the like the technology So you they're also great when it's not that cold. That's right. They're so lightweight that it could just be, oh, it's like, you know, you're not and you're not sweating your butt off because it's lightweight like that. But then it's also if it gets really, really cold, it's a trip. If you've never owned one and you I remember the first time I actually didn't get a down jacket until like a real legit one until not even that long was maybe ten years ago was the very first one and that was the thing that tripped me out I was like oh this is what all the fuss

Starting point is 00:44:50 about this is why everybody rocks these is I can wear yeah I can wear them when it's when it's kind of warm outside still and it doesn't I don't get all hot and sweaty in it yet it could be freezing outside and it's so predictive it's a trip to experience it. I just ordered it. A lot of colors or just like one or two colors? You know what that's a good question. I got the green one but I think you can order some other colors. Yeah I'm sure they have at least a couple. I don't know if it's a lot. Sometimes they only have a couple colors or something like that. Dude I got to tell you too, did you

Starting point is 00:45:18 guys see on X showed this. I don't know if other social media places showed this but did you guys see what happened to it was like I want to say 13 or 14 Hezbollah members. You know, Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. Did you see what they did? No. This is how crazy counterintelligence and whatever is getting. They all use pagers to communicate. Somehow Somehow Israeli Special force whatever made all their pagers explode. Whoa. What really? Yes without like putting Explosives in him ahead of time. There's videos literally. There's literally videos of these dudes like the red grocery store. Boom

Starting point is 00:46:00 blows up pagers Yes, how did Doug does it say how? Because remember wasn't there a phone that did that because of the battery. Oh my god. Look at this This is what the headline says It is believed that the devices were infected with malware that intentionally caused them to overheat and detonate They even have to give them like fake pagers They just in 2700 plus dead dead Dead, or injured.

Starting point is 00:46:26 I think there is eight dead. Yeah, so there's like people around them that got, Wow, wow, I mean, how do you only get eight dead and 2700 hurt? Well, I mean burns. Think about it. You have a pager in your pocket and it overheats. Oh, so 2700 of them actually had it?

Starting point is 00:46:42 No, no, no, no. Eight of the two. I think the explosion got. No, the explosion hurt other people around them. Maybe yeah Maybe nobody else like scratching their head on the math on this. Yes. Okay eight people understand have these pagers It was powerful enough to kill eight people thousands of pagers people got killed. That's why it did not make sense. So a bunch of them got burned or hurt,

Starting point is 00:47:06 but some of them died. Crazy. They didn't have to change their pager. They just, I thought maybe they gave them fake pagers or something like that. No, no, they literally just give them a virus. Just blew it up. Oh, there's a video right there.

Starting point is 00:47:19 Hit, Doug, you gotta play that. You guys are serious. Look, look, look. Boom. In his pocket. Oh, what? Oh what yep? What wild right now nobody else was injured around so it wasn't like a huge explosion That's what is yeah, so it's so if 2,700 were injured that means 27 a lot of people that means 2,700 pagers went off now

Starting point is 00:47:37 Were they all bad people or did like some has below so this they all were has well I think I don't know about all of them, but the the ones that got killed were So this they all were has what I think I don't know about all of them, but the the ones that got killed were Yeah, that's kind of crazy. That's that was like they're like did like random people that have that bought that same pager get no no No, I think they were targeting they were specifically target interesting. It's weird. You could do that I that's the part that freaks me out. Can they use your cell phone? Like can they just do that to stuff you own? Well, just make it explode. I mean Justin. What do you know about this? to stuff that you own? Just make it explode? I mean, wow.

Starting point is 00:48:03 Justin, what do you know about this? You're holding something back, dude. I'm not gonna open that can, but yeah. Hey, did you hear that Doug, finally, out of you guys, listened about Masters of Air and binged the whole thing? Oh, you watched it? Yeah, it was fantastic. I gotta watch that.

Starting point is 00:48:17 Oh, I might watch it tonight. I mean, I knew I was gonna watch it anyway. Yeah, I knew you would too. I like that. You actually take my advice. Where's it on again? It's on Apple TV. Oh, I'll watch it. You don't have Apple. That's the one thing I don't have to add another one. Yeah Yeah, I have every that one. Yes has a lot of good shows. They do

Starting point is 00:48:32 Yeah Air I like it rid Disney and then just get Apple instead. I yeah, I keep the production level Okay, so part of what made Masters of Air so good is that they you could tell they spared no expense on like what made Masters of Air so good is that they, you could tell they spared no expense on like the actors. So they have all, I, one of my pet peeves about shows on Netflix is that even if it's a good storyline, they may get like one big actor or two maybe and then the rest are like, and it's just not good dude, I'm sorry. And the storyline has to be so good to like carry the show where you have like Masters of Air like they spared no expense like I mean everything from the

Starting point is 00:49:08 detail of it and and then also all the every actor in it was really so Apple does that I feel like they always have speaking of stuff in the media P did he yeah they arrested him but that he got convicted like this is what he's getting tried for right yeah what was it prostitution? Trafficking trafficking what else laundry to my laundering did he get laundering money to or no laundering or laundry? I don't know Is it laundering doing laundry? Bro he got busted for that now, what do you guys think do you think he's start? He's gonna start is he gonna start you start naming names are singing. No, no, or he'll get killed Do you that was he was he too? He's too connected to the to the wrong. You mean he's not singing? No, no. Or he'll get killed. Now, was he...

Starting point is 00:49:45 He's too connected to the wrong... He's connected to... Do you think that they had to sacrifice him? Yes. I think there's plenty of political and more important people. So like, hey sorry, you gotta go down. Let's get the gangsta guy. The music industry, it goes beyond that, but just in the music industry alone like they could do a lot

Starting point is 00:50:06 Of damage if you and he's he's the one to put the hit on Tupac So they're like listen he can't sing if he sings then we're gonna roll him under the bus on all that stuff, too So they know they have they have stuff over his head on that so it's like He's got no he's gonna have to take it on the chair. I haven't seen his 50 cents still posting I was watching him, or anything. 50 cent? Yeah, he was doing all the updates on the Diddy situation. I follow 50 cent too. He's pretty funny.

