Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2514: Focus on Behaviors Instead of Feelings to Get Lean & Jacked (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: January 18, 2025

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You can find them all at mapsjanuary.com. All right, here comes the show. When you're trying to get in shape, when you're trying to get lean or jacked or strong or just fit, you will fail if you fight the bad feelings. It's not the feelings you need to fight, it's the behaviors.

Embrace the feelings and then work on your behaviors. This is the only way you'll find long-term success. Let's talk about what these feelings are and how you can work through the behaviors that they cause. I like this. Yeah. And I like the first one that you have noted right away because I do think that there's a lot of nuance around it and I think that we've communicated it a different handful of times.

I think there's sometimes is confusion around these signals or feelings that you're having and why you have to be careful because I think sometimes you play these mind games with yourself and get yourself in trouble instead of like focusing on the plan. Well, yeah. I mean, human psychology, what we know, which is pretty well established, is if you have a feeling

and you try to deny it or bury it or avoid it, it doesn't go away. No, it comes back louder. It manifests into all kinds of dysfunctional and strange ways and we see this a lot, I mean you see this everywhere, right? You see this with relationships, you see this with parents and their children

and how they raise their kids. But when it comes to health and fitness, this is a big one and in the whole space, the whole fitness space sometimes rallies around this idea that feelings are, that there's wrong feelings and then there's right feelings. And if you have the wrong feelings, well then there's wrong feelings and then there's right feelings. If you have the wrong feelings, well then there's something we need to figure out and fix.

The first one that I have listed is hunger. I mean, how many diets, how many plans, how many, never feel hungry again. Don't worry about hunger. The enemy with your diet is hunger. And it's like, well hunger is It's not something to ignore Um, it's it's it's not a bad feeling it exists Now, of course if you're too hungry or that can tell you a few different things, but I think people are so afraid of hunger

That when it happens, they'll either deny it Uh, or they'll try to fight it with hacks and tricks which I get to an extent or they'll try to fight it with hacks and tricks, which I get to an extent, but if you don't embrace it and then okay, what is this hunger causing? What are the behaviors that I end up engaging in because of the hunger? That's what you need to focus on. And when I figured this out as a trainer,

I became far more effective with my clients versus the beginning years as a trainer where everything I was trying to do was to, like how do we not ever get hungry again? Like, that's a terrible mistake. I would even make the argument that a lot of times it's misinterpreted as hunger. And a lot of times it's just cravings or behaviors that you've built or bad behaviors that you've built around, you know, certain eating.

I mean, there's, I know I have, I have my own that I know for sure have. I'll eat a full dinner and, uh and the craving of wanting an ice cream or something afterwards and I know I'm not hungry, I just hate, you know, but you tell yourself like, oh man, I'm still hungry. I'm still hungry. It's like, no, it's a craving and a habit that I've built around late night snacking and stuff like that. And so, and then also we've talked before about, you know, hunger signals can be a sign of like, you're cutting too hard or too much. But the truth is that's a very normal feeling.

And I think learning to get comfortable in that is key. I've talked about this too, that, you know, I used to play this game with myself when that would creep in and I would tell myself, oh, that's my body switching over to, to metabolize body fat, you know? And so, uh, you know, I positive spin on it. Right, right. I could get up and I could give into this craving of getting some popcorn right now late at night and justify, Oh,

it's only so many hundred calories or make a healthy snack to your point. Or I could sit in this feeling that isn't uncontrollable and isn't crazy. But yeah, maybe a little uncomfortable because it's new feeling to me, knowing that, oh, you know what? I'm metabolizing fat. I'm getting leaner sitting here relaxing. Well, I think too, yeah, to understand between the different signals of hunger or craving, you really have to go through, everybody should go through one period of at least

depriving, like having a fast, like a 24 hour fast. I just feel like, if you can, if you physically can do that, just from that behavioral aspect of really understanding when that signal shows up, when you're actually really hungry and you should feed yourself versus if I'm just seeking out something for comfort or for social reasons or whatever the case. Yeah, look, there's a spectrum of hunger

and there's a normal range. If you are eating less calories or taking in less energy, it's a different way to put it, than you're burning, it is normal, it is natural different way to put it, than you're burning. It is normal, it is natural to have a signal of hunger that is higher than it would be when you're eating as much energy as you're burning or more energy especially than you're burning. It's totally normal. In fact, if you never felt hungry, something might be wrong with you. So it's a normal feeling. My point with this is it's normal and

what happens when you go from never eating in a deficit, right, never, or almost always eating as much energy as you're burning, or more energy than you're burning. So let's say you really haven't watched your diet for a long time, you're not exercising, you're 30 pounds overweight, 40 pounds overweight, whatever. Then you decide, I'm gonna track my food,

I'm gonna try and reduce my energy intake through whatever method, and then you start to feel like a stronger hunger signal, of course, and it feels different and foreign to you. Well yeah, because before you weren't in a caloric deficit, now you are. So you embrace it, and so like what you said Adam, I remember figuring this out for myself, now I almost never put myself in a calorie deficit growing up because I would my insecurities around being too skinny. So I was always stuffing myself. But the first time I really tried to get shredded, I actually had to put myself in a deficit and then I felt this feeling that was like huh? Which when I

was a kid if I felt hungry I would stuff myself beyond right? So all of a sudden feeling hungry and what I had to do is, oh, my body's tapping into stored energy. Once I embrace the feeling of being like, oh, I know what this feeling means, then it was not a problem. But if I tried to avoid it, then what ends up happening is it manifests

through different ways. So I would have the same communication with my clients. They'd say, well, I'm feeling a little hungry. And I'd say, okay, well, your protein intake is good. I'd look at all the common things, right? Protein intake's good, we're not too high of a deficit. Well, yeah, you're gonna feel a little hunger and acknowledge it and embrace it.

Yeah, I'm hungry. Don't try to avoid it or bury it or deny it, like, oh, I'm not hungry or face it Yeah, or you know embrace it and then what happens is your behaviors are more manageable if you don't Embrace the feeling that is normal then good luck trying to change your behaviors now You're just you're running blind. It's very very difficult cravings also can be quite normal, especially when you're running blind, it's very, very difficult. Cravings also can be quite normal, especially when you're changing your lifestyle. Many times cravings are just,

anytime you change something that you're used to, your body wants to go back to your comfort, and one of the ways that it does that is it'll ramp up cravings. So you may have more craving. In other words, to give an example, you may often snack or overeat when you're stressed out. That's a common one.

Like when I'm really stressed out, I tend to find myself eating foods that are hyper palatable. And now I'm gonna change that. What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna avoid these foods. I'm gonna avoid snacking when I'm stressed out. Well, now your body, your mind, your brain is saying, hey, what's going on here? I'm used to placating this craving with snacks.

Now you're not giving me snacks. I'm gonna ramp up this feeling, which is normal. And so you kind of have to embrace it. Of course I have cravings. Usually when I'm stressed out, I grab candy. This time I'm not. I'm going to know, I'm going to have more craving. The fact embracing some of these feelings means

anticipating you're gonna have them in the first place, which actually arms you for this even more. If you know going into it, I'm going to feel hunger, I'm going to feel cravings, then it actually arms you when these feelings pop up so that your behaviors can be much more manageable. Yeah, I believe it has a kind of a snowball effect too of like the more wins you stack up

with getting comfortable without the easier and easier it gets. Totally. If you always give into it, then it feels so overwhelming because it always gets you, you know, versus you start to reframe that and look at it like, oh, my body's metabolizing fat right now. I'm getting leaner watching Netflix. This is awesome.

And getting comfortable with that, you start to get excited about it and you get better at it and it gets easier and it gets easier. If you give in every single time and have this attitude of like, oh, it's just, it's so hard or it's just so not worth it. It's so not worth it to give up all that for hardly any body fat percentage

or hardly any weight on the scale. And so, F it type of, if you have that attitude, then yeah, it's always gonna get you. But the better you are at reframing it the better you are getting comfortable with those feelings and embracing it The easier it will get totally I think too like It takes it takes a lot of work to build Associations with certain foods that benefits you as well to create those cravings You know in a positive way.

Oh, good point. Which was difficult for me. I remember going through like crucifix, crucifix. Thank you. You got it. Crucificus vegetables. Yeah. And so I intentionally started to slowly eat them, but try my best to feel the positive effects of it energy wise or digestion wise.

And so just to keep painting the digestion, digestion and eat it, it started to slowly over time, I go travel and I'm like, Oh my God, I need to get some of these vegetables in order to feel better. I feel like, you know, blocked up. I feel like I'm not really, you know, getting as good a sleep like all these other things associated with that. And so it started to build up a case for it internally. And I'm like, oh, now I actually have cravings for this food. Great point.

Such a great point, Justin. And you just reminded me, that was what switched me from not being a big vegetable eater or even liking vegetables and fruit for that matter, was going on a really, really strict diet for an extended period of time where I was in a caloric deficit many, many times. Where I finally got to the point where I probably dipped into true hunger multiple times. And when you truly are hungry, it's amazing how those foods start to taste. They taste way different than when you're always filled up and overaturated. It's like, and that reignited and changed the relationship that I had with all those food groups. It was something

that I was like, repulsed or never wanted. Whereas like, oh, when I actually got into this place where I actually was really hungry because my body was deprived of calories, when I fed it these, these nutrient dense foods like fruit, vegetables aren't as dense, but they're still give you some nutrients and you would get that and go, oh wow this tastes so much better than what it tastes before. So I think it's for that reason another great way to reframe it of like, hey I'm going through this process knowing that I'm gonna help rebuild or change the relationship that I have with these foods that I know are healthy for me, but I don't tend to crave or want

very often. Yeah, Next is lack of motivation. Lack of motivation is normal. How many things have you read, how many things have you seen on social media that make you believe or sell the idea to you that lack of motivation is not normal? Fight it. Oh, you're not motivated?

Fix that problem. You're not motivated? Here's, the truth is you're going to be motivated sometimes and sometimes you are not. It's not normal to always be motivated all the time for all things. That just doesn't happen. There are going to be times when you're not motivated

and what you have to do is anticipate it and embrace it. So you're just starting your workout plan. It's January. It's a new thing for you. You're probably very motivated. New Year's resolution, Let's make this happen Well now 30 or 60 days passes by that motivation starts to fade. Do you stop? No and you anticipated I know April is gonna come around

I'm not gonna want to do this as much as I am right now This is going to feel boring or more boring than it did when I first started I'm gonna wake up and want to stay in bed instead of going to the gym. Whereas right now I feel like I want to go to the gym. So I know what's going to happen. I'm going to embrace it and I'm going to look at my behaviors. Otherwise, if I fight this feeling and try to work around it, um, what'll end up happening is my behaviors will be ruled by it and I'll end up stopping

my workout, which is what happens oftentimes when people lose motivation. This is why you hear us constantly on the podcast talk about how we kind of talk people down on their commitment to the gym at first. Because most people that are calling in or talking to us or getting started in the gym are highly motivated in that moment of time and many times will overextend or overreach their commitment to

their fitness journey when they don't need to do nearly that much to see positive change and start to build some good habits and behavior and you're far better off starting off with something that you know you can commit to and build on that then because right now it works for your schedule. I mean how many times have you heard that like, I have this break with work for the next month, or I've got this thing where I don't have this project going on, and so I've got the time. And so now it's like, well, that's not a good strategy, because you have this moment of time, you have extra time,

and so now you're gonna go all in on it when eventually you know you're not gonna have that time anymore, which means it's gonna be that much more difficult to say, no, you're better off. When you're the busiest you can be, what is the least amount you have to commit to this and start with that and build on it? Yeah, I'm always hesitant when that energy is really condensed and intense. It's like to be able to draw that out further out and really think from a longer perspective.

That's definitely the mature trainer in me that finally figured it out. It's like now conveying that to people kind of getting started. It's a difficult task, but it's something that needs, the conversation needs to happen. Because. Yeah, 100%.

Here's another one. Being self-conscious in this process, especially when you first get started, is normal. You are focusing on your body. You're focusing on the things you need to change. That means you are going to have feelings of being a bit more self-conscious with how you look, with how you're performing. Oh my God, I can't do this exercise.

Oh, wow. I'm really aware now of how my clothes fit. I'm really aware now of my lack of fitness or that I need to lose this weight. That's a normal feeling. It's totally normal because you are placing more of a focus on yourself. So anticipate that, embrace that it's going to happen so that it doesn't pull the levers behind the scenes.

