Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2529: Trying to Lose Weight? Avoid These 3 Common “Healthy” Breakfast Choices (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:01:44 three common healthy breakfast choices. If you eat these, it's going to be really hard. And the first one, avocado toast. Oh, you just broke every chick's heart. I know. It tastes like staple brunch. Avocado toast somehow got. Every fitness influencer chick's going to be coming after you

Starting point is 00:02:02 for this one. Totally. It got put into this category of like it's a good. Why? Why? Because it's got avocado in it. Because it's a super food. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:11 That's the only reason why, because avocado is considered a super food. Healthy fats. And it's not even low calorie really, it's like. It's well it's high, here's the problem with it. There's nothing necessarily wrong with avocado, toast, not necessarily wrong with it, although I'd say I typically don't recommend bread for most people, but nothing necessarily wrong with it. But what you're doing in the morning with this is you're having no protein, carbohydrates, and fats.

Starting point is 00:02:36 Fats, to an extent, help with satiety. They also help the insulin spike that you get from carbohydrate intake a little bit, but not like protein. If you're trying to hit a fat loss goal, protein should be what you go after. It helps with satiety, it helps with muscle preservation at the least, muscle building at best, and it blunts the blood sugar insulin spike that you get from consuming food, which you want to do because if you get these high spikes and low drops, which is what happens when you have just sugar or just sugar and fats even to a lower degree, but you still get it, is you have these changes in how you feel, cravings, energy crashes,

Starting point is 00:03:15 that result in more challenging time to stick to a normal diet, or a good diet I should say. So avocado toast by itself for breakfast, not a great choice if you're trying to lose weight. Who started that trend? Any ideas? Social, reality shows, reality TV shows. Are you just saying that?

Starting point is 00:03:33 No, because my daughter's 15, and then she started, she's like, avocado toast, I'm like, where'd you figure this out? Yeah, probably TikTok. It's in like every cafe now, yeah. It's very popular. Avocado toast has been more popular before TikTok, and I don't think TikTok is responsible

Starting point is 00:03:45 for it. Maybe an old reality show? There's got to be somebody or like somebody famous who made it a thing. Google it. Who made avocado toast popular? To be fair, it tastes good. But when we were growing up, it wasn't even a thing. No, avocado in general wasn't a thing, period. That's what I'm saying. So something happened in culture to make this phenomenon where it's the thing that. I do wanna say though,

Starting point is 00:04:10 if this is what you like to have for breakfast, you could make this not a bad choice if you eat something high protein with it or first. Then it's not that big of a deal. It is high calorie, but it's not that big of a deal if you had like 30 grams of protein with this. Now you've got the proteins, the healthy fats, and you're getting the benefits of protein. Who is it? Who is it? Gwyneth Paltrow. I knew it! I knew it! Yeah, you hit the nail on the head.

Starting point is 00:04:34 Ah, the goop. I knew it! Oh, no kidding. Does it say like it was during like a show? Like in 2013, she published a cookbook that had that as a recipe in recipe. It's like a real hard recipe. However, some would argue that an Australian back in 1993 popularized it initially. Well yeah maybe she got it from there. Bill Granger. And then she brought it over here. But there were definitely in the States this was not a thing when we were growing up. And I remember it became a phenomenon. Like all of a sudden every girl I knew was eating, you know having a cup of coffee at Starbucks and avocado toast was like You know the trainer in me goes like why why you know what what what made you think that's a good idea

Starting point is 00:05:14 Yeah, I again avocados a healthy food in general healthy fats Yeah, but that's just Almonds are sure you know, but nobody tells you to have a handful of almonds with an English muffin. You combine something that has some good, some, you know, good health properties to it with high palatability, which if you have you guys had avocados, it's really good.

Starting point is 00:05:38 You're gonna have a trend. That's all right. But okay, first I think we should paint the context. There's no cheese. A good breakfast. It's not very good. A good breakfast that helps with weight loss should have the following. It should have protein in it and it should help with satiety and help with blood sugar control. And a high protein breakfast will do that.

Starting point is 00:05:59 Avocado toast has none of that. It's got fat, some fiber and carbohydrates, and it's also high calorie on top of it. You're also consuming, you know, if you eat a whole, how many calories in a whole avocado? Like 400 calories. I can't wait for the editing team to edit this one for the clip. It's going to be like, Gwyneth Paltrow's wrong. That's true. That's true. But if you eat high protein with this, you have like six scrambled eggs and then you have this.

Starting point is 00:06:26 Who's doing that though? No chicken scrambling six eggs and then having an avocado toast. That's just not happening. But most women with their goal, most women I would say probably should start with around 30 grams of protein in the morning. So large avocado, okay, 320 calories.

Starting point is 00:06:41 How big is a large avocado? 200 grams. I don't know. You know how it is with these things. Yeah, that's why you be careful. You know, I never like stuff like this because small, medium, and large, a lot of times they're using numbers that date way back to like the size of all of our fruits, vegetables, everything is grown

Starting point is 00:07:01 significantly and there's no such thing as a small avocado. No, yeah. You know, Courtney just ordered one of these recently when we were at this cafe and it was like the bread alone looked almost like a pound cake. It was so big. It was like, this is a toast? Like it just classifying it is weird. Where were we just at? She just had that.

Starting point is 00:07:20 It was massive actually. We just had it. Typically we would get a slice of sourdough bread that's this might be right that is right that's where she got it this was a half moon bay yeah I was like that's so funny you guys could train a word effort efficient was like quarter of it she got it it was the this is like 800 calories massive no protein it was massive I was like oh my god it's the biggest that's so funny I was like how did you guys do the same thing so it's all carbohydrates fats no proteins whatsoever yeah Next, a lot of people think this is really healthy.

Starting point is 00:07:47 And people will get this in pursuit of better health and fat loss. And that's a fruit smoothie. Fruit smoothies, again, have almost no protein, unless you add a bunch of protein to it. But what you've done with fruit when you blend it up is you've pre-digested it and dramatically increased its blood sugar impact on you. So you've made something,

Starting point is 00:08:09 because like for example berries, if you eat berries, you eat an actual berry, it's high fiber, yeah it's got sugar, not a ton, but it's high fiber and it doesn't cause these crazy spikes in blood sugar, but if you take a bunch of berries and blend the hell out of them. Yeah, there's no slowing it down to really digest it. It's like almost immediate hit.

Starting point is 00:08:26 That's right. Yeah, I blame all the Cal Poly kids for this one. Yeah. Like Cal Poly kids. That's where that's who invented Jamba Juice. Oh, that's right. It was a senior project. Jamba Juice was a senior project from a couple kids from Cal Poly

Starting point is 00:08:39 who started the first Jamba Juice. And then obviously it was exploded. But how long did people, I mean, I'm sure you guys remember trained clients who thought Jamba Juice and then obviously it was exploded. But how long did people, I mean, I'm sure you guys remember training clients who thought Jamba Juice was a good choice. I mean, I remember there was diets like directly around these like smoothies and it was like the whole smoothie diet. Like it was this huge for awhile when we were growing up.

Starting point is 00:08:57 I remember the first time I looked up the Nutrifax on like a smoothie. Oh, they're like 600 calories, 700 calories. I mean, they get up to a thousand calories and they're just sugar. What you've done is you've dramatically, so let me just paint the picture here, you've dramatically increased your ability to consume more fruit.

Starting point is 00:09:13 Fruit by itself is not bad. If you had fruitless, again, with some protein in the morning, you'd be well off. But if you, but there's an amount of fruit that you can eat when you eat it in its natural form. Got the skin and everything like that. Yeah, you're not gonna eat, you know 600 calories worth of berries But if I blended them and especially if I added some you know, non-fat milk and some whatever flavor in there

Starting point is 00:09:34 Yeah, yogurt or ice cream. It's gonna make it really palatable I can consume way more than I normally would and I get this tremendous amount of calories with this with this Impact on my blood sugar that resembles a soda simply because we have broke it down so much I'm not saying it's worse than a soda or as bad as a soda But from a satiety standpoint calorie standpoint for fat loss, it's not a great choice. Oh, you can make the argument It's worse I know you don't want to do that because I know people are gonna freak out when you say that but if I mean a can of soda is what 160 160 calories, 30 grams of sugar,

Starting point is 00:10:06 a small Jamba juice, or who the is, try 300 to 500 calories and try more like- I guess when you're weighing everything out, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm pretty sure it was at Jack LaLanne. It was like, tried real hard to get everybody to juice everything, so it was easier for them. So in terms of it being a health thing, I think that's probably where it started in that culture. I will say this, many of, if I'm not mistaken, Jack Alain's juices were vegetable based.

Starting point is 00:10:30 Vegetable, vegetable. That's how it was. Which are low calorie, and what he's doing is he's trying to maximize nutrient intake. Nutrient intake. Now I'm not a huge fan of that either, I think it's oversold. But it's not the same thing as a fruit smoothie.

Starting point is 00:10:41 Fruit smoothies are ridiculous, they're high in calorie. Even if you add protein, most fruit smoothie places, when you say add a scoop of protein, you're getting eight grams. Eight grams of protein is typically what you got. Maybe 20 if you have like double it up or something. Yes, but even then you're looking at, you know, 60 grams of sugar blended to have a high sugar impact on your body. Again, the glycemic index went through the roof. You add eight grams of protein. It's not going to do a whole lot. So smoothies, if you're trying to lose weight,

Starting point is 00:11:09 it's not a great way to start your day. The last one, and this one I know is going to be the most controversial, the unhealthy breakfast choice for someone trying to lose weight is skipping breakfast. Ooh, I like this one. I like this one because I think that a lot of people are doing that. Fasting is as popular, more popular than ever. People find that they do these eating windows and they lose some weight and so they think it's a successful way to lose weight. But when we go back and we talk about every single client I ever trained, every single

Starting point is 00:11:46 one of them struggled to hit their protein intake. And if you take a meal out of their day, it's already hard to get a high protein breakfast as it is. And if they completely skip it and they don't eat till lunch or one or two in the afternoon, it is so hard to hit that protein intake. And if I've got this client on a fat loss journey and I'm strength training with them and I'm trying to build muscle and build their metabolism,

Starting point is 00:12:08 skipping breakfast is like one of the worst things that we could do. You're behind all day. Yes. It also encourages, when you look at, you know, if you want a long-term successful, you know, relationship with nutrition, you want a relationship that's healthy with food.

