Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2464: The Top 5 Unpopular, Yet Amazing, Muscle-Building Exercises (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: November 9, 2024

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Check this out. Ooh, I like this. Yes. I love this. Okay, so what's interesting about this, because you guys can see the list. You guys see what the exercises are. These are exceptionally good muscle building exercises,

but for a number of reasons, they're just unpopular. So let's start with the first one. And I don't know why I don't see more people doing this one. It's more popular than it used to be, but still I don't see enough people doing. It's because it's uncomfortable. It's hard. Front squats.

Front squats. They're like the only exercise that builds your legs better than front squats or back squats. it used to be, but still I don't see enough people doing. It's because it's uncomfortable. It's hard. It's hard. Front squats. Front squats. They're like the only exercise that builds your legs better than front squats or back squats. Front squats are the inclined bench press to bench press. Yes. It's just like that.

Everybody does barbell back squats. If they squat, I mean first you need to squat, but some people don't do that. But if you're squatting, you typically ignore front squats. Why? Because you suck at them there. You can't normally do anywhere near the same weight as you can back load. So you just back load squats all the time I feel the exact same issue is with Incline bench press people can do more weight on incline bench press or on flat bench So they neglect incline bench press and those movements are just so good

Yeah I think a lot of it has to do with holding it in either a rack position or even the crosshand position This is what I do. The wrist mobility is a huge deterrent Yes But you know you can you can use different variations of that with our crossed arm position. Crossed arm, use towels. Yeah, you can even do like In the crooks of your arm, which is I forget what that's called. The zircher. So yeah, there's other options for that, but it's such a valuable exercise. Oh my God.

It builds muscle like crazy. I want to say this. Look, if you think back to when you first learned how to back squat, it also felt awkward. It probably hurt your neck and you couldn't hold it properly, but then you learn the technique and you're able to position it properly. And now you're comfortable doing it. Okay.

Front squats are the same thing. If you've never done them or you haven't done them consistently, holding them on your shoulders, even with the crossed hand position, that's how I do them, it takes some getting used to. But once you get used to it, you get comfortable and then you can load these. Like you can really get strong with front squats. Now I do want to say this, if you do front squats every once in a great while, that's not what I'm talking about.

Like I mean, do them consistently as a staple exercise and you will see new gains in particular in your quads. Like this is a, this back, by the way, back in the day before hack squat machines and all that stuff, this was the front, this was the quad exercise. This is what bodybuilders did to develop big quads. It was back squats and then front squats. And again, they're exceptional. They require you to stand more upright so you're gonna get more quad involvement keep your elbows high as you go down and Get good at them. So practice the movement till you get good at them

But then if you could squat 315 you'll get up to the point where you get pretty close with the front squat He bet the best my legs ever looked. Yeah, also the best my chest ever looked same thing I set a goal to get my incline press as good as my flat bench and when I got really close to that was the best my chest ever looked. With my legs, the best my legs ever looked was when I set a goal to get my front squat as strong as my back squat. And I never passed them, right? I never got a front squat bigger than my back squat but I got close. I was I was front squatting over 315,

and I was working out with 405 on the back squat that time. That's pretty good weight on the front squat, at least it was for me. And then on the incline bench, same thing, I got really close to my flat bench press, and that was the most developed my chest and my legs ever looked was setting that goal. I think people too, they don't realize

that that's sort of like, it unlocks a whole not another potential for a lot of different moves, especially in the Olympic lifting realm, uh, with power cleans, with snatch, with, you know, a push press even just, you know, there's, there, it translates really well to that. Now we're strong in that rack position. Uh, and to like, you know, you're really utilizing that strength in your quads and, and, and, you know and getting proficient in that anterior strength, which we were so focused on posterior strength, which I get it, because we do everything

kind of in front of us. But what's the alternative to building your quads? What's better than a front squat? Yeah, nothing. Well, and not only that, it's arguably way more functional and practical. Yeah, because typically if you squat down with something in the real world, you're holding it. Yeah, Cause typically if you squat down with something in the real world, you're

holding it. Yeah. Yeah. You, if you pick up with your buddy, the couches, the couch to move, you don't do it on your back, you know, you've you've front squat it and for a second, I thought you said if you pick up your buddy, pick me up, it's going to be a struggle. What are you doing over there?

Adam? I'm front squatting with Justin. Yeah. All right. Front squats is number one. That's when he feels like he wants a PR. Next any weighted walking movement So like a farmer walk or a suitcase carry or a rack carry Like heavy carry now, here's why they're not popular because it doesn't fit nicely into a body part split, right?

What day do I do heavy? Walks do I do it on back day? Do it on leg day? Do it on core day? Do I do it with like I'm just training my hand and leg day? Do I do it on core day? Do I do it with, like I'm just training my hands? When I get those questions, I'm like, I just left the building. Yeah, so now these are exceptional muscle builders because of the amount of tension that they can create and the weight that you can lift.

At one point, I remember, and it was because our program, Map Strong, Map Strong is one of the programs that we have where it's programmed in regularly, right? Because it's a strongman inspired workout program. And I started doing heavy farmer walks with a trap bar. Now at this time I could probably deadlift around five, I think around 550, 545 at that time. And I got to the point where I was doing 450 pounds

on the trap bar holding it and walking for 50 yards. And my traps, my back, and my biceps grew. All from that ridiculous tension from holding that weight. And then you wanna talk about core stability. Like I felt like you could not hurt my core no matter what you did. But everybody thinks of this as like a grip exercise or a hand exercise, which it is,

but it trains the whole body and it creates such crazy central nervous system activation of the entire body. So that's how I look at it like this, and I love to harken back to the first time you talked about the analogy of the CNS and muscles and how it's like a speaker and an amplifier. And so when you are doing exercises,

you are considering that, okay, like I also want to build my CNS. I want to invest in having a more powerful CNS. Those exercises are incredible for that. So if you never prioritize a program or routine or day of lifting around, hey, let's do some things that are going to really challenge the CNS, that's an example of integrating that. I think it's obvious for strong men power lifters. I think this is a staple exercise or movement. It's funny that it's not in the bodybuilding world. In the bodybuilding world,

because of the point you bring up is like, well, what am I working? Is this a trap? They don't really consider work capacity. Yeah, but yet it has so much carryover if you invest in that amplifier that is going to carry over into all your, you know, bodybuilding exercises later on.

Well, because they're muscle motivated, right? In terms of like, in sort of movement focus, like, which I think that's probably why it's adopted more by, you know, your strongman competitors, your power lifters and such, because you know, they're very much more of like trying to, you know, improve that, that overall technique and efficiency of moving the barbell where you want it and moving. And this is a local motion exercise. This is something where too,

it's gonna provide all these variables of instability where you're gonna get challenged very directly, laterally, rotationally, and you have to adjust, and you have to stay strong, and you have to stay solid. And I'm gonna say this, okay, so where do we fit this? Probably leg day or back day if you have to adjust and you have to stay strong and you have to stay solid and I'm gonna say this Okay, so where do we fit this probably leg day or back day if you have a split? But here's what you notice by progressively overloading this so if you're not doing this regularly This is also an advantage because as you start doing it You're gonna see those newbie strength gains and as you get stronger. Here's where you notice the gains

Forearms biceps and back and probably core as well. That's where you actually see muscle growth. So consider that, try it, and do it for like six to eight weeks in a row of getting strong at it and tell me you didn't develop more muscle or build more muscle from it. All right, next up, I honestly don't understand why I don't see more of this exercise. It just doesn't make sense to me because it fits in body part workouts. It's well known. I don't know why. The only reason why I think people don't do this is because it's on body part workouts, it's well known. I don't know why, the only reason why I think people

don't do this is because it's on a flat bench and people don't want to use less than they normally can. But I'm talking about the close grip bench press. I almost never see people doing close grip bench presses for triceps and I don't understand why. It's a favorite. Favorite movement of mine, I claim this to be the movement that put the most mass on my arms was this exercise.

I actually prefer it on an incline bench. I just think it's more comfortable that position, but it can be done on an incline or a flat, but it is absolutely a forgotten, unused exercise. It's very rare that I walk in a gym and I see this, yet it should be a movement that you see. When you think about the obvious top five that we always talk about, you see those in the gym.

You'll never go in the gym and not see somebody squatting, somebody deadlifting, somebody bench pressing, somebody rowing. I mean, that's for sure you're gonna see those movements, right? But the ones that we're listing today. You just rarely see them. You rarely do see them.

Or you rarely see them programmed. And yet, if you think about them as, you know, right outside the top five, so this would be considered top 10, top 20 exercises for sure, you should see it in every workout. Somebody doing it, especially in a commercial gym, yet you don't. And so.

And especially with the ability to load at a substantial amount more. Totally. Those exercises are always more valuable because now you're going to challenge that extra bit of a louder signal which will go directly towards your desired outcome. Here, try this.

For the next six weeks, replace your first tricep exercise with closed grip bench press and get stronger at it and then tell me you don't see significant gains in your tricep exercise. For sure you will. You will for sure. And that brought this up the last time we brought about, talked about closed grip bench press,

is the carryover to your bench press, which everybody loves that, right? Everybody loves bench press. And so if you love bench press and you want to improve your bench press, many times the limiting factor on a bench press is the lockout. And that is the tricep. And so your ability to do close grip bench and get stronger in that will carry over to your bench press. All right, next. Now this is a popular exercise, but oftentimes people don't do it this way, and that is one rep sets of weighted pull-ups. What do I mean by that? Well, just like when you do your deadlift,

where you're hitting a one rep set, where it's loaded heavy, it's not your max, but it's 95% your max or 90% your max, and you're doing just one rep and that's your set, try that with pull-ups. Load something around your waist, go up there, do one grinding pull up with a weight that you might be able to do two with,

so you're just doing one, do five sets of that, watch how strong you get and how well developed your lats get. Essentially nobody ever does pull ups in this way. Yeah, a lot of these types, even dips I would say, well not quite as much as I would see with pull ups, like because it's such a challenging exercise already. But it's definitely rep focused.