That's when it becomes a big problem. When you're trying to fight it too much or focus too much on it, is when it starts to drive behaviors that aren't so great. Know that it's going to happen. Know, look, I'm going to start working out. I'm going to be more aware of the fact that I can't run for 10 minutes or the fact that I'm doing that exercise. I thought I could lift that much.

I can't even lift as much as I thought. Or, man, I'm so sore, I thought that workout was really easy. Normal feelings. Those are normal feelings when you first start on this process. I would even go as far to say, be careful. You're your worst judge. I mean, we've talked about this also many times.

How many times have you seen a client or even yourself tell a story where you look back at a picture four or five years ago and you're like, man, I was in great shape right there. And then you recall how you felt about yourself at the time because of how self-conscious we are about ourselves. And so I would even go as far as to tell a client, be careful because even when you're doing good, you'll pick apart how well you're doing. And then that could really start to get in your head and make you start to change behavior

based off of how you feel. So I wouldn't trust my feelings in this situation because of those things. I'm gonna look at things that are very objective where it's like, oh, I was this strong a month ago, this is how strong I am now. I wasn't able to do this, now I could do that. Far better judge of your progress

and how you're doing on your journey versus yourself who is constantly, yes, constantly picking yourself apart and finding all the flaws in your physique, in your reflection. Be careful because that is definitely will lead you down a path of bad behaviors. Totally. Also anticipate this normal feeling. Wanting to escape challenge is very normal. It's a very normal feeling. Anytime we're challenged, we're uncomfortable. There comes a point where we want to run or escape from it.

And this can take the form of many things. Like I'm not working out anymore. I'm going to go off eating in a particular way. I'm going to light up a joint or whatever. Like it's very normal to want to escape the challenge, anticipate it, know that, oh, here I am wanting to escape from this feeling. Why am I want to escape the challenge, anticipate it, know that, oh here I am wanting to escape from this feeling.

Why am I wanting to escape this? It's uncomfortable. Well guess what happens in uncomfortable places? Change. And what am I trying to do? I'm trying to change. So let me just stay in this uncomfortable feeling for a little longer. This reminds me of the story I've told many times as an early trainer, and this of course

repeated so many times with different clients throughout the years, but first time this happened to me I was a young trainer. I'm training this woman, she's I don't know probably in her early 40s and she's doing a tricep press down. She'd never strength trained before, never exercised before and I don't remember what rep we were on and it was appropriate weight. I wasn't training her too hard or anything like that and she's doing it and then she suddenly lets go of the bar and the weight stack slams, and she, oh, she makes this noise.

I thought she hurt herself. I said, is everything okay? She goes, it hurts. And I said, oh my God, your elbow? Like, show me where it hurts. And she pointed to her tricep. And as we were talking, I realized, oh, that's just your muscle burning.

That's what you want. You're not used to this, she's not used to that feeling. That she wanted to run away and escape from that challenge. And then what dawned on me later on that day, because I kept thinking about that, because I had worked out for so long as a kid, I never really understood that. And then it dawned on me,

people who are really experienced, who've been working out for years, or playing sports for years, they don't run away from that feeling. In fact, people who are experienced get that pain more intensely than a beginner, but yet they don't run from it. I've been working out now for years and feeling that pain, actually, I kind of embrace it and run towards it.

But in the beginning, you're going to want to escape. You're going to want to escape all of the challenges that you're going to encounter on this particular journey. Anticipate it. Be like, oh, there I am, wanting to run away, so let me just sit in this uncomfortable feeling, because that's what makes me change. I've been talking about this with my youngest

because I just noticed a pattern where he will get really angry and will not want to get up and do what he loves to do and do these sports. And I'm realizing it's just because he's scared and he's somewhat fearful of doing the wrong thing or he's just anticipating, he's anxious over it, but doesn't know how to articulate it. And so his answer is to just disassociate and try to push back and not be a part of it. And I'm like, it's trippy to me,

but I kind of understand now where that's coming from and how to address it. I used to tell my clients, if sexy was easy, everybody would be it. Yeah. I used to say the same thing. So I'd say- That's a 20 year old trader.

Yeah, right? Embrace the challenge. We're gonna make mistakes. We're gonna have some setbacks. We're going to make mistakes. We're going to have some setbacks. We're going to make some wrong turns. That's part of this process. And if it was easy, everybody would be it. And so I'd let them know that upfront.

And so when those inevitable challenges arose, they didn't want to just run and disassociate or quit and give up. It was, we were ready for this. We knew it was going gonna be hard and difficult. That's also what's gonna make it so rewarding on the other side. And so having them to focus on that versus thinking that we're gonna avoid

all these pitfalls and challenges instead. Yeah, we're gonna see it. That's part of it. The challenge is what makes it rewarding. That's right, that's right. All right, so I wanna ask, since we're talking about fitness and nutrition, what was, I know the answer, but what was the number one

consideration that you had to take whenever working with your clients on eating a good breakfast? What was the big challenge, big thing that you would consider? Similar to the gym, one of the C's. Yeah, convenience, right? Convenience. Convenience.

It's the one meal that everybody seems to leave the least amount of time seas. Yeah convenience convenience. It's the one meal easy that everybody seems to leave the least amount of time for. Totally. They're running out the door especially if you have kids. Nobody wakes up way before they need to go to work. Unless you're a psycho and you wake up early like just boom and everything clicks. Yeah I mean it's always about convenience. In fact this was the first breakfast was the first meal to become hyper-processed in Western societies. It was breakfast cereals that were really the first accepted processed food

because you wake up in the morning and it's like, oh, gotta go to work, gotta get the kids ready, whatever. So convenience being the top one. And then in that, you know, as trainers and coaches, we know that protein and fiber are really important because both of those help control appetite throughout the day, blood sugar throughout the day, which drives behaviors. That being said, our partner, Creature at Habit, their high protein oatmeal is, in my opinion, one of the best nutrition partners that we have

because it takes care of all of those. It's such a great commercial for the topics that you chose to talk about today because this, I'm not a fan of oatmeal, but I eat it all the time because of that, because it's convenient, especially creatures of habit with the high protein. And it's like, that's always the barrier. It's always been the excuse, oh, I wanna sleep in, oh, I don't have time. And so finding something I can do.

And I just, I've never been a fan of oatmeal and the taste of it, but because it is so convenient, it is so good for me, it's so quick and easy, it's become something that I've trained myself to do on a regular basis. And so here's an example of something I don't allow my feelings to drive, you know, oh, I don't like that breakfast.

It's like, no, listen, I either skip it or I make a bad choice. I can eat that even if it's not my favorite thing to eat. You like the result. No, exactly. And so, and I know how important it is to start the day off in the right direction because it really sets the tone for everything else. 100%. It's so hard to make up the rest of the day off in the right direction because it really sets the tone for everything else. It's so hard to make up the rest of the day

when you don't get a good start. And so if I don't have the perfect, most best tasting breakfast in the world because I don't have a lot of time, that's something I can do consistently, I can commit to. And so what a great example with what you're talking about. It's the meal that's always on the run. It's always the rushed meal.

So the fact that we have an oatmeal that's 30 grams of protein, it's got healthy fats, probiotics, electrolytes, it's got, so they have seven flavors now. Maple caramel is my favorite one. But you know, chocolate, apple cinnamon, blueberry, banana. Now I'll do two packets? No, not right now. packets no not right now no no I was in bulk if I'm in bulk mode and I'm trying to 30 yeah once once plenty to

get me going if I was in bulk and increasing calories and I that I need to do two of them but one of them is normally pretty good occasionally I'll do two but normally I'm just one yeah I gotta tell you guys about my kid he cracks me up so much like you know, you heard the term boy energy, you know, when your kids are just, okay. I was reading some. I live in the house of it, yeah. I was reading, yeah, that's right,

your house is all boy energy. All boy, even the animals. Even the animals. I was reading this, who was I listening to? It was like a child expert, and they were talking about how little boys can get these bursts of testosterone and get this wild energy or whatever.

And I was under the impression that like boys' testosterone is no different than a little girl's testosterone until they go through puberty. That's actually not true, it's actually still higher. And testosterone can cause, you know, like that kind of dopamine behaviors or whatever. Anyway, my son just gets these bursts of energy and he was sitting in the living room and he's looking at like pictures on on my wife's

phone and he just ran randomly he just looking at it goes yeah and he just throws her phone across the room and it hits the wall and I see the look on his face he's like oh sorry like he had no idea yeah I just got excited I'm sorry, like he had no idea. Yeah. Like what happened? Like he just reacted to it. Like what happened? He's like, I just got excited. I'm sorry I threw your phone. I can't get mad at the kid, you know? But I just, I'm watching him, because I was actually watching him,

like doing this, and he's scrolling through, and he's like, yeah! He's just like, oh my God, dude. What's wrong with you, bro? Poor Jessica, she's got that all day long. I'm sure that happens to her probably once, at least once a day, every day. I hope she has a good cover for it. Oh man, she just, I just got a all day long. I'm sure that happens to her probably once, at least once a day, every day. She has a good cover for it.

Oh man, we had, she just, I just got a text this morning, she goes, okay, he can't play with the Nerf guns anymore, we have to put them away. Because we constantly have to tell him, don't shoot anybody. You can shoot targets, but don't shoot us. And he remembers until he forgets. Because what he does, he gets excited.

He gets all psyched, and then next thing you know, I come around the corner, he's like, pop, pop, and he hits me, I'm like, buddy, you can't shoot people, those things. You have to wonder, too, sometimes, with a kid that's got that, at that age, and that boy energy, it's almost like he's white, and you tell him he can't, and it's like,

oh god, I wanna do that so bad, you know? Would it be better off just not telling him, and you're almost more likely for him to do less of it. Well, you know what it's like if you have like a really active dog and you don't take your dog outside to run and play and do crazy shit and your dog chews up your furniture, it's your fault. Yeah. It's your fault.

He needs to run, dude. He needs to go out and get dirty. And so, so it's like, that's what, if we're stuck in the house, cause it's raining, I'll, well I'll figure out a game where he's running along. You gotta get more kids over and get the goggles and like have full on wars. That's the only way it solved it for me. Cause we went through the same process and we're like every party or like, like hang out became just like nerf wars outside. Everybody's outside.

Everybody's got goggles. I made sure the parents were cool with it. You know, you guys could shoot it, you self-regulate, you know, because they're not going to get hurt as fricking nerf, but they're going to cry. The goggles, that's about it. Yeah, the goggles is it. Yeah. Those things fire pretty good though. Oh yeah. And then it turns into airsoft and then it turns into paintball. I'm finally through that.

One pump, one pump BB guns. Oh yeah. Did you get that kid who does the two pumps? He's got this one Nerf gun. It's got a drum on it with like six, you could put like six bullets. Yeah, dude. And then some of them are automatic. They've evolved so much since we were kids. The whistling huge ones.

What was the first, how about that for a trivia for you guys? I mean, when did Nerf, when did Nerf get started? It happened to me when I was a kid. Nerf footballs was the big first. That was the first one, right? That was first. And then when did like the guns and the arrows and all this stuff. That was a game changer.

It was. I didn't play Nerf come when I was a kid. Did you guys have them? I don't think they had them when we were kids, right? Yeah, I remember having slingshots. Slingshots. Yeah, doing a lot of damage with those. I remember being a young teenager and playing with my cousins, in fact, Brett and them. So

Brett's like, what is he, almost eight years younger than me or so. And they had like, they had the crossbow one. And it was like, it was a crossbow or a regular bow. I don't remember if it was a crossbow. It was, it was a bow bow and arrow one. That was fun that. And so I was, and I think that was kind of the beginning of really saying, Oh, let's see what it is. Eighties. Oh, so it was late eighties, late eighties though. So it was nine sharp shooter released in 91. Show me the, show me the sharp shooter and let me see what the fire darts are.

Cause too, we had laser tag guns. Oh, there's the bow and arrow at 91. We had the water gun. By the way, by the way, I got to ask you guys this about the Nerf. Super suckers. The Nerf football, cause this is what you played at school. Who owns that? Is that a publicly traded company or is that a... I don't know.

Is it Mattel? Oh yes, Mattel I believe. It's gotta be Mattel. Started in 1969. Parker Brothers. So the Nerf football, this is what everybody had at school because I think the teachers thought it was safer or whatever. Who the hell bites that all the time?

Do you guys always see a bite out of the damn Nerf football? Why? Why was there always a bite? It's that one kid that's a little off. He's just like, huh? What are you doing, Mike? Those were so cool though. You could send those so far, man. Remember the one that was like... Whistle?

Yeah, and there was one that had like a corkscrew to it that would always, you know, you could always... I like that one. These are some of the early ones right here? Yeah, this is Sharpshooter. Oh, I don't remember the Sharpshooter. Bro, they have. I remember the one on the left right there that you just showed. They have some now that are fully automatic.

