Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2488: If You’re Not Building Muscle, This is Why (Listener Coaching)

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: If you’re not building muscle, this is why. (1:39) Kids say the sweetest things. (10:11) The more you give, the more you get. (10:54) The direct correlation between your wife’s happiness and bedtime schedule with your partner. (22:29) Is having a child easier than having a dog? (25:19) The benefits of grass-fed meat for athletes. (38:23) The longest recorded fast. (40:54) Why you should consider changing your cookware. (43:27) The Billy Corgan/Bill Burr connection. (47:10) Can women smell if a man is single? (49:39) Shout out to @socialcapofficial. (52:28) #Quah question #1 – How do you know if a lagging body part isn’t growing because you’re doing too much or because of other factors? (55:46) #Quah question #2 – Is there any real science behind compression shirts, leggings, etc.? (58:47) #Quah question #3 – If you’ve seen the same trainer multiple times at the gym giving poor advice or allowing poor form, would you eventually say something? (1:01:05) #Quah question #4 – I’m 21 years old. What would you tell your 21-year-old self financially, spiritually, physically, and mentally? (1:03:38) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer!  ** New users will receive 2 lbs. of grass-fed and finished ground beef in every box for the LIFETIME of their subscription + $20 off. ** Visit Our Place for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout to receive 10% off sitewide. Our Place is having its holiday sale right now! Save over 35% on your order now through January 12. ** December Promotion: MAPS Aesthetic | MAPS Symmetry 50% off! ** Code DECEMBER50 at checkout ** Mind Pump #1762: Tony Robbins – Life Transforming Breakthroughs in Precision Medicine Couples sleep in sync when wife is satisfied with their marriage The True Story of a Man Who Survived Without Any Food For 382 Days It seems that Billy Corgan's possible half brother Bill Burr had no time for The Smashing Pumpkins Is Justin Trudeau Fidel Castro's Son? - Snopes.com Single people smell different, according to science - Newsweek Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code 25MINDPUMP at checkout for 25% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01® Daily Synbiotic** Mind Pump #1745: How to Pack on Muscle to Your Lagging/Stubborn Body Parts The Millionaire Next Door: The Surprising Secrets of America’s Wealthy Stop Working Out And Start Practicing – Mind Pump Blog Building Muscle with Adam Schafer – Mind Pump TV Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Tony Robbins (@tonyrobbins)  Instagram Bishop Robert Barron (@bishopbarron)  Instagram Tyler | Finance & Wealth (@socialcapofficial) Instagram Ben Pakulski (@bpakfitness) Instagram Arthur Brooks (@arthurcbrooks) Instagram  

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Also, we have a sale going on this month on some workout programs. Maps aesthetic and Maps symmetry both 50% off. If you're interested go to mapsfitnessproducts.com and then use the code December50 for the discount. Alright here comes the show. Look if you're not building muscle we know what the problem is. Here's why. You guys wanna guess? Why? We do. I guess we're clairvoyant. We're not lifting. No, these are gonna be, obviously,

Your program sucks. Why ours? 100%. Is that what the pitch is? Kind of. I like it. Okay, so when you think of all the reasons why people are not building muscle,

all the times you guys had a client come to you, hire you, and their challenge was, I'm working out. Obviously, if you're not lifting weights, you, and their challenge was, you know, I'm working out. I'm doing what I'm, what I'm, obviously if you're not lifting weights, that's why you're not building muscle, but they are working out, they're coming to you, and they're like, it's not working. What is happening? What are the most common reasons why? Most common for, if someone has reached the point where they're reaching out to me, that means they've already exhausted their own resources, tried to figure out themselves, and more likely than not, the

over application of intensity. Always. Yeah. Almost always. Doing too much. Number one, I would say. Too much intensity. It's like go to failure, go crazy every set, push myself, and then what ends up happening when they when they plateau is they push that even harder. They push even more feeling like, okay well I think I need to work out harder to make this happen, and they get really, really flabbergasted when their progress doesn't just plateau but go backwards. This is often when people hire me. They'd come to me and say, I plateaued for a while, I'm going backwards and I don't

know what's happening. It was almost always too much intensity. I would ask them questions about their workouts. What's funny about this one, someone listening to this or watching this might be like, what are you talking about? Literally, you could try this yourself. If you've been working out for a while and you're not building muscle anymore, take your sets, cut the intensity down by 30%,

and within a week, you tend to see gains come back. You start to see strength and muscle gains. So that's gotta be the first one. The second one that I would see was that people, and this is tied to the first one, was that people treat lifts not like skills. In other words, they do a bench press and the idea is I'm just gonna make my chest hurt. Most people approach exercise like a form of punishment. Yes. And judge their workout based off of how sore

or how hard and difficult it was. Which is so opposite to reap the most benefits. If you walked in and approached it like you approach any other skill or craft you're trying to get good at in your life, which is you're not doing that, you're not trying to kill yourself learning a new skill, you're trying to improve it and fine tune it

and practice it and frequently, right? I think if you approach your lifts that way, you would reap far more rewards from it. Yeah, so I like to use examples of other skills that I think translate a little easier for people. So it's like imagine going up to, you go up to a golf tee, and you have your golf club, and you swing at the ball,

and you hit it, and then an expert comes up and says, let me help you out. What he's probably not gonna say is swing harder. They're probably not gonna say, oh, the reason why you're not hitting it harder or further is because you just need to swing much harder. What they're probably gonna do is look at your technique, and what you'll find is when you swing the club with better technique

You hit much further with less intensity with less effort. It's the technique This is true for exercise as well when you look at an exercise like a deadlift or a squat or a press or whatever there's a value that you can get from it a Muscle building value that you can get from it that is directly connected to how well you perform the skill of that lift. But people don't know that. They think that these exercises are just a means to an end. This is a shoulder exercise, this is a quad exercise, this is an exercise for my back.

Not realizing that, the skill and how they perform the skill is really what translates to the gains. So when you go to the gym, instead of thinking hit back, hit chest, hit shoulders, think perfect the deadlift, perfect the squat, perfect the bench press, perfect the overhead press. And then when you practice them like skills, suddenly you progress.

Suddenly you start to see the strength and muscle gains. And that was a big one for me, telling my clients, when you go to the gym, I don't want you to work out your body parts anymore. just get better at the skill of those lifts and everybody got great results from that. What's the last one? Too much volume. Too much volume. In fact we just had a caller earlier who now she her question was why she wasn't building muscle but she didn't tell us this was a follow-up she actually called us back to tell us what happened but but she didn't tell us that she was also at the same time simultaneously struggling with

fertility. Nonetheless, our advice to her to build muscle was to, she was doing four or five spin classes a week, she was an instructor. She was also lifting five days a week, eating 2,000 calories a day. We took her lifting from five days a week to three days a week. We bumped her calories and we had her take her spin classes down to once a week. And she suddenly saw incredible progress,

of course, since she also got pregnant. Because her body responds to all that. And it was because she was just doing too much, not allowing, when you think of the effects of strength training, imagine a light switch, you just gotta turn the light on. Allow that signal to happen and then leave it alone so the adaptation process can happen.

