Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2581: The 4 Stupid Reasons You’re NOT Getting Results & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

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That's what we're gonna talk about, the four most common stupid reasons why you're not getting results. Stupid reasons. Yeah, and I'll start with the first one, then we'll swing back and talk a little bit about kind of what we're talking about. But the first one is eating too little.

Eating too little. I mean, this one's controversial because, I mean, we just had a great conversation with Dr. Mike Isretel, and one of his claims is that the majority of people just underreport and it's not eating too little. Sure. I definitely think there's a large portion of that, for sure, but I also think there's a lot of clients

that I train that, you know, we're just starving their bodies of nutrients and overdoing it and so, and just simply scaling back on the volume intensity, increasing food a little bit, especially going after whole foods and protein, all of a sudden we saw change. Well, the reason why this one's one of the stupid reasons is because it's not intuitive.

Like you're trying to lose weight and so you're eating less and that is definitely part of the formula of losing weight is to eat less than you're eating before, but you could be eating so little that you're compromising your body's ability to function, you're compromising your ability to recover and adapt to exercise, and you're putting your body in a position to where it kind of wants to hold on to things. And so what it'll do is it'll pair muscle down. That's what happens here. It's surviving at that point, right? And then it too is affecting your performance in your workouts, which you're not maximizing your true potential as you're actually even going

through the exercises. So, you know, it's a lot of different factors that happen when you're really low in calories. Yeah, and there's a couple, there's a few components in here, one is you could be just generally eating too little, so your calories are so low that your body is paring muscle down, it's changing your hormone profile

to try to get you, essentially, for lack of a better term, slow your metabolism down, okay? And so things will halt, and you'll be stuck at this real low calorie place, and you're not progressing anymore, you have another 15 pounds to lose. It's really frustrating, and you can't figure it out, because you're eating so little,

I should be losing lots of weight. The other part of this is if you're eating too little of an essential macronutrient. So this could be I'm not eating enough fats because fats are essential. Proteins are essential. That's another one, I'm not eating enough proteins. But the not enough fats one, I mean,

being a trainer who started training clients in the late 90s and all the way up to the 30s. This was common because. Especially my female clients. Yes, in the 80s and 90s, what was hammered into us for fat loss was low fat. So I get female clients, I'm not exaggerating, okay. These were people that were like really counting everything

who would come to me and they just couldn't figure out why they felt like absolute garbage. They would have weird symptoms like hair thinning, skin issues, their energy was terrible, libido was gone, and I'd go through their diet and they'd be having like 15 grams of fat a day. 20 grams, I'm not making this up. Like they were literally boiling chicken breasts,

eating it with, you know. The leanest cuts of meat possible. Oh, they wouldn't literally boiling chicken breasts. Yeah eating it with you know Leanest cuts of meat possible. Oh, they wouldn't even touch no nothing with fat. No, it was like boiled chicken breast It was white fish vegetables white rice or plain potato and they would eat like this in salads and They couldn't figure out what the hell was going on And when I'd look at it like you're like, you're not even eating essential fats. Your body's not absorbing fat soluble vitamins and you need some fats to do well.

So I would literally, it was so funny, some of these clients, I'd have them add like a tablespoon of peanut butter or I'd have them add like an avocado. Yeah, change. Immediate change in energy and their body would start kicking in gear. Now too little protein is also terrible and can cause a lot of those issues as well.

But low calories in general, too low of calories in general, your body will figure out how to operate on those low calories because that's what it does. Crazy deficiencies. And it causes your, it just makes you lose muscle like crazy. And so then you end up in this position, which how many times has this happened you guys? You'd have somebody who would just not you know in the gym who would just under eat and they would lose weight and their body fat percentage would go up yeah and couldn't figure out what do you mean I lost worst

case scenario I lost 12 pounds how did my body fat percentage go up it's like you lost 10 pounds of muscle maybe a couple pounds I think this is why it falls into the category of four stupid things yeah it's like how frustrated are you when you're like okay I understand law of thermodynamics I'm gonna move I think this is why it falls into the category of four stupid things, right? Because it's like how frustrated are you when you're like, okay, I understand law of thermodynamics, I'm gonna move more, eat less, and that's the main rule I'm going to follow, and then I do, and then the result on the scale

says I did a good job, but then I go take my body fat, and what, you mean to tell me I got fatter? How is that possible? And it's like, yeah, no, it's very possible. Your story of your trainers is my favorite, where you had everybody compete. Yeah. These were trainers. Yeah. But a lot your trainers is my favorite, where you had everybody compete. Yeah. These were trainers.

Yeah. But a lot of them overdid it. That's part of that. Yeah, and a lot of them overdid it, and they came back lighter with a higher body fat percentage. Because here's what happens. If you're sitting at, let's say, 15% body fat, let's say you're a man, 200 pounds, 15% body fat.

So you got a nice athletic build, 15% is good. And then you lose 20 pounds, but it's muscle. It's all muscle. Your current body fat now is a higher percentage of your body weight. So in other words, you're actually fatter as a percentage. Even if it was half, you still would go up, I believe. If I'm amassing that correctly.

It could, yeah. It could if it was half muscle, half fat. Yeah, which is not horrible totally horrible but that's what example of how that's doable I don't know if it's exactly half but it'd be close you could easily lose you know definitely if you lost more muscle in fact oh yeah definitely then you go up in body fat percentage but I think there's a forget where the number is because I've done that done the math before it's like wow that's crazy that even if you did a good job of losing say 10 or 20 pounds is if just half of it was uh you could

you could stay in the same place. Yeah, stay the same or go up and let me tell you the worst muscle the work to lose 20 pounds regardless of what the 20 pounds is is a lot of work. I mean that's a lot of uh depriving yourself of calories and a lot of activity to result in, I mean, how frustrating is that to do all that? I mean, that was my trainers. I mean, they were just, this thing's broken. It doesn't work. And I'll be honest, when that happened,

I questioned it too. I was just like, can all my guys and girls be off? Are we all that off? Dude, I was just thinking about that the the amount of competition where we get like Ronnie and Nick in the sauna Yeah, dude burpees and like sweating and like everything was like so high intensity and like cardiovascular based and like we were just so Oblivious and I'm like, oh these guys are crazy and I was just you know, I was still in that mentality I have to like lose weight by adding more cardio

on top of the training I'm already doing. And then you find yourself in that place where you get tested and you're like, this can't be true, this can't be true. It's crazy. All right, the next one, this one's relatively common. Just exercising too much or too hard. Which goes right to the point

what Justin was just saying right now. Yes, this one is, so remember exercise. See, I'm right in line. Exercise is essentially a hormetic stress, okay, so it's a stress on the body that tells the body it needs to become stronger, more fit, build muscle to adapt to the stress that it provides. But if the stress overcomes or surpasses your body's ability to adapt and recover It's just stress just lots of stress and your body adapts if it doesn't adapt to the stress if you can't adapt to the stress All it's gonna happen is you break things down. You're gonna cause hormone issues That's a very common one by over exercising too much or too hard is a fantastic way to crash your testosterone if you're man It's an amazing way to destroy your hormone profile if you're a woman if

This is an extremely stupid reason or frustrating reason because you're working your butt off Yeah, and nothing's happening. This is common in the high intensity group exercise world This is what you see More often than not and the boot camp classes, the F45s, the Orange Theories, these middle-aged people coming in who are going crazy and initially they lose 10 pounds, so like super excited, but then they plateau and they're like, okay, I'm coming here four days a week

and I'm barely crawling out of here because I'm pushing it so hard and that's it, I'm not progressing anymore. But I have another 15 pounds to lose. Do I go one more day a week? That's a lot. Do I go six days a week? What's that gonna do?

It's very frustrating. The truth is, exercise needs to be appropriate. If it's appropriate, your body will respond. If it's too little, it won't respond very fast. If it's too much, you're gonna freeze. You're gonna freeze your progress and you're gonna plateau. And if you push it too, too hard for too much, you're gonna freeze. You're gonna freeze your progress and you're gonna plateau. And if you push it too, too hard for too long, you'll go backwards.

You know, that's the part that makes this so stupid or frustrating is that, you know, what is that? And there's such a wide variance, right? And it's so nuanced and context matters. Because I know what happens is a lot of people are just like, I'm not even pushing that hard, I'm only training this many days. But you're also working 10 hours a day at work. You've also got a newborn kid at home.

You also are just gotten a fight with your wife. You know, you have all these other things. And then on top of that, you chose the, the mode of exercise you chose is high intensity circuit training or CrossFit. And it's like in the, in that context, uh, even only doing it, say three or four days a week, and then the rest of the time you're not doing any other, it still can be too much stress. And that's enough for these people not to see the results.

And again, really difficult, because then they're comparing themselves to somebody else who's in the same class going, well, why is it working so well for them? Well, that context matters. We don't know what that person is, how they're dieting, what their stress levels are like, and all that stuff matters.

You gotta know where you're at and where to start. It's all signal and it's no recovery. Yeah. You know, it's this weird illusion that I could just, I think some people are still under the impression that the workout itself is where they're building the muscle. And so then to keep doing that and then keep increasing that intensity and keep you know throttling down on that is going to pay off. But really the building process it requires

you know that's the signal that then now we have to go back we have to recover we have to feed ourselves we have to have the materials all that has to happen to now actually like provide the muscle. these kind of clients were simultaneously some of the most challenging but also my favorites because If I could get it if I could do a good job Where I could convince them to trust me that was the hard part, right? So you take somebody who's doing five days a week of high intensity group exercise classes They've plateaued and it's typically I'm gonna paint, let me paint the picture for you, okay?

It says a 38-year-old mom of two, and she's getting back into fitness because her baby just turned three years old, and she initially lost 12 pounds, but she's been doing this four days a week now, and has seen no movement on the scale for a while. And you see her working her butt off and sweating, and then you start talking

with her, I have to convince her that doing less and training less hard and doing a little bit more traditional strength training, which seems like a cakewalk compared to what she was doing before, is gonna get her better results. Now if I can do a good job and convince her and then convince her to stick around, because it takes a second for this to work,

then it's a lifer. This was a lifelong client. But the hard part was convincing them because it was always like, wait, you want me to do less? You want me to do, you just took me through a workout and I felt like nothing compared to what I've been doing. And you're telling me this is gonna burn body fat?

