Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2476: What Happens When You Do 100 Push-Ups Every Day for 30 Days (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:49 Didn't Hershel Walker do so many pushups, so many sit-ups? So many every single day type of deal? It was probably a football player. I know, Brittany Spears did sit-ups. Did she every day? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a big claim to face.

Starting point is 00:03:00 You know a lot about Brittany Spears. Way too much. Pop culture, it's all Brittany. No, so the daily, first off, okay, if you can't do 100 pushups, or 100 pushups is like an insane amount for you, it's probably too much to start with. So I wouldn't start with 100 pushups

Starting point is 00:03:17 and try and do that every single day. However. What if you broke it up in 10, 10? Yeah, if you could, yeah, I was gonna say, if you could kind of break it up, and not go too intensely, and you did them every day, the first want he's yeah, I'll just say if you can kind of break it up and not go too intensely you did them every day The first thing would happen you said Adam is you would get really good Yeah, like this is one of the fastest way to get stronger and better

Starting point is 00:03:33 at a particular lift or particular skill is to simply practice it every day and then the Second part of that is to practice it in small bites throughout the day. You can do this with any exercise. Yeah, I mean we recommend this all the time when it comes to pull ups, right? People out, that's probably one of the most common exercises that people struggle to even get a couple reps in. And so if you want to get good at pull ups, you jump up, you do one. And then you later on in the day jump up, get another one, jump up and just do that all day long every day and you'll get good at pull ups. I guess the thing when I see stuff like this and I know it gets a lot of attention for whatever reason, it really depends on my client's goal.

Starting point is 00:04:15 Like if my client said like, Adam, I just, I really want to get good at push-ups or, you know, my brother challenged me to a push-up competition and like, okay, here's the path. This is what we're gonna do. We're gonna do it every day. We're gonna do it like this. But do I think that's the best way to build a chest? No, it's not like a mass builder. No, it's like, so I guess I would want to know from the client that is curious about this or the people that clicked these viral videos and want to know about it is like, well, a good trainer before he advises doing a hundred pushups a day for a month would say, well, what is it you want to obtain from this? What are you looking for?

Starting point is 00:04:52 Because there's, there's other paths to building a chest for sure than a hundred pushups a day. Well, and not to mention too, with these like really high number, like 100 rep type exercises, like I just worry about the slop and the form and it just being so fatigue based initially, because the thought process I have to grind my way through to get that hundred number mark. When what you talked about earlier about splitting it up and like, you know, really paying attention to your form and your technique and slowing it down even.

Starting point is 00:05:25 I think that that would be a much more sound approach to it to get really strong. That's the key here. The key with practicing an exercise or a lift daily quality reps is to train below high intensity levels. Is to practice the lift or practice the exercise. Some intensity is okay but if you want to get away with doing something every day, doing it super hard is a great way to not be able to do that. Like if you hammer yourself with push-ups every day you're gonna over train or hurry cause injuries not progress. But let's say you did let's say you picked up this goal like okay I'm

Starting point is 00:06:02 gonna do 100 push-ups every day and if I and if I tried to do as many push-ups as I could at one sitting, I could do 50. All right, so how should I break this up? Should I do two sets of 50? No, 10 sets of 10. If you did 10 push-ups 10 times a day, you would get strong and you would improve your skill in the push-up very rapidly.

Starting point is 00:06:22 Now take that approach and apply it to almost any other exercise. And this is great for people who have a home gym by the way, this is a hack. Like if you had a home gym and if you went out to that home gym five times a day and spent ten minutes practicing an exercise and it was at sub-maximal intensity, it was like a moderate intensity at best, you would see some incredible gains. Now the reason why a lot of people don't do this is because it's just, it's not plausible for most people's schedules, they can't go out and do ten minutes five times a day or something like that, most people work

Starting point is 00:06:55 better with a... Maybe that's why this push-up one's so popular Sal, is because it is the most plausible for all people. Yeah. Right, like you don't need a gym, you don't need anything, you just drop down and you can get 10 pushups. And so it's probably of all the exercises that we've talked about, it is for sure, without even thinking, I mean, uh, you could do body weight squats, but you're not going to be able to do a loaded squats without having a rack or a tool

Starting point is 00:07:20 where pushups you could literally drop down and do that and get rid of. Did you see the stat on Herschel Walker? Yeah. It's such a random thing that you remember that. Yeah, I remember it specifically. Thousand a day. Yeah, I remember it specifically because- I don't know why I didn't check my Britney Spears fact that I dropped it. Kind of biased there per usual. No, well, Herschel Walker, by the way,

Starting point is 00:07:37 is one of the fittest, most incredible athletes of all time. And then as a 48-year-old man, I think competed in MMA. I watched his, I think it was his first MMA fight, I believe it was here in San Jose. Yeah it was. Okay yeah, I was there. I wasn't sure if it was his very first one. Strikeforce, right? It was, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:53 I think so. Was it Strikeforce or was it the other one? No, it was Strikeforce. Was it Strikeforce? Yeah, yeah, I was at San Jose, I was there. Yeah and it was like mid to late 40s at the time. 48, I think it was 48. Yeah, yeah, it was like late 40s at the time. It looked, he came out, he looked phenomenal. Yeah, he he was like mid to late 40s at the time? 48, I think it was 48. Yeah, it was like late 40s at the time.

Starting point is 00:08:05 He came out, he looked phenomenal. Yeah, just the specimen. But this whole concept of doing an exercise. Brittany only did 500 a day. Oh, okay. Or up to 1,000 on a really good day. Wow, she lies though, I don't believe her. Pretty impressive though, I mean Brittany Spears,

Starting point is 00:08:19 Herschel Walker. If it was true, I don't believe her. You don't believe her? No. I believe her. No, I don't think, she's prone to lying. She danced good. She did, listen, this concept is not a new concept, okay?

Starting point is 00:08:33 The Soviets did this for a long time with their athletes, especially their strength athletes. You see people in prison practicing these types of things where they're working out all day. But they're not like beating themselves up every time. They're just working out frequently. This frequent approach to training at sub-maximal intensities,

Starting point is 00:08:54 if you're relatively fit and you practice this, oh, it's, I mean, it's actually pretty amazing. I've experimented with all day workouts and I was amazed at how incredible they are. It's just not feasible for most people to be able to do something like that all day long. But I had a friend once that, he did this throughout the summer.

Starting point is 00:09:13 It was like every, I don't remember what it was, every hour he was home, he would either do pushups, some pullups, or some body weight squats. And so all day long he was doing one or the other. And I mean, it was pretty amazing how fit he got he got just from doing that, that, that frequency model, it doesn't send a huge, by the way, you do intense pushups, uh, 10 times in a day, you're not sending a loud muscle building signal, but you are sending a muscle building signal. And because it's so frequent,

Starting point is 00:09:39 there's this add up, it's cumulative. And so I do believe that, um, there's some, something to,'s something to take note of. And again, if you have a lift that you're not good at, I've seen many people apply this to different exercises and seeing them. There was a squat everyday routine that was popular in social media for a while, before social media. This one forums were popular and people were just remarking how strong they were getting their squat.

Starting point is 00:10:04 You're practicing squats every day. This just highlights the analogy that you've given on the podcast so many times and I've repeated so many times because I just think it's so good like the whole speaker and amplifier analogy. Yeah, and I just think that we we overlook the importance of the CNS portion of it and like I think that we overlook the importance of the CNS portion of it. And like, I think that, which is so crazy to me, because if anybody who's ever purchased like a nice speakers, sound system set up,

Starting point is 00:10:31 like you would never neglect the amplifier. Like that's as the speakers are important and you want bad-ass high-end big speakers, if you want the best sound, but you would never do that and then not put any effort or energy towards investing in a amplifier That's top-notch to power that yeah and to me I think that just it's it says a lot about like the way we approach training where we

Starting point is 00:10:53 We get so focused on the muscle the hypertrophy the way it looks in the mirror and We tend to neglect sometimes the communication around the amplifier to those speakers Which is a central nervous system. And like how important actually training adaptation towards that and improving that, how much bigger bang you get for your buck in the pursuit of strength, health and fitness. My favorite real life example of, of,

Starting point is 00:11:17 of this kind of like sub maximal intensity frequent, you know, kind of muscle stimulation is a bluecollar workers. Blue-collar workers, if you look at the muscles that correspond to their job or their work, they're incredibly strong and incredibly conditioned. Like you go work with somebody swings a hammer and go test their forearm strength and stability and stamina. In fact, they have very much, oftentimes you work with a construction worker who swings a hammer, this is common, forearm is bigger than their upper arm. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:49 They look like Popeye. My stepdad was like that. You'll never... And they're not lifting weights. You'll never shake the hand of a contractor or a plumber and they have dainty hands. No. And they're not going to fail you. Or they're really bad at their craft. You know what I'm saying? That would be a sign right there.

Starting point is 00:12:02 You're not the man for the job if you got dainty hands. And they're not lifting weights. They're not going to failure. They're not getting at their craft. You know what I'm saying? That would be a sign right there. You're not the man for the job if you got dainty hands. And they're not lifting weights. They're not going to failure. They're not getting a crazy pump. They're just all day long, they're using these muscles. And it does have, there is something to take note of. This is why I designed the trigger sessions of Maps Anabolic that people tend to skip

Starting point is 00:12:19 because it doesn't look like traditional strength training, but there's something there. So that's, I think, you know, if you're, if you've got some fitness and some experience, like you can experiment with this. Now you will have to reduce the volume of your traditional training or stop your traditional training to practice this, but it's pretty

Starting point is 00:12:36 interesting, it's very interesting. Grease in the groove. It's a very interesting effect. You know, there's another factor to that, that I find interesting or the least I find more interesting now that in my 40s And I I was definitely the kid that if I bought maps in a bollock in my 20s And I saw the programming and I saw trigger sessions. I'm skipping Yeah, I just know myself and I would be oh just I'll do the main stuff. That's right stuff that really moves

Starting point is 00:13:01 I'm not gonna do the band. I would yes I would it and it's so funny because now, being older now, you know how often I can get away with just doing some trigger sessions and not doing it for a foundational day and keep my muscle mass? So there's something to be said about what it does to promote growth and build strength. And then even just to maintain it,

Starting point is 00:13:20 we know what the studies say as far as how much volume and intensity you need in order to maintain. I mean, if you've done years and years of strength training and you've built a physique at one point in your life, man, to maintain it with like trigger sessions. You can make it recovery focused. I mean, that's really what we're doing is this active recovery where you're sending that signal, but it's a lower intensity signal, lower volume signal, but you're still stimulating the muscle, and it's a lot more likely that you're gonna recover faster. Yeah, and there's an old Soviet training method too,

Starting point is 00:13:50 that they communicate it with squats. They'll say something like, let's say you could squat 200 pounds for 15 reps. Well then what you do is you get into the bar and you squat it 10 times for five sets every day. No matter how strong you feel, you just do eight to 10 reps every day. And then 45 days later or 60 days later,

Starting point is 00:14:11 then you go test your max out and then all of a sudden you see this huge. And so what ends up happening is you do the 10 reps, it's like easy, 10 reps easy, man, I think I could do more, but you just stick to it, you just stick to it. And then 45 days later or so, you add the weight up, let's see what my max is,

Starting point is 00:14:24 and boom, 30 pounds added to your left. Really interesting. Anyway, speaking of aging athletes, because we were looking at Herschel Walker. So Tyson, right, fought. You know. That was so sad to watch.

