Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2491: Work Out Once a Week and Get Results BUT Only if You Focus On This (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Work out once a week and get results, but ONLY if you focus on this. (2:57) Ragging on Sal. (15:06) Xtreme Xperiences. (16:08) Viagra increases muscle protein synthesis. (21:32) How NIL is reshaping collegiate sports. (24:20) The difference between Christmas, X-Mas, and Happy Holidays. (30:13) Kids say the darndest things. (32:11) How do you know if a CBD product is worth it? (33:45) Justin’s first parade. (35:47) Sal is tough to break. (37:40) Teasing an interview with Erica Komisar. (39:42) The food dye argument is REALLY heating up. (42:16) The controversy surrounding Jay-Z. (43:43) It’s about the journey, not the destination. (46:29) Luminose by ENTERA. (55:08) Shout out to Ian Simpkins! (56:28) #ListenerLive question #1 – Any advice on how I can progress in my bench press? (57:37) #ListenerLive question #2 – So I know your programs can be run in either a bulk or cut, but is there any time where it’s good to be running maintenance? (1:10:04) #ListenerLive question #3 – How would you suggest the average person go about reintroducing sprinting into their training routine? (1:19:50) #ListenerLive question #4 – Any advice on continuing to workout through the rest of pregnancy and postpartum? (1:31:32) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off ** Visit Entera Skincare for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Promo code MPM at checkout for 10% off their order or 10% off their first month of a subscribe-and-save. ** Visit Xtreme Xperience to find a track near you! With their 30% off holiday deal, this is the best time to make it happen. Limited Launch Promotion: MAPS 15 Performance public launch price: $87! ** Code 15PLAUNCH for $20 OFF. Free Bonuses: 30 Day Landmine Workout + 7-Day Overtraining Rescue Guide. ** December Promotion: MAPS Aesthetic | MAPS Symmetry 50% off! ** Code DECEMBER50 at checkout ** Mind Pump # 2490: Improve Your Muscle, Strength & Athleticism in Only 15 Minutes a Day Erica Komisar, LCSW The Hawk Tuah Meme Coin Debacle Explained And Why It Looks Bad For Hailey Welch Visit Pre-Alcohol by ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Promo code MINDPUMP24 for 15% off first-time purchasers on either one-time purchases, (3, 6, 12-packs) or subscriptions (6, 12-pack) ** Mind Pump # 2127: Bench Press Masterclass Mind Pump # 2180: Is Powerlifting Beneficial for Women? Mind Pump # 2287: Bodybuilding 101- How to Bulk and Cut Mind Pump # 1375: How to Train Before, During & After Pregnancy Train the Trainer Webinar Series Visit NASM for this month’s exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** 50% off CES (self-study). Code MPMCESSS at checkout. ** Online Personal Training Course | Mind Pump Fitness Coaching Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Patrick Bet-David (@patrickbetdavid) Instagram Erica Komisar, LCSW (@ericakomisar) Instagram Ian Simkins (@iansimkins) Instagram  

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Ah shit Doug you know it's my favorite time of the week Three winners this week two for Apple podcast one for Facebook the Apple podcast winners are Bacon Try and Bruce Lawson and for Facebook we have Katie Redman. All three of you are winners. Send a name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com, include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Can you get results working out only once a week? Yes, but only if you do the following. In other words, most of you will get zero results working out once a week, but listen to what we're about to say, because if you do this, you will see progress. Oh yeah. Let's talk about it. Once a week? Yeah, this came up for me because I actually

had a significant percentage of clients towards the back half of my career that only worked with me once a week. Now of course they try to be active on their own, they do other things, but they only did one structured workout once a week with me. And of course they watched their diet and all that stuff and they all got exceptional results, but I remember I would present this to them and nobody believed that this would even work.

The main thing that we focused on, I'd love to hear what you guys have to say about this, was strength. You can get stronger if you strength train properly once a week, but I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking, well if I only work out once a week then it has to be so intense,

has to be so hard. Everything under the sun. That it kills me. That's the only way I'll get progress, which is completely false. I mean, I think you could be incredibly strong and healthy and fit only lifting weights one day a week, especially if you incorporate other healthy habits

throughout the week. Of course. Right, so if you make a conscious effort to walk after meals, if you pick up some sort of activity that's physical that you like to do, you know, a couple times a week, you make good food choices, you eat adequate protein, you do that with a good routine, a full body routine where you hit the major lifts and you train appropriately, like as far as intensity

and volume in that one workout, you can build a very healthy fit physique. Well, I think that's what needs to be said, because I mean, it's not like you're just working out that once a week and then the rest, you're just laying down and laying on your back and you know, like that old sort of idea that we need to rest, recover, it's active.

It's, you know, you're still greasing the groove, you're still contracting the muscles, you're still adding movement, it's just not structured necessarily. But two, you're still making it relevant, and then we focus on that once a week, we can really intensify that with adding load. But yeah, that's gonna get you strong

because of all of those days in between you can recover. Now, I do think that the mistake that is made is choosing the wrong exercises, right? So I think if you limit yourself to only one day of lifting weights in the week, then the importance of what you choose to do, I think, is heightened, right? Like I think if you're lifting three, four,

five days a week, there's a lot of room for, you know, lesser exercises and maybe not the best programming because you're doing a lot more. Whereas if I'm gonna choose to lift just one time a week, that, you know, 50 minutes that I'm in the gym needs to be very impactful. Therefore, the exercise selection becomes really important. Yeah I think too again I want to emphasize this that doesn't mean it

needs to be this all-out intense crazy workout for it to be effective. I think people look at exercise and workouts and they place the value on the calorie burn so it's how many calories I burn. Now to be clear daily activity is good for you for health okay so moving every day throughout the day is just healthy for you. But when it comes to a workout, you're not looking at calorie burn. What you're looking at are adaptations you're trying to induce. Strength is very protective. First of all, you can induce an adaptation for strength with very little.

Again, most people once a week, now of course I'm not talking to somebody who wants to be a bodybuilder, who wants to build this six pack abs or whatever, but for the average person who wants to develop a healthy fit body, if you get stronger, which you can, you definitely can with once a week, then it's very protective. Now you're not burning a ton of calories, but who cares, right? That's not the point. The point is, can I get the body to try to get stronger? Then through that adaptation, what ends up happening is I improve insulin sensitivity.

I speed up my metabolism. I build muscle. Yes, you could build muscle once a week. Again, it's not that you're training so hard and so intensely that you're making up for the fact that you're not working out throughout the week. It's still proper application of intensity. It still needs to be appropriate. Too hard even

once a week isn't good for you in the sense of getting your results and you don't need to make up for the lack of days a week of structured workout with high intensity. It just needs to be done properly. Now you mentioned the best exercises. That's a hundred percent. Like if you do you know four good lifts once a week, you know if you go in there and you squat and you bench press and you row and you overhead press, like you row, and you overhead press, that's four really, really good exercises. And if you practice them and do them properly

with appropriate intensity, so the intensity matches your current fitness level, you watch your, especially the first, by the way, for the first two or three years, following a protocol similar to that with some variation as you progress, you'll see yourself get stronger relatively consistently, especially the first year. You'll see yourself get stronger and stronger and stronger.

I used to love doing this with clients. People would hire me, professionals, executives who didn't have a lot of time, and they would come to me and one of the big problems they had was time. I'd say, that's okay, we only need to do once a week. They'd look at me with disbelief. Part of the reason why they would hire me, one, I'm a pretty good salesperson, but two, often times they would refer to me

by a friend who would told them, no, no, once a week actually works. They'd say, okay, let me try this and see what happens. And sure enough, we would add 30 pounds to the squat within six months. We would be able to get them to bench press far more than they were able to do before. Maybe they weren't doing it at all.

So now the strength went up quite a bit and then we could deadlift. And at the end of, you know, a year people would always report and go, this is crazy. I never thought that I would, that my body would change, that I would be able to get leaner, sculpt my body, speed up my metabolism with one dedicated structured workout a week. Now, again, you want to be active every single day. By the way, that's true regardless of how often you work out. If you do six structured workouts a week. Now again, you wanna be active every single day. By the way, that's true regardless of how often you work out. If you do six structured workouts a week,

you did six one hour workouts a week, you still should probably be active throughout the day most days. So that's not the point. The point again is, can we induce an adaptation like strength with once a week? The data supports this, our experience supports this. It just needs to be done properly. I wish, uh, I wish you would do this.

To show the show of everybody. Yeah. Well, no, I just think that you would be such a cool experiment to, because of the foundation that you've built. Um, I, I suspect you would maintain a way more incredible physique than you think you would make. Oh, I know that. I bet you could train one day a week and a year from now you would still look, I bet most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference of where you're at right now. That's how much I know.

I mean the data shows that right? It's like one, this has been my experience. This has been my experience. The last few years on this podcast is my training volume is significantly few years on this podcast is my training volume is significantly different. Now, granted that comes with some some drawbacks, right? Admittedly, like, I'm not as strong, you know, I'm nowhere near as strong as I was when I was at the peak of my training. I don't have this large variety of training. So one of the pluses of when I was training five, six, seven days a week is I'm doing a lot of mobility stuff. I'm doing a lot of multi-planter stuff. I'm addressing a lot of things. And so I'm not just strong and fit.

I'm strong and fit and capable in different directions. And so I'm, I'm bolstering this physique, but it's from an, an overall health and aesthetic purpose. It's crazy to me how little. That's interesting you said that because that's honestly been my experience the last like two years or so is just like this natural sort of lowering of volume

and really just realizing less has been more and has been serving me well. However, the variation has like really reduced. And so therefore, like ankle, you know, certain pains in my hip and certain issues like that. So the caveat, I guess, is that, you know, you get good and I can maintain very well in terms of physique, but in terms of function, to repeat some of these different variations and to go into multiple planes, like I am trying to boost up that volume again.

I am trying to incorporate that on a more frequent basis and it's been helping in terms of like my joint function and when I'm trying to do things explosively, because it's like now I'm like, one of my kids is like in a sport, I understand and I'm like, one of my kids is like in a sport, I understand and I'm like trying to teach and model with better movement. I need to work on that better movement.

