Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 253: Mobility, Anxiety & Depression, Organ Donation & MORE

Episode Date: March 11, 2016

It's Q&A time once again! Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about integrating mobility into a workout, the goal of doing a physique/bodybuilding type show just once for the experience, dealing with a client's or their own anxiety and depression, what made them outstanding trainers & becoming a living organ donor. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Learn more about Mind Pump at www.mindpumpmedia.com

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Can I stroke us off for just a minute? Well, well, I'll... That's all my pants, that's all I need. That's twice as long as I need. Well, you know...

Continue. I feel it's important to stroke her. He goes off every once in a while. Okay. You know, if you're somebody who's just tuned into us in the last, I don't know, 100 episodes or so, maybe you may have missed this, but it was over a year ago now,

when this big shreds company was dominating the social media platforms, and just everybody was wanting to be a part of it. And I believe, I believe we were the first ones to call bullshit on a lot of stuff. And after we came out on the radio and started, and I said more and more stuff started. And just recently, and just, I mean, like in the last 60 to 90 days, I would say, I feel like they are just under fire. Right? Well, here's, here's what happened. Just because I want to protect us legally.

Right. Uh, we, we, we, we call out a lot of companies that exemplify what we don't like in the fitness industry, you know, posting these models and making these outlandish claims and whatever. We've never taken this supplements ourselves, but we're just like, that's just, if you're gonna talk about fast food, what do you think about McDonald's, right? These were the social media giants, and I think we just made it,

we made people who already saw the bullshit like we did, or the ridiculousness about it, they feel comfortable now. And so now all kinds of people are talking shit and stuff, so I feel kind of bad. I do feel a little bad. I feel a little bad. Because it wasn't like our mission was to try.

No, we're not trying to take anybody down. No, no, no, no, we're not doing that. We were trying to do, they were a perfect example of what we represent. What we represent, what we try and say is like, okay, listen, this is what companies do. And it was like, here's a perfect example. If you're on Instagram, here's a company.

Yeah, we're talking about their advertising and their marketing strategies, which are what the fitness industry does, which is ridiculous. Yeah. I mean, they probably own, I don't know, how many Instagram pages that feed each other and post their athletes or, you know, talk about this, that and the other and take this product as a speed-sypher-but-toe. But if your company is a house of cards, eventually, it's getting crumbly.

That's not our fault. What's happened is, you know, and what we're getting tagged, I mean, now, I don't know about you guys, but I know every day I get on on and I've probably got 30 to 50 tags of people that are calling out shreds on these things that they've done, whether it be, you know, Arvin was a stripper guy before and these friends with Mike from what you would call them. That's what people are saying on this thing. Jersey Shore. Yeah, some people have been dirty politics. Oh, all kinds of stuff. And then Sharon, like, they stuff. And then sharing like, there are pictures that they are using, they're transformation pictures on people.

There's people that are coming forward now and saying that they never gave them the approval to even use those pictures. And that that, this is all here, say, we're just to be clear. This is all here, say, we don't know if this is accurate, but this is what people are tagging us and saying. Hey, stop being so scared.

You know what I'm saying? Stop being such a pussy. I'll tell you exactly what I'm doing. I am saying what I'm being tagged in and what I'm reading. I'm not scared. You know what I'm saying? It's not being such a pussy. I'm not saying what I'm being tagged in and what I'm reading. I'm not making any claims. I didn't take, I didn't run any tests. I'm not trying to say the company is this or that. I'm telling you all the stuff that I've been reading

and what people have been tagging in are these things. I'm reporting, bro. And here's the, something's scared. Yeah, the painfully obvious, like what I've been doing as far as like tongue-in-cheek jabs like you know created this This alter alternate company pumps, right and why I did that is because it's like satire Okay, I'm gonna just be completely clear about that. Yeah, some people don't understand that Yeah

you know what I mean and and I feel like that's the best way to depict Yeah, you know what I mean? And I feel like that's the best way to depict things that are wrong. And you see this a lot like with the Colbert report and you see this like with smart news casting or the onion or you know, these things that they jab at processes and things that they see within their industry or their reporting or whatever, that's just fucking absurd. That's what shreds is, it's absurd. But guess what?

I'm jabbing at that purposely, tongue and cheek. It's not harmful, it's not taking names, it's not taking the exact image of these athletes that they have, I'm not condemning them, it's not them. It's what that represents. It's intelligent humor, it's some people aren't gonna get that. I know, but that's why, literally, I had to just say that. No, I know, I'm like, I don't want everybody to know that.

I know, I know, a lot of people have been confused. And I think that's two, that's where people are getting mixed up, that we've been getting tagged on all these. It is not our style, there are pages out there, I've seen them now where are solely dedicated to attacking people like this. I mean, they are going to, I don't like being bullied. Yeah, they're taking pictures, they're zooming in on all the athletes.

All the photoshopping. All the photoshopping that's happening and stuff like that. And you know, hey, to each start on it, if you're going to do that and get out to her and fuck it, get them, cause them hell. But that's not our style. That's not where, that's your thing. Our thing was to make people aware, get out your own fuck it, get them, cause them hell. But that's not our style. That's your thing. Our thing was to make people aware to have some fun with it, laugh about it.