So OK, so give me the history. So Mattel owns Nerf. Parker Brothers. Oh, Parker Brothers. Oh, the game company? Mm-hmm. Wow. They have Monopoly and Clue.

What a company. And also Nerf. Are those like their three big things? Monopoly, Clue. What a company. And also Nerf. Are those like their three big things? Monopoly, Clue, and- No, Parker Brothers does more than that. They do more than that, but those are- But yeah, board games were their big start. Monopoly, guaranteed way of getting a fight

with your family. Guaranteed. So interesting. We still have the beef. What an interesting trio though, right there. Nerf, Monopoly, and Clue, very, very different. Very different. All games.

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's almost like a different group of people you're targeting for each one of those. Kinda. Yeah. I mean, you're always going to war with each other, I guess. So you still have a beef with your cousins over Monopoly?

Yeah, mainly my one cousin. She's just so vindictive, like just very cheap. Like she Yeah, like I knew she was stealing, taking it from the bank. I just I don't know, we always used to get into it. Because like, for some reason, you know, once you like dominate a certain part of the board, you're like, one screwed. Yeah, like the whole rest of the game. And would draw it out and it would go Almost into like one in the morning, you know kind of crazy time and it was just melee and fight every time It's it's actually of all the games It's one of the better ones that would teach kids

Generally how you invest and how you use your money So I remember figuring out the strap first when I when I was a kid, when I was young, the way I played Monopoly was to save my money. And then I figured out, oh no, no, spend as much as you can buying property. That's how you win. And as I got older, I'm like, that's not a bad lesson to learn.

Yeah, you get 200 bucks, you know, you're trying to figure out how you can make it through. Now you have, what's-his-face's game, Cash Flow. What's that? Oh, Robert Kiyosaki? Yeah, Kiyosaki's game. yeah for teaching. I mean, that's a game that I'll have I'll have max play It's like a more sophisticated Learning like monopolies definitely got some lessons like to teach you that it's a good great game for sure It's like the next level to that for sure. I'm gonna change

directions here because we're getting we've been getting messages on peptides, but in particular growth hormone releasing peptides. Those seem to be the most popular ones that people ask us questions about. So for people who don't know, mphormones.com is our partners where you can work with peptides, hormone therapy, all that stuff. And whenever we talk about peptides, we'll get messages on like, what about the ones that raise growth hormone? Are they effective? There's different ones. therapy, all that stuff. And whenever we talk about peptides, we'll get messages on like, what about the ones that raise growth hormone?

Are they effective? There's different ones, which one does what? So there's two main ones that I think are the best ones to go with. There's Tessamarylin, and then there's one called Ibutamorin. Ibutamorin. And there's a difference between them.

Tessamarylin's injected, raises growth hormone. Ibutamorin's a capsule that also raises growth hormone, but Ibutamorin will raise your appetite, whereas Testimarylin will not. So one is probably better for fat loss, the other one's probably better for bulking. I would add to that, I noticed a difference sleeping-wise on Ibutamorin than I did.

Slept real hard. Yeah. Those are the ones I liked about it. Yeah. I mean, man, for someone who's trying to bulk, the increased appetite and the hard sleeping is like a double whammy. It's like, anything about training hard

and trying to recover, being able to get good deep sleep and then also be able to eat the extra calories, I think that's the coolest part that I've noticed when we took that one. Yeah, and the people will say good strength gains, increased growth hormones, good for skin, fat loss, the whole thing, and then some capsules. Are we still, I mean, I know we go,

I feel like we kinda go waves on the show of talking about peptides, if it's making the news, or big stuff, are we constantly seeing new ones evolve and come out, or does it seem like they're we've we've gotten most of what we're gonna get Out of it, or do you think they're always evolving and there's so many of them that I just learned more I just learned about like there's one called SS 31 I think maybe Dougie Google it from Loop on was new for me that was new, but I don't think that was available except through yes

That was new, but I don't think that one's available except through the great market. But getting it from a pharmacy, there's one called SS31 which helps improve mitochondrial function and what a lot of people are saying is it's helping them with things like chronic fatigue. So people say, man, I'm just tired, I don't know why. And then they'll take SS31. Oh yeah, there it is right there. It targets the mitochondria and it improves energy production, ATP in the mitochondria.

I've used SS-31 and I liked it. Yeah, because we have access to all of them, so I use them all. Did you do it in combination with any sort of mushrooms or anything like that at all? Oh, nothing like that. Not like psychedelic mushrooms. I know that.

Okay, I was like, you give me that look. Like I had to, like I meant like. What are you saying, bro? Yeah, nothing like that. I'm still Simon, though. Okay, I was like, you give me that look. Like I had to, like I meant like. What are you saying, bro? Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm still saying. No. That's so. Yeah, it was groovy. Yeah, it was weird.

I saw all kinds of weird stuff. Yeah. No, so it's being investigated for mitochondrial diseases, neurodegenerative diseases, cardiovascular diseases, kidney diseases, and then they say it's potential anti-aging therapy. Might have some anti-cancer effects as well, but I've tried it and I tend to feel more energy as a result from it.

But you know, these pep, this whole peptide world is so fascinating to me. Um, in fact, I ran into a friend of mine, he's a, he's a surgeon and he was talking about, he has some shoulder pain and I said, Hey, have you looked into peptides? He's like, no, I'm like, dude, like you're, you know, he's a medical no. I'm like dude like you're you know The medical surgeon I'm like I so I send him a couple said look into these Because they might help you with your healing repair and he's super psyched about it. Oh, that's cool Yeah, really really cool dude ever had his first game this weekend, huh? He did. Yeah Yeah, he did really good. I was nerve-racking like I've told you guys. I'm having a harder time with it than he is I Mean he's intimidated, you know, cuz it's a brand new landscape forum and he's got older kids that he's playing with, right?

Yeah, so sixth grade and he's like eighth graders that are like men, you know like there was this kid like he could full-on like grab rim and it I mean they tried to kind of divide and You know make make the teams a little bit more even. Uh, but at the last minute, I guess I got some insight from, you know, some of the other dads and whatnot that used to like coach and he's like, yeah, but then at the end they kind of, you know, made some of their own little lottery picks amongst each other. Like, okay, I want, I want this kid, I want this kid. And so they, yeah, there's like two super teams,

like for sure. And the rest are like little, you know, substantially little, right? And so Everett's team's in that category. But I think, I look at it as a positive because he's learning and he's gonna get a lot of playing time because he's really been, whenever he gets something this is what I love about him he just he he obsesses and he finally gets in into it and so he's out there practicing

practicing practicing and he's so hard on himself that the coach is finally picking up on that and so he he actually earned himself he only started two out of the four quarters but through through his game, his coach came up and he's like, he just earned himself another quarter. So he's going to play three in the next one. Cause he figured out finally how to like rebound and like aggressively go for the ball. He was kind of unsure what the rules and like how to, you know, swat and go for the ball. And like, he didn't want to make fouls. And I'm just like, just go for it. I don't care. Like, just take them out.

You know? Like, that's coming from me. But he's a little bit more cautious about that. Like, doesn't want to do the wrong thing. But he didn't make any points, but got a lot of rebounds, did a lot of really good passes. He's got some assists. So I was proud of him, dude.

And how does he feel afterwards? Is he like, can you tell he's excited about it? Is he like, so that's cool. Yeah, he was excited about it. It got, everything was, they actually played a team that was a good match, and so it was really even game the whole time, but the fourth quarter was like wild, dude. It's just wild to see kids when they start really noticing

like, hey, we're gonna lose or we're gonna win, you know And it's like you think it's a nothing game. This is like, you know little rec league and whatever but All of a sudden like a light switch hits and then you start seeing this intensity and ever it wasn't in the fourth quarter and so I'm watching these kids and one of the kids like Wasn't getting the calls like and it just was kind of stacking up against them and like he just Started to kind of lash out and he's like oh come on man I wasn't out and you know and then he's just like throwing f-bombs They get into a wrestle and

They got to a point where he's like in a shoving match and he shoves this kid like super hard on the ground and They had to call a technical foul and you know one of the moms gets up It's like that kid was punching him and remember like hey, hey, he was not punching. They were shoving Yeah, like they're also sit down. Yeah You don't know you're talking about Sometimes be careful That pisses me off like You don't know what you're talking about. It gets aggressive sometimes. Be careful, bro. That pisses me off. Seriously, dude, you're making it worse.

You know? Like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. It's true. And no kid ever wants that either, you know what I'm saying? You don't want your mom to know. No, it's embarrassing for everybody. For all the moms and dads, for that matter, that do that. The best thing that parents can do

is cheer and nothing else. Oh, coach, that's it. Let the coaches and the rest handle it. that matter that do that. The best thing that parents can do is cheer and nothing else, a coach, that's it. Let the coaches and the rest handle it. That's it, anything you do is encouragement. That's it. Or else just shh, you know, that's it. It's very easy. That always gets me so mad when you see these,

you know what it feels like to me? Parents trying to live vicariously through their kids. That's exactly what it is. Makes me so mad. It's either that or you have situations where the parents feel they know more than the coach who's coaching. Yeah. Which that's probably one of the greatest challenges if you're like say a dad who knows

the game really well. And then you've got, cause at that level, a lot of like the best coach. Yeah. At that level, a lot of these, these are like volunteer parents, right? It's like they're all at the meeting one day and they're like, hey, who wants to be the basketball coach this year? And they're like, come on, Steve, do it. I don't want to do it. You know what I'm saying?

He's just YouTube, you know, like figuring it out. And then like the week before he's got like his first basketball practice, he's like picking up the books at Barton's and Noble and he's trying to figure it out. You know what I'm saying? Half the time that's what it is. And then you're a dad who probably played like, you know,

you played college ball or something and you're watching, what the fuck is going on out there? What? I hate it. Why are you running zone right now? Yeah I feel like you should volunteer though if you're that dad. If you're that dad and you feel that way it's like hey volunteer your time and get in there and help the team. I hate the yelling or the advice from parents that's terrible and I don't mean terrible advice like they're telling them to do the wrong thing. It's ignorant advice like my daughter played soccer up in San Francisco. Try harder When I said you did you I said hate that when I would you did to Yeah, come on. Come on. Just choke him. What do you think?

Make the basket make the basket Yeah, come on. Just choke him. What do you think he's doing? Look his neck's right here. Just choke it. Make the basket. Make the basket. Shoo. Shoo. Shut up, dude. That's true. That is the most annoying thing. It's the worst. We took the whole family up to the city because my daughter played. No shit, Karen. That's what I'm trying to do. It's soccer. Of course she's trying to kick the ball. Shut up.

We went up to the city to watch my daughter play and the little ones my little kids got to see her play for the first time. Was it this weekend? It was this weekend. It was so cute watching them be so excited about their big sister playing. Yeah like is she playing? Is she playing? I'm like she's playing. Yeah and he's like trying to yell get her attention So did you guys watch I think you did right Justin the Wesley Huff interview Joe Rogan. I did. Yeah. Yeah Fantastic, bro. He's so smart, man. So he's I can't wait to watch it. I didn't watch so he's uh, it's I didn't know this term before

and again, forgive me because I'm a new Christian, but apologetic is somebody who comes out and basically argues for the evidence for the faith, right? And so their point is to come out and say, no, here's what the history says, here's what these documents show, here's the evidence. And they teach this in like divinity schools. This is like common knowledge. So he's this 33 year old young man which has to, to me he seems like one of the smartest, wisest people I've ever heard speak on the subject. Again, I'm new to this but he's so smart, he's so well versed, he understands different ancient languages, Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, the intricacies and the nuances. So he went on Joe Rogan. Timelines like crazy. He went on Joe Rogan because Rogan saw a debate

between him and Billy Carson. Billy Carson, yeah. Okay, so Billy Carson is, is he an astrophysicist? Is that his? Astrophysicist and then he's sort of like a self researcher of ancient documents, tabless and whatnot. So I was a fan of Billy Carson. Yeah.

Because I would see clips of this guy talking and he would say craziest things. He makes wild connections and yeah, it's like entertaining. Yeah. You know, like what he brings up. You guys both knew of him before this. Yes. Oh okay.

If you're into that kind of stuff. Yeah I like him. You know who he is. He's fun. He'll say, oh the the Egyptian text said this, and it may be aliens, and then there's this weird text here that said, and he puts all these connections together and trips you out. Well, anyway, he gets on a podcast and debates Wesley Huff on essentially the validity of the Bible and whatever, and gets embarrassingly destroyed.

