Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2566: The Best Way to Measure Progress in the Gym & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: April 2, 2025

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As you embark on your fitness journey, it's important to measure your progress, but what's the best progress to measure? There's so many things you can look at. Look, we're going to make the case that performance, performance is one of the best metrics to measure. It leads to the best results regardless of what your goals are. Let's talk about this. So I'll start with the first reason why performance is such a great thing to track and measure.

One of the most important reasons why I say this is because although it's not impossible, it is hard to be unhealthy and continue to see good performance. So good performance tends to go along with good health. Whereas you could change how you look, you could get leaner, you could do lots of different things with different goals and actually become less healthy.

So performance tends to be, it's not always, you can go crazy with this as well, but performance in general tends to improve health if your performance is improving. It's just like psychologically better to focus. It's more simplistic, I guess, in terms of focusing on one specific metric in front of you and like, look, is this working?

Is this not working? And the byproduct of that is really where we see a lot of what we actually want. And so that's, I think, too, this is why you'll hear a lot of times when people call on the show and we're trying to kind of steer them a little bit more in this direction, if they're a little too body focused, a little too obsessive over the mirror and the scale and a lot of these things that really do spin you Psychologically all the time. Yeah when we talk about the things that Made us go from being okay or not very good trainers to being good or great trainers This was a piece of my journey totally getting to this place and I share that because it took me a long time to get there

I you know, I was you know known for saying that I don't all show, no go. I don't care how much I can lift or how strong I am. No chick ever asked me that when I took my shirt off. It's a fair point. And I was so bought into that for my own personal self that it didn't allow me to see how important it was for me to shift how important it was for me to shift that way of thinking for so many clients. This was one of the last pieces of me getting to be a more fully rounded, better coach and

trainer was realizing this. I had way more success with clients when I started to tie their success and communicate. When I say tie to their success, tie their success, I mean tie their success and communicate. When I say tie to their success, tie to their success, I mean communicate their success in terms of performance. Because the scale can go up or down, body fat percentage can go up or down, the person can subjectively feel they look better or look worse.

But when I constantly communicated performance like you're stronger, you have more stamina, oh my God, your mobility's better, your back pain is gone, you can squat deeper, you can do this exercise you couldn't do before. I would constantly communicate performance because it would get them to connect their success to their performance, and that road,

that road of performance, it consistently led them in the right direction. Whereas the other metrics can move in the wrong direction or can move them away from what is truly important. So when my clients got excited about getting stronger, about gaining stamina, gaining mobility, about doing a new exercise, having less pain, what I found was I was far more successful

at getting people to like to work out for the rest of their life. And that was a huge win. The tipping point for me was seeing so many clients that I had that I knew we were doing the right things, but they were unhappy with the way they looked, or unhappy with the scale. And so it put me in this weird position

because of coming from the guy who always talked the, all show, no go type of mantra. And then I got these clients who I know were doing the right things, nutritionally exercise, and they're not happy with the way they look or they're not happy with what's going on with the scale, yet I know that we're doing the right things. And so it forced me to have to focus on something else

because I'm like, you can't, it's hard to tell somebody who that's all they care about what they're focusing on and they're doing the right things. And there's a lot of other variables that can make a person who is measuring their success by the way they look in the mirror that could really throw you off. And we've talked about this many times, carbohydrates, sodium, stress, inflammation, poor sleep. I mean, there's a whole host of things that could happen in a 24 to 48 hour window that could cause the reflection of the mirror to not really interpret what's been going on in our diet and our routine.

And so that can be so deceiving and I think it misleads a lot of clients that are actually doing really good, but because they don't like what they see in their reflection, they don't like what they see on the scale, they course correct and then they go the opposite direction. Yes, it also helps with the ultra focus on the mirror, which is natural. It's natural when you first start working out to focus on the mirror so much, focusing on performance moves you away from that. By the way, the data on this is not just clear, it's revealing and it's remarkable.

Strength and stamina, for example, strength and stamina are much more strongly correlated with health and longevity than body composition. In other words, somebody who's overweight, who is strong and has good endurance and good fitness is healthier generally than somebody who has good body composition who doesn't have good strength and stamina and athletic performance. So, it's not just it's a better way to move you in the right direction. For health, it typically means you're healthy. Whereas body composition doesn't always tell you you're healthy. Take a bodybuilder. Bodybuilder is an extreme example, but here's someone with a lot of muscle, little body fat,

and many of them do not exemplify longevity and health. So the body composition would lie, right? Whereas somebody who's, you know, you could have a man that's 20% body fat, which is 5% above what would be considered athletic, but they could be very fit and strong and great endurance and mobile, probably healthy. They're probably healthy.

So if you're trying to make this a lifelong pursuit, performance tells you more about your health than your body composition does. Now that doesn't mean body composition won't tell you anything about your health. Right. Because at some point it makes a difference as well. But it's just not as powerful of a correlate.

This is why you have the grip strength test being such a great predictor or a better predictor of all cause mortality than even obesity. We actually talked about this in a recent episode. Obesity can predict all cause mortality. Grip strength does a better job of that. How is that possible? Because performance tells you more about your health than the way you look or even your body fat percentage does so that's it

That's an extremely important point important point to identify It's also far less likely to feed body dysmorphia So body dysmorphia is a real thing right and so you run and look just one one way shape or another to some extent all of us have most people have Suffered from this in a little bit or a lot, right? But you can definitely. There's doses of it. Yeah, like how you look in the mirror is very subjective.

We all know that person, so I'm not gonna talk about yourself, because you're gonna be distorted, but you all know that person. Everybody has that person in their life, or people in their life that talk about how bad they look, and you think they're crazy. Like what do you mean you look bad? You look amazing.

Maybe it's your spouse. I mean, wouldn did you argue? Wouldn't you argue or say that Everybody who signs up for the gym or gets started on their journey has some form of this probably Yeah, I mean can you can you even think to yourself a handful of people that you've met? I mean, maybe I've come across a couple Yeah, but then again, I think I can think of a couple aren't, but maybe that's because they already worked through this 20 years ago. But most everybody who gets started, it comes from a place normally of insecurity and some form or another of body dysmorphia. I'm unhappy with the way I look, therefore I'm going to change this.

It's so subjective. Here's some great evidence. People who are most satisfied with the way their body looks, when you look at the data, are people in their 60s and 70s. Way out of their prime. They're not in their 20s. We would say a typical 65 year old doesn't look good as a typical 25 year old, and yet they're most satisfied with it. So it has less to do with the objective reflection and more to do how you perceive yourself. Body dysmorphia is a real thing. It's actually worse for fitness fanatics. This can become a real problem for people who become super consistent with fitness where

there's this goal post that they can never reach. It actually results in some unhealthy behaviors. I've suffered from this myself and many people in fitness industry have as well. Performance moves you away from this because it becomes less about what you look like and it's more about what you can do. It's what I can do in the gym. It's what I can do on the field or outside or how I move. Essentially it's about how I feel versus how I look. And so it moves you away from this potential roadblock that is a real roadblock. It's actually more of a roadblock the more consistent you become with your fitness.

This is the irony of becoming consistent with fitness. You take anybody who's sedentary and you get them to become very consistent for years and years and years. Inevitably this is the roadblock to hit is the body dysmorphia one. Where they're like, I've been doing this for years, I can't get the extra five pounds off,

or how do I change this one thing? We get callers like this all the time. We look at them, we're like, you look great, what are you talking about? It's like, ah, what do I do? What we typically do is we tell them to move into performance because it tends to not feed this as much as all the other metrics do.

This next point I love, right? When I say performance, or when we say performance, you can look at one performance metric, like strength, stamina, mobility, flexibility, but when we talk about performance in this context, we're talking about overall performance. Here's the beauty of overall performance. There's natural checks and balances in it.

You go too far one way way you pull from another direction. So can you be too focused on strength where that results in unhealthy behaviors? Yes. Can you be too focused on endurance where that starts to take away from health and longevity and quality of life? Yes. Is it more difficult to do this when it's all of it? Yes. Because I can only get so strong if I'm also focusing on stability and stamina and flexibility. So when you look at overall performance,

they tend to naturally balance each other out. And that's not perfect, because you go extreme in the everything department as well, you know, CrossFit. But my point with this is this direction tends to check itself pretty well because you go too far in one direction. There's natural limiters.

There are natural limiters. And it's, like you said, it's built in. And what's cool about it though too is you can approach it with that already, that knowledge already there. Like I know that if I just keep performing and training in this specific direction to get better and improve, I can actually step to the side, build up the support system,

I can reinforce my joints, I can do all these things to then come back and then make another leap forward. But it's steps and it's progressive steps that you can take to keep trying to kind of maximize that pinnacle goal. Obviously at some point, you're going to want to completely shift your goal to build your overall body and complete sort of this overall perspective of it. But there are ways to, once you really learn more about performance,

you can compliment it with accessory type movements to really keep things going. Do you think that we could make a general test that would help people figure this out? I know we all did this individually for our clients, which nothing is better than that, right? Nothing is better than... Yeah, because someone might like strength a little more. Right, right. There's nothing better than like, but I mean, it would be kind of cool.

And I'm just, again, I'm just putting out... General performance test? Yeah, like if it like... Like run a mile and then lift a smile. Exactly. Run a mile, like do one for male and female, you know, run a mile within this time. Maybe just like we have for the, we did this recently not that long ago for all the exercises, deadlift, squat. If we did like a male and female general, this would be considered good, this is great, this is poor. Yeah I like that. And do one for flexibility, mobility, strength, stamina, endurance, like

that kind of a cool thing to build. You know what you should bring up Doug is the old presidential fitness class. That wasn't very good. Well I want to see I want to remember what it was sit and reach it was one mile Okay, so one mile one mile pull up pull up sit up sit up. I think that was it I think it was it. I think it was sit ups pull up pull ups sit sit what push-ups It might have been maybe maybe feel like I don't know. Maybe I'm maybe I dips. No, not dip There's definitely pull ups. It was pull there might be push-ups. I don't know maybe maybe I dips no not dip. There's definitely pull-ups. It was pull there might be push-ups I don't remember there's sit and reach there's one mile run. How many okay a series of events including pull-ups sit-ups shuttle run That's right broad jump 50 yard dash and a softball throw that was that's an older one

Yeah, well, it says 1956. You know what that one's better. Yeah, that's pretty good. They had a good They had a good grasp of overall Health I didn't think I didn't think about including a throw. That's a really good. That's a great 100% That's a fundamental human. Yes, that's awesome. I want to see the one that we did look up presidential fitness test 1980s each the Shuttle run was there. Yeah, I think I do remember the shuttle run. I thought it was a mile run. I didn't think it was a shuttle run. I did a mile.