Starting point is 00:12:24 And what this tends to promote is a binge restrict type of relationship with food. So whenever I would train up now, fasting for spiritual reasons, I love it. I think it's incredible. I think it's amazing. Fasting for certain medical conditions makes sense. Sometimes it's oversold for the average person. All the health benefits of fasting when they show in studies are pretty much matched with calorie restriction. There may be some

Starting point is 00:12:47 benefits for certain medical situations, gut health issues and stuff like that, in which case your functional medicine practitioner will tell you, let's not have you eat for this many hours, to you know, whatever, give your gut a break or whatever they determine. But generally speaking, what you see when people do this is they start to adopt this behavior where it's like restrict, restrict, restrict, eating time, binge, binge, binge. Even if they eat healthy, here's what I've seen with clients. Even clients who were super disciplined in the beginning and didn't reach for unhealthy

Starting point is 00:13:17 foods when it was time to eat, the speed at which they ate the food that they were going to eat was fast. This is what you notice. I would ask my clients this, when you're done with your fasting window and it's time to eat at 1pm, 2pm, whatever, pay attention to how fast you eat your food. They come back to me and go, it's really crazy you said that, Sal. I'm like scarfing it down. That's a relationship you're developing with food that isn't a long-term healthy one that

Starting point is 00:13:42 is going to be able to stick around with, you know, and succeed from. So skipping meals, again, unless it's for spiritual purposes, I don't think it's a great idea. So you bring up skipping meals and breakfast. My sister-in-law, this was a conversation that we recently had, and she's like a just have coffee. And I had her start doing the paleo valley

Starting point is 00:14:02 inside her coffee, and she's like swearing. Oh, so she had some protein in there. Yeah, the Paleo Valley inside her coffee and she's like, sweared. Oh, so she had some protein in there. Yeah, and the salted caramel inside the coffee is unbelievable. And Paleo Valley's protein powder is like, you can scoop so much of it in and it doesn't like, you know, like some protein powders you scoop and it's like all thick in yogurt,

Starting point is 00:14:20 like it's so thin that you could do double, triple scoops in there and so you get a real high protein intake mixed in coffee. Amazing. I got her to start doing that because she was, again, she was in this camp of, well, I don't eat bad for breakfast. I just don't eat. I just have coffee. And then I have my first meal at this and then I'm like, sis, you're never going to hit your protein intake. So here's one of our ways that we can sort of solve that. And by the way, when you take somebody who was a meal skipper for breakfast, and they've been doing that for a long period of time, it's really hard to get that person to eat

Starting point is 00:14:49 a full meal that's 40 grams of protein because their body's adapted. So this was a great way to get her to start to introduce higher protein in the morning like that and also enjoy it. And she's already drinking coffee. so that's been like amazing. You know, it's funny, by the way, some psychologists will actually recommend for people to work with mild anxiety to eat protein in the morning, because it helps control cortisol and helps regulate hormones.

Starting point is 00:15:22 So some people notice lower anxiety as a result of eating some protein in the morning as well. In fact, Jordan Peterson talked about this a while ago, how he says he recommends people wake up and eat an egg or some kind of protein to kind of balance you out. Skipping breakfast, this can happen for men, but it's more common for women. You'll see functional medicine practitioners

Starting point is 00:15:42 will often tell their female clients, remember first off, just to be clear, they have a self-selection bias of people who are having health issues. So they're not working with just everybody. They're working with people who go to them because they're like, I can't figure out why I feel this way, why I feel why my hair is thinning, why I feel cold all the time, my energy is weird. Oftentimes, they're people who fast, and they'll say, first things first, eat breakfast. Because it's gonna help regulate your body because it can cause hormone imbalances

Starting point is 00:16:10 more often in women. I had a female client that I did this with when fasting started becoming a thing. I remember lots of clients were trying it, and this woman was fasting. Now she was already high stress, she was already type A, she was a mother on top of it. And I remember she fasted for a while.

Starting point is 00:16:25 She started noticing her hair starting to fall out. She used to have all these symptoms of like too much stress. I worked with a functional medicine practitioner and he's like, have her, she needs to start eating breakfast. And that was part of her protocol to kind of balance things out. So anyway, I want to address this. There's this like viral debate I saw one of our editors send us. Oh, the one Danny sent over? Yes. So this is Mike Isriotel. Love the guy, by the way. I like the way he communicates fitness. Smart dude. And there was, there's this trainer or this online coach. And I want to say he's a, is he a physical therapist?

Starting point is 00:17:00 I don't know his background. His name is Ben Yates. He's got a pretty big Instagram page. I don't know if you guys remember, were some things that we he had we had disagreed on a long time ago I don't remember what it was though. Okay, so I've seen his page. I've been familiar with his stuff He's well, you know, he's one of those trainers that their most all their content is, you know finding other What's wrong with what? Nuances he can gotcha. But yeah, I saw the argument. It was over, Mike Isretel loves to do these bicep curls.

Starting point is 00:17:32 I've watched actually several videos of him doing them. He's talked about them on some interviews because I've consumed quite a bit of his content. Like one of his favorite places to do a bicep curl is in this kind of lying back. Incline. Yeah, incline, like in a real extreme position to where he's like in this complete stretched position.

Starting point is 00:17:47 Almost looks like a Peck fly position to where he's holding, but he's putting the bicep in the stretch position. And he talks a lot about the benefits of training muscles in the fully stretched position. Data shows us. The data shows that when you look at the full range of motion of an exercise, The data shows that when you look at the full range of motion of an exercise, when a muscle is loaded under stretch, it has the loudest hypertrophy signal. In other words, if we were to compare all the ranges of motion, or let's say we were to compare exercises apples to apples, but this one loads you in the stretch, this one loads you, let's say at the shortened range or the mid-range of the exercise, the stretch-loaded exercise will build more muscle.

Starting point is 00:18:28 And by the way, bodybuilders have observed this for decades, but we now have studies that show that this indeed is the case, that when you load a muscle in stretch, this is why some of the squat versus hip thrust studies show that they build glutes similarly even though a hip thrust is more of a direct glute exercises because the squat loads the glutes in a stretch position you'll see this with other exercises so what people are doing is like oh let me put more stretch exercises into my routine to build more muscle and strength the in range a standing barbell curls not going to stretch your bicep well that's the reason why I like this before you go

Starting point is 00:19:06 there is that the the bicep tends to be one of the more challenging places to do this. Yeah. When you look at all the standard machines and exercises that people do for the for the bicep which is why I've always loved it incline. I think we all have. We've thought we've programmed it. It's programmed in many most of our programs. Right we have we have incline bicep curls in a lot of them for that reason. It's one of the few ways that you can get a really good full stretch in the bicep. Yeah, so here's the deal with the bicep,

Starting point is 00:19:31 if I just extend my arm, my bicep is fully lengthened, but I'm not really getting a full stretch and I'm limited by my elbow. Like my elbow joint doesn't bend anymore. The way I get a stretch on my bicep is if I bring my arm back behind my body, because the long head of the bicep attaches over the shoulder joint. So here it's not stretched, but if I bring my arm way back here, I'll start to feel my bicep stretch. So incline curls does

Starting point is 00:19:53 that, right? And so this guy, Ben Yates says that biomechanically speaking, the fulcrum or the point of contact should be at the elbow, not letting the shoulder hang, because you're just stretching the shoulder, not necessarily the bicep. I think he's right and wrong. I think he's right from a biomechanical standpoint. I think though he's wrong though, because he forgets that the bicep,

Starting point is 00:20:18 the long head attaches over the shoulder joint, and the bicep, a lot of trainers and coaches don't know this, it doesn't just flex the elbow, it also brings the humerus up in front of the body because of where it attaches. Which by the way. So it's got two functions, it's not a huge function of it but that's part of it. So hanging the arm down, letting it stretch at the shoulder, it does give you a better bicep stretch. It does. So Mike Israel-Tel, in my opinion, is picking the better way of doing this. Yeah, I mean again, this is a, the reason why I like, and I, and I hope, I love that

Starting point is 00:20:48 our team is sending stuff like this over. Cause I like to comment and talk about this because this is where we lose so many people, right? We, we try and find another professional in the space and we tear apart something they're doing and it's always great if it's somebody who's trending right now, like Mike is everywhere all over the place, for rightfully so too, right? He puts out incredible content.

Starting point is 00:21:11 He's really smart. And it's like, oh, can I find something he's doing that I can pick apart? And I think the people that do this, I'm not a fan of this because you think you're helping the community by making an argument but then you lose a lot of people. Now a lot of people that follow this guy might not ever do that exercise because he made

Starting point is 00:21:34 a good biomechanical argument for it. Gravity is not directly opposing the bicep right there. And so you're right, there's a part of his argument that has some truth to it He's saying that the lever is so long that you want what he's showing behind He showed he showed he showed you could get the same idea By laying across a bench and I'll have Doug post the video so the viewers can see this But he shows a picture of them the guy laying with the position same position with the elbow supported But if the elbow's supported,

Starting point is 00:22:05 then it doesn't get that stretch in the shoulder. Right. Then the pressure is on that. And again, I agree, I disagree with the arguments making. Because then this isn't that different than a basic concentration. But also, by the way, I don't know a lot about Ben Yates. I looked through some of his stuff.

Starting point is 00:22:23 He's a smart dude. But here's where the bodybuilders tend to win. By the way, Mike Isriotel isn't just a bodybuilder. He's also highly educated, so he's got both. Try both. Go do both exercises. The way Ben Yates is showing that curl, that one sucks. That would way do the one that Mike, try it out yourself. You just sit across the bench edgewise, put your elbows here. It's not gonna feel nearly the same

Starting point is 00:22:48 as laying on an incline bench. You know, you bring up old, you know, you bring up bodybuilders, right? And you know me, I've always been like defending the bro science on here, right? And so, because there's a lot of things that we pick apart that they did that when you actually do it and you perform it, like you get it now. So what used to be really common in the bodybuilding world is to rock

Starting point is 00:23:09 your shoulders at the end of the bicycle curl. So old school bodybuilders would curl and then finish the curl here and they curl all the way up. And that ended up being something that we tore apart. Yeah. Oh, that's the front delts lifting the elbows. Yes. And it's like, and the reason why they're doing it is to get that full contraction by doing it, because there is a little bit. Now, we're splitting hairs. How much more is that going to develop your bicep?

Starting point is 00:23:32 And the biomechanic police can come over and try and tear that apart. But that was the reason why. That's true. There is. It is true. And this is another example of like, you know, we really love to try and rag on a lot of

Starting point is 00:23:45 the bodybuilders and how they've trained for so long. But a lot of them have figured that stuff out just from trial and error, whether they understood the science or the biomechanics of it or not. They figured out like, God, I could definitely feel a difference. And if you can feel a difference, if you ever take a bicep curl and just curl it to what you think is full contrast, squeeze your bicep and then bring your shoulder up and see how you feel. Exactly, squeeze a rock of l'amore and tell me if you don't feel more of a pump. What you're doing is you're bringing both points

Starting point is 00:24:09 closer together by lifting the elbow. So it shortens the bicep even more and that's part of the bicep function. That's biomechanics, not a huge part, but it does do that, it does do that as well. To me, the real point of why I like talking about this stuff to the audience is because I care more about the person who's just trying to get in the gym and work out and here you you know Maybe you're a fan of both these guys and now you're lost right? I'm like, when do I do?