It was rough, man. It was, I felt bad for him. Like there was one point where, and by the way, there's more to the story. So Rogan had him on because Billy Carson got so destroyed so badly that Rogan wanted Wesley Huff to on his show. I guess Billy Carson sent a cease and desist letter to the guy who did the podcast where he debated Wesley Huff, he said, don't show this.

And they're like family friends and like their kids hang out and wives and all that and this like totally fractured it. Oh, I think it destroyed his, I know it did for me and I don't want to watch him anymore because I realized just how surface level he was on some of his arguments. So there's one point where he comes out and he goes, oh, the Sinai Bible, which predates the King James Bible

says that Jesus was never crucified, this, that, and the other. And you can see Wesley Hough very polite. He's like, could you be talking about the Sinaitis... He reaches back. Codex, Sinaiticus. Codex, Sinaiticus. And the guy, I think so. And he goes, yeah, oh, you mean this? And he turns around and he's got it on his bookshelf. And he pulls it out and he's like, that's weird you say that because it reads word for word.

I just want to make sure we're talking about the same book. He was like reiterating that. I mean, I always saw parts of it. Giving him the benefit of doubt. I did see that. And he's like, so in chapter 13 where he's like referencing pages. It's identical to the King James Bible in terms of what it... And then he comes out, Billy Carson tries to like save himself. He goes, oh, it was the gospel of Barnabas. And he goes, Barnabas. He goes, that's interesting. And he comes out and says, tries to save himself. He goes, oh, it was the gospel of Barnabas. And he goes, Barnabas. He goes, that's interesting.

And he comes out and says, that's a well-known forgery. And he goes through historically. I mean, and Billy Carson just got destroyed. Lots of literature that's been forged over the years. That's the thing, if you're not expert, it's just, it's crazy, man. Like you could get, like I could get sucked in because it's so interesting.

Because if you don't know, the other guy sounds like he knows everything. I don't know the context. Not only that. I assume they know the context at times. You're also talking about things hundreds of years ago that was, you know, thousands of years ago that's written and you're like, you know,

the difference of one being written 100 years before or 100 years after makes a big difference. Yeah, and it's not just that, it's also you need to know the language and the nuances of what they say. Here's something that I learned that's a trip that Wesley Huff communicated that this is well established. I didn't know this. So before the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, the oldest copy of the Old Testament went to, I think, early Middle Ages, if I'm

not mistaken. So like the Book of Isaiah, which prophesizes all these different things, the oldest copy we had was written during the Middle Ages. And the criticisms of the book of Isaiah was, oh, well, those prophecies were written after the fact. Like we have a document that was written after they happened. That's why it seems so accurate because someone wrote about after they found out, you know, after they saw these things happen. The Dead Sea Scrolls, there's a copy of the Book of Isaiah that predates it a thousand years.

Okay, so a thousand years before. That was the one that was identical, right? The text. It was word for word identical to the one that was, in other words, no printing press, no photocopy machine, no nothing. Word for word, exactly the same. A thousand years before and then the one that had,

how crazy is that? Yeah, that's why I blew my absolute mind. There's a lot of stuff that he talks about Yeah, if you're into that kind of stuff very fascinating, but so far I was reading this article on it They're saying that because of that Rogan episode. He's probably the most viewed Apologetic in history now. Yeah, it's not so viral the power of Rogan these days. Oh my god, he's such a cultural force. Big time, big time cultural force. I mean I don't even know the old numbers. You know what I did you guys see? Did you see the new documentary that's on? Oh my god, he's slipping my name right now. He was battling Oprah forever for the... Oh Springer, I did, I watched. Did you watch it? Not all of it. Yes. It's, it's worth a watch for sure. Really? Yes. Definitely. I'm like halfway through it right now.

I'm not all the way through. I think it's like four episodes or something like that. But I've watched a couple of them already so far. The reason why I brought it up was because everybody spoke of Oprah is like untouchable. Like there's, she was just in a whole talk show host. Yeah. Yeah. It was like 114 million versus they're like four or five untouchable. Yeah. She was just in a whole- Talk show host. Yeah, yeah. It was like 114 million versus their four or five million. Yeah, yeah.

Everyone else was fighting between one and four and she's like 14 or something like that. Everyone's fighting for a second and Jerry Springer overthrew her. So that's crazy to think that someone like that did that. But anyways, I was just thinking about where Oprah is on a viewership standpoint and how that relates to Joe Rogan's pool. Is he, is peak Oprah smaller than what Rogan is right now? Or is she, was she still bigger at that point? Any idea? Do you, have you heard any comparisons? That's a good question. That's a very good question. Yeah, I'm just curious. I would argue, however, regardless.

I mean, he's got, obviously he has a massive advantage because she grew, she came up in the time of you got to watch her at two or, you know, whatever. Yeah. Network TV, where he came up in streaming. And so it's like, you can catch your Rogan episode anytime of the day, anytime you want. Her influence was substantial in terms of book launch. And I remember her like also having a part of that. Anytime it was Oprah's Book Club,

you knew that book was a little stressful. Well, you mean that was the huge thing for all these companies. They figured that out. I don't remember what year they figured that out, and that became a thing where, remember she used to give away cars to the whole audience. Any brand she gave away

would blow up afterwards. And so these companies were just fighting to give her stuff, like talk about the influence and power of that. Now, I would argue, so advertisers have talked about this for a long time, but culturally, the demographic that has some of the strongest influence culturally are young men.

Young men, 20s, 30s, if you influence them, it tends to shape and shift. Now what is the why? Because that's interesting. That's a good question. Because women are the buyers. Yeah, they are. And most men will do whatever a woman says. So why is the young man so influential then? I don't know. There's lots of arguments around this. For example, like one of them is

I don't know, there's lots of arguments around this. For example, like one of them is if a father follows a particular faith, the odds that the children will is like 75%. If it's the mom and not the father, it's far less. I don't know if it's a leadership thing. I don't know if it's a whatever, you can make all kinds of arguments, but I do know that when you capture young men and influence them, it's a very powerful force. Rogan is extremely influential with men, with young men.

So I would argue that he's a stronger cultural force if you're looking at shifting attitudes and stuff like that. Did you look up numbers at all, Doug? What do you got? Yeah, so she had about 55 million views per week and Rogan has about 11 million listeners per episode. Per episode. Per episode. He does three per week, right? Yeah, so that'd be about 33 million listeners per episode. Per episode. Per episode.

He does three per week, right? Yeah, so that'd be about 33 million. You know what? 33 to what? Say that again. 55. Oh, so he's less. Yeah, but you know what though? One of his episodes is two hour, three hour long.

Yeah. Her show was 30 minutes. No, one hour, I think. She had a one hour, I think. With commercials, you're probably gonna cut it down to like 40. Sure, sure, sure. You know? I mean, he's got commercials too, right? So I mean, she had a one hour I think. With commercials, you're probably gonna cut it down to like 40. Sure, sure, sure. You know? I mean. I mean he's got commercials too, right?

So I mean, that's interesting. Yeah, that's a, I actually thought Rogan would actually, considering he's got the streaming advantage, I thought he would actually be even more. There's also clips of him. Think about that for a second, okay? In the defense of, even though I'm not a big Oprah fan, but in the defense of her and like her influence,

like talk about crazy to be capturing network television, that kind of audience. That's crazy. I mean, you're- Nobody came close. That's crazy. You're garnering the attention of people in the middle. They're making time in their day to stop and watch

at that time. Rogan, it's totally different. I mean, you have the luxury of listening to him in your drive. I can catch up tomorrow Oh, I can watch the other half late. I mean it's the that that convenience factor I mean we talked about convenience today how much that plays such a huge role in people's decision-making So the fact that she didn't even have that leverage and was pulling that kind of an audience is oh, yeah Yeah, and it's even more of a like when you watch the Springer, the fact that Jerry Springer leaped over her is crazy. Yeah. I mean,

that just was fucked up. We are, you know, the lowest common denominator. Here's the question. You remember when it, do you guys remember like, I remembered the, um, the, like the trajectory of it. Like I remember seeing it. KKK guys fighting each other. I remember so much of that. I remember when it started kind of normal. Yeah, I actually went back in the documentary and showed me clips of what I didn't even

like definitely didn't see that. Like it really, it started off as like trying to be like an Oprah shit. It was a normal talk show. Very normal. And then it turned into like, you know, I'm sleeping with my best friend's sister. It was the Phil Donahue and all the other ones. And some of them went to like, was it Maury Povich where he did the results of like,

you're the father? That was his thing. And it just took him. It was so crazy that I actually saw another thing the documentary reveals is that it is not staged. Like it was those. Yeah, they just saw it. So what was interesting, it was really interesting with that

because they had hype people yes behind the scenes So they get the story, but then they bring him in with limos They treat him real nice, and then they have like their own personal coach, which is like another producer That's like trying to fire the best of them and they roleplay beforehand with them get them like hyped to tell their story and like really deliver it with Dude, I was like this is bright because it did feel like they were acting on a level like when they came on, but you could tell like I didn't know

that it was like real, but you could tell by the punches that it was real. Yeah, you could tell by the anger, right? Motion was I'm right with you because I thought this is like this is gotta be staged. It's like you know it's going to be a fight.

How do you know it's going to be fine as you can get without staging it? Right, I mean, but when you think about the brilliance of that, I mean, to feed into that side of us as humans. It's literally the Roman call scene, like gladiator stuff. But again, here's the argument, fine, more viewers in Oprah, more influential? No. No. No, it was trash TV.

Well, so he comes out and he apologizes and admits that he influenced and ruined society. Like you look at all of reality TV today and look at what you see with the right. He gave the permission and the blueprint on how to get views and how to create drama on there. And so all the reality TV going forward has now used that as the blueprint of. In the mastermind behind is still proud to this day, even though like people on their And the reality TV going forward has now used that as the blueprint of which we- And the mastermind behind it is still proud to this day, even though like people on their show had a fight and then murdered.

Yeah. What? Yes. That was the, that was the demise of it, right? Was when they- Someone got murdered. And this guy's still reflecting on it like it's his masterpiece. Yeah.

You know, it's like, it's pretty nefarious. Oh, it's wild, dude. It's crazy to think how it's interesting too, because people could point the fingers and say how disgusting and this and that, but it's really a mirror. Yeah, you watch it. It's really a reflection of us.

Yeah, 100%. Why is it so popular? You say people watch orders. You talk all the shit you want about him and the producer and all this blah, blah, blah, but it's like- You were tuning in. I think it's more interesting the fact that how many of us couldn't look away and wanted to watch it, and what does that say about us,

like more than anything else? I think that's the crazy part, you know? Dolly, I was gonna ask you, you've been using the Joy Mode testosterone booster consistently, and I know your numbers are through the roof, are you still using it? Yeah.

And so what are you feeling from, because your numbers were high anyway, and then you got even higher. I think the most significant thing I've noticed since my last test was my free testosterone had gone up. Yes. Do you notice any effects from it though? Is it supposed to do that?

They have a test booster that raises testosterone, so yes. Even somebody though like Kim who's already. That's right, so this is what's interesting to me. Normally, if you have an herb or a formula to raise testosterone, the data shows it works on men with low testosterone. If you have high testosterone, well then it's not gonna make a difference.

Doug's was high. His numbers are really high now after taking the Joy Mode. So, I wanna ask if you notice anything. Well, one of the things I've noticed, and again, I have no numbers to back this up. I wish I would've done like a DEXA scan or something like that, but I was down to like 156, 157 pounds, like three months ago.

I'm like 100, when I say 156, 157, I'm at 166 right now. Well, 10 pounds. No. Stronger? Stronger. I swear I put on some muscle. You don't think you did? Yeah. Definitely feel like I put on some muscle and my pants, yeah, a little bit tighter than they were, so I definitely put on some fat, but that much weight, I've never weighed this

much. Oh wow. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. You know, it would be cool to hear from our audience. He's at a range with his testosterone. Well, so that's why, so I'd love to hear from our audience because I'm sure Doug's not the only person that has got naturally high testosterone that has probably tested this. And so I'd like to hear another case of someone like him. It's,

I know the effects on someone who's low. I mean, it's, yeah, you'll feel it. Yeah, you'll definitely feel it. Especially like pretty much immediate, right? After if you consistently low, you take something like joy mode, you'll notice a boost relatively quick. But I was also familiar with like, well if someone's already high, it's kind of negligible. You don't really notice a difference. So the fact that he feels, sees, and a difference from it would be interesting to hear from other cases of people who are trying it that are already kind of high too. I have a shout out. I've shouted this person out before, but I'm gonna bring it up again. In fact, she was the motivation behind the fit tip

in the very beginning about feelings and behaviors. It's Dr. Becky, good inside, great, great content for parents on understanding child psychology, how to raise your kids, why they act the way they do, how to be effective, why they act the way they do. She's the one with that really good Ted talk. Yeah, and she's so, you know, she says literally in one of these, I watched a video this morning,

it's, all feelings are okay. This is like as a parent. All your kids' feelings are okay, let them know. It's the behaviors that you focus on, but not the feelings. Don't make your kids feel like their feelings are wrong because then that results in worse problems Anyway, she's really really good. You can find her all over social media All right today's episode. I talk about growth hormone releasing peptides like I butamorin

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Hi, Christine. How you doing, Christine? Good morning. Hi, Christine. How you doing, Christine? Good morning. Hi, guys. How are you? We're good. I've been in the fitness industry since I was 18. I am 49.

