Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2504: For the Best Pumps of Your Life, Do THIS! (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:01:32 from strength training is the pump. There's actually studies that show that actually may lead to muscle growth, but we all know for sure that getting a good pump probably means you're in the right environment. You've created the right environment for gains. Well we're gonna talk about the four things you could do that will almost always guarantee that you get a good pump from your workouts. Do you think the the research that supports that is more

Starting point is 00:01:55 to do with like the psychological part like when you get the pump you tend to keep going and train harder, you're into it, you've got a good connection, do you think there's actually something that's happening that is causing any more hypertrophy than just traditional strength training? Do you think so? Yeah, I think, well, I think the sarcoplasm hypertrophy, we understand that, right? I think it may signal muscle growth through the cell swelling process. Um, it also shows that you're connecting to a muscle.

Starting point is 00:02:24 You guys know this as trainers. If somebody had an underdeveloped body part, they almost always had a tough time getting a pump in it. And then when you finally got them to get a pump in it, then you could start to see some development. Probably has more to do with connection. Cause it has to, but it does have to have something to do like physiologically from,

Starting point is 00:02:41 from the pump that builds muscle because, or else, or else BFR training wouldn't work. Yeah. Because if it was just purely, because that's what's happening there, right? Is that you are basically flooding the- No, they think it's more like you're starving the muscle cells for oxygen. Oh, they think it's more oxygen related

Starting point is 00:03:01 than it is the fluid pumped in there? So then activates the fast twitch muscle fibers. But then there's some speculation around that as well. I mean, we know this for sure. Like if you get a good pump, it means you at least have the right environment for that growth to occur. Well, let me ask you guys this, let me ask you this Adam, especially when you're bodybuilding, getting a poor pump or a good pump, oftentimes signaled, it wasn't perfect, right,

Starting point is 00:03:25 but it signaled I'm in a good position or I'm in a bad position. I'm probably doing okay, or wow, I'm having a tough time getting a pump. This might not be the best muscle building environment. Well, so yes, and what you're about to teach everybody as far as the things that would do this is probably the, that's what the feedback gave.

Starting point is 00:03:44 Like normally, not to get ahead of the four points that you made, but if I lacked a pump from my training, I didn't think I had a poor connection. I didn't think that the exercise wasn't good. I went to these things and went, oh, I must not have had enough of this, didn't do this or didn't do that. You didn't have enough pre-workout or something.

Starting point is 00:04:04 Yeah, it was, it's not pre-workout. It's a lack of pre-workout. Well, the stuff that Sal's listed, I like this conversation a lot because, I mean, I took every pump supplement that ever, I think it was ever. It was, it's a whole category. Yeah, and they work, and they work.

Starting point is 00:04:21 So this is not to knock them, because I did notice a difference with, you know, NO2 and those different types of supplements that were supposed to increase nitric oxide and cause more of a pump. But what I found from competing, which was ironic because I wasn't really chasing the pump at that point, or I wasn't taking any pump supplements or anything, I didn't care at that point, was the things that you're about to talk about in regards to sodium hydration, huge difference.

Starting point is 00:04:50 Huge difference and, okay, so let's back up a second. You know, I've been working out personally for a long time and I remember when the category of pump supplements became a thing. They weren't a thing before, okay? Like early 90s, early to mid 90s when I started working out and I was right away real into it, really into it, bodybuilding magazines and books

Starting point is 00:05:13 and I got real into it right out the gates. There was no category of supplements that got you a better pump. Nobody sold that. Now everybody liked the pump. Everybody talked about the pump. I mean, Arnold talked about the pump in, uh, pumping iron. And for people who've never experienced this, when you, when you strength train

Starting point is 00:05:30 and you work a, exactly when you work in a particular muscle group, what'll happen is you'll feel that muscle group get tight and engorged as more blood goes into the muscle than comes out. So it's called the pump. This is what people refer to. And, um, it's, it's, if a lot of people like it. At first you might feel it think it's weird but then a lot of people like it because it feels like you're doing something. The muscle feels tight and firm, looks rounder, fuller. If you're trying to build

Starting point is 00:05:54 muscle you look like you've built a little muscle even though it's transient and it's temporary. So everybody's known about this for a long time but there was no category of supplements until mid to late 90s when they started advertising supplements that helped you get a better pump. And then there was brilliant marketing around it. They actually showed, before and afters always sell a lot of everything in the fitness space. But these were the most brilliant before and afters

Starting point is 00:06:17 because it was before the workout, right after the workout. And they were real because anybody who's ever. Oh, I look like I gained 15 pounds of muscle when I pump. By the way, I love talking about this too because I also think it sheds light for the general pop that listens to this, that follows influencers and fitness people and a lot. And I'm speaking to the fitness pages that are like

Starting point is 00:06:40 all their physique and their body and looking jacked and stuff like that. Like 99% of people that post these pictures online, uh, do it after they're after the effect. Yeah, right. Post it without a pump. Yeah. Like, I mean, I used to, I used to, that was like a thing I prided myself on was

Starting point is 00:06:57 I used to, I used to post these pictures of myself first thing in the morning when I was flat and I knew I was, to show the difference. Because I knew how much I could dramatically shift the way I look. And so people have this perception of people just walk around looking like this all the time and no they don't. We all look very different. The more muscle you have, the more dramatic. We're all six foot plus guys, right?

Starting point is 00:07:22 So everyone's in here is over 200 pounds, over six foot tall. You air a six foot plus tall, 200 pound dude up, and he looks different. Way different. If you're a woman in your training, all of a sudden you look like you have more tone, more sculpt, more roundness to whatever you're training.

Starting point is 00:07:39 And so you can get, it's a very addictive feeling. And so they started selling supplements around this. And the promise of the supplements was to improve blood flow, because it's the blood, right, that goes in the muscle. So we will sell you supplements that increase nitric oxide, increase blood flow, that should give you a better pump.

Starting point is 00:07:58 That's actually not what gives you a better pump, necessarily. It really has more to do with a lot of other things. Now, nailing these things down that I'm about to say should give you better results. And not just the pump, but overall, because they're all important factors. But what we're about to go over,

Starting point is 00:08:16 there is no supplement in the market. You could even take a PDE5 inhibitor prescription drug like Viagra, which ain't nothing gonna improve nitric oxide as much as that, and that will not give you a pump like what we're about to talk about. Now the first thing is to be well hydrated. Drink a lot of water. In fact.

Starting point is 00:08:36 Cells need it. Most of the fluid, your muscles are 70% fluid, okay, 70%. If you're a little dehydrated you're going to notice that in your workout with your pump you're also going to notice that with your performance you're also going to notice that with the recovery your soreness your muscles ability to build you know all those different things so fluid and hydration is very very important but it's especially important for the pump now just personally speaking for me I work out in the morning.

Starting point is 00:09:06 I typically don't eat before I work out. It just works best on my schedule. So I'm working out 6.37 a.m. When I work out, I know I should drink at least a quarter gallon of water going into the workouts. And when I do that, I get a better pump. When I don't, which I've done before, I've done that before, I don't drink any water,

Starting point is 00:09:23 then I go into the workout, it is noticeably different. Just that alone. So be really well hydrated leading up to the workout. By the way, that alone, we're gonna talk about other stuff, but that alone will crush any pre-workout, post-pump supplement or whatever. I mean, I don't even know a better way to say this because I think it's even beyond, quote unquote, hydrated.

Starting point is 00:09:45 Because I think, I don't want to say that, and then people go, well, I always drink water. I get up, first thing I do is I drink a glass of water. I saw benefits all the way up to about a half a gallon. I could drink up to a half a gallon of water before my workout. I normally train around noon when I was training. So that was for the day?

Starting point is 00:10:02 Yeah, like if I needed to have a half a gallon already in me and then I would drink more during the workout, right? Many times I'd try and get the other half gallon through in the workout, and I saw benefits of that all the way up. And the lower I went, the less I saw. So I would even make the case that it's more than just being hydrated, because you could have what your body needs But then for optimal pumps, I mean I feel you gotta be loaded

Starting point is 00:10:30 Yeah, I feel like it makes it and the bigger you are the bigger difference What a lot of people do is they they remember to drink water during their workout, which is fine There's nothing wrong with that But for the pump to really happen or maximize that feeling of that fullness You want to have that water before the workout. Now, I don't mean pound a half a gallon right before your workout, it's a great way to throw up. That's actually, it can be dangerous at some point.

Starting point is 00:10:54 But leading up to the workout, make sure you have adequate water, and it depends on how much time you have. Like I said, I work out first thing in the morning. A half a gallon for me would be too much. It'd be tough. I'd have to consciously pound it, which wouldn't feel good. But a quarter gallon for me is doable because I wake up at 5 a.m.

Starting point is 00:11:10 So by the time I work out around 6, 37 o'clock, it's doable for me to do that. And when I do that, it's a significant difference and every client I've ever trained, anybody I've ever worked with, that one tip right there trumps every other pump supplement that exists on the market. Yeah. Next is to have some sodium. That one tip right there trumps every other pump supplement that exists on the market. Next is to have some sodium. Sodium allows that, it really helps your body hold on to that water.

Starting point is 00:11:32 So we all know sodium makes you retain water. Well, retain means you keep it in, you don't just pee it out. So when you're having this water, adding some electrolytes or having a meal with it with some sodium makes a huge difference, huge difference. Now in fact, now. This isn't necessarily a healthy tip, but I always noticed,

Starting point is 00:11:52 because again I work out first thing in the morning, if I have a high sodium, not so healthy meal the night before and I woke up feeling a little bit like I'm holding water, I knew I'm probably gonna get a crazy pump when I work out. Even though I'm kind of holding water, not feeling so good, I knew I'm probably gonna get a crazy pump when I work out. Even though I'm kinda holding water, not feeling so good, I knew my workout would give me a crazy, crazy pump. Sodium with water, this is how you hold onto that water

Starting point is 00:12:12 and keep it in those muscles. Well, this is, okay, so again, the next, I'm getting ahead a little bit, because the next one is carbs, but I think you can talk to these at the same time, because I think this helps explain the pop tart phenomenon, the sour patch phenomenon, is those are fast-acting carbs with lots of sodium, and that's why that's why it became so popular in the bodybuilding community to have a couple of these pots or donuts having donuts, pop tarts, I know

Starting point is 00:12:41 it sounds ridiculous crazy, but here's the thing though, the reason why it was so popular is because it worked for the pump. If you were- But you could get the effects from white rice. Yeah, oh yeah, you could get, there's a much- You don't need to go pop tarts. There's a much healthier way to get the same effect. Marketable. And a better strike.

Starting point is 00:12:57 But this is why this got, this is why it has legs. This is why it took off. This is why it's so popular. Because yeah, making yourself a high sodium healthy meal with lots of carbs. So I even had the number down. Like I knew that 75 grams or more of carbohydrates before the workout in addition to sodium, in addition to the half gallon water, it resulted in the craziest pumps I've ever had, better than any of the best supplements.