And I think that it just gets lost into the rep focused where you can take some of these exercises, you add load, you reduce your reps and now it's like pure strength focused. I mean, pure transparency. I neglected this in all exercises until we all really got together. I never trained under five reps. It was just to me, I always thought, Oh, I'm not going to be a power lifter. I don't really care about max yet. Totally missed out on the gains that came from that. And I

remember when we first started podcasting together, I was in the thick of bodybuilding. and I went on this kick of starting to train singles, doubles and triples on exercises that I knew they had great carryover, the deadlift, the squat, the pull up, these movements that were these big strong compound movements by actually going, hey, I'm gonna do eight sets of ones. You know, like I said, pick a weight,

I could probably grind out two or three, but just do one for like eight sets. And holy shit did my strength come up. I mean, everything moved up from that. And even though I was a bodybuilder person, I saw the gains aesthetically. It wasn't just, I got stronger in the gym. Obviously that me getting stronger in the gym translated to me being able to lift more weight in all of my lifts, which translated in me building

more muscle than I had built at that time, totally missed out on that in my early career because I just neglected to ever do singles, doubles or triples. Next up, heavy sled movements, in particular heavy sled driving. And I think the reason why we don't see this often is sled work tends to be relegated to like athletic performance and speed, which it's great for that. But if you've never loaded a sled to get real heavy, where you can only take 10 steps or 15 or 16 steps, like it becomes a real strength exercise. Now, one of the benefits of sled movements in general is there's no negative

part of the rep. Now I know negative part of the rep builds muscle and all that stuff, but it also causes a lot of damage. So you can add sled work to your workout and not add a lot more damage, but add some really incredible volume. And then the strength you get all the way down to the tip of your toes is incredible because it involves the foot, the calf,

the hamstrings, the quads, and the glutes. It's all concentric. It's all concentric. Which is rad, you don't find that a lot available with exercises, where it's like you can just really focus on that first initial contraction. And then because the negative part, that's always

in the stability part, it takes a lot more control. And it's a little bit more damaging if you increase the weight. but if it's all explosive power going into that, it's very beneficial. Even as the bodybuilder guy, I loved the sled. It was such a great way to build volume into my programming and not to over train. That was one of my favorite ways. If I had just heavy backloaded, squatted just a couple days before and was

still recovering from that I knew better than to go back into another like big heavy squat day or something from there but yet I wanted to get this massive pump on my legs and some of the best pumps I've ever had in my quads was driving the sled you want to get a massive pump grind like heavy weight and push it slow on a sled and watch I'll pump your legs get and then the carryover now. I know we're talking about aesthetics here Okay, but here a little side note the carryover for functional performance real-world application I'll argue the sled is is at the top mainly because I am pushing through my toes like very rarely in a sport Are you flat-footed while you're driving?

You're almost always on the balls of your feet unless you're getting knocked on your butt. And so the sled strengthens the calf and the foot. How often do we strengthen our foot in that position? You'll see this. If you've never done this before, you'll notice like, wow, I felt my foot working. There's a lot of muscle on the bottom of your feet that need to get strengthened as well, which have lots and lots of carryover to posture, to strength, stability, the whole nine yards. By the way, special mention, I know we said five, special mention heavy dumbbell pullovers. You still don't see these very often. You can go really heavy on these. You can treat these like a strength exercise they used to back in the day. And it's not really even a compound lift, but in my experience

with my training and other people's training, you can get pretty damn strong with this and get some really, really well developed. Why do you think it doesn't get, why do you think it's falling out of favor? I mean, it's, it's taking the lats through a good range of motion. So it's not like it's a shortened partial type of exercise. Like it's, you can load it really good too. It's not like you can only do with like, why? I mean, that's a good question. It's a good question as to why it was even considered strength.

Back in the day with, with bodybuilders, they would, they would compete over a pullover, which is also equally as weird. So I don't know. I have no idea why maybe because a straight arm pullover, pull down is easier with a cable. Yeah. But then it's, you can't load it the same way. Yeah. You can, you can load a dumbbell pullover.

Cross bench. I mean, you give me 140 pound dumbbell and I'm, I mean, I will build my lats. Yeah. Yeah. And it's in, you are, you could take it to this great range of motion. So it's like, I don't understand why it's, it's fallen out of favor. I mean, we talked about it not that long ago and I instantly implemented it into my routine because it's like, Oh, you're right. I have not, yeah, I haven't done that. Maybe just cause the setup on it's different. I don't know. Yeah. It's weird that you don't see what's, it's weird. You know, what's weird too What's funny is where I work out the two times. I've seen people do a crossbench pullover. I'm watching them

I'm like, I wonder if they're following a maps program and they were both times I walked up and I said are you following? Oh my god. Yeah, that's what I thought when I saw people do in the windmill Yeah, it was the same. Yeah, don't just randomly do that. Yeah. All right. All right, since we're talking about muscle building I'm gonna give a little Mention to my ultimate muscle building meal and I know we've talked about this before and it's the same meal for you guys but it's inexpensive you get great macros great protein and It's palatable. It tastes good. It's not something that's gross or whatever. And it's just, and I still go back,

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becomes a standalone by itself or becomes like a breakfast bowl. Or if you're like a college student and you're like, I need, how do I save money? It's the most inexpensive, healthy, like great meal you could do. Yeah. And I know you're talking about butcher box and everything like that in it. And obviously a grass-fed version is the best,

a better way to do this. But this is such a good example because you get people sometimes like, it's so expensive to eat healthy. And it's like, it's not if you do things like that. Yeah. Especially when you- Even grass-fed ground beef is not expensive. Especially when you compare it to eating out.

If you compare it to eating out, then absolutely. If you compare it to just straight up calories to McDonald's 99 cent menu, then yeah, that's where you're gonna run into that. But nutrient-wise, what you're getting out of a, you know, 99 cent menu at McDonald's versus what you're getting in it. Do they still have a 99 cent menu by the way with inflation? I think it might be $1.99.

That's a $2.99 menu. It used to be $1.99. Do you know that they change dollar stores now? They're not dollar stores anymore. Yeah, they had to. What do they call it now? They still call it that though? They do because there's the dollar general. But when you go in there it's like everything is $3.00 or something like that. They totally, because there's the dollar general. Oh, I think you're right, they still call it that, but when you go in there, it's like, everything is three dollars and less,

or something like that. They totally changed the whole thing. That's hilarious. Isn't it ridiculous? That is hilarious. All right, so I got some, I just read about this interesting invention. Do they still have it, Doug?

You find it? They do not. Yeah, okay. No longer exists. You get one French fry? All right, check out this invention that is pretty amazing in fact as I was reading this I'm like Justin could really make a like he could do great

with this invention yeah so just wait for it okay so South Korean professor Cho Jae-Hwan he developed a groundbreaking toilet that transforms human waste into energy and it rewards its users with digital currency. What? So each person's daily 500 grams of feces is converted into 50 liters of methane gas. Wow. Which produces half a kilowatt of energy. When you do that, the in this,

this, this toilet, which is hooked up to the web or whatever, it sends you a digital currency. This is the funny part. It's called shit coin. Is that real? It's not real. Are you being trolled? No, it's real. It's real. Really? Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. But yeah, you create energy from, uh, from your poop apparently. Wow. My friend, Edward crushed that. Yeah, but yeah, you create energy from from your poop apparently Now like the hydrogen cars, isn't that what we what we're on to right now is the hydrogen You know, it's been around for a while. Why is it coming back?

I saw some articles on like some new some car that's being made right now that that runs on hydrogen and it's supposed to go like 700 and something miles and go so fast. It's like, why are, why, I don't understand. That was always, if I recall, that was always the best technology from what I heard, but what are the drawbacks? I don't know, I don't understand why. It crashes and it explodes.

The only thing that has ever made sense to me when people talk about something like that is that the, you know, companies like Exxon and stuff like that, that lobby against that is what's so powerful. It's less to do with how great that technology, how smart, affordable, and better it would be. It's more to do with the people who control it right now.

Or fight so. They just run on water, right? Who's the car brands that are adopting that right now? It was like, there was like two that just merged. It was like Toyota and somebody else. I think you're right, Justin. I think we probably saw the same article. That's what made me bring it up. Yeah. There's there I think one of the big brands merged with

somebody else. I was like they're finally adopting this. You know how they talk about technology that is sticky. You know like if you like for example our maps programs are on this use this product that manages them and to jobbing. It administers all that stuff. If we ever wanted to switch out of there, it'd be such a pain in the ass to move everything that we're just gonna stay there, all right? We're just gonna stay, it's sticky.

I wonder if one of the issues with this is just the infrastructure. Like they create a carb, okay, now we're gonna get hydrogen from it. Of course, yeah. Cause they already have all the systems, they have all the shit. Toyota Mera introduced a 2014 remains a cornerstone Toyota's hydrogen efforts.

Now in the second generation, 2024 Mera features an enhanced driving range up to 400 miles, improved aerodynamics, advanced safety features. The Mera continues to gain traction in markets like California and Europe. See, the problem is the infrastructure. Cool. That's gotta be it. Like there's nowhere to fill up, you know what I mean? That's probably the,

isn't it just water? Yes, but I think there's something about it. I don't think it's just, I don't think you just load it with water. Oh, you don't think it's like, just like he's like a hybrid with like electric or I wonder, yeah, there you go, Doug. Uh, how do you fuel up? Let's look that up. Because I think it's just water. I mean, party like that's available everywhere. Yeah. See, I think you have to go to a hydrogen pump. Yeah, there is a pump.

