Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2493: Add 30 Minutes of THIS for Better Gains (Listener Coaching)

Episode Date: December 20, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: Add 30 minutes of THIS for better gains! (2:10) An update on Sal’s CPAP machine. (9:28) Playing for each other and not for themselves. (15:36) The growing trend of restricting teenage access to fitness videos. (22:51) A classic bodybuilder steroid cycle. (29:01) Life expectancy is projected to stall out by 2050. (31:36) Previewing the interview with Erica Komisar on parenthood. (37:18) Red-light as a pre-workout. (42:13) Universe expansion theory. (44:34) Anglerfish mating. (51:52) Shout out to Santa Cruz Athletic Club! (54:20) #Quah question #1 – Are there any real benefits from waist trainers? Why do they exist? (57:16) #Quah question #2 – Is it a good idea to increase your NEAT before starting a workout? (1:04:46) #Quah question #3 – I’m currently on a GLP-1 and am not losing any more weight. I don't want to increase the dose anymore because I already have a hard time eating enough and I don't want to lose too much muscle. Should I lower my dose and start a reverse diet? (1:10:12) #Quah question #4 – How much would someone have to pay you all to train? (1:14:17) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Code MINDPUMP to get $50 off your first purchase. ** Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP20 for 20% off your first order of their best products. ** Limited Launch Promotion: MAPS 15 Performance public launch price: $87! ** Code 15PLAUNCH for $20 OFF. Free Bonuses: 30-Day Landmine Workout + 7-Day Overtraining Rescue Guide. ** December Promotion: MAPS Aesthetic | MAPS Symmetry 50% off! ** Code DECEMBER50 at checkout ** YouTube will begin limiting access to fitness videos for European teens. Here's why Breon Ansley Breaks Down Gear Used To Compete At 2024 Olympia US life expectancy forecasted to stall by 2050 Erica Komisar, LCSW Universe expansion study confirms challenge to cosmic theory First-Ever Footage of Deep-Sea Anglerfish Mating Pair - YouTube Santa Cruz Athletic Club Visit Rock Recovery Center for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Enter to win a 4-month, $60K scholarship!  All you have to do is complete the application to register for the scholarship.  Tom and Ben know what it takes to live a life of sobriety that is fruitful and everlasting.  You don’t want to miss this opportunity, so act fast! ** The TVA and Your Hip Flexors: Smaller Waist and More Core Definition Shrink Your Waist with Stomach Vacuums | MIND PUMP - YouTube Building Muscle with Adam Schafer – Mind Pump TV Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Breon Ansley "The Black Swan" (@breonma_ ) Instagram Erica Komisar, LCSW (@ericakomisar) Instagram  

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giveaways. All right, here comes the show. Add 30 minutes of this every single day. You'll get stronger, you'll build more muscle, you'll get leaner, you'll get smarter, and you'll be healthier. Wanna guess what it is? Sleep. Steroids.

No, no. 30 minutes of steroids. What is that? Yeah, what is that? You just hanging out. No, no, no. You're on a drip. With a timer?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have 30 minutes left. My three minutes up. I'm guessing sleep. Fueled up. Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. If everybody watching this. I was close.

Right now, consistently went to bed 30 minutes before they normally do. Just try this for a week. Just go to bed 30 minutes before you normally do. Test it out. It will be the most, for most people watching this, it will be the most impactful thing you do for your fitness, for fat loss for your gains for your testosterone for everything just that one thing right? so I what made me think of that is because it reminded me of so I said to do this sometimes with clients because

When you tell a client when the especially when they're struggling with the results this or that and and you think it's related to sleep Like rarely ever do they think it's related to sleep. How do you hype that up? Yeah, so what I would do is just be like, here's the deal, let's just like I would with food, let's track and just see where you're at. So if you think you're good, okay, and I think there's room to improve there,

let's just track and see where we're at. Okay, great, give me your numbers. We get the average of the week. So your average is just me. Okay, so let's just set this goal now. For the next two weeks, we're gonna get 30 more minutes or an hour, I normally would try and target an hour knowing it'll probably fall short

and you'd only get 30 minutes. So it's like, let's try and get an hour more, which means let's go to bed an hour before what you normally would and just, let's just see how you feel. Life changing. Yeah. Life, by the way, it's life changing on everything. And I do wanna say this, okay,

it's because everybody here is a whole Like you need seven to eight hours of sleep. That's real quick. That's seven to eight hours of sleep That's not seven to eight hours of in bed Yeah, so people will be like all get seven hours if I go to bed right now No, you'll probably get six and a half because it takes like 30 minutes uninterrupted sleep. That's right So you so whatever the amount of time that you want to sleep you need to go to bed before that because it takes time to So whatever the amount of time that you want to sleep, you need to go to bed before that because it takes time to settle into sleep.

But I was talking to my friend, his wife is a psychiatrist and she was just, we were talking about health and she goes, it's so crazy. So remember, she works with people with mental health issues, she goes, it's so crazy. She goes, I'm not exaggerating Sal, 50% of them solve their anxiety and depression issues with sleep. I said 50%? She goes, yeah. If we can fix their sleep, half of them are so

much better that they no longer have to see treatment. It does make a lot of sense. Thinking about that makes me go like, God, how many of, what percentage of chronic issues would be solved if just two things were done. 30 more minutes of sleep, exercise one time, lift weights one time a week. Oh God, that's the prescription. Literally that's it. Like literally, like literally just let's shoot for 30 more minutes every night. The opposite message.

Yeah. And full body lift weights once a week. That's it. You know what's crazy? I'm not going to tell you do anything else yet. And I know there's people that are like rolling their eyes because they do way more than that. And it's just like, oh, no, like the, I'm talking about the average American. Yeah, consistently.

Yeah, just did that. And by the way, most fitness fanatics don't get good sleep either. So, you know what's interesting is if you look at this, like look at historically, we were far more active. We ate whole natural foods. Life was stressful, okay? Don't get me wrong, you go back natural foods, life was stressful. Okay, don't get

me wrong, you go back a hundred years, life was very stressful, but the average person slept a lot more. They had nothing to do when the sun went down, that's part of the reason. Sun goes down, they didn't have all these ways to distract themselves. You know what people used to do when the kids went to bed? They'd read a normal book. You ever try to read a normal book and pass a certain time? You're going to go night-night because it doesn't keep you awake with the, the constant simulation, the novelty, like scrolling on your phone or like Netflix will, there's no light, fast cuts shining in your eyes. Flashes.

People used to sleep on average an hour more in the past than they do today. And if you go back even further, even more than that in the winter time, before it was like common place to have all these have you know electricity, people slept like 10 hours. The sun went down, you used gas lamps and it was like dark. Like try going around your house with gas lamps and you just got tired and people just like, well we got nothing else to do, it's cold, let's go to bed. Isn't it the last two or three hours where you actually get like deep REM sleep? Yeah. Yeah. That takes that whole or three hours where you actually get deep REM sleep?

Yeah, yeah. So like that takes that whole first half to even get there. But this is, it's life changing on every front. And the data, there's a lot of data on this. I'm not just saying this because I know it with clients and all that stuff, but if you look at the data, helps with anxiety and depression. We talked about that.

You are far, your body's far better primed to build muscle and burn body fat. There's a few studies that show this, but one of my favorites is that they took two groups of people, they had to meet the same calories. They were both in a calorie deficit. One of them got crappy sleep, one of them got great sleep. The group that had the crappy sleep lost twice as much

muscle, not a little bit more muscle, twice as much muscle in a deficit than the other group, and the only the was the lack of sleep. That was the only difference. Your behaviors change dramatically. Now from a fitness perspective, your cravings go through the roof when your sleep is poor. You're more likely to seek out hyper palatable foods, foods that excite the senses when you have poor sleep. So you're going to crave foods that aren't necessarily as good for you. You're more likely to overeat because it is a stress response. Poor sleep is a stress

response. Under stress your body tends to seek out more calories because it's trying to protect you. And then again muscle building, strength, injury. If you look at the data on what is most likely to predict injury in an athlete, poor sleep, nothing predicts injury more. That's how crazy it is. If you want to dramatically increase your risk of hurting yourself, have one night of poor sleep and then go work out. That's more than warming up and priming properly, doing the wrong exercises.

It's remarkable. So if literally for anybody listening and watching this right now, if you just did this, if you said, okay, put it in your schedule, say, all right, this week right here, I don't got much stuff going on, so I have no excuses. I'm going to make it a point to go to bed,

and I gave him 30 minutes as an easy target. 30 minutes before I normally do, I'm gonna literally make myself lay in bed, I'm gonna do 30 minutes to an easy target. 30 minutes before I normally do, I'm gonna literally make myself lay in bed. I'm gonna do 30 minutes to an hour before that, turn off electronics, get my body ready to go to sleep. Do it for a week. By day three, you'll be tripping out. By day three, you're gonna be like, wow, what is going on?

You will find yourself stronger in the gym. By day three, you'll find your cravings different. And if you extend this for four weeks, six weeks or so, change nothing else, you'll get leaner just from doing this one thing. And the cool thing about it is you're doing nothing, you're just sleeping. You know what I'm saying?

Which is so incredible. It's as easy as that. But what's funny about this is it's hard because there's so many things that are fighting for our attention that going to sleep is like, I just wanna watch this last episode. I just wanna scroll the class.

Consistently doing that is actually a lot harder than it sounds. It is. It completely is. I'm experiencing this right now. Now I make it a point to go to bed and get good sleep, but you guys know I have an issue with snoring. My wife complains about it.

I got it. So I got a good CPAP machine is what I did. Before I had a crappy one and it was uncomfortable. I got a good one. The first one you got was expensive. They're all expensive. A good one's gonna cost you a thousand plus for a good one, for sure.

