Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2500: Weird Performance Enhancing Supplements That Work With Jay Campbell

Episode Date: December 30, 2024

Jay Campbell Should you be concerned about your mitochondrial health? (1:05) Is NAD supplementing a waste of time? (3:58) The REAL benefits of creatine. (9:59) The truth behind ‘exercise in a bottle’. (13:08) Why Retatrutide will Forever Change Society. (21:40) The importance of having a trainer while on a GLP-1. (29:15) Why the genie is out of the bottle with peptides and bio-regulators. (33:01) The differences between peptides and pharmaceuticals. (39:50) What things can people take to heal themselves from multiple vaccines? (45:33) The peptide forefront. (49:55) The value of the struggle. (51:38) The latest bodybuilding stack. (54:34) Highlighting one of his exciting businesses. (1:04:55) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Luminose by Entera for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Promo code MPM at checkout for 10% off their order or 10% off their first month of a subscribe-and-save. ** December Promotion: MAPS Aesthetic | MAPS Symmetry 50% off! ** Code DECEMBER50 at checkout ** Harnessing NAD+ for Optimal Health, Performance, and Longevity with Dr. Jin-Xiong She Mind Pump #2497: The Amazing & Weird Side Effects of Creatine Exercise in a Pill? Breakthrough Mimics Workout Benefits Triple-Hormone-Receptor Agonist Retatrutide for Obesity Apeiron Zoh Center Building Muscle with Adam Schafer – Mind Pump TV BioLongevity Labs Brings Innovation to the Forefront at LongevityFest 2024 Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources Featured Guest/People Mentioned Jay Campbell (@jaycampbell333) Instagram Website Newsletter Signup - Jay Campbell Dr. Jin-Xiong She’s LinkedIn Profile  Ben Pakulski (@bpakfitness) Instagram Dr. William Seeds (@williamseedsmd) Instagram Jason Theobald (@jasontheobald_scoobyhealth) Instagram Dr. Tyna Moore (@drtyna) Instagram   Dr. Daniel Stickler, M.D. (@drdanielstickler) Instagram  

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Jay, welcome back to the show. Guys, it's an honor to be here, man. As always, I love you guys and grateful to be here. I love texting Jay. He's the peptide king. I call him the peptide king. And he's also one of my favorite people to talk to about everything, cutting edge, gray market,

because you're not held back. You'll tell me. Yeah, and you'll go straight down rabbit holes and just break things down. So I love talking to someone like you because you tend to talk about things that then five, 10 years later, people come out and say, hey, you know, this is the deal.

So let's start with, you hear a lot about mitochondrial health. You hear this in the quote unquote biohacking, now you're hearing it in the wellness space. Take this, do this, this is good for mitochondrial health, this will help your mitochondria. I want to start there with you, Jay. Is this an important place to look?

Is this something you should be concerned about, your mitochondrial health, and then if so, why? Yeah, again, first off, it's an honor to be here, guys. I love you guys, I'm grateful to be here. It's always awesome to talk to you. Happy holidays. Thank you. I know it's been a crazy year for a lot of different people.

Hopefully, as we get into 2025, things change, you know? Hope is in the air, hope is in the air. Well, we're waiting for the alien invasion. I'm sure that's coming. I got a bunker for that. We are staged, right? Yeah. But yeah, so mitochondrial health, I'm sure that's coming. I got a bunker for that. We are staged, right? But yeah, so mitochondrial health,

the mitochondria for those, and I go, your audience is super educated, but for people who don't know, the mitochondria, as we learned in, I think was 101 biology, are the powerhouse of the cells. So we like, as we age, to want to optimize our mitochondria so that our mitochondrial health is firing on all phases. We have good energy, we feel good about ourselves, we sleep well.

And so yeah, it's become a buzzword now, I think, in the biohacking space on optimizing our mitochondria. And there's a lot of ways to do it, right? Better sleep, you can use red light therapy. I'm a big proponent of medical grade red light therapy, as I've told you in the past. I think that there's a lot of red light devices out there.

I don't want to rabbit hole on this, but there's a lot of red light devices out there that are not doing as good a job as some of the other ones. But if you're in a really high quality medical grade red light device and you do it two or three times a week, and some people do it every day, if they have like autoimmune disease and stuff like that,

really is awesome. Again, always getting really good sleep, getting seven to eight hours of sleep a night. But if we go down the peptides and the bioregulators and even the supplement space now, we're in a complete golden age, Sal, of products that literally you can orally swallow, you can inject, you can put them on your skin,

that can help optimize the mitochondria. Now, nothing is gonna be optimized mitochondrial if you're not also doing all the things that you guys always talk about, right? Living insulin controlled, eating clean, getting enough sleep, doing proper resistance and cardiovascular exercise, but there's a lot of amazing things in the marketplace. Okay, so let's start with supplements.

The one I always hear about that's advertised for mitochondrial health is NAD. Sure. So what do you think of NAD supplements? Or do you think it's, are they a waste of time? Is it better to go IV, injectable? And as we go through these, Jay, tell me, because our audience is very privy to red light therapy. I mean, we've been talking about Juve for a very long time

and had them on the show. And so as we go through these supplements and you kind of explain to us, also give me an idea of like how they weigh against each other. You know what I'm saying? You're okay. Yeah, no, it's great question.

So NAD, I literally just did a podcast in Houston yesterday with a big hedge fund guy that wanted to talk about peptides and bioregulators. And we got deep into rabbit hole on NAD. And this is my pet theory. And obviously it's a little bit based on science. NAD is totally relevant to the individual person. Some people can use NAD supplements, IVs, injections, patches, and get amazing results, and other people get nothing.

And if you do an NAD test, and there is an actual test, Dr. Shi, I think you guys know who Dr. Shi is, he's like the Chinese expert. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So anyway, he's been on my podcast. Really, really smart, awesome guy. He was pushing me for like two years to like promote his product. And I was like, no dude, I don't feel it.

I've done the patches, I've injected it, I've done the IVs, blah, blah, blah. And I just don't get it. So he's like, well, I wanna get you on the test. And I was like, there's a test for NAD. He's like, yeah, it's really expensive, but I'll pay for it, blah, blah, blah. We'll do it, so whatever. So anyway, I tested, he's really expensive, but I'll pay for it, blah, blah, blah. We'll do it.

So whatever. So anyway, I tested, he'll say this. He'll admit it to you. I tested the highest of any person he's ever tested for NAD. So he was like, well, it makes sense. I'm like, I told you, I never felt it. But my wife, she loves NAD, right? She puts the patches on.

We have a guy, I forget his name, Dr. Roy Corth and Columbus, who makes his company, he's called Push Patch and he sends them to us and she wears them all the time. So the answer to your question is I think NAD is just relevant to a person's individual genetics I think some people are deficient in NAD just from a coenzyme standpoint or just from molecular standpoint They just don't have a lot of NAD production and then others like me can't can use NAD all day and feel nothing But to your question and comparing it to red light, I think IVs of NAD are great for people

who've traveled internationally or who are time-deficited or have circadian rhythm dysregulation. I think they're awesome, and you would do them maybe like once or twice a month in that capacity. But from a regular standpoint, for people that use them all the time, again, it just depends on if you're naturally deficient in an ad due to lifestyle The one thing that I will say that I've seen in a great number of people about NAD is like that fatter and more

Metabolically dysregulated you are the more you're gonna feel NAD optimization or supplementation because you don't have any NAD naturally And so like when you take a peptide like you guys are familiar with MOTC Right. Yep, and you give a heavier just metabolically dysregulated person MOTC. They are all like whoa, dude Like I feel all this energy. I want to go out and exercise which is great Right because we want to get them to exercise we want to get them to change our habits But in a leaner more insulin controlled more muscular metabolically fit people like us in this room, we're probably not going to feel it. I had a conversation with Ben Picholsky, I know you guys all love Ben, shout out to Ben,

BPAC about that a couple of years ago. He was like, you know, I never thought about that. But a lot of my heavier guys that I train or work with, they would always tell me they love it, you know, and I could never really feel it when I was using a Motzi. I was like, well, that's the reason. And so he was like, oh, you know what? That makes a lot of sense. But there are outliers, there are people that are fit who do use Motzi and do feel well.