Yes. Oh, wow. So that, so the infrastructure, so it's. There's a car, they actually have a car already being sold in production right there. Yeah. So where do you get these? Does that mean it doesn't make sound like

electric cars? Probably not. I hate that. I hate that. It just bubbles. It sounds like a bong. I hate that. It just bubbles. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Sounds like a bong. What was that? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I'm so curious in like how this is all going to play out because it's all coming so fast. You have hydrogen cars. You have so many people adopting electric vehicles and hybrids. And you just, we have self-driving cars that are popping up all over the place. They already have self-driving taxis in San Francisco.

I know. I've been in LA, I've watched our friend, Jen Cohen. I've seen her multiple times now in her story. And she took one? She's been getting shuttled around in a driverless car. And, and she- See, I would just be afraid, just kind of paranoid that I'm in there and then, you know, the government's like, oh. Well, I heard that somebody remote is still controlling

those, or are they fully automated? I don't know. That's a good question. Some shit with a little bit of a bug. I literally heard that. I saw that feature on Tesla. Somebody was posting a story the other day of that where you have this app with Tesla,

and you can have your car brought to you. So if you parked it. Oh, if it's parked. Yeah, you park it in a huge car. That's such a sick feature. Yeah, it is cool, right? Especially the other times, too, where you guys have parked. I do this every time we fly. And I'm like, oh, shit, I forgot to take a picture of where I parked. Yeah, you park in a huge parking lot. I saw a sick feature. That is cool, right? Especially the other times, too, where you guys have parked. I do this every time we fly.

And I'm like, ah, shit, I forgot to take a picture of where I parked. You know what I'm saying? You're in the airport. Did you hear what Justin did once? No. He did that. And he had to walk around the whole, right? Did you have to walk around the whole airport to find your car?

Oh, in San Francisco. Yeah. Yeah, I literally had no idea where I parked it. Because it was like, we started out in San Jose. And then it was so bad. They kept like shifting flights and all this like screw it let's try to go out of San Francisco and so we went up to San Francisco and I just like in a rush like cuz we were like a picture huh yeah and then San Francisco you know how crazy I don't even know what layer I was on you know I

was like it took me like I think four different attempts at like walking the entire. And you're pushing the alarm, trying to hear it. Yeah. I've done that at San Jose before because San Jose has the two different parking garages. And so I actually did take a picture. I had the right level and I had the wrong garage. So I'm like, oh, I'm like, this is make sense.

I have the, I come out for a long time. If I realize, oh shit, I was in the whole wrong garage. I did that once and I kept hitting the alarm thing and I kept hearing my car and it was so frustrating so I could hear it, but I couldn't find it. You know what it was? It was right above me. Oh God. But it sounded like it was down where I was and I kept walking around like, where is it? Bro, it was so funny. I actually told the kids in Courtney, like,

because they were kind of following me and I'm like, you guys stay here where the elevators are and don't follow me. And I was like, so pissed sprinting, you know, not wanting to be around me. I can only imagine how pissed you were too, cause you get back from a long trip and saying, you just want to get home and get out of there and you're like spinning over it. Oh God.

Speaking of angry and stuff, I thought of this the other day because I had a friend of mine who was just about to get married, and he was like, hey, do you have any advice or whatever? And first off, I'm like, well, I was divorced once. They probably don't ask me, but I said.

But no, so all joking aside, I said, well, here's some things at you that totally help if you guys ever get in an argument. And I was messing with them, right? Yeah. So I'm like, if your wife's ever, so I want to hear what you guys think. I said, well here's some things that totally help if you guys ever get in an argument. I was messing with them, right? So I'm like, if your wife's ever, so I want to hear what you guys think. I said, here's something, if your wife's ever really mad at you,

if you just say this, it totally calms things down. I said, just tell her, say, you should probably just calm down. Totally, and he looked at me all confused, you know? And my wife was there looking at me like, can you please tell her to joke? It works so well. Do you need a timeout? Do you need to ask your wife when she's in a bad mood like that, can you please tell her to check your back? It works so well. Do you need a timeout?

It works as good as asking your wife when she's in a bad mood like that, if she's on her period. That's about as good as that one. Do I need to go get some chocolate? No, you'll get killed. They don't like that. You'll get killed if you did something like that.

I'm trying to think of things that really- That you should never say. That I get with that, yeah, where Katrina's just like, she gets really pissed. I'm probably, it's probably more if I'm being sure then that's what will really annoy her for no reason. Right. Because I'm going to, I normally don't, there's not a lot of things that I can say to her that will really send her off the edge. If I were to say something stupid like that,

where I probably calm down, she'll laugh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or if I said something, I interrupted and solved the problem for while she's talking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or if I said something, interrupt her and solve the problem for her. Yeah. Love that. While she's talking. Well, hold on. Courtney's gone. Okay. That's explaining that. Oh, so that Katrina does get mad at that, right? Like I, there's times where I'm like telling her something and then she gets mad or she'll, she'll be like, roll her eyes. Like I didn't need you to explain that to me or tell me like that. I'm like, well, you asked, like, I didn't need you to explain that to me, or tell me like that. I'm like, well, you asked, I thought you didn't know,

and so you wanted, so. I get that one wrong quite a bit, actually. Nobody just wanna be heard. By the way, mansplaining is when a man explains something. Yes. Yes. See, I appreciate when you do that. Yes.

I don't know why, you know. No, it's hilarious. Now that I have a teenage daughter too, it's funny because now I'll hear. She probably calls it out. Her mom and her stepmom will now say it to me quietly. When something's happening, they'll look at me, Now that I have a teenage daughter too, it's funny because now I'll hear her mom and her stepmom will now say it to me quietly. When something's happening, they'll look at me,

oh, she's about to start a period. Oh, it's okay for you guys to talk about it amongst yourselves, but I can't bring it up like it matters. That's the inside club. Yeah, yeah. We're not part of it. You're not allowed to do it. Dude, I just saw this, so I don't know

when this episode airs, but I think we're still gonna be in election season when this is coming out. Or is this? No, this is post-election. This is post-election. Okay, fine. Oh my God.

We have a new president right now. Unless we don't know yet because shit hit the fan. Who knows, right? We don't know. But I was reading these stats and I'm just like, you know, and maybe it's good that this is after elections people are gonna calm down a little bit, but man, the political marketing is so ridiculous and so effective that people literally believe the

craziest thing. I just read this survey. I'm going to read this to you. This was a survey where they surveyed liberal Americans, moderate Americans, and conservative Americans. The moderate Americans and conservative Americans. And the question was, or the statement was, Donald Trump wants children to learn that slavery was a good thing. What? Ready for this? Liberal?

The people that believed it. A majority of liberals believe that's true. How, you could just say whatever the fuck you want, you know, at this point. Dude, a majority believe that's true. What that highlights, though, is how good of marketing the other side does to their people, right? Because if you consider yourself that side,

you probably consume all of that content. And 90% of the content is attacking him. He's racist. He's sexist. He's all these things. And so it's believable. Of course, I could see him saying that. That's so funny.

I mean, I was actually talking about this with Corey because I saw the post with, you know, Kamala had a picture of her in a McDonald's outfit. And it turns out it was totally fake. There was a girl that they took the picture of this girl that was an employee at McDonald's and they superimposed her face on it and it was proven. But like, none of my friends are voting for her. They don't believe it or they don't care or anything. And so it's just like, okay.

Now did she willingly share or get behind it or is that just somebody else? It probably went viral. Yeah, I think she shared it. Yeah, but it doesn't really matter unless she, like it'd be, okay, if she had any role in making the AI and doing that. Oh, she shared it? Yes.

So it was fake, but she shared it? Yes. That would be really bad. Oh, that's hilarious. Are you sure about that? Because that would be really bad. Fact check it. That would be really bad.

Another, like, if someone else did it, then it's like, well, whatever. That's what was presented, it was presented to me. And again, like, I have to be careful. I don't believe anything. fact check it that would be really bad another like if someone else did it it's like It's how they it was presented to me and again like I have to be careful. I don't believe the game again I know it's like it's so tough like Sal's like yeah, I don't believe the game of politics The political game is this first off they spend billions of dollars. They are masters of manipulation Yeah, they're the best manipulators. There's so much at stake here, people need to understand. There's massive corporations, billionaires, governments, all have a vested interest in getting certain people

elected or getting the other person not elected. So you're talking about the master manipulators of the world converging and working together. Damn. I don't think she posted it. I mean, no. Somebody else did. No, it's been pretty well proven that it's fake, and I don't think she posted it. I mean no somebody else did no it's been pretty well proven that it's fake and

I don't think she's sure I don't see anywhere that she did. I'll keep searching. Well, you are in Google So my point with this is is that and nobody goes to jail for lying and you can say anything and The damn once the damage is done, the person will come back and say, oh, that's not true, it's proven not true, it doesn't matter, it's already gone viral. So the name of the game, so do you guys remember when we were younger, before the internet was a big thing,

do you remember tabloids? Where you were in the line at the grocery store? Wolf boy? Yeah, wolf boy, or woman that gives birth to three turtles, or weird lies, right? It was like Sun and Enquirer. They still exist, I believe. They do, but nobody needs to know.

Oh yeah, oh yeah. That's like real news now. My grandma loved those, dude. Yeah, she read all those weird things. Always, always, you know? It's just a bunch of gossipy, like false stuff. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's what this is all about.

So it's just, it's hard to parse out, and it's effective, that's why they do it. It is, what's unfortunate, I mean, I feel like I'm most disappointed in us, as a society, that we don't demand conversations around policies and things. We allow the identity politic game to be played. Like, who cares?

