Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2513: Our Top 5 Favorite Fitness Snacks (Listener Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:03:36 Let's talk about the top five fitness snacks. Are there things you can eat on the go that will contribute to your performance, your fitness and your physicality, make you look better instead of making you look fat. I used to tell clients that snacks were not real. They're a made up word. There's only complete and incomplete meals. Yeah, I did the same thing. And so it's a bunch of incomplete meals. But I do think that there are some strategies around picking snacks.

Starting point is 00:04:07 I think the first thing that has to be the first major qualifier is it needs to be a higher protein choice since this is where snacking gets at it. Because even someone who makes a good choice, like say, a health, they consider healthy choice, carrots or celery or berries or something like that that's would fall in the category of healthy it's calories without any protein and protein is always the most challenging thing to get yes and so that's where I think snacking really gets out I agree it's funny you said that it's made up this snack food market was invented

Starting point is 00:04:45 Yeah, this wasn't a category of food that humans traditionally like you had foods you would take on long Trips with you when you're on your horse and you're going across the plains He needs to put it with you. I know the Mongolians who take like cheese with them and stuff But the snack food market was a food industry creation to try to circumvent breakfast, lunch, and dinner. And I think it started with like TV meals, TV dinners. Dude, I still know people that can't leave the house. If they go in a car, they have to have the snack to go with them. My blood sugar. I'm like, really? It's like? It's so ingrained in our culture.

Starting point is 00:05:25 It's always a non-diabetic person that says that too. They need to control their blood sugar. Exactly. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. I do understand the perceived value of snacks. Convenience, it's got a longer shelf life. I will abide in some of these snacks when I'm traveling on a long road trip and I don't necessarily have a good place to stop to eat. I don't necessarily

Starting point is 00:05:53 want to stop to eat on the place off the side of the freeway, but I do want to eat and maybe help myself hit some protein targets. So there are things you could pick that are better than others. And I love what you're saying about protein, Adam. I think if you're gonna snack, at least have it contribute to your protein intake, since that's hard to hit anyway. And also protein does produce more satiety. Other macronutrients, carbohydrates in particular,

Starting point is 00:06:20 tend to not contribute that much to satiety. And you may actually find that some of them actually stimulate appetite. So you might have experienced this yourself, you're in the back of the car, and people are like, hey, do you want to get snacks? You're like, no, they get some.

Starting point is 00:06:32 Then you have some of theirs, and all of a sudden, you're like, yeah, I think I want some. Yeah, yeah. Think I want some snacks. Especially chips. Yes, that's a big one. You get a million of them. So number one has to be beef jerky or meat sticks.

Starting point is 00:06:42 That's gotta be up there. Kind of the minimally processed, kind of healthier versions like the grass-fed versions. Paleo Valley company we work with, they have great meat sticks. Here you've got meat. You've just got meat and it's dried. And the minimally processed versions of this, I mean you could get jerky and eat 20 grams of protein in a serving which with you know somewhat minimal calories. Some of the jerky is very lean. That's what makes it so good is that it's almost eating pure protein.

Starting point is 00:07:11 That's pretty much what you're consuming when you have beef jerky. That's why it's a good one for number one is there's not a lot of snacks that calorie for calorie that you're getting, it's all coming and derived from protein. That makes it incredibly valuable and probably at the top of my list, because as it goes down in protein for me, even if it falls under the whole food or healthy category, it becomes less valuable to me, at least coming from a coach's perspective,

Starting point is 00:07:39 teaching a client to make better food choices, because it's always an uphill battle for me to get my clients to hit the protein intake. And if they start filling that calorie budget up with healthy snacks that are carbohydrate based, we find ourselves at the end of the day behind on protein. Yeah, and the other value of jerky is that it's very easy to find now. Gas stations have.

Starting point is 00:08:04 Stores well. Yes, it lasts a long time. Comes in a higher quality now, not just Slim Jim. Airport. Doesn't need to be refrigerated, you don't need utensils for it. I mean, there's a lot of reasons why it's convenient. It's super convenient. In fact, this is my number one type of thing I'll eat when I'm flying to do other podcasts

Starting point is 00:08:22 and I don't have time necessarily to stop to go eat somewhere. I'll do the fast or I'll grab jerky and I can find it anywhere. Airport, gas station, almost anywhere you'll find any kind of a snack you're now going to find jerky. And I do want to point out because I know you said the gas station thing and I know you're going to have some of the super crunchy health nuts that'll be like, oh my God, that's got this and that. And it's just like there's a hierarchy here of like choices.

Starting point is 00:08:44 I would much rather a client eat you know a steak well no I mean like I mean I'd rather them pick the gas station beef turkey than choose something that is like a pure carbohydrate snack you know or like some granola bar or something like that it's like I would way rather that even if the other one is more natural that to me the protein thing is the big thing is getting enough protein and not getting a bunch of calories where you don't get that is what... You know speaking of which by the way have you guys ever made your own jerky you know with those dehydrators? I've never... Oh yeah Doug you

Starting point is 00:09:18 probably have. Do you have a dehydrator? I can use a smoker actually the Traeger works really that. Really? I can make these jerky in my Traeger? Sure, why not? Really? Of course. I haven't actually done it with the Traeger, but I've had a smoker in the past, and I've used it.

Starting point is 00:09:34 I didn't know that. I thought you would have to use it. You get some lean meat. You don't even have to get lean meat. You cut it thin, you season it, and you dry it, and it's got crazy shelf life. My uncle used to make his own jerky and we would take it.

Starting point is 00:09:46 He used to have a motor home and we would go on like camping trips with my cousin and he would make his own. He was very, he's a herbalist and so he's very into health. And he would make his own and we would bring it and he would also dry fruit and we'd bring that with us. Yeah, one of my friends would go hunting and bring venison jerky, I'm doing this.

Starting point is 00:10:05 Oh yeah, you gotta do it. And if you season it well, it's amazing. And it's minimally processed. It's literally, you'll add your own, typically it's soy sauce and salt. Is this like one of those dumb aha moments I'm having right now? Yeah, no.

Starting point is 00:10:19 I've always wanted it. I just thought you had to have like an actual machine to do it. No, and it had to. I did not know I could do that. Even if you bought a dehydrator super cheap You could buy a dehydrator on Amazon and just put it out there saying it only takes four hours. Yeah Wow Yeah, I've got the cherry pellets and all you know You do you get you bag it and if you really want it to last a long time you get one of those vacuum bags

Starting point is 00:10:37 Yeah, and you pack a bunch of those bro. That'll last you a year now. Is there is there any types of? Cuts that do better, do you know, by chance? I'm pretty sure you can probably use most anything. Yeah, you could do anything. So ribeye is gonna be a little more tender, a little fatter. I mean, you do the lean ones, they last a long time.

Starting point is 00:10:55 They recommend flank steak. Flank, okay, that's a good one. Okay, wow, I'm so gonna do this. Isn't that interesting? Yeah, yeah. All right, next up, Greek yogurt. Great source of protein. Very healthy. It tastes good. You could add a little bit of fruit to it if you want. And most grocery

Starting point is 00:11:12 stores will have this. And you'll find grocery stores now are pretty easy for most people to find. And I've even seen Greek yogurt in gas stations these days. So my favorite part about Greek yogurt, and this has happened in just the last like five years, and I don't know if this is because somebody, somebody, one of these big companies did some research and found how popular Greek yogurt is in the fitness community. Yeah. But now they're starting to boost the protein in them. Yep. So now a lot of these companies are got 15 to 20 grams of protein in a small cup. You have two of those little cups and you've got 40 grams of protein. Throw a little bit of blueberries or granola over the top of it. I mean, this has become my go-to snack.

Starting point is 00:11:53 I see you eat it every day. Oh, every day I eat Greek yogurt. I either eat it in the morning time as one of my meals where I double it up and throw some granola and blueberries in it. Or it's my evening snack when I'm still hungry post-dinner and I want something kind of cold to curb that ice cream craving that I've always had? Go to for me. This was a go to for me with my clients.

Starting point is 00:12:14 If you can tolerate dairy, having an issue with dairy, Greek yogurt was my go to snack for clients. In between meal, boost protein, here you go. Any ideas, Sal, why... I have a mild intolerance to dairy. I've talked about it before, if I have multiple things in a day. For some reason, Greek yogurt just agrees with me on a whole other level. If I do vitamin D whole milk or something like that, I can only tolerate so much of that. Then also on on top of that let's say like a whey protein shake. That will bother me more than... There's certain cheeses like that too. Is that right? I mean is it just something to do with what it's derived?

