Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2483: The Best Gyms Have These 3 Things (Listener Coaching)

Episode Date: December 6, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: The best gyms have these three things. (1:45) The impact of correctional exercise knowledge for trainers. (12:32) The new Sal and Jessica party. (16:44) The value in chasing the flow state for overall health. (18:42) Instagram teen accounts. (24:38) How Adam incorporated BFR training into his rehab. (27:37) Fun Facts with Justin: HoloTile. (32:42) The importance of creating a culture within a business. (34:20) What kinds of things help ensure professional success as an adult? (36:00) First big purchase from money saved from work. (40:24) The appeal of entrepreneurship. (45:53) The guy’s favorite winter drinks. (50:06) Building confidence in your children. (52:53) The vaccine third rail. (56:28) Shout out to Max Lugavere. (59:12) #Quah question #1 – Do complex carbs help muscle soreness, before a workout? What foods do you recommend for pre-workout? (1:00:52) #Quah question #2 – Will circuit training group classes still be beneficial and muscle building if a person isn't super fit and they still get sore from it? (1:05:29) #Quah question #3 – Will you be sharing more about the outcomes for the GLP1 group you’ve been coaching? I would love to hear more about how it all went! (1:08:25) #Quah question #4 – Any plans to make some sort of online registry for coaches so that listeners can find coaches in their area who listen to Mind Pump? (1:15:02) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit NASM for this month’s exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** 50% off CES (self-study). Code MPMCESSS at checkout. ** Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off. ** Cyber Monday Sale is ALL MAPS Fitness Products 60% OFF. Coupon code CYBERMONDAY. Sale: Monday, December 2nd and expire on Friday, December 6th. Mind Pump # 2140: How to Choose the Best Gym for You Building Muscle with Adam Schafer – Mind Pump TV Occlusion Training Tutorial- How to Increase Muscle Size Using Blood Flow Restriction Disney Unveils the HoloTile Floor, Inching Us Closer to a Real-Life Holodeck Harvard study, almost 80 years old, has proved that embracing community helps us live longer, and be happier Get your free Sample Pack with any “drink mix” purchase! Also try the new LMNT Sparkling — a bold, 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump Sore muscles…what does it mean? - Mind Pump Media Online Personal Training Course | Mind Pump Fitness Coaching Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Max Lugavere (@maxlugavere) Instagram Kyle P (@mindpumpkyle) Instagram  

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you have to consider the following three things. By the way, number three is the most important. You guys wanna guess? We used to call it. Well, you guys should know, you manage gyms. We used to call it the three Cs. Yeah, that's right, we did. It was the three Cs.

It was, so number one is location which data shows is actually quite important like it has to be relatively close to either work or home otherwise. In proximity yeah. Yes attendance drops off quite a bit. Yeah they surveyed all the members and these were the three most important things when making a decision of purchasing a gym membership, which makes sense, right? Ironically, this morning I was thinking like I had to, I wanted to get up and go do some empty stomach cardio, right? Just walk on the treadmill early first thing before I got up. So I set my alarm hour earlier and it was like raining outside and I was like, I gotta go out

and then I gotta go drive over, it was closer. I was literally had this conversation like this morning. I was like, if it was just a little bit closer, I would've got up and did it. So you had pancakes instead? I totally, yeah, so I had pancakes instead. No, I totally didn't, man. I was like, and they're just between the rain,

like Cray, I was like, nah, I don't feel like going out there. That's funny, this morning I was at the gym, it was hella slow, and I'm like, it's cause it's raining. It is cause it's raining. That's 100%, I was just like, thinking about that. But yeah, location's really important. This is why home gyms, people with home gyms tend to be more consistent.

It's just proximity and convenience, because when you're motivated, an extra 10 minute drive's not a big deal. It's those times when you're not motivated, where every little hurdle becomes so much larger. That's a, they don't like it. The way it can be consistent is if it's like, you know, within reason, like I only have to go this far

to keep this up and keep doing it. And so that's why the home gym was always like appealing because it's like super available. It's become way more appealing to me than it used to. I remember when we first started the podcast, I was kind of the kind of the home gym suck. I'm not a home gym person I'd rather go I want to be there around everybody working out stuff But I mean this morning is a perfect example of if I had like a full-on setup where I had a you know Treadmill or something downstairs. I would 100% got up. It was literally the fact that I go outside the rain

They got drive a little one. I'm not doing it. So. All right. Next is cleanliness. This again, when you look at the data, gyms that are dirty. Now this isn't necessary. This isn't, some people confuse this with like new versus older gyms. That's not what they mean. They literally mean clean. Like you go in the locker room and there's not toilet paper on the floor and it's disgusting or the equipment itself isn't covered in stains and sweat. You don't have a green pool of muck and soup.

Yes, yes. I feel like this is obvious though, right? This is kinda how. This seems obvious. I feel for like anything consumer related, right? I think that if I go to a restaurant, I want like cleanliness has to be up there. If you go to a store.

It leaves an impression immediately. It does. I mean, so I think that clean that, and I think especially the bathrooms. I'm like, I'm super- Especially. I don't know, this is so funny, but there's times when I'll go to a restaurant and if a restaurant has like a really nice bathroom,

it'll, even if the food wasn't amazing the first time, I'll come back and try it again because the bathroom is so clean. Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, exactly. No, that's exactly how I feel. I was in a bad mood. Look at this really nice bathroom there.

We should probably try eating there one more time. Well, yeah. If the bathroom is gross, what is the kitchen going to look like, where you can't see what they're doing back there? I've worked a restaurant. I know you have, Justin. Yeah, yeah.

Makes a big difference. Do they, wait, just since I do want to know that, is that like, do you remember that being a conversation from the manager or something like that, like how important the restroom was, or is that not that big of a deal? I think it was all kind of lumped in together, like in terms of floors.

The whole, yeah. But yeah, like I'm, pretty much if the bathroom ever had any issue, it wasn't taken care of immediately, that was a definite reflection of how everything's run, you know, in the kitchen, for sure. It's 100%. I worked in an Italian restaurant, pizzeria, it was private, and it was this old Italian guy

that owned it. I used to think he was in the mall, butizzeria. It was private and it was this old Italian guy that owned it. I used to think he was in the mall, but anyway, if the bathroom was dirty for longer than two seconds, oh bro. Somebody's gonna get lit up. I was a kid washing dishes in the back and I'd be like, well grab someone to clean the bathroom. All right, so last, this is the most important,

by far, end of story, most important aspect of a gym that you should pay attention to. If you're trying to find a gym, if you're like, look, I'm gonna start a fitness journey and I wanna be consistent, I wanna get good results. This is something I don't wanna have to, I don't wanna quit like I've always done in the past. What's the thing I should focus on

or pay attention to the most in the gym that I choose? And it's the culture. It's the culture of the gym that makes the most in the gym that I choose and it's the culture. It's the culture of the gym that makes the most impact. Now, I heard a funny, a really, really funny conversation the other day. I was on social media and there was this guy talking about churches and trust me, it's all connected. And he was talking about how some churches in their attempt at attracting more people will water down the message or kind of lie a little bit to track more people to make it seem like, in other words,

it's like a watered down version of... They're just always positive. They don't give you the real like hard facts. Yes, it was like this watered down version of Christianity. This is the critique of Joel Osteen. Yes. It was like this watered-down version of Christianity. This is the critique of Joel Osteen. Yes. Is it like he pulls from messages that are like just all kind of positive stuff like that, doesn't want to get into the controversy.

It's the prosperity gospel. Yeah. Is that what it's called? Yeah, it's like if you pray hard enough, have enough faith, you'll get money, you'll get everything you want, you know, type of thing. It doesn't say that at all. But anyway, this guy was mentioning this and like he was talking about how ineffective it is. Not only is it not accurate, but also the churches that do that just are not effective at really helping people. And then he called these churches and I died laughing because my buddy sent it to me.

He said, these churches are the planet fitness of churches. I died. And it was such a good analogy. Because here you have a culture, this is a company culture, right? So individual planet fitnesses might be different depending on how they're managed. But the company culture is to attract more people, we're gonna offer free pizza,

we're not gonna have squat racks and cages, we're not gonna allow deadlifts, we're gonna be the cheapest membership, and we're gonna punish people for grunting and wearing tank tops in the gym. And through that, we should be more effective. And the truth is, they're less effective. They're less effective because they've watered down what real fitness is by offering free

pizza, terrible message. That's not saying you can't eat pizza but you're a gym, why are you offering pizza? And it's not to say that, you know, in grunting you're going to punish the most consistent members and take away the exercise that are most effective, albeit most difficult, but also effective. And as a result, they've weakened the message of fitness and are helping less people as a result. And so what's the culture that you're looking for in a gym? Well, you want one that is supportive, motivating,

that feels like you belong, that the people want to see you succeed, that mention when you haven't been there in a little while. People actually notice that you're gone when you're gone and you come back. That's the culture. The culture of the gym ends up becoming your coach. The equipment of the gym is inconsequential. I've managed big box locations that were so old, literally, that if it rained too much,

there were segments of the gym where the ceiling tiles would collapse from water leaking, and the equipment was so old that the plates didn't match half the time, and the equipment itself was like from the 80s. And because of the culture, we were the top producing club in a large company of over 300 locations, and it had nothing to do with the equipment, it had nothing to do how new it was,

it had everything to do with just the environment it had nothing to do with how new it was, it had everything to do with just the environment that we created for our members, and people wanted to show up and be consistent, and that's what you wanna find in a gym, in order to find success. Yeah, I think people will forgive the first two, or put up with a lot with the first two, if the culture is that amazing.