So I got a good one. You're not selling the swallow to me no I wait do you listen Sal's convinced he's gonna get me this hey it's like a bro yes maybe if they had like one that was made in a Darth Vader vasque or Darth Vader you would actually wear it probably would yeah it does sounds it does it is a turnoff because you got to wear this thing and then you're like you know I got to wear this mask. But this is like day four, I want to say. So now my wife sleeps in bed with me. She's like, yeah, there's no snoring whatsoever.

No morning nookie. No, no, I mean, listen, are you having sex every day anyway? Yes. Shut up. You're not having sex every day. Shut up, bro. It ain't hurting anything. You're like, yeah, I guess. That's why I'm so happy.

In which case, I'm like, go ahead. No, no. I'm maybe day four or five, and I don't get an afternoon crash like I used to. I wake up, I feel like it's weird. It's remarkably different. My performance in the gym is improving. I feel good. And again, I was making it a point to go to bed on time.

For me, it was just poor sleep because of the breathing issues. It's pretty wild. So how do you, do you have to schedule sex though now? Like does that, like you? Why would I have to schedule it? Well because you're gonna go to bed and you're gonna, like for example.

I don't put it on while I'm in my room hanging out. I only put it when it's time to go to sleep I put it on well It's also normally when you get in bed is also the time you have sex too So wouldn't that be the same time? I go to bed when it's time to sleep. I don't go to bed and chill. What are you guys doing in bed? That's why I have sex in bed. That's what I normally do That's my point it's like so you okay, let's say normally a normal day Okay, let's say a non-sex day,

you get in, you decide it's time to go to bed, you get in bed, and then you put your CPAP machine on. Explain to me how that's any different than you say, tonight I'm gonna have sex, you just don't put it on. I already have a night guard. And it's like a big single. I have sex first and then I put it on. Do you have to talk, do you have to schedule it?

Do you have to bring it up? You have to be like, hey honey, I'm not gonna wear my CPAP right away because I'm planning on sex. Does that work if you have a night guard too, on top of that? No, you don't wear the night guard. Oh my God. You don't wear the night guard. Unless, I don't know if you have to because of your hey honey, I'm not gonna wear my CPAP right away, because I'm planning on- Does that work if you have a night guard too, on top of that? No, you don't wear the night guard. Unless, I don't know if you have to, because of your teeth.

Yeah, yeah. I don't think it's that complicated, to be honest. You're probably, I wonder if you're less likely. By the way, I was getting some heartburn and stuff, it's gone. Yeah. Yeah, all of it. Well, that's what my dad told me.

He was trying to picture it like that. What's your night guard thing look like? So he doesn't bite his face off. It's on the top, it just goes, it's just like a- Like a mouthpiece? Like a retainer. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Could you do both? I don't see why not. Oh my God, be like. I mean, I don't see why not. I can't imagine the noises. You know, here's the thing, obese people get a lot of CPAP, but so do muscular people, especially if you have developed necks.

So really well-developed necks, you see this like wrestlers and football players, so it's not just. Fat tunes. Yeah, and if you build a lot of muscle, you're more likely to have this issue. That's just the data, that's just the facts, yeah. By the way, what are you talking about? Anyway, I know for a fact, nothing will stop your wife,

it's you that has the issue. Yeah. She's not wearing the machine. I mean, no, I. I know Katrina, I know she don't wear the machine. So I tell you guys, I have the. Show it up and off your face. I wear those nasal, I wear those nasal strips, your face. I wear those nasal strips, right?

So I wear those nasal strips, right? When I have some congestion. I haven't been wearing them that often lately, but it's like hit and miss if I feel if my allergies are kicking up or something's going on, I'll wear that. She thinks that any time that I put that on, that's me signaling I'm ready,

I'm trying to get to go to sleep. Getting ready, this is the last thing I do is I put that on. And so if I put that on you're telling her no sex Yeah, that she thinks that means oh, I guess what pants for yeah, so she's like so so I need to like so a lot of Times what I will do is if I if I like I want to have sex and I have that nasal strip I like bring it set it next to the bed But I don't put it on because if I put it on then she's just like you never just kind of a signalist Hold on you never just tell your wife like

hey let's have sex no that's why no that's right that's like scheduling it that's why I'm asking I asked you that no I don't I'm not saying hey on Wednesday let's have sex although some people do that it's fine too but you don't tell your wife like hey let's go let's go in the room and no no I just do it yeah so get why ruin it for you and come back in the yeah, yeah, talking about it ruins it for me. Really? Yeah, yeah. Talking about it can be great. Well, there's a difference between talking about it like flirting throughout the day. That's different. Well, yeah, that happens all the time. Yeah, well, so then you know. Well, yeah, those nights are very odd. Are you getting caught off

gardens? Like you're brushing your, oh, shit, watch out. No. Yeah. No. Oh, here we go. I just feel like the amount of setting up on your face would, would. You just put it on. You just put it on, strap on the thing, and you're ready to go. Is it already plugged in right next to the bed? Yeah, it's just right next to the bed.

You don't even have to turn it on. You put the mask on, it senses like the breathing, and then it turns on. Oh. And it's silent. You can play Vader, you can play Bane. You can do all those things, dude. I can sleep on my side.

Oh, I was gonna ask you, do you have to sleep on the side? I can sleep on my side, I can sleep on my back. First of all, I've never, I could never. I sleep on my back already. Bro, I could never sleep on my back before. Now I can. I lay back and I'm fucking, and I don't even wake up at all. I don't wake up to go pee at all either.

I go to sleep through the whole night. The only thing that would make me wanna try one is to see if it has something to do with me like waking myself up and I go pee or something like that, but I don't know. The few times we've shared a hotel room, you got some breathing stuff going on too. Yeah, when we travel, I don't ever.

I'm wondering if it has to do with the travel. Yeah, cause I'll ask Katrina, I'm just like, you hear me? She'll say no. But when we travel, I don't ever get really good It's rare that we stay somewhere and I'm like a great night's sleep. They may travel see Pat I refuse to that I'm gonna travel with that bring in a hotel room plug it all in so I can hear you guys talk shit About me

Speaking of which so I can't roll back so I'm feeling like I'm sure we take videos too. No thanks. But speaking of which, so I'm feeling like, I'm feeling hyped. I'm feeling like great in the morning. So I came in this morning and I got to say this though. First, the team that we have here now, mind pump is so awesome. This is the best team we've ever had for sure. It's got old gym vibes of some of the teams that I've worked with in the past where you just get that like, yeah, like we're going to win some champions. Well, it's like the movie 300, you know, with like in the past where you just get that like yeah like we're gonna win some champion well it's like the movie 300 you know it's like the Sparta you get that oh like we're gonna go and do

this type of vibe so I come in this morning and I'm feeling good I walk I come in first of all Kyle's in here just finished working out and he's listening to some really angry metal Justin I've influenced him so soon you guys know that soon as I walk in I hear that and I was already amped and I'm like, oh, this is this kid get ugly. So I come in and then I you know go in the back get ready come out He's done and I go and I start working out and hey, I did pull-ups and I hit a lifetime PR and pull I did 27 pull-ups straight straight. No, yes, I did. I don't believe Like I'm just gonna keep going. Yeah. Well, no because I'm legit full pull-ups. Yes, I did. I don't believe it. I swore on everything. You're like, I'm just gonna keep going.

Well, no, because I'm- Like legit full pull-ups? Yeah. That's a lot, bro. I've never hit 27 on a pole. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, well, pullings, I'm really strong pulling. So that's my thing.

Don't get me pressing, don't get me doing other stuff, but pulling I could do really well. So I hit 27, which was a lifetime PR. Plus I'm light right now, because I've been cutting my calories and stuff. Oh, you are? Yeah, I'm lighter than I normally was. So that's going for me.

But I'm also experimenting with some training, which this is for a future MAPS program. I won't say too much about it. But anyway, I hit a PR, I'm feeling good. So I'm like, I'm gonna send this to our team, because we have some people on the team that love to compete, or I can tell they like to compete. Very competitive. They're very competitive.

They all do. So the shit talking started in there, and it's awesome. Maybe that's why we all feel, maybe that's why we feel that way, is that this is probably the most like athletically competitive staff we've ever had. They all compete. Yeah.

They all work out, they all train hard. They're all either in jujitsu, played sports, play sports, so we do have that. Of course, now of course, who do you think immediately went to try to break the record? Cole, for sure. Right away, Cole comes in. He's probably the most competitive.

And he's like, oh, let me, you know, no warmup, let me, you know, right away, there's starts. So I, so I don't. He repped out 22. He's a strong kid. He's a strong kid. So he, so. He's got them farmer hands. Remember I told you guys the other day

about the white elephant gift that we did and and He stole yours. So yeah, so Cole stole my cal there, right? So it was the whole lineup of Cal there I actually lose like oh my god. I want that right so I was I I got it and then Josh's turn was next and Josh was like eyeballing it the whole time and he went up like the gesture He's doing it and I said I don't let forget who who takes care of everybody's raises and bonuses. Right. And so he like you saw him just sit there and go back and forth like fuck I'm gonna take the boss of shit.

So he took something else right. He left me alone. And then as soon as it was Cole's turn Cole came over and swiped the caldera. I was like and Cole's like the new new guy. Josh is like you know what I've been around for a while. I'm gonna respect the old man. I'm not gonna take a shit. Cole I don't give a fuck.

Let me take Josh if you're editing this right now. You can fuck with Adam as much as you want We got we got we got three other guys here that alright Yeah, it's all good so that's so yeah, so Cole came in repped out Is that why his face is looking all I'm like damn? He's young so I thought was cuz you know I saw He did a post he did a post right afterwards about trying to use it because he's got like acne going on to see if it's gonna help with that. Oh it will. It totally will. Will it help with acne? Yes. Acne is a lot of it is a result of this microbiome dysregulation of the face.

