Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2586: Five Diets Everyone Should Try

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

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Includes your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you when it comes to diets There are definitely better ways to eat and other ways to eat that are not so good. What we're going to talk about today are five diets that everybody should try at least once. Now forget fat loss, muscle gain and all that. There are some pretty incredible and sometimes weird benefits from trying some of these diets. Let's go. I used to do this.

Yes. You know what's funny, when I met you, and you said I would do the same thing. Oh yeah? Yeah, because I saw a similar value. You used to copy me. I didn't know you before. You were copying me before you even knew me.

Yeah, you know what led to this, and not to give away what you're probably gonna talk about or anything, but what led to it was, I obviously trained so many people that have done every diet, right? I don't think there's ever been a client I've trained that didn't try a diet, you know, that's how I heard of so many random diets is because there's a lot of random stuff other people have tried. And of course, there's like the core five or six that you hear all the time that are really common. And, you

know, and when you get somebody who is down a diet like that, and they really see a shift in their health, or really get in great shape, it just radically changes their life, and then they become married to the diet. But many times- Evangelists, whatever you say. Yeah, what would happen is, I would know them what they were eating before,

and then what they went to, and would try and explain to the client, oh, it's probably because you got it. And by that time, they're already drinking Kool-Aid, so there's no way I can convince them. So I thought, how the hell am I going to get ahead of this? Because clients who come do this diet, they have the change, then I get them, and then they're like, they're so, so what I started doing was like, you know what, I'm going to take clients through these diets and then tell them ahead of time.

Forecast. Yes, forecast to them what, what to anticipate and to let them know that if you do start to feel these things, it's probably because we eliminated this thing. You're deficient in something. That's right. So here's the problem with quote unquote diets or the word diet or just the way it's used is all diets, all popular diets or 99.9% of the reason why anybody tries a new diet is for one purpose only and that is to lose weight or change the way they look.

It's not for any other reason. Now, I want to say something that's true but I want to be very clear with it. The side effect of a healthy diet is a leaner, more fit body. It's not the primary effect. A lot of people think that's the primary effect. That's not the case. A healthy diet will result in a body that looks healthy. And if you understand this and you move in that direction, your odds of long-term success are much higher.

What do I mean by that? There's a lot of different ways to lose weight. I can show you 50 different diets that'll all cause you to lose weight because they're all calorie deficit. Which one's gonna work best for you? The one that makes you feel healthiest. And it depends on the individual

and what they're looking for. And the one that you can consistently do too That's I'd add that there because yes, there's some diets. I mean, I'll be honest. There's certain diets I feel really good doing it was just a guy that's so unrealistic for me to live that way forever so finding that balance of what makes me feel the best the healthiest and Simultaneously, can I realistically see myself living this way for the rest of my life? That to me is what makes a really good diet. Is diet always technically a calorie deficit?

Or what else would you call it? Would that be the definition? Well, diet just represents the food you eat. Because if you have a modality you're following. What does Webster say? Give me the definition. Yeah, so going on a diet typically means you're trying to lose weight,

but diet just represents what you eat. So you can have a diet that makes you gain weight too. But diet is just what you eat. So I'm gonna start with the first one, and I'm gonna talk about its value, and I'm gonna talk about what it's not good for. So I'm gonna start with fasting. Fasting is a profoundly beneficial way

to practice detachment from food, or detachment from poor relationships with food, or to give you an opportunity to examine your relationships with food. If you live in a modern society, number one, you've probably never really felt hungry. You've had cravings, but you've probably never really felt hungry.

So you don't know what that feels like. You confuse cravings with hunger, which is a terrible confusion. You don't want to confuse the two. Number two, we eat so regularly, and we eat primarily for enjoyment, for palatability, that our relationship with food is based off that. It's based off of, it's time to eat,

and it's based off of what do you feel like eating? I don't know, I feel like eating this, or I feel like eating that. Which one's the most palatable? Fasting from food allows you to separate from this attachment, examine the relationship, and then move forward with a different perspective. This is why fasting, one of the reasons why fasting

is practiced in almost every religion, is because it allows you to break free from this thing that you're attached to. You have that bird's eye view. That's right. You wouldn't be able to see otherwise. I really do find the value in that is like just stepping outside of those social intetherments.

Like you literally structure your day around these moments where it's like I gotta get food and I'm gonna have this interaction with my family, my friends or whatever. And there's all these associations involved with it, so if you remove that, it's interesting to look at it that way. I'm gonna point something out.

You know what's funny about that? One of the first things I noticed with fasting, and by the way, there are people who shouldn't practice fasting, we'll get to that too. I was just gonna ask you if you were gonna talk about that. We'll get there. But one of the first things that I identified with fasting was, how many times have you heard someone say this?

If I don't eat, I get hangry. I get irritated or irritable if I skip a meal. I thought that was me. For years and years and years, I ate five to six meals a day, because I was always trying to build muscle, I was always trying to gain weight, and if I missed my meal, I would get irritable. And I thought it was, oh, it must be my blood sugar,

must be hunger. No, no, no, it was because I expected to eat and I wasn't eating when I expected to eat because when I fasted on purpose. Psychological condition for that. I had none of that. When I knew I was gonna fast, when I went 24 hours or 48 hours without food, I didn't anticipate

I was supposed to eat and I didn't have any of those hangry symptoms and I realized, oh, I get irritable not because I'm not eating but because I'm supposed to eat and I'm not eating when I'm supposed to. That's what's causing that irritability. That's so true. I've told you before that Katrina recognizes this behavior that I have, like before we go to busy places

or a thing that's not gonna go my way, and she's like, so long as I forecast it for you and tell you it's gonna be long, you're not gonna like it, or there's gonna be lines, they'll probably be, it tells me all the things. I'm totally easy to be there. But all that stuff happens. Your expectation is different. Yeah, and the same thing goes with the eating. I just had a day the other day where I was all upset, but it was only because I thought we were eating at noon and I thought when

the food was getting prepped, I was gonna be able to eat some of it. Like no, no, no, I found out right the moment before that I had already been waiting like four hours to get a hold of that food and she's like, no, no, I found out the moment before that I had already been waiting like four hours to get a hold of that food. And she's like, no, no, this is for the party. You can't have this. And I'm like, I was so angry. So angry. And it wasn't because I was so hungry.