If it has that cheers vibe to it when you come in, then I think there's a lot, not only that, but when the culture is so good, then you catch actually members and stuff like helping the place stay clean and things like that. I've been in part of gyms where it's like that, where the whole, the random members will be re-racking other members, yeah, other members weights,

or they'll be picking up trash in the bathroom like whoa. And I think that has a lot to say about that when you've done a really good job of creating that culture. I mean, and let's be honest, this is, CrossFit killed this. I mean, this is such a great example. They killed it. They had minimal equipment. They had a garage looking gym. Yeah. They had none of the industrial. They had industrial areas of town. Yeah, terrible circulation. Yeah, no AC.

Minimal equipment, concrete floors. And they crushed it. Nothing comfortable. Because what they created was a culture. In fact, you talk to people today who still go, I have a good friend of mine, Chuck, real good friend of mine. He's actually one of the pastors at the church that I go to and he still does CrossFit. I tease him about it, right? Like, you know who loves CrossFit? He's like, who? I said, chiropractors and physical therapists. And he laughs, and I tease him, and he goes, you know why I go, man? He goes, it's the

culture. He goes, I love the environment. It's hard to argue that. It's hard to argue that. It is. It's the most important thing. So when you go to a gym, it's like, are the advanced members helping beginners? Do people know when you're gone? Does it feel like when you show up, like, man, these people really care about my fitness and my health in genuine, real ways? Like that's what you're looking for. I mean, I have the, the, the privilege of being able to be a member of multiple gyms and I belong to multiple gyms precisely because they have different cultures

that will serve different needs that I have. Like if I want a more relaxing environment, one where I'm going to go and kind of take care of myself, maybe emotionally, spiritually, whatever, there's one gym. If I want to go after it and work out real hard, there's another gym that I go to. It's just, it makes such a big difference. It's funny because thinking about CrossFit, it's totally a reflection of like when I would train with a team and the team was like,

we would even train for football sometimes with like the younger guys and the freshmen. We'd all pack into this, it was basically a room. Like it was like one of those trailer rooms that you'd have like a classroom out of. It got- Those portables. Yeah. Turned into a gym and it was like so small and there was just racks like

lined around the room. Everybody was just in there like sardines and then somebody's ripping ass. And it's like awful. It's a toxic environment, but we're all like, yeah, like we're in this together. I would never seek that out, you know, like ever, but you know what? We had like a bond and a pact and like we're doing this together and you know And it's like they figured that out how to do that like commercially. It's just it's pretty amazing. Yeah, you bring up Physical therapy and chiropractors that love Crossfitters with that, you know, I gotta bring this up

I saw in the notes that Katrina had that in ASM CES I believe is half off right now. Which is, we talk, obviously if you've been listening to the show for a long time, you've heard us talk at Nausium how that certification was probably one of the most impactful certifications for all of us. Correctional exercise. Yeah, by far. Best one, I think. First off, I want to say this to people who aren't trainers, that they need to understand this.

When I say correctional exercise, I think the average person thinks of rehab, injury, they think of pain, which is all true. What they don't think of is getting better results, building muscle, burning body fat, all the things that they want. So when they hear correctional exercise, unless they're in pain or unless there's something really calling out to them, they're like, eh, you know, kind of boring. Correctional exercise is strength training. Correctional exercise is muscle building.

It's just done in a way to optimize the way that you move, which actually leads to better muscle building and better results. So correctional exercise is for everyone, and if you're a trainer or a coach and you understand this, this gives you the tools that you need to individualize strength training. That's what makes a trainer so valuable from an exercise perspective is that I can individualize my training for the person I'm looking at and it's correctional

exercise knowledge that does that. It's not you know exercises for chest and back and shoulders and stuff like that. It's literally I'm looking at this person move, what movements are going to benefit them the most and how can they perform them in a way that will benefit them the most. That's what gets them the best results. It was so interesting to me that leadership back when I worked at 24 hour fitness did not really promote or talk about how valuable it is. I found out just by going through, right? So I've gone through several NASM certifications and eventually made my way through CES. I believe I did the SFS first and then I did CES

and afterwards was just blown away. And then that's all I would tell my, like you have to get this course. But nobody else had told me about that. And I mean, I wish that I had the numbers to go back and like how successful I was financially as a trainer before that. And then after that, I know that it made a huge

impact on the way that I would recommend personal training, how my closing percentage when I had somebody who first time I've met them and then I could show them something that alleviated chronic pain Like to do that so valuable you figured out. Yeah your real value that you can provide and you could prescribe You know to your clients and really help them in in their everyday life So it's not like it's not just like their initial goal coming in which is obviously something they're gonna address But this like this was a whole nother

value point that I think that the client didn't even realize they're gonna be able to receive. I think as a young kid, I think that I must've thought that that type of training was just for advanced-age or old people. Yeah, totally. And so, and I probably was like, oh. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I think. But everybody experiences pain.

Everybody. It's inevitable. It's not just'm trying to say. Yeah, I think. But like everybody experiences pain. It's, everybody. It's inevitable. It's not just that. My first experience with correctional exercise was a silly one, but this was as a meathead young trainer. I'm probably 19, 18 years old, super, and just want to get big. I don't even care about, like, if you say correctional exercise to me,

I would laugh, like, where, you know, just get me to bench more or whatever. And I'll never forget, like, I don't remember what number it was at, but my bench press was stuck at a particular number. And in those days in the 90s, bench press was how you, this is how you bragged about how strong you were. It was the exercise.

Monday bench. Oh, this one you did your rotator cuff. That's right. And I remember it was stuck at a particular way, and I saw this ad for this rotator cuff device, and they sold me on it because it said that it'll increase your bench. They didn't say it fixes shoulder pain.

They said this will make your bench more. So I did the exercise and I think two days later I added 10 or 15 pounds to my bench press and that was the first time I was like, oh. Shoulder stability matters. It makes you stronger. It's not just for old people or for rehab. Yeah, totally. Huge difference here.

Dude, I had such a good, such a fun Saturday. So Saturday we went to Toby Mack concert, Toby Mack and Mercy Me. Do you guys know that? That's so funny. How many of these concerts you up to now, dog? You're like reliving my junior high. I know.

I know, right? DC Talks. Next is gonna be at Cal State, Hume Lake. That's coming next. I feel like that. Oh Councilor Hume Lake. That's coming next. I feel like that. Oh, that's, I love it, dude. That's so funny. It's fun to watch.

I was told, someone talked about that. No way. Oh, Hume Lake's a blast. I heard that. That's what everybody keeps saying. You should go be a counselor there. No, that's no world end. You're on your time.

So, first of all, I didn't know who these people were. I didn't know Toby Mack, I didn't know Mercy Me, I didn't know any of that. And so Jessica and I, the first Christian kind of concert we went to was Brandon Lake. And we were just like, I told't know, Mercy, I didn't know any of that. So, Jessica and I, the first Christian concert we went to was Brandon Lake, and we were just like, I told you guys about that. I was so like, oh my God, this is amazing. The environment is incredible, everybody there, it's such a different experience than any other concert. So, her and I made this conscious, this is what we're going to do. We're going to go, anytime someone's nearby, we're going to go to this. So, then we went to Elevation Worship, which was awesome.

And then we found Toby Mack was coming, and we knew some of his songs, I didn't know who he was. So I reached out to some of our friends from the church, and we're like, hey, you guys wanna go to this? They're like, wow, he's still performing? We're like, why has it been around for a while? That's what I thought. So.

Is he opening it up for Amy Grant? So Jessica and I are like, let's do this. So I got a party bus for us. So I had a party bus come pick us up. I swear. I swear I did. I had a party bus. The irony.

I know. I had a party bus. You had to take shots. This was new. Hey, you know what's funny? I told them too. I said, this is like new Sal and Jessica party. Yeah.