Starting point is 00:50:31 Wow. It says that, so there's also assault charges that date back all the way to 2008. Where there was also, listen, Combs orchestrated, so it's another focus of the United Nations, that Combs P. Diddy orchestrated sexual encounters it's another focus of the United Men, that Combs, P. Diddy, orchestrated sexual encounters between his victims and male sex workers that he called freak-offs. This elaborate and produced sex performances that Combs ran directed, masturbated during,

Starting point is 00:50:56 and often electronically recorded. You saw all the stories that came out once of all the other male rappers that he made advancements on and stuff like that. So when it first hit the news and then all the stories started coming later, all kinds of young rappers started coming out and sharing their stories. It gets crazy.

Starting point is 00:51:13 This is from, so the raids of his LA and Miami homes resulted in the seizure of supplies for the freak offs, including drugs and more than a thousand bottles of baby oil and lubricant. That's actually. A How do you lie about that? Yeah. Oh I just like it was a sale. You know just want to stock up on the sale. I saved 25 cents at Walmart. I like to oil up my skin every once in a while. A thousand? How big are these freakoffs bro? How big and how often are you having them to need a thousand bottles at your house of lube and baby? What is that? That's like that's not just a closet bro. That's like a room like dedicated to baby oil

Starting point is 00:51:54 Oh, you could take baths and that much for a while for sure a thousand Dave Chappelle's like version of P did either I don't know if I've that Is it new or old? He did is the real world like he did like a whole depiction of the real world is like or like cribs Yeah, you know like was like P did he oh my god. Yeah, it's old But then it was like before any of this stuff came out Yeah before any of this stuff came out, and you're like, oh my god, he nailed it. So basically, even better. Yeah, nailed it. That's how you know, they knew it. They knew it, yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:26 They all knew it. So how bad does it, okay, so how bad and crazy does this stuff get with these celebrities, right? Because you think, oh, they got all this power, money, they're just sleeping with a lot of people. They must get bored at some point, and it just gets real twisted. There's some examples like this that it just,

Starting point is 00:52:41 it's weird, because then it validates a lot of the wacky, crazy stories you've heard. And you're like, wait a minute, maybe there is some teeth to that story. Well, there's like some psychology to this, right? Like when you can afford anything and everything, like you just have to keep, like you people go down that rabbit hole of like, I can already have all the sex in the world I want. I can already fly in every plane, do everything. So it's like, what's next?

Starting point is 00:53:04 What's next, what's next, you just keep playing that game of what's next until it gets oddly weird and bad. I mean they were kind of speculating that a lot of the other like producers and people around him that kind of brought him in like grew and like taught him all these and kind of blackmail and... I heard that too. I heard that it was basically he was taught like the Epstein formula. And so that was part of it. So you know the story of King Solomon, right? They think he wrote some of the books of the Bible, the Proverbs, and stuff like that. And apparently the story is he was a king.

Starting point is 00:53:35 He had thousands of concubines, he had hundreds of wives, all this money, and he just didn't feel fulfilled. And apparently through prayer he was given wisdom and then he wrote all these books. And part of the problem, I guess the challenge was that he was just like them. Like you have all this earthly stuff and it's actually a shitty situation to be because you really realize like, why am I still unfulfilled? I have access to all the things. I can do whatever I want but I still feel like something big is missing.

Starting point is 00:54:08 And that's why I think you see. There's so much power in that lesson, dude. So much. There's so much power in that lesson. This is actually something I always try and remind myself at the stages of my life of like chasing goals and going after things like that is to be so appreciative of where I'm at,

Starting point is 00:54:24 what I'm having. And also what's important. And actually being happy that it is hard to get to there. Yes. Because I wouldn't want it all already. I'd have no appreciation for it. And once you learn that the secret sauce or the real enjoyment is actually in the journey of getting there, I would never want someone to shortcut me there, like when I think about it. So, but everybody is guilty of those moments, right? Of like, oh my gosh, taking forever.

Starting point is 00:54:48 I can't get promoted or I've been stuck here. The whole sauce is not baby oil. No. Thousands of bottles. That's a quote. Hey, imagine being the- Bro, I'm saying something real powerful. I'm sorry, take it out.

Starting point is 00:55:00 Take the wind out of your speech. Here goes my Instagram reel. Imagine, hey listen, imagine you're the only one, I checked this guy, I was thinking something like that. Just ruin that clip. You're like the investigative, like, you know, the officer or whatever. And you're like, all right, we got a raid going on. You're walking, you open a door.

Starting point is 00:55:16 And it's like, bro, you got to come in here real quick. Come look at this real quick. Right. There's got to be at least a thousand bottles of baby water. Seriously. It's so crazy. What the hell? Did you guys see all of it? What the hell? What do you do? Ah, like what do you do? You find that?

Starting point is 00:55:27 I'm running, dude. I don't wanna know what else is in here. Get the fuck out of here. Did you guys see all the controversy with the Tyree Kill arrest too? No. Oh, you guys didn't see that? You saw that, didn't you see the arrest

Starting point is 00:55:35 with Tyree Kill? Yeah. A football player on the way to the game. And- Hold his wind up. Yeah, I think he was driving like- Oh, I saw, he was like a Lamborghini. Yeah, a McLaren, like he was driving.

Starting point is 00:55:44 And they did- Show us how much I know about cars. I actually, I'm not was driving. Oh, I saw he was like a Lamborghini. Yeah, I love McLaren like he was driving and And they do much. I know about cars I actually I'm not even a hundred percent. It looked like a McLaren to me by the the style of the door I definitely was in Lamborghini. But anyways, he He wouldn't like roll or he kept his window rolled up And then when the officer knocked on the window He told the officer don't knock on my window like that and then rolled his window back and then it escalated right they pulled Them out got physical with them rest most of that. It's really interesting You know the thing that I've been I'm following like the comments on that people think it seems to be kind of right down the

Starting point is 00:56:15 middle of Like how many people are using the wrong? Yeah are actually Defending him and listen. I'm a big Tyree Hill fan. I love his game. He's an incredible athlete. Again, I like the athlete him. Him as a person, as a man, as a husband, none of that shit at all. He's a guy who's got like 10 babies, 10 or 12 babies from like nine different babies' mamas. He's the story that came out just recently where he's got, he's impregnated two, within like two months right now and neither one of them are his wife's. Wow.