I was like, trust me. And later in my career I got good at this because usually a friend recommended them. So they trusted me because they saw the evidence there. But once they followed through, it was like, and what would they always say? I feel like I'm barely doing anything, and my body's progressing.

I'm eating more, I'm working out less, I have more energy, it doesn't make sense. Yep, yep. It's bringing me anxiety. That's right. The next one is a nutrient deficiency. This one sucks because a lot of people don't even realize that the reasons why they don't feel great, the reasons why they're not recovering, the reasons why maybe they're showing signs of hormone imbalances

is because they're not getting a key nutrient that's so easy to fix. For example, magnesium deficiency, not getting enough magnesium, by some estimates probably affects between 20 to 30 percent of everybody. Some people say even more. There's some health experts that think... That was 60. Yeah. That will say it's higher.

I've read 60. It depends on what you believe is optimal, but it's a sizable percentage of people. Now what does magnesium deficiency look like? Well, it looks like anxiety. It looks like poor sleep. It looks like feeling uneasy, not recovering like I used to, just kind of like not feeling,

maybe some headaches here and there. Now those are easy to overlook, right? Because you're just like, I don't know, I'm kind of getting bad sleep and I feel a little anxious and I don't know. So you go to your doctor and your doctor's like, well, try this, that, you do that, it doesn't to your doctor and your doctor's like, well, try this, that, you do that, it doesn't work,

and then the doctor's like, here's an SSRI or here's an Enzyolytic or whatever. Not realizing this is an easy fix. Vitamin D deficiency is even more common. Vitamin D deficiency will kill a man's testosterone. It can cause infertility, it can cause aches and pains. This happened to my dad. My dad, who often is outside, now we have dark skin,

so he needs more sun than the average person, but he's often outside working, he's active, and he was having all these aches and pains. Now he thought it's because he's older, or thrice he's worked blue collar work his entire life, couldn't figure it out, and it was, I mean, this was going on, guys, for probably a year, and he was taking pain medication, just couldn't figure it out. This was going on guys for probably a year and he was taking pain medication, just couldn't figure it out.

Did a regular blood test, like your vitamin D is in the floor. They gave him vitamin D you could buy for so cheap anywhere. Started taking it, pain was gone. Pain was totally gone. How common do you think it is that people, maybe with some of these deficiencies and symptoms, will just chalk it up and attribute it to they're older now. And this is part of the aging process.

And they don't ever get it checked. Or even that this is part of the process of filling this way. Because this goes hand in hand with the first one. Almost always when someone, and I remember, I wish I remember, I'm the worst when it comes to citing the studies or whatever it was. But I remember reading a study or an article that talked about the average male and female at this weight,

so like very general numbers, how many calories macros would they need to have to hit their RDA for all their macros? Which, by the way, some people argue isn't even optimal for nutrients, for sure. Right, exactly. And it's like the amount you were supposed to eat, it was like for a guy it was like a 3,500 plus a serving of liver.

It was like this like, just ridiculous. Nobody's eating that. I'm like, so almost everybody's gonna have some sort of deficiency somewhere. And then put that in the context of somebody who is dieting and eating like you said, boiled chicken breast, this and that. It's like dude, you are certainly

probably deficient somewhere, and so yeah, I think they go hand in hand. If you're eating too little, you're also probably gonna have some of these nutrient deficiencies. Have you guys ever seen, they put together some dieticians and they said, create a 2,000 calorie diet that hits the RDA of every single micronutrient. They can't, right?

They took some crazy planning. And it was not a diet the average person would eat. No, it's like I told you, it's like you have to have so many ounces of liver, like you need these unbelievably nutrient-dense foods in order to fit the calories. So I remember it was like- You had to match the calories.

To match the calories to not gain weight on the average person, but yet hit your nutrients like you. It's crazy. And that just, it's a testament to how much we, I think our nutrients lacking are like, there's part of that thing was connected to showing like what a, like a vegetable had nutrient wise today versus like 50 years. Yeah. So food is a lot lower. Our, our maintenance calories is much lower. And you and because of that like what we is required to get what our body needs is much higher yet If we eat much higher we put on body fat

So we're in this conundrum of okay, I need to eat less in order to lose weight But then I'm almost certainly gonna be deficient somewhere because I'm getting nutrient deprived So and I just think it's overlooked. Yeah, I think we talk so much about the aesthetic, right? How I look, oh, I don't like this gut and this is what it takes to lose it, but we don't talk about health and what's optimal nutrient wise. No, it's relatively common when you when you look at all and then there's also this like the greater the deficiency the louder the signs and symptoms are. So you could be borderline deficient, and you just kind of don't feel as good as you could.

You know, and you don't have these crazy glaring symptoms, but you're just not getting, you're in the low- It's real low level, yeah. Yeah, so this was dumb, because I've had clients like this. I've had clients like this. Actually, I had one- I was like this with magnesium. Yeah.

Vitamin D too. Yes, if you would have asked me, I would be like, I'm fine. I don had clients like this. Actually I had one. I was like this with magnesium. Vitamin D too. Yes if you would have asked me I would be like I'm fine. I don't think I have bad sleep. But then all of a sudden I take it and it felt life-changing like that's wild but it was because I was deficient. Yep I had a client once that for a while we could not figure out why she was having strange neuropathy in her fingertips. It was like it was happening forever and her doctor couldn't figure it out Nobody could figure it out and I did some Google searching. It's a trick nerd I'm like you have a vitamin B deficiency

She got tested sure enough took some cheap of a beast. It's a B supplements and she felt great. All right last is not Priming or doing a proper warm-up. All right, so why is this a stupid reason, why is this a frustrating reason? First off, we call a good warmup or one that's individualized priming. We use that word to differentiate it because when I say warmup, people just think warming up the body.

Like a warm- Calisthenics running on the treadmill. Blood flow and that's about it. And now the bar is really low with warmups. The idea behind a warmup is to reduce the risk of injury. That's the idea. And that's the minimum it should do. And just moving before you exercise does reduce the risk of injury through some different some mechanisms, primarily the main one being

your body is just firing better because you've just done a couple of these things. For example, if you practice one thing the second time around, you'll do it better. It's not as abrupt. Your body recognizes it better. Yes. Now, priming is different. Priming takes your individual body and how it moves, and you warm your body up individually

so that it works best during your workout based off of what you need. So to give you an example, I may be someone who when I squat, my ankle mobility is a limiting factor. So what ends up happening when I squat, this is a common one, is I'll squat and my feet will flatten and slightly turn out. So I'll get a little bit of rotation in my knee. Now I might not notice it, but I start to notice that my knees bother me a little bit.

I get a little achy in my knees when I squat, okay? If I identify that in myself properly, I can do ankle priming, and then when I get into my squat, that doesn't happen, because I move better. You can do this for your hips, you can do this for your shoulders, you may have forward shoulder,

you might have forward head, you might do this for your shoulders. You may have forward shoulder, you might have forward head. You might have issues engaging your core. If you prime properly, then when you get into your workout, right away set one is effective. Right away it's effective. And the risk of injury goes way down. So to put it differently, a well done set of squats where you are moving very, very well versus one that's okay, right?

It's not so bad you're gonna hurt yourself right away, but it's just not great. The difference in results over the next six months is actually significant. It's quite significant. And a lot of people don't understand how to prime. Now a good coach or trainer will know how to prime you properly, but really look at your individual

movement pattern issues and warm yourself up specifically, not generally. That's one of the best ways I could put it. If you had to put a percentage to the return on your investment on that per exercise you do in the workout, would you say it makes the exercise five percent better, one percent, 10, 15? I'd say 10 at least.

10 percent? I mean,, we, so for the audience they understand, we're very aware of this and we always see, we see great examples of this at the professional level of sports. So if you go to a football game, hockey game, basketball game, any professional sport and unfortunately the television doesn't show much of this because you don't, they cut right from commercial right to playing but what it's happening before the game for about 30 minutes is very individualized priming for all these athletes almost every athlete has a assigned coach so if you watch It's like your warm-up looks like this. So Steph Curry's band work and drills looks different than Draymond Green's drills. And they have figured that out. Now, you're talking about some of the most fit athletes

out there. So it's not like they need this exercise. But what they are doing is they are priming their body to go get the most out of every movement that they do in that game for the next field. It's the same thing when you're trying to pocket the quickest possible. Yes.

And that's the thing. On that level, too when you're trying to pocket the quickest possible. Yes, and that's the thing is here And on that level too, you're talking about velocity and acceleration Which you know has even more Need for priming in order to I was just going through this getting coached for just a jerk press And so this is something that's like a bit foreign to me right now in terms of like an Olympic lift But the demands for it are crazy in terms of my feet positioning and to be responsive with that And so to be responsive with that Doing it without the priming sequence

you see me flailing all over the place because it my body's just trying to react and catch and figure it out and like over Over doing it in terms of my energy output just to try to stabilize and control. So you know but then I as I did it again with priming and I've you know patterned that that that movement it was like sinked in immediate sinking in and again if you kind of scale that down to your workout and any kind of exercise you're doing you're just going to squeeze and maximize that performance potential to that degree. If you add, if you include the gains you'll get,

or the performance you'll get for the exercise through the sets with proper priming, and you combine that with the reduction in injury or pain, I believe the payoff is more than 10%. I know, I just, I would say over the course of a year, it's probably more like 15% or 20%. I mean, the reason why I brought up the professional athlete thing is because

these guys are working out. They're doing nutrition. They're checking the boxes already. And yet they still. And they're still doing it. And they're still doing it, and they're still remiss. So for the average gym goer, who's not checking all the boxes,

I think the return's even higher. I think the impact of them getting ready to go, the return that they're going to see on it is even greater because they're not optimizing every other place. So at least optimize getting your body ready for that workout. I think the, I wish we had some good studies to give, to nail down a percentage so I could sell it better. But it's like an area that I mean, to me of all the ones you listed, this one is like, I mean, this is again, I've said this before on the podcast, if you listen for a long time, I was so proud of, you know, we're proud of everything we've done program wise, but Maps Prime was so was

so special as far as like, I knew the value and it took me years before I got to this place where I really recognize the value of the assessment and really teaching a client how to prepare their body for a workout, to get the most out of it. So they move more optimally, they reap the most amount of benefits, and it was mind-boggling how many people skipped that process or how many people bastardized it

by just doing ridiculous like jumping jacks or just go run on a treadmill for 10 minutes and then let's go right into our workout. It's like, man, if we could hone in on what this person's body needs and spend a quick five to eight minutes just getting them ready, man, the rewards, aside from injury prevention and posture and moving better,

it just, the rewards on the muscle building side and fat loss are tremendous. And so the fact that we created something that not only trainers and coaches could go use for their clients, but that the person who doesn't even have a trainer and coach could assess themselves and learn that themselves, I think it's the best thing that we ever did. Because this is more individualized, let's do, so if you want something like that, you go to mapsprime.com, then prime 50 will give you 50% off. That way you can figure that out for yourself.