There was a mile run. Okay, one mile run. See, one mile run, sit ups, pull ups, okay. Oh, there was a shuttle run included that too. And a sit and reach. Yeah, yeah. You know which one? Where's the sit and reach at?

Show more, Doug. Right here. Oh, right there. It does say sit and reach right there. And there was a softball, but they took it out in the 80s. Huh, Dom. Yeah, we didn't have that.

So that's really good. I like the shuttle run because you need to have the ability to stop and change directions. The strength tests are great. One mile run is great. We'll see if it's lateral movement, which is great. Oh, they did pull-ups for boys, push-ups for girls. Now, I remember for girls, what they did for us

was a hang, was a hold. They had to get up and pull up and hold. Yeah, yes. So you're just doing the girls version? Dang. No, you're right, because you know what? I do remember that girls would do it off their knees and guys would do it regular like that.

Yeah, I feel like I did put, maybe we just added that in. No, you're right. I think you're right. I think that's part of that. I mean, that looks really spot on right there. You know which one I am. But you know how cool this would be? Yes.

To create. To make one for adults. Yeah, maybe we'll come up with some sort of a free guide or something like that. I think it'll be a cool way to like. I mean, if you look at all those, they all kind of have balance, you know, even those, which I think we can make a better one, have their own checks and balances. That's the point, right? So to give you an example, like let's say strength, like you just, that's your favorite thing, your strength, right?

I like to be strong. At some point your mobility is gonna give you a check and balance. And at some point you might even have stamina as a check and balance where you notice like, yeah, I'm big and strong. Well, even balance is not really expressed in this. Yeah, but I get tired when I play with my kids, right? So the checks and balances are built in to performance. Yeah, Justin, adding some sort of a stability component would be cool.

You get a little bit of rotation, anti-rotation with the throw. You get, of course, the endurance with the one-mile run. You get a little bit of speed with the shuttle. You get strength with the body, the push-ups and then core with sit-ups. So it does a pretty good job. I do think we can make one cooler. I think we can make one that's better than that.

You know what's a funny one is getting people to do a somersault, where they're actually rolling and having the thoracic flexibility. It's really hard, dude. That's also vestibular health. Some people don't have good vestibular health. So they're trying to- It's really hard for people to do it. Yeah, yeah, and that's a good one.

I mean, I definitely think that obviously for kids, this is probably easier, but I do think, like I said the other day on the podcast, to get up off the ground with no hands is definitely gotta be- That should be a standard, especially for the older community. Yeah, let's make one. One last point with this, to just close it off,

is that good performance will lead more consistently to the aesthetics that people are looking for than aesthetics will lead to performance. Okay, so in other words, if somebody works out in over a threeyear period, they're focused on improving their strength, their stamina, their flexibility, their mobility, their ability to do exercises. At the end of three years, they're going to look really good versus somebody who for three years is only focused on how they look. That often

results in some negative results. Well, this is a general visual, but imagine somebody that just did machines in your corporate gym, only, only machines. Now have them go out and play any kind of a game. Sure, yeah. Sure, yeah. They're gonna blow out every joint they got.

Yeah, 100%. Anyway, I got a study to bring up for you with a supplement that, have you guys heard of the supplement Betaine? Betaine? B-E-T-A-I-N-E? I have not. Okay, so Betaine is, it's been around for a long time.

It's a methyl donor, meaning it helps with the methylation process in the body. It's been widely recommended as an exercise performance enhancing product. There's always been a little bit of controversy. Does it actually work? Does it not work? Well, a study came out. This is a double blind placebo controlled crossover trial. Really good. It looked at the performance in hormonal markers in 43 trained male athletes. These were athletes, people who worked out, 43 of them. And they took either two and a half grams or five grams a day of betaine or a placebo for three weeks. The findings, people who took betaine got an improvement in their performance by 8.7%.

Testosterone levels went up a little bit, about 7%, no change in cortisol, no change in body composition or anaerobic power or fatigue, but they did see the improvement in general overall performance. Now it was a short period, it was athletes, they didn't really standardize their diet and they think that maybe body composition changes would take longer to show because it was kind of short but I do know that people have it's included in many supplements I know that some of our most trusted friends in the supplement industry will include it in their like pre-workouts and stuff like that but it's a really inexpensive supplement it's really expensive

Where's it derived from? I want to say I I know it's a methyl donor. Let me look it up because I think it has to do with acetylcholine and it helps with acetylcholine. Is it common that you find it? Like would you find it in Legion, Organifi, and some of their products? Beetroot, okay, it's an active metabolite of choline. Okay, so that's why. So it does help with acetylcholine production.

So it's also an Osmo regulator like creatine, which is good. I didn't know that. So it could increase the pump to an extent, or the cell volumizing effect. So it probably makes it a good combination with creatine. It's an inexpensive supplement. And then I would surmise that people with the MTHFR gene, where they have challenges with methylation, probably benefit from supplement. What do you think like? Percentage wise of people like struggle with like methylation like that's an issue for them

Doug look up what percentage of the population has the mthfr Gene because I don't know yeah, because I mean I feel like that that is an issue that I don't what are some of the downstream? Effects that you're not getting your lower energy. You're not gonna. You're not gonna be able to Utilize vitamins as effectively problem you don't Detoxify as well in the body so things can build up in the body Wow 30 to 40 percent of the American population may have a mutation. Well, that's a lot.

Yeah. So Doug, look up the symptoms of MTHFR, MTHFR gene. So, you know, by the way, if you get this tested, and sometimes they'll tell you, don't make it public, because some people speculate that insurance companies then will will tag you Really? Yeah because of how it can affect Certain things so so brain fog fatigue anxiety depression joint pain migraines Infertility birth defects, but that's because of the the reduced ability to use certain nutrients

Creighton is a great supplement for these people. I mean, how often do you think that clients of ours that felt like they were doing all the right things were not seeing the results they should be seeing because of something like that? You know what I did back in the day? So I didn't test for this. I don't know how to test for this, but I did know just surface level methylation issues. So when I would have clients that would present with like B vitamin deficiency kind of symptoms and then they'd supplement with B vitamins, still have no results. I once had a functional medicine practitioner

that I worked with recommend to my client methylated B vitamins. Made a huge difference. So anytime I had a client who presented these symptoms, we tried B vitamins, didn't work, I'd switch to methylated and I'd say 50% of time it would have did the trick. Interesting. Yeah. Huh. Yeah. That's interesting.

And then creatine is really great. What led to you going down that rabbit hole? I just read a study on, it popped up on betaine and it's rare that you see a well-made study that's placebo-controlled, double double blind, crossover, where you see a performance improvement that registers. It's not super common. So this one showed that. So speaking of supplements, and I'm wondering

if the same thing is happening right now with colostrum, that a new study must have hit or something, because this is how I always know, like we just recently either had a caller or guest Where this was part of the conversation? I can't I don't recall if you guys remember or not How that came up in our discussion and we're just talking about like it's been around forever We've known that we've known the benefits of it yada yada

Well, I always know when I get like a family or friend or something like that Who like buys it and then calls me or text me like hey, I got this new thing What do you think or I heard on this, like I had two different people just recently asked me about colostrum and one of them said that they've heard two podcasters raving about how amazing it is. And it's like, here's another example of like the recycling of supplements. And now I wonder though, if, and maybe Doug, I don't know how you would search this, maybe help Doug, like make a new study on colostrum, like maybe something new came out and so that's what tends to trigger this.

I'm pretty familiar with colostrum. So colostrum is funny you said recycling supplements. It's one of the oldest supplements that has been marketed. So it's the first milk that comes out. Yeah, you get from breast milk. You see like mothers will see this. It's the initial milk that comes out, looks a little different.

It's high in compounds that are good for the immune system. So what does colostrum do for humans? There's studies that show it's good for the immune system and for gut health, but that's- That's where it kinda ends. That's the benefits, yeah. So now- Is there anything that we, normal adults,

because obviously infants, if you're breastfeeding, you would get it, now is there is there anything that we normal adults because obviously infants you're if you're if you're breastfeeding you would get it But is there examples of where we would get it as normal humans in our regular diet? No, just from cows and it has I'm assuming has to be like raw milk in order to do that from it's from cows Who produce it literally that's what they do as soon as the cow produces milk. Yeah, the first milk Then they'll collect the colostrum. Yeah, and that's what you're getting. It's cows, they're not getting human colostrum. There was a movement that, I don't know if I was watching some weird taboo show, but you see that where they go to like milk banks and they're buying. Bodybuilder was buying it.

Bodybuilder was buying it. Oh yeah, that was drinking a few years ago. It was really popular. Yeah. They did a whole little document. So here's how they marketed colostrum in the early 90s. So colostrum, and it's just brilliant marketing by the way, the rate of growth of a calf or a baby in those initial, in that initial piece, crazy. So like you see a calf initially grown, it's

like they explode. Same thing with a baby, like a baby in the first month, their size, you know, the first- This is how they normally promote things that, you know, promote growth hormone boost too. Yes. You know what I'm saying? This is what happens when you're a child and you grow this big. Yeah. So like, what is, you know, what's, what are the reasons why they grow so fast is colostrum or whatever.

No, it's not going to make you build crazy muscles. Look, it is a trend right now. Yes. Yeah. So it's just because they're selling it as, I guess, supplement companies are trying to sell it Listen though it has real gut health benefits And it does seem to have some immune boosting benefits if you can tolerate dairy

Well, that's a problem a lot of people have got health issues can't tolerate dairy Yeah, I mean I told my I told my my friend and family was just like yeah, no, it's good And but they were like, oh man, I hope I thought I'm like, well, don't hold your breath Don't hold your breath. You're gonna see like massive difference by taking it's good. But they were like, oh man, I hope I found money. Well, don't hold your breath. Don't hold your breath, you're gonna see like massive difference by taking it. It's been around for a long time. Where I go buy raw milk, and unfortunately,

you can't do this throughout much of the country, but we can buy raw milk here. There's a couple places that's where my kids drink it. You can also buy colostrum from the same company. And it's like a yellowish tinge. Yeah, it's yellow. Now I feel like that would be the best way to get it. Is like, yeah, then take a pill or a supple.