I really don't, like, I don't care about Kamala as a person. I don't care about Trump as a per like there. If you were in politics, if you seek presidency, you probably are a bit of a narcissist. You're probably not somebody I'm with. The fact that you want to be. So I don't care. So I don't care who you are really as a person.

I care about the things that you're gonna put into play. Or what you've already voted for. And what is going to affect us economically, socially, like our country, our cities, like that stuff matters the most to me. So the fact that people allow us to get manipulated that way and turn it into he's the bad man or she's a stupid person. Like it's like, let's just talk about the stuff

that they plan to do and let's debate that. That is such a better way to communicate. Right away like I don't even want to ever talk to somebody when they attack the person. It's like I don't know like you you already have been manipulated so much that your go-to thing to slam the other opponent is about them. Like I don't like as a, like I don't care about them as a person. It doesn't, it's irrelevant to me. I don't believe any of them. They got to that position, being able to manipulate, lie, step on people and other backdoor deals.

It's like who cares? It's gotten to such a crazy place. And I think marketing has gotten so much more effective because of social media. It's in your face more often. So the same- Because the majority of us are same, the old game is just more effective now. It's because the majority of us are stupid. And the majority of us are sheep and can be manipulated

and caddled into any direction that we want to by playing to our emotions and our feelings and playing the identity. It's unfortunate that we don't demand more. And we don't allow, we don't play that game. And you know what else is crazy? Here's stuff that nobody even accounts for. Other countries will play into the game

to mess with the system. Of course. And it's so hard to control because there's no way of knowing who's doing what. Not only that, but then it spun as the opponent is the one who is colluding with that country when it's like, really, that country just wants it for their. They just want to mess with us.

I heard an interesting thought. It was from Dave Smith, the comedian. He's a libertarian. He was talking about the moment there was this big movement on Occupy Wall Street was big on the left. They're all like in camping there. It was like, but they're targeting the elites at this point. Right. And, and on the other side of it, I'm trying, always like the tea party was the other side of that all simultaneously, both, you know, really addressing like the bigger picture of like the elites and like why, you know, all this

money is like, you know, uh, being distributed this way and all stuff of the elites and why all this money is being distributed this way and all this stuff. And then all of a sudden now you see the switch right after that of identity politics and bombarding the whole new cycle with race stuff and with gender stuff and all of that. It all happened right after that. Well, if you see a big movement in your, if you're one of these manipulators, these puppet masters, and you're an expert, remember, okay, again, I gotta say this again, they're smarter than you are, way smarter than you are at manipulation.

So don't think you're like, you're so smart that you can't see as well, but that's what they do. If they see a movement, they don't stop the movement, they go in and infiltrate the movement. And the way they infiltrate the movement is they start putting in little messages that slowly divert people into, and it's not hard to get pissed off people, more pissed off in a little bit of a different direction, in creating other boogeymen. And that's just the way.

I also hate the narrative around the elite. Like the elite are all these awful people. And the reason why that one triggers me so much is because I was raised that way. I was taught that evil money was evil people that had lots of money were bad people and the opposite was true when I reached that place when I got to that place where I was actually around people that were like that some of the best people some of the kindest people some of the most giving people that ever met were elite were the people that made they weren't they weren't elite bro we're talking no that's not that's. We're talking about wealthy people. Well, let me tell you, that's what...

You didn't hang out with Diddy. You didn't hang out with world leaders. Those are celebrities. That's not elite. See, that's the problem, though, is we lump everybody who's been successful in the elite category. You're right. It's a general name. That's why it's terrible. There's a huge difference between a politician, a musician, artist, and just people that are super wealthy because they built great businesses and made a lot of money. But we tend to talk about them as if they're this one... You lump them in together. Yes.

That's why I hate that term of elite. It's the policy makers. Yeah, I know. I know what you mean. Yeah, and that's a problem. You actually need to target though. Like you need, I mean, if you're going to move the needle, you got to go to the mouth, you know. You know, my favorite thing? Whatever the needle, you gotta go to the mouth, you know. What are the saying is?

The horse's mouth. There you go. You know what my favorite evidence on this is? Follow Congress's stock picks. Just do that. Just follow the stock market, the things that they pick in the stock market, what they invest in.

And you will see blatant, blatant, blatant insider trading. They know the laws that are about to pass. They'll buy the company, whatever. And they outperform. It's crazy that that's legal. They outperform the best investment. Bro, there's social media influencers that have made a living off of sharing that stuff for people.

And a lot of them get blocked and taken down. Yeah. But there's a lot of people that have made good money just by simply doing that. Just copying them. Yeah, yeah. I was listening to somebody who was just doing an interview on a podcast

and they said like four or five years ago, I wish I could give the name of the handle, but they're like, they were talking about the success they've had in the stock market and they're like, yeah, I actually just started following this page that does all what the politicians are. And I just literally, every time they posted this person just bought this,

I just followed their lead and bought it. So messed up. And they've crushed it. They've earned like 35% on their money in like the last five years, just by simply whatever the politicians bought, I just followed it and bought it. And I'm like, God damn it, I should have done that. Yeah, by dumb asses.

Well, I mean, you knew at one point, you knew somebody that knew somebody who was part of the quote unquote elite in the political class. Yeah, yeah. And they they told you like one story in particular you've told me a couple times was how they have families side fans the real families and they have their picture families and everybody knows about it nobody by the way that was coming from the horse's mouth this is like somebody who's like directly directly connected like the wife of a president, like that connected.

That's how this person was and I knew them. And I won't say who or what, but I will say that that was something told to me. And I was like, no way. Like, yes, it's like behind the doors, they agree. Everybody knows. You can come after my political family, you know, and what we put out there,

but you don't touch my real family. You can go over here. My real kids, my real wife, my, as like, well, shut the up. Are we really being like duped like that much that like we had you, like it's not even really like the real, like the real true families that might, I mean, it's believable though. It is because especially, I mean, I remember when I was the cards, house of cards was a great, like I think a great depiction of what it's probably, and everybody that I know that's in that world that has said, Dad is probably one of the best depictions of how it really gets down.

And you know that those relationships, they're paired together. You don't take a super powerful guy and just marry an average Jane. He needs to marry a powerful woman who's well-connected, who can speak in front of the camera, do all these things because, or else they're never gonna reach the top. You need both the husband and the wife to have that kind of power.

So it makes you wonder like, oh my God, like how many of these. Yeah, like I wonder what happened behind the scenes, like a real, real happened behind the scenes when Bill got busted, you know, getting a blow job in the White House by Hillary. Because they stayed together. I wonder what else he did.

I totally feel like that. That's like, you idiot. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You go to a conversation like, you dumbass. You couldn't wait until you got here. I feel like it was a conversation. Now I have to act like I care. Yeah, I know.

God, now I got to go do all this. I'm like, you know what you're doing for the next six months? And then she's like, he was punished. You know what I'm saying? He was punished at home for some shit. And that's exactly what it was like. It was not like, oh know what you're doing for the next six months? And then she'd probably, he was punished. You know what I'm saying? He was punished at home for some shit. And that's exactly, it was like, it was not like, oh, we're divorcing, oh, none of that bullshit matters. It was like, literally, you're an idiot, you know,

now for the next six months, you're doing the dishes because of that bullshit. No, something like that, you know? It was like, I could totally see that conversation happening, dude. Anyway, so the black, I gotta talk about this because Black Friday's here. Oh! So. We're doing something different this time. So the black, I gotta talk about this because Black Friday's here.

We're doing something different this time. Yes, yes. Who's our company that we're working with right now that has a really crazy? PRX. PRX. Yeah, PRX has got a great black. PRX has a really good Black Friday deal going on right now. So great exercise equipment,

which I love because it gets people set up for January. What are they doing, Doug? What is their deal? Yeah, so all their racks and profile folding benches are on sale. So it starts on 11-1, goes through Cyber Monday on the 2nd. Hundreds of dollars off. Yeah, hundreds of dollars off.

I mean, substantial discount. Which, by the way, they don't do a lot of sales. So people, OK, when I would negotiate these contracts with our partners, one of the hardest ones to negotiate was PRX. And not because they're hard to work with by any means or anything like that. I ran into this with every equipment or company like this because in that industry, the margins are so slim. It's very competitive.

Very slim, yeah. It's very heavy. So discounts are- And so like discount, they're just, they don't make a lot. And so as much as you would love to have like, and all my friends and family always tell me, oh, you got to hook up on gym equipment. It's like, I get a little bit of a tiny discount. It's not very much because the margin.

So when they discount by hundreds of dollars, that is better than any discount I have ever seen personally that I could even have access to and we work with these companies and partnerships with them so that's a hell of a black Friday. Speaking of which this is the first time we've ever done this is I'm excited about ours. We're gonna give away a vacation to the MinePump house in Park City. By the way for people who don't know so this house we we outfitted it and optimize it for biohacking for fitness for health, so this house, we outfitted it and optimized it for biohacking, for fitness, for health. So literally the house itself, first off, it's a sick place

in a great location, especially if you love to ski, especially if you love good restaurants, like it's amazing. But in the house, first off, in the garage, we've got a PRX gym, we have an incredible sauna, like a beautiful sauna, there's a cold dip in there as well. You have red light therapy in the bedrooms. You have sleep systems on the beds. Am I missing anything?

Steam room. Movie theater. Movie theater. Arcade. Hot tub. Hot tub, arcade. So when you go there and stay there, like if you're a fitness fanatic.

You're set up. Like do this, that's what you gotta do. Do the cold dip, lift, follow it with the sauna, then do some red light therapy. Watch how great you feel. And you'll have- You'll be humming. Oh yeah, you'll feel incredible.

