Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2508: The Best Eggs to Eat for Building Muscle & Losing Fat (Listener Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:52 Conventional, pasture, free-range, do you pick one, does it matter? That's what we're gonna talk about. If you can afford them right now. Yeah, oh I know, are they getting crazy right now? Yeah dude. A dollar an egg. Yeah dude. Diamond eggs. People are doing like black market sales right now. It's crazy. All right, so eggs in general, first off, finally, so what an example of don't listen to the government for health. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:14 They finally came out and said eggs are healthy. 30 years later. After demonizing them. They literally ping ponged it, bag it forth, and bag it forth. First they demonized eggs. When we were younger, in the 90s, 80s and 90s, you were told to not eat eggs or if you did throw the yolk away please because it's so terrible.

Starting point is 00:03:30 God forbid the cholesterol. I'm skeptical now. Yeah, yeah. They're doing something to them now. Yeah, maybe why are they saying eggs are good? And then they were kind of quiet about it for a while. By the way, meanwhile, all the fitness people, especially bodybuilders were like, you guys are crazy, eggs are good for you. Yeah. Um, said we're bad. Then they came out and said, man, they're

Starting point is 00:03:51 probably okay. And now they're like, yes, they're actually healthy. Um, and it is interesting that they encourage people to throw the yolk away, which is actually the most nutrient dense part of the egg. The egg white essentially is just protein. Yeah. The yolk is that what contains the choline. It's what contains most of the egg. The egg white essentially is just protein. The yolk is what contains the choline.

Starting point is 00:04:06 It's what contains most of the vitamins like the vitamin A, the omega-3 fatty acids. It's also most of the cholesterol. And the cholesterol, which dietary cholesterol has some interesting muscle building. That's the main reason. Why is healthy always the smell so bad? That's the main reason why they would say to throw it away. They said to throw it away because dietary cholesterol. Yeah, they thought oh, this is what makes your cholesterol grow up, which is not true. That's not what makes your cholesterol grow up. It doesn't cause problems.

Starting point is 00:04:29 There are very rare instances. Now, even the bodybuilders fell for that one for a while, or at least a while. They did, but at least in the off season they would eat full eggs because they would say, oh, I noticed an effect. It's funny because they did studies. We have really good studies now that compare egg whites to whole eggs and they control calories and protein and everything. The muscle protein synthesis signal, which is essentially the muscle building signal that happens from whole eggs, is quote unquote mysteriously higher with whole eggs, even if we control for macros and all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:05:01 I think it's the cholesterol. There's also great cognitive benefits from eating eggs. You look at the studies on children. Mothers when they're pregnant who eat whole eggs and children who eat eggs have improved cognitive performance and higher IQs. It affects your IQ, that's crazy. Probably due to the choline that's in eggs, which is arguably essential.

Starting point is 00:05:23 Most people would say it's not an essential nutrient, but I think it's essential because when you look at the data on consumed choline, you just see this boost in cognitive performance and health. And eggs are just, they're basically, they have everything in them. I mean, you could only eat eggs and get away with that for a little while, not encouraging that,

Starting point is 00:05:41 don't think that's a good idea, but they are nature's multivitamin, and they are great for fitness, great for fitness. I think there's such a, it's such a, I don't know if maybe I've just trained myself to be okay with eating this sort of, but leftover dinner with a couple scrambled eggs is like such a great breakfast.

Starting point is 00:05:58 Such a great breakfast. And eggs scramble so fast, so whatever, chicken, steak, fish, dinner, whatever you had the night before, like a smaller portion size of that, throw in an iron skillet and crack three eggs on it real quick, you're done in less than two minutes. You've got, I mean, faster than you could probably

Starting point is 00:06:17 microwave something, you've got a full blown breakfast now that's high in protein starting your day off. And I just think that that was one of the biggest challenges I personally had and I had, I saw my clients had with staying ahead of their protein count. Like if you got behind in the morning time, it was really difficult to hit your protein targets. And so finding strategies for clients to have high protein

Starting point is 00:06:40 breakfast was always key. But then a lot of those high protein breakfasts take a long time to make, right, because you're cooking up. Or people just think, oh, two eggs, which is great, but it's only 12 grams of protein, which is low for most people who are trying to hit protein targets.

Starting point is 00:06:57 Luckily for me, when I started working out, I became a student of just the history of muscle building, body building, and I read up Vince Garanda, who was like, he was like so ahead of his time in the 50s and 60s. And he advocated for 12 eggs a day for some of these guys, right? And he talked about how anabolic it was. So I identified this early on. And so if anybody wants to try this, if you're otherwise healthy, try eating eight or 10 whole

Starting point is 00:07:23 eggs a day, even control the calories, reduce calories somewhere else. It's anabolic. You'll get this muscle building effect that lasts like about five, six, seven weeks that's quite pronounced. And I think it's the dietary cholesterol. But nonetheless, when you go to buy eggs, is there a difference? Is there a difference between conventional free range and pasture, which are the three main categories.

Starting point is 00:07:45 So I have some of the regulations around those and what they mean. So I'll go through them first so we know what they are, right? So conventional eggs are essentially chickens that are in crates all the time. Anything goes, right. And they're fed grain or a vegetarian diet. Now keep in mind chickens are not vegan. No. Grain or they a vegetarian diet now keep in mind chickens are not vegan. No, that's not a natural diet Chickens in nature eat lots of grubs and bugs and stuff like that But they're fed just grain by the way the crates you guys want a big a crate is per chicken

Starting point is 00:08:15 They're vicious. It's tiny eight and a half by 11 inches. It's a sheet of paper So they're just in these little tiny crates can't move and then they just become egg making factories essentially Free range means that the chickens have access to outdoors doesn't mean they go outside But they have access to go outside and then pasture means that they're on 108 square feet of outdoor space per chicken plus barn space and They tend to eat a lot of bugs and worms because they can forage and eat. And they'll supplement their diet, but a lot of their diet comes from bugs and worms and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:08:50 Nutrient wise, there is a difference. So for anybody wondering, by the way, if you've ever had pasture eggs and you've eaten conventional eggs, they look different. When you crack the egg and you open it and put it on your pan Pasture raised eggs tend to have this like orangey Colored yolk whereas your conventional eggs tend to be really pale yellow, which I thought was growing up That was how eggs were supposed to look. Yeah yellow the first time I had a pasture raised egg I was like, oh what's something wrong with this? Yeah, like neon color. This is crazy Yeah, by the way side note fertilized eggs seem to have

Starting point is 00:09:25 color. This is crazy. By the way, side note, fertilized eggs seem to have anabolic growth factors within them and there's some supplement companies that have made supplements based off of fertilized eggs. So just a little side note, I don't have a lot of data to support that supports that. There's are a few studies, but if you're like one of those people that likes to nerd out on muscle building effects of things or whatever, look at fertilized eggs and the anabolic compounds that you'll find in them. There's cultures that eat that, right? They're so not, so fertilized egg is still an egg, it's just an egg, you're talking about an egg that's like developed.

Starting point is 00:09:53 Oh, I'm talking about like grown, yeah, developed like halfway. I remember, yeah, that was like a bit of a dare. Did you? Yeah, well it was. You eat the bones and everything? It was not pleasant, it was more of a haze than anything. Yeah. I just remember that was like a part of like this Asian market and they bought it.

Starting point is 00:10:13 It's a specialty. It was, yeah, delicacy. What's the name of it, Doug? Do you know what that's called? I don't know. I know the Vietnamese, so they eat these duck eggs and they have like a little duck embryo in there. That's what it was. Yeah, no, no. Fertilized eggs, they look like normal. They're just normal eggs. They're just fertilized. What was that supplement, years ago, that guy tried to get us to work with? Oh. And it came from fertilized eggs.

Starting point is 00:10:32 Manifor. Yes. Oh, I remember that. Yes. Oh my God, it takes it back. So there are anabolic compounds in fertilized eggs that seem to have these muscle building effects as well. So it's just another level,

Starting point is 00:10:43 if you kind of want to go that far with it. But nonetheless. Also, Doug made a point when we were talking about this the other day that I was unaware of that some of these companies are also using stuff to dye the color of the eggs. So it's not even that, you can't even just go off the way it's colored anymore because there's still. So feed them things specifically to make the color

Starting point is 00:11:02 of the yolk and not necessarily how it's supposed to occur. So the reason why they're more orange is they're higher in typically vitamin A, they're higher in vitamin E, talking about pasture eggs eggs, and they're higher in omega threes. They also tend to have higher vitamin D levels because the chickens are exposed to the sun.