Instead of a dried capsule form. Yeah, get like the real thing. Yeah, 100% dude. It tastes- Right from the utter. It tastes really good too. Have you tried it? You're a milkman. I have, yeah. Yeah, I've tried it. Tastes good. It's like creamy milk. It's more fat in it, right?

Look at the macros, the colostrum versus whole milk. There's more fat in it, if I'm not mistaken, than true, so it's really, really creamy and thick. Speaking of studies and stuff, I was also reading about terpenes. So terpenes are what give certain plants and compounds. They're like the oils that you find in lemons. It's smell, it's flavor.

Yeah, basil, like all these different terpenes. They're also fat, let me see, it has kind of, oh no, it's got higher concentration of protein in colostrum. And it's lower in fat. I was totally wrong. So this is what I thought, Sal. I was totally wrong.

Because it's higher in protein. I always assume that if you had a protein rich diet where you get the adequate amount of protein, this is gonna be less beneficial. Somebody who is low on their protein, they take colostrum, tend to feel these added benefits to it. Well, they say they have immunoglobulins,

globulins, gobble. Gobble, gobble. Yeah, they're in there. Anyway, so back to terpenes. So I was reading about terpenes because they have real health benefits, especially in combination with other compounds found in plants, and in particular the hemp plant. When you have cannabinoids, you combine them with terpenes.

Then you get this really awesome effect. I found a chart, I saved it, on what studies are showing on the terpenes themselves and kind of what they do for the body. So this is what the data shows on some of these terpenes. And it's a really cool chart. So I'll explain what they are. So you have beta-caraphalene, which has effects that are uplifting, relaxing. It's peppery.

So it's got a peppery and a wood smell to it. Then there's mercine, relaxing and sedating, that's the musky kind of smell. Then there's alpha-pinene which definitely sounds piney. Piney. That's anti-anxiety. Humaline which is earthy, that's pain relieving. Limonene, obviously citrus, anti-anxiety and then lool, which has got the minty or floral scent, is a sleep aid anti-anxiety. So when you're looking for hemp or even cannabis, you probably, when you're looking for something

that's relaxing, uplifting, whatever, it's the terpenes that are probably making the biggest difference. Yeah. Well this is what, we've talked about this before, right? I remember when we first started working with Ned, and those that have been listening to the podcast for a long time know Sal's and I's history

of kind of how we met. I was in the cannabis industry, he was researching stuff for his mother-in-law and we kind of hit it off talking about marijuana first. And this was one of the things that led us to know that Ned was really on the cutting edge stuff was because early on there was a lot of, most people thought that all those effects

from all the different terpenes that you're talking about were related to the CBD or THC content. So it was always like the way they marketed cannabis early on was like, oh, you want sleep, so you want high indica, and you want low sativa, oh, you want the uplifting mood, you want high sativa so it was always a combined to the percentage of indica and sativa is how they used to communicate it. I remember when the science was coming out about the terpenes that that was what

was really determining it and there was very few people that were communicating that and then I remember that call with Ned and they knew that they knew that when we first met so their Brain blend will have certain cannabinoids, but also terpene Match it. Yeah, same thing with their sleep bands and then their general one So when you you take the brain blend, it's more uplifting, you know, this when we try it It's different than the sleep band will put you to sleep They also add other compounds in there help but they know what they're doing. It's funny They're like going to to one of those dispensaries and like a lot of these companies haven't

really caught on to that yet, to like really list out like the terpenes and their benefits and just to educate. I guess people go in there, they don't really give a shit. It's because the, I talked about this. Somebody was asking me about my experience in the cannabis industry and I go, you know, one of the things that was really always tough for me was, you know, this is so fulfilling, right? When you help people get healthier and fit, it's like across the board, 100% of the people

you're serving, it's amazing. You feel so good about it. And there's a percentage of those people that I got to introduce cannabis to. The grandmother with arthritis who was nervous and they thought it was taboo and all this stuff and then they did it and they went, oh my God, this was life changing. I'm going to take all these pills. Yeah. But that was like 5%.

Yeah. Maybe 5%. The other 95 were looking to get high. And so why you see that is that they're catering to the 95% of their customer and the 5% is just like. How baked am I going to get? I know I hear that. That was, that was 90% of what like, you know, someone would,

I remember too, like there was, there was companies that I was like so excited about that were like on the cutting edge science and they, they were a little more expensive because they put all the money into the research and they could measure all these things. And I could, I would talk to someone about it and then there would be this, you know, home baked wrapped in, you wrapped in cellophane wrap or whatever that had a sticker on it that said, four mega doses or something like that.

It was like the desktop. Oh yeah. It was a little bit cheaper than obviously the one with all the money and science put into it. They were like, I'll take that one right there. Forget, this one's probably way better for you and better for you. You will not remember a whole week. But I mean, that's just the truth of the industry.

I wouldn't forget my name. There's something going viral right now that I thought would be a good discussion with you guys that I wanted to bring up. So you guys know Ronaldo, the famous soccer player, right? Yeah. He's a handsome guy. There's this clip of him and his girlfriend being interviewed,

and it's going viral. And so the girlfriend is asked You know what? How come he hasn't married you yet? You know, like what's going on? How long they've been together Do you know good question? I don't know. I think they've been together for a while. It's good question So they're asking her this and she's like well, I asked him to marry me, you know this and that and then they go To him and he's like, you know, I told her I'll just know when it's right I'll feel the click and then I'll just you know whatever and so it went viral because you have people on either side like there's women who are like you got to make it up or shut yeah

either marry you or not other people like oh relax she's with we're not yeah let's see what's the old the eight years oh eight years what's the old he's under fire for saying he needs a click to marry his Georgina his girlfriend of eight years Oh boy, you know, okay So here's my I want to tell you what my opinion is because I think it's controversial. I don't hear you guys think so Okay, I I strongly believe I strongly believe this that that that women in Society with men with their husbands in particular one of the things that makes men grow up is a good woman. I just believe that's a fact.

I think without, we don't have a biological clock like women do, we're not, oh shit, I gotta have a baby right away. You'd be Peter Pan's forever. You leave a guy alone and he's just gonna just do his own thing and play video games and make some money and have fun and just not become responsible,

doesn't have to worry about whatever. And a good woman tends to pull out responsibility in him. It tends to make him want to step up, want to, okay, I want to get married, I want to have kids, now I need to settle down, I need to be responsible type of deal. And so I think that, you know, because a lot of people are hammering him, and I think he's going to do this as long as he can. I think he's Ronaldo, he's famous, he's handsome, and I think until a woman who he really likes says,

no, I'm not playing that game. Marry me or not, but I have to leave, I'm gonna leave you. I don't think the clique's gonna happen until she makes it. This is a little bit of a, I mean, because he's so famous and because he's so much attention,

it's a different, we're talking about a different thing. Oh, super hard. You know, like, I don't even think he's like, there's part of me that's like, I get it. Like he's, he's, he's, you've seen celebrities too that have gone through this that are just kind of like, they don't like officially make it a thing. And then, but they're really, like, you know, they're together and they're the law and they stay together. The longest, I don't know. There's this weird thing where they allow people inside to influence and pressure them to like into these ideas and these You know be involved in a relationship. You're like dude. It's not about anybody else's opinions

Yeah, but again like because he's he's such a public figure and there's all this like pressure I think it's it's different than like I the average guy the average guy like yeah, dude lock it in There is nothing average about that. Dude Most of us and everyone's talking so I don't see a lot of it working There's a couple things unpack what you said that I so first of all, I 100% and I know it's cliche to say it But I mean in my experience, every good man that I've ever met has a great man or great woman behind him, 100%. And the greater the man, the greater the woman that is alongside that man.

That's just been my experience across the board. So that's that. I mean, I just, I find that to be sort of, it's been very true in my journey with partners before and then having someone like Katrina, it's like I wouldn't be who I am, where I'm at without having somebody like that, hands down. Then you bring up what Justin is saying with, it would be so difficult to be that famous, that rich and you got to think that that person, because a lot of times when someone doesn't

marry for this long, I'm somebody like this, you have these deep rooted insecurities that are tied to it. Mine have nothing to do with I was worried some woman's gonna steal all my money. Mine is I did not wanna go down the same path as my parents did. I was so afraid of not breaking the cycle because I'm very aware how easily people get

into these generational cycles of they were verbally abusive, then you marry into verbally abusive. So I was terrified of getting a part so terrified that I would be dating a girl that had been with two years, we might even be living together, and she raised her voice one time with me and I'm like, that's it, it's over. Like, it was like, that's it. Like one time of like, if I, I mean, that's how terrified I was of making that mistake. So that was my insecurity, right? For a lot of the reasoning about what took me so long, right? Ronaldo, I can't imagine what it's like. I mean, he's damn near worth a billion dollars.

Every woman in the world would say, oh my God, he's like, everybody wants... So then you have to ask yourself, and I want to marry the woman, I want to settle down with a woman that I don't have to sign a prenup. I don't want to have to sign a prenup. I don't want to have to sign a pre-nup. He has to want it 100% before any of that happens. So I have to feel so- And she's kind of signing up for this. Like you date a guy like that, that's a challenge.

Yeah, he's got the money and the fame, but you know what? He's also got the money and the fame. So I would love to hear her perspective on this because I mean, of course, this is the media and everybody else I'm about because I mean, one of the things I loved about Katrina was Katrina's been unbelievably patient with that. She totally understands where I was coming from and Her best move in my opinion. It is the best move is to not care yes, it's to not care not be a big deal about it like I mean, I'm sure she's having a pretty good life right now and They have children together To two children. Oh, well, so okay. That's why she doesn't care

She has kids with them. That's different. That's to me. That's more of a like You're locked in you know, that's why I said to katrina when when she got pregnant and we weren't married still I was like There is no greater commitment. You'll ever get from marriage and having my kids Yeah, that's a bigger like this is my commitment to you that like literally I'd never tell her this like you could do me dirty. You could do me so dirty and I will forever take care of you and my son. I am now forever committed to you that way and I'm telling you right now you could do I now I think I picked the right woman that's not gonna do me dirty like that but I mean that's how me having a child with you is me saying that. So I have

conversations like this with my daughter she She's 15 and we have conversations. Now she's getting the age to start dating. She's a pretty girl, boys give her attention. And I sit her down and I say, look, I say men are gonna say everything you wanna hear to try to get you to be with them, to try to get you to do things with them. And they believe what they say half the time.

