Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2524: Top 3 Signs You’re Losing Fat & NOT Muscle (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: February 1, 2025

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$300 off or more and if you're catching this podcast when it was released you still have a couple hours to take advantage. Go to mapsjanuary.com. Alright here comes the show. You lost weight on the scale. Great, right? Not so fast. You might have lost muscle. In fact, when you look at the studies on weight loss, usually people lose almost as much or as much muscle as body fat. What does that mean? That means you're smaller, same flabbiness version of yourself. You're weaker with a slower metabolism. All right, let's talk about the top three signs you can get that'll tell you that you're weaker, with a slower metabolism. All right, let's talk about the top three signs

you can get that'll tell you that you're burning fat, but not muscle. Yeah. This is interesting to talk about because I actually think this is really difficult for most people. Oh, very difficult. I mean, I get to determine for sure.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's even difficult for us, right? How many times, even when you were a trainer, did you assume you were a trainer did you Assume you were doing things the right way and you go and you retest body fat and the results come back Shitty, you know they come back so many times. Yeah, so I like your story the best you actually had You've told this before but I'd love you for you to retell it to kind of illustrate this, because you actually had your entire training staff do a competition. I was there. Yeah.

And this was like, this is a staff of experienced fitness professionals. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we used to, so I had a relationship with the guys who owned the fitness wave, which is a hydrostatic way, right? So one of the most accurate ways to test your body fat percentage and Everybody really I mean really liked it because of the accuracy of it It was they'd show up to the gym and we'd make appointments all day It came up with this idea one time just to create some some good energy around the staff staff of about 20 trainers at the time that I would we'd all put money in a pot and

We would do this challenge for I think three months, I think is what we did. And it was who could get the greatest change of percentage, right? So track where your body fat percentage is, who could get the greatest change, get the best results. Was there a prize by the way with this?

The money. We'd all put a couple hundred dollars in it. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, so everybody put money into the pot. Oh wow. And then there was, and then of course, more than anything else was bragging rights, right? We're all trainers, so it's like who's the best at this.

Oh, you got a bunch of trainers competing at some. Yeah. And man, it lit a fire under my staff. I mean, my staff was, everybody was on it, and showing up, work multiple times to do cardio. You come in on a Saturday night randomly, I'd come in and check something in my office and there'd be a trainer on a stair master.

There was trainers doing burpees in the sauna. I mean, it was just, it was on, right? Everybody was super competitive about it and we go and we get our results after a few months. And the amount of trainers that were so furious and this doesn't work, it's inaccurate, this is not true, because so many of us had lost weight, lost 10, 15 pounds or whatever like that during that time,

but lost as much muscle as we lost body fat and that couldn't be possible. My diet was dialed, I was eating perfectly clean and I was doing all the stuff. But I mean, it was such a great example of even all these educated, experienced trainers at the highest level making this mistake. And that mistake was, you know, and this to me

was really when I started to piece this together. Like at this point, I was the same thing, similar thing had happened to me. And I started to realize what a fine line it was to be in a caloric deficit consistently and to over apply intensity, i.e. cardio, and what ends up happening. And so, and how frustrating that can be. And at the highest level of these guys and girls that, you know, understand nutrition and they were getting protein, they were taking their shakes and bars and supplements and everything they were supposed to do,

yet when the results came in, they had ended up losing as much muscle as they had lost body fat, and so their percentages would stay the same. Some even went up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember something went up. For people to understand this, body fat percentage is what matters.

Not total body fat on your body. If you had to pick one or the other, it's body fat percentage. 20 pounds of body fat on a 200 pound man is 10% body fat. 20 pounds of body fat on a 100 pound man, and I'm using extremes here just to illustrate this, is 20% body fat. It's very different. 20% body fat on a guy is overweight. 10% is you got a six pack, right? So it's about the percentage. So if you lost 15 pounds on the scale, five of it was fat, 10 of it was muscle, you're 15 pounds lighter and you're fatter. You're actually fatter. You look fatter, you're weaker, and you're less healthy. And this is not uncommon.

This is actually very common. So it's important to understand, aside from body fat testing, because body fat testing, that's the gold standard, right? Get a body fat test, do it week over week, either calipers or if you have access to underwater weighing or something relatively consistent, where you can kind of see the trend, that's the gold standard. But what if you don you have access to underwater weighing or something at, you know, relatively consistent, uh, where you can kind of see the trend. That's the gold standard. But what if you don't have access to that? Like, what are the signs that, well, the scales going down, uh, feels

like I'm doing things right, but how do I know it's body fat and not muscle? I think the first most important sign is this, you're as strong as you were before, or you're stronger I think if you lose weight on the scale and you're lifting more weight or you're lifting the same weight that you did before same Intensity you feel good The odds that you lost muscle are slim Especially if you got stronger like if you lost 10 pounds or 15 pounds and you're squatting more you're dead lifting more you're pressing more I pounds and you're squatting more, you're deadlifting more, you're pressing more, I would bet all my money that you didn't lose any muscle. It's very likely you

kept your muscle or built muscle through that process. That's why I like strength as a metric because it's objective. Now of course you could get stronger through better technique and central nervous system adaptation but it's hard to do that and lose muscle at the same time. So with my clients, this was my number one gauge. As we're starting to get leaner and I'm tracking the weight that they're lifting, if I see their weight going up at the same time, I'm like, we are in an amazing place. We are crushing right now because what you're losing on the scale is very, very, very likely to be just body fat and it looks like we may actually be gaining muscle at the same time.

Yeah, this would probably be the greatest sign. Also rare though too, I feel like. Just because most people in a calorie deficit that are leaning out tend to lose a little bit of strength. So if you're able to maintain strength and or possibly gain strength, you're almost certainly just losing body fat and or holding muscle or maybe even building muscle because newbie gains or maybe like my recent scenario where I'd fallen off the wagon came back muscle memory.

And so, you know, it is possible. It's definitely possible to do that. I think it's definitely probably the best sign if you can get that. But I would also be totally discouraged if you lose a little bit of strength. If it's possible, you could lose some strength and still be doing a really good job. That's why the second one to me was always my gauge, which is watching my waistline come in, but then the rest of my muscles feel like they're still there if that makes sense. I feel like losing inches on the waist, but then the rest of my muscles feel like they're still there. If that makes sense. I feel like losing inches on the waist, but keeping arms and chest and shoulder size,

like, you know, to keep your muscle size, visibly I can see that, oh, okay, my shoulders, my chest, my arms, they look good, they look like they're built, but then seeing my waist shrink in, like that to me was always like, okay, I'm in a really good spot right there. Well, to the earlier one, I would think too, like it's probably rare to see your strength go up with lifting weights, but if you actually see yourself getting stronger in terms of body weight exercises,

that would make a lot of sense. And you'd see that pretty easily doing pull-ups and dips, and I always noticed that. But like actually increasing strength, because again, you're preserving strength, but now you're losing weight overall, so that would matter. Your reps are going up.

Yeah, reps are going up. Yeah, strength and weight ratio is more important if you're advanced. So if you've been lifting for a while, and then you go into calorie deficit, it's normal to lose strength. If you're a beginner, so our clients, when we would start training clients early on, they'd all get stronger as they got leaner right out the gates because they

got those kind of- Good gains. Yes. If you're experienced, this is very, like for me, if I were to try and get- Yeah, it's very difficult. Super shredded, I'm going to get weaker because I'm always pushing the max. But what I would look at then, a strength to weight ratio, if I lost 20 pounds of body fat, or 20 pounds I should say on the scale, but my squat only goes down 10 pounds, I'm doing pretty damn good.

My strength to weight ratio actually went up. Now for the waist one, I like the waist to do waist circumference measurements because this is a place where you don't tend to gain a lot of muscle. Like even if you develop your abs and your obliques, you're not gonna gain inches of muscle around your waist. Those muscles don't hypertrophy in that way.

So if you lose weight on the scale and you're losing a lot of inches, you're probably losing mostly body fat. The only time this may happen and not lose body fat is if your digestion improves, if you're less bloated. So this would be a little trickier, in my opinion, with female clients. With male clients though,

I actually preferred waist circumference measurements over any other measurement to measure their progress of fat loss. Because with men, it's like, your waist's gonna get smaller. If your waist is going down, along with the scale, we're burning body fat. But if you lost 15 pounds

and you only lose an inch on your waist, okay, we should probably lost more inches around your waist, you know, what's going on. So in fact, there's data that shows that you could relatively accurately predict body fat percentage in men with just the waist circumference. Now the next one, this one is I think more important for women to understand because what I'm about to say tends to confuse women when they're working out in

the gym. So if you're doing things right, if you're strength training and you're getting leaner and you're losing body fat, you're not losing muscle or maybe you're gaining muscle at the same time, this tends to either freak women out or confuse them or derail them because they'll get they're a little lighter, they're leaner, but my butt feels bigger, my back feels bigger, my pants feel bigger. What is going on here? Am I gaining body fat? I don't like the fact that would have female clients sometimes tell me they won't stop strength training because they feel like

they're they're getting too big. No, No, that's your butt, your muscles, those muscles will grow, will change the shape of your body and women's clothing in particular is not designed for women with any kind of muscle, not just, you don't have to look like a body but you just have any muscle whatsoever and suddenly your traditional jeans or whatever feel like they're tight around the glutes

and your shirts will feel tighter around the back. Oh, this would spin clients out. Yes. traditional jeans or whatever feel like they're tight around the glutes and your shirts will feel tighter around the back. This would spin clients out just like anytime focused on the scale for what's happening. The way that they're close fit, it is gonna inevitably change and you're gonna go through this bit of a metamorphosis in terms of where you're gonna gain that bit of muscle which is gonna push and shape the jeans jeans are gonna have to kind of Taper and alter to that. So it's like you're gonna have to end up Going shopping. I mean that's the day like that's what's gonna have to happen

I feel like the it's really the combo of all three of these and what I'm kind of looking at totally right like I Know that I'm probably gonna lose a little bit of strength But I want to be able to maintain as much as I possibly can. Because I know that if I maintain as much as I possibly can, there's a good chance I'm hanging on to most of my muscle. I definitely want to see my waist come in. But then when I think about my muscles, my glutes, legs, arms, I want to see them maybe even gaining in size or circums, or at least looking really good and defined. And so I'm kind of using all three of those combined to let me know like, and this is assuming I don't have the tools or I'm

not, I'm like between body fat measurements, right? Like say I'm measuring body fat every month, but I'm kind of paying attention to these things between those times. And I'm kind of watching all those and that's what I want see. I wanna see waist shrinking, but I wanna see defined and muscular still. I wanna be able to hang on to as much strength as I possibly can. And these are all ways to kind of make sure I'm heading down the right path.

And any of them swinging way out is the cause for, okay, wait, let me dive in a little bit to what I'm doing. Am I under consuming? Am I doing little bit to what I'm doing. Am I under-consuming? Am I doing too much? Am I not doing enough? Like, watching all three though, together to me is like the best barometer on how well I'm progressing or not. Totally, because the scale is by itself is a terrible metric for a lot of people, especially if you're strength training simultaneously. Speaking of shrinking waist, you know what is coming back in fashion or, or

to say it better is now becoming a trend again in the gyms. I thought we killed this. I thought we killed the stupid trend when we started the podcast, but it seems to be making a comeback. Uh, our editor, Danny informed me and I'm also seeing it in the gyms. Wearing weight belts. Waste trainers. Oh, waste.

Squeams. Did they ever die? They, for. Oh, waste trainers. Squeams. Oh, God. Did they ever die? They, for a while, for a little while there. You really need it for a minute. I think if you were wearing one, people would be like, oh, you shouldn't be wearing that. But you're seeing them more now. And Danny's like, oh, yeah, I'm seeing this a lot in the female fitness space start to

become a thing. Because I feel like we came out so strong about that that you and shamed everybody That it but it was still going on but you just you weren't talking about like there was almost there was a point when I was First competing early on right early MP days You know, there was men's physique guys showing off their screams Taking pictures of the mayor wearing their screams, you know as if it was like a badge of honor or something So I definitely think we've moved from that, right? We definitely, I think we've shamed them enough

to know that you definitely shouldn't be bragging about it if you're doing it. You shouldn't be doing it at all. So I think it kinda like, I don't know, suppressed it a little bit, but it seems like it's always been there to me. I feel like people still be doing that shit, dude. So for people who don't know what they are,

so waist trainers or squeams as they're known, is essentially, it's a wide corset looking kind of weight belt like thing that you wear on your waist. And what they'll say is if you wear this for hours at a time, I think people wear them like eight or 10 hours a day. All day, all day. Yeah, all day.