It was just that I anticipated that when that was done, I was gonna get to eat it. Not that I had to stare at it for the next four hours before everybody got there. And so I got really pissed. And it's like, how funny is that, that it's less to do with this physiological thing that's going on with your body and nutrients or blood sugar it has more to do with your expectations and you're not expecting that and so

that is more often than not the quote-unquote hangry symptoms that people talk about. The people that I see them that benefit the most from fasting are the the forever bulking I need to eat every few hours individuals competitors oh man I went with that I started fasting 24 hours and muscle didn't just fall off my body like I thought it would and it was like it was revelating it was like oh my god I've been force-feeding myself every three hours I don't have to right this is wild and it really did change my perspective I I moved away from teaching fasting to the everyday kind of client because rarely

did I find it that beneficial for them unless I had somebody who had a severe like attachment where they felt like I just can't control this I'm always craving this or so hungry all time it's like okay let's see what happens when we go on a day or two day fast, when you know that's coming and they would be fine. The people I found the most benefit with teaching fasting were my competitors. The bikini competitor, the bodybuilder guy who ate six meals a day on two hours, never missed everything, they weighed, tracked everything,

and they have been consistent and religious about it for years. That person interrupting their like consistency around there and showing them that it's totally okay. You could go a day or two and not eat and you're going to be just fine. You're not going to lose the muscle. You're not going to get weaker. You're going to be okay. And that was probably the client I found fasting the most beneficial for. Now who should not fast? Well, if you've struggled with an eating disorder in the past, do not fast. Yeah. It's a terrible, oh, that's a terrible idea. So if you've struggled with bulimia, anorexia, or you overly restrict all the time, I don't think fasting.

Which, by the way, the people that tend to gravitate to it is that because it comes natural. That's right. They already were the type of person, so this is why this is so bad, is this was a client who has yo-yo diet their whole life. Their way of losing weight was they went from eating poorly to now they just had two salads a day. They skipped meals. Yeah, they just would restrict hard, eat celery, snack on it all day long, and that was like

their way of losing weight. They'd lose their 20 pounds then they fall the wagon come back and then that person hears oh intermittent fasting I hear that's a thing, gravitates towards that and they like it because it falls right fall back in their old behaviors dangerous person to teach that to and not ideal for the client yet those clients are the most attracted to that diet. That's right next up is the ketogenic diet so ketogenic diet is high fat, very, very low to zero carbohydrates, less than 50 grams of carbohydrates a day,

and about moderate protein is what this diet is. Now what is this good for? Many people will notice sharpness of mind. They'll get a cognitive boost, stability with their energy throughout the day, and a dramatic reduction in inflammation. This isn't true for everybody, but most people on this kind of a diet after day three or four start to notice just joint pain is gone, their body's gotten rid of a lot of water because that's what happens when you cut out your carbohydrates,

and they have this kind of mental sharpness. and this is a great thing to recognize in yourself if this works for you because what you can do with this diet which is what I do with this diet is I use this like a tool. This is like a weapon that I have in my arsenal. If I know I'm going to fly to LA and do three podcasts in a row, I'm going into that ketogenic because I want sharpness of mine and so I use this whenever I need that kind of Performance and it's great to experience. That's why I think everybody should try this once It's worth it just to see and feel how your brain responds on ketones And I just feel like the majority of the population has never got to this level where they got in a ketogenic state Like they're just constantly, you know fed and so to

Kind of go through that process again and still be able to eat and I think the ketogenic diet is an interesting one I I've had a lot of success with clients to that are Snackers and or eat a lot of like processed carbohydrates because and they have a lot of cravings This was even me like this made a big difference. I don't know if you remember, but back when the podcast first started, the ninth take. This was like their first year.

Yeah, this was like one of the first years in the podcast. We were at the very first studio, and I was peak bodybuilding. I'm at 600 grams of carbs a day. And my kind of argument to like, I would never do the ketogenic diet. That would be ridiculous. I get to at 600 grams of carbs a day. And my kind of argument to like, I would never do the ketogenic diet, that would be ridiculous.

I get to eat 600 grams of carbs, I still have abs, I get to incorporate these sugars and sweets and all this stuff that I love. But I also, when I'm eating that way, I have a pull towards those things. And I thought, you know what, that's the exact reason why I should do this diet. I'm gonna do it just to see what happens.

Well, the biggest thing that I noticed from that was it just eliminated the cravings that I had for sweets because I was allowing a lot of those processed sugars into the diet because you can't have that on that diet. All of a sudden I'm like, oh wow, I don't even have a desire for it. So clients that I find- It's the ultimate low sugar diet.

Yes, clients that tend to snack or claim they have a lot of cravings and they battle that, you put that client on a high fat, moderate protein diet and watch how quickly that tamps that down. So that's a very beneficial tool, but again, this is a tool to give you insight on this, not like, oh, this is the diet

you're supposed to follow for the rest of your life. It's, hey, this is because you've cut out to fall over the rest of your life, it's, hey, this is because you've cut out all those processed sugars, now you're not bad with that, now you know that, now you can start to learn how to set yourself up for more success. Yeah, now the cases where people will stick to ketogenic diet typically are people who feel a lot

of brain fog and haven't identified what's going on, and the brain running on ketones tends to feel, especially with these individuals, much sharper. and so then they'll find like, okay, this is how I need to eat most of the time. By the way, performance-wise, you know, going super low carb isn't the greatest for performance, but it does work well for low to moderate intensity type endurance.

I remember going ketogenic and then kayaking across Lake Tahoe, and we were not like sprinting, we were just going, and I had just this long lasting energy the entire time. It's unique energy for sure You'll find people too with a crippling autoimmune stuff do really well on this too. Like you have a crippling autoimmune I mean like our friend Peterson's daughter, okay, Michaela You know someone like that. This is like life-changing for well next would be an even better example for autoimmune type issues, which is the carnivora diet, which essentially is the elimination diet. This is not a long-term

diet except for very very rare instances, but eating just red meat is essentially the ultimate elimination diet. You've eliminated everything that could potentially be something that you reactive to. Red meat has a very low reactivity for people. It's nutrient dense. You assimilate it the best. So you won't die just eating red meat. You won't have a nutrient deficiency. And in many cases people with autoimmune issues or inflammatory issues who can't figure out what the hell is going on, gut health issues, they go carnivore and they see them resolve. Now that doesn't mean you just stay on carnivore like I said in very rare cases would you need to stay

carnivore but rather because you've done this elimination diet what you do is you get out of the carnivore diet by slowly reintroducing foods and then identifying oh it's that food and this food that are bothering me. One, two like it prioritizes you know the meat is the most important thing to really include in the diet. And I think that people a lot of times that are low protein and then they go carnivore. It's like this huge like life-changing thing. Yeah, it's like maintain that, you know, in terms of prioritizing that, but, you know,

bring back your diet. But it is a great elimination diet instead of just going down to completely nothing. It's the best elimination diet to figure that out. It couldn't get any simpler for people. Now the downfall is we tend to gravitate to things that are simple like that, right? So there's a lot, it's become so popular, right? It's way more popular than it should be right now.