So that part is important to me right now. Yeah, no, this is like, you play during the week, I mean, you do your hiking, you go play with your kids, you go to the beach, you do stuff like that, stay active. This is your one day a week of structured strength training. By the way, there's another way to do this, right? You could do what I'm saying, which is a one hour, or maybe a little more, once a week, or you could do 15 minutes a day.

This is our Maps 15. That's right, our Maps 15 series of programs. We have our original Maps 15, which is our most popular program by far. Initially it was popular because people were like, wow, this is cool, let me try it out. Now it was popular because people were like, wow, this is cool, let me try it out. Now it's popular because people are telling their friends, they're like, I can't believe I'm helping them get in.

Well, how effective this is. That's right, so then what we did is we came out with another one, mass per 15 performance, which is, again, 15 minutes a day. This one's just more athletic minded than the other one. Yeah. And it's essentially what I'm saying. Now the difference is instead of doing it all in one workout,

you're doing 15 minutes a day. Now I personally like the small daily doses better It's essentially what I'm saying. Now the difference is instead of doing it all in one workout, you're doing 15 minutes a day. Now I personally like the small daily doses better than the one once a week dose for many, many different reasons. Nonetheless, the point remains, very little is required to induce the adaptation for strength and the protective effects that come along with it. Muscle gain, the... It's reassuring to know that.

I mean, and I think a lot of people need to understand that that's possible. That's something you can, because because too, it's like your environment changes, your work situation changes, like whatever it is. Like sometimes all of a sudden availability is the main deterrent. And so to know that you can still at least get

an effective stab at your physique and maintain your health and fitness with once a week. That's powerful. Yeah, we had the Christmas party this last week. That was a good time. Yeah, it was a really good time. And my best friend and his wife came and he hadn't seen me in a few months

and since I did the kind of transformation. And he had just recently heard his back and his wife's been trying to encourage him, like you need to get back to it. You and Adam used to train together and this and that. I said, dude, you don't even need to do that. I said, literally follow what I documented on YouTube. I said, it was two exercises a day. So literally two exercises a day and you can watch me like transform my body.

You'd be so surprised on how little I said, especially you. I said, you've had a background of lifting. It's not like you've never lifted weights before. And so a lot of that will come back so much easier than you think. You know what the problem with that old messaging? I say old messaging because old fitness marketing messaging would sell something similar to that, like you only need 10 minutes a day, but it was terrible programming and it was all based on we're going to beat the crap at you so hard

for 10 minutes. That's why it's effective. Yeah. That is not how, first of all, you, you couldn't burn enough calories in 10 minutes a day to make a difference Okay, so the calorie burn the intensity throw it out the window. What you what you need to do is How do I get my body to adapt? How do I get the adaptations I'm looking for and you can do that with the right exercise? Programming the right exercise programming will make that happen

and then your body moves in a direction, it adapts in the direction you want and then you get great results. And that's like the Maps 15 series, like the original and Maps 15 performance. And again, that's why it's crushing. People bought it because like, oh, 15 minutes a day. Then people are coming back and going,

I'm actually advanced. I'm following this program and it's working great for me. So awesome. I want to ask you, Adam, at the Christmas party, I saw a lot of my cousins talking to you when they were there. So you said you were gonna bring something up. I'm assuming this has to do with the...

They're all, what I love about them is they're the opposite of you when it comes to car stuff. Oh yeah, they're all fanatics. Very much so. I mean, so you've got all of them there. And that was the whole conversation, was just all about cars and car models and what are you driving. Oh, I want this and that.

And they had found out, obviously, on Thanksgiving, when you guys did your Thanksgiving workout, about the simulator. And that's the first time I had seen them since that had happened. So I was telling them how excited I was that you they gave you shit I was just like I'm so glad you guys gave sauce can you believe that guy didn't want to get in on that on that simulator I can't believe it my

willy that's like the baddest thing ever and what else is gonna spin his money on his you know what to spin his way I said I know it's why I'd be telling them all time too so so we all ragged on you for like a good, I don't know, 15, 20 minutes. It was so good. You know, speaking of that, so I got to, I got introduced to the founder of think Extreme Experience is the brand name. Is that right, Doug? Correct. Guys, name is Adam also. I love when I meet founders like this. We had a listener of ours that Extreme Experience is a client of theirs. He's a big fan of the show. He reached out to me, got connected to me via email.

We got on the phone, started talking, he says, hey, I know Adam with Extreme Experience. I've gotten to know you. I just think you guys will hit it off. Let me put the phone call together. And it took about a month or two for us to finally connect. And we did. And it was like, and I'm always like, and I totally knew.

That is what we're taking the team to do. Yes, so I'm getting there, right? So this is like one of these situations where I love to meet people like this. And you never know when you get on calls like this, like, you know, what is this person gonna want from me? And I started to call like, hey, let me tell you, I'm a car enthusiast.

I love what you're doing. I said, I've already done it and paid for the experience. I plan to do it again. I'd love to take my team down there. I'm not looking for anything from you, but I just feel like I'm into all this stuff. I said, some of my co-hosts are really into this stuff. I said, so, um, maybe we could do something together, um, and not expecting anything.

And then he calls back and he's like, uh, you know, we're going to be close to you guys up in Sonoma raceway in December. He's like, why don't you, uh, why don't you bring the whole staff down? And I'm like, really? And he's like, yeah, absolutely. And I was like, Oh my God, that's so amazing. So we're heading down there, I think the 21st of this month? Correct. So our entire team is going to have, you know, drive Lamborghini's, Ferraris, McLarens, whatever you want to drive.

I love that. I can invite my dad. Racing around some fast cars. You know how excited my dad was? Oh, I bet he's so. It's like a dream of his. I know. I can't wait to see him light up.

I'm actually going to bring my stepdad with me too, so it'll be cool. I'll have the dads down there. Your dad won't fit in it. My dad's too big. He won't fit in it. My dad's too big. He won't fit in it. Get the convertible. So we're racing these cars around the track. Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it'll be similar to the last experience we did in Las Vegas, only we'll do it at Sonoma. Sonoma is a way cooler track. Yeah. Way cooler track. It's a sick track. Way more.

The track we did was like this little kind of. Are they gonna keep track again to see who's faster? Of course, of course. You're trying to get me. Way more. The track we did was like this little kind of- Are they going to keep track again? Of course. Of course. You're trying to get back. I mean, here's what I was talking about. You're trying to get back. I was talking to Doug about this the other day.

I haven't decided if I'm going to rent a car so I can beat you guys or rent a car that I want to drive because I've never driven it before. I'm more interested in, believe it or not- Depending on how well you do, you'll tell us after. That's right. I lost. No, you'll know if I'm trying to beat you guys if I if I pick like the GT3 RS if I pick a car or a car that I'm very familiar with right to race around the track because that makes all the difference on

those cars of course knowing the braking the steering what you can have the limits you can push I just can't I just can't forget I'll do the driver taking us around an SUV and just quickly realizing there's a whole other level. Oh yeah bro and an SUV. I'm like this is a whole other level too like how people drive. I was watching I watch a lot of car content and I was watching an interview from a pro racer and he was talking about you know people like myself who would consider themselves car enthusiasts, right? But I'm not a real race car driver.

And he's like, 99% of most people will never really fully understand the difference between so many of these models of these cars. Because they go up when you get from a super car, which would be like a Ferrari 488, or then you get to like a hyper car, which now you're getting into like the SVJ SF90 the 918 spider. These are like million dollar cars

the difference in each one of those stages and is is really is in the 5% more that you can only tell if you know how to get that. Yes So you know unless you know how to get 95% of that with their car squeezing the maximal amount at the low Right like you're tell then you can then you average person. I'm no that's right like so the difference between me driving a 3 400 thousand dollar supercar versus me driving a two million dollar hyper car is nothing to me It's either I it's it's irrelevant because I can't I don't even have the capabilities to take the first car

to its absolute limits to appreciate what the hypercar can do. And so he was talking about that. It's such a true point because I remember, and I tell this story all the time, my first experience of taking that Pista into the corner and the guy laughing at me that I wasn't going to get loose. You know what I'm saying? Because I thought I was like, oh, I want to learn how to get loose. And he's just like, and I didn't. But it really is, I was the limiting factor. The car could do so much more, but I was so scared to push that fast because my brain in any other circumstance out in the real world of driving normal cars into a corner, you kind of know, all of us have probably taken a corner before where it gets a little hairy and you're like,

whoa, that was a little too much, like felt like the cars would tip over or slid out a little bit. And you're like, so these cars are designed to push so beyond that. And so when you go into that, you don't have, I don't know, you don't have a reference point. Thank you. Where I can go like, okay, I could do this much more in it cuz you've never felt anything like that And so it really is you you are the limiting factor when when when driving those things around those tracks That's a good time. So I got to bring up a crazy study for you guys on Viagra Random transition. I always get excited when you bring the Viagra. Dude. So this is uh, when did this get published? I can't tell when it's got, I think it's a recent,

a recent study that came out. Viagra increases muscle protein synthesis 200% from workouts. Dude, you know what's so interesting about that? 200% from workouts. What's interesting about that is how long that has been in the bodybuilding community. I know, dude, they're always ahead.

They are. They're always ahead. There's another example of how much we talk shit about the bros. They've been popping Viagra pills before workouts. I know. 30 years ago. But it's 200% a bit, so it's so,

you know what's funny about these PDE5 inhibitors is they're turning out to be these kind of, like these really, dare I say healthy medicines because of their pro, like they're healthy for the vascular system. They seem to be good for prostate health and athletes have been using them for a while. And protein synthesis, 200%, that's like a big deal.

That's a lot. Yeah, so I mean, you wouldn't be able to tell after a week, but if you use them on a regular basis working out, I mean, that's a performance enhancing drug I wonder do they even test for Viagra? I wonder. In sports organizations? Because that's different. Classed vasodilators. It's a vasodilator. And because it's a vasodilator and that's different than you just taking testosterone. Yeah. Imagine the guy who's like 65 and he's got ED and he takes testosterone,

then he takes Viagra. That dude is primed to like flip. Literally go from not being able to build muscle, all of a sudden building this ultimate for GPs. Well, what's funny to me is if it is a banned substance in sports organizations, what you probably see now are a lot of athletes claiming to have erectile dysfunction. You know what I mean? Oh no, I need this medicine. I have to. I can't give boners. It is not. It is not necessary. It is not on the committee's list of prohibited drugs.