And I know Seeds loves it. There's a lot of people that love Motzi. But again, I think it just comes down to the individual person. This makes so much sense. Especially talking about the NAD and my personal experience, because we've done quite a few, I've done,

we have done IV, we've done all the push Yeah. I actually felt the most from the push patch. Now, what now hearing what you're explaining and so far almost nothing is I've really felt. So I've never been a big fan of it. And that makes sense because I'm probably healthier. And the time that I felt the push patch was coming off of being sick. Exactly. So that actually, I was like, Oh, I do feel this. This does feel much better.

And my wife, she has used it several times and she loves it, she feels it. But all the other times I'd done it, I'd be like, this doesn't really feel like it. And I was so excited to do the IV because I figured that that would be the best. Notice nothing. We'd all notice nothing. We all got hooked up. We did it. We're like, yeah.

So NAD and glutathione in an IV when you're depressed, when your nervous system is depressed, like, you know, and if you go out and you tie one on or whatever and you just completely shoot your central nervous system in the foot, you'll feel a lot because again, it's just up-regulating your mitochondria. I mean, it's like a ramjet of energy, but again, for fit people, we just don't notice it.

It's more- It makes so much sense now. It reminds me of having a nutrient deficiency and then taking that nutrient, like vitamin D. And all of a sudden, boom. Yeah, if you're deficient in vitamin D, you take vitamin D, it's life changing. If you're not deficient, you're not gonna feel anything. That's like magnesium, right?

That's how that is for a lot of people too. Like that was like life changing for me to get my magnesium on point because I was so deficient in it. So that makes a lot of sense. So is NAD or glutathione, for example, I have injectable glutathione and I only use it if I drink alcohol

or I do anything that is gonna strain or stress my liver. Would that be, okay, so would that also be a good time to use something like NAD like you said? 100%, 100%, yeah, because it's just gonna supercharge and fire them on. That's all it's gonna do. And again, if you're heavy and dysregulated and you're starting a program,

maybe you're somebody in the audience listening to you guys who's not as fit and wants to get fit. I think it's a great supplement. So we didn't talk about that. We're talking about peptides, injectables and IVs, but there is a supplement. She makes a supplement. And again, I don't promote it. I know you guys don't promote it, but it's a really amazing powder. And I forget the name of it or whatever, but it's out there and people can supplement with that. So I mean, I really do think it's really good. And does he use a precursor to NAD in that? It's a precursor in his supplement actually.

It's a powder with it in it. But I think it's a great supplement for people who are not otherwise healthy and probably have some weight to lose to throw in as an adjunct when they're attempting to get fit because again, it will give them energy. Whenever somebody asks me about mitochondrial health, I always point to kratene.

I always point to kine. I always point to creatine because generally speaking, it's extremely safe, increases the amount of ATP, which fuels your cells. I said this 10 years ago on our podcast, how I predicted that creatine would be the longevity supplement. And now we're starting to see that. What are you seeing with creatine?

That's 100% true. It's so crazy we're talking about creatine because today on X there's a massive Twitter thread going around about creatine. Because now the tech bros love it for the brain health. So we all know that creatine does the ATP and helps with glycogen restoration and repletion and all that stuff.

But the real benefit of creatine is brain health. Because so many people are deficient. And oh by the way, if you're a vegan, shout out to all of our vegan friends, they're not getting any creatine. No. They'll feel the most. So they have to take creatine. So you need five milligrams at a minimum if you're vegan or if you're just not eating

any kind of red meat daily to maximize brain health. But there's no question that you can take higher dosages of creatine. It's just, again, depending on how fast of a responder you are to it, whether you're gonna pee it out or not, you know, cause remember back in the old days, they'd be like, oh, it took 25. Yeah, load you for loading phase. The only thing we loaded up was the pockets

of the supplement company that were selling that, you know, you gotta put grape juice, you know. Get your insulin to spike, take the creatine. We'll shuttle it. Yeah, we're loading protocols, right? Yeah, take it all out. 25 grams today, and 24. insulin despite you know it's interesting on that is if you look at the clock like when they do studies on IQ and creatine vegans show a boost in IQ from taking creating yeah because they have zero creatine in their diet their body has to synthesize it through the amino acids they're consumed which

is probably also low so they're just not getting enough across. Also helps with methylation, right? Dr. Seed said probably one of the best supplements because it spares the methylation process, allows it to happen to the places. I think every person, to a man or woman, should be on five milligrams a day. I mean, I'm sorry, five grams a day.

You should literally take five grams a day. I mean, if it's in a supplement, a powder or capsules. I mean, again, it really comes down to the person, you know, like hell, you know, we're 10 of, are you to take supplements? You know, because that's the other thing. And you guys, I don't want to rabbit hole again, but like a lot of people just forget to take supplements. That's right. Oh yeah. That's why we think the new trend of the gummi supplement is so brilliant because they'll eat them. They'll eat them and they'll take them, which is the biggest challenge. I read a study once that showed that people

are more consistent with giving their pets their meds than taking them. My wife puts little packets of when she goes away. She has literally little plastic bags for her too. My little rat dog and my pit bull. This is morning and this is night. And my two daughters and me, she literally calls us at the end of the day

and is like, did they get their vitamins? I'm like, did you take yours, baby? Yeah. I've said that creatine's probably the best fat burning supplement there is through the indirect process of building muscle. How do you feel about positioning it that way? I mean, I think it's great.

I mean, I think just the final say-all and be-all on creatine is get yourself five grams of it a day, and If you're not, you're going to be deficient in something and you're not going to have the effects that you get from people that use it. All right. Let's get fun now with some of these peptides. I brought up an article, I want to say maybe six months to a year ago, they said it was the peptide that it was an exercise mimic. You take this peptide and what they found in these animal studies

was it essentially started causing adaptations in the animals that you would see from exercise, except they weren't exercising. And the result was they had more stamina, more endurance, they saw some fat loss, and some strength gain, some muscle gain. And so the title of the article was, exercise in a bottle or something like that. And I brought it up, we it like this is so crazy or whatever anyway fast forward six months later I'm like, wait a minute, is this the one that I talked about a while ago? And sure enough it was. All right, what is this?

What is this, Petron? Okay, so it's everything you just said it is. It's basically an estrogen antagonist slash agonist. And when people hear that, they freak out. They're like, oh, is it going to attach to my receptors and like increase or decrease my estrogen? No, it has nothing to do with that. It basically just helps with, it's another mitochondrial optimizer in the way that it works cellularly, but all the things that you said it does, again, so personally, I've been using Sloop now since the end of July.

I started with the company that was the first company in the marketplace to have it, which is Amino Asylum, which are some bodybuilding bros in Northern Kentucky, I think, or Lexington, Kentucky, somewhere in that area. And they had a liquid version of it. And then my business partner, Hunter Williams, shout out to Hunter, he started using it first and told me, he's like, bro, this is insane shit.

I'm like, no way, I'm like, send us a science about it. And so of course, everybody reads that article that you talked about, because it was done at the University of Florida. And so I started reading them, I was like, why is there not more about this in the science? Why is this not out there? Then I looked at the patents of Florida. And so I started reading them. I was like, why is there not more about this in the science? Why is this not out there? Then I looked at the patents database and it was like,

there's like 11 people that hold the patent to it. And it was from 2014, but there's no supplements. So I'm like, what's going on? So anyway, I started using it on myself and I was like, oh my God, I mean, you definitely notice in the very, very first time that you take it within 24 hours, you sweat more. So in your cardio or your training,

you're gonna sweat more, you're noticeably gonna sweat more. And again it's energy exchange right? You're turning on your mitochondrial and then over time I mean again it sounds like a wonder supplement and your audience is probably gonna freak out but for the people in the audience that are using it because there aren't a lot of people already using it they're gonna be like no he's not bullshit. And this is all gray market you can't get it. It's totally gray market. You can't get this from a doctor. It's a research chemical.