Starting point is 00:24:35 Yeah, I'm a huge Mike Israel tell fan. I'm a I like this Ben Yates guy He's really smart and like now they're now I'm being pitted against the two of them like now I got to choose like who's who more, and it's just like, man, this is the problem with our space when we do stuff like this, where we pick apart people's content, especially good people putting out good stuff. I'm all for smashing the content that is just wrong and bad and hurting people.

Starting point is 00:25:00 But that wasn't wrong, and he titled it, debunking the something myth. What he could've said was, hey, here's another version that I like to do. Yeah, totally fine. Yeah. I'm sorry this one you guys found an argument that I give literally two shits about. I'm like, wow, it is so like minuscule the difference. 100%. You know with bicep curls in general, but I understand where you guys are coming from with that because it's it's a feel thing too

Starting point is 00:25:26 And it's like if you're trying to debunk, you know His entire philosophy with that it better be like substantial. It's nice of snow. No, that's what I mean Like it better be something like if you're gonna come after somebody especially somebody who puts out good content in my opinion You better have a really good reason to tear it apart because it's completely not valid, right? It has to be like, that's bullshit science, that doesn't work, that's totally wrong, or that could hurt you, here's a better way. It's like, nah, do it both ways

Starting point is 00:25:54 and tell me you'll feel different. And see what happens. Mike Isretel's version is the one that everybody does because it's 10 times better. But it is interesting because muscles have actions that oftentimes, the know, the average person or average trainer doesn't even know. Like the pecs, for example, we know that the pecs

Starting point is 00:26:10 brings a humerus across the body, right? Where the horizontal adduction of the humerus, right? But did you know it also internally rotates the humerus? A lot of people don't know that, so when you do a fly, if you bring your hands down a little, but you actually get a little bit more action from the pecs. But it's so small, who cares?

Starting point is 00:26:25 I would never make that point. I would only make that point to sound smart like I just did right now. Well, no, or if somebody's asking that direct question, like hey, if I internally rotate this, do I get more of this? I guess I would address like that. This is the type of stuff, though,

Starting point is 00:26:39 you never talk about this to a client. And because of social media, we've turned into so many of these nuances into these debates and then got into camps. And then it becomes this, again, like I said, there's definitely a kid, I guarantee you, hopefully is listening to this, who probably likes both those guys. And now is lost. They're on a quest for the biggest bicep you possibly build. Or now he thinks that one guy's more right because he did the latest review. Who knows

Starting point is 00:27:03 if Mike- You know what happens is you identify with one or the other. because he did the latest review. Who knows if Mike really sponsored it. You know what happens is you identify with one or the other. Like you're either the jacked, you know, dude. Right, right, right. Or you're like the, you know, not so jacked, but super, you know, you're trying to be smart. Academic trainer.

Starting point is 00:27:13 Yeah, that's totally what it is. I know. You know, I had a thought this morning around nutrition that I thought I would love to bring you guys and see what you guys think about it. Because I think this is, I thought about it long and hard. I went through it in my mind, forward and backward. And I think it's true.

Starting point is 00:27:29 I think it's true. And I think this is why, but I want to run by you guys. And I think this is why the extreme, one of the reasons why extreme diets tend to gain traction. So my thought was that the more an extreme diet is, the louder its supporters are going to be because if you follow, if you're one of those rare individuals that follows an extreme diet, then maybe it does work for you and now you're going to fight for it. For example, there are people out there that are super, that have so many immune reactions

Starting point is 00:28:02 to foods, maybe not allergies, but they get lots of, just lots of reactions, inflammation, joint pain, intolerances, right? That a carnivore diet will change your life. And the people who are so loud about carnivore diets are those people. And it's gonna sound like it's great for everybody. Because it resolved the major issues that they're dealing with.

Starting point is 00:28:22 So I feel like extreme diets have really loud proponents because the ones that it works for are the ones where they are different than most people. Like I said, like carnivore diet, like Michaela Peterson, she needs to eat carnivore diet. It saved her life. Most people, terrible. I don't know if it's... So I don't disagree. Do you think that... It's not that I don't think I disagree with you as much as I think that there's a greater reason for what's

Starting point is 00:28:46 happening. So, and I don't know if it's necessarily, maybe hear me out and you can tell me if I'm aligning or I'm disagreeing with you in this situation. So this morning, you weren't on the call, but our YouTube guy, right, who was following analytics always and is breaking down everything that we say and do and is always trying to like help us shape content, right? So it's found by more people. You know, one of the things that is proven is that when we say something very direct, short, and simple, we get the most traction, the most views, the most share. And so what I think happens with the like into your point with extreme diets,

Starting point is 00:29:23 another way of saying extreme diets is also simplistic. One thing, only meat. No nuance. Yes. Only this. Explain to me the corner word. Yeah, exactly. All you eat is meat. That's all I gotta do. All you do is only eat during this time, that time. Got it. You know what I'm saying? Like in all the rules, got it. And so, and then it actually works for some people and works really well. And so then I think you get this fervor around it

Starting point is 00:29:49 of like, one, because it's simple, so many people can follow it, so you get a larger portion. There's a lot of people that hate vegetables. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right, and then it actually works. I agree with you. I think that's part of the formula.

Starting point is 00:30:01 Right, right, so I don't know if it's like, I don't think- No, I agree with you. I think that's part of the formula. I think part of the formula is also, does it's like, I don't think- No, I agree with you. I think that's part of the formula. I think part of the formula is also does it counter, like you said, vegetables are healthy for me and they're saying, don't eat vegetables. I knew they were like- Because you know, it was just crammed into us growing up. You have to have these- No, but I think what I'm also saying is also true that if you are one of those people that a keto diet really helps you because the ketones had some really

Starting point is 00:30:27 incredible effects on your central nervous system. It really helps with blood sugar issues or gut inflammation because you're really intolerant to grains and starches for whatever reason. You haven't identified what it is. You're going to preach. You're going to preach about this like this is life. This has changed your life. I think the more extreme diets tend to have those proponents like if you talk crap about the carnivore

Starting point is 00:30:47 diet online you are gonna get a group of people who are gonna argue tooth and nail with you because it changed their life. I mean what we did what you what you are arguing or making the point of which I agree too is this is the religious part of diets and you know this about this is how people are if you take somebody who had a fucked up life and came from all kinds of rough stuff and they've just, it just keep, they keep running into bad stuff, bad stuff, and that person finds religion and it changes their life. They become the biggest advocates. Anything, anything you do, it does that for you. Yeah, and so whatever, whatever doctrine, religion or thing they found that did that for them, there is

Starting point is 00:31:26 no telling that person that it wasn't that because for most of their life, X, Y, and Z happened. That was tragic, awful, all these things. They then adopted this way of thinking and now it's radically changed them and they will fight for it. You know what got me on this thought process? I don't know if you guys have seen this article that's going around. There was a man that got treated for hypercholestemia and the way he knew

Starting point is 00:31:52 this, he went on a carnivore diet. So he ate nothing but meat. His body produced, by the way, there's a polymorphism, so not common, but some people do this where they just produce a lot of cholesterol and these people many times need to be on medications and they definitely need to change their diet they just don't react well to saturated fats or fats in general and it can cause problems this guy was creating so much cholesterol that yellow nodules of cholesterol were coming out of his pores yeah you can

Starting point is 00:32:23 look it up Doug maybe look up. Maybe look up carnivore diet. Yellow, nodule. And he went to the doctor. You'll see pictures of his hands. He went to the doctor trying to figure out what's happening. And it's literally, his body was producing so much that it was coming out. It was coming out.

Starting point is 00:32:37 You just squeeze him. It's like, what a terrible commercial for carnivore diet, by the way. It's so rare. This is so rare. This doesn't happen. Carnivore diet's not healthy for most people, but it won't do this to you.

Starting point is 00:32:47 But there are those rare individuals that this can happen. You are saying something right now that I can't help, I feel like I'm picturing what this would look like. It reminds me of that like Play-Doh set up. So this weekend, it was just Max and I, right? And one of his school projects is he has to count like a hundred, like popcorn kernels, hundred cotton balls, a hundred of something

Starting point is 00:33:10 and then we put them in a bag of air. And- Oh, there it is right there. See the guy's hands at the top left. I picture something a little bit different. I'll tell you what. So this is what I pictured because of what you were just describing.

Starting point is 00:33:19 Gross. So I, and I had never seen this before. So, okay, I decide I'm going to do popcorn kernels with Max, but we don't have any just plain popcorn kernels that you pop. We have all the pops, pops secret, right? Movie theater. Have you guys ever cut open one of those and actually looked inside? Is it bad? Bro. No. So I go, I go, Oh, we'll do a hundred popcorn kernels. I'll just cut this open and pull them out. It is gross how thick and greasy.

Starting point is 00:33:48 And I mean, I had to get a strainer out, hot water, soap, and just to get all the- But it's not real butter, right? It's a bunch of chemicals. Yes, it smelled weird. It felt weird. It was gross. I was like, oh my god, I don't want this popcorn anymore,

Starting point is 00:34:02 dude. I eat that popcorn all the time. I'm embarrassed I don't know more about this popcorn popcorn all the time and I'm embarrassed I don't know more about this But I'm pretty sure from a little bit of that I know because I'm not a big popcorn eater But microwave popcorn is not great because of what they put in it to allow it to dude all be in the same I am I feel embarrassed that I kind of kind of knew like I kind of knew I didn't think it was I would by no Means I think like this is a health food, you know what I'm saying? Like I knew I was enjoying,

Starting point is 00:34:26 but when I opened it up and actually had to clean- This is one of your remnants of your old bodybuilding lifestyle, right? Yes. It's like low calorie snack. Yes, yeah. And I had to like not to throw my wife on the bus, but that's like her favorite like cheat or snack is popcorn.

Starting point is 00:34:38 And so it's heavily consumed at my house. And yes, it's not the healthy kind. It's movie theater popcorn butter type thing. That's not the healthy kind. It's like it's movie theater popcorn butter I think that's like a treat that for her and I watching a movie But I tell you what after opening it up and cleaning it off like what I had it was discussed We used to do all the time. We didn't do the when I was a kid. We never got microwave Oh, no, we popped it regular and then you did your own butter and salt No, we didn't do that. So we used to do we used to well my mom

Starting point is 00:35:02 Well, okay, we did that too But then later my mom bought jiffy pop Yeah, the one you put on the stove you like this and it makes the big Mushroom silver, but yeah, if you make your own popcorn in an air popper and then add You know your own butter. I'm doing that going forward. I literally poppers are cheap to your kid will love it He'll love watching the popcorn. Yes, and you don't even need that you could do in a big pot That's how we used to do it and just throw butter in there You literally just do it one of those big pots with a lid and just throw it in there And you just love the bottom of it a little bit a little bit of oil or something in there

Starting point is 00:35:32 I know it'll it'll work But after seeing what was inside that bag and it doesn't even it doesn't smell or look like butter It's like this gross margarine looking thing that yeah, my mom ate so much of that growing up. I just I'm turned off by it I don't eat any of it Look at the ingredients that pull up like one of the most pop secret I'm curious microwave popcorn ingredients and let's just look at the is gonna screw. I don't know about enough about this I'm gonna ruin it. I know I know Hydrogenous oil and all that stuff. Well, it's hydrogenated

Starting point is 00:36:01 It's androgynous androgynous. It doesn't really know hydrogenated Androgynous androgynous. It doesn't really know David Bowie You're gonna ruin my wife's day right here, this is her So hydrogenous male or female My dad a why Doug's looking at up I got more fitness news for you guys. Oh, yeah, I got it here Let's read the ingredients. It's actually not as bad as I thought it was going to be. Whole grain popcorn, palm oil, salt, natural and artificial flavor. Well, that's where you just, that's the category.