It will shrink your waist. Now, what's happening when you wear these, by the way, is it's no different than me wearing a cast around my arm. So if I wore a cast around my arm, it's gonna get smaller because I'm gonna atrophy the muscle. I'm losing muscle. And so what these are doing is they're causing people

to lose muscle around their core. So their spinal erector muscles, their obliques, internal, external, their abs. So they're killing their support system for their back. They're also losing functionality, not just from the muscles shrinking, but also because they're being supported. So your body learns how to use this support and stop supporting itself on one of the most vulnerable places in your body, which is your low back. Also, if you are in fitness and you're doing anything to make yourself purposely lose function and strength and muscle, it's so antithesis

to what we do. It's so frustrating and annoying. I can't believe it. But don't make your muscles around your core atrophy. What are you doing? And what are you going to lose? An inch and then become weaker and your injury risk go up. I know a young lady who got a- Is it a blockage, right? She got an adhesion in her lower intestine because she

wore it so tight that she had to get surgery and have some of her- It's actually more common than you would think. That happened. I knew several bikini athletes that happened too. Really? Yeah. That's dangerous.

Yeah, no kidding. That's an actual emergency. I mean, it's up there with some of the stupidest things that we do in our space. It's definitely up there. I mean, we've done a lot of dumb things, right? I mean, guys chewing with dynamite and stuff like that to lose fun.

Oh no, there's no way. Hold on, you gotta give some clarity to people. What are no, no. There's no real. Hold on. We do some other dumb shit. You gotta give some clarity to people. Like what are you talking about? There's a fat burning compound that's used in the making of dynamite that bodybuilders found, sped up their metabolism so they're taking it. Oh my God.

Yeah. What's it called again? I forgot what it was called. Oh God, what is that called? It was popular. I mean, I think it's still a thing. Dude, I know a guy, we did an episode Crazy.

years ago about that, and a guy approached me at the gym, and he's like, dude, I think it's still a thing dude. I know a guy we did an episode crazy years ago about that And a guy approached me at the gym. He's like dude. I tried that I'm like, what was it like? He goes you take it then you sit in your room It's like an inferno right you sweat and you have a terrible fever and you sweat yellow And yeah, he's like you feel like you're gonna melt you internally. Yes, it's called. What's it called? like you feel like you're gonna melt you internally. Yes, dude. It's called, what's it called Doug? Didn't it, trofinal?

Yeah, DMP. Oh, DMP. DMP. DMP was what people, yeah. Right, now somebody listen to this. Wow. Don't do that stuff. No.

Yeah, no, I mean we're notorious for, we as in the fitness nuts, right? Like are notorious for doing really ridiculous stuff in the pursuit of looking a certain way. But the whole like wearing the waist trainer, and then I see people not working out on them. And it's so, it's like atrophying and weakening any part of your body isn't a good idea

because you're going to, well it's just obvious, it's obvious I think, I don't think I need to explain it. But especially your lumbar spine area. Well this is why I've always. I know. You're gonna slip a disc or you're gonna really potentially cause it so you can never work out again. Yeah, this is why I've always... I know. You're gonna slip a disc or you're gonna really potentially cause it so you can never work out again. Yeah, this is why I've always made the argument and I know there's people that are real athletes that get offended by calling bodybuilders and bikini people athletes, but this is why...

That's one reason they're there. This is why though I say they are and And I say it because it's a sport. And sports aren't healthy for the body. And yet we still highlight women's bikini, men's physique, bodybuilders as health people. And they're just not. They're way not. They're more like an athlete who's willing to do whatever it takes to win at their sport or get the competitive rules are together?

Whatever it whatever it is to get the competitive edge regardless if it shaves years off their life or isn't healthy for them It doesn't matter when it all costs and so for that reason I think it is a lot like sports and it's definitely more like sports than it is like health but we we put these people on a pedestal as if they're great examples of health and they really they really aren't and they shouldn't be um and I and I don't know if it's we put them on there that much or they present themselves like they are it's a good point I mean it's as stupid as putting a helmet on slamming it into somebody else's head and thinking that yours can be okay.

Like doing that, obviously you're not going to be okay. You're setting yourself up for long-term damage. But it's the perception in the public is the one thing that we have to address because they do, they are propped up like they're these examples of health and that you know we're putting them on magazines and we're you know idolizing their process of getting to a point where their body looks so symmetrically put together. It's funny because in the kind of a couple hundred years ago, 150 years ago, 100 years ago women wore corsets and they had special couches that they made for women that were I don't know what they call them fainting couches that they made for women that were,

I don't know what they call them, fainting couches. So like the, like you watch old cartoons and you'd see women, ah, and they'd faint. They actually used to faint because they wore corsets that were so tight. Cause they couldn't breathe. That's right. And so it was a thing that women would faint from these things that they would wear.

A little low glycemic. Yeah. Yeah. And I think they even, they lined them with like, what they lined them with, like a whale bone or something like that. Yeah. To make them super, super stiff. You know, since you guys brought up,

we're talking about fashion, it's so funny that you went this direction because I actually had some of my notes to bring up that is along this line. I thought, I have no idea where this is gonna fit in the conversation. Well, here you go. Perfect spot.

Way to go. Thank you for the welcome the layup there So have you guys heard of look up this for the guys Doug? Slaviks fashion Slaviks I believe I spelt that right And it's fashion by Balenciaga Yeah, they're the ones that got all the all the attention for all that crazy stuff that was going on with Kanye.

And points to like the demon ball. I just thought this was kind of crazy. Okay, so I know that this isn't like our thing, right? We don't talk fashion on this podcast, but Balenciaga is a really high end, like, you know. I remember that. Okay. really high in like, you know, uh, okay. So Slavic's fashion is like the, a huge line of Balenciaga that sells for ridiculous amounts of money.

And it was inspired, uh, by a homeless guy. And so there's full circle. So there is this, there is this homeless guy, Slavic, there he is right there. He's got an entire Instagram page built around him. And he, all this is obviously found out of a dumpster and just clothes that he's pieced together. Oh wow, so it's literally a picture of him and his homeless attire. And then what the models ended up wearing.

So they completely were inspired by the way he dressed every day. I hope they pay him. No. This poor dude is still homeless? No, he's disappeared. They can't find him. That's why, actually, I think the reason why the article came up was I think they haven't been able to find him for a long time.

But if Doug keeps scrolling down. Hey, thanks for inspiring us. Fashionable bum ever. Wow. Look at the pictures. Look at the one right there on the right. They're all from him? Doug, on the very right, in the middle there with the shirt open in the middle.

Look at that, dude. Is that wild or what? And so you've got these people paying ridiculous amount of money all inspired by a homeless guy who used to dig in the trash and put these outfits together and then they made all these lines. Isn't that wild? There's something unnerving about this right here. You know what I mean?

A little twisted. It's hella twisted. Like you see some super guy exploitive. And it is Zoolander all over again. For sure is Zoolander. I mean I almost feel like too, it's like whoever came up with this is like listen we could do this. We could totally just you know make a whole line and people are dumb enough to buy this. Do you guys remember there was an episode of Saved by the Bell where, because who was popular, the girl that was popular on there? Kelly.

It was Kelly. They were like, you can wear anything and everyone's going to wear it the next day. And she wore a pizza on her head. Oh yeah, yeah it is. And everybody started wearing pizza on their heads. Do you guys think that fashion really isn't about what looks good, it's really just about a bunch of really popular people that are like, we're going to make this. Oh I agree. We're going't about what looks good. It's really just about a bunch of really popular people that are like, we're gonna make this.

Oh, I agree. We're gonna make it a thing. I definitely, I mean, you guys probably don't pay attention to this either. Just a bunch of copycat followers. So the NBA, Doug can look this up too, because you guys will get a laugh. Look at NBA fashion, and you'll see.

So it's become very popular for all the cameras and everything to video the players as LeBron James You know shows up to you know the Memphis Grizzlies game and it's him showing up off the you know off the Bus or the plane or whatever with that and what they're wearing is turned into like a almost like a runway thing They make a big deal about it and every athletes always wear and the stuff that they be wearing is Look up Kyle Kuzma, look at his fashion. Go to, don't do an Instagram page like that,

come on, Doug. Go to Google, Kyle Kuzma. Images. Yeah, there you go, fashion. And you can see, look at that sweater he's wearing on the top left. Wow. This was an outfit last year.

He got on GQ for it, cut on GQ for that. Can you click it, Doug the top left. This was an outfit last year. He got you on GQ for it. Cut on GQ for that. Can you click it, Doug? Top left. If he wasn't a famous basketball player. That's a real outfit, bro. That's the most oversized sweater. That's what my two-year-old looked like the other day.

She put on my shirt. I mean, so it's every night, every night of the NBA, there's like these outfits that they come out in, and they are, it's like like who can wear the most ridiculous thing that people will bite off of and start wearing. That's funny. I don't know. I think it's like this inside joke. Yeah, they're probably having their own competition of like how absurd and ridiculous they look. I feel like if I was like crazy famous like this with my buddies, I'd be like, hey, dude, let's watch this. I'm gonna wear this shit for a while. Listen, we all were teenagers of the 90s. Shower caps. We were all teenagers of the 90s.

You guys remember Chris Cross, where they came out? And their style was, the people in remember this. Okay, here's a little bit different though. I think that time, and maybe this is just me being biased and defending my era, it was like a sign of rebellion like it was being rebellious with to wear your clothes backwards or to wear something baggy that was it was more of like a word it's not rebellious anymore there's nothing rebellious can't be like you because no one cares what you do anymore ridiculous yeah everybody's super

ridiculous now so like being normal is wild it's all it's always gonna be painted as rebellious fashion is always gonna be that way. But my point with Chris Cross was Here were some some key They were young hip-hop artists or little kids and they literally wore their pants and shirts backwards and it started a short trend Yeah for like a year my friends did it for like a year or two, we'd go to school and people were wearing overalls and jeans backwards. I really think, I almost feel like there's like these little puppet masters at the top and they just love to see how stupid everybody is. Hey, that's what we're going to do.

We're going to make everyone wear their stuff backwards. Yeah, they're trying to start a trend because then the trend gets them more traction, which then sells more albums and gets people to go to their concerts. So, I mean, it's to their benefit if they have, like, a full look on top of also selling, like, their music. So it's like a massive troll. Yeah.

Yes. That was a big part of the entertainment industry, was like trying to hack into that, like the psychology where kids would just, you know, buy into the whole thing. Yeah, I almost feel like they just do it just to say, hey, watch all these idiots. Watch all these idiots worship us.

We'll make them wear whatever we want. I do think it's something like that. I mean, and like I said, if we were at that place, right, and you're already filthy rich, all this attention, so that you got nothing better to do. You're like, you know, let's troll everybody. Let's see what we can wear and see whose thing will be more trendy and get

picked up on. So. But I'm always like astounded that, um, ever since like, so Jordan shoes, like they came out and it became a thing. And then ever since then shoes have sucked. Like it just had like a terrible, like way too wild, way too, like nothing was like classically designed. There's like a period that was like really like good looking Things that were like classic like normal and then it just got like so I'm wondering if it's gonna come back So I used to feel the same way to Justin

I don't know if that's true as much as what we see now worse We're so inundated with so much stuff now because let's some of the most popular shoes cycle the fashion listen are our chucks that's that's why my point is they stayed stance this these dance bills are some of the most popular shoes and those are tennis they're they're 1970s you know white you've seen me wear mine before that are just solid white shoes so like they're still very simple design super popular it's just I think there's so much. And you see the wild and crazy, and so it feels like it went all bad,

but there's still that lane that if you want that type of stuff, it still exists. There's a period of time where having a tan was not considered attractive at all. And I think it was the, I wanna say the 60s, late 50s. When some- The goth era? No, no, no, no.

Where some- Where it was all pasty. Where there was some- Well places like China and Japan, it's always been that way, right? Yes, yes, yes. It has been, yes. Yeah, that's, because you're somebody who works in the field

if you had a tan. Right, well even here, everywhere. Like you don't wanna have a tan. But there was a time period where- I miss that period. Cinema actors were going on vacation in the Mediterranean coming back doing movies. But there was a time period where cinema actors were going on vacation in the Mediterranean coming back doing movies.