I just think it's kind of funny because before we started doing that, I don't know, over a year ago, I didn't see anything start coming in. Now, they're being bombarded. I'll do it. This is the beginning. We call it the revolution. This is the beginning. People are starting to call out the bullshit in the industry

and it's not just them. It's not just that company. It's lots of other companies. Yeah. People are calling it out. People are starting to say hold on a second You know, you don't take the supplements you're pushing. We know what you take and that's not what make you look that way and we know these pictures are fake and People are angry, dude. Body creams aren't gonna give you fat loss, you know. Bro, people are fucking angry and they should be angry. They've been lied to and they've been ripped off and they feel like shit and people's metabolism are screwed up and they've been getting these freaking stupid diet plans from these idiots that should not,

we had someone on the forum the other day, I'm not gonna call it any names, but they got a diet plan from one of these quote unquote athletes, they're not fucking athletes, I'll call them idiots. And they sent them this diet plan, and I looked at this and I'm like, this is fucking insane, this is gonna make you eat 250 grams of protein a day and you're 130 pound female. This is horrible, this is bad for you. I mean, how is this even legal?

It's craziness, it's crazy, and it's all backfiring. It's technically not legal. Yeah, it isn't. You can't do that, right? Unless you're a registered dietician, you can't be giving out nutrition, you can't give out like that. That's why, I mean, it was one of the reasons

why even when we created our nutrition guide, it's a guide, it's a guide to help people. That's an excellent point. That's something that like a lot of people don't understand the distinctive difference there. That's why you do have to be careful. If you're not a registered dietitian, if you're not a nutrition-certified nutritionist, you've got to be really careful about the vocabulary you use. And especially if you're going to prescribe a macronutrient ratio.

I think legally you can guide, but you can't prescribe, like if you're coaching and you're saying this is from my experience, this is what I... Yeah, but the verbage is very important. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I mean. Very few quote unquote trainers take that step

to do that to say, hey, I am not in nutrition, I'm not this, this is what I follow, this is something you could try or no one no one says it like that They say here's your meal plan. You know, it's funny. Here's your meal plan. These people have zero business prescribing Diet they have just as equal business prescribing work out. Oh, yeah, you know, I'm saying. I know it's the same They're prescribing shit. They're prescribing you crap They know exercises and they know what proteins, fats, and carbs are. And that is what their qualifications are to tell you what to eat and what to do. And then when it comes to supplements, they don't know what the fuck that's in the bottles

that they're selling either. You asked them, I went on one of these pages a while ago and I was asking the guy legitimate like questions about the ingredients of their supplements like, well, what is this to? How does this work? And you could tell the guy was going off the script and had no idea what I was talking about. It's scary, man. And people are taking this.

They're by the bottle. The next question is, I wonder when we see, so we're starting to see the backlash with the supplements and a little bit of the nutrition side. When's the backlash going to be on these workout programs? These ridiculous workouts. It follows. It's following. Yeah, I think that's after.

We'll go through all this stuff first, but I don't know how many people inbox me or tell me that, oh, I bought so and so some fitness celebrities, regimen or workout. And I've been following it. I've gotten pretty good results off of it, but now I've plateaued really hard. And I'm like, well, yeah, no shit, I've seen there. I've seen their regimen, man. Like, how are you gonna progress from that? Once you get adapted to that,

I mean, unless you're a maniac or you've got an extra hour you can put in every single day of the gym, like it's gonna be tough to continue to evolve from that. And there's no thought process behind a lot of these programs that are designed. It doesn't even deserve to be called a program. You know, it's the workout that they- It's a list of extras that I've worked out. It's a lot of these programs that are designed. It doesn't even deserve to be called a program. You know, it's a workout that they- It's a list of extras that-

It's a hardcore workout. It's a wad. Yeah, it's a wad. Yeah, great. I had a great term for it. It's just a fucking wad. It's a wad. It's shit is what it is.

I created it in my pants. Well, here's something. So we just aired an episode, you just totally reminded me this. We just aired an episode where we interviewed Craig Perso. Yeah. And Craig, you know, he's been dieting real hard. Poor guys trying to lose muscle as well as fat, trying to make weight. And he was referring to workout programs as ice cream flavors.

And he said he had referred to maps as, oh, it's just a different ice cream flavor. I would like to clarify, that's false. If maps in fact is an ice cream flavor, it's fucking delicious and it's the best way to earn a year before that. That's exactly around the form. But the truth is, and it's funny, because all of our four members that heard that episode got angry when he said that. And we tried to clarify a little bit on the episode,

but we want to be respectful to our guests. But the reality is this, maps was created with excellent programming from three trainers with lots of experience. It's concepts, there are sample workouts in there, but what we leave in there and what we encourage is modifications based off of individual goals, preferences, and how your body responds. That's the key, that's the kicker that really makes it. Yeah, and we consider like corrective exercises in ways to like get that intertwined into the programming from a subtle perspective,

but also like we're addressing things in each one of these phases that's very specific. Right. And this is why people have had overwhelming success with this program, with all of our programs, because we make sure to include that so that if somebody sees something that you know this exercises isn't right for me there's a method in a way utilizing the concepts that we we understand we put in the program for them to modify and for them to put into their own program. So people have excellent results. What's the number one thing we see on these testimonials people what are people saying I was went from working out six days a week in the gym to being in the gym three days a week,

and I've had better results in the last three months than I had in the previous five years. Well, it's like, it's like, that's the whole thing. That's the whole thing. Well, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like,