I'll be 50 in six months, which is kind of mind blowing at some point for me because I said it out loud to him. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm six months to 50 years old. This is crazy. My biggest struggle has always been with eating disorder behavior. I was a runner. I was a runner. I was a marathoner. I have done literally every cardio thing that you can possibly imagine.

I competed in all sorts of cardiovascular sports. And then I decided one day after a marathon, hey, I'm done. I'm going to do something different. So I then took on the arduous task of a bikini competition. So I've done two of those. Right now I'm just living my life, doing a lifestyle thing. I work for a fitness coaching team part-time. I'm also actually in NASM right now getting my personal training license and also nutrition coaching certification. So this is my world outside of my actual full-time career. But I've always struggled with eating disorder behavior.

I am the chronic overtrainer. And every time you guys have someone on, I listen and I'm like, yes, I'm shaking my head. Like they're overtrained, they're underfed, they're all these things. And then I do the same thing to myself. And I go, wow, you know what though? That's what works for them.

That's just not what works for me. I need to train seven days a week. I need to do all the things. I need to do the cardio. I know I need to eat my protein. I mean, I count macros obviously currently when I wrote this, I was actually at 120 grams protein, a hundred carbs and 60 fats. However, things have changed so much because I paused after listening and I can't remember which episode it was so I apologize for that after so I was trying to figure out did I want to buy muscle mommy did I want to buy anabolic like what program did I need to buy and I just pulled the trigger on muscle mommy I started

muscle mommy in October I also freaked out only turning three days a week I mean I'm really freaked out about it, but I'm like, nope, just just trust the process. I did a slow reverse. And I am actually now at 140 protein, 160 carbs and still at 60 fats. So to get me there was it was tough. I'm five foot tall. I've never weighed more than 105 pounds in my entire life. So the scale F's with my head. So I listen to you guys and I'm like, hey, listen, I'm not going to get on the scale from October 1st when I So I listened to you guys and I'm like, hey, listen, I'm not gonna get on the scale from October 1st when I started Muscle Mommy until January 1st when it's done. And then in December, I took advantage of the sale

and I purchased anabolic. But I'm still in a place right now where I'm not seeing the changes to my body that I wanna see. I'm thinking to myself, at the time that I wrote this in September, I actually had just had a DEXA scan done. I was 16% body fat, which was thrilling to me because I've always maintained between

like 13 and 16. I know you're going to say it's not the right thing for a female, but I'm proud of it. But I just had my DEXA scan done again in the middle of December. And I remind you, I have not gotten the scale and my body fat percentage went up to 19% and I completely freaked out So any advice that you can give me at this point of my on the right path the right program the right nutrition I have not started anabolic yet Today was my last day of muscle mommy and I was gonna move into anabolic tomorrow would be a train a lift day for me

Today was just trigger sessions. Yeah, no, thank you so much for writing in. Real quick, real quick, what is the, because I didn't do the math, the breakdown on the macros, what is that? She went up 60 grams of carbs. Yeah, I saw that, but what does that equate to calorie-wise? What's that put you in calories?

Well, it's an extra 60 plus an extra 20 in protein, if I'm not mistaken, right? It was, yeah. So you went up 320 calories. Okay. Okay, so I can yeah right now I'm currently my total calorie intake is a 1600 it's like 1650. So you're coming from 13 and you're 16. Okay now Couple things number one. I always people who've been training for a long time, who've made fitness a big part of their life, I love that they're always so proud about telling their age.

You open by telling everybody your age, and you obviously look vibrant and healthy and happy, so that's exceptional. I understand the struggle, and the best way I could communicate this, you've listened to us talk about this many times, I'm sure, but maybe this will resonate with you. Fitness, your workouts, it needs to serve you. You should not be serving it. It is not your master. If fitness becomes your master, you are now a slave to fitness. Now, how do you know if you're a slave to it? Well, you freak out if it changes a little bit. You're scared of doing what you know to probably be the healthier thing, which is to increase

your calories, reduce your training. And so you have to ask yourself, is this a benefit at this point? Now you've gotten tremendous benefits from fitness, but at this point, if you're finding yourself as a slave to it, it's causing you more harm than you realize. And the only way you'll know this is if you break out of that. You have to break out of it. Going up 300 calories is a great step, but 1600 calories for someone like you, your activity level.

Still low. Your fitness is still very, very low. I would continue to reverse you and I would stay away from all of the things that cause you you to trigger you To put yourself back in that slave mentality or fitness then becomes your master again Dexter scan the scale all that I would I would just avoid that for as long as you possibly could And pay attention to things that are going to serve you better like strength energy possibly could and pay attention to things that are going to serve you better, like strength, energy, sleep.

Let me ask you this, since bumping your calories and switching to muscle mommy, did you notice any improvements in things like energy, strength, anything like that? I did. The strength thing I'm really aware of, because I keep track and I have for a really long time keep track of my training and one of the reasons why I was so frustrated and I moved so quickly to purchase muscle mommy is because I was feeling like I was not getting stronger. I was getting weaker and I always gauge my strength by shoulder presses, which is kind

of funny, but I've always done that. I'm like when I was training for a bikini competition, I was up at 25 pounds dumbbells and I was so proud of myself for that. And I kept slipping back and it was like 25, then it was 20 and I was exhausted. And I'm like, I'm getting back to 25. I don't care what happens. I'm getting back to 25.

So when I started Muscle Mommy in October, I was at 15 and I was tired and I was so exhausted. And three days before New Year's, I pushed 25 for five sets of five. That's awesome. So the answer to your question is yes. Great sign. Great sign.

It's telling you you're moving in the right direction. You know, someone too like you, Christine, I was like, I actually have, it's funny, I have a client that's been a long friend of mine named Christine that actually reminds me a lot of you guys are actually almost similar build, close similar, close in age. And she has a very similar personality. And I'm constantly having to remind her that one, Christine, you look amazing. Two, you have been doing this for so long,

you're so knowledgeable, all this stuff. You can come and go any way you want. And so there should be no fear of even putting 8% body fat on because you have the tools, the knowledge, and the experience to go right back. So I'm always encouraging her to experiment with that. Anyways, like let's just go.

Well, I wonder what you feel and look like at 22% body fat and we're not going to measure along the way, but who cares because you know what to do to get back down to 16. You've been there for so long so many times that you could totally do all those things again and get right back there if you want to. But why don't we just see and test what you feel like, what you look like, if we just keep going in this direction for another six months and see how you feel and then assess. And of course, I've got to do the same thing with her where I pull no more scale, no more comparing yourself right now. Let's just focus on the workouts. Let's just focus on pushing more calories and then we'll assess later. That's, that would be the advice. The advice would be get rid of the, and I don't know if the mirror is the thing that

does it to you too and or the scale, but I'm telling you to get rid of those and I'm telling you look at what happened when we added 300 calories. Look where your strength is. Let's go get 35 pound dumbbells. Let's go get 35 dumbbell presses. I got you. We'll get there. You just got to trust the process and we got to continue to feed the body. I would bet money that you would be able to press the 40 pound dumbbells with more calories. No, Joe, if you want my client, in fact, I never, so as an experienced trainer, one of

the one things you don't do is you don't tell a client, I'm going to get you to this right here because you want to under promise and over deliver. Unless you're super, super sure, if you hired me with your experience, like this conversation, you hired me, I would tell you, oh, we'll get you to press 35, 40 pound dumbbells. I feel very confident because of your background

and where you're at with as few of calories you've been eating and as much over training as you've been doing. Now you got stronger, how was your energy? Did you notice changes in energy with the change? I never have an energy issue at all. I mean, I get up at four o'clock in the morning. I'm in the gym by four thirty in the morning.

I just don't, like, I don't know if that's a, um, everyone tells me it's a placebo effect because it's just who I am. I literally don't have an energy issue ever. Like Energizer Bunny all the time. It is a matter of fact where I work, they call me the espresso shot. So I just don't have an energy issue ever like energizer bunny all the time. It is a matter of fact where I work, they call me the espresso shot. So I just don't you're well adapted. Yeah.

Yeah. Training for a long time. I just don't have an energy issue. Did you notice? I do. I'm like, it's hormonal. Did you notice any other changes besides strength going up? Um, you know, not really.

I mean, I was looking for the strength to be quite honest. And then I was really focused on mentally, how did I feel? Because not stepping on a scale for 90 days is a huge thing for someone with past eating disorder behavior. I mean, I'll tell you, when I was in my 20s, I used to get on the scale four times a day. And if I, if it went up, that would reflect on what I would eat the next day or how hard he would train the next day. So, um, and I've been doing this since I was 17.

So this is a long time in the works. And you know, to turn from cardio bunny to lifter over the course of the last 10 years, I did my first bodybuilding show 10 years ago. Um, and the first coach I had, she was amazing. She was like, we're not going to step on the scale and I'm giving you a meal plan and that's what you're gonna follow and you have to just trust the process. She said, but I want you to gain 10 pounds

and I absolutely started to cry. And she's like, you hired me, like it's it, we're going, it's go time. And I did, and I got on stage 10 pounds heavier than I was when I met her. So it's definitely been a process where I'll like progress and then I go back to my old ways because it's easy and it's comfortable.

I know where my comfort level is. I know what my clothes feel like. That's also an indication as well. So you put muscle on. I mean, I have a pair of jeans on today that I'm like, oh, these are kind of tight in the thighs. I'm like, there's some progress. I'd like to see you reverse, at least get up to 2000 calories. At least, at least.

You should be able to with your fitness level, your strength, how long you've been training, you should be able to comfortably eat 2300 to 2500 calories and like maintain the body you want. You can. That is in front of you if you trust this process. If you trust in our knowledge, our experience of what we've been doing, someone like you, I could get up to 2,300 calories in that range and be content, which gives you all kinds of metabolic flexibility and what you get to choose and eat when you want

to. More than that, just the freedom of not being chained to this low calorie, this fear. Imagine if you were eating 2,300 calories and you're like, oh my god, I'm doing this and I feel okay. It's not as scary as I thought. Imagine what a feeling of freedom that would produce in someone like yourself who's kind of been chained to this for so long. I would like to see you reverse. You do it slow if you want. That's fine. But slowly reverse yourself up, up, up. I'd like to see your fat go up. 60 grams is really low. You probably, I would add a little bit of fat to your diet. I think that would make a difference in things like your joints, your hair, your skin, your

hormones. But I'd like to see you go up to at least 2,000 calories. MAPS Anabolic is great. I like MAPS Power Lift. I like Strong. I like Symmetry. Those are all great programs for someone like you. And then, you know, I don't know if you do any additional cardio or anything like that. Are you doing anything like that on top of everything? Yeah, so my trigger session days, I do a walk in the morning and then on the treadmill, I do a walk in the morning

because that's when I do my reading time. And then in the night, in the evening, after dinner, I always do a half an hour walk as well. I do outdoor just to get my like, I need my brain dump, I need my, you know, get rid of my day. Yeah, so. But I'm not doing any running anymore.

I'm not doing any cycling. I'm not doing any of that anymore. I am strictly lifting and walking, that's it. Oh, great. How many, are you around 10,000 steps a day? Where are you at? Probably there or above, I would imagine. Yeah, I'm 10,000 to 12,000.

I actually got rid of my Apple Watch at the beginning of June because it was becoming another addiction. Like every little thing was becoming such an addiction and I had to literally just remove it all so that I could block out the noise and focus on how I felt, my strengths. I was, at that time too, I was feeling like, every thing that I could block out the noise and focus on how I felt, my strengths. I was, at that time too, I was feeling like every time,

everything that I did was like another little injury. And I mean little injury. I'm almost 50 years old. So, you know, you wake up with an ache and a pain and a whatever, and you're just like, whatever, I'm 50. But I hadn't had that. And so there was like little things is like, my back would hurt, my lower back would hurt.