Yeah, otherwise you're just healing. I mean, you're introducing, I think there's this common misconception that we really need to break the muscles down. I feel like that message is somewhat flawed. It's like we gotta find that right dose. We gotta find that right amount that stimulates this muscle response and we keep you anabolic,

but we're not just healing from that. Now we're actually building and replenishing and recovering. And now the next time I go to introduce, I'm stronger than I was previous to that, and my body's now building and providing that muscle in response. Yeah. This one goes hand in hand with the first one. I just think that volume intensity tend to be the number one reason why people have stalled progress or aren't building muscle more. I also

think this highlights why Maps 15 was such a banger for us. When you look back at all of our programs and the launches, that program has and continues to outperform. And the feedback that we get is, oh my god, I can't believe how incredible this program is. And most people think that, oh, that's not enough for me. That's too little volume. And the opposite is true. And I think that's the reason why it's doing so well

is because I think a lot of people listen to the show, hear us about this and go. Okay. Well, let me give this a try They give it a try and be low and behold within weeks They're already seeing progress and change by cutting their workout like in half and also or more and they're seeing tremendous results What would you say is the percentage you guess of people that are either? Underdoing it or overdoing it. Yeah, so guess of people that are either under doing it or over doing it Yeah, so there's people who are consistent who are consistently working out and not getting progress a majority of them are overdoing it Yeah, the under doing it crowd is the inconsistent. They're there but like I would just say that's a very small minority Yeah, it's the ones that aren't in the gym. Yeah, probably they're not even there and they're not listening to a podcast like this

Yeah, like if you were a chronic underdoer, you're probably not listening to that. You're not hitting too much intensity. You're not listening to a fitness podcast for your information and trying to learn, trying to get better. It's typically the people, so people listening to this, you're more likely to fall in the category

of the ones that are over applying intensity and volume. The people that aren't even listening to this are the ones that don't need to hear that message. Yeah, you gotta just go do something. Yeah, those ones are. You know, I like to use this example, I've used it before, just to kind of illustrate how the body adapts.

But, you know, getting a callus on your skin is a similar form of adaptation, right? So, when you get a callus, it's typically because you've irritated your skin in some way, and then what your skin does is it tries to build a callus to prevent any damage from happening in the future. So if I take a piece of sandpaper and rub the top of my hand and break some of the skin down first that skin needs to heal and then what it does is it adds an extra layer or

two of skin and it starts the callus yeah it starts to build the callus or the callus building process but imagine if I just rub the hell out of my skin, make myself bleed, and then tomorrow do it again, and then tomorrow do it again, and then the day after do it again. And I just continue to do that. Bleed, bleed, bleed. Or I let the skin heal, but then I rub it off real quick

and don't allow my body to build that extra, or add the extra layer or two, and start the adaptation process. What happens when you go to the gym? So, you know, if you're working out consistently and seeing consistently no progress, it's definitely probably one of those things. Anyway.

I gotta tell you something so sweet that my son said to me this morning. This morning? Yeah, so, God, sometimes your kids will do something that just hits you, it gets you emotional. Because they say something so cute. So we're making pancakes this morning, and we're hanging out.

You know, I typically will make them breakfast in the morning, and every once in a while they say something sweet cute. So we're making pancakes this morning and we're hanging I you know I typically will make him breakfast in the morning and every once while I say something sweet to me or whatever and this morning He says, you know, I said he goes but Paul you going to work today I said, yeah, and he goes I can always I could still feel your heart even though when you're at work That's like brand of a homework. I know man, I'm like what'd you say? Say that again, that was the sweetest, that's so cute. I mean sometimes they don't even gotta say anything, dude. Just sometimes the way they look at you

or the things they do, I swear. Oh man, nothing will get you like that. Nothing will get, speaking of like sweet stuff and whatever, I was looking up some incredible data on the benefits of charity, of giving. And I didn't realize there was so much data to support it. So the spiritual practices always talk about how, you know, the more you give, the more you get, or how good it is to give, and how you need to give, or help others, and that type of stuff. I remember when we interviewed Tony Robbins, who obviously this guy's extremely successful. Some accounts

have him as a billionaire, other accounts say he's maybe worth half a billion. Anyway, extremely successful guy. This guy consults world leaders and celebrities and he's very, very well known. I remember when we talked to him, we asked him what was one of the number one keys to success and he said, the more I give, the more I get. He goes every single time, the more I give, the more I get. He goes, every single time, the more I give, the more I get. And it stuck with me. One day I was looking up data today on this and there's studies that show just how powerful this is.

So, number one, the way that our brain can experience happiness sometimes is tied to novelty or excitement, like you'll do something and it's exciting but then if you do that same thing over again it loses that effect. So you seek out novelty. That doesn't happen with giving. No. Every single time you give, even if it's the same amount, the same place, as long as it's voluntary, you get that novel effect in the brain that shows that. They also did studies on, for example, I'll tell you a study they did with some individuals

on receiving or giving massages. So they had individuals either receive three massages a week or give three massages a week to infants. So they would go to these like, these NICU wards or whatever and massage the infants. the positive effects the the positive chemical release hormone release and Subjective feelings of happiness were far happier or higher. I should say when they gave the massage then when they received it and then I found data on

on money. And once you've reached your needs, like I have my house, your basic needs, if you're looking at, and I like to position it this way because as I'm reading this I'm like, how would I position that? If you ask somebody like, okay why do you want more money? First they'll say, well I have my bills, I have to pay for rent. I say, well beyond that, why do you want more money? First they'll say, well, I have my bills, I have to pay for rent, and they'll say, well, beyond that, why do you want more money? Ultimately, it boils down to what?

I wanna be happier, right? So, oh, I wanna buy this thing, or I wanna do that. Well, why, why, why? Because I wanna be happier. Well, when you look at the data on how much happiness you can get from money, it's far more cost effective to give than it is to spend it on yourself. That's an interesting way to look at it. So you're far better off, it's far more cost effective to give than it is to spend it on yourself. That's an interesting way to look at it.

So you're far better off, let's say you have an overflow of $10,000 a year as your overflow after you've covered your expenses. I could go out and buy myself a toy for $10,000. That's right. Or I could give away a thousand and get this equal amount of return in a sense. That's right, that's right. That's interesting. So there's studies that show that beyond your basic needs being met, give away a thousand and get this equal amount of return in a sense. That's right. That's right.

That's interesting. So there's studies that show that beyond your basic needs being met, if you add $100,000 to your income, your happiness will go up like 1% maybe, 1 or 2%. It's significantly higher if you took that money and gave it for the benefit of the good man. I wonder if they're measuring that biochemically or what are they? All of it. All the metrics. All of it. I wonder if they're measuring that like biochemically or they like what are they all of it all the metrics all of it all of it they can find they can measure this and the data that I've seen I bet a lot of chemically but also subjective I bet you I bet you if they've actually measured it to that

level then it looks kind of like this like I bet initially they look very similar right like that you go out because you go out and buy the new toy or the thing that's $10,000. You're sure you get a spike. I bet you have a big spike cause it's novel, it's new, you wanted it, you got it. But I bet it's got a steep drop off. You are 100% absolutely. Right. Steep drop off. You're like after you've had it for six months, now it's sitting in

the garage. You don't even play with it. You don't even do anything with it anymore. You're over it and it's flatlined where the thing that you gave may not have as high of a spike at first but it consistently stays or grows because I can think about things that I've done for people say five years ago and it still makes me feel good. Isn't that crazy? And it's five years old and I can look back and go like I remember that was cool and it gives me joy. You hit the nail on the head. There was there's several studies on this by the way, not one, but one that I'm looking at shows that people who, the self-reported happiness from people

who spent money on themselves had a steady decline in happiness over a five-day period. But the happiness that they received from giving it or to other people or helping other people with it did not fade. So from a cost-effective standpoint, if you have enough money for yourself and you're secure, right?

So you take care of your family, you're secure, everything's fine, and you're like, well, what am I gonna do with this money? I wanna improve my happiness. The data shows, unequivocally, that using it to help others will give you far greater return than using it on yourself. That's interesting.

Isn't that incredible? So we're literally hardwired, whether you believe it from an evolutionary standpoint or from a spiritual standpoint, we are hardwired to do this, and you know, Bishop Barron referred to this as spiritual physics. Oh, physics, I thought you were gonna say economy, yeah.

No, spiritual physics, he said. The more you give, the more you fill yourself up, the more you empty yourself. It's one of those things too that if you have an experience that you just have to do it because I think I think I remember like I Had a hard time with that initially like that feeling because I always felt like I needed more I needed more I needed more And it that this is how the whole Christmas thing started for me, and this has been now I don't know 15 years maybe more, that I've been doing that consistently.

And I remember just like, you know what, I need to do this this year. I just felt compelled that I need to do it. And then I think what kept me doing it was that, was how good it felt and how I remember like, you know, the next year coming up, like oh, just thinking about last year was like, that gave me so much joy and fulfillment

that it's became like a thing that I've done every single year. By the way, if it's required, you don't get the same. Oh no, different. I mean, I learned that as a kid when you had like, I mean, my mom asked many times for my sister and I's help and need with- And you felt obligated.