Starting point is 00:36:32 What is that? When they say that? Uh, it's a good question. Is it pop secret you're looking at? I'm pop secret. That's the brand. And is it movie theater butter? Uh, they call it just butter.

Starting point is 00:36:40 So I don't know if it's movie theater. I do the extra movie theater. Yeah, they add the extra butter. I'm a movie theater fan. I'm a movie theater fan. I'm a movie theater fan. I'm a movie theater fan. I'm a movie theater fan. I'm Pop Secret, yes. That's the brand. And is it movie theater butter? They call it just butter. So I don't know if it's movie theater butter. Yes, I do the extra movie theater butter. Yeah, they add the extra hydrogenated oils.

Starting point is 00:36:52 Other than that though, it's a paprika extract, a natto extract, as ascorbic acid. So, yeah, I don't know. It's nothing too horrible, I guess. I mean, palm oil is questionable. No, palm oil's all right.. I well depends on how it's been processed source, right? Yeah, because you could kill that we kill Everything is that what it is. Yeah, I don't know There's like this big push to not use it because it hurts or anything habitats or something Yeah, I like the way they sell this. So zero grams, trans fat, 100% whole grain made

Starting point is 00:37:27 with non GMO corn, no high fructose corn syrup. Yeah. Yeah. They sold it. Yeah. I mean, they do, they do sell you on it. I mean, listen, I'm guilty. It's been, it's been in my house for a long time, but after opening it makes me now go like, okay, you don't even, I don't even need to hear you read the ingredients for me to go, this is not good. I'm ingesting this. This is not good. Like, you know, it's like when you see those labels and you can't pronounce 60 of the words, you know what I'm saying? This is like, that can't be good. I'm pretty sure that's not a good thing. So, you know, that's can't be good. It's freaking skunk fumes. Oh, bro, you smell so bad. It's in in my nose like I'm listening to you guys and literally I can't like process anything because it's

Starting point is 00:38:08 So annoying so you've had the you had the worst morning the worst morning So we all split we get to work at 9 you showed up at noon Not because you were late my choice. You know first to get skunked right in the morning. Yeah yeah, so we woke up and I was getting the kids ready and the dog went out to do his business he comes back and I was actually on the toilet and I guess I'll just reveal all this all this went down I was on there and then all of a sudden like, you know my dog comes in and just like like he does he invades my privacy and then

Starting point is 00:38:44 Takes off and I think he actually rub, he invades my privacy and then takes off and I think he actually rubbed up against like my leg and my arm. And I was just kind of doing my thing and I just, Oh my God, like it smelled almost like an electrical fire though first. So I was like, Oh, this is weird. And then Courtney's like, Oh, freaking out. I think something is wrong. Like there's, it smells like an electrical fire.

Starting point is 00:39:02 Let's go inside, get up real quick. And we're checking everywhere around the house and looking and Couldn't figure it out and it just the smell just got worse and it was Concentrated in this one area of like the corner of the hallway. And so I'm pretty sure like the dog You know rubbed himself against the walls and kind of like into the carpet and oh my god It was so strong and it got worse and worse and worse and i'm opening all the windows in the house and then when did you figure out was a skunk um i i went outside and then i was like oh it's out here too and i'm like okay wait a minute this this is

Starting point is 00:39:36 probably an animal i thought dead animal and then because it's not like if you smelled skunk before like you know immediately like that's skunk like But it was like, it kind of like progressed into like crazy skunk smell. So anyways- And that was what, 6 a.m.? It must have been, right? It was probably like 6.30, 6.30 or 7. So that was the start. And then the kids went to school and apparently Everett had to come home because the whole

Starting point is 00:40:03 class was like, no, we can't. Because I think the dog went in and laid on his bed while he was getting ready. It just smothered him with this disgusting toxic fumes. Yeah. So I got in my car and I'm going to work and I'm on 17 and lo and behold, I guess there's this dump truck that caught fire and everything, all this trash in the back of the dump truck caught fire, spilled all over the road and like closed both lanes and then it took forever to open one lane. What do you think happened? Do you think the fire, like he looked in his rearview mirror, saw it catching fire, then dumped it intentionally because he didn't want the whole truck to

Starting point is 00:40:44 catch on fire? I think so. That has to be what happened. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. Yeah. Like somebody must have. I have a picture like somebody sent. Yeah, you sent, I saw it and it's like. You were stuck on that free for four hours.

Starting point is 00:40:53 Four hours. That's a 30 minute drive. And there's all these side roads inside. I anticipated maybe I'll do the side roads, but like you look and it's just as. Everybody tried. Everybody had that idea. And it just, I didn't know where to go.'s just I had nowhere to go now why so why smell is it is this true

Starting point is 00:41:10 Justin you know I don't know this right because I've always thought like why don't they make another route from you know San Jose to the Santa Cruz area there's only 17 yeah they call it the highway from hell because it's there's no escape there's very little exits it's windy it often gets jacked or whatever Yeah, but it's because people in Santa Cruz oppose it. Yeah, I think they actually yeah lobbied against it Because I think there was a move to They just don't want people moving there like yeah, yeah, right their idea is it pisses enough people off They're gonna want to live there. You know say enough people experience that they're like I'm gonna live here

Starting point is 00:41:42 Just like once or twice a year, but it really like, man, you're screwed if you get caught in it. You voted to not have it built, didn't you? Yeah, yeah. It's a face I'd say I have to talk about. Well, you've seen how many people there are. We can do without you. You guys are different over there.

Starting point is 00:41:54 And then he walked in here and I smelt him right away. I was like, oh, bro. Surprised. Come on. Really? We got to deal with that now? Are we used to it now? I don't smell anymore. Is it still there?

Starting point is 00:42:04 Come over here, dude. No, I'm all right. Yeah, it's not as bad as it was. No, listen, the news I was bringing up, I think this is interesting with F45 just partnered with, I think Dr. B is the name of the company. It's like a telehealth medicine type company that actually specializes in GLP-1s. Oh. Yeah, interesting, right? But talking about the wrong group of people.

Starting point is 00:42:24 Oh my god. F45 and GLP-1s? That's exactly what I thought right away. Oh, yeah interesting right, but talking about the wrong group of people Gop ones, that's exactly what I thought right away. What do you call the program muscle? Yeah, yeah exactly exactly Imagine I mean this is gonna be really interesting The repercussions that we're going to see from this GLP one way yours there was a horrible idea. There was this, I don't know if it was a celebrity, kind of went viral on social media, because she was going after the company that sells, I don't remember which one it was,

Starting point is 00:42:52 I don't know if it was Wigovio, Zempi, it was one of those, because she was young, obese, went on it, lost lots of weight, went back, now you are at the beginning stages of osteoporosis. And now, here's why that happened for everybody listening. The GLP-1 doesn't cause that. GLP-1 just makes you eat very little. And if you just, if you go from being obese

Starting point is 00:43:13 to eating very low calorie and you don't strength train and you don't keep your protein intake up, regardless of GLP-1, forget GLP-1, you just did that on your own, you would have muscle loss and if you lose muscle, you also tend to lose bone density, okay? They go kind of hand in hand. That's what happened, it's not the GLP-1, it was that. So I don't know what kind of case she's gonna have,

Starting point is 00:43:33 but I think what we're gonna see, and we've talked about this, is for a lot of people, you're gonna trade one problem for another. They're gonna go, I'm not obese anymore, but now I have little muscle, and I'm weak, and I have poor mobility or whatever. You know, this misconception that they're gonna get like that last few Percentages of body fat off from the GLP one like it's just it's crazy to me

Starting point is 00:43:53 It's not that's not like the point the point is like if you're obese and you need and you need to change your eating habits And start creating better habits with this not to just shave off a little bit of body fat Yeah, I'm I'm toggling back and forth now. I know originally I came out and felt pretty strongly that this was going to be net positive, that we're gonna have, it's going to, obesity is such a problem that so many people are gonna, we're gonna see so much positive health conditions

Starting point is 00:44:23 in the right direction just simply by America losing some weight. What I'm worried about when I see like companies like f-45 partnering with with GLP ones and stuff like that I'm we're already not fans of that style of training for the average person and and and that's because it's a circuit based type of training it's it's like cardio and so which is fine but it's a circuit-based type of training. It's like cardio. And so... Which is fine, but it's so intensity-based. If you combine it with...

Starting point is 00:44:50 It's not a muscle building protocol. Combine it with a really low calories. It's a terrible recipe for an 800 calorie person. And the average person that's not getting coaching, that's not getting support. Listen, when we had that group of 50 GLP-1 clients that we took through, it was a great opportunity for us to get insight on all different types of people. The most common thing was people under-eating for such a long time that they had to reverse

Starting point is 00:45:14 – Plateau hard. Yeah, plateau hard and they had to reverse diet. Many of them were down in the thousand calorie range. If you take that client – A couple of them were like, would race marathons. Yes. And would plateau so hard. Exactly. And you take that person and they do high intensity type of classes and

Starting point is 00:45:30 training, it is a recipe for more muscle loss and a slower metabolism. And so. And a hard plateau where you're stuck. Like think about this, like, okay, you have, let's say you have 70 pounds to lose, right? So it puts you in the obese category. You go into GLP-1, you don don't you don't aim for more protein intake You don't strength train you just go beat yourself up in a high intensity class

Starting point is 00:45:53 You're gonna lose you know 30 40 pounds really quick And then what's gonna happen is you're gonna hit this really hard plateau and your calories are gonna be really low So now I'm eating 1200 calories I'm beating myself up, if you can continue by the way, because you'll probably feel like crap, but let's say you can continue. Where do you go?

Starting point is 00:46:10 What do I do now? Do I go down to, do I up my dose and cut my calories? Now I'm starting to dip into essential proteins, essential fats, and I'm gonna have other problems. So it's not, it's part of the solution. I think GLP-1s, if used properly, can definitely be huge for a lot of people. But it's part of a protocol.