Starting point is 00:13:24 Now, just to back you up again I work out in the morning I don't eat before I work out it's too early for me and it just works best on my schedule but there are the occasional workouts that I have around noon when that happens it's typically when we're not working and I'm at home and it works out that way. If I have a meal in the morning with a good 50 to 75 grams of carbohydrates plus water plus sodium and then I work out at noon it's always a better pump, always a better pump. It's far more intense. I feel much more connected to my muscles as a result. By the way that's

Starting point is 00:13:59 one of the other benefits of a pump. When you get the pump and a target muscle it's hard to not feel that muscle with subsequent sets. So if you have a tough time connecting to a muscle, getting a pump in it is a great way to get you to be able to connect to that muscle because now while you're exercising it or training it, you've got that feedback from that muscle and you can go, oh this is how I flex my lats or this is how I work my glutes or whatever. The last one is to get good sleep. Poor sleep is a great way to reduce your body's ability for good blood flow, the hormone cortisol goes up,

Starting point is 00:14:32 you don't, your body is not primed for recovery, it's not primed for strength, it's not primed for performance, and poor sleep is a pump killer. Absolute pump killer. Now what's- I mean, a central nervous system is definitely suppressed when you don't get good sleep, so you're not even gonna be firing that effectively.

Starting point is 00:14:49 Is that mostly what it is? Because what's physiologically happening that's reducing the pump in that situation? Like, what's happening? Because all the things you just listed, water, sodium, carbs, aren't necessarily impacted by the sleep. So if those are the biggest factors,

Starting point is 00:15:05 then what is sleep, what role? Now we know being- Central nervous system, and I would say it probably has to do with cortisol. This is all speculation on my part, but I know this just through experience that poor sleep, probably because the intensity of the workout sucks the next day,

Starting point is 00:15:23 is what I would guess. So that's what I would. It's a limiter. Because I've never connected that, but I can definitely agree that any time I've ever had shitty sleep and I worked out, it was not a, it definitely was not on the same day I had one of the best pumps in my life, I know that, but I would probably,

Starting point is 00:15:38 I would probably attribute it to, I just didn't have it in the workout. I just, I was moving, I was lethargic, I was inflamed going into the workout, I just I was moving. I was lethargic. I was inflamed going into the workout I just what you know, I'm saying was felt more like I was surviving Then those those amazing because let me tell you nothing It's nice about the hydrated lots of water lots of sodium carbs Your energy is up to like you will feel you just feel great

Starting point is 00:16:01 Like it's those workouts remind me of the workouts where I had to tell myself I needed to leave, right? Because you're just, oh, every exercise feels good, your joints are lubricated so you're not achy, you're moving, I mean, that's the cool part about this is you're getting more than just the pump benefits that are contributing to a good workout. Yeah, by the way, supplement-wise, there is a supplement,

Starting point is 00:16:23 because I know there's a whole category of supplements, right? That are help, supposedly they help you get a better pump. And the way they do it is through boosting nitric oxide, which by the way is healthy. Nitric oxide boost is good for you cardiovascularly. It's good for your blood vessels. The amino acid citrulline does this pretty well. You know, there's some other supplements out there that do this pretty well.

Starting point is 00:16:49 I'm sorry. I got something for you. I mean, the new Legion gummies have got sodium, sodium carbohydrates in them, and then you're taking your creatine. I was just going to say, creatine is the ultimate pump supplement. Ultimate. Because of the increase in ATP

Starting point is 00:17:07 and because you will have more hydrated muscle bellies from creatine. This is why you gain. You can almost market it exclusively as a pump supplement. There is no supplement. Aside from what we said with water and sodium and carbs, that's all the big rocks, but there is no supplement that will increase

Starting point is 00:17:23 intracellular fluid, intramuscular fluid, like creatine. That's why you gain one to three pounds on the scale. You're not fatter, you're not bloated, your muscles are fuller. That's a better pump. So when someone takes creatine and they know what a pump feels like, what they'll comment on is,

Starting point is 00:17:40 oh my God, my pumps are crazy. It's from the creatine. Creatine is by far the most effective. Well, I mean, I've told you guys, I've shared on the podcast many times, that the most consistent I was with taking creatine was when I was in a massive cut getting ready for a show because I could feel, yeah, I could feel,

Starting point is 00:17:55 I felt like I had to do, it's, let me tell you, when you're cutting, it's really hard to get good pumps. That's actually one of the most discouraging. Especially if your carbs are low. Yes, that's one of the most discouraging things about cutting for a show is you're so depleted and you're carb cycling. So there's like two days in a row where I'm getting little to no carbohydrates when we just got them telling you that's like one of the biggest factors that play a role. And so when

Starting point is 00:18:16 the carbs are really low, sodium also comes down a little bit. So sodium's low, carbs are low. Only thing I got working for me is water and creatine. And so at least the water and creatine would fill me up a little bit, make me feel like, okay, it's not so bad. So that was the most consistent I ever was with creatine until the gummies came. Yeah, I know. Now don't miss a day. They did a good job too. It's, is it, what is it? How many for five grams?

Starting point is 00:18:36 Is it a five? Five gummies, you get five grams, five grams of creatine on the hydrate. It tastes good. That's good. It tastes good. That's crushing right now. Yeah, five gummies is the recommended on him. Can I just tell you guys something right now about? 15 grams of carbs, 15 milligrams of sodium. So I'm just gonna be super transparent with the audience right now, super transparent. So Mike who runs Legion, one of the smartest people

Starting point is 00:18:59 in the supplement space, tons of respect for the guy, okay? One of the smartest people by far. He comes out with creatine gummies. I think a lot of people in the supplement space saw that gummies were a great way to get people to stay consistent with their supplements. Here's the segment of the market. There's a segment of the market where creatine can still explode and it's starting to grow here, but it has yet to really take off. And that's what the female consumer. I think gummies are a great way to get people to stay consistent with their supplements. where creatine can still explode and it's starting to grow here, but it has yet to really take off. And that's what the female consumer. I think gummies are going to make a bigger dent. I think it's more attractive to women to take gummies.

Starting point is 00:19:35 It's more attractive for everybody to take gummies. I think women have been afraid to take creatine because they have heard, Oh, it makes you bloated. It does not. Bloat is under your skin. This is muscle fullness. Your muscles will feel fuller and tighter and more quote unquote toned. You're gonna have better body composition

Starting point is 00:19:56 from what you get from aging. I'm waiting for, and I'm surprised since. As soon as women adopt Crate, which they will, because it's the most effective supplement. Let's make, okay, who, let's say maybe Michael. It's going to be- Maybe Michael will hear this and he'll do it, because obviously everybody's jumping on the, not only Crete team, but obviously Crete and Gummies is getting, we already

Starting point is 00:20:14 have two partners that are doing it, so we talked about doing it. Who is going to, if, and I agree with you, that women are the market to go after right now. Men have been using Cine for a very long time. Women have, a lot of women, this is overgeneralization. Hardcore fitness women are taking this. Right, this is an overgeneralization for me. But there's obviously the biggest opportunities with women. I think we all agree.

Starting point is 00:20:35 Period. How are you not marketing this as like a butt volumizer? Of course. Because that is one of the biggest muscles on your body. It's gonna be rounder. Yes, the water gets held in your muscles. You talk about selling the idea of it making your butt more round. Why are they not running ads like that? If I was running ads, it's exactly how it is. Here's where the supplement industry, this is how stupid they are sometimes, okay? Creighten comes out late 90s, builds muscle,

Starting point is 00:21:06 makes you stronger, best performance enhancing supplements, not a hormone, then we keep getting research, wow, it's actually good for you, it's good for cognitive performance. Then supplement marketers are like, oh, here's how we're gonna sell it to women. We're gonna tell them that we have a bloat-free version of Creighten.

Starting point is 00:21:21 And what they did inadvertently is they sold the idea that Creighten makes you bloated. Yep. You idiots That's such a first of all, it's a lie And by trying to sell to women you lied and then you scared a bunch of women away from taking Here's how you sell creatine to women you tell the truth It builds muscle and it's the most potent fat burning supplement there is because of the muscle building process It speeds up the metabolism through the muscle building process. Yes, your weight goes up on the scale a little bit,

Starting point is 00:21:48 but you're not fatter or bigger. You're more, you have more lean body mass. It's actually a little bit leaner as a body fat percentage, a little bit leaner. So yeah, when this goes, and oh by the way, it's good for your skin. I'm not making this up, look up the data. It doesn't just hydrate your muscles, hydrate your skin.

Starting point is 00:22:07 Well if it holds water in the cells, it makes sense that it would be good for your skin too. They're putting it in skincare products now too. You're starting to see creatine creams and stuff. Really? Yes. That's interesting. Yes, anywhere there's mitochondria,

Starting point is 00:22:19 which is all your cells, they're gonna perform better with creatine. Once the beauty market adopts Creightene as a supplement, it's game over. It's going to go, and it should, it's got, there is no supplement with more, there is no supplement that exists with more peer-reviewed data in Creightene.

Starting point is 00:22:38 That's like thousands of studies, so yeah. Did you guys, did either one of you, probably not? Okay, but I'm gonna ask anyways Are either one of you guys watching the the show that sound or sound that yes? Yes. Not yet. Oh, have you know? I still go through silo and then dune prophecy I Me do where the sickest show ever I'll get into lioness because I've heard you I'll watch that it's so good. It's on HBO So the reason why I bring that up this was funny. Okay, so Doug and I have been watching it So I've been like texting back with him

Starting point is 00:23:12 That's what we don't invite you guys anymore They're so lame. They don't even do that. So we're gonna go blank. Yeah, we do we text each other back But he's like, hey, do you do you he asked me? He's like do you do you recognize the main, the dad, the husband of the main lady, right? The main character, Lioness is after, he's like, do you recognize the guy? And I'm like, yeah, actually I was telling Katrina,

Starting point is 00:23:34 I'm like, what is he in that we know? He's like, no, he's with one of our partners. And I'm like, what? He goes, yeah, look at him again. And I'm like, oh shit, I'm like, that is him. He's one of the Caldera guys. Caldera Lab? Yes.

Starting point is 00:23:46 What? Yes. Look up Caldera Labs commercial. Who's that? Frank? What's his name, Doug? Yeah, Dave Annable. Dave Annable is his name?

Starting point is 00:23:54 Yes. You guys have seen him for sure. You'll recognize him. He's been in a lot of different shows. Oh, yeah. But I didn't put that together until Doug said something. I went, oh shit, that's crazy. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:04 Yeah. He's a caldera guy Oh, I was watching the show. I go I knew this guy Guy is a model for them commercial yeah, he's one of their models He's obviously a he's a partner. I've seen him He's a partner of caldera lab like we are and he has been since I think day one I think Frank Grillo is another one. He's another actor. Yes, he's another one that's part of Caldera Lab. He's our age.