Oh God, and that actually created animosity and resentment and begrudgingly gave her money to like, help out with food, groceries, and bills. Oh God and that actually created animosity sure resentment and you know and Begrudgingly gave her money to like help out with food grocery bills totally different When I can surprise someone and tell like a brother or something like that Hey, I got you Let me take care of your bill like this because I chose to do it versus feeling like I've been asked or expected to do Isn't that wild? Yeah, totally. It It's so wild that, and it's interesting because I like data because I think data sells it to the science person, right? To the person who's like, well, it's like, hey, listen, if you want to actually improve the quality of your life, the data shows that this is one of the most effective ways that you could do it, is by simply

reaching out and then also think of it this way right because I said when it's required the data shows it doesn't produce that right so now think of a society where you're taxed so heavily and it's all forced or whatever versus society where people are encouraged more and they do participate more in in charitable giving and then the feelings that that produces in them it I believe, I believe it's not a far stretch to consider that those people are gonna be more productive, they're gonna be more entrepreneurial, they're gonna be more innovative,

and they're going to be just better for the world at large because of those joyful feelings that they produce. Isn't that one of the arguments from the libertarian view is that if we allow, instead of government coming in and deciding where we're gonna put our money to help that, we have enough people that would, enough good people that know that or feel that or understand that that would come together and then solve a lot of those needs

that we're supposedly hiring government to go do. And it's not, you know, and it's funny too because they talk about this happiness feeling and it's not an ego filled like yeah, I'm cool. It's more of this like it's a long lasting. The part to me that was crazy was that the novelty effect remained. So like anything you do that makes you feel fun or happy or whatever, anything, almost

anything you do loses its effect when you do it repeatedly. This is why people will be like, you know, you'll see wealthy people, they'll buy expensive car, or they'll go into whatever, and it's like, it just doesn't do it for me anymore type of deal, right? But giving the same effect every single time. They even showed a study where if you gave the same amount to the same charity, so nothing changed, there was nothing novel about it,

that people had the same positive, self-reported feelings of happiness. I wonder how much that all changed too individually, like how some of us, I mean, I'm even thinking about like how, like I know you of all of us are probably the least materialistic or care about this or like that. Like how much that plays in effect.

Like I still definitely think I get a lot of joy from some things that I buy for myself. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't get me wrong, like I love to give, but I also enjoy getting some shit too. So just being honest, where I feel like you don't really get that. I feel like you're robbed of that and feel so bad for you. No, there's definitely things I enjoy. Do you?

Yeah. You know what it is? I grew up really, I don't know how much of a role this plays in, but I grew up very secure with, even though we weren't, I mean, we struggled. Yeah, but I feel like your brother's so opposite of you than that. He likes those things. He's now reached the point where he's like me now.

Oh, he has? Yeah, because he reached the level of success. Oh, that's interesting, because he wasn't like that. No, no, but he's reached the level of success now where I think he sees it, and he's a dad now. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, we grew up, my dad supported a big family, blue collar, so it's not like we had all this money

or whatever, but we always felt secure. It was never like, I always felt secure. It was always stable. We never moved. We had the same house. Yeah, they never made you feel like they were struggling to get by. Yeah, so I could see how that would become an issue.

Like, if we got evicted, moving, whatever. I could see how like, no, I need to hold onto this type of deal. So I don't know, I don't know how much of a role that plays in it. I definitely enjoy some things, but yeah, I think it's pretty cool. It's pretty awesome data to look at and cite because I think it sells it well to the person

who's listening to try it for themselves. Like try it out yourself and see. That would be my suggestion. Just go do something, even if it's small, and see how you feel. And I think the proof is in the pudding with someone. Yeah, and then that feeling is addicting, but not in a bad way, in a good way.

And you find yourself doing it. And I wonder, my point of why I was bringing that up about me and kind of tongue and cheek about how I love buying myself something was more to say, I wonder if you, because you care even less about that, do you get even more fulfillment from that than I do? Because I definitely get it, and I can attest to that, right?

It's the reason why I do some of those things. But I also still really enjoy doing stuff. If someone like you who's just like, I really don't need, want anything, I'm okay, then finding something like that is like, holy crap, this is like the holy grail for me, because I don't even like buying myself something but I really enjoy this. You know what's cool about this data too is that the question used to be do happy

people give more to charity or is giving to charity what's making people happy? There was that argument for a while well happy people just give more that's why no no they control for that so now there's lots of studies that show it is not that happy people give more. It is that giving makes you happy, which is- You know, speaking of happy and studies, I sent one over to Doug so he can read it so I don't like fumble it around or with that. But it was, there's, did you know there is a direct correlation between your wife's happiness

and her bedtime schedule with you? What? Yeah. I think that's really, I thought that's really fascinating yeah can you read it yeah so according to research studies have shown that couples who are more satisfied in their relationships tend to have more synchronized sleep schedules meaning they wake up and fall asleep at similar times with a particular correlation found where a wife's marital satisfaction is linked to greater sleep

synchronicity with her husband. Essentially, when a woman feels more satisfied in her relationship, she's more likely to align her sleep schedule with her husband's. That makes sense. It does, right? It makes sense because I can imagine like kind of an angry wife, you know,

she's like, go to bed so I can just have some time alone. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. No, I know that. I have friends who like they stay up past so they can have their alone time, what they're doing while they go to bed so I could just have some time alone. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. No, I know that. I have friends who like they stay up past so they can have their alone time, what they're doing while they go to bed. And that's never been okay with Katrina.

Katrina's always like, I don't think there's, I can't maybe count on one hand how many times we did not go to bed at the same time. Oh Jessica gets mad if I just go upstairs three minutes before her. Because I'll start walking upstairs, she'll come up and be like, why don't you wait for me? She gets like, I'm gonna will do it at the same time.

Are you guys like that too? Yeah. I just thought that was interesting. Getting up's a little different though. Yeah. Because of schedules, like I don't know. I'm just, I'm way less. Who waits up first?

Well she's just boop up, you know. That's Katrina too. It just takes me forever to just get moving. I mean, I try to get up when she gets up, and I'm just like very slow, slow to move. Are you sensitive to lights right out the gates too? I mean, yeah. Lights help me get up.

We've learned to like, I used to do the whole curtains and everything super dark and all that, but then I could not even get up. So we don't even do that. I don't even have, some of my doors, they don't even have curtains anymore. And it's just like the natural light finally kind of like helps with that.

So yeah, I've had to work on that. I will literally, because my wife's very sensitive to light in general, but especially in the morning when she first wakes up, if I shine a bright light on when she wakes up, it'll ruin her entire day. Oh yeah, she'll get, like literally will cause central nervous system like'll ruin her entire day. Oh yeah, she'll get, it literally will cause

central nervous system overload for her entire day. So it's like everything stays very dark. In fact, she wakes up every morning now, she comes downstairs, she has a study Bible that she reads, and it's candlelight. So it's like she wakes up and she's- Who's up, you're up first, you're up early. We, now, these days we both wake up

right around the same time. Yes, you know, sometimes she wakes up before me, and sometimes both wake up right around the same time Yes, you know sometimes she wakes up before me and sometimes I wake up before her. I guess it's it's pretty depends Yeah, yeah, she's always so she was both with you and wakes up before you Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean she's always been amazing with that We have we actually got into this funny like family Discussion over the weekend with everyone down for the holiday and so with that then they were talking about We I made a comment that having a child is easier than having a dog And it was my nephew and his his wife who just really believed that dude. Yeah, definitely Yeah, yeah having a child is easier than having a dog. Yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah, are you talking?

