Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2523: Instead of Trying to Lose Weight, Do THIS (Listener Coaching)

Episode Date: January 31, 2025

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We have a better one for you instead. Watch this. Let's talk about one for you instead, watch this. Let's talk about what to do instead in 30 days for the person whose goal is to lose 20 pounds in 30 days. Like something realistic, achievable. And not just that, but more effective. Yeah, the hard part about this is that that's possible. It's just not sustainable, I'd say,

for most anybody that actually does this, right? So if you just wanted to lose weight on the scale, I used to use extreme analogies with clients. All you care about is just the weight on the scale. Yeah, we could just stop eating this month, come in here and get on the treadmill. And I know you laugh, right? Because that's an extreme analogy.

But the point gets across that like, you know, maybe you don't eat nothing, but you eat very, very little and you push your body really hard, is what happens. And everyone falls somewhere on that spectrum of this during this process, and it's just not a sustainable way to lose fat. And if your goal, if you told me I want to lose 20 pounds of fat, Adam, and you want to keep it off for the rest of your life, there's a much better approach that not only will you most likely be successful, but you'll also be able to maintain and keep it off, which I think most people that say they want to lose 20 pounds of fat in 30 days, they want that. They don't want to just put it all right back on.

Well, there's a few things here. Number one, they want to look like they lost 20 pounds. They want to look leaner. Right. They want to lose 20 pounds of body fat and they want to do it in a way to where it's maintainable or sustainable. If you lose 20 pounds in 30 days, right out the gates, inevitably a significant portion, I don't care what you're doing, a significant portion or part of that will be muscle. You will not be able to maintain it. And if you lost 10 pounds of muscle and 10 pounds of body fat, which is probably what it's gonna be if you went hard and tried to lose 20 pounds in 30 days.

Same place body fat was. You're not really gonna look that different. It's gonna be a smaller, same flabbiness. And weaker version. And weaker version of yourself. So you're a less healthy version than you were going into the process. Instead, what you should do, if your goal is, I'm not changing your goal. So you're you're a less healthy version right then you were going into the instead

What you should do if your goal is I'm not changing your goal your goal is to lose 20 pounds Here's what you do first you gain five pounds of muscle first build the machinery that burns the body fat That improves your hormone profile that does all these incredible things first Which sets you up for success by the way if you gained five pounds of pure body fat, your body fat percentage actually goes down as a result because body fat percentage is a percentage, your body fat is a percentage of your overall body weight. So if you gained five pounds, lost no body fat, you're actually leaner as a percentage and this is what's most important, it's body fat percentage. Let's talk about why gaining five pounds, and five pounds of

muscle in your first month is doable. You can do this. My clients on average would gain between three to six pounds in the first month. If you have really good genetics, athletic background, if you were really muscular before it would be a lot more. Especially at the beginning. Especially at the beginning. If you haven't been touching weights or you haven't touched weights in a long time you it's very doable to do right so let's start with the most one of the most I think best selling points of this and it's very true gaining five pounds of muscle has a much more positive impact on your hormone profile than just trying

to lose a bunch of weight really fast. Building muscle is pro tissue, it's proactive anabolic tissue. As you build muscle, you increase the amount of androgen receptors that you have, it's known as androgen receptor density, which means that your current level of androgens, testosterone, is now more effective. By the way, this is important for women

just like it is for men. So testosterone in women is just as important as it is for men. They just have lower levels of it. And testosterone that's more effective in women is just like what testosterone that's more effective in men. It makes you leaner, stronger, gives you more drive, more motivation, and more energy. It also improves your insulin sensitivity. So having five more pounds of muscle means you have a larger capacity to store carbohydrates and sugars, and you're more sensitive to insulin. So now you're not going to get those insulin spikes and drops, or blood sugar,

I should say, spikes and drops that can cause changes in behaviors that make it difficult to stay lean. You also get better growth hormone profiles. That's the hormone of youth. And you get cortisol that is healthy. You get cortisol as you build muscle. What ends up happening, if you do this right, through the muscle building process, is you see a cortisol profile that is appropriate, where it's kind of higher in the morning and starts to come down towards the evening so you can get tired and go to sleep. So you start to, you actually are making your hormones in order to build muscle have to organize themselves in a way to do so and that's a favorable hormone profile. Just trying to lose 20 pounds oftentimes does the opposite. So you want a better

hormone profile, build the muscle first. By the way that'll contribute to better fat loss later. And then we talked about the metabolism. As you're feeding your body and strength training, eating protein like you should, your metabolism starts to speed up. In fact, we had a caller recently, now this is more of an extreme example, but routinely I would see things like this. This young lady gets on with us, she was a college athlete.

She went from eating 1800 calories to eating 3000 calories a day, okay, there's more. In that period of time she gained four pounds of muscle, okay, she wasn't doing, she went from in-season volleyball college practice to off-season, meaning she was doing three hour practices to no practices and all she was doing was strength training. So strength training, doing way less activity, she was still active, but not doing as much as she was. And she lost a pound of body fat. And she lost a pound of body fat, gained four pounds of muscle, that's it.

But her metabolism went up 1200 calories. Do you know how much cardio you have to do to burn 1200 calories every single day? That's like two hours of cardio a day. Those are the stories I like to share the most, because I do think that that's one of the things that there's still controversy in our space about. And from leading experts, right, and talking heads in our space.

So it's a tough one that we have to constantly battle, but it's not like just some random person saying it. There's doctors in our space that like to tout studies that talk about, you know, muscle only burns X amount of calories more per day, which is a very insignificant number, yet been doing this for decades and seeing tons and tons of examples, just like the caller you're talking about today, that is gained only four or five

pounds of muscle, yet is eating double the amount of calories. And so if that study told the whole story, then that wouldn't be possible. That wouldn't be possible that she, especially considering she's reduced her cardiovascular activity. So you can't, like, cause some people are like, well, yeah, but you're not accounting for, now that she's working out.

The excess activity. She's, yeah. Less activity. She's doing less movement in the day. She only put on four pounds of muscle, yet she's eating 1,500 more calories. It just doesn't math. And I've seen this time in and time again

with so many clients. And so I don't like when we get into these arguments over what the research says about comparing muscle to fat, because there's obviously more going on that we don't fully understand. 100%. It's not just the muscle. It's the process of building muscle.

It's the signal that you're sending to build muscle. It's the way you feed yourself to build muscle. It's what you have to do to maintain the muscle. Right. So essentially, your body has, everybody's body has a range of calories it can burn with the same lean body mass, okay? So gain or lose no muscle, and your body can, through complex metabolic processes,

burn more or less calories, become less or more efficient. The muscle building process allows or teaches your body, for lack of a better term, to burn more calories on its own. So in my experience, so she was a college athlete, good genetics, so I'll just give you my average. My average client in the first month of training, it wasn't unheard of, so long as there weren't injuries

I had to correct and they were healthy. About three to six pounds of muscle gain in the first month was pretty average. I mean, I had some people do more. These were people who were really muscular before, lost it all, they had muscle memory. But the average person, remember this is the average like 30-something, 40-something year old person,

three to six pounds of muscle. By the end of that month, most people's metallurbs were like three, 400 calories faster. Three to 400 calories faster. That's like 45 minutes of cardio every single day just sitting there. You're now setting yourself up for a future of fat loss that's sustainable without having to do more work to get

there. Or another way to look at it, you're looking at a future that has metabolic flexibility which allows you to enjoy the Friday night out at dinner every once in a while or the occasional drink with your spouse. And really that's what you're looking for is to be able to have some balance. The people that lose this weight, that do it the wrong way, where they just cut calories and move like crazy, this is why it's not sustainable. Because more than likely, they're going to go back to real life at one point. At one point, a birthday is going to happen. At one point, they're going to go on vacation. And when you do that, when you've done nothing but restrict a ton of calories and do tons of cardio to lose that 20 pounds,

you put yourself in a place metabolically that allows no flexibility whatsoever. The margin of error is so slim. Yes. Versus the other. And if you stack them next to each other, it's just like you see those benefits. It's very crystal clear. It's like you basically have to get down to a level where you're so low energy, you're frail, you're weak. get down to a level where you're so low energy, you're frail, you're weak. And at this point too, where else can you go other than just maintaining this really low amount of calories that you're consuming? And so anytime you actually add a little bit of variation to that, it's like now I get

the weight back on really quick versus now I've set myself up metabolically where I can have a lot of calories and slowly kind of reduce, but also there's just a lot more wiggle room there, and I'm strong, and I'm energetic, and all these positive things. Which leads to the next point that Sal has, which is you feel better doing it this way. Way better. Leaning out through building muscle and building your metabolism feels so much better than chronically under eating

and doing tons of cardio to lose weight. It is a dramatic difference of a feeling. I mean, one of my favorite things with clients that this was their goal that I used to love to do when we were reverse dieting and we were going through this process through the building muscle in order to lose the body fat process would be they would come back to you like, Adam, I'm eating more than I've ever ate in my life and I'm leaning out. This doesn't make sense. And that is such a great place.