Starting point is 00:24:26 Yeah, I didn't know that until right now until he just pulled that up. He plays a surgeon to the husband to the main lady who's in line S. He's a handsome fellow, isn't he? Handsome guy, yeah. They did that. I didn't realize he was our age.

Starting point is 00:24:40 Salt and pepper. Wow, you know what's funny? What you just said, so it's connected to what we were just talking about. What Caldera Lab did is they made skincare products that were not touching the male market. They were able to hit the male market effectively and that's why they're crushing.

Starting point is 00:24:55 100%. And that's what Creighton can do with the female market. 100%. Wow. I mean, think, you know, that was, okay, I don't know about you guys. Well, it's Viori with the male market. The number one, they did a good job also.

Starting point is 00:25:04 So that was, so previous Christmases, number one ask request from family has been pretty consistent has been Viore. I know. This is the first year Caldera Lab took it. Ooh, they took it over. Number one was my family was asking for Caldera Lab or where to get it or what our partner code was.

Starting point is 00:25:21 Yeah, Viore has been- I've had a lot of requests for that too. For pretty consistent, Viore's been one of the top, but this year was Caldera Lab. Speaking of like, we were just talking about his age, have you guys, you know what I watched recently? Jessica wanted to watch old Christmas movies

Starting point is 00:25:35 and we watched, what's the one with Chevy Chase? National Unbooned, the original one, right? Oh dude, it's the best. Did people just look older back then? Because in the movie, he's younger than we are Yeah, but he doesn't look it is he supposed is you know, it's a Is Wilford Brimley, right? Remember the old guy that was like Quaker oats commercial that's in like, you know, dude, you thought like he was 80 already. That's all only like 40

Starting point is 00:26:03 That's always TV TV's been like that forever. Like look at all your 90210. Like high school, there were always like 25 year olds playing in high school. I'm talking about real life. How old was Chevy Chase in National Lampoons? I bet you he was in his 30s. Oh, you think he was playing an older?

Starting point is 00:26:18 No, I think he was playing in his 30s too. Cause a lot of times actors will be older playing a younger. Well, especially the younger roles Yeah, the younger ones for sure. Yeah, like fast time of Ridgemont. Okay, that'd be interesting What how old was Chevy Chase when he national? Yeah, and what did he play? Vacation or Christmas? Christmas. Yeah, he was 46 years old. Oh, well, I guess he was He still looks, eh, okay. He looks pretty good. Yeah, you were wrong. He looked alright

Starting point is 00:26:40 Uncle Eddie, dude, that's my friend. I always think that's interesting They have these you have the shows where they're like, they're always way older. They're playing like a 17 year old or 20, you're like, dude, he's like a grown ass man. He's like, they're in high school. Yeah, they're high school, yeah. And they've got full beard and so.

Starting point is 00:26:54 My cousin, I'm really, really close with my cousin. Him and I grew up together, we totally grew up together, right? Always with each other. He just turned 46 and it just hit me like, bro, you're closer to 50 than you are 40. And he's like, you're next, bro. I'm like, oh my God, what is happening right now?

Starting point is 00:27:08 Time is going by so fast. The weird part. The weird part. And what's weird is what I used to consider old, I don't anymore. Oh, 100%. The old, I've talked about this, right? The data on this is-

Starting point is 00:27:19 We're already past the over the hill when they said those parties was like, that's what you were talking about? Yeah, so Wilford Brimley, it was like in his fifties when he did those commercials. Yeah. It looks like he's eight seventies. Wow. He's only 50 right there. Yeah. Quaker oats. Yeah. You can do Quaker oats then. That's crazy. Oh, this oats are so good. You want to look older than you really are. I mean, I called this way back when we first started. There was in it and I'm,

Starting point is 00:27:43 I'm pretty sure it's right about now. What? That time will come. Yes, there's somebody listening to the show right now who's a new, every day we get new listeners, right? So right now there's somebody who's just listening to Mindpump, hopefully they hung in this far, and they go, they go, they look at all of us and they guess our age. Doug they think is not the oldest. They do not think he's the oldest. At least the same maybe. Yeah, same or younger. It's gonna switch, you know?

Starting point is 00:28:08 It's gonna take over. They've done studies on this that what people consider to be old is 20 years older than them. So regardless of where your age is, and I forget what cutoff at some point, then you're like, okay, I'm old. So if I were to tell you right now. That makes sense.

Starting point is 00:28:23 If I were to say to you like do you think 54? Is old no, you know 64. Yeah. Yeah, that's 20 years older than you. That's a good point It is that is when I was I don't I mean I remember like yesterday where I thought like 35 was old You know, you're like old 35 now. I see a 35 room like a baby. Yeah, here's a warm milk Here's some warm milk. Some warm milk. I'm gonna burp you. You know what I'm saying? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:28:48 I'm not accepting it. I'm still hanging on to being young as much as I possibly can. Yeah, we know. Hey, I'll have you know, so we went to, Justin was at the same hotel as me. We stayed at Maritage, right? In Sonoma. Great hotel, too. What a cool place.

Starting point is 00:29:03 And Katrina was teasing me because I was like glowing after that and we were checking in. And the bell boy had to been, I don't know, like 24 year old black kid, like stylish, you could tell us with that and we're checking in and I can see him in the corner of my eye, like looking me up and down. And now I'm always weird, I'm always always like is this gonna be somebody who knows who

Starting point is 00:29:27 we are yeah yeah so I'm like I'm like watching the corner of my eye like waiting for him to say something and he finally does say something but it's not cuz he knows who I am but he's just like your shoes he has my whole fit you know he's like made a comment on my like my whole outfit like that and so I'm like he your bellboy yeah this was before the big tip I'm like looking into bills like it's the biggest one I got I got you bro he was actually so shout out because he's probably listening now so because I did tell him what we did he ended up asking what we did and he's a trainer oh Oh, nice. Yeah, so I told him, And he wasn't familiar with our show?

Starting point is 00:30:05 No. Oh, wow. No, which that always, I mean, that's still to this day. Arn, we need to reach more trainers. It's, he did not, he had no, he was, now granted, I do think that that's not our, like, he was early 20s. I think that if you're into fitness and you're late 20s, 30s to 40s is,

Starting point is 00:30:24 That's our key demographic. Yes. It's funny, along those lines, because I don't handle my social media on Instagram, I have an assistant that does it. If there's questions, she'll forward them to me or whatever, but I just don't manage it, because I've got myself kicked off twice.

Starting point is 00:30:37 So I think that's a big factor. Just so the audience knows, he's the only one that does that. The rest of us actually run our pages. Yeah, because I'm the only one that got kicked off. It's actually me. So she of us actually run our pages. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'm the only one that got kicked off. It's actually me. Yeah, so she posted a picture from our Christmas party with me and Jessica. And I didn't know, I didn't see any of the comments

Starting point is 00:30:52 or whatever. Jessica's best friend Nicole screenshots the comments. She goes, look how sweet these comments are. And my wife didn't even know, you know, we posted a picture. She's like, oh my God, I can't believe you posted a picture of me. She's like, when I do that. So I'm reading the comments, it's like, wow, she looks half your age. Oh my God, I can't believe you posted a picture of me. She isn't like when I do that.

Starting point is 00:31:05 So I'm reading the comments and it's like, wow, she looks half your age or wow, how old is she? You're really dating a young, I'm like, damn dude. She's younger, but Jesus Christ. How many years you have on her? Eight. Oh, that's not that much. No, people are like, she's half my age.

Starting point is 00:31:18 Yeah, I mean, what's the cutoff? 10? For what? Like age, like what do you have? Before it's like, hmm. Yeah, when, when it's 10, you say 10 is the cutoff? 10? For what? Like age, like what do you- Before it's like, hmm. Yeah, when, what's 10? You say 10 is the cutoff? For like, I don't understand what you mean.

Starting point is 00:31:30 Like when it's weird? Yeah. That's what the fuck I mean. Oh, I don't know. What do you mean what do I mean? I don't know. You're just saying. Probably.

Starting point is 00:31:37 He's like, never. Yeah, he's like, yeah. I'm like, what do you mean? You don't understand where I'm going with this question? I mean, obviously he's cheating, because you have to. Yeah, yeah. Just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just What do you mean? You don't understand where I'm going with this question. Obviously 18. Yeah. I mean, what are we talking about here?

Starting point is 00:31:49 You do know you're almost 50, right? Yeah. Even 25 is off. Yeah, 25 is off. Probably 10, huh? I would say. I think, I just think that 10 is like a, 10 is 10 is like a big gap. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:04 Yeah. What do you think Doug? Well, Rachel's 13 years younger than me. I didn't realize that. Yeah. Is she really 13? Yeah. 13 years. Oh wow. So I think at least 13 years. I mean, I think as you as you as you age, it does grow. The gap can grow. Yeah. Yeah. Because the maturity. Yeah. It's a maturity thing. Well then, and also too, like how well you take care of yourself, I mean, Doug, you can easily pass

Starting point is 00:32:29 as 10 years younger. Yeah, so technically she's only three years younger than you. Perfect. That's how I think of it. Yeah, yeah. Maybe that's how it is. It's really like how young you could pass for. That's where it starts.

Starting point is 00:32:41 Whatever, that's 10 years before whatever you can pass for. I just don't understand. Who was it? I think it was the lead singer of Red Hot Chili Peppers with his girlfriend. Yeah, they thought so. She's like 20 or 19? That's fucking Hollywood, bro.

Starting point is 00:32:54 Yeah, but what are you talking? Why do you hang out with a child? Who are you hanging out with? What are you guys doing? Yeah, but that's not as bad as like, who's the last guy that was, it was the. Al Pacino. Hey, Al Pacino hey Al Pacino Al Pacino Robert De Niro have had kids with like yeah 50 60 years old difference dude

Starting point is 00:33:11 you're ancient you're like 90 years old and you still have kids but yeah I mean I think it's more of that it's like you're really old and then you're going to the 20 year olds yeah come on yeah what are you guys talking about yeah she's giving you vitamins in the morning. Exactly. Yeah. I think it's, I think, I think that's what I'm going to say. I'm going to say it's 10 years younger than you look because you should get some leeway if you've done a really good job. That's my, then my wife is 20. That's the case. Well, no, you, oh, you think you look way older.

Starting point is 00:33:43 I think I maybe, I don't know. By the way, I think it's Bill Belichick. He was the last one I was trying to think of who's like, oh, yeah. Dating some really young girl. Yeah, Bill Belichick. Look at his girlfriend. He's got a huge gap for his.