It's not like old Sal and Jessica party. Totally different. Like we're taking communion. Just you know. But no, it drove us over there. There were about 10 of us. Where is it at. Just you know, yeah, but no it drove us over there. There were about ten of us Where did you guys where is it at Oakland Oakland? Okay? So we drove up there and man we had the absolute greatest time

It was such a good time everybody so these are just great people so connecting so fun, you know sing along It's just it was it was a great time. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think, because I know you've experienced, this was actually on my topic to bring up, I don't know what led me to bring this up. I think Katrina and I were having some conversation on this, and I was just talking about flow state. And, oh, it was driving, that's what I heard. She was talking about, I've told you guys how,

since she's got into driving, she's stopped drinking. Have I told you that? No. Yeah, yeah, you know how much the way you said that you know how exhilarated feeling yes by the way everybody she didn't drink I mean you know that if you've listened for a long time or you guys know that Katrina likes to like to drink that's her thing I tease her all time about she's, she could have a drink on Tuesday. That's not like me. She has three livers.

Yeah. And she could drink me on the table. So, um, so yeah, so she, uh, she really has lost the love for it. Like for someone who was like, it's, I mean, in her blood, she loves it. Admittedly, we tell you that feeling from the drive. Yeah. Yeah. And I was explaining that, um, that it'sly would tell you. Because she gets that feeling from the drivers. Yeah, yeah. And I was explaining that it's like flow state.

And so the point of me bringing this up is that do you think when you get what you're feeling when you get to like a Christian concert like that, where everybody's kind of worshiping, singing all together, that it's like a group flow feeling? Does it remind you of that? And I know you've experienced in jiu-jitsu, but that's a little more individual.

Have you ever experienced that group flow before? I have, yes, definitely. I've felt it in some of the teams that I've managed. I've felt it with you guys creating programs, sometimes on the podcast, conversation. This was different. This was like just this overwhelming feeling of, I mean, for lack of a better term, love, appreciation,

feeling humble, and to hear people and see people all around you, there was this one woman, we look back and she's, there's a song comes on and she starts crying and then someone's hugging her and just, the environment is just, I don't know how to explain it, it feels like the whole place is filled with the spirit. So you don't think it's like group flow, it's not.

It's different than what I've experienced from flow. But it does feel connected in a similar way. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, and part of me bringing that up, too, is just I was thinking about how that's something that I feel like I get when I also drive. And so at that, and I was wondering. You're just in the moment.

Yeah, yeah. And it made me think, I wonder if there's any, and it makes me want to go back and reread some of those books and see if they, they talked about studies around just how important that is to us as humans to, to chase that state. Like, and is it, and, and I would be, it would be neat to go back and look and see like, or there are periods of times in my life where let's say I was, you know, I don't necessarily have to be depressed, but like where I was that you know, I don't know that on this side to be depressed but like where I was down or just in a funk Or not and it was there where that was that during a time where I had an extended period of time where I didn't get to

Experience flow like I hadn't engaged in the future of the past I feel like every time you're able to really hone in on right now and like the present. Yeah Space and you just focus on that. It just elevates my mood. I'm so much happier and it's a trip because it's like most of the time I'm living in the future. I've pretty much figured that out for myself and I've been trying to kind of unpack that

and how can I just, what tools and what things can I do to introduce myself to get back to this present state? It's such an addictive's such an, um, uh, you know, addictive, intoxicating, amazing feeling to, to, to find it. I remember when I, I part of what makes me miss playing basketball

so much is moments of that. You get that, especially when you play with somebody who you've played with for like a really long time, my, my best friend and I played a lot of ball together. And when the game is just flowing right and he's

Communicating with yeah. Yeah, exactly. You don't see him and you know a pass and you're just there Yeah, and it's just gonna be it's the most amazing feeling to tap into that and I don't know gives me this incredible overwhelming sense of joy and so I'll you know, I thought man it Should this be something that I go after intentionally? Like, hey, I need to make sure that on a weekly basis, I chase flow somewhere, somewhere, whether that be in a snowboarding or driving or playing a game of basketball or probably music for you. Like, you know, those, like, and how important is that to overall health?

I bet there's some stuff related to that. I think depends on how it's used, right? Like if it's, if you're chasing it as a way to escape often, then it might be a problem right? I don't think it's escapism. I think it's like Justin's saying it's the most ultimate feeling of present. Yes. It's the opposite of escaping. Yeah but you heard what I'm saying. Some people could use it for that. I know what you're saying. You see what I'm saying? Like your home life is, so you're just like I'm just gonna go and be in this state of flow doing this other thing and not focusing on what I'm saying? Like your home life is, so you're just like, I'm just gonna go and be in this state of flow

doing this other thing and not focusing on what I'm supposed to. In other words, not being present in the places I need to be present. Yeah, I wonder if that would be, let's say, like, let's say. Think about obsessed people. Well, no, I was just thinking about,

okay, so let's run a scenario like that. Let's say Katrina and I are fighting, it's just stuff is really bad at home and we're on the brink of divorce and I'm like, I gotta get off, I gotta go take off and do a snowboarding trip and I go take off and I are fighting. It's just stuff is really bad at home and we're on the brink of divorce and I'm like I got to get off I go take off and do a snowboarding trip and I go take off and I go Snowboard and have the most amazing flow state day. Is that necessarily bad? No, but if that's all you chase Yeah, oh sure. Have you all like you never just session run it run away from it Yeah, yeah, cuz I could see that how that could become your your God, right?

You're a chemical dependence or something if you want to associate that. So much of human, because we have this like the gift of consciousness, but it's also this challenge, right? Which is we know our demise, we could think and ponder about things. So it's almost like we're supposed to be consciously anxious or uncomfortable. So much of what we do is run away from that, whether it's abuse food or alcohol or technology or you know I mean look at technology how much quiet time do we give ourselves not much it's all about like I got to just you know because you could be in flow on tech too right you can be on flow on social media and not

know what the hell's going on did you guys see I put it in my notes but I honestly I didn't get a chance like really dig deep on it I'd seen two commercials now for it the teen Instagram What's that? Oh look it up Doug. Okay, so I'm good. We can look it up together so it looks like because like Instagram is promoting a Separate platform. Oh good or a platform or a section within the platform that specifically for control Oh, yeah, so there's all kinds of like controls on it. I surprised you guys.

That's a great marker response. It's brilliant, I thought, but I don't know exactly what it consists of. But I saw two commercials and I'm like, I gotta write that down to look into it. The guys, I thought for sure actually one of you guys would know more. Well, Snapchat is the big one that they use the most.

And it's, cause they have a feature on there where it's like you can look on a map and see where all your friends are. They just turn it on. It's like they really pay attention to that. What's so-and-so doing? But yeah, I haven't heard anything about Instagram. Okay, teen accounts. Tell me about it.

Yeah, so they're available only in some locations now and will be introduced globally in early 2025. So it's protective teen safety settings. Yeah, yeah, tell me. Keep teens safe on Instagram by limiting unwanted contact, showing content that's right for their age and helping them manage their time on Instagram. Okay, I mean it sounds like you're in a good direction.

I mean, yeah, at least to- Deny their teens' requests to make their safety settings another option. Less protective. Oh, so they have to, okay, so this is interesting. See, this is how I was telling you guys, my cousin, how they, because you can't do it on iPhone, but you can do it on the Samsungs,

where everything runs through the parents. They control everything. They control it. So they have to, if the kids go or do something like that, they have to first ask approval, and then it comes to the parents' phone, and the parents just yes or no. And then it allows them access to it.

So it sounds like they built something like that into actually Instagram. That's interesting. It sounds like a good market response to... Do you think it'll be useful? I mean, do you think it would change your mind about letting your kid use it? No, I mean, I think it's in the right direction,

but I don't think you should outsource what your kids... You know what I mean, I think it's in the right direction, but I don't think you should outsource what your kids, you know what I mean? In other words, I trust Instagram to determine. Well, the truth is too. It's better than nothing, for sure. Teenagers will find a way to hack it anyway. Let's talk about Snapchat for a second. You brought up Snapchat.

You're right, it's the most used one. You know what that was built on? Sending pictures that are deleted. Why the hell are you advertising to kids an app where you can send a picture that then disappears? That doesn't sound weird to you? That's why that's the one my daughter brought up years ago, I was like no, no way are you gonna use an app

that you can send a picture, I don't care how much communication you could do otherwise, that's weird to me that that's a kids app and their primary function, it's not anymore, now there's lots of things on it. It was send a picture that gets deleted right away. That's weird. That is a weird feature.

Yeah, that doesn't make me feel very good. I wanted to ask you, Adam, I saw you post a video, because I know of your injury in your hamstring, you started using BFR? Oh yeah, so I did that yesterday. Which, duh. Yeah, well, I mean, so. I forgot, I mean, of course, it's perfect.

So it was always on my plan of rehabbing back. I think I told you guys this, I think I brought it up on the show. After I did that whole session with Kyle, yeah, I got more bruising and it just, the, the isometrics were like too intense for the hamstrings. So I basically had to kind of lay off of it and it's still since like, if I, when I'm, when I'm, I'm on the elliptical or walking on the treadmill, I can do about 30 minutes before it starts to bother me.