So it's not that they're bad, they're lying. They actually believe what they're saying. They believe their own shit. I said, you have to know your own value. So you have to be willing to say, no, this is it. And if not, then I'm not gonna be with you. And I told her, I said, I tell her, I said, that's gonna make you so valuable.

You have no idea. So you're gonna, it's two relationships. You might not have boyfriends. You might not be dating like all your friends when they're young, but you're gonna become so valuable that when a serious man comes along, who's serious and responsible and says, I want a wife, I wanna dedicate myself to her,

I wanna start a family, I wanna support them, he's gonna find you extremely valuable. And I think that that's a big part of this. A big part of this is, a lot of men aren't growing up because they don't have to. I know this saying, a lot people people get pissed off when they hear saying like why buy the why get the cow when the milk is sweet. That was the saying I was trying to figure out. That's such a popular saying. I get that there's two sides to

that but there's some real truth to it. I'm telling you right now if a lot of men were not getting the milk a lot of men would have to face the reality of becoming responsible and serious. They would have to face it and say, okay, well, you know, if I want a partner, I got to like really offer them something other than just, you know, sex and taking them out to dinner. Well, that was the precedent, right? They went into the relationship. So that's why we can't really judge. It's like, they set themselves up for this debacle.

That's my thing with this is like, cause I don't think that there is a one rule or one standard that everybody should have to agree to or play by. Like he's playing a different game than all of us. I don't care what we're all going through life, but he's playing a different game of life. You know why this went viral? It has less to do with Ronaldo or more to do with all the dudes and girls out there

that are experiencing this themselves. Yes, his experience, right? So that's exactly related to their day are connected There's somebody who's listening this conversation right now. Yeah fired up because he's been dating some dude Yeah, five years and that's happened. That's happened to them in the past. There's no okay. That's fine That's you want to set a rule that you would never do that well you probably would never date Ronaldo then because that's something that he's working through with his situation and if you

can't understand that, then that's probably not the woman that he wants, which is you're probably not that person. I mean, I have a personal experience with this. Not that I didn't want to grow up and be responsible. When I got divorced, I was like, I never want to experience that. I don't ever want to be go and put myself in that chance again. That was scary. I got divorced. I have kids. They're going to be raising a dual household. I don't want that, I don't ever want to be, go and put myself in that chance again. That was scary, I got divorced, I have kids, they're gonna be raising a dual household, I don't want that. I never want to put myself in that situation again.

So I dated Jessica for a while, she started applying the pressure to make that next step, and I was pushing back hard, and we go back and forth on it, and one day she came to me, she said, all right, I just want to be with you. And what happened, she took the pressure off, the fear kind of raised a little bit, or went away, and I said, oh my God, I want to marry with you. And what happened, she took the pressure off, the fear kind of raised a little bit or went away

and I said, oh my God, I want to marry this woman. And then we did. So I do think that it's complicated, but I definitely think that a lot of this power, I hate to say this, a lot of this power lies in women because men just don't want to be responsible. We don't have the same pressures. We don't have the same biological clock. We could just cruise through life and be

totally fine. By the way, look at the data on this. It's very interesting. Single women out earn single men. That's the data shows that. You know why? Because single guys ain't got nobody to take care of and they don't care. Married men are the ones that earn the most because they tend to be the, if someone's gonna be the sole breadwinner, it tends to be the man. Yes, so yeah. I think some of the best advice that you, when you just went through that roleplay scenario of talking to your daughter, and I think this is why I think it's such good advice, is because I don't think it just

applies to women. I think it applies to men, young men and women. Like when I talk to young 20 year olds that are talking about marriage and things like this, or in fact I had a question yesterday, I did my live questions, and it was like how do I attract the right mate and it's like I could tell the person looks like they were 17, 18 years old. It's like man, if you want to attract a really good partner and you're young, like stop focusing on that person or that person, focus on yourself. Exactly.

And the more you invest in yourself, the higher your stock rises and the better people you're going to attract. So if you are unhappy currently with the type of men or women that you are attracting to yourself, it's a reflection of what you're doing inside yourself. Put the effort and work into elevating that and you'll attract a whole new level of people and keep doing that until you are happy with the men or women that you're attracting, and especially for young people. And it just, the more you invest in yourself and growing and leveling up as a person,

becoming a better, the best version of you, the better the partner you're going to attract. I have a buddy who, this was a struggle for him for so long, I mean, he was in his 30s, and he was trying to be celibate, he was trying to find the right, he's a guy, a guy. And he he would talk with his pastor and at some point his pastor's told him, he goes, hey, maybe God's just asking you to just, you know, just to always be celibate. For the rest of the day, he's like, I don't want to hear that, man. I don't want to hear it.

Well, anyway, he found the right woman. They got married. They have a beautiful daughter together, great. And you talk to him about it, he's like, man, I almost broke, but I'm so glad. Pete Slauson You waited. Jared Slauson I tried to wait to wait and really become the right person, and they're so amazing together, and she's a wonderful woman. So it really worked out. The people that I feel like I've remembered

that journey and process, the people that are so, I think, are attractive are the people that are like that, that don't look thirsty, they're not trying to get all this attention, they're so focused on what they're doing and what they got going on. It's just like, people are drawn to that. That attracts the better person.

It does. And the more you do it and the better you elevate, the better the partner's going to be. And so I think that's the best part of that advice is like literally that is really focused on you becoming the best person. That's right. Speaking of attracting a wrong crowd, maybe right crowd on out, are you guys seeing this what's going viral right now

on women's sports? I think you had mentioned this to me before. Yeah, I actually saw a conversation around this as investing. Yeah, so women's- Has it gotten hotter? Women's beach volleyball. Can you look up trends around that?

Because I'm curious too, the fact that Sal brought that up and I had watched something on the investing side. Yeah, me bringing up some of sports is like, there's something going on. But Women's Beach volleyball is, there are lots of people talking about it because they wear thong bikinis while playing volleyball and it's making this

viewership go up and so people are like going back and forth over it. Weird. I know, I watch it. But why is that a conversation now? It's been that way forever. Thong? I didn't know they wore thong bikinis. I thought they watch it. I mean why is that a conversation now? It's been that way forever Yeah, I don't know. They were fun. We did they're even I thought they always did no I see a little X no the Olympics like somehow like the you're not talking about indoor volleyball the beach In somehow, you know, it's it's kind of annoying to me because I know what of course it gets more viewers

But god, you know women have a point when they talk about this It's like that's I was telling Justin this yeah Could you imagine what would happen to the viewership if men's volleyball did that? That that sucks Historically Is it's a reflection okay? Why is women's put it Google? Why is women's women's volleyball exploding right now? I'm just is it women's beach volleyball? Yeah, is it just so I the thing I saw investing was just volleyball in general. I mean Volleyball team it's everywhere as beaches

It's it's even like rivers like I went with my kids to go down to the river and like we're just there And then like a group of girls come out just all in thongs and say it's become the regular dude It's just it's crazy. That's the thing. So it's just literally it's just society. This is just now like, oh, we're seeing this in a sport now. It's like it's. Hyper sexualized man. It's really sad.

What does it say? Do you think inclusion in NCAA emerging sports for women program? Okay. Maybe that's why. Maybe that's why. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's. I didn't know they wore thong like, cause that's what's going viral. And people are like, that's the commenting is on that. I mean that's what I didn't know they wore thong like cuz that's what's going viral and people are

Like that's the commenting is on that. I think that's always because this beach beach volleyball has always been And then indoor they wear these bikini where they're like those little shorts booty shorts But that's kind of always been the outfit So bro you might you might be watching something that's not even likeed. It's like a bunch of girls that are just playing. No, it was sanctioned. So what happened was, it was legit. Sorority girls. Some sorority girls that are playing volleyball inside their colleges.

It was legit. It was legit. It was legit competition beach volleyball. But the debate was, people were mad about it. Like, oh, I know why this is popular, that's not fair. And then people were like, well, that's just the way the world is, and maybe basketball players should dress like, it was this back and forth type of deal.

And it kind of made me sad, because it's like, yeah, that's definitely an element. I could see that. I think you just got sucked into some random post that somebody did, because that's just what beach volleyball has always looked like, indoors got the shorts and I mean, yeah, I mean that's been that way forever though. Yeah I mean this yeah, they get oh they even have an option to do one piece if they wanted to and shorts But they're but so but you know, yeah, so in 1996 to 2012 it became the standard uniform

What happened in 2012 go down Doug Doug. Did they just keep getting smaller? Yeah. Now they allow for shorts and sleeve tops with two-piece remain an option. Women can now choose one-b suits, short sleeve top, full length leggings for religious or cultural reasons or in cold weather. Yeah, I don't know. I find it... I mean this is, don't know. I this is human nature dude. I know I mean It's a human nature guys are Louder about it mobile, but listen, I've plenty of chicks I know like watching dudes in football spandex and I've heard girls comment on he's my favorite player cuz way his ass looks in Yes, so this is not In yeah football same thing

But it wouldn't be as bad though it would go as far like you wouldn't see like booty shorts. But maybe you would if there was as much women into watching football as there was. Exactly. If there was a monetary reason. That's right if there was we'd be like eh. Well Justin made a good point he goes if dudes could make money wearing thongs playing volleyball. We would we would 100% I guarantee if a guy if someone would pay or people, it would blow the sport out, then they would. So I don't know. You can't fault the girls that do it. You can't really fault the guys that are attracted to it. It's kind of a key nature.