It's working to get your people to, because that is something that's going to be single versus the people that are just feel like they're dragging ass and punishing themselves day in and day out and feel like they're starving all day long and they're sacrificing so much. That's just not sustainable. It doesn't feel, it doesn't look at one of the main reasons why people fall off besides lack of results is it starts to feel like drudgery. It starts to feel terrible. I don't feel good. Now people will lie to themselves like you take somebody who loses 20 pounds in 30 days and they beat themselves up and starve themselves they look at the scale

they're like oh I feel great. The truth is if they went, if they did what we're saying, they would feel far better. Now people will confuse themselves because they look at the scale. But if you do the muscle building process, that's a feel good, energetic, I feel mobile. This is amazing and that leads to better consistency later on. By the way, you're still gonna lose the 20 pounds of body fat. So we're not saying gain five pounds of muscle and you're done. We're saying gain five pounds of muscle first. That makes the 20 pounds of fat loss possible and sustainable and probable and it feels much better. And finally, it's better on your psyche. Okay? There's two scenarios here. Scenario one, let's cut your calories way down and have you just do tons and tons of cardio.

Scenario two, I'm gonna have you strength train twice a week, maybe three days a week, but probably twice a week, and I'm gonna have you actually probably increase your caloric intake a little bit through whole natural foods and high protein. So now I'm telling somebody who wants to lose 20 pounds of body fat, eat more of these things, do a little bit of strength training versus eat way less

and run on the treadmill. Which one is better on your psyche? Right, which one? One's punishing, it feels that way. The other one's like, oh wow, I can add more? That's interesting. 100%. Well we talk a lot about how human nature,

we're rebellious by nature. And so I remember it being such a huge hack as a trainer to when I had clients that we needed to diet or we needed to lose weight that the strategy of having them add things that are good for them in a diet versus telling them they can't have things with such a better strategy and it's for the psyche. It's for that reason. It's like reverse psychology.

It's like this person, we know that they've obviously over consumed calories for a long time to get in this place. Telling them purely to restrict and cut back is not like new to them. They're aware that they've overate, but it's such a flip to go, hey, instead of me telling you, you can't do this, you can't do that, this is what I want you to do. Go get this, go get that. Now make sure every day we have at least one of these and at least one of that. And they kind of look at you like, wait a second, what about this?

No, don't worry about that right now. I just want you to go get this. What that does psychologically to that person is it doesn't make them feel like they have this inner rebellious side that they need to rebel against themselves. Instead, they're like going after foods. Such a different response that you get from clients when you, when you set goals like this. And by the way, we're speaking from experience, you know,

we trained people for 20 years. A funny part of the story. Okay. Uh, the three of us really didn't train clients together. We all kind of had our own businesses training clients. When we met and started the podcast and we were sharing notes, we all found success doing this. We all figured this out with our clients and all of us took a good seven, eight years

to figure this out because what you're taught or what you think is right as a trainer is to take that person who wants to lose 20 pounds, throw them on the treadmill, cut their calories. But through years and years of failing, flipping it around, figured it out, success rate went through the roof. I got a study to bring up to you guys about muscle quality.

So you guys know Dr. Gabrielle Lyon has been talking about this. Oh yeah, she blew my mind with that. I didn't even think in that regard. She's been talking about this for a while. So, you know, there's BMI, right? So how much you weigh versus your height. Then there's body fat percentage, which is, you know, better, right?

That's a better way to measure what's going on. But what they didn't look at, or what they haven't looked at in a long time was muscle quality. Okay, you've got some muscle on your body, but someone who works out with the same muscle versus someone who doesn't work out with the same muscle, there's a difference. There's a big difference. The visual being sort of that fillet versus

you know the ribeye. If you look at it like meat being muscle. That's right. That's what they're finding and what they're finding is the person who works out has healthy muscle. It's more insulin sensitive, more protective. It's obviously stronger, but what they're finding in there is that it's, they call it fatty muscle. So that's the term for it. This is from the, this is January 19th, 2025 in Science Daily.

It was from the European Society of Cardiology. And this is the summary of the study. People with pockets of fat hidden inside their muscles are at a higher risk of dying or being hospitalized from a heart attack or heart failure regardless of their body mass index according to new research. This intramuscular fat is highly prized in beef steaks for cooking. However, little is known about this type of body fat in humans and its impact on health. This is the first study to comprehensively investigate the effects of fatty muscle on heart disease. So in other words, it's not just about

body fat percentage, but it's quality. Yeah, the quality of that muscle. Muscle quality and the way you improve muscle quality is through exercising and strengthening those muscles. So healthy muscle, healthy lean body mass, by the way, this is why I think, you know the studies that show that grip strength is a great predictor of all cause mortality? And it's strength in general. So if you look at the studies on muscle,

really it's because muscle means strength, and it's strength that correlates most to health. It's not necessarily how much muscle you have, but what the strength looks like. Now of course you can go extreme, I'm not talking about pro bodybuilders and powerlifters. I'm talking about general population, people who are fit versus not fit, because you can go too extreme in any direction. But what they find is the strength, and I think it's muscle quality.

I think if you took 150 pounds of muscle that's not healthy versus 150 pounds of muscle that's healthy, you will see more strength. There'll be a difference there. Yeah, it'll be interesting. Yeah, I hadn't even thought on that direction, because I mean, thinking of muscle that's healthy, you'll see more sprain. There'll be a difference there. Yeah, it'd be interesting. Yeah, I hadn't even thought on that direction, because I mean, thinking of muscle quality, being able to contract more force or recruit a higher frequency with that, it makes a lot of sense

in terms of that kind of tripping up the process, having less quality to your muscle fibers. I think it also highlights too, just the value of strain training, even if you don't have the best diet. Right, like so even if you- That's what it says, regardless of BMI. Right, and so I think that that's the big takeaway I gave,

because I know that I made the mistake for many years of having that attitude of like, I need to be everything, right? Like, cause I know diet is, they say 75% of your results is your diet. So man, it's pretty much everything, right? So why would I waste my time lifting weights if I'm not dialing in my nutrition? And I'm pretty sure there's a lot of other people

that have a similar type of attitude, like, oh, like, you know, they say, oh, I got the holidays coming, and then I'll start my diet, and then I'll start my routine. It's like, well, actually, don't do it just for that reason, you know? Yes, obviously lining up your diet while also strengthening is going to accelerate results. You're only going to get just for that reason. Yes, obviously lining up your diet while also strengthening is going to accelerate results, you're only gonna get better results that way, but to me it really highlights just the value

and the importance of strength training regardless. Even if you don't have the best diet, even if you aren't consistent, even if you are on off the wagon because it's the holidays a little bit, of hey, maintaining that consistency around lifting weights and building strength, that's what it really tells me. So without getting to the extremes here, okay,

I'll give you an example where we highlight this, right? A woman who is strong at 30% body fat is gonna be healthier than a woman that's at 15% body fat that's frail. So 15% shredded for a woman, but frail meaning not strong and weak. If you compared those two people with their mortality and disease rates, the 30% body fat woman with strength

would be much healthier. Same thing could be said for a man at 20% who's strong versus a 10% body fat man who's frail. So that muscle is incredibly protective. One of my favorite things about some of these studies on muscle is it's very protective against the sedentary lifestyle. I mean, I'll use myself as an example. We were just talking about this. My wife just got a pedometer to measure steps because she's right now tracking her steps. She wants to see just how active she is. And she goes on walks with the kids and she's with,

I have two toddlers, so she's moving. And she's reporting to me how many steps she's averaging a day. She's like, well, I did two walks on the stroller and I'm up with the kids all day. She's like, I'm barely breaking nine or 10,000 steps a day. And I'm like, man, I don't even track my steps. I'm in the studio pretty much all day long. We're recording all day.

I'll bet you, I bet you I barely break three or 4,000. Oh, I know. Oh, I bet you I barely break three or four thousand. Oh, I know. I know. I track a lot. I track a lot. And I know we all have very similar habits around. What does it look like when we're here? Three.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. When we're, when you, and just, that's including a workout by the way. So even, I know you work out every day. Yeah. That's, that is your two, 2,500 steps right there. Yeah, because we ain't stepping nothing here. Yeah, yeah.