So if you look at like conventional acne treatments like over the counter, like salicylic acid, benzoyl peroxide, those are all. Like antibiotics for your face, right? Kinda, yeah, they all kill bacteria. The Caldera's face serum, it balances out the microbiome on the skin. More like a probiotic. Correct, so it doesn't have bacteria in it,

but it does promote, this is why dry skin, oily skin, some act like it tends to work for anybody's skin. Like Justin, I couldn't have different skin, couldn't have any more different skin. He uses it and it's great. I use it and it's great. So gives me moisture. Yeah. But the shit talking in the group after that was just, cause I said, who's going to, who's going to beat my record? This old man can't be the strongest guy in the gym. So I went back and forth.

It's kind of crazy that it's taken this long for us to feel that way. 10 years, right? Next year, next month. Time is right. 10 years to feel like we're, and I think that's an honest feeling for, I mean, I've loved everybody. I've had positive feelings about everybody

that has worked for the most part, who has worked for us. But this is the first time that I the cohesiveness and just the all the positions everybody just seems right Yeah, you know it always felt like before I you know I really like our team But we need to get better in this area or so and so is not doesn't seem like the right fit like it's always felt Like for the first time I feel like everybody is the right it feels like everybody in the same direction Yeah, and it feels like everybody has a sense of a higher purpose and when you get that feeling in your team and I think if you play sports you've probably felt this at some point right where

you're playing with a team that yeah we want to win but it's like we want to win so bad that I don't care if it's you that does it me that does it we're all doing this together. Play for each other. Yeah and so that's what it feels like. Yeah, we were just having that discussion about, my best friend is a diehard Detroit Lions fan. And I mean, he's been in it for 30 something years. That's great. And he's stuck with them all these times.

And it's so cool to watch. The Lions are number one team in NFL right now, which is, I mean, I don't think that's, that hasn't ever been said. And so he's like, we were just talking, we were with, he was with me for the Christmas party, and we were just talking about them, what makes him, and I'm not a Lions fan, but like, I'm rooting for him

in this situation, because when you won, you've been sticking it through a team for that long, and then when you see, it's not like they're one of the NFL teams that went out and bought all the players. Oh, I see. This is like a Warriors story. Yes, exactly. That's why the Warriors were like this,

the San Francisco Giants when they won the World Series were like this. It's us against the world kind of mentality. You don't necessarily always have to have the most expensive, you know, best player on paper. It's like you find the right group of guys, girls, that all want to play for each other. It's a very powerful thing in sports and in business.

And that's kind of the vibe that I get. It's like everyone's playing for each other. It's a very powerful thing in sports and in business. And that's kind of the vibe that I get is like, everyone's playing for each other than themselves. And that's so, that's a dangerous combination when you get a group of people that are truly playing for each other. Absolutely. I've had teams like that where you'll have maybe one superstar and then everybody else is not, but they work so well together that you're, you're unstoppable and you feel like you're

unstoppable. It's a great feeling to be on a team. I feel like that with the team that we currently have, especially moving into this next year where we're really going to... The goal has always been to influence the fitness industry and help move it in a positive direction. But now working more closely with coaches and trainers, which is, I mean, look, everybody, we train clients for years, but the thing that we were known for was training trainers.

That's what we really were known for. And this is like a whole new, this is gonna be great. It's gonna be a really, really good time. Speaking of fitness, did you guys see that fitness videos on YouTube are going to be regulated in Australia for kids? Wow. Really?

Fitness for kids? Well, for like under 16. So let me pull up. I'll pull up what's happening. You know, I don't necessarily disagree with this. So it says YouTube will begin limiting access, sorry Europe, not Australia, Europe. YouTube will begin limiting access to fitness videos for European teens and essentially it's to prevent or help mitigate these body image issues. Because you guys know our space, okay? So fitness could be great, it could be great

information that's coming to your 15 year old. I don't even know if I'm a fan of that. How to get fit and strong and healthy. It could also be like how to look this way, body obsession, get shredded as fast as possible, which, you know, I have teenage kids. I wouldn't want them to, you know. I mean, I don't think YouTube is the greatest offender

of that. I think Instagram, where people post. They need to get their sexual stuff first. Post Photoshopped photos and perfect pictures of themselves all on their profile is far more dangerous for your teenage girl or boy than a YouTube video where someone actually has to communicate and talk and show something. Even if it is a body-obsessed type of person, but they're talking, they're communicating, they're not photoshopping their body. I think that's way more dangerous to young teenage kids.

I think you're going to start to see this trend grow. Well I told you about Instagram, what they did, right? They put in those things. I don't know if either one of you have even checked that out yet, I'm curious. No, no, where you go and you have like a filter. A teen account, yeah, so now Instagram has like Instagram teen account or whatever, so I don't know all the logistics. So I think this is like,

because I could easily break this up, you know, shatter this, be like, oh cool, so fitness videos are gonna be limited, but what about these other stupid videos that kids watch and whatever. But that's not the point. I think that they're trying to move in this direction because the data is showing just how negative

social media, new media can be for people under a certain age. And they targeted fitness because they found that it promotes, there was a study they did in 2021, and here the quote says, it promoted unhealthy behaviors and that viewers reinforce those practices in the comments. Now you guys know our space, you know that there's a lot of shit in our space. So for anybody who works in fitness who's like up in arms We did it to ourselves everybody So if you're doing things the right way

Keep doing them the right way and continue to and do a better job than the than the people that are doing the wrong way And then stuff like this won't happen I guess I'd love to see some examples of what what triggered this right? It would be interesting to see what because they've obviously collected a bunch of data on these things and said like, oh, these types of things they're doing, these, like, what do those look like? Like, what?

Well, so they gave a list. They said they're gonna limit repeated recommendations of videos that idealize particular fitness levels or weight groups, compare and idealize certain physical features, or are socially aggressive, meaning they show intimidation or fighting. It's such a broad category, like what does that mean? So like sports performance, like how are they gonna

deal with that, you know? Because obviously they're trying to target like the aesthetic, like body-obsessed sort of messaging. We're gonna have to wait and see, I guess. We're gonna have to wait and see. Was it just proposed or is it passed? No, it's happening in Europe. Oh, so it's actually happening. Now, according to this, it was already

rolled out here last year. It was? Yes. Oh, interesting. I didn't know that. So this is under teens. This is for 16 and younger. And younger. 16 and younger? Is what it says. So interesting. I mean, you know, if you're a fit... It's why our YouTube channel doesn't grow. With interesting. I mean, you know, if you're a fit, it's where it's why our YouTube channel doesn't grow with probably kids. Well, hey, look, if you're a, a, a fitness

influencer, I mean, they're not really consumers anyway. So, you know, you should probably be targeting older people anyway, is the way I look at it. I mean, what, what are 14 or 15 year olds going to buy? I mean, I guess you're selling. I mean, maybe not now, but if you stay in business for 10 years like we have, then those are buyers. Well, they'll grow up. Yeah.

And then they won't be limited anymore. I don't know. I think it's, I could see why they're moving in that direction. I really can. I don't know if it's, I don't think it's enough. I don't know if it's necessarily fixing anything. Yeah, I don't know if I like it.

You know, I'm not sure, that's not sure. I mean, I don't know, I just, when I think of the, like I think of, obviously my son's only five, right? And I think about the things that, okay, when he gets to that age where he's gonna be interested in these platforms You know is YouTube fitness channels what the first thing I'm thinking about it's definitely not what I was thinking about I mean, I wasn't thinking that that's gonna be that's where I could tear it apart You know, I don't think the fitness videos are the worst even close. No, that's exactly. That's right I mean, it's like I mean if we're gonna regulate something like that,

why would, I'm not sure that's the direction that I would go first. I think there's a lot of things. And again, don't you guys think that like the Instagram profiles are far more detrimental than like a YouTube channel where there's communication and talking going on? I think what could be the worst is if my son or daughter had 100 fitness people they follow and then those 100 people are all shredded and every photo on their profile is how amazing they look.

That to me I think would condition his brain to believe that's reality and that's more dangerous. Are they limiting beauty stuff for kids? Probably not. Exactly. That's bad too. I mean, you've seen some of these beauty videos that teenage girls are watching about your makeup and how you look this.

And pageants and all that. Oh yeah. Dude. You know what's crazy about YouTube is the comments. I think they're starting to get ahold of this, but in the comments you get these weird cross communications and recommendations to things that were just sketchy as hell on YouTube. We talked about that.

Well, I mean, that's why we can't let Max, I mean, we don't let him use YouTube for that reason because it doesn't even matter if you're watching a kid video or not, but he likes one, goes in and then by the time he's, thanks for your note. Yeah, by video nine, all of a sudden we're watching really adult shit that he shouldn't be watching.

Spider-Man's doing inappropriate things. Yeah. They had to, I saw that. I swear to God, that was a thing. I. Spider-Man's doing inappropriate things. Yeah. They had to, I saw that. I swear to God, that was a thing. I know, I know. It was awful. Crazy, yeah.

Anyway, earlier, Justin, you talked about steroids. You said 30-minute steroids. Dude, a bodybuilder, a classic bodybuilder, you guys know the categories, right? There's like the open, like the big monsters, and there's a classic, you know, where they're a little smaller built, they're supposed to look like a classic.

They look like 80s bodybuilders. Yeah, so a classic bodybuilder, Breon Ansley, actually gave his steroid protocol for 2024. Bro, these guys are using so much stuff. That's crazy. You wanna hear what he's using? Oh yeah. Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, okay? so every Monday, Wednesday and Friday he uses 300 milligrams of

testosterone stipulant. So that's already 900 milligrams. 300 milligrams of Mastron. 300 milligrams of Primabolin. Then on Monday and Friday, we're not done, he adds Trenbolone at 200 milligrams and then Arimidex. Then he's using HGH for I use a day, Monday through Friday. Then two weeks before the show, Halitestin 20 milligrams pre-workout and then Peak Week 40 milligrams. Bro, they're using grams of stuff to look like a classic bodybuilder?