Starting point is 00:11:22 Wow. So. I mean vitamin D and omega alone, that should be motivating for most people. Now some people are like, oh one egg versus another, it's not that big of a difference. Well yeah, if you only eat one egg. But if you eat eggs weekly or especially daily,

Starting point is 00:11:36 if you're somebody like me who can eat on average between five to 10 eggs a day, and I do this day in and day out, now it makes a big difference to go with the pasture eggs. I mean, I feel like this is the same conversation where we talk about grass-fed meat. It's like if you rarely ever eat grass-fed meat, though if you chew, I mean, rarely every steak or meat,

Starting point is 00:11:58 the difference between one steak, grass-fed versus one, it's like, okay, not a big difference, but if you eat steak on a regular basis, and over time, that's a massive difference. Yes, yes, 100%. So I always opt for pasture raised because I eat so many eggs and if you give them to your kids, I would say it's probably a good idea to go pasture. If you don't eat a lot of eggs, maybe it doesn't make that big of a difference, but... And most likely, anytime you buy it from or buy breakfast from a

Starting point is 00:12:24 restaurant, I'm assuming they're not going past. They're going conventional, it's cheaper. No, if they go past here, it'll say it on the menu. They'll literally list it that way. But yeah, it's higher. So you're eating nature's multivitamin, I think it's a good idea to go with the best source. But that's not to say that conventional eggs aren't healthy. Conventional eggs are still healthy. So even the worst ones are good for you. And then of course, there's another side to this which is a lot of people do care about the well-being

Starting point is 00:12:52 of the animals that we farm with. And chickens stuck in a crate that barely fits them, that doesn't sit well with me. Think of it like just sitting there. You get sick and then what? You gotta give antibiotics. And yeah, think of it like just sitting there. I think it's sick and then what? You got antibiotics. Antibiotics and yeah, it's just depressing to see. Well, isn't it, don't they say like all animals that they release stuff when they are like stressed?

Starting point is 00:13:13 Just this, yeah, it's a stressful environment. Yeah, so you got to think that changes the chemistry and the makeup. By the way, you know what's the other difference with pasture raised eggs is the integrity of the yolk. So I don't know if you, have you guys ever done this? If you crack two of them and you leave them there, you know how the yoke is just kind of sitting there and then press on the conventional one versus the pasture raised one and the pasture raised one is firmer with a stronger integrity versus the other one where it's just kind of, you know, blah and it falls apart. Yeah. so it does make a bit of a difference. Okay, I got an interesting study to bring up that Rhonda Patrick posted on X,

Starting point is 00:13:52 which I think is really interesting. She's been really, she's been quiet in the news at least. You remember how popular she was after the Joe Rogan boost? And she was like the hot topic for like a year. And then I just haven't heard. Huberman kind of took that spot I think. Yeah, I think so. You're right, it was because before Huberman

Starting point is 00:14:11 she was the one that everybody was kind of quoting and talking about and then I really haven't heard much. She always has good information. It's very heavy for sure. So this is, so this study that she's referring to is talking about the longevity connection with muscle power, not just strength, but actual power, right? The ability to generate force quickly.

Starting point is 00:14:33 In a recent study, older adults with normal and high levels of relative muscle power had better nine-year survival rates than older adults with low muscle power. It's even protective against death in older adults with high levels of body fat. Being fat and powerful reduced mortality just as much as being lean and powerful. So 43-45% ready for this? Here's where

Starting point is 00:14:59 it gets interesting, this is why I brought this up. Being lean and weak however provided no survival advantage compared. Being lean and weak, however, provided no survival advantage compared to being fat and weak. Oh wow. Lean and weak is very bad for you, just like being fat and weak. Now, okay, so is that like on all-cause mortality or is that because... This is just mortality. Because you obviously having a bunch of extra body fat for survival purposes is more beneficial, right? You throw a lean, weak person out and a weak fat person out in the middle of nowhere with no food, the person with all the extra body fat

Starting point is 00:15:36 is going to live longer. He's got storage. Are we talking about heart conditions and everything? It just says all cause mortality. Wow, interesting. Now I think you could argue obviously obesity past a certain point is just going to be bad regardless, but weak and skinny isn't great at all.

Starting point is 00:15:53 And here's where my mind went with that study. After I read that, I said, oh my God, is this what's going to happen with the misuse of GLP-1? For sure. Because what you see with GLP-1s, which by the way is not due to the GLP-1, I want to be clear here, GLP-1s don't make you weak, okay? But they do make you eat a lot less.

Starting point is 00:16:14 So if you take someone who's obese, who also has low muscle mass, which is more common than someone who's obese with a lot of muscle mass. In fact, it's, if there was a long time ago we dispelled the myth that being overweight meant you had more muscle. We actually found that, and we know this now as a fact, being overweight actually increases the odds of things like sarcopenia, muscle weakness,

Starting point is 00:16:36 and that kind of stuff. So you see when people go into GLP-1 who don't bump their protein intake and don't strength training is they just eat less. So they lose body fat, but they also lose muscle as the body tries to slow its metabolism down to match the new reduced caloric intake. So what we may be doing is just changing the problem, but it's still a problem. It just seems like a natural tendency, you know, because it's, it's like the

Starting point is 00:17:01 path of least resistance, like it's already been trained like Okay, so if I don't have to eat as much now like then I'm just gonna and I'm enjoying the benefits of losing weight You know to do work on top of that or to like add they don't really have the discipline to like add The food that they need to have the building blocks to maintain the muscle mass. It's just not a consideration I could totally see the mentality shifting from that to that extreme. Which is sad to me because what I've found through talking to people, if this is communicated properly

Starting point is 00:17:34 is more motivation to go to the gym when someone starts a GOP-1. You take someone who's struggled with losing 50 pounds, then they start the GOP-1, they start to lose weight. If you communicate to them properly, like look, when you do this, you need to lift weights and you need to get a protein intake because you'll lose weight, but you lose muscle and your health may not actually improve or maybe it

Starting point is 00:17:52 improves a little bit, but not that much because you lost so much muscle. And you communicate it properly. And then they start losing weight. They might be like, you know what, I'm motivated to work out. Actually, that's what I found. But what's happened is a lot of people aren't communicated to this. They go to the doctor, doctor goes, go on a GLP-1, we just gotta get you to lose the weight.

Starting point is 00:18:08 And the person doesn't realize that they maybe trade one problem for another. And this is kind of showing, like, skinny and weak, no protection over being fattened. So, it's a whole new problem. Yeah, this also highlights to me, because I know we talk a lot about processed foods as being like the big culprit for the obesity epidemic.

Starting point is 00:18:23 But then I think this really highlights that. And activity. Yeah. And also a lack of knowledge, right? Like I just, I think where maybe the resources should be focused in is maybe educating at a younger age. I think that that's what it is. It's just that it's not just this processed food that has been engineered to make you overeat. It's like, okay, even

Starting point is 00:18:46 if we solve that, either there was no processed foods or you create a drug that allows people or has people that don't want that anymore, GLP-1s, it sounds like we're going to be in the same situation still. It's a similar amount of people that are going to be unhealthy, but just for different reasons. We may improve. Both sides are avoiding the work, you know, at the end of the day, like it's, it's like, you know, if I have to like go train, if I have to like be disciplined about eating protein, that's still like a

Starting point is 00:19:17 discipline, you know, to, to, to absolve that, you know, it's misleading because it's like, I, I'm, I'm now like helping myself cause I'm losing weight, but you don't realize, you know, you's misleading because it's like, I'm now like helping myself because I'm losing weight, but you don't realize, you know, you still have to put the work in. I mean, I feel like the number one, and I feel like we've been screaming this since the beginning of starting this podcast is the most common thing that I found in all clients is the under eating a protein. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:40 I think that's become a bigger problem. I like, I wonder if you didn't change anybody's workout routines, anybody's activity, and you just doubled everyone's protein intake, how much that would solve less eating because of the satiation from that and how much more muscle they would build or retain because of that. We already have studies on that. There's a protective effect, especially as you get older from a higher protein diet, which is precisely because it's muscle sparing to anything.

Starting point is 00:20:07 But strength training is, look, you don't have to do a lot of it. One day a week, one day a week would stop the muscle loss. In fact, one day every two weeks would probably stop the muscle loss that occurs from getting older. So through good strength training though.

Starting point is 00:20:22 Okay. And on top of that kind kind of stay relatively active. But this is a big problem. This is a problem nobody's talking about. It's all about obesity, which is a problem. But being under muscle, not having enough strength, reducing the size, the health and the function of a very protective, for lack of a better term,

Starting point is 00:20:40 organ, musculature, your muscle, without protecting that, maintaining that, building that, you are not gonna be in a good place. You'll just be frail, which is what I'm afraid of. What I'm afraid of is you're gonna get a bunch of obese people to lose a bunch of weight from going to GLP-1, not strength train, not consider protein intake.

Starting point is 00:21:00 And they're just gonna be more frail. It's such a great and important conversation because even if this GLP-1 does what we think it's going to do, and you said what, one in three people you think are going to have taken one. I think it'll be more. It's not going to... We're going to have a new, arguably worse problem. And it makes sense because there's other factors that are exacerbating this too, with the introduction of AI and the outsourcing of work and activity that we're doing.

Starting point is 00:21:33 I mean, look at our own lives, just how much, I know how much more inactive I am today because of all these great things. Like, I mean, I wonder what from age, you know, five or whatever, the first time I went to the grocery store with my mom, to, I don't know, at least into my teenage years, early 20s, I still grocery shopped. I was like, how much steps and activity in a year is that I've completely eliminated now with delivery service?

