Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2496: Machines Are Better Than Free Weights for These 3 Things (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: December 25, 2024

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Yes You say you don't even believe what you say no I do agree for certain for certain types of training I think machines do reduces the risk, right, so there's value with that. Right, right. Very, very hard. You're on the go harder. Very, very small muscle groups, targeting very specific muscle groups or imbalances. I could see that.

Quote on quote isolation. Yeah, of course, yeah, yeah. I could see that. Yeah. When you were training as a physique competitor, is that what you would use machines a lot for? I use a lot of machines for like bringing up a lagging body part targeting a very specific area because you could really just focus on concentrate yeah

like for example I've heard who's the who's dr. Mike Israel come out and talk about like some exercises that I love using cables or machines for rear delts for example oh yeah and somebody might think that we would disagree on that conversation, but it's not that we disagree, it's that I think it's nuanced. I love those exercises, but I also, I'm making sure I already checked the box. There's a priority list.

That's right, there's like, I'm doing the barbell shoulder press first, dumbbell Arnold presses well before I'm doing my bent over reverse cable fly, you know where I'm flying. You know before I'm doing my bent over reverse cable fly right you know where I'm flying you know I'm saying so so so yes so there's a lot of I think examples but I love those because I meant I could just target just the rear delt and get to that I could see that I mean the first thing for me that came up was if you're doing really high intensity failure style training.

If you're trained to failure, in a little context, bodybuilders have used failure for decades, but Arthur Jones, the inventor of Nautilus equipment, championed a style of training where it was very, very low volume, but extremely high intensity. So rather than doing at the time, doing what was considered traditional bodybuilding training, which at the time was like 20 sets per body part.

This was during the heyday of bodybuilding, maybe the early 70s. He said no, let's do like one or two sets, but we're going to failure and beyond. I can definitely see machines being valuable for this because of the inherent risk of going to failure with a free weight. You know, if you go to failure on a barbell squat,

as fatigue sets in and form starts to break down, especially if you're strong. It's exposing. Very exposing and dangerous. You do failure on a leg press with your safeties, not so much. Not only that, Sal, so obviously that, I think that's a great point, safety,

but even technique and form wise, right? Like if you, everyone in here has done a close to failure squat before, and that last rep didn't look pretty. The last three reps. Right, right, didn't look pretty, you probably, you know, cheated it up a little bit, shimmied left or right to get like- Right, there's asymmetry in there. Yeah. And even if you didn't get hurt, not ideal for developing a symmetrical balance body. And so, whereas if I

was leg pressing to failure, I mean, I could keep everything perfect. Yeah, even if you move the platform doesn't, or if I'm doing even a basic chest press to failure on a machine, if I move with the barbell, the barbell's moving with me. And now it's going to encourage or enhance the poor technique, right? As I shift, the bar shifts, now it's shifting even more and I'm fatigued.

If it doesn't hurt me, I'm just doing a really bad technique exercise versus pushing a machine, it's fixed. The machine's not going to move. Even if my body moves, which is less than ideal, the machine itself isn't going to move. Now what's funny is that, again, Arthur Jones, who trained Mike Menser, who wrote Heavy Duty, he's the first guy to popularize this style of training, later on influenced Dorian Yates, who won Mr. Olympia, I think six times in the nineties who trained this way.

He called it blood and guts. He named it something else. And there's been other iterations of this style of training. They always, they almost always do use a lot of machines. I mean, Mike Menzer talked a lot about using machines. Again, this is in the seventies when machines weren't nearly as prolific. Dorian Yates made hammer strength equipment famous. He was the one that made hammer strength so popular

and he used them quite a bit. His favorite machines, he liked the pullover machine then he liked to use the isolateral row machine and that kind of stuff. And he did free weights as well. But going to failure with a machine, in my experience, especially if you're advanced, I think they have the edge to free weights in many of these cases. Now I think most people shouldn't train to failure most of the

time, but if you do and you know what you're doing, I think machines have the advantage here. The second thing that I thought of was high volume training. If you really want to push volume, free weights damage the body more. They require more recovery. I could do probably 10 to 20 percent more sets with machines than I can with free weights with the recovery being around the same. I can see that. I mean I would tend to add the machines after I got the compound lifts and the barbell training just again to add volume to whatever body parts specifically I'm trying to bring up. So I mean that makes sense if you're gonna do the whole thing machine training I'm sure you could do a gajillion reps. Well this was the point I was just making. Yes. Right like this that's that's the this

point is what aligns with what I said which is you know of course I'm gonna do the barbell shoulder press did also that but hey I'm I'm trying do the barbell shoulder press, did all this stuff, but hey I'm between shows, trying to build up my rear delts. I've already checked the box on the one, but I wanna add more volume, but I also recognize how taxing that can be on my CNS, and I don't need to do that to still just get some added volume, but let me go do machines

that can be less damaging and less risk of over training. That's right, yeah, you know even if you use equivalent exercises, do a seated shoulder press with dumbbells or a barbell versus a seated shoulder press with machines, you could probably get away with more sets of the machine, all things being equal because the stability component isn't there.

It's not damaging to the body in the same way. So if you like to spend a lot of time in the gym, and this again is why I think a lot of bodybuilders like machines, they're doing so much volume so often that they find that they respond better with machines, not necessarily because machines are better, but rather because they can handle more volume with the machines, whereas they have to cut the volume down

going with free weights. I mean think of another exercise like a row. Think of a row with free weights, think of doing 10 sets on that versus a machine row. Think about how you're gonna feel the next few days, one versus the other. It just requires less. And then lastly, and this is the main reason

why machines were invented, training with injuries. You know, machines are, so long as the right machine is used and it fits the person, because free weights have an advantage of being able to mold to the person versus the person having a mold machine But if the person fits the machine It's great because the stabilization components there the track is already set the arm is gonna move where it's gonna move and if you have an issue with Any kind of an injury training around it or with the injury tends to be easier

This is where I always found the most value of machines is with my clients where there was limitations, uh, they're recovering from, you know, surgery, injury, uh, and you, you want to really make sure it's, it's in a fixed, uh, track in a fixed position. So that way, you know, it's stabilized everywhere else. Uh, so any variation in that, you that, we can kind of account for that and make sure that there's not all these other variables that are gonna happen that we have to stabilize. Now in these three scenarios, is there ever a situation

in these where you see all machines, because most all of them are an example of free weights, and then you get to this point, or you don't ever see a situation where- You just avoid free weights and then you get to this point or you know it's like you don't see you don't ever see a situation where you just avoid free weights completely? Yes. No. No. No I don't think so at all I think free weights overall have more value generally speaking but especially when you're talking to the advanced lifter who's been working out for a long time who's looking to add novelty, variety,

is gonna be changing things up. They've developed a good squat, they've developed a good deadlift and overhead press and row and they've been doing this for a year, two years consistently and they're like, you know, I'm gonna experiment with high intensity, low volume training or I'm gonna go real high volume or ooh, I have a little bit of this injury I wanna train around,

then machines can be quite valuable, and you can find a tremendous amount of value with them. But yeah, that being said, no, I think overall, we've talked about this many times, free weights have more value overall. But again, from what I just said, I mean, I did this for a while, right? For a while there, I was experimenting with just machines machines and I just found that I could do a lot more

volume. Like I could spend more time in the gym and do more volume because it didn't require nearly as much recovery. Now someone listening might be like, well what, who cares? Okay, so you get the same results with more time. Wouldn't you rather do less time? Not necessarily. First off, I like spending time at the gym. There's some value to that just from the enjoyment of it, if that's you. But also, I think there's some value in doing more volume with less damage from a novelty aspect. Because I did see better gains from training that way.

Now, it didn't stay with me. Of course, I had to go back and change my training up again. But for like a three-month period, I saw some great value. It's fun. I mean it's a totally different mindset. I just have to always check myself because it's hard to get full range of motion with these machines and so you do feel the difference when that doesn't translate well towards just any kind of freestanding object. And you're also, you're an athlete. I mean you you train. Yeah, the movement starts to suck, you know, if you just stick with machines.

I would not do a bunch of machine training for athletes. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. There's some athletes that do that, it drives me crazy. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't do a lot, no matter what, because this was a mistake I made as a young lifter. I would have heard this conversation. Use it as an excuse?

Yes, and use it as an excuse to skip squats. You know, skip the deadlift. I would have been like, oh, see, I could just do the leg press. Just look jacked and whatever. And I mean, it got, I built a decent physique. I'd say I was all right, you know. Did you do mostly machines back in the day?

Oh yeah. Oh wow. Oh yeah, I mean, I really, honestly, you guys, I didn't really start, I intermittently squatted, didn't deadlift at all. Deadlifting was like. Was your free weights relegated to like curls, laterals, that kind of stuff? Where you didn't do the big compound lifts mostly?

I did dumbbell and barbell bench press. I did, I never did barbell shoulder press. I did dumbbell shoulder press. Barbell rows? Never, rarely did barbell rows press. I did dumbbell shoulder press. Barbell rows? Rarely did barbell rows. Mostly seats. So you trained like Flex Magazine bodybuilding. Yes.

I see. Yeah, for a big portion, first 10 years of my lifting. And again, built in all right physique. But boy, when I found barbell back squat, deadlift, bent over row, barbell shoulder, holy shit. And it was such a, and I trained the way I'm explaining for many years as a trainer. So I was a trainer, I was way in the camp of form,

technique, filling the muscle, that was the priority for me. So I was a stickler on form and technique and feeling and training right to failure but not breaking form. But with machine. But with machine a lot of times. And that was why I think I liked machines a lot of times because I could have real strict, good, perfect form and really feel the muscle.

Yeah, from a trainer perspective, you're gonna get way more value teaching your client how to do a difficult extra cycle like a squat. The problem is as a trainer, you can't tell for a little while. See, on a machine, I could put a client on a leg press who's never worked out and just see strength gains right out the gates. Teaching them how to do a squat, sometimes it takes two months. Not only that just hold a bar, but not only that's how but a lot of our job too was You know you felt like you needed to

Entertain the client razzle dazzle. Yeah, and so you know which is so crazy So if you're a young trainer and you're listening this like if I could go back and do it all over again No granted. I'd have the I'd have better ways to communicate today than I probably did back then, I see more value in training almost all my clients on like two exercises. Right? And just teaching them how to master that.

