Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2468: Training for Looks Vs. Training for Health & Fitness (Listener Coaching)

Episode Date: November 15, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions from the Sunday @mindpumpmedia Quah post. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Training for looks vs training for health & fitness. (2:23) Doug’s skincare routine. (25:03) That one time Justin s*** the bed. (26:23) Spiritual physics. (33:42) Future race car drivers. (40:45) The future of energy. (47:00) Mind Pump’s Black Friday sale is on! (52:25) Using the cold plunge as a pre-workout. (54:10) Shout out to Venture Church. (57:58) #Quah question #1 – Is there an alternative to Turkish get-ups that work the same muscles/movement patterns in less time? (58:43) #Quah question #2 – For a freshly postpartum mama who has been cleared to workout again, which 3 programs would you recommend (in order) to start and progress through? Assuming little to no workouts happened during pregnancy. (1:01:03) #Quah question #3 – How important is getting 10k steps if you also worked out the same day? (1:03:26) #Quah question #4 – Are chiropractors legit? What are the benefits and cons? (1:05:34) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout** Visit Plunge for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump Listeners! ** Code MINDPUMP at checkout for $150 off your order. All November long, you can get 15% off every Plunge on the site. ** EARLY ACCESS to the Black Friday Sale is open NOW! ** ALL MAPS Fitness Products 60% OFF. Coupon code BLACKFRIDAY. The code will expire on Sunday, December 1st. Each purchase enters you to win one of two 5-day stays at the Mind Pump Park City Vacation Home. Each winner will receive $1,000 cash for travel and food. Bundle purchase - 10 entries, Program purchase - 5 entries, ALL other MAPS purchases (mods, guides, etc.) - 1 entry. Winners will be announced and contacted in December. ** Mind Pump #2412:  The 5 Worst Fitness Mistakes Damaging Your Overall Health & Longevity Building Muscle with Adam Schafer – Mind Pump TV Mind Pump #1995: Seven Reasons Your Favorite Fitness Influencer is Unhealthy Google and Kairos sign nuclear reactor deal with aim to power AI Mind Pump’s First Ever Luxury Destination Home - Venture Christian Church - Los Gatos, CA Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code 25MINDPUMP at checkout for 25% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01® Daily Synbiotic** How To Do A Turkish Get-Up – Mind Pump TV Mind Pump #1375: How to Train Before, During & After Pregnancy Ask Health: What Are the Benefits of Walking 8,000 Steps a Day? Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Arthur Brooks (@arthurcbrooks)  Instagram Bishop Robert Barron (@bishopbarron) Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram Justin Brink DC (@dr.justinbrink) Instagram Jordan Shallow D.C (@the_muscle_doc) Instagram  

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I got some bad news for you, you're not gonna look good. It's true, one of the worst reasons to work out, especially long term, is to simply change the way you look. If you want success, you got to focus on something else. Dunst Hills personally attacked. I think a lot of people are going to hear that and go, huh? Like, isn't that why you work out?

Isn't that? So in a nutshell, in a nutshell, when you train for looks, what tends to happen, and we'll get into why, what tends to happen is you tend to sacrifice function and health in the pursuit of trying to look better. And then what happens when you lose your health and you lose function is you also lose your look. You also lose the aesthetic. So it's a losing game and we know this. We know this with body-obsessed individuals. We see this with other arenas like plastic surgery. They keep chasing a look and they end up sacrificing what they were after in the first place. When fitness is very true, if that's your main goal and that always and remains your goal, because I'm going to be honest, of course, that's the way people start, but it can't be how you end. If you're always chasing that,

this is not going to be a good end. If you're always chasing that, this is not gonna be a good journey. You're gonna have a tough time, and then when you sacrifice your health in pursuit of that, then you lose everything. You get none of it. Do you think we ever convince people to switch their way of thinking,

or do you think this is kinda like, it reminds me of telling somebody that, who's really driven to make money, a certain amount of money that like, oh, you'll find out when you get there that it's never enough and it's an endless pit and that, you know, that's not the answer to happiness. Happiness will be found through purpose and other ways. And does that person, does that person who's convinced that,

let's say whatever age, both for the money chasing and or the looks that they're chasing, do you think us communicating that ever gets somebody to change their mind? Or do you think that's one of those things that they have to go find out for themselves? I think it's both, but we've had this discussion so many times since we started the podcast

is one of the challenges for us was, how do we communicate this in a way that sells it? Because you're right, Adam, I could the podcast, is one of the challenges for us was, how do we communicate this in a way that sells it? Because you're right, Adam, I could say this, but how am I gonna sell it to somebody right now who's watching or listening, whose main goal, the reason why they'll work out. That's what got them there in the first place. Yeah, and that's why we all started working out.

I worked out, and I still struggle with this for a look. So how would you sell it to me as a kid? Well, here's how. If you're healthy, you're gonna look good. So the way you sell it is by telling people, will you wanna look good? The best way to look good is to move well and be healthy. Somebody who is very healthy, like really, seriously healthy,

like that means that they're strong, they're mobile, they don't have a high body fat percentage, they've got good movement patterns that person looks good So the health leads to the look but the look does not lead to the health and we know this and so sacrificing Health is a fast path to looking terrible and I'm just selling it right now. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to do But it's true. It is funny though Cuz like money's such a good example that yes that you could chase the quick money and that could totally lead you astray.

There's the same thing you could chase the cheap fix to lose the quick weight or apply the methods that's the most intensive at the time in order to produce this crazy result right now. It's not going to last. And the reason why I brought the money one up, because I think it is so parallel because The answer to a lot of money too is find something that you would do for free

Yeah find something that you love that gives you purpose or that you would do and Not get paid and if you can find that and then your odds of making money are much higher are almost guaranteed Yeah, because eventually you will like it's just if you are are, if you're not counting hours and you're not measuring, oh my god, I spent an extra 10 hours trying to learn that or do that thing or I had to go train 12 clients for free to help. Like if you don't count that, you don't care because you would do it anyways because you love it, that's the path to financial freedom too. Yeah. It's kind of wild when you think about that. It's the same thing goes for the health and fitness thing.

It's like if you, if you pursue it as a way of being healthier and taking care of yourself, then the byproduct is you end up having the best looking version of yourself too. Yeah, no. And if you really break it down and reverse engineer why we think certain things look good, the whole reason why a relatively muscular, relatively lean, mobile and functional body is attractive is because it displays health. This is evolutionary theory, but I think it's just, even if you don't believe in evolution, it's just

true. If somebody displays those things, you can make a general assumption that that person's pretty healthy, right? Now, of course, on the extreme end, it gets really crazy, right? You get a pro bodybuilder or something like that. Although I think the average person looks at that and doesn't think that that looks good. I think what I'm referring to is what the average person

would consider attractive looking, and it's usually because it reflects fertility and health. Those are the two things. And so again, the value of this is in understanding that. So then when you're trying to navigate with your fitness and with your diet, if you steer towards health and function, so if you steer towards health with lifestyle diet and you steer towards function with your exercise, you're

going to get a great deal of the aesthetic. That's just the by-practice, the side effect of being really healthy and mobile and fit is you look really good. But again, if you just do the look part, how often have we seen this in our space, right? Where they're just chasing, I want to look a particular way and it leads to body dysmorphia. Well, it leads to dehydrating your body. Dude. You know, like just all the tricks and the quick things just to like shape and alter like the way you look, just to present yourself a certain way for that moment in time.