Starting point is 00:21:58 And then when we have AI that's going to be able to do our dishes or our chores in our house, that was another thing. I still do that now today, right? That's one of the ways I get it. I trip out on that. Like, everything is becoming simulated. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:11 You know, like, to the next degree, every time we make advancements, innovations, it's like, now we have to simulate what we used to do for work. And what does that look like going forward, especially when, like, things become so easy? It's going to become a must foundation for everybody to not just whittle away completely. If we outsource all of the physical activities that we do, which we're just kind of blindly going that direction thinking that that's utopia, like let's get to the place where

Starting point is 00:22:40 we don't have to work and do anything, not realizing some of the consequences of that. And I think you're seeing that, and this is only going to accelerate it with GLP-1s, that people are going to be in what, how shitty a situation, like we solve the obesity thing and then we're just now in just as much of a problem. Now you can just like blow people over. Listen, you have very little muscle. You can be skinny, you're weak and you have little muscle. Your risk of diabetes is very high. You know, muscle is what makes you insulin sensitive. Your heart disease risk is still high. You know what actually really gets worse?

Starting point is 00:23:11 You may reduce some risks of other things, but you know what gets worse when you're skinny and frail is falling down, breaking something, injuring yourself. You take somebody who's over 65, who's frail, doesn't have good mobility, and they get hurt. Not even a major injury, just like I twisted my knee or my ankle. Now I have to kind of stay elevated for the next two or three weeks. Their health declines so fast. So fast. What are the stats with breaking hip after like 60, 70? I don't know, but it's not true. I remember seeing the-

Starting point is 00:23:46 It's the most common way people go, right? Oh, it's- It was like a rapid spiral. Fall and break your hip, die of ammonia, right? Yep, that's what my doctor clients used to tell me that all the time. Yeah, and again, this study kind of points to that, but muscle is so protective, and the good news is for people who are listening to this, it doesn't take a lot. It's so protective to strength train just one day a week.

Starting point is 00:24:09 You're not gonna look like a bodybuilder, you're not gonna be ripped doing one day a week, but it's so protective. You won't lose muscle. You will not lose muscle if you do decent strength training once a week, or if you do one exercise a day even, something like that, right?

Starting point is 00:24:22 Just a little bit of strength training will prevent the muscle loss that happens from aging. It'll prevent the deterioration process. This is why I like the comparison or analogy of investing because it's so much like that. It's like, of course, if you invest more and you do two, three days and you're consistent with that, you'll be set for life.

Starting point is 00:24:39 But there's compounding interest. But yeah, because there's compounding. But even just a little bit, I mean, putting something away, investing something is going to go a long ways, especially if you start early and consistently just do a little bit, and over time, maybe you do a little bit more, but even if you don't,

Starting point is 00:24:55 you've at least accumulated a lot more wealth than the person who decided not to do any saving or any investing whatsoever. Yeah. So I think it's a... So it's a... So here's where I'm positive about this is I think, I actually had this conversation with Mike Matthews.

Starting point is 00:25:12 I think recently through text, we were texting about, there was a study he sent talking about each generation's views of GLP-1s and younger generations like all four of it, you know, type of deal. And I think that this will probably get more people to strength train because I do believe this message will get out to most people. So I think this will be a net positive.

Starting point is 00:25:36 I also think if, again, if we communicate this properly, if doctors communicate this properly, you can actually trigger some motivation in somebody who has no motivation to work out by getting on a GP one and seeing some weight loss. Oh wow, I'm losing some weight. You know what? I think I will go to the gym. Yeah, that's definitely the optimistic view. I still stand by net positive. We discussed this at the very beginning of this exploding, and of course, we're skeptical at first, the more doctors that we talk to, more

Starting point is 00:26:05 of the positive studies that were coming out. But no way did I, I think any of us were blind to the negative outcomes that are going to happen. That's going to happen. It's inevitable. But I do believe it's going to be a net positive still. But boy, is it going to, I mean, it'll just get us to that point where maybe strength training will become this cornerstone

Starting point is 00:26:25 conversation in schools and doctors and like, we just need to get there. We're not there yet. We're not there to where- I think it's going to be the most mainstream form of exercise. It has to be. It's going to force us in that direction right now. How do we measure up, Sal, to other countries? With what? Just like where we're going with the GLP-1s and weak strength and stuff like that. Are we declining faster? Are other countries just as weak?

Starting point is 00:26:53 I think we have the greatest use or the greatest interest in use of GLP-1s of all the countries. We're obviously the most obese. We're the fattest too though. Yeah, we're the most in need of it. Well, I mean, we're also just the consumers in America. You want to be a billionaire, you sell your products in America.

Starting point is 00:27:11 Yeah, right, right. Health-wise, Europe was behind us, but now they're catching up very quickly. I know the UK obesity is very bad. I know Italy for a long time, this is where my family's from. They actually did really well for a while, but now, recent generations, the obesity rate has exploded at the moment. Now what do you think that is?

Starting point is 00:27:32 You think that has more to do with food, or are things changing activity-wise over there for them? There's two things, so the old countries, like Italy, a lot of the towns and cities are- Built on hills, and got to walk everywhere. And not even hills, it's just they're so old that walking is more common. It's more common, there's not a lot of suburbs

Starting point is 00:27:53 like you have in this massive... Makes more sense. Yeah, the second reason is they have a culture around food that is so strong that they reject processed foods and more so than most countries. Now they've really started to adopt them, but I know this, Italians are food snobs about their food. Like you go to a coffee shop and you ask for a latte

Starting point is 00:28:20 and you ask for soy milk, you're probably gonna get a dirty look. Like, no, that's not a latte. You know, something like that. They're kind of like that, right, with food. I remember McDonald's was like shunned. There was one town, I can't remember where it was near, where my dad was from, where people protested

Starting point is 00:28:33 because of McDonald's. But this was like, now I'm sure all over the place. So I think that's what protected them for a little while. But the obesity there is also, it's now taken off. So all these modern countries that adopt this lifestyle of living sedentary and having convenient food. And think about, I know we've not to bring up the old argument of the whole dishwashing and the moon stuff like that, but I think it's inevitable that that stuff's coming, right? And so, I mean, how far away are we from all of your,

Starting point is 00:29:06 I mean, I just sent this Instagram reel to Katrina, a bunch of these things that, these tools that exist that I didn't even know that were like automated robot cleaning stuff. They have this robot thing that you just stick on a window and it sprays and wipes and you just stick it on it and it does big windows. Yeah, I mean just random stuff like that

Starting point is 00:29:28 that we're creating that you automate and you don't have to do anymore. You know what this might do? I think it's already happened for some things. It might get people to realize that there's value sometimes in doing things just for the sake of doing them. You know what I mean? The reason why I don't believe that Sal is because simultaneously we also have this crazy increase of binge watching YouTube and Netflix. Well that's what I mean.

Starting point is 00:29:55 And so we're just replacing this extra time that we're creating from ourselves for more sedentary, distractive type of behaviors. Well that's what I mean. I think people might actually, hopefully, start to be like, you know what I mean. It's like, I think people might actually, hopefully, start to be like, you know what? This is actually, I feel worse. I'm gonna go garden. Or I'm gonna go wash my car by hand. I mean, I think you're right that

Starting point is 00:30:12 that's where we'll eventually end up. The question is, how long and how bad do we have to get before everybody kind of wakes up? And will this message that you're presenting be popular anytime soon? I remember there was a movie, it was a kids movie, which we've talked about before on the show, that I remember the first time I watched it,

Starting point is 00:30:31 I got depressed, it was Wally. Oh yeah. I remember watching that. They depicted that really well. Yeah, and you had all these kind of obese people in these little chairs just looking at the computer screen not talking to each other, and I remember feeling sad, like oh no, that's too close to real, like this is not good. That hit kind of on the money on that. It did, and then I went feeling sad like, oh no, that's too close to real.

Starting point is 00:30:45 Like this is not good. That hit kind of on the money. It did, and then I went to that year, so this was years ago, my oldest was just a little guy. We went to Disney World, and I remember there being traffic jams from people in those scooters. Well you'd see at the end of a ride,

Starting point is 00:31:01 first it'd be like one or two of those rascal scooters, and then you'd see like a line of them going all the way out. And it was just stacked up. Disney world. Wow. Disney world. Crazy. Yeah. Cause you got the South right there. It's crazy. I mean, that was my first, this year was my first time ever going there. And that is actually, uh, the first thing I noticed was, uh, I, I took a picture cause I was so low. There's like, there was a time where I'm sitting and we just I was waiting For Katrina to get a bathroom access in there and like just in my peripheral like you could see Just a sea of scooters. Yeah, just and and people with like, you know holding an ice cream and a big old big gulp

Starting point is 00:31:38 And I mean literally like wallet. Well, I mean it was it was so similar to that. It was eerie It was like oh my God, like, whoever probably created or wrote that probably got that from that. You know what I'm saying? They probably got that idea. They probably just hung out at the park. From looking. Yeah, no, totally.