Like knowing now, if I get ahold of like, for example, a family member or a close friend of mine that I actually spend the time personal training them, like helping them out, they'll come see me and they may think they're gonna get a workout from me. I'm like, all we're gonna do today, I'm gonna show you how to squat.

And then I'm gonna look at them, and be like, oh yeah, you got ankle mobility stuff, then I get them down, we're gonna work on ankle mobility, and I'm gonna explain to them why their squat is breaking down for these reasons, why they need to do this, then I show them when they elevate the heels, look at where you're gonna be able to get down.

Like, I would be all, like the whole hour would be that. That's it. You know what's funny, what you're saying're saying Adam is I trained what you just said the second half of my career And I was like I had my clients stayed with me longer, and I did better Yeah, even though I thought early my career that would bore people yeah, right Oh, we're just gonna do one or two exercises. No, I got to show them five ones They've never even seen before really you want is what gives them results. Yes You know you have to kind of push through the mundane side of it and engage with them and educate

them. I fell into the exact trap that we teach on here all the time. The razzle dazzle, the making my clients feel like it was such a hard workout, right? Sweating like crazy, burning like crazy, sore like crazy. And so I fell into that trap of feeling like I needed to do that to make them feel like I was valuable for them to keep coming back versus me being confident in my abilities and going like, no, let me tell you something. I'm going to change your life. If I teach you how to squat and deadlift and overhead press with good technique, I'm going to change your life.

And it's going to be, and being able to things, be calm enough to say things like this, like it might take us a while. And you know, you're gonna suck at it for a while, we're not gonna see a lot of results at first, but let me tell you, once again, which is so crazy because it's no different than if you got a whole, if a pro golfer, or a pro driver.

Any instrument. Yeah, or any instrument. Name a thing. It's the difference between doing like a kickboxing cardio class and actually having Yeah, or a pro boxer Name a pro at anything else that would get a hold of you and teach you to become the greatest guitarist the greatest driver The greatest name name the thing they're not gonna be like just yeah They wouldn't be it would be like all right now this chord now this and try this and I throw this way

It'd be like we're gonna master the jab. That's all we're doing this month. You know what I'm saying? And they would just, and you'd be like, why am I doing this one thing? And you're like, listen, we gotta lay that down. Which is crazy that our trainers, we included, okay, don't do that. And that's how it should, like,

the people that are hiring trainers and the people that are wanting to get better and really see the results, like, that's it, man. Those four movements, master those. And if you're not already mastered it, take the time to become a master at it because it will pay you back so much more. Versus what I can't stand in our space,

which are the trainers that feed into that type of, oh, the difference between a hack squat on the machine and a barbell back squat, there's not much of a difference in hypertrophy, so there's no, you should just, this idea the machine and a barbell back squat There's not much of a difference in hypertrophy. So there's no you should just This idea that everybody needs a barbell back squat silly and we should teach you like you can there's not it's not for everybody We should go wrong. No, it's such a terrible. It's a terrible message Even even if there's some truth K to the the hypertrophy component There's so much more to more far more. Yes than just that. Yes

of a component. There's so much more to it. More, far more. Yes. Than just that. Yes. 100%. Look at it. You know, I just read a study, speaking of fitness, I just read an interesting study. I love your guys' input on this.

So, the study was done, let me get where it was done. This was done at the University of Virginia, and what they show in the study, this is, we knew this already, but what they found, they did a systemic review and made an analysis and they found that fitness, so your ability to perform, right, and they used cardio respiratory fitness as a measurement. So like how fit someone is, right? That's a stronger predictor of both cardiovascular disease and all-cause mortality than BMI is. So it's how fit you are is a better predictor. Now that's not to say that BMI doesn't matter or how heavy you are, how much body fat you carry, that still matters. But your fitness level matters more if

you had to compare one to the other with your all-cause mortality. In other words, it is true that you could be overweight and fit and you will derive protective benefits from being fit. And I think this is good news for people who work out and struggle with diet. Because diet, if you don't get the diet down, it's really hard to lose weight, even with workouts. Especially with no diet, like workouts aren't gonna

make you lose weight, which is very difficult. So you're trying to work, you're working out, you're consistent, you're going to the gym, you're to work, you're working out, you're consistent, you're going to the gym, getting stronger, you're more fit, you have more stamina, you can't figure out the diet, which is very common. Many of my clients figured out the fitness before they figured out the diet. In fact, that was more often than not the order of operation. Well, I wish this made its way to the general practitioner where they would just, you know, be more concerned with body fat or lean muscle. How much lean muscle do you have?

That's a better... It would be way better than BMI. It's just like, it's so silly. We use that as a standard still. But even body fat itself, if you're fit, it makes a big difference. That's right. But Justin said that's such a good point. I mean, I wish we would teach that, right? We should have these kind of benchmarks like ranges for your height and in age or what that of like you should have or want this much muscle. Yeah. And it should be focused around that. Like, yeah. You know what? It's also highlights Sal's that we've, as a society,

we are so focused on aesthetics. Yeah. We're so, and really what it, what this highlights is that there's actually a really wide range. wide range when you talk about body fat percentage and what someone's aesthetic is like. Body types. Yeah, body types and you could be very healthy and fit and it all, which of course, I mean, everyone in here has been in this way. Like I have been as, in my training career, right,

lifting weights and being considered a healthy person or fitness person, I've been as small as like 187 pounds to as big as 240 something, and I've been an unhealthy and a healthy version of each of them. Yeah, yeah. So that's a huge, you know, it's a big wide range.

It's a 50 pound range, and I can tell you that I have been a sloppy 230, 240, and I've been a jack 230, like, and the same thing on the bottom end. And so it's like- Now to be fair, you start to go really far in one direction or the other, right? Then you could be, then it starts to impact your health,

right? But there is a range, like you could be a man at 10% body fat or 18% body fat, which look very different. 10%, 18% look very different, and you could be unhealthy or healthy at either one. But again, this study confirms that. So if you're just getting started,

first off, the diet is always harder to nail down than the workout. Working out, if you go to the gym consistently three days a week, that's three hours out of your week. You can get strong, you can get fit, you could improve your stamina just doing that. And it's protective. But your diet is every day all day long. That's a much harder thing to tackle. There's also

a lot more complicated to tackle diets. A lot more nuance, a lot more buy-in. Emotion connected to it and all that stuff. So okay, you're not losing weight, but you're stronger, more fit, you're healthier. You're healthy. I will say this though and this is why again if we say this is our our single advice. Just hit protein. Oh for diet? You're the first step.

Because if one of the most frustrating things for the person who is trying to get fit and they they take heed to the advice of like hey I'm not going to over complicate the diet right now and I'm not gonna try and because there is so much nuance I'm just gonna go at least lift weights and least train at least get in better shape. They'll get a little ways no matter what right like I mean just just moving more and lifting weights is gonna make you a much healthier person than the regardless right but you can make a dramatically more of a difference just simply by making protein of focus. That's right. And because that's the building blocks for muscle, you'll reach a point of

ignoring the diet part and just exercising and lifting weights where the body will basically tap, okay, we're strong, we're healthier than what we were before. As far as we can go. But as far as we can go without you giving me more building blocks to build on or keep going. And so I really think that that's always for me the go-to thing for clients. It's like learn these four movements, just practice them. Don't crush it, don't go to failure, just try and get good at those. Practice them in the gym frequently, three days a week if you can, okay, that's it.

And hit your protein intake, right? Like that. And you've got like 75, 85% there. Yes, yeah, focus on that for a couple years. Just focus on that for a couple years. Oh yeah, you'll see a result, that's true, 100%. And really care mostly about just being consistent with those two things.

So give yourself a goal, I'm gonna try and be consistent for 20 days, because I've never done that before. You hit 20 days and see how far you stretch it all you mess up at day 25 okay cool start over again now try and get to 26 days and just keep trying to be consistent with those two things for longer and longer stretches of your of your life and watch yep and watch how how dramatic of a difference that makes in your health journey dude I gotta tell you guys we had dr. Lauren in the studio and we were talking about hormones

and I didn't realize, so I'm on TRT and I try to optimize my hormones through medication and lifestyle and that stuff. And part of the hormone optimization includes obviously testosterone and then there's DHEA and thyroid, low dose thyroid. And she was talking about thyroid and how valuable it is for aesthetic change, this and that. This is all an episode we recorded with her. And then she said, you have to take it on an empty stomach

and maybe distilled water, like no mineral water and take nothing else with it, otherwise you don't absorb it. I wasn't aware of that. Never heard that. Otherwise you don't absorb it, okay? Now I kinda knew this, but I hadn't been with it. Otherwise you don't absorb it. Okay. Now I kind of knew this, but I hadn't been doing it. So I was taking it with other supplements and I was taking it with electrolyte water and that kind of stuff. So I heard her say this and I said,

huh, I'm going to try what she said. So I did. Oh my God, bro. I was on fire. Really? Oh, on fire. It took me like three days to adjust to. Yeah, the first day I remember you were a little uneasy with it, right? It was like, I felt like, oh my god, what's going on? Like I feel like I had extra coffee or something. But she said I wasn't absorbing. This whole time I was taking it,

I wasn't absorbing the thyroid. So for anybody who takes thyroid medication as part of the hormone optimizer, I think if you have thyroid deficiency, your doctor will be explicit, but when you go through HRT, they may not make this point. You gotta take it with distilled water, nothing else, empty stomach for 30 minutes.