In here. And I know we go for our walks mid afternoon here and stuff like that, but you're talking maybe four tops, tops four, but more like three, which I mean, they say the average person is less than 4,000 steps a day. And you can see why. I mean, if you have a desk job or a job where you sit in a chair like this, you really have to actively go out here.

But the point you're trying to make right now, which I think is so awesome, which the audience doesn't know too, we were talking about how many calories you can eat right now and get away with, because how much lean mass you have. I mean, it's like you can, you easily can eat and you can eat out of balance,

even though you don't really that much, but you could eat out of balance and not really move that much and yet still stay very lean and healthy because of how much muscle you have. I would be healthier, it would be, to be clear, it would be much better for my health. Sure. If I were walking.

Of course. 10,000 steps a day, but this is how protective muscle is, is that, and I know people like this, who strength train, who have desk jobs, so they'll do their three or four workouts a week in strength training, you've got good strength and muscle, and then they have a desk job. And when you look at their blood panels and

their health markers, they're great. Muscle is very protective. I mean, that's what I think that's something that, and I hope that the audience gets that message from us. There are plenty of fitness people out there that are far, way fitter than I am. Way fitter. Have way better healthy, healthier habits than I do. I never am I trying to, I think the message that I think I'm always trying to convey on here is how little you have to do to stay pretty damn healthy if you do these things. And I'm always looking for that, that,

that low barrier for everybody to get out to be able to see great results and how little you actually have to do to be much healthier than average person. Yes, I would be better off at least in introducing one or two days of some pretty good cardio intensity in there and I should be working more of my mobility and flexibility and even more consistent with my strength. There are so many things that I could be better about, but what I love is that because I've put so much effort into building muscle and strength for so long, man, I stay, I mean, you look at all my health markers and my body fat percentage, man, I can stay pretty damn healthy considering how little effort I have

to put in that direction. And I think that's really the message I always want to present to the general population is that it doesn't have to be that crazy. It doesn't have to be that hard. You don't have to be like some of these people that we put on these pedestals and that we admire so much as these fitness people that are fanatical about a lot of it. And cool, that's neat that we have people like that to look up to. But I don't know, there's other things in my life that are more important and I want everybody to understand that, man, if you could just make one or two days of full body strength training a week.

And try and walk. Yeah, and try and walk a little bit and make sure you hit your protein intake and eat whole foods. Just live by that as a bulk of your lifestyle. You're going to be really, really healthy and for a very long time and you're really going to see it as you get into your 30s, 40s, 50s as you start to, I mean, Doug's a great example of this. We were just talking

also before we got on air how much different he looks than any of his peers. And I don't think Doug's a fanatical fitness person. I think he's, I would say he probably falls in the category of me. He goes in his waves when he's on a kick or he's in there a lot than his other times when he's kind of whatever doing his thing. But he overall eats whole foods, makes good choices, takes care of himself. And I mean, the guy looks like he definitely looks younger than us now. So, I mean, it says a lot. Would you mind, how old are you for real?

59. I know I'm a little bit older. 59, bro. 59, bro. He's approaching 60. 159. Almost 60. Fucking old.

He's old, man. I know people who are 60. And I don't know people who are 60 who are like you. At all. Such, so different. No medications, no major issues. I mean. When we hang out, we're all going to bed early, he's trying to stay up and hang out more.

Yeah, no. I mean, and strong, Doug can hang into every lift that we do, he's strong. And it's like, and I also, again, what I think is important to understand is like, cause there's examples, of course, in our space, of lots of people that are stronger, better looking, fitter, all the things. But it's like, I don't think we present that message. And I don't think any of us are, Sal's the most radical when it comes to training and diet, right? The

rest of us, I think are pretty normal. And I think that, I think we're also pretty fit and healthy. And that ability to do that is a testament of what strength training has done. Proper strength? It'd be interesting to see though too. I think a lot of these influencers like you're thinking of right now or that you followed from the beginning, a lot of times it's a period of time. It's like maybe three year run, five year run, let's give them 10 years, let's say, right?

But then all of that kind of catches. It'd be interesting to see for the long game, like who you keep following. I'm watching, so we've been doing this now, 10 years. I know. And so without saying names, I'm not gonna throw people under the bus, but I know people that were in their 20s

in popular fitness influencers. Now they're getting to marriage and a kid and life, and they built their brand around their shirts off and all their crazy stuff they're doing and you can see it. You can see it decline. They're still in good, great shape, not taking anything away from it. But it's like, you know, now more of life is sitting, they became famous at a period of time in their life when that's all that-

I almost want to create a rule for everybody not to follow anybody 20 years old. You're going to be misled. That's true. I mean, there's a lot of truth all that. I almost want to create a rule for everybody not to follow anybody 20 years old. You're gonna be misled. That's true. I mean, there's a lot of truth in that. You know what I'm saying? And so I do think that, I don't know, the message I think I'm wanting, or at least I try and present to people.

We want to get most people healthy. Yeah. That's it. I'm not trying to turn you into a pro bodybuilder or pro athlete. Yeah, and I'm not trying to argue or. There's voices for that anyway, you know? Like that's. I'm not trying to argue or persuade's voices for that anyway, you know, like that's I'm not trying to argue or persuade to with

Somebody who's already in incredible shape and has the routine and you know, it's like now then my message isn't for you I'm looking for people that that need help Yeah I mean when I think back to our career when we were actually training people on a daily basis, right? you know on average I see eight to ten people every single day when I was training clients and You know, I can I can count on one hand How many of them were fitness people like fanatics? Yeah Yeah, most of them hired me because they just the ones that became fitness fanatics became trainers later. Yes

You have them. Yes, and but the rest of them really didn't give two shits about how they looked exactly You know saying they wanted they were there because they want they knew it was important It was there to improve the quality of their life. Yes, and they knew that doing that would improve everything else in their life, and so therefore they understood the priority, they understood investing in a professional that could teach them.

And so they were always looking for, I don't know, what's the least I have to do? What is the least shit I gotta track, follow, do to be really, really healthy? How realistic is it? Can I ever be this? And you know, I love being able to take somebody and be like, listen, you'd be blown away how good you could look, how good you could feel with how little effort. If we make strength training the cornerstone, we make a real cautious effort to be consistent with your protein intake, majority of the time you're eating whole foods, I'll tell you what,

I'll blow you away about how good you feel, how good you look all the way as you age. Love it. Love it. You know, speaking of health, I watched this woman speak on mental health and she was citing all this data. And I found it very fascinating. Do you know one of the, what, what the most accurate predictor of mental health issues or dysfunction is? Like one of the, what is one of the hallmarks

of mental health issues? Like depression? Well, so people that suffer for mental health issues. Like trauma or? Yeah, what they find is that what they typically all have in common is that these people are Negative? Inflexible.

Oh, inflexible. Or they can't, inflexible are not adaptable. I don't mean, I mean in terms of flexibility. Oh, okay. So people who have a tough time dealing with frustration, with changes, with changes in routine, with expectations, with whatever. People who really struggle with those kinds of things,

it is a hallmark of mental health. That's interesting you say that because I can't help but think about what we've went through probably the last 12 years I'd say, right? At least the last three if not four presidencies. The extremes from one way to the other. Imagine how much that impacts your life and then how extreme each side has been. And if that's true and you're not very adaptable to a new way of looking at things

or a new leader or new rules or new stuff, how much that could affect your overall mental health. I mean, I can't think of a time, at least not in my lifetime, where I have felt that as much. And I don't know if that's exacerbated because of social media or whatever, or just because the leaders have been so extreme different. But I bet that plays a massive role then

in why we've seen such a spike in it in the last decade. The less mental health, the worse mental health you have, the harder that is, the harder it is for you to go through changes. Your adaptability isn't so good. And so like COVID really pulled that out. A lot of people. Everybody was grasping for control. Everybody, I mean, and that's kind of what you do when you can't, when you're not adaptable. That's right. Like you have to find those areas where you can like, you know Make sure it's controlled and like I'm safe and or whatever it is like versus yeah

Just building your body up being resilient towards these changes. I thought that was really interesting. I thought about the mental health Kind of epidemic with kids and a lot of it is related to their fact that they aren't as adaptable. So when you talk to employers and teachers, what they'll say is these kids freak out. They freak out over things. They can't handle stress or challenges. It's adaptability, that's what it is. They don't have the same level of adaptability.

Now there's a lot of causes for that, so we can talk about all the reasons behind that, but lack of adaptability, lack of ability to handle frustration or changes or whatever, that was the hallmark that they talked about. And that made me come to that. There's a bit of shielding going on in terms of the hovercraft parent,

where we're trying to make sure that everything's safeguarded and we're not letting them fall and have these moments of these lessons that they need in terms of like, oh, I'm gonna be okay if this happens. And they learned that themselves. Speaking of parenting, we just had that great episode with Erica Komosar.