So it's still there, right? So I'm still in the healing process, but I was just getting so antsy about like doing something for my legs. And I had already done like a leg extensions and even the, you know, coming down on the negative on the leg since I could feel the hamstring a little bit and it's still stabilizing. Yeah. But getting up and down from a chair, not so bad. It didn't bother me as much. And so I thought, you know what? Maybe I'll just all BFR my quads and hamstrings and see how that feels.

Felt really good. I was also pleasantly surprised. I actually got a little sore from it. I was super, Katrina, I had her do it with me too. And I got a great pump from it. Felt really good from doing that. but the plan was to do that I just thought I'd end up rehabbing a little bit longer before I introduced and I just wanted to see you know turns out it's the it's a earlier step than you thought yeah

yeah yeah so I'm I was excited and it went it went really well so I didn't think of that so I will include it and really the thought for the audience the thought process on this is that You know I'm coming up on my last couple weeks of this whole journey And so I'm really trying to you know bring the leanest lean right now by the leanest version of me right now I think I'm getting close to single digits if you're not single digits. That's ridiculous. Yeah, I'll be really picture look like I know I'll be a little upset if I'm not I think I I should, there's certain things I can see on my physique. You get lean in your abs real fast.

My abs don't look like yours unless I'm single digit. Yeah. I've, we've known that about me always that I've been able to see, I can see my abs at 11%. I know that for sure, but I get these veins in them that I, when I can see the vascularity in my, then I kind of know I'm in single digits. But anyways, the point of bringing up the BFR was that, you know, so my goal is obviously bring the leanest version of me that I can right now in this time. And so I've introduced this, you know, Liss Cardio,

I've now reduced the calories. And my biggest fear of not being able to show really good results is, even though I'm doing everything right diet wise, I've picked up a little bit of the volume just through higher reps and sets for the upper body is my legs are the, you know, the, the biggest weighing thing on me and not being able to train them. So I'm like, am I going to atrophy there, but then maybe build a little bit in my upper body enough to not really show much. That's a good point. So, so I was like, I gotta do something to the legs to at least slow down the atrophy as much as I possibly can.

How high up do you get a tie like on? Really high. Yeah, yeah, yeah, really high. So it's like... Pinching. Yeah, yeah, no, it's almost like you're, it's like if you were wearing bikini underwear, it's strapped all the... You walk around with your... Strapped all the... You get it committed. Bro, it's brutal. It's, it's brutal. PFR sucks. Oh, yeah. underwear, it's strapped all over. You walk around with your blue. It's strapped all over. Kate's getting committed.

Bro, it's brutal. It's brutal. BFR sucks. Oh yeah, it burns. For the lower body? Oh, you want to run it. I was so surprised that Katrina wanted, she saw me doing it, she's like,

I want to try that, I'm like, okay. How was she thinking? She was like, oh my God, yeah, her legs are sore from it. People who don't know, so BFR, you essentially, you occlude a muscle by using a knee wrap. So you tie it around your upper thighs, then you do exercise. And because of the, you reduce what's called venous outflow, blood outflow, the blood pools in the muscle builds up and you essentially starve the muscle of oxygen.

And it's not a bad thing. So it's like, oh my God, you don't tie it off to the point where you lose circulation completely. But what it does is because the oxygen is depleted and the waist buildup pulls, your fast twitch muscle fibers get turned on and activated as if you're lifting heavy weight. Even though you're not doing heavy weight at all. In fact, you didn't do any weight, right?

It was like body weight. And I got sore. And I'm not that deconditioned. I've only been off of legs for- It's a really interesting, novel way to train. For rehab, it's incredible. For rehab, that's how I think. I know we played around with it years ago

when it was just becoming popular for hypertrophy in general. And I saw some benefits for it, but I really see the benefits in something like this. The fact that- Yeah, you're still limited in options. Yeah, I can't even, I mean, my hamstrings are still so weak or it's still healing that I can't do hardly anything for my legs at all, even walking aggravates it. But the fact that I could

do this BFR training and get this massive pump on my legs and even get a little sore from it as if I lifted heavy weight is pretty cool. Speaking of, yeah, walking and interesting technology, there's, did you see, and I know we've brought this up before in terms of like an Omni treadmill. Yeah. But like I hadn't seen one that was like this before, I guess, like a Disney Imagineer invented this, is the hollow tile, I guess. Doug, if you want to kind of find that and put it up there, but so they're individual motors.

So it's like it's almost like a cone shape. And so what happens is it like tilts and it goes like all these different directions, but it spins. So when you stand on it on these little tiles, like it's like you're moving and you're kind of tilting and you can go in basically any direction within like this like four by four space. And so if you're in like virtual, obviously that makes a lot of sense. But like you could even have, let's say they incorporate this into their parks where it's like, you know, they, they literally the ground moves, however they want it to move for you as you're going through. I can see them using it for all kinds of things. It's trippy. Oh wow. Look at that. It's literally like one of the coolest inventions I think that's come out in a long time. Wow. Look at that. It

just moves you like whatever direction it wants to move you. That is so cool. Yeah. I was tripping out on that. You know, this is, this can be, I mean, not just for gaming, obviously people use it for gaming stuff, but I could see how remote workers could use something like this to control machines and build You could objects you could just move them and like you could you could literally program it So it just yeah does whatever you want. What has the have you guys looked at the stats? Remember we I mean we talked a lot about it right after kovat the return to to work. What has the, have you guys looked at the stats? Remember, we, I mean, we talked a lot about it right after COVID, um, the return to, to work.

What has it landed? It's been long enough now. It's been long enough now that I feel like. I know that the, I know that federal employees, I think majority of them work, uh, one day a week at the office like that. So I know that they're going, they're trying to make it. Some of the main companies like mandated people come back. Yeah.

I know, I know a good portion, but the last I had checked and it wasn't that long ago we were still at 50%. Wow. So it was still like half the people were were remote working. I wonder if that's like I'm curious to where it's at now. Yeah and if it's gonna be going forward it's gonna be that way. I mean I know I know around here a lot of people, family members, a lot of them still work a lot from home. They still do. And that's why I see them in more areas that are remote, too, like up in the mountains,

and versus everybody having to be in the city to work. I wouldn't like it, to be honest with you, personally. I wouldn't like, well, I wouldn't like working in an office either, to be honest, I hate all of it, but I wouldn't like, I wouldn't like working in an office either to be honest, I hated all of it, but I wouldn't like being home and isolated on top of all of it, you know what I mean? I do think the blend is kinda cool. I like having a place to go, yeah.

I think the blend is cool. Especially if you have kids and stuff, I can see that. Yeah, I think the blend is, because I also appreciate going to work, being with people, the culture, you know, like the same, you talk about a gym that runs really efficiently, a business is all, is as same. Also the culture. Yeah, is as important, right, is the same, you talk about a gym that runs really efficiently. Yeah. A business is all, is as important, right? Is the culture.

And so hard to create culture over zoom, which I think is why a lot of the big companies forced or mandated the employees to come back at least half the time. Yeah. Because you just can't, it's just almost impossible to build. It gets away from you. Easy. Speaking of work, huge study, it was a long running Harvard grant study. It was launched in 1938,

it's now on its second generation of participants and it's about what kinds of things help ensure success, professional success as an adult. Like what do you do as a child that helps predict professional success? You wanna know one of the number one things is? Is it not delayed gratification? No, it's doing the chores.

It's doing chores. Interesting. If children have responsibilities at home where they feel like they're contributing. A purpose. Yes, that is a strong contributor to future professional success. This study's been running since 1938.

So it's like really good data. Yeah, it makes sense because they're being trained at a very young age to do the things that they might not necessarily want to do, but they need to do because they get it done, right? So I feel like if you've been conditioned at a very young age, I don't know necessarily if that's that great of a thing, though.

What? Well, I mean, it's just like, so all, it's like schools have done this for kids, right? Schools have conditioned you to be a nine to five employee. And so chores are also conditioning you to be this like, do what you're told type of situation. And so maybe that's what it's connected to. Well, I could see.

Is it necessarily a great thing? Sure, maybe, but I think if you're, it's a part of a different environment, like you're contributing to the family, I do it too, we do this together. Yeah. But it starts real young, like my wife's really good about this with the little ones, because look, my, you know, I have a two and a four year old, like how much are they gonna help, right? If anything, they make stuff take longer, but she's really good at getting them to like help, and I can see it, I can see the benefit in them, just because they feel like they're oh, yeah contributing

You know like they take the laundry and they take it out of the wash and put in the dryer and it takes forever But they do that's always my language with the kids is like can you guys come help me right now? You know, it's not go do this and you know, it's like yeah, I need help with this over here you know, and it totally changes the entire mood of it, but I help with this over here, you know, and it totally changes the entire mood of it. But I mean, it's still like a lot of resistance, especially now with like, uh, all the different activities with friends and, and, you know, distractions with video games or whatever else like cool thing that, you know, gets in the way. Uh, but yeah, sometimes you want to like, like, look, like you get like, you're part of the family and we need you to contribute.