Okay, thank you. But here's the thing, it's patented as an obesagen. So it's technically a medically approved drug, which is not in the market yet. So why? Dude, I have no idea. You know what, that worries me. That's the thing, in the studies,

and again, rat studies, but now we have people studies. We have bodybuilders that have been on this for a year, and I'm'm talking to them and there's, I'm telling you, I'm not joking when I say this, it's in the studies with rats, it's kidney protective, it's heart protective, there's been no known side effects in the side effect. The side effects that were known in the rats were literally at a 400 times qualified dose of what people are using right now and that's even if you were taking two milligrams a day and And as you know, like in the bottles and the research chemical companies and the people like I that are selling them, it's 250 micrograms in a capsule. So I've known people now on it, like I said, for six months,

bodybuilders for close to a year, because it was already in the marketplace evidently in January, which I didn't know, who have had no side effects. And every single one of these people have had insane physique transformations. Like, I mean, like literally, bro bodybuilders who never, ever diet, they're like, who have had no side effects, and every single one of these people have had insane physique transformations. Like, I mean, like literally, bro bodybuilders who never ever diet, right, who've lost like seven to eight percent body fat in four months, just using 500 micrograms to a

thousand micrograms. Let's back up for a second. Okay, so you were talking about this increases sweating, it can speed up the metabolism, but is this causing, for lack of a better term, inefficiencies with energy? In other words, energy leaks through heat and through, okay. Is that what we think? So, I mean, who knows? Theoretically, yes. Theoretically, yes.

You sweat more. What I can tell you this is there's no elevation of heart rate, it does not disturb sleep at all. Everyone that uses it notices an increased sweating, but they also notice increased firepower. So it's definitely giving you more, and again, mitochondrial, it's supercharging your mitochondria, you can lift more.

You have more explosive. Your one RM is increasing. Does your core temperature raise at all? No, it doesn't. It's crazy. Now some people have noticed, and again, this is more from the fat loss and the sweating. Some people have noticed their HRV might move around a little bit at night when they're really, really tracking it. But that's mostly, again, from the people that I've talked to,

that's mostly in people who are not fit. So if you're not as fit, but you see that with people on GLPs, right? Like if they're taking true apatide, if they're taking runny true tide, or they're taking some aglutide, of course it's gonna change that. But that's also, and again, Seed's talks about this, Dr. Tinnen talks about this, that's because they're losing body fat. Right, so their core metabolism is increasing.

So their HRV is going to change. It's going to be, it's gonna move around. It's not a bad thing, because they're obviously reaching a new set point by losing body fat. And this was a peptide that they found that was released through exercise. That. And this was a peptide that they found that was released through exercise.

That's how they found this peptide. So this is a byproduct of exercise that seems to be a signaller. Like okay, you exercise, the peptide now sends, you get sent out telling your body time to adapt. That's the theory. We sent out an email today, and again, this is just from a section of people that are

in my inner circle and audience, which are obviously in your circle and audience who have been using it. And they're saying it's a bulking peptide too because again, it's massively allowing for glycogen repletion and it's allowing you to piss out the excess sugar calories that you wouldn't, that you would have normally stored for probably or deposited as body fat. So you can take 1500 micrograms to 2 milligrams a day and eat, you know, say a caloric surplus of 1500, 1000 or whatever it is you're tuned into gain weight, and you probably won't gain that much body fat. Again, I in the last month have taken my dosage from I was doing 500 micrograms to 1000.

I've now up to 1500 or 2000, depending on if I'm traveling, if I remember to take my evening dosage, and I've gotten stronger. I'm still super lean. My diet has been absolutely shit the last five weeks because I've been traveling back and forth across the country and I don't have my prep meals and just, you know how it is when you're traveling so much. Any other effects? Cognitive, anything with mood or energy?

My energy is insane. Well, you're always hyper. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. I mean, yes, no, no. No, no, no. I mean, yes, I have obviously a very positive energetic drive through, you know, tests, therapeutic testosterone and stuff,

but I just have more energy at different times of the day. I'm not as tired later in the afternoon. I just, there's a lot of things that's probably doing indirectly that I'm not really countering, and I will also tell you this, it has a sexual effect. So you're definitely more energized when you're in the middle of the deed.

So no estrogenic? No. Because it's an antagonist of the estrogen receptor. I've had my blood drawn three times. One, because I was in a tracking thing with another person and we were just measuring stuff, and then twice just to see if it had done anything. I've had absolutely zero negative effects.

My estrogen has stayed somewhere between 55 and 70, which is where I usually keep it. No, I mean, I've seen, like I said, I've seen nothing. And if anything, and this maybe gets into the GLP conversation when we get there, all my biomarkers are improving. And I know Dr. Tino was telling you guys that, that she sees that in her patients,

seeds of seeing that in their patients. I mean, to just extrapolate, we're kind of like on the frontier of a giant golden age in optimization. Because all these drugs, we're also used to drugs with side effects that are negative, right? Like the big pharma, allopathic,

Rockefeller, petroleum district drugs. Now we have GLPs and all they're doing for people who are otherwise healthy is improving biomarkers, improving HDL, improving APO, APO-B, basically blood lipids, small particles, all that stuff is improving. My blood work in the last 12 months since I started using trisapatite in a microdose and now retitrutide, and I want to go deep on retitrutide if we can today, it's profound. I sent you that study, right? So they just measured redetrutide versus semaglutide versus terzapatide.

And you guys, redetrutide is the most amazing drug in the history of man. It's not even available yet, but it is a Lilly drug. Is it a triple agon? Is it a triple agon. Oh, it's just the one that at Seed Conference that we're talking about? Yeah, so I was at the peptide congress.

So I spoke at the peptide congress, and there was a doctor that went up and talked about I remember when Sal came out of that, you wouldn't listen to it by yourself and he came out like so, oh my god. Well, okay, so let me tell you from my standpoint, right? From a trainer coach standpoint, right? I see what's happening with GLP1s. I'm like, okay, oh, it looks like if you just go on one, you eat less, you lose some muscle

if you don't let strength train, don't eat your protein, whatever. I'm like, it's just, I think the effects are just coming from calorie deficit. It's just making you eat less, so all those effects are coming from a calorie deficit. Boom, they bring up the study, controlled, and they're showing this peptide, this GLP-1, this tribolagonist, and they're like, no,

we actually compared them against another group in a calorie deficit, same calorie deficit, they lost less muscle and more body fat. So it also has this kind of muscle sparing effect. And then when they went off, when everybody went off, they gained weight much slower than the group that just... I'm not lying when I say this. Retatrutide is a miracle drug. It's anabolic. That's crazy. It will change bodybuilding.

It will change bodybuilding. How can it be catabolic and anabolic at the same time same time literally will change bodybuilding. So what's happening? Exactly, so Jason you guys know Jason Theobald scooby-health. No, I'll connect you with him. He's awesome He knows more you would he you definitely need to bring him on the show because he can talk at the highest levels about Bodybuilding competitive bodybuilding and what's really going on behind the scenes. He's like the, he is a master chemist. Are the GLP-1s going to the bodybuilding space? You see them? Oh my god, they're all using it.

Bodybuilders using it. So dude, so he told me, and by the way, his physique is, I mean, he's world class. He just competed in like the masters. He's like a 51 year old guy and he looks insane. But he, so I got him to start using retinotrutide because he was using a microdose of turzapetide and he was like, this is incredible. I'm like, bro, you don't know anything yet. I'm like, I'm telling you, retinotrutide because he was using a microdose of turzapetide and he was like, this is incredible.

I'm like, bro, you don't know anything yet. I'm like, I'm telling you, retinotrutide is anabolic. He's like, bullshit, blah, blah, blah, there's no way. He started using it and he's like, fuck. I was like, I don't know how this is anabolic, but you just nailed it, dude. Like, that's why. It's improving insulin sensitivity so much

that any food that you eat is literally, if you're lean, is literally being converted or helping to build skeletal muscle. It's insane. There's nothing like. A lot of people don't realize this about insulin. It's actually, some people would argue the most anabolic hormone.

Yes, of course. It's not arguable. It is the most anabolic hormone. That's why bodybuilders use insulin, you know, before workout, after workout. They take two, three, four IUs of insulin and shuttle glucose into the muscles. But here's the crazy thing. Like, as workout, they take two, three, four IUs of insulin and shuttle glucose into the muscles.