I wonder how many of them use it. I know, right? Yes, because do you know how many of, I remember, so albuterol. What did you think, Sal, that there is, if we know this about that, I just feel like we're so far ahead in the doping game, the underground world and what we know, right?

Like I would think that we've already figured out something that is Viagra-like but better that they're probably taking. Well, Viagra is short acting. So Viagra, you take, and it's in and out of your system. I mean, they have other forms of PDFI, but it never is that last 24 hours. So you take it, and it's just all day long.

Right. It just lasts. See, so there's probably stuff that they're using that's different. Yeah, dude, but it's funny to me that it does. recent study? I don't know if it was recent or not. I was trying to find when my cousin shared it with me and I was laughing. I'm like, oh great, is this your excuse for taking away your weights? Yeah. I want to bring all the studies home, honey. First, why don't you lift weights first? You know, talking about sports, do you either one of you guys, are you guys following

all the NIL stuff and everything like that? What's going on? Like it's, it's really reshaping sports, uh, for us. It's going to be interesting where it's going to be the next 10 to 20 years. I've seen a lot of coaches come forward that are like college level coaches saying that how, how difficult and, um, how unexciting it is to coach college kids now because of NIL deals. Because they have this pre-Madonna attitude

like pro athletes now. And you have some of these coaches came out and I was watching them in an interview. He was talking about you get this kid who gets a kid in college. Making more new. Making, yes, making a couple million dollars. And they have these attitudes of like,

I'm gonna make a million next two years and who cares whatever happens in the league. They don't even have, they don't have this drive to like prove themselves or make the big contract in league. They know $2 million is a lot of money and they can set themselves up right. And they're getting it already before they get there that it's changing their work ethic

and their attitude around the sport. And then how they- Team dynamic, that's gonna be hard to handle for sure. They have this attitude of like, hey, I'm already getting paid two million for this, I'll just show up who I am, I'm not gonna work any harder, I'll go take my shot at the league,

if it works out, it works out, if it doesn't, then who cares, I've already got my million, something I invested in this, I'll be fine at this age. How long has that been happening? It's only, we're only on, look up when it, in ideal, a little bit longer than two years now,

I think we're on year three now. Yeah, cause we gotta wait and see, right? Let's wait and see what happens. Because the other side of that is you get these college athletes that- 2021. 2021? So four years, three years.

It's really the, yeah, because their careers are so abruptly stopped. And that was a lot of their value going into it. Yeah, because- It's not necessarily, by the way, too, me bringing this conversation up is not me harping, thinking it's necessarily a bad thing because it was happening anyways. this conversation up is not me harping things saying it's necessarily A bad thing because it was happening. Anyways, it was exactly. It was made illegal

Yeah, it was back door. It was back door deals happening or buying your Mercedes Benz for your mom or a house for your father I mean there it's been happening from the coaching perspective if it's like highlighted is like, okay This is you know something that you're gonna want to have. And it's like, now it's all out in the open and it's gonna be in your face and everybody's gonna come into meetings and practice, paying attention to what they're making. The part for me that sucks is I know a few people who were great college athletes had potential for potential, right? Because you never know, right? For professional sports. They got injured. That was it. they were done. You know, and so had they been able to get paid,

because it's not like you're not busting your ass in college playing D1 sports, and it's not like you're not risking your life and your health in college sports. So it just makes sense to me. Yeah, I'm definitely not, I guess it's just interesting how it's reshaping, and now you have two, so big money, so it's just interesting how it's reshaping. And now you have two. So, uh, you know, uh, big money. So it's, it's big in the big, like, uh, you know, Patrick bet David, right? Last year bought shares in the Yankees, right? So it's a big deal by buying a sports team is like the billionaire game, right? Now it's going to move into college. So you have these, you know, you're gonna have actual like billionaires that will go out and either buy shares or buy complete

College teams now the money's all out in the open and it's an actual business and it generates millions and millions of dollars with these athletes And so now you're gonna start having it influenced now by outside money like this, too So it's just completely it's just it's almost like just the professional level is just being extended Yeah, you know, it's like now pro really starts to set their eyes, which also means probably what we're going to see is high school kids getting bags of money when they're not so high. Well, they're not adults.

That's different. They're minors. I mean, exactly. But I mean, that's how it'll happen, right? That'll be the next layer to this will be like, go find the kid who's 16 who's Dominic's parents. Yeah, cuz some of these some of these athletes I mean you could tell at a young age. I mean they just oh, yeah Yeah, but they just they look like men amongst little boys

It's 16. No. No. Yeah. Yeah, you see him. That's good. They're there. I don't know if you guys ever seen like videos and stuff of like Wimby when he was his age, and when he was a teenager, he was already mid six foot something, almost seven foot. Yeah, you just see him holding the ball, and the kids running around. A grown man amongst the little tiny kids.

Yeah. I mean, it's just, physically, he's such a phenomenon as far as not just that tall, but that tall with the athleticism that he has. It's rare. It's so rare. It's funny you brought this up because Everett had his first basketball practice and so it's

like sixth grade to eighth grade. That's like the range of this rec league. And so obviously, there's going to be kids that are huge and some kids are tiny and so ever it's on that tiny spectrum And hasn't even played like the real version of basketball and the organized basketball It's so I was just like, you know, that's when I'm on the sidelines like coaching like him just him I'm just like giving him little bits and I'm like I was trying to make sure I didn't overdo it too Because it's just like oh my god, I was like so nervous for him. And then he did great. He was, he had, he has really good athleticism and he's like keeping up with everybody. He does not

know what to do, you know? And it's just like, Oh my God, I, I didn't even consider that. And I understand it because you go back and you kind of think like, am I doing the right thing? Like, am I keeping them here in this sport? And then I'm going to do this like I have this whole trajectory for him. Yeah, you know laid out, and I'm trying to like Usher this in but then I'm like oh man like these some of these kids have been playing since they Since they were out of the womb and they're just dribbling and crossover no-look passes And you know if a kid on their team that's like basically you can touch the rim You know and I'm just like, oh my God, dude, this is gonna be wild.

So yeah, it's crazy. There are some kids that way stand out. It's just obvious right away. We're moving into getting close to Christmas. I read something so interesting today. The difference between Christmas, Xmas, so now you can do Xmas, and Happy Holidays. And I did not know that they're all,

they're all based on the foundation of Christmas. So in other words, when people say Xmas or Happy Holidays, it's all based on the same thing. So I'll tell you the history, right? So Xmas, X is the Greek letter for ch-i, ch-i, and the first letter of the word, Christos, which means anointed one. So early Christians used the ex, the ex,

as a covert way of communicating with one another in areas of intense persecution. So still, Harkin's back. Later, switching out the movable type of a printing press was expensive and time consuming, so substituting Christ with X helps save both time and money. So writing Xmas is not taking Christ out of Christmas. I'm so glad you said that because somebody made a comment underneath me putting Xmas.

I put Xmas party 2024 and someone put in quotation Christmas and I knew it was like, and of course if I look at their bio, it's like, Philippians 314. I'm just like, okay, it's like, come on. Calm down, calm down. It still goes back to Christ. What about happy holidays? People are like, oh, happy holidays because I'm not a whatever.

That goes back to the eight. We're not talking about Santa. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, so what about happy holidays, right? People will say happy holidays. Well, I'm not religious, right? I'll say happy holidays. Well, that goes back to the 1800s,

appearing in Christmas advertisements in various newspapers. The word holiday is a combination of the words holy and day. It comes from the word halidog, which essentially means a consecrated day. It's like gazootite. I can't get away.

So holiday refers to a holy set apart day. So say whatever you want everybody. Say it. I read that today. This is great. Here's a funny Christmas. There's nothing you can say. Funny Christmas story. So we did the white elephant gift for our staff.

So Katrina, Max saw Katrina wrapping those gifts for us for the white elephant gift. And Max was like, what are you guys doing? She was explaining to him that it's a game, daddy's work, all his employees are playing, it's called White Alpha, so she's trying to explain to him what it is, and he's like,

why, he doesn't understand, right? What does he understand? It's a game, it's a game, kept telling him, so anyways, I come home from work after that day, and he was like right away, daddy, daddy, did you win the game? And I'm like, huh? And Katrina looked at me, she's like, did you win the game? And I'm like, huh? And Kashi looked at me,

he's like, he's talking about the white alpha game. I go, oh no, Daddy lost the game. He goes, you lost? Who won? And you remember when we did the white alpha net, Cole stole my credit card. He stole my Caldera, can I put it like that? So he stole it.

And I said, oh, this new kid that works for daddy, his name's Cole. He goes, he stole it from you? I said, yeah, he stole daddy's gift and so he pretty much won the white outfit. He goes, are you gonna fire him? And I go, should I? He goes, yeah, you should fire him.

So I just kinda lats off with that, Katrina like rolls her eyes. Next day comes around and he's like getting dropped off at school. Mommy, mommy, did daddy fire Cole yet? Did daddy fire Cole? No, son, I don't think he's gonna fight that he was kidding. No. No, he told me he would fire him I'm waiting for him to come in and say something in front of Cole and Colby like what's going on Speaking of all these these gifts and stuff,

so have you guys, I'm sure you haven't, right? Have you recently, because I had an aunt that gave me some CBD from some other company type of deal, and she gave me a bunch of them to take to kind of relax. Felt nothing. Trash. Nothing, you feel nothing. There's such a difference between NED

and other CBD products that I think the other CBD products are either fake. It's just like oil. I don't even know what's in there. I think they're fake. I don't even think they have CBD. I'll tell you what it is, okay? Because they all fall under the supplement category,

it's not highly regulated. Because marijuana and cannabis can be very expensive, especially to distill it down to its purest version and to get real good quality with no plant matter in it, to make it really, I mean, there's a process to that and it's not cheap and it costs a lot of money. And the average person who can't tell the difference of any of those won't know the difference.

And because there's no one that's regulating them to do that, it's like, you have to have integrity in that space to actually produce a product like that. Because here's the deal, I want people to notice, you'll feel if it's real or not. If you take a CBD product, so if you take Ned and you take an appropriate dose, 30 minutes to an hour later you'll know you took something.