So they had this tan and it became trendy. Now having a tan is like a good thing. People like to go get layout. Is that your theory on why it got popular? That is why. It is? Yeah, that is why. That's like proven, you know that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? In American cinema. Mm-hmm. Because I don't, obviously I don't remember. Well, tans were always, for us, don't remember well tans were always for us We oh we grew up where tans were looking good. It was I think in the 50s. I want to say When this started happening where you know people come back from vacations these celebrities yeah, and it became this like

You know this thing or what I was funny cuz that's like one of the big buttons that like kids would make fun of you like Oh, you you know you're a ghost you're like oh yeah that's what I'm saying I'm like it was never popular when I grew I definitely want I definitely want to give you a credit why you deserve it too you definitely won the fifth grade picture yeah dude first of all I can all kinds of crap I get get a terrible picture. I pull out my worst one. Wait a second, wait a second. I mean, I have, I still had a, I had a mullet, crooked teeth, and my hat halfway up my face.

You were adorable. You just had a little, you had a cute little chubby face. I mean, I was a good looking kid, you know what I'm saying? I was a good looking kid, you can't take that away from me. You said you were not, you were,

I was a good looking kid. I told you you were a cute kid. You looked normal. Justin looked totally, Justin was like, leave it to Bieber. You look like a normal fucking kid. Yeah, that's why I was, I hated it. I looked like Michael Jackson had a baby with IT tech support. Yeah

You definitely won you got the best you had the best comments Like I swear I gave that kid a dollar a day Respect for put you reached out to her first. Oh her first, she sent me a bunch of other ones. Of you? Yeah, I just, I don't even remember half of these pictures I'm looking at. I'm going, oh wow. So, but looking at all of them, I still think that one is the, I think I look the goofiest with my hat. I feel like I should have put my leprechaun one out there.

Please. I told you guys, like I was the only kid in school that had to go to school as a leprechaun on st. Patrick's and you have pictures that I have it so great oh that had to be around like fourth fifth grade that's not a good time to do that no no pull up the so in the 1920s I was a chanel return from that's what it was okay so that'd be stuff if you see that there's a good documentary on Coco Chanel I forget the Mediterranean. That's what it was. It was a 10. Okay, so that'd be stuff. Have you seen that? There's a good documentary on Coco Chanel. I forget what it was called. Mediterranean Cruise.

I had all of it right except for the date. Did you? Yeah, I did. I said they went on vacation in the Mediterranean. Coco Chanel. I did, you gotta listen to me sometimes. You're ADDs and everything. I have not seen the documentary, Adam.

You haven't? I have not. It was a good documentary. Maybe Dylan can look up what it's called Hey, you know as you're looking that up, though I want to find I want to bring something up because this whole GLP one Thing what which is it's still exploding, right? I think my earlier predict what I said

I'm gonna stand by I think about 60 to 70 percent of Americans are gonna be on one at some point but what's happening is you have a lot of people who 60 to 70% of Americans are gonna be on one at some point. But what's happening is you have a lot of people who really aren't good candidates for GLP-1s, but want help with fat loss. And so I'm getting all these questions. And they're like, well, I wanna lose 10 pounds, or I wanna drop 5% body fat.

So I'm gonna start on a GLP-1. I'm like, there's better peptides for you. For example, a GLP-1's good if you are very overweight and you've struggled for a long time and it's very, very challenging for you. For example, a GLP-1 is good if you are very overweight and you struggle for a long time and it's very very challenging for you and you combine it with a good approach, high protein diet. You don't have a good handle on your cravings. I think that I think it could be very helpful. You want to drop five percent body fat, lose ten pounds of body, you know ten pounds of body fat or whatever. Use the growth hormone releasing peptides. Tessameralin.

Tessameralin is probably my favorite one. And then on that note, people ask me about ibutamorin, which raises IGF-1 quite a bit. That one's really good, that's better for bulking. That's better for building muscle, because it raises appetite. Yeah, I love that one. Yeah, ibutamorin is a-

And it makes you sleep like a baby. Yeah, it mimics ghrelin and it raises growth hormone, right? GF1 the most, but your appetite will go up. A test of Maryland won't raise your appetite, but it raises growth hormone. Those are much more appropriate for people for fat loss when they're in that range. Oh, I don't drop, you know, go from 15% to 10% body fat or something like that. Those peptides can definitely make a difference with your current strategy because as your growth hormone goes up, you'll build a little muscle,

but mostly burn more body fat through the process. I'm glad you said that because I've seen quite a few people that only need to lose 10 or 15 pounds. Yeah, it's like don't go on a GOP1. Are using it for that. I think the best candidate is somebody who has 20 plus minimum, who has 20 plus minimum, okay, 20 plus pounds that they need to lose. They're also self-aware enough to know that they have,

they struggle with restricting from certain foods, they binge eat, you know what I'm saying? They have the late night snacking issues or the foods that they're addicted to and they're aware that they are and they've just had a hard time breaking that. Because to me that breaking that attachment and allowing it to create space from that addiction to that food to me is the biggest game changer for people that allows those

people to go in, do the work, create good habits later on. Then they, and it gives them that, I don't know, that breathing room to separate them from that crazy addiction, you know? And so, to me, those are the people who are like, oh, I put on a little weight from the holidays. Or whatever. Yeah, or I'll get lean for summer. Yeah, yeah, this is.

No, go on a growth hormone releasing peptide. That'll do it for you, that'll help you. The GOP one's too strong, there's no need for you to go on those for those kind of results.. By the way there's a lot of, I still have to bring this up every time because you can go online and there's a lot of quote-unquote research chemical companies that are selling these peptides through this gray market kind of loophole where it says not for human consumption, it's for research purposes only and so people are buying them and using those.

And I gotta warn you, you don't know what's in there. You don't know what's in there. If they're off, buy a little bit. You'll still get some results, but you don't know what else is happening in your body. And some of these have been tested and they've been contaminated or whatever. You don't know what you're putting in your body.

So go through, like our partners at mphormones.com, that is through FDA regulated pharmacy, doctor prescribed. It's not research chemicals, so you don't even know what it's coming from type of deal. Have you guys watched cable in a while, like just with commercials? Yeah, not since I was in hotel. Yeah, I was like just recently watching,

I think it was like Anchorman 2 or something, or something was on TV and we had to sit through the commercials and it was five if not six medical commercials for yeah for drugs 80% I was like 80% this is still happening do you think that we're gonna see any kind of change in that direction? I think so I hope so I mean we're one of I mean we're one of only a few countries that even allows that. Like most other countries don't even allow. No there's only one other one. For people wondering, so this was really made clear to me, RFK was on a podcast and broke this down and it makes perfect sense. Why would pharmaceutical companies advertise to people who can't buy the

drug? They have to still go through the doctor. What's the advertising for? And you think, well it's to ask your doctor about it. No, it's not. It's because they control 70 plus percent of the advertising revenue of these networks. That's why they put all these commercials on there. Because when you're a cable network and 70% of your revenue is coming from a pharmaceutical company, you're gonna be a little bit worried, or should I say wary,

who are you gonna get them? United States and New Zealand are the only two. Only two in the entire world that allows that. Dude, speaking of which, everybody else knows it's crooked. It's crooked. It's corrupt. Speaking of which, I wasn't sure about bringing this up.

This is just one study, so everybody relax, but it's a big study. Oh God, are you gonna bring up the one that Dave Asprey just talked about? No, well he shared it, and it's a large, this was just released. Did you dig into it a little bit? I did.

This was just released, so this is gonna be flying everybody, everywhere. This is the title of the article, Vaccination and Neurodevelopmental Disorders, A Study of Nine-Year-Old Children Enrolled in Medicaid. 47,000 nine-year-old children that they followed through Medicaid. Oh, 47,000?

So it's a big group. Wow, that is a big group. Big group. The results suggest that the current vaccination schedule is contributing to multiple forms of neural development disorders, including autism. If this study is correct, if what this data shows is accurate, this would mean that about 80% of autism could be related or connected to the vaccination

schedule, but this is all neurodevelopmental disorders, including ADD. So this one's going to be, this is crazy. It's peer reviewed. it's a big one, and I'm sure it's gonna be flying. There's gonna be a lot of controversy around this one. Tons of controversy. Yes. Yeah, I was worried.

These will be examined for sure. You've been bringing that up, because people get really pissed about that. I know. Get really, really pissed about that. I know. Well, that's been the messaging forever, you know? You can't question it.

Well, the amount of vaccines that the kids take now is crazy compared to what, even just our generation. Well I have a family member, I won't say too much because I don't call him out, but I have a family member who gets really upset over this stuff. And now there's a lot of people that get really upset because, and I get this, as a parent,

when you make a decision for your child, and if you start to maybe either someone present to you something or you realize that maybe the decision you made contributed to something that might have hurt your kid That's a tough one. That's a really really hard one, you know, and you can't escape it by the way as a parent You're gonna think this anyway, like no matter what you look back. I messed up my kids somehow doing this thing or that thing or whatever, but this one I think this is why it's such a divisive, you know, well, I know there's been a lot of like safety trials that they've You know, well, I know there's been a lot of like safety trials that they've examined the past. I know like so rfk's buck like exposed some of this and talked about it with Fauci and Ended up suing Fauci in one because they didn't present any of those

Safety trials. Wow, because they didn't have any proof And it's like if people really want to look into it, there's a lot of questions that need to be answered. So that's where I'm at. I'm not like trying to throw a shade on everybody and making their decisions, but be informed. Yeah. If this study is accurate and they start to dive in and start to really make these connections, oh man, it's going to be, it'll be disrupting, to say the least, to culture, because of how long we've gone down that road. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know what that would cost.

Do you remember, Doug, do you remember how many, like when you were a kid, like how many vaccine shots that you were required to take before school? And do you know where we're at now, Sal, in comparison? You can look it up, bro, the difference is- Very few. The difference is very big. Yeah, yeah. For us, when we were is very big for us when we were kids.

Forget Doug when we were kids. Look at the vaccine schedule in the 80s versus today or whatever. When Max was born and they told me, my jaw dropped on how many. I'm like, that many we're supposed to do over the next year? That's crazy how many. It's just a lot different. It's just a lot different. It's just a lot different. But you know the problem too is there's so many things that are so different that like how do you point to one

thing or the other? But this study was you know kind of an interesting one. There was that one group too in Southern California. I can't remember where but I think it was Southern California where they saw for the first time ever a drop in autism which we don't see anymore among this group of children. What are they attributed to? It was a wealthy part, I think it was LA, it might have been LA or San Francisco, it was a wealthy part of California

where all these parents were not vaccinating their kids. And they saw, which you don't see again, dropping rates of autism. Really? Yes, and I can't remember the place, I can't remember where it was, but you don't see again, dropping rates of autism. Really? Yes. And I can't remember the place. I can't remember where it was. Um, but you could find it. You, you pull those numbers up Doug?

Yeah. So in the eighties, it looked like they're just a handful. Uh, maybe six or seven. There's a schedule here. I don't even remember that many. I know. Three, two. Yeah.

I remember like two. Yeah. No, today it's like diphtheria, tetanus, today've been like two. Yeah, I've been like two. Yeah, no today it's like. I mean it's diphtheria, tetanus. Today it's like 50 or something like that. Measles, mom, fromella, polio. Yeah, there's a crazy amount now. Yeah.

And then what is today, do you have today's up or no? Oh, let me pull that up. Yeah, it's, there was a chart that I pulled up once that had one versus the other, and it was, I mean it was insane. I mean. Okay. There's a chart here, and it's pretty mean it was it was insane. There's a chart here and it's pretty crazy if I can pull it up. Yeah, it's a lot. There you go. Yeah.

There's dose dose dose dose dose dose dose. Yeah. What is that total up to? This is just for childhood too. Through 18 months. Yeah. 15 months. 15 months. Yeah. That's what I remember. I remember seeing the thing and I'm like, through. 18 months. Yeah, that's right. 15 months. 15 months. That's what I remember, I remember seeing the thing and I'm like, nah. You know, what people don't know too though is like you could postpone this shit.

Like you could, they make you feel like you have to do all this stuff right now, right away. Absolutely. Yeah, you can delay them. I think this. I delayed all his stuff. This plus COVID are the two leading reasons why homeschooling has exploded.