Starting point is 00:31:53 I think they had to get it from that. What have we done to ourselves? Gosh, it's so crazy. It's so crazy, we try to organize our world by our whims and it's like, how long is it gonna take before we, it's so crazy because- It's numbing ourselves. Well, it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:32:10 You're numbing yourself with food, you're numbing yourself with distracting entertainment. Entertainment, entertainment, drugs. And you know, I think the part that I find, because I also don't, I'm not the other, like hardcore other way, like I wanna be Amish and have none of this stuff,

Starting point is 00:32:21 like, because here's where I find it like crazy, right? So like, this stuff. Like, because here's where I find it like crazy, right? So like this break for holiday, Max and I were doing a lot of Legos and that company's tech interaction with their Legos is so cool. Like the iPad for that, for him following along and learning and stuff is so cool that of course I wanna to use that tool.

Starting point is 00:32:46 It's helping him. So this hard part is, man, there's so many things that this great technology is doing for us as a species to move us forward in a positive direction, but then it has this other side that can rear its ugly head if you're not careful with how far you go with it. So it's learning that balance. Almost all damaging things come from something that can be derived and looked at as like, oh there's a good for sure. Oh there's a pleasure here or there's a there's a convenience here or there's an entertainment here. Well I saw a little bit of that with the AGI because you see how quickly people will be able to learn skills because

Starting point is 00:33:25 virtually you can especially like piano or like you can learn how to kind of build things and it takes you through that entire process like you're almost doing hands-on everything which they've never had that ability before so that's all gonna explode. Yeah the thing that the the conversation that these days that I have a lot of because I have have like, you know, I have four kids, but my two oldest are big gap between them and my younger ones. And when my older ones, the struggle was like, well, they're going to be different than their friends and their friends are doing this and I don't want them to stand out.

Starting point is 00:33:55 And then as I've gotten older, I'm realizing like, that's the point. You can't be like everybody. If you're like everybody, then it's not gonna be good. And the data's clear, it shows you. If you're like everybody, if you eat the way everybody does, if you move the way everybody does, if you read or watch what everybody watches, you're probably going to be unhealthy physically

Starting point is 00:34:18 and mentally and spiritually. You have to literally be, you have to be weird. I so agree with that so strongly and passionately that the part of, I totally believe that I played a role in fostering Max's whole, like, into Bowser and the bad guy and stuff like that because it was so unique and different and I saw that so early.

Starting point is 00:34:39 I remember when we first saw that and Katrina was like, I don't like that he likes all the bad guys. I'm like, I love it. Yeah, let him get used to being different. That's right. I like, I don't like that he likes all the bad guys. I'm like, I love it. I love it. That's right. I said, I want him to be different and I want him to be comfortable and excited about being different.

Starting point is 00:34:52 I don't want to push him like, oh, like Mario because everybody else likes Mario. It's like, yes, that's so cool that you like this and nobody else does. Daddy loves that. And so I think it's such a good exercise if you find opportunities like that in a kid, because he doesn't know what I'm fostering really. He's just, he's into this guy for whatever reason.

Starting point is 00:35:11 But the more I can push him into that direction of like, yeah, who cares that no other kid, you know, shows up on Halloween with a Bowser. You're the only person who's that guy. Like a daddy loves that. Like so, curging that. You know what's important too around that? Maybe not specifically that, but with just along that that along

Starting point is 00:35:28 those lines it's so important as a parent that because you'll feel so isolated let's say your kid eats healthy and they go to a normal school no they're gonna be like alone so it's so important you find other like-minded people with kids so you have like support and you have a community otherwise it's they're gonna be like if you have a kid let's say you have a like I have a 15 year old daughter right and she gets a grand total of five minutes on social media her phone is limited that's it five minutes total now what can you even do in five minutes that's it is that really the day that real swear to god you guys give her five

Starting point is 00:36:03 minutes she does and her phone phone won't lock her out. She can't get more than five minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We set it up that way. Oh my God. Now if we didn't have people around us with kids who had similar restrictions, she would be isolated.

Starting point is 00:36:15 She would be upheld, battle, constant. My friends get to do this. But then she's like, oh my other friend's not even allowed on social media. Or I have another. So it's so important to surround yourself with people as a parent. Otherwise you're, it's like being a fitness person.

Starting point is 00:36:27 Imagine if you were the only person that ate healthy and worked out and you're always around, it'd be uncomfortable, you'd feel isolated. But then you hang out with your friends who are into it and it's like okay, everybody gets it. Yeah, I think that is so true. I also think the education process, right?

Starting point is 00:36:42 I'm not there yet, so we'll see. But I have a plan for how I'm not there yet, so we'll see, but I have a plan for like how I'm going to tackle the phone thing. And everybody has this like, you know, oh, I think this age or that age. And I think everyone's in a grants, the longer you can wait, the better, but who knows what happens when your friends all have it, this and that. And I want to believe that I've raised Max good to when it comes to like listening to mom and dad and being patient and things like that. And I think what I'm going to do when that day comes is I have three books that I want

Starting point is 00:37:11 him to read. And then after he reads them, he has to basically write me a report on why he should have a phone. And I think if he goes through that process, then he'll understand why I have the parameters on it. And if you really want that phone, he'll go through the work to do that. And if he's mature enough and actually will read those books and actually sit there and do that, then maybe I should reward him with that. And then, but still

Starting point is 00:37:34 with restriction, but understanding that. So that's kind of the process that I plan to do with him is that- If it's even phones by that time. I know, right. I'm all prepared for it. Then it's like nothing to do with that or whatever with that. But I think- No, I get the whole strategy. I still think the strategy plays a same, right? Maybe it's a different thing that I have to tackle, but I think educating them on the reasons

Starting point is 00:37:55 why I want to put restrictions and parameters, and not just from me educating, telling them, but them reading and learning about it, so they have a better understanding of why dad doesn't want you to be buried in this thing for tons of hours because of all these potential outcomes. Now you understand why. I'm not just being a tyrant father saying, no, you can't because I said so, or because daddy thinks it's bad. No, it's like, listen, read the studies or read what we've learned for having these tools for this long and what's happening. And do you still think you

Starting point is 00:38:24 want one or need one, and then if you do, you understand why daddy just isn't gonna give you unfettered access that I want you to only have these. So I just think that that approach will help. Do I think it'll be easy? I don't think so. You know, nothing's been easy,

Starting point is 00:38:38 but I do think that that is a better strategy than just telling you can't. Earlier we were talking about protein. I gotta say this, man. And I know I said this about Paleo Valley's chocolate bone broth. Their salted caramel is even, it's ridiculous. It's another level.

Starting point is 00:38:54 So you asked. I almost don't believe that it doesn't have sugar. It's so. It's a dessert, dude. I use it like at night, too. I've never had a protein powder that tasted that good, ever. So it's ridiculous. You brought, you asked me, and not only do we use it all the time, I've actually got a protein powder that tasted that good ever. So I'm ridiculous you brought you asked me and not only do we use it

Starting point is 00:39:06 All the time. I've actually got my family on it because I introduced to them adding it to coffee that salt It doesn't even taste like it's it like it's like it doesn't taste like you're drinking a protein powder No, it tastes like you drink and I and I've done I've done protein powder I've done seasons of my life or that was like a thing where I was putting protein powder, and I just, I like coffee too much that I felt like it was ruining my coffee. This does not taste that way. It actually goes perfect.

Starting point is 00:39:33 Yeah, that's a hard thing to do. A lot of people have tried it, it's just like, ugh. If you give it to someone, I'll make this statement right, you give it to someone who doesn't even know you put protein powder, they'll think you put a sweetener in there. This is what Katrina did to my sister-in-law. So she offered her one time, she's like,

Starting point is 00:39:48 oh God, no, don't do that. And so Katrina's like, okay. Then she was at our house over the holidays and she made coffee for everyone and she put it in there and she just didn't tell her. And she's like, oh my God, what is this? What are you doing? She's like, I put that protein in there.

Starting point is 00:40:00 Yeah, it was so good. She was like, no way, right after that then she sent her home with a bunch of it. So no, it's definitely a very cool hack. And like Justin's point, I've tried to punch that and I've never been consistent with it because I've never liked it, but it's actually really good. It's also the easiest to digest. I could do 70 gram shot of protein from there. Nothing. It's like water. Yeah, it doesn't affect your gut. Not at all. Zero. Dude, so I'm totally into this new,

Starting point is 00:40:26 it's just a game, but I'm like, you know how pickleball took off? I'm like, this is gonna be the next thing, dude. Jazz mitten. What? You guys never heard of it? Assuming it's bad mitten with jazz music? Just jazzed up a bit.