A good trainer knows how to do this, by the way. This is one of the technical things that separates a great trainer from your typical trainer. If your trainer doesn't- It's a big part of their value. Run! If your trainer doesn't do this on their first- if your trainer on the first session doesn't do a deep thorough assessment on you, run. Yeah. Big red flag. Yeah, there's far better coaches and trainers out there that take this part And the ones that are that have been doing this for a long time

Understand how valuable how important this is and they're not at that phase of their career where they allow the client to dictate what the training Session looks like they know how to convince or explain to this person how valuable this assessment that we're doing is even when the clients Saying I just want to work out. Let's just show me some exercise. Let's just get a sweat on. And you're like, no, no, no. I'm going to break down to you why we want to do this. Here's how valuable priming can be when you do it right. This is a trainer trick, but it's not really a trick. It's just you know what you're doing.

You would get a client, I would get a client, a potential client who would say to me, I have low back pain or I have shoulder pain. Or really show me when your shoulder hurts. Oh, it's when I do this. I would prime them for 10 minutes properly then I'd say do that a movement again. No shoulder pain Oh my god, it's gone. They would hire me That's literally that was like a hundred percent you talk to any trainers been a trainer for a long time Who knows this if I had somebody that I wanted to get hire me This was the fastest easiest way to show my value is when they had a little bit of pain

I'd make it go away in 10 minutes with proper priming. And it would. It would either go away or it would be 70% reduction. I mean, let's break that one down because it was so common and I think it is so powerful. Because the joint, the humerus is like floating, and what happens, a lot of people feel this pain in their shoulder when they do bench press or overhead pressing Because it's not in an optimal position and the muscles that are supposed to stabilize that shoulder and put it in the optimal spot Aren't aren't firing properly. And so what you know to do is go. Okay. I know what this person needs to do

They need to fire all those muscles get them warmed up and then they'll pull that humerus into the optimal position to where that Shoulder is floating where in that socket perfectly. So then to the, it looks like you just miraculously cured them. But you just understand as a trainer like, oh, I know why this person feels that way. Let me go warm that up real quick. You just gotta get him aligned and stacked properly. And now that person who was skipping bench press or overhead pressing because it always Can now do it. Can now do it.

And like talk about the return on that. And I had clients like that. I had clients who were like, oh yeah, I don't I don't do bench press because every time I do it I feel this clicking and it just nagging pain or oh I'm gonna do shoulder press I feel this and so you know I can do this I can do that but I avoid that it's like oh my god well we could we could fix that right now you want to fix that like huh you'd fix that right now yeah blow their mind I love that hey I wanted to ask you haven't talked to to you since you went and trained with Jordan. Yeah, with Jordan. Yeah. Yeah, it was amazing. And it's funny because it's just like, it's one of those things that you're always the student and

like, you know, like it's thrown out there a lot. And it's, I knew a brief amount about Olympic lifting from my past working with it for football, but it was, I had some good coaches that have kind of set a little bit of a foundation, but like just the amount of cues and direction and the high level that he is in terms of, you know, that specific lift itself, it was like, I was, I was sitting there just like mind blown just because it was like, I felt stupid because I had waited this long to go get somebody To actually do a proper assessment of what I'm actually trying to accomplish So he was walking through a jerk press. Yeah, right and that's a technical lift

Okay, explain a jerk press to me versus a push press. I know push presses push press. Yeah bilateral So it's I'm basically so you're jumping to a split stance see I'm jumping to split stance Yeah to split stance position and what that provides so if I'm trying to do an excess amount of weight which I'm Trying to really push the the envelope of what I've never where I've never been before I'm trying to clear a certain distance greater I'm trying to clear a certain distance greater. Because you know, the amount of load you're pushing up, right, I'm limited to, let's say like 275,

I got full lockout. So now I try to put 315, I can get about here. Right? So now if I get under and I drop, I just went from this potential to this potential. But that requires a lot more skill in what I'm doing with my legs and my feet especially because I'm not, my body isn't as,

doesn't recognize that kind of stabilization at that kind of velocity. So it was like a lot of work we were doing was really like, you know The step out and then the the pushing of the front of my foot in the back foot to create that vertical stability And then also my hand position. I had to really widen my grip As I'm as I'm pushing out because the technique it's it's too. It's also a little different because I'm used to like a real explosive snapping push. So with a push press, I could kind of hinge my hips

and I could almost like vertical jump it up. Right, right, right. This is a little bit different. So I'm setting up, so I'm basically dropping in and pressing down, I guess, pressing my knee down as opposed to pressing my arms up. Oh, interesting. So it's a different... Different cue. Shift, different mindset with that because I'm just trying to clear that distance by lowering and then extending as I'm lowering. So it's less of my upper body really trying

to muscle this up as much as a technique and the flow of me. It's like getting under while you extend your arm. Yes. And then holding it. And then holding it into the log out. So, um... How far did you... It's a whole new thing.

How far did you have to regress? Oh, oh, real far. Did you go all the way down to the bar? It's really humbling. I mean, no, I mean, yeah, I did the bar. I did an empty bar and then we worked up and I kind of went up to like 185 and then I was like It's funny cuz you know, we're in a CrossFit gym and you know, I love Jordan He's like a really good coach at the same time. I'm like they do a lot of volume here

I guarantee it cuz like even when I'm trying to rest in between is like just staring at me, you know I'm just like and I'm trying to like small talk just by myself You know, I don't even remember how many reps I did but I just kept he's like, okay, let's try this again Oh, you want to add some more weight? Crushed me for three days like that. I only got up to like 185 and I was like fuck It's almost like I'm learning a whole new thing where you are Yeah, it's a huge skill, but but it's so not that much difference It's like, you know,

because I'm still pressing, but at the same time, I'm doing a whole lot more. Well, bro, you gotta stabilize with the split stance. Your grip is wider, and then from the split stance, you have to come up and step together. So that's like a whole, that's all different. Well, that part's, yeah, that part's not as bad. It's, yeah, it really, it's the synchronicity of the whole thing. Like it's just really. Have you walked out? Over, like my brain was like on overload.

Have you walked out yet with just the locked 315 and just held it? Just held it. You have. But that's just, that's without any effort. That was like just holding it. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah.

And you've done that. It's heavy as fuck. Hell yeah, dude, I can't tell the echo to do that. I was like, holding it right right yeah yeah right you've done it's heavy as fuck hell yeah dude I don't know do you crush my spine but but that was the thing so so it's like I made this massive leap where I finally got like 275 and then it was like oh yeah okay so so now what I'm looking at is this and then it was like I really have to step like quite a bit back to get further in that and that was Your crazy boom Typical just 75 I've been impressed bro Hyped you to I would have hella hyped you about 275

We already would have had the whole thing and like I had the chalk and you know the smelling salts and it would've been done I mean to compare it to compare it in in my world of what I was doing It would have been like me coming out and being like I'm gonna get all 50 pounds back right away You know more he never did through if well, yeah Well, it's you know, you gave me 50 pounds and 50 pounds of muscle in three months It's pretty ridiculous no matter where you've been before, you know I'm saying so? So that's how like extreme... And that's why no one will remember your name. That's so Justin right there. That resonates. Look how happy he is right now. I feel that. That's so awesome. Dude, the other day, Adam, you were asking me about detoxing.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So that led me down a little bit of a rabbit hole into looking at chelating compounds. So these are compounds that bind to heavy metals. So is chelating just another term for detoxing? Well, it'll help with the detoxing process. So chelating compounds, what they'll do is they'll attach to heavy metals and then you can excrete them.

Okay, so, because otherwise they kind of stay in the body. So if you have, like let's say you're high in aluminum or you know, lead, God forbid, or whatever, then typically what a functional medicine practitioner will do is have you use chelating compounds plus use things like a sauna and stuff like that to help move that process along, right? Yeah. Chlorophyll is an excellent chelating compounds plus use things like a sauna and stuff like that to help move that process along. Chlorophyll is an excellent chelating component.

Chlorophyll is what makes plants green. It's what makes plants green. Isn't that the primary thing that's in like green juice? Isn't that what that is? Well that's why it's green. So the reason why it's green, the Organified Green Juice is green is because of the chlorophyll.

Which by the way, Doug confirmed this. I think I've had you look this up before chlorophyll if I'm not mistaken is is very similar hemoglobin hemoglobin in blood yeah didn't they in the world one of the world wars use it to for people who needed hemoglobin as a cheap alternative maybe you could look that up but anyway so chlorophylls got all these benefits, right? So like chlorella, spirulina, green algae, very high in chlorophyll. Is this one of those, like, you know how people

eat a ton of carrots, they turn orange? No, that's different. I don't think it'll turn green. You don't think it'll turn green? No. You think anybody's ever tried? No, I don't think you'd turn green. I'd be curious, dude.