Starting point is 00:56:50 Yeah, so he's just not a good dude in the first place. That makes a good decision. Yeah, and then, and then, and then it's interesting how many people are so quick to blame the cops in this situation. It's like, at what point do, do, do they, do we give them that respect? I mean, you roll the window up and then you yelled them They're pulling you over for doing something you're not supposed to be doing and then it escalates It's like you know what I do. You know what I do with my kids my little ones Around in our neighborhood. There's a police station

Starting point is 00:57:14 There's also a fire station and I go on walks with them all the time and anytime we go through and we see the fire station Sometimes they're outside washing the fire truck or whatever. I always introduce them and I say they save people's lives. They go into places on fire to help people. And then we go to the police station too. These are the people that protect us from bad guys. And it's a really tough job to do. And sometimes things get real bad. And so now when they see them, thank you, thank you for being a good guy, thank you

Starting point is 00:57:38 for helping people, whatever. And I'm just teaching them this because you're in a situation, you're going to encounter a police officer, and there's bad people out there, this because you're in a situation you're gonna encounter a police officer and there's a bad people out there but but why put yourself in a situation like that where not only that Sal but so good you're doing that because the Media narrative on it is that cops are so bad and cops beat people and the racism thing and so like and it's it's gotten This way now So they couldn't they couldn't pull the race car and I think there was a black guy a Cuban guy and somebody else that all did it so it's just like oh shit There goes that card. We can't use that right away. So it's just like police brutality. We'll just default to that

Starting point is 00:58:11 It's like dude at what point do we not respect authority in a situation like that? It's like come on, dude I mean it'd be different. They just pull them out like that If they were doing shit that was like they're not supposed to. Yeah if you didn't see the whole beginning of that video You'd have a different perspective completely. And this is just how a lot of media has distorted all these incidences. It's just like, you just get this one little piece of it and then you make this quick assumption of what happened with no context. And I get the argument from some of the people that are making the statements, like, you

Starting point is 00:58:38 know, it's the cop's job to deescalate. It's like, yeah, I get it's their job to deescalate. But you have somebody who like, he's got tinted windows. They got emotionally driven after that. Yeah, exactly. And you exactly. So of course it got escalated with wrong way. But in that situation, okay, yeah, we could now hindsight, we can go, okay, cop could have done some things a little bit better. But it's like, it doesn't even go there. If you weren't being a shit. It doesn't even go there. If you're not being disrespectful. So, granted, both parties, you can make an argument

Starting point is 00:59:07 that we're out of line. But you go in this, and here's where I always go and I lean in defense of a cop, and they're in this job where I don't know if you're a bad guy or not. And even if you are, football players, not uncommon for NFL players, have guns on them and do shit like that.

Starting point is 00:59:24 And you roll up a tinted window on me when I pull you over. You gotta go home to your family too. That's right. Yeah, so. Yeah, yeah, so I just thought that was really really interesting to see the division online with the, and I think it's because of the narrative around

Starting point is 00:59:39 police officers of this younger generation that think that they can talk to cops this way, act this way, disrespectful, that we've actually got a divide of people that actually believe that the cop was a person this younger generation that think that they can talk to cops this way, act disrespectful, that we've actually got a divide of people that actually believe that the cop was a person who was way out of line in this situation. It's like, whoa, that's crazy to me. So it's great that you're doing that because they're going to hear other things on social

Starting point is 00:59:55 media. And then if all they need is one bad encounter with a cop, and then it's going to confirm their bias that, oh, cops are brutal, cops are racist, cops are bad. And so it's really good that you are thoughtful enough to plant that seed now so that they at least question it. They at least question it when that narrative comes out. Like, oh, my dad always said they were good people.

Starting point is 01:00:14 I don't wanna raise them to be afraid of police officers or afraid or, it's like, they are trying to do a good job. They do a hard job. They're people just like we are, so we're gonna go say thank you, thank you for what you're doing, it'd be nice. They're people just like we are, so we're gonna go say thank you, thank you for what you're doing, it'd be nice. And that's that.

Starting point is 01:00:28 Shout out, we got a shout out? So half shout out, half explanation on what's going on there. I think it's hilarious when I actually saw some people that were complaining that we are producing more free content. Those are always my favorite complaints. You know what I'm saying? Nothing like somebody who complains about shit.

Starting point is 01:00:41 More free stuff. More free stuff. Hey! You guys are do new things so You know what part of our editing team one of the strategies right now is to do these some of these mashups, right? Where we've talked about some of the these all these different topics and it gets mashed up together They'll take bits of different episodes, right? And so our guys doing that and it's now it's a sixth episode that's coming out every week and we're doing that right on YouTube

Starting point is 01:01:04 There'll be seven total. Oh, it'll be seven? There's gonna be two mashups a week. Oh, it'll be two a week. So yeah, so now you're getting seven, right? Seven days a week. Yeah. So you, by the way, you don't have to listen to it if you don't want to.