But here's the crazy thing, like, as awesome as Roto-True-Tide is, and by the way, I know this for a fact because I just had a conversation this week with the biggest peptide attorney in the world who doesn't like to have his name used, but he's like involved in all the suits. He represents Big Pharma, he represents the compounders, and he told me that what is in the pipeline that people don't even know about is gonna change everything,

because there's five stage agonists. There's anti-catabolic is the fourth, and fifth is, I forget what he told me. Holy cow. No, it's completely world-changing. You literally will be able to give people these drugs now, and as long as they eat clean, you can turn them into Hulk. I mean, it's like, it won't be believable by much.

The superhero serum, right? But I'm telling you, right now, retichrutide, if it's used correctly, is a superhero metahuman-forming product. I mean, you will literally not gain fat. I mean, again, you're not in a caloric deficit or an appetite appetite suppressive effect as strong as trisapid is,

but because it's turning on your metabolism, it's making you eat more. So fitter, leaner people who use this in a microdose, same way, daily or every other day, again, you pick how you wanna do it, are seeing the most insane physique transformation. Sounds like to me, because one of the things I see happening right now

is a lot of people things I see happening right now is a lot of people that I wouldn't technically recommend for a GLP one, I'm taking GLP ones. I just want to lose a little five or 10 pounds, get a little leaner. It sounds like this. This is the drug for that. Yeah, this is the one.

And, and you guys already know this, it eliminates food noise. What we're not talking about is That is the trippiest part of it. All the amazing things about these drugs, which again, I know seeds in time. I've talked about this is the reality that it changes brainwave pattern. Yeah. And as you said, it's permanent. People who come off these drugs again in micro dose, this is not talking about people who are, you know, abusing these.

And again, just call it quack doctors who write scripts of six to eight to 10 to 12 to 15 milligrams of these things a week. I mean, we're talking about, so people know what we're talking about. A microdose of runitrutide is literally like.05, I'm sorry,.15 to.3 milligrams. It's nothing. It's like-

It's a drop. Exactly. You know, people are always asking, how much water do I put in the vial? You know, it's like, dude, it doesn't matter. Work backwards. Like, what is your dose, right? You know, it doesn't matter if it's a five milligram, 10 milligram, but they're so life changing and game changing.

And that's what blows me away is that when people come off of them, they don't have the same bad habits. They don't want to start eating crap and food any. Let's do some speculation here, Jay. So because it's affecting, it seems to affect across the board kind of hedonistic processing of the brain because you are seeing... Right, excessive compulsive stuff. Yeah, you are seeing it affect people with alcohol, cigarette smoking, sex addiction.

So interesting, right? It's not just food. You're hearing lots of reports. I don't know if another study is going on now about that. Is there any, let's speculate, can you see any potential negatives that this may cause issues with pleasure, with pleasure processing, with who knows? I mean, who knows? It's possible.

I mean, I would say the negative effects are definitely heightened if you're not living a clean lifestyle when you're taking these drugs. Because again, like you were saying, or all these things. So again, it's not a panacea. Just take this as nothing. Exactly. They think they can get away by abusing food still, eating too much.

Oh, I'm not going to eat as much because it won't let me, and so I'll just continue to live like a heathen or eat like crap and blah, blah, blah. Not live in total control. So I think that's where the risk factors are, and that's where the Dr. Hyman's and Peter Atiyah's of the world, you know, glom on and say, oh, these drugs are dangerous and blah blah blah, and they're causing muscle loss.

And you said it earlier, if you don't, and I know I'm sure Seed's and Dr. T and I talked about this, but if you don't eat enough protein, and you don't deal bone-bearing resistance training, you will have muscle loss. But that's just how profound these drugs are. And when you start getting into the triple stage, quadruple stage, and even longer, bigger agonists,

you're gonna have even more of that because they're increasing metabolism. When I first started using Rettutrutide, which was in August of last year, we had no idea how to dose it. It was like the studies in obese insulin resistant people were taking like six milligrams a week. So I was like, I'll take, this is a true story guys.

I took three milligrams just to see what would happen. And you get nauseous, what happens? No, there's, it doesn't cause nausea, but it, dude, I'm not kidding you. My appetite went through the roof. You got hungrier? I went crazy. And then I started telling people, I'm like, there's my appetite went through the roof. You got hungry? It went crazy. And then I started telling people, I'm like, there's no way insulin resistant fat people

can take this because they're going to want to eat all the time. But the reality was is the dose was way too high. It was way too high. So I actually kind of threw it off. Or what we were telling people was like, oh, if you're going to take this, you also have to use Terse Appetite for the appetite suppressing effects. Because we all felt that. We all know what that's like

But it was just too high of a dose And so it's like the typical big pharma right like it's start high go higher how we make money Versus the Dan Duchenne start low go slow I actually think that's the biggest even the of course we know the the potential muscle loss with the GLP ones if to the point You just made if you don't work out you don't even have protein But I think the biggest problem is the dosing. You still have these big companies. Like almost every... we just did a thing. I don't know if you knew this or not, but we took a group of 55 people through a GLP-1. So we did

a whole GLP-1 course. We coached them. We did live Zoom calls once a week with them. And it was really interesting to see. And I would say 90 plus percent of anybody with a challenge was the people that were just, could not eat because they are taking, crushed their. Yeah, it's like completely. Their calories were low, they lost their initial 20 pounds or whatever, but now they're eating a thousand calories a day,

can't lose any more weight. We actually had to reverse diet people in that group quite often to get them to kind of build their metabolism. And we had to send them back to their doctor, because we're not doctors, to tell them to lower their dose. Just play one on the internet guys. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But that's what, I mean, literally what I realized, and I've had family and friends that have tried it, been like, oh my God, it was too much for me, I got nauseous, I'm like, well, that's because you started this dose. You should have started with a microdose and slowly gone up and then I bet you would not

have had any of those issues. By the way, Adam, that's only with the compound pharmacies. When you get the prescription, That's what I mean. Like the brand name stuff, Yeah, yeah. It comes in, You click it, your dose is the mastos.

That's the biggest problem, I think. And those are the biggest companies that are, that's all the big ones. So I do think a lot of the noise that we hear out there of the negative effects are closely correlated with the dosage. Of course it is. And if you actually started everybody on a very low dose

and slowly cut them up, I bet you would eliminate 80% of the negative stuff that you hear about it out there. I'd say 90, and you would have none of the side effects. Because if you were coaching them like you guys were doing with a cohort, they couldn't fail. They're eating enough protein, they're training with weights. That's where people fail.

And again, I've said this on a number of podcasts, not your guys yet, but this is why it doesn't work. If you're a fat person and you're metabotically dysregulated and you start on two milligrams or five milligrams, unfortunately, of say, semaglutide or trisapatite, and you stop eating, you see the weight drop off in the first two weeks and you're like, this is a fucking miracle. And so you're so happy and you're so excited, but you don't have us coaching you and all of a sudden, three weeks later, your thyroid breaks, you can't process calories anymore

I mean, it's like you're a nightmare you become metabolic emergency And then it's like you get you you go to the airwaves or your doctor and you tell everybody how shitty it is And that's what's happened because so many people were not coached on how to do these but you're Adam you're 1,000 million percent right it was always about the dose and you know again Tim Ferris the difference between a pill and a poison is Always the dosage. Yeah, you know, along those lines, because when the GLP ones first started kind of creating some noise, you had a lot of people in the fitness industry that were panicking.