You can see the house at mindpumprentals.com, right Doug? That's correct. Yeah, so if you wanna see what the house looks like, it's at mindpumprentals.com. I mean, you're talking about something that runs close to $1,000 a night, that we're going for a five night stay, plus we're doing a $1,000. So if you got to fly from somewhere,

so we can try and take care of that, cover your travel. So basically trying to set up and then it's got three bedrooms plus a pullout couch. So if you wanted to go with your family and friends and do that, you'd be more than welcome to do it. You got kids, they can stay in the theater. Yeah, really, really cool. And yeah, yeah, we actually have air. We have a couple of King error mattresses there too. So if you had overflow that you could stay inside there with even more people than that.

Something we've never done before, thought it would be really cool. We all kind of got to put our heads together and thought what can we do for Black Friday that's unique, special, to give away outside of all the great deals and stuff that we have. Yeah, so we're doing 60% off of programs, but then with this, every time you get a bundle,

you get 10 entries to win that program, five entries, and then everything else is one entry. So the more things you get at discount, the more of these entries you get. Stock up. And by the way, there's gonna be two winners. Yeah. Excuse me.

Yeah. Excuse me, and both of you are getting vouchers and five day stay. Right, right. It makes things for Clempt. The more of those things you do. Yeah, it does, it's just like, Yeah.

The more of the entries that you get, the more likely you are to get pulled for one of the two winners, and then we'll announce it after the whole Black Friday sale is all over. So good luck, go get it, and hopefully get into it. I love it when people stay there, dude. I love it because they'll send us pictures

and tell us all about it. Yeah. So I wish there were more places like this. So the idea with this place was we were gonna buy a property and create an experience centered around fitness, health, biohacking, reduce inflammation, the whole deal. That's why we outfitted.

I wish there were more places like this. When I pick hotels, you guys know this, I always look at the gym. I would. I mean, this is my fault, it's not. It's my fault, it's not. I mean, this has been one of the hardest parts about this business is all the different things

that we have going on. This has been a vision of mine for a long time. I believe one day we will have 10 of these rentals all over that are outfitted like this. They just, it takes a lot of work to build them out, to market them, to get them filled up, to actually cash flow enough. It's expensive, yeah.

Yeah, and just straight transparency. it's a lot of work and effort to cashflow enough to justify the time that it takes to do that. I believe in it. I believe that it's a model that nobody is doing really, that I think there's a huge opportunity. But like any business with a great opportunity, it still requires a lot of time and effort into it.

And we really haven't. We've literally just finished the website, like what, a month ago or two? The website finally got finished to actually present it well. We don't market it. We bring it up on the show a handful of times. And it does well. I mean, the place gets rented out probably half the year,

but if it needed to be really profitable, we need to be written that sucker out every single day of the year, and then it would make sense to get another one. So I still see that as something in the future. It's just an area that we haven't put a lot of energy and focus. So I tell you guys what, one of the gifts

that we're doing for my four year old for his birthday. What's that? So my wife, so you guys know how he's like super into garbage trucks. Yeah, oh I thought you were gonna talk about plants that eat things. No, but we did get that too. I found a place nearby.

Oh it's a local place. Carnivorous plants and we got him a pitcher plant which It's a local place. Carnivorous plants, and we got him a pitcher plant, which he's freaked out over. Oh, you've seen it? Oh yeah, I showed you guys a picture, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, he told his mom, take a picture of me next to it. That's right.

So excited, right? And I get home yesterday, and he's like, ba-ba, we could put ants in there and bugs, but I don't want them to be dead. I wanna see them struggle and fall. I'm like, okay, we're gonna be the setup. Help me. Yes.

I told Jessica too, she's like, how are we gonna get live, because he wants live bugs to go in. I'm like, well, I could get a fly and I could pull the wings off and then put her, she's like, I don't want to teach him to torture. Yeah, and I'm like, I mean, I used to do that. Every boy does that.

I know, but you think about it, I get it. But it's an incentive. I know, I know. You could probably go go buy like a like a pet store or something, you probably get a bunch of animal pets or like little bugs and things like that you could probably throw. Oh, I could catch, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna catch a fly. They're easy to catch. And then you just grab them with some tweezers and then you put them on there and they go and then they'll slide down the

pitcher. Anyway, we did that. So what we have coming at the end of the week is the garbage company, we told them it's his birthday. So they're gonna pull up in the garbage truck, they're gonna have balloons. No they're not. Yeah dude, and he's gonna go in and they're gonna let him. No they're not.

They're gonna show him the truck. You got the garbage man to do that? Yeah dude. That's rad. My wife actually called the company. I mean she's so thoughtful with birthdays. That's hilarious. I'm terrible with birthdays, I'm just like, buy something.

She literally called the company and they're like, yeah, we'll do that for you. So she's in contact with him. Loses his mind. He's gonna lose his mind. What a cool idea. Isn't that cool? That is a really cool idea.

I can't wait. And that's actually really cool that they're willing to do that. It's great. Well, actually they love it. When they see little kids waving at them and stuff, I think they really appreciate that kind of stuff. I teach the... I see that in the fire I think they really appreciate that kind of stuff. I teach the, I teach them.

I see that in the fire trucks. Yes. Yeah, that same kind of response. Yeah, so we have a fire department, not too far from the house, we walk by when we go to the park, and if the garage is open, we'll pause to look at the truck,

and if they're out there, they always bring stickers and invite us in. Yeah, they're great about it. They love it. If you guys ever want to do that, I've been waiting for Max to care or ask about that, because I have a buddy that has told me already, like, hey, whenever you want to take your son for a ride,

I'll take him for a ride in the truck. In the fire truck? Uh-huh. Oh, man. I have a contact for that guy I went to high school with. That's great. He's a firefighter. No, I can't wait.

But I always teach him, too, whenever we see working men and women either fixing the sidewalk or doing the lamppost work, I always pause and I say thank you to them in front of the kids, because I want them to know. Like, they're working hard, we should appreciate what they're doing. Type of deal. That's actually so cool.

Isn't that fun? Now what I hope they do, I don't know if they're gonna allow this, but I hope he gets a chance to sit in there and then push one of the buttons. I don't know if they'll let you do that. Oh, they have it like, eee, and crush. Oh, dude, if he could push the grabber arm.

Oh, the grabber arm? Oh, oh, he'll, oh, that's it, dude. He'll lose his mind. I'll never hear the end of it. That'll be like the end of it. It'll be the greatest birthday of all time. Oh, it's so great. If we do that.

Yeah, that's sick. That's sick. We have a shout out? I think we should mention that we're doing a webinar this next Tuesday. It's for trainers. Oh, is it next Tuesday? Yes. Okay, so this next Tuesday? Yes. Okay.

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Get that 30 days for free. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Erica from Arizona. Hi Erica. Is that a home gym? Hello, hello. What's up guys, how Erica. Is that a home gym? Hello. Hello. What's up, guys? How's it going?

How you doing? Good. Is that your home? Is that your home? This is my home gym. Yes. Wow. Wow.

That's nice. Super jealous. Yeah. We actually, we did this during COVID when they shut all the gyms down, couldn't take it anymore. And this used to be like, this is our basement. So this used to be a hangout space for us and our kids. And we said, you know what?

We're gonna turn this into a home gym. So it was actually the best thing that we could have ever done for our family because everybody got healthier as a result. And I actually, you know, I wanted to thank you guys, like everybody does, because, you know, I obviously hear my favorite podcast. I listen to you guys all the time

and devour all your content. I was in financial services for about 25 years and retired early a couple of years ago. And this gym was built just for us. But then I decided, you know what, I'm going to turn this into a side hustle. So I ended up getting my certified personal trainer license. I'm a corrective exercise specialist, a certified nutrition coach, and I'm just turning this into like a little retirement side gig. So it's been going pretty well last year. I love it. I love it. It's so awesome. What you got for us? Yeah.

Yeah. So I had a question about HRV and let me give you some context on why I'm asking the question and kind of what's going on. So actually, ever since I decided to quit or retire from my corporate financial gig, I've been seeing a functional medicine practitioner in the efforts of just trying to optimize my health, trying to optimize my hormones and everything that's going on with me. And one of the things that have popped up in the last, I don't know, we've been going through some protocols that have been working pretty well. But one of the things that we've been talking about was just my HRV. And my HRV is relatively low, like it's in the low 30s, pretty typically, like sometimes

I'll see a spike, but that spike doesn't necessarily correlate to like rest days or anything like that. And my functional medicine practitioner wanted to see that HRV going higher. And I feel like I'm doing all the things. Like I work out consistently, I get my steps, I get my morning sunshine, I sauna, I red light, I meditate, I get great sleep, but I can't seem to get my HRV to go any higher than kind of that mid 30s low to mid 30 level and maybe I shouldn't care and maybe that's what she'll tell me but I just thought it was interesting I didn't know if you guys had any tips or tricks on ways to maybe think about getting that improved

Yeah, one of the challenges with Individual metrics is sometimes we get caught up in the individual metric and we ignore the whole picture. You know, if you feel good, you have good energy, good libido, good sleep, you're performing well in the gym, you feel strong, you're recovering, I wouldn't get too caught up on this. Okay, now, if the question still is, I wanna see if I can improve my HRV,

based off of what you're telling me, I would say back off a little bit on the workouts and increase your calories. Maybe get your body fat percentage up a little bit. Sometimes you see that with women. You seem like you're pretty lean. Also, based on everything you're telling me, you're probably so consistent with everything

that a little break might be a good idea. Yeah, do you know where your calories are at? I'm probably around 23 to 2400. That's not too bad. I mean you could bump them 300 calories, 200, 300 calories, that might make a difference. But you know you could do like a a deload week or two, you know, where you're like 50 percent volume and intensity for a couple weeks. Monitor your HRV if it gets better,

well then you were probably doing too much. Yeah, that's fair. We have a vacation that's coming up right around Thanksgiving, so that I actually had planned to do nothing that full time, so that would be my goal is to just do nothing, enjoy my vacation and do whatever I feel like doing, lay on the beach, whatever, and then I'll see if there's any improvement.