That's crazy. It is crazy. They're trying to look like bodybuilders of the 80s, but bodybuilders in the 80s didn't use that much stuff. It's crazy. The biggest mistake or misunderstanding that I think a lot of these competitors had, I remember this when I was in it, was that the, which is funny because it's the same mistake I made as a kid thinking that that was the difference of like me and the magazine covers was, oh it must be the stair roads, must be the stack or whatever. And so a lot of these competitors, that's what they, they go, oh man I didn't, I didn't place the top five guys, they

must be taking this. They hear, they get catch win that the guy that was took second or first was using this or that. Oh I'm not using that, I need to throw that. And it just keeps stacking all this you know it's like so, so far from the truth, especially classic and and men's physique like those categories. Just for reference for anybody listening, I just said a bunch of numbers nobody understands. Like what does that mean? Testosterone replacement therapy is between a hundred probably 150 at the high end 200 milligrams total a week. What I just quoted was grams a week of anabolic. So it's many many many many times above and beyond and that's what he says he uses which you know bodybuilders are notorious. He's downplayed a little bit. Yeah it's like

asking someone how many people they sprinkle. Here's what I mentioned the D-ball he's sprinkling on Tuesdays and Thursdays. I's freaking crazy. I know it's wild anyway. I just read a study on life expectancy in the U S, uh, they predict it to completely stall out by 2050. Yeah. So even with medical advancements and all that stuff, um, I hear so many conflicting articles in regards to our life expectancy, up, down, going backwards, oh, we're going to be living.

So this one says that we're going to stall out. That it's not going to keep going, yeah I guess our trajectory is we're not going to have an increased life, which is crazy because of all these medical advancements continue to happen. Yeah. So because I would, Is this because of the average of like,

there's just going to be an influx of people, like unhealthy people dropping off? Thank you, yeah because what this doesn't say, yes people are living longer, or the same amount, so let's say the life expectancy is the same, but are people living worse? Are they kept alive by more and more medical interventions? Do they have, are they more likely to have diabetes?

Are they more likely to get cancers? People survive certain cancers at a much higher rate now than they did before. So they might've died before, but why are they getting them in the first place? And are they getting them at higher rates? Are they getting, you know, they're surviving from heart disease better because of certain medical interventions, but we're still getting them at higher rates. So that's the thing that nobody's talking about is that. What are the numbers say here, Doug?

So in 2019, it was 79 years. In 2020, it went down two years to 77, 2021 was 76.1. Holy shit. Last year went up to 76.4. Yeah. 2022 actually. Yeah. It went down uh it wasn't because of COVID. 76 is life expectancy? Yeah. Wow that's a couple years Doug. Yeah. Didn't see? Yeah. Wow, that's a couple years, Doug. Yeah. I'm going to beat the odds.

We got to throw a big one for you when that hits. You know what though? I forgot what the number was. It was something like if you make it to 65, you're way more likely to make it to 80 something because that takes everybody into account. But I forgot what it was. If you make it past a certain age, the odds that you'll make it beyond 75 or much higher. And I can't remember what that number was. Oh, I didn't know.

So what do you mean this, this is averaging this? Someone had died at 20 or 30. Everybody. So it's from birth. So there's a lot of, you know, people who die at birth and things like that, that affects it. People that died in their fifties, people that died in their fifties. Oh, so that's not a really good number then. That's average. That's average. Yeah. And you're taking in people that died at 20. In other words, if you make it to 70, the odds are you're going to make it beyond the

average of 77 or whatever it is. Oh, see, I'd like to see what that number is. I can't remember what it was. I remember reading about that. But it can't be that much more. It's got to be like in the 80s. Yeah. I mean, that's not bad.

Another 10 years. It's not bad at all. I mean, the difference between a 75-year-old and 85-year-old is big. What's really crazy about that is the way we've structured our society, too, where it's just like you work all the way till you're 65 and then you retire. It's like you work your ass off for this retirement and all this stuff with that, then you really only

have 10 years of that. We forgot Viagra, though, so it's good. This is true. Did you know? This is very true. Who was it? Was it you that brought this up? There's a real statistic that when Viagra first hit the market, there was one age group that STDs like started to spike through the roof.

Yeah, that was very revealing. It was care homes. Shut up. Yeah, I would. What is, what do you think, what do you think the percentage of like sex that's going down a care? No, it's not. It is no. Yes. It is stop. Look I a listen I trade why you ask a duck Your dude in a retirement home, you're a stud bull. Do frequently visits there. It's easy Shooting Stand up As he picked his rounds. Shooting fish in a barrel. It's like, it's lay down, man, it's lay down. Yeah. You can move. Because I can't stand up.

As he's walking through, women are pulling their dentures out, whistling. I. Oh. Hey, Dougie. Hey, Dougie. Ch-ch-ch-ch. I.

I've seen you in a while. I used to train, you know, I had a lot of clients that were in advanced age because I trained a lot of doctors at one point. They would refer patients, a lot of them were advanced age. So I've trained a decent amount of people who lived in care homes and they were almost all women except for one man. And you know, you get to know these people really well and they love me and we talk about

everything. And yeah, dude, if you're the guy in the care home, you're like one of two or three men and it's all women and you're the stud. Yeah, there's a lot of funny sitcoms and movies about needs, that scenario, right? Like the guy who comes in. Oh, I trained one woman and she would, I'm not gonna say the guy's name or anything,

she might listen or whatever, but she said that, I'm not gonna say the guy's name, we'll just say his name is Vince. She would talk about this guy named Vince and she'd say, oh, she's like, oh, Vince, he's the stud of the, and I'm like, what do you mean? She goes, all the women are, you know, I get to hang out with him on Mondays,

but then on Wednesdays he hangs out, are you serious? She goes, yeah. Yes, many senior citizens are sexually active. National poll of healthy aging, 40% of US adults ages 65 to 80 are actually sexually active, and 73% are satisfied with their sex lives. That's incredible.

That's great. 26% of 75 to 85 sex lives. That's incredible. That's great. 26% of 75 to 85 year olds were still having sex. Wow. Yeah, dude. Wow, that's incredible. That's the STDs. And what they said in the study was, the studies, because the STDs went up,

was that because of their age group, they grew up during a time when, you didn't use condoms unless you were trying not to get pregnant. And since they couldn't get pregnant, you know, 87 year old, you know, whatever dude, he's not using a condom, having sex with Gertrude. They're going to... He's going raw. And they're just going for it. It's just getting passed around the whole place. Oh yeah. Anyway. It's just getting passed around the whole place.

Yeah. Anyway. It's wild. Did you guys, after our interview yesterday, did you guys go home and talk to your wives about the interview at all? I did, actually, yeah. Yeah, how'd that go?

How'd that land? She was very interested. Yeah. My wife's very into the data and stuff. So what she was talking about on the show, I've heard my wife talk about so many different times. So I she was talking about on the show, I've heard my wife talk about so many different times. So I went home, like, honey, you've been saying

some of this stuff forever, and we just did an interview, and yeah, I just heard it from an expert and stuff. So we talked about it for a little while. But she's been talking about this for the last eight years. She's been talking about this stuff. Yeah, there was some things she brought up in there that were like, you like, it sounded like, ooh wow, that's a powerful statement

or somewhat controversial, but the more I thought about it, I was like, wow, this is really controversial. Oh yeah. Yeah, some things she brought up. Oh, it'll be interesting. I'm curious to see the response. That's how Katrina said it.

Katrina's like, well, I can't wait to hear the feedback you guys get when that goes live. She's like, it's going to be interesting how many. I mean, when she said that comment to me about treating it like a crisis. So what you referred to the reference, what you said was, because so what she said, what was her name again? Erica.

Sorry, Erica Commissar. Sorry, she's phenomenal. Controversial, but she's citing actual data. And she was talking about just how detrimental it is for moms to go to work in the first three years of their child's life. It's very detrimental. And the question you asked was,

well let's say you got two working parents, they got a mortgage, this and that, what do they do? And she goes, well, if you have a crisis, what would you do? You would basically change your lifestyle. You gotta re-prioritize. To make it happen. It's that big of a deal.

And a lot of people. She was coming in with the facts and like, you know, just. A lot of people don't wanna hear that. That's the thing, it's hard to hear sometimes. Well, and then she had said the heavy statement of like, you know, and she was clear, she was like, let me be clear, she was like, we're not talking about people that are poverty stricken, where it takes both incomes

just to put food on the table and barely get by. And you're like- You don't have that option. Yeah, and you don't have an option like that. We're talking about, she's like, middle class people is typically what you see. And you go, and that's a choice. And that's a choice that you are making

as an adult that you want. That child didn't ask for that, and it's like oh god, that was like, that one hit home like, so true. It's like a decision that we make as adults that we want for ourselves or as our family when it's just like, you know, that's not what the kid necessarily wants. The ones that hit me, you know, really hard or, you know, when your kid throws a tantrum or whatever, it's so easy to look at it as acting out and to be like, oh, you want to throw a tantrum or whatever, it's so easy to look at it as acting out and to be like, oh, you wanna throw a tantrum, you go over there and when you're ready to come talk,

a lot of parents do that. And she's like, well, that's because the parent can't regulate themselves around it. And I'm like, oh, that's true. Because I feel myself get, brr, and so I'm like, no, you go over there and scream. And she's like, think of it like a seizure. That was what she said.

If someone's having a seizure, do you just leave them alone or do you go and support them? And I got emotional when she started talking. I'm not gonna cry on this podcast. We'll hold this in right now, because I've done that before. I thought the postpartum talk was crazy too. I thought that was really interesting too

to think about it like that, that all that type of stuff is it's revealing post-trauma that you've had, that it's said that you've had that you haven't dealt with post-carbid depression. If you have childhood trauma that's un-dealt with and then you have a child, it will come out. That's why I thought that was controversial. I don't know how that's going to be received. There's a couple things that were said that'll be...