Otherwise, I was absorbing like 40% probably. Suddenly I was like, whoa, what the heck is going on here? Yeah yeah I had no idea. She was also talking about too like how most people tend to do better with a little bit higher dose. That's right. What they normally recommend too. That's right. So did you did you bump? A little bit. Yeah just a little bit I bumped it. It was a low dose anyway but just a little bit and it's not because I had no that was low thyroid it's just the whole hormone optimization you know panel type of deal. So I'll let you guys know what's going on

anyway I've been waiting so experimenting we record these episodes so I don't know what's gonna happen by the time this airs okay because so this is a risk because some something might happen by the time this airs but I've been waiting for Justin for you to come in oh bro to talk about the drones you're texting back and forth got I was waiting for you guys all week silly silly bro what do you mean silly they are the government is Come in oh bro to talk about the drones you're texting back and forth. God. I was waiting for you guys all week Silly bro, what do you mean silly? They are the government is making every statements on this they are talking about this Yeah, they are there are these crazy Drones with technology that we're not you know, I'm ill you know how missile blowers come know how I feel explain it

What what's going on somewhere else? What is really good because bro? I don't know I've seen all the videos I've seen the video and like nothing seems out of this world scary. Oh, I don't think it's alien And again, it's been kind of explained a little bit more that drones wouldn't be flying at night Unless they're trying to find something yeah Because they don't have the capability to really like they don't have unless they have infrared and they have all this like crazy technology where they can like see in the dark, which a lot of them aren't outfitted for that. They're honestly like they said that. I mean, for most of the videos I've watched that it's most likely

they're trying to hunt down and find something which they've they've said that it might be a broken arrow a Lost your head that they don't they don't have an accounted for These are like car sized drones to their huge Yeah, they are huge and the government local governments are like tell us what's going on to the to our government governments like oh They're not ours. We don't know what they are Trump came out and he's like either shoot him down or tell us what's going on. This is wild. How has nobody shot one down? People have taken shots at him. You ain't gonna shoot down a drone with your gun, bro. You have to be the luckiest shot of all time.

He didn't get close. It was kind of comical. Yeah, I mean drones are so popular now Yeah, these are these are not you know, these are not these are military grade, right? So again, I mean, but so they have jamming they have jamming technology This is what people are like they think it's alien. No, we have jamming technology exists They were fly people are flying their drones close to them to see and then they'll turn them off and then yeah Can't get near it. Oh really? I haven't seen that now. Here's why that's why I'm like can't white where how is some random person not flown a drone or? No, they'll load something close by trying to draw fly their drones towards it and then they shut down. Yeah, shut down Here's why I don't think it's aliens because if I tell it only if it's an alien first of all, I don't

Here's why I don't think it's aliens. Because if it's an alien, first of all, I don't think it's aliens. Here's why I wouldn't think it's aliens. Many of them have these FAA compliant lights, you know, that they put on airplanes. They blink a very specific way. So nice of the aliens to follow our traffic laws. But hey, you know what? This is scary though. It's real responsible of them.

The story is that there's a loose nuke that was lost out of Ukraine, it's an escalation of the war, and that they're afraid of a dirty bomb or a nuke going off and so these are gamma detecting or radiation detecting drones and they are trying to find where it is and flying these things over.

It's scary. Yeah, and heavily in New Jersey and then York. Yeah, I mean there's been reports Yeah, like I saw down like San Diego This is like here's the thing when you have stuff like this like happening. Yeah See something right? It's like when you when you buy that off yellow car that nobody has That's how I feel like drones are everywhere so I was like, fuck, everybody has one. That's how I feel like, drones are everywhere. So I feel like now you guys, we see one weird drone. Now we see-

Remember when Teslas first came out, now they're literally everywhere. Yeah, that's kinda how I feel about drones. But these ones over New Jersey and some of the Eastern Seaboard, like these ones are legit. Like you're seeing like a lot of them go up. They're shutting down airports as a result.

I forgot which airport it was, but they they had to like they had to ground other planes because they were there were so many drones Flying over. I mean, isn't that that's how this all started was one flew into a motor flew into a jet engine No, that's that's that's a report. I don't know that was yeah that there's speculation on that I know Alex Jones jumped on that one But it it was reported that it was a bird that like went into the engine which does happen No, what's most likely the deal is that either it's the whole psyop thing and then people who rolled their eyes psyop If you live through What else do you call like the last year like and it came out that it was out of a lab that it was leaked out You know that that it was a man-made virus. That's what they're saying

Ask gas lighting by the way, did you see that? They said that January 6 had like 20 something federal agents in there Yes, it's the getting back out. Thank you. Yeah. So did you see you guys you see Stephen A Smith? Smith came out on which has been boy. He he lit the left up hard He's he's and he's like a well-known let hard left leaning guy for a long time. My friends were like, oh so traumatized by it like, you you know that's I'm trying like okay But also like I said from this has happened before this they the agent provocateurs are a real thing Yeah, they sigh op us. It's just like for sure. I mean come on. This has happened in history you don't think it's gonna repeat so it's either a Psy op or

There is a threat and they are searching for something just to make sure that something doesn't happen. That's such a crazy. And this is technology that we don't such a crazy leap to go to, we're looking for a missing nuke, what the fuck? How did that come?

Oh, because there were people who work in this technology who are reporting saying they have the capabilities to find radioactive material and that's what they think's happening. So that's where- There's speculation, yeah. It's speculation. Yeah, that's a, okay, if something like that, right-

There's a whistleblower on Reddit that said this. Wait, here, okay, let's- Which I- That is all my source. Source. Reddit, dude. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay, suck it, they've been right. Let's unpack what we know. I'm on the internet. I'm on These are drones, military grade, right? We know this, right? There's lots of them over lots of different states now. As far as I've- The vast majority though, or over Eastern, like New Jersey and DC. But I'm seeing San Jose, I heard, I've heard Texas, I've heard now, I've heard the Middle East, all over the country, they're popping up now. There was a lot of reports coming in, yeah. Yeah, and I'm seeing videos,

I've seen the videos on them. So, okay. If, if a nuke went missing at one point we knew where it was. That's why I think most of them are in New Jersey. There's a port there. That's why I think most of them are there is because that's where they think it is. Yeah. Cause that's that to me, that feels like it would be concentrated all in one area because you wouldn't be like, well, it could be in California. would be like, whoa, wait a second.

How did that, we went missing just two nights ago and now it's in its hair, no way. I think that they think they know where it's at and then what happens with all the hype is that now people are out with their phones and catching all kinds of weird stuff. Totally. And now we're just posting videos

and there's lots of stuff. Or they just flying their own drones and like whoa, look at this. Actually there's a lot of videos that are like AI generated, now people to get views So there was one that was there was one where it's like this guy horse He was shooting at it and you can see his tracer bullet and then and then X is so good The AI videos are getting so good. I know I mean I and you know what I know they're AI I still get sucked into watching I like is that weird like I'm watching something. I know it's been altered by AI, but I'm so curious to see what they do.

I still love those, the architecture, the houses and stuff that they come up with. Yes. It's so cool. So you know which one's I use? Like, ooh, this place is awesome. My favorite that's popular, and I don't know if you guys, because we have different stuff we follow, but it's super popular in the sports world to have like a coach or a player who's talking shit about other coaches. Oh, it's not real?

Yeah, it's not real. Like the end of the press conference, I've seen that a couple times with Shanahan and he's talking trash. Yeah, exactly. He'll be talking trash. Did he say that? Yeah, D-Bo's a little bitch. And you're like, whoa, he said that you can't help but you do that. You're like, no, he didn't say that. It's funny. Yeah, yeah. So those ones have got me sucked in big time.

All right. So I wanted to cover one of our sponsors. They have a product they wanted us to talk about, and I looked at the ingredients and it's legit. This isn't one that any of us use because it's targeted, it's just for women, but Organifi has a product called Harmony that helps with hormonal imbalances or PMS symptoms. And I looked at the ingredients and they're legit.

How does a supplement do that? So there are traditional supplements in there like Chastberry that have been shown to reduce some of the more sensitive types of estrogen, for example, or how your body reacts to certain hormones. These are all compounds. Doug, if you could pull it up for me, that would be helpful. There are compounds in there that have been used traditionally to help women with PMS symptoms like cramping, with sleep issues.

You live like a lot of herbs in there, yeah? Yes. So would it be things that like lower inflammation or like what are these things? Inflammation and help change the type of estrogen from a more reactive to a less reactive type. An herb can do that to a hormone? No fact.

Oh. Oh, chastberry's been used for a long time. Oh yeah, functional medicine practitioner will use that oftentimes with women. And so, maca, maca's in there, it's good for libido. There's Chast Tree Berry, stinging nettle. So these are all, they've been used for, some of them, for hundreds of years.

So I was looking at their, I mean, Organifi does such a good job. So again, I don't have, obviously we don't have experience. You're a hippie. Yeah, I know. But you know, there's a lot, we have a lot of female callers

that sometimes will call in and talk about some of these symptoms and they're young, it's like okay, I don't go on hormone replacement therapy or maybe not even young, they're just like, you know, hormones are balanced but I have these symptoms, this might be a good first place to kind of start.

Is it something you make like a tea? Is that kind of like what you would do? No, you mix it with water, it tastes good. Oh, just straight. Yeah, I tried a little bit. Does this help angry dudes? Maybe, dude. With the experiment.