Oh gosh, it should not be popular. Yeah, it should be one of those things that... Extreme case. Yes, extreme cases or a good thing for a person to go through for a short period of time to try and figure out what the culprit is. But long term, this is why I brought up the, cause you might feel amazing on it,

but you also have to be very realistic with yourself, like, okay, am I really going to be able to eat like this the rest of my life or all? Steak three times a day. Yeah, forever. It's rough. Not very realistic, unless it was something that you had to, like Michaela, where it's life changing

for her and she has no other options. She had severe autoimmune disease. Yeah, and then that makes sense, but talking about the general population, yeah, not ideal, but still a great way to find out, okay, what is bothering me? And also potentially, what are the benefits of eating a lot of protein? What does that do for me? And I think that's the key takeaway from this is like, oh, wow, I must have been eating something that was offending me and

or oh, wow, when I bump my protein, I get all these benefits. Next up is the reverse diet, otherwise known as a bulk. Now, a reverse diet is where you slowly try to increase your calories. This is not a dramatic dirty bulk. This is not you just stuffing your face with a bunch of garbage. It's a whole food based diet,

and what you do is you find out where your calories are, averaging, and then you slowly increase your calories over time in particular or specifically with strength training. And the goal is to build strength and boost your metabolic rate. And the people that respond best to this are people who chronically diet.

Like you take the typical, like the avatar would be like the young lady who diets all the time, afraid to eat more than 1500 calories. I reverse diet her and I change her life completely. Not only does she build muscle, boost her metabolism, she actually gets leaner as a result. Who doesn't respond well to reverse diet her and I change her life completely. Not only should build muscle booster metabolism She actually gets leaner as a result who doesn't respond well reverse diet the perma bulk people You know if you got teenage me and you told me to reverse diet be like I mean I do that already The person has to say the person who's already in a permanent reverse

The other person that's really great is like somebody who We've all trained someone like this who's who's lost a significant amount of weight, right? They've lost 50, 100 pounds by dieting over a long period of time. They've got at their goal weight and they're deathly afraid to add calories back from the diet. They've been at 1,500 calories, they're at their goal weight and they at all costs do not want to go back the other direction because they do not want to go back to the other direction because they were they don't Want to go back all the way to the old weight they had but they're at a place now Metabolically where they have slowed their metabolism down so much that the reverse diet can be absolutely life-changing for this person and it's just a Hand-holding process to get them through that of slowly introducing calories back but can be absolutely life-changing for that client

Totally last up is plant-based. So plant-based would be mostly plants, stick to whole natural foods. There's a tendency with people who go plant-based, they go processed foods. There's a ton of processed foods that are plant-based, potato chips for example, are plant-based. But try to go whole natural food, plant-based.

And what you're gonna see here is a dramatic, typically increase in fiber and in changes to digestion. This also can help with microbiome diversity in many cases. And again, this isn't a permanent diet for most people, but it is a good way to get some insight, to see how you feel when I dramatically increase my intake of plants. Like, what's going on here?

I mean, this reminds me of when we had Dr. Terry walls, that's right protocol and Yeah, she did her protocol which was like six large servings of vegetables a day and she that's how she cured her ms Yeah, and I remember going like man I don't know if I've ever even attempted to really introduce that much and I remember how good I felt from that and really again It wasn't like oh, I need to be vegan because of this. It was like, okay, I need to include more fiber, more vegetables into the diet on a regular basis. And that was the big takeaway.

So I would take clients through all these diets you're talking about. This is the way I'm communicating of like, this is what we're looking for from it. Pay attention to these things as you go through it. Give me the feedback and then that'll be the takeaway from it. Maybe we do it and you don't really notice anything. Oh the feedback and then that'll be the takeaway from it. Maybe we do it and you don't really notice anything, oh cool, then you're probably fine

on those things. But maybe you notice something that is like, wow, this really felt better, wow, I feel so much better or this is easier. It's like, okay, there's the insight. I think this is the biggest problem with all these diets is I think they all hold value. They all can teach somebody something about their body. And instead of us looking at it so religiously, where it's all or nothing, it's that diet or nothing else, it's like learn to go into these, take what you learn about how it makes you feel, and then apply and start to formulate your own type of a

diet. So you can call audibles. I mean mean that's the whole thing is having flexibility going forward. It's like, you know, you can stick with a plan that's been working but your body changes and you need different nutrients and you need to change it up. And so to be able to know how your body's responding

in all these different methods, I think it's really helpful. Look, here's the bottom line with all this. Like if you, first off, you're gonna be eating food for the rest of your life, okay? And hopefully you'll be pursuing, yeah. Hopefully you'll be pursuing or valuing or prioritizing your health, right?

Hopefully your health will be something that you prioritize for the rest of your life, and it's something that you wanna integrate into your life. Okay, so if that's you, then really what you're looking at is a process of self exploration. You're looking at learning about yourself, learning about how food makes you feel both physically and psychologically, and then from there you are well equipped. You are a black belt in how to feed yourself regardless of how your life changes. What do I mean by that? Well, let's say you try all of these. black belt and how to feed yourself regardless of how your life changes. What

do I mean by that? Well let's say you try all of these. Let's say you try all these over the course of a year and you don't do them to see which one makes you lose the most weight or whatever. You just pay attention to things. You pay attention how you feel cognitively, physically, how does it affect my performance, how does it affect my digestion, how does it affect my mood, my satiety. You learn these things about yourself. Well, you know what happens now. Now you move through life and then you're like, oh my god I got that that meeting that I need to conduct in a week and you know what when I eat this way

I have the most sharpness of mine. So I'm gonna lead into that with this or my digestion is a little off. You know when I experimented with eating this way I noticed it really did make an impact on my digestion or I'm starting to have these interesting flare-ups of skin issues maybe a little eczema that's autoimmune and I noticed when I ate this way my skin or my body seemed to react in a positive way. Now you have a Swiss Army knife of tools that you can use to manipulate your diet through the rest of your life and also learn for parents how to feed your children because you have insight on how these diets can affect the people around

you. And it makes it so that you can live the rest of your life in a healthy way, in a realistic way. Because here's another news flash, you may find the perfect diet for you, but your life changes, which may make that diet no longer a great diet for you. So the context of your life really greatly influences what kind of diet is gonna work best for you. And it's such a good point, I think about how I shared

when I was bodybuilding, one of the things that was, remember part of why I got off the ketogenic diet was because I couldn't eat enough to keep the muscle mass. Yeah, it kills your appetite. It killed my appetite so much. And so for most people, obviously, having these cravings for food and all the carbohydrates is not a good idea.