Is these two things right here? Yeah. In California, it's seen an explosion homeschooling because they really clamped down on these laws and said, no, now you can't have an exemptions. So I have cousins whose daughters have exemptions for real reasons and they had to pull them out of school because they're like, nope, no more exemption.

Now, how do we compare to other countries? That's a good question. I think it's I think we're I imagine we're the highest. I imagine we are yeah I mean, that's a good question. There's a lot of money in that yeah Yeah, and they're not and they can't there's a limit to what they can like lawsuits I know that we passed a law in the 80s. Well, that's yeah, that's why you saw so many. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm So anyway, all right, I'm gonna take a turn Well, we can why we're scaring people. Let's stay on this real good That's the one so autism rates in California decline in wealthy counties Santa Clara, Monterey Marin and Sonoma And they went in and found that there were a lot of these are like the crunchy wealthy, you know Californians

We're just like no here, I'm not gonna. Yeah, that's the one that I was talking about. Interesting. So, okay, so why we're continuing to scare people. Did you see the lawsuit that Apple's got going on right now? No. Yeah, yeah, from the wristbands. Oh, is it all the Forever Chemicals

and the Apple Watch wristbands? And the watch? Yes. The wristbands. And the watch? Yes. The wristbands. Oh great. I've worn one for a long time. That's why. You know what?

I got a rash and I stopped wearing it. No lawsuits for Rolex. I don't see none of that shit. Oh you Apple Watch dorks. Gold in my veins. Oh you Apple Watch dorks. Yeah, pull it up. I want to know what... It's the plastic, right? It's Snoop fan. Yeah, pull it up. I want to know what...

It's the plastic, right? It's the plastic one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Forever Chemicals is what the article says on that. I mean, can't you pretty much get that from almost any plastic anything, right? Lots of plastic. And they're trying to make it so it's that type of plastic that doesn't cause like a reaction to your skin.

That was the biggest thing they were concerned with. Unfortunately, it's also high-end. That was the biggest thing they were concerned with. Yeah. PFA's. Lots of PFA's. So I have a sister-in-law who works for them and gave Katrina and I both Apple watches. So I thought, oh, I'll wear it for my steps for a while.

And so I don't know if you remember, there was a short period of time where I wore it on my opposite hand, right? Part of what made me stop was I actually got this like little rash on my skin. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, that was enough for me. I said I already don't like this stupid thing

and it's giving me a rash. That was an easy throw in the trash, no thanks. So that's interesting. So what does it say? Yeah, so they're facing a lawsuit over watch bands containing potential cancer causing chemicals. What do they call them? PFA? PFA.

Now do you think that just because it's apple and it's getting all this attention because I would think almost any watt plastic made watch sure. It would be of course, but it's like, yeah, I'm sure. Right. I heard that the, some of the worst plastics that you could use are black or dark plastics, especially the kind you get from a restaurant for your leftovers. Don't warm food up in those. Oh, really? Yeah, it was Rhonda Patrick was talking about it. She said that will just flood your food. Really? That's good to know. It's like ground up recycled... Tires?

Tires. I don't know. Is that the tires? I think, well, some of it. I know that's the football fields for kids. That's for sure The turf yes, you get rid of turf. So we Yeah, we put like ground up like tires try to help a couple roll like chemical cancer Is it turf worse for your don't be a more injuries on turf than they do well the the kind of turf that was like Really thin and was more Like almost cement below it, but they they changed it So it had like a rubber is that the little black bits that are flying off whenever my eyes?

Like yeah all over the place. I actually played on a couple of those that was like towards Speaking of like like playing and stuff like a man high school sports are no joke. My daughter is you watching your daughter? well, just just sports are no joke. Like my daughter is... You're watching your daughter go through it? Well just every day they train the crap out of them and then she has like two games a week on top of it. By the time Saturday comes around she's exhausted. Yeah. You know? Crazy. I mean you gotta like it though, no? You like it? Oh yeah it's good for her dude. Yeah, yeah. My kid's busy. Part of it is she's like getting into nutrition now which is... That's awesome. Jessica really helps check me on this because you guys know I get excited about something. I'm gonna sell everybody on it or I'm, Jessica really helps check me on this because you guys know, I get excited about it, so I'm gonna sell everybody on it,

or I'm gonna encourage it, and you know how teenagers are, the more excited you are, the less excited they are. So she's like reminding me, shut up, don't say anything. Let it be. Yes, just let her, like, because she started asking about protein, and her and Jessica were talking. Yeah, and I'm just like, protein?

I hear protein? So I got her, like like the high protein yogurts that you eat at home. And I got gluten-free granola. So she's eating that in the morning. She's eating chicken breast sandwiches for lunch. And I'm noticing she's looking like she's building muscle, her energy's higher, and I'm like really hard,

I'm trying to fight the urge to be like, hey, don't you notice you're stronger? Don't you notice you have more energy? Jessica's like, shut your mouth. you notice you're stronger? Don't you notice you have more energy? Jessica's like, shut your mouth, let her figure it out, dude. Such spying on my child. I wish I understood all that stuff as a kid. It makes me really wonder, like, you know,

would it have made that big of a difference for me? Because I had a terrible diet, I didn't train, I didn't do any of that stuff. That's not the mistake you made, you should have swam. Yeah, well, I was in the wrong sport too, right? You would have been in college, you would have got a scholarship, dude. I don't know, but I definitely wish I knew that stuff

as a kid growing up. I had the work ethic, right? I mean, I definitely was the kid who told me to go the extra mile to do those things. I just didn't have anybody who influenced me nutritionally and exercise-wise. You also play the wrong sports. Yeah, that too.

That too, yes, that too. You would have killed it. I'll never forget that time we were in the pool. Big old meathead. I was like peak bodybuilder. He was peak bodybuilder. You know, shape, like this is not good for swimming. He was like, he swam like a rock. He jumps in the pool and races

college level swimmers and was on their tails. Like this big ass bodybuilder flying through the water. I was like, oh, Adam, swimmers and was on their tails like this big ass body flying through the water. Adam you missed your collie bro. I had no idea too. I sunk man. As a kid I've never swam in lakes but never had a competition. Our school didn't have a swim team so never even occurred to me that that would be something that I would be okay. My brother's like that. He swims like a seal dude.

He just through the water. I'll drown okay. My brother's like that, he swims like a seal, dude. He just, shh, through the water. I mean, I mean. I'll drown, dude, I'm not gonna tell. When you understand body types and stuff like that, right, then it makes sense, but again, more stuff that I wasn't educated. I always wondered though, too though, you know, was I, because I know stubborn me,

if older me came and told me what to do, I probably wouldn't listen, so, maybe it's better that I didn't, because it'd be even worse if someone had told me. It would've taken like a hot girl or something. I love swimmers. I'll try that. Are you punking me? Yeah. So when we were kids like swimming wasn't like the cool sports. No it wasn't. Right? No yeah it wasn't really like. It was football, baseball. Yeah. Basketball. Yeah basketball was worse. Yeah they were like the main ones, right?

It wasn't any of the offshoots. Yeah, anyway. All right, let me take my right now. I wanna talk about the class that you and I are gonna teach. Yeah. What is that, March, what is the date? Third?

Is it March 3rd? This one's gonna be popular, for sure, because we're gonna be- Social media stuff. This is social media. We're gonna teach coaches and trainers how to leverage social media to build their business. March 4th.

March 4th. March 4th. So that's when you can watch it live. By the way, you're gonna wanna watch it live because we do some pretty cool stuff, although there are replays. So if you sign up, you can get a replay. But if you watch live, you'll get something

that nobody else, replays won't get. Yeah, we normally do something cool live on there. But no matter what, definitely at least sign up because even if you can't make the time you'll get it sent over to you. Yes and I have to say social media for building a fitness business influencing people properly whatever has got to be one of the most misunderstood aspects of building a business. Agreed, agreed. By far. Agreed. It's viewed as like this different thing and there's all these different rules

and here's how you do it. And they use these examples of people who are terrible examples that just, you know, we're lucky. Yeah. And so. It's just popularity and growth focused only. Nobody does it right. And there's a right way to do it.

You're chasing, most people are teaching the algorithm hacking stuff to chase, you know, play the trendy music, do the trendy thing for all for views and attention because and I think what it is is that if you get millions of eyeballs on you even if you aren't good at your job you're gonna make some money. I mean it's just it's a volume game at that. Now none of those customers are probably gonna return and you're probably not some money. I mean, it's just a volume game at that. Now, none of those customers are probably gonna return, and you're probably not gonna have sustainable business because you suck at your job,

and you just had this wave of people come through. But if you build it correctly the right way, you attract the right customer, you learn a lot about yourself, your business, you actually are helping people, and you don't need nearly that kind of attention to build a very successful business.

And so I do think that there's a lot of social media gurus out there that teach people. And I mean, by the way, we're guilty of hiring them and reading all the stuff. I mean, I went down the rabbit hole of trying to figure this out for many years when we were building this. And a lot of the advice is it's so not true to building a very successful business. It may be true to going viral and getting an extra 10,000 views or something like that,

but that's not the big one. I'll make this argument, if you do it right, you're gonna build a successful business and you're more likely to potentially go viral. If you chase virality and you ignore all the other stuff, you're not gonna build a successful business, your odds of going viral are like one in a billion. It's kinda like your chasing health analogy.

That's right. Chase health, the aesthetics will follow. If you just go for the aesthetics, you just go for the numbers, then it's like. You'll lose both. Yeah. Oh, there's something there, Adam, let me think about that.

Yeah. I'm sure you'll take it and sell it better than I do. We'll find out in the webinar. Then take my credit. I just came up with something. No, I'm just kidding. Anyway. Yeah, make sure. What's it? What is the what is the link for that Doug? We have our trainerwebinar.com. Sign up. Come

see us. See you guys there. Hey this episode is also brought to you by Mind Pump Fitness Coaching. Adam and I teach trainers and coaches on March 4th how to build their social media business. It's totally free, totally free. Go sign up, trainerwebinar.com. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Jackie from Canada. Hi Jackie. Hello.

How can we help you? All righty. So I have a few questions, three. Okay, let's do it. Let's do it. Wrap them up. Okay, so I'm used to doing CrossFit and competitive weightlifting. So about nine years I've been doing that, but I decided to try the RGB bundle.

So it was a really big change for me. I did the intro in phase one and then by phase two, I was just feeling it's not enough and I was really missing my clean cleaning jerks and snatches. I really enjoy those. And I kind of was missing my Metcons. So I started to add them in in phase two. And then, yeah. So I was just wondering, because phase two only had like two days a week. So I kind of switched it to doing four days a week.

I divided the, your guys' work between those four days and then added cleans one day, jerks another day and snatches. Like, do you think that's too much? Well, okay. So let's back up for a second. What made you stop, uh, CrossFit and when you say competitive weightlifting, you mean Olympic lifting? Yeah.

Okay. What made you switch from that? Why did you stop doing that? Oh, I just, I think variety is good for a person. I think it's good to, you know, maybe some muscles you're lacking because you're always doing the same movement. So just a change. I think it's good.

Have overall fitness. Okay. So you got, you got bored? No, not bored, just variety is good for a person. Well, that's true. It is true and that's a good mindset. Only you started to get variety then you went right back to what you were doing. Right. You changed it out, but didn't like to change it. So your attitude is right. I think that's a good attitude is that, you know, variety, novelty, move in and out of different modalities is great. I think that's a good attitude is that you know variety novelty Move in and out of different modalities is great encourage that for for clients to do that But you switch from one modality and you went back to your way of training and maybe you didn't go full-blown

So in your head you're thinking you kind of didn't but you pretty much did The idea would have been to follow the new programming laid out and allow it to See how you respond to it and the benefits you get from it by changing it You've now bastardized it and it's no longer. It's not gonna be effective What do you have any specific goals that might help with besides doing something different? Do you have any like? Performance goals or physical goals or anything like that? Well, that kind of goes into like my third question different, do you have any like performance goals or physical goals or anything like that? Well, that kind of goes into like my third question. So in one of your episodes, you talked about certain numbers for people, like athlete level or whatever. So I'm at those

numbers, which I feel is fairly good for myself. I'm 37 and yeah, it's kind of like, I don't know what to go, where to go next. Just try to keep getting stronger or I don't know. Okay. I'm not too worried about one rep maxes anymore, but yeah, I don't know. It sounds like you're mostly motivated by athletic performance. Like, like what you're able to do in the gym. Is that correct? Yeah, I think so.