Starting point is 01:01:15 It's absolutely for free. It's more content that we're trying to produce. It's all topic focused, but a bunch of different clips of us talking about that topic. And they're actually, for us, they're trending very well and they bring on a lot of new listeners. That's the purpose of the strategy and why we're doing it. And again, it's just more free content. So for you turds that are complaining about this

Starting point is 01:01:35 is hilarious to me. So, fly time. Yeah, Mind Pumps Show on YouTube. ButcherBox is a company that delivers grass-fed meat, heritage pork, wild caught fishught fish, free-range chicken to your door. You get a box with frozen quality meat at incredible prices. If you like protein, you like meat, and you like it to be healthy and quality, and you like to save money, go with ButcherBox. Go to ButcherBox.com

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Starting point is 01:02:34 do, for all the great contact y'all put out there, for all, you know, demystifying the misinformation that might be out there and being such incredible examples in the fitness community and because of you guys I'm actually getting my certification through nasm to get become a personal trainer and I aspire to be half the trainers that you guys are and of course ideally to be the best but with all that being said I know you guys are on time so I'll get to my question and uh hope you guys will be able to help me out with this. I'm sorry if I'm messed up in the zoom, but I Want to know in the past I have I've heard in the past at least I've heard with when it comes to regards of deadlifting

Starting point is 01:03:19 To basically go back to or reset the deadlift position and basically go back to or reset the deadlift position and to make that clear is at the top of the rep to stretch my butt out. And from my understanding, I don't understand if that would be really applied to full range of motion or not. I'm trying to basically keep in mind tuts and I always do want to have full range of motion to get the most bang for my buck when doing workouts but when I do resets at the top

Starting point is 01:03:50 of the rep I feel I lose momentum I feel I lose rhythm and I just don't like it when I do it it just makes me feel weaker but as a side note I've been working out for about nine years and the past six months or so I've been exposed to you guys love it, but I would love to get y'all's opinion on that. Am I missing out on gains by not extending my butt at the top of the rep or should I do that to get the most bang for my buck? I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by setting at the top or extending your butt at the top.

Starting point is 01:04:22 What do you mean exactly? Explain that. Cause common advice is to reset every rep. That's at the top or extending your butt at the top. What do you mean exactly? Explain that to me. Cause common advice is to reset every rep. That's at the bottom. And let it at the bottom. But as soon as you said top and stretch your butt, you got me confused. So what are we doing? Definitely. So when I set up for the deadlift position and I go down, I, you know, extend, you know, bend my knees and then pull up.

Starting point is 01:04:44 When I'm pulling up and go back down, I lower the weight down knees and then pull up. When I'm pulling up and go back down, I lower the weight down, but then, I don't know if you want me to demonstrate it right now or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'll help. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:55 Let's see what's going on. Okay, I hope this is a good position. Yeah, yeah, you're good. As long as we can see your hips. Yeah, we can see, yeah, you're good. Is this looking good? Yeah, yeah, you're good. Yeah. Yeah, you're good okay, so basically when I go up I go down and

Starting point is 01:05:09 I lift lift up straight up You don't go down and my knees are still bent right here Usually I just take off from right here instead of extending my butt out like that So you like now and then get back into position Exactly. Am I missing out on games by not extending out or should I what am I um what I usually do is I just use the momentum I usually have go down um up and go down again and then going from right here up again. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah it does. Some people we're splitting hairs so it's fine. So we are, but I know you see the same thing I see with him.

Starting point is 01:05:47 Like you're picking the weight up and you're probably doing too much quad drive in the first place. And that resetting your ass back is throwing it back into a hinge. It's a hip hinge movement. Don't think of picking the bar up. You're not picking the bar up off the floor. You're hinging it off the floor. And so I can tell already just by what you were just demoing that if I was training you, I would want you to slide your hips and reset like that because what I see you're doing is you're picking the bar up. You don't pick the bar up. That's not what you're doing. Your arms are staying stiff and you're wanting your hamstrings, your glutes to be tight and

Starting point is 01:06:21 then you're hinging forward. that causes the bar to come up. So thinking about it different. You're not picking the bar up. You're hinging the hips forward and back, and that's what's lowering and lifting the bar. Does that make sense? I think so. So some people,

Starting point is 01:06:38 so I think it's best for most people to hit the ground with the weight, let the bar sit there on the ground, get your good and then lift again so you're not touch and go that's a real extra missing that's a way to do deadlifts touch and go but for most people it's better to let the bar sit less favorable and then lift right so you put it down get your position lift again now some people walk away from the bar and come back I know Lane does this he'll deadlift put it down let go of the bar stand up get back now know Lane does this. He'll deadlift, put it down, let go of the bar,

Starting point is 01:07:05 stand up, get back. Now what he's doing is he's training himself for a competition where you're doing a one rep max. And so he's training every step of moving up to the bar and getting in position, which includes walking up to the bar, getting your hands on. Okay, is that gonna give you better or worse gains? I think we're splitting hairs here.

Starting point is 01:07:24 If your technique is good. Now what Adam's saying is, is he sees there may be some, some value to improving your technique from the reset, which, which may be true. But if your techs, if your technique is good, regardless, uh, doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter if you move your hips back and moving back in position or let go of the bar, get back down. So long as you let the bar sit on the floor for a few seconds before you lift it back up. But here's how you know we need to improve your technique is you should

Starting point is 01:07:49 feel you should feel stiff and tight in the the glutes and hips. When you're on the when that bar is on the floor there should be no... Your shoulders to your hand should be a straight vertical line. If your shoulders are moving back because you're squatting too low that means your hips are too low. So when you grab the bar, if you take a picture or video yourself doing a deadlift, the initial part of the deadlift your shoulders and hands should be straight lined up. If your shoulders are behind your hands or in front of your hands then your positioning is off. We have two really good, sorry Justin, Mike on TV videos that.

Starting point is 01:08:25 Yeah, I just think that from your earlier question, you were talking about like time under tension, I just don't feel like the deadlift's a great exercise to really focus on the hypertrophy style of training alongside like approaching it more of a strength specific exercise and getting the maximal output as possible. So that's why we kind of want to drop it off, reset, you know, and then and then get to

Starting point is 01:08:52 the point where we can tighten everything up and get that form ironed out very specifically for this because you're going to get just way more out of it and then use, you know, your other types of exercises for the hyperactivity for maintaining that constant tension. I think it's a better way to look at it. When I train clients, for the most part, when we would do a deadlift, we would do our first rep, bring it down, we'd pause it on the floor, make sure the technique was good, and then come back up.