For the guy who's trying to keep himself 30 pounds heavier than what he probably should be was very advantageous at the time. And so it makes sense that there's gonna be periods of your life where a type of diet is gonna be more advantageous than other times and learning how to weave in and out of these and knowing what is beneficial of each of them for you

that allows you to try to modify this on a either day to day basis or even like formulate a little bit of incorporating the benefits of all of them into one. I mean that's where it's at. Since we're talking about food and cooking, I just read a study that was, we knew this already, but the study now got specific, and it is alarming.

So first off, before I get into the study, if you have any non-stick cookware, throw it away. Just throw it away. Here's what the study showed. Ready for this? A single scratch. Now, everybody has had, in the past, non-stick pans, or you've seen them.

And if you have it for longer than a week, if you look at it, you can see there's little divots and scratches on it. It's never like perfect. It stays perfect for like a week and then that's it. One single scratch on a nonstick pan releases 9,000 toxic microplastic particles. Oh my God.

What? One single scratch. Is that more than like a pack of cigarettes? I mean, I don't know if that's, I don't know if it's that big. Yeah, we're gonna associate this. I feel like it's, I might as well smoke. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking right now. How crazy, that's a lot.

A lot. A broken coating, which if you have one for like a couple months, probably has a broken coating, will release about two million. What? Yeah, so remember those studies we were reading where they're finding microplastics in these chemicals in people's brains, higher concentrations

in people with Alzheimer's, dementia. It's not easy to get rid of it. They're finding it in breast milk. They're finding it all over the place. Well, isn't that what Max was saying, what, the receipts and the non-stick pens? Are they the two greatest offenders? Yes.

Is that right? And then like facial products for women and stuff like that, you know, what's crazy what I just this just came to me right now Do you know who uses nonstick pans the most? like restaurants Restaurants. Mm-hmm. I bet if you eat out a lot you are exposed to a lot. Is that true? Why I mean why it was easy to clean is yeah, they clean them Real fast. Absolutely. I mean why? Because they're easy to clean. Yeah, they clean them. That's the thought? Real fast, absolutely. I mean the truth is non-stick pans are easy to use.

You just wipe them down, they're done. And I eat a lot. I thought chefs always liked the kind of the grime and the grub all still on there. That's what was like, iron skillets are so great because the end barbecues are so good because they're gonna keep some of the, all the flavor. I mean I guess if you're going to really nice restaurants.

Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, if you're going to more of a higher class place, that's not typical. Yeah, because I've been in kitchens of restaurants. That would be interesting. While some restaurants may utilize nonstick pans for specific dishes like eggs or delicate fish, they're not generally the primary. See, come on.

Oh, hey, hold on, eggs and fish, though, okay, that's good to know. Yeah, I was gonna say, I would think most cooks, right, Doug? Like, they like that. They want to. In fact, when I had my buddy, who's like a chef, I was actually surprised by how grimy and stuff like that.

I remember one time he was like, you don't clean that with soap. You just wipe that off. They call it the seasoning. Yeah, seasoning. That makes me feel better because I get out a lot. I was with you. I'm like, oh, no. I was with you. I'm like, Oh no, I was like, Danny's and like diners and they for sure. Like shit hole places.

I mean, we're talking about where it's not a real chef. It was like some kid fresh out of high school who's back there cooking your breakfast. If you're eating a lot of your meals at Danny's, you're probably worried about that. Probably. That's the last thing I was gonna say. I say most restaurants I The Dills and Denny's are probably worried about my problem. Yeah, they're probably getting a lot of other stuff that I've got no idea about. That's the last thing on your mind. I was going to say, most restaurants I would think are a little more privy to that stuff, so that's good to know. But get rid of them.

I'm like, I eat out a lot, bro, that's making me feel a little bad right now. But if you have them, just throw them away, guys. That's terrible to cook with. Absolutely terrible to cook with. Alright, I've got another interesting story. More fear. Do you guys remember, sorry Justin. Sorry. Appreciate it.

Do you remember when I talked about in the past about the benefits of blood donation, especially for men? Yeah, yeah. Dude, they tied another benefit to giving blood, especially for men, and here's what it says. Men who give blood, let me move through this because I saved a picture of it. People who give blood, it's linked to reduced cancer risk,

especially blood cancer. So it's a good idea to give blood regularly. So they find that it gets rid of mutated cells, it reduces the chances you're gonna get blood cancers, and it's for men that donate on a relatively regular basis. So just another benefit to giving blood. How quickly does your body replenish that? Very quickly.

Is it like really? Oh yeah, so if you give blood within, I think a week or two, you can do it again. Or if I'm not mistaken. And is it blood sugar, what causes somebody to be like kind of lightheaded from it? Like the one reason why I don't like giving blood is it's like I feel right afterwards. I've been this close to fainting multiple times. I think it's I think it's just cuz you're weak

No, just kidding maybe do you get dizzy watch them do it No, I think that's why. I mean, so you shouldn't, you might get a little lightheaded afterwards, you definitely shouldn't drink alcohol. I mean, I'm getting lightheaded just thinking about it right now. Really?

Yeah, yeah. You're like that. It's kind of your little psychological. Wow, so psychological. You know, I didn't give blood, but I did. And I hate it because we have to do it all the time. So it drives me crazy. Wow, it doesn't bother me at all.