Starting point is 00:40:42 Yeah, it's a terrible name, but- It's a tackle bad mitten? Yeah, it's like, dude but tackle badminton. Yeah, it's like that. It's like a dude. We even play inside my house. So there's you set up. It's this big square and you're supposed to hit it inside the square. I've seen this on Instagram. You guys actually bought it. Yeah. Oh, you did. Dude. It's so fun. Oh, because it has these like, is it so tight, tight quarters? They're

Starting point is 00:41:04 shuttlecock shooting the shuttlecocks through the square, right? Yeah Yeah, yeah, it's just like a paddle. It's like a mix between beach, you know paddle Yeah shuttlecocks. That's what they're called. Yeah, okay, we could we could that's fine play on words with that all day That's okay. So you actually I was I actually looked into like getting this so you got it. It's fun Yeah, yeah We get it for Christmas or wait for Christmas and then we were just like, you know messing around I was like cuz Courtney got I was like That's a really bizarre Thing and then me and the kids got real competitive with it and it doesn't fly very far

Starting point is 00:41:36 So it's like, you know, you're not gonna it's a close quarters damage. It's very close quarters, but it's like I like this It's very requires. It's a's like, I like this. It's very requires. A lot of move mineral lateral movement. So I got, okay, exactly bro. You're, you're, you're the carnival game. Your Instagram. Yeah, I know. Sal would probably be really good at it. Your Instagram is probably the same as mine as far as like the stuff we're getting. Yeah. Cause I, I, there's a lot of actually, that's like a new thing. Like all these little, you know, that's where I got the basketball idea right with the basketball with the

Starting point is 00:42:06 the the buckets I from yeah from like basketball There's a bunch of these games that they've made there's like there's a golf one that I've seen where you like hit out like a Wiffle golf ball and you and it's velcro and you hit it up on it Uh-huh, there's a lot of these little games that they've come up with been really innovative Yeah as of late with a lot of these like outdoor kind of games and stuff. So another one that was cool that we got was called like a gibbon board, I believe, but it's a huge, almost looks like a snowboard, but on the top it's like with a slack line. So you know how people like balance on a slack line? So I mean, they try and like wrap in this whole fitness like angle with it

Starting point is 00:42:50 But we were just like I was like, yes, it's kind of weird. But it was a cool-looking board. It's like this actual gibbon like Monkey, but anyways, it's so we all tried it's hard because it's slackline like balance and It just became a competitive thing with that too And of course Ethan's the best because he's the one still doing gymnastics and was just able to like, forever. I'm like, I like the Jasmine. Yeah. You'd like the jazz.

Starting point is 00:43:13 I'm actually considering getting one. That's what it does. Play this video of it. It looks really fun. And that's okay. So it's great. I'm assuming the score is if you, the way you score is if it hits the ground or the person can't get it through the square.

Starting point is 00:43:26 Yep. So you have to stay in the square the whole time. You gotta stay in the square. Yeah. I think I'll play that. There's one game I see at the beach sometimes. It's the one where you slap the smash ball. Is that what that's called? That one looks like fun. Yeah, I've never played that. I've seen people play all the time. But that one requires a little bit of lateral movement. Oh yeah, there's definitely more athleticism in that one than probably this. You gotta do some mobility ahead of time for that. So this one is slack, you actually stand on it

Starting point is 00:43:50 and you try and practice balancing on a line? Yeah, I was surprised a big dude like me could, you know, I didn't break it. Well, you know, well, because you got the good solid kinkles that prevent the movement. I got a little stability. But I finally, I mean I beat Everett doing it. Did you?

Starting point is 00:44:09 Yeah. I hope he listens to this one day. Totally smashed his record. That's great. Dude, I'm at the age now, can I just tell you guys, I'm sure you guys will identify with this, I'm at the age now where I get hurt and I don't know what I did. I don't know what I did.

Starting point is 00:44:28 That's why I'm doing all this stuff. I don't know what happened. I woke up the other morning. Okay. Just hurt somewhere. My, my hip. What? And of all places too, that's like the old person injury.

Starting point is 00:44:40 My hip and I'm like moving weird. I'm like, what did I, I didn't even work out my leg. I did nothing. I slept., what did I I didn't even work on my leg. I did nothing Yeah, I slept. Yeah, and I woke up with an injury Courtney would be like adding all kinds of oh my god I have so many hip like complaints dude as of late for like five days I was like for it first day. I was like It'll be gone day two. I'm like, this is not going away day three I'm like do I have like what what's going on here? And then I looked at Jessica. I'm like, maybe I cancer cuz that's

Starting point is 00:45:04 how not going away. Day three I'm like, what's going on here? And then I look to Jessica, I'm like, maybe I have cancer because that's how it is. Maybe I had a tumor. Yeah, you know, I have more since. It's almost gone now though. So I don't know what I did. I don't know what I did. I was squatting while sleeping. I don't know what I did. I noticed more issues. So I mean, you're super consistent. So you probably can't test this as much as I'd, I'm probably the most inconsistent out of us, right? Where I have phases where I'm hardcore, then I'm off, hardcore, off. And any time I fall off for a week or two, that's when I notice all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:45:32 I actually- Well, that makes sense. My low back starts bothering me. Like, I get more bothered by like chronic pain when I'm not training. When as long as I'm training, even if it's low volume, low frequency, once or twice a week, just good, but give myself two weeks off,

Starting point is 00:45:48 and that's the first stuff I start noticing, is I'll be doing something, I'll be doing something, and my low back is just like, fried, killed, yeah, over some stupid little stuff, and I'm like, man, such a good reminder, you know? I have no, I wish I had a camera on me while sleeping. What the hell was I doing? Maybe I got up and just started doing karate.

Starting point is 00:46:04 It's usually hip thrusts. Hey, have you got, hey, by the way, have you got rid of the cameras yet? camera on me while I was sleeping. What the hell was I doing? Maybe I got up and just started doing karate. Yeah. Hey, have you got, hey, by the way, have you got rid of the cameras yet? I was giving Katrina a hard time. The cameras of the kids. In my four year old's room, we don't have it anymore. Oh, you have got rid of it. Yeah, we got rid of it.

Starting point is 00:46:16 I mean, no, we have a camera. I'm trying to break my wife. No, no, let me back up. We do have a camera in there. We only put it on if we're not home. If we're not home. I was gonna say if we're not in the room, like that's pretty much all that's happening. No, only put it on if we're not home. If we're not home. I was gonna say if we're not in the room, like that's pretty much all that's happening.

Starting point is 00:46:27 No, no, no, if we're not home and someone else is putting them down, then we'll have it on. But otherwise we close it, so we don't even have a monitor that listens for sound in this room. Now my two year old, we do, because she's two. So she'll wake up and yeah, let us know. Yeah, for sure, breaking my wife is the hardest part of that.

Starting point is 00:46:45 I know. Is getting her to let go of that. You just wait till, yeah, what is she gonna do when he's a teenager, is she gonna keep it on? Well, I know, that's why I'm like, I mean. That'll stop real quick. So if you say, if you tell her that, she likes coughs. Of course not, but it's like, okay, well.

Starting point is 00:46:57 Because he's five. Yeah, I know. Was it seven then? Is it nine? Like what age are you thinking? Like when has it become not okay to do that? Yeah, because he could just come out and tell you guys, or yell from his room. Yeah, you do all the things You can open doors communicate

Starting point is 00:47:10 There's no reason it's only her it says nothing to do with him There's nothing in there You know what put one in your bedroom from when you're not home or not around and she'd be like, why do you have this in here? I just want to make sure you Yeah, I mean I just don't look what I don, oh, you don't like to be watched? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I just don't, what I don't know is what that, what kind of, you know, repercussions from doing that for too long could be.

Starting point is 00:47:33 And I just would rather not test. Well, he knows, he's fine, he knows there's a camera. He'll talk to the camera. That's the repercussion. Is that he always thinks mom and dad's watching him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when he wants something, he can be like, could you send daddy in here?

Starting point is 00:47:44 He's like, Yeah. Get dressed up. Yeah, tell, yeah. So when he wants something, he can be like, could you send daddy in here? He's like, yeah. Get dressed up. Tell him himself. Replace him with one of those little intercoms. So he can do that, yeah, request. Could you bring me my water, please? He's like, no, bro. I'm hungry.

Starting point is 00:47:54 Hey, did I tell you guys what I got, one of the gifts I got for Christmas? Actually, one of the best gifts I ever got, because it was thoughtful. So my wife hates buying presents for me. She's like, it's your money. I don't like buying presents for you. I'm like, honey, it's our money.

Starting point is 00:48:06 But she's like, I don't know what you want, you get whatever you want. But anyway, she did a great job. She got me a mini fridge for the room so I could put my peptides and stuff in there. I'm so happy about that. That's a great gift. That's a great gift.

Starting point is 00:48:16 So now I have like a little area. That's a really good gift. With my, I got my peptide. Now I got one with all your stuff. It looks like a guitar amp, yeah. Really? Yeah, same thing. That's a great gift. Did you guys see what I got, Max? Did you a guitar amp. Yeah, really? Yeah, same thing. No, that's a great kid You guys see I got max. Did you see his the Bowser of the Bowser Jersey? Yeah

Starting point is 00:48:31 That was all framed. Oh nice. Oh, it's so cool. I even know they had a Bowser Jersey I mean the shout out to Steve right who does who gets my jerseys for me so that he's so talented so good He does all this stuff like sick creates all this stuff and so good. And I thought- Was he excited about it? So that was the thing I was most worried about. Like Katrina- Yeah, cause he can't play with it.

Starting point is 00:48:50 Yeah, he's five, right? So it's just like, you know, and it's not a small gift. It's like a big deal, right? That was his big Santa gift. And all I thought about was like, oh man, like this is going to suck when, you know, he's like, oh cool dad doesn't really care. Or can I open it and put it on?