Starting point is 01:09:22 For some clients, I would have them bring it down to the floor and then I would have them let go of the bar to stand up. And the reason why I would do this with some clients is because their first rep was always so bad that I wanted them to continue practicing that first rep. Because what happens when you do that first rep and then bring it down and your hands are still on the bar and you're resting on the floor,

Starting point is 01:09:40 for a lot of people that second, third rep look better. Some people it's worse, but some people it looks better. Sometimes I would have clients where that first rep is so bad and so hard and then if I had them stay on the bar they'd get into better technique. I said, no, no, I want you to let go of the bar, stand up, let's start over. We would start over every single rep so that they could finally, that first rep, really get into proper position. Again, this is why you'll see power lifters do this

Starting point is 01:10:00 because they only get one try, one rep when they do their lift. So that's really the value of the whole reset, see powerlifters do this because they only get one rep when they do their lift. So that's really the value of the whole reset, completely get off the bar, whatever value of it. But if your technique is good and you're pausing on the floor in between your reps, you're fine. Go to Mindpump TV and look up the deadlift video with Jordan Syatt and look up the one with Jordan Shallow and then look up the one that I do with the PVC pipe.

Starting point is 01:10:24 There's three really good videos that kind of cover a lot of what we're talking about and also really improve your will improve your technique. It's a very technical exercise. So I, I, I it takes, I mean, to this day, I've been doing it for quite some time. I'm still, you know, it takes a lot of reps to get the technique really, really fixed position with your knee and then the PVC piped on your backs really gonna help you train that hinging part of it So I would definitely spend a lot of time with that figure watch those videos Matt You'll get a lot of value from watching those three videos. So they're on the mind pump TV on YouTube watch those

Starting point is 01:10:59 Absolutely. I definitely will give that you have those three videos look. I'm really appreciate that Justin I didn't think about that. I've been really into hypertrophy training. So think of it as a thinking as a strength, more of a strength workout, I think is the way to go. And especially with resetting, I have been using, I guess it has been a little bit of a cheap deadlift. I don't really do deadlifts as much. I'm just now getting back into the whole commercial gym. I used to do a lot of department gym workouts with like a Smith machine.

Starting point is 01:11:30 So doing a dead like actual freeway deadlifts, um, it's been a little bit of a challenge, so I think you're right. I need to focus on that form and you know, really at the very top of the rep, extend my butt, just to make sure I'm doing technique well. Okay. Yeah. Sounds good, man. Yup.

Starting point is 01:11:45 I appreciate that. And again, thanks for all you guys do. And Adam, I have joined that, it was an Instagram, new trainers. Yes, yes. Hope you're getting some value from that. Absolutely. Well, thank you very much for your time, guys. Thanks, brother.

Starting point is 01:11:59 Appreciate it, and hope you have a good one. You got it, yeah, you too, dude. I'd like to do do maybe that we'll do a fitness tip today on that. That's a really good kind of nuanced discussion like what you were just talking about right now and it was a felt like it was a little bit all over the board for him but didn't you got you saw when he did it. Yeah I saw I don't know if it was because he was trying to show us like he wasn't focused it but you're right if that was the case resetting would be

Starting point is 01:12:20 would be best like like go the bar get back in a position. Yeah because I know we have some people do lift it okay and then they squat it down and then they're in the squat position when they try to come back up. It seems like he's trying to do two different things and combo it. So yeah, he needs to kind of just isolate that. But the deadlift is, I mean all exercises are skill based. They all are. Some just require more skill than others. And you're better off mastering the skill than than you are especially with a big gross motor movement like a deadlift rather than trying to feel it in a particular area or time under tension and blah blah blah like it's a complex skill so just practice the skill master skill the gains will come arguably the most skilled or most challenging basic exercises barring like we're not counting any sort of explosive.

Starting point is 01:13:05 It's definitely up there. Yeah, like, I mean, if you're talking about some explosive stuff that like Olympic lifters do, that's a whole nother level. But I'd say when you think about foundational movements, it's probably one of the most complex when it comes to technique. It's definitely up there.

Starting point is 01:13:17 Our next caller is Bill from West Virginia. Hey, Bill. What's going on, Bill? Hey, guys. How are you doing? Kind of surreal. What's going on? How can we, guys. How are you doing? Kind of surreal. Yeah. What's going on?

Starting point is 01:13:26 How can we help you? Well, I got a question for you. I just got off. I'm 64 years old. And I just returned from a 500-mile backpacking trip in Colorado on the Colorado Trail. Wow. Hey.

Starting point is 01:13:43 So I've been following your guys' programs for 18 months or so and made some real good success early on with muscle growth, etc. But confirming everything you guys have said, when I was on the trail, eating, you know, 20 something hundred calories, that's all I could carry per day, but burning probably 5,000 calories every day in eight to 10 hours a day of hiking. I lost 28 pounds in six weeks. Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of it was muscle. I did lose some fat, which was great. My waist is certainly, um, probably three inches smaller than it was when I started

Starting point is 01:14:27 but I went back to the gym here a week ago or not a week ago two days ago to my first workout after I've gotten back and and there was noticeable strength loss in most every upper body type lift because I think my body just kind of burned muscle from the upper body because it wasn't using it as much during the course of this hike. Sure. So the question is what's the best way to regain this muscle, but you know, loose a little, I didn't have a little bit more fat to lose, but you know, keep that off and, and take advantage of the weight loss. Um, so I, I'm not really worried too much about weight, but I am worried about,

Starting point is 01:15:03 you know, fat percentage and, and, and getting my strength gains back. I, I've had several of your programs. I've been using anabolic and should I go back to anabolic at a much lower weight for all the various exercises and just work my way back up or should I do something different? Well, I got good news for you, Bill. Yeah. If you, if you lose muscle, in other words, you had it and you lost it.

Starting point is 01:15:24 Gaining it back is easy. Quick, yeah. It's so easy that the mistakes people make are not that they're working out, but rather they overdo it or they overcomplicate things because they're like, oh my God, I gave up this muscle back. It's going to come back very quickly and very easily. It's something called muscle memory. It's a real thing.