That's right. There's so many of those. You guys talking about this reminds me of something I just learned. I've never heard this term before until now. Have you guys ever heard of perception drift? Mm-mm. Okay, so we've all seen somebody. You guys, you've seen that person

who's done so much plastic surgery that they look like, you go like, oh my God. Like, do you, like, you see how bad, like it looks so bad? Yeah, you always wonder, like, how they not know. How do they get there, like how they get there? So there's a term for it, it's called perception drift. And it happens over time. The way you perceive yourself,

you do a little bit of the lip injection, you do a little bit of the face fillers, and you have a new perception of what you look like. And then as that starts to dissipate or change a little bit, then you have to go back and do it a little bit more. And then you have a new starting point, right? What made me think about this, I was like, oh my God, one, I didn't know there was a term for it. And I've seen that in fitness. So yeah, you wonder it. That's what

you mean. That's when you just brought up the bodybuilder thing, how you said like somebody else, like somebody who sees a like crazy looking body, the average person, not a fitness person, an average person sees a bodybuilder. Most people go gross. Yeah. Most people, the same way that you probably look at the person with all the plastic surgery, an average person, sees a bodybuilder, most people go gross. Most people, the same way that you probably look at the person with all the plastic surgery, the average person looks at a bodybuilder and goes, oh my God, it's gross. And what's wild about that is that that bodybuilder, and tell me you haven't been here before,

you have got a bit of perception drift. How many times have you looked at your physique and been like, oh man, I don't feel that great, but then you looked at a picture and you compare, you know, say five years goes by and you're at work. You look at old pictures. You look at old pictures like, damn, I look kind of good actually.

And I thought I looked bad. But you thought you looked terrible because you're new perception. And it's called a perception drift. Yeah, you see this with both men and women. You know, with women you'll see them get leaner and leaner and leaner and leaner and leaner. And they're sitting in the single digit body fat percentage and

They're not healthy their body's not healthy and they're ignoring all the signs because they feel and you see this with guys too where they push The training they push the muscle they push the whatever or the bulk, you know, this was me forever I had pushed the bulk and I was unhealthy But I felt like I needed to get bigger. And again, and that's another reason why the aesthetic is such a terrible barometer because it's so subjective. It's so subjective. Now function, a lot of it's objective.

Are you stronger? Can you move better? Health? A lot of it is objective. Do I feel better? Am I getting better sleep? Do I have better energy? Blood markers.

Yeah, blood markers. Like, you know, a lot of that is, some of it's subjective, but a lot of it's objective. Do I feel better? Am I getting better sleep? Do I have better energy? Blood markers. Yeah, blood markers. A lot of that is objective. Some of it's objective, but a lot of it's objective. How I look? Extremely subjective. It's super subjective to the point where, look, people with body dysmorphia, they believe what they say they see. That's what they really think. That's what this perception drift is explaining. The first time I ever heard somebody communicate that, I'm like, oh my God, that makes so much sense on how to explain. Because even you bring up the anorexic girl who thinks she's fat. You can't help but be that person who hears that girl communicate about herself and go like,

how the fuck does she see herself as fat? I'm looking at her, she's anything but that. Did you see that? But it's been over time, it's drifted in that place. There was a video of this woman, people were filming her. She was one of those Instagram like, and social media will do this kind of too because you can distort yourself. And I think distorted bodies will get more likes

and whatever, but then when you see them in person, like there was this girl who people were filming because she had so many butt implants and stuff that when they're filming her, it doesn't, like it doesn't look right at all. And yet she has this huge following because the angles and stuff from, and so she's distorted, like oh this, but I mean, it was so distorted she had trouble moving

because all the stuff that she's done. And I mean, and you gotta think that a lot of, you know, just not to just pick on the girls that have this, the guys that are pursuing that buff look that we don't get caught up in the same thing too is that you're like, you know, you start off, I mean, I think about it. If you were to talk to it, like, these are like, those are crazy extremes, but even I'm trying to even pick apart myself, right. And even pick on me. Like when I was 17 years old and insecure, and that was the reason why I got into working out. If you told me what out of shape, worst version of

me at 30 look like I would have been happy with that. But if you asked me at 30, when I was that I was happy with that. But if you asked me at 30, when I was that, I would be, oh my God, no. So it's a trip that, I mean, I'm guilty of this too. And so at one point, do you realize like, this is a, it's a never ending pit for yourself to be constantly using that as a barometer on, am I good or not good or am I, it's like, versus what I know you communicate so well all the time, Sal, which is that focusing on being healthy and let that be your, your North star, let that be your driver because it won't steer you wrong. Because if you're always trying to be a healthier version of yourself, more mobile, more strong,

you know what I'm saying? Like if you're trying to be that, that will lead you in the right direction. There's also a complete picture that you don't get just from pictures or reflection. We all know this, right? You meet that person, and yes, they're also physically healthy looking, but they also have a vibrance about them. They have, there's much more than that, and it makes them attractive. It's holistically balanced.

Yes, and I don't mean it necessarily. They're happy. Yes- They're happy. Yes. They're happy. Right, so health also is spiritually healthy, mentally healthy, physically healthy. When you focus on health, as Adam's saying, we're talking about everything,

and that is a great pursuit. It's a growth pursuit, is what it is. Because in order to get healthier in all those areas, mentally, spiritually, physically, financially, relationally, you're gonna grow as a person. If you worship your body, if you think you're gonna get happiness out of looking a particular way, all the data in the world shows you that you're wrong,

by the way. All the objective data shows you that's wrong. Every philosopher says this is wrong. Every spiritual and religious practice that's lasted 2,000 years will tell you that you're wrong. You're not going to get happy by looking a particular way. Do you know why people who work out and eat right are happier? It's not because they look better. It's because they're more fit, more healthy, and it's the pursuit of health that leads to happiness. In fact, Arthur Brooks communicates this really well,

and he's an expert on happiness. He knows all the data, and he says, look, you take someone who's a six on a scale of one to 10, and they spend all their time and money going from a six to a 10, their happiness will be barely perceptible in terms of how much it goes up. Like all the money, all the time that it took

to go from a six to a 10, plastic surgery, working out, diet, like perfection, everything, it would barely nudge the happiness meter for them, with going from a six to 10, plastic surgery, working out, diet, like perfection, everything, it would barely nudge the happiness meter for them, going from a six to a 10. Yeah, I was thinking about this too, and I still trip out just what we've learned with the GLP-1s in terms of some of them having an impact on brain inflammation,

and how much that plays a factor in our behavior and our decision-making process. And it's like, if our decision making progress, is it all, you know, tilted because our physical body is giving us all of these signals, it's interrupting that, you know, where are we at? Like, so if I'm just like, specifically focused on this one thing, I'm ignoring all of these other signals and signs, you know, for me to make better decisions. Yeah, poor physical health is very closely connected

to poor mental health. And I think people forget that some of your mental health comes from your actual brain itself, the actual physical structure of your brain. So if you're unhealthy, you have poor insulin sensitivity, your inflammation is high, your operating system, the hardware, right, your brain is going to operate differently and it's going to tilt in some cases in a very strong direction more towards depression, darkness, lack of motivation, lack of focus. So simply becoming healthier can also

change your mental state. Just the physical aspect of it. Not to mention the personal growth that comes along with that pursuit because then you also have this side of it. I was doing all this stuff over here and I positively changed these things which was a struggle, but I was able to do it

step by step and show myself that I could do certain things and overcome these challenges and fail and get back on my feet and do it step by step and show myself that I could do certain things and overcome these challenges and fail and get back on my feet and do it again and give myself grace and that also contributes to being happier. So, and this is the thing I want people to understand. Again, I'm gonna sell it, okay? If you chase health, you're gonna look good.

I mean, you're gonna get both. If you chase looks, you're not gonna get either one. So, and I hope I'm selling it right to somebody who's just focused on the look. Like you want to look good, do what I'm saying. Yeah. So I think it's also important to communicate like, what are the tactical things to get out of that? Like if we all admit that, you know, we came from a place of that, what are the things that moved you away from that? Because you could say that to me all day, you could sell it to me all day long and I can go like, yeah, okay, good, I agree. But then practicing it is another thing,

because I caught myself just recently doing this and I think hopefully this helps. Like I still, even as self-aware and as much as I've progressed in this area, I still find myself doing things to continue to practice that to remind myself. Meaning, so recently in this whole series that I'm documenting on YouTube, I've started tracking steps again. And one of the things that like, you know, obviously I'm doing it to show the audience body composition change and it's all stuff like that. But I also, while I'm going through this, I'm always trying to learn to build some of these practices

to become part of my lifestyle and to do it for the health reasons, right? Because being active and moving, we all know is a healthy thing. So how do I make this thing that I'm showing people on YouTube how to change body composition, but then I build it in and so it becomes a behavioral change for me.