Starting point is 00:12:54 No, not necessarily. Now the cheeses may be lower protein content so it's the protein people tend to be... if you're intolerant to dairy besides the lactose, so let's just forget lactose. Some people just lactose intolerant. They take a lactose enzyme, they can have any dairy. But if if you're intolerant to dairy, besides the lactose, so let's just forget lactose. Some people just lactose intolerant. They take a lactose enzyme, they can have any dairy. But if you have an intolerance to dairy, it's usually the dairy protein. Some cheeses are low in proteins, higher in fat,

Starting point is 00:13:14 so they'll do better with them. Like I could do butter, which is from dairy, doesn't bother me at all, but it has almost no dairy protein. It may have to do with the probiotics in there. It may have to do with the- Yeah, I've always wondered why that is, why, I mean, I feel like I can eat

Starting point is 00:13:27 as much Greek yogurt as I want. I might have to do that. And it doesn't disrupt me in the slightest bit where I can tip over a little bit with other dairy products. It might be because of that. So, yeah, the probiotic. But I've heard other people say,

Starting point is 00:13:38 I had clients like that, where they were like, eh, iffy, but Greek yogurt or yogurt in general was good. Fine, totally fine, interesting. Next up, hard-boiled eggs. Now this is a trend I love in the food space. You used to not be able to, oh it's got less lactose in milk, there you go. Thanks Doug. So maybe it's the lactose that's bothering me more than anything else. It might be, it might be. You used to have to make your own hard-boiled eggs. Now you can go to a gas station, gas

Starting point is 00:14:05 stations, grocery stores for sure. Starbucks too. Starbucks they'll sell three, two or three. Airports are doing it now. I see it all the time now. It's interesting is that recent right? That's always like the last few years. Maybe last five years. I was at just one of my last flights that we took. There was actually an airport that sold four of them. That's right a package of four of them. Eggs are amazing. They're so healthy, such high quality protein, very nutrient dense. You get brain nutrients in there.

Starting point is 00:14:33 You get anabolic cholesterol. It's not bad for you. Everybody says it's bad. Now we know now it's good for you. It is great for stimulating muscle protein synthesis. It's one of the best natural proteins you can eat for fitness and for muscle building. And now you can buy hard boiled eggs

Starting point is 00:14:50 and you just take them with you, put them in a little cooler or not if you're gonna eat them that day, and you're totally fine. And it's like six grams of protein. Add some salt. Add a little bit of salt and you're good to go. Yeah, I love that one.

Starting point is 00:14:59 Next up, cottage cheese. Cottage cheese is other. Now, cottage cheese is funny because that was a bodybuilding staple for so long, fell out of favor for a little while, now it's coming back. Everybody's all of a sudden starting to discover cottage cheese again. But it's like a bowl of cottage, like full fat cottage cheese, delicious, and it's like excellent protein. Cottage cheese with pineapple slices.

Starting point is 00:15:21 I don't know what it is about the pineapple and cottage cheese, but the combination of the two of those. That's like my- That's a classic. That's my favorite. That's my favorite go-to right now. That's a classic one. And then lastly, deli meats, turkey slices,

Starting point is 00:15:31 one of my favorites. Of course not ideal, because it's somewhat of a processed meat. You can get the less processed kind of deli slices, but you get yourself a nice little stack of deli meats. I mean, it's an easy way to, you know, snack on protein in the car on a drive. Yeah, but to your point, and I want to make this clear,

Starting point is 00:15:47 because I know that we're always in it. We always get weird pushback from some people. The process is like, first of all, I'm always trying to tell my clients, if you're hungry, eat a full meal. I mean, because it'd be like, well, what do you do when you're hungry and it's this time? Well, eat a meal.

Starting point is 00:16:02 Eat a full meal. But not everybody has that luxury of their carrying their Tupperware around or they have access to a complete meal and so if you are going to snack this is kind of the hierarchy of that. Like of course there is better choices than beef jerky or that meal but the point is if I'm trying to make something as convenient and as easy as possible for my clients that will help us stay on track with our goals. That's where turkey slices be turkey.

Starting point is 00:16:28 Who in the deli gave them to slice it up for you? So, I mean, instead of getting the ultra processed version of it. Yep, totally. I got a study that's really interesting. It's not gonna blow you guys away, but it's another study just showing how impactful social interaction is for human health. We are

Starting point is 00:16:47 the most social animals or creatures on earth. We know, I don't think anybody's going to argue that, you know, social relationships, relationships in general, are important for our mental health, very important for our physical health as well. And another study came out, University of Cambridge shows that loneliness is linked to higher risk of heart disease and stroke and susceptibility to infection. So just another study to show that being lonely, it doesn't just suck, it also will make you die earlier. It's very important to be around people. And they've identified certain proteins associated with loneliness and social isolation.

Starting point is 00:17:31 What's your theory on how much of that is nature and how much of that is nurture? Like, obviously that we all have some of that to some capacity, but I've always found it so interesting how I can't help but think back to when I was a child, and I'm this way for sure, but my sister, it didn't bother her as much. Like we would get in trouble when we were little,

Starting point is 00:17:54 and we'd be sent to our room, right? You're grounded for the day, go to your room. And me going to my room and having to sit in my room on my bed for four or five hours, it was torture. I mean, I would cry. I would do, I mean, I would just anything to get attention. I would actually do shit that would piss my mom off to bring her in. So she would be mad at him to get engagement where my sister would go to a room and just play with her dolls all day long and just be fine. My brother just read and he's fine.

Starting point is 00:18:20 And content. So what is it? And we grew up in the same house, right? So obviously it's not, I mean, what is it that... No, there's a, I mean, the data will show there's obviously a varying degree between individual and individual, but at our core we're social. So you take somebody like your sister, who doesn't mind being alone sometimes, but isolate her for a year. For long enough. For two years. It'll even bother her. Oh, it's torture. And she would say that too. I'm sure she would admit that being alone. Totally alone is absolute torture. But it does make sense why she can do what she does for our company. She's kind of all by herself on an island doing all hand-in-hand. All these customers. Outliers that moved to Alaska and pretty much build a whole life around sustainable living and hunting and everything by themselves

Starting point is 00:19:07 for the whole rest of their life. It's crazy. There's gotta be a major individual variance. But that's very rare. I mean, obviously. Super rare, and I would even bet that there's a... There's a dysfunction there. Something, right?

Starting point is 00:19:17 Something off. Either some trauma or something like that. Right, and you'd have to ask yourself, would they be healthier and better if they had companionship and more people around? Maybe just one person would doubt. No doubt, yeah, I would bet on that. Oh no, loneliness is an absolute killer

Starting point is 00:19:32 and what's crazy about this study is when you look at the data on modern societies, we are more connected than ever and there's more people than ever and we're lonelier than ever. We've actually created all these ways of connecting and what it's done is it's made us more isolated. And so loneliness, in fact, the demographic that we're seeing that's most alarming that is seeing an increase in loneliness is a demographic that never experienced loneliness in the past,

Starting point is 00:20:03 which is the youth. Now are they testing their oxytocin level and all that chemically in terms of like, you know, is that a factor? Because I heard in proximity, you only get that if you're like close physical touch, right? You have to touch for a certain even a certain amount of time, isn't it? Yeah, so like if you FaceTime somebody, Arthur Brooks told us this, I think he said on one of our podcasts with him, he said if you FaceTime someone you get the dopamine but you don't get the oxytocin. So it's like a processed food version. It's kind of a trick. It's like processed food versus real food.

Starting point is 00:20:32 It's such a great way of saying it because you still get some calories from it, so that's not the best ones for you. Yeah, like if you're in a jail cell by yourself all day, FaceTime is going to be better than nothing. But you want to be around and in front of people. And again, technology's created, it's made it so, because here's the other part of it that is probably valuable, it's probably one of the reasons

Starting point is 00:20:53 why being around people is healthy, besides the stuff that we already know about, the connection, the love, the empathy, the bouncing ideas off people, the mirroring each other, that kind of stuff. There's also the benefit of the challenge that comes from meeting people, talking to people, going up to people.