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there, a forum because of that. That's another thing too, is that we knew that we had to create a platform somewhere too, where we could create this community where people could come in and share the challenges they may be having or issues that they have with their body and leave all this room for modification and evolution to everything that we've created. So not only is there all this science to what we're specifically doing in each and every face, plus abilities to modify things, then on top of that, there's a community where you can come and share,

hey, I've been going through this, I feel this, I notice this, or does anybody have something like this that works well for them? And it started with us giving all the answers, but we've built this community now of intelligent, like-minded people that have gone through and have either gone through all of our programs, have listened to all the mind pumps,

have started to read studies on the self. Now you've got all these really smart people that understand and are learning how to program design for themselves and are giving each other advice and tips. So we have something like almost 100 trainers on the forum. I mean, the ridiculous amount of trainers. And then they now are programming workouts

for their clients based on some of the concepts. And they're getting great results. You can see some of these testimonials at mindpumpmedia. Oh, try to put those up. They're all up there now So they're not all up there. I know there's a lot that are on Yeah, so anyway, wait Did you do that? What It's a motherfucking Majestic it's the motherfucking call

Bring it, bring it, Doug. All right, beginning with Dom Dima, how do you recommend integrating mobility into a workout program since we talk about mobility so much? You paint it green. Yeah, yeah. This was absolutely. This was a major factor that we put in green maps,

AKA maps performance. This was something, this is really, you know, me and Adam have a decent understanding of mobility, but this is really Justin's expertise. And he, I mean, we made sure to, you know, just drain his brain of all the information and all the energy he has on this. And it's an integral part of the program.

If you're incorporating mobility into your workout, you know, as I've now, as I knew before, but also as I've learned even more, as I've gone along and continued working with these fine gentlemen, mobility should be a part of your programming. It should not be thrown in after the fact, after I've injured myself or whatever.

So I would say do mobility type movements, almost every single workout, you know? So yeah, absolutely and that's that's true It became one of those things for me that was even more of a priority As I got older and and it's true like like if you want to listen to people that have gone through all this experience and You you acquire a lot of wisdom. And so this is one of the sort of insights that I had as far as training intensity goes. Like so this is where I also see an issue when I see people like so focused on intensity and I see things like CrossFit where maybe they do incorporate mobility,

but what they're doing is they're trying to compensate for that, but what they're doing is they're trying to compensate for that. So what they're doing is they're going super high demand, but now I can actively mobility the shit out of myself to get back to doing it, you know, as opposed to interesting point. Yeah, so it's like this. So these are like a band-aid. Yeah, it's like a band-aid that they're trying to put on their high intensity like over demanding type of a regiment whereas for me it's it's this is really an important aspect of fitness that I feel like I've finally Has really communicated to me being an ex-athlete that I wish I would have had

Prior knowledge to when I was playing. I would have benefited a lot more from it because my performance would have been so much more impactful when I needed it. I'm not trying to get myself in a position where I'm just always going for that demanding intensity. I'm always trying to achieve another PR like every single time. I want to do it when I need it. And so that was something within the program where we're implementing, sure, there's demanding workouts. There's demanding workouts. But now, the overall prescription for how we designate our intensity days versus, you know, our days where we're focused more on mobility, being strength and

flexibility. I'm trying to increase range of motion. I'm also in the mindset of how can I improve my movement? How can this translate to my body functioning on demand at an even greater rate than it's ever been? That's an interesting point. So here's what I get out of this. Some, a lot of most people, actually, most people confuse mobility training for corrective exercise. They're different. Corrective exercise is to correct an imbalance. That is there, maybe maybe chronic pain and that's also very important

But you only use corrective exercise when a problem starts to arise Mobility is to prevent you from getting there and mobility is to improve performance Mm-hmm. So that's the difference the difference is one you inject perfectly put Yeah, so one is there to you inject to fix a Chronic issue and one is there to prevent chronic issues from happening and to improve performance. So mobility should always be there. And it can be as simple as, let's say I did

five sets of heavy squats. It could be as simple as going super light on the sixth set and going really low and holding it down there and coming up into a full range of motion. That's an example of a mobility squat, where I lighten the load way down. If I'm squatting 400 pounds, I'll go down to 100 pounds. So, way, way less. And I'm doing these really good full range of motion squats at the end.

That would be working on mobility for my squats, for example. So that doesn't have to be super complicated, I'm saying. And if you think about it, too, this is why it's such a nice pairing. Like we talk about trigger sessions, you know, with the original max and a ballic. It's just, it's you're keeping that signal alive. And so that's something that you're still doing a lot of the similar movements that you do on your foundational day, but at a way less, you know, intensity. And and what that does, it just, it prioritizes that need, you know, for your body to respond to that and to overcome that. And so, you know, you grow stronger as a result.

Excellent. Well, I think the mobility piece too is something that, um, the science has been around for quite some time. We've known the importance of this. The, the, the part that I love that I'm so glad that Justin worked on this and we created a maps performance was you don't see it very often from a couple guys like us. I feel like there's two ends of this spectrum. You're either like the meathead buff guy and that's what you talk about. That's the workouts you preach about that. It's all about this.