If you don't feel anything from a CBD based product, it's probably either massively underdosed or fake. It's fake. It just turns me out. It's never feeling good. Or it's got tons of plant matter in it, low quality. I mean there's a million things it can be, but in order for it to feel and be like what net is, that's an expensive process to do.

Yeah, the purifying process and the machines that it takes to do that, to distill it down to that purity, it costs a lot of money. And a lot of companies would rather just make it quick and easy in mass volume and sell it for 50% of the price because their margins are better than someone like Ned. Placebo effect. Did I tell you guys I was in my first parade ever?

What? Was that the boat parade thing you did? I was wondering what that was. Yeah, so. I saw that on your Instagram. So, in a parade. It was so random.

So we got invited, like our friends, and they actually came to the Christmas party. So I was already tired because we got home at like 2, whatever. And so I was like, ah, not real excited to do anything the next day. And they're like, you know what? This is the first year. They have a fishing boat, and it's there in the harbor.

And they're like, we're going to do this, instead of just watching it. Because Courtney got to go last year, and they watch. And it's a really cool harbor. And they were like, you know, we're going to do this instead of just watching it. Cause Courtney got to go last year and they watch and it's a really cool event where all the boats, they do it up and they make a theme out of it, put lights and then pray them around the harbor. And, um, and so I, I knew that I didn't even know that was there for one. I always went to like, um, the Sona and did that thing. This, this shit's all over the Sona. And so, my first time, I go on the boat

and I'm just thinking, I'm just gonna, oh, I'm gonna take it in and check it out or whatever. And he's like, oh no, he's got Santa suits for everybody. So we gotta put these things on. And then I'm just like, okay, well, whatever, I'll get in the festivities. And then we start going around and we're getting judged. And so we have to have like a whole dancing routine and all this kind of stuff. I'm like, what?

It was like, I felt like Ferris Bueller. All of a sudden now we're have to like, you know, crowd play and do all this stuff. And anyways, like the first time he even entered it, he won like two categories like out of this thing. So it was pretty rad. The one that you were on. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I like how Justin Justin's acting like I don't want to do it. You put this on a dance thing. You twist my arm. I wonder why they would. The audience will know that's right because this this will have aired after this. So the audience is probably seeing the ad for MAPS 15 performance, right?

So for sure, it's out by now. And the look on poor Justin's face when he found out that I was going to be Darth Vader. Oh. So he was trying to figure it out. Adam hadn't showed up yet. They're like, you know what? He's not here.

Do you want to put the Darth Vader suit on? I was like, hmm? Justin's like, absolutely. I'll play both parts. I'll play both parts. Hey, who wasn't that headed on? I was getting interviewed. And you guys always knew it was me.

That was me. That was me. Oh, and listen. You've mooned me before. I was going over it. We've all mooned you at least a handful of times. I was thrusting the door. I was thrusting the door over here in my Darth Vader costume.

With his codpiece Every time every time I'm getting interviewed not every time but often if I would have known it was someone we I knew I've Asked and I found out it was someone we didn't know really well if it was someone I knew you Oh, I would have came in I would have came in for sure But because I asked I was like who's who saw interviewing with it and it wasn't somebody I knew Ten years have I broken have I broken have I broken? You have an ability with that although I wasn't somebody I knew. I was like, I'm good. 10 years, have I broken? Have I broken? Have I broken? Yeah, you have. You have an ability with that. Although I really thought I could've got you at that one.

I was like, that would've definitely thrown you off. No, that was one time. I mean, early days, I was on a show. It was just probably like year number four or five, and he just presses his ass up right against the back. I feel like it's only the times where we're like, you know, interviewing somebody together, where I could break you sometimes, you could break me. Oh, I hate, oh's it's only the times where we're like, you know Interviewing somebody together where you know, I could break you sometimes Just gets like there's what there's something that had been said that nobody else catches and I'm always like that's when I don't make eye contact

So look at Justin like oh, I'm gonna start looking at them No, the best for me is what Justin does is one-liners and interviews and nobody catches nobody catches They're just crickets. Yeah, you even had a little bit of one today. What did you say today? You said something real quick. I was talking about like sandals and ink. You said that and you can see she turned and looked over at you and it was just like right overhead. I will say though, I had such a great conversation talking to her. She was, what a great interview. Erica, what's Erica's last name? Kormasar.

Yeah, we saw her at the ARC event and it was so cool. A couple things made me feel really good, right? I know that, you know, I've talked a little bit on here about it, secretly it keeps me up at night, right? I know that, you know, I've talked a little bit on here about it. Secretly, it keeps me up at night, right? Like, I recognize that there's so many awesome things about my kid and I feel like Katrina and I've done a lot of things really well. I'm also very highly aware that I'm probably missing somewhere. There's probably something I overcome. Like, what is that as a dad? Right, so I'm like, oh, so I'm trying to, I'm trying to become aware of that as fast as I possibly can.

And the thing that stands out to me the most is like, okay, I have this kid who's going to be sensitive and he's going to be soft and he's going to be all these things, but I do feel much better after talking to her because I really do feel like we did a lot of these things that our society has told us the opposite of, you know, with the really being there for him emotionally when he was ever like that, that he's been so consistent and he regulates his emotion like an adult. It's unbelievable.

It's so unbelievable and it's one of my favorite traits about him. After listening to her talk on the show, I was like, man, maybe we did a lot of those things the right way. It's a very eye-opening conversation. Maybe I'm way okay. Maybe he's nowhere near where I need to toughen him up yet. Maybe we haven't even approached that age yet where I need to get that grit

and he needs to be handle have all this adversity. Cause I've been thinking like that since day one. And after listening to her, that's not even what's important in those first three years. Those first three years, it's way more important that I'm there for him. I'm there for him whenever he he has these moments where he's uncertain or scared or whatever.

And that was something that I thought we did really, really good. So listening to her made me feel really good on that. And then it also made me feel good about being wrong with my wife because if there was something that we disagreed on early on was his sleep method. And I really came from the camp of, let him cry. He'll build his independence, he'll be all right, he'll be fine, don't worry, he'll stop. And her intuition and instinct was like, nah, I ain't having it.

And my attitude was like, okay, if you're gonna manage the nights and you really wanna go get them, go get them. And so I really didn't step in, although I disagreed and thought we should do it the other way. Looking back now, she was definitely right. I was definitely wrong in that situation. Thank God that she didn't listen to me and that she let her motherly instincts take over. Speaking of kids, did you see that the FDA is gonna potentially, we don't know yet, outlaw

certain food dyes? Coming up, they're gonna do a review. You mentioned the red. Red dye is the big one, red dye number three. They're gonna look at it. Is there a new, I guess, leader in the FDA? Did they appoint somebody new or is it the same? I don't know, that's a good question, I don't know. But I do know that the food dye argument,

the food dye argument is really starting to heat up. And I tell you what, man, I can see it in, I mean, I won't say too much, I don't wanna call anybody out, but I know a family with a kid who I saw, I saw what happened. We all ate these foods, and there was definitely, some of them were diet foods. And the kid became unmanageable and I could see it

and I told them, I'm like, your kid might have an intolerance to some of these food diets. They can actually become excitotoxins to some kids. I told you, my daughter, my two-year-old, when she got sick once, we gave her Tylenol and she didn't sleep all night. She was acting weird all night, goofy and wired all night and my wife and I were like what is going on?

And then I'm like I wonder if it was the dye in the Tylenol So then we gave her Tylenol dye free and it was a totally different experience. That's wild wild So yeah, dude, so they're gonna do this kind of review, but we'll see what the FDA does I know that these dyes are banned in other countries. Yeah here apparently we're you know, we just let them go crazy You know what else is about to be banned? Jay Z. Oh. What did I say?

Look out. Look out. Well, it's a lawsuit. 99 problems. It's a lawsuit that got filed. OK, so explain, for something to become public like that, can just anyone sue and have no grounds? Oh, they can?

Yeah. OK. So it was a 13-year-old girl, apparently. And I can just anyone sue and have no grounds or oh they can yeah Okay, so it was it was it was a it was a 13 year old girl apparently like 20 years ago, right? Yeah Um, I think so. Yeah, was it like a lawsuit before they got retracted now's back because of the controversy with Diddy I'm not sure but I know it was Jay-Z Diddy and Another celebrity was that they haven't named yet, apparently. There was three people. There's gonna be a lot of interesting information that's gonna come out. Yeah, so I mean, you know, of course,

innocent until proven, right? So we'll see what happens, but holy cow, man. If this is true. Lot of shakeups. Lot of shakeups. There's a lot of speculation around. Yeah, I didn't know that, I didn't realize it could make the news like that as just,

just from someone suing like that's the crappy part yeah that's somebody could come after you and they the news would report it and then of course public opinion is like you did it right yeah no matter what like you're screwed like he's screwed no matter what yeah if he wins the case you know he's still gonna have you know tarnishedarnished. Still totally tarnished. Wow. And there's been a lot of cases like that. There's been a lot of cases where it was a false,

especially when you're a celebrity, and I'm not taking it aside, because my personal opinion is that that whole world is probably guilty of a lot of stuff. Yeah. But also, if you're successful and wealthy and well known, you're a target. So, I don't know.

I don't know, man. Crazy, crazy stuff. I do know that there's like, ever since Diddy got busted, some of these celebrities like disappeared, moved out of the country. Not going back. There's only a couple like that. I only heard like one or two, dude.

Ellen was one of them, right? Yeah, it was like one or two. DiCaprio, I think, took off. I don't know, I don't know. I mean, that's like, there's so many famous people them, right? Yeah, it was like one or two. DiCaprio, I think, took off. I don't know. I mean, there's so many famous people, and then for Diliva, that's too much of correlation bullshit, bro, I don't like that stuff. You think so?

Yeah, come on. OK, do the math on how many big name celebrities there are in the entire world. There's only so many months in the year, so what? Every month, there's probably a celebrity moving or leaving the country. So it's like such a random. It's just a weird thing though right why would you leave

permanently and you know but my point is that there's always somebody leaving permanently you know I'm saying like there's enough celebrities that it'd be different if like 50 of them you don't say it all at one time and they were out like that would be but one or two I don't know man all I know is is Diddy got caught with a thousand bottles of lube. I mean, that's weird, bro. Okay, you ain't using that by yourself. There's a lot of celebrity parties with that. Did you guys see the Haq Tua girl?