Like, oh, why is anybody gonna want to work with a trainer? Why is anyone? Exactly. Now we think it's the complete opposite. Of course. I think this is going to increase the interest in working with a coach or a trainer. Are you seeing that? Almost mandates it. It almost mandates it. If you do not have an intelligent person now coaching you and guiding you, you are headed for catastrophic failure. Yeah. Like I mean you guys already know, I mean

you guys have been in this game a long time. I mean like if you have thyroid destruction and total like metabolic you know just call it disruption after that. I mean, these people, they can't lose weight no matter what they do, no matter how far they diet down, how far you lower their calories, how much you reverse diet them. I mean, they've got severe metabolic issues, and so you can avoid that by doing what we're talking about,

which is microdosing them and then having them follow the right protocol. What does it look like in the compounding space with this? Because once this started to explode, I said, oh, they're going to try and figure out how to get the generics off the market so that they can capture. This is a huge, and we're talking about potentially

the largest revenue producer, period, and a story of all time, because of its effect on obesity, diabetes, maybe its effect on autoimmune issues, and other, but I'm like you can go to compound, you can go through compound pharmacy and get it for a fraction. What are you seeing on that front? Are they are they trying to go after them? So it's a good question as I told you guys I just talked to like one of the biggest attorneys in the peptide space and he works for the compounders. He also represents sometimes in the peptide space and he works for the compounders. He also represents sometimes, you know, individual doctors or clinicians that are, you know,

sued based on their prescribing of GLP-1s. He doesn't know. He said that right now the peptide space and the compounding space is as clear as mud. That was his exactly quote. It's like Wild Wild West right now. Total Wild Wild West. You've got compounders, major compounders,

suing the FDA and winning. You've got the FDA attempting, as you guys know, what they did in September of last year. Again, all this happened right after I left you guys. It was like a month and a half later when I saw you guys. They classified 27 peptides as what is considered class two, which means potentially, not unsafe, potentially unsafe. And not studied.

BPC was on there. I know, how was BPC on there? All of the peptides that actually worked, that we all know and love,PC was on there. All the peptides that actually work that we all know and love were classified in there. And then they've quote unquote, I just found this out. I didn't even know I found this out last week. They've expanded that now where they removed BPC oral capsules and said there's some clinical benefit in that, which is kind of LOL. Because we all know that injectable BPC works better than that. But I don't know. I think the question is, or I think the comment is, it's to be determined. We definitely know that RFK is talking about peptides.

I mean, that's like his buzzword in all of his tweets. He's like, I want to withdraw or roll back some of the FDA's restrictions on peptides and supplements and amino acids and all these things. I mean, I've saved that Twitter quote, you know, it's like on my desktop because I'm like, oh, wow, you know, maybe somebody, people like us, yeah. But I mean, who really knows? I just know this, like I've said this before and I'll say it again, the genie is out of the bottle with peptides and bioregulators. You can't restrict them. When there's a will, there's a way. When there's a demand, there's a consumer. And there will be people that will find them. And again, like you said, I mean, the research chemical companies, because I just asked this guy this question, literally,

we had this call on Monday. And I said, what was the exact volume of research chemical peptide sales last year in comparison to GOP1s? And he laughed and he said, it's funny you asked me that because I had to actually do that math in the entire world. There was over 270, I mean, it's chump change. This is like big pharma, uh, couch seat money, 275 million all all told worldwide in research, uh, peptide chemical sales in 2023 in, in Monjaro sales alone it was five billion just Monjaro just Monjaro semaglutides bigger than Monjaro he didn't even know that number so the

reality is that they don't they're looking at it like it like it's like you're not worried they don't care big pharma is like you said they want everything in pens they want everything controlled they want the compounders to not be able to make the generic you know byproducts because you said, they want everything in pens, they want everything controlled, they want the compounders to not be able to make the generic, you know, byproducts because you know what they were doing, right? They were taking terzapatite and then like changing a signaling molecule and making it terzapatite ha or amidate or whatever, right? So they were like, oh, it doesn't violate the patent. But the Lilly patent attorneys, which obviously makes Manjaro, they caught on to this and so they sent cease and desist letters to everybody in the industry. Research chemical companies like Limitless, Peptide Sciences got it, and so did all the

compounders. They all got it. And so it was like, if we know or we find out that you're making this and you're violating the quote unquote patent of Manjaro, which owns the marketplace, then we're going to come after you. They haven't come after them yet. They did send the cease and desist letters. Most of the smarter people stop making, you know, call it generic turzapotite because that's the one thing you don't want, right? If they do come

after you, and I've seen this with my friends in the compounding space, if you break a cease and desist and continue to sell it, they'll come after you a second time, but guess what they end up doing? The IRS comes after you. And the IRS figures out how much you sold illegally, not violating the patent, and comes after you for that. So it's like, and believe me, this is how smart the compounders are. I mean, I'm not the compounders, but Big Pharma is,

they know how much is actually in circulation from a raw material standpoint, because they own the patent of the materials so they can calculate how much that individual compound. What a game. Yes can you imagine. And what you just mentioned by the way is interesting with the peptides because they took BPC and they put the cease and desist out there and so then with the pep what the compound pharmacies did is they created pentadeca-argonite, which is BPC with an arginine molecule attached to it.

And that's what they're all doing, but I'm telling you, Lilly. That's what I'm using right now, is pentadeca-argonite. Lilly has caught on to what people are doing, again, in the GLP-1 space, and if you're trying to sell Terzapatite as a compounder or as a research chemical company, you're definitely, you're walking on hot coals because it's definitely, it's definitely very

risky. Now again, the, the high level, the 503B and the 503A and the 503C compound pharmacies who say, oh, I paid all this money and you know, paid, walked all the steps I had to do for the FDA to give me the ability to sell this. They'll still scream and say, I can sell this. And then if you guys remember last year, there was like that emergency use case where they ran out of Monjaro and so they were allowing them to sell it.

But now they've overruled that. That was as of October of this year. So it's like, again, technically, if you're selling Trisapatide and you're a research chemical company or a compounder, you better be selling the format, I mean, the patented format of Monjaro and you may better be doing it

through their chain of command. If you're not, you're basically breaking the wall. But who's enforcing it, right? Again, talk to an attorney, talk to any of the smart attorneys. They're gonna say they don't even have at the FDA right now the actual means to enforce because there's so many compounders selling it

and so many research chemical companies selling it. I think guys, honestly, I mean, you know, I think when it comes to you know I think when it comes to shove I think reality is like don't kill anybody. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Don't kill anybody. Don't be too noisy. And peptides as we know don't kill people. You know there's nothing out there in the peptide space that you can over inject that is gonna kill you. I mean they just don't do that. They're organic molecules. They're signaling molecules. So you know that's what I think most of the people in the compounding and the research chemical space go by is just

the reality that like, hey, we're not going to kill anybody and we're mostly helping people. Why? So what? So you just said something. Why? Why are pep? Why is is why are peptides so interesting? And why are they so different from pharmaceuticals or traditional drugs? Yeah, so I mean, it's very simple answer. They, they absolutely treat the fundamental root cause of whatever is the illness, the disease, or the dysregulation is versus big pharma medications. When they break down in the system, their petroleum distillate, they cause side effects. Then those side effects can break down other things in other systems. So you have issues. Whereas with peptides, you don't have that. If we start talking about bioregulators where it

gets really crazy, they're tissue specific. Right? So you can take an oral, which is by the way, it's so weird in the United States right now, a bioregulator is a supplement. Grass can, you know, classifies them as a supplement. So there's nothing illegal about selling bioregulators, but. And are they still peptides by the way? Yeah, I mean, they're technically peptides, but they're, you know, the patents are in Russia.

It's Dr. Victor Cavinson, and they work a little bit different in that they actually are targeting biological system or organ systems. So it's like there's a peptide, I mean a bioregulator for the heart, there's a bioregulator for the kidneys, there's a bioregulator for the thymus gland,

there's a bioregulator for pretty much every organ or biological system in the body, and they work specifically. I was gonna say, so taking a bioregulator gets that organ to operate better. Exactly. It's optimizing all of the organs itself. So if you're an aging man or a woman,

like my wife right now is doing an ovary bioregulator. And she's 53 and going through perimenopause, like all 53 year old women, but she's like in her 20s, you know what I'm saying? And that's 53 and going through perimenopause, like all 53-year-old women, but she's in her 20s. You know what I'm saying? And that's because of that. And she's talking to a lot of different women that are in their 50s and stuff that are using these two,

and they're all having the same effect. So they're really positive, and I would say even mind-boggling, but we don't even know yet in the United States how profound they could be, because there's almost no one using them. And even more so, being the science guy that you are, there's very little information unless you can read Russian manuals and Russian

peer review, because they've been using Russia for 65 years. 65, 65 years since like the forties. Yes. You know, they remind me of glanular, glanular. Remind me like, yeah, glanular will sell that way. Right? Like this is for the thymus, but this is different. These are, these are incredible. I mean, like I tell guys,

like if you're 45 or older, you should be taking libidon, which is the prostate bioregulator and doing two 10 day courses a year because it literally goes to work shrinking the prostate gland. It's incredible. Have you tried it? I have. Yes. And I absolutely, so I'm very open about this. I've had a prostate issue. My PSA is like negligible, but I've always had where I'd have to wake up at least once to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night,

and sometimes twice. Since I started taking that, it's once and sometimes none. Okay. So it definitely is working on shrinking the prostate gland. But again, and you guys aren't this old yet, but once you're in your 50s and you're a man, you're dealing with prostate hypertrophy. It's impossible to go away with it.