And I think that would be probably a perfect indicator that maybe has to do with my training. I definitely, I definitely think that's a great way to do it. Since it's already coming up, just let it unfold that way and that'd be obviously pretty obvious if you see an improvement from taking a whole week off. Yeah. But you know, normally I would,

is there a reason, just out of curiosity, why the functional medicine practitioner was even asking you a child there? Yeah like defining You know, I was really related to some of my panels that came back So like I like my I have nothing that's out of range But my thyroid is a little low like she wanted to see that more optimized and improved. My DHEA levels are low. So she wanted to, I don't know, she had tied that in some way to what she was seeing in my blood work and wanted to see if there was anything else that we could do to try to improve the HRV. Since then, I will say I haven't necessarily seen an improvement in my HRV, but I've actually gone and seen a different practitioner that was more focused on like hormone optimization.

And so literally in the last like three weeks, I just started hormone replacement therapy. I'm right in the throat with the perimenopause, so I don't know if that has anything to do with it. But I'm just like, I haven't, I haven't been able to see like any full results of that yet because it's only been like three weeks, but I'm hoping that maybe that could also see some improvement with some of my other indicators. It's common to see when you're a woman in mid-40s, it's common to see thyroid, needing some thyroid hormone replacement therapy, DHEA, very common to

supplement, to see some benefits. Sometimes testosterone is there as well. You're gonna start to see results probably two or three months in, when you start to notice. And you know, we have a few experts that we work with on the subject. Shout out Dr. Lauren.

Yeah, Dr. Lauren, Dr. Tina, and they're both like, they're such advocates for hormone replacement therapy, they're like, I think everybody, everybody should go on hormone replacement therapy, especially if you're fit and healthy. In the context of exercising and eating right, hormone replacement therapy just improves quality of life and longevity.

If you're unhealthy, obese, then you have to be careful, although it can help. But in your case, I mean, you're so consistent. And you know, again, when I talk to someone like you, who lists everything that they're doing and they're very consistent, and it's like, like you said, I walk this much, I strength train this much, I do so many trigger sessions, I do the sauna,

I do the red light, I meditate every day. And then you wanna improve a metric here or there, it usually has to do with a break or bumping calories, typically. Got it. Okay, yeah, and Dr. Tina, I actually watched that episode and that was why you encouraged me to go has to do with a break or bumping calories typically. Got it. Okay. Yeah. And Dr. Tina, I actually watched that episode and that was what encouraged me to go and get another opinion about what was going on with some of my hormones because my original

functional medicine practitioner was kind of like, ah, let's try some supplementation. I've been doing that for a while, not really seeing the improvement. Then I'm like, you know what? I just really want to see somebody who's like more hormone specialist. So we'll see what happens, but I'm optimistic. Do you know what your body fat percentage is at? I never know. I don't test it, but you can see my top couple apps. So I probably made 17, 18%. Yeah. Have you tried, have you tried, when's the last time you went on a bulk? You know, I normally bulk in the winter, so I go back and forth.

So I'm coming off right now in the summertime. I normally hit maintenance, and then right around now, I'm starting to increase my calories. And to be honest, since I started hormone replacement therapy, my appetite's gone up, so I'm just organically starting to eat a little bit more. So I'm hoping to start bumping my calories here like out of now, going forward all the way until maybe like March, and then I'll start

to kind of level that up. I wouldn't be surprised if that positively affected me. I would love to hear back from you, Erika. I have a feeling with you optimizing your hormones, increasing your calories, we're gonna see the bump in the HRV, so. But again, don't get caught up on one metric, you know? If everything feels good, everything else is good,

it's like, you know, it's like when people get caught up on one blood metric, but all the other stuff looks good, it's like, you know, unless it's crazy, I wouldn't worry too much. No, you're kicking ass. Makes sense. Yep. All right, well thank you guys, I all the other stuff looks good. It's like, you know, unless it's crazy, I wouldn't worry too much. No, you're kicking ass. Makes sense. Yep. All right, well thank you guys, I appreciate the input.

You got it. It was great talking to you. Thanks, Erica. All right, take it easy. You know, ever since HRV became a thing, I see more and more of this. There were people just get so focused on this one. I thought that was really interesting

that a functional medicine practitioner even went that direction. You know, there's the data that shows this, that, and the other, but it just provides some numbers. But it's in the context of the whole thing. And again, she said, because she wanted to see if improving that had an effect on the hormones.

Now Dr. Tina and Dr. Lauren would say- Start dosing her small. No, yeah, you got to do that anyway, which I'm starting more and more to think that that's a good option for a lot of people, especially if you're fit and healthy, just for improvement in quality of life. HRV fluctuates so much. I actually, I liked DeFranco's method more with the grip testing before workouts. That was great. That works a lot. Our next caller is Erin from Canada. Hi Erin, how can we help you? Hi, Aaron. How can we help you?

Hi there. Um, so I got braces on just very recently and discovered that when you get braces on, you can't actually chew your food. And so, so, so I like to eat and I eat a lot and I'm trying to keep enough protein in, keep enough nutrients in to have energy to do the things I like to do, but I can't chew food. And so I'm not ready yet to blend steak and to

put my food into a blender. And so I've been putting protein powder in everything. So I've been eating yogurt and cottage cheese and oatmeal and things like that and sticking a scoop of protein powder and whatever I can. But the question is like, is there a limit on how much protein powder? Like I recognize I should be eating whole foods, but so part of the question too is I work in a remote mine site.

So I'm away from home two weeks at a time. So I have zero say in my food choices for two weeks of the month. Then the other two weeks I can go home and kind of tailor what I eat. But for the first two weeks I'm here and I'm actually here now. And I flew up the day after I got the braces before I realized I couldn't chew. Like it was a novelty that I figured I couldn't whistle, but then I discovered I couldn't chew and so that became a bit of a bigger concern. And so, yeah, the cottage cheese is going to get tiring, but I don't know. Is there a limit to the protein

powder I can eat? How's your, how's your digestion? Are you, uh, are you okay? Okay. So if you're, if you're fine, you're fine. And this is a, this is a small period of time in your life. I have some things that will potentially help too. I don't know if you've tried to crock pot like chicken thighs, but if you crock pot the chicken thighs, it like, like melt, like falls apart. It's so soft. Yeah. I'll be able to do that when I go home. It's my two weeks. Like I, I go into the cafeteria and I get food and then I play what can I eat and what

can't I eat tonight. So. I wouldn't worry about tonight. Yeah. So. I wouldn't worry about the protein powder. Especially since you're acclimating to your braces. Yeah. Your digestion is going to be what tells you if you're having too much or not. Yes. That was why I asked that first is if your digestion is fine, you're fine.

You're going to be okay. Yup. Yup. In the context of you being able to build some muscle, burn body fat, be healthy for the time being, it's totally fine. Totally fine. Obviously we'd like to get to a place where you're eating whole foods, but you know, this is a short period of time in your life where they really hurt and they're probably, it'll get better.

Like I remember, I mean, I had braces too. I remember the beginning. It was, it really sucks. Yeah. Yeah. They're there. This is just like step one. I actually have to have quite a bit of work done.

And so it's going to be a while for this. Is there any other supplements you recommend taking during this time? Like, is there anything else I should be? Possibly EAAs. I mean, essential amino acids, but if you're getting enough protein, you're okay. Uh, multivitamin, but no, no, nothing else. It'd be good to have the EAAs on guard. Like that's kind of how I use them right now because I've, you know,

I know I've been missing it and I just keep them. I keep them, uh, in my backpack here at work. I have them by my side. I like the pill form, it's easier for me just to swallow the pills real quick. And if it's a low protein day, I'm taking it two or three times. If I'm hitting my target, I'm probably taking it one time.

If I'm above my target, I'm not worried about it. That's kinda how I look at it. It's like I'm gonna keep them by my side. If I know it's low, I'm trying to use them two or three times. If I'm barely hitting it, I'm probably taking it one time. If I'm over hitting it, I'm not worrying about it. That's how I use them. All right.

I think other than that, you're doing really good. Yeah, you're good. Hang in there though. Hang in there. It'll get better. I feel far too old for this, but it's the thing you got to do. Awesome. Fresh rig. Well, thanks for calling in. Yeah, yeah. It's all good. Are you following, are you following one of the mass programs right now? What are you doing workout wise?

So I have, again, because I live two very different lifestyles, home lifestyle and here. So when I'm here, um, I have, we have quite a good gym. Um, I bought your anabolic program. I haven't started it yet because I'm still finishing, um, a program that I'm sort of working on through an app. Um, but yeah, I've been lifting weights for about four years now with intention and then seen lots of changes and then started listening to your program and it changed a lot of the things. There's been a lot of listeners that I've, that have called in with things that have

resonated like the overworking out. Um, I like to go six days a week. I like to go seven days a week, but, um, listening to you guys in your program has really helped sort of change a lot of views, um, on a lot of sort of debunked a lot of the things that I thought about working out. So anabolic's on my program, um, to start later this fall once I'm done this. That's great. Perfect. That's great. What app just out of curiosity are you using? What's it called? It's called Ladder. Ladder. Okay. Cool. Awesome. Yeah. Awesome. All right,

Aaron. Well, let us know. I'd love to hear your results after you go through Anibal, especially since you've been listening for a while now. And then love to hear you circle back and let us know how that goes for you. Thank you. You got it. All right, Aaron. Thank you. Yeah, I think sometimes when we give the message

of whole foods, people might get a little, you know. Yeah, stuck on that. Zeal it with it, yeah. And it's like in a case like hers, first of all, there is no limit to protein except for what your digestive system. That's everything. That's it, right there. So, you know, some people, you know,

more than two shakes a day or one shake a day and they start to get gastro issues, but if not. I think the message I've always tried to communicate to my clients was that it's not bad, but we always want to be trying to get it all through Whole Foods. The reality is I use shakes almost daily, okay, all the time.