Starting point is 00:21:08 There's value in that, and we've made it so easy to avoid that, because it's scary, especially when you're a kid, this is one of my theories around youth isolation. I remember as a teenage boy, especially as a 14, 15 year old, going out and talking to new people is a scary thing to do, right? Somewhat, it's more scary for some people than others. I was relatively social, I'm somewhat of an extrovert,

Starting point is 00:21:33 but still there was a bit of a fear, especially talking to a girl. I'm gonna go talk to that girl, it's gonna take some courage, but if I could just stay at home and just text people or go online, I can avoid that completely, and I think that there's some health benefits to that. We even see it on the business side.

Starting point is 00:21:50 You see that a lot of your experts will say that the future is an in-person community-driven type business. We went through this trend the last 10 years, the Zoom era, where everybody was hopping on, moving online and going digital. And you have Zoom towns and this whole new genre grew and everybody was gravitating towards it. But it does feel like we're moving back to this direction of people want that in-person connection.

Starting point is 00:22:21 And so if you're an entrepreneur, you know, operating a business and trying to forecast the future, doing more things that are in-person that you get to collaborate with people, touch, see, I think is going to be the future because we need it because we, yeah, this other thing was cool and neat and new and novel. And so we all kind of went that direction for a while. but over a period of say a decade of that we were realizing like oh God we're missing this connection. Well all these companies now, a lot of these companies are like employees come back because they're seeing,

Starting point is 00:22:51 you know it's interesting too, and God how easy, how quickly do we disregard human behavior and what we know to be true because we just look at numbers. Like if you look at the numbers like oh it makes sense. A company doesn't have to rent as much space. They could save money, they grow their margins. People get to be at home. Their schedule's more flexible.

Starting point is 00:23:10 They don't have to commute. It makes perfect sense on paper, but we disregard that we need to be social. And if we're building something, working on something together, we should be around each other to do it. It's funny to you say that because it's like, we do know. And anybody who's ever worked in an environment or a job

Starting point is 00:23:27 that you really enjoyed or loved or hated, you very much so know that. I mean, sometimes you'll stay in, I mean, I did. I stayed for four years, probably longer than I should've in an environment that I wasn't growing, I wasn't progressing, it wasn't what was best for me because I actually liked the environment so much because I liked the culture, I liked being around people, it was so easy for me to justify like, I know I should

Starting point is 00:23:51 value in that. Yeah because there's a lot of value in that. I mean there I got offers to work for other people and other businesses that there were even a little bit more money. It was like a little bit more money that's not enough to get me to jump ship and leave what I like doing with all these people. Totally, I got a cool hack for you guys. Well, I'm sure you guys have done this already, but man, this got me into such a,

Starting point is 00:24:14 I don't know about you guys, but I love, actually I know you guys do this, you guys do this too. I love doing certain activities, and then getting into really deep thought. It's just so stimulating, so expansive, it's just really great. It's like better than, it's not meditating, it's really deep thought. It's just so stimulating, so expansive. It's just really great. It's like better than, it's not meditating. It's like deep thought.

Starting point is 00:24:29 It's flow. It's flow. That's flow you feel. Go on a walk by yourself, put BrainFM Focus on. Five minutes in, five minutes in, you're just like, oh my God, the ideas, the thoughts, I'm taking notes, I'm writing things down. I love, so with Focus, the way I've used Focus in the past

Starting point is 00:24:46 is I'll use it when I'm doing a specific task, like I'm writing a blog or writing content, but this was one of the first times I just put it on and then just let my mind go. It was awesome. I mean, Justin is the one that really got me to use that. I've always used it for the sleep side, but the Focus side, I'd never really messed with that much.

Starting point is 00:25:04 I actually noticed, so I've always used it for the sleep side, but the focus side, I'd never really messed with that much. I actually noticed, so I've talked about before on the podcast that a lot of the content that I consume is audio version, so I do a lot of audio books. Just, I listen to it a little bit faster speed. If I find that I can concentrate and focus, believe it or not, at a faster speed than a slower speed,

Starting point is 00:25:22 and that's one of the ways that I can intake all the books that I go through. But I played with that with reading actual book focus with focus on. So I actually it helps me concentrate because one of the reasons why I don't like to read normal books and I'd rather do audio is I drift. I'm the guy who reads a page and I shake I read that because my brain drifts. But when I have focus playing in the background while I read, for some reason I stay more concentrated on the book and I don't have to do that. Well, for people who don't understand how this works, these are sounds that they've engineered that'll induce states of mind that we know and that through brain waves. So we know there's certain brain wave patterns that are associated with focusing or meditation

Starting point is 00:26:03 or sleeping. And they've identified, and this is patented, certain sound combinations and patterns that will induce that. And so when you're trying to stay focused, it'll induce that focused state of mind, making it easier. It's so interesting, because it's so counterintuitive. You wouldn't think that, oh, putting on some- It would distract you.

Starting point is 00:26:21 Yeah, you would think it would distract me more. So I had never thought about using it that way until Justin really got me to use it for like working and focusing. And I realized, wow, dude, this does help me really get into the thing that I'm working on. I wonder, what if I played this in the background while I'm trying to read a book?

Starting point is 00:26:36 It wouldn't work. Sure as shit. I haven't done that with reading it. Are you guys reading anything right now? Are you reading any books in particular? Yeah, yeah, I just started. I'm doing the audiobook thing too. And I haven't actually done the increase the speed. I'm gonna have to play around with that because I think you're right. I think that does help kind of keep

Starting point is 00:26:53 you focused. That was a Tom Bilyeu hack that I didn't believe also in my theory. So what do you do one and a half times? No, I get all the way up to two and a half. But I had to work up to that. You have to progress to it. You can't just go from regular speed to two and a half. We have to go like a half faster than one, than one and a half. So anyways, not to that you have to progress to it You can't just go from regular speed to two and a half We have to go like a half faster than one than one and a half. So anyways And not to cut you off just on your story But I'm so fascinated by how this played out for me because it was a huge hack to be able to go through so many

Starting point is 00:27:14 Books and actually be able to retain it My thought process or what I think is happening is that because it's moving so fast I have to focus right it just to even pick it up keeps you engaged It keeps me engaged whereas if it's a slow cadence it almost rocks my brain to sleep like a lulls Yes, it lulls me and I'm going fast like even going down a hill Yes, like you're like I gotta drive you're like I'm a bet I'm a better driver at higher speeds then I can be distracted I'm a better driver at higher speeds than I can be distracted. I mean, obstacles are a lot more important.

Starting point is 00:27:45 No, I mean, I'm way more, if I'm driving fast, faster than I probably should have, I'm way alert. I'm hands are in a correct spot, I'm checking all mirrors, I'm thinking way ahead, like if I'm like just cruising, I'm on my phone talking, I'm listening. It's easier to be distracted, yeah. So I think that when I move at a higher speed on the audio book, it forces me to engage more because what I would notice. Yeah, so I think that when I move at a higher speed on the audiobook it

Starting point is 00:28:06 Forces me to gauge more because what I would notice is like, holy shit. I'm actually retaining more than I believe it source I believe it. All right. Tell me about this book. You talked about it for us. I briefly mentioned it's the devil's chessboard It's I don't remember the author's name, but I've just ever since kind of like a follow-up to the last Book that we're reading chaos It's just kind of goes in deeper into actually the deep state and like the CIA the FBI and like The whole formation of it and like who is the head of it like with their background a lot of their involvement with you know Nazis and like this dude, it's, it, it, I got really angry the first like chapter, like makes you a little bit angry, like just listening to

Starting point is 00:28:51 like how, you know, intertwined we were with a lot of these characters that came from World War II. And so anyways, I'm just getting into it. So I don't have a whole lot of details yet, but it's like very heavy. It's like factual's like I thought it was gonna be more of like a narrated kind of story that kind of brought you in but it's like this person is responsible for this and this is their position and you like that stressful shit man what it's it's but like I want to know because listen they don't teach this stuff no they don't want you to like investigate and and and look at the history and this is just this is just history is fact that happened to me when They don't want you to investigate and look at the history.

Starting point is 00:29:26 This is just history. This is facts. That happened to me when I read The Creature from Jekyll Island. When I read that, The Creation of the Fed, it's all true. I was like, wait, this is real? I'm like cross-referencing. I'm like, oh my God, it's real. How come I didn't know this?