Was there anything personally that you got from that that you've taken home and you're trying to implement more in your family or maybe even just a reminder. God, one thing she said that I blew away a belief that I had, now I'm better at it now, but definitely when I was an early dad I wasn't great at this. I always thought it was about quality time, not quantity.

And she said, that's a myth. That was that question I asked you. She shit all over that. Yeah, yeah. I thought the same thing. Because that's an argument a lot of people make. Everybody makes that. Makes that argument That was that question I asked you. She shit all over that. Yeah, yeah. I thought the same thing. Cause that's an argument a lot of people make. Everybody makes that. Makes that argument of like,

and I adopted that too. I was like, yeah, that makes sense, right? Like, you know, better to spend one hour of like engaged with my kid than four hours and I'm disconnected or what that like, so it's more about that. But boy, she really shit on that. Yeah, that one hit me because.

That hit me too, that was a good one. Yeah, that was a big one. It's like, you know, because they're both important, but one doesn't supplement the other or get rid of the other one. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was a big one. Did you have another one?

Yeah, there was the, something that, this made me more cognizant of it, like is Max seeing my affection with Katrina. Oh yeah. I'm not a big PDA person, right? Like I don't do a lot in, like that's not, I'm very, I am an affectionate person and Katrina and I have a very affectionate relationship.

She's more of the touchy feely and lean over and kiss me. I love you, do that, so with that. And so I was like, you know, I could be better about making an effort so my son sees a lot of that. And so like that was something that I think resonated with me. So what are you doing just randomly now going to portray her? Yeah, I'm trying to be better like she is with that, you know. How does it feel for you to do that?

It's work, you know. So yeah, I mean, anytime, I mean, I think that's just the honest truth, you know, anytime that you become aware of something that you could be better at or you don't do, I think you'd be lying or I would be lying to say that it's not work. It's not effort. I've openly talked about my relationship with the family thing and it took a lot of years of consistency on my part of making an effort to enjoy that process and it's it's such a such a bummer to have to say that because I know what it must feel like on her end to hear that like man that sucks we come around my family and you have to

try you can't just like I wish I could say yeah well you know you have an exceptional wife though she understands you so well that I think a lot of it she doesn't take personal I think she really no does a good job. No, she's great. She does a good job. She's patient. Well, what's the term? She's a good strengthener for you. So she gets you, she understands you,

allows you to grow, and encourages you. So I think she sees that and gets it. Because I can see how the other person will take that personal. I mean, one of the things, if you ever talk to Katrina and you ask her about us and the things that, one, what she fell in love with or the things that she knew about us, it's that we're both very, very growth-minded and her attitude

towards anything, she is very patient and flexible and understanding with all of my flaws so long as she sees me working on it. And I'm the type of person person that's just who I am. Like I'm open, I'm self-aware, lots of flaws, but I'll always be actively trying to be like, and I think that's what's always attracted her and made her patient is that it's not like I have these habits, behaviors, or things,

and I'm denying them or I'm not gonna change. It's that like, yeah, I recognize I'm kind of a pain in the ass when it comes to that and I know I suck at it, like I could be better and like, and then seeing me put in the work to do that. I think that's what gives her that flexibility probably, or she, what she would probably tell you. So, but yeah, that was something I got from that. I noticed a response from Max.

Well, yeah. So, I mean, I knew what really triggered is cause she's really good at that. And it's really cute that and maybe I'll get lucky and he'll always Think of that as we were even though I think she's being the one who's really good Whenever we kiss in front of him. He always comes running over and gets in the middle of us. No way Oh, yeah It's the middle and all three of us do a kiss and and we've done that a lot because we used to read together every

night and so he's definitely seen that but I could be better on my end of engaging because I want to make sure that he sees me loving his mother the same way she loves me and so I mean I don't we'll see how that plays out but that was my I have my flaws for sure but that one I'm that one I'm I'm too much I think like my wife will be trying to do something not going I can't do anything do anything just get off me I was like is it funny how almost every almost every couple has I mean, I mean it was probably meant to be that way right like there's always one who's more Than than the other you know that balance section one are you surprisingly? Yeah, are you yeah? Yeah, he is he's very affectionate ever seen with his boys. He's always you know yeah Yeah, Courtney's like that too like Like you more like, you know, just kind of Keeping everything together and her her affection really is like in her cooking and her preparation and like this is my love and giving it To us, you know from that place and so for me, I'm always like I'm the touchy feely guy But I don't do that with you guys. Yeah

It's a different experience. Yeah, that's how I am. So she's like that where her expression of it is through action, right? The things that I do. That's how I always said, like, I'm not big on, I'm not good about saying it as much and letting her feel it that way. It's more like it's the things I do. You know, that's what I try. I like words of affirmation. I've told my wife many, many times. And I actually caught... That's so funny to me that you're that way. I feel like we would be, cause I'm totally not that. I don't know shit about that.

I love words of affirmation. I love being encouraged. It strengthens me, makes me feel good. I love it. I gotta get better at that. That's a big flaw of mine. Is it? Yeah, congratulating, celebrating,

or pointing things out that my wife's doing really well. I'm like, ugh, I should've said something. I didn't say it. Is she good about words of affirmation to you? Or do you feel like you need it or you like it? Katrina's so good at it, but I don't even care. I tell her all the time, I'm like, that's not a big deal. Probably. I mean, she's better at it than me, but I don't really

seek it as much. What do you like? I like touch, man. You gotta touch me, dude. It really gets to my heart. You guys have all read love languages now, too. That's such a good heart. You guys have all read Love Languages now too. That's such a good book. I tell people, if you're listening to this and you're

early in a relationship, or even if you're not in a relationship, I think that was probably one of the most important books I ever read. Because it gave me the words to be able to communicate and then also to understand, because here's what happens, a lot of times in a relationship, is everybody feels like when they love somebody the way they like to be loved, to understand, because here's what happens a lot of times in our relationship is you, everybody feels like when they love somebody the way they like to be loved, they feel like they're doing it.

Yeah, they try to communicate with their loved ones. Exactly, because that's what they like, therefore that's how they reciprocate this, right? So again, that's what Katrina loves to touch, words after she loves that stuff, she's really good at doing that, I'm terrible at it, but then I also don't need that. So even though she's doing it like crazy, what's hard for that person to understand is that she feels like she's putting all the effort in and working, but she's loving me the way she wants to be loved.

Therefore, I'm not receiving it that way. So understanding that is so powerful because a lot of times that's where this happens in a relationship is both partners feel like they're trying and both partners feel like the other person isn't trying, but it's because they're speaking a different language. No, my wife's got a lot better with things. I've told her a bunch of times,

like I like words of affirmation. And I saw her, she had an alarm go off on her phone. I looked at it and said, word of affirmation. I said, did you set an alarm to a meeting? Ah! It's my hack. Did you give me, she's like, I did. I'm like, wait, and I kinda like, is that,

that's not the same. It's all scheduled in there. You have to schedule it. She's like, look, this is not the way I normally communicate. Hey, it's work. She definitely does acts of service. She likes spending time. Hers is time.

She likes to spend time together. That's a big one. And she's touchy-feely as well. I'm just over the top. You guys know me, I'm super touchy-feely. Yeah, I was trying to think from that interview like what really resonated. And I think it was like, for me,

I had a tendency to want to, cause I, I want to like reserve myself from just jumping in and kind of taking over with my kids in terms of like whatever they're doing and pursuing, because I want them to learn and to struggle and all this kind of stuff, I'm like, you know, that's where I'm like, I'm dad, I need to teach them a lesson, you know,

when really it's like spending that time and like the volume of time is kind of along the same line with that where I was like, you know, I gotta work on this and just, finally it was something that it was easier because I could relate with basketball and I could relate with like some of these other pursuits and like entrepreneurship with Ethan. And so those two things I like have on my radar

with both of them that I'm like immersing myself with them for time You know and just spending that time Having them ask me questions or like, you know work on that kind of stuff cuz like my go-to before that was like I'm gonna get him somebody to teach him because they don't want to learn from dad Yeah, and I'm like, no they want to learn from dad Well, you're your kids heroes super obvious your boys look at you as a hero, so that's cool. I had a frickin' win, dude. I gotta tell you guys about this massive win.