Starting point is 01:15:42 You're going to gain that muscle back if you simply exercise appropriately. Okay, so the question is what's gonna be appropriate? Well, you haven't strength trained for a while, you've lost some muscle, so start out really slow, very slow. So, maps and a ball because great place to start, but I wouldn't start in phase one, I would do the pre-phase. How about maps 15? 15 would be good too. If he's already got anabolic, you do pre-phase, but you could do mass 15. So, run maps 15 or do pre-phase. How about Maps 15? 15 would be good too. If he's already got anabolic, you can do pre-phase, but you can do Maps 15. So run Maps 15 or do pre-phase anabolic and do that and then jump and then after maybe a month or so, jump back in. But within that 30 day period, you're going to see a lot of muscle gains. I mean, especially if you feed

Starting point is 01:16:19 yourself properly. Come on. You are in almost the exact okay? So I lost 30 pounds most of it being muscle in the last three months not lifting I start I started yesterday day one And I'm documenting it So this is gonna go live on the mind pump TV YouTube channel so you can actually watch this process And I'm starting with maps 15 so the plan is maps 15 I'm gonna run that all the way through and then I'll go to Maps Anabolic. But again, to Sal's point, and I communicate this in the videos, that this is the mistake people think is they want to go right back to what it was they were doing before and it's like, I don't need to, I haven't been lifting weights for three months and so any stimulus with weights is gonna move me in the positive direction and I'm more likely

Starting point is 01:17:02 to overdo it and overreach because I've done absolutely really nothing with lifting weights and so less is more in this situation and the good news is for you and me, we've lifted and we've built all that muscle before so it will come, so long as you're hitting that protein intake and keeping your diet in check, we'll build that muscle right back and that would be the main focus that I would tell you is okay, Bill, Let's make sure we hit our protein you know maybe increase your calories by a couple hundred calories from where you currently were at or definitely higher than where you were on your hike and Just follow mats 15 and we should see ourselves gain strength and muscle pretty much almost every week as you as you pull us through it

Starting point is 01:17:41 Now and that was kind of the ancillary question Adam because the I was as a result of the hike, I was in a cut. I mean, clearly, I mean, with what I was doing. So you know, I don't know where to put my calories at this point, because I sure my body is just like, totally confused as to what the hell I'm doing, or not doing now. And in which wish I continue a cut, or should I go ahead and start? So another great start so another great

Starting point is 01:18:05 calories another great question so what I'm doing also and you could follow kind of the same path I'm actually not even like over complicating the diet piece I'm actually eating when I'm hungry making good choices so the the main focus is to get enough protein because you know how important that is that's the like I want to make sure I hit all protein centric meals and I'm just going to track this week start tracking what I eat when I'm hungry. And just, again, make good choices. So, and then at the end of that week, I'll kind of track and see, did that put on a bunch of weight?

Starting point is 01:18:33 Did that maintain my weight? And how many calories was I at? I would call that probably my baseline. And then I'd stay there for probably another week or two. And then if you still feel like you have an appetite and your workouts are feeling good and you're getting strong maybe bump the calories 150 200 calories and just keep listening to the body as you go through that process but you know exactly where to start right now like it's hard for

Starting point is 01:18:54 either one of us to guess right so I actually would just eat when I'm hungry make good choices track that what it ends up being and then the results of that right now obviously if you eat when you're hungry and then the week goes by and you put seven pounds on you probably are eating too much but if if you do a good job I think of making good choices while strength training you know you should only put on a couple pounds at most one or two pounds in that week that means you probably picked a really good calorie to start at and then I'd probably hang right around there just focusing on you know you'll be surprised Bill I think what'll happen is your appetite if you're training properly your appetite is gonna go up. Yeah, you're gonna get this really strong

Starting point is 01:19:30 Anabolic signal you have muscle memory It was just recently that you lost this muscle because of activity and feed it And so you're gonna strength train a little bit muscles gonna go your body's primed It's so primed to gain that muscle back It'll also stimulate your appetite. So you're gonna find your appetite's gonna go up. But don't be surprised if you gain more than a pound or two of muscle a week.

Starting point is 01:19:51 I mean, I've seen some pretty crazy things when it comes to muscle memory, and it really depends on the individual. In some extreme cases, there's some numbers that are almost unbelievable. But don't be surprised. I mean, if you just kind of listen to your body, strength train properly, hit your protein targets, your you just kind of listen your body strength train properly

Starting point is 01:20:05 Hit your protein targets your appetite will kind of move you in the right direction tomorrow I think my team is putting that video up and so you and I are like on the same path right now So you could totally follow the journey and I'm doing I'm talking my through it too. It's not just me working out It's me Communicating my my food choices and the training intensity and I'm literally like the advice I would give you is what I'm giving myself right now So it'll be a good one for you to kind of follow along and you can hear kind of how and I'm trying to troubleshoot Too like how many calories should I start at? I'm not really overthinking it

Starting point is 01:20:35 I'm eating when I'm hungry and I tell you what yesterday I was telling Katrina she was blown away She's like, oh my god, you're eating so much. I haven't seen you eat like this in months. I'm like, yeah No, I'm hungry. I'm like, I can tell her. I just, but I just, whole foods. If I wanted to eat again, went back, get another serving of chicken and rice. Wanted to get, got some Greek yogurt. I wanted to eat again, so went and had some cottage cheese.

Starting point is 01:20:52 Like, just if I was hungry, I was gonna feed it and I was gonna give it good choices and then I'll see how that, at the end of the week, see how that plays out about where I'm at. And if I think I'm correct, I should just put on muscle. And to Sal's point, he's right, you you know there's a chance I could put six pounds on but it'll look good it'll feel good and you'll notice that like it if you do jump weight a high amount of pounds it'll feel and it feels right then

Starting point is 01:21:16 you're probably right on the right course if you put on seven or ten pounds and you feel like you put on a lot of body fat then you're probably over shooting calories but again I'm gonna communicate this through this process, so definitely follow along. That's great information. Before I go, I want to give a shout out to Justin. I ran performance before this hike. As I said, I'm 65, not quite as agile as I used to be. That performance program really helped me on these rock scrambles and other things where

Starting point is 01:21:42 my ankles and knees and legs were taking a beating. So I appreciate that too. Awesome, man. That's rad to hear. You're kicking ass, Bill. We'll send you Math 15 if you don't got it, Bill, so you have that one. Great, I have it.