So as I'm going through this, one of the conversations I'm having with myself is the new step goal is 10,000 steps for myself right now. And so multiple times this week, I have found myself going above and beyond helping my wife around the house. Katrina really handles so much of our household and it's amazing, I love her for it, and it's great.

And it works for us. Like what I do, I handle, what she does, she handles. But here's a situation where, you know, this is something I can do to support her. And it's also this win that I'm getting all this activity. And so instead of me going like, oh, I hit my 2,000 steps, so I burn an extra 200 calories, or hopefully I shredded body fat, I'm going like, oh, I'm a better partner.

I'm a better husband. I'm happier. I help out. My house is in an even better order. I like it clean like this. So I'm like having that conversation with me that the steps are not equating to me leaning out faster, even though ultimately I know that's probably where that leads, right? I'm actually having the conversation with myself going like, oh man, like I'm attached.

There's all these other important things. There's all these other things that are far more important. Like I see the way she came up to me and she's like, honey, you're so amazing. Like the fact that you do what she doesn't know is like, it's partly motivated because I'm trying to get steps. So, but I've always thought that though, I've always tried to figure out a way to communicate that to clients too, because it's like you're just gonna Stay here for an hour just walking on a treadmill Like why you know like go do something like productive in your house and like get that kind of movement going and generating To benefit people around you instead of just being so self-focused. I used to communicate that to clients to play with their kids more

Yeah, you know what's a great way to get your steps in go play with your kids Yes, come back and be like, oh my god, this is yeah Like I'm playing my kids and I'm getting that activity or connecting, you know The hundred by we should start a breaker treadmill. I I had the same thing again This has been happening all week long where I'm like, like I've noticed that if I just come here to the studio We record do my long little workout and go home, I'll only land at like six or 8,000 steps. And so I have to intentionally go after those other steps.

And so one of them was being the household stuff with Katrina, the other one was playing with Max outside. It's just like, this is just like, and I easily could have chose to lay inside or lay on the floor and kind of do nothing, pull that move as a dad, but it's like it motivated me to do this. And so I guess it me, it's how you take the message that you try to present to people

all the time about changing the focus away from the aesthetics. But I think the important thing to communicate is that this doesn't ever end. I'm fully aware of it. I think I've definitely moved over that direction for a long time now. It doesn't mean that I ever stop having that conversation. By the way, perception drift, now that I'm thinking about it, as we're talking, it's popping into my head, that can happen by looking at other people as well, not just looking at yourself.

Like there was a time, like all of us are old enough to remember a time when lip injections were not that common. They've become so common now that I think now people are like, that's what normal lips look like. I'm just using one silly example. I feel like, I think it's very important if you don't want to suffer from perception drift with yourself, is to be very careful with your social media in particular.

Now the real world is still largely occupied by everyday average regular people, but when you're on social media in particular. Now the real world is still largely occupied by everyday, average, regular people. But when you're on social media and your algorithm is a lot of perfect airbrushed or photoshopped or whatever bodies and people, that's probably gonna call, oh no, no, I don't say probably, the data shows us. It will change your perception of how you look and where you, for lack of a better term, rank.

Because if you're always seeing perfect people, you start to look less and less, you start to look worse and worse to yourself. They've connected this now, especially to teenage kids, girls in particular, where social media is causing like this new explosion of body dysmorphia and issues. Because it's like you're scrolling through, your brain doesn't know that it's pictures on social media that you're looking at one in a million type of person. That's your environment. That becomes your environment.

That's what you're perceiving and looking at. It's the thief of joy, as they say. And I love to tell people this, we manage gyms for a long time, okay? That's already a self-selection bias of people who work out. How common are six pack abs in gyms for a long time, okay? That's already a self-selection bias of people who work out. How common are six-pack abs in gyms? Rarely ever. They're still rare in a gym. Even in the gym. Even in a gym they're rare. But yeah, you go through social media

you think everybody's at six-pack. Nobody does. Most people don't. You know, it also highlights too how little people get out these days because they end up spending so much time online. That becomes a reality. So you can sit here all day long and be like that's only one in a million you're looking at but if they have... I see it all the time. That's right. If they see it all day long on Instagram you never go outside you don't do a lot of social things outside with real people. It's already happened to a large degree though. Do you guys know the original Tarzan? I don't know if you guys know, he was an Olympic swimmer.

Okay, he was considered super muscular. Doug, if you could pull up the original Tarzan. He was an Olympic level swimmer, but if you look at him. He was just like a lean guy. He just, I mean, he wouldn't even, he wouldn't even qualify. He looked healthy, he doesn't look, he looks healthy.

He would not, if he had an Instagram page, posting shirtless pictures. He was in SCARZARD, if he had an Instagram page, posting shirtless pictures, he would get zero likes because of the way he looked. But back then he was considered like this, oh yeah, right there at the shirt off, top right. That right there. He was like, oh my God, have you seen his, he just looks like a fit dude.

But everybody, when it first came out, everybody was like, oh my God. He's like the super body About yeah perception drift on our entire society, right? Oh on everything I think that's and they say, you know, I know we talked, you know, I mean men have experiences for sure I mean we grew up in the 80s and 90s. That was like the those are the decades of Arnold and 80s and 90s. That was like, those are the decades of Arnold and it's sorts of action. It's a mess. Huge.

I remember when Die Hard came out, one of the reasons why it was such a popular movie was Bruce Willis didn't look like a bodybuilder. He wasn't super jacked and like shredded. I remember literally, I remember my uncle saying, cause I was a kid and they're like, you got to watch this movie, it's like a regular guy. He's like a guy. Yeah. He's angry and he has a gun.

Yeah. I'm like, whoa. It's realistic. He's like a regular guy. He's angry and he has a gun. It's realistic. It could be any one of us. Doug, I got to ask you this. We're supposed to talk about Caldera. You do their whole line. You have a routine, right? Pretty much, yeah. So what's the routine that you do? Because first off, you always look so good. Well, thank you, Sal. I appreciate that. You got it. You got it.

What's the routine? I just use the oil. I don't use the other stuff. So yeah, I mean, I don't use every one of their products. But I do use their oil, which is called The Good. I use that at nighttime. OK. I use the, I think it's called the base layer,

which is the cream during the day. I use that. I use their sunscreen on days I know I'm gonna be outside. I do use that. And I love that sunscreen. And then the other thing for cleaning your skin, I will use that when I shower in the evening. Yeah, the cream.

Are you supposed to put the base layer on first? Well, I don't use the two at the same time, typically. Oh, you go cream in the morning, oil at night. Yeah, I mean, I don't know the exact protocol. I know I don't do it right. I go base layer in the morning after I get out of the shower. And I do clean the clean slate in there. I also use the soap.

I think the soap is one of the best. The soap is awesome. The soap is one of the best products. Justin, you like their sunscreen. You're like Mr. Sunscreen. Yeah. Why? Well, mainly, like, my neck.

I'm always like. He is literally a redneck. Yeah, I don't want to be a redneck. Do you take your shirt off and you're like the guy that has the ring around? I hate that dude. That's hilarious. Yeah. Hey, speaking of Justin, by the way, dude, we were over here. I don't know if you were in here, Adam. And I mean, how we've all been doing this podcast for 10 years. Yeah. I feel like I know every crazy story from you guys But Justin I even forgot we're gonna bro Justin said something earlier and I'm like what?