That's my, you know, my biggest resistance to trans, trans-ins always like, hey, it's time for your blood work again. I fucking push it out as long as you just look away when oh yeah, I have to. Yeah. Have you ever passed out? I even try and start conversation where I'm like, oh yeah, so I like the place. Totally. I'm like, I play all kinds of mind games with myself because we got to do it so often and I've never been good at it. And so that's the you know, that's funny about all that like Courtney actually almost passed out when she was Watching me get an IV started her she's a nurse and she does like IVs She's like a master that's so random IVs

But for some reason because it was me and she saw blood and they missed, you know the vein and she was just By the way, you know, so this is better for men than it is a better 24 to 48 hours Yeah, no, that's for plasma. Oh red blood cells for eight weeks. Oh, that's not fast Yeah, it is. Well when you said fast I thought you meant like an hour. That's what I meant. Oh, no Four to eight weeks is fast. Yeah, bro. You know how much blood they take. I know that's why I was asking I was like take all that blood I'm like, how long does it take me to get that back? Is that why I feel so shitty? No, wait, and you're like no fast and I'm like second 48 weeks

You're not donating blood. You're just getting blood tests. Yeah. Well, that's well, I mean you're not lightheaded from that bro, but yes I give I think that's why I don't like it I know how much you have to give you give you give way more than if you get a lot more Yeah, way more and that's why that trips me out up the blood that they take for blood tests is not affecting You it's not affecting you physiologically. It's psychological you think so. I know it is They're like they're like six little vials like these are fine. That's a lot of my blood That was all in my body and it's taken out and there's nothing else that could happen that would take that much blood at once I've never had an injury that took that much blood your wife has a period every week that just is tripled

Why did you have to go there? That has nothing to do with sex. Not every week though. We've already established women are tougher in areas. That's an area that they're definitely tougher. So when you give blood, I mean they feel like bat, like a big old bat. Have you guys done that?

No. Yeah bro. I know how much just given this is, like that would be, for sure I'm out. I'm done. No, I don't mind, I do it. No, so when you give blood, how much blood do they take when you give blood? Like a pint, I don't mind, I do it. So, when you give blood, how much blood do they take when you give blood?

Like a pint. I don't know how much it is. It is like a pint. So they try to get me to go every month because I have type O. Apparently mine's the one that everybody can use, so it's real valuable. So they hammer the hell out of me to go.

But I try and go once a year. They still get it for me, even with all the STDs and everything that you have? Yeah, geez. I have one pint. Do they have a filtration system? They take a whole pint. Yeah, it's a whole pint. I told you that.

Two cups. Just imagine right now at the table a pint of your... Oh my God, it's camera. I was just thinking about it. It cracks me up. They get so excited too when I come in because of all my veins too. They're like, oh yeah, this is going to be so good. I'm like, no, it's not.

This is not going to be good at all. You never. You got the big veins. And it does. It depends on like the definitely different nurses. Like if they, if they make the process fast and smooth and, but boy, if they, if they fumble around, it's a rough day for me. You got to have some skill for some people, but you were easy because-

You shouldn't have, it shouldn't take much skill from me. I haven't ever seen that video. It was actually, I was cracking up because like I've even figured this out. So like there was a bodybuilder and there was these doctors and they were like trying to put a needle through a balloon. And so the doctors kept popping it, popping it, popping it, the bodybuilder got it right in. Bodybuilder?

Bodybuilder. All the steroids he's been doing. Yes, bro. Yes, dude, like a master. He's doing more than steroids. Watch what I'm saying, like he's a master steroids I'm saying it like I was impressed I was you know something yeah that's an intramuscular needle he's doing this Before it's like good point didn't get I'd be very very Yeah, look at that yeah, all right, so I got another I got something else interesting to bring up about a cannabinoid called cannabic chromine

CBC So this is found in the hemp plant. So hemp is a close cousin, I guess you could call it a close cousin to marijuana, except it doesn't have a lot of THC, right? So it's got CBD, everybody knows about CBD, CBG, all these other cannabinoids. One of them is called CBC. CBC is neuroprotective, and it promotes the growth

of neurons in the brain. So it's actually a pro brain health cannabinoid. Is this what? Is that in the brain blend? Yes, so Ned's brain blend is higher in CBC. It also has Lion's Mane in there and other things. I love that blend, that's one of my favorites. Is this the theory of why smoking marijuana

seems to be protective in the sense that it's not as bad as smoking cigarettes? Is that why you think? Oh no, okay, so there's anti-cancer effects of cannabinoids also. So cannabinoids are very interestingly anti-cancer. There was a study, one of the first studies that came out was out of Spain. I think it was a Dr. Guzman who did it on rats,

I want to say, with brain cancers. And high doses of THC dramatically improved their survivability. So the research in cannabinoids and cancer has been going on for a long time. In fact, there was a government study in the 1970s. They were trying to show that smoking joints cause lung cancer.

Right. Because they were going to use it to tell everybody, stop joking. And they didn't promote it or talk about it, right? No, they stopped the study. I was going to say it. Because they weren't getting cancer. It was actually slightly protective.

So they're like, uh-oh, let's not tell everybody about this or whatever. So there's that. But no, when it comes to the brain, it's interesting because THC, lots of THC is not necessarily good for the brain. We know this can cause memory issues. But if you combine it with other cannabinoids, there's a protective effect from those other cannabinoids on the brain. I think you used to tell me back when I was asking you this when we first, one to one ratio? CBD to THC seems to be protective. Okay. Yeah, but

CBC is one of the best ones. And you're right, the brain blend from that is higher in that plus all the other stuff. So THC is the one that isn't necessarily good for the brain long term. That's the one that could cause the short term. But as long as you're balancing it with that, it's a net zero. I don't know if it's a net zero, it's better. Sorry. Oh, okay. Sorry, Craig. My consumption's been pretty low, actually. Is it really?

Yeah, yeah, I'm just busy. That's good. Yeah, yeah. We're done, we're completely nothing. You're still nothing. Nothing. Wow, that's so sad. I did that for a while.

No, it's not, it's good, man. It's good. I came back though, cause like, I remember I was talking to you about it It has a little bit of a medicinal effect for me for sure Yeah, especially to get better sleep like and calm down at night. You're an edible guy though, right? You that's you don't you don't you don't smoke you can I was like I'm like, I don't like we always talk I don't like being dependent on anything. And so I was like kind of shaking it up. I went off for about two weeks

What about the med sleep antsy what about the sleep blend yeah I took that yeah and that helped I mean it was just kind of like I still missed the THD I know I have a partial attachment to the actual smoking of it yeah like there's there's something calming and relaxing about just that even if it's only a couple hits it's something about Sitting outside lighting that and doing that. I know it's not the healthiest way to do that But there's something I know that I like cuz I I know that eating it or doing like the Ned sleep would be a much better way for me to do it yet. It doesn't seem to I don't seem to enjoy it as much. Yeah. No, no, we're off

I mean everything completely. Did you and Jessica go at the same time? You both said here or did one of you do it in the other one? I had different challenges with substance. I can have issues with substances in different ways. Cannabis for me wasn't that big of a deal to completely stop. For her it was much more of a big deal.