I'm like, what the hell did I do to my back now? I'm like, I did, all I did was work out yesterday with a weighted vest on me. So I just got rid of all the noise and I just focused on how do I get stronger? How do I feel my optimal best? How do I avoid inflammation? All of these things versus what do I look like? What is the scale saying? This has been a process. Yeah. No, slowly reverse. What's your experience when you eat? Do you enjoy it or is it like this is fuel? No, I love it. But I also love it for fuel as well. I mean,

when I said I love to cook, I cook every single one of my meals 99% of the time. I am a meal prepper. I'm a food prepper. I love the idea of taking something that is indulgent and amazing and so not great for you and turning into something that can be really delicious and healthy as well. It's like one of the things I've done for years. I do food prep for people all the time. Show them how simple it can be to actually be prepared because I do have such a long day. I get up at four o'clock in the morning and so if you're not prepared you fail.

Yeah. Typically. Christine, so you work with clients, right? You train, you, you train people and coach people. I here's, this might help. Let them know what you're about to do. Tell them you're going to reverse diet yourself. Tell them I'm going to stop testing my body fat.

This is a struggle for me. It will make you a more effective coach and trainer, but they will also act as your coach and your trainer, just through the accountability alone. When I would communicate to my clients things that I use the podcast that way now, if you haven't noticed, I'll tell people on the show or my audience, I'm struggling with this thing. It's really to make it real and to give me some accountability. Communicate with the clients, tell them what you're going to do. Slowly reverse, diet yourself up to 2,000 calories.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. I'm also a big fan too of kind of making peace with the potential outcome that you think would scare you. For example, you already said that going to the 16 was like, I'm sure if I said, what about 21% body fat? That probably was, oh my God, 21% body fat. I'm in the 20s. But make, actually make peace with it in a sense of like,

I'm gonna do an experiment. So make, actually make peace with it in a sense of like, I'm going to do an experiment. So this is how I would communicate something like this to my clients and people to hold myself accountable. I'm going to do an experiment and I'm going to continue to reverse diet and allow myself to go all the way into the 20% body fat percentage and see how I look and feel. Like intentionally going that direction. I'm going to keep going that, adding calories with the intent that I'm going to get over 20% body fat.

Because I know I have the skills to come right back the other direction but really what I'm doing is I'm making peace with that I'm probably gonna go that high or I could go that high but really wanted to go in that direction to see and assess how I feel and I have the skills and tools to go the other direction anytime I want. Yeah that's a great point I mean it's so funny Pete that you say that because I told my husband in October when I wasn't gonna step on the scale every day. He said, how long do you think you're gonna last? And I said, no, I'm gonna do this for 90 days.

I am not gonna get on the damn scale. I swear. And then I told him I was going down to three days a week of training and he's like, I don't believe it when I see it. I have been with you for 20 years. No way. And I did it. And I, it was, it's a feat to do only three days a week, to actually focus lifting three days a week and the full body stuff. I'm like, never really done full body, always been upper body,

very traditional bodybuilding splits. And to do it is very different. I went from being a runner when I started trainings to be a bikini competitor. I literally just cut off running because my coach was like, you cannot run anymore, We have to build some muscle. And I did the same thing then I told him, I said, okay, I'm done running. He's like, yeah, right. I'll believe it when I see it. So for the last 90 days, I have proven him wrong because I'd never

want him to be right over me. But on top of it, you know, it's just been a journey for myself to take 90 days. 90 days is a long time for somebody who has always been so focused on just more, better, more, more, more, more, when more is not always better. How does your husband feel about the changes in your physique and all that stuff through that 90 day process? Has he said anything? Oh, he definitely has. Yeah.

One of the things I think for him has been what he's noticed more than just my physique changes is my my my mood Because I've had to actually talk myself off the ledge, especially during the holidays Like my coping mechanism my entire life when things are stressful is to okay. Well when everything is super stressful I'm just gonna go to the gym another time today or I'm just gonna go for an extra run or I'm gonna get another lifting session in so to go through the holidays and be with all of these people and be surrounded and not do that has was a huge blessing for him to be able to see like holy cow you're actually really adhering to this program and you're not going to go overboard because you're stressed out.

Because my stress mechanism is not to overeat. My stress mechanism is to over exercise. So I think for him it's been more than just a physique situation and change. It's been a The best way to do that is to do it in a way that's not too hard. And then the other thing is, you know, I think that's a great, I mean, stress mechanism is to over-exercise. So I think for him, it's been more than just a physique situation and change. It's been a, well, your, your attitude is changing. And I see that.

I know you want to go to the gym right now, but you're not going to. And he knows how hard that is for me. That's awesome. Christine, we don't, we don't talk to about this publicly. been for the last half a year or so building a trainer team underneath us here at Mindpump and we're taking clients on. You obviously don't need it from an education standpoint. I know you know what to do and are very aware, but from an accountability piece, if that's

something you want help with, email us and let us know. Yeah, I would love that. I mean, it's hard and it's funny because it started for me so young at 16. You would think that by 50, all these changes I've made along the way, you know, you learn so many lessons, but it is so easy to slip back into old patterns because it is a control, but it's also comfort. There's a comfort in it. It's also very interesting to think about the fact that controlling exercise and controlling

what you put in your mouth is a comfort but Sal you said it so perfectly and I never thought about it this way that I actually am a slave to it. It's not that comfortable but for some reason the chains are comfortable. Yeah yeah yeah there was that syndrome when there's a Stockholm syndrome. Yep so all right do you think you could go another 90 days can continue reversing? All right, we're gonna have you back on. I'm gonna have Kyle reach out to you. And we'll have somebody reach out to you, one of our coaches, but I'm gonna have you back on.

So, we'll talk to you again in a few months. We're gonna do this. And see how everything's going. All right, awesome, obviously you guys have my pictures and I take my pictures every week, so are we saying I'm not photoing either? I wouldn't, yeah, let's not. You already have one right now, let's photo in 90 days. That's right. Let's photo in 90 days. I took my

2025, January. I took it last week. Perfect. And I'm like, all right, I'm starting anabolic. Let's see what happens. Okay. Perfect. Put that aside. Now let's go for 90 days and then we'll revisit. All right. Awesome. Thank you guys so much for everything. You really are making some great changes in the world. I'll tell you, I can't even tell you the amount of people that I send your podcasts to. So thank you for everything that you do. And I'll tell you this one last thing. The faith and the Christian background that you guys are not afraid to talk about in a live forum like this makes me so proud to be a fellow Christian because it's very rare.

You guys are real, you are raw, you are honest, you are true, but at the core of who you are, you're just beautiful Christian human beings and I'm so grateful for that, so thank you. Thank you, thank you Christine. Appreciate that. Appreciate you, God bless, thank you. Yeah, thanks so much guys, take care.

Bye bye. Could you make sure that Kyle reaches out to her? Already done. I can't, yeah, I can't wait to see what happens. I mean she's very self-aware. So knowledgeable already. Very self-aware of the challenge and the struggle. It's still hard.

I struggle with it still to this day and I get it. I totally get it. But if she does this and goes through it, she's going to feel so free and she'll see the fruits of it. I mean she'll, yeah, win all the way across. She'll be able to eat more. She's going to look better. She's going to feel better. She'll be stronger. All of it. She'll, yeah, win all the way across. She'll be able to eat more. She's going to look better. She's going to feel better.

She'll be stronger. You know, all of it. But it literally is. So whenever I have like this kind of, because we've all admitted body dysmorphia stuff. I mean, I think almost anybody who's into fitness at some point has struggled with some form of it. And what always does or was worked well for me

is literally making peace with the worst outcome. Yeah, the worst.. With the worst outcome. Yeah. What's the worst thing that could happen? I could go up to 25% body fat. So what? I have the skills, the knowledge, the experience, the discipline to go right back. I've proven that.

I've for 30 years, I've been this fit person. So don't be afraid of that. And in fact, maybe even embrace it as a trainer, as a thing that you're trying to showcase and show other people is like, watch, I can add 6% body fat and then I can go back down the other way. So make peace with what the scariest worst outcome and be and go after it like that. Hit it head-on and then we didn't watch what unfolds because it ends up unfolding as you realize, oh shit like I feel better, oh shit I look better, oh shit I'm stronger and then you become more comfortable with that

It's funny. She mentioned the Christian thing too I literally got that analogy from the the faith about you know, people make things that are not God their masters And so I'm glad it resonated. Mm-hmm. Our next caller is Austin from Michigan. Austin. What's up, man? They do happen in Austin. What's up guys? I'm very thankful to be on today My question is I think fairly simple. So I am a part-time personal trainer and I have been doing this for four years. So I've been doing it for a little while and I have a question about, should I go back to school for correctional exercise or physical therapy or should I jump

right into it and try to, you know, manage and find myself in that profession just by kind of doing it naturally. Do you want to be a physical therapist or do you prefer, have you spent a lot of clinical time? Uh, I have never done, uh, physical therapy in that setting. The closest thing I've gotten to doing that is correctional exercise in the gym setting, personal training.

I've had a couple clients where they've had big surgeries, rotator cuff tears, knee issues, and I have found that that is the thing that I think I enjoy the most teaching and giving people that information. That's great. So if you want to work in a clinical setting, a hospital, physical therapy is great. Okay. If you want to be a personal trainer, then there's lots of ways to learn. Like if you want to work in a gym setting, right? Or privately. I mean, you could be a private physical therapist,

too. But you know, privately, then there's lots of a private physical therapist too, but privately then there's lots of resources for correctional exercise. By the way, correctional exercise is so valuable for personal trainers, so if you just want to be a trainer, it's the most valuable skill you could possibly learn. It's more valuable than anything else. It'll apply to more people. So do you know where you want to go? Do you want to stay kind of in this gym fitness setting or do you want to work in that kind

of clinical hospital you know doctor said and are you trying to figure that out? That is part of what I'm trying to figure out. I have a very I'd consider it a small clientele. I'm only training like four or five people currently but there is opportunity. It's, it's a further drive for me. Uh, I kind of live in the middle of nowhere, Michigan. So I'd have to drive, you know, 45 minutes, an hour to get to kind of the,

uh, a bigger box gym setting, like you guys describe and always recommend, um, clients going or, uh, trainers go to, to start training. Um, so yeah, I yeah I would much prefer to work in the gym setting or like a private setting I guess rather than in a physical therapist setting or like a hospital setting okay well I got we have some incredible resources for you yeah that we can recommend Maps Prime Pro which I'll send you if you don't have is gonna give you some really really good you have you have Prime and Prime Pro yeah so Aldo FRC I've taken quick Aldo and FRC are definitely

a few clients through your guys's Prime I hope I hope you don't mind when but I have literally done the exact the wall you should The windmill time actually thought that just those things have been more More influential and more impactful in my career already than like any of the certifications I have That's right nice. So prime pro will send you that because that's another level NESM's correctionrectional Exercise Certification is exceptional. I love it. And those are two really, really good places to start. Justin mentioned FRC, AldoA, also really, really good courses.

And then lastly, I think, so you don't want to work in a hospital, you don't want to work in a physical therapy setting, you want to work in a physical therapy setting, you want to work in gyms or in that kind of environment. I think you would find tremendous value, however, in mentoring under a physical therapist. And a physical therapist can hire you, you get those certifications, you get those whatever, go work for a physical therapist,

offer your services for free, and just say, I'd like to do whatever just so I can watch and learn from you. I'm certified in FRC. I have NASM correctional exercise, but I just would love to intern under you. That will, that right there will make you exceptionally good. Like you'll be better than, than 90%. You have a leg up on anybody. It's too bad you don't live in Illinois. I would have had a great place to recommend for you to do that. Condal Medical Center, I believe, but they had it set up. So

it's like attached to the hospital, but it has physical therapy, it has exercise physiology, it has osteopaths, has all of these sports doctors. They're all there at this gym osteopaths has like all of these like sports doctors. They're all there at this gym collectively to work with patients and clients, really cool setting, really unique. I don't know if they have anything like that in Michigan, but you know, that would be something too, it might fit you well in terms of like your passion for that. So, you know, just, I agree with Sal,

I think like a mentorship, if that's really the direction you're going, it's gonna be invaluable for you to watch and shadow. Oh, you'll get so much from that. I will give you some personal insight on that. So my best friend and my roommate back when I was in my 20s was a PTA. So he was a physical therapist assistant.