No, dude, why do you need something for your... I don't know, maybe. Yeah, I don't know. A little something to take the edge off. There's one person here most likely. Ah! I was waiting for it, prick. I was waiting for it right there

I have not what was the last time you guys called me moody was that somebody maybe diving little moody with Doug lately Doug shows nothing until it's too late. So you gotta be careful. Oh, yeah Tell me before please Was there a was there a tornado that came down? Oh, and yes this guy's backyard Wait, literally, I mean not literally my okay, but like Scott's Valley, which that's like your backyard. Yeah, it was right there my Happen here. What's happening? Right there. Yeah, there was like again and you heard more I had seven that were flipped But it just came literally out of nowhere like there was yeah, there's rain and there was a storm But but it was like totally mild storm. And then all of a sudden, I guess all of the factors were just perfect because you had

wind coming from this direction, wind coming from this direction, different temperatures and then they just combined. And then you saw it literally just start to form. And I saw it all via video. I just lose five, 10 minutes, I think I went through and I was home. Courtney was at this Mexican restaurant, which was like down the street. So she was just proximity, just far enough away from it, but they could all see it. And originally in her video, which she took, it was like, you saw all these birds just

all of a sudden, they were trying to find somewhere to land and they couldn't. Then you saw them all circling like, and then it, and then it like coned and made into like a tornado. And you saw it like just bulldozed through this tree and just like mingle it. And then I guess it lifted a tree up like this huge tree and like slammed it into the junior high. And so I saw the aftermath of this is like drove by later But dude, it was so random and crazy. It's like what the hell like this isn't Kansas or whatever tornado alley How often do tornadoes happen in California? I know there I mean, I've been like five in the last I looked this up because a hundred years, right? Yeah. Yeah in the last hundred years

So it's possible just rare. They don't report it because it's so rare. Yeah. I mean, we felt the winds and all the way out in Morgan Hill. This is the first year I'm so glad I did this. I don't know why I did it. So I was just like, you know what? I probably should strap down all of our Christmas stuff. So I actually like staked it all in this year. Yeah. And it was all ripped up. Yeah. It was all we have. We have a trampoline in the back. A trampoline is like a big sale in this year. Thank God. Yeah and it was all ripped up. Yeah it was all ripped up. We have a trampoline in the back. A trampoline is like a big sail in the wind. Yeah it's like a big one. Yeah and in my wife. We're taking mine off.

Yeah we had our handyman kind of stake it down but they're like little stakes or whatever. Yeah and I'm I'm like I don't know so I took a couple hundred pound dumbbells and put them on the leg. Oh smart. Thank God. Yeah. Because that thing was. Yeah because I have those stakes that you're talking about and it ripped those suckers right out Luckily there's still I had so many steak that it like some were kind of hanging on still and I went back out and restaked Them but yeah, we personally knew so this guy Courtney's Friend like they had their car parked in that target parking lot was where it got hit the most and

parked in that target parking lot is where it got hit the most and Somebody's car lifted up and it threw it into their truck And so their truck got all smashed up and it's just like how do you expect like all of a sudden like you're gonna See cars lifted not like slammed it Did you guys see the lightning In the morning who was telling you? She said it was scared the crap out of you East Coast and Midwest people right now are rolling their eyes. We saw lightning everybody! I saw it a bunch. When I was in the Midwest, I seen a bunch of tornadoes and all that. Yeah, when we lived in Colorado, I watched, we lived in Divide, which is

really, I forget what the elevation was, it's right behind, Pike's Peak is like in the backyard. And the thunderstorms were like nothing I've ever seen. So I don't know where else in the country it's crazy like this. But I mean, I watched lightning strike the ground like yards away from me. Well, oh yeah, and we're standing in our garage. Everybody's house has lightning rods.

But you just, that's part of what you do. You put, you're so close to striking all the time. We had to call practice a few times because of that. Yeah. You'd see it come in. It's a trip because you know there's a delay, right? Between the thunder and the lightning right there. Unless it's right next to it. So it's like, that's a weird difference. Here in California, we're used to like, you see something and then you hear like... Yeah, you hear the delay and then you hear the... But when it's like on you, there's no delay. It's like

the same time you're hearing it, you're feeling it, you're, but when it's like on you if there's no delay, it's like the same time you're you're hearing it You're feeling it. You're seeing it all it was like two or three practices that were just so memorable because we were in our just helmets and and Shorts and t-shirt because we're just running through like a Friday before the game on Saturday and running drills and on Saturday and running drills and also it was just sunny. Everything was kind of temperate like weather wise and then all of a sudden just out of nowhere the storm comes in and it's like right from Canada. It's like all the ice and snow and just like pelting us. And of course was a coach make us do extra course. I seriously was like blue dude. Speaking of football, did you see the two Texas fans that got thrown in jail this weekend?

No. Oh yeah. So obviously this is delayed a little bit so this is like a week, two weeks ago for the listener. There was two students, I think a 19 year old and a 20 year old. I don't know if they're students anymore but there's a big Texas and I forget who gave it was a big big game, right? Big college football game. And I guess they had been doing this consistently. They just got caught. But they would they dress up as as construction workers. And they would get in there and they had like fake IDs. And I guess it worked a bunch of times. But this time they got finally caught. And the funny the the best part about it was that their, their names were, I wrote them down. So I wouldn't forget cause I die laughing cause it was in the report. Cause they got, oh, they had, yeah, they had stupid. Oh dude, they had, yes, yes. It was, they were. So the fact that these guys had been getting away with this for some time. Yeah. One was a Harry as crack and the other one was Duncan McCaulker.

The other one was of course it was Duncan McCalkiner I've been meaning to be so podcast. Do you guys remember that one report where it was like a plane? Thailand that was coming in or like Vietnam or so What's a race dude is like banging out and like holy food no no no red on the news and they didn't figure it out until they get like after seven names you could tell they're like oh crap I cried laughing because I saw that live and then like I shared it to like everybody knew it was like this is the best prank of all time oh my god that guy's a hero I died with these guys like dude these guys are

champion you can literally I've never done this but you I think I heard someone say this and I think it's true You could if you and your buddy are carrying a ladder ladder trick bro. You can get in anywhere Yeah, that's like get in the movies get into some of that walking with a ladder and they're like you're working obviously you're working Yeah, especially walking talkie. That's even better The way is that if you could do that, it's just terrible advice, but you could do this in most gyms. You could walk into a gym. You can just, again, the white house, you just walk in top. If you walk into a shot,

you can take a shot at the president. If you have a ladder, terrible. Let's be honest. I mean that of all the places that we should have high security and a ladder should be, shouldn't you get by? I mean, let's be honest. I mean, of all the places that we should have highest security and a ladder shouldn't even get by. Because you're ridiculous. You're absolutely correct. So of course you're going to get in a game. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, you had a ladder. But a gym, seriously, most gyms, if you just walk through, they won't even say anything. I used to have my front desk. I'd be like, did you not just check that person's card and have to run after them? Because they're intimidated, especially if the person just walks right by

I mean as I say sometimes if you just do that, like you just act like you're supposed to be there. I know I saw another you know speaking to school and kids of that this kid. I just saw this too I don't know. I didn't hear how bad he got hurt or not, but It was a graduation, you know, they you know They call your name you walk up and do your thing it was a graduation, you know, and they, they, you know, they call your name and you walk up and do your thing. And afterwards this kid, you know, grabs his thing and then he does a backflip. He does a backflip lands on his fucking head. Of course. It was like everybody. Oh my God. I saw that. He's all, this will be cool. Yeah. Remembered forever. Yeah. Like the key, the key to boost himself. Wow. Third grade. That's it.

Everybody knows. Hey, it was great. It was great seeing you. I missed it. I feel like the key to Booth himself in third grade. That's it, everybody knows. Hey, it was great seeing you. I missed, Justin and Doug weren't there because they were sinful. It was nice to see Adam and the rest of the team at church. I spent a lot of time there, dude. Yeah, yeah. I got a lot of stripes.

Yeah, I already heard about it. Adam came with his family, brought his mom. It was great to see you and your mom and the rest of the team was at the church. I missed out. I had FOMO for sure. It was great, man. We had quite a few people that were with us. My mom was so happy.

Bro, when she hugged me, did you hear? My mom cried for like an hour. Did she? She whispered in my ear when she hugged me, did I tell you? You know what I always tell my mom? I always tell her, yeah, what'd she tell you? Like, oh, thanks for getting my son.

Yes, she did. He's such a digener. I tell my Yeah, I know what she tell you like. Oh, thanks for getting my stuff. Yes I tell my mom I said I'm already saved mom. Why you get a press so hard? I Calm down no, but yeah, she's shit. She was happy and sweet. It was cute to see max there. He's such a sweet kid He did what Aurelius did all the time. Yeah, because the music. So my son now loves it, but initially he didn't like the music. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he was fine still because he was like, but my son's so funny with stuff like that because if I play his music, I can play it full as loud as I want. That's just him.

I don't want to be here and I know this works. You know what I'm saying? That's smart. You know, he's doing, you know what I'm saying? And I just like calm down guy. I said, don't worry. We'll go get a treat afterwards. Yeah. I told him I said, take him to get a donut afterwards. And he's like, my kids did great, bro. Cause I'd say nine out of ten times we we have to leave after the music like they like the music They'll stay for the music once the sermon starts We just started using the iPad that gives us an extra ten minutes Mm-hmm, and then things get squirrely and then we got to take them out

But they stayed for most of it was so funny that you had that because as we were pulling up we were talking about so, you know, cuz we we brought him like a coloring book and things like that, and we were driving and we're just like, you know, it's been a while since I've been to church. I'm like, I don't know, are churches iPad friendly? Or is that like, you're not supposed to say that. I think they want your kid not to scream friendly. Yeah.

So let people know. So we literally, right before we walked in, we were joking about how, we're like, oh, that's probably not You just thought okay, you can't have you can't have them on that then you had like the iPad We do because for the last for now since we've been going for the last year my wife she tries everything she's got Books and coloring books and activities. She'll lay them out on the floor. We sit in the very front So we have space. Yeah, she sits on the floor with them and just nothing, nothing, nothing.

Every single time we gotta take them out and it's stressful. But we keep going because, mainly because we love the worship music, we can hear some of the sermons sometimes, but it's the people. We meet the people, you build community there, we've got some great friends there.

But finally she was just like, all right, let's use the iPad, let's break out the big guns. And it's not 100%, but we made it through two thirds, which was like a record. And I had to take my daughter out. I took her out. Well, they have the hallways,

and they have it set up pretty nice where you can kinda make it work. Max was like, this is sad music. Oh, at one point when they played it. Well, they had the fun music. They played a solo, and I hear him in the fun music, they played like a solo, and I hear him in the back and he's like, this is sad.