Well, the world is organized, but it's not a surprise. If I say the following statement, everybody listening this will agree, the world is organized, it's not, but it's not a surprise. If I say the following statement, everybody listening to this will agree. The world is organized in a way to where you are going to be, if you follow along, you will be fat and unhealthy and sick. Everybody knows that because this is a fitness podcast. Yeah.

You know that. Okay. Do you think the world is organized in a way to make your child emotionally and mentally healthy? Do you think the world is organized in a way that's good for us in any way? It is not. No. So if you do what you're supposed to, you're doing probably not ideal, not good.

Right. So this is true for everyone. It's just highlighting how much we've kind of drifted off in terms of, you know, what messaging is out there. Well, I'll give you an example. She said she was going to go speak to Congress to try to talk to them about coming up with a way to give mothers long paid leave right so like they don't have to go back to work for two or three

years it's just us and like Papua New Guinea or whatever that doesn't provide okay so so watch this if Congress if you try to convince Congress to do that you know what they're gonna do they're gonna flip it and say care money we're gonna pay for people's daycare for three years yes because keep them go working rather than don't go to work stay at home be with your kid no no we're gonna pay for people's daycare for three years. Because keep them working. Rather than don't go to work, stay at home, be with your kid. No, no, no, we're gonna help moms, the way we're gonna help them is gonna pay for daycare.

See how opposite that is? And that's a much easier to sell, because we're so convinced that that's the way to go. I know, I know, it was really, really crazy stuff. Anyway, have you guys tried, we talked about this on a previous podcast, have you guys tried using the Juve Red Light as a pre-workout?

No, I haven't used, I've been wanting to do that because you brought that up. Okay, I have yet to do it. I'm gonna start. I was talking about wanting to do the plunge and that together then go. I'm gonna try doing it this week because if it activates your mitochondria, it makes

perfect sense to do it. It does activate your mitochondria. That's how it works. To do it and then go lift. That's got to be one of the best. It seems like it would be a difficult one to measure though. I clearly feel a difference the first time I cold plunged before I went and worked out. It was noticeable, like, like whoa this is crazy I feel like the red light before will be

more difficult to feel it it shouldn't be I don't know I don't think it'll feel stimulatory I think you'll feel like you could get more reps and get a better pump yeah that's what I predict anymore more usable energy yeah like you like workout huh cuz I'm gonna target like the muscle I'm gonna train so I'm gonna do like if to train. So I'm going to do like, if I'm hit back, I'll do it on my back. If I'm hit legs, I'll do it on my legs. Then I'll go work out and then see if I notice a difference. Especially I wonder like the high rep type of workout that you really, you know, more stamina.

Yeah, maybe that might be it. Yeah. I'm going to try that. I'm going to do the high rep. Yeah. And we have one here, right? That's up in here. It's, it's in this room right here behind us.

I'll tell, I'll tell the, I'll tell the, the kids out there to give it a shot too, because they all work out here. Yeah, that would be a good idea is to try and get a group of us to do it so that you get more than just one opinion on what it feels like. I just feel like this one will be a little more difficult to feel as, like, in comparison. You know, we have to test it. But if it does, for sure, fuel the mitochondria, so you should notice a difference. You should notice a difference in your workout. I mean, no matter what, the research is clear enough to show that it's positive. It's beneficial.

Yeah, it's beneficial, the question. It's always hard to get people to do things though that they can't feel, right? It's like, there's a lot of things that are beneficial to us that many times you probably don't do it, and a lot of the reason why you don't do it is because it's not this obvious, like you notice a huge difference.

How we started this conversation, like one of the reasons why the sleep thing is so huge is because you tell someone to get that 30 minutes more sleep within day three. They notice. They notice. And it's like, okay, now I'm a believer, I'm bought in. It's like trying to get people to do things

that it's harder to feel or imagine. Also, they just confirmed what the Hubble telescope had shown with the new, um, the new imaging telescopes that we have. Where this was a big conundrum or a big mystery for, um, for scientists where the universe seems to be expanding faster and faster. So, you know, the whole big bang theory, right? Like everything started in this one tiny point, all matter, all time, all space was in one point

and then it exploded. And it should slow down its expansion as it cools and then contract again, right? But what they did with the Hubble telescope was they were, I think they were measuring the distance between stars. I don't remember how they were doing it, but they're like, is weird the universe expansion

isn't slowing down it's speeding up like this makes no sense whatsoever well they've confirmed it with further testing the expansion of the universe is speeding up which does that point fly even younger or older or like some other factor there I mean they can't figure it out. It doesn't make any sense with their models. So what are they injecting into that? Dark matter, dark energy, to try to make up the difference for what the hell's going on? Because it makes no sense that it would

accelerate its expansion. I love this kind of stuff, because it just goes to show how little we know about everything. Right when we think we are onto a good formula, it just gets pulled out from under. Yeah, it's wild, right? Where are you reading this out right now?

I just pulled it up on sciencedaily.com, by a great site if you want. You've shouted it out a few times. Yeah, I love them. But yeah, they did this from the James Webb Space Telescope. So it's a mystery. That's the most powerful telescope that we have? Is that the new most powerful one?

I think so. I think it is. This is the one that did all those high res images of galaxies and Milky Way and everything. I remember they did a comparison of the previous telescope they threw out there. Oh, they show the two images? Oh my God, is that high res? Oh, I haven't seen that.

It looks so sick. Yeah, maybe. It it worth checking out Doug puts in a Hubble telescope versus Webb telescope. You'll probably click on vibrant colors. Yeah, the web is the newest Yeah, Doug, if you go on show me a computer if you go Hubble Hubble versus web and then click on images Okay, it should come up and you'll see the two next to each other and it's like bro It's like your old flip phone camera, which is like the iPhone camera. And what's the difference in years of creation?

Quite a few, quite a few. Quite a few. I mean like probably 20, 30. Yeah, probably 20, 30. Okay, so it's been a while. Yeah, because we throw them out in space, right? So they could get better picture. That's not it right there.

That was a good picture. It's a screen saver. No, yeah. Okay, so left to right on that. Top bottom. Yeah, so. Wow, OK, left to right. OK, I see.

Wow. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, it is crazy. You know what's crazy too about this? A lot more detail now. I love this stuff, because again, I love the mystery of the world and life. The further out they look, they're just looking back in time.

I know. What? That's really time traveling. The further out they look, they're looking back in time? Yeah, because light takes time to get to the lens. Yeah, it shoots out. So when you're looking at something, you're looking at... You're tracing back. ...millions of years into the past. You're not looking at what it looks like right now that far. You're looking at what it used to look like, because that's how long it takes

the light to get there. Millions of years? Okay. How about this? I'm going to trip you out right now. Okay. Sounds like you're carbon dating. Keep going. No, no, no. There's logic to this one though. Yeah, well, okay, let me wrap my brain about what you're trying to communicate to me right now. I'm looking through the, I'm looking through the web telescope. I'm looking at the web telescope right now and then what I'm actually seeing is in the past. Millions of years ago? Well, let me give it to you this way. Or like a couple days ago.

Put on some sunglasses. Put on some glasses that allow you to look at the sun. What you see is seven minutes ago. You're not looking at the sun right now. You're looking at seven minutes ago. Yeah, okay, this is where I'm, okay, yes. So go out far enough. I understand how the time that light takes to travel.

So I understand that you're looking at something by the time it gets to you, that was in the past, right? I get that. But you made a jump from seven days to millions of years. Like it can't be that far, is it? When you go to the observable edge of the universe and you use the speed of light as your calculation, then technically, yeah.

If light is traveling unimpeded that from that far of a distance You can see something that far light years. Mm-hmm. So you're looking at things light years away So one light year is how far in distance Doug? Maybe look maybe look that up Yeah, bro, if you travel the speed of light, you know How long it'll take which also means that if something happened that we were gonna run into or was gonna hit us you would know years in advanced Potentially. Yeah, If it's that far. Well, like if we're looking out at this thing and you're telling me millions,

let's just say you're exaggerating by millions and it's more like a thousand years ago, thousand years ago. Stop pressing me on this stuff. Cause this is, I've read this. This is the shit that I've, I got a question. It's like the carbon dating bullshit. You know what I'm saying? No carbon dating is different. What do you mean no, but the same category. It's very similar category. No science. Look in religion. Okay. It's all, they're all,

all in another category here. This is all mathematical though. So a light year in miles about 6 trillion miles in one light year. Yeah. So I have, so we can't see more than 6 trillion miles out, can we? Yeah. We can see beyond 6 trillion miles. Yeah. Really?

The power of these telescopes is nuts. I know. I mean, so the sun is 8.3 light minutes from the sun. Oh, I said seven minutes. I was off. OK. Yeah. Sorry.

Oh, I'm not. I didn't challenge your sun. I'll discredit you. I'm not challenging your sun. I'm challenging when we start getting. Forget it when people start yet using numbers like millions Millions of years like oh, come on. Stop it What does that say right there what is that that little Pictograph say there. Yeah, so

Or 2.5 million light years from Andromeda. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so there you go. Near its large galaxy. So we see, we're looking at Andromeda, that was a long time ago, because of how long it takes the light to travel to us. Yeah, and then relay it back to Earth, because didn't they shoot it way out in space? What?

The telescope. Oh yeah, I don't know how far out, I think it's... I think it's out there. Yeah, I think it's going, isn't it a satellite around yeah, I don't know how far out I think it's It's out there. Yeah, I think it's going isn't it isn't it a satellite around earth Fascinated in it for sure, too I just I will sometimes we we speak in like certainties around stuff that we well the expansion of the universe really know so less than we act like we know. I mean, that's what I like. That's what I think is fascinating, the wonder, right? How little do we know of all this stuff?