It's all about that. Then you have the other extreme, the people that are all into functional moving. They all look like these hippie fucking yoga guys that do all these very cool mobile moves. I mean, they do all this cool shit. That's just so neat. But then you look at them and you're like, if you're a guy who wants to be muscular, like I want to be, I would look at those guys 10 years ago and I'd be like, I don't, that's cool. He can do that. But I would rather look a certain way or be able to do other things. And so I would never, I would never migrate over in that world because I feel like I would have look a certain way or be able to do other things. And so I would never, I would never migrate over in that world

because I feel like I would have to do all that and look like that to be that guy. And it, it doesn't have to be that way. There's a way to program design to where you can still have aesthetic goals and be muscular and still have performance type goals and still be functional. Well, here's the kicker. Here's the kicker.

If you incorporate mobility properly, it will increase your ability to build muscle. It will increase your aesthetics. It will not take away from. It will contribute to your aesthetic goals as well. So it's not a either or, it's not a takeaway. It's not you're doing that in your trade. You don't need to be, you don't have to turn into some,

you know, hippie guy who that's all he does is yoga shit and mobility stuff. It's another tool that you should be applying, you know, quite frequently. Absolutely. General in P, what do you think about people who want to do a show just to check it off their bucket lists or prove that they can do it or to achieve a higher level of fitness? If you want to do it because it's really something you want to do and you've thought about

it for a long time and it's on your bucket list. Go ahead and have fun doing it. Go for it. If you're doing it because you think it's going to motivate you to get super fit, I would say don't do that because you're more likely to develop bad relationship with food from the extreme dieting. B, after you achieve that pinnacle of fitness or quote, it's not really a fitness fitness pinnacle, but if you achieve that particular goal,

you're gonna fall way the fuck off when you're done. You've just finished your competition. The odds are you're gonna go way off the deep end afterwards. And I'm sure as Adam is probably gonna go into here in just a second. One of your Adam's perspectives. It doesn't sound like a lot of fun. Yeah.

So I'm not gonna completely disagree. But I do think there's some things that I will say that I absolutely loved about competing and then I'll tell you some things that I think is terrible. I don't think someone should do it at all, period for any of those reasons. If you don't really know what you're doing or you don't know for sure the person who's guiding you through this really knows what the fuck they're doing. Because then you get all the things that Sal just said miserable, put your body through things that are not healthy. And this honestly, the last 10 days was about the only real unhealthy part of what I did

to my body. And to be honest with you, part of me wants to do the show again, do a show again and try and that be my goal to get to go all the way to stage time to be almost as healthy as I possibly can since that's what we're supposed to be a representation of. And I believe I can do a pretty good job. Will I get the exact look to one first place? Maybe not, but I think I can present a pretty damn good physique, doing it very, very healthy.

But here's what I do love about it and what I what I enjoyed about the whole journey for me. It taught me a lot. It taught me a lot about a lot of science and a lot of stuff that I kind of already knew, but until I had to apply it to an extreme level, I didn't realize how much it thinks certain things mattered. And wow, what a difference that made when I did this or I didn't do that and I became very Intune and aware of of my body. So I think I would actually highly recommend it to everybody who Has that a mental approach into it, which is I'm gonna go into this one

I'm gonna be guided by somebody who knows what the fuck they're doing and I either trust 100% or I'm educated enough to do it myself. And I'm going to take myself to that level because when you get down to a ridiculously low body that was although that would not be a healthy place to sustain or stay there for a long time, you learn a lot about your body, you learn a lot about your your your mentality, you learn a lot from that. And I think there's a lot of cool things to take away from it. But then there's a lot of ways you can fuck that up. Yeah, I think that's a great distinctive point

that you made there because like me knowing this person that actually asked the question to like, she came to me having gone to the wrong type of a coach and having metabolic damages as a result and having like all this this pain and things to deal with as a result and having like all this pain and things to deal with as a result of her experience with that. So I think that a lot of that is like throwing the caution flag out there to knowing that

you're in good hands. And so that's a great point to bring up because, you know, of course, like, there's this like, there's this drive that we all have, I think, to compete in something. And I think any time that you put yourself out into a situation where you're going to have to face adversity and you're going to have to really challenge yourself in new levels, like, I mean, working out, we do that in a sense if we really get into it. And there's nothing wrong with that. And in fact, it's healthy for us to do that, to compete and things. But I do, I do definitely throw caution out there with that simple fact

alone that there's coaches out there that will really hurt you. And there's like a long process to recover from that. And we're just now like with training with her. It's really becoming more apparent on how important recovery periods are, how important eating, nourishing foods are, and all that sort of thing. So, well, think about it like this, think if you wanted to be an ND 500 car racer,

you wanted to race ND cars, that sounds like a lot of fun even to me right now and i can drive a car so just because you can drive a car does not mean that you're ready to go race race an Indy car by any means and if you are going to get into racing an Indy car you better fucking make sure that the person that you hired to teach you actually races the car and just doesn't know how to change the tires for the car and that's what i see when I see like all these coaches, you got all these coaches that can change wheels to a fucking race car, but I've never gotten a race car themselves and actually know, and even if they have been in a race car, they've sat in the race car,

but they don't know the mechanics of the race car. They don't understand how the car works. And if it were to break down, they wouldn't truly know how to fix the car. They got the manual passed to them. Yeah, exactly. But they never actually worked on the engine. Or they sat in the car and they went around in circles and they got good at, or got decent at doing it or whatever that, but they really have no idea

of how the mechanics of this vehicle works. Our bodies are like that and taking it to that extreme is like driving in that extreme. You know, all of us, all of us that are probably, you know, thinking about doing this or competing, we all work out, we all drive cars. We all do that already. But taking it to that next level on that level

is driving an Indie car. So be very, very cautious to who you listen to for advice and if you're doing it yourself, make sure you read up and you educate yourself and are aware of what you're getting into because it's real easy to crash that fucking car at 200 miles an hour. 500 days of fuck you.