Starting point is 00:14:36 Yeah, but you know what? First off, this points to how effective the hype machine is. That people completely, like he's 31 years older than his opponent. So when What's-His-Name-Was-Born, Tyson was 31, past his prime, when he was born. And he gets to the ring at 58, it's almost 60 years old. But the love for Tyson is what sold that whole fight.

Starting point is 00:14:59 It is, dude. We love Mike Tyson. And in his youth, he was like, he was a beast, but 58, by the way, you put him in the ring with any 58 year old he'll kill over right it just people get sold on the on the on the hype. I wasn't I watched the fight to watch the girls fight before I had watched their previous fight it was one of the best fights I'd ever seen I told my family our whole family was together congregated for our birthdays because it was on that day. We were celebrating. We had the fights up and I left right before Katrina, I mean right before Tyson's fight.

Starting point is 00:15:29 And everyone's like, you're leaving for this? I'm like, I already know what it's gonna look like. And I got home in time to still catch it. And so, and I put it on and like the first round, I will admit, I sat up in my chair and I went, oh shit. Is this gonna, and then right after that first round. A couple exchanges. Yeah, yeah, because he came out with this flurry.

Starting point is 00:15:46 Well, he had his legs in the very first round. Yeah, and then after that, it was exactly what I thought it would be, which is this like respectful sparring session that Jake put on with him. And you know, there was always that, Tyson, oh, if Jake leaves his hands down, could catch him with something like that,

Starting point is 00:16:02 and you had that feeling of maybe this would happen. But after watching the whole thing, I was like, Oh, this was just a payday for Tyson. And I, I mean, we knew that they were friends going into it. They were like, they like, he's Tyson has said nothing but respectful things for Jake. I really think that this was a conversation outside, uh, you know, podcasting media stuff where it was, Hey bro, I tell you what, you know, podcasting media stuff where it was, hey bro, I tell you what, let's create this super fight

Starting point is 00:16:29 and I'll get you paid, I'll get paid and we'll dramatize it, we'll build it all up. I mean, Jake even alluded to the girls that fought as being gonna be the most exciting fight of the night. He said that even before they fought. And I was like, not only that, it's like, if you watched Tyson and Roy Jones jr Which actually happened in 2020 with to like nobody watched it really but it was just sloppy

Starting point is 00:16:53 It was you know, and it was like I just didn't feel like that that same kind of like fast twitch Tyson existed anymore. And so it was like I just, I knew it was just kind of like a sham. When you talk to coaches, like boxing coaches, like this is like, traditionally what they say is that as you age, the first thing to go is your agility, your speed, and your power is the last thing. Your power's still, yeah, main.

Starting point is 00:17:19 Stamina, right? But agility's the first thing, and they typically talk about the legs, which we witnessed, you know. But again, he's 58, everybody I know that makes a huge difference and He's still amazing for a 58 year old totally. Yeah, he's training Lee nuts. It looks incredible. I mean that that 30 seconds Of the first round would have killed a normal man I mean Jake is still an athlete and he's good enough to defend

Starting point is 00:17:45 himself and stay away from that. If one of us stood in that ring for one minute with him we would have got knocked down for sure. You know but I think what's probably most interesting is to the point you made Sal which is I mean it was over a couple years now ago when we had this debate when I said this is the future of boxing and as it is, right? Which is crazy, and even though I said that when we were debating this, I do still find it fascinating that we are drawn

Starting point is 00:18:13 to something like this, that it's almost like you know damn well it's not gonna be good, yet you can't look away. Isn't that weird? I still wanted to watch it. You know what it is? You know what this proves, is that it's not about the fight, bro.

Starting point is 00:18:25 It's about the hype. It's never about, it's like the fight is, how many times has the hype generated crazy revenue? Well yeah, and how many times did you guys catch a random no-name fight that was one of the most amazing fights you ever seen? No, you don't. Most of the time, yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:40 Yeah, this was. The no-namers that put on the show. Yeah, so it is it is interesting Culture and how we we gravitate towards this type of stuff But what a testament though to Tyson that he left such I don't know any boxer At 58 years old who would get as many people to bet that he would win. Yeah, besides Tyson Well, that's just how fierce he was in when he in his prime. How old was he when he came back? 40 something.

Starting point is 00:19:06 Yeah, 40. Oh, he wasn't even in his 50s. No, and Foreman wasn't. Oh, no, he was 48. Yeah, Foreman was a piece. So the reason I thought he was 50. No, maybe 46. Maybe 46.

Starting point is 00:19:14 It was mid to late 40s. Which, by the way, that's about the end. If you're a high-level athlete and competing at high level anything, if you're doing great in your mid 40s, you are an anomaly. That's about when the shit starts to hit you. That's why Randy Couture in his mid 40s competing with such a crazy thing.

Starting point is 00:19:33 Once you get to 50, 60, Tyson's two years away from being 60. You know what I'm saying? That was life expectancy not that long ago. Foreman was 45. 45, 45. Wow. He was our age.

Starting point is 00:19:44 Yeah, and I thought he was older. And everybody was like, oh my God, wow. Wow, yeah. He was our age. Man, I thought he was older. And everybody was like, oh my God, I can't believe you. I mean, I can't believe it. I can't imagine being in a ring right now. I can't even finish a workout without hurting myself, bro. I'm like fucking, and there ain't nobody punching me while I'm doing that, you know what I'm saying? Just fucking, I can only imagine, dude.

Starting point is 00:20:01 No, no. I can't catch a break, dude. I tell you what, you know, I don't think I told you this. Did you get hurt again? Listen, so. Oh, come on. Did you see that I had Kyle take me through the rehab, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:12 Which was super intense to do that, right? And needed. And afterward, I was like sweating. I was like, oh my god, that was like a challenging mobility session. And then, so last night, Katrina's, so Katrina's been really getting in and working me out and stuff like that on my knots and everything like that.

Starting point is 00:20:30 So I'm doing all the things right now, like all the things I can. And last night, she gets down to start working my legs and she's like, oh my God, you know your leg is all bruised and swollen, right? I went, oh, are you kidding me right now? She goes, no, no, I'm it's I can see like I can see it in the dark, turn on lights. And so I got up to lights, whole back of my hamstrings, all fucking all black and black and blue.

Starting point is 00:20:54 And so I'm like, motherfucker. So when I originally did the injury, and I said, I just probably just got a little strain. I only had about a quarter size bruising. But it's spread. But it's now spread. And obviously when I went through that, just the isometric contractions were enough to cause that. And so I'm definitely going to have to just completely lay off of it for long. Too soon. Yeah, too soon. That's all it was too soon. But just so disheartening and frustrating,

Starting point is 00:21:24 I was like, I put this whole positive spin on like, you know, this will be good. I'll take the audience through, you know, rehabbing it. And, you know, even though it's kind of boring, I still think some people get value from it. I thought we did a great little, you know, session that we videoed and Kyle helped. And it was great too, because there was moments like, so I described to the audience that, you know, there's a reason why I want Kyle here. it's not that I can't do these movements by myself but I want another professional eye who's watching it and it was great because Kyle had a couple times where he's just like I drive that right hip in and I do it I went oh wow you know and

Starting point is 00:21:58 like so just it was a good opportunity to highlight to the audience of the intent of movements like that and rehabbing and why that's so important. You're laying the foundation for going forward. And I talked about how as a trainer, how many times I would get a client, you guys have had this happen to you. I know many times where, you know, nine years later they hire you and you're able to guess they had an injury because of their movement patterns. Right. And that's, and that's a big problem. That's has a lot to do with the way they rehab the injury.

Starting point is 00:22:25 Definitely. Because your body will learn to move around it. That's right. And so I was highlighting that. So I think that part was all real good and was valuable to the audience, but then just so discouraging to do that and then come home and then find out that it's all still bruised.

Starting point is 00:22:40 So I just got to lay off the legs for probably a couple weeks, at least. Because it was about a week that I had laid off of it thinking that I was okay. But the fact that it's bruising up that bad. Yeah. I got to wait a little longer. Yeah. I wonder what kind of terror you plan on getting the imaging just to make sure. No, I don't want to. I don't want the bad news. Okay. Yeah. I'd rather. Such a guy thing.

Starting point is 00:22:59 I will. I'll just keep, I'll just keep, I'll just, and I know there's people out there like, His legs are going to fall off. Yeah. I know. Fuck it. I'll cut a leg off. I keep, I'll just, and I know there's people out there. His legs are gonna fall off. Yeah, I know. Fuck it, I'll cut a leg off. It's just, I don't eat both of them anyways. Turn this into a video. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:10 Today's leg day. Leg. Leg. Yeah, dude, so. Oh, that's frustrating, dude. You know, I wanted to bring something, since we're talking about me and my journey and I'm tracking and doing all this stuff.

Starting point is 00:23:22 So interesting, and this is kind of a shout out to Ned, one of our partners. I wanted to ask you the difference because I didn't really, I mean, I knew it was good, but I didn't realize the difference until this. So right now I'm obviously very regiment, I'm consistent with a lot of my supplements and tracking everything.

Starting point is 00:23:40 And what happens, just being honest and transparent, we get so much supplements from all different brands always sent to us that sometimes when like my favorite brand like Ned, I run out, I just grab something from the back and I'll just use whatever I got at the house because we have so many. And so I, you know, I've already learned a long time ago that the magnesium is night and day difference for me for

Starting point is 00:24:05 catching sleep. And so I've been using some, and I don't want to throw shade on any other brands, but I was using some other brands until my Ned, until I got my Ned, until our shipment came through. And then I picked up. And so a couple of weeks had gone by of using other magnesium. And then the first night back of using Ned, I'd felt the difference in my sleep again. What is it in theirs that is, and I know they have a couple other things and maybe it's that, is what is different about them than typical magnesium?

Starting point is 00:24:30 So if you have a magnesium deficiency and you take magnesium, you'll notice, typically within 30 minutes to an hour, you'll just feel more calm and you'll just feel good. Not sleepy, but you'll feel like, oh, my body feels pretty good, which you probably are always a little bit deficient. That's why you feel just feel good. Not sleepy, but you'll feel like, oh, my body feels pretty good, which you probably are always a little bit deficient. That's why you feel it so much.