I wish more science dorks would communicate it that way, though. You know that this is what we think. Why do you talk like a bully? Like, you can talk normal. You don't have to call them bullies. Because you know why? Because they try and bully other guys.

They try and bully dumb guys like me. So this is me bullying right back. It's different bullying though. It's like online bullying. Not real bullying. Real bullying means you gotta be bigger than me, dude. No, I mean it's just like we say stuff and it's like, oh, then we put it in, print it in books and we make it like so factual. And it's like, ah, we're still trying to figure this out. Let's be honest. All right. You want some cool science? How about this? More fake science. Look up anglerfish mating.

Yeah, anglerfish mating. I'm surprised Justin doesn't know this. Do you know this, Justin? I mean, I know they have a luminescent little extension off their head, right? So they light it up and wiggle it around. No, no, no. Tiny males fuse to a female sometimes.

Fuse? Yeah, they'll mate and then become the same. Molded together? Yeah, they literally, the male will like blend in and meld to the female. It's called sexual parasitism. What? That's like next level, dude.

That's like, I mean, they read all the books. Isn't that weird? That's what the fish looks like? Yeah. That is wild looking. Ugly, ugly ugly looking fish look at that thing Wow yeah we haven't even figured out what everything's in the ocean dude it's right here next to us mm-hmm it's fucking no not even a light year away and we barely know but yeah we're gonna we're gonna talk factual about stuff eight million

fucking years away oh yeah for sure what's going on over there wait a second you mean in this water does pull a water right in front of you you don't even know what's going on over there. Wait a second. You mean in this water, does pool of water right in front of you, you don't even know what's going on there. You're good. You're going to tell me something eight million years away. It is interesting. You know, focus on the yes. It's right here in front of you. You can go touch it. You could touch the water. You really don't even know what's at the bottom of it. But then we're going to talk about how we know some so far away. So crazy, dude.

See like it's, it sucks to be a male angler fish. They're closely, they attach to the female and they lose most organs becoming sperm banks. Oh That's terrible absorbs. So the female absorbs the male for the most part. Yeah, he's just kind of a useless head there like I just producing That's brutal, I mean it's not as brutal as the praying mantis. What are they? Are they eat? Yeah. I just say they are after she mates, she eats them, right?

I saw a video of a praying mantis kill a lizard, a lizard. They're bad ass. Yeah. They're pretty, they're pretty bad. If they were bigger, we'd all be doomed. Yeah. They're, they're awesome. Science fiction movie waiting to happen right there. I guarantee you that in like the sixts. Oh, they're really cheesy Yeah, okay. I told you I had my cousin when he was little his dad bought him praying mantis like like I don't know if those eggs or whatever and he dropped it in the house and they like They were fighting praying mantis all over the place. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're like killing everything though like

You want those in your garden, right? Yeah, yeah. Because they take out all the bad bugs? Uh-huh, yeah. Yeah, they're bad ass. So we were gonna shout out that gym in Santa Cruz. Oh, Chris again? Let's do it. Yeah, let's keep doing it, because you were talking about how they're, oh.

Yeah, so he is, so yeah, Chris, what's the name of the? Santa Cruz Athletic Club. Santa Cruz Athletic Club, yeah. So Chris is, I know they're doing presale now, and it's got, hey, by the way, I think it's a hell of a deal to get in early. It's So Chris is, I know they're doing pre-sale now. And it's got, hey, by the way, I think it's a hell of a deal to get in early. It's crazy, yeah.

So if you're in the area of Santa Cruz. Are they all set up, Justin? Is the gym set up and ready to go? No, no, no, no. They're still piecing it together, but they're starting to take memberships, I think. Yeah, they are. He's doing pre-sale right now.

I was texting back and forth with him this morning. Do you know what he's gonna have in the gym? What it's supposed to look like? Oh, yeah. I've seen the rendition, the little like 3D rendition or whatever. Dude, so huge. Santa Cruz has a great fitness community. I mean on the left side is all recovery.

I mean anything from hot, cold contrast to massage therapy to, like you name it, it's all recovery based. All of these offices on the left and like basically a spa and then to the right is like a huge expansive kind of like field for like a lot of movement and athletic training and then a lot of like Yeah, regular gym just all in the back. My goal is to get him enough memberships that he feels compelled to hook us up for free

Whenever I know there. That's my goal. I really want to be like a consistent member there, dude It's gonna be sick. Yeah, you definitely will's there. That's Michael. I really want to be like a consistent member there, dude. It's going to be sick. Yeah, you definitely will go there all the time. They have a great fitness community. Now, how close is it to the new house? Are you? Closer to the new house. Oh, it's closer to the new house.

Yeah, for me. We're working out right now. It's like right in the middle. Where do you work out? Just here or at home, right? Home, yeah. That's it the whole time. I actually haven't even been in a gym for years.

It's crazy. Oh, wow. I know. I'm trying to think of the last time. It's been a long time since I've been in a gym. since I just realized that oh, I take that back with the fitness night 59 fitness 19 I go by every once in a while is that the one you said we get the teenage boys What do I see all the work? It's definitely where all the high school kids are at for sure. No, it's

Posture I I don't ever go there like really lift though I go that it's like when I want to when I'm like, you know I can go do some stuff I'll go to machine and already like three or four machine exercises and I maybe use the elliptical or the treadmill and walk for a little Bit it's not like I can't train in that gym. It's not a training gym to me No fence fitness 19, but it's like not made for that. It's not where I'm gonna get I'm gonna train Deadlift squatting and stuff like that not the demographic over over that place awesome Well, hopefully they get more members. Yeah. Yeah shout out to Chris get it

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First question is from Maria Clark. Any real benefits from waist trainers and why do they exist? Okay, you know what's crazy about this? Can I tell you guys? They're back, you guys. I see these. Are they really?

Yes, I still see these. Who's pushing them now? Like it was the Kardashians and then all the bodybuilding community. This is the, it's the Kardashians and then all the, the, the bodybuilding. This is the worst, the worst thing that I've ever seen. Uh, well not ever, but one of the worst things I've ever seen in our space is a waist trainer. So a waist trainer for people don't know it's essentially a corset that goes

around your midsection and you wear it all day long to atrophy those muscles. And it, it causes the muscles around your core and waist to shrink, thus potentially shrinking your waist. It causes the muscles to atrophy and to weaken. This is the opposite of fitness. It increases your risk of injury. The compression can also cause issues with your digestive tract. Yep.

It's terrible. It's absolutely, it's absolutely, and I still see people wearing it. This one's so crazy for me. So I've told you guys this before, but if you go all the way back to when I was 20 years old and this excited trainer who was new to learning all of this information,

and I remember the first thing I ever learned about was your core, your transverse abdominus. And I had this spiel where I go around to people, because that's all I really knew, right? At this point in my career, this is the first big piece of knowledge that I learned. I didn't know that before. I didn't even know what the transversal dominance was prior to getting my certification, right? And so I'd go around and I'd tell people how important this is.

Your core is the most important muscle in your body beside your heart. Without your heart, you're dead. So that's the only reason why that muscle is more important. Other than that, nothing is more important than the transverse abdominis. And then I go, it's built up of these 32 muscles that wrap around your spine and support your body and go into what they do and why they're so important,

how most people can't connect to them. Most people are really weak. And so it's so crazy to me to think that that was my spiel 20 something years ago. I used to go around telling everybody in the gym and how much I've watched the evolution of it that we now are in this time where people are intentionally destroying that muscle that I used to go around and sell training on how important it was to know How to train it and why you want to have a strong core? Yeah that we we've we've gone so far now of Trying to make our bodies look like this hourglass work that we're willing

To just destroy or weaken or atrophy the most important muscle in your body besides your heart. That's crazy. This is akin to somebody saying, I want to shrink my legs, so I'm going to put casts on my legs and they are going to get smaller and they will get smaller because you've lost muscle. You've weakened the muscle and weakening the muscles around your core is such a terrible idea. You're setting yourself up for potential injury

and it's so opposite of fitness. And it doesn't make you more aesthetic. It just weakens and shrinks some of the muscles around your core. Does it make you tighter? That's for sure. It doesn't make anything more. It's more frail. Absolutely. If you want to get a smaller waist, you can just get leaner.

You develop some of the muscles of the upper body to create more of that illusion. But a small waist looks good on a fit person because it signifies leanness. Okay. Um, but trying to shrink muscles on purpose is such a bad idea, especially these very important muscles. So when I see these in gyms, it makes me, it's so hard for me not to say something to somebody, say, what are you doing to yourself? Yeah.

Well, I mean, there are, well, like vacuum technique is one thing to kind of, like I know that there's emphasis on trying to kind of present and pose, and I'm sure you can speak to this, Adam, but it's just like, there's ways to manipulate, like you mentioned, like building up the upper body a bit more to create this illusion, and it's just like this immediate kind of lazy option

of like, well, I'm just gonna, you know, put this on my waist and shrink my muscles down. Well, and even that, like, so for the competitor that used to use it, because it was popular in the competitor space when I was in there, which is you weaken the muscles. So when you get up on stage, so this is actually a part, you just alluded to Justin to a part of competing

that I didn't realize would be difficult or I had to learn how to do. So when you walk out on stage, one of the more challenging things aside from the fact that you are completely dehydrated, depleted, tired, exhausted, no body fat on you, is you then gotta go walk on stage and you need to keep your core and

abs tight the whole time. You got to stay flexed because your cameras are flashing, the judges are watching you, and if you relax your core ever, then it looks, your midsection looks soft, your posture doesn't look good. And so while you're walking out there, you're also actively thinking about keeping your core tight. And actually using these works against that because you're atrophying those muscles and your core, those core muscles are what create that vacuum pose. I saw that a YouTube video on this

if you've ever seen it. Those core muscles are what are activated in order to do the vacuum pose and in order to keep your midsection looking tight like that and so by wearing a waist trainer also makes that worse. About the only thing it does is it does, it atrophies the muscles, which I guess if you measured with a tape measure, and this is why it gets people, is they have someone measure around, oh, your waist is 32 inches, and then they wear a corset

for two months, it's like, oh, it went down one inch. It's like, yeah, but you didn't lose body fat there. You just lost muscle. You could, because you've casted that area. And I love the analogy use of like, would you imagine our clients if you, cause I had plenty of female clients come to me like Adam, I just wish my thighs were smaller. I'm like, you know what we should do? What's going to put them in a cast or I'm going to put you in a wheelchair for the next three months or wear crutches for the next three months don't worry so much don't worry we'll lose

we'll lose some inches they would look at you like you're crazy yet we're doing that with these corsets I know somebody's caused the bowel obstruction oh yeah there's somebody who worked so tight that they actually call they also had to get some of their bowel resected what's crazy the question's presented perfectly it says are any real benefits for you? No, no. Yeah, we were just going through it, none. There's no real benefits for me.