I definitely think so. I can't believe you're're a parent. You said really? Yeah, I do. I think so. I think, I think. How? Okay. I mean, I think that the, at least in my family, my son is very easy to get watched. If somebody, if Katrina and I need a break or need a day. Now this is probably dependent and this is of course me, right? Like if you come from a family where you and your wife have moved to the middle of the country and you have no family and friends around you. Oh you're saying it's easier because people want to watch your kid. Well yeah obviously there's certain aspects. You don't drive your dog to school every day and deal with you know. Yeah I mean there's there's there's

there's aspects of having a child obviously that I mean you can't just leave your kid in the backyard for eight hours. But I don't find that difficult not leaving my kid in the backyard for eight hours. Like, oh, I just need to put him in the backyard for you. Like, that's not a thing that ever crossed my mind. There's aspects of raising the child that I think are easier than handling the dog. Because the dog is like, nobody wants to take care of it

but you, nobody's doing anything with that dog but you. Where with a kid, our family supports a lot of raising him. I really believe it takes an entire tribe to raise a really good kid like that. You should rephrase that though. You should be like, people love my kid more than they love my dog. That sounds way different.

I don't know what you said about, you're about to get so many negative comments. Well I mean, it can offend somebody all they so many negative comments. I mean it can offend somebody and all they want like and just it created a great conversation between my nephew and niece who don't have a have a kid yet and they're they're very scared and nervous because of the responsibility that comes with it and that was my point in making that is like sure there's a time when you first have a newborn that is very, very high demand for both parents. But that's a short period of time.

It's about a year of your life that you dedicate to that. And then after that year, so long as you have the support system around you and you've built good consistencies around the kid's sleep, eat routine, and you have a great partner in your wife or husband. Yeah, but you leave your dog alone way more than your kid, you know what I mean? You don't just leave your kid alone, like yeah, go chill. You spend a lot of time on.

Not the dogs that we had, I mean, we had English bulldogs where I couldn't leave them alone for more than four hours. In fact, that was the mark was, at the four hour period of time, if we left the house and they didn't have someone watching them, that's when they would destroy things. Six hours was for sure you're coming back to something chewed, pissed on, shit on and they were just needed that type

of attention and nobody would help. It was all on you. You're gonna leave Max alone for four hours? Well I mean with Katrina. That goes back, no of course. I mean you can with a good partnership you can divide I mean I I know that it gets it gets people riled up that want to make raising a child so Unbelievably difficult, but that hasn't been the experience for me at all. It hasn't been that way at all I think that Katrina feel the same if I ask her or she like way ask cuz I do everything Yeah, no, I think she would I think she would still agree, although she does do most things. I mean, I think that, and I admit that point too to my nephew, they came back and were like,

oh my God, what about all the sleepless nights? I said, I don't have any sleepless nights. My wife takes care of the kids. For you, it's easier to have a dog. Well, that was the argument I was making. I wasn't saying that for, I mean, if you don't have a wife like I do, you don't have a support system like I do,

then absolutely that sounds so absurd to you. But I was explaining that to my nephew. Because Katrina made you get up for the dog, she's like, you get up for that one. But for your son, she's like, I'll do it. No, you're right. I'm grown up. You're right.

I had probably more sleepless nights and frustrating moments with. Because she just let you deal with your dog. Handle the dog, you know what I'm saying, handle it. But my son, she's quick to make sure that she takes care of them and we divide and conquer. And I don't know, I think that's divide. It sounds a lot like she's 90. Well that's, I mean, well part of my son being raised well is also supporting him too, right? I mean, so somebody's got to pay that the mortgage,

someone's got to pay for the food, somebody's got to take care of my wife's lifestyle, the support of nannies and all this stuff like that. So if I'm left to do my best to do those things and my wife supports me in doing that, then I can deliver on my end versus what happens a lot of times in marriages is this trying to divide things up of like, well, I've done this, so what are you doing? And it's like, well, it's your turn this night and my are you doing? And it's like, well it's your turn this night and my turn's next night. It's like, we just, we did not, we've never operated that way.

That doesn't make sense in business, it doesn't make sense. That's exactly right. And that was the real point of communicating this with my nephew was getting him to understand that when you meet a really good partner and you guys have an incredible relationship, when you approach raising a kid,

it's no different than like running a business. It's not a, oh it's a 50-50 divide down the middle. It's like you each do what you're best at and you help each other in that department. And you know, there was definitely areas that I had to get better for sure. Like I told you guys the other day when we were talking on the podcast about how I remember having a moment of realizing like, listen, one of my wife's strengths is not putting the dishes away and doing those things like that. I can absolutely do that. If she's crushing it with my son upstairs by keeping him on his bath schedule, his reading schedule, then my ass can be down there making

sure I'm picking up around the house and alleviating her of those things. And so to me, that's what makes a great partnership. That's what makes something like that smooth and not difficult. It's where someone in the partnership or both people in the partnership can't see that. He doesn't ask you, does Max remember your dogs? Is he, is he? Oh yeah. He does. Oh yeah, yeah.

Are you guys gonna get more? No, I like to, again, this is how this conversation. Travel so hard, right? Impossible. It's, and this is another point too. So in the last five years that we've had Max, Katrina and I haven't done anything less when it comes to going to sporting events, going to concerts, traveling across the United States,

other countries. We've done as much, if not more, in the last five years of having my son than we did the previous when we were no kid, but we had two dogs. And so it's hindered that much. I have family members, they'll cancel family events. Oh we can't come, we don't have anybody to watch the dog. Can we bring the dog? We're like no. We had that for Thanksgiving. This is again how this is all sparked up because my mother-in-law hosted Thanksgiving and

one of the texts that came over was no dogs. Yeah. And that screws like three people in the family that travel everywhere. It's almost like a strategy if you don't want certain people come over and I mean People yeah don't understand social cues and they just bring their dog anyway, yeah Members like that I got dogs so I get it but like come on dude Like there's certain places where you're just like dude, You know for parties and things you at least put it out there like can I bring my dog like but that's that's happened A few times you have people show up. Yeah, and then the dogs running through like smashing everything and you're just like dude I'm not inviting you again. You know like no you you have both You've always had dogs and you have two kids have the kids or the dogs giving you more headaches

Yeah, well on that point. Yeah, it's because They get unaccounted for you know It's easy to because I'm focusing on the kids and them and raising them and doing all the things that yeah But there's like a list of things that the dogs could do that would make you consider like I understand giving away Yeah, you wouldn't do that with your kids. No, that's also The point though is that there's a there's a different Fulfillment that goes to doing the work to raising your kids and there is the dog. Oh, yes

I mean that's why I dealt there on some level with like the dogs because it originally that's how it started out with the family It was like our dog people and like, you know, and that was the thing out with the family. And it was like, yeah, we're dog people. And like, you know, and that was the thing. And then we had kids and it was like, okay, well, you know, we'll, we'll get back to you. I'm not like, I do my best. I'll get home at night and I'm like, I'll throw the ball for them. And I'm like, okay.

It's like, it's the equivalent of like putting them on a treadmill, you know, like that's as much as I can get active dogs too, very active dogs. And so I'm like, and you know, and that's why I'm like, I don't like chastise them as much because they bark and you know, they're not like super well behaved anymore. Like they were, I was training them constantly and do it like putting the work in. You just have to like realize like where your priority stack like where I can give and I just can't give that same attention to the dogs. And I think that all plays a factor and I think you don't you don't make that mistake with your kid. No, you don't go like, yeah, you wouldn't. You wouldn't

compromise. And part of that is because there's a different joy, fulfillment, like and all that is factored into. So it's easier because you care less. It's part of it, absolutely. And that's why I mean it's. You care less about the dog. Obviously it was a bold thing that caused me great karma. No, we're talking about the cats is even less. Yeah, but you have to factor all that in. Like if you're just like, I mean, are you gonna do better at a job that you enjoy and you love or a job that you don't? Of course you're gonna do better at the job that you love more and so loving a kid more makes it easier. Okay, so I hear you say so you're because it implies it's easier because there's less to do but what you're saying is

You'll do more willingly. Yeah Well, it's easier on me if I had to look back and compare what you're saying It's easy and it doesn't mean like minute for minute the time that no and that's not what I'm saying I'm saying it's easier for me and I'm trying to explain to my little nephew who's Married with a dog, but doesn't have a kid yet who's stressed who's obviously like nervous to have a kid because oh my god It's gonna be so overwhelming. It's like it's actually really trying to reframe it for him So yeah, I know cuz that that is sort of the thought is is it's just too much for me Like I'm good with the dog and you know, but it it definitely you're gonna care more you're gonna it's gonna You're gonna grow more as a person a lot of like benefits with having the kid is you're not gonna have with have you guys think?