It can turn orange, have you seen that before? Is that real if you can bro? I went to school the kids why it's not that crazy. I would say that Trump just eats a lot of Oranges they say did you see that somebody somebody called out one of the news networks for like tinting more orange No, oh, that's hilarious. Well, they do that to Joe Rogan when they try to make him look sick. Yeah and ivermectin. They had all these weird filters on them it was hilarious. To make them look all pale. Whoa the levels people go to. It's so messed up. Pretty deceptive. Did you find anything on chlorophyll there Doug? Well it is very similar to hemoglobin. I don't see anything about it being used. Look at chlorophyll for blood transfusion and then see if doctors have tried that before. I might be just

making this up. You might be. But anyway, so the green juice is probably because we get, there are lots of things that we're exposed to in the environment that our body has a tough time getting rid of. By the way, chlorophyll also boosts your liver's ability to detox. It does through this mechanism that I don't fully understand, but it's been shown in studies that if you take chlorophyll or you supplement with things higher in chlorophyll, your liver will do a better job of kind of detoxing, which is good, especially if you do things like drink alcohol or expose to pollutants and stuff

like most of us are. So is this a... Good product. Is this what you are doing with all your free time now that you Have to tell they have to tell the audience About your other come to Jesus moment. Yeah, I mean, I feel like an update. I haven't heard you story So what happens when you you know find anything Doug? No, I made it up them

It is a key lady compound. Oh, that's legit. No, so you know, I'm going through this process of, you know, this is like a process of prayer, trying to break down this idol of mine around exercise. And so I broke it, I brought it down to two days a week. I was doing maps anabolic, two days a week, and then three days a week or so, or two days a week I'm doing like mobility and stuff. And the idea is to eventually go back to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu because it's just better, it's a healthier mindset for me to do that versus bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is just, my relationship with it

moves in the wrong direction. So anyway, I'm doing this two days a week, right? And I'm getting strong, right? I'm getting real strong. Adam was commenting on my list. And that kind of perked a little bit, he shouldn't have said anything. A little gasoline there.

Well, I'm not counting the weight. I purposely wasn't counting how much weight was on the bar And I wasn't saying it like to right I know you'd be going it was more like hey Okay, guy you dropped out of two days week, but now you're pressing some serious ass way So anyway, I was working out and I came in here and I'm deadlifting and I'm just, you know, I'm feeling it and you know, I'm lying to myself because I, of course, hindsight, right? My ego was picking up or whatever, the idol was speaking up. So I started to slap and wait on and I'm just getting, having a good time, the staff's in

here and I put 530 on the bar and I go to rip it real fast and I feel pop my hamstring. Just like I did in Hawaii now. It wasn't a tear, but it was a pull. Definitely not a tear. Same leg? Just like me, dude. Same hamstring, different head of the hamstring though. Wasn't the semitendinosis, it was more inner. Different attachment.

Yeah, so I'm like, cool, I got the other side, I guess. Yeah, good, even it out. So I sit down and I'm like angry. I'm angry, like gosh, I did this to myself. So I'm like all right, let me just bring this down a little bit and just let me just sit here and be by myself and pray a little bit and okay, okay, I hear you.

I'm doing it again. So I sat there for like 10 minutes on the bench, just kind of like, so I'm like, it's like the beginning of my workout. So I'm like, I'll just finish the workout, I'll go light. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna go easy just finish the workout, I'll go light. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna go easy and finish the workout. Now the obvious answer should have been go home.

Go home, buddy. But I'm like, I'm just gonna go light. So I go to do my overhead press and I lighten the load and I'm pressing and I, you know, then I hurt my back. So. Oh, yeah. Double whammy.

Now the audience, people need to know this. Somebody needs to make an AI image of us like a wheelchair. You're so giddy. Screw you. I was messed up with Mystery Less Company dude. I feel you know I feel you because it got me. You know what I'm saying? It's annoying, man. Well, it's also because we know better, right? I know better. And just like you do, and obviously we're on this platform, we're teaching and helping and telling people, so to do dumb shit to yourself is just like, God, it's just, it's a double whammy. It's different if it's in the dark and I don't got nobody's gotta know about it, you know what I'm saying? But it's like the whole world finds out when I do it.

What's weird about, what's interesting is that I don't, you guys, I've been working out forever, you guys, I don't get hurt. I never get hurt, I'm pretty smart, I stick to what I do, my body's pretty resilient to injury, even heavy lifting. So it's just, you know, it's like, someone's telling me something, so I just totally backed off and, you know,

get back into it, but this time with a different, hopefully, attitude. I hope I don't hurt myself. So are you, did you have to lay off legs completely for a week or two? Yeah, no legs, and I'm just moving this week. I'm just, you know, because I need to exercise. I have to move, we're so sedentary.

But I'm not doing anything crazy with the lifting. And I'm gonna try, as soon as it gets healed, I'm gonna get into Jiu Jitsu AS And I'm gonna try, as soon as it gets healed, I'm gonna get into jujitsu ASAP. Because that's what's gonna do it. I need that community, and it's a different mindset. Totally different mindset. You know, this has been two and a half, almost three years, since I moved last time.

And so I'm in the middle of a move right now. We're finishing up. And granted, I didn't do all of it at all. But I did some of it. And I'm reminded, uh, like when you do things that are like so out of like, cause we, when we lift, even though I create, you know, some rotation exercises and I do some things I'm supposed to, but grabbing furniture and twisting and we're raised and reaching. It's not balanced like

a bar. It is. Yeah. It's so, it's still so different. Like the, I feel sore in a different way and just like reminded like, man, just how how how taxing that can be on my body and going like god, dude I just don't I'm not the same as I was before how easily stuff like that can affect Have you guys seen those videos? It's so funny. You say that there was these videos on social media where they had Bodybuilders versus farmers. Oh god I seen the I seen the who is that viral guy it's a viral guy it's like his whole thing is that. Well you're talking about are you talking about the dude that dresses like a custodian? No no

no there's a there's a guy's page it's like dedicated to all these I've just watched an interview. They had there's some that were like construction workers versus bodybuilders another one that was a farmer. I sent it to you guys. And they were arm wrestling and there were some where they were like deadlifting and lifting things. And the farmer's construction was blowing these guys away. They were just, they didn't even work at all. They just worked. Yeah dude. I think some of them were still, they trained too, but they were mainly contractor guys. I think they still lifted too. I saw that video. I think I sent it to you guys. I love that. I mean there's something to be said about that man and to be doing it for years. I think I sent it to you guys. I love that. I love that. I mean, there's something to be said about that, man, and to be doing it for years.

Listen, I have all the respect. I have a family that does blue collar. I know what that does to you. Yeah. It makes you strong in a completely different real world way. So anyway, I brought some interesting data came out on snacking trends that I wanted to bring up. I think, well, I've already speculated this. We've said this on the show, that the GLP1, the intervention of GLP1s is going to be culture shifting. Well, they're meeting and there's already snacks coming out to counter it. Yeah, to lessen the effects of the GLP1, it's like built, baked into these snacks.

Listen to this, dude're they are seeing in 2024 area science wars in 2024 Greek yogurt has gone up 12% sales cottage cheese 11% which is these are big numbers Okay, big percentage of jumps for people who understand the food industry. It's a big deal Nutrition shakes have gone up 8% meat snacks 5% Then you go to cookies down 1.22%, potato chips down 1.2%, pretzels down, crackers down, non-chocolate candy down.

I mean, you know. That's awesome. Yeah, it's going way down. In fact. We should be celebrating. It's awesome, but they're freaking out. Yeah, they're freaking out. That's millions, billions of dollars.

For the first time since 2008, North American snack empire reported an annual sales decline. Revenue slipped from 24.7 billion to, yeah, from 24 to 24.7 billion, down from 24.9. But the crazy thing is, it's been growing. It's been growing, growing, growing, growing, and for the first time ever, going down.

They're panicking. They are completely freaking out. Now, this article's stupid, because they're like, lower income, people who are lower income are trying to spend less or whatever. No, no. It's been going up for a long time.

I think it has to do it. You know why, by the way, because people are like, well, how many people are actually using GLP ones? That ones a significant percentage, but when you look at snack food consumption There are heavy users and then there are the average person Yeah, so like they've done this with fast food when you look at fast food them whales. There's there's a percentage That's money right? Yeah, you want them whales go away When you look at like

That like he's well in the money The big spender well It's gonna get received very different than what he's been. That's what you call a big spender. Yes, I know. That's what I'm saying, guys. I know, bro. But anyway, anyway, when you look at the data on this,

there are a significant percentage of snack food sales go to a smaller percentage of people that are just considered heavy users. I'm not trying to make a joke like you. These are heavy consumers. And so those are the people most likely to be on a GLP-1. And when they reduce their intake, you see it. Because the average person will consume snacks.

I think it's kind of a perfect storm for the snack food industry because I think when we were kids, we were pitched and sold and actually thought it was healthy. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like literally, like when we were kids, our parents like, this is a good idea. You know, cereal was marketed to us as like a healthy choice and- As part of a healthy breakfast. Of our balance.

Yeah. So I think gone are those times. I mean, granted, there might be a small percentage of people that are still that gullible But I think most people are pretty aware that you know, Froot Loops is not a balanced breakfast I think most people know that Chips Ahoy just because it's fortified and vitamins is not ideal for your kids Not the vitamins they need right? So I think I think you we get to the place where and then of course obesity is at all-time high So you got an obesity

in children old times highs we get to that point and everyone's kind of waking up simultaneously we have this intervention of glp1 coming in and it's like so i mean i predict yep a rapid drop which is why i also think they're they're panicking is like because when you say would you say two point or two twenty four point seven to two from twenty four point nine to yeah it's marginal right Because when you say, would you say 24.7 to... From 24.9 to 24.7. Yeah, it's marginal, right? But I mean... But it's a reversal. It's a reversal and it's all signs on where it's going.

And I think that's going to accelerate the other way. Agreed. 100%. And you're also seeing the obesity epidemic seems to be flattening out for the first time ever. Which all predictions were like, oh, it's gonna keep going until this number right here. But it's flattened out, so it's interesting. It's interesting. I find it comical that the two industries that people like to label as evil,

like processed food industry and the pharmaceutical industry are fighting. You know what I mean? This is gonna be great. It's like a desert tug of war. Cannibalize each other. Yeah, dude. Let's see what happens.

I mean, it's great. And then you see companies like our other partner on the rise and crushing it like ButcherBox where people are opting in for grass-fed meat and delivered to your house. They continue to grow. Whole foods. And so, yeah, what a great time to be a company like that.

Like it's a scary time to be Chips Ahoy, but it's a great time to be, you know, a market, a butcher box, a brand like that 20 years ago doesn't thrive. No. No way. No. So people aren't aware enough, people don't care enough, doesn't make sense where it's,

they time that at a great time and I think it's only going to get better for them over the next decade. I tell you guys right now, it's our sponsor, right? And so I'm always talking about our partners to family members because obviously we like their products and I've been telling people about butcher box for a while in my family and some people are like yeah I'll try to be like well wait whatever I don't care. No big deal. You know what's selling them like crazy I'll have them come over so I had a bunch of people come over our house and they brought their kids all the kids were Over so I made their nuggets

over our house and they brought their kids, all the kids were over, so I made their nuggets. I brought it up so many times. I made their chicken nuggets and I made a huge plate of them and all the adults were eating them and the adults were like, what are these? Are these healthy, Sal? I'm like, listen, they're pretty good, they're gluten free. So everybody got subscriptions because of the chicken nuggets.