Okay, you gotta say so you you said out loud and I cut you off. I'm like, I gotta bring some of the podcast Yeah, well, you know the story. I mean, it's a story. He's never told us. Yeah, which is okay I mean, it's okay. So I I went to Mexico and I Was helping out building houses doing a mission trip, you know the church which I didn't know you did that either. Hold on Yeah, I've done that a few times. I don't know you done that. Yeah Terrible, but he's a sure anything what like it. Well, yeah, no, we know you guys Told you guys everything

Yeah, you've met the pastor anyway So yeah, we went down there and I was part of the build crew and so we we framed houses We build it the whole thing to where they could literally move in and they were I mean they weren't much bigger than this studio Each one of them we built like maybe five of them. That's great. And there's different crews there. I was like 13. So that's great, dude. Yeah. And so we went down there and I was hanging out and, you know, the water there is like, you want to avoid it at all costs. And so I did. And I was like eating some of the food and everything and I thought I was okay. And it turns out I actually had like something

with ice in it, which like I didn't even put those two together. Ices water. Yeah. I miss that in science. Yeah. Yeah. So coke doesn't kill everything. Yeah. So I was at my, so right from there, we, we went to my grandma's, um, and my brother and I and my parents and, and so I ended up sleeping in my grandma's bed that night in Mexico. No, this is when I got home. Oh, I just got home from Mexico. That's why I just tell that God. Okay. That's such a good story. Can you, by the way, can you. That's why I just tell that's got it. Okay, I said this part such a good story Yeah, can you by the way, can you predict what's about to happen? Yeah, he was in Mexico. Yeah, you had the water Yeah, okay. All right. I shit the bed now you guys want you want the punchline right away?

Bed storyteller here you go Shit the bed. I shit my grandma It happens overnight. My brother actually shit in the bed. I shit in my grandma's bed. It happened. It was overnight. My brother actually slept in the bed with me. Whoa! You shit in the bed while he was in bed?

I had no idea. But that's the thing. It was like in my sleep. So I was just, oh, get up. And I'm like, oh, god. And it was everywhere on my side. And I felt really bad. I think we ended up just throwing away all the sheets.

And anyway, my mom was like, oh my god. Yeah, so I felt bad about that. But yeah, that was my entire story. It was like, shit, my grandma's bad. So there you go. That's your grandma's bad? Hold on a second. You slept through it?

Yeah. How did you do that? I was so tired, dude. You understand. Go Sleep it was funny cuz the trip was like we all had to sleep in this That like it had all these bunk beds and it was open and so there was like a bunch of guys that would stay up Play games and all this stuff. I like really tired, dude. I don't I'm like not a good person to be around when I'm tired I'm like a big asshole. I'm more than Adam 1000% like more of an asshole than Adam and I'm just like I end up losing it I felt bad. I like snapped and these are all like like church dudes, you know I was like, shut the fuck up. Oh.

Did you really? Yeah. In front of my pastor and everybody. And I just was like, losing my mind. And so anyways, I was very tired. I get home and I just was out, like black out, out. And wake up. Now when you woke up and you smelled it,

did you know it was you? Or were you like, you met your brother? No were you like, man, it's your brother? You didn't. Nobody had to check this first. You checked your brother. I knew it. I knew you did. I'm like, oh my God, dude, why?

Oh no, it's me. Oh my God, dude. That's wild. Now, I told you guys what happened to me with my cousin's party, but that was because the guy was drunk, right? Like, my cousin, you remember I've told you stories about my cousin who had the trailer part,

lived in the trailer part, we used to throw a fucking like 300 person parties at his house. So he had a double wide trailer that his parents lived in, and they used to travel all the time. They used to have, they had a cock farm, okay? So they had roosters, right? Oh, sorry. He said it like this.

I like the way he described that. So they, and they used to, they used to go back to the Philippines and stuff. So he was like actually a world champion. I won't sell him out on the podcast and say his name and some of that, but he was a world champion cockfighter. Like literally known in the, he's famous in the Philippines.

Wow. So that was my- That's a brutal thing. My cousins stepped out and he lived on this farm that was probably, I don't know know probably five acres worth of all these You know so many crazy people Every time you say a story only wow Adam always sees the good in everybody So so we so we live on these five acres There was a double wide trailer that they lived in in this place and had a gate in the front.

So it was great because we throw parties and close the gate so cops couldn't get in or anything like that. And we would throw like big old 300 person keggers at a double wide trailer. Most obviously everybody's mostly outside and stuff like that. But anyways, when the night would be over,

like you crash on whatever bed, couch, car. I've slept in my car so many times, laying in the back of my little Acura Integra, sleeping with the car cover. Like I've had crazy nights like that. And one night we are sleeping in my cousin's parents' bed, you know, in their king bed. There's probably four dudes, you know, like sleeping like this, but we're passed out drunk, you know what I'm saying? We're drinking all night long, some of that. And I woke up soaked because the dude next to me pissed the bed Oh, and it was like I was soaking wet and I was like Oh my god, in his?

It was yeah, it was his but I mean he got all of us I mean he peed that much that everybody who slept in that bed woke up wet from this dude But I mean that was why he was I can't imagine chitting and being sober I didn't imagine cheating and being sober You had been so exhausted very relaxed he was like thank God nobody was trying he was faster was like happening over five I don't know if I was dreaming. I went to Vegas with a buddy of mine years ago and we got back to the room and we drank a lot and I'm in the middle of night he woke up and it was dark and I could hear him waking up and I'm like

hey what's up man what are you doing? And then I hear water hitting the ground and I'm like no. You go to enough parties you've seen that. He was at half asleep. He was peeing in the side of the room. Yeah I've seen that hitting the ground. Yeah, and I'm like no you go to enough parties. You've seen that He was just he was at half asleep. Yeah, it was peeing in the side of the room. Yeah Yeah, I've seen that I've seen that actually a couple of times where guys have done that miss being so so true So when you used to do your mission a more positive lighter side of the conversation Hold on. Let's chip the guy that was he with you there No, he wasn't there. It was it was the high school and junior high kind. Do you remember if you did stuff like this voluntarily or is this stuff your parents made you do?

Um, I think it was- Because I was supposed to do a few of these. But I think I actually wanted to do it because I was, I enjoyed building things and it was like an opportunity that I could give back and, you know, like help out. So anytime I have a skill and I can help out with it, I was always happy to do it. Oh, that's good. So I mean, and you know like help out so anytime I have a skill and I can help out with it I was always happy. Oh, that's good. So I mean could you think like I feel that's like gotta be a good thing for a kid Very actually if you're if you're a kid like if like our kids are pretty privileged Yeah, so I feel like it would be a good thing for them to go

I'm always like trying to promote yeah, because you know that way they could see what it's like for some people they can go help them You know, I feel like yeah I just wonder how many I mean I'm curious about your kids would do like would they go begrudgingly or would they like go willingly? Like what would they be? I'm trying to remember how I was supposed to do a couple I can't even remember that's why I wanted to ask you. Yeah, I can't remember How my attitude was about it like did I want to do it to my parents and were my parents trying to make me? I just remember I was supposed to go in a couple. There was something that ended up happening.

There was like, I remember one time I was supposed to go down to Mexico to do it and there ended up being like a crazy like gang shooting type thing that happened right before I was like, okay, you're not going. I remember my parents telling me. But I can't remember how I felt. Both of my older kids have done volunteer work

because it's part of the schools that they would go to and each time they came home, they were like lit up. Better kids. Yeah, no, I mean just, you could tell that they did something joyful. They're talkative and both times they were packing food for homeless, is what they were doing. Actually over here, not too far from here.