Starting point is 00:49:04 Yeah. And so, no, cool, dad, doesn't really care. Or can I open it and put it on? Yeah. And so no, I have a video, actually. I'll share the video so people on YouTube can see. But he opened it. And it was like, I totally was so happy that he did. Katrina's like, do you like it? And he's like, I like it. I don't like it.

Starting point is 00:49:18 I love it. And he's like, oh, yeah, dude, he loves it. So yeah, he's into it. It was cool. That was his big gift from Santa. But of course, we got him like, oh yeah, dude, he loves it. So yeah, he's into it. It was cool. That was his big gift from Santa. But of course we got him, Santa also got him a train Lego set with it. You know, I tell you what, I'm so impressed with,

Starting point is 00:49:37 you know that Lego is a privately owned company. Privately owned company, I believe it's worth 14 or $16 billion. Wow. How many companies do you know that are- Are privately owned company I believe it's worth 14 or 16 billion dollars. Wow. How many companies do you know that are privately owned and in the tens of billions of dollars do you know any I don't know any other. Yeah. Do you know any of the collabs with major brands they've done so clutch still stayed you know independent like that. That that that Mario one they've done recently is

Starting point is 00:50:01 probably one of the most I mean I wish I had that when I was a kid I would have gone crazy. They have they've bled me dry yeah because it just it's also great it's great learning well that's why it's your dad's why it gets me because it's like it's so good for him yeah I mean he's quiet interact our doing it learning it's good for dexterity I mean it's good for so many things and so and the fact that he loves it's like I'm such a sucker for oh we built what's the next one you know I'm saying and so, and the fact that he loves it, it's like, I'm such a sucker for, oh, we built, what's the next one? You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:50:27 And so they just will you and they will you. And they made them interactive now, right? You know how they all- You told me about that. Yeah, yeah, so they all have like- You can like build your level and he goes through the whole thing. Yes, they have a little QR things on it that scan it.

Starting point is 00:50:37 And then they interact with different stuff. And they all interact with all the other pieces. So like, once you buy the main one that has the speaker, whatever the little Mario or Luigi or whatever main character is and you build him, it interacts with every other one that you buy in the future. So I mean it's just a smart way to keep the kids like wanting more of them.

Starting point is 00:50:56 We got Aurelius, you know you get these flashes of like, oh that's definitely my kid. You know what he wanted for Chris, and he got what he wanted, but he wanted an ant farm, he wanted a telescope, and a rock polisher. Hell yeah. Oh you had a rock polisher? Have you started it yet? Yeah dude it takes a month. I know. Okay. I'm not exaggerating. It is. It takes a month. Yes. You put the rocks in. It's like three three-week phases. Processes. But he's all psyched about it. He was all psyched about it and it's we have it in the garage running and he goes out there.

Starting point is 00:51:25 His Ampharm, he'll just watch it. He'll just sit there and watch it and like, oh, ba-ba, they're building something over here. Yes. I think these guys are fighting over that. Endless entertainment. And then the telescope. You put spiders in there.

Starting point is 00:51:35 Oh, what? Why? Because you watch them tear it apart. Shut up. Yeah, they all getting up on him. Swear. Yes. So I could put a spider in it?

Starting point is 00:51:43 Absolutely, dude. Oh my god, he'll lose his mind. He will. He will lose his mind. We did that all day long. Oh, I'm gang up on him. Swear. Yes. So I could put a spider in it? Absolutely, dude. Oh my God, he'll lose his mind. He will. He will lose his mind. We did that all day long. Oh, I'm doing that for sure. I was the best.

Starting point is 00:51:50 We were always introducing other variables in there. How are they gonna react? Put a little yellow jacket in there. Hell yeah, dude. It's like gladiator games. Am I dumb? That's great. Did I tell you, oh, I didn't tell you guys

Starting point is 00:52:04 what my 15 year old said. So tell you, oh, I didn't tell you guys what my 15-year-old said. So she said, hey, she says, bye-bye, you know what everybody at my school is wearing? I said, what? Viore. Oh, wow. It's high school level? All the, she's like, they're, man.

Starting point is 00:52:15 They've made it, man, they're official now. Viore is now, like, that's what the kids want. Wow. Not the other, not the other. I wonder if you got any new articles. I haven't seen anything lately, but I'd love to see the comparison of Lulu, how much they've caught up. Well, Lulu's still huge.

Starting point is 00:52:30 I mean, they're massive and a huge head start. But I tell you what, Viore has been taking a big chunk of that market share for a while now. I know. So it's getting. But to hear that from my daughter, she's 15. So this is high school. And a girl, because they really went after the male market first.

Starting point is 00:52:45 I mean that was like they did the flip of Lulu which was such a brilliant strategy right? Like Lululemon did the whole go for women yoga pants first and then they have like a small men's line. Viore saw oh here's a great I'll go for the men and then we'll flip it and do the girls. You got any stats on them? Well the valuation for Lulu is 46 billion. Wow. I think Viore's four to six. I'm not sure which is Okay, so they're ten times bigger but Viori just yeah, it's just ten years ago was nothing right there while It's huge. Yeah, Viori's quality is is I think light years ahead of I have stuff from Viori that we got. These pants are like five years old.

Starting point is 00:53:25 And they don't pill, you know, like the other stuff will pill or whatever. No pilling. Looks like it's brand new. Five years later and I wear it every single day. Their stuff is just next level. I think what's happened is I think Lou Lemon came out the gates early.

Starting point is 00:53:41 They were the first. And they were known, I mean come on, they were the first like, you know, $100 yoga pants. They were the first. And they were known. I mean, come on. They were the first $100 yoga pants. They didn't even exist before then. So they introduced that athleisure wear market of clothes that you could wear to the gym and then also wear out. And so they started that market.

Starting point is 00:53:55 So of course, they have a good grip of it. But then I feel like their stuff is leveled or even dipped as far as the quality and with the innovation. Popularity, maybe. And I think Ve'O has just been taking taking a piece out of that every year. So it's cool to see that happen. All right, I want to give so 1998 was Lulu. So that's that company's been around. When was Viori founded?

Starting point is 00:54:16 Do we question? 2000 and much later, much later, way later. Yeah, they were really early when we when we got ahold of them. Yeah. I mean, 10 10 years 12 years. Yeah, what is let's see if you're 2015 2015 Wow They went to 4 billion in 10 years. Yeah Five point five billion five point five billion. Okay, so that's crazy. Yes I mean, it's only a matter of time. That's a skyrocket at this point It's just it's just a matter of time before they's a skyrocket. Yeah. At this point, it's just a matter of time before they take a bigger chunk out of them.

Starting point is 00:54:49 Wow. I wanted to give a shout out to an Instagram page. It's actually a supplement company. We don't work with them. You're going to shout that page out? I am, dude. Oh my God. We were enjoying their videos. Bro, their ads.

Starting point is 00:55:00 Is it dangerous for you to shout some company out of that and know very little about them? The ads. I'm going to caution our listeners until we further, we know more information. Well, that's an early shout out guy. They send us some products. I don't know. Listen, I've seen now 15 videos on the Instagram. They shot out. Kill me. They actually kill me. They're hilarious. It's a, what was it?

Starting point is 00:55:19 Stiff lip. Is it, is it, is that what the name of it? Let me, let me, let me look it up. I think it's stiff lip pre-workout or something like that, but their ads are just stiff lip sups Siphon their ads are it's a little the humor is like whatever Military guys. Yeah, I'm curious to see how the how the they how they taste so we'll see when they oh they're there Yeah, cuz to me it has to taste decent for that to me I just like the ads I just think they're brilliant hilarious ads they're so funny really funny mphormones.com get your hormone levels checked get on testosterone replacement

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Starting point is 00:56:26 First question is from Kathy Steinhilb. What is the best exercise to really target my rear delts without the upper back taking over? Oh, so first let's talk about the value of developing the rear delts from an aesthetic perspective. So the rear delts are important for stabilizing the shoulder. It's the back of your shoulder. Um, functional reasons.