My teenage daughter, having a win with your teenage kids is just such a, so recently. Milestone. One of the tough things for anybody who's divorced, who has dual custody with their kids, it's that this is a huge struggle. There's this guilt, this underlying guilt, or whatever you wanna call it,

where it's hard to be tough on your kid because then they go off to their mom and you don't see them for another weekend. So you just want them to be happy all the time. And this is always a struggle. It's always a struggle, it's always challenging. But anyway, more recently, through help from my wife and a lot of prayer, I've been able to kind of

rein that in. And we had this big situation with my daughter. She's 15, she's a beautiful young lady, very hard working, the whole deal, but she's 15, and so she's starting to blossom into a young lady, and so I kind of had to put the brakes on the way she was dressing a few things. And it's nothing crazy, but as my wife explains it best,

yeah, she says, this is the starting point, it only goes down from here, so stop it now, otherwise it's hard to go backwards. So I did, and we got this blowout, you guys know about this, we got this huge argument, my daughter and I, this big old blowout thing, and she literally was pissed off at me for a month. So for a whole month, she acted just angry with me, kind of silent a little bit, would just say minimal words.

I had to deal with that for 30 days, just eating me up, you know, just angry with me, kind of silent a little bit, would just say minimal words. I had to deal with that for 30 days, just eating me up, you know. But I did, and we came through it, and my relationship has been getting closer with my daughter. And one thing also is really looking into child psychology, when your kids feel contained by you, they feel cared for. It's actually neglect.

It's neglectful when you don't give your kids boundaries. Even if the kid says they like it, they actually feel like mom and dad don't care for me. So that really sold it on me. Like, okay, I don't want her to feel like I don't care about her because I do. So I did that. I put my arms around a little bit and said,

here's the boundary, we're not doing this, I don't care. I'm dad, you're gonna have to listen to me type of deal, whatever. So anyway, I was talking to my ex-wife the other day and we were talking about my daughter and she goes, oh, I gotta tell you something. She goes, I was talking with her the other night and you know what she said to me?

I said what? She goes, she said, you know, sometimes Papa just loves me too much. I was like, oh, my heart. He loves me too much. Oh, my heart exploded. My wife made a little, like a frame picture of that. I have a little desk at home. So now just says, well,

loves me too much. Oh, so it was so nice. That's a great, that's great. Cause then you know, that's her interpretation is that yes is no dad hates me. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's good. So cool. Speaking of like touching things, you guys see what element did for the LA fires for did so cool did. So cool. So explain this. So they were providing... Yeah, they were sending all the ready to drink Element drinks to all the firefighters that were coming. I mean, we had firefighters coming in from all over, right? So obviously those fires were massive. They were providing them with...

Other states, everything like that. Yeah, I don't know if they were shipping them by truck, helicopter or what, but I saw the pallets. I mean, just pallets and pallets. Electrolyte water for all these hardworking men and women trying to put the fires out. Wow. Yeah, it's always so cool when I see some of our partners. It always makes you feel good about the companies that we've decided to partner up with that do stuff like that.

And then they have a nominate. What is that? What are they doing there, Doug, with the nominate? Yeah, so if you know somebody that's in the fire zone, you can actually nominate them to receive the element product. For free. For free, they'll send it to them. Wow, wow, that's so nice.

I wish a lot of, you know, if more companies did that during these emergencies, you know. Yeah, during crisis. I love that when certain companies really take that on and shine and, you know, like, was it Elon Musk when they brought the Starlink in and the other tragedy that happened there in the, was that North Carolina or?

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about with the floods or whatever. Yeah, they were like flying it in and. Giving them internet. Giving them internet. I wish more stuff like this was highlighted because I think, I like to believe that as a whole, our society is good and would actually do good

for each other. Like obviously there's evil people, there's corrupt people, but I've never been a fan of us waiting, hoping, or putting our trust in the government to save all of us. I think that, I think we're better off waiting for our neighbor. I really feel like our neighbor will step up and do it the right way before government does. And I think that this is just another example of that. And I just, I don't think it gets highlighted enough. I don't think people talk a lot about those situations like that. I'm sure, uh, you know, Elon was talked about for a day and then forgot about, and then now we're now he's a Hitler salute or whatever.

Oh, viral thing right now. So watch the whole video. First of all, it looks bad. It does. Straight up looks bad. At first, I was like, oh, in a clip. When I first saw it, I was like, what are you doing, dude? No, he was talking. And he's spastic.

He's weird. And he's talking. And he says, he's autistic, isn't he? He's almost like a tick. Yeah, and he goes, he says, my heart goes out to you. And he grabs his heart and throws it out.'s almost like a tick. Yeah, he goes, he says, my heart goes out to you, and he like grabs his heart and throws it out, but it looked like, it's almost like a clip of what I just did. Hitler salute. Yeah. And that's all he needed. That's all his enemies needed. Yeah, so these news outlets, they just

clipped the part where he's doing the salute only and repeating it. It's like, oh, it looks so bad. So funny. It's so funny. But you know, when you criticize someone, there's a lot of things you can criticize them over, but that one's not true. It's not true. But that's what goes viral, right? Yeah. Oh, it's, I mean, it's so- He was not doing a Nazi salute.

He literally said in the video, you hear the whole thing. Well, so I didn't watch the whole thing. My heart goes out to you. I didn't watch the whole thing. He grabs his chest. But I heard, I mean, I heard the whole speech. His hands are all over the place. Yeah.

Because he's all, you know what I'm saying? Because he's autistic. He doesn't know what to do with his hands, period. So I mean, you got to kind of either, he's got a funny, you got to laugh. He's an odd bird. Yeah, sure. You know what I'm saying?

Or his publicist is like, oh, great. I hope he's got like buddies. You know what I mean? Cause like if one of us did that, I would rip on you. I guarantee it. Oh, yeah. I'm sure he heard. He got a bunch of text messages.

Justin wore the commie jacket. Oh, yeah. The North Korean. Yeah. Yeah, you guys didn't warn me about that. I was just rocking it. Oh hey, what's up King Jong Il. Speaking of fires, Justin, you, it's somewhat local to you. That huge battery. Moss landing. Yeah, moss landing. So, is it the biggest like, this is like these smokestacks and it's like, at first I think it was some kind of energy plant. It wasn't nuclear.

No, it was battery. They're lithium batteries. But the lithium batteries, the fire, they take on all the discarded batteries from EV cars. So this is like where they're just dumping all these like batteries. And so it somehow caught fire. I don't know. I don't know the, I was trying to read into the story to see if they know the actual cause, but some sparked and then caught fire.

And you know, with batteries, if you get them like hot enough, it's just one explosion after the next. And so this was like a pretty long, uh, winded fire. Like it went on for quite a bit and kept like, And chemicals burning and they had to shut down It was an air like toxic chemicals everywhere in the Leaching and guess what? There's there's farmland all surrounding the whole thing. So that gets in the soil we're so not to

Ten foil hats right because yeah weird. I mean This is also what's really interesting about something like this is our energy grid's been getting hit. Well, yeah Okay, so and then you and we have we have this new shift in power and there's this now conservative movement And then it's like a story like this just falls right in line with and this is why electric cars are bad And this is why we need to oil and frack more. Oh yeah, you're going from that angle. Oh, totally. I guess you can use it either way. Of course.

That's how I would see it. I that's, that's to me, it creates a great storyline around that. And that's the wave and the movement this direction and how to get people behind it. I mean, this clearly is a clear example of like what people that are all sitting high and mighty in their EV car need to react, like realize what what's gonna happen to your battery once it's done

you know it doesn't just disappear like this becomes a big environmental I mean this is my point though this is this is what they want conservative people well this narrative hasn't been there at all I will because four years ago now we're moving this way yes I mean, god, man, you guys have made me so suspicious of everything now. It took us a while. Just 10 years. Yeah, now I don't trust anything.

I don't trust anything. Left, right, doesn't matter. I don't trust anything right now. Welcome, brother. Hey, you don't trust anything. How about this $500 billion investment they're going to make? Bro. Stargate AI?

Is that what's going to happen? Oh, $500 500 billion dollars a trillion dollars yeah and and so this is Space Force and yeah AI yes dude okay and so let's talk about like some potential things that could be well so great about it super AI that is managed by the first of all super AI scary but super AI managed by the government yeah we know, super AI is scary, but super AI managed by the government? Yeah. We know what they do with some containers around them, like with something like this,

like their ability to manipulate and control and social credit system. That's what I'm most worried about is the social credit thing. I'm not, see I'm not even, that one is not the one that's alarming to me. The space forcing is more alarming to me, because here's what I think.

50 years ago, very few people were privy to the war games that were happening behind closed doors. How much of this shit was just all to make money? And like barely, I feel like just recently in the last decade or two, people are now privy. Now people are waking up going like, so much of this bullshit. So you know

what we do let's move into space yep and the aliens and UFOs and the price on this all back gets even higher very high very high space station yes and the aliens spaceship aliens we need way more billions of dollars to find lasers that are way more expensive than new way more so, we saw now we're all together drones before that. We don't want to get killed by aliens and we don't want our, our earth to get blown up. So of course we got to send money that way. Trillion quadrillion.