Yeah, I think for me, I was always, it was the school driven ones I would do begrudgingly or like the river road cleanup or like those things. I had to do a lot of those and like community service stuff that was just like, it's like you're just clocking hours. Like if it had like purpose behind it and you're helping a family or like, you know, I don't know. I guess I was more drawn to that because it's like it's actually, yeah. That makes sense. I still remember the very first time that I ever did the Christmas thing and I didn't I didn't realize how much I would like it was more like hey, I should do this originally and then when I did I realized like oh wow

That was really fulfilling Bishop Barron called that. He referred to that spiritual physics that you If you want to feel filled with love, to pour it out. And the more you pour out, the more you're, you're filled. I feel like I've heard Arthur Brooks talk about that too. Yes. Yeah. It's not an uncomplicated. Like the ultimate, doesn't he talk about that?

All now he talks about it from a data. Yeah. He doesn't talk about that for like, uh, like his most recent book, I think I believe is it gives him that, like your, their back phase of your life is like the ultimate teaching and giving. Jared And like that's the ultimate fulfillment is to be able to work hard your whole life, to learn a craft and to do something with purpose, then to give that back is like the ultimate. Pete So, my wife had an experience recently where she was, you know, part of this journey for us, this Christian journey has opened us up to a lot of things.

So now she's always been very generous, but she was at a restaurant and a homeless person walked in asking for some water and my wife saw her and gave her a bunch of money and the woman looked at her and said, oh, thank you so much. And then went to hug Jessica. Now, this is a homeless person. They're dirty. And my wife said, I would have never before felt like, but she goes, and I just, I wanted to hug her and gave her a big hug. And she said, she felt, she called me up and she's like, I feel so blessed. I said, what do you mean? I got to hug this woman and give that to her.

And that's that spiritual physics that you, you know, that they talk about. That's interesting. It changes you. Yeah, it's pretty remarkable. I've always thought about like, how would you give back with fitness? Like how would that work?

I've always thought about like. What the fuck do you think you're doing right now? Yeah. What the fuck do you think you're doing right now? This is free. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

I was like, talking me down. He's like, let me find a way I can give away. do right now this is free yeah yeah exactly talking me down he's like let me find a way I can give away this guy's like let me find a way I can give more of our stuff away we even program every time somebody calls in hey dawg what are we doing right now? 2500 and something hours of free content

I'd say we've given some stuff for free dawg if you're privy like there's definite ways to win free stuff from us always. Yeah. We just always provide that as an opportunity. I know. I'm glad we do. I'm just saying, you don't see that in a lot of companies.

Listen, also this. I'm serious. Obviously, all jokes aside, the way that this business since day one has been able to build and scale, the number one place has been Maps Fitness Products. And from day one has been able to build and scale, the number one place has been MAPS Fitness Products. From day one, we've been giving those away from every week. Every week we have a minimum of what, 8 to 12 people that we give a minimum of 8 to 12

programs every week, which is that is the way we feed our families and we built this business and we led with that. But you know what I was thinking though, I was of like the impact that fitness can have constructive fitness can have Especially on kids. I think about high school kids who don't really have anywhere to go. Yeah after school Yeah, and they could go imagine if they had access to a gym or something like that, right with some coaches That could help them out. I've always thought about something like this. How could yeah, I'd love to be involved So that's what drew me back to high school, you know to help with the coaching and that's the things you just realized Oh my god. Yeah in in you know, that's the thing is you don't get that immediate return of like, oh, thank you

And like I'm not like getting a lot high fives or anything, but like, you know, you see them Like I just went this weekend back to a game and they're undefeated this year. No way. I was like, Oh, wow. And like, you know, I'm no longer coaching. Obviously. Thank you for bringing that up. He laid the foundation. I got there. No, no. He laid the foundation, okay? No, no, no. I got there and things got worse. I was on a podcast talking about it. It got worse. Oh yeah, yeah, and here we are, right?

I'm gone and now they're doing great. But anyways- You laid the foundation for all the principles that they laid. I saw it, okay, so there was freshmen and sophomores that I was going out of my way and I was like, I'm going to go to college. I'm going to go to college. I'm going to go to college. I'm going to go to college.

I'm going to go to college. I'm going to go to college. I'm going to go to college. I'm going to go to college. I'm going to go to college. I'm going to go to college. I'm going to go to college. I'm going to go to college.

I'm going to go to college. I'm going to go to college. I. Okay, so there was like there was freshmen and sophomores that like I was like going out of my way to help all your recruiting that that's why they're doing good. Now, we kept them together. They jailed, they became a solid unit and they applied a lot of principles were teaching the varsity at the time and they actually became a force. And it was like, it's great to see that. That's cool. But it's just like, yeah, and again, I didn't, like that's how I look at it. It's like, oh fuck, I can't get this right now,

but it's not about me. Speaking of a return on investment, be honest, I want you guys to be honest with me right now. Okay, no lying, no making up numbers. Exactly how many times have you guys played that expensive video game that you bought here for the studio? He hasn't played it yet. Zero for you. How many times have you guys played that expensive video game that you bought here for the studio? He hasn't played it yet.

Okay, zero for you. How many times have you played a full game? Oh God, quite a few times now. More than five? No, about five. Five times, Doug, how many times have you played it? Five to seven. Okay, so you guys have played this like 12,

how many times have we had that thing? We've had it for like two weeks. We've had it for like two weeks, and that's like five. I have a job, man. I know, yeah, I have a job too, guy. I'm not the one that wants to spend thousands and thousands of dollars. I want to hold this until a year goes by,

and if we're not using it, then you can glitch. I'm going to, for sure. This guy comes in. He just can't wait. Adam comes in. What if Adam becomes a pro driver? I don't know, first of all, I used to think I was a great closer. I don't know how he convinced my partners to buy this.

Didn't need any convincing. I wanted the damn thing. This is an incredible video game system. It's like- It's not a video game, bro. It's a video game. What is it? Not a simulator.

It's a simulator. It's a real life simulator. Okay, it's a, what do they call it? It's like a car racing? It's a simulator. It's called a race simulator. But it's a video game basically. No. Bro. I draw this. Not a's called a race simulator, but it's a video

Spec that out You know some kind of like arcade and be able to jump This is real you can actually change it to where you are literally driving one of your cars That's how we are that you actually own can go drive for reals? Yeah. Yeah, you can take it on a track. It makes no sense. It makes a lot of sense because when I crash on there, I'm not out hundreds of thousands of dollars.

So I get right back on, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's the positive side of that. Oh my God. Yeah. You guys, I had to bring it up because I was laughing the other day. I saw you playing.

They played you a raffle. All right, DoorDash. Hey, listen. I eat the food, Doug Asher. All right, DoorDash. That's true. I'm with Doug. Ask us in a year, because I've already told Justin. I was just talking to him.

Has the staff tried it yet? Of course. They're using it all the time. And then Cole is like obsessed with it. Cole's got the record right now. Yeah. Right? Did Dylan, did you pass him yet?

I did, but then he got back in front of me again now. Oh, yeah. The deal. Did you pass him yet? Oh yeah. So I want you guys to know that I was trying to give you guys a race. They wanted to buy as the guy looking at team morale guys at $3 raise or that stop. But it's, it is pretty, I mean, it is incredibly elaborate. It's yeah. It's insane. So have you guys watched the movie, Gran Turismo yet? Yeah, I did. Is that what the guy used?

Yes. That's what he used to become a real racer. Well, I mean, he actually used a lesser one, but like a lot of that has been now, like that's a model now. Like it has become a model now where there's several, if not, I don't know how many. Kenny Reeves did it, and he just raced, like, in some Grand Prix.

Yeah, there's a lot of, there's, look it up now, Doug. How many race car drivers are born from race simulators now? What, dude? I don't know. I wouldn't put it past Adam to be pre-obsessed. Yeah. Yeah, do not put it past me. I know why you got it, because you got last place.