And this is like your job is your assignment. This is your part that you can do. And it, it gets lost. You just gotta remind them all constantly. Yeah, totally. And there were definitely moments when I was a kid, right? You know, I didn't want to, like my dad, uh, you know, he's old school. So, you know, Saturday morning he would wake me up at like 7 a.m. I was a teenage boy, I wanna sleep in. And this is how he'd wake me up.

He'd open the door, like real loud. So I'm like, wake up, we gotta work. And he'd close the door, and I'm like, oh god. All right, here we go. It's gonna be hard work too. Yeah, I tell him, it's all cold outside work too. Yeah, I was always, all cold outside, washing his tools and oh. Do you remember how old were you, do you remember?

Oh, oh, well he was taking me to work as young as eight, but I wasn't really working, you know, I would just kind of show up and play. But when I was, by the time I was 12, 13, like I was expected to do, like I was, typically I start out by washing his tools because he worked with, you know, cement mud, that kind of stuff, so I'd have to go outside and spray things off and

get him buckets of water. And then it was like mixing cement and carrying the mud in a house and the houses we're working on. But it was, I mean, it was, yeah. Now, did he- Early as hell too. Do you remember when he first started to pay you? Did you get paid ever? The first time he paid me was when my cousin and I worked together with him and I didn't ask him. I didn't expect it. It was a summer and at the end of a week, he handed us money and we looked at him like, what's this? And he's like, you pay for work. And I was like, I don't know what to do with this. I was like, okay, thanks.

That summer was my first time ever getting paid. So I must have been 14. And my cousin and I bought BMX bikes. The money that we saved. Yeah. Harba? Which kind? Oh, Mongoose.

What was the other one? Haro? Haro, yeah. That was a big Haro. Saved up like 500 bucks. Do you remember your first purchase, your first saving up to buy something from work was? I think it was a, well, my biggest goal was to buy a truck

and it was like a total piece. But it was three summers in a row that I worked for this specific goal and And I like saved up. And then I finally bought my first 1956 GMC truck. And it was like, you know, it could run. And it was like had a 400 big block engine in there. And like, it was loud, obnoxious, and like super, way too much power.

And bolts would fly off and everything. And it was like, dude, I loved it, but it was like so dangerous. But I earned it, you know, it was like, like Sal's described, I got up at five in the morning, I like had to load trucks all day. And then, you know, do all the grunt work for everybody, every construction guy, they'd take me out and I'd have to like go under the house and fix it. And, you know, do all the grunt work for everybody, every construction guy, they'd take me out and I'd have to like go under the house and fix shit and you know, I'd have to like handle all these huge windows

and you know, it was tough work, but it was like, I knew at the end of all that, I could afford this like $3,000 vehicle, so yeah. What about you, Daniel? Mine was a stereo system, so I bought a, I still have that by the way today same stereo I still have no way and they're great as a dual cassette one no no no no I had that so it was more so the amp and the speakers that

was the most expensive part was the they were on keel amp and then DCM speakers and back then they were like the top of the line really and I had I wanted them from the previous year so I had to work a couple of years to save up. It was a couple thousand dollars for, and back then that was a lot of money. You still have it. I still have it. I still have it.

And you know, old stereo, I sold my track, this guy in Denmark. Yeah. He took it all the way over there. Yeah. Shipped it out there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those old stereos, they still sound good. Those, that speaker, they sound great. The hardest part is they've traveled so much that I know.

They're banged up. Yeah, they're pretty banged up, and the screen that goes on them, there's like a missing thing, and so they're like, I don't know, it's all. You know what's crazy about this conversation, because I'm thinking back to, whatever, memories are popping up of some of the work

that my dad would take me. One time we were at this house, it was three stories. It was a huge house. My dad was really good, so within I don't know how many years, by the time I was a teenager, he was well known for doing good stone work. So he'd do these mansions. He did Steve Wozniak's house.

That's the one. So I remember we were in this house, I don't know whose house it was, but it was a mansion, and the third story, he had to do these huge floors. So he's floating just mud on the floor. And my dad was fast. Like he would throw the mud and do it real quick.

My job was to get the mud up there before he ran out. So I'm going up and down, and I was probably 14, going up and down the three stories, three flights of stairs, holding buckets of mud. They're probably good 70 pounds each Yeah, and I had to load them bring them up Just farmer care and as soon as I bring them up the second the second the other two are empty already Oh my god

I'm going back down cuz he would dump on me exhausting back and forth back and forth back and forth all day long And I I'll yell I remembered that job. It was we did that for a while I remember getting home and I'd come home and I just sit on the couch and just fall asleep Yes, if my mom wake me in the world just dead Yeah, slinging mud has to slinging mud is definitely one of the most exhausting things that I already I remember one time At the when I worked at dairy we laid a concrete slab probably about the size of this area But we did it through wheelbarrow, right? Normally you do a slab like this, you bring in a truck and stuff like that. You just mix it in your house.

Yeah, we had a wheelbarrow, like a slab this big, and so, and I was the one mixing while he was shoveling and getting, and I was just like, all day? Oh my God, that's exhausting. It made my hands so... Digging and mixing is brutal. I got, you know, I'd get blisters,

and I remember my, you know, of course, I'd get blisters on my hands, and my dad, I didn't want to complain to my dad ever because I remember as a young kid complaining the response I'd get so I just didn't Say anything and he I remember he saw my hands goes let me see your hand He looked at it goes come here and he got he got some dried I do think there's something to be said though about and I don't know if this is super glue The stuff I know about chemicals now, I know I used to I used to love though coming home from an exhausting day at work

There's something about being all dirty and exhausted from labor. Well, that's what I was gonna say looking back How valuable is like nostalgia? I remember when I left that type of work and and there would be parts of me that would miss it. I remind myself, what are you thinking? You don't miss that. You know what I'm saying? Like you're an idiot.

You romanticize it now, but like hate it then. Yeah, exactly. In it, it was like, what am I thinking? This is terrible. But when you think back, there was something rewarding about doing something like that all day long. Being dirty. So when I was real little, when I first started going to work with him, as an eight-year-old

kid, I'm not really doing much, I'm just kind of hanging out, but I remember like when no one's looking, I'd get the cement or the glue and I'd stick it on my clothes. I want to look like him. Like put it on my pants, you know. Come home like, hey look, I worked. Yeah, whoa. It's so dirty.

What a reality, I was just outside breaking piles with a hammer in all the garbage, just having fun or whatever. But hey, like you said, like I wouldn't want to with a hammer in all the garbage, just having fun or whatever. But hey, like you said, I wouldn't wanna do it because it's so hard, but looking back, fond. Fond memories of all that. I know, I wonder too sometimes if that, was that part of my motivation to make more money

so I didn't have to do stuff like that? Like I can't remember if that's what propelled me. Did you ever have conversations with a lot of the guys you'd work with? I remember having a lot of conversations. They were always trying to talk me out of doing the work. Don't ever do this. It's like a career.

They were like, don't ever consider this. Well, I was actually so. I might do construction. Ironically, that's what turned me off from entrepreneurship. So I went through this like. Oh, because you saw. Yeah.

So initially, the first thing I ever did was the lawn mowing thing so I minor my introduction myself of Of entrepreneurship was that and that was a very positive experience now wasn't crazy money It was enough money to put some you know profit. Yeah, exactly It was it was good was profitable and it was I was like, oh, I love this Then I got the job at the dairy when I worked at the ranch and I was there for three years and it got really close with the family and I got to actually see the books right? They would pull up because I remember I remember always asking for raises Trying to get another race trying to get another race, you know from four four dollars and fifty cents all the way to seven dollars

I made made it up there in three years, right? And so like a quarter at a time. And I remember always busting my ass to try and get another raise. And I remember one time my boss finally pulled out to make me aware of how much money they were. You know what a great leadership for him to show you that. Yeah, he pulled out the P&Ls and showed me. And I remember going like, oh my god, that's all you guys make?

Yeah, and you work. He's like, yeah, I haven't taken a vacation in three years. Someone has to be here. So no vacation for three years, only make barely scraping by. And I was just like, oh my God, I don't want to be an entrepreneur. Because it looked so much better. That's what everybody thinks.

Everybody looks at businesses and thinks that. Everybody goes to a restaurant or goes to a shop. And they go, oh, freedom. It's like, nah. It was like, I got to see behind the curtain, and I went, oh, hell no, I don't want this. When I had my studio, I had my wellness studio, I had trainers that were making as much as I was,

and I was the owner. And all they had to do was pay a little rent and train their clients. And I had to manage all the coaches, the whole facility, pay the rent, the insurance, the whole deal. Now I did it because, and this is how you know you're an entrepreneur, you do it anyway

because for some reason you like it. You like that it's yours, you like the autonomy, I guess, and the control, who knows? As I say, what do you think appealed to you? For me, it's the competitiveness of it. There's a competitiveness thing. That's part of it. Not a lot of people can do it.