Starting point is 00:24:48 Yeah. They have GABA and theanine in there, which can help with the laxation, but then they have three different types of magnesium. One of the issues with magnesium is its absorption. Ternate. Your ability to absorb it. So they have bisglycinate in there, lactate,

Starting point is 00:25:01 gluconate, aqua, Aquaman magnesium citrate. So three different types of magnesium, all of them will get used by different tissues or have a different absorption with different tissues. It's just, it's a very bioavailable magnesium supplement. So I've heard the same thing from people who are like, oh, magnesium didn't do anything with me, try this. And then they'll try it. It goes do this to the blood brain barrier, right?

Starting point is 00:25:26 Yes, some of them will cross the blood brain barrier other a little bit better for other tissues in the body But the blend is what makes the difference. Oh, yeah, it's it's uh, you know, and I I've been I've been You know hyping them for ever since the day. I tried them. It was a big difference for me But to me, this is always the neat thing I love about what we do and when you've been consistent with stuff. The best test to me is when you go away from something and then you revisit again. And it wasn't intentional. It wasn't like I was testing this on purpose. It was just like, I literally ran out. I'm like, oh, I have these other magnesium pills. I'll just keep taking those. And then I keep

Starting point is 00:26:02 reminding myself, oh, I need to grab the net, I need to grab the net, finally do it, and then use it again, and then lo and behold, all of a sudden I have this magical night of sleep, and I'm like, oh interesting. I wonder if there's- I've had lots of messages like that of people who will first email the message and say, I already used magnesium, didn't do anything for me,

Starting point is 00:26:19 and I'm like, try this. Makes a big difference, definitely. They have another product called The Destress, by the way, which we never talked about, and it's got Ashwagandha in it as well. And it's got different cannabinoid blend in there for stress. Different than the sleep.

Starting point is 00:26:32 Sleep will knock you out. We've talked about it before. Take, don't take Ned's sleep and drive. This is good in combo with caffeine. This is a good combo with caffeine. Very, very nice. I'll have to try that. Combination.

Starting point is 00:26:44 I'm going to pass that over. Speaking of working out and stuff, I'm going to need an intervention because. Oh, you've been needing one for, very nice. I'll have to try that. Combination. I'm gonna pass that over. Speaking of working out and stuff, I'm gonna need an intervention because. Oh, you've been needing one for a long time. I'm getting go. I'm getting carried away, dude. We're just now getting to this?

Starting point is 00:26:52 Oh, okay. You know what I did? I dropped. How do we mobilize that? I dropped, my gut health is good, so I got like the trifecta, right? Gut health is good. I switched to a lower volume style of training,

Starting point is 00:27:03 which I'm reacting to really well, and I'm just growing, which I get carried away with, and I just need to slow it down. I told my wife, I'm like, we're gonna change the diet, I gotta bring my calories down, because I'm getting just too heavy. I'm like 220 something now, like 223. I'm so torn about this intervention.

Starting point is 00:27:19 I've talked to Katrina many times about talking to you about your problem. You like big cell, don't you? Yeah, it's very good for the business. I talked to her, I'm like, you know, should I talk to Sal about his problem or should I just let it keep going? I was like, you know, there's a part of me that's like, he looks so good for the brand, I don't know if I want to do that. You know what I'm saying? It would probably serve him to stop working out a few days. It's not good, dude. Yeah, no, it's just not feeling good. That's what it is. I don't, I don't feel, I could tell. I could tell. I was telling

Starting point is 00:27:46 my wife and my wife's like maybe you should stop lifting weights. I was like no, that's not gonna happen. Let's try some other stuff. I mean okay so now I know you know this because you're such a self-aware person. So even you just saying that I know you got to know that that's where the success resides is going straight towards what you just said. Like, so are you even at a place where you're willing to test that? Yeah, I'm cut. So here's what I'm going to do. Kinda. No, yeah. Don't tell me what you're going to do. I don't want to hear your fucking, your, your, your Jerry rigged version of what you shouldn't be doing. Right.

Starting point is 00:28:22 Let me, uh, patch it this way and justify this is how I reduce my volume. How about you just take some time off? Miss some days. Don't do that. Why are you giving, you know, my wife listens to the podcast. You know what you're doing right now? I mean, she's right.

Starting point is 00:28:34 She's right. I mean, and I know, and you know what? I'm fit enough to carry, I'm fit enough to carry the brand for a little while, you know what I'm saying? So we can do this. We've always had this nice balance between the three of us. Like you probably need to get a little softer. I'm getting closer.

Starting point is 00:28:46 I'm getting closer to what I think I need to do. I mean, here's my personal suggestion is to just allow it when it's advantageous because there's many times where you stress yourself out about working out and it's like, bro, we're on a work thing or we're doing this, like just let it go that day. Like, why don't you just then? No, that's not the, you know what? Here's the deal. I could keep working out and it's like, bro, we're on a work thing or we're doing this, like just let it go that day. Like why don't you just then. No, that's not the, you know what, here's the deal.

Starting point is 00:29:08 I could keep working out, that's not the problem. I'm getting better about that. It's that if my gut health's good, I'll feed myself and I get carried away with the gains. I get carried away with the gains. I feel like it's all intertwined, bro. Of course it is. Yeah, I feel like it's all intertwined.

Starting point is 00:29:22 Of course it is. I mean, one of the, and I guess I didn't, I've talked about it. Because you and I have a lot in common with this stuff. We both were driven to this space the same way. And probably one of the best things, one of, if not the best thing I ever did during my journey, was the mobility thing. I know. It was a big, yet it was very, very,

Starting point is 00:29:44 and I didn't want to bring light to it because I didn't want to make a big deal about it to the show, on the show or to everybody else. Cause I was like staying locked in myself, but there was definitely an inner struggle there of letting go of the jacked bodybuilder, Adam guy and saying, I'm going to fully go all in on this mobility Gumby dude. And that and part of what that means is I might look a little wiry and I'm not going to get the compliments and I'm going to feel insecure. Like, and it took a while. I wish I remember exactly when it kind of switched over for me, but it's really helped that,

Starting point is 00:30:20 that process. But I had to go all in on that. I couldn't like,'t like. You gotta move your focus completely. Yeah, I couldn't dabble. I couldn't be like what you're saying right now. I'll just reduce a little bit of this because then it would just still. Yeah, it comes back. The most success I ever had was when I did Jiu Jitsu because that was all about Jiu Jitsu. It's just not plausible with schedule and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:30:39 You know, it's not a plausible area to be consistent. But I think talking about it might help. And it does help me connect with callers when they call in and they have body issues, body image issues or addicted exercise. Like I get it, I get it. I know how to struggle. I manage mine.

Starting point is 00:30:55 More than you know. I manage it on a regular basis. Sometimes better than others. Well probably the hardest thing, and I get it, and I love that you're willing to communicate it because one of the hardest things about an addiction and I get it, and I love that you're willing to communicate it because one of the hardest things about an addiction like this is that it serves you in so many ways. I mean it serves the business, it serves your intelligence

Starting point is 00:31:16 towards communication. Easy justification. Yeah, very, very, very easy to justify that and such a better addiction than so many other things but nonetheless that's my argument yeah I know my wife's like stop exercising you want me to do heroin yeah better but I mean but I do think that there's there's got to be times where you find it creates anxiety because you can't just let it go right like and there's some freedom in training that muscle, as for an analogy, of letting go, because there are moments where it's just like, hey, this is probably one of those times

Starting point is 00:31:54 you just skip the workout, bro. I think I'm getting there. My spiritual practice is helping, it really is, and talking about it's really helping. And also, I'm getting the age now where it's just, the negative signs are just getting louder. They're just getting louder. I haven't injured myself,

Starting point is 00:32:12 so it's not an injury thing, it's just comfort. I just, you know what I mean? It's just comfort. You know what it is, it's the workout. I love the workout, but that's like one hour out of my day, out of my life. The rest of the day is, I can feel. I can feel it's not good.

Starting point is 00:32:24 Well, I get the increase of calories. I mean, I've just literally over the past couple weeks have felt like my gut health is like, you know, somewhat sustainable. Makes such a difference. I was like, oh my God, I'm like hungry again. I'm just eating like a ton. But I just have found like finally a supplement

Starting point is 00:32:42 that's worked. And it's, I'm not, I don't wanna jinx it, but it's like so far, like the last two weeks. Cause you had stuff for a while. Oh, I was, dude, I was not, I was in a dark place. Don't be honest. I was waking up, throwing up, like I was up, like stuff was coming up my throat. Like I was not getting sleep, dude. Like just fighting it all the time.

Starting point is 00:33:04 It didn't matter even what kind of food it was. Like, so it used to be just like some of the, you know, the, the common offenders and gluten and stuff like that. But it was just like all across the board. Any food, if I got, you know, a little bit over in terms of like, you know, a surplus of calories, it was like, is there any connection Justin for you and anything like if, if all, if there's something that happens at home or work that causes like a headache for you,

Starting point is 00:33:32 stresses you out, does it trigger it or does it change it differently? Is it like, does it just exacerbate it or is it the cause of it? Like have you connected any of that stuff with that? When I'm in it, it definitely aggravates it. Yeah. So stress aggravates it.

Starting point is 00:33:48 But it's not necessarily the thing that makes it happen. You could be like, home life's amazing, work is cruising. And then all of a sudden you have this tummy shit happen. But if then something happens, it exacerbates it. Yeah, yeah. So it just makes it worse. But when I'm feeling good, like right now, it's like, it's it's a totally I don't know, man, it's it's it's a whole new world.

Starting point is 00:34:11 I had gut issues for so long. It's so like to absorb nutrients is like life life changing. It is it's just a better mood. You know, I was like, man, I was kind of like, crouching, you know, just like an asshole everybody like at home for a while. Yeah, okay good Just trying to hide it we a I was gonna tell you have you seen the UFO? Stuff that they're talking in Congress on showing all are you seeing all this stuff no But I did see live on Fox News they had like they're they're reporting and in the background like in the sky

Starting point is 00:34:40 There's all these weird Like flashes of light that were like leaving trails and then in and out and they're like what is this? Declassifying stuff like crazy right now and apparently have you seen the squid videos? Oh yeah the little it almost looks like a drone but it's a squid and it's like it goes it becomes invisible then it becomes visible and they catch it on like infrared camera these are like visible, and they catch it on infrared camera. These are like military videos.

Starting point is 00:35:07 And they're like, we don't know what this is. Bro, it's not a squid, they call them squid, but it looks like some kind of a flying vehicle with like, they look like tentacles hanging down. And it's flying through. Doug, you could pull up squid UFO video. Bro, it's weird. All this stuff coming out is hella weird.