It's so cute. I wanna squeeze his shit out. He's too much, dude. He's a good time. Kids are fun, man. They'll say things and you're just like, where do you get that from? Yeah, I'm sheltered, I love it.

Oh, it's a good time. Hey, I wanted to say something about Butcher Box's ground beef. I'm gonna bring this up before I forget. Grass-fed meat typically tastes not as good as grain-fed. That's just 100%. Grass-fed is healthier. But I prefer on all accounts grass-fed ground beef. Because of the fat content, it tastes great. It tastes great. Actually, I like the taste better because it doesn't taste as like greasy, and it's way easier on my stomach. And I've been meaning to bring this up because we eat a lot of this, especially with my kids. We make, we mix ground beef with a little taco seasoning, salt, and rice, and that's like a staple meal for them.

And I'll eat some of it too. And I way prefer the grass-fed version. So that's funny, If I'm cooking a steak, like a ribeye or something like that, the grain-fed fattier steaks, they do take better. But at Ground Beef, I'm with you on that. So we do Taco Tuesday. That's always in our house, Taco Tuesday. And I love when we have the ground beef from Butcher Box, because that leaner meat sits so much better in my stomach. If I have the

tacos with the regular ground beef, the grease and the fat sit on the taco. I have a couple of those tacos and my stomach is upset from that. Exactly. So the ground beef, I prefer to be on the leaner end for sure. Whereas with the meat cuts, I like and then it's just you know I always remember this like as a cost-effective Like healthy meal that's high protein with some carbs And you can have a side of vegetables with it ground beef and rice throw some salsa on it a little bit of taco seasoning Salt you can add you have that as your staple found that's such an easy

Yeah, it's just ready to go easy meal healthy taste good We brought it up the last time we talked about butcher box, and I actually had never really counted or paid attention. I didn't realize what a difference the higher protein it was. So you talk about someone who's trying to... Because it's leaner. Yeah, someone who's trying to... If you're going to eat eight ounces of ground beef, that is butcher box...

Yeah, 97% lean or lean or whatever. Yeah. It's more protein. Yeah, you're talking about 10, 15 more grams of protein in a serving like that. That's a big difference. Totally. Totally.

I got to tell you guys about an incredibly emasculating experience I had over the weekend. I can't wait. Something we've all experienced before. But it's just, for some reason, it's extreme. First of all, it's really frustrating. But it's also emasculating and I just did it again and I'm so mad that I did again I scratched my rims oh the new ones yes not bad where were you at but a little bit I was yes it was Starbucks

yes it's cuz the way they make those turns they make it for in the drive like bro what kind of cars I won't even listen I won't even go through the It was a Starbucks? Yes. It's because the way they make those turns, bro. They make it for a one- In the drive-through? What kind of cars would fit in there? Listen, I won't even go through the drive-through if I'm driving one of my cars. I really care. I never do a drive-through. I literally-

How do you go through that without- There can be no line in the drive-through. My truck is a murder. And depending on what car I'm in, I park that shit. I can have a go because I have curbed it enough times in those drive-bases. I hear the sound. It was very minor. I heard a, and immediately, I'm in I parked that shit I can have go because I have curbed it enough times in those driveways And I hear the sound it was very minor I know and immediately I'm just like oh well they have that they have like that hairpin sharp turn and

Then and then on top of that the curb is you can't really so low Just I mean look at it. It looks like everybody it gets hit probably. I'm so I was so mad I saw I look at it. Oh breaks my heart, and then I'm look at it. It looks like everybody. It gets hit probably 15 times. I was so mad. I looked at it. It breaks my heart. And then I'm embarrassed about it. So I told you guys the last time I did that, I bring it into the dealership. And they can polish it out. It looks good. But still, my wife, she knows. She looks at me and she goes, just tell them I did it, honey. I'm like, thanks. It's embarrassing. I'll fall on your sword. Yeah, thanks, babe. I appreciate you. You know what I mean? My wife did the ribs again. And the guys in there, no. Yeah, thanks, babe. I appreciate you. Dude. You know what I mean?

My wife did the ribs again. And the guy's in there, no. All right, bro. We've all done that shit. Oh, it's so annoying. That is annoying. Oh, I want to rip whatever remains of my hair out of my head. You know, speaking of cars, did you guys see the thing with the EPA?

So EPA giving the government the green light by 2035 to be able, in California, to ban gas cars. No way. Yeah. They gave them the right, but green light by 2035 to be able in California to ban gas cars. No way. Yeah. They gave them the right, but are they going to? Bro, it's California. Here's a few reasons why I don't think it'll happen, why I think it's a bunch of posturing to make it look like we're so whatever. We don't have the energy grid for it. We're so down. Period, end of story. We get blackouts with our current situation. Now you're gonna get everything on the electric grid. That's not gonna happen unless they overhaul the whole damn thing. They don't have

the infrastructure to support it. Not at all. The taxes, California's gas is some of the most expensive in America because of the taxes. Where are they gonna get that tax revenue from? If they eliminate gas. It's not gonna happen. And then then number three look at all the gas cars They're gonna force people to switch out there or what because it like you're assuming that this is better for the environment

And then when you actually look into it, it's like not even the case. So what is your case? It's just it's it's impostering It's a bunch about it won't happen. I don't think it will find it done. I did Yeah, I gotta find an article I can actually pull up without having to pay for it. Oh, really? I hate that. That's how they get you. That's how they get you those taxes.

But how would, yeah, the Biden administration expected to offer a waiver to ban. Yeah, I mean, that doesn't mean it's gonna happen. I don't think it'll happen. The market has to support it. People have to choose it, and then we have to have the grid to support it. You know?

Imagine the blackouts that would happen. We get blackouts now. I know because it's a little hot. Yeah Yeah, their PG needs just like, you know I mean a lot of these I know a lot of these car properties have have gone back on what they originally said cuz even there's A lot of them that came out a couple years ago when we first reported on it that they were all by 2025 gonna be fully electric Oh, you had a fully backed out. Yeah, I mean that should be a signal right there more and more more and more cars, but then you still see I mean I don't know. It's interesting. It's gonna be really interesting to see where where I here's where I think we'll go fully electric I think it'll go fully electric when Self-driving cars become the norm. That's what it makes sense because then the self-driving cars

Either most people won't own cars. I don't think I think it'll become services on an app and they'll go plug themselves in you'll go on your phone it'll pick you up and take you because it'll be cost-effective it'll be cheaper for the consumer to have it now some people own cars but I think most people are gonna be like horses yeah I think most people won't own cars in the future because it'll be so much cheaper and cost-effective to go on your app and have your the car come pick you up. The only reason why I don't debate that is because I obviously didn't grow up in a time when all we had was horses and then horses were on their way out with

wagons and then cars and like I wonder what people probably I'm sure there was people that were right like this is ridiculous we're never gonna have horses or not ride horses like I'm sure they said that but what is sad I don't know it would be so sad to me so so I think it would be so cost-effective because you won't have to pay for the insurance you want to pay for the upkeep you'll literally pay for service and there'll be varying degrees of services from luxury to convenience your kids can get picked up and dropped off Now you're supporting conflict minerals I mean you know how you sell me is like it eliminates traffic. Oh for sure. That is the selling point for sure

That's the selling point Environment bullshit lies that ain't telling me on that you could you could move me in that direction You have to get a bunch of people off the road. Well, you'll have a bunch of cars that'll communicate with each other Yeah, that's why you ever stick in everybody run the same speed. Yes. Have you ever sat in traffic as a kid? I remember thinking this a kid. I was like, why don't we just all move at the same time as a kid, you know? Yeah, that's what happens. There's always two people just like this that you know, don't realize there's a fast lane. Yeah Can we go back and re-educate people what a fast lane is?

Get out of the way. That's the part that I think, that's the part that'll be interesting because I mean, think about it, I mean, most of us have to commute into work and when you come in at work hours, you're adding 20 minutes to your day. 20 minutes.

You can also work in the car. Right. You can have an office car pick you up. That's a huge in the car But even then so okay, so at least this is how I envisioned My life is I 100% Because I already have like a the car that I don't care about my computer my commuter car that I trashed it beat up That's my getting back. So I don't mind I don't if I had a shoot an automated or a driver and like, okay, cool.

But I still would want recreationally. I still would want my cars, like a car that I go to drive it on a track. See that that would piss me off. Yeah, I don't want that. I can't believe I can't imagine that. What, or else it's like, like freeways would be like, I mean, that's sensible if you get everybody sort of like automated and it's all, you know, what if it in line, but then all the side roads, it might be like a phase out, you know what I it in line but then all the side roads it might be like a phase out you know what i mean it might be like the first three lanes are ai that's exactly car and there's one for everybody it wants commuter lanes of like that's how they would do it that's how they would do it and the way they would convert everybody is those three lanes that are automated or better way better and faster and you get to work like so that would be the selling point right i can even my stubborn ass who wants to drive if I'm sitting in my gas-powered

car in traffic sitting trying to get to work which is only five minutes away and there's zipping by like okay I'm cashed I'm buying one I'm going in or whatever I should buy the speed gives it but every time that drive by Adam on the way to work in the carpool lane. I feel like I already use my get out of free jail card. That's why the one cop that let me off for the fact that he always calls me, calls me on the phone. Is that you in the car? I feel like that one time that I was watching TV, the plates, the tinted windows, the commuter lane, and the cop was cool. It was like,

let me go. You don't want to push your foot? Yeah, I'm like, because what an asshole I am if the same guy gets me again. You know what I'm saying? Doing the same bullshit. Yeah. Oh.

Yeah, I kind of deserve a ticket. Now I'm going to talk about it. Can we get them again? We have winners, right, for the Park City? Oh, yes. Park City winners. Yes, we do. Let's pull those up.