I got to go to his clinic all the time and do stuff. And I remember going through the same phase as you where you're getting excited about correctional exercise. I remember right after I got my go to his clinic all the time and do stuff. And I remember going through the same phase as you where you're getting excited about correctional exercise. I remember right after I got my CES certification and realized quickly how different it was. And what that was is there's a big difference when you have people that are into fitness who get injured and you help them rehab versus people who went

to the hospital, had surgery. They get a prescription. And they get prescribed to go to very, very different. And what I mean by that, cause I used to tell him like how much I loved it and he's like, Oh bro, what you do is so different than what I do. I'm like, what are you talking about? We all, we talk about the same exercise. He's like, yeah, but the people are so different. And there's, and it's a big, and what I love about what we get to do as trainers is you get motivated people

to rehab. They're not reluctant. So true. And, and in the, in the clinical setting, it's very different depressing sometimes. It's sad. It's why he's not, he was not motivated about an excited. Like I was, I was like, really, don't you love, he's like, dude, it's not the same. He's like, there's no buy-in. Yeah. These people are here because they got prescribed by their doctor to come here and getting them to do anything at it. Adhering is like so tough. He goes, you get people that are used to working out

and exercising that get injured, that are highly motivated to get back, and your knowledge to accelerate that excites them about that, very, very different. So just a little insight on someone who's kind of going back and forth, because I at one point wanted to be a physical therapist too. That was one of the-

I was bored with the clinical setting. That was one of the tipping points that actually made me decide, oh, I'm gonna stay with being a personal trainer, was because I realized that, because I enjoyed that also, and went, oh shit, that is a big difference. That's the three of us all have that in common.

All of us at one point want to be physical therapists. I tell you, if you get NASM, correctional exercise specialist, if you get that, go find a physical therapist you can work under, do it for free if you have to. That will make you so, after a couple years of doing that, you'll be so much better than 99.9% of the personal trainers out there.

It'll make you extremely valuable. Most of what I know about correctional exercise did not come from certifications. They taught me a lot, I'm not gonna say they didn't learn anything from them, but most of what I know was because I had an exceptional physical therapist that worked in my studio and I was around her for nine years and I watched her.

And I didn't even intern under her, she worked under me, but I watched her and listened to what she, and I learned so much just from that right there. So that's the biggest, that right there is the best piece of advice I could give you. You also need to be in our course, Austin, if you're not. Yeah, I actually just recently picked up a full-time 40-hour week warehouse job around home

just to be able to, you know, hopefully put that money into my future. So that's part of why I'm doing what I'm doing right now. And your guys' course is definitely something that I Fully intend on taking I just haven't had the funds to do it yet, but that was mainly what I wanted to ask because I felt like Going that direction was also a lot cheaper than going back to school for Assistant physical therapy or physical therapist. Oh yeah, it's way less.

I mean again, if you wanna work in a hospital. You start making money a lot sooner too. Oh yeah, and yeah, I mean you could do, the sky's the limit when you work as a trainer. Physical therapy is obviously a great career. If you wanna work in a hospital setting, that's great. But if you love the gym, then yeah, you don't need to do that.

Awesome, yeah, I appreciate it guys. You know, the one thing that I mainly wanted to hear and I figured you guys were gonna say that because you had a caller on I think about a month ago that asked a very similar question about going back to school or going into personal training and just getting certifications and you guys pretty much told him the same thing. So I just I needed to hear it from you guys. And I do feel like that, that's great advice.

So I very much appreciate it. I want to also thank you guys for, you know, you've pushed me to get married at a younger age. I'm 25, I'm married already, and I can't wait to have kids. Like I never, never thought I would have been that person growing up. And now listening to you guys every day and and hearing your stories

You know, it doesn't seem easy, but it seems very much worth it. So that I appreciate that. That's so great And it's a journey, but god bless you. That's so good good. I'm glad to hear young man like you making decision like that That's great All right, thank you here dude Yeah, you guys too. Thank you very much. You're sending him Prime Pro right now. Yep Prime Pro You know also send him the link to the webinar tonight because you should be on that too You know, it's funny is all the three of us all have that in common exactly You know went to that path and then we all decided I don't like that clinical setting. I mean if you like it

It's a great career. Oh, it's super it's in demand. Yeah, I'm gonna continue to be in the very effective It's just yeah, you can make good money, good, consistent money. Yeah, you can do well. And work your way up. I mean, that was a big turning point for me. That's why it was an interesting thing to talk about because I clearly remember that day when my best friend and I had that conversation.

That makes so much sense. And it was so enlightening. I was like, oh my God, I never thought of it like that. The physical therapist that I had that worked in my studio left the hospital. She had a stable job at the hospital, left because like that. The physical therapist that I had that worked in my studio left the hospital. She had a stable job at the hospital, left because of that. So she was private in my studio because she's like, I want to work with people who want to work with me.

And it was so great to get that experience and hear that insight because I know when you think of the clients that you love to train and the ones you didn't, the ones you never liked training were the ones that were not motivated to even be there. And imagine if most of your clientele is that. I'm like, oh wow. You ever get a client? That would be really discouraging. You ever have a client, their insurance bought

personal training and you train them from that? Yeah. It's just like that. Or like a mom or a dad bought it for someone as a gift. Or someone's like, yeah, those are the worst clients. Because they have no desire to really be there. They're there because they think they have to be there and that's just not as inspiring. And then that's not me to, I know that profession's

amazing and there's probably somebody who loves it and maybe that's great, but that was definitely enlightening for me when I went through that. Our next caller is Dwayne from Ohio. Dwayne, what's happening? Hey, what's up guys? How you doing? So honored to be here with you guys. Thank you. How can we help you? I just kind of read my question. In 2017, I started listening to you guys, and honestly, it absolutely changed my life.

I struggled most of my life with health issues when it comes to dieting, yo-yo dieting, eating disorders. When I finally started listening to you guys, really getting to the gym and kind of knowing what I was doing and lifting weights. It changed everything and I had a great transformation. I've kept that on the whole time a passion for fitness. And so I kind of want to get certified at this time. I'm working at a church.

I get certified in 2019 right before all the gym shut down actually got hired as a personal trainer. Then all the gym shut down before I even got to train anybody. So that was fun. But in 2021, my family and I started a small church just on our own. And so in the process that I lost my income, because that was for the most of my adult life where my income came from. And so since since I did that, I tried to figure out what is the next best thing I could do. I tried being a gym teacher for a year. Yeah, I found out that was not for me. And then right after that, I kind of went through this whole process of how can I transform people in a different way.

And so my experience with fitness has transformed my life so much. So right after that, I got I got certified. I started I got hired as a personal trainer, actually a nutrition person, kind of with a meal replacement at a gym in Cincinnati. And then I went from there to a fitness manager. And then even though I was getting salary there, I kind of stepped back and went as a personal trainer and a physical therapy rehab assistant, cause the, the rehab guy at the time asked if I'd be his assistant.

And so then to make some extra money I started teaching fitness classes there and I kind of loved the idea of that because it was kind of guaranteed money And so I started teaching more those Fast forward to today. I'm working at a boot camp I know I'm working at a boot camp place as a coach and a client coordinator and I love the clients I love the idea of they focus on strength days. However, I know at the end of the day, it's a high intensity training. It's not great training, which is my passion. And I know that's where you guys talk about where the

real strength comes in. So I say all that to say this, I'm desiring to start something new. It's 2025. It's a brand new year. I've had a desire to start something new to create my own thing. Personal training is my passion and I also like the freedom to have my own schedule, especially with all the ministry stuff that I wanted to do. And so I guess my question to you guys is how do I make that shift? I'm 44 so I'm no spring chicken. I definitely have imposter syndrome. It took me seven years to start a church. My wife was telling me for seven years to do this and I kept putting it off because I did I guess I didn't have the confidence in myself Though I'm not fast to make those big moves

But all in all I trust you guys. I love listening you guys you guys have proven that You know you're talking about is there just kind of want to get some feedback and opinions I would love to someday have a whole body health Business I have an LLC right now called mind body and soul health. And so I guess I'm trying to get some feedback from you guys to see at my age is that something that's worth pursuing? I have a wife and a teacher she does make salary. We're not rich by any means. So she makes fun of me because every time I take a new job, I take a pay cut. I knew this

would be a hard work, it'd be a pay cut, but I guess I'm trying to get is it better just to work at a big box gym? Should I try to start my own thing etc? Why did you leave the fitness manager spot? Well that was a salary job working for a gym. Why'd you leave that? Well when I left the job itself I was not able to do any fitness at all. And so I actually stayed there, but I went to personal training at the time. And so I was just training instead of getting salaries. They were taking half the pay. They would kind of feed me some clients.

I liked the clients, but the environment itself wasn't very healthy from management. You know, I got it. I got to say it's so interesting that just the way you're communicating your history and what you want to do. As you know, you listen to the show, I'm a new Christian. And one of the things that I noticed about the church and what has been communicated to me by my friends who work in the church, the pastors, the worship leaders, all that, is just how much fitness and health needs to be communicated effectively to other Christians.

How much they struggle with things like obesity, inactivity, eating foods that aren't good for them, et cetera. I think there's a huge market need. I think there's a huge need in the Christian community for somebody who can communicate health and fitness to those individuals through well, either through scripture or through grace and the way that it should be communicated in fact is very similar the way we've been communicating it for a long time. I'm reminded of

1 Corinthians 6, 19-20, Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God, you are not your own, you were bought at a price, therefore honor God with your bodies. I think in your space, in with what you're doing, I think you could train people with that, in combination with that, combine your two passions and be incredibly effective. It is a huge need in that community for it. I see it. I see it so much. It's always been there.

And they're coming to me and saying, hey, can you come speak to our worship team? Can you come talk to some of our staff members? And they have a huge need for it. And I think they're very receptive. I think they're more receptive because they understand the value of their bodies that it's not their own. I think you can be very effective in that. I think there's a huge... you're being presented an incredible opportunity in my opinion. So I think that's where I would start. Now from a business perspective we have a course that I think would help you build that through understanding marketing, understanding how to present, presentation and how to be an effective

coach. The other thing I'll say is you're doing these classes, these bootcamp classes, we're not big fans of classes from a fitness effectiveness standpoint but there are incredible ways to get personal training clients. When you're teaching a class it's a very low barrier to enter, low cost way for people to get introduced to fitness. And then from there, you can pull people to hire you one on one. In fact, that's the one way that I recommend

trainers and coaches use classes. It's like, I don't like them for fitness, but I love them to get new clients to be able to do what's most effective, is one-on-one. So there's just just my thoughts right off the gates as you were talking I was thinking there's a huge opportunity here. If you if you already have a community and you're through your ministry I bet there's a need there for someone like you who can communicate fitness who's also a Christian.

Dwayne of all the things you, which one have you done the longest and how long was it? In the church realm or just in general? No, no, no. In the fitness world. We're talking business. We're talking about you in fitness and making money in business. How much one, because you needed a bunch of different things that you've done. Right. Which one have you done the longest and how long was that? Personal training would be the longest and honestly one-on-one clients has only been about two years. Yeah I think one of the things you need to do for yourself is to stick with one of the things that you do and see it out a lot further than two or three years. It takes a long time to be very successful at anything. Very few people move to a new position, a new job, a new thing, and right away see incredible financial success from it. I think everything that you've listed,

I could have found a way to make really good money doing all of them. But you can't do that if you don't stick in it longer than two or three years. I mean, the first two or three years is getting your ground, figuring out what you're doing. Like you're not going to be good till like five, you're not gonna be great till seven to ten. I mean to me that's what I hear when I hear all the stuff that you're you're rattling off and in pursuit of you know finding maybe your passion your love is like well stick to something to find out if you really love it long enough. It sounds like you kind of bounce from thing to thing or the next idea and I don't know if that's what your wife would say to you or not but that's what I'm reading or hearing from you

when I hear all the things that you've done in such a short period of time. Okay, I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, I think that's good feedback and I do love the idea of, I have this vision someday of having some kind of a church service with barbells in the background. So I like the idea of what you're talking about, Sal. Like that hits home too. But yeah, I appreciate the feedback. I think I just, I kind of need to hear from you guys because I see somebody to push me. Yeah, I'm gonna be the tough love one and tell you to, because here's what's cool is like any one of those things, like so let's say the desired outcome is literally the vision you just sent. I love that. I think that's awesome.