Starting point is 00:35:23 Like what are they gonna drop soon? I mean, I just feel like we're in for like some weird times. Something. Like why are they declassifying all this stuff right now? You know? Yeah. And yeah, I don't know. I wanna see this.

Starting point is 00:35:38 I had this, you guys just reminded me of something I wanted to ask Justin, cause Justin's like the random animal fact person. Yeah, I got something. Water buffalo water buffalo. Uh, you know, water buffalo. Are you a water buffalo guy? I saw, you know, water buffalo. No more about hippos. I think one of the most dangerous animals. You know, they actually like swim underwater underwater, like, uh, like an alligator. Is that why they're called water buffalo? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:01 Did you know that? No. And that you got a fact check this? Cause I couldn't believe it when I saw it I was like no fucking way. I saw first of all I saw the video of them swimming but then I heard the fact on it they can swim up to 30 miles per hour underwater. Oh that's terrifying. 30 miles an hour? Well that is fascinating. That's a big animal. Yeah. Yes. So you gotta look that up. That's gnarly. Because I saw that and I went oh I gotta tell just Justin. Wow. I have to see that video. Can you register Hort? Look at that. Look at that. That's the wow. That's a terrifying. I have to see that video. You can register Horton? Look at that, look at that. Oh my god. That's the squid.

Starting point is 00:36:27 What? It's caught on infrared camera. What? That's at a US military base. Yeah, you can't even see it. What the fuck? It reappears. And that was declassified.

Starting point is 00:36:36 What in the world? That looks like right out of a movie. Well, that looks out of Star Wars for sure. Yeah, what is that? That looks like those things that, what are those called on Star Wars? Those drone looking things. Yeah, the drones, yeah, they're like, that start what are those call on Star Wars those drone looking things? Yeah, there's drones

Starting point is 00:36:45 Yeah, they're like That was in 2018 and there's multiple videos of different Empire Strikes Back. Yeah, dude What is happening right now? That is what and they're reporting on it They're reporting on it. So I don't know Okay, water Buffalo 30 miles per hour. Let's see. That's run. No run. They can't swim that fast then That's what I thought too if they can run 30 miles an hour. There's no way they can swim. There's no way right? There's no way I mean I've I think I remember that moose They can actually walk on the bottom of like lakes and stuff like they they go they submerge all the way down

Starting point is 00:37:20 Yeah, I actually saw the video of it underwater like completely submerged I didn't even know what it was I actually thought it was like a turtle, and then as it started to get closer to the top, you could see the horns, and I went, oh shit, it's a water buffalo, that's crazy. That's funny you bring this up, because I was just last night before bed

Starting point is 00:37:36 talking to my four-year-old, can't believe it's four now, but anyway, we're talking about predators and prey, and the difference between the way that that they look and so I explained the eyes. Yeah and like the defense mechanisms and all that stuff and yeah he's like super, so super into it. I do have a little bit of an update. I told you guys about like this roaming mountain lion. Oh yeah. In our neighborhood and it was gone. And actually we reported it and then like the wildlife, I don't know, people were like, you tagged them. I don't know what their official title is. And so they were actually like stoked because they lost contact with that specific animal and they

Starting point is 00:38:22 wanted to see if they could like see all the trends with it. But what's interesting is a lot of animals in our area now, they seem like they're coming through the neighborhoods and they're looking for food now that it's getting cold. I don't know if they're hungrier or what, but the story is these two teachers, so I lived near this high school and they were walking back to their cars and these kids were like, hey, hey, there's a mountain lion behind you. The teachers are like, ah, stop messing with us and they made their way back to their car. Meanwhile, the next day they saw the reports

Starting point is 00:39:06 of the mountain lion that was in the area and all that put two and two together with the same day. It was like yards away from them. And yeah, and it's been roaming around the campus of school. So now the school has to like, it's been like, they think that it's actually had this, cause there's actually had this, cause there's a, um, uh, there's actually like the storm drain there that, um, okay, this is, this is where it's like, I'm like, oh my God, smack my face. Uh, Everett goes down there with his buddies

Starting point is 00:39:36 and they make a little fort out of this storm drain. That's where it lives. They think it probably went there. So he was there yesterday, like, you know, yeah, like I'm like cool You guys have you know fun activity and you're like putting sticks and like making a fort out of it Meanwhile, we find out later like it was probably where it was resting in a den Inside the storm drain and so they're trying to figure out, you know how to like sort of create safety on campus because it's like still kind of out there roaming around but we looked at the Sounds that a mountain lion makes cuz I'm like, okay a mountain lion. I saw it in person

Starting point is 00:40:18 I'm like it's it's a little intimidating, but it's not like scary or nothing It's like ooh, that's a majestic cat or whatever and then I listen to the sounds it makes Doug did I send that to you? Yeah, so Yeah, it's a lion dude it like it's a lion Yeah, like imagine imagine that's like right behind you like Because we heard it too in our backyard like through the trees we heard some big big rustling and then started to hear like everybody inside oh no you know kill you for sure yeah yeah yeah you're gonna do anything how

Starting point is 00:40:58 heavy are they 90 pounds 120 well way more than 90 pounds are they pro and a mountain lion is heavier than 90 pounds, dog. It depends, yeah. I thought they were like 120 pounds or something like that. I don't think they're that big. No, no, no, no. Bro, a cat that's 120 pounds is like a, it's still, it's pure muscle.

Starting point is 00:41:16 160, bro. 120 to 160. There you go, female 75 to 110. Bro, 90 and 160, just so you know, is almost double, OK? That's a big difference. I know, I know. I said 120 at one point, though. It'll maul you easy, dude. Even 120, though, is almost double, okay? That's a big difference. I know, I know, I said 120 at one point though. Yeah, it'll model you easy.

Starting point is 00:41:27 Even 120, the females are 110, right? I know some people are like, oh I have a dog that's 150 pounds. 150 pound cougar, it's not the same, bro. They are fast, have you ever seen them jump? Yeah. It's not the same at all. Super athletic in fast twitching.

Starting point is 00:41:43 That's weird that that's in our backyard. Yeah, it's weird on the news right now. You've been seeing all bunch of them all over the place Arnold Where was another one? I seen a family of them have been going they've been all over the news It's pretty rare that they attack somebody though. I think they're they're hungry. They're trying to get resources for winter You know, yeah, they know we get people's like sheep and cattle and stuff like that. That's normally what they do there was also another weird spotting which was It was a like had this weird tail was related to a raccoon, but it was I didn't even know these existed in California But fuck I don't remember the name of it the type of a cat. It was like yeah almost looked like a marsupial But it's related to I don't know't know, I'll find the name later.

Starting point is 00:42:26 Yeah, no idea, no idea. Speaking of my kid, I was telling him the stories and then we're talking about predators and he has this, we have this toy that's like a T-Rex toy, so it's got a handle that I can make him open and close his mouth and it's like a long, it's like one of those grabber toys. And so I'll tell him stories with it,

Starting point is 00:42:42 and while I'm telling him stories and we're laughing, I'll pretend like I'm trying to bite his foot or something, he'll laugh or whatever, and I'm like, I'm gonna eat your toe. And my kid's, and my son's like, you can't eat my toe, I'll die. You'll die, if any part of me is removed, I'll die. And I'm like, well, what about your finger?

Starting point is 00:42:56 And I'm making a, and he goes, don't you know it's the golden rule? I'm like, what? It's the golden rule. Don't eat a piece of someone, it's the golden rule. I think you missed that, bro. I was just gonna, it's so funny you bring this up because I was gonna ask you,

Starting point is 00:43:10 because this has been happening a lot with Max and I know that your son's just behind him. I'm like, this just, every day, I gotta get better, a commitment to the audience of like, when it happens of like, writing it down. Because he says stuff that's like, I came, I put him to bed yesterday night and I come back and I'm laughing. Katrina's like, what are you laughing about? I'm like,

Starting point is 00:43:30 he just hit me with a pinky promise. I've never, I didn't teach him that. I've never heard him say that before. And I was, I was putting him down for bed and I was just like, uh, he's like, daddy, I want to, I want to, I want to sleep with you. I said, no, no, no, bro. You don't sleep with me. It's like you, you sleep in your your bed. You're you're a big boy now. You're five years old You stay in your bed. So that he's like, yeah, but come on daddy. Come on. It's the weekend this now I said no, no, no, I said you need to sleep in your bed. I said tell you what Tomorrow's mommy's birthday. I said you come in early in the morning and you can climb in and then we'll wish her happy birthday

Starting point is 00:44:01 He's like, okay before she wakes up. I said, yeah, before she wakes up, that's fine, but it's in the morning, not tonight, right? So I'm telling him that. He goes, okay, okay, you promise? I said, yeah, he goes, Pinky promise? I'm like, how do you know what that is? Yeah, I'm like, yeah? I'm like, where did that come from?

Starting point is 00:44:15 Is this like on a movie or? Yeah, I guess Katrina said they say it to him at school. They tell him that, there's another one that he does that it's so cute. They teach him that, like, you fill my bucket, means like you fill my heart. They have like a bucket there and it's like something to do with like, you know, like love and all this stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:44:31 And so that's him saying that like, you fill my heart is like you fill my bucket. And so he'll say that like, oh mommy, you fill my bucket. You know, yeah. Jessica does, cause we homeschool, right? So she teaches lessons and so she'll teach him things and he'll use them sometimes incorrectly, but oftentimes correctly.

Starting point is 00:44:47 Like, I don't remember what happened, and oh, we were wrestling. And every time he thinks a jump on me, right? And that kid, I swear, dude, he'll try and hit, like throw a knee at me or something. So I'm always like, listen, you can wrestle me, but don't hit me. Yeah, and he'll like throw things in, right?

Starting point is 00:45:01 So when he does that, I'll hold him down, I'll tickle him. Like I'll tickle him, and he laughs. But then he's like, don't tickle me. But he's laughing, so I'm still doing it. And he gets up and he, right? So when he does that, I'll hold him down, I'll tickle him. Like I'll tickle him, and he laughs, but then he's like, don't tickle me, but he's laughing so I'm still doing it. And he gets up and he's mad, he's like, I'm not playing with you ever again because you tickled me. I'm like, hey listen, I'm sorry buddy,

Starting point is 00:45:13 I won't tickle you, and he was like, all right, I'll give you grace. I'm like, what? Okay. What's grace? It's forgiving someone when they don't deserve it. I'm like, oh cool. All right.

Starting point is 00:45:23 He tells us everything. I'm like, oh cool. Retail. All right. All right. Anyway, hey, so I got, I want to tell you guys, it's remind me of a story. So this morning we had a meeting about our sponsorships that we're supposed to mention today. One of them is Viori and Viori does not have a black Friday sale. But you know what it reminded me of? So, and now I get this, like super high quality brands. Yeah, some brands are like this. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:50 Viori is, they're at that status, dude. They're at that status where they're super high quality, very, very desirable. They went, I mean, I remember when we first started working with them to now, they are now, I mean, what's their valuation now? It's like billions. Four or six billions.