Everybody, everybody. It's 100% universal. So it's like, if you're waking up two or three times to piss in the middle of the night versus once, that's gonna disturb your sleep. So it's a big issue. So these things have a lot of therapeutic benefit when used correctly.

And the craziest part about them is, there's other ones that I'm finding out, you know know that the Russians haven't even brought into the United States market So there's like three or four different Bioregulators for the prostate but the one that we all know about that's flooding the United States market is called Libidon And I've used it. I've used it like I've done four courses of it in two years Have you what about have you tried any other bioregulators? I have so I've used like six of them Penielon which is for The pineal gland dude what are you supposed to get from that? Is insane? Yeah, so if you're a meditator or you get deep, you know into stillness or silence

Or you just like to sit in nature with you know, nothing going on man. You can get into the zone way faster on wait speaking of the pineal gland we just Space be laugh because conspiracy theorists are like They just came out said said, oh yeah, fluoride lowers people's IQs. Did it really build up in the, does it really calcify or build up in the pineal gland? I mean, I would say that it does.

I don't know how hard, it would be very difficult to scientifically prove it, but I definitely know that using fluoride-based toothpaste or fluoride-based rinses or something like that definitely dumps people down. There's a lot of hidden studies that have been going on since like the 20s and 30s that of course obviously big pharma and the medical establishment suppresses. I mean you guys already know this because we don't do this but I mean like if you're somebody that doesn't have the resources to drink like filtered water or bottled water or whatever it

is like and you're drinking water out of a tap out of a major city you're definitely behind or whatever it is, like, and you're drinking water out of a tap out of a major city, you're definitely behind the eight ball, right? And I would say, I mean, I would say there's other ways they have, you know, in doing this, and it's not really conspiracy theory because there's science out there, it's just suppressed, you can't find it, but I would say that it definitely slows,

it delays reaction, it delays timing. I think a lot of, and again, I mean, it makes sense, right? Like poverty-stricken people or people, you know, in lower socioeconomic conditions, you know, have to drink water out of the sink. And I mean, there's reasons why they don't do as well as people who don't drink water out of the sink, you know? So there's a lot in there.

Why did they put the Florida in their first place? Was it a great, easy way to get rid of it? No, it's no, no, no. Um, I mean, dude, there's a lot of stories about like how it improves tooth enamel. Yeah. So they just, that was the big selling point stories about like how it improves tooth enamel. Yeah, so The big selling point was everybody should take it. Yeah, I mean there's there's a massive study that was just released that obviously that now Is making it illegal to have fluoride, you know in a lot of different states

The states are passing stuff But I mean if you look deep into that research you'll see that it definitely is dumbing people down It's doing a lot of crazy stuff. Yeah I mean we had lead everywhere. They had to get rid of, and the whole, like in gasoline, they found that like it was dumbing down society. Oh yeah, that's why they, that's the way, unleaded. All right. So let's, uh, let's talk about, um, we're now what? Four years past, uh, the, the height of COVID, uh, looking back now we could see just all the insanity

that happened. It's insane. Last time I looked, I think only 12 or 16% of people now get the COVID vaccine. Everybody's like, yeah, I don't wanna touch that type of deal. Yeah. Are there things people can do or take after they've gotten the vaccine?

They got it and they're like, you know, I might notice some issues or whatever. Yes. Are there things they can do to help their body? Heal injuries from it or any potential issue? Yeah, no, 100%. So the number one thing a person can do who's been multiple, let's just call it multiveed and multibeed, is start living insulin controlled, right?

Because the spike protein, which is again, scientifically evident now, does leech. It does cause cellular damage. It does cause potential autoimmune disease. So what's really happening and what we're seeing is, you guys all know this, like America is obese, America is unhealthy, America is insulin resistant. The VAX just makes all of those things amplified. So if you're not changing your habits, you're not listening to MindPump, you're not listening to Jay Campbell, you're not living insulin controlled, you're not exercising, you're not doing resistance training, you're not eating enough protein, blah, blah, blah, you're not using GLP-1're not exercising, you're not doing resistance training, you're not eating enough protein, blah, blah, blah. You're not using GLP-1 peptides,

hopefully if you have fat loss problems. The Vax, if you got it, is just making your life even worse. So how you can heal yourself is obviously, first off, become insulin sensitive, start living insulin controlled. I think when I say live insulin controlled, I think people sometimes say, what does that mean, Jay? It means regulate your carbohydrate consumption, right? Stop eating refined foods, you know, HFCs, shit that's in boxes that was just,

again, the average American eats all the time, right? Seed oils, you know, all the things you guys talk about in all your stuff. Um, that's what you have to do. Um, and then if you really want to get, you know, dialed in in particular, you can add a GLP-1 peptide, you can microdose it, you can get hormonally optimized, you can start using therapeutic testosterone. I mean, I always tell people this now, like, if you've been vaxxed and you're not on testosterone, you probably have a hormonal deficiency or a dysregulation because that is causing that

because it's also leading to insulin resistance and obesity. So check your hormones. Make sure you're looking at whether or not you have a hormone deficiency. I mean, you guys, I think it's pretty obvious now. Go to any airport. Guys like us, we live in our own cocoons and our own echo chambers of other fit, healthy people.

So it's like we're talking to the entrepreneur, grind and hustle, and all of us are fit and exercising and doing all these things. But when you go out into the real world and you look around, and again, I always say go to the airport, right? It's like, it's bad out there. Yesterday, not yesterday, what day was it? Monday, when I flew from Tampa to Houston for that podcast, there were two people that were sitting in front of me and they were not much older than me. And it was definitely a husband and wife and they, I'm not kidding you, I didn't time this, but there was, they were sitting aisle center,

and then a young girl who was not with them was sitting in the bathroom, in the window, and she had to go to the bathroom. It took them six minutes to get up out of the seat for this girl to cross over. But that is the average American today. They're so bad off. It's just bad.

And again, I know I don't want to judge or condemn them, but it's like, you know, take that, that poor health, that kind of, you know, not training, not exercising, not eating right and then give them three shots and a couple of bees. And you wonder what's going on. But it's not a death sentence to have the Vax. You know, we've created, you know, my email list and, you know, inside we have an anti V protocol of peptides and bioregulators and supplements you can take. There's a lot of things you can do. You can take natokinase, you know, natokinase really helps with leaching the spike protein

out of the cells. It improves vascular function. I mean, you know about SS 31, you know, there's VIP, there's a ton of stuff, LL37, there's a ton of amazing peptides that strengthen immunity, thymus and alpha-1, there's so many great things that you can use, but I would always say that again,

those are just really the tip of the iceberg, it's lifestyle change first. Always. It's always lifestyle change, but again, a lot of these people, and this is what they'll tell you when you talk to them, they have no energy. And is it due to the Vax or is it due to their poor lifestyle

or is it a combination of both? Hard to get that momentum going when you're like that. What do you see on the forefront in the peptide space? Anything getting you excited? Dude, I mean again, the GLPs with the four and five stage agonist peptides, I can't even imagine. It makes sense that they're gonna go anti-catabolic Dude, there's I mean again the the GLP is with the four and five stage agonist peptides It makes sense that they're gonna go anti catabolic focus that because the negative. Yeah. Yeah, what do you think any miles that inhibiting?

That's what it is. Really? Yeah, so it's a very advanced It's like so far it's follow statin myostatin inhibiting So there's another guy that I should probably get on your guys' podcast. And maybe he's already been on you. Do you guys know Dr. Dan Stickler from Stanford? That name sounds familiar. So he runs the big performance lab in Austin. It's called AppearOn. So he's amazing.