Starting point is 00:56:48 Yeah, it's functional. It protects the shoulder joint from, you know, throwing or swinging. Um, and you want that balance. You want that strength, but from an aesthetic point of view, a well-developed rear delt will do more to give your shoulders that round look than any other part of the shoulder. Really it's true. Everybody thinks it's the side delt. That's the side delt will do more to give your shoulders that round look than any other part of the shoulder. Really, it's true. Everybody thinks it's the side delt. The side delt's important, so is the front delt, but it's the rear delt that

Starting point is 00:57:10 gives you that real nice shoulder look, especially from the side. There's a full line that goes across. That's right. Now, the best exercise that I've found is the one that's most commonly done. The problem is everybody, not everybody, a lot of people do it wrong. They perform it wrong. A rear fly. Now, if you don't want to involve the back muscles, because it could easily turn into almost a row, you keep the elbows out, you roll your shoulders forward, do not retract

Starting point is 00:57:34 the scapula. It's a very short movement. This is a rear delt isolating fly. If I start to bring the scapula back, now I come back further and I involve the back. It feels weird because it's such a short range of motion but yeah you really have to keep it to that. So I have a lot of thoughts and opinions about this because it was a major focus for mine for a long time and I find that the best exercise would be like a rear delt fly. The problem with it done free weight wise, which free weights typically are phenomenal, is it's such a short range of motion where the rear delts really kick in

Starting point is 00:58:08 that it doesn't give people a lot of time to focus on that and since it's such a very meticulous weight is really only heavy at the top that's right so i find cables are far better for this especially when it comes to the teaching once you've learned how to activate the rear delts really well then heavy dumbbell rear flies are incredible to do and I love doing them. But teaching somebody, I love to go really light on cables and I've done a YouTube video on this because my favorite movement is the cable kind of pull through is where you do a rear delt single fly one side at a time. Yeah, one at a time, real lightweight and I'm taking it in the stretch position so I feel the rear delt stretch and the whole time I'm thinking about it. And then I get a squeeze at the, at the end and I'm flying out, not back. And I, and with a lightweight, full range like that, constant tension on it, it seems to

Starting point is 00:58:54 be one of the best movements that I can teach clients on how to activate the rear delt really well. Then I could take them to other movements that I think are phenomenal for rear delts. And you do things like upright rows and you can do things like rear dumbbell flies. Cable. Cable. You can do all kinds of stuff for them that are great. Pull aparts. But the key is really learning how to do that and it's so easy for the bigger muscles.

Starting point is 00:59:17 Go light is the key here because you add too much weight. You'll do the movement but then it becomes a back exercise. That's what ends up happening every time. So go real light. Like, I mean, I could go as heavy as 45, 50 pound dumbbells for rear flies. But if I really want to feel my rear delts and I really want to isolate them, it's like 20 pounds. I've done several videos on our mind pump TV YouTube channel about rear delt

Starting point is 00:59:42 stuff and the cues and the exercises that I like in there. So if you haven't looked at that, go to the Mind Pump TV channel. Next question is from Kat M. Sherman. What do I do if reverse dieting never works and I just continuously gain fat above 1800 calories? Okay, so the most common reason why this will happen to you is it has more, has almost everything to do with your workouts. If you are training properly and appropriately and you're getting stronger and building muscle,

Starting point is 01:00:12 then the reverse diet will work because it's going to muscle and the metabolism is speeding up. If you're over training or just doing tons of cardio or not strength training and you're just bumping your calories, you're going to gain body fat. You're going to gain body fat because it's not going to muscle, it's not going to the fast metabolism. That's the most common reason why this happens. And I would say it's probably 85 or 90% of people who experience this, that's why.

Starting point is 01:00:35 I would agree with that. And I'd say the other 15% are eating in a surplus. Let's say that they are actually following a good program, they're following a MAPS program and they're still complaining of this, then normally what the problem is, is they're eating in a surplus but they're not hitting their protein intake. So I'll have clients that are like, okay, we're reverse dieting, okay, I've got this great program, but they, oh, but I still have such a hard time hitting my protein intake. And it's like, you're sending a great signal because you got a great program to build muscle, you're reverse dieting like you're supposed to, signal because you got a great program to build muscle. You're reversed-hiding like you're supposed to,

Starting point is 01:01:05 but then you're not hitting your protein. And the protein is the building blocks for building the muscle. And if you don't do that and you just eat in a caloric surplus, there's a very good chance that those additional calories just get partitioned over to building fat. So that is the problem.

Starting point is 01:01:21 Normally it's one or the other, or a combination of the two that cause people to not see the results. There is a small percentage of people that have hormone issues where that can also contribute to this. That would be the next one I would say. So it's like low testosterone

Starting point is 01:01:35 or your progesterone estrogen are off, your thyroid is low. That can also play a role in your inability to speed up your metabolism through a reverse diet. But vast majority of times, you're just not properly strength training. If you're reverse dieting and not getting stronger, it's your strength training.

Starting point is 01:01:50 If you're reverse dieting and just doing tons of cardio, it's not gonna work. If you're overtraining, not gonna work. Has to be appropriate, and if you build muscle, then it will work. Next question is from EFN Coaching. If you had to pick a way to build a hybrid trainer business from the ground up with multiple revenue streams, how would you do it?

Starting point is 01:02:09 Yeah, first off, look, this is how I would do it today. So if I, and I'm gonna rep us, and yes, I know I'm a little biased, but it's also objectively true. If I became a trainer today, the resources that you have available to you are pretty amazing. We didn't have these resources when we started as trainers. We didn't have almost any resources.

Starting point is 01:02:33 But today, if I were to start out as a trainer, first thing I would do is get our course. The course that we have developed answers all these questions in depth. You get to hear three guys that did this for two decades and were successful at it before we ever started a podcast. And we break this down on what to do, whether you start in a big box gym or private studio or online or whatever, where to start first, what's going to work, how long it should take, what the process looks like. I mean, we break it down for you.

Starting point is 01:03:02 So that, that would be the first place that would start. what the process looks like. I mean, we break it down for you. So that would be the first place that would start. Now to be more specific, start, the best place to start in my opinion, in my strong opinion, as a trainer would be in a big box gym. You work for the big box gym.

Starting point is 01:03:17 You learn from their systems. You get their leads, because that takes a while to learn how to do. And you get experience working in a busy big box gym and start there and master that before you ever consider doing anything else. I think if you start out thinking you do five different things at one time and you haven't done any of them, it's your first time, and you're like, I'm going to do four different things.

Starting point is 01:03:38 I'm going to master social media, online training, training people in person, you're probably going to fail at all of them. Start in the big box gym, kick ass there, then look at the next step. I mean, there's still the paralysis by analysis. A lot of times I think that we try to give really good advice, but you have to just get going and you have to iterate and then you have to obviously

Starting point is 01:03:58 go for the resources that are gonna help you succeed. And I do look like at our courses is the closest thing you're going to find to a virtual mentorship. And that's something that I found a lot of value in is really like shadowing other really qualified trainers and learning and really observing them and watching how they interact with their clients and picking up a lot of their business habits. It's just so invaluable to peer into that and learn from somebody else. But really, I mean, for me, what I've seen the most is just, you got to put it in, you got to get going, and you got to iterate as you go. Trey Lockerbie I mean, this is all the stuff that we address in our course, but let's say this person

Starting point is 01:04:43 doesn't get that and the things that I would tell this person. I would start in-person training and I would also start social media, so Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, whatever, and all the posts that I would do would be related to my client that I'm helping out. So the idea is I'm getting practice by training people in person.

Starting point is 01:05:05 I'm building content that's going to support and add value to my one or five clients that I have, which also serves as I'm hopefully going to attract other people that are like the people I'm already helping. So I've already proven that I can help those type of people. And so I'll slowly try that. It also works as a litmus test of how you would build an online business because if you're putting out content and nobody's paying attention to you for free, you're certainly not going to be able to sell people online any sort of training program or anything you have to offer until you first prove that. Then I would go through Mindpump's

Starting point is 01:05:41 top 100 YouTube videos that have got that have already gone viral and have seen you know a hundred thousand or millions of views and then I would watch them and then I would use that as a way to steer my content and I just put in my own words I would listen to what those three knuckleheads had to say that made it go viral and oh that's really good information my values align with them as a coach and as a trainer. Let me learn to put in my own words and say that. One, that helps me learn because I listened, I watched it. I then regurgitate it, which means it's just going to,

Starting point is 01:06:13 hopefully, concrete into my own mind and become my own ideas and gives me good practice. And then I'm using them as a litmus test because they've already gone out and created tens of thousands of pieces of content. And there's ones that have done great and ones that haven't done so great. The ones that have done great tells me that more people want to hear that information. And so I would build my online content around ours.

Starting point is 01:06:34 I mean, I tell trainers this all the time. I think it's crazy that you try and reinvent the wheel or do something different when you have guys like us that have already kind of paved the way. And we encourage trainers to use our programs, to use our content. I mean our goal was always to elevate the space and so we're not trying to hoard our information or say oh don't copy us, don't use our stuff. If you're coaching a trainer we're trying to make better coaches and trainers. That's the way we're going to impact the fitness industry more than any other way. And we

Starting point is 01:07:03 do free webinars all the time for trainers and coaches. That's right. Trainorwebinar.com. We do them every month. So we get on there and we teach you specific things. Next question is from Jenny K Mom. What are your thoughts on weight vests for walking? I don't like them at all unless you're training to rock.

Starting point is 01:07:22 Unless you're doing something, you're going to train for an event that requires you to wear a weighted vest or a backpack or something like that, in which case then it makes sense. But here's why I don't like weighted vest for walking in general. Changes your biomechanics, increases your risk of injury, and it does very little to improve the benefits or health effects of walking. If anything, if you were to look at overall, look at walking versus walking with a weight vest

Starting point is 01:07:49 and looking at the health effects and you factor in risk of injury problems, the weighted vest actually decreases the value of walking. Now the average person thinks wearing a weight vest is gonna give me so much better results. It's heavier, it's harder. You have load. This is gonna make it, no, it's not.