We just keep letting him back in. Every time. I think you choose these questions. Just so I have to say it. Have you ever dealt with a client that had depression or anxiety or have you ever had depression or anxiety? This is a great question. Studies now show pretty conclusively that exercise, proper exercise, is as effective as

popular antidepressant drugs are for treating mild to moderate depression and anxiety. So exercise done properly, and I would say nutrition as well, are great remedies for depressive symptoms and anxiety. They do such a fantastic job. I've definitely had clients in this case. And I've always seen improvements. Now, whether or not I, you know, there was a cure, I won't go that far, but I've definitely had clients come in and, you know, I have them do a medical questionnaire when we start and, you know, some of them are on SSRIs, and what your antidepressant drugs, or they themselves will say they suffer from anxiety.

And every single one of them has noticed a benefit. Now, that being said, I'm gonna go here. If you make exercise, you become fanatical about exercise, and you have a unhealthy relationship with exercise, it will contribute to your depression and anxiety. So if you have a body image issue, and you're working out, and you're an unhealthy relationship with exercise, it will contribute to your depression and anxiety. So if you have a body image issue and you're working out and you're starving yourself

and you're looking the mirror and you see something different than what other people see, then you treat exercise like a drug and it will only make your depression and anxiety worse. I know someone who she did this to a point where she passed out in the gym and she had to get medical intervention because she passed out in the gym and, you know, she had to get medical intervention because she overdid the hell out of it.

So it just became a part of her of her problem. So like anything, if you use properly, it's effective. If you use improperly, it can actually make things worse. Personally for me, I'm actually going through something that's causing lots of somewhat some depression anxiety. It's a personal issue. So I won't discuss it here, but it's exercise for me is the best fucking medicine.

Are you kidding me? If I miss a day of workout, I notice a huge difference or a day of activity. So for me, it's such a big help, along with, of course, being on this podcast, it's very therapeutic, but when I go to the gym and I exercise, I immediately feel like, feel a million times better. And that feeling lingers and lasts until the next workout. So if you're one of those people and you feel

like, man, I'm just, I'm feeling down and out, you don't have to go hard to start with easy light activity, but it's been proven now statistically to help you. So, I would be really interested to read studies on what's going on from a hormonal level, on a cognitive level, all those things that are happening from the exercise that reflects depression. I think just mindset is such an important thing, especially when you're going through something like there's got to be something to be said about, you know, walking into a workout and going through it, whether it be an easy one or an intense one, it doesn't even matter, just the fact of

working out and accomplishing that has to have some sort of mental play of positive thoughts that, hey, I went in, I just, I did something, right? I did something physical, my body accomplished it. There has to be some sort of hormones, dopamine's that get to accelerate it. Well, yeah, exercise increases dopamine, increases your sensitivity just to serotonin. It releases the other catacolomines,

epinephrine, neuropinephrine, which kind of pick you up and balances hormones. Isn't that what most of all those antidepressants are trying to manipulate anyways? Isn't that what they're, mess with your serotonin levels and things like that anymore? Not all of them, but a lot of them do. The popular ones, the SSRI, the selective serotonin

re-uptake inhibitors increase the circulating serotonin in the brain, which then makes you feel better. Exercise also, done properly, will increase the release of dopamine and serotonin. And some science will show that it increases the sensitivity of your brain to serotonin. So you're will show that it increases the sensitivity of your brain to serotonin. So you're more likely to feel love, empathy, and that comes back to yourself.

A lot of depression comes from not feeling those feelings. A lot of people think depression means sadness, but depression actually, in many cases, means empty, like lack of. I don't feel anything at all. And exercising helps you to feel numbness. Well, isn't that, yeah, I just think of that too. Like a lot of times I know somebody's been on anti-depressant medication and they just felt like,

like, yeah, I just felt that numbness. I actually, I don't know about you guys. I actually almost at all times have at least one or two clients that actually go through this. It's actually very common for me. Super common. Yeah, it's not, this isn't like a one-off, oh, I've had one or two clients that actually go through this. It's actually very common for them. Super common. Yeah, it's not, this isn't like a one-off, oh, I've had one or two clients, like at all times,

I have probably a handful of clients. Well, do you know what percentage of, I mean, America is on some kind of antidepressant drug? I don't, what is it? I don't know, but I know it's big. I know it's a very, I know we're one of the top countries. We're not the top, but it's pretty large. They're one of the more prescribed drugs out there.