Though it's a better strategy though to set them up Expecting the worst so that at least they're like, oh, it's not as bad. We're setting them up for like Oh, he said it's easier than the dog and then I don't think it matters up for like, oh he said it's easier than the dog. I don't think it matters. Four months later, he's like, what the hell are you? I think one of the best pieces of advice I ever got was from my mother-in-law who reminded me before we had a kid that, son, don't allow anybody else's experience to bleed into yours. You go create your own experience.

Because I can't tell you how many people, on this podcast, I'm pretty sure you guys have told me, would tell me what was going to happen at what stage of my son's life with our relationship and none of its come true. It's been how I wanted it to come true because I controlled that situation. Like there's never been, like there was all, everyone trying to tell me that, oh just wait he's never gonna want to do this with you, oh just wait he's gonna just want his mom, or just wait he's gonna be this, this like, yeah none of that happened. He ended up being exactly what I wanted him to be because I felt like I created that for myself.

And so, my suggestion that I would tell anybody is like, you absolutely, however that kid and that relationship and that experience is, you control. You will dictate that. That I believe. Were there some expectations you had that you kind of were like, oh, okay, I didn't expect this? I think TV was one. I remember you being like, he's not gonna watch TV for two years. Yeah, oh, okay, I didn't expect this. I think TV was one.

I remember you being like, he's not gonna watch TV for two years. So there was things that I felt like I was going to do that I would be like, that I ended up being like, okay, I'm a little more relaxed on some of that. That happens a lot, actually. I mean, I learned that lesson early on. It's impossible to know what it's gonna be like

until you have it. It's all speculation. You can't. There's no way you could possibly know How do you know like future tripping like you're gonna think about always worst-case scenario? And so it's like I don't know I Refrain from giving people advice for the most part especially with parenting you got it like that's that's one of those things You really have to be all in and and experience yourself That's my my advice or thing that I tell anybody is that don't what you don't want to do is

neglect that everything you say do around that kid is going to impact them. So you will create the environment. You will create you want a kid that's this way or that way, then you have to be mindful. How do you guys feel when like people know kids give people with kids like. That's the absolute worst. That's the worst. It's like a fat trainer.

Yeah, it's worse than that. It's like a fat trainer. You know what I'm saying? Come on, you're not going to tell me. You have no idea. Oh, I have cousins that would be like, well, if that was my kid. That's happening.

You don't have kids. Shut your mouth. I shut down. Not anymore. I was going to say, I don't really. Everybody has kids now. I really don't see too much of that. I think that's hilarious. Especially with child rearing and all that. Like, you know, like captain left field over here.

Yeah, you know, you should really tell them to stop. Yeah, you have no context. Go back in the corner. Yeah, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. I'm gonna take a left here real quick. So I have a friend of mine that switched to ButcherBox, messages me three months later and is like, I lost five pounds. What?

And I've changed nothing. And I said, well, are you eating the grass-fed meat? And he says, yeah. Is grass-fed meat fat burning? And I said, no, it's less calories. It's a lot less calories. He had no idea. If you guys ever looked at a ribeye steak that's grass-fed meat fat-burning. I said no, it's less calories. It's a lot less calories. He had no idea. If you guys ever looked at a ribeye steak that's grass-fed versus... Doug, can you pull up? You're talking about like 100...

So in terms of that, but also receiving... 100 to 200 calories. It's higher in protein, less in fat from calories. So what he did is he replaced most of his red meat, he had a lot of red meat, he replaced it with the butcher box red meat, lost five pounds without trying to cut anything, and didn't realize he was eating less calories. That's what happens. Yeah, it's 100 to 200 calories per serving of steak. I've looked at it before, right, Doug?

Yeah, so I'm looking at a ribeye is grain fed is typically 250 per three ounces. Their math is kind of weird here. 10 ounce grass fed is 481 calories, I don't have to do the math here. Yeah, do that, you're right. That's hundreds. Yeah, it'll save you, if you eat a lot of red meat,

it'll save you hundreds of calories a day. Yes. From just switching, without cutting the ounces. I would break it down like a six to eight ounce piece that just, you start eating a 10 ounce or you eat it multiple times a day, and you're talking about four or 500 calories, which is a lot. So you're not cutting the size of your steak you're not cutting

anything. I always have to explain this to people though too is that like this is also why it doesn't have the same taste like you have something that is 500 more calories. Go take that steak and put a cube of butter on it and tell me if it tastes good. So the 10 ounce grain fed would be 830 calories. And 10 ounce, what was grass fed? 481. So 300 less calories. Yeah, 320 less calories. That's huge. Huge.

Yeah. That's one piece. That's one meal, one serving. And that's the fattier the cut, the bigger the difference you'll see. Yeah. That's what you'll find. Yeah. So I mean, it makes a huge difference.

Yeah. I mean, we've always tried to, because I obviously still enjoy a grain-fed steak every now and then. Like, my goal is always like at home, I'm preparing the grass-fed butcher box stuff. When we go out to eat, you know, go to a nice steakhouse, we tend to enjoy it. Although some steakhouses do have grass-fed steak,

and I will enjoy it when we're there, but I mean, typically they're grain-fed steaks, you know? I can feel it in other ways too, gut health, inflammation, because of fatty acid profile, but just the lower calories alone It's like you don't have to cut the amount of meat that you're eating and you've already cut your calories Just naturally just through doing that speaking of cutting calories and stuff. Do you guys know what the longest? recorded fast purposeful fast

year like a Obese that guy. Yeah that obese guy again lost hella power So hundreds of power yeah 500 pounds or something yeah, so the guy's name was Angus Barbieri Barbieri in 1965 he was 20 is 27 year old guy he weighed 456 pounds okay, he fasted for 382 days so over a year all he took were multivitamin and potassium supplements. He ultimately lost 275 pounds. He ate zero. Nothing. By

the way, how often do you think he pooped? Remember this is no food. Never. No food. Once every 40 to 50 days. Yeah. Yeah, and what was that probably his fat? No, no, actually if you do I mean that's crazy though, right? I mean he was monitored and everything by doctors, right? Yeah Yeah coffee water potassium He was monitored and everything by doctors, right? Yeah, he had coffee, water, potassium, and multi-vitamin. Coffee's what clean about every 40 days. Cleaning the pipes out, you know what I'm saying? That's what that's been right there. Made that poop for 50 days, that's weird.

That is weird. And then when you finally do, oh, it's happening. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's all reserve energy. I mean, like. This is all body fat. He's just eating himself. Uh-huh.

I know, right? That's super wild. It. I know, right? That's super wild. It was all monitor, it was like an experiment. So he came in and got checked by doctors and the whole thing just to see. So in terms of his skin and all that, did he like, did he have real, because it was gradual, I assume. So he lost probably, he lost 275 pounds in a little over a year.

That's a lot. That's fast. Well, okay. That is a lot of weight. So it was just saggy skin. Yeah, he had to have loose skin. And I don't think he was exercising, he wasn't training or anything. No, nothing.

You know what's interesting about this? I would wonder. Oh yeah, he wouldn't be able to. I wonder if I could find out how, like did he gain it back, like what the deal was, like you know, I would love to know what happened afterwards.

That's super interesting. Yeah, no, that's it. the deal was like you know I would love to know what happened after we're interesting yeah no that's it 382 days of no food whatsoever yeah absolutely crazy sorry random question did you cook for Thanksgiving nothing I did zero actually I did I made Brussels sprouts was that by choice or what I was asked to make them yeah you're famous for the Brussels dude your Brussels yeah so I did end up the Brussels, dude. Your Brussels are famous. Yeah, so I did end up making Brussels sprouts. Speaking of cooking, I looked this up also.