Starting point is 00:29:38 It is interesting because it's just like we're built on top of that. I just find it weird that we don't talk about it more often. We just go about our day and there's this whole underlying unaccounted for faction of our power structure. That's crazy. I'm reading, who wrote this book? It's called The Prodigal God and it's about, the cornerstone of it, I think his name is, what was his name, Timothy Keller. And it's about, well it starts off with the parable of the prodigal son, but really it's called The Two Sons.

Starting point is 00:30:11 And it blew me away because he's explaining the story, this parable, everybody knows this parable right? You get the two sons, the older brother, the younger brother, younger brother goes up to his dad, hey give me my inheritance, I want it now. Dad gives it to him, he takes off, spends it on prostitutes and whatever, and finds himself destitute, like my God, I got to go back and ask for my dad's forgiveness. Comes back, dad rushes to him, forgives him right away, brings him in, and that's the story everybody knows. But this talks about how important the older brother is in that story as well, because the older brother did

Starting point is 00:30:43 everything right, did everything right. He followed all the rules, but it was not from a good heart. It was because of resentment. It wasn't just resentment, it was, it's like somebody following, doing the- It's like a self-righteous sort of a- It's like somebody doing,

Starting point is 00:30:58 it's like me doing things that are good to you, like I'm being nice to you, because I want something in return. And so, as I'm learning, I'm like, oh my God, this older brother archetype, this older brother who is righteous and looks down on others is, and it talks about this in the book, this is the mistake a lot of people, a lot of Christians make when they're so righteous and they look down on others and they're like, well, I deserve this and I'm good and you're bad type of deal

Starting point is 00:31:24 and it turns people off and it's not at all the message of the gospel. So it's really fascinating. But it's one of mine. It's my biggest personal critique on a lot of church communities. Unfortunately. A lot of older brothers.

Starting point is 00:31:37 Yeah, unfortunately there's a lot of people that, like there isn't anything where it becomes a measuring or contest of whose walk with God is better, you know, and like you almost feel more judged by that. It's unfortunate. You have the opposite too. You have other people that I think are unbelievably warm and welcoming, so they get it. But there's a percentage of them that are that way. And it's just like, it's just such a turn off and unfortunate because I think it turns more people off and on.

Starting point is 00:32:04 Yeah. He opens by explaining the context. He's like, oh Jesus was talking to tax collectors and prostitutes Mm-hmm and then he was also talking to the Pharisees and it was the Pharisees that got really mad with the story because They knew he was talking about them. We're doing everything right. Yeah, I deserve. Yeah, I deserve this I thought for sure you're gonna bring a different study today. I thought oh, yeah I thought after the interview we just did with Alex, I thought you would be right on your phone right away and looking up the tendon. No, I thought that was fascinating.

Starting point is 00:32:32 It makes perfect sense. Wow. He said there's data showing how effective isometrics are for strengthening tendons. Yeah, growing tendons. Perfect, perfect, perfect sense. He brought up some great examples of- I knew end-range strength and how that carries over like a 20 degree carryover or so, 15 to 20 degree, but I didn't realize tendons were, I mean, of course, it just makes logical

Starting point is 00:32:55 sense. Yeah, because the constant tension on the tendon would cause it to thicken and strengthen more than your traditional, all of it will strengthen, right, with all type of strength training. But then he used the example of blue collar workers, and every time I've ever wrestled with a construction worker or like my dad or his, people who wore blue collar, it's their isometric strength that's ridiculous. It's like they're just, they're holding, they don't move.

Starting point is 00:33:21 It's like, what am I, I feel like I'm grabbing the wall. Like what's going on? Yeah, the jaws of life just. Yeah, and I'll outlift them in the. It's like, what am I, I feel like I'm grabbing the wall. Like what's going on? The jaws of life just. Yeah, and I'll outlift them in the gym all day long. But it was that isometric strength that, you know, that they were demonstrating, so. That's crazy. I know, really cool.

Starting point is 00:33:32 There's a new, I don't know if I want, I don't know if I want Doug to look this up. There's a new makeup trend that I saw on social media. Wow, coming in with the makeup. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How did you get that, come by that? So it popped up. You've been on TikTok again?

Starting point is 00:33:46 It popped up and it's literally called, it's a way that you make your lips look, okay, for lipstick. Oh, with lipstick. With lipstick and liner and stuff. And so if you go to an expert, a makeup artist, you ask for this and it's called butthole lips But it literally you have to constantly make the look where the girls like pierced her lips like this

Starting point is 00:34:26 Yeah, and it's like a way that they apply makeup and whatever and it's what they call it. Imagine. It can't be like what the girls called it. This has to be some guy. Yeah, they can't be like somebody. There it is right there. And there's a way that they do it. You know what makes me sad about this is,

Starting point is 00:34:36 Oh. Like, what? How many, like people, everybody's like, why are people calling it this? Well, cause it looks like it. Yeah, I know that. Yeah. I'm waiting by the, it it looks like it. Yeah, I know that Definitely looks like it. I'm not even sure if those are lips. I told Jessica this is she's like, you know, shut up I'm like no no watch and there's like all these like

Starting point is 00:34:54 But whole lips like oh, this is how you give yourself but whole lips and this is the technique for but whole lips Oh, can you even believe that you learn something new every day? Yeah. When you start whispering or no. It's a technique. Yeah. Oh, I know. You're about to be the answer. Fantastic. Asking for this. I mean, what is the, uh, okay.

Starting point is 00:35:14 What's the, uh, psychology behind like, obviously if girls are doing that, it's working on us, right? It's obviously where that's what creates these trends right if one girl did but whole lips and it didn't do anything and it didn't I just think it looks someone said it looks good somebody else said oh looks like but whole lips and then that became popular because it sounds funny no you don't think there's some Freudian no in general that they would say you don't think that we're like Nat like the but whole thing we're gravitating to a

Starting point is 00:35:43 visual thing You could try to make I think the proliferation of pornography Sorry dog we're going hard here. He did it, Sal did it. Hey, it's a thing. Talk to your son. I couldn't believe it though. I saw this, I'm like, girls are actually posting this and saying that this is the look that they want.

Starting point is 00:36:15 Wow. You're gonna go tell your parents. It's almost as bad, thank God there's a transition for this, I've been waiting. I did it. Thanks, Jesse. This is painting, right? And it's like, beautiful painting of the Christ, and it's like, I don't know how old it is, very old. And you know how like certain curators, they

Starting point is 00:36:33 want to do touch-ups and kind of revise it? Yes, yes, yes, yes. So I don't remember the name of it. It's kind of ECC something Christ painting, but this lady literally just butchered it. Oh, wait a minute. I see this. It's so, it's not, I can't even, you have to see it because I can't even describe how bad of a job she, like, is she like a toddler that like recreated it?

Starting point is 00:36:59 The bottom one was her restoration. The bottom one is the restoration of it. What? It's not a joke? It's not like a joke? No, this really happened. The bottom one was her restoration. The bottom one is the restoration of it. It's not a joke. It's not like a joke. No, this has really happened. Like that's like if I would do a better job. It looks like, I think so too. So my son could have done a better job.

Starting point is 00:37:14 It's when it's something like that. Those people that are doing this, are they being hired to do that? Or yeah, from the museum, usually they go in and they touch it up and, um, to bring it back to life. What's the plus? I'm surprised nobody was like over a shoulder like What the hell you doing lady, yeah, you're ruining a priceless piece of art. Yeah, I've seen that before that was done what 2012 Yeah, somebody showed me that the other day. I was on the floor dude. I was like they're like I couldn't believe how bad it was Have you ever seen, have you ever seen,

Starting point is 00:37:52 uh, sometimes people will post these, it's like, like medieval paintings, but they're funny. So like, there's like, like obviously this person has never seen a horse before because they'll paint the horses like human eyes and a big bit of it. Oh bro, there's some funny or like there's like a baby, but it was just looks like a small adult and some of these You know these you know since you're bringing up all You bring up old news I did have an old topic that I'd seen it once before and I don't think I ever brought it up on the show and

Starting point is 00:38:15 So I wanted to ask you guys if you there's it. This is so it's old right as older news I think this happened like I want to say 20 years ago So it's been a long time, but I just I don't know if we can still do this or it happens, but the, uh, I believe the FBI was the one that put this sting operation on and what they were trying to do was get all of these parents that were not paying child support for like years and years and years that outstanding debt to for child support. And so they, they drafted like this crazy like lottery to win these like Super Bowl tickets or something.