Did you see she? What did she do? She did a coin, she did a rug pull, bro. Who the hell convinced her to do this? She did a rug pull. So hold on, how did that work? Explain that to me. So she launches a blockchain coin.

So this is a popular thing that all these famous people are getting in trouble for, where they do these rug pulls. Where they create a coin. By the way, the people who probably influenced her to do it were actually all the developers. Because they found out that 96% of all the money spent to drive the coin up to like millions of dollars were the developers. So it was a total ruse. So they created the hock to a coin or whatever. Drove up like millions of dollars and then pulled the rug. Yeah, no, you mean pulled the rug They sold there they sold out they sold out and then it just plummeted right right afterwards and there's no laws against that Yeah, there's laws against like pump and dump right first. She's gonna be she's gonna be fucked

Yeah, she's like that which is so crazy because you bad for her. Maybe she I know I should She seems like she's like not innocent, but gullible. You know what I mean? Yeah, some young kind of like she liked the fame obviously has been doing the podcasting based off of just one interview. Yeah. I mean, I think that's a pretty good guess. I mean, she's probably pretty gullible. Probably some people that founded found her as an easy mark to convince. hey, you can make all this money, we'll develop it, we'll do all of it. We'll drive it all up, you'll make this, we'll make that.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know the full story yet. That's what I, like I know that she made the coin. I know that the developers were like responsible for 96% of the purchases, so they're the ones that drove it up. I know they pulled the rug, sold it all off, and I know she's in trouble for it now. But talk about ruining your potential career

for anything after that. For anything. I feel bad for young people who get suddenly famous, because I think a lot of young people think, oh, that's what I want. I think it's, I don't know, name me a young person that suddenly became famous that turned out okay.

They're hard to think of, they're hard to find, right? It's usually turned out terribly. It's a curse because you're gonna get targeted by all these people who wanna take advantage of you. You're gonna feel like you're loved and then you're falling out of favor so now you're not loved anymore. You're gonna be exposed to all this craziness.

You skipped the best part. I mean, you talk about all the time, you're the journey man, right? Yeah. I mean that's the... Well that's a big part of it. Yeah, if the most important part of success, of getting fit, of many things, right, is the process and the journey to get there. That's what gives you the wisdom. Yeah, and the reward of it, right? The struggle, the pitfalls, the hardships, the setbacks, like that's actually the, that's the secret sauce. That's what makes it so great

is to go through all that. You have this overnight success and this windfall of money after that and fame. You skip the journey and you go right to the destination. And it's just like, to the outcome and temporarily, you know, temporarily, uh, material things and money can, can fill a void for a little while. But then after a while, it's like, you become numb to that stuff. I would hate to be in that, you know, so it's crazy to think that like, I'm probably old, I'm old enough now and wise enough to know that, right? Like I would not want to be able to just buy anything and everything I want.

Like that would suck. Half of the fun is like like I have to work and save and you know, get better and learn more and in order to achieve those things, I recognize that that is the part that I actually enjoy. If I just got it, it would be lame. Especially one of those trust fund kids and everybody else knows you're a trust fund kid

and then you're like, hey, look at this, what I got. I'm like, of course you got that. Yeah. Well remember that. You know? Well remember that. That data that I brought up on charity. I've been going down that rabbit hole of like Like worldly things that give us pleasure There's a novelty effect that wears off which is why they all become

It's like quenching your thirst with seawater So when it ends up happening is okay, buying cool things are exciting and then it goes away real quick. And I have to buy something different, maybe bigger to get that same feeling, then it goes away and I keep doing that. Just like drugs, happens with sex, happens with fame, it happens with power. You got to keep chasing, get this kind of feeling. But the virtues that spiritual processes will tell you are valuable, like charity, like struggle, like sacrifice, like being humble, doesn't wear off. It doesn't wear off.

That's actually where you find that long lasting happiness. There has to be something to be said too though, Sal, about the journey on the way to get, let's say those things, has to play a role too in the novelty effect and or the lasting effect of that. Like for example, like I there's many things that I have set as like these monetary or materialistic goals in my life. I said, Oh, I want that thing. And I know that it's gonna take me years potentially to work for and get it.

And then I then I achieve it. Right. And I truly appreciate even years later, years later, I look at that thing or I use that thing. Yeah, because it represents the work and the struggle. So that's what I mean. So there's gotta be something to be said about if it was a hard enough journey to get to that thing. That's just it.

It's not the thing. It's not the thing at all. I think when somebody accomplishes something, they'll tell you the same thing. It just reminds you of it, really. Yeah. They'll tell you the same thing. You hear stories of people like Elon Musk,

one of the richest people in the world, and he lived in this tiny house forever, and he moved from friend's house to friend's house. Because he's got so much money, but why does he keep doing what he's doing type of deal? Obviously, I'm not using him as an example of perfection, but just an example to illustrate what I'm talking, you know, type of deal. Obviously I'm not using him as an example of like, perfection, but just an example of kind of, to illustrate what I'm talking about.

But again, if you look at like, the virtues that, you know, the spiritual practices, the world spiritual practices, the religions we'll talk about, look at the data on them. That's actually, they figured it out. They actually figured it out. It's not, it's not the pleasure you find in, you know,

material things or sex or drugs or any of those things. You chase those and you'll die. In fact, if you never get those things, you're better off than getting them. This is why celebrities do so terribly because there's a lot of people in the world that chase them for the rest of their life and they don't feel good and they do terribly because they chase them their whole life. But they actually do better than celebrities that accomplish them like you get to the top the pinnacle like I can sleep with anybody I could do any drug I want I have all this money I have all this fame and their suicide rate is like through

the roof you know ones that compromise their morals and integrity to get to the thing yes they're gonna have to reconcile that big time oh yeah totally so it's a very it's a very interesting you know and here I am saying this to a 45 year old man, I think if you're young you're like, yeah I'll deal with that when I get there. Oh yeah, there's no way anyone, including myself, convinces me at that point. I had to go feel it, I had to go feel it.

I had to, there's no way. I don't care how smart, how wise, how much respect I had for you. If you told me that- Don't touch that stove, it's hot. I'll check it out myself. I gotta go check it and see how hot it is. 100%. At least for something like that. Because I touch that stove, it's hot. I gotta go check and see how hot it is. 100%.

At least for something like that. Because I think, at least in my situation, I felt like so much of the turmoil and stuff that I had, that I saw growing up was related to not having, being able to provide the financial thing. And so it was very- You had to see it yourself. Yeah, I had to go see like, you know,

and I think the lesson for me really was like, absolutely solving that equation really does eliminate a lot of problems, but it doesn't fix everything, right? Or does it make you happy? So it's like, it definitely eliminates like, oh, okay, well, I definitely will never be fighting with my wife, can we afford dinner? Or can we do like, that's definitely never a fight, right? It'll never be a fight, but it doesn't necessarily.

You don't get rid of fights. Yeah, exactly. It doesn't mean that my wife and I are perfect because we have, we have other challenges and other things. So it just manifests in different ways. So, but I would, I need to- Making money solves money problems. You're right. That's it. That's it. Solves no other problems but money problems. You're right. That's it. That's all of the problems. Yeah. Yeah, it does You know if if used in the right vehicle, it can it can also be that the giving part

That's really that's it because one of my favorite things but again remember the story to share Yes with people like there's nothing more exciting than to take somebody for a ride or take the family to a trip on vacation You know, I'm that is the most yeah, I know I'm gonna mess this up again You can look at these practices for this. I know there's a story where Jesus is referring to this woman who's a widow who gives very little and talks about how she's more charitable than the wealthy people who are giving more than she is

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All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Samantha from Alaska. Hey Samantha, how can we help you? Hi. Thank you guys so much for taking my call today. Huge fan. My two year old son is your biggest fan. We listened to you guys in the truck because we have like at least a half hour to an hour drive everywhere we go. And he as soon as he hears the intro, he shouts mind pump. And I'm pretty sure Justin is his favorite cause he only shouts Justin's name.

Yeah. All right. Um, okay. So my question, um, is about not being able to progress my bench press, but I can with dumbbells. My numbers have changed a little bit because I did write this question back at the end of July. So I'm struggling to progress with adding any more weight to the bar in my bench press. I have continued to progress up in weight with my dumbbell bench press. And at this point, I can lift the same amount of weight with the barbell

versus the dumbbells. And actually at this point, I'm lifting more with the dumbbells than I can with a barbell. I capped out at about 90 pounds with just straight regular bench. Um, and that was for a max of like one or two reps. Um, but I can use the 45 pound dumbbells for eight reps. Wow. Actually, I have tried lowering the weight and slowing down the tempo for a week or two. I even have tried like just cutting the weight a lot and just doing like 10, 12 reps. I only got to that 90 pounds with the straight bench press one time.

Now I can't even do 80 pounds for more than like three reps. I'm progressing in all of my other lifts, so I don't think it has anything to do with nutrition or sleep or anything like that. After running maps anabolic, I got my squat from 155 to 215 for my three rep max. And I got my deadlift from 155 to 245 for my three rep max. So I just don't know why I can't get my bench up. That's a great question. And it's not common.

Usually it's the other way around. I actually went through this. Did you? Yeah, a small period of time. And for me, it was one, I had just used dumbbells a lot more consistently before. And then my technique on my bench press just wasn't as good. And so until I really kind of mastered the technique of the bench press up into that point though I could always do as much on the dumbbells as I could bench press, which I know is not normal. It's not common

Yeah, it's not common. So, okay before I give you some some tips my question to you is is why is this so I mean You're progressing in everything else Is it just that you're you're just you're dumbfounded and you're like, okay, I want to see this go up as well It's not that big of a problem. Yeah. Are you going to compete? What's the motivation behind wanting to improve this one particular lift? More like dumbfounded, I guess. I am also a trainer,

so I do understand that this isn't common. And I can't figure out why. The only thing I plan in competing in is the gym that I work for, we do a competition for charity in February. And it's a deadlifting competition. So people donate a dollar for every pound you lift to our local Boys and Girls Club. But that's the only competing aspect that I plan on doing. I'm just wondering why I can't lift more with a bar. It's probably not a strength thing, but rather a technique and skill thing.