You could still have obtained that by becoming great at any one of the things that you did. Like that will, you becoming the best bootcamp coach teacher in the, in your state will open the door for you to have the church with all the barbells behind it, you becoming the best fitness manager in the region will open the door for you to become that own your own church with your own barbell. Like if that's the vision and the goal, it doesn't need to be so aligned where you start getting barbells behind a church and trying to grow like a business around that. No,

go become great at whatever it is that you're doing and stick with that until you become great. It'll open the door for the thing that you really wanna do deep down. But you gotta obtain that first. If you keep bouncing from thing to thing, you never give yourself the opportunity to become great at that. Yeah, are you attending our free webinars, Dwayne, on training and coaching?

Yes, and I'm also in the trainer course. Oh good. Oh good. Perfect, perfect. Good. All right, and so you must be in our forum, so you can communicate there through us, through this process. What Adam's saying is 100%, 100%. Stick with something,

and then things will reveal themselves to you. As it grows, things will start to reveal themselves. But I really do stand behind what I said. I think the Christian community, there's a huge need for really good appropriate proper Christian based fitness and nutrition help. There's a massive need and I don't know anybody who's done it well. All right, okay. Well thank you guys so much. I appreciate it. I appreciate the

tough love. That's one of the reasons I love you guys Thank you very much You want here I didn't want to be the turd I mean, I mean I was smelling that the whole time. Well, that's that's true. It is The four of us didn't land in this dream job dream position doing as well as we've all done because we all sat Decided at the same time, oh, podcasting would be a great idea. No, we wouldn't pursue being excellent at a craft or something, and that is what led all of this to happen.

Even when we did this, when we did our reunion episode, it dawned on me that we did this for like two years before we ever really made this our journey. This was our thing. This was our career. This was two years of us doing it on the side. Yes. You know, and that's after being in fitness for almost two decades.

And then by year three, it's like, oh, we can, we can kind of feed ourselves. We weren't really, we wouldn't be considered great at it till five plus years. So to me, it's just like, I hear when, uh, passionate health fitness people, and they're trying all these things and they're in pursuit of something. Something that's gonna like, this light switch could go off and be like, oh, this is it, this is my passion. Meanwhile, never sticking or doing anything long enough

to become great at it. It's like those doors aren't gonna open until you do that. And if he would have become the greatest at any one of those like positions, his- If he just stayed as a fitness manager. It would be obvious, yeah. Yeah, that vision would fall. Or a better vision would happen.

Stick with that brother. Our next caller is Jared from North Carolina. What's up, Jared? Hey guys, how are you? Crazy way to start off 2025. How can we help you? Well, I'll just get into my situation real quick. Basically, I was 33 years old about a year and a half ago and I got diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, which I found a little interesting given my age and the condition and the health that I was already in. It kind of blindsided me. I was a pretty healthy individual. I always played sports growing up, pretty athletic guy.

I was actually living in Mexico at the time working in the mission field as a missionary, leading sports camps, building houses, working with schools, teaching English, really enjoying life and came home to visit family. And they noticed that I had really lost a significant amount of weight, which I myself kind of had noticed, but I hadn't really thought much about it. It was just kind of pushing it to the side, thinking, doing a lot of physical work,

eating a lot of not the most nutritious food, doing a lot of physical labor, just really thinning out a little bit. But I was actually hospitalized for about a week or so, and they did a bunch of tests and told me I had type 1 diabetes. I had lost about 45 pounds. I developed something called peripheral neuropathy,

also accompanied with bilateral foot drops. So essentially my feet would drag as I walked. I was using artificial orthotics for a while, used a walker, did some physical therapy, and I started experiencing a lot of pain, especially in the evening from the neuropathy. And I was on some painkillers for a while, some prescription medication, which I wasn't really a big fan of. And that's when I looked into CBD and started using CBD and that was I think about a month ago or so I heard a podcast with you guys talking about the effects of CBD and blood sugar and that really sparked an interest with me

because I had noticed shortly after starting using the CBD I was getting a lot of low blood sugars, which are really not a good time. It's just you get really dizzy, you get really faint, you get really weak. And I wasn't sure what was going on, but after hearing that podcast and realizing that maybe CBD has an effect on blood sugars, I realized maybe I was giving myself too much insulin, which I have to do four to five times daily now. And so my question is, have you guys heard any more research or do you know anything more about the effects of CBD on glucose?

I've recently stopped using CBD just because the expense of it here in North Carolina. It's not as easily accessible and that the stuff that is accessible is rather expensive and so I haven't been using it as much and I have noticed that my blood sugar levels haven't been as stable or as low as they had been while using it. So I'm just wondering if there's been any more research that's come out about it. My last A1C, when I was using a two month supply of the CBD that I had, had gotten down to a 6.1, which I was really proud of.

Now I think it's closer to a seven. And so I have noticed significant differences in blood sugar levels and my A1C level when using a CBD, which I started initially using only for pain, but if it can help with my blood sugar levels and my A1C getting lower, I would like to continue. Alright, so there's a lot to unpack here and this is, I'm gonna go, remember I'm a trainer, okay, so I'm gonna be speaking based off of stuff that I've read and what I understand from either people we've interviewed or my own research. Two things, so I'm gonna be speaking based off the stuff that I've read and what I understand from either people we've interviewed or my own research

I two things first. I'll start here. Have they ruled out any auto any any known autoimmune conditions? You know developing type 1 diabetes at 33, you know that would make me think okay Your your immune system attacked your pancreas or some kind of autoimmune issue? Did they roll everything out like MS or anything else? To my knowledge they have. They did a pretty extensive amount of testing. MS specifically did not come up I don't believe. Okay. But they looked into a few different things, did a few different scans and nothing else came up and that was the official diagnosis was type one diabetes. So, so I'm assuming you did an MRI on the, on the, on the, on the brain

and the, and the spine too, correct? They did not do an MRI. No. Okay. I would ask just to, to look and see if there's any, um, any signs of any autoimmune issues, common ones. Doesn't there have to be someone this young, that fit to get diagnosed with something like that?

Yeah, but they might not be able to find it. But I would do that, especially with the peripheral neuropathy, the foot drop. I would look, I would request testing for autoimmune conditions that affect the central nervous system, to look for anything like lesions or anything like that, potential. So I would look there. Okay now in regards to cannabinoids they are being currently researched

for their insulin sensitizing effects. CBD in particular and other cannabinoids are being studied as maybe therapies for people with diabetes. There's also interesting data that shows that people who use cannabinoids regularly tend to be leaner than people who don't, and they don't quite know why, but the speculation is that, again,

it may have some insulin sensitizing effects. And then lastly, cannabinoids seem to have an immunomodulating effect. So this is why they tend to be popular with people with autoimmune disorders, because it tends to provide relief for people with autoimmune issues, because it'll dampen down whatever the autoimmune issue is.

So those are just some leads that I'm giving you that I would look into. But I would definitely get tested for autoimmune issues. And then you could look up cannabinoids and autoimmune conditions. You can also look up cannabinoids and insulin sensitivity. And then you'll be able to find lots of studies on that. But I do know that there's some pharmaceutical companies

right now who are in trials looking at cannabinoids as potential treatments for diabetes. Okay, in all all transparency just because I have I haven't been able to have access to the CBD that I was using I've started using cannabis just regular good old cannabis and I know I have noticed a little bit of effect with that question about that that though, is that impacting my gains at all? Is that impacting strength training? That's a good question. No, no, that's a great question. So, okay, here's why I don't like cannabis over a cannabinoid like CBD. You can use a very high dose of CBD and not get high. And so it's not going to affect your mental state. THC over time can cause issues

with your mental state. Things like anxiety, paranoia, loss of motivation. It's all very well established. But THC also has an immunomodulating effects and insulin sensitizing effects. All the cannabinoids seem to have this effect, but I like the non-psychoactive ones because they're not psychoactive. So now if you have a dispensary, I don't know what the laws are there, you can sometimes find cannabis that is low THC, high CBD cannabis, and you can make your own tinctures, your own butters, or you could just, you know, smoke it, which is my least favorite way of, you know way that I would say I would recommend it.

Strains like Harlequin. Yeah, so that's another thing you can look at, but yeah, look at the studies and data on this, but definitely go and request testing. Have them see if they'll do an MRI, and ask them specifically. I'd like to get tested for autoimmune issues, and if they're like, like what, just name a couple MS why well here's my symptoms I'd like to get an

MRI on my on my brain on my spine just to rule it out because it is interesting that you you know you didn't become type 2 became type 1 which tells me that your your body attacked you know your your ability to produce insulin. Which is exactly what one of the specialists that I saw here in North Carolina said, he said, it's almost as if something just attacked your pancreas and it was poisoned. And, um, this was about a year and a half ago and it, it has, um, you know, praise God slowly started to get better.

Um, I have been able to get a lot of my mobility back, not a hundred percent. Jared, you're also, you're also sparking something else in me. I think you should get tested for heavy metal toxins and toxins in general. I know you were in a mission, so you were working somewhere else. You might have been exposed to a toxin. Heavy metal toxicity or environmental toxicities can sometimes or oftentimes present as autoimmune issues and they can attack different organs of the body.

So you, and the reason why you might be slowly getting better might be you're slowly getting rid of a toxin. And heavy metal toxicity tests are pretty easy to do. Don't you think it'd probably be a good idea for him to go through like Cabral and his team? Cabral would look for it. I just feel like that.

If you don't have a lot of great resources, the fact that these people didn't send you to do some of the things we're telling you already, I think if you were communicating to our friends, Dr. Cabral and their team, I think they would be definitely checking all these things. Yeah, and you can go online, Jared, and look up symptoms of heavy metal toxicity and or can environmental toxins attack the pancreas or type 1 diabetes due to environmental toxins. Google all of that and see what you find because it is strange and it tells me either you had an infection, a virus could do it as well, or some kind of

a toxicity or some autoimmune issue that developed which the root cause would be oftentimes a mystery but sometimes we can find out what happened there as well. Okay, is that Dr. Steven Cabral that you guys have referenced? Yes. Yes. A few times on the podcast. That's right. Okay.

Yeah. We have a free forum with their team. It's called MP Holistic Health on Facebook. So you can go in there and communicate, and you can already start asking questions if anybody else knows anything about it, and then more than likely, they'll probably start and set up a consultation with you. But I mean, that's the direction I'd be sending you.

Okay, awesome. Thank you guys for the recommendation. Uh, one more quick thing. If, uh, you guys have the time for it, what, what would you recommend? Um, given my, my mobility is probably going from someone being fairly athletic, fairly active. It's probably about, um about I'd say about 70-75% of what it used to be. What program or style of training would you recommend to maybe improve that? Just as far as being able to run a game of basketball or or do some hill sprints or something like that that I would love to be able to get back to being able to do but

don't have the ability to to perform right now. Oh, Mass 15 performance. We'll send that to you, Mass 15 performance. Send it over to you Jared. It'll be a perfect dose. We got you. email. All right, well thank you guys so much. Long time listener of the show, love everything you guys are doing. And yeah, you guys got me through physical therapy because that's going from someone who enjoys to get after it in the gym and having to do

months of physical therapy, pretty boring. So lots of podcasts listen to you. I hope you find the root cause of what's going on. Yeah, I'd love to hear back. Yeah, report back. I'd love to hear from you, especially if you go through Cab what's going on. Yeah, I'd love to hear back. Yeah, report back. I'd love to hear from you, especially if you go through Cabral and start talking to them.

I'd love to hear back from you in a couple months. Yep. And by the way, being exposed to environmental toxins in some of these places that missions are done is not uncommon because they don't tend to have the same regulations with dumping chemicals or with manufacturing or you know when they build or something so so sometimes people come back and it's like oh my god you have lead or you know or you know something else so you know take a look at all that stuff okay I definitely will thank you guys for the

for the advice you got it man all right Jared thank you that's a that's above my pay grade that's rare I don't know if I've ever trained somebody in their 30s that gets type 1. First of all, especially type 1 is, you know, to get it late in life. It's frustrating, yes, because it could also be, Doug emailed on this, it could also be undiagnosed, what's it called, the gluten celiac. That could also cause type 1 diabetes when you don't know. You could attack your pancreas. Yeah, it screams autoimmune to me. It does. But what makes me upset is if it's accurate, what he said, and they didn't do an MRI on his brain

and his spine, did it rule out? What the fuck? Yeah, what the fuck? And then heavy metal testing and toxicity testing. A lot of those symptoms could be literally something like that and then you find it, it's like, oh, let's just detox you. Well, I know like half of it, if you travel anywhere,

they test you too for parasites. Parasites, oh, let's just detox you. Well, I know like half of it, if you travel anywhere, they test you too for parasites and metals and all that. So that's just like part of the protocol. That's right. Look, if you love our show, come find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump. Justin, I'm at Mind Pump with Stefano and Adam is at Mind Pump. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump.

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