Starting point is 01:08:06 Yes, it'll make you better at walking with weight on you, which is if that's what you want, great, but if you're walking for leisure, for enjoyment, or just for general health, avoid the weight vest. So I'm assuming this is coming from probably somebody who listens to us and listens to our friend, Shalene Johnson. Shalene's done a lot of content in the last,

Starting point is 01:08:24 like, I don't know, a couple months or maybe even a little bit longer since she's been wearing a weight vest every time that she walks. I think that this stems from a study that she read. About weight bearing on bone density. And about reversing osteoporosis. Which weighted walking to reverse osteoporosis pales in comparison to just strength training. Weight training.

Starting point is 01:08:48 It's literally what is. Much more effective. It's sending a weakened substitute signal for strength training. Okay, so strength training will do far more for bone density than weighted vest walking. I'm not a fan of any weighted cardio really. Weighted vest walking is gonna be better for bone density than non-weighted vest walking. I'm not a fan of any weighted cardio really. No. Weighted vest walking is going to be better for

Starting point is 01:09:05 bone density than non-weighted vest walking if that's all you do. But if you want to, but again, if you factor in, because Shalene's fit, she's fit and healthy. You take the average person who doesn't walk, you know, more than 4,000 steps a day and they're like, you know, I'm going to start doing 30 minutes walks and they throw a weight vest on,

Starting point is 01:09:23 they're going to notice ankle pain, knee pain, change your recruitment patterns and changes all of it. Yeah. So it's, it's, again, it's one of those things that it, it seems like it logically makes sense based off of like if I'm adding an increasing progressive load to whatever I'm doing, I, my muscles should be affected, but, uh, it's, it's really not going to have the same kind of impact as just being disciplined in the training

Starting point is 01:09:48 and building up your muscles through weight training that we've already proven these specific types of exercises are much more effective at building. Cardio is a totally different animal, now adding weight to that, it's not as beneficial as you think. So I'm gonna play devil's advocate because I think I've already said my opinion

Starting point is 01:10:06 on weight vest for a very long time on this show and how I feel and we're all in agreeance on it. After hearing Shalene's justification of how she does it, I would say that I understand the low barrier to entry person, somebody who's never done any sort of weight training but walks all the time and adding the vest to their walk may help reverse osteoporosis that they're already heading that direction. So they're already consistent.

Starting point is 01:10:29 They're walking for a while. Yeah, you're already walking and stuff like that. And you've been doing that. Add 10 pounds. And you add now 10 pounds and you don't do strength training. It's better than that. It's better than not, right? So I can get that.

Starting point is 01:10:40 And I also get the advice of this is just the first easy step that somebody can make. But to Sal's point, if I can get a client to squat just one time every two weeks, it'll be more effective than that. Carry so much further. So it'll be more effective than that person who walks every single day for a half hour with a weighted vest, if I can get them to squat one time every two weeks, that's how powerful that can be. And so if I had to choose as a trainer, I would always go that direction for sure, because

Starting point is 01:11:14 I think I can convince my client to squat at least once a week. And so we're going to get more benefits. But if I have somebody who is deathly afraid of doing it- They just refuse to do it. Yeah, refuse to do it. Yeah, refuse to do it. And it's like, well, at least do this. At least you're walking every day anyways,

Starting point is 01:11:30 just throw on a vest because that'll help slow down this osteoporosis that's happening for you. Then I could see myself as a trainer going like, that's better than nothing. But I think that there's better ways to skin this cat if that's what we're trying to do. Yeah, even in between that, I think I would prefer them to do more incline for resistance if that's what we're trying to do. Yeah, even in between that, I think I would prefer them to do more incline for resistance if that's what they're seeking, a little more challenge.

Starting point is 01:11:49 You know, it's interesting too about the data. So it gets communicated, and this is where it gets mixed up, right? People are like, oh, weight bearing or impact is good for bone. Well, look at the studies on long distance runners and their bone strength. It's not that much better than someone who's sedentary. It is not a pro-building form of exercise. And most of the bone density gains that they see are in the lower extremities. They see none in their upper extremities.

Starting point is 01:12:16 A weighted vest will add some to the spine and some to the lower extremities over nothing or over just walking. Quickly adapt those, too. But it's very, that's it though, you're stopped. A little bit of strength training. So okay fine, you're gonna walk six days a week for 30 minutes or for an hour. What if you just did 30 minutes once a week

Starting point is 01:12:36 of three exercises. But then it would surpass it. This is why this information is not complete because again, I think I can convince anybody who's ever sat at the desk across from me and that's trying to get in shape, that is trying to also reverse osteoporosis, and they go, hey Adam, I heard that I could wear

Starting point is 01:12:53 a weighted vest, I already do these walks every day for an hour, I heard if I put this 10 pound vest on, that could help me, and they quote the study. So okay, that's great. Then I would come back and say, or what we could do is I could teach you how to squat, and we just do that once a week. And over time, as we get a little bit stronger,

Starting point is 01:13:11 and we'll start with body weight, and then I'm gonna add a 45-pound bar, and then I'm gonna add 10 pounds. And I do that over time with you, that is going to do so much more for reversing osteoporosis than you walking every single day with your weighted vest. It pales in comparison.

Starting point is 01:13:27 And unfortunately, somebody hasn't done a study to show the difference of those two head to head. But if it's a, I can't get them to do that and they're already walking, it's like, okay, well then, at least do that. Okay. Here's an easy way to understand this. What builds muscle builds bone

Starting point is 01:13:46 So let's rephrase the question what how much muscle am I gonna build by walking with a weighted vest versus lifting weights? Yeah, the difference is profound. Yeah, that's same difference. That's same difference So it's so it's so profound Sal that that's why I use the example of once every two weeks That's right. You don't even need to do that much to pass all that walking with a weighted vest. That's right, so my point with that is, if you're walking now and you add 10 pounds, you'll build a little bit of extra strength and muscle.

Starting point is 01:14:17 But nobody's gonna say that's a great way to build muscle. What builds muscle builds bone. Strength training builds muscle, that's why it builds bone, So damn effect. I had a client I brought her up before Linda. She was she worked with me for years She had a they couldn't determine as undetermined Autoimmune they think issue where her bones were just getting weaker and weaker and weaker They put her on

Starting point is 01:14:40 Fosamax I think was the name of the medication to try and stop the loss She was a professor Fosamax, I think was the name of the medication, to try and stop the loss. She was a professor, one of her students happened to be a trainer that worked for me years ago, said, oh, you should go work with my friend Sal. Anyway, she hired me, and we did strength training one to two days a week. And she got bone density tests relatively regularly

Starting point is 01:14:58 because of how quickly her bones were weakening, okay? And she was a tiny woman, petite. And she was active. She walked, she did weighted walking, she hiked, she did everything, she ate a healthy diet. This is why it was a big mystery. They couldn't figure out what was going on. We strength trained, and I mean very appropriate

Starting point is 01:15:15 strength training for a woman who was, at the time, she was, I want to say over 60, never strength trained before, so it was like body weight squats. Little by little we would progress her. I remember she went to one of her first bone density tests after training with me for, I think it was like four or five months and her doctor did another one because he thought there was something wrong with this test. And he said, okay, this is crazy.

Starting point is 01:15:38 What are you doing right now? She's like, I'm working out. And he's like, how much? Oh, I see my trainer salad once a week. So he got in contact with me and actually turned her into a case study of strength training and its effects on bone density. And it was once a week, nothing crazy, nothing hardcore. We maybe complete three exercises in the session. This is why, I mean, again, anybody who's been listening to this show long enough has

Starting point is 01:16:00 heard me gripe about, you know, taking a study and running with it is because it's, it's in this, it's always in this like very controlled environment and it doesn't tell the full story. And it's like, it's like 12 weeks and it's like, yeah, of course. Yeah. It's one it's, it's done in a short period of time and it's like, okay, well let's take that out a year. Where's that same person? It's not fair. It's like, okay, but if I can convince that person to squat once a week, how, how, how much do they compare to that person? It's like, dude, it's not even close. It's not even close. And I think Sal, you're right. One of the best, easiest ways for somebody that's more

Starting point is 01:16:31 concerned about bone health is the same things that will build your muscles are the same things that are going to build your bones. So high protein diet, strength training. And if you're afraid to go all in on strength training and you want to ease your way in, then literally even just starting with body weight movements, okay, or like a map starter type of program that's really basic and foundational and fundamental, that will do so much more for bone than walking with a- You mentioned protein, people like that,

Starting point is 01:16:57 bones don't require protein to build, they need calcium and this, that, and the other. First off, there's a little bit of protein that builds bone, but it's because muscle anchors on bone. That's right. So as muscles build, they have to adapt. They have to, so when the muscles are stronger and anchoring and pulling on the tendons

Starting point is 01:17:14 that pull on the bone and pulling on, and the ligaments have to strengthen, the bone also has to strengthen. So the strongest bones you'll ever see, ever, in bone density tests are weight lifters, power lifters, body builders. If you look at their bone density tests, there is no other type of human

Starting point is 01:17:31 that has more dense, strong bones than those people right there because they lift weights. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. Justin can be found at Mind Pump. Justin, you can look at me at Mind Pump. DeStefano and Adam at Mind Pump Out. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted

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