Starting point is 01:21:53 Don't worry about sending it. I have almost all of your programs. And love the stuff and love your podcast. Thank you, Bill. Thanks, Bill. Thank you. I love nothing. Those are my favorite to talk to right now.

Starting point is 01:22:06 That's inspiring for me. Yeah, and I love nothing more than people who are 20 years older than me who are into fitness. It's always been inspiring me. You know what's crazy about muscle memory? Just for people to understand just how powerful it can be, and it depends on the individual, how much muscle you lost, your situation, all that stuff. I remember one time I had injured my knee

Starting point is 01:22:27 and I wasn't able to train my legs. I think it was like six weeks. I did nothing at all for my legs. And then I measured them. I don't remember what the measurement was. I measured them and I trained my legs once. I did one workout and it was nothing. It was like the lightest weight, one whatever, and I measured them the next day and I had gained a quarter inch. like the lightest weight one whatever and I measured them the next day and had a gained a quarter inch it's crazy I gained a quarter inch on my legs in a day so I mean was it pure muscle I don't know but that's like and I could feel I was walking around and I measured them sure enough quarter inch I've seen some crazy things that's why it's an investment you know like all that work

Starting point is 01:22:57 you put in and then you step away from it but like getting it back is it's it's pretty quick it's wild 100% this is also we talked about this other day on the podcast about this is what a lot of trainers use this as a hack To like try and market themselves because trainers that have built a lot of muscle over years I mean you're gonna watch it with me You're gonna see me jump like that and those are abnormal results for somebody who's never trained But if you've been training for a long time and you've put that investment, you know, it's funny That doesn't matter the pictures are going to make everybody get so crazy. Oh, they will.

Starting point is 01:23:25 They'll think, oh, he's taking all kinds of this. He's doing that. I can't wait for those comments. So in the video, I addressed it and said, listen, everyone's going to say this. I'll tell you guys. Like, I probably will take some peptides. I probably will do some stuff.

Starting point is 01:23:36 But I'll announce it when I do. But what you're going to see right out the gates, this is all I got going on. Our next caller is Caroline from Oregon. Hi, Caroline. Hello, hello. How can we help you? Hey, first of all, thank you for having me. going on. So our next caller is Caroline from Oregon. Hi Caroline. Hello. Hello. How can we help you?

Starting point is 01:23:47 Hey, first of all, thank you for having me. I'm so excited. Love you guys. Love the podcast. I've learned so much since listening to you. So again, thank you for having me. Thank you. I'm just going to jump in with my question.

Starting point is 01:24:02 A little bit of background. I'm currently 33 years old. I'm hovering around 115 body weight. I have no issues growing muscle in my upper body, but really struggle with gaining muscle in my lower body. Genetically, I also tend to store my body fat in my upper body, less so in my lower body. So yeah, genetically, I also tend to store my body fat in my upper body less so in my lower body. So yeah, genetically, I feel like that's just the situation I'm at.

Starting point is 01:24:32 I did do anabolic. I finished that I think probably two or so months ago. Along with doing anabolic, I was doing your No BS 6-pack which I really loved and I feel like I gained a lot while also defining my abs. So a little bit of a, yeah, struggle with like knowing if I need to bump my calories up in order to gain mass in my lower body or do a little bit of cut to lose like the last

Starting point is 01:25:21 of my body fat in my upper body. So that's just been like a constant battle for me. And so my question is basically about bulking, cutting, trying to gain lower body mass. I've been really good at tracking my calories and macros for the past year or so. So I'm currently trying to aim for 2300 calories per day. Um, I really haven't changed much on the scale weight wise for like

Starting point is 01:25:52 the past year or so, um, it's hovered anywhere between like one 12. And I think my highest weight was probably like one 17. Okay. Caroline. So, uh 117. Okay. Caroline. So, uh, so, okay. Something. So I think you sent a picture, so we'll take a look at this. This will help me as well.

Starting point is 01:26:11 But do you have, are you an athlete? Do you have an athletic background? No, I haven't. I was never athletic. It wasn't until my adulthood when I started like dabbling in the gym and it's been about a year or so of me being properly consistent with it. Yeah, I think we have enough information. Okay, so someone like you, you're pretty lean, you're fit.

Starting point is 01:26:33 A lot of people don't realize this, but you can bulk into being leaner. You can bulk into definition. In other words, you don't have to choose between bulking or cutting when you want more definition, especially if you want to grow muscle in your lower body. If you were to gain seven pounds of muscle right now and not a single pound of body fat, you'd become leaner.

Starting point is 01:26:56 Even if you put one pound on you still. Your leaner is a percentage of your body weight. Just by looking at you and seeing where you're at I would say Go into a a small bulk a small surplus like don't go crazy with the bulk but go into a small surplus and Focus on getting stronger now as far as the parts of your body that you want to focus on I Like maps muscle mommy for you that program is written for What you're talking about. It emphasizes lower body gains. There's of course upper body exercises on there as well so it's all well programmed. We're

Starting point is 01:27:30 not, we're always trainers at heart so we're never gonna develop an unbalanced program but it is developing areas that women tend to want to develop more which includes things like your butt and hamstrings. I think that'd be the perfect program for you but alongside with that go in a small bulk. Don't try to get leaner by cutting, try to get leaner by bulking and that's totally possible if you're not in a crazy bulk and you're building muscle and not adding body fat. I hope that makes sense. So the question becomes where do you put your calories? If you said you're targeting 2,300 and that's not putting any weight on you whatsoever I'd go to 2,500. Perfect.

Starting point is 01:28:03 Couple hundred calories. Yeah, so couple hundred calories up, train in a bulk, and like Sal's saying, if you do the right amount, like you don't go sloppy bulking, go eat 3,000 and you're throwing milkshakes and all kinds of, like that's where your abs will start to disappear, right, as you bulk.