They milk the wars dry here. So now we're moving to, you know, I'm on board with that. We don't know where the money went. Even all this stuff that's popping up with you vote. What did they're just setting? I'm on board with that. We don't know where the money went. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oops. And even all this stuff that's popping up with you, what if they're just setting, they've been setting the table on us. All this UFO stuff popping out like crazy. More and more people are starting to go like, I knew it.

I knew there was aliens. And the next thing you know, we're going to war. Yeah. Yeah. We now need to protect ourselves. Yes. Trillions of dollars to a force field. It's fucking coming, you guys. I'm going to be so mad. I'll field Fucking coming you guys I'll be so

You said force field I kind of like was like I mean finally our tax dollars are going to cool shit That's gonna get you guys right there. You know say give me a lightsaber and I'm in do you know Can you pull up the Star Force uniforms? Have you seen the uniforms? No. Are they real? They have? I think they have. The Space Force? Hey, whatever happened to the spoof

that was made that show? Oh, it's the tanks. It sucks. It didn't do well, huh? Such a good idea. Great actors, great idea, terrible execution. Yeah. It could have been good.

Pull up a picture of the Space Force uniforms. Let's see what they look like. Are they ridiculous? No, they look, I think they look all right. Do they? Yeah, it kind of looks cool. It doesn't look very empire, very empire. Yeah, a little too empire-esque. Oh my God. I expected them to

be shinier. You know what I mean? Like there should be a little bit more, more shininess. More Hugo Boss. That looks way too much like the... Oh yeah. Look at that. That does look actually. Looks very much so. Give me the Empire for Darth Vader's guys. It's almost like Star Trek Next Generation. What are they called?

What is it? What's the? With the buttons across on one side. What are Darth Vader's people called? The Empire? Is that what they're called? Yes. Yeah, yeah.

Let's see their uniforms. I'm pretty sure they look just like that. Stormtroopers? No, not Stormtroopers. That's the soldiers. What are all the generals? They're all wearing? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see their uniforms. I'm pretty sure they look just like that. Stormtroopers? No, not stormtroopers. That's the soldiers. What are all the generals? They're all wearing. Oh yeah, the generals. It looks like that. It looks just like that. Pretty much. Hey, there's a clip by the way, in Star Wars. I know you know this. I just saw this the other day where one of the stormtroopers hits his head.

Yeah, look how similar that is. They're just missing the black leather gloves and the silly hat. Bro, that looks... Did you pull a Nazi uniform or is that really what that is? Well, they were trying to model a bit of Nazi because it's obviously they were, you know, weaving that into the story. I mean, it looks pretty close to the new Star Wars. Oh, look at someone's already put them next to each other. Look at... Yeah. Down in the bottom left, look at some of that picture right there. Someone's already comparing this. Let's see. Click on that. That's great.

Oh, yeah. That's the girl we just saw. Oh, yeah. It's pretty close, man. Oh, man. I guess we're the Empire. Well, we knew that anyway. But doesn't it feel, I mean, god, that's going to be awful, man, if that's where all the money goes now.

And then they'll just do light shows in space, make us think that something's happening. We're just there, guys. Oh, man. We've got to raise your taxes. Of course. Drop a few UFOs in people's backyards. We're shooting each other.

It's coming. I've got to change subjects. Doug, I want to ask you, you have not tried Organifi Sleep yet. I have not. But I saw you grab some. Yeah. In the back. Okay, you're gonna love it. They have a great sleep product that it's got some botanicals in there that have been shown to improve REM sleep, so that REM stage sleep, and help you fall asleep faster. Organifi does a good job. Any else? Cameramill? Pull it up, Doug, so that REM stage sleep, and help you fall asleep faster. It's a good product, Organifi does a good job. Anything else?

Camomile and the other patients. Pull it up, Doug, so we can read all the ingredients. I do camomile tea all the time. Are you doing camomile often? All the time, I love it, especially right now in the wintertime. I'm not a big fan of summer. So the ingredients are valerian root, holy basil,

skull cap, passion flower, and lavender. There you go. All of those proven to improve sleep. Is it like a tea? Is it a drink? Yeah, it's a mix. It's like a little powder. If you put it in warm almond milk, that's a good mix right there. So with these sleep formulas, I always look for ones without melatonin.

That one does not have melatonin. No melatonin. That's why I like it. So melatonin is effective, but it can suppress your body's own production without melatonin. That one does not have melatonin. No melatonin. That's why I like it. So melatonin's effective, but it can suppress your body's own production of melatonin. And melatonin's a hormone. I mean, it's not a dangerous one necessarily, but it is a hormone that you can take. So that, hormone free.

Sweet. That's what they should have put on the bag. Hormone free, organifi-sleep. You know, I had some notes to show you. You guys remember we were talking a lot there for a while on the, um, streaming wars and, uh, you, are you guys, you guys are aware like, you know, Amazon prime, some of these streaming platforms now been buying NBA games and

NFL games and like they're moving that way. You see what Netflix did? What? I thought this was a pretty, pretty powerful move. I'd like to see if Doug can find some articles on it. Cause I'm curious too. Wrestling. Yes. Oh yes.

Monday night raw. That's right. And because I'm curious too. Wrestling? Yes. Oh. Yes. Monday Night Raw they brought. That's right. And so they've been live. So Netflix is moving into live TV also. Oh, wow. And that's the move right now. Obviously, they still have streaming. But if you want to watch your, I thought it was a show at first.

It popped up. And I told Katrina, I'm like, oh, interesting they have a show. She's like, no, I think it's actually wrestling, wrestling. And I'm like, what, live? And she's like no I think it's actually wrestling wrestling and I'm like what live and I'm sure shit it's live and you look at I mean pretty brilliant considering you know we think football basketball baseball all these great sports but there's a hell of a lot of people huge watching wrestling watching wrestling I think they have the biggest audience they do they do They do. And so I've been watching the

streaming wars happen and been giving so much credit to, you know, YouTube, Prime, all these companies that have been buying rights to the NFL and NBA for these certain games. But Netflix goes and gets WWE rights. I mean, that's pretty brilliant. That's huge. Have you seen the articles, Doug, on the deal? Like what kind of deal it was dollar-wise and if they've already got some staff? I think it's cool. I have respect for it. I love real wrestling, man.

I watch Greco, Collegiate. How dare you say that WWE's not real wrestling. I know it's real in the sense that it's pro wrestling. Yeah, $5 billion for the next 10 years. Five billion? Wow. Wow. Times 100 and you can get yourself

an AI Stargate investment. Is that how much money that is? Actually, Elon Musk is pouring some cold water on that. What is he saying? He's saying those people behind it don't have the money. Don't have the money? What are you guys talking about? The Stargate, the AI.

Stargate, the AI, the half-billion dollar AI. Hey, did you, was there, hold on, was there a rumor that, because they were gonna say TikTok will keep it in in the US so long as 50% of it's owned by the US? Was there, I think Trump said something like, I'll be okay with Elon buying. Was that real?

I saw that too. I heard it. I don't know if it's true. I saw, I read too that Mr. Beast was even trying to put a bid in to purchase. To buy TikTok? I mean, even I wouldn't be a fan of that. That's too much power at that Mr. Beast was even trying to put a bid in to purchase. To buy TikTok? I mean, even I wouldn't be a fan of that. That's too much power at that point.

For Elon? Yeah. I know. No, he doesn't mean, what's that word here? And then he takes over all the cell phone controls too on top of that when he does, when he gets his... So once Neuralink comes out, we're all just immediately like uploading the platforms. So that's the other rumor that I've heard is that it's only a matter of time before like ATT, Sprint and all them are done.

Like he's going to be able to connect everybody phone wise, internet wise. Destroy Carcass. Yes, like destroy all those companies. But again, like, whoa, talk about like a lot of power for one person to have. Nobody's buying your Xfinity name. Yeah. So Donald Trump opened Elon Musk or Larry Ellison buying TikTok. So it's just him probably saying it in conversation.

It's not really, I don't know. Yeah, I'm not a fan of that. Yeah, I don't know. Will they let that happen or is it- Bro, this is like the newspapers. Remember the newspapers? They were all like, just like, decentralized and all of a sudden, you know, over time,

like a couple people owned them all and they control the narrative. Don't do that. No, even though I'm an Elon Musk fan, I'm not a fan of him having that much power and control. No way. I don't trust anybody who would even want that much. That's not a good thing.