Starting point is 00:38:49 And that tricked like, so they had like literally like hundreds of arrests in one time. And they, I mean, the whole thing is video document W to Google. Look up, look dirty. Yeah. And you stay up. There's like footage of this. There's like footage of them coming in. So exciting. Yeah. Even put like fake news reporters that are going like, so you won.

Starting point is 00:39:08 Are you excited? Oh, yeah. They're all there to get their thing. And then they come in to get their tickets that they thought they win. And the cops tell them they're there, and then arrest them right there. And I mean, there's a line of them just waiting to come in

Starting point is 00:39:19 and get their. Right in the paddy wagon. Yeah. I thought that was so crazy. Can we still do that? Is that entrapment? I mean, can you do that? No. You're not entrapment. Entrapment, I thought that was so crazy. Can we still do that? Is that entrapment? I mean, can you do that? No, you're not entrapment.

Starting point is 00:39:26 Entrapment, I think, is when you're really encouraging them to break the law to catch them. That's what I thought, too. They're not breaking the law. So you could technically do that. They're showing up to win a fake prize. Yes. Yes, total lie.

Starting point is 00:39:39 But when you arrest like 100 people in the street, did you find it, Doug? Yeah, I said police sent Super Bowl tickets to criminals to arrest them when they show up. Oh, that is. But I don't know if that's exactly the same thing you're talking about. See, that's when, like, it's fun to be a cop.

Starting point is 00:39:54 I feel like the same way too. I'm looking at the calendar. I'm like, bro, next week, we're going to have all the fake Super Bowl winners show up. It's going to be so fun. I feel like that's a safety cue. They're showing up in their jersey. Throw their face all painted.

Starting point is 00:40:04 They're like, yeah. I mean, you could tell. So. They're all their face all painted, they're like, yeah. I mean, you could tell, so the one that I saw, I mean, they really got into it. I mean, they hired a fake news crew to do the whole thing and a lady with a mic, they're like, all right, what are you gonna do? You know how excited, who are you gonna take? I'm going to Disneyland.

Starting point is 00:40:17 Yeah, it's like that. And they're all like all excited. Then the next clip is them inside the room and they're getting handcuffed and you can just see how fucking pissed they are. Deadbeat, that's what we get. That's funny. Did I tell you, I didn't tell you guys, clip is them inside the room and they're getting handcuffed. You could just see how fucking pissed they are. I didn't tell you guys that last night I was hanging out, uh, with Jessica and then my daughter, my 15 year old is hanging out and we're talking and, uh, and Jessica's like, Oh, you know,

Starting point is 00:40:36 I was listening to your 10 year anniversary episode and we were talking about it and my daughter goes, Oh, you have a 10 year anniversary episode. She's like, what are you guys doing? I'm like, Oh, we talk all about how the company started and all the memories. And she's like, I want to watch that. So my daughter showed some interest in my part. Did she watch it?

Starting point is 00:40:52 We watched 30 minutes of it. And then she kind of like, oh, she was like, She lost interest. But it's my 15 year old daughter. And she was kind of laughing a little bit. And some of it was embarrassing. She's like, did you really have episodes called sparkly taints?

Starting point is 00:41:05 I'm like, yeah, I'm sorry, honey But she was she's she was like getting into it a little bit which is kind of cool there it is right there That's the one operation flagship. Yep 1985 oh Arrested 101 people 101 people got arrested on that day. That's so great even better I would love to watch a night. Yeah, there is my free tickets watch the Washington Redskins That was the that was the we do that for child predators Yeah, who brought up the fire someone said that we got fires going on right now in Southern, California Go there. I know. Go there. Oh, I'm not going to see it. Don't give him up some bad shit.

Starting point is 00:41:45 Go there. Who brought up the fire? Someone said that we got fires going on right now? Oh yeah, in Southern California. Oh yeah, it's horrible. Yeah, it's bad. So again, this is... It just screams suspect for me because they were talking about all of the fire hydrants.

Starting point is 00:41:59 They didn't have water. And there's all this mismanagement going on. Here's the thing. If it's predictable predictable it's preventable I heard somebody say that that resonated with me. It's been so many times It's so frequent in this state like we've seen these these fires just come about and there's just this mismanagement There's a lot of debris that could have got cleared out They could have done a better job like it's just in the mayor is

Starting point is 00:42:23 conveniently in another country just like in in Maui it's like it screams the same exact kind of situation so we're we did have crazy winds and so you know there's this the the fires obviously took off because the winds like moved them yeah people's houses are getting we we know this about California consumed yeah we used to clear out the the forest and do controlled burns and stuff like that if they stopped doing it for the environment But they did and ended up causing more problems. Yeah, you know, I brought I brought it up because I actually had in my notes the Related that I didn't even know about the fires going on but I had to come across Dude, this is so cool. Have you guys seen the drones for fires?

Starting point is 00:43:06 They have drones for fires? Yes. Look it up, Doug. Now this seems so cool. Imagine, one, how quick you could deploy all these different drones. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:16 Like, I don't know why that, like, I never thought of, like, dude, why do we not have that already? We have fires to be sure of drones. Yes, they're exactly what they are. And I mean, we could put light shows together with hundreds and thousands of drones Imagine hundreds of drones going straight to a place that's on fire or a fire retardant. Yes foam or whatever Do you totally do you Google it done? Yeah, I found something here. Wow show the show the guys are cool

Starting point is 00:43:38 I thought oh man, what a great invention And I obviously haven't seen anything. I've seen the opposite. I've seen a flame throwing drone, and that was pretty gnarly. Is that the one where the guy, there was like a hornet's nest or something like that? Yes, yeah, they got rid of hornets. And he went out there and flew a drone

Starting point is 00:43:54 and burned them up. Yeah, and burned them up. Oh really? Yes, that's the kind of content I like. I've never preached that. Kill those wasps. Have you ever been stung by a wasp? Yeah, a million times. A wasp?

Starting point is 00:44:04 They're my arch enemy, dude. Really? Yeah, I have too. I've stepped in a nest. You've never been stung by a wasp? Yeah a million times. Why is my arch enemy dude? Really? Yeah I have to I've stepped in urban somewhere. I want snow bees. I've only got these things Oh, dude, I've we've had our run in a course to like I've you know I've messed with them and deserved it a few times, but like I just I was fixated on as a kid It was like me versus you saw a documentary Doug on it. Yeah, it's too long I just wanted the guys to see him because I think that I'm like dude. That is cool That makes sense and imagine how many firefighter lives that's gonna save and how you know You could send them directly right into the heart of everything like that's got a chain

Starting point is 00:44:39 That's got to totally change the way we fight fires in the future. Right? That'll be cool. Yeah I told you about that It was my fourth grade picture where I had a wasp stung me right before a picture day and my whole eye swole up. And so I did a side profile like this, and you could see like this huge swollen eye, dude. Did you get a glamour shot?

Starting point is 00:44:58 Yeah. Yeah, we've had our run-ins. What, is that, okay, so what are your worst school, I have a picture. I got a pretty bad one. I don't know. I was thinking. I let my mom, I never, you know, I don't really

Starting point is 00:45:10 care about doing my hair when I was in, you know, probably up until seventh grade, right? And I don't know what happened. I got a haircut from one of my cousins. And my mom's like, oh, let's spike your hair. She put mousse in my hair. Yeah. And it just goes like this. But it was like spiked everywhere. So I looked like Sonic the Hedgehog. And then she gave me spiked bangs. Please tell me you can find that photo.

Starting point is 00:45:35 Oh, I can. And I will never show you guys. Come on. Oh, look at this. There they are. Finally dug out. Look how sick that is. Whoa, dude. Isn't that cool? Yeah, that is very cool. We need those. That makes a lot of sense I mean and it's like The future is like mostly that right? Why why would you why would you send any firefighters or anything else but that?

Starting point is 00:45:54 Yeah, and to go handle all that stuff. I was even control for yeah, isn't that cool? Okay, so I had downward I had spiked bangs that were like stuck to my head because it was with moose and then and then And there's a picture of me like, you know, smiling like this with this hair. And my mom had it up forever. She recently took it down. But people would come over and they'd look at it. Everybody who walked, because my mom's hallway,

Starting point is 00:46:14 it's got pictures of us when we were kids, you know, and everybody would always stop there and go, huhuhuh. Like, oh, come on, man. They'd be like a backstreet boy. What? Oh yeah, bro. I had this stupid like, mushroom top, come on, man. I don't like that word. I look like a backstreet boy. What? Oh, yeah, bro. I had this stupid, like, mushroom top, you know,

Starting point is 00:46:28 like, kind of curly hair thing. And then, I don't know, dude. I think it was like fifth, sixth grade, something like that. But I had, like, you know, bugle boy. Remember those college shirts? Yeah, yeah. I had one of those. And so I thought it was all like, yeah, I'm sharp.