Aren't you guys doing cook-off, by the way? You and Doug? We got, when Brink and, so we have our trainer CEUs, which by the way we didn't announce on the podcast. There might be space available, but it's coming up. So it's a free course. It's the only time it'll be free. So Justin did this, he launched it with Kyle, where we're going to, just so the trainers

that listen to this are aware, we're going to start hosting, because we got this all accredited through NASM, hosting CEU classes. All trainers need CEUs to renew their national certifications. We will start hosting those here for trainers. The first one to kick it off, we wanted to do free. Give back. So long as there's space.

You go to mindpumplive.com and you get to come to Mindpump Studio headquarters. We're gonna teach some of it. We've got other people teaching some of it. Yeah, we've got Brink, who's coming down to teach. We have Jordan Syatt coming down to teach. Kyle, Eli, us. It's gonna be incredibly valuable. And you'll get free CU's. If there's space available, once it's filled up, it's filled up. It's free so it's gonna go fast. So it's probably the one and only time you hear it on the podcast. Yes, on the 26th of this month.

26th of this month, which is what? Only a few days away, right? Just a few days away, yes. But anyways, they're coming into town and- If you're in the San Jose area, so you'll be dumb not to do this, it's free here. I invited Syed and Brink over to the house and said, hey Doug, why don't you and I, instead of us going out, let's, why don't we do a little cook-off? And so I'll bring my baby back ribs from Butchelup.

So you guys each make your own thing? Yeah yeah. And then it's just fun. And then we're gonna vote? No we don't have to do it for you. I mean you guys can. I mean it's for bragging rights. We'll reveal it on the podcast. What I want to do right now because I know it's all you guys are ah it's fun or whatever but I'm gonna I'm gonna continue to push to see who wins because you're both extremely competitive. Doug is low-key extremely competitive. Yeah because then we all benefit. So we're going to announce the winner. I'm openly competitive.

Doug's like this, oh what we're doing is taking notes. Yeah, my wheels have been spinning the whole time. He's researching. He's getting special spices shifted from Japan. He's like, oh what was it? We were going to do a thing? I forgot all about it. He comes in with his fucking box.

Trust me, my wheels are spinning. I'm doing something a little unique. It's been marinating for a week already. Oh, this whole thing? I'll throw it on there. I totally know that's what he's going to do. I took a treat on that last night. You see, Doug Herbie said that. I guarantee he's going to bring something.

I'm going to keep it simple. I crush butcher box ribs. The ribs are, yeah. I've done those enough times I can't mess them up. I'm going for the easy win and let him sabotage himself. You won't even tell us what you're gonna do. I'll tell's just say it has a Japanese. It's meat. I'll give you that. It has a Japanese twist to it. It's Japanese meat.

Japanese wings. That's my guess. It's edible. Ordinarily I do the ribs because the ribs, yeah, they're a winner for sure. So it's going to be a tall order because I know Adam does a great job with ribs. So I have to come with my A game. I got to come up with something a little bit. With your chicken related dish.

Let him tell us. Let's just say it's a bird, okay? It something a little bit. With your chicken related dish. You know what I'm telling you? Let's just say it's a bird, okay? It's a bird. It doesn't really fly much. What? Ostrich or? Quail.

I can't wait, dude. I know how ridiculous you guys are about grilling, so I can't wait. I just figured we always do the going out to dinner stuff like that, and I'm like, having everybody over at the place, Doug and I cook. You guys don't want me growing up.

I'm just, yeah. I gotta say though, I'm a little nervous because what I'm thinking of doing I haven't really practiced or done see that's where I didn't Want to go there like I have to take a risk though. I'm going up against your ribs, right? So I have to take a risk there. Are you guys bringing your smokers? Oh, I have my smoker at my house for sure I was smoker at my grill. I'll probably bring my own grill. Yeah Already call I'll probably bring my own grill. Yeah. I can't wait to see your talk. Doug's gonna see it. I already called it. I told him two hours ago.

He's driving a whole chef. I guarantee he's already Googling shit right now. Dude, getting all ready and stuff for it. Sue Chef with him. Yeah, weird. I can't wait. I can't wait. We'll see who wins.

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What's up, Steven? What's up, Steven? Hey, how's it going? Good. How are you? Oh, if I was any better, I wouldn't be able to stand it. Great. What's going on, man? How do we help you?

So I guess my question comes to, I've been overweight my entire life. Battled it, battled it, battled it, yo-yoed, yo-yo'd, keto'd this, blah, blah, blah, that. I found you guys through a coworker about a year ago, and he pointed me in the right direction. Started off as anabolic and prime, worked fantastic, and during that time I wasn't dieting correctly this and that. I lost about 50 pounds in probably four or five months and turns out it was just a bunch of muscle because I wasn't dieting correctly. I wasn't dialed in. So here in the past couple months I ran through anabolic again hitting my protein, hitting my calories and I gained about 20 pounds back in the last couple

months and I'm still fitting into the clothes I was. I of course I'm a college student so I don't I try not to track my calories that much because it just it's a stress that I don't really need. But you know, I hit my 200 grams of protein a day and it comes out to about 2,800 calories a day if I eat when I'm hungry until I'm satisfied. So I guess, I guess I just need help going from here,

if that makes sense. Just so you know, Steven, I think you're going from here, if that makes sense. Just so you know, Steven, I think you're doing really good, buddy. I think that's a good place to be at calorie-wise and grams of protein and strength training. Just what you have to mentally prepare yourself for is it's not going to give you the same 50 pounds on the scale as the other way of dieting. And so I think, and this is what I'm hearing from you, it's probably more of that going on in your head is like, okay, I'm doing the right things now, but then I'm not seeing the scale move as much, but it's, it's happening. You're, what's happening is

this beautiful exchange of a little bit of fat going down, a little bit of muscle being built, which doesn't result in the scale moving very much, but your body composition is probably changing really nice at a really good pace and you're in a very good like calorie. What I'm always worried is so I get on the call with someone like this and they're like, oh I'm only 1300 calories and it's like, oh shit, where do we go from there? But I think you're actually at a really good place to just kind of cruise like that. to just kind of cruise like that. What might be of value is like being in a community, like in our forum, I'd love to put you in there with us.

So that- So as you're going through this process and you have moments of doubt or you're not sure about something, you can just message us on there and then we can take a look at what you're doing and keep encouraging you in that direction because where you're at sounds pretty damn good.

So are you still pursuing being a firefighter based off the question you wrote us a while ago? Well, we moved back home, so we're not necessarily in St. Louis anymore. So yes, I am, but I'm kinda just, I plan on being a volunteer somewhere and I just want to be able to serve my community wherever I end up in that way.

Okay good, and then have you, you said you've been struggling with weight for a long time. What do you mean a long time, how long? I can't remember the last time I was in an extra large shirt, let's put it that way. Okay, okay. Is working with a coach something you'd be open to? Because someone like you who's been struggling with this for a while, a coach is going to be able to walk you through the pitfalls that you're going to run into. So as you do this, what probably has happened

in the past is you've done a few things right, you've seen some results, you hit a pitfall, backtrack. And it's this back and forth backtrack. Exactly. And it's going to happen again without having someone there that can walk you through that kid. Anticipate it. Anticipate it, that can tell you this is what it's going to feel like, this is what's going to happen, and that's okay, here's how we're gonna work around that. Your best odds, by far, are gonna be working with a coach on a semi-regular basis, once a week or something like that.

And that doesn't, and it doesn't mean, so here's the challenge sometimes people have with that, is like, oh my God, if I screw up, I gotta tell my coach. Yeah, but they're not the, it's not a drill sergeant. They're just gonna be able to coach you through this process. Just troubleshooting you. Yeah, and we're gonna break this,

we're gonna break the chains of this challenge is what it'll do. But if you're open to that, at the very least, I can have a coach call you and get into more depth and talk about what that might look like for someone like you. The workout part, I don't think it's gonna be hard if you follow our programs.

That's the programming right there. The hard part's gonna be, and it always is with everybody, is the relationship with nutrition. It's the relationship with food. That's the tough part, and that's why the coaching is so valuable. That and when the doubt creeps in, it's inevitable. The doubt will creep in, am I doing the right thing,

whatever, and then the biggest mistake people make is over-corrected when they're actually doing pretty damn good. And the shame that comes from a pitfall, which is gonna happen, okay, that happens to everybody. But then there's shame that follows along with that, which only fuels maybe past behaviors. So what we gotta do is we gotta break that,

the chains of that so it doesn't have such a grip on you, and it's a bit of a process, but when you have someone there coaching you, it's so much more effective. So much more effective. For sure. Okay. So I'm gonna have Doug put you in the private forum

for sure. And then you can tag us in there any time. That's right. And then I'll also have Doug set up where one of our trainers can call you and get a little more in depth and then potentially help you that direction too. But as far as what you're doing right now, the program, I'm cool with that. I love where you're in. You're in a good place. And you don't need to like overthink the calorie counting thing. Just keep doing what you're doing or you're tracking the protein.

Hit protein first, whole natural foods. That's like it's going to take you a long way just that alone. And this is what your coach would say to you're tracking the protein. Hit protein first, whole natural foods, that's like it's gonna take you a long way, just that alone. And this is what your coach would say to you to start you off, that's probably the advice you'd get. And then stay the course dude, you're doing good. For sure. Yep. I appreciate it, you guys are awesome.

Thanks for calling in man. Thanks Stephen. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah, I wanted to go the coach route because we could give them all the, and this is for anybody listening, you could get all the right advice. The problem typically isn't not having the right answers. It's how do I apply these?

How do I overcome this challenge? I feel this way. I feel that way. I don't want to do this. I want to do that. a good coach is a guide. And they're gonna guide you through that process, and they're also gonna teach you how to have grace for yourself when you screw up, because you will.