Starting point is 00:46:04 It's crazy. I think it's six billion. Four or six billions. It's crazy. Six billion, I think it was four before they went up another two. Now we have a discount code. You can get 20% off with us, which is the biggest code you'll get anywhere. Nobody will give you 20% off, which we got with them early on.

Starting point is 00:46:15 Which is why they allow us to do that. But it reminded me of a story, like years ago when I was, my first marriage, I went to Tiffany's to buy the engagement ring and I was a young kid and I remember going in there thinking I would wheel and deal at Tiffany's and I told the person, literally my exact words were this. I said, literally exactly what I said, how embarrassing.

Starting point is 00:46:37 I said, I'll take that one, but I'll take that price out the door. It's like, out the door, yeah, yeah. That sticker price, out the door, no taxes. No taxes. She's like, I'm sorry sir, this is Tiffany's. No processing fees. Yeah, we don't do anything like that.

Starting point is 00:46:50 I'm like, all right. And I got up to walk out expecting him to stop me and they didn't, so I just walked out. And I remember I sat in the parking lot for like 40 minutes, like, I heard her back in there, hella embarrassed. You go buy this for me. All right, I'll take it.

Starting point is 00:47:02 Yeah, fine. I told my friend. I thought about it. I told my friend, she knows jewelry and she's like, you tried to do what at Tiffany's? She's like, you're stupid, go back in there. Oh man, I gotta go back in there. I mean, there's something to be said about that as a friend when you've built that type of a reputation.

Starting point is 00:47:16 That's right. When you have that kind of a reputation that you don't need to do sales, you don't need to do discount. There is such a high demand, Viori, they did such a great job for themselves. Yeah. Such a great job. Since day one, dude. Yeah a great job since day one. Yeah. Yeah, super true super true. Anyway. Oh the other thing I was gonna tell you too is Have you used well your son's a little older now, but when he was younger did you ever use puppets to communicate to him?

Starting point is 00:47:37 Yeah, I built it. Have you ever seen my Homemade stage put puppet stage. No. Yeah, you can get online. This is, if your son's into this right now, this is, he'll die if you do this. It's awesome. Literally, you can make a really cool puppet stage out of a cardboard box. I found it, I found this on the internet. It's like, I'll look for it because I know I've got it somewhere. And I made it out of, all I needed was a cardboard box, some clothes pins, and some yarn.

Starting point is 00:48:06 And you make a, with a curtain, with the whole. Oh, that's great. Yeah, yeah. I spray painted the whole thing, put his name on it. You don't remember this? No. Yeah, yeah. The only doubtful of it, I mean, I

Starting point is 00:48:15 didn't invest a lot of money, just a lot of time, the day I built it. But we only did it a few times, and then he was kind of over it. Oh, there it is. Do It Yourself Shadow Puppet Theater, kind of like that one, but. Yeah so my so much my daughter that loves it my two-year-old loves it and will do anything if the puppet says it. Now if we say it she won't do it but if we're like clean your

Starting point is 00:48:35 out you know go pick up your toys. She's like ah she'll do everything. Mr. Rogers nailed that. And she's like annoying with it because all she wants is the puppet. Puppet mama, puppet mama, whatever. So Jessica was doing the puppet with them and the kids were all over her. It was one of those days where they just want mom. They just want mom. There's nothing I could do. I'm trying to take them. No, I just want mama. So she's getting overwhelmed. They're jumping on her. My two-year-old's all over her. She's using the puppets. My wife is talking through the puppet and starts to yell

Starting point is 00:49:02 at the kids through the puppet. I can't! I'm overwhelmed right now. I'm in the background. Using the puppet to yell at the kids. Go hang out with your father. It was so funny. Oh shit. Did you guys see the critique of, I gotta bring this up. Oh I'm so glad you brought the RFK one. I wanted to hear what the critique is. So stupid.

Starting point is 00:49:20 Are you talking about the McDonald's thing? No dude. This is how dumb, this is why people don't trust the media. This is an example of why. So he, this is in the New York Times, okay? And it's so funny, in their article, they make themselves look stupid. They literally make themselves look dumb and give credence to RFK.

Starting point is 00:49:37 Here's what it says, this is the New York Times, ready? Mr. Kennedy has singled out Froot Loops as an example of a product with too many artificial ingredients. Questioning why the Canadian version has fewer than the US version, but he was wrong. The ingredient list is roughly the same, although Canada's has natural colorings made from blueberries and carrots, while the US product contains red dye 50, yellow dye 5, and blue one, as well as butylated hydroroxy Tweet, BHT, lab-made chemical that is used for freshness.

Starting point is 00:50:06 Of course, are they, do they not read their own shit? How stupid are you? They just wanna be out with something. You know what, I think it's because maybe people are gonna read just the first sentence and not realize the rest or whatever. It's like misinformation. Total misinformation.

Starting point is 00:50:20 Roughly the same. Yeah, by the way, I'm excited about him. He's like the first politician that understands health Yeah, or even at least cares he understands it better than any of the politicians officially who's been signed in Rfk no one. Yeah, this is just appointed yeah appointed. Oh, yeah, he's appointed RFK officially appointed RFK officially appointed Tulsi Gabbard Yeah, right. Yeah officially of back. Did he officially appoint Vivek? No, well Vivek and Elon are running Doge, the department of, what is it, government efficiency?

Starting point is 00:50:50 Has that been officially? That's what they announced. And then what is Ron Paul supposed to do? I don't know, nothing yet. I don't know if they've actually appointed him yet, but they've alluded to him helping with Doge. Did you see, what was her name, Senator Warren? Where she tried to make fun of the Doge.

Starting point is 00:51:10 She got hurt, she's so stupid. She's like, off to a good start with government efficiency appointing two people for the price of one, and then Elon retweeted and goes, we're actually doing this for free. So it's actually really efficient. So it's very cost effective. Yeah. Wow.

Starting point is 00:51:26 Wow. She tried to make a point to make herself look dumb. Yeah, that looks bad. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh dude. Hey, shout out huh? Oh Chokey. Yeah, yeah did you see.

Starting point is 00:51:36 Chokey on our team. She got our favorite Chokey. We got a clip of her doing Jiu Jitsu and kicking ass. I wanna see the clip, can you post the clip up? This was a blue belt competition. Yeah, it was. But you see that? You see the takedown? Our staff is pretty badass when you think about it. I know. We get some... It's great.

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Starting point is 00:52:36 Go to plunge.com to get that discount. All right, here comes the show. All right, our first caller is Allison from Texas. Hi Allison. Hi, Allison. Hey, it's great to be here. I never thought I've always been a long time listener and I've never thought before that I'd actually get my question answered by you guys. So it's great to be here and thanks so much.

Starting point is 00:53:00 You got it. How can we help you? Okay. I'm going to just jump into my question. You can probably see I'm in a storage class closet right now. I'm a teacher, so I'm in between classes. So I'll try to make this efficient. Okay. So the title of my question is, should I ditch my trainer? I am a self-described fitness fanatic. Ever since losing 100 plus pounds in high school,

Starting point is 00:53:28 fitness has always been a big part of my life. In my mid-20s, I discovered a passion for lifting. After a trainer at a Gold's gym said, I would never get the physique I wanted by doing hours of cardio. Since then, I've competed at powerlifting meets, done CrossFit, and now in my late 30s post-COVID, I hired a trainer and currently work out at a gym that follows the conjugate

Starting point is 00:53:52 practical training method. For two years, I've been training six days a week, one heavy lower conditioning day, one heavy upper, a recovery cardio day, one dynamic lower and one dynamic upper. On top of this, I get 10 to 12,000 steps a day. For the first year, I hit some lifetime PRs. I hit a 250 pound squat, a 315 pound deadlift, a 145 pound bench, and for reference, I'm a five foot two female and I hover around 130 pounds. Wow.

Starting point is 00:54:29 You are strong. I also eat around 1900 to 2300 calories a day. Yet recently I'm having a lot of trouble recovering. No energy, my period has been MIA, my thyroid has tanked and I have very low iron and I'm having trouble leaning out and I've lost a lot of strength in the gym and most importantly my motivation for lifting has started to wane. After listening to y'all from NUMTS and working through a NASM PT certification, I began to think that maybe I'm severely over-training. I've since scaled down training

Starting point is 00:55:05 to four times a week, just lifting. If I'm over-trained, I'm pissed that my trainer hasn't flagged this. I've mentioned my symptoms to him multiple times. I'm conflicted whether I should dump him and find a new gym, because I have hit some amazing PRs, but physically I just feel like shit.

Starting point is 00:55:26 And I also work some other side questions. Are women more prone to over-training than men? And what are your thoughts on the conjugate tactical training method? So a lot there. What great questions. First of all, you are very strong. Very strong.

Starting point is 00:55:41 When you say you've hit some PRs, those are not recent, right? That was before when you felt good? This was probably about a year and a half ago. Okay. So yes. Okay, now in this trainer, sounds like they're more of a power lifting trainer than,

Starting point is 00:55:59 let's say your average fitness trainer. Correct, yeah. Okay, so they're applying their knowledge, which is power lifting and power lifting style training. And, you know, conjugate's a great method. It is high volume. And, you know, the attitude around, you know, this style of training, they typically don't,

Starting point is 00:56:24 it's like work through, over training, work through, it's very performance based. That being said, if your performance is declining, then you do need to look at your programming and see what's going on. Now sometimes what happens with this type of trainer is when this starts to happen, they start to look at other places.

Starting point is 00:56:43 Well, what are your supplements? What's your diet? What's your, and they tend start to look at other places well what are your supplements what's your diet what's your yeah and they tend to not look happened yes right right so they tend to not look at the at the programming because they get so ingrained and no this is the method this is what works well and it is a good method it is good programming is can't live in it though yeah and it's very hard to live in especially if you have a normal life and especially once you start reaching the numbers she's reaching.

Starting point is 00:57:06 That's right. I mean, you have built a super fast car and you're running on the red line and taking corners and you have been for the last year and now the tires are wearing down, you're starting to feel all this stuff and you need to take care of it. You need to switch the training to address all that.

Starting point is 00:57:24 And so I don't think it's necessarily something like your trainer did bad or not good. It's just that you've now reached a point reaping a lot of, if not most of the benefits you're going to get from that style of training and your body's telling you it's time for us to do something that's more functional. More restorative. Yeah, more restorative, more mobility focused and moving in that direction for at least a period of time. Totally, now are you supplementing with the iron?