Starting point is 00:46:42 You know, I'm, like, really, like, dressed up. And I had, like, this gold, like, cross-chain and everything. It's so not my it was all like, I'm sharp. I'm really dressed up. And I had this gold cross chain and everything. It's so not my style at all. Looking back, I'm like, who is this imposter? I look literally like I can just. We got to bring them all in and get a vote from the staff on which of whose is the worst. So I have a fifth grade.

Starting point is 00:46:58 Mine's a fifth grade. I totally remember. It's always that age. That's when you're trying to figure out who you are. Yeah, you're kind of cool. Do you guys remember when this was the style to wear your hat? So I've got a wave that went like this. I have a fifth drape.

Starting point is 00:47:11 I've got the wave. Why are we the same? Touches the bill. The hair under the bill? I got a mullet. So I've got a mullet with the wave hair going and wearing the hat up like this. And I got my front two teeth are turned in and crooked.

Starting point is 00:47:23 It is like the worst. Wow, you might win. I want to say it might have been when we came back from Italy that year so I'm extra dark so I'm like really dark was it also for you? It might have been fifth grade. Wow, that would be a trip if all of ours were fifth grade. That would be really good. Because I know for sure mine's fifth grade.

Starting point is 00:47:51 I distinctly remember that photo. You know what? I'm pretty sure it's close to that. It would be great to put them together and make that like a shirt or something like that. And it has our kids' pictures. That would be our new bio picture. It could be.

Starting point is 00:48:04 I like that better than some of the other pictures we took. They're all mostly good. But some of them are like, I look like a predator on one. I'm like smiling all creepy. I'm like, what am I doing? I don't even know what's happening. Yeah, I don't pose well. There's that one of you, Adam, where

Starting point is 00:48:16 I don't know what the angle. Your head looks way bigger than the rest of you. Is that you know what I mean? Body is a different place. I did it right after I did that. I did it right after that. That ozipping challenge I did. I had a ozipping face in mine.

Starting point is 00:48:30 Doug, do you have a fifth grade picture? I do, but nothing too exciting. Black and white back then. Yeah, it was chiseled in stone. Oh man, you didn't have like a little rascals haircut? No, I did not. You didn't have any real bad haircuts you remember? No man, my parents, they policed my haircuts. Oh wow. Look kids, you were taking care of,

Starting point is 00:48:49 they took care of you. You look like Leave It To Bever. We used to. Yeah, pretty much. In high school, I mean, my parents didn't have anything to do with my haircuts. By the time I was in high school, we used to put the bowls on your head. Yeah. You put a bowl on your buddy, wait a minute. That's where that came from. I don't know that people actually did that. Oh yes. I thought that was a term. Oh no, you literally took a bowl that was standard, that we all use, and then one of us would...

Starting point is 00:49:13 The other guy, yeah, that's what we did. Oh my God. Now I know what just, I could 100% guess, 100%, I know I'm gonna be right. Military. The haircut you had for most of your life was a flat top. Yes, flat top military. For sure.

Starting point is 00:49:24 Not only that, but he carried the comb that you put your finger through. It's all the spikes. Yeah, and I just walked around the halls with rules. Backpack, he had the wax, the super stiff wax. You know what I'm saying? Between periods, you do this. Tell me what I'm wrong.

Starting point is 00:49:41 I mean, I did have a really short hair. I did have the crew cut for a while So it was very close to that. I had shaved head for most of it, which I just didn't like hair I was like no get out get off me and so I did the shaved head a lot and then Ironically the guy's never gonna lose his hair. That's it like it later on I grew it long and I did like the pompadour thing and I just I hated curly hair So I just any way I could make it straight like I would do it. The second most embarrassing picture of me I was 235 pounds terrible bulk of heavy boy and my hair was down to here but it was like

Starting point is 00:50:13 you guys remember Sylvester Stallone from Rock from Rambo when his hair's curly? Yeah. When the one where he shoots the... that was my hair bro came down to here and it was all curly. Did you wear a headband too? I was thinking you probably did put a headband on too. No. No, I didn't put it. I shouldn't have put it. Ooh. Flexing my arms. Try to look cool. Drinking rye.

Starting point is 00:50:35 Yeah, I did do that. I still do that. Hey, I gotta tell you, you know what I tried that I haven't used a lot of, but I think I actually might like it as their best product, the base layer from Caldera Lab. That's my favorite. I think I like that the best.

Starting point is 00:50:49 That's my favorite. I was always using the oil, which I like, but I think I like the base layer the best. I like the base, fresh out of the shower, and I know, I'm pretty sure I don't do the order correctly of what they recommended or whatever. Fresh out of the shower, I like the base layer. You're supposed to use them both, right? Yeah, I use both. I use both, and I like both. I mean, those are like, those two products

Starting point is 00:51:07 are like the staple product, that and the soap are the staple products that I use of Caldara Labs. But the base layer is what I like most. I like the base layer the most, and then the serum, I feel like I use that like when I get to work is when I'll put that on. That's awesome. Hey, by the way, we talked about this before, but again, last night I got home, after we got the news that our trainer course was approved for CEUs through NESM and who else? And AFA right now.

Starting point is 00:51:36 Just right now, I mean. But NESM's the gold standard. Well, I know. Once you get that. Yeah, I know Ann's working on that, and once you have that, all the rest of them kind of fall in line. It's 1.9 CEUs, meaning you don't have to get anything else just your CPR and that'll extend that'll maintain your certification

Starting point is 00:51:52 Yeah, right cuz you need to see user but it's it was just crazy I was driving home thinking about it and I'm like man. We created formal education Informal guys a couple guys that couldn't finish school. Well thanks to Justin. Speak for yourself. Justin did it. Begrudgingly. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:11 But it's, you know, if you're a trainer, you get our course. This now counts towards your education. It is a really cool, it's funny because, you know, I think that we just did our tenure and so there's been a lot of like, you know, processing and thinking back Is it really cool? It's funny because I think that we just did our tenure, and so there's been a lot of processing and thinking back to all the stories and the milestones. And I would actually count this as probably one of the biggest,

Starting point is 00:52:36 coolest milestones. Totally. Even though it doesn't do anything for downloads for us, the revenue didn't all of a sudden change. It isn't like this crazy thing that shifted But just the fact that we did that is kind of it wasn't like something we were pursuing or really wanted I thought was well first. I mean we have someone on our team and she's absolutely exceptional. She's an incredible educator She's very good The things that we're not necessarily good at organized and just she's just in just an animal

Starting point is 00:53:01 So she's really helped that process, but for me, there's a personal thing around it. For a long time, and if you listen to the podcast, you know this, I don't have a lot of formal education. I mean, at a high school, I was training clients. I had some certifications, but most of what I know was through experience and mentorship, working for some really brilliant people, learning myself, training clients. And what you hear on the podcast is that's where I got most of my knowledge or my education,

Starting point is 00:53:29 whatever came from that. And for a long time as a trainer, it was an insecurity of mine. When I would train clients, because a lot of the clients I trained were executives, and then they'd ask me, where'd you go to school? I remember feeling a little bit of like, oh well I didn't, I don't have formal education.

Starting point is 00:53:45 Now later in my career, I wasn't so insecure anymore about that, it actually became something I was like proud of to say, but I think there's still a little hint of it. So the fact that we have a course that we created that is now recognized as formal education. It's accredited. Oh, it's accredited, so cool.

Starting point is 00:54:03 I mean, you and I are very similar in that. That was a major being young and not having my degree in our field for a long time was a major driver. You know, you, you, you have to ask yourself though, did that, is that insecurity, what drove you to be so great? I don't know. I mean, I'm pretty sure it is. I think a lot of insecurity. I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure a is. I think a lot of insecurity. I'm pretty I'm pretty sure a big portion of my you know Career early on was driven and motivated by I don't have this degree Yeah, and I've got to prove myself to these people that do have though

Starting point is 00:54:36 You're probably right and so I'm on a mission to prove I'm as smart or smarter Therefore I got to do all this other outside learning, reading, mentoring, all the other things to get to that level and probably even when I had caught up equally in level, it still wasn't enough because oh, you don't have your degree.