Like, I mean, that's a doctor to bring on your show because his knowledge is like at a different level. But like he's talking about plasmophoresis. So they're using plasma injections with myostatin inhibiting, call them peptides or small molecules along with, what is it, phylostatin. And he's talking about like earth changing stuff, like literally taking a normal, not fit, but not fat or morbidly obese person and giving them these injections and literally adding eight to 10 pounds of skeletal mass in two weeks. Real skeletal mass without transcription or side effects or anything like that. So, like I said, we're on the verge of a golden age. It's just a matter of, I think, whether or not we

blow ourselves up or not. You know what I mean? Because that's the one question, you know? Like, I mean, does World War III happen or does the United States go into a civil war? I mean, I don't know. I just see all this amazing stuff that's happening in the biohacking or biological or whatever you want to call it, the new medical or new biomedical world.

And it's just amazing. Do you ever communicate to your audience about just the value of the struggle of going down that path? Because we often get this question asked to us. It's like if a miracle pill existed, which it doesn't, but if it did, do you guys think that would solve a lot of our problems? I say, well, no, it could solve some of your fitness and physical issues, but so much comes from just the process of the struggle and the waking up and the workout and I gotta

develop a different way. Do you ever talk to your audience about that? That's a big thing that I think, you know, I think if I just snap my fingers and got people, it'd be like winning the lottery. I mean, how many of those lottery winners end up going bankrupt? Almost all of them. Yeah. Well, I mean, a hundred percent, I think it's a really important topic of conversation because

the process is everything. I mean, like they've always told us, right, It's not about the end game. It's the journey. It's like the process or the ride along is like the value. You know, like, you know, we go spiritual for here for a second, like, you know, I like to think that all of us are so much more than our bodies. You know, we're these soul energies, these spiritual beings, our higher selves, whatever you want to call it. And it's like, there's so much more, but being here, you have to realize that part of the process is evolving and growing through the contrast, right? So it's like, if we had a pill or a super GLP-1 peptide that like made you not have to work out, then what fun would that be? Because the grind is part of the process, right?

Getting out there and training and lifting and eating right and doing all these things to see the benefit that comes over time, that's the real value. And if you didn't do that, then what would you really be learning? Well, the other side of me also, just to play devil's advocate,

I wonder if it would actually get more people to go on the journey. I've seen more people start exercising who hated it and would never work out because they wanted a GLP-1 loss of weight. I agree. And all of a sudden they're like, you know what, I'm going to start going to the gym. I know several people like that.

Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I agree that it's an adjunct that's profound, but I still think, I mean look, those people probably though have good influences in their life. They have one of us surrounding them or coaching them or counseling them, so they understand, right? But for the people that don't have any of that, I would still say that even if you gave

them that limitless pill, they would default to bad habits. And let's say this, and this is incredibly important, and you guys know this, until a person finds themselves worthy of making the change, they're going to default. Of course. Yeah. They're going to go back. And so that's why so many bodybuilders, right? Like because we all know all of us have a mild form of muscle dysmorphia. That's just who we are, right? Like we want to be

bigger, we want to be leaner, we want to be better, but it's like if you can't eventually get to a place where when you look in the mirror you find value in who you are and you're like, you know what, I got this, I feel good about myself, you're not going to be healthy. You're going to abuse drugs, whatever it is, you know, whether it's pills or steroids or whatever But you're always gonna be doing something to feel high versus just doing something to be like hey, man I love who I am. Yeah. Yeah, I've been out of the bodybuilding circuit now for well over five six years now And so I'm not as privy to like what's the latest stack and what people are doing. Like this whole peptide wave really hadn't come when I was doing it.

Yeah, no, I understand. But all of it makes it so interesting to me, like God, what would I have used during this time, during my cut? Like are you privy to like some of the common stacks and how bodybuilding? I just knew it was going to go. I'm just so curious.

How, I mean, I can imagine the GLP-1. GLP-1 pre-contest would be like because one of the hardest parts and I've talked I talked about this on my little journey that I just went through of documenting everything. Yeah I saw it following you man you got how much body fat did you lose? So I'm down 10% so I'm down a total I put on 23 pounds of muscle and lost about six pounds of fat. Unreal. So it's been a cooler. You're not using a GLP? No. No, I came off of it. So I used, so part of why I gained so much of that back was previously I took a GLP-1, I took transepidide, but I did it. Notice how he said transepidide? Yeah, yeah.

That just slipped in there for me. Freudian slipped there. Did not take transepidide. J, J, it was not that. But the experiment and why I did not take Trinzipatide, Jay. It was not that. But the experiment and why I did it and documented it for the audience was actually I wanted to remove my trainer brain and I wanted to just eat like what I thought a normal person would. So as it crushed the appetite, I would let it do its course. If I didn't feel like working out because I was so tired, I didn't work out.

If I knew I was way behind on protein just because I knew I wouldn't go do it unless I felt hungry Yeah, and I lost a ton of weight, you know, I lost 30 pounds I saw yeah amazing and so I dropped all that weight But I had lost a lot of muscle too. And so then I came off of it and then it was here's my journey to come back So you watch me come build it build it back with now This is my trainer brain adding protein being consistent and everything like that But anyways going through the GLP one process originally I thought man One of the hardest parts of getting super shredded is just learning to be comfortable with being hungry

Not a lot of people can do that and that's what you see is These people that have this ability to get down to three or four percent body fat You have to learn to get comfortable of feeling hungry. So that's where it changes to answer your question. Retatrutide eliminates the hunger. So, okay. That's where we're at. That's where bodybuilders are, you know, pre-contest.

That's literally where we're at. And that's why, you know, I'll definitely connect you guys with Jason because he'll be a world of amazing knowledge and stuff. And you guys can get deep down that rabbit hole. But he's like, yeah, he's like that whole like starving, struggling, He'll be a world of amazing knowledge and stuff and you guys can get deep down that rabbit hole. But he's like, yeah, he's like that whole like starving, struggling, you know, tilapia, broccoli and white rice, you know,

like you don't have to do that anymore, you know? Like you can literally get into four or five, six percent body fat and live like a normal life. I mean, you're sure, you're still gonna be in a deficit, right? Yeah, yeah. And you're gonna be doing your cardio and you're gonna be lifting and doing all that stuff, but you don't have to suffer. No, I so one of the thing

I mean when you get to that level of the body fat percentage and depleting like that Naturally without your death. Oh, yeah, and you're all and you're also I'm dreaming about food Meals I'm thinking about the next meal. I'm chewing gum and I mean, that's how I I mean, you just have to, in order to get to that level of leanness, you have to learn to get comfortable with that. So, but then I remember what it was like to be on the GLP-1 where it's like,

I didn't even think about food, never even cared. And that's why we're in a totally new frontier. But to what you were saying, like, what is new? I mean, there's so much new. I mean, I think we have to mention DHT, right? So, dihydrotestosterone, everybody in the clinical space knows that DHT is like 10 times more anabolic than testosterone. But in the science, you know, up until let's say in the last couple

of years, they just didn't understand that there was a way to actually, you know, formulate dihydrotestosterone in an oil-based solution. Now, there have been guys in the last 10 years internationally making gels of DHT in like a super really low dose and they were literally giving it, I'm not kidding you, they were giving them to men like in the international community and Asian stuff like that as fertility control. So you could literally like keep a guy suppressed so he couldn't get pregnant by using a tiny micro dose of DHT. But now there are guys out there in the underground space that are formulating DHT formulations combined with testosterone and that is a game changer. Really? So you basically, you know, to just go off the rabbit, go down a rabbit hole for a second. Like, nobody really knows yet. They're still looking at it, but it's like,

it's probably like one seventh to one ninth of DHT to testosterone is the perfect anabolic blend. And what I mean by that is you won't crush estrogen. So most- Because DHT is anti-estrogenic. Exactly. Most, most anabolic drugs, as you guys know, from, you know, our friends that are bodybuilders

and stuff like that, they have side effects when they're abused at higher dosages. And then they all massively create issues with estrogen production and suppression. Eventually like almost all anabolic, if you take too high of a dose for too long of a time will literally crush your estrogen. And then as you know, with crushed estrogen, you have no sex drive. You feel like a eunuch. You hurt your libido is gone.