Although obviously skill and technique play a big role in your strength. Strength is a skill as much as it is your muscles ability to contract. I would practice on power lifting technique, activating your lats, arch in your back, leg drive, bending the bar, squeezing the bar. And then I would also look at advanced techniques.

You've been working out long enough, and you're strong enough to now look at things like adding bands to the bar. You could go way lighter. Even with slingshot. Yeah, you could use a slingshot would do that, right? So a slingshot, Mark Bell sells a device called a slingshot you wear around your arms.

And that for me has gotten me through sticking points. You could also try pause reps and also adjusting the volume of your training. And then finally, if this is just always an issue for you, because I think you could get your bench press higher, I really do. But if this is always an issue for you, at some point there's gonna be lifts

that are just gonna be challenges. Everybody has those. But if this is always an issue for you, at some point there's going to be lifts that are just going to be challenges. Everybody has those and you're so strong and everything else, I wouldn't worry too much about it. But I really do think it's a technique thing. But look into adding bands to your lifts. So let's say you work out with 65 pounds, I would go 45 pounds, add some resistance bands to the ends of the bar anchor them to some to the bottom

You know to maybe the bench or whatever And that type of progressive load with bands tends to get people out of sticking points. It's gotten me Tremendous results with myself and my clients. So first of all the your where your bench is that is actually pretty good already so it's not like you are suffering or way behind and it's really not that big of a deal but And hopefully this helps because this is what was going on with me was this was earlier in my my trainer career This is like, I don't know. I'm probably around 24 years old when this is going on And this is the time where uh my right side I have like my shoulders just slightly rolled forward and so when I'm pressing with dumbbells it just kind of would I could go really

deep and it would naturally put me into a better position. When I use the fixed barbell that right side was always just off a tiny bit and so I wasn't maximizing the amount of power that I could generate to move more weight and so the dumbbells always ended up matching my barbell. So it definitely can be a discrepancy from left to right that's going on here where one side you're in like perfect form and then the other side is off a tiny bit and that's why when you get into the dumbbells it kind of fixes that for you a little bit. That was what was going on with me and that helped working on the imbalance from left to right. So a program like map symmetry would be probably a really good idea to go through

that if you haven't been through that recently. And then the next thing I would advise is actually going through the Maps Power Lift program where we get all the high level coaching just for techniques so you can continue to improve on the bench press technique. Yeah. The coaching videos would be great. Cause that's really when it came together for me, when I finally kind of balanced everything out, I really got down the technique of getting set up for this was also the

part of my my career where I figured out that I had to really prime my upper back and get myself prepared before I went into bench press. Up until that point I would just go into the bench press and lift and work out and my first two sets were like my warming up or priming. I realized later on that I actually needed to do that work to balance it out and work on that discrepancy but those would be the two suggestions I have is running through symmetry, work on that if there's a left and right and balance it all and then going into power lift to get the coaching cues. The technique is different with the dumbbell bench press than there is a barbell. With the barbell you actually use, for lack of a better term, leverage from the bar. When you're lifting with the dumbbells,

you're not using your lats to anchor and drive. You're not tucking your elbows like you will with a bench. With the bench you get a little bit more elbow tuck, you get lat activation, you're bending the bar down as if you're trying to bend it around your body almost. And it's a completely, it's a different feel versus dumbbells where the elbows tend to flare out more. This is why bodybuilders sometimes prefer dumbbells because it gets a little more chest focused.

So it's probably a technique thing and then practicing that technique. Practicing is going to make everything. So frequency, if this is really a focus of yours and being able to work this and weave this into your current programming. So even on your off days, you're doing like very minimal load, if any load at all, even if it's just the bar. And you're just focusing on those like very specific techniques of bending the bar, of creating that kind

of tension throughout your body, driving your legs, and getting it to a position where you get the most vertical path possible on top of that. Then you're adding it in of your regular schedule of programming with load. But just the more times you can touch the bar throughout the week and just undulate the intensity of it and the volume so it's appropriate, you're going to get a lot better at it. It's just a matter of like the more times you introduce it, the better. That's why Matt's power lift would be really good. Yeah, have you practiced the power lifting type of bench and really, really just nailed

down that technique? No? No, I haven't. That it's, it's, bench press is, uh, it's a, it's a bit, um, misleading. People don't realize it. It looks like a basic exercise, but the bench press with the barbell is very technical. There's so, it's so technical. Powerlifters have mastered the barbell bench press with the technique and every piece of what they coach contributes to heavier lift.

It's actually, I mean, it's more technical than a dumbbell chest press is for sure. Samantha, do you have power lift or symmetry, either one of those programs? No, I only have, I have anabolic and I just got Prime Pro and I just bought my seven year old father-in-law maps bands. Oh, awesome. Let's send her power lift. Yeah, let's do power lift for sure. You really want her to do that before symmetry? I do because she's so strong with her dumbbells.

I don't think her symmetry's off. I think her technique is, and she said she's never practiced a power lifting bench lift. So do power lift, but I do highly recommend doing a cycle of symmetry. Symmetry would be valuable anyway because you're trained. But definitely do power lift. I do what I do highly recommend doing a cycle of symmetry would be valuable anyway Because you're trained but definitely definitely do power lift

I think the coaching techniques the frequency that Justin's talking about you're gonna get all that in that in that program Yeah, it'll be all laid out. You can just just so you know, like I I've trained a lot of clients where in the same session Because I changed their technique in their focus They were able to lift five or 10 more pounds in that same session. Just because I got them to really activate their lats and drive through their legs and bring their chest up and get that technique, they were able to lift more weight.

Then you'll be able to respond and have a lot better output. That's right. We'll send power left over. Thank you guys so much. All right, Samantha, good night. You got it. Thank you so much much. All right, Samantha. You got it.

Thank you so much for calling in. Yeah, I went through this. So there was a period of time where my dumbbells matched my barbell bench press. And a lot of it had to do with that. Like I was saying, I was just, I was, remember I identified as like the bodybuilder shaping guy, so I didn't care about having a big bench press. So dumbbells already, I felt it more in my chest, so I would already gravitate that way.

And then my technique wasn't there. And so it just took me catching up with the technique, working on my left arm. Yeah, you're not going to hit, you're not going to brace with your lats, with the dumbbells, like with a, you can't. If you do, it's gonna actually put you in a bad position with dumbbells.

But because you have a bar, you're actually creating leverage off the bar. Try bending dumbbells, you just end up twisting them, right? You do that with a bar and you activate your lats, you actually create leverage and stabilize the shoulder girdle and then you lift more weight. Then what's going to happen, she'll practice that and at first it's going to feel awkward, but then as she practices that skill, her strength will start to propel. Completely different animal. Our next caller is Dean from Oregon. What's up Dean?

How you doing Dean? How can we help you? Hey! What's crack a lockin boys? How you doing man? Not much. We're showing down. First and foremost I need to do, I need to redeem myself.

I called in like a year ago and I got cut off and I got trolled by you guys pretty good. So I needed to clarify. I got cut off right as I was saying, I love you guys' podcast. And it just said, I love you. So I was like. It was a great troll and I appreciate it very much so. So I just needed to clarify before we ask.

We love you too. Listen, don't be embarrassed. You can love it. Yeah. That's fine. What can you do? No, really love. Go ahead. What you got for us, man. So question about maintenance. Uh, like I last time I asked about, uh, cutting and bulking. So normally I go like a bulk in the winter time and then cut down in the summertime. Like, you know, that kind of, uh, swing, but I never really go like a maintenance phase.

Uh, when, when's like a good time to like switch to maintenance or is better just do like a full bulk, a full cut like winds. Make maintenance should be when you are at where your goal is maintenance is also a myth anyway yeah right you're always either cutting or bulking you're technically never in a pyramid it's just maintenance is you're just you're just trying to hover around as you're trying to hover and so you're it's a little bit of a bulk little bit of a cut a little bit of a bulk but it's a myth anyway the difference between maintenance and a bulk and a cut is

they're intentional so a bulk is and a cut is they're intentional. So a bulk is intentional, a cut is intentional. I mean, for longevity, for health, for getting your mind off of always trying to focus on moving in a particular direction, maintenance is great. This is where you should be most of the time. That's right. You really should be in a maintenance most of the time

and then you have these mini sprints where you cut or bulk. Yeah, that's it. You should be trying to figure out, okay, my body is happy around these calories. When I eat around these calories, I don't really put on much body fat at all. I don't really get that much leaner. I feel satisfied food-wise. That's what we would consider your quote unquote maintenance, where you should probably live most of the time. And then you have your, oh, we got four weeks, you're taking off to Vegas for the summer. So, hey, let's run a cut.

Or, hey, you know, it's winter time, I'm about to hit Thanksgiving and I know I'm gonna overeat on some calories. So I'm gonna throw myself in a bulk and intentionally gain a little bit. Like, that's kinda how it should look like most of the time is something like that. Yeah, I do a cut or a bulk when I get bored. So when I start to get

bored and I want to just you know change things up that's when I tend to do it. Otherwise maintenance is it's where you're going to live most of the time. And you can technically in a maintenance you can technically continue to body comp, recomp. You can get leaner, you can build a little bit of muscle. Yeah because to Sal's point of what he means by it's a myth is that your body is either one of two things always. It is either anabolic or catabolic. Meaning that if you're in a calorie surplus momentarily, you're anabolic. Your body is primed to build muscle or potentially store fat. If your body is catabolic, which means you're in a caloric deficit, your body is primed to lose body fat and or possibly muscle.

So you're either one of the other all the time. You're never at a place where you're not doing either one. So that's why it's kind of a myth is that. And if you do a good job of hanging around what we call maintenance, there's moments of time in that week. That's right, you're plus or minus a little bit and so you know you could always be leaning out a little bit, adding a little bit of muscle, but maintaining that's kind of what maintenance is. And you should be there most of your time.

And then you have these moments in your year where you do these short stints of cutting or bulking. Got you that. Yeah, that's I was just kind of curious whether it was, you know, like if you because it's always been like winter winter bull, like, like a slight bulk, like, like try to gain like a pound a month and then like summertime, you know, like, I guess like rap more, more rapid than that. And then make like, kind of, I guess it'd be maintaining in the summertime, but I, that makes sense to just do like little spurts, little sprints of it.