Starting point is 00:33:54 But I think. Who's the cap real? He's the famous guy that does that, right? He always upgrades. He breaks up with them every time. He goes with the younger one. Yeah. Downgraded.

Starting point is 00:34:02 Yeah, I don't think you look that much older. I mean, Jessica looks young, and I think you look your age. OK. Yeah, I don't think you look old. No, it doesn't look that crazy. I believe you because you wouldn't use this opportunity to talk shit about me. Definitely. I know you wouldn't.

Starting point is 00:34:17 No reason for you. We keep pulling that thread. If you talk about talking shit about me, I will. The episode. Like, oh, finally, somebody noticed. Oh, yeah. But maybe because I feel the same way about myself, maybe that's why I feel that way about you.

Starting point is 00:34:31 I mean, Katrina always gets compliments on how they think she's young all the time. Yeah. Yeah, she always, when she tells people how to hurt, because she's older than me. A lot of people don't know that. Well, it's funny. Even like a four year, like so Courtney and I, it's like.

Starting point is 00:34:44 Is it how many? Your four years? Four, yeah. But Even like a four year, like so Courtney and I, it's like, your four years? Four, yeah. But being like in high school, and I'm talking about high school stuff, like when I was there and then I'm like, oh yeah, you were like in elementary school, like ew. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:53 Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, Jessica will talk about shows. You're four older than Courtney? Yeah. Why, I thought she was the same year as me. Oh, she's younger than me too. Oh, I didn't realize that. No, Jessica will talk about a show

Starting point is 00:35:04 she watched when she was a kid and I'll be like, oh, that's my, I remember my little sister was, what's that? Well, you're the oldest too, so that's like different because you have the old, you have young little brothers and sisters like that. That's funny. Hey, I got some fitness studies. I should bring a bunch of fitness.

Starting point is 00:35:17 I got some fitness studies. Hey, did you hear that guy, the guy who we did a live questioning, it always makes me think that too. I mean, sometimes like you, well, you started, you started what, two years ago when you started doing the fitness tip? Yes. Has it been two years?

Starting point is 00:35:32 I'm pretty sure it's- No, it's gotta be, maybe is it more than that? No, I think it was about that. Probably a couple years. Because you heard it, I think it was, he was three years or more, the guy who lost the 100 pounds. Oh, and he talked about the podcast. And he made the comment about how, you know, somebody turned, I mean, that was like the big fear.

Starting point is 00:35:47 How many hundreds or thousands of people do you think we lost in the first five years? He falls it up that it's his favorite part now. It's like, that's the conundrum. Well, that was what screwed us was because we would hear that. And so we had this bias of like, oh yeah, these are the people that love the show. They love that part. Well, yeah, but we got them and then they hung around. The new ones we weren't getting. Well, so, these are the people that love the show. They love that part Well, yeah, but they we we got them and then they hung around ones we weren't getting well So alright, so I got a study. I'm gonna go take a take a left here

Starting point is 00:36:11 So this study looked at they researched prenatal supplements. So these are supplements that women take To get pregnant and then taking during pregnancy or in preparation for pregnancy and then taking during pregnancy And you guys know that especially choline right very important you get enough choline yep while pregnant to reduce the risks of certain birth defects and stuff like that this study came back and showed that less than 50% of many prenatal supplements have the adequate amount of colon all right so really yeah you know what's crazy about this? That's... If you ate eggs, you would get it. Exactly. Eggs. Eggs are a very high source, a great source of choline.

Starting point is 00:36:53 This affects your IQ, right? Yes, dude. It'll affect your child's IQ. They also found in some of the supplements toxic metals. I also... Don't you think, Sal, that some of this too, because you said 50%, right? Yep. A lot of this is exacerbated by going to a CVS or, you know what I'm saying? Like the crappy version of the supplement? Yeah, there's just, and there's 1,000 different

Starting point is 00:37:17 supplements on there. And I mean, I don't even know how they decide whether a supplement is, because it's not like Target and CVS are vetting each one of these supplement brands. They're operating under whatever, the little bit of regulation that there is around it. Yeah, which is none.

Starting point is 00:37:33 And so it's like, cool, you get a pass. I think what they do is like, can you produce 10 million of these if we need 10 million? They can move product within their shelving and then they see which ones move and they keep them. Yeah, I think if you, one of the best things you could do, my wife was really good about this. Now I get, it's tough, especially during the first trimester,

Starting point is 00:37:50 so I get that, because the first trimester, oftentimes you're so nauseous, this is very difficult, but what she did is she researched foods that contained high amounts of the nutrients that were important for development. And so my wife was eating eggs, she was eating fish roe because of the fatty acids in there, she was eating sardines, she was eating organ meats, and that's the best way to guarantee

Starting point is 00:38:15 that you're getting the nutrients in your body. Eggs, man, eggs are the best, it's like nature's multivitamin, especially if you're pregnant or getting pregnant because of the colon. Because that's a depressing statistic. I wanna do a full episode of all the things that your wife is not good at. Oh, that was a short episode, right?

Starting point is 00:38:34 That was a short episode. We won't have a podcast video. You always bring up the things that she's so good at. Why would I bring up things she's not good at? We won't have a podcast video. You wanna hear something stupid about what, It's so good at That's private conversations So alright, I got another study for you guys. So they linked

Starting point is 00:39:03 Processed foods or the consumption of processed foods to muscle quality. Here's what's cool about this, by the way We're now doing studies on muscle quality. Not just that you have muscle, but rather the quality of your muscle. And poor quality muscle typically has fat storage within the muscle. Kind of like a ribeye, like it's marble. Did you hear about this before, Gabriel Lyon? Because I never really heard anyone talk about this

Starting point is 00:39:21 until her. Nope, muscle quality wasn't really something. Which is great because lean body mass doesn't show this. By the way, this is why strength is stronger correlation to health than muscle mass. Because strength will tell you more about muscle quality than just if we did a scan and said, oh you have this much lean body mass.

Starting point is 00:39:41 But do you think Sal you could have a really high level of lean body mass and also... Yes, have a poor muscle quality. Or at least it doesn't tell you the whole story. You're right. Because if you have a lot of lean body mass, you probably built it. But it doesn't tell you the whole quality, right? If it's marbled in, is it really factory-made? I guess what I'm getting at, is it possible to have a bodybuilder guy who's got a bunch of terrible... No, I don't know. I don't think so, not that much. But the point is it doesn't give you a full story.

Starting point is 00:40:11 It doesn't tell you the full story. It does make me ask questions though, like could though, that bodybuilder over time, because he has so many dirty bulks, cuts, dirty bulks, that the lean body mass he does have isn't as high of a quality as we... Or maybe someone with genetics, where they just hold more muscle mass but they're totally out of shape right? So you say oh you have got a lean body mass

Starting point is 00:40:30 but the muscle quality. Which we've all seen people like that they just have got like farm strength they never come on. We all have that old uncle with massive calves like I'm sure who doesn't work out right? That's gonna be Justin. I'm gonna take that position. So anyway. That's right kids. Just wearing shorts year round. It's fucking 30 degrees outside in shorts. I'm over here working my calves out like crazy.

Starting point is 00:40:53 Yeah, shorts and contractor boots with flurrio socks. I'm gonna be that old guy with those short shorts and things hanging out. But anyway, so yeah, a diet high in ultra processed foods is associated with higher amounts of fat stored inside, maybe using thigh muscles to measure this. Regardless of the amount of calories consumed or level of physical activity, that's the crazy part.

Starting point is 00:41:14 That is crazy. That's the crazy part. So just this kind of food doesn't, really isn't healthy. And this is just more evidence that shows that. What is it that's in it? Because what would, what would? There's so much more of the story than we think. I think a majority of the story is the over consumption of calories, the you know not taking enough protein, but I do think there's more to it because there's

Starting point is 00:41:39 there's lots there's data that points to this. Now it's not it's not conclusive because oftentimes you could explain it away by saying it's the over consumption of calories, but I do think that based off the data that there's probably other things that we haven't yet identified fully. And I'm not going to say, you know, I'm not going to speculate like a lot of the wellness people do because I just haven't seen the data that's

Starting point is 00:42:02 conclusive, but I will agree that there's something else about ultra processed food, beside the fact that it makes you overeat, that makes it inherently unhealthy. These Franken foods. And again, this is another study that kind of points in that direction. Not a perfect study, but I think those foods just across the board, even if you consume the right amount of calories, should probably be avoided regardless. I mean, I feel like it's anybody who has ever disciplined themselves to do something

Starting point is 00:42:29 like a Whole30 or just do an extended period of time where you just eat Whole Foods and it doesn't have to be that long like 30 days. 30 days if you if you've never done that I challenge you to do Because to me, I feel like it's very clear. I've never heard somebody do that and not come back and report. Yeah, way better. How they feel. And the calories can be the same. Because you could let the other person be on the IIFM.

Starting point is 00:42:56 And maybe they feel good too, because they probably, if they follow their macros and they don't go overeat, they're going to feel better than what they would feel like over consuming and not working on those things. But compare them to the person who eats nothing but whole foods. Like, what's- Well, this is kind of a weird thought,

Starting point is 00:43:11 but you know, I've heard hunters report this in terms of bears when they're close to like a lot of berries and they consume a lot of these fruits and berries and things before the winter comes and they eat the quality of these fruits and berries and things before the winter comes and they eat the quality of the meat, tastes sweet. It tastes like it acquires this. Of course. And so in terms of that being what we're consuming and it'd be interesting in terms- How we taste?

Starting point is 00:43:39 Yeah, like how we taste. Not just how we taste, but like- Where you go for this to- You know what I'm saying? You could tell what you ate. Maybe it say how we taste, but like, you know, you could tell what you ate, you know? Maybe it is how you taste. Are we like, hey, so like healthy people are like the, like fit and healthy people, like the grass-fed version? Yeah. You know, it's better for you, but that's just me. Yeah, it's like, you're tough, but they're like,

Starting point is 00:43:58 oh, look at this fat guy. I mean, that's why that 24 hour fitness was the best ad in the world. They'll take the fat ones first. Yeah, cause they probably taste the best. Did you see by the way true? Have you guys seen the headlines that are going around right now? I had to look deeper into it The headline reads the CIA this new CIA paper claims that there were that there were There was life on Mars and they were large

Starting point is 00:44:22 Humanoid beings that also built the pyramids. Stop it. This is a CIA paper. CIA paper, come on. Now hold on, I was deeper into it. It's a real paper. It really is a paper. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:33 But the way they came to this- The Freedom Information Act, right? Yes, but it wasn't like they found evidence. These were the remote viewers that said this. Oh, remote, no. The remote, yeah. That discredits us. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:41 So it just goes to show you, it's like a headline. I'm like, wait, is this a real paper? I'm looking up news. I'm like, oh my God, it's a real paper. I thought you were going to say like bacteria or something. I think they've figured it out. I mean, Justin's theory of like numbing us with all this stuff because it's coming real soon here,

Starting point is 00:44:57 I could get behind that because I'm already there. Like literally an alien, a fucking UFO could land out in our parking lot right now. I don't even know if I'd get up. Yeah. That's CGI. I'd tell Dylan to grab a camera. He was saying, grab a camera, let me know. Go get some footage.