By the way, the audience. Because it's disconnected here. Why Doug's pulling it up on the TV that doesn't work we had Originally it was supposed to be just to her we had such a great incredible So we were originally gonna give away two winners. Yes, but we had such a great response. We added a third one Yes, so three people when Christmas spirit when a five-day vacation Yeah at the mine pump Park City House now for recap

We were we did this giveaway where you got entries if you bought a new program if you bought a Bundle there were more entries if you got bundle versus just a program this that and the other So we have three people who won and these are the people so if you hear your name you win The first one is now this is their Instagram handles. Is that these are the people, so if you hear your name, you win. The first one is, now this is their Instagram handles, is that what that is? These are their Instagram handles. Can you read them off for me, Doug? Yeah, elena.reese.arroyo.

The next one is Jillian R. Fitt. And the third one is kevin underscore baits07. They've all been contacted already, but this is just for. 31. No, we have to give it publicly, because I don't know about anybody else. I'm sure anyone who's people that are listening... By the way, too, we didn't talk about this. We're not related to any of them.

Why we're in the giving mood, we're talking about giving... At Sal de Stefano, at Justin Edgings. Don't you guys... Hey, the giveaway, things like that, I'm always so skeptical. They're fake, I feel like they've got to be fake. No, these are real. These are real people. You can look them up, I feel like they're gotta be fake. No, these are real These are real people you can look them up ask them if they want find out But yeah, anyways, this puts me in a gratitude place. I don't know if you guys really

Wrapped your little brains around the Spotify rap that happened. Yeah, and how crazy that kind of is I've been telling like my family and friends. Yeah, I have a big brain. Yeah, I don't think you guys I don't think you guys understand We did that rap right? We're at the end of the year Spotify does all the top listens, whatever with that. 40,000, over 40,000 people, we were the number one thing in their ears for the entire year. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. That's awesome. Okay. 40,000 plus. Over 170,000 people had us as their top ten My top ten for my Spotify rap not even a single podcast was in that no

I know his music. Yeah his music cuz I listen to music mostly and then I listen to a lot of podcasts I like and things like that. Yeah, so to think that for over and 40,000 people you guys that's more than the Warriors arena Okay of people. No, it's insane like didn't just listen to you that's crazy they listen to you more than anything else they listen to and okay to add more craziness to this Spotify represents less than 25% of our audience yes we're much bigger on iTunes and we also have the YouTube so doesn't include that's right so just Spotify had 40,000 plus people that you were the number one thing they listened to for the entire year of us. Yeah, yeah the entire that's crazy You know what's cool about that is super grateful when the drone wars are we could just tell these 40,000 together

That's what I'm saying sell bad ourselves So big a big this a big thank you Thank you to all the people that have supported this business and supported us this entire time. It's very humbling to see that and that's really really cool. Makes us feel good. Sometimes it's hard to really fathom that because we sit in this little box and talk into the space. Yeah, and we don't actually see these people. But when you see numbers like that and then you understand what it fills up a basketball or a football arena and think holy crap,

and then to think when I see my own numbers of the things that I listen to and go, I would consider myself a fan of many podcasts that I like, but none of them even cracked my top 10 things that I listen to, and so to think that we did that for 170,000 people and then did it, you know the number one thing for 40,000 people. That's pretty wild We appreciate it awesome and one more thing you still have time to win a eight sleep for your head If you go to Instagram right now, this is Christmas Eve right now. You can

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Go to paleovalley.com forward slash mind pump on that link you'll get a discount. All right. Back to the show. Our first caller is Jennifer from California. Hi Jennifer. How you doing Jennifer? Hey how's it going guys? Doing good. How can we help you? Yeah so in Southern California and I'm sure all over the country what happens with kids in sports is there's a lot of pressure for club sports. I have three kids myself and thankfully they love playing sports and

my two boys are both in club sports. The issue is around here the club coaches kind of punish kids when they do other sports and when I say kids I'm talking about elementary age and middle school. So I'm of the believer having a training background. Kids need to be cycling through different sports and it's so important that they build other muscles, they build other skills and I've told coaches before in a polite way, explain to them how you know we really should be promoting a seasonal change up into a certain age. And even in high school, you know, I'm like, what professional athlete only played one sport? Let's be real here,

until you got to a certain age. I know it's a moneymaker. So I understand that these club coaches really do need to run a business. I respect that. Again, two of my kids are in club sports all year round. But I also change out their sports through season in different rec. Now, sometimes these kids are punished and they can't play a club game that weekend or they're benched if they miss a certain practice for another seasonal sport.

So my question really is, who are some of the top researchers who I can point these parents and these coaches to look at the research on why it's beneficial for young children to get a variety of sports for their overall training and how that will make them a better athlete for their main sport as they get older. Check out we did a great interview with Chad Wesley Smith

from Juggernaut Training. From Juggernaut Training. You'll love, in fact the entire episode was training kids from like you know birth all the way through high school and professional and what does that path look and you're spot on by by the way you're totally right yeah that's what I should I do advocating for your kids like that because yeah it is it's a scarcity mindset from these coaches and they're just trying to you know make sure that they're the priority but honestly what you're doing is perfect Jennifer what the data shows clearly is up until they're much older, let me give you a scenario. If you have two kids, one kid let's say is talented in soccer and all they

ever do is play soccer from five years old on, the other kid also talented in soccer but plays lots of different sports until they get up into college, the one that plays all the other different sports will actually do better at soccer. So and that's what the data shows. It's very clear Now the reason for this is the the the neuroplasticity of the brain Is so incredible at a young age that it's that it's better for them to develop general body awareness and Kinesthetic skills early on than it is to focus on one specific set of skills that doesn't happen till much later

So even if you want your kid to be excellent at one specific sport, they're going to be better at that sport if they play a multitude of sports in those younger ages. Language analogy is really good. So like if you were just like learning a language, if you wanted your kid to be able to speak like five fluent languages, you having them do all those when they're younger is far better than them speaking English their entire life and then all of a also deciding you're going to do focus just on the one, you know what I'm saying? So same concept.

Yeah. In fact, in fact, it's predictive variables. So here, the thing is like these kids that are specializing early will be good in terms of the sport itself and the skill of the sport itself, but they're not going to be able to predict unforeseen variables, which these other kids will get exposed to these variables have quite an advantage long-term over these other specialized kids. So between that and then also, again, pattern overuse, and this tends to lead towards injury earlier in their careers, definitely a lot shorter.

Something you should look into in terms of if you want to geek out on the science of it all, if you've read Super Training by Mel Siff, you could get into all the Russian studies and everything else like proving this, all of this, and you can kind of present that to your coach. Yeah. The challenge, Jennifer, is the anecdotes of like the like the the Williams sisters or Targa Woods and be like, oh my god they played that sport since they were really of like the Williams sisters or Tiger Woods. And people are like, oh my God, they played that sport since they were really young. They did very well in spite of the fact that they did that.

Now, they worked very hard, they were obviously genetically gifted. But again, the data shows very clearly, this isn't even a debate, that a child will do better at a specific sport if up until they're right around college age they do a multitude of different sports. So again to use the language analogy learning three languages at a young age means you speak all three fluently without an accent when you're older and you'll

actually have a better grasp and understanding of your native language because you have a better grasp of language in general. So that's what happens. So what you're saying is absolutely right. These club managers, they, again, scarcity mindset, they're also probably not up on the data. And they're just trying to get as many kids to play their sports possible, but they're going against what the data is showing. So it isn't just anecdote.

Like this is very clear, this is well-known knowledge in the coaching world with anybody who's up to date with all those studies. Jennifer, it's episode 952, episode 952, and he literally breaks it down to, from this age to this age, you should do up to four sports. GPG, look at this. From this age to this age, you should do three sports.

But even in high school, you should be doing at least two sports, so he breaks it all the way down. We talk about the science. That's a really good episode. I definitely, I require my children because they're still young enough. I require them every season. We're changing up a different sport and if I feel like they are stressed out from a club sport, I sign them up for a rec sport of a totally different sport. That's great. Just to get them out in nature and having fun and meeting new people. So perfect. I'm going to check out all this. And my second question, my oldest is 13 and in eighth grade. And what's amazing is now he and his friends are super into lifting. They like to do, they like to hit their biceps

because they want the girls. But what's amazing is they've come to me now and they wanna come to the gym with me. So I have been listening to your advice. Obviously I have a background also. And I tell them, we're not gonna overdo it. You don't wanna be in the gym too often because they're all different multifaceted athletes.

What would you guys recommend as the best program that I could possibly get them started on? I was thinking, I didn't know about like symmetry or a mobility type thing. I do wanna work on, I'm teaching them basics on how to do a deadlift. The like main important muscle groups that I feel like all teenage kids really need to learn

that sets them up for success. So what program do you think is a good fit? Are they, and they're currently playing and practicing sports as well, right? Correct. Yeah, Math 15 and we have a new program coming out that'll be even better that follows that same methodology, but it's like two exercises a day. What's good about Math 15 is it's only two exercises and it's the core lifts. I think one of the best things you can do

is what you're kinda doing already, which is teaching them the fundamentals around a squat. If you can get your boys learning the deadlift and the squat, just practicing the form and the technique and get that down, that's gonna be. Yeah, we're gonna give you our MAF's 15 performance and it's much more athletic minded, much more functional type of exercise and movements.

But yeah, it's simple. It's like, you only have like two to three exercises and that's really, you don't wanna overwhelm them. And I think too, to have them sharpen the skill of the lifting portion of it If you can get them to do that, they're already ahead of everybody else All right, awesome guys. Thank you. You got it. Thanks for coming in. Yeah, keep up the great work Jennifer. Yes Thanks Yeah, great

Great question. I'm so glad that she's pushing you out, you know, pushing you back. I love it. This is my world right now. Against those coaches. And you know, the language analogy is so good, Adam, because it is true that you learn all these languages fluently if you do them early on with neuroplasticity. But you also get later on, and studies will show this, children that learn multiple languages at an early age have a better grasp of communication of their native language later because

you have a greater overall understanding of communication period. Because if you speak, you know, French and German and Chinese, they all communicate just a bit differently. There's some words you can't necessarily translate and so when you have a grasp of language more fully, you can actually communicate better even in one language. Which is the same with movement, it's the same with anything. So you really want to take advantage of that neuroplasticity

with your child with exercise. And it's a complete myth that, oh I want my kid to be good at football, just play football. Just play football long term, if you want to really set them up. Our next caller is Irina from Canada. Irina, how can we help you? Hey guys, I'm such a huge fan. Thank you so much for choosing my question.