We were gonna talk about Our Place, which is they make cookware, right? And the selling point of their cookware, besides it being high quality, is it doesn't have these forever chemicals in there? Yes. The highest, the place where we tend to get the most forever chemicals is in our cookware. Oh that makes sense. Let me see the Teflon Flu, it's a thing now. Oh is that really a thing, a Teflon Flu? Yeah, dude it's connected,

it's clearly connected to testicular cancer, kidney cancer, and other cancers as well as, ready for this, obesity. Obesity, this is a zero calorie chemical. It hits small angles, man. Zero calorie chemicals encourage the body to gain body fat from these forever chemicals. This is also an example of like, you know, if you're trying to be better at these things, like it's one of the bigger rocks,

you talk about how, where we pick up the most, cause it's- Yeah, just change your cookware. It feels like there's, I mean, deodorant, and any skin stuff you put on, and- But if you're consuming food and it's touching it, it's cooking me. Yeah, it's just change your cook it feels like there's I mean deodorant and any skin stuff you put on and but if you're consuming food it's touching it yeah but I feel like the two biggest things that I did that I changed in regards to like forever type chemicals and trying to be better in my life is glassware instead of plastic yeah and then the and then the using drinking water yeah using like an iron skillet like you guys buy water and

plastic jugs at all so now I'm not going to be anymore Yeah, I try to keep it in Bye, I get I have an alhambra one that actually has a protectant Forget what it's called, but it's like it's so you don't get the plastic So I I get one too that gets clovered, but it's glass. Yeah, it's now the problem with it is it's a Should I we did it right now because we're setting up the house right now reverse osmosis Yeah, just put it in your sink and put it yes Bro, it's not that expensive not that it's expensive

It's just they gotta have to they gotta do it plus I like the water that I get this it comes in a glass pot tastes so good. It was so I do that right now It's so annoying. It's also glad you know what it's also a little dangerous my my brother got the same delivery and you guys know I told you about his kids they're just on fire like he was when he was little and his son thought it'd be you know cool to like push one over. Nobody got hurt or anything but yeah that's yeah he's like bro I gotta put this thing somewhere my kid can't reach dude. By the way every time he tells stories like that he's just his kid is just like him he's so happy and so lovable so you never get mad at him for just being on fire but

every time his kid does something my mom's always like oh yeah that was you like that you like that I like that they're telling you guys when she say he was the most difficult with is that what she would say oh bro I mean my sister when she was a teenager, she was, oh, she was a tough one, man. She is, my sister, she's the second, right? She's actually, I mean, this straight up, she's the strongest person I know. I don't mean physically. I mean, she's just a tough, like, she gets through things and she's tenacious as hell. But when she was a teenager, what that looked like was like rebellion and

my dad is old school so my dad was not the kind of dad that's like hey how do you feel what do you feel this way what's going on I'll let you have your your moment and then I'll come back my dad's old-school Sicilian so you you err he's gonna err even more and so him and my sister were like you know when she was a teenager. So that was tough. But my brother, when he was little, dude, he was just, when he was, I think he was two.

We lived in a two story house. And he climbed the stairs on the outside of the stairs. And was hanging from the balcony with his hands. And he was just calmly calling my mom. Mom, mom, what? Come here please, come here. She comes over and he's hanging, oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

Yeah, dude, hanging from the top of the thing. That was him. That was him all the time. Dude, I learned something interesting speaking of siblings, like on this interview with Billy Corgan, you know he's the lead singer of Smashing Pumpkins? Yes, yes, yes, yes.

So randomly, he had never talked about this, but I guess like his mom was kind of expressing to him that his dad Was a traveling musician all this kind of stuff and had like, you know some Mistresses and had some illegitimate kids out there And said like, you know that famous comedian bill burr Like I'm pretty sure like that's your dad's kid. And you guys are like, what? What?

No way. And then he started looking at it. He's like, oh my god. Like, I guess he looks just exactly like his dad. And so Billy Corgan doesn't really look anything like his dad. But he totally sees that connection. And I'm like, wow, can you imagine?

Like, he produced Billy Corgan and, you know, bill bird, like that'd be, that's crazy. Do you know bill Burr story? Cause I don't know. Is I, I don't really know his story, uh, as much. I'll have to find out. My favorite comedian. He's dude, the best, like one of the best of all time.

You know, my favorite, like illegitimate, whatever stories or theories is a Justin Trudeau. Is he's a prime minister of Canada. Oh yes. And Fidel Castro. Fidel Castro. You ever seen that? No.

His mom. Did you hear about the meeting with him and Trump? Yeah. He's like if you do tariffs on us you'll destroy Canada. Yeah. And apparently Trump said, oh we'll make you the 51st state. Can you be the governor? It's not real.

That's spreading around the internet. I don't know if that's... That's what the reports are. I mean, it was in quotes when I saw it. But have you seen the pictures of where they make the claim because Trudeau's mom was close with Fidel Castro. And if you look at a picture of Fidel Castro and Justin Trudeau, bro, he looks just like him.

Yeah, let's see if that could be. Very much a resemblance. Look at that, dude. That's his dad for sure, bro. It's that look he looks just very like those. Yeah That's his dad for sure Wow, wow, and that's a younger pick Wow identical Now did somebody match it up and then the rumors start or they were their rumors? No, because she was friendly with him apparently they were they knew each other There was like a whole deal like so like it wasn't like they never met they apparently knew each other and met quite a bit That's yeah a lot DNA test on that one for sure. That's all right one last study. So did you guys know?

That just based off of smell, I'm gonna pull up the study, just based off of smell that women can pick out whether a man is single or not. I believe it. They took t-shirts and they had men in relationships and men who were single laundry put them on then they took them off and And they did like a little exercise in them. So there's a little bit of sweat in them and the women were able to consistently Pick out that these that were the single guys just by the pheromones or so I okay

this is funny and interesting because Obviously, I've openly talked about my steroid use all through my 20s most my life right on and off and I used to always tell my buddies. I'm like dude. It's like clockwork The minute I start my testosterone again, I get like this added attention from women It's like before your body change. Yes, even before yeah Obviously if I make this big transformation that that's more likely that it's due to what I look like. But it would be like the next week after taking the shot, then all of a sudden this interest would start kicking up.

And I'm like, dude, it's like clockwork. As soon as I take testosterone- It's so chemical, like, yeah, reception. Right, and okay, you could probably say my confidence level increases, and so, and I'm working out, and so maybe I'm looking better like I don't know but it was something that we used to I used to talk about all the time because I've seen that too from just from an attractive like they pick out like who they're attracted to men with

high-sense officer t-shirts yeah they just smell the t-shirt when women are ovulating they'll pick out men with higher testosterone levels based off their smell or just a face When they're especially when they're on their most fertile, so when they're most fertile They'll be attracted to the man with the highest testosterone Which the theory is it's got these the best chances Yeah, the best DNA the best genes or whatever interest. I mean pheromone science is interesting. It's real That's why we have armit hair and pubic hair.

Oh, I think you say perfumes and stuff too. That whole market is based off of that, right? Is trying to figure that science out of what people love. Yep, yep. Just bottle it up. It's... It's crazy.

You know, during ancient Rome, the gladiators used to sell their sweat. Yeah. So there were vendors. Well, they got visited quite a bit by nobles, right? Like women that would pay high dollar to go their sweat. So there were vendors. Well they got visited quite a bit by nobles, like women that would pay high dollar to go down there. But you could buy bottles of their sweat and they would sell them.

It was like a real expensive thing that you could buy. You pour it on you, you drink it, what do you do? Oh, I don't know, I think they just smelled it. I don't know, it's a good question. They've done weird stuff, dude, come on. I know, rum is worth some weird shit, bro. Yeah, come on, dude, it's not that weird. Oh My god weird stuff All right, I want you to a you sent me a clip today I thought it was this guy's pretty awesome I think we should give him a shot. Oh the Instagram one. Yeah, that is a good. That is a good shout out I just recently found what's his name social?