You absolutely will. You better have another set of eyes to really see those obstacles and challenges on the horizon before you even know they're there. So I think to have them point that out and to adjust based on program nutrition, it's just gonna be game changer for you. they're there. So I think, you know, to have them point that out into to adjust, you know, based on program nutrition, like it's just going to be game changer. Our next caller is Chris from New Hampshire. What's up, Chris? What's happening?

What's up, fellas? How you guys doing? Good, man. How you doing? Pretty good, man. Hey, well, first of all, I want to give thanks to you guys. It's weird seeing you guys from this angle. It's like I'm like on the, I'm like watching the podcast right now. It's weird seeing you guys from this angle. It's like I'm like on the I'm like watching the podcast right now. It's weird. But I appreciate you guys taking the question. I pretty much modeled my whole like fitness kind of like business off of you guys. I don't do a podcast or anything like that, but I actually own a personal training studio down in Massachusetts. And do I mean, my question is really just had a balance my business life with my love life man, and I'd love to

Just kind of like get your guys thoughts on like the grind While balancing like love life with your partner. Hmm Wow Well, there's a lot there. I'll tell you I'll tell you I'll tell you what Katrina and I do so we have a rule that anytime that she feels like, because I'm sure you're probably this person in the relationship, that you're the one who is working the crazy hours grinding and focused on growing his business. And she's the one that probably is asking for more time or whatever. And so in our relationship,

I Katrina has the ability because she runs my calendar to book us a day or two days, whatever getaway. And I have no real say in it. And she because she sees my calendar, all my appointments, she'll do it. She thinks that we're not connecting or we haven't seen enough of each other the last month because my head's been down. She'll look in my calendar the next 30 days and find that day or three days and handle the kid being watched, handle wherever we need to be, put it in the calendar and I have to submit to it. I tell you, I just got back from Mexico. This was one of these examples. I looked at her and I said, we can't do this. We can't, we're just not right now, we're in the middle of

a move right now, we got all this, we're bringing on a new marketing company at the business, like I'm all over the board, we just can't go right now. She's like, yeah, you know, you know the rules, we're booked, we're good to go, we'll figure it out. And so we've just, and every time I go, and it takes me about 24 hours before I can completely disconnect. But then once I do, I tend to look over and go, I'm glad we did that. So we just kind of have that rule in our relationship. And I empower her to be able to do that.

And when I push back and say no, that she is allowed to do that. And I know that it's for the better of our relationship. So that's one. The other thing that has been incredible in our relationship for staying connected is we save time in the night during the week for an audio book together to listen to. And what I have found in that is it's been incredibly connecting for us. It's not just what we're reading.

In fact, many times it doesn't even matter what we're listening to. It's the fact that the two of us are sitting in silence listening to something that is obviously growth related because we're learning something. And so we're growing together. And even if it's only 20 minutes, it's very powerful and leads to many intimate nights and us being incredibly bonded and some great conversations. A lot of times we'll listen to something

and we only listen for 20 minutes because something is said that we wanna discuss. Then it gets paused and then we have this great dialogue. And so we just commit to a book a month we're gonna knock out. And so we do the math on how many, it's like an hour to a week total, so we can bring that up in 20 million increments. And if we get behind four days in a row, we're busy, or maybe we're watching our favorite

show, well, that means on Thursday, we're going to listen for an hour. But we commit to that to each other, and between that, the trips, and then the date nights every now and then, I mean, I think it keeps us incredibly connected, yet able to grind like we both love to do. I have a few questions, Chris, before I could maybe add to anything to that. It says in your question that you just opened the studio about a few months ago, So it's a new business?

Yeah, it was in November. Okay, and you used to live really close to home and have more time and now you have way less time because it's a new business. And it's your girlfriend, right, not your wife? Correct. How long have you guys been together? Six years, bro.

Six, how old are you? Okay. Yeah, I'm 28. Okay, are you gonna marry her? Yes, guy, yeah, yeah, yeah. I believe I've been hounded by her family now for quite some time. Yeah, I'm 28. Okay, are you gonna marry her? Yes, guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I believe I've been hounded by her family now for quite some time. Yeah, yeah, but have you actually proposed and set the date?

No. Okay, she's gonna lose patience with you until you do that, because here's the deal, because I'm also reading your question that she does everything at home, she waits for you, and you're, because here's the problem, here's the deal. You just started this studio three months ago.

And you're gonna have to grind for a while. There's just nothing, there's nothing I can tell you that's gonna have you work 40 hours a week and succeed in a brand, in a studio that you just opened three months ago. You're gonna have to grind for a while, which means she's gonna have to be patient, which means she needs to see that there's a plan here.

And if the plan is, hey honey, hang out with me, just stick around, that's not gonna work. But if it's like, I want to marry you, propose, here's the date, and then she's like, okay, I see the goal here, and then you say, honey, I need a year. I need a year of sacrifice from you because I just opened the studio. Because it's gonna take you a while to make this thing really work. I know what it takes to own a studio. I think I'm a pretty good, I had a pretty successful one,

and it took me a year to really make that thing happen. You just opened it three months ago. You're not gonna work 40 hours a week, have all kinds of quality time with your girlfriend now. It's not gonna happen. You're gonna lose your studio. If you're okay with that, that's okay. So this is much more complex than finding

the quality time type of deal. Adam gave great advice. So the little time that you do have, I would make it quality, but you've been with her for six years, you live together. You just went from working so many hours to working tons of hours, and you're asking her to be patient with you,

she needs to see the end goal. And when she does, then you can paint the picture and tell her, here's the deal. Whatever that is, you gotta forecast that vision for her, so you guys have an actual plan that she knows that this is the plan, and I'm on board with this plan, we're both working together towards this,

so it's a team effort, right? So it's not just like, I'm doing this thing, it's gonna benefit us down the road, but you're just going to have to sit over here and wait. But just to have that, to share that is the vision that you guys are creating together. You're creating this together. You would be surprised at just how supportive your partner could be if they see the plan and you give them a date. Like, hey, look take a year it's gonna be a year of hard grinding but here's why I'm doing it and here's what's gonna happen at the end of it yeah but we need this is gonna set us up and here's why and here's what I'm gonna do versus

I got this business and we'll try and make it work and just kind of hang out that's how that's how relationships fall apart. Chris, have you guys listened to the Adam Lane Smith interviews that we did? No. Oh, bro. Good call. Oh, yeah.

Especially with this conversation right now and understanding what she needs and what you need. It's one you guys should listen to together if she'll listen to it with you. But for sure, go back and listen to the two interviews that we did with Adam Lane Smith. Incredible value for where you're at in your relationship right now is one of the only episodes I've ever sat down

with Katrina and actually listened to it together because it was so powerful for us. And she'll tell you that it was very impactful for her understanding from the male perspective and gave me more insight to hers. And so you definitely listen to those. And look, I'll just, I'll add something to this. Imagine your girlfriend saying to you tomorrow morning

when you're coming to work to work for 13 hours, because it looks like you're working 13 hours a day, which is, by the way, anybody watching, you open a brand new business, especially Brick and Mortar, you can expect to live there for a little while. Imagine if she looked at you and she said, you know what, honey? You go kick ass for us.

You go kick ass for us, you work your ass off, I'm gonna be over here holding it down for you and when you get home tonight, tired and exhausted, I'm gonna have some food ready for you and you're gonna do it again tomorrow because we got a year of this together. Imagine if she said that to you, how much more likely you were to crush

at what you were doing. Yeah dude, that's the thing too, Sal. Like that's the type of girl that she is, man. Like I don't like, I didn't ask her to like clean the house, you know, make me stuff when I'm coming up, when I'm coming home from work, anything like that. She just took it upon herself to do that because we do have those conversations, man. But like,

I want her to know that like I'm there for the long run and honestly too, dude, like I didn't even think about like the question of marriage right now because like it's just like you know how it is I'm so locked in dude and it's just like this all I can think about and it is like bro it's it's just all I think about dude the business-wise and then I don't know man the relationship stuff just takes second yeah but you know if she's that kind of woman I'm gonna tell you right now you're not gonna find that kind of woman very often that's it you right now, you're not gonna find that kind of woman very often. That is, okay? So think very carefully and think about this seriously.

You gotta show her the plan, make it happen, and then she's gonna sit by you so, because here's what's gonna happen with no plan. It's gonna wear on her, dude, and I would expect it to. So give her the, a year. It's gonna be a year, honey, a year of grinding, but here's what's gonna happen at the end, a year, it's gonna be a year honey, a year of grinding, but here's what's gonna happen at the end of the year, we're gonna do this, that,

and the other and you got me, you know type of deal. It's very different. Katrina waited 10 years bro, but she did because I did that. I did a real good job of letting her know that we were gonna do this, then this is gonna happen, and then I wanna be here financially, and then we get married, then we have kids. That was like it was communicated really early on and now don't get me wrong,

year six, seven, we're starting to get, she was starting to get impatient but she knew from day one this is where I needed to be. I want to be here before I settle down, get married and have a kid. There's a place I need to be for me personally in order to do that. If you're down to ride with me and build that with me, let's do it. If you got to leave because you don't want to stick around that long, I understand. So that was communicated really early on and so you know she did. She waited a long time before she officially got that ring and it was because we talked about it. We talked about it and it wasn't unexpected. It wasn't like she was looking at me year seven going like, what's going on?

I don't understand why we're not. No, she knew why. She knew there was a place that we needed to be and she was down to help me get there. Yeah. Yeah, dude. But trying to- Communication's so key, man.

I love that, bro. But you know, trying to get work-life balance when you're three months into a brand new business, it's just, it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen, dude. The hacks I gave you though are gold, trust me. You implement, and it doesn't take a lot of time to do that. 15, 20 minutes a night, listening to an audio book,

giving her, because it sounds like she is helping you, like Katrina helped me, Katrina ran our household, she ran our calendar, and so I gave her that ability. Hey, you tell us, you're running this relationship, you're the one who's head of this, I'm gonna go make the money, be the business guy. You run our household, you keep me in line on what we need to do, and you can tell me,

hey, Friday, you're not doing anything. We're going here, we're doing that, and it worked really well for us. Dude, after, I mean, you guys all did this, after working like 12, 13 hours, man, how do you like disconnect? Yeah, it takes a minute, man. It's tough.

That's one of the hardest, so Jordan Peterson talks about, he did this on Joe Rogan, where he, and I actually put this into practice. After you do this enough, you get better at it, but I'd pull in my driveway and shut the car off. And I wouldn't just walk in the house. I'd actually stop and literally like have this conversation with myself of like, okay, even though I got all this stuff going on with work, I haven't completed that one thing, it's like I gotta pause it right here.