Okay. Well, okay. So there's a couple of ways you could go here. I mean, uh, MAPS Performance Advanced would probably be a program that you would really enjoy. MAPS Power Lift would be another program you would probably really enjoy. And then when it comes to Olympic weightlifting, Dude, old time strength.

Old time strength would be another great program for you. It's very different. Variety and I just feel like you're a novelty seeker and this would be something totally outside of your norm. Yeah, I like that. Consider that.

But yeah, I mean, in terms of your mentality, I understand like, you know, you're just trying to be overall fit and you're, you enjoy that. You like being challenged a lot, right? No specific goal in terms of, uh, you know, aesthetic or performance, like nothing very specific. No, but like, you know, certain things. So like your Olympic weightlifting, I don't want to lose that because I've worked really

hard to get, you know, more of my numbers are. and same with, you know, gymnastics, you know, it took me a long time to get my ring muscle ups and I don't want to just not do them anymore. So I want to somehow include those. I like maps performance advanced for you because it gives you an opportunity to do some of that stuff. Yeah. So skill days will allow you to include those.

And then if you want to try something really different that's going to train your body very differently that I think will contribute to your lifts once you practice them again and get the skill back is old time. I think Justin hit the nail on the head. Yeah, I think old time would be a great suggestion to move away, but I'm hearing the more,

the fact that she likes to keep going back to these movements that she doesn't want to lose, which that's performance advanced. It was written for that intention intention for literally somebody who is specifically yeah, likes athletic type of training has specific skills they like, they don't want to use, they want to include it, but they also understand traditional strength training has tremendous value and they should train that way. Maps performance advanced is the program for you.

We'll send that to you. And you can cycle through it more than once and you can change what those lifts are. So maybe you're focusing on the rings and the snatch at one time you go through it. Then the next time you go through it, you your muscle ups and something else you're into. So there's definitely ways for you to incorporate these skills that you enjoy and you don't want to lose while also following good program. But you know, the thing that people get where they make a mistake with our programs is they add or change things and it's like it no longer becomes great programming once you start to change. And changing it by

adding stuff to it. It's like if you really understand programming you can take same things out and replace it if you know what you're doing. But very few people know how to do that and instead what they end up doing is just add what they want more of. And then now you took great programming to subpar programming or terrible programming. Well, and to just as like a caveat, like you, I just want to reiterate that fatigue is the enemy of skill. And so if you're, you know, consuming your, your thoughts around doing metcons and doing circuit style, you're not improving your skill. So that's what you're going to experience in MAPS Performance Advanced is we're going to hyper-focus on these skills,

and you're going to rotate that around so you focus on those. Even if it's endurance, we want to focus on endurance exclusively for a block. And just try to do that for a while. I know it's addictive because it's hard, but hard doesn't always mean better. Your performance advance will give you room to add, it was created specifically for people

to be able to add things that they wanna add. It's in the programming, so we'll send that to you. And then just some side advice, you're young, you're very strong if you're in the advanced level of the, you know, how we listed, you know, people's strength levels. If you want to keep doing this for the rest of your life, I mean, I think your best bet is to train in different modalities exclusively. Like I'm going to do about a powerlifting.

I'm going to do about Olympic lifting. I'm going to do about a powerlifting. I'm going to do about of Olympic lifting. I'm going to do about a bodybuilding. I'm going to do about of, you know, body weight style training. That's going to be, if that's how you enjoy, if you enjoy expressing your body physically and in that variety, and you just really enjoy performing in different ways, then you should do blocks of three months at a time in different modalities and over the years you're gonna have this really well-rounded ability to do lots of different things. That would be the way to do it. And you won't lose those skills.

No. If you dip in and out for three months, especially when the three months is strength training and do other pursuits that are fitness related. And maybe like your max snatch. It'll go down a little bit. Goes down by 10%, but then you get 15% when you go back to it. So the net result is you still get better in those things. So there's a lot of value in moving in and out of these modalities and staying away from it

for a few months and then coming back to it, you're not gonna get worse or lose, especially, like I said, you're replacing with other good programs. Someone like you, the programs you would probably enjoy, Performance Advanced, Maps Power Lift, Maps Strong, Maps OCR, all very different. And old time.

Maps old time, all very different, and they'll all express your body's strength and performance in different ways. And they're all about three month blocks. That, yeah, and I love people like you because you really love fitness for the, just for fitness, which is great. So moving in and out of these different styles,

modalities, a little bit of bodybuilding, a little bit of old time strength, a little bit of strong man style training, I mean, it's gonna be fun. It'll be a lot of fun. And over the years you'll get really good at a lot of different things. But trust the process, trust the process. I mean, I don't know how long you've been listening to us for, but if you, if you trust that we know what we're doing,

then trust that we know that this is how you should follow the program laid out and don't make the mistake that so many fitness nuts do, which is just pile on stuff to the program. Go ahead. fitness nuts do, which is just pile on stuff to the program. Awesome. Go ahead. Like, I know you guys say three months at a time, but did you do like less than that, you know, like do two months of your program and then go back to just doing my snatches and clean for a little bit, even for a few weeks and then jump back in and you can't, how long you've been working out for Jackie,

for a few weeks and then jump back in. And you can't, how long have you been working out for Jackie? Um, like the Olympic lifting and CrossFit, probably nine years at least. And then, you know, I went to the gym before that. And yeah, you, okay. It's a long time. Yeah. Yes, you can. I think, you know, your body, uh, well enough to where you could kind of do that.

Just don't overdo it. That's the, that's the one place people like you tend to, tend to, you know, veer towards is like Adam said, what I want to lose what I'm like, you know, I'm doing, I did endurance and I have all this endurance. I want to train for strength, but I don't want to lose the endurance. So you just add on top of it. And then, you know, now you're just burning yourself out type of deal. And eventually you'll learn this lesson one way or the other.

Either you'll decide that, okay, this is'll learn this lesson one way or the other. Either you'll decide that, okay, this is the best way for me or your body will let you know. Yeah. And I do say like when I did you guys like the phase one, I definitely, when I went to go do, you know, my back squat or something, because I don't usually do high reps, like 12 to 15, I never do that. So when I went back and did, you know, just a two rep max,

I definitely felt way better. Like it was just different. Exactly. Yeah, no, you're good. Somebody with your experience, you'll be fine moving in and out. Just don't slap things on top of things. We'll have Doug send performance advance, because I think that's the one that fits you best right now.

And then look into those other ones that, that Sal talked about. And then just the other question. So when it comes to trigger sessions, I did do them, but I just, maybe because I don't know, just my background in fitness, like they're a little bit lacking maybe, or maybe I just want to try doing other things. So I was, I was asked like, can I do just different body weight movements, like hands down pushups? So trigger sessions, the way that they're designed

are more bodybuilding hypertrophy focused. They're low intensity. They're more to facilitate recovery than they are for you. It's like, get a little bit of a pump. Someone like you, you know what your best time spent would be on those days? Would be mobility. Walking.

Walking and mobility. Yeah. Like practice mobility on those days would serve you way better than anything else. Yeah. Yeah, I could do that. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Well, I'll try it. Like I do like your program. Like I did like it. It was different. So I just, yeah, I just didn't wanna lose what I've worked so hard to get good at. How long have you been listening to us, Jackie, for? When did you find the podcast?

Maybe like two years ago. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, good. Yeah, you make up a very small percentage of individuals who work out. So a lot of what we communicate is to other people. But someone like you, I really think you would find a lot of value and enjoyment by doing what we said, where you're focusing kind of on different skills, different modalities

for certain periods of time, because you enjoy, it sounds like you enjoy fitness just for the fitness part of it, just for the performance part of it, which is great. It's rad. Yeah. Keep it going. Let's just get smarter, you know, and let's do some, a lot more programs. That's it. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll definitely try the, I didn't go into the performance one. It was my next one to go into, but then, you know, like you said, old habits, just, I was like, well, just go back to my CrossFit Metcons. No, performance advanced, the programming is different and you'll have space to add those, those, those lifts that you want to do so badly.

Yeah. Well, they're just fun. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. That's perfect. Okay. Faceful, awesome. One other thing, cause I listened to the podcast this morning about the creatine so like if I eat enough protein

No, I need yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Are you eating 203? 280 grams of protein probably not. Yeah, you'll benefit from creatine regardless Yeah, I Definitely get like 170 grams of protein a day. I think a better way to say it, I don't think you need it, I think you will see benefits from it if you took it. That's what we think. So it's not, if you're eating that much meat, you're not deficient in creatine, but if you want to see extra benefits, especially someone who sounds like they're

performance-driven, you're gonna see benefits from supplementing with creatine. Absolutely. Take five grams a day and you'll know within two or three weeks if it's giving you benefit. Well, like I have been taking it probably for, I don't know, a month and a half at least maybe, maybe two months now. So I don't know if I try it. I don't know. Aside from performance benefits, there's cognitive benefits and health benefits as well. So just keep

that in mind. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. Thank you. Thank you guys. All right. You got it. Yeah. I've had trainers like this. I don't know, bro. I smell something else. Yeah. Like what? Maybe escapism. Maybe you got to be constantly moving and doing something. I mean, we didn't get personal with her and what's going on the rest of her life and stuff like that. It'd be interesting to hear more. Oh yeah. But I mean, no real clarity on the goals or what she wants from the exercising or even what she really, you know. But you can't even do trigger sessions because it's not enough on top of already adding to

The program. I don't know somebody Smells like running from something or this is a way for me to escape distract thing But yeah, she again has been doing this for how long was it nine years nine plus I mean that's a long time to be doing a modality You know and getting to the point where I can kind of understand, like she's good at certain movements like that. But now is looking for something different. That's a change in you have to change this.

That's the requirement here as we're going through something to allow your body really experience it. And so it's, you know, just to get into that mental shift is, is everything. And she's creeping up on that age where the lesson's gonna be learned. Exactly. It's going, whether... Tough love is necessary. Yeah, either it goes, you know, this rings a bell or she decides to change, really change

some things up or real soon here, her body will let her know. You know what the question would have been? When's the last time you took two weeks off? I know. That would have been the question. the last time you took two weeks off? I know. That would have been the question. Yes, and so I smell that, bro. Yeah, because the answer to that would probably be never. Yeah, and then to me, it's like honestly,

which I wish we would have done that a little bit deeper with her because she sounds like that she needs to do more walking, or maybe a Maps 15 program for a little while would be a really good movement for her, but very difficult because she couldn't even move to Maps and a ball without adding a bunch of stuff to it. So it's like, you know, I know we gave her a program that will kind of give her the desire she wants, but to me, I smell there's something deeper there to look into.

Sure. Our next caller is Tyler from Ohio. What's going on Tyler? How can we help you? Well, I'm going to get right into it to honor your guys' time. So it's been kind of a long journey for me as in the fitness world. I got into running during COVID, and that quickly escalated into me doing a half marathon and then was like, sure, I'll do a 50k. Wow, that escalated fast.

Fast. And I get really fixated on things when I do them. So I started listening to other experts in the field. I decided I'd try veganism out, which was probably one of the hardest things I've done. But I thought from what I learned, it was a clean, low inflammatory fuel and energy source. But after about two years of doing that, I was feeling depleted.

I weighed about 144 pounds. Now granted, that's probably because I was trying to be efficient and a endurance athlete. But I started to change my tune when I was like, low libido, low energy, was constantly hangry, and was like, something has to change. So on my 30th birthday, I went and I bought a whole chicken and I spatchcocked it and I got some

pastured sausage and butter. Good for you. And my wife came home and I was frying bananas and butter and she was like, what happened? You tell her I woke up. Yeah. This is everything to me. Why have I not been eating meat the past two years? So then I started learning about strength training and was like, Hey, I'm, I'm 30 now.