But she's been off completely. Now was she, would she typically, before you've decided this, and it's like a normal week, does she normally consume a higher amount than you would? Yeah. Okay. Like significantly more than you would? Because you weren't like a heavy smoker.

No, no, but she would use it. More regularly? Yeah, relatively regularly. I mean when her and I first started dating, we used it daily. We were nightly. It was so much. Well, yeah, you guys were like in your little party phase.

Yeah, but that's not. It's like all excited, like you're 20 again and stuff like that. Yeah, but it was not a great, it was not a great relationship. I remember you were all giddy and like, oh. Yeah, that's what happens when you're in love, you know? Yeah.

But no. Festivals, that's good. No, we didn't go to any festivals. I've never been to a festival before. Nobody has here, huh? Doug. Oh yeah, sorry, you've been to Burning Man. Have you been anywhere besides Burning Man

or just Burning Man? No, just Burning Man. Which is like the pinnacle of all those- Did you walk around- Heavy metal festivals don't count. I did not walk around there. Cowboy boots. You didn't?

This is cowboy boots. What'd you wear in Burning Man? Chaps. I'm trying to recall, I didn't do a lot of dressing up, honestly. I mean, some people really get into it. Go all in. You just covered in dust the whole time? Basically.

You just sleep in a tent? I did, which was horrible if you stay up half the night and then you wake up and then the desert sun is beating down on your tent in your sleeping bag, because it's cold when you go to bed. You wake up, you're all sweaty. Just frying. Wow.

No thanks, that's why you can never, it couldn't get me, it's not, yeah, everybody tried to tell me, I'm like, no way. Yeah, no, no thanks. I was bartering, sleeping in the window bag. Hey, I learned about something, I saw a post that I thought was fascinating, and I'm like, I gotta check this to see if it's true.

So there was this priest that was being interviewed, and the woman interviewing was talking about like, evidence for spiritual world, whatever, and he brought up something and he said, it's something called terminal lucidity. And he said, they don't understand this, but about an hour or a few hours before death, when your IQ is at maybe 25 or 50

because you're already, you have terrible cognitive issues. You're brain dead. Like you haven't been responsive. Sometimes this happens to people who haven't been responsive for months. Then they'll come out for an hour and they'll remember people's names. They'll say, hey honey, make sure you get the will together.

They'll have this sharpness of mind. So I'm like, let me look this up. It's a real thing. And they don't understand it. They don't understand how somebody like severe Alzheimer's, who's on their deathbed an hour before suddenly becomes clear and lucid. And this priest said, and I looked this up too, you know what happens oftentimes to these people? Especially people with really bad cognitive issues, they'll, right before they die, they'll wake up and start singing religious songs. Or they'll start praying.

Clearly. An hour before. Yeah, true. There's stories of people going out and smiling and all happy and stuff like that. I wonder if there's some sort of connection. I don't know. Now a smile you might be able to explain, you know,

but like lucidity? Imagine somebody for six months is in bed, doesn't recognize anybody, it's grandma, she's on her way out, she can't even talk, we're feeding her through a tube, and then an hour before, two hours before she comes out and she's talking to her kids, totally clear. They can't explain it.

It's the craziest thing. Yeah, see? They call it the end of life rally or end of life experience. Unexpected return of mental clarity and cognitive abilities, such as memory and speech and terminal ill individual shortcomings. Now, I haven't experienced that. Have you experienced that? Have you guys ever had anybody like that? I mean, I've only seen two people pass away. My dad's mom, my grandma, she was like, severe dementia at the end stage and then all of a sudden, like kind of got a lot of it back to the point where she was like joking.

I went in there to say my goodbyes and she was like making jokes about like, having my body and all my muscles. You know, I was just like, what? Where'd this come from? You know, it was amazing. But yeah, it was just brief. It was very brief.

It's so weird. Yeah, that is weird. It's so weird. I remember, you know, I trained amazing. But yeah, it was just brief. It was very brief. It's so weird. Yeah, that is weird. It's so weird. I remember, you know, I trained a lot of surgeons at one point, and they would tell me all these weird stories like they would say, and they would never say this, you know, I don't think they would tell anybody. They told me we were close.

They'd say, oftentimes we can predict when people are gonna go. And there's two reasons. One, the person loses hope, they just stop fighting. Yeah, the fight. They're like, we know they're gonna go. Or two, they start calling their family members in to say goodbye.

And that happened to me with my family member who died of cancer. She was in the hospital. I've seen that happen too. She wasn't supposed to die that day. I remember she went in there, she had lots of fluid built up in her abdomen from her cancer. But all of her organ function was fine.

The doctor told us, we're just draining her, everything looks good. And I remember I got a call from her son. She's like, hey, she's calling everybody over because she wants to say her goodbyes. I'm like, but she's fine. She's like, yeah. And I went over there, she said goodbye to everybody.

And then she passed away. I've seen that personally. I've heard countless stories. I mean, wouldn't you say that just highlights the power in like just will because you have the will to live that you, it's like you know and you just have this, okay, I know these are my last moments.

I wanna see so and so or whatever like that and that's it and then once I do that, I'm okay. And then just letting that letting go process. It's like waiting for that last person to sometime. It is, there are stories like that where it's like she waited until the wedding and she made it to the wedding and then the next day passed. Or waited until someone got in town

and someone finally got in town and then said their goodbye and then he passed or whatever. There have been stories like that. I've heard tons of stories like that. Yeah, or maybe, I don't know. It's so hard to explain what's going on. Is there a spiritual component? They get a sense of peace and calm,

and they're like, oh, I'm gonna say bye to my friends and family, I don't know, but it's really interesting. But yeah, looking that up was weird. You know what one of the biggest challenges with that terminal lucidity is? When people will come out and will start saying things like, hey, you know in my will it says this, I wanna change that.

And they don't know if they should take them seriously because they haven't been elusive. They're not clear minded, right? They haven't been clear minded for months. So how does that work? Does it automatically default to power of the attorney at that point? I don't know.

Where does power of attorney kick in? Is it only after death? I think it already had kicked in at that point. I was gonna say, normally that kicks in sooner, right? Yeah, because you're not able to call the the shots right but then what happens with for two hours Yeah, then all of a sudden you're like I don't want him in my will anymore. Imagine if that person's in the room I know what I said, but they told me the doctor was there saw the whole thing There's a guy behind just like I want to change Oh, no. Stupid, we can hit Bernie's. You guys are disgusting, bro.