But what I'm telling myself in my head is just that I wanna be better. Tomorrow I'm gonna try and get all through Whole Foods. But I'm also not beating myself up going like, oh, I failed, I had a protein shake. It's like, no, it was a good choice. And you needed to hit your protein intake, so it's totally fine.

Our next caller is Kevin from Nevada. What's up, Kevin? Yo, Kevin! What's going on, Kevin? Hey, guys. Hey, I. What's going on, Kevin? Hey, guys. Hey, I just want to say thank you guys for picking up this question. This is like a pivot off of the last time you guys had me on here.

I think Adam, I don't know if you guys remember, I'm like that guy that, 27 years old, I never did any training and then until you guys literally finally did some training and then found out, you know, strength was kind of my go-to in weight training. I now actually use your advice item and sign up for a powerlifting meet. Sadly, I couldn't get one like mid mid like way this year in June, cause I had to be qualified for it. So I have one up in December,

which leads me to this question. So, yeah buddy. for it. So I have one up in December, which leads me to this question. So because I had my meet coming up in December seven, I already ran maps, power lift, the first time started it in June. The goals that I had actually hit. And my original question was, is running it back to back a smart thing to do rather than what I was initially going to do is do power lift and then try a different power lifting program from someone else? And I was just thinking that just because I didn't think

or know if there's any good thing that comes from doing it back to back this is a cool question because novelty when recomping changing body composition becomes more important than when trying to get better at a skill yeah so in this case actually running it back to back would actually serve you really well like if I like if you hired me to like, oh, let's change our body fat percentage or the way we look, the most like chasing novelty becomes more important than if you said, Adam,

I want to be really good to squat the bench in the deadlift and lift as much weight as we can, it'll actually serve us to run the program back to back like that. Now the only example where that may not be true is if you're suffering from like achy joints or over training your your body's talking to you going like I'm regressing because I'm hurting or and I'm and I'm not addressing mobility and

stuff like that then I might interrupt it with another program like symmetry or just taking a break off or doing some things to deload. But so long as you feel good Running it back to back is a great idea during that during that three week Gap I would go low intensity You just came out of mass power lift and I would focus on mobility and then jump right right back in you'd be great Perfect and actually it's kind of crazy how this all worked. So because of the timing I actually did already I did Very similar to what you just said Adam So in between the three-week break I had I took a D load of like literally a week of nothing

Okay, I'm hearing you guys and understanding that strength is not gonna go away doing that I found out super helpful then I did sled work, you know lateral work like what you just saw out super helpful. Then I did sled work, you know, lateral work, like what you just did. So, um, yeah, good band work and, and my body felt fresh when I ran it again. Um, I'm now in like phase, uh, two of power lift. So, so far I'm, I'm pretty excited because I just, even though I'm like a beginner and I should have fun, I want to steal first place. Like it'd be pretty sick. Bro at 148, you're ripping 405 on squat or is that where you're at? Where are you at right now? Well that was originally the goal. So after I ran power lift the first time,

I did it at like all as a, you know, you guys know RPE. So I did it at like an RPE eight for everything, even the max out. And I hit a four or five squat 200 bench, man. Yeah, you're great bro. max out and I hit a four or five squat 200 bench deadlift. Yeah, you're great, bro. Yeah, bro. That's as fuck as when his weight class is 148. You're good. That's awesome.

Yeah. So we're done giving you advice dog. That's all you get. Yeah. Yeah. We're done. I pretty much wanted to do it like what you said. And now I am running maps, power lift again, cause I'm now kind of using the

metrics of how I felt to kind of compare it to how I feel week to week on this last run before I compete. But here's the new question I have and I think this might it's a super simple question but I'm kind of scared of what the answer might be. Is there everybody keeps telling me like you know these I'm just having newbie gains. So like these newbie gains of strength is going to fall off like eventually soon. Um, or they're kind of telling me, you know, I'm right now I'm 31 years old. I'm new to this. I'm competing against guys that are even like, even though they're only 27, they've

been doing this for like eight years of their life. Um, am I kind of chasing a ghost or these competitors telling you that? Some of them are some of them power lift. I don't, they tell me, I don't know how serious they are. Some of them have seen me on social media and like just found a video I did and then they just would DM me. Who cares? I mean, are you going to be a power lifter? Is that your career? and like just found a video I did and then they just would DM me. Yeah, seven years. Yeah, seven years. Who cares?

Who cares? I mean, are you gonna be a powerlifter? Is that your career? Did you quit your job, not going to school? You're gonna just do this? No, no, no. You're fine. Yeah, dude.

If you like quit everything, like I'm gonna make money powerlifting. First of all, I would tell even the best powerlifters not to do that. Not a great way to. But no, you're fine, dude. Just keep going. And at your age, I mean, some of the top people don't-

You have plenty left in juice Oh, yeah, people tend to get their strongest towards their mid mid to late 30s early 40s. Oh, okay All right, you got a long way to go good, bro You got a long way to now I would expect it to slow up because it looks like you have I mean since the last time we talked to where you're at Already is you're getting some crazy. This is incredibly you need to put more work in, but it's still going to keep going up. Yeah. Everything right.

Yup. Exciting to see. I am, uh, thank you guys for that answer too. Um, that makes me feel better cause I just want to, I want to like push it because you know, it's just something that. Let me ask you this, Kevin, at the beginning of MAPS Power Lift, where were your lifts and then, and then, and then again, give us the numbers at the end. I want to see what you progressed.

And then again, give us the numbers at the end. I want to see what you progress. In June, it was a 375 squat to a 185 bench and a 395 deadlift. And then in, I finished in August or, uh, I think it was in August and I hit four Oh five squat, a 200 bench and four Oh five deadlift. Nice dude. Yeah. I went up significantly that's great yeah and so far with you know you guys have the calculator in there so I'm kind of I can kind of see what the guesstimate might be for the meat so I'm looking at hopefully 450 plus on squat and deadlift and then 225 bench based on

how everything's running yeah pretty realistic considering what you've done. Yeah, that's great, man. Good job. Will that put you in the top three? My friend told me that actually does compete, compete. Yeah, top three. Unless there's like a guy that he hasn't seen yet that's gonna sign up and just like destroy me. But so far, I just wanna be this like newbie

that's a dad and never found this thing. And then all of a sudden it's a steal for you. I love that. Stop them. I love that. Training naturally. Naturally. Yeah. Oh yeah.

Definitely. Yeah. Don't go to the dark side. You're doing good. Yeah. No, you are. That's incredible, bro. No, thank you guys.

Um, so yeah, I mean, those were my questions is pretty quick. Now, one thing I wanted to see, uh, I don't know if you guys remember from last time, but again, I'm 31. So I never did any of this stuff until I was 27. Never even knew the strength training until 27. Um, I don't know if, can you guys see my video attachment I sent over with your kids? Yes.

Yes, we saw. Oh, you saw it. You guys are just like, so of course I'm not going to give a long spiel of thank you, but not only impacting me, um,'s 33, never did any training, like nothing. She feels great because you guys gave map starter to me last time I was on here. She feels amazing already after doing it for like two months. And then now my kids are just randomly, we're not telling them to do this stuff, but you guys saw like they're now they want to deadlift. They want to do all the excites.

That's the way you do it too, bro. Just like that. Good job. You got to tell them they just see mom and dad doing it and they want to. That's, that's the way you lead bro. Yeah. So I, again, I'm glad you guys were able to see that. I just want to say thank you because the impact isn't only to me. It's now my kids and I can't wait to see how this is going to end up later. Um, going to be like Justin's kids. I hear Kevin, where are you? Remind me where you're based out of. Where are you at again? Las Vegas.

Okay, Las Vegas. If you're ever in the Bay Area, hit us up. Be come watch a live show. Oh, that would be awesome. Yeah, thank you, Adam. I appreciate it. Yeah, just reach out. If you guys ever fly into San Jose or whatever

that reach out to us and want to become a, come watch a live recording. Show us the first place trophy. Yeah, yeah. Oh man, I'm gonna steal it. I'm gonna rep you guys however way I can. I was like gonna put you guys on like a belt if there was like a sticker or something. Yeah dude. Do it. Right on Kevin. Alright man. Thank you guys.

Thank you so much. Again on. He's strong. Fucking A. He's really strong. He's bro. He's 148 pounds. I know. Hitting hitting weights I can't hit right now. That's great dude. That's great. I love I love stories like that. He he didn't work out. Didn't even know now. That's great, dude. I love stories like that. He didn't work out, didn't even know strength when he existed. And even better, the fact they got wife involved, the kids now see him doing it. I mean, this is really what it's about.

I mean, his strength stuff is incredible. But I mean, the fact that you can tell it's completely Yeah, it's a lifestyle thing now. Yeah, reshaped him and his family and so on. That's incredible, man. I love that. Our next caller is Anano from Georgia. Anano.