Starting point is 00:45:10 Optical illusion, you know, or something. I don't know. I don't think I would. I'm serious. Like if that happened right now, who gets up right now out of all of us in Sprintzler? Sal for sure does. I mean, I would. You would too.

Starting point is 00:45:21 I'd be interested. Yeah. Doug and I probably hang back. Yeah, you guys are. And tell Dylan, go get the footage. Fake news. It's, yeah, I mean. I've got work to do. You've read about the Nephilim, right?

Starting point is 00:45:30 You've read about the Nephilim and you know who that is? No, no, no. Oh, yeah, it talks about that in Genesis. It's, these were. Leastly. Fallen angels that mated with humans and created this, like, these warrior class of people. Like, it wiped out during the flood.

Starting point is 00:45:46 And there's lots of speculation. Who are the Nephilim? Were they giants? Were they? Yeah, so that's what the people were saying with the CIA paper, like, they're the Nephilim. That's the Nephilim. That's how they built the pyramids.

Starting point is 00:45:55 They picked up the blocks by hand. My science fiction brain goes crazy with that. I know, dude. I think that's probably the most exciting part about any of this stuff happening is like, what science fiction movie got it most right? Like who was the closest? I know I do think Independence Day is pretty good about how we'll just what will come out That's what like all these UFOs are right now

Starting point is 00:46:14 You'll come out and you'll just see this massive thing outside this guy that'll probably that would I hope it's not like Lord War of the Worlds even my son was freaked out I showed him that one you know with the Tom Cruise That was intense. Dude. And they're collecting everybody and then they're just like spraying them out so they could grow their own alien like plants. Of all the alien invasion movies, that one was the most clever. The original was the most clever. How smart, right? For us, it was a radio broadcast. Yes, it was a book. It was a book.

Starting point is 00:46:45 But it's so clever, right? It's like these aliens are invading, we're helpless, they're destroying us, and then they suddenly die. Remind me of the story of what happened, because it didn't get read on a radio and it caused all kinds of pandemonium or something like that. Yeah, pull it up, Doug.

Starting point is 00:46:57 What's the story about? Yeah, remind me. They started this radio broadcast. It was like in the 60s, right? Nah, no, 40s or 50s. Oh, even earlier. Oh yeah, 40s. It was before TV if I'm not mistaken. So they did this broadcast and they started out by saying and

Starting point is 00:47:10 now we're reading from the book by so-and-so. 1938. Orson Welles. Orson Welles. So they started reading, they said we're gonna read the story and then they read the story but because it's broadcast a lot of people just tuned in. Yeah. And it sounded like a news broadcast because they reported it story. But because it's broadcast, a lot of people just tuned in. And it sounded like a news broadcast, because they reported it or read it like it was a news reporting. So a lot of people didn't even know it was. They gave a whole qualifier in the beginning

Starting point is 00:47:34 that this is just a story, a simulation. But some people came in late. Late, because it's a live broadcast, which is exactly what happened. They caused a panic. People were freaking out. But it's the smartest story, in my opinion, because it's a live broadcast, which is exactly what happened. Cause of panic. Yeah. People were freaking out. They were. Yeah. But it's, it's the smartest story in my opinion, cause it's a great story. They come, they, we can't do anything against them.

Starting point is 00:47:51 And then they just suddenly die. And it's cause they're not adapted to our bacteria and germs. Yeah. So that part is crazy. Super smart. It makes so much sense cause of all the thousands of years of just adaptation and how much that takes for us to overcome a lot of these things. It's like, dude, yeah, the one little thing. How big was the panic with that, Doug?

Starting point is 00:48:10 Do you remember when you were a kid? Yeah, it was crazy. You said you hoped it was for me. Yeah, were you driving? He jumped off his horse. I don't know how many thousands of people were terrified. OK. It just says there was a panic. Yes. I remember hearing that, hearing about the story of that. But I didn't know what happened exactly.

Starting point is 00:48:33 I mean, again, if that happened now, you're right. I think people would be like, ugh. Yeah. Totally. I think that's how crazy is that? How crazy is that? OK. Back in the 30s, 40s, or whatever, 38, whatever it was, a radio broadcast

Starting point is 00:48:50 could tell a fictitional story and get pandemonium. Today's time, real shit could happen and I bet we wouldn't even trip. You know what would cause people to trip? I'll tell you what would cause people to trip. If everybody's internet suddenly stopped working within everybody, within two or three hours, you'd have panic, mass panic. Within two or three hours, everybody would be outside their house in your neighborhood going, you're internet, nobody's internet's working?

Starting point is 00:49:13 What's going on? Nothing's working? So phones don't work? You see a microcosm of that anytime a power line goes down. At least that happens in my neighborhood, like the electricity goes down, all of a sudden you walk out and the whole neighborhood's all,

Starting point is 00:49:25 everyone's just out there. What happens if you live in California, PG and you'll just keep like doing it for fun? There was a great blackout. It was a big blackout in New York City in 1970 something, Doug, if you could pull that up. Was it, there was an actual blackout that caused crazy crime.

Starting point is 00:49:39 Well, Sal, isn't there, isn't there like, haven't they done some research on this by, there's a certain timeframe that if it doesn't get fixed by that it would- People start to go- Yes, that it would cause that. Yeah, that it would cause all kinds of crazy.

Starting point is 00:49:51 That's a good question. I'm sure there's a timeline for that. 77. 77, and what happened in there? They lost power for how long? Wasn't that long actually, I think it was like 24 hours. 24 hours, they lost power in a whole, I think the whole city.

Starting point is 00:50:03 Yeah, everybody just lost it. Yeah, I'm gonna and it caused time crazy crime Yeah, I was a big the blackout of 1977. Yeah, no, thanks. Yeah. Well, hey, so I thought of you the other day there was this Priority know this yeah Thought if you're not wearing any clothes, it was weird That's not Is the NIL is is the stuff for college. I'm into that right now.

Starting point is 00:50:27 I think that's interesting. So there was this. What's NIL stand for? It was NIL, yeah, what is it? I don't know what it stands for. Oh, my bad, I had to be continued. It's just basically, it's how they can pay college players now on the open now, hopefully.

Starting point is 00:50:38 Can we look at the acronym just for now? Because I'm sure someone has been here. I know, I've been saying it just not even knowing, but National. Institute of of leaders layman. What is it? I'll get the answer for you. All right, go ahead. So there's this lineman from from Stanford came up with a solution. You know how like to recruit players a lot of times it's the big donors that really have a say in that. They're able to kind of fund and sway them in these recruitment trips.

Starting point is 00:51:07 Well, he created a with LinkedIn, I guess, bought his company that now they open source that up so fans can actually pitch in and try and donate to grab other players, potentially to recruit. So now they have some more weight in that process. I mean, this is getting crazy. So this just goes to the point. I was making with oh Main image like your likeness. Oh, that's so funny. Go right, okay So this this goes into the what I said the last time we brought I brought up in I'll stuff is These coaches are having a really hard time

Starting point is 00:51:42 I mean because back in the days, it used to be, you get recruited this prestigious college and it's an honor to get to play for this team and you want to prove yourself so bad so that you get into the league and now you've got these kids that are getting pulled in all different directions and now you have open sourcing potentially. Imagine you have a team, so I, and I heard, I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard that, uh, recently there was a team that it, like a guy, somebody left and that player was able to get like that whole team recruited from him. So like, like a whole team lost their whole team because it, because this can happen now. And so if you start open sourcing that crazy, what's the, what's to stop like enough people getting behind, like let's say like, Notre Dame is a popular football team.

Starting point is 00:52:28 I feel like Ohio state and Michigan, they'd be like messing with each other with that, right? They're all going to be messing with each other. So it really interesting to watch this all shake out. I mean, I, I do think that it was the right move because it was happening anyways, just illegally, right? So now it's like more upfront that this is like, we're paying these players. It does change the dynamics though. It does change the dynamics.

Starting point is 00:52:48 And I think they're still trying to figure out how do we work around this? So that's interesting. What a cool, neat. Yeah, super disruptive. I was like, well, that's a very brilliant idea for him to come up with that. What school did it for?

Starting point is 00:53:00 Do you know what school did it first? Or where did you, what was it? No, so he created with a couple other partners. Like the software or something? The software something? Software yeah they just brought online through LinkedIn and they're able to. Do you know okay it's a software that's like really interesting you guys and it's blowing up this year. This year it blew up the biggest and so next year supposed to be crazy. Gary V's been talking about this since 2015. It's called Fan Steak. And he's been telling people since 2015 I

Starting point is 00:53:22 watched an old video where he was like screaming that this is gonna be the biggest thing ever. And that is basically QVC into social media. And I told you guys about that What's Not app and my buddy with the cards and how addicted he was. So that's What's Not is one of the biggest apps that's doing this kind of QVC type of thing. Basically it's where social

Starting point is 00:53:45 curators are able to, and I mean- Like auction off stuff. We're not big on things like our apparel is like a small, obviously very small part of our business and we don't sell things, right? It's like programs, so it's a little bit different. But if we actually had stuff that we sold, like we should be doing this. It would be silly not to be doing this if we didn't sell like tangible things. Because that's what anybody who has influence or a network like this, and you do this live selling, and it goes crazy, and it's basically a- Who'd be the one doing that?

Starting point is 00:54:15 Justin. Yeah. I'd have to take things off. Cause you know why? You know why? Cause the people that do it, it's their characters. That's what draws people in in is that you're funny, you're entertaining, and you're selling. So you, sorry.

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Starting point is 00:55:06 segment of answering questions is brought to you by live webinars that Adam and I host it's at trainer webinar calm the next one is January 7th we help trainers and coaches start the new year off right by helping them build their business our first caller is Shane from North Carolina you know chance hey guys what's up sure you're bringing me on. So my question here. So I run my own personal training business for the last two years now. I've been a trainer for seven. And I recently came from a country club doing was a director of wellness and aquatic operations

Starting point is 00:55:42 felt to kind of branch out on my own. But the lingering question I've always had was like, what's the end game? And I often felt like there was no clear, you know, in game clear choice in what was going on without it being repetitive and like a groundhog day type thing. So it's hard to imagine that growth sustainability beyond trading my time for money So I did purchase y'all's fitness coaching course As I was one of the first hundred I didn't start it unfortunately

Starting point is 00:56:17 Which I plan on to But I did see that you all have that CRM program see that you all have that CRM program. Um, so added to that, what advice do you have for scaling a personal training business while maintaining that passion, avoiding burnout and kind of finding that in game that like that point of when you want to retire? I love that. I love that. You know, cool.