What are you talking about? Justin's so demented. Sorry. Justin's the worst. Speaking of less esoteric things, but so did you know, and I, okay, this is something that somebody told me and I was just like, this can't be true every single time. But we tried it out even when I was in a palm desert recently and like we had Like these bottles so at the end of every bottle like after you pour the whole bottle out like says wine or like some bottle

Of you know alcohol or something so glass bottle glass bottle You finish it completely get the last drop you're done. There's always ten more drops Like exactly ten. Yes Really? It's weird. It has to be so yeah drop you're done there's always 10 more drops like exactly 10 yes really it's weird it has to be something it could be you know I'm sure this is an anomaly of like you know maybe you just like did you read this no this is some old wise and you tested this guy that told us so I'm gonna test this bar and I was like no way is that true and then we did it in for at least five bottles. It was true. Well, what would be fascinating? No, it was we're getting rid of stuff

We're gonna prove it yeah, hold on let me see if I can explain it before Doug looks it up It probably sweats, you know the This is true. I have theory too. It probably sweats, you know, the last remaining liquor. Here's what I'll guess, is my guess is it has to do with the surface tension of the fluid dynamics. Yeah. So when you pour it all out,

there's a certain amount of surface tension and fluid dynamic. So the bonds are still holding on. Yeah, there's definitely some that's coated on the sides. That could be it. You settle it back down. So it results in 10 drops. That's a good explanation.

Doug, look at this. So what would be interesting then, because then where that theory would fall apart is if you did it with a beer bottle then you did it with like a champagne glass or something like that and they all did ten. Yeah. No, if it's surface area like that then it would be a larger bottle. No, I think it has to do with surface tension with something totally different. Yeah, what do you mean? It would still volume would still matter. Look up, there's always 10 drops left in a bottle, theory. Let's go Google Earth.

He's like, this doesn't exist. What were you typing in, Doug? These are leftovers. Stupid questions from my public person. Doug's the worst Googler. I think I should retire. You guys do it. You can do it.

No, don't. Did you find anything? I want to get an app that says, hey sir, it's hey Doug. You guys do it. You could do it. No, don't. Did you find anything? I want to get an app that says, hey, Siri, it's hey, Doug. Yeah, hey, Doug. Hey, Doug, look this up. Hey, Doug. Did you make this up? Are you guys good about using, hey, Google and Siri?

I'm like, bro, I'm such an old fuddy-duddy. I'm like training myself to get better about that. It's actually, OK, here's the thing. Well, hanging around the staff, it's funny to me, because they look everything up on chat GBT. Like, I don't even think like that. It's actually okay here's the thing. Hang around the staff it's funny to me because they look everything up on chat gbt like I don't even think like AI bro you guys will get left behind if you guys don't figure it out. I'm trying to get there. Let me tell you you know what I remember when it first came on okay and the reason why I was like ah f this it was like it would mess up all the time I find myself repeating myself like six times to get something but it it just

like everything else it's evolved and it is so much better. I know. There's times where I'm like you start to say something and it like predicts what you're gonna say before you're finished. Here's the thing. I'm like damn this is getting good. You said something interesting and I think I want to get left behind. I don't necessarily think it's a good idea. I'm serious. So bro you've been left behind a long time. You're fine you're already winning dog. If that's your goal. Yeah. You've been stuck in like the early 90s why are those new ballots? yeah listen who's the best? you won already. who's the best Googler in the room? the Google man!

I like that. you are a good Googler. it's already in your brain. did you find it Doug? I mean this is so obscure so it's kind of stupid but anyway I'm looking it up it's interesting. ten drops or anyway, I'm looking it up. It's interesting. 10 drops, everybody's talking about, I drop bottles, but they're not talking about wine bottles or champagne bottles. Come on, Sam. Justin applied it to alcohol.

I applied it to alcohol. Yeah, just some way to just tie it. That's the lame version. Just give him some excuse to finish the bottles off. Be cool. Why are you drinking all that vodka? Where did you hear it? Where did you hear it? Where did you hear it? It was literally for this guy like at the pool

Drunk guy at the pool. This is your resource No, he's like in the industry He's not for real, bro. And he's just a guy? He's to work. No, he's like in the industry and owns restaurants and restaurant industry. So he was always saying, every last one is like, He's somewhat credible.

There's 10 drops. He's a bullshit. He's some guy. And so we just tested it out, and it happened. I was wondering if you guys had heard of it. Not that I'm like a devout believer You're gonna defend yourself The best thing I found for this No, they're not readable dude, no there are not always ten drops left in any kind of bottle the number of drops remaining

I'll come very different on several factors size of the see? The viscosity of the liquid and the dropper design. So, look it, the size would matter. And I bet if you did a lot of beer bottles as a bartender, and that's all you do is serve beer bottles. Yeah, beer bottles are always a wine. And they're always pouring it out the other night, so I could see that that happens, and over 10 years of doing that, you're like,

bro, there's always 10 drops in Bud Light. You should have been a jerk and fact-checked him right into his face, like, oh, I'll be right back. Yeah, um. You didn't say that right. That's a good way in Bud Lights. You should have been a jerk and fact-checked him right into his face. Like, I'll be right back. Yeah, um... You didn't say that right. That's a good way to make friends. Excuse me.

Don't do my voice. Stop it with your voice. I hate it when you do my voice. I'll just run a few screens. According to the study, it's not true. All right, that's enough. Hey, Adam, I want to tell you about this. Okay, tell me.

Because I think your kid will love this. So you know what my kids got for Easter from their godparents? It's called a Yodo Mini. Maybe you can look this up, Doug. It's this little orange box. You can play music on it, podcasts on it. There's cards that you plug into it. It'll read stories.

It'll talk about science. There's dinosaur cards. There's cards on cars and trains. It's so cool and it's like perfect for the kid. Is it visual or audio? Audio. I love that. It's all auto, audio. So it's funny, okay audio. I love that. It's all auto.

So it's funny, okay, so I'm totally gonna look into this, but here's what's interesting about what you're suggesting right now. I've recently, and I haven't brought this up, found like a little hack with my son for all you parents out there. If you are on a mission to, let's say you're a parent who is just becoming aware of probably

the addictive properties around the iPad and tech with your kid. So I have switched Max to, Spotify has this like crazy, all his stories, like stories, audio. I'll just put it on my phone and we'll sit there outside by the pool and we'll just, we'll play,

name a story you've read in a book or watched on a movie, they have like it being read. And I just, and he gets just into it. And him and I are just sitting there and we're outside and we're looking around and we're just listening to this, listening to the story. So much better. When I was a kid, one of my favorite things to do was,

we used to come in cassettes. So for people- Doug remembers this, right, Doug? What? Listening to the stories that way. Yeah, I used to have records. Stories out of records. It was all verbal back then.