Like I kind of missed the whole like putting on muscle window that they say is optimal but I quickly put on you know about 20 pounds I'm now fluctuating between like 166 and 170 I say I'm on a bulk but I seem to have an insatiable hunger so I'm constantly eating and I guess my question is so I've started strength training, I'm following a program by Jeff Nippard right now that was gifted to me. It's a five day PPL split. So sometimes I get there five days a week, sometimes I don't. And I'm trying to figure out, is my programming too intense, because when I was running, I was running every day. So I kind of transitioned into now lifting and I've been reading, you know, like hitting each muscle group twice a week is really good

Especially those muscle groups that recover faster can be hit more So that's kind of how I've been going about doing it and using ChatGPT to query when I have questions. So is my programming too intense? And then also how do I figure out my ideal body weight and where I should be as far as there? It seems like I've been stuck at 166, 170 and how do I figure out like what that goal is or should be before I surpass like my wife's worried I'm gonna get too jacked. How long have you been following that new program? So I am I'm just about to enter the last five weeks so I've been following it for a little under two months. Okay and you're gonna box the program for sure okay but let's back up though let's talk about changes in performance, muscle, have you seen any

changes in strength? Also are you still running or did you get rid of it? Yeah definitely need to do the running schedule. I'm to run with like job, family stuff and like lifting so it's just strictly been lifting. Okay. Okay, that's good What about your any strength gains during that period of time or any changes and anything? I Could barely bench one third like I couldn't bench 135 now. I'm able to like put up 135 For at least like eight reps. That's great. Yeah. That's good. You're doing good.

You're doing good. You're doing good, but I don't think it's the ideal program for you just so you know. And you said something really key, two things. One, we tend to recommend most people, a full body routine is superior. And people can try and make the arguments for why, they're close, right?

In a perfect setting where we measure and track everything and the studies will show they're pretty much the same. But what it plays a huge role for me with clients was always what you said right away, which is, yeah, when I get to the gym, or when I get there most times, and that's where splits suck, is unless you're somebody who never misses the

gym and you always hit that split every single week, it's good but most people aren't like that. Most people have a day or two or they get sick every once in a while or they have a good week and that's why a full body three day a week type of routine is beautiful and if you get on your extra days go for your walks or do some mobility work or trigger sessions that we recommend in anabolic are good for you. But if you missed a day of maps anabolic,

you're not gonna go backwards at all because you still got two days of full body training. So. Before you were following the program you're following now, what were you doing for strength training? Wasn't, he wasn't doing anything. Nothing? Well, I kind of slowly started to incorporate

some like band work, some resistance bands, because I was having some injuries with running. And when I started strength training, those injuries kind of worked themselves out. So then I was like, there's something to the strength training, and that was like the start of my slow transition out of like endurance, vegan, and all that.

Okay, and then are you, do you know what your protein intake is right now, your calories? Yeah, so I'm shooting to get around 3,000 calories every day, and I try and get between 160 and 180 grams of protein. Good, you're good. You're doing good. Here's what you're gonna do, quit that program

and start MAPS anabolic, do the three day a week version, continue with your diet, your strength things will explode. Yeah that's it. Other than that you're doing pretty good. By the way Tyler, what you're doing isn't bad by any means. Obviously and the results are showing that. We see the picture of your physique, you look good, you've gained strength. So the programming isn't bad, it's that what we're gonna send you is better for you and you're gonna see more results. Just's that the, what we're going to send you is better for you. And you're going to see more results. So, you know, you know, Jeff Nippard's not bad.

Uh, it's just he's, there are coaches and trainers who base all of their advice on studies, then there's coaches and trainers that know studies, but also have decades of experience training, real people, that's the information you want to get Jeff Nippard has. I mean, he, he doesn't have experience training, lots training real people. That's the information you want to get. Jeff Nippard has, I mean, he doesn't have experience training lots of everyday people. He's a studies guy, he trains himself. So his programming is going to be based off what the study says, hit a body part twice a week,

the sets it to be 12 to 15 per week, muscle groups like this, that, and the other. But we've trained lots and lots of everyday people, and we understand the nuances. Remember, studies are done on college-age males, things tend to be controlled, you know. It's not, it doesn't, there's value there. It's not perfect, is what it is.

But it doesn't, you know, like MAPS on a ball, like you follow the three-day week version on that, keep your calories approaching where they're at. You should see some significant strength gains with it. Sweet. Yeah, I mean that was, like I would miss a day and like, all right, I'm gonna hit legs and upper body today. Right. And I would just. Yeah. I mean, that was like, I would miss a day and like, all right, I'm going to hit legs and upper body today. Right. And I would just know because I'm like, I gotta, I gotta be there. Of course. Yeah. Make it happen.

Make up for it. Yeah. That's why, that's why I'm not a fan of the split for most people. And it doesn't mean that I don't ever once in a while run split or I think it's bad. It just is for most people, a full body routine three days a week is just the superior way of programming. And just based off what you said. You don't have to do a full body of legs either. You don't need to change anything. We're just gonna switch your programming and I guarantee you're gonna see strength gains and you're gonna be happy with less days inside the gym too.

So. So what about, so like I definitely feel, at least I think I'm recovering well Sometimes my sleep habits could be better. I mean, I'm sure you guys know being married like sometimes your spouse wants to stay up or things like that, but I noticed my HRV at night is like pretty low significant it's like in the 30s usually Which I just started tracking. so that's a relatively new metric. So have you heard us talk about HRV and like what we like even better than HRV?

No, I don't think I've heard that. Okay, so here's another good example of studies and cool tech and like again with experienced guys, right? Okay. HRV stuff is cool. We've all played with it, used it, used the tools. A better way to do it and even simpler is a, what do they call it? Diameters? The diameters, which is just a grip strength test. And for a week, okay, track what your numbers are.

So you get an idea of what peak grip strength looks like for you and what maybe a lower day is and When you right before you go to lift Squeeze that sucker and measure what it what it says and allow that to dictate your intensity If you get up in the morning and you get your best squeeze you ever got it. Guess what? That's the day to go rip that gym. You're feeling your CNS is a firing on all cylinders. You probably got great rest You're ready to go if it's your lowest you've scored that you know ever then you know like oh I need to really back off the intensity if it's somewhere in the middle moderate intensity that right there

We have found is far more accurate to the individual With less air involved like the HRV type to a. It's a dynamometer as it was called. Now, by the way, the other thing is just are you getting stronger? You're getting stronger, you're moving in the right direction. You seem like someone that might be prone to overthinking things a little bit. Am I hitting the nail on the head?

Yeah. So you're probably better off not measuring so many things. You're probably better off just like, am I getting stronger in the gym? And then yes, so I'm good. Yeah, no, that's totally fair. I mean, I haven't even really been tracking, like I don't write down how much I'm lifting

from week to week, I just kind of throw weight on and I kind of, in my warmups, I gauge where I'm at. Yeah. And then on that, that's like how much more I put on or take off. Yeah. That's fine. I like that. I mean you're doing a good job. I mean we're definitely splitting hairs here by you know nitpicking what you're doing. If anybody has moved their physique the amount you have in the period of time that you have and you've moved away from running, you've picked up protein and meat,

you're hitting your protein targets, you've gotten that strong on the bench and that short of a period of time, you're doing good. You really are. Like, yeah, you're doing really good. And I think the biggest thing that like, when we talk about what will move the needle the most with us from just hearing you right now,

it's a little bit better programming. I think that you'll benefit from the three-day week full body routine in Maps Anabolic. I think that by itself will move the needle more than probably any other thing that we could talk about. That's based off what you've told us. Obviously, if you said something like, I never get sleep and there was this obvious thing that we could fix or help you, but something you're pretty good about paying attention to all those things, the biggest thing would be, I think think a little bit better programming for you for those days when you might miss a gym Workout, this is more ideal

Okay, and then about how long are those are those workouts an hour an hour an hour oh Sweet that's perfect If I have time I have one more question sure Um, if I have time, I have one more question. Sure. So, uh, my wife keeps encouraging me and is like, kind of nagging me about like looking into becoming a trainer. Um, and I've like talked to people from, uh, like the different companies out there, like NASA and stuff like that.

But I, I like, I think the thing that gets me tripped up is like wanting to be able to provide, but also do something that I'm passionate about. And like training doesn't necessarily feel like that. But then when I look at you guys who have like built a successful like business, um, and venture, like I gives me hope, but I'm still like, yeah, but I got to pay the bills. You can do very well as a trainer and a coach very well. And it's very rewarding and venture, like it gives me hope, but I'm still like, yeah, but I got to pay the bills. You can do very well as a trainer and a coach very well. And it's very rewarding. The problem is there isn't a lot of coaching and training for coaches and

trainers. And so there's a high turnover rate, but the ones that figure it out do very well. So the trainers that work for me, the trainers that work for Adam, the trainers that work for Justin, they did very well because we taught them. We coach them, we train them. We have a course, we actually have a course, it's actually worth continuing education credits on national certifications as well, so it's formally accepted. But we have a course and what it focuses on how to build your business. This is the business part. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Which I would I would recommend,

like you were already looking into NASM, I think NASM is a great foundation like to get you started when it comes to assessing clients, how to build the programming for them, get them started. That is scaffolding for everyone. Yeah. One of the best all around certifications. Okay. So I, I love that for a base. Then the very next thing after that, I, I love ours because ours is more heavily focused on the business. It's like, now you have the tools to go help 99% of the people you'll ever meet.

Now let us show you how you take that knowledge and actually apply it to make money and be successful. And that we really weren't trying to compete with NASM and APHA and NCSF, like we were trying to fill the gap. We saw a lot of national search out there that you could argue what science you like better, what focuses on nutrition or more programming. There's a lot that are great out there

and we have a lot to say about all of them, but nobody's done a really good job of helping trainers take that information and now go make money with it. And so that was really what we wanted to do and we took a lot of pride in building what we think is probably the best, most robust certification course out there for trainers

to make more money. Tyler, can I have somebody, so can I have someone call you today and just kind of ask you more, spend some time with you on the phone, ask you more personal questions and kind of break down, okay, what would this look like if you were to turn this into a career? Because we have people that work for us

and that's what they do. Yeah, that would this look like if you were to turn this into a career? Because we have people that work for us and that's what they do Yeah, that would be that would be awesome. All right, so here Why don't you send in your phone number to Doug or whoever you emailed and I'll make sure somebody reaches out to you today Sweet. Yeah, that would be awesome. Cool. You got it, man I know we'll send you maps anabolic that'll be the program to follow. Yep, and a ball. Got it We got you and I'm not gonna get, my wife's worried I'm gonna get too swole. Don't worry, that is the easiest thing in the world to lose. So.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, she was like, we should get ice cream. And I'm like, honey, I don't think we really need more ice cream. She's like, but like, think about it. It's heavy cream and milk, it's perfect for your bulk. She's awesome. She would close me on that one.

You're right. You're right. Yeah, you'll be good, bro. And like I said, we saw the pictures. You're doing great right now. I think this is a little tweak we can give you that you're going to see even more results. And so keep heading the way you are. Tweet. Well, I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much for all that you do. And yeah, this was great. All right, Kyle. All right, man. Good. Good stuff. You have Kyle calling. There is, you know, there is some, most programming out there is garbage.

That's just true. But there is some out there that's based on data and science and is sound from that standpoint. But it's really hard. It's really hard to find a trainer or a coach or a strength coach that has both, because experience takes a long time, and then of course the education part, right? But when you combine the two, Joe DeFranco's a great example of this.

All the education, plus decades of training athletes, and so what you're gonna get is the most accurate, applicable programming advice, especially when he's speaking to an individual. And there's people out there like, Brett Contreras does a good job like this. Education plus lots of experience. But if you just get one side and not the other,

then it starts to get a little muddy. Although if I had to pick between studies and experience, I'll pick experience all day long. It's more valuable. Because you know why, because over years, decades, of training people, even if you didn't have the science, You figure it out.

You figure it out. Because you start to pick up on patterns, and that's all you need to be good at is recognizing, Oh, when I- It becomes predictable. Yeah. And so I do think that that weighs more. And so these, I mean, we get this a lot in our space.

These trainers that are, you know, young, but they're smart, they went through their schooling and they can argue the studies. Well, that's great. And I think it's very, very valuable to know that information. But there's something to be said about training. Because he's, it was exactly what he said is one of the main reasons why I love a full body over a split. It's not that it's not what the studies say. It's that most people don't make it to the gym five days a week every single week. It works better in the real world for most people. Yeah. That's how it plays out. Our next caller is Alayce from Australia. Alayce, how are you doing? How can we help you? Hi. Can you hear me okay? Yep, we can for now. Yes. Okay. Um, I'm just going to read my question.