Starting point is 00:56:40 You definitely need to, to decide like if the end goal is to, okay, I want to scale out of this and I'd love to have all these trainers working for me but I don't personally want to train clients anymore. Or I could see myself still training a lot of people because I love doing it. And so there is a middle of the road type of situation here. It doesn't have to be an either or. Like you don't have to decide like, oh, I've got to scale out and be done with it, or I have to be always doing all the clients. I do think there is a happy medium there for somebody who loves to still train people. And the beauty of scaling the business beyond just yourself is you have an opportunity to pick and choose kind of who you take. So in a perfect world, you use like the CRM

Starting point is 00:57:27 to help you scale and build enough volume to where you need to bring on other coaches and trainers underneath you. And then you start to hand pick the ones that you wanna train and then you deliver the other ones to other people. But one of the things when you're, where you're currently at and you're trying to decide is that where I want to go, probably the

Starting point is 00:57:48 hardest transition that trainers make is they sell themselves. Most of us, that's how we got started, was you talk about how what I'm gonna do for you. I'm gonna write a meal plan, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. And the transition of that and then oh my god I have so many clients I now need other trainers and now I'm no longer selling myself. I'm selling the program or the system I always want to encourage my trainers even when you're at the where you're at And so even even though you're not to the point where you need ten trainers underneath you you already start communicating What you deliver as what like we deliver or what my program does or what the systems that I'm using will deliver for you and practice that communication that way.

Starting point is 00:58:31 This will make that transition of, okay, now I'm so loaded. I can no longer take all these people and I need another trainer. Oh wait, how do I sell this other trainer? Well, you're not. You've been selling your systems that, you know, Shane, whatever you call it, right? Whatever your business name is or whatever you decide your programming system. And that's like, we're a perfect example of that. Maps programs, right? We don't sell Sal, Justin or Adam as personal trainers. We sell the maps

Starting point is 00:58:54 programming systems, right? And so even though you may not see yourself there quite yet, it's a good thing to start practicing if you believe that you want to scale something bigger than just yourself. That would be my first piece of advice. Shane, you're currently training people now, right? On your own or are you working for someone else? So I train on my own. The country cub that I left or resigned from my position, I still train there. I still train my original clients. And then I also train a handful, probably six maybe in my garage at my house. Okay, so there's an order of operation here too

Starting point is 00:59:32 you wanna focus on, which is get to the point where you have built your own business. Yeah. Well enough first. Maxed out. Where you're maxed out yourself, you're charging top dollar, you've got a great client base, and then you get toed out yourself, you're charging top dollar, you've got a great client base, and then you get to the problem of,

Starting point is 00:59:48 or the challenge of scaling. What you don't wanna do is focus on the steps, the too far ahead without focusing on what's right in front of you. So right in front of you, it seems to me is, how do I, if I'm you, I'm like, okay, how do I build my business to where I'm doing really well to where the next step is inevitable? I have to scale. But start there. Start with

Starting point is 01:00:13 building your own. And if you really enjoy what you're doing and training people, you can scale by yourself very far before you have to add employees or staff. Like you could raise your prices many, many times to where you're training 10 people, but you're doing really, really well because you're charging top dollars. It's such a huge range of what you could charge as a coach and a trainer, depending on the services you offer

Starting point is 01:00:41 and just how good you are. And we talk about this just so you know in the course. Just so when you go through that and you get to the, we actually talk about this process, so. Yeah, yeah, I mean. The goal is really to get a waiting list. I mean, get to that point where it really makes sense and then to Sal's point, you then adjust your pricing

Starting point is 01:00:57 and then see if you can bring on and onboard people at a higher price point. You start kind of scaling and seeing whether or not you wanna go lower volume a higher price point, you start kind of scaling and seeing whether or not you wanna go lower volume, higher price point, if that works best for your lifestyle and your goals. And then, once you get that all efficient, that's why I'd look into online personal training and offering different services like that.

Starting point is 01:01:18 Yeah, but imagine this, it's like a client coming to you who doesn't work out and they haven't worked out in a while. They're like, Shane, once I gain 30 pounds of muscle and get down to 10% body fat like how do I maintain that like you're gonna be like let's get you started first and let's get you to the first step before we get to that point because that's way down the line so I wouldn't even worry about scaling right now I would worry about growing your business, getting it to a point where you're like, this is crushing.

Starting point is 01:01:47 So how do we do that? Step one, go through our course. There's so much valuable stuff in there that's gonna help with that. So that's step number one. Step number two, you could work with our CRM, which we're not really talking about publicly, so I'm not gonna go super into detail about this.

Starting point is 01:02:02 It's really only something we talk about to, at the moment moment to our coaches But our CRM manages everything for you. It will make scaling easy because you'll have everything You'll load up every you have your email sequences set up. You'll have your guide set up. You'll have your leads Setup you'll have everything in there Start there build your business get to the point where you're on your own doing exceptionally well which is very, very possible. Then look at scaling and then what Adam said would be the next step. What's my system that I can sell? That's the very next step on how to scale.

Starting point is 01:02:36 But start with you. Can I get to a point where I'm just by myself training people, crushing? I've raised my prices, I'm doing very well and then look at, okay, let's scale, but start with the course, look at the CRM, let's go there first, and if you're, again if you're diligent, it's, that's, that's, that's a no-brainer. And as far as some of the tactical things to do, to the call that I'm doing with for you guys today with Kyle at 4 p.m. is centered around that. So like, like tactical things to go after as far as lead generation and closing percentage and ways to help you like how you should focus

Starting point is 01:03:10 going into the new year. So that's really what the webinar is about is like closing out the final quarter, setting yourself up for 2025, what are some good goals for you to focus on to help you scale your business. So I don't know if you can make that at four but we'll definitely, it'll be recorded

Starting point is 01:03:23 and it's for you guys. So that's going on at four o'clock today. And then every other month or so, starting in January, we do just free webinars for coaches and trainers. And I think you heard me say this off air, but it's trainerwebinar.com. Attend all of them, they're all free school.

Starting point is 01:03:38 It's free classes. And we're gonna try and make them as valuable as possible. And we're never gonna charge for them. And it's really centered around this. It's centered around helping you guys scale and build your business. Totally, dude. Does that help?

Starting point is 01:03:49 Right, and that's why I purchased that course, you know, because I really wanted to take it further and take the right steps because sometimes it's just kind of like a long road and you don't even know where it's going. Don't even think about- I do really appreciate it. Yeah, where yeah where it's going Don't even think about really appreciate. Yeah, you got it Do don't even think that far down the line because it's just just start with where you're at And that course it'll reveal itself. We as much as work as you're putting into it now 100% start the course

Starting point is 01:04:18 I'm telling you it'll be so valuable for exactly what you're asking. Perfect. I appreciate it guys. You got it, man I'll chain. We'll see you in there brother. Thanks, brother. Thank guys. You got it man. All right Shane, we'll see you in there brother. Thanks brother. Thank you. Yeah, you know that's, I use that analogy because sometimes people get trapped in that like, what do I do 15 steps from that? Paralysis by analysis. Well the way you get there, you start with the next step,

Starting point is 01:04:38 which is for him. Are you overwhelmed with clients and just crushing? Yeah, like why are you asking? Let's focus just on giving them that point. What was that one guy that you send that video? Oh God, the Wes Watson video. Hilarious and true, unfortunately. Yeah, but you know, this is why we do,

Starting point is 01:04:54 why we're entering into this space, is that there's a lot of coaches and trainers that they have a passion, this is why you become a trainer, you have a passion for helping people, nobody teaches you effectively how to start and how to build. The webinar that Kyle and I are doing today, that's literally, so you guys remember when I did the free one that we did for the three day training.

Starting point is 01:05:14 You did one, I did one, right? So the whole breaking down, what's your show percentage, what's your close percentage, average, like it starts there. Like figuring out, like how many people do I have to talk to in order to get a lead? And then when I get a lead, you know, how many of those leads do I need to see

Starting point is 01:05:32 that convert into training? And then the ones that actually convert into training, what's the average dollar? It's knowing your statistics, your stats first, right? Then you have that, and then you go, you plug and play, you go, oh wow, in order for me to sell $5,000 in personal training, I've got to talk to 50 people.

Starting point is 01:05:49 And then you distill it down to that, like, okay, the goal is to talk to 50 people a month if I want to make five grand. Well, if I want to make 10 grand, that means I need to talk to 100 people. Okay, if I need to talk to 100 people, what does that look like in 30 days? Okay, that means I need to talk to three and a half people a day, okay? Four people a day, that's the goal. So every day I'm gonna talk to four people a day and that translates and you start there.

Starting point is 01:06:12 And then the next month you go, okay, what areas am I weak in and where am I strong? Oh wow, it looks like I'm really good at convincing people to show up to see me, but I'm really bad at closing. Okay, so it's closing. I need to work on my closing. And that's what the course is all about, is we have all this stuff to help trainers and coaches

Starting point is 01:06:30 in those areas, but it first starts with you tracking and understanding what it takes for you to get to people. Step one is step one. Yep. Our next caller is Brian from South Carolina. Brian, what's up, dude? What's up, Brian? How can we help you, man?

Starting point is 01:06:44 Hey, how are y'all? Good, good. We're doing good. Super excited to be on today. So I'm 37 years old. I have lost 75 pounds this year, started at 305 pounds. Wow. As I look toward 2025, really trying to figure out

Starting point is 01:07:02 where do I change from the cutting mindset to the maintaining mindset. Obviously, some people say BMI, some people say a weight goal, some people say a fat percentage. You know, as I continue to cut down, I'm 235 right now, starting at 305. I don't really know where to stop and change that mindset from a caloric standpoint as well as just a lifestyle standpoint. Where are you at right now? Tell me calorie wise. Where are you at? Around 2000. Okay. 20 to 2500. I do Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and I lift weights. So if I'm feeling more hungry, I eat more. If I'm feeling more hungry, I eat more. If I'm feeling less hungry, I eat less,

Starting point is 01:07:48 but I'm eating all whole foods, mainly fruit, meat, raw dairy, very clean carbs if I do eat rice or something like that. You're actually, I mean, you got the right mentality. I mean, really got the right mentality. I mean, really, at this point, you just, if you focus on performance and strength, I think that'll lead you well. I think the hardest part though, I got to imagine, because I just went through this and around similar numbers, as far as like the calorie intake, hitting 220 grams of protein is probably pretty hard to do when you're at 2000 calories. How consistent are you with the protein day in and day out?