QMO volleyball hits just... Wow, bro. I think these types of debates are moot. It's like, if that bothers you, you don't like it. It's pointing out the obvious. Exactly. It's pointing the obvious out and it's like you have a problem with it don't watch it. The women have a choice they could put the shorts on or not. It's just like it's one of those things it's like it's very normal and human nature for guys to be attracted to girls wearing hardly anything diving around in the sand. It's just a reflection of society. I just see it and I'm like oh man what's going on here? This is crazy. I did not expect this already. Do you guys remember when your kids came home? I think, Sal, I think I've heard you talk about this before with your son with his math or something like that. Like the first time like you couldn't help them or they're like, okay, my kid is now getting smarter than me, or that, do you guys recall those moments? Yeah.

Oh, by the time they were in sixth or seventh grade, I was like, I can't really help you. Do you remember yours? Yeah, it was about seventh grade. He was just like. Seventh grade math. And it's math, because yeah, math for me was always challenging to begin with, so.

So I'm so embarrassed that mine's at pre-K that. What was it? You got him in a crazy school. Bro, I just like. You don't know the colors, like what's going on? embarrassed that mine's at pre-k that I don't know the color. No I picked my yeah that's like how embarrassing that that I mean I expected this to happen at one point where I wouldn't know what something was but I didn't expect it in

pre-k. We're not even in kindergarten. So I picked him up yesterday from school and every time I anytime I pick him up I'm like hey how was your day? What'd you learn today? What do you do with this? And he goes I learned about oviparous animals. I said what he goes Yeah, daddy. I learned about oviparous animals And I have no idea what that is and I was like I thought he was pronouncing something wrong And I was like what animal octopus octopus is you learned about today?

No, daddy oviparous and then I asked him and you guys know what ovipar is? I do not. An animal that comes from an egg. I was just going to guess that, dang it. I don't know, but I was going to guess it was an ovie. I was going to guess. So I didn't know that. And he apparently, and so I asked him, I said, well, then finally I realized that it's, he wasn't pronouncing it wrong. I said, well, what is that? And he goes, well, it could be a bird, an alligator. And I'm like, what the hell they have in common. Like, so I was on my brain was like spinning and then I saw the worksheet that he did. I'm like, I burned them. I didn't know that. I did not know that. But the hell I do teach my kid pre-k that's already. Oh yeah. Oh my God. I mean, I knew this was going to come one day. I was,

I thought for sure it'd be more like for me or higher high school. Cause my son was really, really good at math. So when she started getting like algebra, like into more advanced algebra, then I was like, sorry, I can't help you anymore. But two, it was also for me, it's like world history and politics. And like, you know, Ethan just loves it. And so he just would recite all these facts and things from you know, like areas of the world I don't even pay attention to I don't even know the name of their country, you know Like he's like listed them off

He knows all their flags like and I was just like wow I'm out of this conversation That has to be this it has to be the moment in every kid's life because there's always a moment where kids all sudden believe That they know more than their parents that has to be it right the day you come home from school Should have seen how happy he got. Oh, I bet, right? Like right now he's going to say, I know more than my dad. You know what I'm saying?

Walk around, peacocking. I knew about this. Look, no matter what, when they're teenagers, they're going to think- Well, no matter what, every kid kind of starts to think that way, but what I think is the tipping point is probably that moment. My favorite- The moment when they're like, oh yeah. Have you had this conversation with your kids yet, Justin, where they think they know what it costs to like,

oh, I only need to make this much if I move out because it only costs them. Have you had that conversation where you're like, no bro, there's so many other things you have to do. I remember it, I remember being that kid. I definitely remember being that because I was ready to go by like 15. I'm like, I could do this.

All I need is this, this, and this. And like, I almost make that already. And food's probably only gonna cost this. All about laundry. Yeah. I guess you never do it. Do I gotta pay your electric bill? Yeah.

I gotta pay for that? Yeah, bro. What happens when you get a flat tire during all that? That's it. Didn't factor that in. Insurance. Yeah, let's talk about insurance. Yeah, they would do the budget,

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Hey guys, very good thanks. Look at this, it's like pop-class royalty I'm sitting with here. How can we help you man? Should I just jump straight in with a question? Yeah, yeah. My question is one that's kind of born out of, I guess, frustration, right? I spent many years as a long distance triathlete, and then I made the switch over to strength

training, primarily through CrossFit, I know. But after a couple of years, I kind of saw the light and realized it was kind of fun, but stupid. And ever since then, about seven years ago, I've been bodybuilding. I've competed two or three times. I've gone through growth phases. I've gone through cuts. So I know kind of what it takes to really change your physique,

like in both directions. But now I'm like, I'm 43. And I have to say over the last kind of two to three years, I don't really think my physique has changed very much or improved. Now I can't say to you guys that my diet and training have been 100% on point every day of the year for that entire time, but it's never really much lower than 90% on average across the span of a year.

I have all the typical of typical life stresses, busy job, kids, moving house, things like that. But my training has always been consistent. I've been coached throughout that entire time. And I follow a typical bodybuilding style splits, which changed a bit over the years. As I've got older, I've reduced the volume. So now I train around, say, four times a week. And cardio is probably three to five sessions a week, depending on what I'm doing at a particular time. So I guess getting to the point, my dilemma or my question

is I never really feel lean enough unless I'm competing. And I'm not really the biggest guy in the room. So if I'm not cutting and I'm kind of growing, I don't ever feel particularly big. So my physique hasn't really, it doesn't really reflect, I feel kind of like the work I put in. So I don't have a specific goal, so I'm sorry if this is kind of like a bit of an open-ended question in that sense, right? But generally speaking, I just don't feel as good as the effort I put in. And so my question is really like, you know, am I missing something?

Is there a different way I can approach this given my age, circumstances, training age, and so on? So I'm kind of like a little bit lost, I guess. I was kind of looking for you guys advice. It's how you view yourself. I can see you right now. I can see your bicep vein. I can see your posture and your shoulders. You look incredible. So especially for someone who's 43. So you look really good. A lot of that has to do and you know, this is the downfall of getting into competing because competing takes you to this unrealistic level that you would never maintain throughout the year. And so you see this new level of you're like, oh shit, I can look like that.

And then you have this distorted view of what being, and let me tell you, like it's taken me years to even realize that about myself because you've seen such a high level of fitness before. So when you are not at that peak shape, you feel like you're out of shape. But I'll tell you right now that 90% of the population, if not 100% of the population that didn't know you and just saw you would instantly know, oh, that guy works out.

He's in great shape. So a lot of this is psychological in your own view of yourself. And I'm sure competing didn't do the best for you when it comes to that because you see yourself different now because of that, which it's got its pluses, right? You know how to take your body to that level, so you have the knowledge, but then the problem with that is you've got this distorted view of what fitness looks like now because of how far you've gone.

Yeah, agree, 100%. It's a tough place to be, I think. Really, if you want to get through this, you probably are gonna have to change the focus of your training to a more performance-based one. You know it could be a sport or it could be powerlifting or it could be a completely different style of training but yeah I think your standards it's a moving goalpost and it's it and you'll never get to it. You're never gonna get to where

you're gonna feel satisfied. And look, you're doing great. I mean, at your age, you're doing exceptionally well, and I think you're comparing yourself. To bodybuilder. Yeah, and it's just, it's not. What do you guys think of him doing old-timey? I think old-timey would be such a cool shot.

Old-timey or strong would be great. Yeah, just something that's out of the norm for you running a program like that and getting really good at some of these unconventional lifts that you probably either never do or rarely do and give yourself, and then you're gonna get benefits from it too. You'll see as a byproduct,

you'll get probably more ripped and in better shape, but your focus really is on this new movement and getting imperfecting it and getting strong in it would probably be a good exercise for you to do at this point in your training career. In other words, you would stop looking in the mirror for, for progress and really look at function. Uh, yeah.

I mean, I, to be fair, like I did, I used to like that about CrossFit because CrossFitters didn't really tend to care what they looked like, right? It was all about performance, performance, performance. But then after a while you kind of realized CrossFit as its own set of flaws when it comes to that performance drive. What you're finding through your experience, because what's interesting about this, you were a triathlete, then you did crossfit,

and then you did bodybuilding, and what you're finding is that each one of those is not the answer that you might be looking for, so it's really inside of yourself, so one of them is all performance, and you rode that until you're like, this is not the way to go, I'm probably hurting myself. Then you go to bodybuilding, you're like, oh, I feel much better, it's about how I look. Now I'm going too far in that direction.

There's elements in each one of those. I guess that's the problem I have. It's great because they incorporate a lot of great functional type exercises, movements. You get benefit from that. Then you move over to bodybuilding. There's lots of great ways to get hypertrophy. This is kind of why we pulled away from a lot of these straight up modalities where it's like, we're going to the extreme on this side of the spectrum. We're trying to take those elements and we're trying to apply them to where your body's actually going to see benefit. And so I think old time strength is a great suggestion just because now we're working on exercises that will benefit you. This isn't a competitive thing to the point

where you're going to end up in an extreme place. This is just something new that you're building a skill towards. And so each one of those, you've taken skills from each one of those directions you've gone. And this is all benefited you so, you know going forward You don't need that extra element of competition that you know, it could take you a little further than you need to go Yeah, Paul. I look I identify a lot with what you're saying. So yeah, you know Strength training fitness diet are good. They're good things, but they're not the best. They're not the top thing So when they become the top thing then they become your ruler and you start it's actually causing more grief than it is benefit it's hard to see because you're in it so yeah yeah

so you got to back out it's gonna suck you got to back out and you feel a little lost I'm going through this process myself but yeah because otherwise you be chasing this forever and you're gonna be sacrificing quite a bit to go after this thing that you'll never accomplish. It'll never get there. It's very fleeting. I mean, I would love to see a guy like you do old-timing just because I know you've got the competitive nature and discipline.

You've already proven that and everything else you've done. Applying it in a direction that is different, I think, would be fun. I think you would enjoy the process I think you would like what you saw like what you feel from it And then a guy like you who's kind of done a lot of the the wide spectrum of fitness You know you get to a point where you like to Justin's point you start to kind of Pull out the attributes that you like of each like I'll run a little bit of a bodybuilding cycle for a while I don't need to get on stage and compete,

but I did love when I was training this way to focus on a muscle group or whatever. I'm gonna do that for a while. Hey, you know, it's been a while since I've done these bent presses that I got from old timey. I really liked that and I felt good when I was strong. And you know, you start to mold your own programming based off of all the attributes that you like

from each one of those. And I mean, this is the type of stuff that I love to talk about this because I think people like yourself and us who've been training for decades, you eventually get to this point where you've kind of climbed the top of the mountain. You keep it interesting. Yeah. And you got to find a way to keep it interesting and enjoying and continuing to have something to focus on. And I think unless you've done something like old timey before, I think this would be a great. It's very different from bodybuilding.