Yes. That's the thing that gives me the most excitement about building a business is that 80% fail, even greater. You like the stats. I do. And I love being counted out. That's why we still live in California. I mean, that's nice.

A lot of people can pull it off. Did you see that? Someone in the forum why we still live in California. I mean, that's nice. Yeah. Yeah. Ah, people can pull it off. Oh, I know. Did you see that? Someone in the forum posted the houses in San Jose with the most expensive city. The median house in San Jose, 1.3. That's so funny. Remember I told you my grandparent and both my...

I feel that. My grandparent's house sold recently. I think they bought it, and I don't remember what year, 1970-something, 60-something. They built it, and I think they bought it for, what did I say they bought it for? Was it like 40 grand or something like that?

20-something grand? Yeah. Yeah, in fact, my grandfather told me the difference between his house and the lower model house, and he's like, man, we really stretched ourselves. I think it was like 200 bucks. Like, if you look at the models,

and you know, you could get way more, it's another 200 bucks. Another 200. Yeah. God, we can't make it. Yeah, dude. Yeah, but back then San Jose was farmland. Yeah.

It was all orchards. It was all orchards and farm, in fact, San Jose was created to grow the food to feed the, I think it was the naval base, right, in San Francisco, if I'm not mistaken. Oh yeah. So it was like, it was all the farmland to grow the food.

Well, you know that Salinas right here is like some of is the best climate year-round than like any there's only like two other places that can growing. So yeah so yeah so for a lot of farmland and it's also one of the gang capitals of the world. Is it? Incompetent fact yes. I gonna make your way to Santa Cruz when I manage Jim there Hey, have you guys have you guys officially started like the Christmas stuff having like we're already watching Christmas movies are already out We're already pulling the hot chocolate. I like it's Courtney that we can do it like we can jump the Thanksgiving We can get right to the Christmas and then you know we had started bringing stuff out But the kids didn't get into it, so it's just into it so it's just not yeah I was like come on guys

I said the Christmas drinks is where I start I start with the oh god oh we did have do the organified gold juice you do that with like a either macadamia nut milk or almond milk or if you can drink dairy some whole whole milk warm that bad boy up drink it at night oh do you mix anything in it or just straight? Yeah, any like cinnamon or like any kind of nutmeg. It's like just by itself. It's good by itself. Oh yeah, and I always forget, like I sleep so good

when I drink it, because it's anti-inflammatory, it's got some relaxing herbs, and that's the point. The point of it is to drink it at night, because it helps you sleep and relax. It's a healthy, it's a very healthy anti-inflammatory drink, but it tastes so good. Yeah, I do have water. I was curious to try it.

We've actually switched milk, so I'm back to the glass bottle milk. Oh, true. Yeah, I know. You don't get the raw? Do you get raw? You know they sell raw milk. I'm trying, yeah. That's the next, I have to, I think there's this place, New Leaf, that sells it.

They have it, so it sprouts. Okay. And it's literally raw. Yeah, I'm gonna start drinking that. That's all we give our kids is raw. Really? That's it. I have it, so it sprouts. Okay. And it's literally raw. Yeah, I'm gonna start drinking that. That's all we give our kids, is raw. Really? That's it. I didn't know that.

No, my kids have never had any other, it's just raw. My daughter still drinks milk and it's raw, 100%. Oh, I didn't know that. I'm like, we drink so much of it now, and the kids are just constantly consuming, I'm like, we gotta get higher quality shit. But with the gold juice, Doug just reminded me, is buy one, get one free right now.

Yeah, for the, I mean, it's the gold chocolate. Gold chocolate. Yeah, so that's, get one free right now. Yeah, for the, I read the gold chocolate. Gold chocolate. Yeah. What was the other, is there another flavor? Yeah, there was a pumpkin one. Oh, they did do a pumpkin spice one, I forgot about that. So speaking of Christmas, you know what movie I watched with my four-year-old, because it's a good movie,

but also the animation's weird, is Polar Express. Oh yeah, Max doesn't like that one. Yeah, he's kind of weird. Is he scared? He just doesn't like it. He says it's boring. Yeah, he said it's boring? Yeah, yeah. The animation is the stuff he says right now. That's so cute that he says it's boring. That's boring. That's exactly how he says it too. No, it's boring. No, we watched it and Aurelius was a little scared of the intense moments so I had to fast forward a couple times. But then, you know, he liked it. But also when you watch it, you know,

that was when they were trying to do CGI to look like people. It just wasn't cool. I like it. I think it's... They actually acted, I feel like. Didn't they have like actors, and then they just like tried to make it like animated.

It's a great story. The Jim Carrey Christmas Carols like that too, where it's really crazy animation, where it's like almost Like surreal. Yeah, yeah, like you can tell the animation is jim carrey like it's like they did it really I mean, I think that looks cool, but he's yeah, he was like it's boring Sorry, yeah, he had a Katrina got picked him up from school and the teacher was saying like oh my god He did so so they do this thing where the every kid, I think, a week with this stuffed animal. And it's like the pet.

You've never had a teacher like that. Yeah. And then they have to document all the stuff they do with it. Here's Jimmy's germs. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah, I know. Right?

How did everybody get life? Gift. Yeah, exactly. And then at the end of the week, they have to present to their class. So then at the end of the week, they present to present to their class. So then at the end of the week, they present to the class all like they, it's a binder and you know, activities and things. Yeah. We have to take pictures of him doing things with this owl. And then at the end of the week, like he's got a, and you know,

he helps me write out what they did, how they play together, what they did, this whole sort of that. And then when they come back to pass it on the next kid, they have to stand up in front of the class and they played together, what they did, all that sort of that. And then when they come back to pass it on the next kid, they have to stand up in front of the class and they have to present what they did. That's cute. Yeah, yeah, it's really cool. But I guess the teacher was telling Katrina

when she picked it up and like, oh my God, he absolutely crushed it, he did all that sort of that. And this was, remember, this was part of the staying back, right, was to build his confidence, right? And so she was saying that, and so Katrina was all excited. And she's like, hey, so I heard you talked about,

whatever, Snacky, Snacky at school today and some of that. And he goes, yeah, yeah. She goes, so tell me, what did you tell the class? I don't remember. And Katrina's just like, I'm bored. Yeah, yeah. Over it. You're boring, Mom.

Yeah, that's it. You know what I'm saying? Really, you don't remember? No, I don't remember. Like, oh, God. Come on, kid born mom. Yeah, that's it, you know what I'm saying? Really, you don't remember it? No, I don't remember. Like, oh god. Come on, kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's hilarious, dude.

He's too much. Did you guys speak of like the lice? Did you ever get lice when you were kids? Is that, is that? Yeah, dude, one time. You did, yeah, so did I. Did you get it? No, I didn't.

You didn't get lice? That's when I got into shaving my head after that. I was like, I don't want it to mess with us. You got it as a teenager? Well, no, like in elementary school. Yeah, yeah. But I still did a shaved head buzz cut. I thought everybody had got lice when they were kids.

No, I didn't get lice. I'm surprised you guys were on a farm at one point. Yeah, maybe that's what kept me from getting lice. We had some dirty kids. Maybe they always had it. Yeah, maybe they always were living in there. It's like lioness or whatever. Dude, it's terrible.

I was the oldest of four. And so when one kid gets it, everybody gets it. And I just remember my mom just lost her mind with all of us. And had us in the tub, and we had to do it. One of my youngest siblings, I think, Sarah, Larry, nobody else, Cassie and I, I don't think, at least I don't remember if she got it.

I didn't get it. So, which is weird, right? Because it is, it's like chicken pox. Like every kid gets it eventually, or whatever. Chicken pox parties. I went to one of those, dude. You went to a chicken pox party? Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. They're like, oh, so and so has, oh yeah, hey, we're gonna go over to your friend's house. That's how we vaccinated back in the day. Yeah, yeah. And you know, when we were real little, this is kind of even more weird and creepy, but they used to do like, we'd all take a bath together.

Yeah. Yeah. Like that was like a thing. And I'm like, thanks, I don't wanna see these pictures. Anyways. You were little. I was really little, yeah. It's not like it's- You're like 15.

Creepy, creepy. Yeah. But it was always with a girl that when I came back from college, my parents were on this quest to try and get me to date whoever so andand-so's one of their friends daughter's picture It's like this is an helping Yeah, I took a shower my two little ones the other day and My son's for my daughter's too, and they thought it'd be funny to put their butts up against the glass

You know door so they're doing that the whole time. Jessica's taking pictures. Oh my God. That's mandatory. Yeah, mooning. That's cute stuff. It's all about mooning. Not to ruin this conversation and get political, but I do have a political question for you,

so I'll let you pay attention to this, Stiff. I saw, obviously everybody's been celebrating all the things and the people that Trump is appointing and stuff like that, but I saw, I believe the girl that he just appointed is the, and I saw clips of her on the news, what she's somebody who's pro giving the kids vaccines and getting that all passed.