Starting point is 00:46:29 I still stand by that they can be amazing for somebody. But what I'm getting, starting to get worried about is originally I felt strongly it would be a net positive. But if we keep seeing groups like F45, the Orange Theory, if they start adopting these GLP-1s, and obviously I know why they're doing it. I mean, Weight Watchers did it too. It's a smart business play. And so if they start adopting it with their modality of training, I mean, the next worst thing that's going to happen is the biggest marathon company decides to partner with a GLP-1. I mean, seriously,

Starting point is 00:47:03 I know that's an extreme analogy, but that's what's going on here. You start giving marathon runners GLP-1s, it's not going to be a recipe for success. It's going to put people in a very unhealthy place. And so that worries me a little bit that, or it means we have a lot of work cut out for us to counter the information out there that people are getting about these GLP-1s. Speaking of fitness and trends and stuff like that, it's not often that I will completely shift my paradigm on something in fitness.

Starting point is 00:47:36 Just because I've been doing this for so long, I've had all those shifts already, but I had one this morning. I had one this morning working out in the gym. There was a commercial on TV for an at-home piece of exercise equipment that I would make fun of so hard back in the day but now I can see some actual legit value. What is it? Okay when I tell you guys what it is I want you to guess where I'm going with it but I know you've seen this. It's the little it looks

Starting point is 00:48:01 like a it's like a bike pedal but it sits on the floor so you sit on the chair and you just pedal it. You've seen those, right? You can put it on the floor in front of you, pedal your feet. And it's like, I used to make fun of that. What are you doing? Get up, go for a walk.

Starting point is 00:48:11 Like, rest this leg. Yeah, but remember the study that came out about the calf raises? Yes, that's it, right there. There was a study that showed that just doing some heel raises while you're seated after you eat has a measurable, a decent effect on blood sugar. Your insulin sensitivity goes up

Starting point is 00:48:30 simply because you're flexing your calves. You're not even getting up and going for a walk. And I'm like, oh my God. If you buy one of these, you have a desk job and you hear us on the podcast, go for a 10 minute walk after you eat. And it's just not possible sometimes. Maybe it's snowing outside or raining,

Starting point is 00:48:45 or maybe you gotta sit at your desk, like I can't take a 10 minute break, I gotta keep going. You could buy, we have no affiliation by the way, I'm kind of sad that we don't, because I think people are gonna buy them now. You could put this under your desk, they're small, put on the floor after we eat lunch. I see a little step ones too that people use that.

Starting point is 00:49:03 Think about that, after we eat, do 10 minutes on that stupid little thing. Listen, things like that, okay. I mean, that will make a decent impact on your health. Things like that that seemed stupid 20 years ago for us are gonna become more and more important. Yeah. I mean, we just keep-

Starting point is 00:49:16 We're so sedentary. We are so sedentary. I know, it doesn't really point to that it's miraculous, it's just how sedentary we are. Yeah, we got worse. That's what it is. It's like a little something's... The fact that studies can come out and show that calf

Starting point is 00:49:27 raises are helping us, you know what I'm saying, dude like we're getting that, that's how bad we're getting. We're like just do some fucking calf raises while you sit down and watch TV still. You mean I need a machine? No, just lift your, just lift your leg a couple times. We're not even there, just start with that. You know like that's, It's more, it's less a sign of how miraculous and how powerful these tools are, and it's really more of a sign, like wow, we have gotten that sedentary, that even just doing that. I'm telling you right now, if you,

Starting point is 00:49:55 this is for the person who does no exercise, totally sedentary, eats whatever, and they're like, I just want to improve my health, I want to do something easy, that'll actually notice an improvement in health. That's easy. It's not a huge commitment. You could buy one of these things, like a hundred bucks. I see a jug pulls them up on Amazon,

Starting point is 00:50:11 100, 170 there, 130 there. Put it at your desk since you would sit at your desk all day long. And after you eat, pedal it for 10 to 15 minutes, you'll notice an improvement in how you feel. Just from that alone. No, I do have my- As I was watching the commercial,

Starting point is 00:50:25 I used to make fun of that. Family members would buy it, I'm like, what are you doing? It's so dumb, like get up and go, no, you just do that right there. And you'll have a positive. I mean, it's crazy. It's working.

Starting point is 00:50:37 Wally's around the corner, bro. I know, I know. We're so close to that. Speaking of studies, I looked up studies on saffron extract. It's one of the key ingredients in Organifi's Happy Drops formula. I brought this up before. So people know happy drops is a gummies, you eat them, they improve, they lift your mood, right? That's what they're supposed to do. Main ingredient is saffron. When you look up saffron studies on depression and anxiety, it's one of the most backed natural compounds for mild to moderate forms of depression and anxiety. I found so many studies.

Starting point is 00:51:13 I found a review of studies that said it has a measurable effect. For people who feel a little blue, a little down, it'll do it for you. The way it works is they think it works like a serotonin selective reuptake inhibitor. So it will help increase circulating levels of serotonin. I actually overheard, I don't know if it was a functional medicine doctor or what, it was like some doctor that was getting interviewed on a podcast, it was like some clip that bounced up, and they were asking them like, you know, what are like three different, you know, herbs or things that people don't know about that and like saffron was like some clip that bounced up and they were asking them like, you know, what are like three different, you know

Starting point is 00:51:45 herbs or things that people don't know about that and like saffron was like the number one that he said is like this It's this amazing thing that people can take that people don't realize about it and how How rare and how awesome it is for us to have it because we just don't find it anywhere else in our diet You don't hear about it. I mean I heard it on rat ratatouille those His go-to ingredient. Oh really? Yeah. I didn't know that. But it's for depression, anxiety, and then libido. Some people notice libido boost from it. I mean great. I love learning stuff like this. It's not a supplement I ever used before. Organifi did their happy drops. Of all the gummies. I mean it feels something for

Starting point is 00:52:23 sure. You love it you love it elevate the mood Yeah, I took some today because of my crazy start And oh my god, I mean my legs I'm gonna have to do some serious mobility But locking up but yeah, I was in a mood. How do you wash skunk smell off? Yeah, I read tomato juice. Is that real? Is that true? What do you just wear? I wait I'm gonna look that up cuz I heard that too but I mean I guess do a whole bath of you might shave your entire body stop Oh, so vinegar, baking soda, hydrogen peroxide. Oh my god.

Starting point is 00:53:08 Or commercial. Bro, hey, wash your body with hydrogen peroxide. Oh, cool. Yeah, I'm just a poor muncher. Make yourself whiter. Yeah. Avery. Translucent.

Starting point is 00:53:19 Hey, guys. You have a blonde mustache. I don't smell anymore. I smell a little vinegary. But who bleached their hair in here? For sure, you did. Yeah, I did. You did? Yeah, I did. Oh my god. Oh, the hydrogen vinegary, but you know, bleach their hair in here for sure you did. Yeah, I did. You did?

Starting point is 00:53:26 Yeah, I did. Oh my god. Oh, the hydrogen peroxide actually. You bleached it? Did you do it yourself? Yeah, well, you're crazy. Oh, we used to do it in high school. I did it every year, from sophomore year to senior year,

Starting point is 00:53:36 every year. I've seen a picture of your frosty tip. Yeah, yeah. Did you look like Justin Timberlake? I used to have my head shaved, and then it was really, really short. We would all bleach our heads, and then you'd let it grow out. And then you'd have the tips that were frosted, and then it was like really really short we would we would all bleach our Heads and then you'd let it grow out and then you have the tips that were frosted and you just do it

Starting point is 00:53:49 I never I never so even though you've seen pictures of me with frosted tips. I've never frosted my tips I've always bleached my hair and then you just let it grow it out. Yeah, that's kind of how we tell we would do it Which would I never did I did it once I think but I mean I dyed my hair a few times because I was trying to build punk rock You know what colors mainly black just totally black. Yeah Super go I never do anything weird in my hair You guys see the latest stuff on Tesla with the cars, what they're able to do now from the factory? No.

Starting point is 00:54:30 Oh, they'll drive to you. Yes. Automatically? They'll drive to you. Yes. They're one step away from them loading themselves on the dock to come to your actual house. How crazy.

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Starting point is 00:55:29 mind pump. Alright, back to the show. This segment is brought to you by TrainerWebinar.com. Adam and I get on, teach trainers and coaches how to become more successful, make more money, and get their clients better results. All the webinars are free. Go register. TrainerWebinar.com. Our first caller is Nathan from Virginia. What's up Nathan? What's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, it's awesome to be able to talk to you. So I'll get right to my question. I've been lifting on and off for about 15 years now but I got really serious about my health in September of 2023 because of

Starting point is 00:56:05 a health scare. And I was able to lose about 70 pounds. I went from 255 ish to about 190, which I know doesn't come up to 70. But I know I had a little bit of muscle growth in there. So I'm talking about fat. But for the past eight to 10 months, I really haven't seen much, much muscle growth or much fat loss. And I've been doing regular electrical impedance check-ins every couple of weeks and some DEXA scans and my electrical impedance seems to fluctuate and my DEXA doesn't seem to match up with my electrical impedance. So I kind of feel like I'm stuck at this impasse and I really don't know how to proceed.

Starting point is 00:56:41 Yeah, great. Okay, so good. Do you know where your body fat is sitting now? Because you're says you're 6'3", 197, that's I mean a great body weight for your height. Yeah I'm at 14.7 according to my last impedance scale check. Okay, so what you're what you're experiencing Nathan is you know at some point it gets harder and harder to progress because you start to get closer and closer to, for lack of a better term, you know, genetic limits or limits on what you could do with

Starting point is 00:57:10 your lifestyle. I'm assuming you're pretty strong since you've been lifting this entire time. So my squat is about 350. My deadlift set like 450 on a good day, but my bench is way down at like 170 and I've never been able to boost that and everything else is kind of stayed stagnant for the past year Okay, you're strong. Yeah, really strong by the way good deadlifters typically don't do so well on bench But anyway, you know I at this point I think what we would want to do is we'd want to look at

Starting point is 00:57:49 Diet and then we'd want to look at training and we want to change your programming. Probably have you been doing kind of similar programming this entire time, or have you been doing something kind of the same for a little while? You're rotating through ours? What are you doing? So I use something called RP hypertrophy and I do meso cycles of about four to six weeks where I kind of change it up. So every four to six weeks I changed my routine based on that. And then I just follow whatever that kind of gives me. What are those changes look like when you make a change?