I come in after I've kind of had that moment of like sitting in the driveway for a couple minutes, like decompressing, saying, okay, I'm switching now to, you know, husband and father. And then I walk in, kiss my wife, kiss my son, go straight upstairs, and I put sweats on. Just like, it's like, I'm changing. I'm changing from fitness. Your uniform. Yeah, and my uniform at home, as dad and as husband, is my sweats and my t-shirt.

And so it's like clockwork. I walk in, make sure I, and I had to train myself to do this because I'm not very good at making sure I kiss her and do those things on a regular basis. So I had to train myself to do that so that's what that conversation the driveway is come in forget about the shit that you were just putting a fire out five minutes ago on the phone go kiss your wife go say hi to your son go upstairs put your sweats and t-shirt on and your dad now and so it just I had I

had to put those practice in to get better at that otherwise if you let me I'll think about work all day all night till I fall asleep and have a hard time even doing that and then back at it again. And like, it's a superpower. It's also what is our greatest weakness. And so understanding that it's your greatest strength when you need it, but then also could be your greatest weakness when you care about other things in your life. So I had to put those practices into place. And now it's second nature to me, but it took a few years of really putting those things into practice.

Yeah. What do you think that, Justin, huh? I mean- I'm a lunch from you guys. This is all great advice. I had to do the same thing for me. And even sometimes I'd have to add an hour after I was done working. And that was just to complete all those thoughts and to figure out the appointments, to figure

out like my game plan for the next day, like everything I possibly needed to squeeze out in terms of like what I needed to do with the business. I wanted to get that done before now I step into the house. And that's, that is such a discipline that takes a lot of practice, man. And especially because you're in, you're in the heat of it right now. You're literally building something from scratch. And so it's taking everything from you right now. So my thought is after I shut that off, like what, what's my wife's needs? You know, what do I need to come in? What kind of energy do I need for them? What do I need to immediately do sometimes I just walk straight to the sink because I know there's gonna be dishes there there's no I know there's gonna be something

and I just get too busy like I just start doing things and and uh that's just because it's it just shows that like now I'm concerned her. I'm concerned about my family. And I was terrible at that in the very beginning. So this was lessons that slapped me in the face multiple times, realized my deficits. But if you're already thinking about this ahead of time and you can start implementing these practices, bro, you're going to do great.

Have you heard that conversation that Jordan Peterson had with Joe Rogan that I'm talking about? No, I have no idea. Oh, bro, you're gonna do great. Have you heard that conversation that Jordan Peterson had with Joe Rogan that I'm talking about? No, I have no idea. Oh, bro. You have to Google It's one of the most powerful things that he has said that has impacted my life Like he what he explains is he's talking about how we go on a week vacation, right? So you let me say you maybe you guys have one this year and in summer or Thanksgiving time or whatever It's a week vacation. You'll spend the whole fucking year

or Thanksgiving time or whatever. It's a week vacation. You'll spend the whole fucking year planning where you're going, the flights, the hotel, like you'll spend weeks planning this one week and all this energy effort. Yet when you do the math over your lifetime, how many weeks of vacations you'll actually take and the amount of time you spend doing that

compared to the first 15 minutes that you see your wife every day, you're talking about yet how often do you prepare for that? How often do you get your mind ready for that? Yet, you're gonna do an infinite amount more of that than you ever will on vacation. Yet, we put all this energy and effort into planning the most awesome vacation,

and yet, you don't put any effort into the 15 minutes that you see your wife every single day, and that fucking hit me like a ton of bricks, dude. That was like all I needed to hear to go, oh my God, I need to treat it that way. I need to care about it because I'm going to spend most of my life greeting her or saying goodbye to her.

And yet I dismiss that as of anything of importance in comparison to my trip to Cabo for a week. You know what I'm saying? That we planned all year long. And that was such a powerful moment for me to go, you know what, I need to put it in a practice to at least be mindful of that first 10 minutes. Yeah. Yeah, dude. You know, it reminds me of that story that Sal told a little bit ago when, when he backs out of his driveway, his kids wave at him and he goes, I gotta be gracious for this man. Yeah. Cause they're not

going to be there waving at me. That's right. Yeah, 100%. That's right. So yeah, listen to Adam Lane Smith. Find that Joe Rogan clip. I think that's powerful. And then I then go on walks. When you met your girlfriend, what were you doing for work? Oh, we were in college, man. So I was distributing beer as a salesman kind of.

And she's been with you this whole time, from beer distributor to now business owner. Yeah, bro. And she sounds like she's ride or die. All right. Dude, she is, she's the best. I hope she listens to this episode. She's almost of a mind pump gal, unfortunately.

But she loves the road, I gotta put her on a mind pump, dude. Chris, Chris. We're in her over. Make, make, make, marry her, Chris. Make, make that, make that, do it. Tell her. 100%.

Tell her and then, and then give her the dream and set the schedule and the goal so she can see the game plan. And then it'll give you another gear. It's gonna give you another gear is what it's gonna do. At least tell her the plan, bro. She'll invite us to a wedding. At least tell her the plan.

Yeah, let me, hey, can I give one shout out real quick? Yeah. Shout out to Justin's calves. They're looking nice, guys, those are crazy. You guys know I was talking about his calves. Hey, it does zero to the bathroom. I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'm gonna go to the bathroom.

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I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'm gonna Appreciate it, dude. I'll see you guys. All right, Rob. Good luck, brother. Yeah, you know, the concept of work-life balance is beautiful and amazing, but you can throw it out the window when you first start a business. There is no, when you first start a business, you have to dedicate a lot of time to just the way it is.

It's a bit of a myth. I mean, you're not, no great athlete, no great musician, nobody great at anything has balance. You build a business that allows you to have work-life balance. You work your way there. But those initial stages, he just, I read his question, like three months in, work-life balance, what are you talking about?

I do think though, I do think there are small hacks though that you can do that, I mean, stopping in your driveway for five minutes before you walk in and say your wife is a very- Right, to be set. You allowing her to book a day away is not crazy. Like you listening to an audio book in bed- I used to ask my wife three questions before I said anything about my day.

Right. And that stuff like that, yeah. Those are good. And that can apply no matter what phase you are in your life of being grinding And so yeah, good luck man. Our next caller is James from Alaska. What's up James? Man, can we help you? Hey guys, how you doing? Good, man So I was on a couple years ago. Um, I don't you guys remember we talked I asked you guys about

programming for wildland firefighters And so I figured I'd give you kind of an intro what I've been up to since then and then go into my question I'll read from it it's kind of long so I'll read from it so I'm just so I make sure I forget anything um so since then I think I was back in 2023 and I've been listening to you guys for a few years probably since 2020 so about five years and since then I've been a nutrition coach full-time and I also back up to Alaska so I was kind of bouncing between full-time and I also back up to Alaska. So I was kind of bouncing between Arizona and Alaska.

So I'm back up in Alaska right now. I got married and now we have 34 dogs. I'm a musher up here. And that's a nutrition coach, a musher up here. And so that's kind of what I've been up to for the last couple of years. And I graduated this semester with my degree in dietetics. So right now I'm working with wildland firefighters and military personnel and back country athletes

and people like kind of like similar to me. So my question isn't so much about fitness. It's more so about like having passion for what you guys do. So over the years I've had a couple different careers. I was an infantryman in the Marine Corps. I was a wildland firefighter. After that I worked in security for a bit too. Now I'm a dog muster up in Alaska, and I'm also my

nutrition business. My long term goal is to be an astronaut, but I think I might love where I'm at right now too, as a muster and nutrition coach. And I'm only 27. So obviously, I don't have to have everything, you know, figured out right now. Like I got plenty of time. But But but we do want kids soon So I just wanted to show like I want to be able to show my kids that Like what it's like to love what you do. So like I said, my question for you guys isn't so much about fitness I'm finding right now that I might not love every moment of my life

But overall I really enjoy what I do and I think I love what I do So I might that was kind of my question for you guys. How did you determine that fitness is what you love to do and what you wanted to do for the rest of your lives? How much of it did you actually love and how much of it did you not enjoy? That's a great question. Oh, how do you, how do you, uh, what, how do you, what kind of a business is a musher, are you delivering products and stuff to different people or people

hiring you just to have the experience? What is that? It's more so that like the tours and stuff. So when we that's how we make our money. So people come up and they do tours with us. So we take them out with the dogs on like a tour and tell them all about it and stuff like that. When we're in Fairbanks, we do it here at a couple different places. And then in the summertime, my wife and I go down to Juneau and then we which we're leaving at a couple different places. And then in the summertime, my wife and I go down to Juneau, which we're leaving in a couple weeks here. We fly all our dogs up onto the glacier, and then people fly onto the glacier,

and we take them around on a tour there. Wow, that's awesome. Okay, so for me, it was really easy because I loved it. I loved it. Now, what I loved the most was the people, and I think this is the most important thing for coaches and trainers to understand. Like, loving fitness is important,

but loving people is even more important. Because you can like fitness, but you're dealing with different personalities on a regular basis. And if you don't truly just enjoy people and different people and different opinions and different types of energy, and you don't go home enjoy people and different people and different opinions and different types of energy And you don't go home with the energy, you know on top of you

I mean because you're gonna deal with people who are anxious and sad and happy and they do what you want They don't do what you want. They're gonna complain to you and you know, I went home every day feeling Fulfilled just because I like being around people and I like Working with people so that that is one of the most important things I try to communicate with coaches and trainers. Like fitness is a no-brainer. I think everybody that wants to be a coach and a trainer knows that they like fitness,

but really it's about enjoying working with people is the most important thing. I think we get this all wrong. I think what we were, the same way that I think Disney fooled a whole generation of people of thinking what love is in a relationship is the same thing that we were doing in the last decade or two of fooling all these kids into thinking that they're going to find a job they're so passionate about. And just like the Disney thing, like love is a choice, bro. You choose to

love your wife. It's and you've made that choice actively. Now you've probably done a good job of filtering out ones that aren't good and found someone that matches that, but every day of your life with her going forward, you will make the choice to love her and put that effort forth. Now hopefully you did a good job of picking someone that aligns with you and grows with you and all these other things, and so that'll make that journey very enjoyable. But it doesn't mean it's going to be not have hard days, not days where you wish you didn't get married and some of that, that's going to happen. Same thing goes with work, is I think you choose to love it. Now, hopefully you've got enough practice and try different things to hone in on the stuff that gives you enjoyment

while you do it. And so then you can therefore then be passionate for this thing you do. But you choose that, you choose to be that way. I was a cow milker and loved doing it. I realized I didn't want to do that for the rest of my life. But while I was doing it, I was passionate about it. I wanted to be the best one. I wanted to produce the best milk when the guy came and picked it up and graded it. I wanted to get it done faster than any of my peers that were doing it. And when I'd get there, I'd find ways to love what I was doing. But, but over the years I realized, well, there's not a big career in this. I'm probably not going to make a lot of money. Those are things that are important to me.