Starting point is 01:08:30 So I eat a lot of red meat, but I'm, I'm consistently at about 150 grams. I am not doing any supplements currently, including protein powder, triatine, post pre-workout, nothing. I am doing some electrolytes in the form of element but yeah that's kind of that's good that's okay so this is cool this is good Brian and then this is an easy easy yeah we're bump our protein so and that 'll bump your grams yeah bump your protein by 50 grams either through Whole Foods if you have to use shake, but that becomes the goal. Like, hey, we're hitting 200 grams of protein,

Starting point is 01:09:07 and those extra calories should kind of help you kind of reverse that, or at least start to build some muscle. Because what's happening right now is I think you're doing really good. You're just low calorie, you're leaning out, leaning out, leaning out, and you're losing a lot of body fat, it's probably time to bump the calories a little more in protein intake and just focus on building some muscle and

Starting point is 01:09:27 You your weight is already fine in my opinion for a six-foot guy to be hovering around weight wise You're you're a good weight now I just wanted to change your body composition to where you feel really happy Muscular wise and strength wise and that can be as easy as just adding 50 grams of protein a day strength wise and that can be as easy as just adding 50 grams of protein a day through either whole foods or a shake if we have to. How often are you doing jujitsu and lifting weights? Tell me your routine. Yeah. What are you on any of our programs? So right now my exact routine is I lift weight Monday,

Starting point is 01:09:58 Wednesday, Friday in the mornings, jujitsu, Monday, Wednesday, Friday nights. And then then Tuesday Thursday, I kind of treat as Low steady state cardio recovery day. Maybe hit the bike. Maybe it's some rolling but very low low effort just Trying to keep movement up I also feel better when I do that. It seems are you and they normally I take the weekends completely off Are you seeing strength gains or have you plateaued? And then normally I take the weekends completely off. Are you seeing strength gains or have you plateaued?

Starting point is 01:10:30 No, I've only been lifting realistically for a month or so Place let me get let me send you let me send you a program Brian. Let me say follow one of our programs I think maps 15 performance would be perfect for you exactly And it's it's it's a it's a five or six day a week program But you're only doing two exercises a day. It's a short workout. It's perfect in combination with Jiu Jitsu. You add that with the 50 grams of protein? Yeah, you're good.

Starting point is 01:10:52 You're perfect. You're gonna build muscle and get leaner at the same time. So you think I should, so should I stay where I'm at calorically and then just add the protein calories into that? So it would be 25 to 3000 roughly. Well, 50 grams of protein is only going to add like 400. No, I mean, it's less than that. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:11:12 So just add 50 grams of protein to what you're doing and then follow maps 15 performance with your jujitsu. And especially in these early states, a month you've only been lifting for a month. Progress is about to explode. Yeah. You're going to see some great strength gains you're gonna be fine going up anywhere between 300 and 500 calories that's a good 300 to 500 more than where you're currently at and try make most most of them if not all them from protein so we should try and not go below 200 so your new threshold

Starting point is 01:11:40 is hit 200 grams or more every day consistently and 300 to 500 more calories that range is perfect. And what you're gonna experience with this especially because you just started strength training with weights is those extra calories you're gonna get stronger and you're gonna build muscle and the scale probably isn't gonna move yeah you're probably gonna get leaner as you build more muscle and you should see improvements in your performance in Jiu Jitsu as well. And even if you do go up a little bit in weight initially,

Starting point is 01:12:10 don't worry about it. Because you will be taking more calories, which you could hold a little bit more water, but you're gonna be good, dude. This is a great place to be. Yeah, you did a good job. I mean, Whole Foods doing it that way. Yeah, I know, and you're in a group.

Starting point is 01:12:24 This is the scariest part right here, is trying to transition to a good job. I mean, Whole Foods doing it that way. Yeah, no, and you're in a group. This is the scariest part right here, is trying to transition to a new mindset. And I'll tell you, Brian, the part that will kind of be, the mind fuck will be the initial little bit of weight that you might see on the scale. In fact, actually, why don't we do this? Don't weigh yourself. No, don't.

Starting point is 01:12:39 Don't even weigh yourself right now. Give yourself, be honest, give yourself a month before you get on the scale again to maybe check up on it But stay away from the scale for 30 days and do exactly what we said that way you don't get the mind fuck Trust us for 30 days. Okay, and then you can get on the scale or you know And and or take a picture right now of front side back what you look like and then in 30 days No scale no nothing take the pictures and then tell me you don't see a difference. You know what's funny is that

Starting point is 01:13:06 you've done the really hard work. So I know mentally it's difficult because you're switching, excuse me, mentality, but you're about to get, now you've done the hard work of losing all that weight, you're about to see muscle and strength gain, metabolism boost, testosterone's gonna go up. Energy go up, yeah. Yeah, dude. Yeah. As long as you don't

Starting point is 01:13:26 go crazy and overdo it in any other direction, like literally just follow our program. Don't do any additional strength training or any additional workouts, plus your jiu-jitsu with the extra protein. You've got probably some linear, you're gonna see yourself progress linearly for at least three to four months before you start to see yourself start to slow down with Plateauing so you've got yourself a nice road ahead. I love for you to follow back up with us I think you'd be a fun person. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I'd love for you to reach back there a Good and because I'm not doing any supplements now is there a Brand of protein that you'd recommend. Yeah, can you can do dairy, right?

Starting point is 01:14:04 Yeah, yeah Legion makes dairy, right? Yeah. Yeah, Legion makes a really great whey protein. Great whey protein. Yeah, and we have a discount code with them, but they're very high quality protein, no artificial sweeteners, so we like Legion. If you go on our mindpumppartners.com page, you can go click there, you'll get a discount.

Starting point is 01:14:19 And then creatine. Are you taking creatine yet? No. Oh, wow, bro, you're gonna see it great. You add creatine, the protein shake, and the calories and protein we're at with the Maths 15, you're gonna be so good. Yeah, you're about to see the next five, six months

Starting point is 01:14:36 of just, as long as you don't go crazy in either direction, you're about to see some really, really good performance and aesthetic results. Just stay away from the scale. Don't let it mind fuck aesthetic results. Just stay away from the scale. Don't let it mind fuck you, okay? Stay away from the scale. It will. That's harder, that's easier said than done.

Starting point is 01:14:50 I know, that's why I gave you just a small goal, 30 days. What is our strength? I'm not saying forever, just give me 30 days of doing exactly what we said, because I don't want you to, like, because what will happen a lot of times with someone like you is you'll, the first week you'll freak out.

Starting point is 01:15:03 Oh my God, because you'll see a little bit of weight go up on the scale or something and it'll feel off or so don't I don't want you to touch the scale for 30 days exactly what we say and then you can look at it in 30 days and take a look at your pictures within 30 days and you'll see a difference. Can we get you back on in 90 days just to give you a little bit of like accountability okay we're gonna have you back on about 90 days about three months 60 to 90 days and we'll talk then and see how everything's going. 60 days is plenty.

Starting point is 01:15:28 60's plenty. Awesome, thank you. Yeah, two months is good. Yeah, let's do 60, follow up. Yeah. All right, we'll send that over to you. MAPS 15 Performance. Coming your way.

Starting point is 01:15:35 Thank you very much. You got it, man. Thanks, Michael. Is it Brian? Oh, Brian, Brian, sorry. Michael, Brian. Yeah, it's on the notes, it says Michael. He's in a very exciting place.

Starting point is 01:15:49 Yes. Like, for people listening right now, now what he said is also true. This is the tough part mentally. Yep. Because he's gotta make this mental switch of trying to lose weight to build muscle and that stuff. And it's scary for someone like him,

Starting point is 01:16:03 who lost 75 pounds to add any calories, that's scary. But physiologically, if he does what we tell him, he's about to get the best results he's ever had in his entire life. He's really primed for it. He just started strength training. He's not as protein as an ideal. He's doing all the right things, nutritionally.

Starting point is 01:16:19 And he's about to get linear gains. So this is especially the first few months of strength training with good programming. He's gonna see himself get stronger almost week after week after week for a little while. It's gonna be cool. Yeah it's like a dream client situation because it makes you... If he hires you now you look like a champion. Get him right before the huge transformation.

Starting point is 01:16:35 It's like LeBron James hiring you to you know to teach him to his basketball coaching right before. No I hope I so I hope he falls back up because he'll be a fun one to talk to afterwards because he's gonna see he's in a great his weight is perfect he doesn't need to be any no two or five six foot he could get down a nice 15% body fat with that yeah our next caller is Jameson from Canada Jameson what's happening going on man how can we help you hey guys super stoked to super stoked to be talking to you guys. Yeah, just a little bit about me. I started working out like 2017. I was really heavy, 240 pounds.

Starting point is 01:17:14 I went on a canoe trip with some of my buddies and I was in the front of the canoe and this thing was just over on the front. Nothing like that. It didn't put you in the back. Nothing like that motivates you to get in shape, huh? Sinking the front. Nothing like that. It motivates you to get in shape. Sinking the boat. So yeah, I was, I kind of was getting a little product picked in product out and I was like, I'll show these fricking guys. I'm going to, I went home and I was, I was kind of disappointed. So I started this program called MP45. It was just a thing that promised you a six pack in 45 days.

Starting point is 01:17:50 It taught me about nutrition, taught me about weight lifting, and stuff like that. I started at 240, I did that in 45 days. I dropped down to like 205 pounds. And then I started with a personal trainer and this guy had me doing six days a week, twice a day. Um, I would, I would sprint, I would sprint. Um, I do sprints in the morning. Um, and then I am also, I was also a plumber at the time. Um, I was doing plumbing in the day. And then in the evening I would do the time. Um, I was doing plumbing in the day. And then in the evening I would, uh, do weightlifting. Um, and then

Starting point is 01:18:28 I was so tired during the day. He had me on keto. I was eating, um, I was just, I was absolutely demolished. Like I was so tired. I was sleeping during my lunch breaks just to get some, just to get some energy. And I was like, no, I was like, Hey, this guy was Jack. So I was like, yeah, this is, okay, this is just the process. This is how it is.