I put my mind to shit. I put my mind to shit, bro. Look the fuck out of it. I'm obsessed with something else right now, but if I get obsessed with that, it'll be over. Because you're just adding fuel to shit bro. Look the fuck now, but if I get You're just adding fuel to my fire I might become a pro driver just to prove you wrong Just to get my shit in the number be like when we race the cars, I knew this would happen

I saw Adam like oh great don't act like we didn't get like one of those like arm wrestling machines You would be fucking use that every day. I mean Right. Yes, I could be as loud. One of those punching bags. Oh, look at my punches. My gripper. You've made them go out of the back to go get it. You show off. We just got back from a speaking engagement in Florida. Sal spoke at the Cabral's event and Dr. Cabral's team mentions that they were testing

people's grip strength and Sal's ears perked up. He's about to go on stage, this whole thing is all about it and he finds out there's a grip test where they're competing against everybody. Who has the biggest grip in the whole area? He's like, he's like, I want to do that. He's like, well after your talk, we'll set it up so you go do it. So as soon as he gets done with his talk, right, comes out as the first thing he was like, where's the grip test at? We're looking all over. They said, we don't have it out. Someone's put it away.

So he makes somebody go in the back and get it and bring it out so he can show everybody his grip strength. 163 pounds. I mean, you put it down. He said, Dr. Cabral said, nobody gets over 160. That's all I'm going to say. You didn't break it, though. I just did.

Damn it. Did you find any for me, Doug? As a number of people have become Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool how, I mean it's, I mean that's pretty wild to think that they've been able to That's crazy. To create something in a video game, okay?

That's crazy. That actually translates to driving. I would say the only thing I could see myself getting motion sickness with that. I have, I threw up. So I have to take, I have to take a Adrenaline? Yeah. Oh my. It'll get to me. Every time if you go hard on it? Well I am now just as a precaution but I've thrown up twice by doing it. So but I mean it's like anything else. I sure I have to acclimate and this is what I get for

like never doing it. Then all of a sudden three hours right? So are the games expensive on that? No they're not that expensive. We play for like a membership for like... I remember when you guys got it. I was sweating when you asked that. And then Adam's like, oh, we have to get separate video games? It was like 30 bucks for the year or something. I started laughing so hard. Like that sucks. No, it was not.

No, we downloaded all of them. But the thing that is what... The only thing, everything else I swear, is the steering feels exactly like the car You're driving the braking feels gas everything weird You don't feel the speed right because you you're not moving Yeah, I mean even though they have the d-box you are moving, but you're not moving forward, right? So it there is a there's a bit of a like you have to pull you have to get used to like one of the first things

Everybody does that gets on that thing like you think like because it's like a video game you think oh if I play video games I'll be able to just get in here like no like you get in there you are all over the place it's hard it's really hard to get used to it once you get used to it you realize like oh wow like this car I'm coming up on this hairpin turn and I'm doing 120 miles an hour and it doesn't feel like 120 then you wonder why you spin all out it's like you would never in real life take a turn at 120 like that. And so you have to learn the speeds going into the turns

and stuff like that. That's crazy. Oh, speaking of tech and stuff, did you guys hear about, I think it was Google, what they just got approved to do? Because to power their AI? Did you hear about this? No.

Doug, look up Google nuclear reactors. They just got approval to build, dude, that's and have and own I think seven mini nuclear reactors. Just to power their... Didn't you tell me, weren't you guys the ones that told me that Disney World owns the right? They own the rights to it to be able to build one, a nuclear reactor. Yeah, see it's agreed to purchase right there, move up a little bit Doug, it's agreed to purchase nuclear energy from small modular reactors being developed

by a startup called Kairos Power. By the way, these new nuclear reactors are amazing. They're smaller, they're way more efficient, and they can't melt down. You can't have the accidents that some of those old models have. Oh wow. Yeah, and some of them old models have. Yeah. And some of them, I believe, run on the waste

of other nuclear reactors. So older nuclear reactors will produce a little bit of waste. They'll run off of that. So what are we all fighting over? It's like, why don't we just do that for the energy system? Dude, nuclear power, we have the future of energy here already, just people are, it's unpopular for some reason, but it's the best.

Because of the fear-bongering, but like you said, if they have all these fail-safes now, and they've improved, and so the footprint is great. So that's the other thing is the environment, because you don't want a nuclear reactor right where you're surfing or whatever. No, but they're clean. Even the old nuclear reactors are so much cleaner than other energy. It's one of the cleanest sources of energy that we have. Yeah. You know, it's always interesting to me when we get stuck in a situation like this

with the fear around something like this. I mean, how did we ever even get to planes? You gotta think that the first time when we were trying to take off on planes, a couple would crash and you would think that you would, why wouldn't you just like. There were very little regulations back then. Yeah.

I mean, that's why you think of some of these things that we use today, if you allowed the same logic to be applied, okay, back then as the way we apply the logic around like the nuclear reactors and things like that, that we put regulations, like no way this is unsafe, you can never do this. We wouldn't have progressed in some things that we all use every single day.

The best example of that are the FDA and its approval process for drugs is so crazy. It costs a billion dollars to take a drug from conception to market. I think that's so dumb. Which means there's a lot of concepts that never even get considered. How hard would it be, Sal? It makes no sense to me.

I feel like if I was on the brink of dying and I had the option. This is a subject for me. To me, I'm on the brink of dying and I have an option of, hey, we haven't tested this, this is high risk for you, but this is what we see or hear, it's your choice. I mean, I would like at least the choice to do it.

Or you can go the safe route, this is the one that's been 10 years tested, this and that, and it may improve by 20, may improve you by 20%. This is sensitive to me. I had a family member who was terminal and she couldn't use whatever she wanted. And I remember telling the doctor,

I looked at him and said, she's terminal. But what's the worst that could happen? Exactly. It's gonna kill her? She's going to die. Why can't she just, she should be able to use crack cocaine if she wanted to, just to make herself feel better

if she's already terminal. It's insane to me. There's gotta be a middle ground somewhere. Maybe like a, it'd be nice if they had a rating system where it's like. Because I understand why there's regulation. By the by my point of that is not, oh get rid of all regulations so all drugs

are just free for all. No, you can have it but then you should give it, you should have an option for the ones that haven't passed through all that stuff. And then you end up becoming, like you're part of the trial. Yeah. Well, isn't AI gonna disrupt a lot of that? Yeah.

Yes, yes, because you're gonna be able to simulate it so fast. Yeah, they've already done that with AI, where they've identified chemical pathways and potential medicines by going through hundreds of thousands of options, and then it narrows it down to a couple that then a drug company will We'll look at but still cost a billion. That's crazy dollars. Yeah, and you know, you brought this up Adam the Pharma industry is very you know when you're trying to raise that much money, you know, if there's gonna be a lot of corruption

Yeah, you know like like why they advertise lot of corruption. Like why they advertise on TV? You ever wonder why they advertise on TV? You can't buy a drug without a doctor prescribing it. Why do they advertise? So they can influence media. That's why they become a big part of their budget. I mean, you can kind of see why too. Certain drugs that are really cheap

are very easily accessible and available. They don't want you to know about that. Like, because of the amount of money they have to spend to put into that and you're the machine of it. We're one of how many, I think we're only one of three or four countries or less that actually allow advertising for drugs. Yeah, we're one of the very few.

I know there's less than four. And it makes up a majority advertising revenue. Yeah, 80%. It's fucking crazy. And And it makes up a majority advertising revenue. You got 80%. Yeah. It's fucking crazy. And they do that so they could have influence because when you're a media company. Yeah, you're not buying drugs from seeing the commercial.

No. That's not it. They're doctors. Yeah, creating the narrative. That's right, that's right, 100%. Does RFK talk about that? Yeah, he wants to eliminate, he said he wanted to eliminate their ability to advertise on TV, which I think just reduces

their influence on media outlets for sure, because now they're no longer a big part of their funding or whatever. Speaking of health, we have early access Black Friday for our programs, but part of this is you can win five days at the Mind Pump house. Now the reason why I said health,

the Mind Pump house, first of all, it's an amazing location. It's right by Park City, Utah. Incredible skiing, great outdoors, one of the best places to go. But the house is optimized. Like we put in there, we have a plunge cold system, so you can go in there, do your cold dip.