Yeah. Yeah. And what you're saying is good too because wintertime is when all the holidays happen. It's also when you tend to cover yourself up and so bulking in the winter just makes sense from a you know cultural behavioral standpoint. Logistics. Yep. We've got it. We've got it. Gotcha. So, uh, we got another one? Time for another one? Go ahead, let's hear it. Perfect. So I've been running you guys' programs just consistently, like off, like I go straight from one to the other. And I don't know if it's just like getting older and like being in construction, getting a little beat up on stuff. But it's like just getting nagging aches and pains and like my my lifts like I'm doing power lift.

I'm on the last phase of power lift just starting it But I don't know like my my numbers are like I ran it last year and I'm like, I'm way off of what I was it's just it feels like a drag like Just random things will start hurting and then it's like, okay I got to take it easy on that so then I try to like focus on something else and it's not like major injuries. Just like nagging, like, like right now it's been like pressure in the hinges. It sounds like you're super, it sounds like you're super consistent. And if you're going program to program back to back, uh, you might be doing high volume programs back to back.

I was going to say it'd be fine if you're, if you, when was the last time you ran symmetry or performance? Cause last're on math 15 yes have you read any those I've done split power lift aesthetic you didn't name one of the three that we said you should every year okay and here's a here's a good rule also, talking about, here's a good rule, we talked about cutting a good rule with that. A good rule in your programming is you need to have at least one program a year needs to be focused on kind of taking care of all those things, which would be symmetry, performance,

and or something like Maps 15. And what's great about that is that you're not going to slow down your progress. It's only going to accelerate it, but you should have a program that is more focused on unilateral type work, mobility type of work, reducing volume like Maps 15. One of those three need to be in the rotation every single year. That should just be a thing you plan always, especially if your body's talking to you like it is right now.

And you mentioned getting older. How old are you? 39. Shut up. Yeah, you're fine, dude. You got at least another year. Oh, I mean, it's not the years, it's the miles. No, yeah, no, that's sort of, I don't know what these guys are talking about, but that starts to happen for sure,

30s, and I started noticing stuff like that. Yeah, especially if you have a labor intensive job on top of that. No, you did a high volume program after top of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You did a high volume program after high volume programs, what you're doing. I think- So I have Prime, I have Prime Pro,

but I don't know if it's like a paralysis by analysis, like I get a little overwhelmed with that one. Like I like the scheduled program, like it says to do this many reps, this many, and I get a little overwhelmed with that one. So I'm not really good about that. Let me help you. I guess I should go.

Let me help you do maps 15, do the barbell version of it. Okay. So do mass 15 barbell version, and then add two or three mobility movements from prime pro for whatever area you're looking at, start your workout out with that. And then do the maps 15 barbell workout. So you're looking at how you 30 out with that and then do the Maps 15 barbell workout so you're looking at how your 30-minute workout about six days a week okay and you should see your strength start to take off by week one or two actually okay I have like blocked out like 70 minutes on

the weekdays for working out so what else mobility so so he Sal said pick two or three which I know that might not do well for you because he's not Telling you what to do I would you could literally pick two exercises from prime pro one in lower body one in upper body Okay, and you do this so pick one lower body mobility movement one upper body mobility movement Do that before you do this you have 70 minutes to do that before you train do your 15 minute Which is actually about 25 minute workout because you're doing the advanced version,

and then walk on the treadmill the rest of the time. That's a perfect workout for you. That right there is going to progress you. Yeah. Shoulder circles in 99 degrees. You got it, dude. Got it. We're sending over a map 15 to you, Dean.

Real quick, Dean, before we hang up. Before we hang up, I love you. My pump loves you. Take it easy. Take it easy man. Thanks guys, you're amazing. You gotta say no diddy after you say I love you. Is that how it goes?

That's the new thing. Good to know, good to know. Yeah, no, I knew he did. High volume after high volume. All the super intense. That'll happen to anybody. You called it. That'll happen to Anybody called it that'll happen. Anybody. And then if you're in labor job too, it's just going to exacerbate.

Yeah, you're just, it's cumulative. You have your, your acute stress and there's cumulative stress and it's like little by little, it chips away your body's ability to recover, um, and adapt. And you start, it's exactly what he said. Like I did this program before all of a sudden, you know, I just can't respond. And I knew when he, I knew when we asked him what programs we like split, you know, maybe make a note, Doug, this would be a good fitness tip for Sal that we can talk a little bit about an

intro about, because I mean, I, we've, we've mentioned it a few times, but maybe we cover it in a, in a topic where every year I think someone should do one of those three programs. Yeah. We need those interrupter programs. Yeah, and so explaining that, so maybe we'll go on a fitness tip like that, I think that'll be a good topic. Our next caller is Chris from Colorado.

What's up, Chris? Chris, how you doing? Hey guys. How you doing? Good, how are you guys doing? Good. We're doing good, man. Good.

I appreciate you taking my call. I've been listening for, oh, I'd say 2017 I started listening and so it's been a good long while. I appreciate all the content. Awesome. All right. Thank you. Oh gee. So I'll just go ahead and get into it. So I've heard you guys talk many times and I agree with all that you say about the many obvious benefits of lifting weights for health, longevity, for strength, hypertrophy, and many other great effects. I don't know if I've specifically heard you guys talk about sprinting and how that can help with longevity and health as well.

So a little background, my personal experience is I'm a former college football player after college, I got into CrossFit for a while and then just sort into like bro, I wouldn't necessarily bro, but more bodybuilding, less athletic training, I got to a point where I realized that I couldn't be athletic anymore because I hadn't done anything athletic in so long and made me a little sick. So I wanted to get back into that style of training. So I reintroduced sprinting, I reintroduced plyometrics, I reintroduced Olympic lifts, power versions specifically, so power cleans, power snatches.

And I saw a lot of really good benefits from strength increasing. I noticed like, so just your basic compound lifts, presses, back squats, front squats, deadlifts, the movements felt simpler and easier. And I even had some kind of lower back and hip discomfort, pain sort of resolve themselves. So really my question is, how would you guys suggest some just average person get back

into sprinting and more athletic styles of training? And why would you suggest that just for any given person from a longevity perspective, from a muscle building perspective, it would be a good idea to try and get to a point where you can sprint again. Love this question. Yeah, this is also why we created mass performance. This is and why we recommend it to everybody at least once a year to run that program. Power is the ultimate expression of strength. It's the most technical ultimate expression of strength. It's the most technical ultimate expression of strength. It's also, it also requires the most skill

and the best technique, right? Because if you move a heavy weight slow and then if you move it fast, the risk of injury is exponentially higher with moving it fast because it's so much more technical. You know this being an athlete, right? You know, if I squat slow, it's fine. If I jump with the bar on my back,

I gotta be really good with my technique or I can hurt myself. So this is the challenge with power training in the average person. It gets more complex. Yeah, and so now here's the deal with sprinting. Sprinting is power. It's a strength training movement.

Even though it's running, you are building strength in the lower body. And running, to be clear, just to be very clear for everybody, the human body really does two things exceptionally well, or to put it differently, it evolved or was designed to do two things exceptionally well.

One of them is throw with accuracy. The other one is to run. Okay, we're actually built, if you look at our knee joints and our hips and our glute muscles and all that work, we're built to run. The problem is we lose that skill and most people don't even have that skill. They stop running when they're 10.

So then they decide they're gonna go sprint and it's like, no, you're gonna hurt yourself. So the value of strength training is it's just, it's safer and more protective, traditional strength training for the average person. Now, if I train somebody long enough and they're consistent and I'm seeing that they're improving and they've got good technique, then I'll slowly start to move them into power, start to move them into this expression of strength because this is where you want to go.

The problem is not everybody has the time, energy, focus to be able to do so. Because it does require that, again, that level of attention and skill. It was hard enough for me to get the average person just to strength train twice a week consistently, let alone start introducing power type stuff. But I mean, yeah, if you do it, you do it right,

you're gonna activate fast twitch muscle fibers like nothing else, and you will see gains straight up, 100%. Yeah, establishing strength, stability first. I mean, that's the things we need support around the joints, then adding more load, resistance for that base support, foundational strength, and then we add on acceleration. And, you know, there's ways to do that too, and to get triple extension and to get these sort of full body movements that I do find very valuable. And I'm with you on that in terms of, you know, being an athlete and then kind of realizing, like, it quickly goes away in terms of, yeah, over time if you're not practicing this continuously,

and it leaves you open and susceptible for your everyday average kind of injury. And this is something we try and stress this a lot because as much as we weight train and as strong as we get, if we don't have that reactive strength, if we don't have that ability to withstand forces where things are moving, you're moving at an accelerated pace and now I have to react appropriately

and respond. If I'm not training myself to do that, I'm doing myself a disservice even as I age. And so there's ways to do this in terms of progressive jumps. Obviously jumping is one of those areas where we could handle that without load and really get that kind of accelerated movement and progressively kind of work on our technique with running to build up to a sprint. So there's a progressive way to do that in a pursuit, but this is again, this is why we kind of, to Adam's point, we program that into maps performance to give people a way to progressively work into that accelerated exercise.

Chris, you've been listening to us for over seven years. What maps programs have you ran? I think you guys can see I don't have any maps programs. I've always followed. It's always crazy when it's been seven years, been listening, you're asking a question that we have a program that we've answered it for you. And you went after doing this all on your own.

You could have just ran a mass performance and got everything you wanted to as far as laying a foundation. That's why it's there, brother. Yeah. We're gonna send it to you for free. You're gonna report back to, I'm curious to see what you think.

Yeah, I mean, you know, the other thing too, Chris, is you stop doing, your body forgets how to do. And this is the fact. Yeah. So, but I wanna be very clear, strength training doesn't make you less athletic, okay? Strength training improves your strength, which contributes to athleticism. So to give you an example because sometimes people say oh I lifted

weights and then I lost my athleticism. Let's let's I'll give you two scenarios one scenario you did you do what you did which is you did bodybuilding the other scenarios you did nothing which one do you think would have caused worse athleticism right the one that you did nothing. So, uh, well, I, I, yeah, yeah. I mean, I, so I wonder just to play, just to ask, I guess. So, um, for example, if I continued to lift weights, or let's say, let's say I, yeah, let's say I continued to lift weights.