Starting point is 00:57:47 Have you looked at your thyroid and started working on that? Tell me about those things. Yeah, I actually ended up getting iron infusions because my iron was so low that I had to go get that done. And I'm also on different thyroid medications as well to bring that up. Okay. Um, so I, I am in treatment, but symptomatically I just still feel so

Starting point is 00:58:13 fatigued. Yeah. And then is your, um, uh, is your period more regular now yet, or is that still irregular? No, it's still like, just, you know, part of me is like, Oh, am I in perimenopause or is it my training that's causing it? So I'm not sure it's still, it's still, you know, of me is like oh am I in perimenopause or is it my training that's causing it? So I'm not sure it's still it's still you know irregular Yeah, so okay, so I would say a whole week off and then moving not just that like yeah

Starting point is 00:58:33 I mean here's the other thing to consider even people who train Like power lifters for a long long time they start to run into problems like joint issues dysfunction Because it's so performance focused and there's nothing wrong with being focused on performance until you need to change. You need to change direction. So I know lots of powerlifters, very very smart, very very knowledgeable, and they have all these issues, these nagging issues because they just always stay in that space. So what you need to do is definitely take some time off. I would take a week off.

Starting point is 00:59:08 And then I'd get into unilateral training. I'd work on mobility. And I would do that for a while. Performance and symmetry. Performance and symmetry are the programs you need to follow. And either one is fine to go, like I don't have a dog in this fight.

Starting point is 00:59:21 I think symmetry because you probably do such bilateral first. Okay, so symmetry first and then move over to performance. That's the next six months for you. Yeah, and if you did work with another trainer, the kind of trainer I would look for would be one that is more functional, mobility kind of focus. If you are the type of person who does that and you like investing in trainers to help guide your journey, that would be an awesome idea.

Starting point is 00:59:44 It's actually go find the mobility guru guy, you know, the guy with the long hair and he's wearing barefoot shoes. Go find that guy and have him teach me your ways for a while because it would do you really good. It'll be very different from what you're used to. And it's not saying that that is necessarily better. It's better for you at this current state that you're in. You have re, let me tell you, you kicked ass training this way and it's- and I also wanted-

Starting point is 01:00:08 You summited. I don't want to shit on this trainer at all because they've done a really good job getting you here like as far as performance is like. But this is what makes a complete trainer is the ability to teach someone like you this and then when these start- issues start coming up, oh I know where we need to go. we now need to pivot in this direction. And just to defend your trainer a little bit, if you went with a really good general trainer, they wouldn't be able to train you as well as this trainer

Starting point is 01:00:32 did with powerlifting. It sounds like this trainer is very well versed with powerlifting programming, which is great until it's no longer great for you. Until you get so strong. Yeah, and you start to develop some issues, you know And that's just true for all Specialized trainers, so I definitely think it would be a good idea to play some focus on functional mobility style training

Starting point is 01:00:56 And and kind of fall in love with that for a little while. It's gonna feel very different You're not gonna be hitting these PRS and stuff like that, but you'll start to feel better for sure Yeah, yes, it's hard to hear because I just love ripping a bar off the ground. You know what I mean? And I just love sort of that grind. So like part of me is like disappointed to hear this, but the older part of me knows that if I wanna be in this

Starting point is 01:01:20 for the longterm, I do need to make a shift. That's right. And I guess that's why I wrote this question knowing in that I'm probably gonna get advice like this, but it's just like, oh no, it's like addictive. It's hard to sort of give up that. You're preaching to the player. Yeah, if you look at this, you've been training for a sport,

Starting point is 01:01:37 which in a sense you have, and you've reached this pinnacle of your abilities in terms of this sport of just lifting the most. And now you gotta go through that period off season. You really gotta rebuild the body up to reinforce everything and allow it to recover. When it comes to strength, we've said this before, that is the best objective metric.

Starting point is 01:01:59 However, at some point you start to get diminishing returns. So if I got you to deadlift 345 pounds, you had 30 pounds for your deadlift, the results you would get from that would not be the same like you did when you got from 145 to 200 or something like that. So at some point you start to get diminishing returns, injury and over training and stuff like that

Starting point is 01:02:23 starts to become more of an issue. Now, first, when you get started, just get strong. But you got so strong, I don't know if you're gonna get tons of benefit from adding 20 or 30 pounds to your lifts. I don't think you're gonna notice that much of a difference in terms of progress. But I do know if you start to focus on mobility, function, unilateral training, balance, that kind of stuff, exercises you're not,

Starting point is 01:02:47 you know, maybe familiar with, that you'll see a lot of benefit. You'll get those newbie gains again. Yeah, part of me is like, oh my God, like that's some Pilates shit, but you know, I know you got some right eye cuts. No, no, too far. Yeah, too far, too far, not that far.

Starting point is 01:03:00 No, no, no, not Pilates. Just go find the hippie in the barefoot shoes, and then go hire him for like three months, you'll be all right, if you don, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you need longer than just one cycle of this? For sure. I would go that and then into performance and then you could probably revisit some more of this. You've been working out for a while. You probably on your own have good exercise technique and understanding of what you're doing. So you could probably just do it on your own.

Starting point is 01:03:36 I mean, always working with the trainers is always better, but you're probably fine on your own with your experience. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, you know, I feel conflicted, but I am going to follow through because just change sometimes is good, you know, and then in it for the long, the long haul. And I really appreciate y'all's feedback on my questions. Alison, I would love to hear back from you. I'd love to hear back from you as you

Starting point is 01:04:03 go through this. I think you'll be happy. I know, I know initially it's, it's hard to kind of swallow that pill, but I from you totally. Yeah, I'd love to hear back from you as you go through this Yeah, your body feels I think you'll be happy I know I know initially it's it's hard to kind of swallow that pill But I think you knew deep down that was the way you needed to go anyways Just probably need to hear it again from us and it's going to serve you and you'll you'll be able to go back to heavy Lifting again at one point but really what you what you're learning right now is you're gonna learn the formula of like, okay That's how I do this because you can spend most of your time Lifting heavy like you like to but you'll you'll need learn the formula of like, okay, this is how I do this. Because you can spend most of your time lifting heavy like you like to, but you'll need to learn how to interrupt.

Starting point is 01:04:28 You have to, we gotta undulate it. Yeah, and interrupt it with this. Especially if you wanna do this for the rest of your life. Yeah, yeah. And I do, like I will take your advice and find the patchouli sort of barefoot like. I love it. It might be a little bit hard to find in Houston, Texas.

Starting point is 01:04:45 I just gotta say that. What do you teach, by the way? I like in California. Yeah, I thought maybe you were closer to Austin. I don't know where you're at. What do you teach? Wearing hemp clothes right now. What do you teach?

Starting point is 01:04:55 I actually, again, I teach Latin and ancient Greek. Oh, cool. I just like that we have a jacked teacher. That's great. Yeah, my football boys love me. I feel like I get respect for that oh I bet you do I bet you do awesome that's awesome a lot of a lot of the bros take Latin at my school yeah so keep in touch let us know in about 30 days or so how's it going okay I definitely will thank you so much I appreciate y'all's time. I gotta go run off to class

Starting point is 01:05:25 All right, bye You know, what's cool about that is we don't often get to give Well, we don't get to often give that advice and she's preaching to the choir like all of us in this room Yeah have struggle with this like I think how long it was like two years ago. I was able to pull 605 Which was a PR for me and I was super happy about it or whatever. Did I get all these crazy benefits from it? No, it's like at some point, you're not gonna get any diminishing returns,

Starting point is 01:05:52 and if I keep pushing that, all I'm gonna do is ask, I'm just asking for trouble. The benefit was coming out and being able to say that. That's it. That's all the benefit right there. I get to mention it on a podcast every once in a while. So no, at some point getting stronger isn't the goal. It's just not.

Starting point is 01:06:06 In the beginning it for sure is, but after a while, there's a lot of, especially if you want to do this forever. Yeah, I'm glad we also took the position because I didn't want to turn this into like hammering this trainer. This trainer did a very good job. I think they're a good power lifting trainer. Yes, the trainer did a-

Starting point is 01:06:20 Conjugate method's legit. Yeah, and getting her to lift that much? Yeah, let me tell you, that would be the absolute worst thing is to talk shit about a trainer who got a chick to be deadlifting 350 pounds, 15 pounds and squatting to 50. You can't get, you can't do that with shitty programming and not knowing what you're doing. No powerlifting. Yes. For sure. But what, you know, where she's at now, she's just,

Starting point is 01:06:40 it's she just needs to move into that other direction for a little while. And then we can come back over there. But this is so common in the powerlifting world, to your point, like how many friends do we have that are brilliant, really smart, great at powerlifting, but then because they've fallen so in love with that style of training, they need to collect the things their body needs.

Starting point is 01:06:58 They end up getting all the knee, elbow sleeves. Well, look at our friend, look at our friend, Len, how many, Lane, how many back problems, somebody did a tweet saying, you know, he hit a, he get a new, he won a new competition, he hit a new record, which is great. And someone's like, is it worth the three herniated disc? And he's like, definitely.

Starting point is 01:07:15 No, it's not, no it isn't, bro, it's not worth it. For him it is. In his defense, he's definitely changed his tune though. You see he's doing a lot of mobility stuff now, he's really strong. And I mean, and I actually attribute that win and that PR for him because he has The therapy work because he's at least starting to introduce it more. So but yeah, I know some of our best smartest friends Yeah, and I get it because I could fall into that. We all have our next caller is Travis from South Carolina

Starting point is 01:07:40 What's up, man? You're doing Travis. How's it going? Great, how are you guys? We're doing good, dude. How's up, man? How you doing Travis? How's it going? Great. How are you guys? We're doing good, dude. How can we help you? Yeah. Well, first off, thank you all so much. I mean, been listening to you all for about three years now, um, work for state and Liberty, which you all work with. And so, yeah, I mean, once, yeah yeah once they connected you guys that's actually how I got on to listening so awesome that's great we were all just

Starting point is 01:08:11 wondering why you look so good yeah sharp guy oh yeah Liberty man shout out to state and liberty wearing their t-shirt how can we help you dude yeah so my question is so a little bit about me, I'm 30 years old, been active my whole life with sports, soccer, tennis, and college. I have always been pretty skinny. While I was in college, I started hitting the gym with friends to gain muscle. I was lifting about three to five days a week and not seeing much improvement. And that lasted over three years. Moving forward to now, I'm married. I work about 40 hours a week as a manager.

Starting point is 01:08:52 And then wanting to build muscle again, but then I also walk about seven to 10 miles a day with the position. My wife also wants me to lift with her in the morning but when I tried lifting heavy on exercises such as squats, deadlifts, and hip thrust I get lightheaded or pass out. This doesn't happen if I lift in the evening though. Wondering what your thoughts are on that. Okay so two reasons why this can happen. One is either blood sugar or two is blood pressure.