We have the sauna, red light therapy, we have a gym in the garage, we have sleep systems on the bed. It's like you go there and you're gonna do all the health stuff that you wanna do while. You can experience all those nice little bio hacks. All those bio hacks. I mean, this is the most, 10 years we've been doing this.

So this is the most excited I've been for the, you know, Black Friday and the, you know, November month for us. Like it's always a good time for the business. But this year to do something where we're doing a giveaway like this, I think is really cool. Super curious to see like how well it does. And the fact that we're opening up for two different winners and you're not limited to when you stay. So you want to go-

You pick the dates. Yeah, you guys pick the dates and be able to book them out. Obviously, if there's something that's booked in the next couple of weeks and you can't go, then we'll open it up for an entire year later if you need to. But we want to be able to give them first dibs on any time to stay there. So pretty exciting. And you get more entries, the more programs, so far as you get, the more entries you get.

So bundles give you the most entries, and so you could have a shit ton of entries, and you're much more like, go up. Yeah, I mean, 60% off everything, right? Because we're doing early access for the contest, which means everything is 60% off. Speaking of the plunge, cold dip, you were the one that was most consistent using that.

Yeah, then I haven't been lately. plunge, cold dip, you were the one that was most consistent using that. You brought up, no, but you brought up using cold as a pre-workout. I talked to someone else in the gym the other day who heard us talk about that on the podcast, started doing it and said that they eliminated their pre-workout. They no longer drink caffeine or a pre-workout. Yeah, that makes sense.

The adrenaline rush that I get, and I've been this coming from a caffeine junkie, caffeine lover, even when I wean all the way off and I come back to caffeine, because that's always a good time, when you reintroduce it after it's been a while. Oh yeah, it's a fun, fun. It is a fun time.

It's like, oh, this is what this does. I forgot, you know? I remember you. But even that, because I'm very aware of that, because I do that, I cycle it often throughout the the year and so I know what that feels like the Jumping into the plunge before pre-workout is greater than that by far. It's longer lasting So, you know what he said to he said he eliminated his pre-work because he heard us talk about plunge He bought one started using it started using it in the mornings

That's when I work out and he goes he goes in his he has at his house Started using it started using it in the mornings. That's when I work out and he goes he goes in his house Jumps in there gets up dries off gets in the car makes it to the gym and he's like, I don't take a pre-work I don't take caffeine. I'm way more hyped way more focused. Yep, and I have no pain He said he used to have to warm up. Yes information because I asked him I said, you know, I didn't ask you this when you said it I said, are you stiff from being cold? He was no opposite. Yeah, he goes I get into my lifts and I am not stiff. I move great, I'm hyped, no caffeine, and it lasts, no crash, it lasts way longer.

So somebody else was telling me about that. I think that's what, it's funny too because, and this is why it got marketed terrible, because obviously there was a huge wave of people that came all, that started poking at the science, right? They started saying things it's like, you know, cuz because it was pitched and it was sold originally as the recovery process to build muscle and That was where all the holes were being put. It's like I never even cared for it like that It's not how I I don't use it. That's a build muscle

No, dude, you want to talk about something that literally don't use it post-workout use a pre-workout Pre-workout is is the move for that. By the way, we've talked about this. Remember the studies on the cold gloves and people doing an exceptional amount of reps more on the second set. I wanna try that. But hold on, I wonder if there's a similar effect

of using the cold, the plunge. 100%. So your performance goes through the roof, the plunge. 100%. Of course. So your performance goes through the roof, you have no pain, you don't need a stimulant like caffeine. You do not, so what I find myself getting is you don't get fatigued. I mean, the first half of your workout

is like your body trying to warm up still. Because when you sit in that cold plunge for a few minutes, I get myself up before me, it brings your core temperature down so much that all the movement and exercise you do, it's still rising. So it takes a while before you actually really heat up. I bet you, I'll be careful how I say this,

I don't know how big of an impact this would have on actual numbers on the scale. However, I bet you fat oxidation increases when you cold dip before you work out because it does activate brown fat. It does activate the thermal, the type of fat that you have on your body that is active. There's two types of fat, two main types of fat.

Brown fat is the thermogenic type, it's the active type. The more of that you have, the better you are off versus the white fat. And cold therapy increases the percentage of that. So I bet you if you do a pre-workout, besides feeling better, you probably also increase to some extent fat oxidation, I would bet, to some extent.

Because of what you said, they're trying to warm up the body. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense. I know just from personal trying it and doing it, it's money. And if you've never tried it before and you like cold punching, do it before the workout. All right, well the shout out,

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It's about the function of standing all the way up with good stability from your hand all the way down to, you down your hips your core down to your legs so No, there really isn't well, you know, you could work all the individual muscles, but you wouldn't be training that pattern I think there's an even better way to communicate this the Turkish getup. I wouldn't even look okay So it's it's like four exercises in one. Yeah, that's what makes it so awesome Yeah, you know that some of the benefits that you get from a windmill, you get from a Turkish get up. Some of the benefits you get from a hip thrust, you get from a Turkish get up. Some of the benefits you get from an overhead

carry, you get from the Turkish get up. That's why it's so awesome. So don't think of it like, oh, what can I do because it takes me so long to do a Turkish get up. You're eliminating four other exercises that you would do individually to get the same thing. So you're actually saving time by doing a Turkish getup if that's what the good point is. I'm assuming this person is thinking, God, the Turkish getup takes me 15 minutes just to do three sets of that, understandably. But what you need to understand is if I wanted to get the same desired outcome, I'd have to put a hip thrust in there. I'd have to put an overhead carry in there. I have to put a wood mill in there. And so you're actually getting something that hits all of that. That's why it's such an awesome movement to incorporate into your routine.

And if you were to break it up into single exercises, you would end up spending more time. And there's, and you know, one of the challenges too is because crunch. I didn't even add that crunch and ab in there. I mean, that's everything. It's like five exercises in one. Yeah. One of the challenges is that bodybuilding workout programming has gotten people so conditioned to thinking of body parts that some exercises don't get included in workouts because people don't know what body part, like where do I put a tookers get up?

Is it on leg day, core day, shoulder day, back day? Yeah. And it's like, you can put it on any day, but it's really the movement pattern. It's teaching the body to all those muscles, everything to communicate and work together. And if you get good at them, you tend to get better at a lot of different things. That's the value of the Turkish Kedap.

Next question is from Kristen Glody. For a freshly postpartum mama who has been cleared to work out again, which three programs would you recommend in order to start and progress through, assuming little to no workouts happen during pregnancy? I'm glad she added that for us. MAPS starter, starter for sure. Starter and then anabolic.

I would go anabolic, start in pre-phase. Or symmetry. And then either symmetry or performance. Yeah. I think it would be a good follow-up. And it helps that she told us that there was, assuming there was little workouts happening during pregnancy. I want to say this though, even if you were working out during pregnancy,

when you're postpartum, your muscle recruitment patterns change so much, especially during the third trimester because of growing baby, that you probably, it's still probably a good idea. I mean, I did with Katrina. I still started her in starter. She worked out all the way up until that baby fucked out, and then I still made her go to starter. Now, I don't think we made it all the way through starter.

I think I made her for at least a month or six weeks do starter, and then I let her go into anabolic, and I think I had her start a phase three of anabolic reverse, if I recall. I talked about it. I remember experiences with clients. I could have female clients who were active. Like they worked out with me before, during, and after.

And then afterwards, doing basic exercises, they would get like SI joint pain and back pain. And I remember I had a physical therapist that worked for me at the time, and she explained to me, she goes, Sal, because of the growing baby, their recruitment patterns change. You have to retrain the new recruitment patterns. Otherwise, they're going to go do these exercises and they have the strength to do a squat and a deadlift and overhead press, but they don't have the same recruitment pattern.