Starting point is 00:54:55 Oh, you know, so then you felt like you had to do so much more. So, I wonder if I would have went through a, you know, traditional route if I would have not got to the same level uh as we are now or I have been. So you ever think about that? Like that insecurity probably drove you.

Starting point is 00:55:10 It's been a different path for sure. Probably I think you're right. I mean, similar to the physique insecurity, right? It's like you have this insecurity about being a small weak guy. So you got obsessed about building muscle and getting strong. Would you ever, if you were this totally secure kid with your physique, you might not have even cared about it. No, I remember one time in particular I had a client, it was, what was it, he was an anesthesiologist,

Starting point is 00:55:33 really, really smart guy, and I was training him, and this was like six months into training him, and he loved what I did, and we'd have these great conversations, and he's like, and we're talking, and I don't remember what word I said. We were talking about something not related to fitness. And I said something, and he looks at me and he goes,

Starting point is 00:55:50 I can tell that you've read that word and you've never heard it. And I said, what do you mean? He goes, well, you're not pronouncing it the way it's supposed to. And I immediately became insecure, like, oh. And he told me, he goes, it's a compliment. He goes, I said, do you have a formal education?

Starting point is 00:56:04 I said, no, he goes, I wouldn't have known that. He goes, but I could tell you like to read a lot on your own, and that was a little bit of a turning point where I felt a little bit more confident. But when he first said it, I was like, oh, I almost wanted to lie to him, like, yeah, I went to the university of. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:17 That's such a condescending way that most people weaponize that, you know, if they point that out on somebody. Totally. somebody it's just like Yeah to me I never got that like you're just gonna try and make this person feel shitty about how they're pronouncing a word It's so weird to me. No, but he was but he was good about that. He wasn't coming from a bad place I talked to him now as a super super good friend of mine, but I remember when he first said it I like was faced like oh, I mean, you know that's been a chip of mine forever. I can't pronounce anything right so yeah I have one point. I just know chip of mine forever. I can't pronounce anything right. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:45 At one point I just shifted over to- Well, I love how you own that though. I did, at one point I did. At one point I got to the place of like, man, like it would get me feeling insecure. It would stop me in my tracks. And I thought, man, I just, it's too much energy and effort, why?

Starting point is 00:57:00 I'm just gonna fucking own it. I get hammered in, do you guys ever see when I say creatine? How much people hate in the comments? It's, okay, fine, creatine. That's how you're supposed fucking own it. I get hammered, do you guys ever see when I say creatine? How much people hate in the comments? Okay, fine, creatine, that's how you're supposed to say it. But you know why I say creatine? When I first read and learned about it, this is how I heard some other experts talk about it. So for whatever reason, it stuck in my head.

Starting point is 00:57:18 But on our podcast, every time we talk about creatine and I say creatine or whatever, the comments are hilarious. Sal, say it right. I get it all the time. I have a lazy tongue. Whatever, whatever. You know more about it because of me. I have a lazy tongue, can't keep up with my brain.

Starting point is 00:57:33 That's how I'm sputting. I'm so fucking smart, my tongue can't keep up with it. It's too slow. That's hilarious. Anyway, it's good stuff. Hey, real quick, if you're a trainer or a fitness coach or thinking about becoming one, we have a coaching course. It's Mind Pumps Fitness Coaching Course.

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Starting point is 00:58:11 Go to mindpumpfitnesscoaching.com. All right, back to the show. First question is from Becca Fit. What is the biggest differences you guys see with someone who eats a high protein diet containing protein powders, bars, shakes, versus someone who eats high protein 100 diet containing protein powders, bars, shakes versus someone who eats high protein 100% through whole natural foods. Oh I wish we

Starting point is 00:58:30 had some really good like studies to prove and show what I know I've seen. There's anecdotally you've known the difference. Yeah well so I'll go through I'll mention the one that is shown by study and then I'd love your commentary on what you experience. You really tracked this, you really played with this. So here's the scenario. By the way, the scenario that I'm about to mention is rare because it's very rare for everything to be exactly the same.

Starting point is 00:58:54 Although Adam was able to do this because he measured and tracked everything as a professional bodybuilder. Okay, so nonetheless, let's just imagine two identical diets from a macro perspective. Exact same fat, exact same protein, exact same carbs, but one of them gets a lot of the protein from bars and shakes and powders. The other one gets their protein all from whole natural foods.

Starting point is 00:59:18 Here's what the data will show. The data will show that the satiety effect from whole natural foods is superior. Meaning, the protein that you get from whole natural foods is gonna be more effective at helping you control your appetite or reduce cravings. Now the reason for this is that bars, but especially shakes and powders, are essentially pre-digested.

Starting point is 00:59:43 When I'm eating a steak, I gotta chew on it, which actually starts the satiety process happening. Bars will do this to an extent as well, but definitely food. So it starts the digestive process. Then the food goes through my body, and my body has to break it down a lot more than especially a protein powder.

Starting point is 01:00:00 Protein powder is essentially pre-digested. You drink it, that process is bypassed in the mouth, and then it goes through the gut, and it gets digested and absorbed much faster, so you don't get that same satiety effect. So that's what the data will show. However, anecdotally, I think there's a lot more, and I'll go to Adam.

Starting point is 01:00:19 So, okay, so there's some other things that we know too, for sure. How it's affecting me, or why is it affecting me that way visually? Obviously, in a lot of processed foods, you've got a lot of other things too. Dyes and other chemicals that aren't in a whole steak or chicken. It's like, okay, so is that affecting my body a little different? Is that making me a little more inflamed?

Starting point is 01:00:39 Is that slowing down the digestive process? So something is there also. The other thing to consider when eating packaged and boxed foods is that the FDA allows it to be up to 20% off. So even though I think the macros are exactly identical, how do I know for sure when I'm dealing with a lot of packaged and processed foods?

Starting point is 01:00:58 Where I know if I take a steak or a chicken breast or rice and I measure it on it, like those are the macros. That's what what it is that's where the calories are where when I'm dealing with processed or packaged foods so I may even think that oh my macro because I that's what I don't know what I know is I saw the difference right I told the story before I ran a prep where I disciplined myself to do nothing but whole foods for the entire prep macros were all accounted for the next prep. I did the exact same thing, macros and everything,

Starting point is 01:01:29 but then I allowed myself to do shakes and bars and packaged food to hit my macros. And for me, there was a very clear visual difference. Now from a body fat percentage, it was relatively the same, but I could see and I felt a difference. The cravings, I definitely totally noticed. I found myself craving way more when I was eating bars and shakes. But I even noticed a visual difference. What do you look like? Just less inflammation?

Starting point is 01:01:53 Yeah, yeah, just I didn't look as good. I looked better on whole foods. And, but what I don't know is like I said, is it related to all the other things that are in processed foods? And then my body's reaction to that and my digestion to that, or it related to I thought my macros were exactly the same but they if every one of those food products that I was eating that was packaged could be up to 20% off maybe I really wasn't maybe I was eating a little bit more of a surplus than I thought so that affected the body fat percentage and the way I looked that's what I don't know for sure but I do know that there is a difference and I just think that it's probably a better safer route to it's what I don't know for sure but I do know that there is a difference and I just think that it's

Starting point is 01:02:26 Probably a better safer route to it. Now what I typically tell clients is like Our goal is always to go whole foods a hundred percent. The reality is I know how difficult it is I know you'll end up having to use a shake or a bar here and there and so that's not a bad thing But I think that bars and shakes have been advertised and promoted to us so heavily and strong that when my family members would tell me they're starting a diet, they would just go buy the shakes and bars because they think it's a healthy food and that you have to go do that stuff. And I'd be like, well, why did you buy the bars? Well, it's healthy for me, right? And it's like, well, no, that's not exactly. I mean, I guess it's better than you driving through McDonald's and getting a six-piece

Starting point is 01:03:06 nugget, but I mean it's not a better choice than four ounces of chicken with half a cup of rice. That would be a better choice. So I think that we've been promoted by the fitness and health space so heavily around these you know healthy processed foods that people actually think it's a better alternative than Whole Foods and it's not. So the goal is always, can we get this diet 100% through Whole Foods? If we absolutely have to, in a case of emergency or because I can't get my protein intake,

Starting point is 01:03:36 then I go that route. Super well said. I will say this, there are some potential advantages to bars and shakes or protein powders. One of them is convenience. So they're very convenient. I could take a baggie full of protein powder and if I miss my protein I don't have- It's easy to consume.