Yeah, well, you, I mean, you pair anxiety with depression in there. And basically almost every client I have has got one or the other at what extent to or another. And that's part of our job. I think as a trainer, I think that's part of what has evolved. Some of us is owning that and realizing that you want to be good at your craft. You better learn that piece of it, too, is how to talk to people and emphasize with them, and actually know how to motivate them in that area. And again, why you don't always want to go with hammering your clients in a workout,

what a stupid idea, that's a great point. That's what I meant by talking. Talk about it. So, remember we did a little review on that stupid show that's out right now, what's it called? The Fat to Fit to Fat. Oh yeah, yeah., so one of the things that just I go crazy because of course they you know They cast these guys and it's all show there. They're all horrific trainers all of them and unless they're being scripted and told to do that You know, I feel like I feel like when doctors watch Gray and Adamy, you know when they watch when real doctors watch

Gray's an Adamy they must cringe when me and Adam are watching that fucking show, I wanted to throw something through the TV. These were the shittiest trainers. Yeah, just to, I mean, like they take somebody who is just morbidly obese and you start them off on their program and like right away, their, their mentality is the cheerleader. We got to push hard. We got to go through this and they push them till they literally break. If you have somebody who is battling depression or anxiety,

breaking them is probably the worst fucking thing you can do. It's not only bad, it's dangerous. Demoralizing is shit. Well, you break someone who's got depression, you can go from mild moderate depression to severe depression, which is dangerous. It's like, hey, bro, you're fat. I just wanted to remind you how fat you are.

You know, say like how incompetent you are. It's gonna be skills that I have. When you're dealing with someone with depression, anxiety, it is the complete opposite approach than that. It's, you're trying to build this person up. This person is probably, they're eating and they're at, they're in the place that they're at because they have been battling this depression and anxiety for so long that they probably ate themselves into the obesity that they're at right now. So being mindful of that as a trainer and knowing that, I've got to pull this person mindful of that as a trainer and knowing that, I've got to pull this person out of that

and the best way of doing that is not reminding them how fucking incompetent they are by breaking them off in a workout. It's by building, hey, let's go for a walk today. Let's you and I walk today. Should we have a chat? Yeah, let's have a chat and we talk about food and nutrition and education and we just move.

Focus on meat, we just move a little bit, burn a little bit of calories and we celebrate that. It's a new thing you weren't doing before. I have clients that will come in to work out or request to work out because they're feeling down. That is the sign. That is a sign of a good trainer. I'm not pumping myself up. But if you're a trainer and clients are coming to you and saying, you know what? I feel kind of down, but man, when I come and work out, I feel so good and happy afterwards. You've done a good job.

Creating an enjoyable experience. Exactly. Doug, do you have a statistic there for us? Is that where you're showing me? What is that? The highest percentage among women ages 40 to 50. 40 is the 50s, 23% of women are on antidepressants. Whoa.

That's almost one at every four people in antidepressants. That's incredible. It's a tire for women and men. Well, and that around 14%. Which makes sense, since probably 80% of our clientele is women. You know why it's tire for women? I don't think it's because women suffer

from depression more. I think it's because women seek help for depression more than women. Men are less much less likely to go to the doctor and say, hey, I'm depressed. Especially therapy. Right. So I think that's why the number is higher than women.

And if it's at 23%, there's gotta be a higher percentage that are suffering from depression that refuse any type of treatment. And we're not done, by the way, we're not knocking antidepressant drugs by any means. But I will say that. I'm in their place. Of course, I will say this.

Proper exercise and diet alleviates a lot of that. And I'd be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised. Start with that. I wouldn't be surprised if that number was dropped considerably if more women exercised in eight right and did it all properly. So next question, sir. Ryan Lee, what made you successful as trainers

and separated you from the rest? That's hilarious. No, I'll tell you why it's funny. Sure, what can he do? I'll tell you why that's funny, because when I started... Tell us how you're so good. Because...

Well, guys, I'll start. Yeah, number one here. I used to walk around with my shirt. Yeah. This is why, because when I first started as a trainer, I didn't know that much. I didn't know that much. I didn't know that much. I wasn't that good.

I wasn't a great trainer in terms of programming. I was thirsty for knowledge. So I was constantly learning. But that's not what made me successful initially. What made me successful initially was that I worked my ass off. I was in the gym all the time. I was talking to everybody.

I allowed my passion to come through. My passion for fitness to come through. And I talked to people. And people gravitated to me and wanted to work with me because of that passion. I later on developed my knowledge base and became an excellent, you know, a good trainer, yeah, it's skills.

But in the beginning it was just, I got in there and worked my ass off and I was not afraid to talk to people. That's the secret sauce. It's a same experience. Worked hard, stayed there, lived there, breathed it, did everything I could do. Asked a lot of questions, followed the best trainers around that I could possibly seek out was hungry for knowledge, tried my best every single time with every client I ever had to overwhelm them

with my own effort. And that really, I mean, people like to just dismiss the fact that it's just hard work. And hard work, as long as it's super focused, we'll take you to success. It's a formula that's time-tested, but it's not as sexy as what you want to hear as far as, well, I had this script that I use that would just kill it every time with every type of person. I'm such a good salesman and blah, blah. That's all great, but really, it amounts to your passion and your drive and your work ethic that's gonna take you

like miles above every well. Among all the hundreds of trainers that have worked for me, I have never had one that worked hard and was passionate, that didn't succeed. Yeah, there you go. Every single one of them, from the worst one, succeeded as well as they wanted to, who just simply worked hard and had a passion for pouring

themselves into these people. I'll try and be a little less cliche about it, just because I think that, right? How dare you? No offense, I mean, I just feel like that's, I'm a hands up. I, because I agree, a hundred percent agree with a voice for sure, I mean, it's, but I feel like that's, that's the answer for every fucking business to be successful.