You want to jump past the stability and all of that. So crucial to set you up long term. Otherwise, yeah, you're going to be fighting a lot of those stability issues and a lot of that core and control. Yeah. And this is also why I think postpartum physical therapy should be a staple. I think that's going to be so valuable for women, especially for the pelvic floor and core. Those two areas, the recruitment patterns, they're changed. Your pelvic floor- You need to heal and rebuild.

That affects your stability, your core stability. And when you don't have that, you can be fit everywhere else and you'll start to run into all these different problems, they're changed. Your pelvic floor. You have to heal and rebuild. That affects your stability, your core stability. And when you don't have that, you can be fit everywhere else and you'll start to run into all these different problems and they're gonna be weird, strange, back pain, and whatever you can't figure it out. MapStarter is a really, really good place to start. Next question is from Cole Rowe. How important is getting 10,000 steps

if you also worked out the same day? Interesting, clever. Yeah, it's good. You know, steps are a great way just to be active. How important is getting 10,000 steps if you also worked out the same day? That's an interesting clever one. Yeah, that's good. You know, steps are a great way just to be active. Do you know there's a study around 10,000 steps? It's actually like the reason why that's become so popular, and I forget what, like longevity wise, if people just did 10,000 steps, like the amount like the- So there was a study that came out that showed that-

The base amount. Yeah. Over 80% of the results you would get from walking come from 8,000 steps. So like 8 to 10,000 is where you get the... So working out, the great thing about strength training is it's so protective. So you can lift weights twice a week and get this great benefits that you don't have to work out every day for it. But on top of that, being active every day is just good for you.

And so steps are a great way to track that, right? If I'm tracking my steps, I'm hitting 10,000 a day, I'm probably active more often than not. If I'm like 5,000 steps or less, I'm probably sitting more often than not. And regardless of working out, there are additional benefits to just moving. Well, I mean, this is interesting that this, we chose this question and what I talked about today

with my 10,000 steps Because if I was just thinking about it from an aesthetic purpose, I can make the case for like well I worked out today So technically I did something that's gonna aesthetically improve my body And if I any extra calories will get partitioned over to building muscle So I don't necessarily need to take 10,000 steps but instead one of the things I'm trying to practice thinking about is like, man, I'm just, I'm a better human when I move that much because if I have 8,000 steps, and sure, I worked out,

well, I still need another two, three thousand steps, you know what, I'll go help my wife clean up the house a little bit, or I'll do some dishes, or maybe I'll go outside with my son and I'll play for an extra half hour that I probably wouldn't have played. Like, so for me, like, yes, you're okay. Like, it's not a bad thing. If you didn't hit 10,000

steps, it's not like there's this magical thing that happens when you hit 10,000 steps. But I also think that trying to learn how to attach the extra activity to other things that enhance and improve your life is a good practice to do anyways. And so setting a goal to do at least that, to Sal Sal's point I think is a good idea Next question is from Achilles self our chiropractors legit. What are the benefits? What are the cons? Good ones are sublix. I mean, we know some of the best right Jordan shallow dr. Brink I mean those guys are both chiropractors movement first Some of the most brilliant some of the most brilliant body specialist I've ever met in my lot movement specialists I've ever met in my life, movement specialists I've ever met in my life are those two guys and they're both chiropractors.

I think a red flag is a chiropractor that just does adjustments. You just go in, you get an adjustment and you leave. Chiropractors that do adjustments but also combine it with correctional exercise, those are the ones that are really good because otherwise Adjustments are temporary and adjustments provide relief because they allow Tension to be released from small joints that are normally just tight and not moving. That's what happens What happens is they go and they adjust you because you have all these tight muscles trying to protect you for whatever imbalance that you have they know how to adjust you to point where they create a little bit of, like almost a stretch, like you're stretching the ligaments

or the muscles surrounding you, you get this nice relief, ah, pain is gone, I feel good, but if you don't correct why that's happening in the first place, you're just gonna go back. Right back to protection mode. Yeah, this is when you get those chiropractors that have like just, oh yeah, you see me every week for 10 years, why didn't you fix the problem?

Yeah, it's like foam rolling without finding the root cause and fixing it. Same thing. I mean, I was guilty of this for a long time of like, oh, realizing like, man, my hips would hurt so bad. I just gotta foam roll before I work out every time or foam roll every time before I play basketball. And it's like not realizing like,

well, why do my hips hurt? And then what do I do in order to address it? Oh, it's a lack of hip mobility, stability, and strength. Oh, OK, so if I address stability and strength and mobility in my hips, will that go away? Oh, shit, it did. Look at that. So south mile fashion release like this,

foam rolling is like this, right? So does chiropractic work. So that's such an easy way to gauge it, too. It's like, if you go see a chiropractor, they do all their adjustments, and they just book your next appointment, run. That's a terrible chiropractor. Now, if they tell you, they adjust you and they go, here's the movements I want you to practice. Some of the good ones will print out stuff or even better, like Brink did, like Brink didn't even put me on

a table. No, he does assessments first. He didn't even adjust me. He literally made me take my shoes off, get barefoot, walk, do calf raises, do a bodyweight squat. Yeah. He wanted to see the way my body moved. And then he pointed out to me what's going on and where my breakdown is. And then he'd show me a couple of corrective moves and be like, you need to be doing more of this. In fact, I don't think Brink ever put me on the table all the time.

I always wanted him to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're just cracked me. He did do, um, what's the He did do, what's that called? Scraping. Yeah, yeah, what's that? He's done some of that with me before, where to really get me relief on some stuff for temporarily and then tell me to do the work. But there you go, I mean, there's a guy

who is a chiropractor and he's- I was just gonna say the best chiropractors I've been to, 10% or less at the time, was adjustments. Most of it was assessment, exercise, you know, correctional movements, and then maybe they threw an adjustment. And by the way, that's amazing. So if you find a chiropractor that has that kind of knowledge and treats that way, you got yourself a very valuable asset.

But if you've got a chiropractor who gets you on the table and just gives you relief and then books your next appointment, fucking run. I went to one once that, and then books your next appointment, fucking run. I went to one once that, and this is actually a model, by the way, I don't know if there's a name for it, maybe Doug knows. I've gone through that model. Where you show up and they have 10 or five beds and everybody's on the bed and they go, adjust here,

adjust here, adjust here. They do a stim machine first, they give you a little massage and then, it's, and it's, it was a business model. It was a business model that taught chiropractors how to make the most amount of money. It wasn't a model of like, this is how you help. Yeah, I've been in, I've been to ones where they, it's like, it's literally 10 minute,

10 little 15 minute increments and you show up, they do the whole thing on the computer saying, oh yeah, you have, you know, one inch shoulder elevation here, this, that, like get you on table, correct you. And then like, oh, come see me three times a week for the next 12 weeks or like that. And they had this like whole presentation and they just like get you on table, correct you. And then like, Oh, come see me three times a week for the next 12 weeks or like that. And they had this like whole presentation and they just like

sell you on that the whole time. And you're like, and I I've ran into so many of those facts. The story behind how brink happened was brink came to one of our, Dr. Brink came to one of our live events. You talk shit about, I did. I talk shit. I, he introduced him as he introduced himself and he

introduced himself as a chiropractor and I straight-up told him like First time ever meeting him like I don't like chiropractors And well how he won me over he goes me too. I don't either I went okay I'm listening now, right? And then and then he's like and then he told me about how he was a fan of the show and he's listening to all Stuff that we communicate and he's heard us talk about the chiropractor thing and said that I'm like, okay I'll come see this guy and he blew my to all the stuff that we communicate and he's heard us talk about the chiropractor thing and everything like that. I'm like, okay, I'll come see this guy. And he blew my mind.

He blew my mind. I mean, that guy has taught me more about my own body than I had previously 10 years before being a personal trainer. And so a good chiropractor can be amazing, but you just need to know what you're looking for. That's right. Look, if you like our show, come find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump Justin.

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