Very, very different. Look, I mean, I've been listening to you guys for years, right, like a lot, pretty much since the beginning. And you always put out solid advice. So this is the first time it's directly at me. So I'm more than happy to give it a go. All right, Paul, why don't we do this, if this helps you out, we'll send it to you,

and then why don't we have you back on in a few months, and we can talk about your experience. How's that sound? Sounds cool. All right, dude, we'll do that. We'll make sure you get back on in a few months, we'll send over old time strength. Nice one, thanks guys.

You got it, Paul. You got it, brother. Very interesting, by the way, this is a, for the most consistent fitness fanatics who do it for a long time, you will hit this roadblock. You will get to this point where you at, and it doesn't have to be physique, it could be performance. You'll hear this from performance athletes.

Oh yeah. Or endurance athletes. Yeah, I'm in my mid-40s now and I can't keep pushing my body and I'm losing my motivation or here's an even more bigger challenge. I accomplished this incredible feat. I was able to win this marathon or win this bodybuilding trophy and now I'm lost. So you are going to hit this roadblock and the next stage looks like enjoying it for the sake of doing it, which is a great place to be in. It's very, though.

Our next caller is Ivan from North Carolina. What's up, Ivan? What's going on, Ivan? How can we help you? Hey, how's it going, guys? How you guys doing? We're good. What you got for us?

Give me a second. I'm sorry. Yes, sir, my name is Ivan. Just a little introduction before I get started with my question. I am in the military. I've been I've served for seven years now and since I've been in I've been injured twice my lower back which is my question that's that I'm going to ask. I just want to know like how can I build back

my lower back so I've heard it from squatting and deadlifting. And I know like the first few times that I heard it, it was from bad form, improper technique. And actually last week I heard it again and I got so mad at myself because I knew that I was like kind of like lacking the technique a little bit, but I was just pushing through my workout and it was a light, I would say a relatively light set, medium, medium weight.

I was squatting 245 and coming up, I heard two audible cracks on my lower left back and I got really dizzy and I sat down for a little bit and I was just like really disappointed because I was like, man. I just heard my back again I'm gonna have trouble going to work and getting out of bed But luckily this past week. I've been doing pretty well. I've only um felt like a little bit of pain on Only when I'm sitting down and stuff like that

But yeah, I just want to know some like information or some advice on how I can build my lower back Before I get back into squatting and deadlifting. Yeah, so the low back, if you think of the spine, right, but by the way, a lot of low back pain comes from the spine, but often it also comes from the muscle attachments on the spine. So people think of the spine, the discs, that happens, but it's also could be psoas attachment, QL attachment, can be lots of different things. When you look at the spine, it's made up of all these different joints and they can, I mean,

they can rotate, they can flex and extend, they can move laterally. So it's not just strengthening it in one plane of movement like a squat or deadlift. Now squat or deadlifts are great for strength in the back, but if you have no lateral stability, rotational strength stability, core stability, that's going to be exposed. You can have hip mobility strength issues, you know, stability issues. Those will all cause low back pain. Okay, so it's a lot more complex and comprehensive than, you know, squat and deadlift. Those are great places to start but they're not the the only places. Well not only that but they can also end up biting you in the ass when you get really strong doing that and you don't address the other things. So if you're not doing things for rotational or

anti-rotation to support that low back and you get really strong in squatting and deadlifting, it's almost guaranteed you're probably going to eventually especially if you also admit that you know that the form isn't perfect and you could get better. I mean you're just you're probably gonna eventually especially if you also admit that you know that the form isn't perfect And you could get right. I mean you're just you're asking for it by not doing that and so You know if we're talking about programs, I'd say like a map performance symmetry What else bro for old time? Yeah old timey those are things like that Like what when was the last time you did a windmill you ever trained windmills before or bent presses? No, I haven't actually no I don't even know what those are things like that. Like when was the last time you did a windmill? Have you ever trained windmills before or bent presses?

No, I haven't actually. No, I don't even know what those are. Okay, yeah. Yeah, so I like, so deadlift squats fine. You wanna strengthen your core. So you wanna strengthen the abs, the obliques. You wanna strengthen your ability to rotate. You wanna be able to stabilize side to side.

So windmill's really good for that. So is a bent press. So you can, you know, look all those exercises up and put them in your routine. And then unilateral training will help with any left to right imbalances because those can also, well that's where we should go first. I think. Yeah. Really like pursue some unilateral training and isometrics and you know, add your mobility drills in there for your hips and for your back and bridging

and start slowly just bringing that strength and support and stability back around your lower back through the hips, that's gonna be your target right now. If I could prescribe to you the program, it would go symmetry, old timey, and then like a mass power lift so you could see what you've done. Like that order right there, symmetry, old-timey, and then go apply it in something like maps power lift. You'll really see what you've done by

training like the guys are talking about, unilateral stuff, anti-rotational. You know what's also too by the way, like maps 15 is exceptionally balanced. I remember when we wrote it and we looked at it again. It has a lot of those different components. What does the rest of your schedule look like? Because are you like not getting good sleep? Is your diet okay? Do you feel over trained? What does your schedule look like? No, so I feel like I get pretty good sleep like in between six, eight hours. I would say normally seven hours. Um, diet is pretty good. I get, um,

enough protein. I think, I mean, obviously not enough for, uh, uh, it's not a gram per pound of weight, but I get enough protein, I think. Um, and I don't really eat a lot of junk food, but I know I could do a little bit better on that. But, um, it says your personal trainer. It says your personal trainer. Uh, yes, sir. I'm sir I'm brand new to it okay is that is that all you do for work what's your work schedule look like so I do construction in the military and um I am a reservist so I work on the weekends only but during the week I do construction but I only have one client right now for

personal training and we go into mornings before work and That's pretty much it and you're doing You're very physical in your construction, right? You're not supervising. You're actually moving Yeah, yes, sir. We're like lay pipe or I operate heavy machinery as well. Yeah, so maps a max 15 Performance might be better. Yeah performance. Yeah, I think that'd be a call Yeah, because that's a lot of I mean your construction plus working on the week at reservists on the weekend plus personal training. Less volume more frequency and you'll be able to really practice a lot of these movements that'll help. Yeah and Matt 15 performance is very balanced with that kind of stuff. I like that. Okay. We're gonna send that to you.

Yeah we'll send that to you bro. Yeah that's a good call. Okay yes sir I appreciate it. You got it man thanks for calling in. Yes sir thank you that to you, bro. Yeah, that's a good call. Okay, yes sir, I appreciate it. You got it, man. Thanks for calling in. Yes sir, thank you. Nice to meet you guys. Yeah, you too. Ex-military as always, yes sir. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it.

You know, I had to ask because, for people listening right now, you're like, well, why would you ask that question? You should always ask that question. Yeah. Because Symmetry's a phenomenal program. It's one of our favorite programs, but if it's too much for someone with a schedule like that,

it's not gonna work. And we're on video, and I've trained enough people, I'm sure you guys can tell a little bit. Looks like you might be a little fried. So that's why I said let's do something a little bit more appropriate. And Mass 15 and 15 Performance are so well balanced. I remember we created 15, man.

We made it so balanced with the exercises that it really does touch a lot of things that we talked about. Yeah, but Adam's earlier point about getting strong. You can get really strong doing these compound lifts and it's just like, it's so elusive because you feel strong, feel great, but you're not expressing any rotation. You're not expressing lateral movement. Inevitably, you can't support the strength. Yeah, one side's gonna sort of shift and boom, it's gonna bite you.

This is why everybody who's listening every year should run a block of performance or symmetry. One of those two programs to address all those areas that just your typical programming doesn't address very well, so that you're constantly just revisiting that and bulletproofing all your support systems. And that's just it.

It's like, this is so common when you get somebody who's getting strong in that sagittal plane, but then they're not addressing anything laterally, stability-wise, rotational-wise, and it's just like, it's just a matter of time when they're pushing the weight a little bit. And then when you admit too, you don't think you have the best of form.

It's like, that's well, for sure that's coming dude. If you know your form isn't perfect. And then in addition to that and not addressing that, it's just bound to happen. Our next caller is Autumn from Virginia. Hi, Autumn. How are you? Hi, oh my God, I can't believe I'm here.

This is crazy. Everyone says that. Okay. So I wrote in back in August. It was a bit long. So I recently wrote in about a month ago to try to make my question shorter. But yeah, I'm kind of essentially 25 going on 80 and I cannot figure out why. And you guys are all in so much better shape than me and I'm only 25 so I feel very stuck and frustrated and just really wanted your insight on this this issue I've been having. So I've been having a few issues actually since we only have a few minutes. I'm just going to dive into one of those issues. So this one particularly

involving chronic hip pain for over a year. And it's also evolved over time since it started. So I believe I injured myself doing squats on the Smith machine with too much weight last year. And I think my hips lacked stability before that that but I wasn't educated on it. So I've done sports in school. I never had hip problems before. I saw a PT for a few months after the injury and my symptoms slightly improved. He said I had a hip impingement and also hip flexor tendonitis. But after I got a bit better, I tried MAPS anabolic about half a year after my injury,

but I had some issues with the hips again, had some new issues crop up as well. So I thought I made progress, but since they started hurting again, I took a break after the program. I did do MAPS performance and got rid of all of the lower body exercises on there as well and replaced that with PT exercises instead but was still having pain. I also have Prime Pro. I've tried doing that as well. The mobility days were working pretty

well for me but at this point since the email, I've actually stopped going to the gym for about six weeks. So I kind of am probably one of those people that might have experience with overtraining just because exercising fills me mentally and spiritually. So I thought I just had to take a break though because the pain wasn't going away. My hips are not getting better despite seeing some upper body strength gains. So since

nothing is helping and I'm discouraged wondering if there's any direction you can recommend for me and if you had any other questions. Yeah, did the time off alleviate the hip pain? Did the time off take care of some of that or all of that? I would say it kind of varies in degrees, like yes and no. I think I'm always experiencing sensitivity.