Let's keep moving on. And I just kept moving on until I started to hone in and the personal training thing I really loved and I realized, well, I can make the kind of money I was wanting to make doing something that came natural to me, talking to people and being around them. But it doesn't mean I hadn't had many, many days where I'm just like, fuck, this is a grind. Fuck, I don't want to do this or see this part.

There's a lot of that. But I chose to love that path. I chose to love that career and pour myself into it. So I do think there's a lot of messaging around millennials around searching for this job that's just going to jump out's going to jump out, you know, on a white horse and be like, this is it, bro. And you're like, and so you have this generation of young guys and girls that are waiting for that.

And it's like, man, no, you choose, you choose to do that. And I hope you choose wisely that the thing that you do, you seem to enjoy it. And to me, that's a great sign. It's like, this is awesome. You found something that makes money for you and you actually love getting up to do it, lean into that.

But does it mean there's not gonna be days where you're like, ah, man, I don't wanna do this today. That's gonna happen, bro. Very well said. I totally was gonna go in that same direction. But it's really just, it's a compilation of I tried this, I'm maxing this out, I'm putting my best foot forward every single day and I'm seeing

you know where I can grow and every opportunity I've had it's like where can I grow? How can I stretch this out and maximize my potential whatever this is in front of me and what's great about that is then something else just presents itself naturally to you and in either it's you just keep flourishing and you keep going in that direction that you found yourself in, or now it's a new opportunity that now you decide like, am I going to pursue this now? Have I capped out my potential in this job? And now I'm going to try a new career and figure this out. And for me, it was just that, um, now I'm, I'm doing personal training. And now if I do this in

this setting, how can I maximize my potential for growth here? And then that just naturally kind of progressed to a different opportunity. And what's weird about it is like all these other passions that you have and you're probably thinking about right now. When you do that, they somehow find their way back to you. And it's like weird, it's like, oh wow, now I can do this within the setting of the job that I'm doing and I never thought I'd be doing this in combination with this opportunity. So I do think that it's very much of a mindset more

than anything. You know, it's a rewarding, it is a rewarding career because you are actually helping people. You know some jobs you're doing something and at the end of the day you're like am I really helping anybody? Am I really making a difference? But I think with coaching and training you are because you're helping people become more healthy which is gonna drive, which is for me was very rewarding. It was always very rewarding knowing that I was doing something good or something that I felt was good, helping people too, it's awesome.

Yeah, that makes total sense and there's a couple things you said that definitely made me think a little bit, but the helping people, I think as a Marine, I started out at 18, kind of on a high note, where it's like you have this purpose and stuff and you really know what it is and you drive into that and it makes a lot of sense. And then you leave that and then it's like, Oh, there's no way like that was the high point. And so you spend a lot of time like exploring other things to try and find that. And then

I finally, you know, I say finally, like it was like super long, you know, I like someone 27 so it wasn't a really long time, but I finally found this thing that I really enjoy and it kind of gives me that same, you know of you know, like you talked about purpose and stuff and it's funny Justin you mentioned like things just kind of find a place when I asked this I don't know. I think it was a month or two ago. It might have been a couple months when I emailed in Um, I was really trying to figure out because I wasn't like enjoying What I was doing as a mushroom, but I was trying to figure out like, am I, am I just not enjoying right now? Or is it like, do I love 75% and like not enjoy 25% of it? Which I've come to figure out that that seems to be obviously like pretty normal. Like if you love what you do, maybe you just love

75, 80% of it and there is going to be 20% of it. And then you just said something about, like you said that things kind of just present themselves. Yesterday. Um, someone emailed me about, I said, I kind of want to be an astronaut and I have this degree in nutrition and NASA works with Cornell, um, researching sled dogs to work with astronauts and nutrition, email me the other day. Oh my God. That's so cool. That, that fuel that feeds astronauts and stuff. And we're talking after this, but, um, I thought it was pretty interesting that you you brought that up so as a kind of this opportunity but I have one more

kind of how would you communicate this to your kids so like how would you tell your kids like you know this is you're not always gonna love it um like your kids right now at the ages they are like you're not always gonna love it you're not gonna love every part of it um but this is how you know what you love to do. Like how would you communicate that to your kids? I want my son to be great and passionate about anything that he does. And the thing that he's meant to do to Justin's point will reveal itself. So if you commit son to do this, I want you to be the best at it and work at it as hard as you possibly, not the best person, the best version of you. So I want you to give everything you got towards that thing.

And this is how your dad has been rewarded in his career path is when I was a cow milker, I wanted to be the best one I could possibly be at 16 years old. Guess what happened is I met a guy who saw that trait in me, asked me what I saw myself doing down the road. I said, you know, I wanna get into personal training one day, allowed me to train a son before I was even certified. That then allowed me to get a

membership at a 24 hour fitness that then found out that I was, it's like being passionate and working hard towards whatever thing you're currently doing will open the doors for something that maybe you will do for the rest of your life. But you don't approach today knowing that you approach today saying, am I giving my best? Am I doing the best at this thing that I'm doing? Even if I don't approach today knowing that. You approach today saying, am I giving my best? Am I doing the best at this thing that I'm doing even if I don't think it's going to be the thing I'm going to do for the rest of my life? Because it's representing my character. Others are going to watch the way I work. Others are going to watch the way I approach life. And I want to present myself in this way that is like you're getting all of me. And I think that that way of approaching

life and other aspects, not just business, will always reward you. I think if you love the process, you love hard work, you love the discipline, you love that you can apply yourself, you love that you're doing things that you feel there's value in, or at least you find value in the things that you do,

you're gonna do well no matter what. I mean, Adam said character. Like, good character is good character. Doesn't matter if you're flipping burgers, or you're building computers or whatever. It's really about that. And then the job you do is you're gonna do well at it, because you got good character.

That's the most important thing. They find this in the data, by the way, that when children have good character, it really doesn't matter what they do. They'll do okay. How you do anything is how you do everything. So I love that quote. That's so true.

If you half-ass making your bed, you're probably gonna half-ass the job you do. If you half-ass the job you're gonna do, you're probably gonna half-ass your marriage. You got a whole ass at it. That's right. You gotta do all of it. You got a whole ass at it all day.

And so, and that's how I would teach my son, is like, we don't half ass anything. Like you do, whatever you do, you do the best to your ability. Doesn't matter if that's makes you great at it or not. It's like, that's how you approach life. Otherwise that's how it's going to bleed into every other aspect of your life. So how you do anything is how you do everything.

Mm-hmm. No, I appreciate that. And I did also want to say that the reason I asked this is when I had first started listening, I didn't want to to be a dad like I had no desire to be a dad But over the years listening to you guys talk about being dads and raising your kids and stuff like now I'm really excited to be a dad and I've thought more and more about that over the recent years and like I want to make Sure, you know I'm at least living the way that I want my kid to live and see up to you

So I appreciate you guys always talking about that Even if I don't think anyone really ever tells you that, but it's super impactful and it usually has nothing to do with fitness. But just the way you guys talk about being dads and how exciting it is to be dads, like now I'm really excited about it. We're trying to do it, right?

Which is one of the reasons that we decided to stay up here and we just moved into a house. We're like, we think raising kids in Alaska with the life that we do is really beneficial to them, but everything that I've been doing has kind of been geared toward making sure that I raise a kid the right way. So I appreciate that. That's awesome, James. That's awesome. Thank you for saying that.

Just so you know, even if you'll never find the perfect or the best words to give them for this type of stuff we're talking about, the most powerful thing you can do is to model it, is to do it. He'll see or she will see the way you live your life, the way you approach everything that you do. And if he sees that in his dad, that, oh shit, my dad, when he does it, he does it. You know, like that'll bleed into them more than the best lecture with the best words set a certain way. So lean into that more than anything else. Awesome. Well, thank you guys. I appreciate it. You guys have a good one. words said a certain way, so lean into that more than anything else. Awesome, well thank you guys, I appreciate it. You guys have a good one.

All right, James, you got it. You got it. Well, that's nice. Yeah. It's good to hear. I like these questions today. Well, it's good to hear because there's a, for a long time there was a generation of people

that didn't want kids. Yeah. Like it was this terrible thing. Right. And it's just horrible, it's horrible that people believe that. It's hard, but it's not terrible Like it was this terrible thing. And it's just horrible. It's horrible that people believe that. It's hard, but it's not terrible. It's amazing.

So it's really, really good to hear that. By the way, he wrote in his question that his wife and him, like they're not just mushers. They're badasses. They do the itinerad. Both of them. Yeah, dude. And how crazy is that he got contacted by NASA.

How many people do nutrition who also are good enough mushers? I firmly believe the skills you acquire and what you work on like it later on it's it's gonna matter in some weird way. What you said is so great that's exactly how you go about this is like you you choose to be passionate about the thing you do so be passionate about it and be great and don't worry the thing will find you. It you. Every step, every thing I've done came to me, but it came to me because the way I approached

the thing that I was doing. It didn't come to you because you were just sitting there. That's right. I didn't get, and I could go through every single job or thing I did, it was an opportunity that came to me, but it came to me because the way I was doing the thing, the way I was doing the current thing that I probably hated or didn't like doing that much, maybe 80% of it I current thing that I probably hated or didn't like doing that much.

Maybe 80% of it I didn't like, but yet I didn't approach it that way. I approached it passionately and wanted to be great at it. And then that attracted, and then to Justin's point, those skills, when I look back now today, all those skills, doing all those different things has now served me in this thing, 100%. Yep, yep, cow milking too.

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