No. That you want all that stuff, like why? What are you gonna do with it? No, exactly. Absolute power always corrupts. What does a good probiotic do for you? What it can help support your gut barrier, improve your skin health, heart health,

improve the way you absorb micronutrients. There's a company called Seed that makes the world's best probiotic. Go check them out. Go to seed.com forward slash mind pump. Use the code 25MINDPUMP to get 25% off. All right, back to the show. First question is from Don't Worry. It's just Courtney. First question is from Don't Worry, it's Just Courtney. Do you have any dietary tips for a couple with opposite goals? For example, one is wanting the bulk and the other, lean out.

What are some of the best strategies to help both individuals meet their goals? Okay, now truth be told with this. You can eat off your plate. Truth be told with this, okay, the best way, first of all, to bulk is with whole natural foods. The same thing is true for leaning out.

I mean, honestly. Just portion control. Everything else could be exactly the same. One person eats less. That's right. This could be exactly, I mean, Katrina and I are like this. Although we don't work out all the time together, but we've gone through stretches where we're working out

in the gym at the same time, you could both literally follow the same MAPS program. You could both literally eat the same dinners, lunches, and breakfasts, just one of you is a smaller portion. And actually that's a good strategy. I mean that way it's easy, right? I mean when she preps her meals and my meal we cook, I just, so I do eight to 10 ounces of meat and I get like a cup or a cup and a half of rice. She's doing a half a cup of rice. She's doing six ounces of meat, but we're eating the exact same food.

She just, her portion control is half of what mine is. Where this gets challenging is if one person is eating crab and the other person's training healthy. Yeah, that's different. But if you're both doing this as an effort, and you want to bulk, not just gain a bunch of weight, the person's trying to lean, it's the same food. It's the same food, you just manipulate the portions, and if the person leaning out, if their calories are getting really low, you just, then you cut the carbs on top of it. But other than that.

And the advice for someone, the person who's trying to bulk, I mean, this is where like, because there's been times again, where I'm like on aggressive bulk, she's on aggressive cut. So we're on totally into the spectrum. So guess what? I get to at eight o'clock after dinner, I go eat another bowl of magic spoon, or I go eat something else in addition to what we ate also. So not only am I portions bigger, but I can still afford to have another five, 700 calories. And so I go enjoy something at the end of the night on top of it. And so, and then she just has to discipline herself

and not eat that extra meal. But I know this is, people overcomplicate this. Where it only plays it's difficult is when one person is not bought in. not eat that extra meal, but I know this is people over complicate this where it only place it's difficult is when one person is not bought in. Yeah, that's that's really really tough. Otherwise this is an easy solution. Next question is from honestly Hayley. How do I get my husband to be more adamant about taking care of his body? For example, being more active and eating more protein and veggies without him rebelling.

We want a baby and I'm trying to make him realize his health is important too. This is difficult, see? So this is, the couple before is fine, this is hard. This gets hard. You know, the best strategy that I've ever seen in my entire career is to be the example and invite them, invite them to do the things that you're doing.

Hey, would you like to go on a hike with me so we can spend some time together? Hey, I'm going to the gym, you wanna come with me and work out together? Hey, I'm cooking dinner, this is what I'm making for us. Invite them each time, this leads to the highest probability

that they're going to improve their lifestyle. Now here's what doesn't work, beating someone down. Beating someone down or nagging them or telling them, you know, you need to do this, you need to do that, because that makes someone feel terrible, not good. By the way, this is extremely ineffective, especially for men. I'm gonna say this right now.

Especially for men. Like, one of the best ways to influence a man is to simply be the example and invite and then and not saying it's gonna work by the way I'm not saying it's gonna work 100% of time but it's the best chances. A lot of if a lot of men are avoidant and if you just hammer them they're just going to agree and actually not do it or they're just gonna be avoiding it the entire time. Have you guys ever seen Major League? Yeah, of course.

The movie? Yeah. I remember when they had the owner, and then it was like an incentive base once they started playing well. Oh, the like, pick a strip. Pick a strip. Yeah.

I'm telling you, incentive basing. I was gonna say put a shirtless picture of Sal in your refrigerator. Oh, yeah, all right. See if he gets his shit together. Well there, it'll totally work. No, this is, I always like to use the analogy with somebody who's trying to get somebody to go to church or religion or something like that too is the same thing.

It's like telling them what they need to do, what they should do, never is going to get that person to come over to your side. Fitness is the same way. I don't even you say invite. I don't even say say anything I think you you there's it's so difficult to already live a super clean healthy consistent life already so all of your energy should be put in that direction and Hopefully you married the right person that sees you continue to improve your life and sees what that lifestyle is bringing you from energy to your physique, to your energy levels,

to your, all these things, and that attracts him to want to go down the same path. Because telling him, and even I don't even know of inviting him is even necessary. Well, inviting is just, it's not like, hey, you need to work out. But it can come off that way. It can.

That's why you have to be careful. You know, saying like, you're getting ready to go to the gym. You're like, hey, do you want to go to the gym with me? You're like, no, you know I don't want to go to the gym with you right now. I'm watching the game. You know what I'm saying? It's like, why waste your time?

You can do that. Just do you and be consistent with you and eat the way. And hopefully, like, hopefully. It's just the most powerful way to influence someone. It is, it just is. It's just, but through, through action. And I've seen it work. I've seen this work.

I've had many, many clients who hired me and I trained them and I trained them for two or three years. And then they brought their spouse. And then their spouse started working out. But it took a couple years. I just, I just think too, it is so hard already for all of us individually to live and be that example that most of your energy should be spent on that.

Other than, because it'll look hypocritical when you are trying to do that, tell them, show them, yet you're already inconsistent with your own health and fitness journey. So it's like, put all your energy in that that and then hopefully it attracts that person on it. And then if you don't, I mean this is, I don't know, this to me was part of the list of like the the must-haves for a partner. Like if I'm going to do life with someone they got to care about health and fitness at least somewhat as much as I do. They don't have to be in the space and wanna be a fitness fanatic,

but they gotta care about their health. And so, because- Yeah, but she's already here. She's already married to him, you know? So, you know, you're married, you're together. You support, you can encourage, and then you could just lead the example. And that's your best bet,

is to be the example, the influence. Like, if you're around somebody that's healthy, and they're not harping on you, they're not hammering on you, they're very graceful, and you just notice, man, they got good energy. Man, they really seem happier. They look healthy. That invites them into wanting to maybe do what you do.

But if they're pushing you all the time, that'll actually make it happen.'ll actually make it take longer. No, it'll never happen that way. What you're hoping to have happen, because you exude health and fitness so much, he starts to ask questions. Man, why are you so full of energy today? Wow, man, I got a great night's sleep last night,

I prioritized my breakfast, I feel great like this when I make sure that I hit my protein intake and I get a good lift in. Oh my God, let him see it and then hopefully he asked questions because you exude it and then you have the opportunity To say oh, it's because of this and it's because of that It's like you want me to make your meals or do you want to go to the gym tomorrow and see how you feel? Like then that I mean to me that's the the invite happens when they ask questions, right? When you've done enough to exude that lifestyle, that they're curious about something, and until then, I always feel like I can do better than.

If I'm not living enough of that life that they're asking me questions, then I can be better. I'm going to be better. And so put my energy there until I do. Next question is from Sean Glade. How do you deal with a client whom you genuinely can't stand to be around, but you can't cut them off because you're trying to build a schedule?

Okay, so it's fine having boundaries, right? You don't want a client that's gonna treat you like crap or be super rude to you or whatever, but here's the deal. Like, you're a trainer, okay? You have to learn how to be around a lot of different people. In my career, training. It'll build character.

That's right, look, my entire career of training trainers, training clients, two decades plus, rarely, rarely, rarely is the client the problem. Usually it's the trainer. I can't stand them, why? Will they talk about things I'm not interested in or they're too quiet or that's not their, that's you. You need to be the chameleon and you need to figure,

especially if you're trying to build a schedule, figure out, change yourself and figure out how you can be around them. Find ways to make it something that you wanna do. You're helping them, maybe that's what you're excited about, the fact that you're actually helping them. Oftentimes it's the trainer, not the client. Now of course you should have boundaries,

like don't allow people to treat you a particular way, cuss at you, whatever, but usually that's not the case. Usually it's just you just don't like them. Okay, so what, you're trying to build your schedule, be a damn good trainer, you're trying to help them become healthier. Yeah, I experienced this quite a bit. I did, I did.