There's other areas of my body where this has been happening too, but the hips are the worst. So I just think taking time off the gym helped with the pain, but it kind of plateaued after that and has not fully gone away. It's kind of just stayed at that same sensitivity level and the pain will get triggered by sitting for too long

or doing other activities for too long. So tell me about the other areas that you, because it could be connected. What other areas are you noticing issues? Some of them are new and some of them have always existed, like plantar fasciitis in both feet, pain in both hips, sensitivity and previous pain in both wrists, both elbows. It feels like tendonitis or like desk jockey sort of thing.

Also some weird symptoms with migraines and those have really weird symptoms too. There's just a lot of different things going on that I don't have enough time to address with you guys. Okay. Okay. Well, a couple of things I'll recommend. Oh yeah, one more question. What were the exercises that the PT recommended?

He started me off with some bandit exercises to re-stabilize and strengthen hip flexors, glute medius and glute max, since I was experiencing pain in all those areas. I experienced SI, I don't know if it's the joint or if it's the soft tissue near the joint, but I experienced pain around the entire hip now and that really hasn't fully gone away.

So it was just kind of what you typically expect for tendonitis and joint pain. So a couple of things, well, I think places to start, okay? First thing I would do, and I'm assuming you do a lot of core work in your core strengthening work, glute work, whenever you work out your lower body and your body in general? Yeah, I really like the hanging leg raises. I've been working on getting my toes to the bar. Okay. So I think individual, and this is typically not the case, but I like individual leg raises

on the floor to strengthen your hip flexors, believe it or not. So you've probably been told your hip flexors are tight. And sometimes with these kind of persistent issues is actually you might need to strengthen your hip flexors. So what that looks like, and it's an easy way to test it, is you lay on the floor, so you're like okay, my hip kind of bothers me a little bit. Lay on the floor, both legs straight,

and do one legged, while driving one heel into the floor. Do one-legged leg raises. Do you know enough to feel like it's getting hard and then stand up and move again. See if you feel better. If you do, we're moving in the in the right direction. So you might need to strengthen your hip flexors believe or not. There's also a really great kin stretch if you can have access to something you can hold even the squat rack rack, and you're going to raise your leg up and you're also going to bring it out to the side and then back, keeping and maintaining a crazy amount of tension with that.

So that's, you know, connectivity and recruitment is going to be huge. Band walks, two blocking, hip thrusts, I like those. And then the other thing I think you might want to do is do a heavy metals test. That's where I was wondering where you're gonna go there. Blood work, it seems like some of the stuff she's got going could be autoimmune. It could, right? So I would look at and test yourself

for something like heavy metals and toxicity mold, see if there's any of that going on because of the kind of repeated kind of pain issues and all these different joints. And so that's the first place I would look is you know you could get yourself you can work with a functional medicine practitioner Dr. Cabral is who we recommend and they have a heavy metals and minerals test and they can also do things like test you for mold to sit in parasites even all of those can cause

these kind of mysterious inflammation You know you mentioned migraines too. Like I mean it could be They have caused like a partial temporary hearing loss for me vision loss. So they're weird. It's a severe Yeah, yeah, I mean Mm-hmm. I mean it would be you know, it would be cool if it was something like that because then he could address it directly Yeah, and then suddenly feel. Get treatment and then it absolves a lot of these symptoms, that'd be great.

Much better, yeah. So I would go there first and you could try the exercise that we said in the meantime. But you're gonna also kind of chronic pain that seems unconnected, it is. It is connected and I think the root might be some toxicity that's kind of going on in your body.

It could also be as simple as an elimination diet, parasite treatment, and then you feel much better. But a functional medicine practitioner will be able to get to the root of that. I did see a functional medicine practitioner, and they created a six month program for me addressing a lot of the tests you talked about. I just told them I had to

pause for the time being, since it was a really huge financial investment, it was really expensive. So maybe it's just that practice in particular, but I couldn't afford the test, but it's something I'm interested in. And it's weird because I can think of something that caused all of these things separately. Like maybe it's, it's probably not normal. Like if I walk more than a mile a day, like the bottoms of my feet will start to hurt. Like both of them will start to hurt. I just don't think that's a really far enough distance to constitute pain and sensitivity like that. But, um, yeah, the hips, I can think of a time I went too far with those, with my wrists, I can think of not using proper hips. I can think of a time I went too far with those with my wrists. I can think of

not using proper form. I can think of when that started hurting the elbows. Not really sure. That one's newer. That one is really strange. What it can look like is this. It's not like if it gets real bad, it's just pain everywhere. It doesn't sound like a mobility. Yeah, but what could have really good mobility. I could do that's why we don't think it's not a great form. Now like it's corrected. When I try to do some correctional exercises, even in prime pro sometimes they hurt to do so I try it feels like I can't do much without still kind of feeling that lingering sensitivity. Right. Yeah. So like that's what I'm trying to say. So it's not okay. Let's say it was a heavy metal toxicity or mold. It's something else. Yeah, so that's what I'm trying to say. So it's not, okay, let's say it was a heavy metal toxicity or mold.

It doesn't have to present itself, although it can, as constant issues. It can literally present itself as constant sensitivity where, oh my God, I hurt my, like I barely did anything and what's going on? I know. And then it's lingering pain. Like I hurt, you know, that injury happened, you know, six months ago and it's still there. Like, you know, what's going on. I know. And then it's lingering pain. Like I heard, you know, that injury happened, you know, six months ago and it's still there. Like you know, what's going on? And then the migraines, the migraines are really a red flag in connection to all this.

So I feel like if you, so you can start with the heavy metal test. That's not or even just an elimination diet for 30 days. And if you notice improvement for that, there's a good chance you're heading in the right direction. I mean, I think- Was there a time when this all started at the same time? You're like a tick-bite. They all kind of started at different times. Okay.

Yeah, I- Different points. Are you in our group, the MP Holistic Health Group on Facebook? I am not. Okay, go on there, it's free. Ask some questions and if you end up talking to one of the practitioners, let them know.

Say, look, this is the most I can invest. I can't, I don't have tons of money. And then they'll give you the most likely, they're like, okay, just start here. This is the most likely area and it's gonna be minimal cost. Let's at least start here and see what this looks like. Okay, I really, I love being in the gym a lot. It's been hard to be away.

I've taken several breaks. I've taken lots of time off. I took four months off last year because of the pain. And I've only been off for six weeks now, but I was thinking of trying another program like Maps Bands for low impact, but maybe that would even be too much, I'm not sure. Well, we'll send that to you if you want. I'll send that to you. thinking of trying another program like Maps Bands for low impact, but it, maybe that would even be too much.

I'm not sure. I will send that to you if you want. I'll send that to you. You could try it, but I do think that there's a root issue and I don't think it's necessarily movement. No, no. Okay. I was worried that maybe I injured my hips, you know, just talking about

those specifically with the Smith machine. I know y'all how y'all feel about the Smith machines. They're good for coat racks. They're good for sissy squats. You know, I've listened to all those episodes. So it was all my gym had. So I know now it's I'm better off, you know, doing free weight. But at the time, I didn't know that wasn't as educated on form and mechanics. So I think I just went too heavy on the weight. I didn't know at the time because the pain was a really delayed onset. I didn't feel pain for a couple hours after that. So yeah, I would certainly love to give that a try. The functional medicine practitioner route. And I was

thinking you guys might recommend that as well. So yeah, when you go in that group, ask the questions in there. They'll answer the questions for you for free. I'd love to have Doug put you also in our private forum so you can continue to communicate with us. I'd love to get to the bottom of this with you. I think we're all on the same page and there's something else going on here. It's less likely from a movement thing of you injuring

yourself, even though maybe the Smith machine didn't help your case. I don't think that's the I don't think that's the reason why I think there's something else. When did your migraine start? Um, maybe about a year and a half ago, did you move into a different house or work in a different office at that time? We it was around the time it was a couple months after we moved from Virginia to Colorado.

Ouch. Okay. Yeah. Test yourself for mold. I also have a, the past couple months ago, I got a new job and it's a really stressful job. I'm stressed all the time. This is point, this is really pointing to some kind stressful job. So. Yeah, yeah, so. So. I'm stressed all the time. Yeah, but this is really pointing to some kind of toxicity. Yeah. Especially that you moved right around the same time. And it could be mold.

It could be mold in your home. Colorado's not a dry, I mean, mold is common in a lot of different states, especially ones that have snow and rain and stuff like that. I mean, right now I'm making educated guesses. You don't know unless you test. So and I've worked with people with mold. We dealt, I dealt with mold in my family and the symptoms were like... Older home, newer home, when you in? It's a bit more of an outdated apartment. Okay. Any areas of water damage in there? Maybe under the sink, that's about it.

Oh yeah. Yeah, go on that. It looks a bit mildewy under there. There, you might have a mold issue, hon. Yeah, that's a sign. I don't know, I hope that it's as easy as that, because it's been a really, it's been a frustrating year. It's been a frustrating core life crisis over here.

Look up mold, Tussie, look up mold. I really wanna just enjoy exercising again and not feel pain in doing simple things like flying or driving in a car or something like that. Go in that group and say, I'm having these weird symptoms. I was on the podcast. Sal said it might be mold. Could mold cause some of these things? By the way, if you go online and you read up about mold toxicity, they're gonna talk

about the most extreme cases. You could have mold that other people live with you that don't necessarily react to, but you react to it. And it causes this kind of systemic immune reaction which can feel like pain, it could feel like gut issues, it could feel like migraines, a very, very common one, sleep disturbances, energy changes. It could look like skin issues.

Could look like all those different things, which is why sometimes it's so hard to pinpoint. Typically when people figure out it's mold, it's because they've exhausted every other avenue and they're left with just that and then they look at it like, oh crap, here I am. Yeah, I would say I have pursued lots of avenues, but this is one that I haven't yet,

so I'm very open to it. All right, good. I'd like to hear back from you too. So if you can keep us posted, we'll solve this. We'll get to the bottom of it. And I wasn't expecting all the answers or anything, but just the insight is really appreciated. I really appreciate this opportunity a lot.