I haven't looked too deep into it. I think that was, I think during, one of his biggest criticisms was the whole COVID situation and vaccines and stuff like that. Right, because I mean he's so proud of the whole Warp Speed thing. But you like that. Right, because he's so proud of the whole warp speed thing. But you know, I don't think, I think this would be the, I don't think at all that they're gonna try

and push this mandatory because, especially with COVID vaccines, I think right now, the data shows that only 16% of people now get COVID vaccines. That's how unpopular they are. Oh, they see commercials like crazy still about it. I think they're so unpopular that people are like, nah. Is that really?

No. If I'm not mistaken, I just saw something like that. 16%? Super unpopular. Oh, wow. Do you know in the schedule they recommend you give it to your infant? Oh my god.

Yeah, that's why. The reason why I'm bringing this up, it was less to be political and more to be like, that's just, I don't care who's in office. I don't want to see us mandated for kids to have to take it. Especially with what we know now, like what? No, dude. But I saw that he appointed that same girl

that was going around that was saying all that that they were going to mandate it for the kids. So that was an old clip for a part of the administration. I don't know how old it was though, but that's what I'm asking. I didn't watch that video, so I wasn't sure. This conversation around vaccines is getting real interesting, isn't it?

It's getting real interesting. It was like you couldn't touch that rail at all, and now a lot of questions are popping up, and it was COVID, COVID did it. Even the origin of it, yeah, it was like, okay, now we can explore the lab leak theory, and we can kind of. Yeah, say what you will about rfk and his opinions towards

Vaccines he there's things that he says that are true. Mm-hmm. Like they're like many of them are not tested on people That's it. That's true. If you look it up, that's actually true. Well, and it's just interest for them having The ability to not be sued and to have that kind of insulated shielding from, because the thing is any medicine is, there's going to be people that react negatively, it's just anything. And to be shielded from that, it's like, now all of a sudden, you just look at the schedule, it was like back in the day, it was like 17, it was like 72, something like that. Like all of a sudden, it's because they're insulated, you know, well let's come up with more products.

Like it's just from a business perspective, it's like we can just pump these out, you know, the incentive is crazy. So anyway. What's our shout out? It was... Max! Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's right, he was on the news.

Oh yeah, he's going all over the place. I've seen him on a couple interviews on the news. Yeah, I know. Have you talked interviews on the news. Yeah, dude. Have you talked to him since then? Yeah, you know, Max is great. You know, he does a really good job presenting health information. He tries, he really values being balanced.

He's cautious, he looks at data. He really tries hard to not misrepresent and not get caught up in the, it's easy when you, especially when you're being put at the front of, you know, of certain things. Like he's so well known now, it's easy to get caught up in the zealotry or the politics of opinion. And he does a really good job of trying to stay as balanced. And I know Max personally, he's a very good guy. He guy he really tries again he tries to do a good job with how he presents things. He's human but he's got really good integrity so I know he's

been on the show many times you probably know who he is but he's a great follow. Element is an electrolyte powder you add to your water no artificial sweeteners no sugar that replaces electrolytes, especially sodium. It has the right amount of sodium. Most electrolyte powders don't have enough sodium to make a difference, but Element does. So it helps with headaches, muscle cramps, fatigue, people who are sleepy and tired. It also helps with pumps. I like it for the pumps in the gym. Go check them out. Go to www.drinklmnt.com forward slash mind pump. You'll get a free sample pack with any drink, drink mix purchase by going on that link. All right, back to the show. First question is from Enzor1515. Do complex carbs help muscle soreness before a

workout? What foods do you recommend for pre-workout? There's two questions there. Potentially. The first one is muscle soreness. So a couple things we want to consider is that soreness isn't necessarily an indicator that you did a good workout. Less soreness doesn't necessarily mean it's better or worse, although too much soreness typically means you went too hard. Retrained. But the question is like, okay, how do I reduce soreness? Now studies show that there's a few things that seem to reduce the perception of soreness

or maybe even muscle damage that might contribute to soreness. Tart cherry juice is one, omega-3 fatty acids are another one, I think through the inflammation process. Protein is really the biggest one. Now here's the interesting thing with carbohydrates. This is now my own anecdote and client's anecdote. I noticed, instead of my clients, that when they went on a low carb, especially keto diet,

they were less likely to be sore. And then when they introduced carbohydrates again, the soreness started to come back. I don't know why that is. I've felt the same thing and always wondered, but I think I attribute it to my workout intensity is lower when I'd be running low. Exactly what I was going to say. Like I'm stronger, I can lift more, maybe that's what's going on when I eat the carbohydrates.

That's what I think too. Yeah. But I do notice it, right? I notice it too. No, no, no. I noticed that. But I think again, I think I was low calorie, low carb, and so then I wasn't training as intensely as I was when I was loaded up on carbs. Cold and hot water contrast is actually pretty good when you're already sore. So it's like 30 second minute cold water

to 30 seconds a minute hot water. And that actually makes a significant difference in that kind of perception of soreness. But we place too much value on soreness as some kind of indicator of a successful workout. I used to think that it meant I had a good workout. When in reality, really I just, especially as I started training clients and got more experienced, it was a gauge that we might have done too much. But other than that, it really didn't tell me anything, aside from, again, we overdid it.

Is it all like retaining a bit of fluid too for like your joints in terms of like just having pain as opposed to? Yeah, I think too, if you have poor inflammatory, if your inflammatory system is more towards inflammation, like your fatty acid profile isn't great, like more omega-6s than you should have. Yeah, or ramped up inflammation.

Then you'll just be sore and achy more often anyway. That's why I said omega-3s and tart cherry juice, both have shown that. As far as like what to eat pre-workout, I'll tell you what the studies show, and then I'll tell you why, who cares. The studies show that people perform their best when they have some protein and carbohydrates about an hour before they work out, tend to perform as.

Now here's why I say, who cares? I don't like eating. I like to work out fasted. I've had clients that like to train fasted, they feel better. This is always for me is an individual thing. It's like, do they feel better. This is always, for me, is an individual thing. It's like, do you feel better when you eat before? Then do so. If you feel better when you don't, then do that as well.

Doesn't make a big difference. I also think the point that you made about soreness is probably the most important point to this question, is if you're asking about what foods to eat to reduce soreness, I would actually peer more into my programming than I would worry about the nutritional side Right. Yeah, good good point. So if you're if you find yourself really sore and you're like, oh what foods say? Well, wait a second like you shouldn't be that sore

I mean, uh, I mean I I always want to feel like I worked out the day before and like no like, okay I I worked that muscle out but I don't want to be sort of the touch out the day before and like, no, like, okay, I worked that muscle, but I don't want to be sort of the touch. I don't want my movement to be off. Like if I, if I'm so sore that I have kind of a, a limp, you know, or, or I'm like stiff and like, or just like opening up my chest, I'm like, Oh, I mean, that's, that's just way too sore. You shouldn't, you're over training at that point.

That's a, so there's this happens more often than not, like, you know, if you're continuously getting sore. Exactly. Instead of just some novel stimulus that you, you know, introduced. That's a problem. Yeah, like changing your workout will often induce some soreness the first week or so.

I mean, for me and for my clients, the best results I ever had and my clients ever had, they typically would rarely feel soreness. It was like a little bit at most. That's when you know you're like just hitting it right. That's right. Next question is from Kevin O.G. Will circuit training group classes still be beneficial and muscle building if a person isn't super fit and they still get sore from it? So the soreness part, let's get that out. We already kind of addressed that. But if you if you're super sedentary and out of shape,

almost any activity will induce a little bit of muscle growth, right? So somebody who sits down all day long does nothing. They could go for walks and they'll get a little bit of muscle growth from the walks. But the effect is so limited and so small that you'll get some effect and then it stops, right? So like yoga, Pilates, circuit training, will it build muscle and strengthen somebody who's totally

deconditioned? Yeah, but then it stops very quickly because it's not a good, it is not a muscle building form of exercise. It isn't sending a signal that says get stronger beyond a certain point and that point is very, very, circuit training is endurance. It's lots of very, very, circuit training's endurance. It's lots of stamina, lots of endurance. Now if you're not strong enough to do the circuit training, you'll get some strength, but then after that it's all about stamina and endurance,

and you're not gonna benefit. And so really the muscle building effect, if you're looking for that, and you probably should, because that's where you get all the longevity and health benefits and the metabolism boosting effects, is going to be strength training. Whatever muscle building effect you do get from circuit training, you get a faster, more effective muscle building effect from a far less intense form of exercise that resembled more like strength and traditional strength training.

This is the unfortunate bias of being a novice lifter is almost any new stimulus is going to send you in the positive or right direction, even if it's subpar or not ideal. This is why I think a lot of people get trapped in a modality, right? Like they were a couch potato, they were eating like crap, they weren't doing any exercise, they showed up to their Orange Theory class, and all of a sudden they feel way better in four weeks than what they felt previously.