So my question is, I'm wondering if you guys can speak to if or how weight training and muscle training principles can be applied to the face. Within the aesthetics community, it's generally regarded as BS, but I don't understand why. The face is made up of muscles, which sag in atrophy over time. Wouldn't it be beneficial to find specific ways to isolate and train them to build back lost volume? And why aren't there more studies on this? And what do you guys know about building up cheeks, temples, eye sockets, and the connective tissues that keep skin attached to the bone? Great question.

Yeah, this is a great question. You can definitely, any muscle can be developed. You can build any muscle, okay? The key is, or the challenge is, how do I add resistance to some muscles? Progressively. Yeah, I mean, the muscles you can mostly work on in the face are the ones that open and close the jaw.

Now the rest of the muscles that surround the head, that raise the eyebrows and move the eyes and lift your ears, it'd be really tough to add resistance. I've never seen a machine or anything that's able to do that. I think practicing those movements might be a good idea. Now the problem with your community is many of the treatments that go to making someone look younger do the opposite, right? They look, they aim to atrophy the muscles of the face with like Botox, for example.

Like let's give you some Botox and paralyze those muscles, which might take away wrinkles, but also atrophies muscles. So I could see why they're against any kind of development. Now as far as developing the jaw muscles there is a product called jaw exercise which will add resistance. I mean it will add resistance and some people do say it helps develop the muscles of the jaw. Now the key and the problem with working the the muscles that open and close the jaw Now the key and the problem with working the muscles that open and close the jaw is you want to do it in a very balanced way because if there's any imbalance you can cause joint issues in the jaw and that can cause a lot of problems like TMJ and stuff like that. But you definitely can. You definitely can build up those muscles.

And again, jaws or sides is the only device I've seen that aims to do that. And it's like a ball that you chew on on both sides. I also think that part of the reason why there's just not a lot of conversation around it is it's, there's bigger rocks that are going to make, like if you were doing jaws are size but then not hitting protein intake and eating a poor diet and you had other things that will, like that'll make an impact on how lean or tone your face looks more than doing jaws or size all day long. So I also think that where it falls in the category of the biggest things that will make the difference like aesthetically,

it's not one of the biggest things. But if you if you were checking all the other boxes, good diet training, do a lot of stuff, the jaws or size thing is is only going to help. It's not going to be a bad thing so long as you do it balanced. Yeah, and unfortunately, you know, if you look at the world of commercial aesthetics, what we tend to value is youthful skin, and I think you know a lot about, you know, how to make skin more healthy and youthful, and also fat, fat in the face. So you tend to get punished, not, not you know from anybody other than maybe what the cosmetic world would say if you get too lean especially as a woman and

Developing muscles adds more of a chiseled look to the face which men like Women tend to shy away from women tend to want a fuller rounder face. They inject in the face, right? They tend to want to make their face look like it's a little fatter while the rest of them is really lean. Yes so it's a bit counter to your space you know but that being said jaws are that's the only I can't think of any other exercise device for the face. No I mean yeah masters like it I looked back into this a long time ago when we were looking at old time lifts and techniques and how they used to use chains and crazy stuff like biting down on these bits.

But it's all connected to the full kinetic chain. So that's that's definitely a part of it. If you're dead lifting or you're lifting heavy weights, really like, you know, gripping down with your jaw. But again, you can overdo that too. So like you said, TMJ and a lot of these things can happen if you do too much intensity. But yeah, really, that's the only feasible product that I could think of. No, yeah, that's about it. We don't have a program for you. Sorry. Face crunches.

We don't have a face program. Well, there's tons of people too, like in the online communities and stuff that have, you know, created programs, developed programs where you're using your fingers as resistance and doing special movements and stuff like that. But then there's the aesthetic community. It's absolutely don't do that. That's actually going to do the opposite. There seems to be no consensus.

And yeah, that's exactly it. It's you know, Botox is really just the skin and really it's that fillers, that volume, it's that muscle. Why can't we treat the same way we treat the body? You're right. I agree with you. Again, what's considered aesthetic for men and for women, for the face is very different. For men, chiseled, some edges, developed jawline and muscle in the face is considered attractive. For women, I just said a bunch of stuff a lot of women cringed over. For women, it's like paralyze the muscles of my face, add some fluid to make it look like it's a little fatter in the face even though I'm walking around real

lean. So yeah, difficult. I mean, I believe, it's been a while since I looked at his website, but I believe the jaws-or-size guy has before and after pictures of people's faces, so you can see some pictures of what some people that have done it religiously look like. I mean, it'd be a fun experiment, too, but yeah, it seems to be counter to what the industry is doing. So it's just not there. Literally, Botox literally is paralyzing the muscles.

Yeah, so they're either paralyzing or injecting fat into the face. So it's like the opposite of what the actual jaws or sides would do. Yeah, but from a health perspective, you know, if you do proper exercises of the face, I know you can solve a lot of issues for some people with neck pain, migraines, TMJ, you know, but obviously must

be done properly because it could also make those things worse. What about connective tissue? Do you guys have an opinion on that? Because that's obviously present all over the body and that is really another thing that counters the forces of gravity as folks age and kind of keep stuff lifted. You know, strength training in general, so this is good topic. So strength training sends a localized, acute muscle building, connective tissue building signal, but there is also a milder systemic signal that's sent.

And we see this in lots of studies where one arm will be incapacitated and then if you exercise the other arm, the incapacitated and then if you exercise the other arm, the incapacitated arm will actually lose less muscle because of this systemic muscle building effect. So what you see in the data, for example, in the skin, is you see this pro-collagen boosting building protein synthesis signal that goes to the skin from strength training.

In fact, strength training is the best form of exercise for the skin. Now, you're looking at oxidative stress and all kinds of stuff that, you know, it impedes on the skin. Yeah, so if you look at like, all forms of exercise done properly tend to improve the health of the skin,

but strength training builds the skin. Other forms of exercises don't. So just general strength training will do that, and then in combination with a high protein diet. Like if you're getting one gram of protein per pound of target body weight you're getting all the amino acids that are necessary for the collagen development matrices and all of the connective tissue. So those two things right there just strength train, eat a high protein diet and then of course the stuff you know stay hydrated, sure you get adequate fat don't go too low on fat that kind of stuff but yeah that'll do it for the whole body.

Perfect. Thank you. Take care. You got it. You know what's her what was her profession I didn't catch the esthetician. Oh I did say I didn't see it. Yeah or at least I'm guessing she says with the aesthetics community. Yeah I never saw her what she did for a living.

I didn't say that. Oh yeah, that's like, I guess that. I know, I would like assume that, I guess. Yeah, you guys were assuming it. I'm like, how did they know that? I'm like, I didn't hear her say that. Oh, because I saw aesthetics in her question. I thought that she said estheticians.

You know, it's funny, dude. That space aims to atrophy the hell out of the muscles of your face. Well, that's a good point to why they don't talk about this because it's literally the opposite of what they're doing. It's the opposite. Yeah, it's the opposite. By the way, have you ever seen, have you ever noticed,

you guys have noticed this, in extreme cases, you don't see this in normal people, but you'll see some bodybuilders who are super overdeveloped, they eat a lot of meat and they're all in a lot of gear, the muscles on their head and face are like, what is that? They develop muscles, like yeah, on their head. Yeah, and then again, side note with kids,

the size of a child's jaw, the spacing, the development of their teeth is directly connected, because it's all malleable when they're young, it's connected to how much hard things they chew as a kid. So give your kids meat to chew on, and they're less likely to need their, they won't need to get their wisdom teeth removed, or they won't need to get,

you know, braces and stuff like that. It's really interesting. Well, yeah, you're right. I mean the goal is to paralyze these muscles so they don't get the wrinkles and everything else. They don't want them to contract. So it's like, yeah, it's totally cool. They want a no muscle fat face is what they want. Our next caller is Brian from California. What's up, Brian? What's up, man, Brian?

How's it going guys? Thanks for having me. You got up, Brian? What's up, man? What's up, man, Brian? How's it going, guys? Thanks for having me. You got it, man. How can we help you? I'll just ask the question just so I don't throw any curve balls. I'll just read it off. So I've been a listener to the show for a few years,

and because of you guys, I've transformed my physique. I feel great. I have a much better understanding of metabolism, how the human body works, so I can't thank you enough I eat completely whole real foods diet prioritize between 210 to 250 grams of protein a day I switch my rep ranges every three weeks from mid to high and low reps and it all feels great I've seen steady improvement and all that so no complaints sit there But I've listened to a few books recently, and one of them was the sports gene.

And I've learned a lot of cool things, but there was like a couple things that kind of threw me for a loop. That I was wondering if you guys could clarify. So one of them was, the book said that there's somewhat of a maximum to the amount of muscle that human body can hold naturally.