Be passionate about it, work your fucking at, work more than the next guy. I guess what, you're going to be successful. And it's true. And that should be your staple formula. But there's some things that I feel like, and I could probably speak for these gentlemen since Justin and I worked together for a long time. I've been around so long enough to recognize his traits and things that he's like. Something that we all three have in common that neither one of these guys said that I think

is very bad. I'll give you an example. This has been since day one for me is in this career, I buy far, I'm not the smartest guy, I buy far. When I first started, I think I was terrible, but I did have this hunger and this passion that the guys are talking about. And that hunger and passion, what I did to put it to work would be this, would be, let's take an example of how this is applying to me right now.

Right now, I'm still growing, I'm still learning, I'm still improving on being a better trainer and better at my craft. So performance is like Justin's baby. And the reason why it's his baby, because this is where his forte, it'd be like comparing aesthetics to me, because I bodybuilding world and aesthetics is what I've been driven in and all of a lot of my reading and studying and program design has been centered around that. And performance is kind of his world.

So right now I'm living in his world of his expertise of mobility and functional training and performance and I'm going through that. Now the type of person I am, instead of trying to be arrogant and cocky about it and be like, I know more than him or I have a chip on my shoulder because I'm already a very educated smart trainer, probably smarter than fucking 90% of the trainers

that are out there. I still Will humble myself not only to suck up every bit of information that I can get from him But now and like you'll see what I'm doing right now is I'm fully Dove into this world. I'm all about mobility right now I'm constantly reading and learning myself and practicing and applying in the gym and I will become a fucking master at it. And I will not stop until I am wrecked. I am recognized as somebody who was a master in that. My entire career has been that way.

It doesn't matter what part of the career is whether it be a sales aspect, whether it be my personal skills, my social awareness with people, my ability to lead people, all these skills sets are skills that will make you an incredibly talented trainer. And all trainers possess some of these skills somewhat or they have one of them that they're really strong in. And the problem is so many of them allow ego to get in the way and never grow and develop

in all the other areas because they find a way to become somewhat successful because of one one way or dogma has worked for them that they close their blinder. They have blinders on and they don't allow themselves to continue to evolve and grow. I embrace that shit. If I find something that I am not a master in, I want to learn. I want to master it. I want to fail at it. I want to suck at it. Make fun of me because I'm not mobile right now.

Make fun of me when I'm in there doing an exercise that look like a pussy while I'm doing it because I'm not suck at it, make fun of me because I'm not mobile right now. Make fun of me when I'm in there doing an exercise that look like a pussy while I'm doing it because I'm not good at it. I don't give a shit because I'm mastering that craft right now. You're talking about the growth mindset. And that's such a great point because yeah, I do say that in each one of you guys,

and I myself included, I have no problem putting myself out there being ridiculed in order for me to grow as a person into a master this avenue that I'm seeking. And, but the other point to that, then too, is like, you do what you say you're gonna do. You know what I mean? And I feel like each one of us, like Sally's like,

you know, I'm gonna sell my gym and I'm gonna be all about this. And that was it. Like I don't question him on any of his decision making process because I know that, you know, when we make a decision, like people know you because you're gonna do it. And that's integrity. That's integrity and it's being authentic. And I feel like that's such a big piece to all this.

You can't, you know what? I'll tell you what, integrity is, especially for a trainer. I'm gonna give you guys an example. We have a trainer, I'm not gonna say his name. We have a trainer who has been training clients in the gym that I train at, which I used to own, right? And when I watch this guy train, he's an excellent trainer. He's actually one of the better trainers I've seen.

He knows his shit. He trains people excellent. Good, you know, warm up, functional warm up, mobility is good on the power lifts, he's good on the strength training, he's good on modifying his programming for depending on the client, whether they're older or young, very, very good.

Okay. He has now no showed three separate clients three times. Right? Just, just in fucking show up. Yeah. And no, no, my schedule I messed up a that is fucking stupid that is That right there if that if you work for me I would have booted as so fast because that is an amateur stupid mistake

And as a trainer if you lose your integrity you out of you've lost you are not gonna be successful a trainer With no integrity is a shitty trainer. I don't care how much knowledge you have and what you know So it would add it would just what's not about integrity, definitely have integrity. If you say something to your client, you better fucking deliver and you better be there for them. And if you can do that, then they're going to be there for you. Well, you know, we talked about this in a previous podcast where we talked about the biggest mistake that you can make as a trainer. And I mentioned tying yourself to a one way or a dogma, right? Because, you know, maybe it's, you know, right now it's hot or that's what everyone's doing.

You know, if you, if you become a trainer, then that's part of having integrity, you know, it's, is being the ability to, hey, I don't know for sure. Or, you know, let me look that up or let me, let me research that. I still to this day do that all the time. If someone asked me a question and I don't have a very educated answer for them, right then and there. I will tell them. I'll say, you know what?

It could be this. It could be that. I'm not sure. Let me read a little bit on it and get back to you and then I'll probably give you some better advice on that. Or let me ask somebody who I know is very intelligent in that area. And so many trainers are afraid to do that. They feel like they have to know everything.

Yes. They feel like they need to be. I was just mentoring a trainer the other day about that. They feel like they have to know everything. Yes, they feel like they need to be, I was just mentoring a trainer the other day about that. And I'm talking to her about coming to me and asking me questions like that. I'm like, you know, ask me if you don't know. Don't try and figure out yourself or don't shy away from it to explain to person because somebody asks you and then you get nervous and you don't want to talk about it because you don't know. Say, I don't know, but I do know Adam knows and I'll ask him and he'll be able to explain that better.