Starting point is 00:58:14 Um, so for one meso cycle, I go high rep and X meso cycle, I'll go to the low rep or medium reps. I try to change the rep scheme up a little bit, but then I changed the exercises where it just, it'll be like the rep scheme up a little bit. But then I changed the exercises where it just, it'll be like the same number of chest exercises, but I'll change what the exercise is every four or five weeks. Do you ever dramatically lower volume? Uh, have you ever trained, uh, in a unilateral cycle or have you ever done a training cycle where the lifts are

Starting point is 00:58:42 odd lifts or lifts that you're not familiar with? Um, I have been adding more lifts that I'm uncomfortable with just because I want to try new things and I would say about six to ten months ago I was I was working out six days a week and I was doing a ton of lifts and I heard you guys talking about training so I actually thought that I'm gonna train and so I reduced down to four or five days a week and now I'm gonna be doing about four or five exercises with three to four sets. Okay, you're in a pretty good spot Yeah programming wise he's doing pretty solid I just say you have to emphasize and you said it already that I mean you obviously

Starting point is 00:59:18 Have been listening to show you your programming is pretty good You probably have taken a lot of advice that we talk about nutritionally, just chasing whole foods, doing those things and this is a perfect example of just that alone doing those things you could see as incredible results as you have. You are now at the next level to this right of consistency with the diet to in manipulating intensity in the training. So I would really want to peer into like what you've done, like where you at calories and macros and how Consistent are you with like tracking and measuring and paying attention to that stuff?

Starting point is 00:59:50 Yep, I track my calories every single day To the moment the annoyance of my girlfriend. I I'm focused on entering them more than eating my food calories right now I'm at 2196 with 80 187 protein 68 fat and two of nine grams of quarters but that's because I'm in a cut right now and with my nutritionist I was up to 3,200 after my initial cut because she got worried about metabolism okay yeah you're doing good right you're doing really good yeah what I would do if you were my client and you had questions, I would radically change your programming. I mean I would change it to... Old timey or symmetry, one of those that's really...

Starting point is 01:00:29 Map symmetry, map strong or maps old time would really shake things up. Each program would provide you with something completely different and then going back to your old lifts you would see a little bit of a decline in some of those old lifts because you weren't practicing them. But then what tends to happen is you kind of slingshot past some of your old PRs. So I think radically changing your routine would be where I would go. Those are the three programs I would advise. Have you done a cycle of almost entirely unilateral training? Because experienced lifters tend to do really well when they do like a three monthmonth cycle of that. No I've never done anything like that. Let's

Starting point is 01:01:08 do symmetry. Let's do map symmetry. Let's do symmetry and then after that run into strong or old time and I think that combo right there the next six months you're gonna be set up pretty nice. Yeah and symmetry is gonna be very different from what you're used to. It'll probably highlight some imbalances, some stability issues, and then as those strengthen, you'll go back to, at the end of symmetry, the last phase is a very traditional kind of five by five type program, and you should see towards the end of that some real good strength gains.

Starting point is 01:01:38 Awesome, I would love that. All right. All in all though, Nathan, just wanted, you're doing a really good job, dude. I mean, everything from programming, nutritionally, I mean, even what you cycled, what you got your metabolism up to your cut, recognizing you don't want to stay there too long. All in, I mean, this is a perfect example of like, and this is why I think

Starting point is 01:01:55 maintaining and everybody's going to be a little bit different, but like maintaining that 11 to 14% body fat has always been really easy for me. So long as I make good choices, I'm training. It's like pretty easy. Getting to the next level if I want to get shredded 10 below, it does take this next level of you know paying attention and diet manipulation and programming manipulation like that's where the next level is for you but all in all you've done an incredible job from what we've told us so far. Yeah your strength, your height, what you're doing with your diet,

Starting point is 01:02:25 as active as you are, like, you're kicking butt and what's gonna happen now, from now to the rest of your life is you're gonna see, when you change things the right way, incremental changes, you're not gonna see these huge changes like you did when you first got started. But, I mean, let's just, let me put in perspective, maintaining where you were, which is not what you wanna do,

Starting point is 01:02:45 but let's just say you kept this for the next 20 years. You're kicking everybody's ass. You're doing a great job, and you have such great awareness of what you're doing. So I think really shaking things up is really the next step. How are all your other, you said you had a health care,

Starting point is 01:03:01 you didn't really tell us what it was. How are all the other health markers for you? Are you monitoring that? Have you had a health care you didn't really tell us what it was how are all the other health markers and for you are you are you monitoring that have you had a checkup rate lately how's testosterone levels have you checked all that stuff yeah so I did a full form blood panel all kinds of that kind of stuff and I actually am on in Somothan right now because my testosterone was significantly low okay and that that's been about a year now oh okay and you just stay on it for a year oh I'm still on it but I it's been about a year now. Oh okay and you just stay on it for a year? Oh I'm still on it but it's been about a year that I've been on.

Starting point is 01:03:30 And while on it it's brought you up to good levels? Yeah I'm up at about 700 now. Okay and you're not gonna go on TRT I'm assuming because you want to maintain fertility or? No I just don't like taking a ton of supplements, but because my testosterone was so low, that was kind of something that I was willing to, to go with. And so instead of doing TRT and Clomaphane was suggested as kind of a, Hey, try this first. What about ACG for him?

Starting point is 01:03:56 Yeah. They they'll go with in Clomaphane before they'll go with each, especially if it's working for them. Really? Yeah. But Hey, you know, uh, you're, you're 36, right? Yes, sir. Yeah. You started getting in your 40s. It'll probably be TRT is probably what you're gonna want to do. And that's, I mean, in clomophene is great. Testosterone, it's another level. It's just

Starting point is 01:04:17 you start to see different, you know, results from that. Yeah, you're doing great man. Yep. Awesome. Thanks guys. That really means a lot. Thank you. Anything. Well, hey, by the way, we'll send that over to you Did we tell you that Doug will send over symmetry to you? No, thank you. I Appreciate it. You got it Yeah, great. Yeah. No, he's doing good. I mean this is This is where the next level gets hard I think it's good for people to hear this because sometimes your expectations get skewed, right?

Starting point is 01:04:46 You start on this, maybe you've listened to the show, all of a sudden you apply all things we're talking about. You see these huge results for a year, and then all of a sudden it dramatically slows down and you think maybe you're doing something wrong. It's like, no, you're not doing anything wrong. You just- You just can't infinitely progress.

Starting point is 01:05:00 Yes. It just doesn't work that way. Yeah, and you've got, he's already got the big rocks handled and he made the big gains in that first year already. And now it'll be incremental. Yeah. A lot more concentrated effort. Our next caller is Megan from Canada. Hi Megan. How can we help you?

Starting point is 01:05:15 Morning. Hey guys. How are you? How are you doing? Good. So thank you for taking my question. I always hear you guys talk about the importance of good sleep for optimum health, muscle gain and recovery. I've suffered from undiagnosed chronic fatigue for well over 15 years, just about 20 years now. Actually, I've always had good sleep. Lately it's a little been a little bit less than my my normal but still getting at least six to eight hours a night

Starting point is 01:05:47 So I'm wondering if although I get good sleep Maybe my body doesn't understand or feel like it does as it does not matter how much or how little sleep I do get I'm always permanently exhausted I feel like I do everything I should. I eat clean whole foods 85, 95% of the time. I weight train, I walk my dog twice a day. Then that's extended my cardio. I take care of myself better than most people I know,

Starting point is 01:06:20 yet I'm constantly hurting, sore, injured, tired. I don't know what else I'm supposed to do. My fatigue, aches and pains hold me back a lot from training and just overall living a happy life. So can my body think that it's getting, it isn't getting the proper rest and in turn feeling like it has to stay in survival mode and could it be affecting my muscle gain my muscle and strength gains have you got any have you got a blood panel have you

Starting point is 01:06:52 had someone check all hormones all blood all nutrients see if we're lacking in anything yeah i've been um seeing so many doctors and nat paths and whatever I can see since I was 15 and I'm 34, um, I've got my hormones checked. I did some testing with Dr. Cabral, um, because of you guys, um, and nothing has came back really, um, like in the red or anything. So. So I'm assuming.

Starting point is 01:07:26 Did you do a sleep test like apnea and all that is checked off? Sorry, I couldn't hear that. Did you do an actual sleep test where they were testing? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:36 I did that about, sorry, I did that about 10 years ago or so. So I'm waiting for a referral from my doctor to get another one, just to see if anything's changed, but yeah. Okay. So I'm assuming you did, you went through Criborol. So they tested you for any toxicities, heavy metal, mold. Those would be the first places I would look.

Starting point is 01:08:00 Okay. Have you ever been tested for Lyme disease? Have you ever, do you remember ever getting a tick bite or anything like that? So I have no recollection of a tick. My mom doesn't remember anything. I did get tested, uh, again, about 10 years ago, seven years ago, um, through a testing company in Germany. And it did come back positive.

Starting point is 01:08:28 This was through my natural path. But then it's since kind of been disproven. It's kind of one of those things where I don't know who to believe. Yeah. Cause everything kind of tells a different story. Your, your symptoms sound either autoimmune or an underlying infection of some sort like Lyme. So what I would do is I would get tested again for Lyme. I would also look at peptides for mitochondrial dysfunction. So there is a peptide called SS31 that has been used to treat chronic fatigue and has

Starting point is 01:09:04 had some success with some individuals. Okay. Okay. And you can get this through, I know our partners at nphormones.com will use SS31. And if you look at the anecdotes and the reviews, some people find a lot of success with this. And what this does is it helps restore mitochondrial dysfunction. So if you have some mitochondrial dysfunction, you're going to feel, the symptoms will feel a lot like what you're feeling.

Starting point is 01:09:30 No matter what I do, I just feel fatigued. It's because your body's not able to produce the energy like it should. The fact that you've had it since you were 15 makes me want to lean in that direction, either Lyme disease or that. First places I would look are mold and heavy metal toxicity. But since you've tested those and you've come out okay, then I would look at Lyme disease and I would look at peptides to help. There's really no way to test, well there are,

Starting point is 01:09:56 but they're not really great ways to test mitochondria dysfunction. SS31, people who are perfectly healthy will use it as well for health benefits, but people with chronic fatigue, you can look this up and just kind of do some of your own reading online. I don't remember what the brand name of it is. Maybe Doug can look it up.

Starting point is 01:10:15 I mean, nonetheless. The actual name of it is SS30. NPHormones, if you tell them that Sal pointed you in that direction, we'll make sure they take care of it. What about MotC, is that different? MotC might be another one, although that one has been blocked by the FDA. What about pairing that with red light therapy?

Starting point is 01:10:30 What if she was doing the two of those? Red light therapy would benefit, but if there's a dysfunction at the mitochondria, then you would wanna look at SS31. I think it's SS31 if I'm not mistaken. Is that it, Doug? Okay. Yes. What's the brand name, Elam, Elamipride

Starting point is 01:10:45 or something like that? Does it say? Okay. But yeah, if you go mphormos.com and say, Hey, I was on the podcast, the guys pointed me in this direction. I have chronic fatigue syndrome, don't know what's going on.

Starting point is 01:10:56 Um, then they can recommend that to you. Elamiproteid. Elamiproteid. Okay. So you can look it up under the brand name or just the peptide itself, but I would get lime tested again. Lime is interesting. It hides.