They said it's about a five to one muscle to bone density ratio. And once you've maxed out all the extra protein you're consuming to build muscle, we'll just convert to fat storage. I think it's called like gluconeogenesis. Although I don't think I'm maxed out by any means, the concern is that eventually what I'm doing would just stop working. Like if I did kind of reach that maximum, I'd just start building fat, even though I'm eating a clean diet, like high in protein. Is that a thing? I mean, it's hard to wrap my head around

that eating good foods would still make you fat. Yeah, it's such an over ridiculous simplification. So, okay, there's a maximum that the human body can hold in terms of muscle. I mean, that's true. There's gonna be a difference from person to person. Don't we have that calculator online? Don't we have that calculator online? We do. Yeah, I remember you guys Yeah, you guys said that calculator too. By the way, that's based off of some of the most muscular people

we've known in history, built muscle naturally. So there's a wide genetic variance and all that, you know, etc, etc. But no, okay, here's the deal. Extra protein doesn't get converted to fat unless it's extra calories. Your body gains body fat from eating more calories than you burn. That's all. That's it, bottom line. So if your body's burning 3,000 calories a day

and you're eating 4,000 calories a day, you're gonna gain body fat. If you're eating 3,000 calories a day and you're burning 3,000 calories a day, even if you've maxed out in your muscle and that stuff, it doesn't matter. So it really comes from an extra calorie. Now that being said, if we're gonna go into the weeds a little bit, it seems that it's more difficult to gain body fat from protein than it is from carbohydrates and from fat. But at the

end of the day, and that probably again has to do with, well it definitely has to do with that protein probably burns more calories to utilize Than carbohydrates and fats do I'm also trying to think of an example of a friend of ours that we have that you would say You think has reached their their muscle potential naturally and is not like who's hard to think who do we who do we know? That's trained so consistently naturally for so long And it's built probably at the tip of their at their peak. I think it's a long time to reach naturally Yeah, yeah, because you're enhanced and that you're you guys that gives you a whole nother. Yeah, you go through the ceiling

Yeah, but and you can also change that what that limit looks like right even if you go off because of the muscle memory, but yeah But, and you can also change that, what that limit looks like, right? Even if you go off because of the muscle memory. But yeah, it's an oversimplification. I think it's an interesting book, I'm familiar. There's some cool stuff in there. But if you eat more protein than is necessary, but your calories are below what you're burning,

you get leaner. So it doesn't have, it's not the extra protein, it's the extra calories that get converted to body fat. Now again, that's an oversimplification because the calories you burn can change quite a bit depending on your metabolism, activity, et cetera. Yeah, that was gonna be kind of a follow-up question because I figured that's where you guys would go with it,

but have you also read the obesity code or good calories, bad calories? I'm familiar, but I have not read them So so the whole concept there is that it's more of the the type of food they are eating that Creates an insulin spike and that the calories aren't as much of what matter because like if you over consume on the calories Your body will just like burn it off as like body heat But then that was also kind of confusing because I know like Adam as a competitor and stuff, he's talked about manipulating calories for different body compositions.

Yeah. Right, but then it's like, then I don't know what to believe. Is it just like, okay, avoid hyper-processed carbs and then you'll never have that? Or if you do eat healthy, but you're way over consuming on calories, can you still? Oh yeah.

It's all important. All of it is important. But at the end of the day, bottom line, okay, bottom line, and again, this can change quite a bit depending on your metabolism and your sleep and your activity and lots of factors. Just to be clear, mammalian metabolism is one of the most complicated things we've ever identified in the universe, okay? So that being said,

complicated things we've ever identified in the universe. So that being said, if you take in more calories than you burn, you'll gain weight. If you take in less calories than you burn, you'll lose weight or lose tissue. Your body has to get that energy from somewhere. That's just the law of physics. We've never observed that law of physics to be any different. That's why it's a law.

Now hormones play a role in your metabolism. They play a role in what kind of tissue you may burn or what kind of tissue you may gain. So eating more calories than you burn, but let's say your testosterone levels are low and cortisol is high, you're probably more likely to gain body fat than muscle and vice versa. But yeah, a lot of these books aim,

they tend to oversimplify or they try to paint a picture that counters what may be common knowledge as a way to sell their book, whatever, but there's truth in all of them. I don't wanna say that, there's truth in a lot of them. But don't get too caught in the weeds because what's happening, you're gonna get confused. What do I do?

Whole natural foods, strength training. Get good sleep. Strength training. Yeah, you're good. That's a huge factor Well and one of the huge pluses and you probably know this from your own experience of eating a whole food diet is The beauty of that is it's even though it's possible to Over consume and put body fat on because you're just eating too many calories. It's much more difficult, right? It's easier to land where your body needs when you're when you're eating these whole natural foods

It's kind of interesting. Yeah, this your satiety signals work. You're full you're good And you know when you're really hungry you eat a little bit more because your body probably needed it And then when you start adding in processed foods, that's where this stuff gets really difficult Which is all why we've since day one I've always spoke out on the kind of the IIFYM community and just, oh, as long as it fits your macros, like, yeah, okay, that's right. If it fits your macros, you can stay lean and do processed food. Problem is that makes it very difficult for the average person.

And you're gonna be like, shit. Yeah. So you're on the right track, obviously. Well, then it's easier to, because it's easier to like weigh over-consume calories and under-consume nutrients around those types of foods. That's right. Especially the calories part. They're designed to make you overeat, that's it. And they're really good at it.

Yeah. Okay, cool. Well hey, thank you guys again. Like I said, all this stuff I've learned from you guys and it's made a huge difference in my life. So I spread the word about Mind Pump all the time. Appreciate you guys. You got it man, thanks for calling in.

Appreciate you guys, right on. This is, there's two reasons, two reasons why people are so confused. One is the hype, diet, sales, baloney. Then there's the science side that takes stuff that's really not important for the average person to understand. Isolates like mechanisms that are not even that.

It just confuses the hell out of people. And then it starts this crazy debate. Calories don't matter. And then it just says like, well, your insulin doesn't matter. I know they both matter, but you've just confused everybody. Yeah. And now people are doing the wrong stuff. It's actually...

It's like part of the pie. Totally. Our next caller is Colin from Kansas. What's up, Colin? What's happening? How can we help you? Hey, guys. How's it going?

Good, man. Good. Yeah. Thank you for the opportunity to be on today. This is this is awesome. I really appreciate the chance here. I sent in a question around programming and nutrition for the end of the year here and I'll read it off for you guys. I've been running Power Lift and eating here through the winter with a focus on testing one rep maxis here at the end of the year. Following this program, I have two things I'd like to accomplish.

One of them is to run symmetry as a deload correctional program on the backside of the lifting I've been doing. And I'd also like to go into the new year and run a light cut on the backside of this bulk that I've kind of been working through. My question is whether or not it's worth trying to do both at the same time.

Obviously there my feet would be not benefiting from symmetry because I'm not giving myself enough calories for the adaptation. And so I'd love your guys' opinion on whether or not I should do something like maintain and extend that bulk through something like symmetry or if perhaps you think they'd be okay to run together. Good question. No, I think you could do a cut. I wouldn't make it too aggressive. That's exactly right. If you just try and hang around like a maintenance to a little bit of a deficit,

like you'll have enough of a time that you're in somewhat of a surplus that you'll still get deficit. By the way, what you're looking for based off what you said, right, when you follow symmetry, it's not to hit PRs, but rather to use it in a correctional capacity, right?

To balance you out laterally so that you can go back to power lifting and hit new PRs. So a lot of that is central nervous system adaptation. Now I'm not gonna say that's not affected by calories but it's not like building muscle. So you can definitely strengthen and change central nervous system adaptations, how your muscles

fire together and still be in a cut. You can learn new skills and be in a cut is what I'm trying to say so it's totally fine. I still agree though that I would do a slight cut though. I wouldn't be aggressive. There's a part in my series where I talk about this in the YouTube series that I just did where it's just where I was explaining that in a 30 day, when you zoom out, you have times where, like how do we sometimes build muscle and lose body fat? Well, you're doing it at the exact same time,

is that there's periods of time in that week where my body's tipping over into anabolic, because it's got a little bit high on calories, and other times where it's really low, then it's catabolic. And as long as you're hovering around maintenance to a slight deficit, you're gonna have periods of time like that.

So that would probably be, I think, the best strategy where you would just kind of slowly lean out while you do it. Okay, yeah, I think that was my biggest question and so you kind of touched on it there, which was, you know, I've heard you guys talk a lot about how for the adaptation that you're seeking, it's so important to hit your protein, your calories. And that nuance,

I think is maybe where I was done clear of whether or not this adaptation process needs all the same stuff when it's not necessarily muscle, but like you said, it's kind of systemic for like the joints and the shoulders and things. That's right. Good question. Okay. And then I guess real quick out of that, I would want to know what you guys would do if you were training me. Quick maintenance to light cuff or something like asymmetry, jumping into anabolic after, does it make more sense then to probably go back into a slight surplus as being the next window or would you jump into an even deeper cut with a different style of a program before

another bulk? What would you do in your opinion? If your goal is to hit PRs, I would go back into a bulk. It really depends on that. After we get through symmetry in the slight deficit, if you were my client, it would really be about, oh, how do you feel? Are you as lean as you wanted to be? Did you want to get a little bit leaner? If we wanted to get a little bit leaner, we'd just roll into the next program doing kind of the same thing where we have this slight ... and you'll just keep leaning out. If you're like, oh yeah, I'm putting, I care, let's go get those PRs.

I want to see, then I'm gonna throw the calories up. So it really depends on how you feel after you go through symmetry and if you're happy with your leanness, if you now are wanting to get back to getting after the PRs, like yeah, then we're gonna kick calories back up because that's obviously gonna serve you to hitting the numbers. Okay, yeah, I think that sounds good. You got it. I'll run it. Thanks, man.

Okay, thank you guys. You rock, thanks for this opportunity. You got it, brother. Thank you. Yeah, a lot of correctional, I mean, okay, yes, correctional exercise will build muscle as well, but a lot of it is really just how muscles fire and stabilize, how you're able to control them.

And that's just skill, that's just literally teaching your body a new skill, and it's less important to be in a bulk to do that than it would be to add actual contractile tissue, to add actual muscle mass. So correctional exercise can definitely be done very effectively through a mild cut indefinite. And you said it well too. It's not that being in a surplus wouldn't be a benefit. It would obviously be beneficial and because you could

technically have some sort of imbalance muscular, muscle-wise. But you can do it still in a deficit because of what we're talking about. So, totally. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. Justin is at mind pump Justin. I'm at mind pump to Stefano Adams at mind pump. Thank you for listening to mind pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB super bundlepumpmedia.com. The RGB Super Bundle includes maps anabolic, maps performance, and maps aesthetic. Nine months of phased expert exercise programming

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