Starting point is 01:09:26 Have you had either one of those tested? Not really. Okay. I would test both. So here's the deal, if it's blood sugar, then consuming some food 30 minutes to an hour before. Closer. Yeah, before, because I'm assuming you're lifting

Starting point is 01:09:42 fasted in the morning? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so it's probably blood sugar if this doesn't happen to you in the evening. So I would eat something about 30 to 40 minutes before, maybe an hour before. Liquid shake would be great, right? Yeah, like protein and carbs.

Starting point is 01:09:56 You want to have both, protein and carbs, and that should help. If it's blood pressure, because sometimes what can happen with an exercise, especially a heavy one, is when you are straining, you cause a temporary rise in blood pressure, and some people get this rebound low blood pressure right afterwards.

Starting point is 01:10:14 Yeah, so they'll do a deadlift, and then they'll put the weight down, and all of a sudden they'll get lightheaded. And so if that's the case, when you put the weight down, keep your muscles tense. But don't just relax your muscles. Keep everything tense. That'll keep your blood pressure higher

Starting point is 01:10:31 and then slowly release them and that should take care of it. Especially in your legs, yeah. But one thing you could do with the blood sugar one is you could get a real inexpensive blood sugar test kit at your local pharmacy or whatever and just when you're working out, test it and see where blood sugar's at But it sounds like that because in the evening it doesn't happen, so you just literally eat an hour before you're probably gonna be okay Okay

Starting point is 01:10:56 That's it. That's it my friend What about I'm curious like the programming and stuff like that because maybe you think like what are you following right now program wise? Are you following any of massAPS programs right now? Yeah I have anabolic and I have MAPS 15. Okay good you have MAPS 15 already. Just cuz your hours and how busy you are if you start to feel like the volume is too much and anabolic MAPS 15 may be a great program for you to toggle back and forth with the fact you have that already. Generally speaking how was your diet generally speaking? Are you keto, low carb?

Starting point is 01:11:27 Not really. Okay, good. I just eat about three meals a day, little bit of snacking here and there, but not really counting carbs or calories or anything like that right now. Could definitely get in more into that. You know, I used to have this like-

Starting point is 01:11:43 Just track the protein for right now. Yeah, I used to have clients like this where when the protein for right now. Yeah, I used to have clients like this where when I train them in the morning, they'd get dizzy. And the go-to meal that used to work really well, and I think there's no science behind this, it's just convenience, was a banana and peanut butter. Because it was easy, because the problem with them

Starting point is 01:12:01 is like, oh, I gotta eat an hour before, that means you gotta wake up at whatever early. So what they would do is they'd say you know what have a banana with some peanut butter on the way here and that's that fixed it it almost always fixed oatmeal or shake was my go to for those people I can be like this I can actually get light-headed so that that's why I don't like lifting fasted I'm not a fan I'm not a fan I've been I've been light-headed from it before mmm and just having a quick liquid

Starting point is 01:12:23 shake 30 minutes before or even like, you know, you know, creatures of habits, oatmeal, because that's real easy to just pour some hot water on it and I can shuttle that in really quick. Those things make a big difference. But I tell you what, Travis, as far as results go, if you want to see an increase in your results, probably the single best thing that you can do aside from the stuff that we've communicated right now is just track protein, bro if you're because if you're only eating three meals a day there's a good chance that you're not eating enough protein on a regular basis and that is gonna be all the difference in

Starting point is 01:12:55 you seeing more results is because you're doing a good job if you're following one of the math programs you got the best ones I would have recommended anyways to you the next best thing that you could potentially do is make sure you consistently hit that protein take and don't worry everything else. Not really worried about yet. Just focus on that and it'll make a difference. Travis, can we send you a free program? Yeah, I would love to.

Starting point is 01:13:15 You want any of them in particular you're interested in? Uh, I mean I've been, so I have a friend that's I've been working out with him in the evenings. Um, now he does more of a Five days a week on hitting certain target groups split you know, I know I like is more who are three days a week, but Yeah, I'll send you map split. This is a bodybuilder split program Awesome. Thank you so much. You got it, my friend.

Starting point is 01:13:45 Thanks for calling in, brother. No, thank you guys. Keep doing it. I mean, I love listening to you guys, especially. I live down here in Charleston, and I mean, it's a long commute in some days. So I love hearing you guys and just chatting about family and definitely around the corner to having a kid myself.

Starting point is 01:14:04 So I love hearing it. Good for you, man. God bless. Congratulations. Appreciate the support, Justin. about family and definitely around the corner to having a kid myself. So good for you, man. God bless. Congratulations. Appreciate the support. Dr. All right. So you get lightheaded, huh? Yeah. Is it worse? Not always. It's just it's happened. Is it worse when you're on your period or is it this guy? I had a quick shake or oatmeal. It's been like, no, it's, it's, it's blood sugar. If he, if he was like this in the evening as well, then it would, I would have thought it would have been blood. I do hope though, he, he, uh,

Starting point is 01:14:33 he takes heed to the advice because if you don't track protein, uh, even the best programming in the world, it's hard to make really good progress. Like you, that is the key ingredient to making sure that the work that you do in the gym, you see the results from that. And I can't stress enough how many clients that I've had to fix that.

Starting point is 01:14:54 And that's almost always an issue for people that- Especially just three meals. Yes, and that was why it was a for sure giveaway. It's hard to cram it in. It's like, I mean, are you eating, you know, 50- Unless he's 150 pounds. Yeah, are you eating, you know, 50 unless he's 150 pounds. Yeah. Are you eating 50, 60 pounds or 60 gram meals?

Starting point is 01:15:08 Most likely not. No, no. Most of the not our next callers, Melody from Illinois. Hi, Melody. Hi, Melody. How can we help you? Hey guys, this is very surreal. So thank you honestly, feeling very honored for having the time to chat with you guys today.

Starting point is 01:15:23 Um, and before I get into my question, just want to say a quick thank you coming from a newer coach in the industry, especially just listening to you guys over the years. Your camaraderie and your vulnerability that you continue to share has really helped trainers like me, who are a little bit more on the quiet side

Starting point is 01:15:46 who get stuck in imposter syndrome and has really helped me to kind of lean into more confidence as a coach. So thank you. Love hearing that. How can we help you? Yeah. So I'll get into my question. I'll just read what I had, but I do have updates. I submitted it back in July actually. And it was a question about getting into muscle mommy, which I asked actually about two weeks just after completion of it. So I will kind of give you the question that I pose and be a muscle mommy? Short answer, yes. So I've been strength training consistently

Starting point is 01:16:31 for just over 10 years. It is truly my passion. My day job is a marketing manager at a power tool company, but I am also a certified pre and postnatal coach, which means I have an extra emphasis on pelvic floor support. I'm about one month away, or actually, sorry, back when I was writing this, I was one month away, but I am officially a certified breathwork facilitator as well.

Starting point is 01:16:55 I love coaching others and helping them realize their true potential with strength and connecting on a deeper level within their body through breath and meditation. I've been through different ebbs and flows of different training modalities throughout the years, but it has always been very focused on strength. Building a foundation of muscle and performance based strength as a teenager has been an immense blessing to as a girl who has become an example of a woman who can stay strong, even with a mostly sedentary job in the corporate world. In 2018, I got bulging discs in my lower back

Starting point is 01:17:33 and refused to go through any surgeries or get any types of like cortisol injections, anything like that. I was determined to getting back into lifting even after multiple doctors told me that I'd never lift heavy again because of their lack of strength knowledge and ultimately I did recover fully. This injury truly was a blessing in disguise because it did open up the world of mobility and spirituality to me in a way that I never knew was possible before. This was essentially the genesis of my journey to becoming a certified

Starting point is 01:18:05 pre postnatal coach and leaning into breathwork. I've been listening to your guys's podcasts over the years and I'm so grateful for your incredible leadership and knowledge in this space. I've worked through prime and prime pro and have loved how much strength I've been able to gain back and start feeling comfortable to become an advanced lifter again, especially after those years of rehab from the bulging discs. I have had to scale back a lot on my heavier lifts due to managing overall life stressors with the corporate job and balancing everything. I did complete maps anywhere a few years ago

Starting point is 01:18:41 when I was traveling more for work and it was really incredible how I was able to still maintain my physique and overall strength with minimal equipment. So thank you for that program that was awesome. Outside of that I've just been in maintenance before muscle mommy I was in maintenance mode with dumbbell work and bands. I typically would get one heavy deadlift session a week but focused more so on mobility most other days. I typically would get one heavy deadlift session a week but focused more so on mobility most other days. I really missed being able to incorporate

Starting point is 01:19:10 foundational lifts back into my routine and felt really strong so I purchased Muscle Mommy. I'll kind of skip over the next part because that was my main concern. I had a kind of nerve related lat pain that wouldn't go away no matter what I did. I did lat pullovers. It really was exacerbated with pull-ups specifically. Rose a little bit but it was more so like the pull-up motion and that's kind of what made me hesitate on starting muscle mommy, because I didn't know if it was going to make the issue worse or if there was something that I should have been looking into.

Starting point is 01:19:49 But during that time, I actually did things like acupuncture, mobility, of course, and muscle mommy, which now I am really not feeling that pain anymore. So I think it was just probably some weaknesses in surrounding muscles. So I don't know exactly what caused it, but it is in a much better place. I will say now as an update, I feel a lot stronger from when I started. I hadn't done barbell work in years prior

Starting point is 01:20:22 to doing that program just because of the bulging disc issue, as well as having some limited equipment at my house, which is where I primarily work out. Right before I purchased muscle mommy, I actually finally got a squat rack for my house. So it just happened to be perfect timing to start the program. And so I was like, I just, I have to do it.

Starting point is 01:20:46 If the pain gets worse, then I'll back off, but it didn't. So strength gains definitely happened. Yeah, feeling really great. And now kind of in this two week period of deciding what to do next, I don't know if something like an anabolic would make more sense or like a MAPS-15 or kind of just going back into what I was doing prior which was good

Starting point is 01:21:11 for maintenance. It was more so just mobility and like one day of heavy lifting. So open to questions. Symmetry. Symmetry is the way to go. I like symmetry for you. So it was nerve pain you felt. So it felt pretty nervy, kind of radiating or burning, that kind of stuff? Yeah, so one thing I didn't mention here, I had, well I still currently, it's tough to give it a name of what it actually is, but it's called trichotillomania,

Starting point is 01:21:42 which is a compulsive hair pulling disorder. It's not very well known because a lot of people who have it are embarrassed to talk about it. But essentially it's kind of in the same vein as like nail picking. It's a body focused repetitive behavior essentially, which is really unfortunate for people like me that really want to focus on strength but are caught in kind of like these compulsive behaviors that keep your arm, I guess, in this case, in like a bad position for a long time.