Your mental energy is gone. Yes, exactly. I mean, you might be a fucking cyborg, right? You look amazing, but you have like nothing going on, right? So like there's guys out there, really, really smart guys now that are like making blends of DHT and testosterone that would be the perfect anabolic.

So imagine having the anabolic effects and growth effects of like a trend acetate or a trend anathate with a DHT testosterone blend that causes no side effects. That's where we're going. So there's a lot of crazy stuff that's in the marketplace. I mean, obviously, if we start talking about, you know, GLPs and anti-catabolic and stuff like that, like, I mean, like you said, dude, like a four and five stage agonist, I can't even imagine what that does

to the physique transfer. Okay, so what are some of the, I'm on a typical year of bodybuilding for me is you have your off season where we are increasing calories, packing on muscle. So give me some ideas of things that are newer on the newer edge that I'm taking peptide wise. I already know testosterone and hormone wise what I'd be doing. But okay, what am I taking to gain?

And then when I transition over, okay, now it's prep time, time to cut, time to lean out. What are the like kind of most popular ones? So I mean, for sure in bulking phase, you're going to have obviously a higher dose of testosterone. You're going to have a tessamerelin or an ipamerelin in a high dose, or obviously if you don't, well we gotta say it, a growth hormone is now readily accessible, right? And good growth hormone, like pharmaceutical quality growth hormone that comes in a pen,

not the bro Chinese growth hormone, green tops, blue tops, yellow tops, hey bro I got hugeotropin or hydrotropin, I mean all that shit is gone, you can now get it readily available So I would say in a in a growth phase for sure testosterone and a growth hormone Or a growth hormone agus peptide like tessamerelin or ipamerelin You know high high collaries, you know, some guys might want to use

You know an anabolic steroid like a decadural Deribalin or something like that or even equipoise or something like a deca-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera-dera- I would be at when I'm trying to exactly You're gonna use a microdose of red at root eye because the red of true tide is going to process the calories way more efficiently You're going to be able to absorb and handle those calories way more efficiently And as I was telling you dude, and you guys will see this when you use it It doesn't kill your appetite at all now if you took way too much maybe but what you notice is just enhanced metabolism Faster it does so many crazy things. You guys, I'm not kidding you. Like it actually makes your bowel movements

like drier and cleaner. Like you don't even have to wipe. Justin, do you hear that Justin? Dude, I'm literally not kidding you. It is such a profound drug. It's good for so many metabolic positive things. Like that's some of the things where it's just like. That's a commercial right there.

You don't even have to wipe anymore. You're like, what's going on? But so yes. All of our wives are like, huh? Let's get this for our husband. You're definitely going to be using Root Truthide in a microdose and then I would say what else would you take? Slup, you want to use Slup, you definitely want to use SS31, you already know that. SS31 amplifies androgen receptors, turns on androgen receptors a little bit more. I think you could probably use, depending on how hard you're training or heavy you're training, you could probably use a little microdose of BPC and TB 500.

Okay. You know, just for recovery. Yeah. Especially again, if you're older, you know, joint fragility and stuff like that, you probably want that. And then when I'm shifting, when I'm gonna shift to the summer and, you know,

the shredding time, I'm gonna stay on retifut you know the shredding time. I'm gonna stay on ready to tie I'm probably I'm probably gonna baby go up a little tiny bit And I'm probably honestly going crazy enough I'm gonna incorporate more fasting because again it makes fasting a lot easier and you already know that the fasting the benefits of fasting from Autophagy getting rid of such senescent cells the hormetic principles behind it, that's going to help you. I would just say this, like a bodybuilder today versus a bodybuilder five to 10 years ago can stay way healthier, way healthier, maintain biomarkers, you know, not have horrible A1C levels because that's what you get when Jason comes on. If you guys bring him on, you guys will love him

talking about like what bodybuilders like, how bad bodybuilders abuse their A1C levels. Especially guys that are slamming calories, gaining 30 or 40 pounds in their winter season. He's like, how unhealthy it is. It's so bad. And he's like, now with GLPs, you can avoid all of that. He's like, trust me, I'm doing it. I'm coaching people that are doing this. And by the way, I'll send you guys his stuff

and you can look at a lot of his bodybuilders and you can see their transformations. But I mean, dude, it's, I mean, GLPs have changed the game. They have just completely changed the game. The conditioning of bodybuilders now who know what they're doing, which I don't know what that percentage is, but let's just say it's five to 6% of bodybuilders

like at a competitive level. I mean, their physiques don't go from that dramatic boiler to being shredded anymore because they don't have to. They're just gaining eight to 10 pounds of mass every winter season and they don't even really get fat. That's awesome. That's wild.

Yeah. So Jay, right now what do you do most for business? Do you coach mostly? Obviously, I love your content online. I think you have some of the best articles. I said this to you last time you're on the show. If you want to read about peptides, the science behind them, and you want to be able to understand it, like Jay really breaks it down very easy. Some of the best content. But what's your main business? Yeah, so right now I'm partnered in a new company. It's not new.

It's been out for two months. It's called BioLongevity Labs, and within 12 to 15 months we plan on becoming the biggest bioregulator selling and research peptide selling company in the world. Now check this out, we're going to have our peptides in pens. So all of our peptides will be in just like the Manjaro pens or the Growth Hormone pens. So it's going to be manufactured actually in a peptide manufacturing facility here in California. So as you know, that's the most the FDA registered sterility control process and it'll also be GMP compliant. So it'll essentially be almost a compound pharmacy without the compound pharmacy regulations that the FDA approved. So it's going to be really close to tell the difference. There

probably won't be much of a difference. And again, our goal is to basically, you know, essentially get more people around the world on bioregulators. But also I have a large private membership group, which you guys have helped to fill up. It's got about 650 people in it now. And all those people pay, you know, anywhere from like $99 a month to 249 a quarter. I sell, you know, I have eight courses, nine courses now, which also do very, very well. And then obviously I'm like one of the biggest affiliate salespeople in the world for like various companies and

stuff like that so my business is amazing and again you guys helped me so much last year you really blew my brand up so I'm always eternally grateful to you guys but yeah I mean I honestly think that bio longevity labs is gonna become a centerpiece for people finding out about bioregulators and then depending on how much the FDA changes things again if RFK does what he says He's gonna do it might actually even become an option for clinicians to purchase. So move out of gray market into the real Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it'll really move out It'll technically probably still be gray market

It just depends on how much restrictions are removed in the FDA because at the end of the day guys right now And I know you guys know this because you deal with transcend are removed in the FDA because at the end of the day, guys right now, and I know you guys know this because you deal with Transcend, there are literally hundreds of thousands of doctors that are buying peptides from research chemical companies and then getting them to their clients. Oh, dude.

I mean, I know all of them for the most part, you know? And it's like I laugh because I'm like, look, I can't advocate you do this. You know, you're definitely not quote unquote above board by doing this. But then they come to me and they're like, dude, I'm not paying X that's 15 X when my client or my patient can't afford it.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And this is a way that they can afford it. So it's a tough deal, right? Cause like in between you want to help as many people as you can, right? As a doctor, you take an oath, do no harm, right? But at the same time, like some of these people can't afford it. I mean, you were saying Sal at the very beginning of the show, if Lilly has their way, I mean, imagine how bad they're going

to make it. Oh yeah. Jack the prices to the point where who can even afford a GLP-1 peptide. So thankfully there's people out there like me and obviously there's a lot of other ones that are saying, oh no, let's teach people how to do these themselves. Yeah, there's a little bit more risk involved, but who cares? Because now it makes it more affordable to do these themselves. Yeah, there's a little bit more risk involved, but who cares, you know, because now it makes it more affordable to the average Joe. Yeah, good deal.

Well, you're my guy, Paul. I call you whenever I want to know the real deal. The latest. Especially the 28th. I send this guy a text, he responds within three minutes. And I'm like, oh cool, that's a good time. With all the details and a study link to it. Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's a good time.

Not always a study, but the details. Same. Personal experience. Jay, I appreciate you coming on the good time. Always a study, but the details. Same. Personal experience. Yeah, Jay, I appreciate you coming on the show again. I appreciate all you guys, all of you guys. Looking forward to Friday, all of us hanging out together at the party. Absolutely.

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