There's been some updates since then, but I'll read it and we can go from there. Um, so I've been, I had been told a couple of times that I'm hyper mobile. Um, I'd always thought that that was maybe the case cause I was incredibly flexible. But, um, after reading more into how hypermobility can affect people, it's made me want to know more about how I can make sure I'm doing the right thing. And my question is, could my hypermobility be the reason that I've been so slow with getting gains after being really consistent for so many years or would that be other factors like maybe restricting food etc. I have maps on ebolic, performance and aesthetic. When I wrote this I said I hadn't completed any

of them yet I have nearly completed maps andS anabolic. I have really struggled over the past couple of years to get any real results unless it's extremely restrictive in terms of losing weight. So I'd love to know your advice on anything I can to make sure I'm optimizing anything I can do for someone with hypermobility and I'm not working against my body. Just for a bit of background, I have, all that kind of stuff. But for the last probably now six to seven years, I've been extremely consistent with strength training, like protein, track and at the moment we'll get to that.

Um, but yeah, is that, I'll stop there and then I'll give you a bit more information. Okay. So I have two questions for you. Um, the first one is who diagnosed you with hypermobility? And then the second question, I think you kind of answered, the second part is you are hitting adequate protein and calories now, correct? Yep. So I could probably count on one hand in the last five years, how many times I

haven't had at least 140 grams of protein. Okay, good. So, and who diagnosed me? So two different people that when I went to get a remedial massage, two different people that were doing it said that to me. Okay. So hypermobility is characterized by long ranges of motion, like really, really flexible, lack of stability, lack of strength, lack of stability, so kind of lax,

and sometimes repeated injury or pain in certain joints, like the hips. Is that, does that character, does that you? Um, I don't get pain, but I do sort of get a bit unstable in some exercises, some single leg exercises. Um, yeah, I don't get pain or injuries. Okay. So hypermobility, usually as a result of a central nervous system that isn't

firing effectively and controlling the muscles effectively for lack of a better term, which can affect her ability muscle, which will affect your ability to build muscle, it can cause higher risk of things like injury. The way you train with hypermobility is a little bit different. I've trained a couple clients with hypermobility. You don't do full range of motion. You stop yourself short of your deepest squat. Isometrics.

You pause at the bottom and hold. You pause halfway up and you hold you slow the reps down you try to intensify the connection and you use isometrics. Isometrics are your best friend. So the way it would look would be like let's imagine you're doing a barbell squat and let's say you could just sit all the way down because you're so flexible. Well I wouldn't have you sit all the way down. I'd stop you maybe five or six inches above that and then I'd hold that position so I'd squat down. I'd stop at the bottom for 10 seconds but don't just hold the weight or just hold the position but rather tense every muscle. Tense your

upper back, squeeze the bar, squeeze your calves, squeeze your glutes, squeeze your quads and make it a really really really intense squeeze, and then come up, take a couple breaths, and then repeat that again. And you can do that at different portions of the reps, halfway up, almost all the way at the bottom, or almost all the way at the top. By the way, dramatically reduce the weight when you do this.

Yes. Because the reps are so, so the tempo is so slow and you're intensifying it, it doesn't take much weight, so whatever you're used to doing, cut that in half. You have to teach, what you're doing is you're trying to train your central nervous system to connect and fire. So-

Needs to recruit and respond. Right, other than that, all the exercises remain the same so long as you can do them. But the goal is, can I connect to every quarter inch of this exercise? Do I feel tight in every part of my body as I'm doing this? Do I feel stable and strong? And the way you do that again is you find those places

and you pause and you tighten up and tense up. That's the way that you get better at this. And as you do that, you'll get stronger through your central nervous system and then that'll contribute to things like muscle pain. You'll build muscle for sure if you do that approach you'll get stronger through your central nervous system. And then that'll contribute to things like muscle. It'll build muscle for sure. If you do that approach. That's right.

And then have you, uh, have you intentionally done a bulk before, or do you, you know, try and hit your protein intake, but then you also kind of risk. Yep. So just after, um, so just a little bit more information. So in 2023, I sort of had the biggest results in terms of got down to, I don't know the exact amount, but I would say probably 17% body fat and I did a successful reverse diet and that was really good. I even went on a trip for a month and didn't really put on any weight, which was a huge win because historically

I would restrict, go on holiday, put on lots of weight and the cycle would just never end. So that was good. And then I kind of all of a sudden just put on weight again really easily later that year. And even though I was still extremely consistent, I'm someone who like go to the gym because I love it. It's not even out of pure aesthetics. I just love it. And I'll get up at 5 a.m. every day to go because... And also the same with food.

I just love health. I love healthy food. I don't eat processed food, all of that kind of thing. So then I was going in this cycle again and I couldn't eat processed food, all of that kind of thing. So then I was going in this cycle again and I couldn't understand why. So when I wrote this question, that was at the end of, it was only about a two and a half, three month bulk,

but even then I did feel like I was getting stronger, but I didn't feel like anything was changing. But this might help this next bit of information. So shout out to Megan Abbott and her team. I found her through one of the Mind Pump pages. I'm in all of the pages. I'm in the forum and then the two other free ones, the holistic health ones. I found her. I had already been working with a functional specialist here because I don't get a regular cycle and I haven't for five years. Um, she has now discovered I've got really high levels of mold and heavy metals in my system.

Um, which sort of brings me to my next spot. Would that be why I am struggling with the weight gain and the muscle game? Yes. Yes. Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

That's a big one. Okay. Yeah. That sort of, she said the same thing and that sort of gave me a bit of peace because out of everyone I know, I'm the most consistent, the most committed to the health and fitness. And I just, it's like I was going backwards. I was putting on weight last year. Like if anything I did just wouldn't help.

Um, but she's just given me that diagnosis just before Christmas and we're starting a pretty intense protocol, um, next month. So in terms of training, I've sort of had to scale that back. Basically I did start Matt Sanabona anabolic and I was pretty much done, but I mean, she said my body's not even absorbing any nutrients. So no wonder, like nothing's helping. So I guess my point is the next kind of six to eight months are going to be purely be spent on healing, getting that all done,

getting the mold out of my system, getting my gut right, getting my hormones right. But just to confirm, is that? Yes. Yes. Oh, yes. That's major. By the way, that'll affect your center. It'll be awesome.

By the way, that's always like as a coach and and a trainer when you have a client like you who's giving you this feedback Adam I'm not missing the gym Adam. I'm all Whole Foods Adam. I'm hitting my protein intake yet Somehow I'm magically putting bad weight on What is it every and you're checking all the boxes like right away as a trainer, you know to look into those things It's like oh, let's go get our blood work done. Let's go check the gut Let's go see cuz there's something probably else happening. If I've got a client who can consistently report to me the things that you were just saying to us that you're doing, that, that makes total sense. And to me, it's, and to me, it would be obvious something else is going on

here. If she's telling me all this and she's being honest that, and she's seeing this, there's got to be something else and that will do it. And I'm assuming you've now you've tested your environment, your home and stuff for these things, because you could have mold and metal toxicity because of your environment. Um, so I've, I think kind of going back to when my issues first started, it was when I was still living in New Zealand at uni and it was really damp houses and stuff. So what she thinks, cause since then I've moved multiple times and my

issues have kind of just gotten worse. So she thinks that it's happened back when I was living in those places for years at a time and now it's congregated in my gut. That could be true. I would still test where you're living because mold can travel with you. So you could bring it with your clothes or a pillow. I would still test your environment. I had to deal with this as well. But the detox process, I'm sure you can take chelating compounds and sauna and stuff like that. Once you get that out of your body, it's going to feel so different. Yeah. Okay. And so I guess what would I kind of do? I mean, I'm committed to, it was hard for me, you know, I'm barely doing two sessions

a week purely for mental health, but I'm not even really pushing it. And. Mouse fifteen. Sorry,'m not even really pushing. Um, MAPS 15. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. We lost you for a second. Yeah. We lost you, but I think I know what you're at. You're asking about the training, right? What we should do, what you should do lifting wise. Yeah. MAPS 15. MAPS 15 is where I'd put you. Yeah. Do MAPS 15 in that program. There's the advanced version, which is just with free weights. Do that one. Okay. It'll give you something. Sorry. I was just going to tell you that it'll give you

something to do every day the advanced version is about 20 minutes. It's low in a volume that you're not going to lose any muscle you'll be able to maintain what you have right now it'll give you something to do but if you're not pushing the body and flirting with over training. It'll give you something to do, but if you're not pushing the body, uh, and flirting with over training. Okay. And so when I sort of come out of this process, which I'm thinking might be in six or so months, what would be the best approach to kind of ramp back up to? If you stay with 15 through this process,

would you suggest doing like a symmetry or? That's fine. Yeah, symmetry would be great, especially since you have hypermobility. So if protocol would look like this for me, 15, so long as that's fine and we don't have any adverse effects from that and we have to scale back from that, but most likely 15 will be fine while you go through the process. When you come out of it, symmetry or anabolic is a great program to go into. And then from there, you're off and running. Okay.

And I know I kind of just got straight into things at the start. I was a bit nervous, you're off and right. Okay. And I know I kind of just got straight into things at the start. I was a bit nervous, but thank you so much. I've literally been listening to you for probably six or seven years now, and I send it to all of my friends. Like I, every time I see a new episode come out, I'm so excited. So thank you. And, and the groups on Facebook are incredibly helpful. They've helped me to get so many, so much help.

And so, yeah, like I said, I was working with a specialist here for, for so long and they couldn't figure out anything. And I had one 30 minute free call with Megan's team and they gave me more answers than I'd ever had. So, um, yeah, thank you so much. And you've given me a lot of peace. had one 30 minute free call with Megan's team and they gave me more answers than I'd ever had. So, um, yeah, thank you so much. I love you. You've got a lot of peace.

Oh, thank you. We appreciate the support. Thank you. Thank you. Lacey. Have you guys, uh, you've had clients that were hyper mobile, right? It's pretty wild. It is the first time I trained someone like that, cause you're taught, like

most people, like, oh, deep range of mode, that's a good thing. Yeah, and they're just like a baby deer. Yeah, and I mean I was like, oh what are we gonna do here? And I mean we just staining poses was difficult. And it made a huge difference in her stability. It was incredible. But yeah, hypermobility can lead to injury. I mean you're unstable. Yeah. And injury rates can be quite high with people like that. I'm just so excited, and just for the audience, that this is why we created all those free forums. So cool to hear somebody who knows this much

and has been listening to this, and has been doing a lot of the right things, that was something that ended up helping her that much. So that's awesome. Totally. Our next caller is Kaylyn from Arizona. Hi, Kaylyn. Hello. How can we help you? Wow. Hey, you guys. First of all, I just have to thank you like everybody does. Your content is absolutely amazing.

You definitely changed my life in multiple ways. Three and a half years ago, I was one of many women who thought that 12 to 1400 calories was appropriate, which had me stuck for a really long time. So again, just want to thank you for your content. Sal, I want to let you know I love hearing your journey as a new Christian. It's amazing. Adam and Justin and Doug, you guys are all amazing as well. I love what each one of you brings to this podcast. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

I'm super excited to be here. I'm super nervous too, so I'm just going to go ahead and read my email. Go for it. Okay. Thank you. All right. So I found you all in March of 2022 and I've

been listening every day since you guys changed my life and inspired me to get back into coaching again. I'm wrapping up my level one nutrition cert with NCI and I did go ahead and purchase all their courses so that it might help me start my online coaching business. However, I am struggling with my own personal fitness. I'm 51 years old, 5'5", update now I'm about 174 pounds, about 30% body fat.

And so I'm a health and fitness fanatic, but being 51 years old, I've been hit by the paramanopause train. I've been working with a naturopath doctor for about four years now, and hormones are balanced as well as they could be being rare paramanopausal. I'm on HRT.

I eat cleaner than everyone I know. I track my calories, my protein, my macros. I'm following all your programs. I've done anabolic a few times, performance, symmetry a few times, aesthetic, anabolic, oh, anabolic advanced, sorry, MAPS-15 and most recently MAPS Power Lift. And sorry, my screen's here, just went blank. So here's a little bit of background. So three years ago, I started gaining weight rapidly, like 35 pounds in six months. This was very devastating for me.