It's all bad. Everything, even the thing that some people think is positive, which is the slight, is bad. You know what's stupid about this too, which is interesting, is it doesn't last. The whole reason why the whole small waist, wide shoulders thing in bodybuilding became a thing is because in nature, when you see someone, especially a male, with wide shoulders, smaller waist, wide shoulders thing in bodybuilding became a thing is because in nature, when

you see someone, especially a male with wide shoulders, smaller waist, it signifies higher testosterone, more muscle, less body fat. But if you take that to the extreme, you actually reduce athletic performance. In fact, when you look at the strongest, most athletic individuals, they don't have tiny little waist. They don't have tiny little waist. They have to have some strength to their waist in order to produce force. This is why you see like those, those high level CrossFit athletes, which,

you know, uh, you tend to see that because then of course there's a, you know, a bit of a self-selection bias with high level athletes that get to that level. They train hard, but they don't have these little tiny waist because they're performing at high level. So that whole- Snap in half. Yeah. And bodybuilding has taken things to such

ridiculous extremes, right? Where it's all about how you look. But yeah, don't wear one of these. And if you do, don't let me see you wearing one of these cause I'm probably gonna shame you. Don't advertise it, we'll come after you. Next question is from the Crafting Space for Bev T. Is it a good idea to increase your NEAT before starting

some sort of workout? So NEAT stands for non-exercise activity thermogenesis. This essentially represents all of the activity that you do that is not part of a structured workout. So workouts structured and planned involve programming. Activity is just movement throughout the day. Is it a good idea to do one before the other? Does it matter to me which one you do first?

But I love increasing activity throughout the day for health. It's accumulation of all movement throughout the day. I mean, that's really what you need to consider. Just so you know, that technically wouldn't fall into the category of neat. Neat is supposed to be the things that we do subconsciously.

Ticks, tapping, moving. It's a calculation of all these little. Just how much you move that's not workingly. Ticks, tapping, moving, it's a calculation of all these little. Just how much you move that's not working out. Right, and actively going after steps or walking would not be included in that. That's actually walking, that's activity. Right, but there's like this gray area, right?

It is, because it's like, well, I gotta walk to the grocery store, let me park further. Right, right, but you are intentionally doing that. There's a couple ways I could answer this question. I do love, it's so different than how I would approach this as a young trainer. So when I have a family member who has struggled with weight most of their life and has never really

been consistent with training, I almost always actually recommend this direction before they get on this crazy workout plan they're going to do. Because it never fails every year these family members that I have get motivated by something. The doctor told them something about them or currently or someone made a comment or they saw a picture of themselves and then they decide I'm doing, my friend's doing the ketogenic diet and they're doing this, I'm gonna do these things. And so typically what I like to do is like, you know what, let's just start here.

What I want you to try and do is every single day, go for a 30 minute walk that you didn't currently do outside of your current activity and start there. And then I want you to start with one day of lifting and then it's going to look like the, and then, so I love the idea of starting with just moving more and creating activity that that's easy for you to build in your routine and then building on that versus the doing it all. I always thought that was a better idea anyway. And two, like, because I know there was some emphasis in the tech world, which of course they always look at it like so much of a binary thing.

Like, oh, well, this burns X amount of calories, and so therefore it's good. But like to stand more often, right? And to not sit down quite as much. That's a feat in itself for some of these people that are so incredibly sedentary. And so to just know who you're talking to makes a big difference, because just to tell them to go out

for a mile walk or something for some people is a huge feat. So yeah, the little things obviously tackle those like accomplishable wins first. Yeah look if you're gonna do a structured workout you're trying to maximize time strength training we've talked about that a million times and then make your lifestyle more active that's that's the best way to put it yeah so think about your normal day okay so I wake up I drive in the car I work. Okay, I always park in this area. From now on, since I go to work five days a week,

I'm gonna park way over there. Cool, there's one thing. During the day I'm at my desk, and I have to get up to go to the bathroom, four times a day I gotta pee. Okay, I'm not gonna use the bathroom that's on my floor, I'm gonna use the bathroom from now on that's on the second floor,

which means I'm gonna have to kinda go up the stairs. There's another thing, right? I'm gonna stand at my desk. I'm gonna move more while doing these different things. I fold clothes, normally I sit down on the couch and I fold clothes. I'm gonna stand and fold clothes. You know what, normally while I'm cooking dinner,

I'm cooking dinner, but I'm gonna put music on and I'm gonna dance while I do it. These are all ideas and ways to just make yourself move more while doing what you normally do and it sounds trivial doesn't sound like it's a big deal it's a huge deal because this is what you do every day all day long it makes such a big difference this one thing right here could significantly impact most people's health. It makes a big difference personally for myself this is like one of my favorite

reasons to track steps is not because there's something magical about it. So you just know. Just so I know. I mean, I can't tell you how many times in the last like three, four months because I've been doing so much of the tracking food steps and all of that, where I know that I'm at four or 5,000 steps for the day and I currently want to be getting 10,000 steps. And because of that, it's like I'm extra motivated to clean the house and go, I'm going to wash my car myself instead of hiring someone else to do it. Like I do these things that because I'm also trying to achieve a goal. And so then it's like, oh, I needed to do that anyways.

I may as well walk and do it, or I may as well do that labor that I was going to hire someone else to do because I also want to achieve. So I love, I love tracking steps and giving myself step goals incrementally, like even small ones, because it helps us with those little choices where we can choose to sit down and do something or I can choose to get up and go do it. You know what's a good one is if you have kids, if you have little kids, try to actively play with them

as often as possible. You're tired, you'd rather watch TV with them or play on the floor with them. Come up with, I do this all the time when I'm hanging out with them. Like, all right, we're going to get up and run. I'm going to chase you guys. And it's, it's just more activity. By the way, the kids love it.

It's like so many wins by doing something like that. But just think about your day like that. Um, and it, it doesn't change all the things that you normally accomplish. It just makes them more active, essentially. Next question is from owlpatti78. I'm currently on a GLP-1 and I'm not losing any more weight. makes them more active essentially. Next question is from Owl Patty 78. I'm currently on a GLP-1 and I'm not losing any more weight. I don't want to increase the dose anymore

because I already have a hard time eating enough and I don't want to lose too much muscle. Should I lower my dose and start a reverse diet? Yes. This is the problem people are gonna run into on GLP-1s like Ozempic, Wegovi. Most common thing we saw. Yes, like you go on a GLP-1 and-

Should have been in our group. And what it does, in essence, a lot of things it does improves insulin sensitivity, but really what it does, it makes you eat less. And so you just start eating less, your body eventually matches the caloric intake. So at first your calories drop, you're burning more than your calories that are coming in, so you lose weight.

But eventually your body learns how to burn less calories. And it typically does this by pairing muscle down. And then you stop losing weight and then you plateau. But the problem is I'm not eating a lot anyway. I'm on a GLP, I'm eating a thousand. And we saw a lot of people like this in the group that we coached where we had 50 people that we worked with. Some of them, there were people in there

that were eating a thousand calories a day and had 25 or 30 pounds left to go. And they were like, what do I do? I can't go lower my calories. We're gonna have to speed up your metabolism. Well, what does that look like? It looks like eating more and lifting weights. I can't eat more.

Go to your doctor, because you gotta go to your doctor. Don't take our advice, we're not doctors on this. Ask your doctor. Can I lower my dose so I can start increasing my caloric intake and then say this to your doctor, I wanna build muscle. Because if you tell them I wanna eat more,

they'll be like, well why? Because I'm trying to build muscle, I need to speed up my metabolism. If you don't do this, you're gonna stay plateaued. You're not gonna be able to continue to burn body fat because you have no room You have no room because you're already eating so little and your body listen the human body is so effective at adapting To low calories. I mean there's machine there are studies on POWs Where people were prisoners of war who survived on hundreds of calories a day for a long time? The body learns how to slow down.

So yeah, you got to reverse diet. You have to slowly increase your calories, lift weights, focus on getting stronger. It's going to take probably three months, six months or so until you can start dropping the calories again. I'd say this was probably the number one takeaway for us after running the GLP-1 group. I think the consensus between all of us was that it looks like no matter what your goal is, it's pretty inevitable that at one point these GLP-1 clients will have to reverse diet. We didn't see anybody who had a goal of losing 30, 40, 60 pounds that came on it,

lost their 30, 60 pounds from a straight drop, never had to do anything. Most people saw a significant drop initially, a hard plateau, and then needed to reverse diet, increase calories, lower their dose, strength train to come back down again. And that was kind of the formula for most everybody. And unfortunately, you're just not gonna hear this communicated from the doctors. The doctors, it's in their best interest that you were on these GLP-1s for life.

I don't even think, they don't even understand reverse dieting. No. They don't understand strength. Right, so obviously nutrition is not what they specialize in and it's advantageous for them for you to be on this GLP-1 forever. Where us as coaches and trainers, that is not in our best interest. And so our goal is to get you off of this thing.