Starting point is 01:03:53 I could do it. It's easy to consume. And if you're trying to bulk and gain and your appetite is just, it's like, oh my God, it's hard for me to hit my protein and I can't eat any more food and you have a performance goal. Hard gainers, I love shakes and stuff for hard gainers,

Starting point is 01:04:08 because here you got a kid with a super fast metabolism, he's already eating 3,500 calories, he needs to eat another 50 grams of protein, and he can't, well, a shake, a shake will do that, and that'll make it easy. Those are the times where I think that they really do have the advantage. Next question is from Matt Roberts 84.

Starting point is 01:04:25 Which variation of shrugs do you all prefer? Hands in front, to the sides, or behind the back? You know, I like them all. I will say the one, and I bet Justin will agree with me because he did more Olympic lifting than all of us. Hands in the front shrugs tends to translate better to other lifts right because this is when you're gonna cursor yeah you get deadlift you're gonna

Starting point is 01:04:49 clean so you know hands in the front with the barbell I love the way it translates bodybuilders love them to the sides behind the back is tough those are for the special people you know you never see that and I like it for its novelty but I'm with you I like it, you know in the front because of the fact that I can actually translate that to a front squad or something like that Yeah, and it's a can you make it explosive? Yeah, I've seen you know how athletes do these and it's an explosive bar to the front because it translates to a clean I feel like I'm I'm not qualified to answer this

Starting point is 01:05:22 Falls in the same category as kind of forearms for me I don't ever train shrugs by themselves. I just don't I've found that the best my traps ever looked Was when I was doing cleans and heavy deadlifting that built them. Yeah by themselves It's a stabilizer muscle for so many upper body movements that if you properly program and and Cycle through phases of training like heavy and different movements There's so many great movements that incorporate the traps that develop them enough that I never felt like it was Underdeveloped to my shoulders and my back and the rest of my body So I just don't I don't mess with it same thing with my forearms if I'm heavy lifting deadlifting

Starting point is 01:06:00 And so my forearms come up if I do a heavy loaded pull-ups And I do dead lifting really heavy like the forearms come up. If I do heavy loaded pull-ups and I do dead lifting really heavy, like the forearms come right up too. So I don't know. I'm not I think that as a young kid, I did a lot of this stuff. When I was a young kid, I did a lot of forearm and shrugging and things like that, where I feel like it's such a waste of time in my programming. I know it's in Maps Anabolic. It's one of the number one questions. Why is there so many shrugs in there? That's because Sal wrote that when he was 16 years old. And he's still. I wrote that.

Starting point is 01:06:27 That's it. That's the Top Salary Program. You know, I like shrugs when I'm getting people to strengthen their shoulder girdle, helping them become better deadlifters. And if you're trying to become explosive with triple extension, it's actually the beginning, it's part of the beginning part of that lift.

Starting point is 01:06:44 And so it's a movement pattern that can be very important to train. Now, if you're just working out for a while and you wanna add a little volume to your traps training, then I'd say go for it. I still do shrugs, I don't do a lot of them, I still do them, but admittedly, Adam, it wasn't an exercise I often do with my clients.

Starting point is 01:07:03 Unless I was getting them good at deadlifts, then I would kind of throw them in first. Shrugs, the high pull, the hang clean, to clean, to all the rest of the Olympic lifts, yeah, it's kind of a nice progression that way. Yeah, but you're right. I mean, if you do a high pull, more technical, but a high pull's gonna blow up your traps more than anything.

Starting point is 01:07:18 Next question is from Morgale12. Is it true if you train abs with weights, it makes you grow a thick waist? Do you know how much you'd have to build weights it makes you grow a thick waist? You know how much you'd have to build your core muscles to develop a thick waist? You'd have to really hypertrophy the hell out of them. By the way, muscle growth and the abs is what you're trying to do when you train your abs. If you want them to be visible, you want to have abs that you can see that are built, they have to build a little bit and

Starting point is 01:07:45 strengthening them with weights is not a bad thing. Now here's the kicker or here's the caveat. You better have good technique. Most people who think that they can train with resistance with their abs actually has crappy technique. I've taken so many people who do weighted this that and the other and I have them do a physio ball crunch, lock their hips into place, do spinal you you know, lumbar flexion and extension, and all of a sudden they can only do seven reps, right? So you can use weight with perfect form. Otherwise it becomes a hip flexor exercise.

Starting point is 01:08:15 I'll also say this, a waist that is one inch bigger with pronounced abs looks better than a waist that's one inch smaller without visible abs. So I think this is like one of those things that's just so silly that people get caught up in is that, let me tell you, if your abs are visible because you train heavy and load and do your abs and they're pronounced, your waist will look better. I don't care if it's three inches bigger, it'll look better than the waist that's three inches smaller without visible abs. So it's like, I mean, Grow your shoulders, grow your back.

Starting point is 01:08:49 In the body sculpting world, which this is questions around that people like sometimes They go extreme. Well, and they get focused on the wrong things. It's like the squeams instead of wearing, you know, they do that so they can bring their waistline in. It's just like, yeah, but a waistline that is defined and muscular, even if it's an inch or two bigger, looks better than this waist that has atrophied all the muscle around it. Why create an unfunctional body just for a look? You know, you could do both. You can be very functional, very strong. I just don't, I don't get the whole like look of that in general too. It looks really good when you're muscular and if you need to get a little

Starting point is 01:09:29 leaner then focus on that. I mean that's that's it. So I mean not to go off on a tangent but bodybuilding took muscular development which was a side effect of physical performance and made the look the primary thing and because of that things got really distorted and weird. So a small waist, wide shoulders, what that signifies is leanness, high testosterone, strength, athletic performance. But then bodybuilding went extreme with it.

Starting point is 01:09:55 You know what happens in sports, if you have a 20 inch waist and super wide shoulders, you'll break your back the second you turn too fast. I'll target you and freaking destroy you. It's ridiculous. So what you want is a lean waist. That's what you want. And a lean waist is a nice looking waist.

Starting point is 01:10:12 But don't try to not develop muscles because you're looking for a particular look. That's silly. Next question is from Get Fit With Yas. When is the best time to ask a client to get their hormones checked? Right away. Right in the beginning. Yeah, sooner the better.

Starting point is 01:10:25 See where you're at. See where you're at and then check them again three or six months later and see what's happening. Are we seeing any changes, any improvements in your hormone profile now that we've started exercising and changing your diet? I would throw in blood sugar levels with that, IGF-1, testosterone, DHEA, estrogen. I would look at all the hormones at the beginning and then maybe six months later test again and see if there's any changes.

Starting point is 01:10:55 It's like any other assessment. You want to do it right away and it really doesn't matter per se what it says as much as it matters where we go from there. So it's like testing the body fat percentage. I'm gonna tell a client, we're doing it on day one, right away, I don't care if it's 35, 20, 60, all I care about is where it's at now

Starting point is 01:11:13 because I'm about to lay out a program and plan for you. And then what does that plan do? Do we improve the blood markers or they get worse? Is important, and so the sooner the better you want them to do that. So you can measure and make sure that we're heading down the right road. Totally. And if you see something that's off, uh, and you're, you know, six months later and you're doing kind of everything right and everything looking good and,

Starting point is 01:11:36 and there's still something off like hormone replacement therapy, sometimes, not all, obviously most of the time it shouldn't be, but sometimes is necessary and it's life changing. Like you have somebody with low thyroid or testosterone, especially somebody over age of 40 and they start to change their lifestyle, things are healthier, and they're just like, why is my thyroid still low and they can't figure it out?

Starting point is 01:11:58 And then they supplement with medication, get that right, life changing. One of the most difficult things to do when I was a trainer was to help Somebody with an imbalance hormonal II when someone's in balance hormonal II I don't care if you they're on a perfect diet But you a lot of times they won't see the results that they should be seeing and so I want to find that out before We hit that because that's what becomes challenging the trainers like man. I know I know she's got a good diet I know we're doing things. Yeah, we're doing doing all the right things I don't understand why I say well

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