It's okay to do that. Yeah. You know, people will respect that when you do that, just because they'll, where you'll lose respect and you'll lose that integrity is trying to bullshit your way through it. And then that comes out and then you'll be forever tainted with that person and anybody that's connected to that person

because that person will say, oh yeah, no, I thought that he was, you know, talking about this bullshit, you know. So you gotta be careful. Yeah, I'm bringing in professionals, like you said, too. Like you're not trying to be the jack of all trades, you're trying to stay, you know, very focused with what you're providing with service,

and then you're enhancing that experience by bringing other like super specialized qualified people into the mix. Absolutely. Fit to be soon is asking, would you be a living organ donor? To who? A family and friend.

I'd give Justin a organ. Yeah, which one? You do that every day. I, damn it. Gotcha. Block it some of that one. Yeah, fan. Genitals aren't organs, are they?

To family members, I mean, for sure. If it was like, I mean, someone important to me, yeah, I'd give them, I'd give them everything. I'd sacrifice my life for them. To the, to just a random person. Wow, that's a powerful, that's a powerful thing to ask. While I'm alive, why am I dead? Sure, take it.

You know what I'm saying? What I'm saying is like, if I had to give a body part which would kill me to save my, you know, my family member, someone close to me, I'm saying what I'm saying is like if I had to give a body part, which would kill me to save my, you know, my family member someone close me. I would even do that. But That's a very powerful question. You know, I recently have really come to terms with how I for myself how I define success and Trust me. I'm going. I'm still on the subject. I was wondering. I'm like, no, one of those definitions is having your organs? No, I'm still on the subject. No, I'll tell you what. It's really successful.

I've made it this far to have all my organs. Tell my organs. No, it's, you know, for some people's success is monetary. And for me, I tied a little bit of success to that, but for me, it's never been monetary. I really came to that realization more recently. I mean, I'll give you an example. I was 19 years old. I was managing gyms. It's never been monetary. And I really came to that realization more recently. I mean, I'll give you an example.

I was 19 years old. I was managing gyms. This is back in like 1999 or 98. I was making well over six figures and I drove a fucking Volkswagen. I lived with my parents. To me, he still drives that Volkswagen. Not the same one, but I still do.

To me, that's not what I derive fulfillment and pleasure out of. I derive fulfillment and pleasure out of helping people. And so when this question, when Doug just posed this and then you're thinking like to anybody, wow, that's a powerful thing to say, to be able to donate one of your organs while you're alive, like one of your kidneys to somebody who might need it. I mean, I would, I would, anybody who did that would have the, I would have the utmost respect for.

That's an, that would be an amazing thing. I don't know if I would, I don't know if I'd be able to do it. I don't know, I'll think about it. That's interesting. I would have to be moved to do that. They'd have to close you. Yeah, I mean, somebody could,

yeah, well, yeah, exactly. I mean, let's be honest. If you just knocked on my doors and, hey, Brian, you need a viral kidney. Can I have one? And I don't know who you are. Like, no, but, you know, maybe, let's be honest. If you just knocked on my doors and hey, Brian, you need a bar on kidney. Can I have one? I don't know who you are like, no, but you know, maybe, maybe, maybe it's two. Maybe it's somebody who, you know, everything's compatible. So you know, it would work. You know that, you know, this person is a very important person in your life.

Maybe they're not a family or friend, but they're just important. The role they have played, whether it be a mentorship or they've done something very special in the world that you feel like that person is more important than you and you and you have you've been moved. You've been moved that way where that's the only way I'd feel inclined to give one of my organs why I'm still alive to somebody, you know, if it's not. What was it just when you're still alive? Because I know that like you need a big deal when you're dead. Yeah, it's not, but it is for some people in their culture and their, you know, religious practice or whatever it is. Yeah, it's not, but it is for some people in their culture and their religious practice or whatever it is. Yeah, like, Oh, I don't give a shit.

I don't either. Obviously, yeah, take, put it up to science, you know. Exactly. Take my, my organs, brains, balls, whatever you want. Yeah. Can you donate balls? I would hope so.

I'm sure they can, they can, somebody could use them. Well, I'm asking because I have to get some great ones. I have too many. Yeah, I just might as well. Yeah, I'm not some of them. The third one I have to get some great ones. I have too many. Yeah, so I just might as well try to make some of them. Your third one is to go to the orphans. I don't know.

Yeah, that would be powerful to give somebody in Oregon like that. I mean, I think that would be the ultimate first. We're not talking about balls anymore. So, I'll put it in a box full of ice. No, I'd love to give some of my heart. I always hear stories like that. Like, when they're rushing the heart to somebody, right, is this person died and it just, it kept them alive and it changed their whole life.

That's powerful stuff. So, for me, having a living organ donor, I could see it because it's tough for me to say no to people in need that are like really in need. You know, I mean, if they come, they come at me with this story and, uh, I don't know, though, it would be a very tough position. Yeah, I'm not throwing that out there. I just got my blood work to the edge. My kidneys are pretty much shot.

I'm gonna need one of those. Justin. I'm running on one adrenal gland already, so I don't want to like you know having you know everything you know I mean throw a Justin's liver is incredibly effective efficient effective thinking metabolize alcohol right now we're gonna take half your liver and give it to five people with that leave us a five star rating review on iTunes check out our testimonials at mine pump media dot com and don't forget to check us out on Instagram at MindPumpRadio. You can find me at MindPumpSal,

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