And it's like, that's not a sign of a good workout program. It's a sign of you were inactive, making a lot of poor food choices, a lot of poor movement choices. Now you're moving and now you're probably eating better. Now all of a sudden you, but it's not that program or that, that exercise routine that's really good for you. And I think this happens to a lot of people and the, and it's hard to convince that person

that did whatever said modality, not to just pick on orange theory. It could be a whole bunch of different things. I mean, how many beach body people are out there training beach body programs? Those are terrible. And so that's what happens is they see some sort of results and they think it's ideal or good for them,

but then they quickly hit a plateau and then getting them beyond that is what's really different Yeah, it would be like, you know, you're gonna gain some endurance from strength training too But it's drink drink is an endurance form of exercise You'll gain some flexibility from from walking if you never walk, but you're not gonna gain much, right? So if you want muscle building like pick the right tool for the. And that's just traditional strength training. It's not circuit training. Next question is from Stephers in progress. Will you be sharing more about the outcomes for the GLP one group you've been

coaching? I would love to hear more about how it went. Well, it'll help if you ask specific questions. Um, in general, uh, it was a great experience for us. I think We saw a whole range of different body types ages sex like I think Different weights right people that were way way overweight. Some people were just mildly overweight So I think it was an incredible learning experience for us I think I said this last time that GLP one was brought up. I think the one common theme that I

noticed amongst all of them was that at some point in time, the inevitable would happen and they would need to reverse diet. Right? I think that was the common theme. The common theme was whether you lost 50 pounds, even though we had to be lost over 100 pounds, we had some people lost only eight pounds, like all these, all these different people. But the common theme amongst all of them is they all eventually hit this

plateau where they're really, really low calorie and the body is just not responding to anymore. Yeah, it's holding still. And the inevitable is they have to reverse diet out. One of the most, the biggest truth with the group, the GLP-1 group is the same truth with any group that's trying to improve their health or fitness and that is that it won't do the work for you.

You still have to do the work. So although the GLP-1 brought down the appetite and cravings for these people, if they didn't incorporate strength training, if they didn't try to target protein, if they didn't reverse diet when appropriate, the results were limited. Or the results were not what they wanted. Oh, I lost 30 pounds, oops, 12 pounds of it was muscle.

And the reverse diet part, you know, that we anticipated, but I didn't realize it would be so necessary. And that's because you drop your calories substantially, especially if you don't combine it with strength training, and especially if you don't come from a place where your metabolism is already fast, you're gonna hit a hard plateau because your body will adapt to what you're consuming,

what you're taking in, however low it is, and then you have nowhere to go. In other words, if you're obese and you're currently eating on average, I don't know, 2,000 calories a day, and you need to lose 80 pounds, and then you go on a GLP-1 and it crushes your appetite, so now you're eating 900 calories,

you know, you're gonna lose 40 pounds. Some of it's gonna be muscle. A lot of it will be muscle if you don't strength train. If you strength train and eat high protein, you'll offset that, but let's say you don't, you just take it. Now you're eating 900 calories, you lost 40 pounds, guess what's gonna happen?

Your body's gonna stop losing weight, and then you're stuck. Now I'm eating 900 calories, do I eat less? Do I increase my dosage and eat less? No, of course not because now you're not eating essential nutrients and you're going to cause yourself some problems. So in that perspective, then you have to reverse

diet, build muscle, speed up your metabolism so we can start the fat loss process over again. So for me, doing this really confirmed what we knew, which is a lot of people think this is going to be a magic bullet solution. A lot of work is necessary with it. It's just, it's a tool like any other tool, but you still have to do the work. You still have to address certain things.

Otherwise you're going to hit a real strong plateau and then be in a really terrible place where you're stuck with this low caloric intake, slow metabolism, and I still have 20, 30 pounds to lose. I mean, the real benefit from what we already even anticipated was that it just helps to break you free of some of these patterns that you get stuck in. You know that it's less ideal for me to constantly crave these foods and to be above a certain calorie amount. And it's helpful in that regard with allowing you to not have those strong sensations towards that. I would say that was probably the,

nothing was surprising. I don't think there was anything that one of us were like surprised at all. So there was definitely nothing surprising, but one of the things that was most interesting to me was the amount of people that had a story of how it like, man, I have, I don't crave that thing ever anymore. I don't think about it all the time.

Yeah, I mean, to see that many clients say something like that were something that they know they battled with, you know, snacking, addictive behaviors around cigarettes, drinking. I mean, you name it, we had it in that group. And it seemed to like across the board, everybody go like, I just don't even care. It's like, it's like taking the volume on that, that loud noise and turning it way down. That's what a lot of them would say. Yes. And then it puts them in a position to where

now they can develop new behaviors and relationships to these things. That was for me, it's like that confirmed that. Like okay, if you use this to get you to a different place that then you can maintain on your own and you do the work necessary, it could be a very valuable tool. If you don't, it'll just be something you take

for the rest of your life. I think if you were to ask them, I mean we were really pleased with the response. In fact, our very last call was very humbling. Everybody kind of went around and just thanked us for the time and the opportunity to be a part of that group. I think that if they didn't know before, they definitely realized in that the importance of the,

you know, guidance slash counseling, paired with also a medical professional who's manipulating the dose based off of it, I think that becomes paramount to the success of somebody who takes the GLP-1 is one, working with a physician who is in a position or able to recommend the different dosages and not just some generic here, go take this. And then also paired with either a therapist or a very well-versed trainer or coach who can communicate the behavioral aspect and the psychological side to the client.

I think those things paired together really set these people up for a lot of success. I felt that from that group, but I think that's going to be necessary for these people that if you think you're going to hop on a GLP-1 and it's just going to magically take you there and it's going to be easy cruising, then you're going to get off of it. You're going to be in this perfect weight you always wanted. I think there's a lot more to it than just that. Next question is from Lori Madel. Any plans to make some sort of online registry for coaches so that listeners

can find coaches in their area that listen to mind pumps? You know, that in the forum. Yeah. Okay. So let's talk about this for a second because, um, we've been on air now for, for 10 years and, um, our origin was as trainers. Like we trained people, we worked with people for years and years and years, decades, and we didn't touch trainers and coaches in terms of services or courses or anything for a long

time precisely because these were, this is one of the most important groups of people to us and if we ever approach this, we want to do a really good job and we know how valuable they are, we know the impact they have on people and so it took us a long time and stage one was introducing a course for coaches and trainers that teaches coaches and trainers how to be effective,

how to truly be effective. Now it's not a certification like other certifications, you're not gonna learn biomechanics, you're not gonna learn the X's and O's because you're already doing that through your other certs. This was like, how do you build your business and how do you be effective? How can you be effective with your clients?

How can you build a career around coaching and training? And how can we create kind of this narrative where the best trainers rise to the top? And that's where we started, but that's not where we're stopping. The idea is to place a lot of focus on this. This is the upcoming year, is we're gonna place a lot of focus

on working with and developing trainers and coaches because up until now, there really isn't, there isn't a criteria or an organization. You can say you're a trainer and people can ask you a bunch of questions, but there's no like, are you a trainer for this or do you have this course? And then people just know like, oh, they're going to be good. And that's what we want.

We want to, what this person is asking, we want to provide that. We want to create a way for people to know that they're going to work with a trainer and they're going to be good. That they're going to have the same understandings and beliefs and philosophies around fitness and nutrition that we promote on the podcast, that they'll do things the right way. And that this person is concerned with getting them long-term sustainable success, not short-term, not fads, but like this person understands what really works and what works long-term. So that's the goal.

So online registry-wise, we have a forum for trainers. We are just started, and this is really in its infancy, we just started having trainers do online coaching under the MindPump umbrella, but it's gonna grow. It's a big focus for us. Yeah, so a couple things. One, in the MindPump private forum, Helen has comprised a list

of all the trainers. A spreadsheet. Yeah, a spreadsheet that has from all the different states and where they're all at. And then to Sal's point, we're obviously trying to cultivate that in-house too, right? So, which also is, explains the philosophy behind why we have an open and closed enrollment. You know, the idea is to not just be constantly be selling these courses, but to bring on a handful of trainers at a time, bring them in into the culture, help develop them, make sure that they're doing a good job.

Then when we feel confident in that group, we open up enrollment again, bring more trainers in. And so the idea is that we're not just sending this course out and then leaving these trainers be, but that we kind of hold their hand through this process to help scale them up to be not only successful trainers, but really good trainers that service people in that, uh, that we're proud of to carry the, the mind pump name.

And so that's a big focus this it's been this year and coming next year will be a lot of where we put a lot of our attention. So, and if you're not already following Mind Pump Kyle, Kyle is, you know, heads up that department. So if you want information regarding the trainers and stuff like that, that's the person to talk to. There you have it. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram.

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