I continue to get stronger but I never I never do anything athletic you think you'd be more likely to injure yourself going to play basketball of course then if you just sat around and never get anything in that way you would have just you know what happened you just been weaker you had no stamina no strength and so the risk of injury is still there because you're strong, but it's better. I mean, that's just a fact. Like you take somebody, take the average person

who doesn't work out at all, push them over. Take a bodybuilder, push them over, who's more likely to get hurt. So it's not perfect, but it's definitely better. Someone with your athletic background, someone with your athletic background, if you ran MAPS performance once a year, that's all you did, and then did whatever else you wanted to do the rest of the year, you would be fine.

That's literally what that program's designed for. That's why we tell everybody to run at least a cycle of it. If you care about these things, if you want to be able to sprint, if you want to be able to run a mile, if you want to have mobility in all the different planes, if you want those things, which I think is a healthy, smart thing to do, you run that once a year and you'll maintain that. You'll maintain that and that's a perfect foundation for you. We progressively take you through it all through all four phases. Justin was explaining them in detail, but that's how we wrote that program. Yeah. And that's the thing. Sure. Gotcha. You're not trying to tackle it all at once.

And so this is my challenge as far as, like I understand why the appeal of CrossFit is there and to be able to do these types of like Olympic lifts and explosive movement. But my challenge is to do that in a way that it's a progressive, well thought out, blocked out focus of this is my adaptation I'm seeking. I'm building strength support. I'm building that way to generate force. And then from there to now I've actually built my body to the point where I can handle a

lot of force. And now I'm going to apply that force and I'm going to be diligent about the amount of load that I introduce. And so again, it's all laid out in the program and you could see the difference of it and you could feel the difference of it. Sure. Doug's going to send that over to you, Chris. So now you got it.

Well, thank you very much. I wasn't calling for a free program, but I do appreciate it. I just hope was wanting to hear you guys sort of riff on benefits of sprinting, so I appreciate it. Please run it, please run it. Yeah, run it, let us know. I like converting people from CrossFit, so that's my goal in life.

Yeah, I've been away from CrossFit for many years now, but yeah, no, I appreciate it guys. Thank you very much. You got it man, thank you. You know, to be clear too with what I said about strength training, it's proper strength training. So could you get stronger with improper strength training and increase your risk of injury?

Yes. Yeah. Yes you could, but proper meaning full range of motion, multiple planes of Movement you wouldn't if you run your then you're better off than you were then then you You're on a cycle this every year and that takes care of that That's the whole point of that program and what we've been talking about for such a long time And it's always crazy me when you have somebody who's been listening for seven years. Yeah, don't send it to him for free, Doug Just give him a discount

for seven years. Yeah, don't send it to him for free, Doug. Just give him a discount. I'm just kidding. I mean, it was 60% off just two days ago. You know what I'm saying? She was like, take it less than a tank of gas, guy. Come on. So, you know, the one thing though, I hope he runs it.

I mean, if you appreciate that type of training, then hopefully you'll appreciate the work that we put into creating something like that so somebody has that, that they can always lean on, like, hey, man, I don't want to lose these skills and I want to age well and be able to still run sprint, do move in different planes and not get hurt. You run that once you do it, you'll be good. Our next color is Kayla from South Carolina. Kayla, welcome back. Hello. How are you? Hey guys. I'm doing well. How are you? Awesome. Good. Thanks so much for having me back on. As you know, I sent in an update and a follow up and really just a thank you to you guys. I was on the show about a year ago. And when we spoke last year, my question was, are my spin classes that I teach ruining or

hindering my progress with my goal to build muscle and strength. So at the time I was teaching four spin classes a week. They are pretty intense. It's sweat cycle, so hot spinning. In addition to that, I was in the gym lifting about five days a week and eating around maintenance, about 2000 calories. So you guys had recommended trying to cut those classes back to one or two per week, increasing calories a couple hundred and switching to more of a MAPS anabolic type split with

my workouts. So at the time, Sal, you had asked about health and anything along those lines. And I had loosely mentioned that my husband and I were not trying to conceive another child. We have one now healthy eight-year-old boy. So I'd mentioned that very lightly without really getting into it on the show, but I took your guys' advice. I cut my spin classes from four down to one to two per week. I changed to MAPS anabolic and I was still in the gym usually five days a

week but focusing on walking, trigger sessions and increased calories to about 2,200. So within about six weeks of doing that, I was pregnant for the first time in two years. We had been trying for about five and a half years. I'd gotten pregnant twice before that. And unfortunately, those all ended up being ectopic pregnancies. So February of this year, it was very exciting to know that fertility was not our struggle and that I was most likely over training, under eating, and that was probably hurting my hormones. So unfortunately, that one did end up being our

third ectopic pregnancy. But it was good to know that we didn't have to keep going through testing with fertility. And we really came to peace with, okay, if we are meant to have another child, naturally we will. If not, we are so blessed to have one and just really decided to let go and come to peace with that. So fast forward to July, I continued that same lifestyle, the increase in calories, cut back on the training because I knew it was working for me. And I found out I was pregnant. I am a little over six months pregnant today with a healthy baby boy on the way in March. So thank you so much. So yeah, just wanted to thank you guys. I had great progress with anabolic,

didn't gain weight, of course, before pregnancy and built some muscle, gained some strength and just your guys' permission and advice to really move toward that lifestyle and stop overtraining. And with the extra time from not doing my spin classes, I decided to pursue my NASM certification. So I'm officially certified to start training as well. So thank you guys. Yeah, definitely appreciate everything. Don't really have much of a question, but any suggestions for continuing training throughout pregnancy, postpartum, and then any advice

as a new trainer who I'm definitely dealing with a little imposter syndrome, just being pregnant while becoming a trainer, and then going to go into really start taking clients postpartum. So, any advice you guys have to offer is appreciated. Don't miss any of the webinars that Sal and I do every other month. So if you're not in our course already and you speak of imposter syndrome, it's something that we address

at the very beginning of that course, because it's common. It's trainerwebinar.com, and we do them every other month. You're gonna find, yeah, super valuable. As far as for you personally, during pregnancy, you're not trying to make any gains whatsoever, and you personally, during pregnancy, you're not trying to make any gains whatsoever. And you're really, really, really being gentle

and listening to your body. Mainly because, well first all the progress you made leading up to pregnancy is what you just want to kind of keep, okay? And your body's changing, I don't need to tell you this, but your body's changing. Muscle recruitment patterns are gonna change, especially as the baby grows, which means your core stability is going to change. There's

going to be less activation of some muscles, more of others. So you just want to kind of be chill, keep yourself moving, really listen to your body, be okay with taking time off if you don't feel good. Postpartum, less is more. You got muscle memory on your side, okay? So when you get cleared to exercise, MAPS Starter is what you would do. I don't care how fit and strong you feel, do MAPS Starter, start there, okay? And then you're in this really great place.

There's a huge need in the market for female trainers who work with women pre, during, and postpartum. It is a massive market that's underserved. So much value, and I would say, of all the good trainers that are out there, 10% of them know how to do this. So it's an underserved market.

So if you really get into this, on training women pre during and post It's I mean you could build your whole career out of it sir Yeah, it's it's and they just they just don't get because even the good trainers tend to view or train Pregnant women as if they're just they're just oh, you know, I'm just training a woman. It's very different Yeah, different and I can't stress enough how common It's very different. It's very different. And I can't stress enough how common the situation that you

went through is for women. And so somebody like, and it's hard for us three dudes to get that across. It's awesome when you have somebody who listens like you did. But you will be able to get to those women even better than we can because you've experienced it yourself. And so there's a lot of people out there

that you can help that literally went through or going through or have gone through exactly what you went through and you knew how important it was to do that. So that'll be very powerful in itself and you could literally just stay in that lane and be very successful. But a lot of this stuff, this is the type of stuff that we talk about in the course. So I'll be excited to see you on the webinar calls and we'll be able to take you through all that. Yeah, and you look so healthy.

I remember you from when we talked to you. You look so healthy right now, so it's awesome. Very cool. Thank you. Thanks, I appreciate that. For the training, are there specific certifications that you guys recommend beyond my CPT to really get into that niche with women?

NASM has exceptional courses that span, you have massive span of courses. The other corrective. Yes, correctional exercise is always valuable. The next investment I would make would be in our course, though, because of what you're gonna get. Because NASM already lays a solid foundation, if you're gonna go out and spend anything

and invest anything, I would do our course. And then not only that, but then you're with us, right? So every month we are communicating and mentoring and helping develop those trainers. So there's a lot going on in that private forum with all the coaches. Are you going to be training at the gym, the big box gym that you're in? So it is a privately owned gym. Um, but yes, that's where I will start training. I let them know I had a rough first trimester, so I wasn't quite ready when I first got certified,

but once I started getting back into my own consistent lifting, I let them know that I was ready when they were, but they just don't have the volume right now. They said after the new year, I'm due in March, so summer is probably going to be the earliest that I'll be able to see things. Our course will really help you build your business. And then if you wanna look for education stuff, and you can find a lot of this online, pelvic floor, postpartum exercise, that kind of stuff.

It'll help. Great. Well, thank you guys so much. I really appreciate it. Thanks so much for having me back on. Yeah, great catching up, Kevin. Congratulations. Great day, Lori.

Thanks, guys. Bye-bye. Bye. Wow, that catching up, Kevin. Congratulations. Thanks, Lori. Thanks, guys. Bye-bye. Bye. Wow, that's awesome. I love that. That's so awesome. I had one, two, three, four clients in my career that were like that.

This is so common. Where they were women that were fertility issues. And just through backing off the volume, increasing their calories, getting them to sleep better, pregnant, pregnant, pregnant. Rolled a difference. Oh yeah, it's incredible. That's why I think, I mean, she's got an entire business

just speaking to what she's experienced. I mean, there's a whole host, I mean, and it is, it's tough, you know, being three guys trying to, you know, how many times have you sat across and you just know it's like going in one ear and out the other. She's not listening. You don't understand, we's not living in my body.

She's not going to listen to what I'm saying right now. So it's always nice when you get somebody like that, as we never know too, we only get a little, what eight minutes maybe with these people to tell them what we think. And it's like, how many of them actually go and then go apply it. So, so excited. So that's super exciting. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. Justin is at mind pump Justin. I'm at mind Pump to Stefano,

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