Use it as a tool because it can be a very effective tool, but the inevitable is true. You're going to have to reverse-dive at one point. I'll even say this much. A good coach and trainer is impartial to whether or not you're on this or not. It really depends on what's the best thing for you. And if you're plateaued and your calories are low, they know how to speed up your metabolism.

A doctor doesn't understand this because they're not trained in this, but they are trained in medication. And what they will probably offer is, let's raise your dose so you can eat less. You don't want to do that. You will lose more muscle and you'll plateau again and you'll be in a really, really crappy place. Next question is from Lele

Acklin. How much would someone have to pay you all to train? I don't want to answer this. Okay listen if you're gonna bring this question you better be truthful. No so here's the deal. You're not gonna get roasted for this one. No no here's the deal with this. And still run all the other things? Be honest. No, no, I'm going to be very honest. Okay. And I'm going to be honest. And I'm going to, I think I can speak for all of us, but if it's, if it's wrong for you or different, let me know. I mean, I know, I know when it comes to this, all of us are pretty purpose driven. The reason why we don't train people is because it doesn't bring us the same joy and value, uh, as doing this with the podcast and as what we're doing now,

which is training coaches and trainers. We're training coaches and trainers and that is getting me excited. I used to get training clients. Does that mean that I don't like training clients? I love working with people. I loved it, but I did it for so long. Yeah, I absolutely loved it. It doesn't bring me the same joy as communicating to people in the podcast, getting onto the

podcast, talking to lots of other people, doing the other parts of the business. Or working- In comparison to scaling like we're doing now. Or working with trainers and coaches. Like right now, I am far more passionate about working with trainers and coaches and teaching them how to be so good and so effective

that that has that downstream effect of really shifting the fitness industry and getting other people incredible. Yeah, I was gonna say, I was gonna say, hey, you set the table good for us right there. So now that you set the table, everybody's got a number. I mean, what would it take? To train somebody? Now that you set the table,

that we're purpose driven. That we're purpose driven. That's the other one. What is this? What kind of client is it? What kind of client is it? Yeah, cause it's. I mean, is it, yeah, but there's gotta be an EV one. There's gotta be a. What kind of client is it? What kind of client is it? Yeah. I mean, is it, yeah, but there's gotta be a needy one. There's gotta be a dollar, hey, there's

gotta be a dollar amount that goes like, I'll put up with that shit. Like a celebrity that's just like, I need, I need. Oh, fuck celebrities. Nobody wants a celebrity. That's fine, okay. Well, that's good. Cross that one off.

I'll train some rich CEO guy if I train a guy. No pro sports athlete, no celebrity. No, look, straight up, I'll train someone for free if it's someone I wanna work with. I mean, that's the truth. I have friends now that if they ask me, they don't really care about. Hell no.

You still, you don't have friends you really love that you'd be like, let me work with you. I love a lot of my friends. No way, it drives me crazy to do this stuff. I would, no way. I mean, training is, yeah, I have to wanna train you, but this is like, how much would someone have to pay me?

All right, I'm not playing, you're right, I gotta play the game fair. Yeah, you gotta play the game fair. It's like what would someone, what would it cost? There's a dollar amount someone would offer you, be like all right, I'll do that. Per, was it per session? Yeah, per hour.

What is it? God, I don't know. I don't know, man. I've thought about it, I know. You have? Well yeah, because so. I don't want to go first. You don't, you don't.

You said the table might be good. Might as well be more than good. You might as well shake your asses. I't. You said the table. It might be. It might be. Who knows? Yeah. Mine's 1500 an hour. That's what I would say.

That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the reason why that is is because that's what it would, that's what it costs right now for me to spend an hour with somebody talking about business right now. Yeah. Just consult.

And I like it. No, I enjoy that more. That's what I'm saying. So the training would have to be at least that or more or else I wouldn't do it. No, I'd rather help. There's people that I have that are in our circle that are friends of ours that want to pay me that for helping them with the business. And I really enjoy doing that.

So I enjoy doing it. So in order to train clients, which I get less excited about today than what I used to obviously, it would need to be at least that or more. Okay, let me give you a different question. Okay. There's a skill or something you really want to learn about, something you're really into. All of us have.

What, would you pay? No, you would do it for a trade. If there's someone that's like. Oh yeah, for sure. Like, I would do it. That would be more my angle. Yeah, because money, I'm like, I don't know. Oh, that's a great.

I want to learn something, and if I can train somebody to acquire that skill, that would be great. I looked up what it. Yeah, because money, I'm like, I don't know. Oh, that's a great- I want to learn something, and if I can train somebody to acquire that skill, that would be great. I looked up what it would cost to get like, teach lessons for like a pro driver. Yeah, see, you would trade for that. It's crazy money. And I would heartbeat trade for my training.

What do you want me to trade? But even if it wasn't crazy money, because you're really valued. Yeah, yeah. If it was someone good- Well, I mean, if it was cheap, I'd just pay for it. But it's a lot of money, so it'd be like, hey, your services are valued.

If mine are valued, let's trade. That's exactly how I would do that to this day. This day, if there's somebody who's got a skill or service that I really want, I would leverage that. I was thinking about that for guitar lessons or something crazy, really becoming a virtuoso. Yeah, see? See, that makes more sense.

Because money-wise, like, ugh. That's why, okay, but that's, by the way, because I know there's some people that have probably freaked out when we said that, I said that number, right? They're just, rrrrrrr, right away, like, that's ridiculous. I'm like, listen, I'm not charging that. I'm not trying to go get that.

It's a consulting fee, that's not that crazy. So, the way I handle people and DMs ask, I just say I don't do it. Yeah, that's what I see. And they pursue and they go, well, how much how much what would it take and it's just like you It's just not worth my time and I don't want to and the the amount that it would cost you to do it I wouldn't even feel comfortable charging exactly. That's how I respond to people is that listen it doesn't make sense It's not it's not a dollar amount thing because there's so many other ways

I can make a lot of money that doesn't even come close to the hourly that would be fair to charge you. But to trade services for somebody else who's an expert in their field? 100%. Yeah, it's like if I were working, if like, you know, because I'm really, you know, deep on my spiritual journey. I'm really in that, and if it was someone who was going to really coach me and, you know, and teach me theology and move in that direction, I could see myself totally trading for some really intense learning and knowledge and debate and discussion. I could totally do something like that. Money? I don't care.

Now, working with trainers and coaches right now, working with trainers and coaches right now gets me excited. It gets me psyched to think about working with these trainers that we have, it's taken us 10 years to really approach working with trainers and coaches and you put me in a room with 10 of them and you get me talking to them. I mean if 10 of them were here I would probably do it for free just to talk to them and help them out. Well we did do that.

I know that's the thing. My club was already successful when we were touring around and doing talks for trainers for free. Totally. So I agree. I mean that stuff is, that's a really hard question to tackle though because it's like how do you not sound like an asshole? Yeah, it's just like I stay away from talking. I don't even I wouldn't throw a dollar amount if it's advice

So if I can I can give it I give it, you know, and that's just it it's like but like spending like a lot of time and like making sure it's all planned out and like showing up and Physically and all that like, you know, that's a big ass. It's a good exercise though for yourself. It is. Because, I mean, you have to, I guess you reach a point too where time is the most valuable thing to me.

Totally. More than money. Totally. My time is worth so much, and to train a client for an hour isn't just an hour, it's an hour training them, plus the time you spend creating their diet or thinking about their issues

or solving their text messages or all The stuff you're here with it So now you're talking about hours of time and it's like well how valuable is my time to me? And it's like it's so it's less about a certain dollar amount that I think I'm worth training Yeah, it's more about how much I value my own personal time It's like you're not gonna pay me a dollar amount that makes sense for me to give up that time It just isn't happening unless I was trading it for something else. What was the most you guys charged back when you were, I think Justin,

you were probably the highest price. The highest I went was 3000 a month. And that was how many often? How often? It was typically like four times a week. So what is that? That's how many sessions? I was long gone by, well, 161 hours the highest I ever was.

That was, I never went, I never went I never I never went So I wasn't like outrageous, but no, but it was sounds outrageous, but it was every month Yeah, my friends was charging five again. I took that model from one of my friends who was charging five thousand That's about right. It's close to where I was 200 a session was exactly this was ten years ago, too That was the most that I was charging. Well, I haven Well I haven't trained anybody for 20 or 15 plus years. It's been a long time since I trained a one. 35 hour? No, 150 was the most that I ever charged for anybody.

That was like high. Back then that was considered as high as it goes. The Bay Area, I didn't know anybody charging more than 150 back then. No, not then. But I mean now it's not, again, it's less about the dollar amount and it's more about the time I really want to I would really want to feel like it's something I'm really passionate about but I like the way you presented

That was if it was if it was you're more I knew you guys would say that Yeah You're more likely to give me if it was something that you have that you could you could trade with me that I'm like Okay, like I want to spend time with that person to learn from them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, you could show me this I'll show you that cuz he literally I did I looked at the race cars thing. I'm like, okay, cool. Like I want to spend time with that person to learn from them from something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you can show me this and I'll show you that. Because literally I did, I looked at the race cars and I was like, fuck, that's a lot of money. Like how bad do I want to get good at this? Yeah, they're making a killing at this.

$50,000 for like X amount of laps. So a day would cost me 50 grand. Oh wow. Yeah. Wow. So, but I mean, shit, it's not unrealistic. I have executive CEO friends that charge huge money to meet with them.

I mean, we had Jasmine, our friend, what she paid to spend a day with Gary V was crazy Oh, wow. Yeah crazy and they and and if you ask her she'll say it was worth every penny Yeah, yeah worth every penny So I mean that if you've if you want that kind of access to you know, it's like you got to pay that stuff So I mean I wouldn't but look if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. You can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin. You can find me at Mind Pump DeStefano and Adam at Mind Pump Adam.

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