Social cast social cap official. I said to Doug to what is it Doug social cap official social cap official. I said it to Doug too. What is it Doug? Social cap official. Social cap official. Yeah, ex-financial advisor that just gives out free advice. He's got almost a million people following him. Speaking of charity, he talked about a great way to, if you're very wealthy, you start... A family, it's a family... You start like an organization that's run by your family.

The funds go in there and they're not taxed. So long as 5% of it goes to charity. And then you put your kids or something in charge of it. So I sent it over. Charitable remainder trust, probably. That's OK. So I sent it over to Doug originally because I wanted to look at, we're

talking to people right now, right? And I've heard Shaq talk about this and some other professional athletes that have been well advised. Like one of the first things that they do is basically start like a, um, it's not a, it's a, a family, um, it's in that clip. It's like one of the first things he says, but it's basically the, of an entity that you are, it's a charitable entity,

but then you can appoint, you know, your mother, your kids, they're all part of it they have salaries and everything and then as long as 5% is going off to charity that whole thing is like which means you say you make even more money because 5% is less than the 30% you're right right and and and I think it's up to 30% of your income so if you're you know let's say you make a million dollars a year you put 300 grand yeah 300 grand can go in there, and 5% of that 300 grand has to go to charity. But the rest of that money can be allocated

towards paying family salaries and whatever, and what it takes to- I swear, the reason why the tax code is so complicated is because these people figure out ways to give themselves all these breaks and stuff. That's the point of it. It's interesting how we've structured things like that too, and you have to reach a certain level to even afford the advice on that. It's so complicated.

Which is so interesting. Who the hell knows? That's also what makes someone like this really cool to follow, because that's what his whole stick is, is that I've retired as a financial advisor. I give free for free for free. I mean, even as disrupting that, he's like, I don't follow anybody. I don't hide. So if anyone ever met a message, you saying that it's me, I don't take clients

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legging body part isn't growing because you're doing too much or because of other factors? If the rest of your body is progressing and that area isn't, the issue probably is more like you're not able to connect well enough to that body part. That's step one really. Yeah, so like if you do a compound lift, I'll use the example of like your butt, like you're doing squats and your quads are growing, hamstrings are growing, your butt isn't responding. It's probably because the quads and the hamstrings are doing more of the work than they should for that squat, so you want to find ways to connect better your glutes or maybe do more glute specific exercises like hip thrusts

Which are easier to connect to? Before doing your squats, but that's usually issue sometimes issues not enough volume But if you're gonna increase the volume on a lagging body part, you got to take it from other areas Don't just add volume to your workout. Yeah our good friend Ben Pekulski did a clip I think a couple years ago I remember and because I thought that it was interesting and it actually he gave a percentage and it was a very high percentage of Lagging body parts and it's its relationship to a poor connection the inability to connect to that muscle almost always so if someone Has a lagging body part,

almost always it's connected somehow to just a poor connection. And the problem- Your inability to really contract and work that muscle through. And that affects your recruitment process and everything else. And so yeah, you prioritize certain muscles

to take on the load. And so yeah, to take the time back to make sure you're in that good anatomical position to really maximize the potential for you to really feel that process and recruit at that specific muscle is... And the issue too is that the problem perpetuates itself. So it's like, okay, I bench press, my chest is lagging, my delts and triceps are developing more, I'm going to keep bench pressing, not fix the connection issue, even more of a

problem to happen because now I'm learning how to press with my shoulders and triceps more. So one way to fix this is to do isolation exercises for the lagging body part first to get that connection that feel. That tends to change your technique and form for the compound lifts so you can start to connect and feel those muscles. And it also takes time also. When you start doing this you have to learn how to reconnect. You have to retrain it. Retrain and then give yourself some time. And again if you add volume, take it away from other body parts. The mistake I made, a lot of

people make, is they add volume but they don't take it away from other body parts. The mistake I made, a lot of people make, is they add volume but they don't take it away from other areas and then you over train. And for the audience that can relate to this, it helps us to answer this even more specifically when you know the body part. That's right. Right, so if you tell me like, oh, it's this body part, then the advice could be even better. Obviously, I think you're spot on,

the general advice is true, but if we knew exactly what lagging body part, we could give even more specific advice on things that would help Next question is from Cole row. Is there any real science behind compression shirts leggings, etc? There is there actually is that's why there's a market there. Yeah, it will improve your performance, which is interesting Yeah seems to reduce soreness and inflammation. Speed up recovery, perceptually, yes. Now does this translate to better gains? That's the question. I don't know. The data there doesn't really show that, but

if you want better performance, then yeah, it seems to. It's an external signal, right, for a bit more stability. So, okay, I'm so glad you said that, Justin, because people might be thinking, how does leggings make me squat better? Is it because the leggings are tight and it's giving me... No, no, it's not that much support. It's not like wearing a squat suit, but it's the external signaling, right? It's the fact that something's squeezing around my legs that tends to probably change Similarly how I see a tape, you know, yes a similar process to that. So yeah, I remember I you were big on me

I was big this was and I remember when you first did it went oh shit I feel the difference you remember when you actually put a pair on it made funny you yeah Cuz you're wearing tight wearing dude, and I'm like you're shorts over it. I You're always wearing tights. Yeah wearing dude, and I'm like you're shorts over it. I Wasn't that guy right so wasn't that guy I've seen that guy before Everybody's seen that guy everybody's seen the vein So I this is this was like one of those things where I remember doing it and then just having just one of the best Squat sessions I never had and thought well that was weird, let me do that again. And then became a staple of lifting that way. And I loved it.

And I remember you making fun of me and then doing it and going like, I think I really like the feeling that is. I mean, I don't that often. But yeah, if you want like a little bit of an edge, I think there's some. It works for upper body too. Yeah, I think going and buying these things, thinking that it's gonna like really change,

move the needle, no. But I definitely think that, yeah, if that it's going to like really change, move the needle. No. But I definitely think that yeah, if you got the money to buy them you like wearing them anyway. Now I prefer to not wear them because I like to see what's happening in the workout. I like to see the pump. When I'm wearing like a compression shirt, I can't really see the pump and everything. So it might feel better in one way, but not the other. But yeah, I don't know if it translates to better gains. But if you've been working out for a while while try it out because you might like it. Next question is from CMOS23 if you've seen the same trainer multiple times at the gym giving poor advice or allowing poor form would you eventually say something?

Oh no not if you want to get punched in the face. You know if I talk to their clients let me ask you guys this personally you go to the gym let's say you go to the gym regularly, and you see a trainer giving, well you probably see this all the time anyway. Of course. But it starts to look dangerous. Do you say something?

I mean, define that for me better. Depends how dangerous that is. Yeah, depends how dangerous. I mean, I see somebody, an old lady that's gonna kill her, I'm gonna say, of course I'm gonna go save her. Yeah, of course I'm gonna go save her life. But I mean, like, what do we mean by that? If I see somebody doing a lat pull down

with shit technique and they're pulling in front of them and am I gonna go over and, no, I'm not gonna go interrupt a workout like that. I mean, you see that all the time. And I go to gyms and I see that all the time. If I, okay, so. I'll be honest, I don't see it as often as I used to. I definitely wouldn't at this point in my career.

Now maybe if I was still building my trainer business and looking for clients and trying to be better like maybe I find that person And offer some of my free service and help so that I could educate them I definitely am NOT going to disrespect somebody in the middle of their training sessions That's a quick way to find an enemy and that that won't serve you very well But if I didn't see this lady Let's say and I see her every Tuesday when I train training with this trainer And he's doing shit workouts all the time. I might find my way to bump into her Conveniently in the parking lot or the front office area and just introduce myself and offer some free service

That's my client right next to them and then do right right the right way. Right, right. This is how we do it Right, right. That's actually another great strategy. If I was training a client, I would find my way, I would take my client over next to them. What they're doing is stupid. Say it real loud. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think that, I mean,

cause here's the thing too, you have to understand that, I mean, I'm big on relationships, and you doing that and insulting another trainer. Yeah, like are you gonna be effective? Yeah, exactly. Like is it for you or is it for them? Right, normally it's to feed your own ego. That's right.