I shed many tears on a weekly basis. Thankfully, my husband was understanding and supportive, but this was primarily due to leaving my boot camp, hit coaching job and going to a mostly sedentary office job. Thankfully, through you, I learned that I had been over training and under eating for all those years I was there five plus. I heard about you guys talking about reverse dieting. So I took myself from about 1500 calories per day up to 25-2600 today over the course of about three months. Amazingly, I only gained a few pounds. I felt

really, really good. All my lifts improved. I was able to take my bench one rep max from 105 to 135, My squat from 185 to 215 and my deadlift from 185 to 225. I stayed at 2500 for about two months and then cut down to 1800 to 2000 without any weight loss or inches lost. I reversed and cut about three times now and still haven't lost any weight or body fat. The only times I've lost weight was I did another food sensitivity test that then revealed that I had a sensitivity to eggs in addition to dairy and gluten, which I already knew of. So once I cut out the eggs, I was able to lose seven pounds, I guess, of inflammation. The second time was through Dr. Cabral's 20-day detox. Again, something I learned from you guys.

I want seven pounds with that. This past July, my hormones just kind of went crazy. All of a sudden, I put on some of my waste, along with some other paramedic positive symptoms like anxiety, which was something new. My naturopath is at a loss as to why I can't lose the body fat We did some NAD injections for five weeks in a row and still nothing

He suggested going on some agglutide to help me get me on that like little set point I've been very resistant that to that but also kind of intrigued after hearing what dr Tina had to see on the subject, but I trust you guys and wanted to see what you guys had for me. Also, I just kind of want to look like a trainer and not like I need to hire one. Okay. I don't know if I would do GLP one with you. Have you, have you, what, when you do your cuts, uh, where do you go down to with your calories?

I probably right around that 1800 to 1900 mark. And if I don't see anything, then I. I'll take it down from there. calories? Probably right around that 1800 to 1900 mark. And if I don't see anything, then I'll take it down from there. I've gone as low as 1600 and still didn't see anything. And how long do you stay at the 1600 where you don't see anything? I did that for a couple months. Okay. Okay.

So this is where I would have you done heavy um, heavy metals, testing, mold, toxicity. Have you done parasite testing? Have you looked to see if there's anything else, uh, happening? Yeah, I have not done any of that yet. My, my next, uh, I guess Avenue with my doctor was going to be like some guts testing, like you mentioned the parasites. Cause I feel like my gut definitely could be an issue. Yeah.

Yeah, because- I also, Sal, also this, and I know you've experienced this too, when somebody who has been chronically over-training and under-eating for such a long period of time, their body adapts so fast to that low calorie, they just don't get to seem to get the same response that the average person who builds their calories up and then cuts it down, and sometimes it just takes a longer period of time of feed.

I mean, when you reverse dieted, those results are phenomenal. The fact that you were able to go from 1800 to 2600 calories, only see a few pounds on the scale, see strength gains go across the board, tells me that's your body finally thanking you going, thank you for giving me what I need. And probably should just kind of stayed there for a while. Because, and to me, what would be that signal was if you were a client and you said, Adam, I just want to cut for a little bit. And then we did. And then I saw the way your body responded. I'd say, listen, your body just, it ain't ready for that yet. It ain't ready to go right back to that again. It wants to be taken care of and fed and

build strength and build muscle for longer before we dabble in these cuts because you become so resilient to low calorie and high intensity training for so long that it just doesn't, it's not novel to your body. Your body's like, oh yeah, I know what goes on here. Let's get used to this. And so it, it needs a longer period of time. Feeling safe. Yeah. That's the way. If nothing else is going on, right? If you've done the testing and there's no gut stuff or no, nothing going on with that hormones or balance, then the next thing I would say is we just probably should stay in a higher

calorie and strength train. When you said that your hormones went crazy, was it just out of the blue? It felt like it was out of the blue. All of a sudden I was experiencing anxiety, which is, I mean, I'm thankful I've really never experienced that in the past. So all of a sudden I had this anxiety out of nowhere and I noticed my clothes getting tighter. So I hopped up on the scale and was shocked that it was seven pounds up. And then I measured, did some measurements and yeah, it was thicker in the waist as well.

How does your, what's your lifestyle like? Do you have a high stress job? Not really, I mean, it's been a little stressful the last, I don't know, handful of months, but I mean, really it's not a high stress job. Okay. Kind of my daily schedule. I, and I try to be,

I try to be intentional about my sleep as well. Just again, learning from you guys, that sleep is super important. I try to go to bed between 8.30 and nine because I do have to get up early. I like to work out in the morning. That's really my only opportunity too. So I hit the gym at 4.30 in the morning.

I'm there for an hour or to an hour and 15 minutes. I get to work just after seven, get home just after five, have a little bit of time to do dinner and wind down and then that's my day. Yeah, step number one, I would get tested for heavy metal mold. I would get gut health testing parasites.

Look and see if you can find parasites. The reason why I'm saying that is when you see big fluctuations in weight out of nowhere or you do a detox, you do seven pounds of inflammation is what it sounds like, that tells me there's there might be something else going on and if one of those is the issue then you got the solution. Now if you do that testing they're like look you don't have any mold toxicity, there's no heavy metal issues, we didn't find any parasites,

then I would go back to what Adam said. I had a client like this and it took us a year, it literally took a year, because we would do this reverse diet back, reverse diet back down, nothing would happen. And so what I did is I kept her at a nice maintenance, slightly above maintenance for a year. So for a full year, it's like, we're just going to stay here and we're

just going to get strong and then we did a cut and her body responded. So, and now leading to that, she was a chronic overtrainer, chronic dieter. Like for years and years and years, that's just what she did. And my theory is that the body has a memory, maybe it's the central nervous system and you cut the calories by like, I've been here before, that's just what she did. And my theory is that the body has a memory, maybe it's the central nervous system and you cut the calories by like, I've been here before let's adapt. So, but before all of that, I would get the, like I said, heavy metal testing, uh, get the testing for

mold toxicity, uh, parasites, gut health and start there. And then if that looks good, then, then I'd keep you, you know, if your upper limit's 2,500, you dropped down to 1,900, I'd keep you like 2,200 for a while and just stay there for a long time. Okay.

Okay. So question with that, so, and that's kind of what I was thinking I needed to do was to get some of that testing done, uh, to eliminate that or just figure that out. Going forward for right now, so I kind of gave up, I, let's see, I was doing power lift through November and December, just figuring well I'll take advantage of the extra calories there at that

time. Four weeks in though I injured my shoulder a little bit, I feel like it might be my labrum, so I just kind of backed off. I've been working on anabolic just to keep it basic. But I guess any thoughts on what I should be doing next? Symmetry. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, let's do symmetry. Do you have it? I do. Oh, good. Do symmetry. I like symmetry and keeping your calories at least 22 to 2400 around that range. Just keep it there. Yeah. Stay in that range while you get all this testing and get to the bottom of this.

Because that might just be like a good sweet spot. Because I mean, I'm impressed with the response from the bulk. That's a really good response from the bulk. Yeah, I lose too. Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, that's like a home run response for a client. To be able to increase their calories that much

significantly, the scale that moves, see all the strength gains, the body fat percentage. I mean, that's such a great, great, great example of your body really taking care of itself and doing what it's supposed to do. The fact that it didn't give you the response body fat-wise by dramatically cutting that much tells me there's either something else going on or your body has just become that adapted to that low calorie, high intensity. And you know, what led me to kind of point the direction of the testing is, well, here's another sign, right?

Well, the anxiety is a big sign. And you said my hormones went crazy. That's interesting. If you're on hormone replacement therapy, that hasn't solved all of those strange symptoms, anxiety, sleep issues, hot, cold intolerance, energy up, energy down, and it helped a little bit, but it's like still I'm kind of like what's going on? That makes me think okay, there might be something else happening.

Gotcha, okay. Any thoughts on, so prior to July, like by June, I'd be kind of hanging on around like 160, 163 for a while and had been doing really good there. And then like I said, in July, I put on another seven and then over the last little bit I put on even put on some more. Do you, is any thoughts on that or is it probably what we just kind of explained there? Yeah, maybe. I mean, did anything change or is it probably, well we just kind of explained there. Yeah, maybe.

I mean, did anything change or is it just like out of nowhere? No. You're tracking everything and nothing changed. Yeah. Well, now I did, I, let's see it, it started in November just because I knew if I was going to be doing power lift, I was slowly reversing again. Um, but this time I definitely gained more weight than I had in the past when I did a reverse

Yeah, where are you at right now? Right now I dropped back down to like the 18 1900 range just cuz I was just getting really frustrated with all my clothes We're feeling yeah, you're fine. I keep looking keep it around to Around 2000 up a couple hundred down a couple hundred and just stay there for a while until you get the test results back if the test Results come back negative still stay there. I mean, I like I like you around 22 2400 the fact that 2600 gave you what you saw results Tells me that's you're probably need closer to that and maybe 20 stay between 22 and 24 Will probably allow some days where you're a little under on calories some days

You're in a little bit of a surplus and if we do it just right, maybe we can just have this beautiful exchange of add a little muscle, lose a little bit of body fat, maybe that's what'll happen. I don't disagree, I mean I said a little lower just because she just suddenly gained weight. Yeah. But I don't disagree.

Okay. I would love for you to follow up with us after the testing, anytime we have an interesting case. Yeah, I, and just, I would love for you to follow up with us after the testing. Uh, anytime we have a, uh, an interesting case, when you get those results, let us know. Cause I'd love to have you back on the show. If we see something. Okay.

Yeah, absolutely. I would love to be back on. Okay. And then hopefully we see you, uh, I don't know if you've been coming to the webinars or not, but, uh, you know, Sal and I every other month have been doing the free webinars for the trainers. So hopefully we see you in there. Yes.

I've been able to attend one. A lot of them, I have to watch the replays. Um, I just, it's, it's a time issue between my training with my clients and trying to get you guys and my, um, NCI, uh, courses as well. At least you're watching the replays. That's good. That's awesome. Absolutely.

All right. Thank you. All right. Thank you guys. Appreciate you so much. You got it. Absolutely. All right. Thank you. All right. Thank you guys. Appreciate you so much. You got it Those were clients like that were

Challenging as hell. Yeah, but also very rewarding. Yeah, but it was like a puzzle. All right. What is going on? What's the piece? What's what's gonna lock? She did say something. I know she I know she said july not much change But I heard her say two things that kind of conflict a little bit She made the case of like oh, you know I decided I'd go on this reverse diet or bulk because it was the holidays. I would just use the extra calories to my benefit. What does that look like? Yeah. And so, you know, maybe some of the weight gain over the holidays was your reverse diet was a little bit more. It was higher than you said. Yeah, higher than you said because you were enjoying,

because those foods can creep up real fast. You have what you think is a tiny slice or something. Oh, 300 calories more. Yeah, yeah. So that to me, that might be the, which is why I thought maybe that was why she put on a little bit extra during that time. I don't know. But this is, I've had this.

I've had clients before. Yeah, but it's not super common. Yeah. But when you get it, you get a fuss about it. And let me tell you, it's tough to get that client who, you know, they wanna lose 15 pounds or so, you know, 15, 20 pounds they wanna get off, and they're sort of not quite where they want to be. But yet we got great results when we reverse dieted them as far as strength, building muscle

and not putting weight on. For somebody who is trying to lose weight, then you need to understand that being able to increase your calories by 800 calories and not gain much weight at all is a huge win, huge win. So that's such a positive sign of moving in that direction. But then when I go right back and I say pull 800 or 1000 calories off and they don't see any weight loss from it. I mean that a lot of times is from somebody who just was chronically under eating for so long. Yeah, the person I had lived at 1000 calories, ran all the time. We reversed her up to, I don't remember what it was, 23, 24 hundred calories. And I'd cut her. I'd cut her down to 1600 calories and she'd lose like two pounds.

Yeah. And then it hit a plateau. What is going on? Yeah, they lose a little bit and most of that's just water because they were eating so many then less and then in a hard plateau. Yeah. And I'm like, what is happening? Well, and you heard her say, right? She said, you know, I was, you know, chronic over train. Chronic. She was doing hit, hit boot camps and 1400 calories. So, and that, she had that as a job.

And you know as a trainer how much you move. Oh yeah. So you're moving a lot. And if you're, and who knows if you're doing some of the class, those, some of the boot camp stuff with them. Like yeah, that's a. I know, well Courtney experienced that a bit with the anxiety and you know, attributed more to the Hashimoto's

now and like thyroid issues. But she's obviously, you know, kind of taking meds for thyroid, but yeah, it's a conundrum. Right, look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump, Justin. I'm at Mind Pump to Stefano, Adam's at Mind Pump Battle.

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