You got it. Thanks, Autumn. Thank you. You got it. Thanks, Autumn. Thank you. You got it. Bye-bye. Yeah, that's something else. Screamed autoimmune to me. That's what I just... It's definitely not exercise injury related. No. I know what's downstream effects. Can I just tell you what's frustrating about something like this? You got a young girl,

she's having all this weird stuff. You go to the PT, correctional exercise, not helping. Then you go to your doctor, I think you're okay. Go back to the doctor, okay, you might need this. Try that, try this, try that. Let's put you on an SSRI. Let's put you on anti-anxiety medication because all those things. And you never figure out what the hell is going on.

Meanwhile, your symptoms are lingering and you feel like you're losing your mind. It can cause weight gain, it can cause all kinds of different issues. So yeah, and the only way to know is to test. Our next caller is Mandy from Ohio. Hey Mandy. How you doing Mandy?

Hey, or should I say, oh shit guys, this is my favorite time of the week. Oh shit. I do that pretty well actually. I'm so glad you listened to that part of it. It's awesome. Oh my, for the sake of me not embarrassing myself any further, I'm going to read my email. Okay.

Let's hear it. Okay. So, I am the poster child of what happens when you remain ignorant about overtraining and undereating. So last summer, I was doing back-to-back workouts, hour-long crossfit training followed immediately by group training class that alternated between lifting and cardio. On top of that, I have a six-year-old that was in cross country, so I volunteered to run with her.

So, three days a week, I ran with a whole bunch of little kids. Oh my God. Yeah, it's too much. Now knowing what I know, it was too much. I had been doing that for about 10 months leading up to September and despite all that, I wonder why, I struggled to lose any weight. I was stuck at about 153 pounds. I was also on birth control that completely stopped my period. I also have hypothyroidism and chronic kidney disease, stage 3a. So they don't, I just have to get monitored like every three weeks or

three months. In mid September, I woke up one day with unexplainable and immense pain localized to one side of my body. It felt like I had been crippled overnight and thus began the plethora of blood tests. I got very few answers. All I knew was that my cortisol was jacked, my high sensitivity protein levels were jacked, my liver enzymes, everything was just not in a good place. So my doctor actually told me, stop whatever you're doing, just stop. And I was actually, I found you guys about a week after my body just decided just to quit working on me.

So taking that advice, I took time to recover. However, even though I wasn't working out, I wasn't walking, I was literally just recovering, stretching, nothing. That pain spread throughout my body. So three weeks of not working out and just as much pain, I could barely walk. I was sent to a rheumatologist but I couldn't get in until November. So sick of not knowing what was going on, I remembered your sponsor, MP Hormones and Transcend. I

reached out and within two weeks I had my blood work done a game plan on what would help me and I had answers that my primary physician and anybody could even give me So I am just over. I'm just overwhelmed by my experience with them. Like I can't recommend them enough So I also came off of my birth control because they figured that maybe my hormones were also in play here. So I got that baseline. My protocol included BPC 157, IGF LR3, TB 500, and then DHEA, which I started in mid-October. In December, I finally got my blood work from my rheumatologist and I have rheumatoid arthritis. So at the time, I'd likely been dealing with

this since August, I just didn't have a response that the test would pick up at that point. So I am in very little pain now. So I am on the peptide train, like I don't understand how this isn't more widely known and used because literally whenever I wrote into the show, I was devastated. I thought that any kind of strength was being stripped away from me. I had goals that I had set for myself that I thought were no longer possible. And now like I know they are and I know they'll happen.

I began training specifically with your programs and I love it. I had gone through muscle mommy whenever I initially wrote this email and I've since joined the Maps Transform in three weeks. I have lost eight pounds. I've lost at least one to 2% of body fat. So I no longer have to work out six to seven days a week and I can have the energy and strength

To finally live the life that I want and not have to live in the gym By the end of the year, I hope to join the 750 club So right now my squat PR is 275 or 270 pounds My bench press at its best is 155 pounds and my deadlift is 275 pounds. Wow. I'm confident that I'm gonna get there. I'm being patient and listening to my body.

I am 37 going on 38 this year. I'm five foot five and 140 pounds. I have since also started eating and actually being able to enjoy what I'm eating and I am right around 2100 calories. At the time I wrote this, I was trying to figure out my ideal weight, but at this point I have decided that in parted my language I am probably military. So sometimes the f-bomb slips out But I don't I don't give a shit what the scale says anymore Happy where I'm at. Yeah, good job. I

Have noticed though that if I get below under 45 or 140 pounds my boobs disappear and I don't know why that is but it's one to two pounds difference and They deflate and they're no longer there, so I don't know what the science is of that But I was hoping maybe you could stretch the light on that and then also If I want to gain a few pounds, how can I make sure it's only or mostly muscle being added? And do you have any tips to protect the progress that I've made so far? Yeah, I thank you so much for sharing that.

You almost got me to tears hearing all that. Boobs are body fat, we'll start there. So once you get down to a particular body fat percentage, different for each woman, you'll start to lose them. So that's all, That's the reason why. So yeah, that's the science. Here's what, the best advice I could give you to protect what you've already got,

what you've gotten now is to take it easy. Is to not be so dogmatic. It's great to have goals. There's nothing wrong with goals. But don't live and die by them. Because you could very easily start to creep ever so slowly back into that space you were before, where you're trying to chase a PR, a goal, a look, whatever.

You really have to focus on your health and wellbeing, both spiritually, mentally, and physically. All those things are what you're gonna have to focus on to keep where you're going now. Because again, very easily it can move in the other direction, okay? And that's the best advice I can give you. You're really strong.

For your body, by the way, you're a great body weight for your height. You're at a fit body weight for your height. You're super strong. I think women watching right now, your age or not, are probably like, oh my God, I wanna be there. So just be kind to yourself. You're doing great, don't do anymore.

You're in a great place, and you're also, you in the transformation group is perfect. Having some guidance through that process to make sure you don't dip into old bad behaviors is perfect. I think with Kyle and them in there leading that group, just stay the course. I think I talked to you yesterday, Mandy.

You were on the call yesterday, weren't you? Oh, no, not for that. But I was in the group. I'm just doing the MAPS program. So I'm not into coaching this time around. I will be the next time you guys offer it. It just happened to be a tax season and I'm an accountant, so I'm literally dying outside of all this. I got something for you that I think will help, that will

help you in this process. I think working with a really good, okay, underline coach will help you and help guide you, okay, because of your tendencies, because of, you know, it's gonna be very hard to not slowly creep. And here's what it looks like, I'm just gonna tell you ahead of time, I'll give you some forecasting. I feel great, I'm on fire, I'm gonna do a little more. Oh my God, I feel better, it's all good.

I'm gonna do a little more. I can tolerate this, I can do a little more, then your body fires back at you and something big happens. Okay, so I think a coach would be really beneficial. And what the coach will do with you, you give them your goals, you tell them, they're gonna really monitor you. Now, we have coaches that work for us

that we totally vouch for, that we love their integrity, they're really, really good. I can have someone call you now, or we can wait and have them call you later. But other than that, it's just gonna be take it easy. You are doing so well that if you just stay in this mental space. Stay the course. And listen to your body that if you just stay in this mental space, stay the course

and listen to your body, like you have a lifetime of excellence. Look how far you've come in such a short period of time. Wait till you've got a year or two years under your belt of being consistent like this. It will keep happening. You're going to continue to get rewarded for it. Your body will continue to thank you for taking care of it the way you are now. Yeah, and it's super exciting because I was never the athletic one growing up. That's always been my sister. So I was like the band geek, the drama

nerd. So this is all new to me. Like at some point, like about like 10 years ago, I was 208 pounds. So this has been long coming. And now I'm the athletic one. Like I'm reaping the benefits and it's not just my sister. I'm now the just as good looking one as she is. Good for you. That's awesome. No you're doing really good. You're doing really good. Yeah, yeah. Look I'll have a coach reach out to you. They could talk to you a little bit and maybe give you some advice and if you want to work with them I think they could talk to you a little bit and maybe give you some advice and if you want to work with them, I think they could help guide you through this process. But you're doing so good. You're doing so good.

I'm so glad you called in. I hope you help. I know you helped somebody listening to this who's in that tough spot that you were in. I was actually in the private forum whenever you guys went on to talk about Maps Transform. I'm the one that said that I wanted to be the female version of Adam. I'm actually gonna have to rescind that because now knowing what Justin's doing I might want to... You have no idea, the episodes haven't aired yet but there's this little

competition between Adam and Justin and Adam's been getting slammed lately. He lost another one, Adam, sorry. I love watching you guys. You guys are fantastic. Don't come to me for aesthetics. I wish I would have found you guys years ago. I would say my life would be wildly different, but I am so grateful that it is what it is right now. You got us now. You did a good job. Welcome to the family. Yeah, good job. Keep it up. now. You got us now. You did a good job. You're killing it. Welcome to the family.

Yeah, good job. Keep it up. Thank you guys. Thank you. Bye now, Mandy. No, all joking aside, Justin has a lot more fans than both of us, pretty crazy. Stop.

Hey, I gotta listen. Were you guys fighting back tears too, listening to her? Yeah, yeah. I'm like, oh my God. I thought at some point it was, yeah, it was all coming out. I was ready to go. Listen how life changing that can be. I mean my

Favorite part about stories like that is There's so many people that and she was obviously she was an extreme example of like doing two workouts a day plus running the marathon Stuff and under eating but a lot of people are on that end of the spectrum I know maybe not as crazy as that, but they do this and they go, man, I'm putting in all this work. Why am I not seeing results? And then here she is eating more, training less than she ever has, and then seeing the results.

And getting lean. Yeah, getting in better shape. Like just. What a great testimony. Yeah, so so. That's what we talk about. So so cool. And you know, I will also, I'm gonna add this.

The peptide therapy, we're probably five years away from that being really mainstream, especially when it comes to degenerative issues and stuff like that, like those peptides can really address issues that modern medicine has yet to really have solutions for, because they heal, they don for, because they heal. They don't treat, they heal.

So it's very, very different. So people listening, mphormones.com, those are the people we vouch for, go there, talk to them, they'll do the blood work, they'll take, and then they'll, okay, here, let's try this. And we have, that's, I've heard a lot of people like her, maybe not as extreme, but in cases where they have pain and issues that you can't solve,

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