Normally most trainers that feel compelled to do this, wanna feel smart, wanna feel superior, that's the wrong motivation. If it's truly to help this lady, well okay, well then find a time that doesn't embarrass that trainer and that you can introduce yourself and then offer your services for free And then let your services do the speaking right that you do that good of a job And then that's how I would do something like this, but going in there

Interrupting a session to sound smarter. I don't know if that's gonna serve you too much Next question is from Mike Malagy's. I'm 21 years old. What would you guys tell your 21 year old self, financially, spiritually, physically, and mentally? Why don't we break each one down? Yeah, well the caveat would be that our 21 year old self would listen. Yeah, let's pretend they would listen. Let's just imagine.

Fantasy world. Because that's the hard part, right? Start with financial, we'll go with each one. Do what I'm doing. Financially, I think, and I just, I was hanging out with my nephew this weekend who's 17 years old, and I said, millionaire next door, I think, is a incredible read

in that anybody in their early 20s should absolutely read. I think the principles behind that Are so important and especially for what the mistakes I made in my 20s and that's just teaching you behaviors Around money and how to be fiscally responsible. I think too many people think that the answer is oh I just need to make more money and that's not true Because if you don't build a good habits around money, it doesn't matter if you make 40 grand a year

or you make 400 grand a year, you'll still be, believe it or not, in the same predicament. You'll be broke at 400 grand a year if you don't have the skills. That's right. And so read that book, learn how to live well below your means And there's very specific things like what percentage of your income should be towards a car and living and so I didn't know Any that stuff I have found out the hard way by doing it wrong and then learning from that

I wish I would have read that so that's my my financial financially for me would be live well below your means, and then save and then invest, because the rate of growth compounds with investments. So if you're 21. Yeah, it's really about investing. And you're living well below your means, and you're investing your money at 21, after you save a certain amount, right?

So save some money first, then start investing. By the time you're 41, you could be pretty close to being pretty well off. That 20 year period really does come back. It's just really getting you to think more long term, not in the moment. And I was pretty good about living below the means, but in terms of growing and thinking about how to do that

at that young of age like that's just something to convey I would hope I could listen to that. Well yeah I think I want to add to what you guys said because I get asked this question a lot where I get someone in my DMs be like hey Adam I've got 10 grand or 50 grand or maybe even a hundred grand that I've saved up how should I invest this and they're 21 23 years old and I have the same answer for the 10 grand person as the 100 grand person, and that is like, at that point of your life, I'm investing in myself, meaning I'm adding to my skillsets.

I'm improving on my current skillsets. So I'm making myself more valuable in the marketplace. That is one of the best investments you can do. That is far better than a 5% or a 9% return on your 10 or 100 grand. Go improve your skillsets because that will pay you back and that will get you ahead much faster. So that early in the age, under 100,

now you had a million dollars and you're like, okay, there's a different conversation on how you, because you could set a million dollars up to compound and set your life up for a new life. But typically when you're 21, you don't got no- 21 year old saves like 10, 20 grand. Yeah, yeah, you're probably killing it if you save that much and you're thinking, oh, should I go put this in the SMP or no, go reinvest that in yourself and

improve your skill sets and your value in the workplace. All right, so spiritually. Spiritually, I think you just, you need to have this practice. And I'm not gonna tell you which one I think you just, you need to have this practice and I'm not going to tell you which one I think is most important, but one of my favorite things I ever heard a guest say on here, I don't know if it was Bishop Barron who said it first or Arthur Brooks, but whether you believe it or not, you worship something. And if you don't decide on what that is by this time in your life, it will be decided

for you and by your actions and the things that you drive. And I'll tell you that all the worldly things that you can worship are fleeting and will end up in despair and unhappiness and a lot of things that will not work out for you. So finding some sort of spiritual practice or higher belief than yourself, I think, is paramount to long-term success and overall health. And that's what you say to yourself at 21 or just to a 21-year-old in general? Well, I already have found this myself. You're doing it already, right? Yeah, yeah.

So this is a general advice at 21. I was seven years old. I had asked God into my heart and I would consider myself a Christian, so I wouldn't have to give this advice. It was one of the few things I did right. For me, I for sure would say read the Bible with an open mind and an open heart. That's it. I'd just start there. Just open your heart, open your mind, read it, and then I know the rest, it'll do the rest. I wasn't, I was closed. I was an atheist, I was a pretty hardcore atheist at this point, but what happened,

and I was always searching, I was always searching, but I wasn't open to the Bible, I wasn't open to the Word, so I didn't look at it with an open mind, I looked at it with a closed mind and a mind of defense. Let me defend against this. And that cost me a law, cost me decades of misery for sure. Yeah, I mean this is something that I was born and raised into and something that I adopted real early as well, kind of similar to Adam,

but has gone through quite its own path and journey. And I think it's really just staying consistent with it. And there's moments of inconsistency and there's moments of judgment and hypocrisy and seeing the human element of it and then coming back and realizing that I need to just focus on, you know, the overall message and like you said, like bringing this outside of myself, directing everything and allowing the higher power to kind of influence my decision physically? Physically I would say, and I like the advice that we give about approaching exercise as practice.

I wish that, this is speaking to myself and any other 20 year old, I would have looked at the big five, right? The five major lifts that we talk about all the time. And I would have just practiced getting really good at all those movements. That my routine was centered around perfecting those movements

and being a master at those movements. And I really believe that if you do that in your early 20s a lot of the other stuff will fall into place. It really will and so approach exercise in the gym by getting becoming a master at those five lifts. I'm trying to think of what would have impacted me the most like what one single physical type of what would have impacted me the most, like what one single physical type of advice would give me the biggest impact. And I think it's sleep. I think if I could have convinced myself to go to bed at the same time every night, wake

up at the same time every day, give yourself at least eight hours, knowing how I was at 21, I think that would have had a huge impact. I mean at 21, I would routinely sleep five hours a night So it had a massive impact on me Physically actually mentally too, but physically for sure. You know as funny as I was just thinking about this I was talking to Courtney because Growing up. I was always like very inclined to eat meat like That was my favorite thing to eat, and I just was always chastised for that. It was always this weird thing because every time I go to some family function or some

other dinner or somewhere else, they were always concerned about me eating all the meat so nobody could get any. I always felt like that was wrong. It was just weird, but to trust in the fact that I was like on the right path But that's a new one was good for me eat the meat be comfortable eating all the meat And make more of it That's the best advice and then also the mobility piece like I really wish I would have adopted that in my Sports career and and that would have helped me tremendously with my movement

and just the preventative. I didn't really have injuries as much, per se, but I did have sticking points and stiffness. And I just didn't have that kind of athleticism towards the end of the career I should have. Mentally? Mentally, you are always either growing or dying. And so if you are not stretching your capacity

to learn, improve, educate yourself, then you're going backwards. And I think that still to this day, I always revisit this self-conversation. What am I doing, Adam, right now to improve my skills, to learn, to become more self-aware, to be a better husband, to be a better father? So frequent check-ins with yourself on what are you doing currently to improve yourself,

I think, is the way to stay on top of the mentality and mentally being healthy. I think if I could have, if I listened to myself, it would have been to hire a coach, hire, for lack of a better term, a life coach. Yeah. I think, because I was always into reading, always into learning, but I think having a guide, a good guide, would have done me wonders, for sure. I agree, I would have wished I would have been exposed

to that back then, too, to really have somebody in my corner You know because they took a lot on myself and like I definitely didn't have I had a lot of confidence in myself But I just felt like I was alone in that pursuit and so it's a really you know I guess have somebody to talk to you about that would have helped a lot imagine if we went back in time, right? But we had to convince the other 21 like I I had to go talk to Adam at 21. You probably would have done better. I think I'd probably be doing better listening to you. If you showed up to yourself.

Showed up to myself, I probably wouldn't be able to convince myself. Really? Yeah, I think I'd probably have a better opportunity listening to one of you guys. That's a long play for sure, knowing how hard-headed all of us are. Yeah, exactly. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram.

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