Hello. How you doing? Hi guys. How are you? Good. How are you? Great. I'm very nervous. It's my third time on the show, but it never gets old. I feel like I will forget all the English I know. So forgive me if I make any mistakes. Okay. So I will just read out my email. I sent this in June but it's pretty much

relatable even now because nothing has changed since then. So when I wrote this to you I said that I'm a very new BCPT and I have also purchased your guys's mind pump trainer course and I'm in the forum as well. So back then I was watching a video about assessments on the floor where you were guys talking about how showing the correct ways to move to the client and asking them if they feel the difference from their natural way of moving. And in those case scenarios, the majority of the clients would say, yes, they feel the change and they feel their muscles working from the wrong way. But here's my question. What do we do when the client says they do not feel the difference? I have a friend who I was training back then,

and I had come across this issue multiple times with her. For example when I would correct her form she did not feel or know the difference from her original way of moving and when I would tell her to for example bend her knees or not bend her knees that much she would say that she doesn't realize that she's bending them or so on. When I would ask her to flex or brace her core she would say she does not know how to do it and even like when I would say like squeeze she doesn't know what it means how to squeeze the muscle and she doesn't feel anything. So I was very confused

because I didn't know and I still don't know if it's like my issue that I don't communicate it well with her or if I'm dealing with something else. For the majority of involuntary deviations she did during the movement she said that she didn't know that she was moving in a wrong way and that she didn't mean to following up with saying that she didn't know how to intentionally move in a certain way. that she didn't know how to intentionally move in a certain way. It had been very challenging to get her to move closer to the right technique or like right form. As for the most part when I would give her corrections she would answer that she doesn't know what she's doing wrong or like how to fix it. I'm worried that I might come across such a thing in the future as well with a client, not a friend, and that I will not be able to handle this situation really well.

I would appreciate any tips you can give me. Here's why I love this question. Now what you're saying isn't super common, but it's common enough to if you train people for five to 10 years, you'll see this. I mean, I would have clients do an exercise like a tricep press down. Perfect form. And they would get to like rep number 10 and they're struggling. They say, where am I supposed to feel this? Right? People would ask that like, what do you mean? Where are you supposed to feel this? So people are so disconnected from their bodies that they just don't, they have no connection. It's as if it's almost like it's numb.

It's not numb, but they don't have a connection to what's happening over time they will start to feel things and they will start to connect to things so the way to tackle this is to set yourself up properly so what I would do is I'd say I'm gonna correct your technique right now now most people will notice that they're gonna feel it here sometimes people don't feel anything and that's just because they're they need to get into their bodies more which is what we're gonna work on. Let me know if you notice anything. So that sets them up for either they'll feel it or they won't. They'll be like okay well I don't feel it. What does

that mean? Well you're probably not in your body as much as we'd like but that's okay because through training and through practice you will be able to start to feel the areas that you need to feel. Now the other aspect of this is just cueing, right? You mentioned bracing your core. I remember having a struggle with that too. I'd tell people like, brace your core, tense your abs. You're like, I don't know what I'm doing.

And then I had a trainer come up to me and say, tell them you're going to poke them in the stomach. Punch his stomach. Yeah. And so you go to poke them in the stomach and they tighten up right away. And you go, okay, that's bracing. Yeah. I actually heard this analogy on one of your episodes and I tried it. And she says, like, I don't have any reaction about poking. I don't know what is, you know, you do, you just, I don't know. No, you know what?

So I've had clients like this that are so disconnected. She's like, she's not ticklish. She doesn't like brace her core when she laughs because she doesn't laugh that much. And it's like, I don't know like in what way to approach this. It's practice and you're gonna teach her to be in her body. I would start every workout with her.

Back presses hard. Well, yeah, and I would start every workout with belly breathing. I would do five minutes of deep belly breathing and don't be alarmed if she gets emotional, uh, in teary while, while, while happening. Because when you take someone that's that's that disconnected from their body, which I've had plenty of those clients, when they start to feel their body, they start to feel a lot of that.

And then when you actually get into the exercise, the workouts, you're going to take your sweet time, like super slow. So that way too, you can kind of walk around and make little micro adjustments with her posture. Uh, if she's comfortable with it, you can actually kind of poke and prod and, and, and at least try to kind of stimulate a little bit of a sensation there. So that way it kind of directs her attention, like this muscle here, we should feel a little bit

You know of activity And then you know and like isometrics are amazing for us And so like especially with cables, it's with core It's easy to kind of hold them in a position where it's pulling against them But they have to hold it in place and then you know to be able to do that and then also try and cue and make sure like everything in their posture is holding up. So this is where the reaction I was going to go. And I think core is one of the most difficult. Justin already hit it on the head.

There's two things I either do. I either do the back presses where I lay them flat on the back. I tell them to push their back against the ground. In order to do that, they have to engage their core. And then I'll touch their core and be like, that's your core activating right now. That's one way. The other way is what Justin is saying is you have somebody, you don't even need a machine. You can actually have them hold their hands out straight together like this. And then

you push against them and say, fight that. Don't let the arms move. And then they have to work their core to stabilize that. And then you feel your abs tensing up, that's your core lighting up. So that's that way. And I would do that for all the muscles. So if a client can't feel it in their back, I would get them in a row position and then hold real lightweight

so they don't need hardly any weight, squeeze your back and then I come back and I touch their back. I would touch the rhomboids, I'd touch the lats and be like, this is where you wanna feel it. And I would be touching them and hold it, squeeze, hold it. And then practicing an isometric hold for every muscle and poking at where you you want to feel it. And I would be touching them and hold it, squeeze, hold it. And then practicing an isometric hold for every muscle and point and poking at where you want them to feel it. That helps make the connection.

But Sal's right. Like some people, it would be so crazy. I would be doing like, they'd be doing perfect form. They would do it. And you'd even seem to struggle it. And you'd be like, Oh, did you feel that? And they're like, uh, where was I supposed to feel it? And you're like, are you serious? You didn't feel that? Yes, exactly. Exactly. There's a disassociation that happens sometimes with people who are just disconnected for whatever

reason, uh, disconnected from their own bodies. And so I, I, I, belly breathing, it was a, a powerful tool that I learned how to use later in my career. And there were some clients like that where we would start the workout. We'd lay down on our back. I'd have them place a hand on their belly, a hand on their chest.

I'd have them breathe deep into their belly. Make sure that the belly rises first before the chest. Hold the breath at the top for three seconds, release and repeat that. And that helped them get into their bodies. Oftentimes they're too tense. They don't realize it. They're under lots of stress, whatever the case may be. That belly breathing oftentimes would do the trick.

I believe we did a good video on Mind Pump TV with Stephanie on belly breathing, is that correct? Maybe. I think so, if you go to our Mind Pump TV, look up teaching belly breathing on Mind Pump TV. Doug will look it up right now. I believe it was Stephanie who we had in here and she taught belly breathing.

So go through how she teaches, because I think the way you cue belly breathing is even important. Is that right, Doug? Yeah, I'm looking it up right now. I'm not seeing that offhand. I see some stomach vacuums, but not belly breathing. Was it belly breathing by Stephanie? Let me check. It could be in salami, but yeah, Stephanie was another one.

But I mean, literally, you lay on your back, one hand on your chest, one hand on your belly, breathe in really deep, your belly rises first and fills up first before the chest, hold that, release, and then repeat that. And what you'll find oftentimes with people who aren't in their body is their chest will rise, but their belly won't. And so they have to really concentrate

on getting that full diaphragmatic breath, and that tends to put people in their body. Oh, Ben Paul did one. All right. Yep. Oh, okay. So that's it. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much. It's really helped. Since you're in our course, do you have Prime Pro? That's always valuable for trainers. I do actually. I have like 14 of your programs, plus mods, plus free guides, plus,

um, what else was there? Yeah. I try to like support you guys in that way. Yeah. Well, thank you. I'm glad you're a trainer. Yeah. Thank you.

Appreciate that. Yeah. Thank you so much for your help and everything you guys do. You got it. You're awesome. Thank you. Do you remember how weird that was?

Yeah. That was just, it was one of those things where I almost had like a short go off in my brain. I'm just like, why can't you move this way? Like, you just didn't make any sense. We literally just worked in quads. Like why are you feeling it on your back? It's not, it's not super calm, but it actually happened quite a bit.

It's calm enough. Yeah, it's calm enough to where it happened enough times that I figured out how to solve it. You know what I'm saying? Isometrics were key. So I actually get this sometimes when I'm helping coaches online, really hard. Really, really hard.

This is a great example of where in-person training, I mean, this is hard in person. And then you kind of think. I can't imagine is hard in person. And then you kind of think. I can't imagine doing this in person. Yeah, can you imagine trying to cue somebody over the computer or the phone and explain it? And you can't touch or help them with the isometric? It's always seemed like a huge challenge for online training.

Huge, huge. So, but yeah, getting them in an isometric position, holding and tensing up that position that they're supposed to, and then touching the muscle that's supposed to be engaging really helps. I had one lady that was like this, and this is the first time I was advised to try belly breathing from somebody that was in my studio. And so we did, we went in this front office. It was dark.

I had her belly breathe and three minutes into it, she started sobbing. And I remember being like, Oh, what do I do? I'm just crying. What happened? Should we go get another pillow? This wasn't in my certification course. They trained me for this? Yeah, and then I was informed, like, that can happen, because they're so disconnected, they start to feel, and they start to feel a lot of things.

It's like, oh, all the feelings. Isn't the prevailing theory, you know, that connected to how they say we store a lot of our emotions and feelings in our body and our muscles? If you disconnect so strongly from bad or scary feelings or stressful feelings, you disconnect from everything. So you're just not feeling whatever overwhelm or stress

is there. When you put yourself in your body, well, now you feel. And then you feel stuff. And that's when it starts to come out, is the theory. Look, if you love our show, you've got to find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump Justin. I'm at Mind Pump DeStefano, and Adam's at Mind Pump Adam. Thank you gotta find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump, Justin. I'm at Mind Pump with Stefano,

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