Starting point is 01:22:16 So I think that's what was exacerbating a lot of the nerve pain. But with eSTEM and acupuncture, that definitely supported. I'm so glad you said that. So nerve pain in the mid, back, lat, or whatever, oftentimes can come from the spine. And so, and sometimes the cervical spine. So I'm wondering the positioning of your head or neck

Starting point is 01:22:37 during that position with the scapula and a certain, so, and it caused some kind of nerve impingement. So I'm so glad you said that. I think for someone like you, especially with the bulging discs and what you just said, some form of fascial traction would be a good idea. Are you familiar with L-DoA? Yes.

Starting point is 01:22:58 I have heard you guys talk about it. I also have tune-up fitness, like myofascia balls that have been really supportive. Awesome. So okay so if you go on our Mindpump fitness channel, Mindpump TV, we have some videos on El Doha. Now you seem very educated. I think an El Doha certification would be something you probably love but essentially it is doing traction, so you know what traction is, right?

Starting point is 01:23:26 Where you're kind of creating disc space. Kind of unwinds the fascial lines. But you're using the fascial lines to do so. And it's not using, it's not myofascial release or anything like that. It's literally using, creating tension along the fascial lines to create some kind of traction. Someone like you would benefit greatly from that.

Starting point is 01:23:43 And it would compliment the type of clientele you are targeting. I was just gonna say that, for the kind of people that you're working with, it would be very valuable certification course. Nonetheless, we have, I think like three or four videos where you learn some of the techniques of LDO, and so you could try them out and see how they help you.

Starting point is 01:24:01 But I've had a lot of success using them on my wife. Yeah. Cause she has her hernia. Anybody with back issues. Yes, yes, yes. I think that would be very valuable for someone like you. And then symmetry would be great. It's unilateral based, although the lat,

Starting point is 01:24:13 the back half of it is five by five. So get back to the barbell. But I think you would really like it and how it kind of balances out muscle mommy. So tell me about muscle mommy. You got a lot stronger at the end. You've got great results from it. You feel good?

Starting point is 01:24:27 Yeah, I feel so good. So happy to be back under the barbell. I didn't do the best pre, post kind of tracking. I'm definitely not. I used to be very hardcore with all the food tracking, but have kind of come away from that. So I didn't go into all the details of body fat percentage and all the things before and after.

Starting point is 01:24:51 But weight-wise, I think I was around 136, 138 to start. Felt strong already, felt pretty lean, but just hadn't put a lot of weight on my back for a while. So, um, the newbie gains were ready to come back. And, um, the first time I think I got into five by fives, I started with one 65 and I could only get like two reps. Um, the second week I did it, I think I was like five reps comfortably.

Starting point is 01:25:24 And so like the strength is definitely still there and I'm like eager to get it back but also very aware of kind of balancing stress and things so it's kind of a tough mind pull because I used to be super meathead wanting to like just lift as much as I can and now I know the cause of pushing it too hard. With your background as a coach, pre and post natal training, breath work specialist, you're pretty well aware of the balance that you need through fitness. So I feel pretty confident having you do any of our programs because I think you're going to be smart. You definitely aren't a meathead anymore

Starting point is 01:26:07 because of the certifications and courses and clients you work with. So now you know the value of it. I think you'll really like symmetry. I think your clients are gonna like what you're gonna get from symmetry as well because you'll get some stuff that you can apply towards them. And then I'm telling you with your education, your background, and what you've experienced with your own injuries, look into LDOA, find those videos on our channel, look into it, I think you're gonna really, really like

Starting point is 01:26:32 what it does for you. Melody, are you signed up for the free webinar coming up for the trainers? I am, yep. Good girl. Yeah, excellent. Make sure you comment or something so we can see ya. Excited to see you in there then.

Starting point is 01:26:42 Yep, yep. Yeah, very good. We'll send you symmetry, okay, if you don't have it. Amazing, thank you. Yeah, and whatever you do in your hair, it looks great, I can't even tell you. You look great. Thank you, I've mastered the angles over the years.

Starting point is 01:26:53 So, it's a true talent. Awesome, all right, well thank you so much, Melody. Can I give you guys one tip for a random thing, a protein snack that I think you guys will really like. So I don't know you haven't talked about it yet but I can't imagine you haven't discovered this already but if you haven't mixing the chocolate any type of chocolate flavor element with paleo valley chocolate like two scoops or something as a hot chocolate is like amazing drink

Starting point is 01:27:33 That's not bad at all I'll try that yeah, I'll try that cuz I'm actually not a fan of the chocolate element But like that like that might be really that might be delicious. I love hot chocolates Yeah, I've had a lot of friends that are like really weary on the chocolate flavor. I'm like just trust me this makes it The idea I'll definitely try. It's perfect timing, right? Winter coming around, I like that. I like it. Thank you. Awesome, Melody.

Starting point is 01:27:52 Thank you, guys. Thank you so much. Have a good one. Good stuff. Yeah, that traction type of training for people is so beneficial. Traction's beneficial at alleviating a lot of nerve pain, but the problem with most traction is it's passive.

Starting point is 01:28:11 Exactly, yeah, you're gonna hang upside down, you're gonna do all these other things to try and achieve that, but yeah, the LDOA, it's very active and they teach you how to really kind of tense up those muscles to support you better. Maybe we should have, you know, we haven't done that in a long time and that there is so much value in that.

Starting point is 01:28:27 I know we only did like two or three videos. Maybe we have like an Aldo, a person series come in and actually do like the top 10 like moves or something. That's a great idea. Yeah. Cause it is really useful. I think that'd be really cool for the coaches. Or at least in the coaches stuff.

Starting point is 01:28:40 Maybe we at least do it in the coaches program. So they have that. Cause that for them is, I think, super valuable. Absolutely. Great, yeah. Our next caller is Alicia from Canada. Hi, Alicia. Hi, how are you?

Starting point is 01:28:51 Good, how are you? How can we help you? Very well, thanks. First, thank you so much. I've been listening for a little over a year and the information you guys provide is fantastic. So I really, really appreciate you taking the time to chat with me. Thank you. I'll go over my history first. Uh,

Starting point is 01:29:10 things have changed a little bit since I sent you my question in July, but it's, it's still pretty consistent. Um, so I've been listening heavily for years now for the past, I've really built a reverse diet, reboot my metabolism with the advice that you guys give. Uh, like what most women I have had some crazy diets, really sorted that out. So my protein intake is great. Usually sitting around 135 grams in terms of calories. I was up to 2,400. I have recently dropped down to 2,000 because I've been working with a trainer and that's what he suggested. I have finished anabolic and I at the time was three weeks into performance

Starting point is 01:29:45 however I have now finished it and I was planning on starting a static next which kind of goes into my question. So how do I get my shoulders and back to actually fill out? I know most girlies complain they want the booty but that's never been a problem. I really want that definition, either the shoulder caps, being able to see into my back, and no matter what I do, I just cannot kind of build in there. I feel like even with my lifts,

Starting point is 01:30:10 I'm getting some increases, but I'm just not seeing a lot of the improvement. And it's really been a goal of mine to get that definition. So, yeah. Good question. All right. Well, you have aesthetic.

Starting point is 01:30:21 The focus sessions is where you can place a focus on specific body parts. So when you're following aesthetic pick shoulders and back and then do the right exercises the ones that we recommend on your focus sessions and that'll give you extra volume to train on those areas. As far as definition is concerned that's that's a leanness issue typically right so getting them bigger that'll help getting leaner tends to show the definition. But yeah, you got the right program. MAPS Aesthetic is literally designed for you

Starting point is 01:30:50 to be able to focus on, that's why they call focus sessions, on target body parts. So you'll be able to put more volume there. It's really gonna come down to continuing to reverse diet and increase your calories. Because you do need more, if we're gonna build muscle, we need a calorie surplus. and if you're hovering around maintenance or even sometimes a deficit that's gonna be really tough to build

Starting point is 01:31:11 and so just being comfortable with going on a nice reverse diet slash bulk for a little while and then when you see strength go up you've ran through the program then after that then we can go on a cut and then hopefully if we've done a good job we've got your calories up to 26, 2800 calories and then you come back down and then you peel down and then you reveal all the hard work that you did on them shoulders during MAPS Aesthetic. So that would be the formula because you got the programming down and then you said it already but I would just continue to emphasize like consistently hitting protein, consistently hitting that protein intake is so important.

Starting point is 01:31:46 Now Alicia, if MAPS Aesthetic begins to feel like too much volume, because it's a high volume program. Yeah. So if you start to feel overtrained. So that was my... Go ahead. Yeah. Oh, I was going to say that was my other concern.

Starting point is 01:32:00 I work in retail management. We're going into Christmas. So getting to that like over exertion, over training was why I was kind of holding off on it. Because I know that it is a big commitment. You know what might be more appropriate from a volume perspective that also places an emphasis on shoulders and back is muscle mommy.

Starting point is 01:32:20 Muscle mommy might be more of an appropriate amount of volume, but it also specializes, it also places emphasis on the shoulders and back, mainly because it was a female-oriented program and women tend to want to develop those areas more than let's say their chest, for example. So if you want, I can send that to you, Alicia. It's less volume than aesthetic. That would be awesome. Now let me send that to you. Yeah

Starting point is 01:32:47 let's do that. Yeah because that might be more appropriate because aesthetic is a lot of volume. It's a good call. And you know a lot of people can do it but if you're also know you're going into a stressful season it might not be the best program. Yeah. Yeah and like I said I've been with the trainer now about six weeks and he definitely said like mobility too like I have to really focus on that because I guess repetitive motion at work and stuff like that he can see some issues there so I don't know if that's restricting kind of where my lifts are as well. It could yeah it definitely could for sure but yeah let me send you

Starting point is 01:33:21 Muscle Mommy and I think that program will probably be the one that'll get you there. I like that. Awesome. Yeah. Thank you so much. Perfect. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. You got it. Well, that was easy. Yeah, yeah. Aesthetic is a great program, but it's high volume. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:39 And so... You do have to be ready for that. You got to be ready, man. You got to have good, like... Okay, so most people, if they follow Aesthetic, also need to have perfect sleep ready for that. You gotta be ready, man. You gotta have good, like, okay, so most people, if they follow aesthetic, also need to have perfect sleep, perfect diet, you know, good history, good recovery, because it's a lot. It's a lot of volume, and if it's too much for you,

Starting point is 01:33:56 you're not gonna progress, regardless of the program. I mean, it was, it was, it was. It's your bodybuilding program. Yeah, I was inspired by my, in the, Ready to jump on stage. Yeah, I couldn't handle that right now. No, no, so, there you go. Look, if you love our show, come find us on Instagram. by my in the compete jump on stage yeah I couldn't handle that right now so there you go look if you love our show come find us on Instagram Justin is that

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