Starting point is 01:11:09 Oh yeah. So there are people who will get tested for lime, negative, negative, negative. Oh, it's positive. And then there's a lot of different attempts or ways to try to treat lime. Some can be successful for some people, but for others it can be very difficult.

Starting point is 01:11:23 It sticks around for a long time. And it can stick around for a long time, yeah. So I would still get tested for that just to see again. Okay. Yeah. I'd love to hear back from you, Megan, after you do that. Each time we have somebody like this, I always want to get to the bottom of it with you.

Starting point is 01:11:39 100%. Yeah, because it's been happening for so long, I don't think it's lack of sleep. I don't think it's your diet. I don't think it's your diet. I don't think it's your training. It sounds like you've kind of done all the big- You're covering all the main things from what you've said to us. So yeah, I think that's why we're just like trying to figure out the diagnosis part.

Starting point is 01:11:57 Yep. Yeah, I've definitely exhausted a lot of resources and time trying to figure everything out. And I always thought I was kind of an over trainer before listening to you guys. But like for the past three years, I've had a job that I couldn't train a lot. You know, I worked in the field and I was running heavy equipment.

Starting point is 01:12:23 So I wasn't really able to work out all the time. So that kind of, to me, disproved kind of that idea. But, um, yeah, I did just order a red light too. So like the juve red light, so should have that this week, hopefully to play around with. Have you been also tested? You, I'm sure you have for the MTHFR gene to see if you have methylation issues? Not that I can remember. Nope. Okay.

Starting point is 01:12:55 So a couple of supplements you can look into. Uh, one of them is called SAME, S-A-M and then the letter E's dash letter E. Creightenine, you probably already take Creighten because you listen to us. Creighten's another one. And then methylated B vitamins. So people who have methylation issues will have issues utilizing B vitamins

Starting point is 01:13:16 and it won't necessarily show up on a test unless you get tested for this particular gene. And I mean, if you could test for it or you could just, you know, methylated B vitamin supplements are cheap, SAMe, relatively cheap, start taking them, see if you notice a difference. It wouldn't put you back that much at all. It's like 40 bucks for, I think, SAMe and methylated B vitamins are even less. Okay. Yeah, I'll definitely look into that because I don't believe so. I've done so much,

Starting point is 01:13:43 it's hard to remember it all, but that doesn't sound familiar. So I'll definitely look into that because I don't believe so. I've done so much it's hard to remember it all but that doesn't sound familiar so I'll definitely look into that. Will you be able to follow up with us too? Yeah, please stay in touch with us as you go through this. Yeah, that'd be great. I would love to. I'm desperate to try to figure this out. It's a daily struggle so. We can only imagine it. We can only imagine. Well, together we'll figure this out. It's a daily struggle. So we can only imagine that we can only imagine you will together. We'll figure this out, Megan. Okay. And like I did just by your guys is maps 15. I'm playing a little bit with that. Perfect. That's a program for what you're going through. Perfect. Yeah, okay. I'll keep

Starting point is 01:14:20 doing. I'll keep doing that then. Okay. And then you guys, I mean, I live on coffee, even though it doesn't really do a whole lot. But yeah, I know you guys talk a lot about that. Is that a problem? Could be. How much coffee you're having a day? Like four to six cups. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot. You know, I would, you can, you can experiment with it, but here's the thing. If there's an underlying issue that's causing chronic fatigue, the coffee may be just keeping you going. But you can experiment with it and go off and see if after a week you start to feel better. Because caffeine can have an interesting inverse effect

Starting point is 01:15:12 when people have a lot. If you do that, use the Organifi Red Juice, I swear that makes a huge difference. Yeah, just for the side effects. If you decided to pull back every cup of coffee, you pull back, switch that with the red juice drink and that'll help mitigate the feelings. I think we all agree it's something else though. I think we think it's something else. That's not a crazy

Starting point is 01:15:31 absurd scene amount of caffeine. Maybe the average person they might think it's a lot, but it's not. Yeah, it's it's I usually stop drinking it by three o'clock so that, you know, I can make sure I sleep. But would that make sense as to why I always like have just random pains? Like it's just feels like no matter what I do, if I look the wrong way or walk too much, like I just something's always fricking hurting and it's frustrating. Yeah, that that that's makes me feel that's why I said test for Lyme. Because Lyme can cause joint pain, inflammation, it can cause a lot of really strange symptoms as

Starting point is 01:16:15 well. And then of course fatigue, that's like the most common symptom of Lyme disease. Yeah, okay. Okay, I'll definitely look back into that. Did you spend a lot of time in the woods and hiking and stuff like that as a kid? um, I mean I wouldn't say any more than anybody else like We'd go camping here and there playing outside like a normal kid back in the 90s. But other than that, okay Yeah, follow up with us. I want to hear what happens. Okay. All right. All right, Megan. Thank you. Thank you so much guys. You ever, you ever trained somebody that I had a client that was,

Starting point is 01:16:55 and it's so, it's so inconsistent. She'd come in some days. It'd be totally fine. Like a normal client. And then other days we couldn't do like hardly anything and everything hurts. Yes. Yes. Um, interesting. you don't think that Cabral's testing would highlight that you don't know lime yeah that's the very specific wouldn't it wouldn't it be some downstream effects so that they would see you know not necessarily you mean you have to look for a specific even if you look for it well it does seem sometimes it does sound interesting that she said if she

Starting point is 01:17:24 tested positive for it in the past and then it was proved it well disproved to her probably so what's that yeah someone said that oh it's you don't have it. I have limited knowledge online only because I have a family member who got it and she was perfectly fine suddenly had it was a strangest thing like pain chronic fatigue and insatiable appetite. Insatiable. She would say it was like, the only thing she, and it was just strange, and she gained all this weight

Starting point is 01:17:53 and all this testing, and they finally came out and said, oh, you have Lyme. But Lyme can hide. You can test for it, come back negative. So there's like, but there are ways now to do that. It's temporary. It isn't mono, like on some level, but it's temporary. It's not like a chronic issue.

Starting point is 01:18:07 Yeah, most of us, almost everybody has had the infection that causes mono by now. Yeah. And then, you know, that goes away. That goes away. And then mitochondrial dysfunction, you know, the SS-31 might even, even if she has Lyme, might help because the Lyme may cause mitochondrial dysfunction

Starting point is 01:18:21 as well, but yeah, that sucks. Tough one. Our next caller is Zoe from New York. What's up Zoe? How you doing Zoe? Hey! Hello! This is so weird. Hi guys. Um, so I'm just gonna read my question so I stay on track here. Okay. Um, so I'm, my name is Zoe Brady. I'm 18 years old. I'm a personal trainer and a competitive powerlifter. I have been working out for about five years and powerlifting for around a year. My best lifts for squat is 260 pounds, bench is 160, and my deadlift is 290, almost 300. So my question is about my weekly workout split.

Starting point is 01:19:02 At the moment I do deadlift or deadlift type workouts. On Monday, I bench. On Tuesday, I either rest or do some light cardio. On Wednesday, I do squats. On Thursdays, shoulders. On Fridays, and I feel like this works out pretty well for me. However, I know as a trainer, I'm supposed to be hitting each muscle group at least twice a week for best results. However, I feel like with powerlifting, it feels very hard to do that because I'm still recovering from that last workout. So it feels hard to hit that same muscle group again. And it just feels like there's not enough time in between. So that's really just my question is how am I supposed to

Starting point is 01:19:45 get the best results but still have enough recovery time as well? This is where powerlifting and programming is really, really important. Have you, any chance you've ran Maps PowerLift yet? I haven't. I've done Maps and Abolic twice and that's about it, I think, yeah.

Starting point is 01:20:04 So you're- Modifying intensity. Okay, I just gotta say that you're a total gem. 18 years old, first of all you're strong as hell. When we saw your name up there, I was like, is that a young man or woman who's lifting that much? It's gotta be a guy. You are strong, you are really, really strong. You got a crazy career ahead of you.

Starting point is 01:20:21 You know, the good thing about powerlifting is the numbers on the bar are gonna tell you whether or not it's working. Forget the you know oh you got to train a body part twice a week. For powerlifting is very different. I know powerlifters who train lifts twice a week but they don't train heavy twice a week. They'll bench once heavy, once is you know dynamic you know effort or speed or whatever. I think you're doing perfectly fine. You can find, you could try our program, see how it works. The thing I would consider for you, if you want to continue powerlifting, and I think you have a career ahead of you for sure, um, would be to make sure you avoid

Starting point is 01:20:57 any overuse injuries, make sure you work in different planes of movement and work on mobility, because as you get stronger, risk of injury starts to go up, especially if you're always constantly training that same plane of motion. Run a cycle too of unilateral training for sure. I mean, this is just like any power lifter, we try to at least bridge that programming

Starting point is 01:21:21 at some point with like our symmetry program where at least then we can kind of address, you know, any underlying imbalance, any underlying compensation there. But yeah, I'm with, so I think, you know, if it's working, if it's, if your programming is producing results, you know, that's something that you should consider. 100%. Definitely. And I am trying to do some more mobility.

Starting point is 01:21:43 I recently, I'm signed up for every Sunday I do yoga with my mom actually. So that's definitely a way for me to just make sure I do that. Just because I'm so into powerlifting, it's sometimes hard to make time for that other stuff that I know it's important for me. So I'm definitely trying to work on that as well. So when you, how long have you been competing? Just just around a year maybe a year and a half now. How are you doing? What was that? How do you do in your competition? Oh um so the recent competitions that I've been to there hasn't been a whole lot of people in my age group category

Starting point is 01:22:19 and bodyweight category. So usually it's just me against one other girl sometimes it was by myself. I've done three so far and I have two coming up. I've placed first twice and second once. Yeah, you're doing a great job. We'll send you mass power lift. Give it a shot. See how it works for you. But you're so young. You're doing so well. If your strength is going up, you're doing the right thing. If it starts to go down, don't worry about the programming. You haven't even come close to your max potential. And because of the weight that you're lifting,

Starting point is 01:22:54 that alone increases the volume. If you're squatting 200 pounds once a week, and another girl's squatting 100 pounds twice a week, you're both doing the same volume. You see what I'm saying? So, yeah, so consider all that as well. Um, but we'll send you mass power lift, give it a shot. See what you see, what you think.

Starting point is 01:23:12 Cool. And one other thing I just wanted to say, if you have time is that, um, I did one of your coaching, your personal training coaching seminars, um, back in, I think September or October, maybe. And at that point, I was in college and I took that seminar and I skipped a class to make sure I was there on time. And that was one of my deciding factors to drop out of school, drop out of college and really pursue my personal training career and power lifting career.

Starting point is 01:23:42 And I just want to thank you guys for that. Oh, wow. You do some really great stuff and I'm really excited to see how this goes. I hope to see you in the coaching program. We're about to do a live thing coming up pretty soon here. So. Okay, cool. I'll definitely look out for it.