Starting point is 01:28:19 Which, by the way, still might, would serve you, because you, to add the surplus of calories while you're straight training your legs is gonna build muscle in your legs, but the overspill, the extra, will might would serve you because you add the surplus of calories while you're straight training your legs It's gonna build muscle in your legs But the overspill the extra will also go to body fat if we do just the right amount of you know Two or three hundred calorie bump. We should start to see some nice gains on your legs while simultaneously Keeping your abs or even leaning them out a bit So that's a perfect way to kind of get you know have your cake and eat it too. Here's an easy way to do it. I mean there's a preferred way and I'll give you the easy way. Preferred way, add a couple hundred calories, whole foods, make

Starting point is 01:28:51 sure your protein is high. Here's an easy way to do it. Eat what you're currently eating, add a 50 gram protein shake and now you're in a slight surplus extra protein. Protein is far less likely to be turned into body fat than carbs and fats and it's easy because you just eat what you're eating just add a 50 gram shake to your to your daily routine and follow MAPS Muscle Mommy and what will happen is you'll gain strength and muscle at a nice even pace without gaining body fat and as a result you'll get leaner. Okay and would I just stay at like 2,500 calories until I start seeing gains?

Starting point is 01:29:26 I would keep trying to increase calories until you get to a point where you feel like the calories are so high you're starting to put body fat on. So I would keep, if you're my client, I'd be, okay, let's go up to 2,500. Then you're like, you come back to me after three weeks and you're like, Adam, I'm just, I'm hovering around the same weight. I'm not putting any weight on it. All right, let's go to 2,700 calories. And then we'd be at 2,700.

Starting point is 01:29:47 You're like, Adam, like, you know, I put on a one pound, but then I've been stuck this one. Okay, let's go another two. And I keep doing that to you until you're like, Adam, this is so much food. I'll be like, okay, let's reverse. Let's go the other way. Now let's lean out for a little bit. And then you're going to see yourself get shredded.

Starting point is 01:29:59 Yeah. So does what I'm saying make sense though, Caroline, if you were to gain muscle without a single pound of body fat, you're leaner. Does that make sense to you? Yeah, no, it totally does. I just, I feel like, yeah, maybe I'm just not eating enough because my protein is, I'm always over my protein,

Starting point is 01:30:17 typically, like it's over my body weight, so I'm at least getting 120 grams plus, usually like 120 to 145. That's great. Sometimes it's higher than that. Good. Protein is like not an issue. I will say it's like a struggle to get to 2,300 calories

Starting point is 01:30:35 if I'm not, if I'm like conscious about not eating just like junk stuff. Yeah. And I eat pretty clean. I just, it's hard to eat that much. Yeah, that's why a shake might be easy Yeah, and you know what make it really palatable It have a peanut butter smoothie type of shake make it a good one make it something

Starting point is 01:30:51 That's like really tasty at the end of your day that adds the protein and it's okay You can you can afford you can afford to go over on calories It's gonna get more protein than hitting your like right now. You hitting your targets right. Eating more isn't gonna hurt you. Yeah. The excess calories is gonna contribute to the muscle gains whether they come from proteins, carbs or fats. I just like a shake because it's fast and easy especially when you're saying it's hard to eat more food. It's like okay let's just add a shake and then change the workout programming. I mean what you were doing was great but if you really really wanna focus on lower body,

Starting point is 01:31:27 MAPS Muscle Mommy has a bit of a different volume structure than the other programs because of who we were targeting. Your response to gives me some insight on probably what's happening. If you struggle to hit 2,300 and it takes work to do that, you probably have days where you are in a nice little surplus but then you run days where you're in a deficit. And so, and when you zoom out over a month, you're probably kind

Starting point is 01:31:47 of just hovering at maintenance. And so we're not getting enough calories to actually put the muscle on the legs like you want. And so you just need to be more, uh, tactical and strategic about hitting that number consistently and fall on a program like Muscle Mommy, it's going to come. Caroline, are you eating a good breakfast? Yeah. mommy it's gonna come. Caroline are you eating a good breakfast? Yeah I mean I and I try to eat at least 30 grams of protein with my breakfast so that's

Starting point is 01:32:10 either like oatmeal or Greek yogurt or eggs. Make breakfast one of your bigger meals it's gonna make it so much easier to hit your calories. If you're saving it for the end of the day that's when people start to get behind the eight ball and it gets very difficult. I would say make breakfast bigger. Um, it gets, it's just, for most people, it's easier. Now, some people are not like that. Some people like this. If I eat too big for breakfast, I feel terrible. But, uh, for most people that I've worked with when it comes to like trying to get more calories, if I focus on breakfast, we tend to be able to do it easier.

Starting point is 01:32:44 That, that, and, or the days that you miss that, have the tasty shake. That is like to me an easy way. Yeah, you have a peanut butter banana smoothie, like I can always put that down. At least for me, I don't know if you like stuff like that, but I mean, something that tastes good like that, I mean, that right there was an easy way

Starting point is 01:33:01 to get an additional three, 400 calories. So try that. Okay, so overall it sounds like this is a calorie issue yes yes yep yep okay definitely we'll send you maps muscle mom if you don't got it I do have it actually I knew I liked you good job are you in our forum no all right let's get you in our forum yeah Let us know how it goes in 30 days. Follow up please. Keep us posted. Okay, I will. Thank you. Okay, thanks guys. You got it. That whole concept of bulking to get leaner, I think we need to communicate it more often because it sounds like it doesn't make sense. Like what do you mean I'm eating more and I'm gonna get... That's because the traditional bulk is eat

Starting point is 01:33:47 whatever you want. That's yeah and also just pile it all with bulk. Yeah exactly that's what bulk means. Oh I get to eat pizza. That's what bulk means to so many people. Even in the fitness space. So if the fitness leaders you know interpret a bulk that way of course... I've 100% experienced this where I've gone to cut, oh, I'm struggling, I'm only at, you know, I got down to 8% body fat, it was really hard for me. Then I did like a three week bulk, and then I tested my body fat, it was like 7.5%.

Starting point is 01:34:16 I was like, what is going on? This doesn't make any sense, and then I did the math, oh, I built muscle, that's what happened. Look, if you like the show, head over to our Instagram find Justin mind pump Justin you can find me at mind pump to Stefan Owen Adams at mind pump out Thank you for listening to mind pump if your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and Maximize your overall performance check out our discounted RGB super bundle at mind pump media.com

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