Like a lot of people I've tried. Because I work with people. They're sitting next to me right now. But I reframed this. I totally reframed this. And I actually embraced it. And I like to take clients like this because I thought it stretched my capacity

and challenged me. And I made it stretched my capacity and challenged me. And I made it a competitive thing inside of me. It's like, man, how can I get this client to like me? Or how do I get on the same page as them? And there's got to be some common ground or something we can share interest in. And so I was always on this mission of trying to figure that out.

And it just made me a better trainer. And I think the better you get at this, this skill will definitely pay off in the long run. What you don't wanna do is, just because this person has different political views, religious views, you know, on life, whatever, you put a wall up yourself, and then you guys have this awkward training session

that you dread every single day. Instead, like, and I had this client, let me tell you, I've had plenty of these clients. In fact, my longest standing best paying client I was just baffled by what is it about this girl that we just can't, yet she kept paying for me, right? So I knew that I was going to be paying for her. I knew that I was going to be paying for her. I knew that I was going to be paying for her. I knew that I was going to be paying for her. I knew that I was going to be paying for her.

I knew that I was going to be paying for her. I knew that I was going to be paying for her. I knew that I was going to be paying for her. I knew that I was going to be paying for her. I knew that I was going to be paying for her. I knew And I was just baffled by what is it about this girl that we just can't, yet she kept paying for me, right? So I knew something was going on there too, right? Like the fact that she kept renewing with me,

she wanted the training, stuff like that, but we just, we couldn't have been more opposite on all of our views on life, but it made me better. And I think deep down, she actually really liked me. She was just a bitter, angry, hateful person. And so I was this thing, this client or this trainer that she liked to take it out on her a rough day all day. It was me.

But I again, it was a challenge. It was hard. It wasn't easy. How could I make her like me? How could I make her smile? How could I make her laugh? Like, I mean, it was something that made me a better trainer because I felt like, man, if I could, if I could get her to have a good

workout and smile and like me and continue with me, then there's nobody who I can't, I can't sit in the same room. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of the same ethos, the same mentality I had. It was like, there's something here. There's something here I need to learn. And a lot of times it was like the people that didn't, you know, we didn't get along with typically it was, it was people that like really I had to learn how to ask them more questions,

having to talk about themselves more. Yep. And so really it was removing myself, uh, from that equation and being like, well, I, you know, I come coming in all excited with all these things I want to talk about. And like, I'm I come coming in all excited with all these things I want to talk about. And like, I'm trying to direct the conversation and do all this. And then it just got, we'd get hijacked and they'd find that opportunity to say something that just like deflated all my sales. I'm like, no, I'm not giving you that anymore. And so just ask them all these questions about everything going on in their life, like just

constant barrage of questions and keep them their mouth busy. And then it was just fine. It's gonna make you a good trainer if you can work through this. And at one point you will get to a place where you have all the control. And that's a great, but part of getting to that place

is being able to handle these types of clients. If you run from these clients or you fire these clients or you have a bad attitude about these clients on time, you're gonna have a really hard time getting to a place where your schedule is so loaded you can pick and choose your clients. One day you'll get there. Here's how I used to look at it you know if you've ever had if you've ever taken care of somebody that's really sick if you guys ever had to take care of someone a family member that's really

sick or terminal they're often mean yes they're often they're mean. They're often angry at you. Nurses deal with this all the time. Doctors deal with this all the time. Care workers deal with this all the time. And now why do they keep doing it? Because they want to help the person. They care about them. They want to help them.

And so it rolls off their shoulders. That's how I viewed this. When I had a client that was just someone I didn't want to be around, they're a little bit snarky or just kind of, oh, bad know, bad attitude, bad mood. Now I have my boundaries, you're not gonna call me names, you're not gonna disrespect me, but you're just rude, you're just kind of snarky, you're just whatever,

you're not likable. I'm here to help you, and it's a puzzle. It's a puzzle that I'm trying to figure out, and my goal is to get you to become healthier and happier, and I'm gonna tell you something right now. I, this was some of my favorite success stories. I mean, there were, there was one gentleman My goal is to get you to become healthier and happier. And I'm gonna tell you something right now. This was some of my favorite success stories. I mean, there was one gentleman I can think of right now.

He would come in, he was an asshole. He was an asshole every time he came in and I would try and make him laugh and I'd try and tell him a joke and I'd train him. And after three years of training this person, I talked to some of his coworkers. I don't wanna say too much because he probably listens. His coworkers came in and said,

hey, what have you been doing with so and so? I'm like, what do you mean? They're like, man, he's like telling jokes, and he's happier, or whatever. I'm like, really? Like, yeah, you've really changed him. And I was like, man, I felt so good. But I almost couldn't tell, because every time you come in,

he had this attitude. But that's the way I look at it. You also don't know, because this is what I found out later on about this client that I'm referring to also is how much of a light you were for that, that person in your life. And even though you thought they hated you or you thought they're such an asshole to me, they, they, they have this real bitter negative look on all of lives as a fence mechanism

and they're waiting for you to confirm what they believe. Everybody's a piece of shit. Nobody even feel safe They might even feel safe letting it out on you. That's right. And then they do that. And there's a part which I think is what I figured out with her is like that was her testing me forever to confirm that everybody is whatever, you know? But I'm not, I'm different.

And I stayed consistent and continue to be that person. And then later on I found out from other people that knew her and then be like, oh my God, Adam, she loved you. She would would do anything and it's like I never felt that you know I'm saying I didn't feel one there now the only thing that did confirm was like I remember I was like this It always blew my mind. She'd resign never never thought twice about it Yeah, hopefully she's not gonna resign this time just signed up again signed up again It's like god damn when she's late good not gonna resign with me

But you know because I felt that energy from her but but really, but that's because she was a bitter anger, and that's a good example of somebody who's on their deathbed, or you're having to take care of, they're having a lot of negative feelings. They're shitty, man. But part of probably why they show up to see you is because you're not, you're a light in their lives. And that's why I say, that's the trainer, man.

This is your job, this is what you signed up for. You're there to help people, and you're there to help people when it's hard, not when it's easy. That's a piece of cake Anybody can do that Next question is from us eb 10 3 16 Why doesn't mind pump ever recommend maps anabolic advanced? I've only heard you talk about or recommend anabolic Is it an inferior program in the grand scheme of maps programs to follow opposite of inferior?

It's but it's advanced. Yeah So the reason we talked to people on their journey of what they should start with. It's the opposite of inferior, but it's advanced. Yeah, so the reason why you- These are all we talk to people on their journey of what they should start with. That's right, so maps anabolic is more appropriate for most people. The other thing too is when we get callers that call in, we have a bit of a self-selection bias.

These are people who are struggling. They're probably, most of the time, or many times, they've been working out consistently for a while. They've overtrained, and they call in, they can't figure something out and so we recommend a program like Maps Anabolic because it's appropriate. If you have experience, you're healthy, you've been training for a little while, a year or two, and you don't have issues with recovery and you want to build like the most muscle and strength on your body, but especially muscle, it's the most effective math program we have

for just pure muscle gain. It's just, it's one of the top ones. It's just, if you're, it's just not as appropriate for everybody like MAPS Anabolic, the original one is. That's it. Yeah, I mean, that's just it. It has nothing to do, I mean, it's an incredible program. But.

It's one of our top selling, funny, they say this too, MAPS Anabolic Advanced is one of our top selling MAPS programs, precisely because people recommend it But it really does belong in the person who's who's doing a lot of the right things and it's the next program That's right. But when we get callers, these are people that are struggling They're having challenges and a lot of times it is over training under eating Doing too much of stuff and it's like or they're doing the old-school body parts split seven days a week or something like that And so maps anabolic is where we do recommend

most people start. So we just don't get a lot of questions that you hear on air that it makes sense. Oh yeah, maps anabolic is perfect for you because that person's like, would be the person who says like, I've been doing great, I've been gaining all this muscle, I did maps anabolic, I did performance, I did aesthetic.

What could I do next? Well, you could do maps anabolic for dance, that'd be great. And we kind of have like a core in terms of like what is the broadest stroke and what's gonna fit with most of the general public and audience in terms of our programs. And then there's ancillary programs around that that you can then get into more of the nitty gritty of it

and you can really expand upon that specific type of annotation you're trying to go for. So it's some of the programs, like they, they get lost in the fray because like a lot of times we just, we're just trying to send people to the start. Here's the, you need to go. You should own all the programs. But if you're, if you want, if you have experienced strength training, you've been doing it for a while, you're not over training right now.

And you want to like see how much muscle can I gain in 90 days. I want to maximize muscle gain. MAPS Anabolic Advance will do it. It'll put muscle on you in a hurry. But if you're over trained, don't go there. If you're over trained and you're over doing it now, then you go to MAPS Anabolic Advance and that'll give you the best results.

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