Starting point is 01:18:49 And man, I did this for, I did this till I dropped to 170 and I was, I did that for about four months and I was like stuck at 170 and he's like, okay, let's get you jogging after your workout now. Add a certain thing in. I was, I was jogging and, uh, after my weightlifting, even it, it like,

Starting point is 01:19:10 and I was like, holy shit, man, like this is, I was so tired and he's like, okay, let's flip the switch. And so we flipped the switch and I started eating like some carbs, uh, eating more. And I like stacked on, like, I was so hungry when I was one 70, I was just starving, like I could eat anything. like I was so hungry when I was 170 I was just starving like

Starting point is 01:19:25 I could eat anything and I was dreaming about food and just like it was it was nuts and um I did stack on a fair amount of muscle like I went to from 170 to like 190 I was deadlifting 500 pounds like dumbbell pressing 120 pound dumbbells um just I did feel good um seeing 120 pound dumbbells. Just I did feel good. Anyway, I kind of I dropped the dropped him and I I kind of weight lifted for steadily for oh, like three years till 2021. And then I kind of fell off the wagon and I found I started listening to you guys and you got like total different advice. Like I was always taught like, you should be like

Starting point is 01:20:09 annihilating your body in the gym, making it sore, this and that. So I recently just started working out again, I think I'm on like 13th week. And I just been kind of doing what you guys said. I just kind of have been taking it easy. Three, four days a week. Just doing the minimum I think Adam, I heard you were kind of getting back into it. I think we you got back into it recently, you were saying on the podcast that you just were just kind of trying to do it as easy as you could, like not tracking,

Starting point is 01:20:41 just going in doing the bare minimum to start. And that's what I've been doing. And when I first started in September again, I was like 210 pounds, I dropped to 200 within a couple weeks and I've been just staying there gradually at 200. And my body is, it's definitely, I have been seeing changes and I've been getting, I'm just a lot more sore than I was when I was working out back then, even though I was doing six days a week. But I'm just wondering, did I butcher my body

Starting point is 01:21:12 for like future, like to get to where I was way back then? Because I didn't see good results, but. No, no, bro, you're okay. Yeah, by the way, I mean, one thing's for sure, you work hard. Body's resilient, thank God. No, you got the right idea now. And by the way, soreness isn't really a good indicator

Starting point is 01:21:29 of a good workout or a bad workout. I mean too much soreness can tell you that you overdid it. But oftentimes, over training you don't get sore, you just feel exhausted. I've done that to myself in the past where I was doing double split crazy routines and I just wasn't getting sore, so I thought, oh, I'm not over training,

Starting point is 01:21:46 but I had all the symptoms of over training as well, so it's a bit of a conundrum when it comes to soreness. But you're on the right path now. Are you following any of our programs? No, I've just been kinda coming into my gym and just kinda picking how I feel, going with how I feel that day. Um, like I've been mixing it up.

Starting point is 01:22:09 I'm, I get so bored, uh, easily and I just, I'll come in and do a chest and back one day awake and then I'm just kind of jumping around to be honest. Um, well, what do you, what do you like? Do you like bodybuilding style workouts? Do you like powerlifting style? Do you like, do you want to do different kinds of exercises? Yeah. Yeah. Like all my whole like lifting career, I've just been doing like max lifts. So I'll start with like 15 reps dumbbells for like,

Starting point is 01:22:40 and then I'll drop to 10 reps and then I'll go to three to six as heavy as I can and do that. Like I've always been kind of like powerlifting style with my whole kind of lifting career. That's what I've really known. No, you know what I feel for this guy? Old time. I bet he would love old time.

Starting point is 01:22:58 I bet, I want to send you a program. Let me send you a program. I don't know, I'm getting a vibe from you that program, you know, I like, I don't know, I'm getting a vibe from you that I think you would really enjoy our MAPS Old Time Strength Program, which is like bronze era bodybuilding style workouts. So these are workouts that they did in the bronze era where, you know, they were exceptionally strong, but it's not traditional exercises.

Starting point is 01:23:23 A lot of the exercises are ones that they did back in those days, like a one-arm bent press and stuff like that. And it builds a tremendously strong stable body. And it's fun. It's very different from anything you've done. So if you're getting bored with the same whatever, you'll love this program for sure.

Starting point is 01:23:39 And I just get this vibe from you that I think you would really enjoy it. So I could send that to you and then follow it. The difference between going to the gym and doing what you feel and following a well programmed program that's actually written properly, the difference for results is like night and day my friend. Yeah you'll notice a big difference by following something structured like that. I do want you to go to go to the YouTube channel and go to Mind Pump TV and follow

Starting point is 01:24:00 along the journey that I just documented. So it was my last three months of getting back and just like you I had I'd been. So it was my last three months of getting back. And just like you, I had been off for a little bit. I got back in the swing of things. And even, like follow what Sal said workout-wise, but the advice and the tips and the conversations that I'm having in there, I think will really serve you. Because I talk about nutrition,

Starting point is 01:24:21 I talk about intensity, I talk about a lot of things on that whole process and so follow along on that get on get started on that sound mind pump TV and you'll see all the videos that I've been doing for the last three months follow that and then do what Sal's doing and you're gonna be just fine dude yeah you're well we'll send you the program and just follow it switch to our program you're gonna love it dude don't do anything else yep sick man I appreciate Hey man, I know we don't have much time. I do have a number of questions, but whenever you guys, whenever we're out of time, just tell me. So there's some like muscles that I find lacking, like my left hamstring, my left shoulder.

Starting point is 01:25:00 Would you guys recommend like going in one day and just totally working on an isolation of one should my left shoulder Doing lifts with that and just working on like a nice symmetry individually Yes, and no so so yes, but there requires more careful programming than just doing that Okay, so old times still could work but symmetry might actually be better might Symmetry might address, yeah, for unilateral type of exercises. It's not a crazy difference, but it's just... If it's noticeable, yeah, you're gonna want to work on it. If it's noticeable, you want to address it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:35 All right, what's your next question? Because now I'm on a different program that I want to send you. I know. Ask me the next question. Let's see if it's... I know, right? Let's see if we're staying on track here. It's going to be a good program.

Starting point is 01:25:44 Yeah, so I guess back in the day I was like, I was more for like, really wanted that six pack look good body, but now I'm more for like longevity. Like I'm 31 now. I just want to, I just want a body at 60 that I can still utilize and have me golfing still and doing activities that I can like, you know, I I'm just here for, I just want to longevity is my is my goal now yeah so and then another question I haven't I don't touch pre-workouts or anything like that anymore I found back in the day when I didn't just a bit of THC before a workout and I found the pumps to be like really crazy I'm just wondering I don't I don't I don't really want to do that anymore

Starting point is 01:26:29 but just wondering if you guys have any tips for to help with that like mind muscle connection because I've never felt such a Like a better muscle mind muscle connection than I have with ingesting a little bit of THC before a workout Yeah, you know the data shows reduced performance from THC THC from strength and power. However, anecdotally a lot of people say that because it changes your perception of what you're doing. Generally speaking, it's not a great substance for you know physical performance, fat loss, muscle gain, anything like that. You, a little caffeine and just,

Starting point is 01:27:07 the program that we were gonna send you, I think is really good for learning mind muscle connection. It's a lot of the workouts in there are unilateral. And that's what unilateral type training does. So if you wanna use a little THC before your workout, go for it. But it's not typically one that I advise. I don't typically tell people to use that. Longevity wise too, the symmetry is perfect for that. I mean,

Starting point is 01:27:29 it's addressing all of your joints, health and strength, stability. So, you know, eliminating pain or any kind of like dysfunction and addressing, strengthening the overall body. So yeah, I think we'll send you that one. And then I would look into old time though after you're done. One of the reasons why people feel that from the THC like that is kind of everything else going on in your life in the day kind of melts away and you become just hyper present. You're stoned and you know you're thinking about is what's right in front of it. You're not thinking about other things everywhere else and so that's kind of

Starting point is 01:28:03 what that tends to do. Yeah a more Natural way to do something like that is put something like brain FM in your headphones and put focus on or something That'll really help that So if you find yourself thinking about work and other stuff you got going on and that's what keeps you from being really really focused That's a recommendation is to throw brainM in your ears and listen to like a focus session while you're lifting that'll really drown out all the noise so you're really focused on the mind muscle connection. Sweet, man.

Starting point is 01:28:33 Appreciate it. Also, I have my own like sauna and cold plunge room. I'm just wondering, like what's the maximum like I've been doing it after every workout. I do like I Find like 39 degrees like I set that cold plunge to as cold as it'll go and like Plunge before in it in there do you want before sauna after yep, and don't utilize the cold Not after don't do the plunge before plunge before sauna after cold plunge first You'll get the best workout ever. Yep. And then sauna afterwards.

Starting point is 01:29:08 And then don't do any cold plunge after the workout. Just strictly sauna. Just strictly sauna. That's right. Plunge before, sauna afterwards. We don't want to blunt that recovery signal, because that's the downfall of doing the ice bath afterwards is as far as building muscle goes,

Starting point is 01:29:23 it's actually not an ideal thing to do. Unless you're doing your double day still, but you don't want to do that. Yeah so what happens you do the cold plunge before you get a bunch of catecholamine release, dopamine, norepinephrine, that's like your natural pre-workout. Then you'll get a better workout and then afterwards you don't want to use cold because that blunts the muscle building signal. Not a huge effect so I don't want to freak you out like you're not gonna build muscle but it's just not ideal. But the sauna afterwards helps.

Starting point is 01:29:47 And in those recovery days that I'm not working out, sauna cold plunge? Yeah, you can do it then like that. And then you could do it together back and forth. In fact that would be hot cold contrast would be great if you were going back and forth on the days you don't have anything. Yep. Sweet man. One more thing creatine. That's the only substance I take. I find I'm like I wake up during the night three times to take a leak if I'm taking it. If I don't take it I'm not waking up to take a leak. How long do you take it for when that starts? Do you take it consistently or do you stop taking it after a few weeks? No, I take it consistently.

Starting point is 01:30:25 Like, I've taken it for like over a month now. Um, and I'm always waking up to take a leak. Are you taking it before bed? No, I'll take it midday. Okay. Stay with it. You should be. So it might be affecting your sleep for most people that improve sleep, but for some people,

Starting point is 01:30:41 because of the increased ATP, here's what's happening. It's not making you pee more it's you may be waking up in the middle of the night more often which then makes you need to pee so I would lower the dose stay consistent that effect should slow down and stop after a few months okay sweet right on guys I appreciate your time. You got it, man. Rest in that program over to you, Jameson. Thanks a lot. All right, brother. You got it.

Starting point is 01:31:09 His, fucking the trainer. Jesus, bro. By the way, he was trying to break him. Next month it would have been an alarm at three in the morning for sprints. Yeah, dude. Okay, hit a plateau, now we're gonna add jogging in there. Yeah, what's going on?

Starting point is 01:31:21 You know, instead of sleeping, we're just gonna have you walk on a treadmill, close your eyes. Yeah These James's hard-working guy dude cuz I see your eyes open Survived that one. I guess well, you know what and there's some dumb ass He will he will actually because he's did all that it actually he'll be better now Like if just by taking care of his body and his body has been that strong and had that muscle for this is where the muscle memory, so I hope I hope he

Starting point is 01:31:45 watches the the series that I did on Mindpump TV because I think where he's at and a lot of the conversation I'm having will serve him. Totally. Look if you like the show come find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mindpump. Justin I'm at Mindpump to Stefano and Adam's at Mindpump. Thank you for listening to Mindpump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Super Bundle

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