Starting point is 01:23:55 You got it. And don't tell your mom we made you drop out. I know. Yeah. She was actually, she was super happy. She was excited. Okay. So it's all good.

Starting point is 01:24:03 You're going to crush, I'm not worried. Yeah, awesome. All right. Thank you guys so much.. You're going to crash. I'm not worried. Yeah. Awesome. All right. Thank you guys so much. It was nice talking to you. Thank you, Zoe. All right. Yep. Why'd you manipulate my sound, Doug? I did. Yeah. He has powers from afar.

Starting point is 01:24:14 That was weird. Dude, 18-year-old kid, lifting for five years, power lifting. Killing, yeah. There's some great numbers. I mean, she's got such a good head on her shoulders around fitness and strength. It's you know, it's exciting. That's great. She's gonna be a trainer. This is great at her age. Yeah. All in. Very cool. All right. Our next caller is Ethan from Canada. What's up, Ethan? What's happening, Brzezowski? How are you guys? Good, good. All right. Weird from this angle. Yeah. So I guess I'll just jump right into the question here. So sent this back in the fall, but I just listened to episode 2441 and it was cool to

Starting point is 01:25:00 hear from Sal that you're part of a better man group. And I just at that point had just started one of those groups in my church. So yeah, I guess my question is, I'd love to hear you guys speak to the spiritual benefits of exercise, specifically weight and resistance training. I know for me, as weird as it might sound, my dedication to my training and the victory I feel in my Christian walk are directly influenced by each other. So I think there's something biblical about this, like subjecting yourself to discipline. And when you consider the whole biblical narrative and the indirect benefits of training. I've tried to explain this to a couple different people in my life,

Starting point is 01:25:50 but mostly just falls flat and people think I'm kind of crazy about exercise, I guess. So just any help you guys could give in explaining or articulating that mind-body-spirit connection, and if you'd be willing to share your experience with that, and if you've come across anything in scripture that points to the importance of it, besides like Paul in 1 Corinthians 9 talks about subjecting his body to discipline. So yeah, just super encouraged by your guys'

Starting point is 01:26:20 podcasts and wondered what your take on that is. God makes the weight 50% lighter. Take the weight of the world on our shoulders. You know what's funny about this? I say that tongue in cheek, there's kind of truth to it behind that too, right? You know what's really interesting about this, Ethan? Okay, so years ago, when we first interviewed Bishop Barron, this was like the beginning of my journey towards Christ.

Starting point is 01:26:46 And I remember I met Father Steve who helps run his podcast. And initially it kind of took me aback because out walks this priest to greet me and he's jacked. He's like this buffed priest. You never see that. Yeah. It was so great. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:27:02 So we started talking and he's like, oh, I love your podcast. I've been working out for a long time. And you know, we started talking about how fitness is this really interesting gateway towards spiritual growth. And I said, what do you mean by that? And he goes, well, you know, you initially embark on it to look better or feel better. But if you really stick with it, you're trying to become a better person. And it starts with lifting weights and then it starts with diet and then it goes to diet and supplements and it goes to sleep and then maybe you're like, oh, I wonder if meditation

Starting point is 01:27:32 is a good thing. And before you know it, you're looking at your spiritual health because health is just kind of this wide sphere. And so I think this is why you see in fitness, people who have been doing it for a while start to move in a spiritual direction. It can look like crystals and meditation. It can look like all kinds of different things. But eventually I think all those roads lead to what I would believe to be obviously the truth which would be Christ. I think the discipline, the structure, being sober minded, how much it talks in scripture

Starting point is 01:28:02 about being sober minded, being ready and prepared. I think all of that contributes, glorifying God through your body is also part of it. Now fitness can also be used to move away from spiritual maturity, right? If I start to worship my body, whoa, that takes me in the wrong direction. And there's a lot of people in fitness that do that. And this is something that I've struggled with for years and years and years, where I place something good, which is your body.

Starting point is 01:28:31 Remember, your body's good. Remember, Christ got resurrected. It wasn't just a spirit, it was this body that came out. And that's what's all gonna be resurrected at the end of Revelation. Our bodies are also gonna be made perfect. It's good. Our bodies are good. They were made good. Obviously through sin we have issues with it, but if it becomes your God, if you start to worship it, it can go in the wrong direction.

Starting point is 01:28:55 So I think it's a tool. I think it's a tool in using it in the right way to allow you to worship better, to be a better father, to strengthen all the other priorities. I mean, it's great. And what's funny is when we talk about nutrition, when we talk about diet and exercise, even before I went on this journey, what I found to work best with people really aligns a lot with biblical teaching of grace. And this is what I would talk to my clients about before I ever became a Christian. It was grace-based diet advice and I would talk to my clients about before I ever became a Christian. It was grace-based diet advice,

Starting point is 01:29:28 and you're gonna fail and that's okay, and give yourself grace, and it's a journey. And it's not about worshiping your body and counting every macro. It's about understanding all the values of food, and sometimes it means you're celebrating with your friends and you're having some pizza, but other times it means you're eating

Starting point is 01:29:43 in a way that improves your your physical health so it definitely goes hand in hand you know appetite and enjoying food is a good thing can it go bad absolutely expressing your movement your body you know building strength and mobility and stamina it's great can it go too far? Absolutely. So I think your body is good, it's great, glorify it, but not for you, right? Glorify it for Him. And along with that comes that discipline. And anybody who exercises consistently needs right, becoming disciplined in their spiritual practices, like that's not that short, you know, it's like a direct connection. All those parallels, there's so many parallels, and I think in the disciplines, you know, with eating to nourish your body versus,

Starting point is 01:30:32 you know, indulging and you see in the excess what that leads to physically and you carry that with you and, you know, in terms of your spiritual walk, like if you're leaning towards indulgence, you're not staying on the path, and then enjoying the path as you're going through the process of it. I think somebody could really, like, if they took a lot of time with, like, putting this together with spiritual passages from the Bible, I'm sure that there's, like, a really clear parallel between the two. And I think it's weird that we kind of discard that. Or separate them.

Starting point is 01:31:06 Or separate them, yeah, at all. Because it's all interconnected. Just like all the systems of the body, we do a good job of really isolating certain systems of the body, not taking into account the whole and how they all interact with each other. And I think it's very similar in that regard.

Starting point is 01:31:20 I guess it's, I've never really thought about it like this perspective or been asked like this. And maybe that's because I've been really thought about it like this, perspective of an ass like this. And maybe that's because I've been a Christian since I was seven years old, so it's been a part of my life, my whole life. But you've obviously heard people say, you know, when you're healthy and fit, you know, every aspect of life is better, right? The good, the bad, everything you encounter when you're healthy and fit. I feel the same way about God.

Starting point is 01:31:44 If He's a part of your life, everything is better, including all the bad stuff. And so, to me, it's very similar to the healthy and fit, physical, healthy and fit version of me. Every aspect of I'm a better father, I'm a better partner, I handle the hard times better. I would say the same thing about my walk with Christ, that every aspect of my life, having that relationship makes all those things better, even the bad times, all the bad times I have someone to lean on, all the good times gives me humility. Like there's a lot of stuff that is exactly the same to me, and so, I don't know, I feel

Starting point is 01:32:18 it's incomplete if I'm healthy with food and exercise, but I don't have a healthy walk with Him. And so, to me, I don't know, I guess it's just been kind of the same. It's what's interesting. Most interesting to me is what's baked into it is what I think I used to communicate when I was secular and what you often hear in the health and fitness space is balance. What does balance mean? What do you mean balance?

Starting point is 01:32:40 Like, you know, the way I would communicate it before was, you know, sometimes you eat food to enjoy the taste, other times you eat it to improve your health and there's a balance between the two type of deal. Anyway, I remember I was talking to my friend who's a pastor, Chuck, and we were talking about alcohol. I said, well, wine, they drink wine of the Bible and I'm joking and teasing him and he says, well, what was Jesus' first miracle? He was at a wedding. Wine. He was at a wedding and the party just got started and they ran out of wine. And God, Jesus basically is like, let's, let's keep it going.

Starting point is 01:33:14 Let's keep the celebration going. Let's, let's, let's make, turn the water into wine. He could have done anything. He could have, he could have done any miracle, but his first miracle was really about celebrating, uh, was really about celebrating this communion. So I think it points to how it's kind of baked in there and I think if you're doing it for God's glory, then you're not going to worship your body, you're going to train appropriately, you're going to eat appropriately, and you're going to find that natural balance.

Starting point is 01:33:40 I think that's what leads you to that balance is that right there. But we do see like, it's challenging. I think the most abused substance period is food. And I think it's definitely the most abused substance in churches. I think they're very aware of drugs and alcohol and other things. But when it comes to food, obesity rates are just as high. Not to mention Christ was the first CrossFitter. Oh God. Well, I was going to say in the opposite of it's probably true too, like it's so easy to abuse exercise and like be hyper disciplined.

Starting point is 01:34:15 That's what I guess I love about your guys' message towards fitness is like, I used to be the classic like over train, never give myself a day off. And then through you guys, I've been able to give myself a bit of grace and, and use it more for my benefit in my Christian walk rather than like checking a box off and, and workspace kind of thing. Right? Yes. So, but yeah, it's super easy to abuse the exercise itself too and I think that's where people get hung up on like not seeing the connection maybe, I don't know. Of course, I mean 100%, it's the abuse.

Starting point is 01:34:57 Like work is good, but when work becomes your top priority, not so good, right? All these things are good, but not when they're- They keep that hierarchy established with your priorities. That's right. So, I mean, I've gotten to now the practice of praying before workouts to help my relationship with exercise, because that's my, one of my hardest things.

Starting point is 01:35:18 And it's helped. It's starting to help. I can feel it. So. Cool. Yeah. Great question. I appreciate that question yeah yeah I

Starting point is 01:35:27 appreciate you guys and appreciate the podcast and taking the time to answer that you got a man is there anything we can give you you have all over any of our programs I'm on Maps 15 right now very grace based. Been missing a lot of days lately. I just switched jobs, but, uh, so that's been kind of a stressor, but yeah, I don't know. Like I like to work out, uh, as consistent as I can be like with family and work and everything. So I don't know.

Starting point is 01:35:59 Have you gotten any program you guys have you gotten the massive team performance version? Yeah. Uh, no, you'll love that. You'll love that let's send that to her you got it yep sure thanks guys you got it man thanks for calling in yeah you betcha thank you appreciate it you know that better man group thing is like a it's like a thing it's like a program or whatever different churches and stuff do so yeah they used to be called cell groups when we were when I was going through it's like a specific branded one

Starting point is 01:36:28 Yeah, it's probably a curriculum to it. Yeah exactly exactly. It's pretty cool, too, because when I did it They taught like they open one of the first they talked about was work and how work is good And you're and you're supposed to like here's how you're supposed to use work, and I was like, huh? I don't know that they would say that. I think I'll send you pictures of the curricula. But anyway, pretty cool. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump.

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