It was a phonograph. No, I used to have these cassettes that I would put in a cassette player and they came with books. And it would read the book to you and then it would make a chime noise for you to turn the page. You guys remember those?

Yeah. No, audio is the way to go for your kids. So this thing's all audio. There's podcasts on there. Do you guys know that Blue's Clues, there's a podcast? Like kids' podcasts? Yeah, dude. Wow.

And so it's all audio. So my wife's outside with the kids. She's sending me pictures. She's like, I love this thing. Bro, I just watched a series on Netflix called Bad Influencer. Oh, don't tell me about this. It's like a six part series.

You guys need to watch it. And you need to watch it. You told me a little bit. It's the present. Yeah, you guys are, I mean, obviously you guys are. I haven't seen the trailer. You guys are a little, but I just think it's important to talk to the audience about this

because I wasn't aware of what a problem this is. And some of, and we kind of know this because we've talked about YouTube before, about how popular YouTube is for kids, right? Unboxing of toys and things like that. And because we have all these crazy stories where kids become millionaires from opening toys, so of course, what does that do? It sends a bunch of... It's like Hollywood parents.

So, yeah, or pageant parents, right? So you have these parents that turn their kids into influencers, and there's not a lot of law or like legal stuff around what you can and can't do and as long as the kid is okay with doing it and the parents like so you have these parents that are really taking advantage and it's so it's sad to see you I don't know that and I don't know if they're wrapping it or they think it's okay or justified but uh boy is it really messing these kids up? Yeah. Well, I mean from what I saw just briefly It was like it got to the level where they found you get more eyes attention views and all this stuff by

Sexualizing it more, you know, yes kids and it's like it's fucking disgusting It's way disgusting and they did it they did it they did a poll Okay on like so they have these kids. They're like, and the average age is like, some of these kids are starting at seven, nine years old, 13 years old. Like 80%, they have like a million, two million followers. 80% of their followers are men between the ages of like 30

and 50. Yeah, right. Like that's. Of course. And like, and if you're a parent and you know that, and you're still letting the kid do that is like wild The kid doesn't know anybody the kid what in the way it unfolds the way it looks is why it's so sad Okay, is that please their parents? Well, they don't even know any better like the kid does something that looks like an adult

Yeah adult sexualizes it but the kid just thinks it's being silly, cute, or goofy, or whatever like that, and because they get the reinforcement of the likes and the comments and the more money and the more views, they just keep going down that rattle. And then if they have a parent who's encouraging it because they're seeing more money and more return, and it's like, this is like an epidemic, like it's huge, it's all over the place happening.

That's level one disgusting, but level two that a lot of people need to think like think about. One of the worst possible things that could ever happen to your kid, forget perverts looking at them, forget all that. One of the worst possible things that happen your kid is they become famous. Period. End of story. A child gets famous. They're getting fake love. They're getting lots of reinforcement, enforcement that is not going to stick around. You are setting your child up for a very difficult adulthood.

This is why you see the Hollywood kids so much. Well, what's the stats on that? Famous kids, it's terrible. Imagine being that popular as a child. What is the stats, I've seen it before, on Hollywood kids back in the day. Terrible. Like 80% of them end up being on-

Find me two of them that didn't become drug addicts or- Yeah, end up being in rehab, suicide. Like it's the level of depression and drug abuse in childhood celebrity. I can't remember what the status. It's a high percentage though. I can think of one. Kirk Cameron.

But he's like super religious now. Well yeah, because that saves him. Yeah, no, I'm sorry. The last thing I would ever want is for my kid to become famous. Imagine being 10, 11, 12, 13, imagine being 14 years old with the amount of attention that we get.

Imagine that, what would that happen? What would that condition? Well yeah, and at that age, the kid's getting conditioned again. There's an innocence to it, they have no idea. What else? The fake love and attention, and they think they're so good and so smart.

I didn't know, I didn't realize how big it was until I watched this. Like I just put it on, and it didn't really. And it was like, it wheeled me. It reeled me in and I started watching more and more Katrina. And I was like, Oh my, I didn't know this was a thing. I didn't even know that it was that pop. I didn't, I didn't realize that because it's one thing to be a parent and be a little naive to the addictive properties around. Like I get that. Like I get, don't make your kids famous, but like leaning into it and like pushing them to add you might not yeah realize

it's the kids know like it and so I'm like at a gymnastic tournament and there's one kid that's like got five million viewers you'd never know he's just competing he's doing this thing you know parents are just recording like they do anything else and then my kids go that's so and so and I'm like what and I'm look up and it because I don't you know it's it's like a snap what's the other one it's a tick-tock or snap snap chat you know some obviously I'm oblivious but it I mean it's crazy they're just like documenting this whole thing and the kids got personality and all that but it really is there they're like documenting everything.

It's a full-time job. No, no, no, no, not a good idea. Yeah, I had no idea. I had no idea that it was that bad, but I mean, again, I love, I mean, here's the positive side. If you're pro free market, so like that, then you start to see stuff like this. You start to see like people that are aware of that,

know that like, you know, cause your kids are gonna like, they're entertained. They want that stuff like that. You want, you want your kids to be able to enjoy. They don't want to be like not doing anything. So I get that this makes sense why something like this would pop up and is probably growing and getting more popular. I mean, that's what I, what I hope and pray for is that we're just in this weird time of just lack of awareness around it. I mean, I wasn't aware. I was aware it happened, not at that level

I didn't realize like how many were going on and so hopefully as like documentaries like this come out more and more people talking about The books that we've talked about come out That more people become aware and because just it was small period of time when we were idiots and naive that we let our kids Do all this stuff and then we kind of yeah, you got to keep your kids off YouTube in general That's the that's the worst one. You know in the comments, these pedophiles in the comments will signal to each other in comments of videos and they can't crack down on all of them. How many millions of videos are uploaded every day?

They don't have enough people that can handle it. It's horrifying. No, it's terrible. On a positive note, the one cool thing I've seen from AI so far, this is my favorite thing so far, this guy, I don't know if you've seen this before, remember those bass? Like you mount like a bass and it's like the singing bass. So this guy rigged in AI with so and he would tell him to communicate with him

like in Arnold's voice. And so he was like talking trash to him as he's working out this bass. It really, Arnold's voice is hilarious, dude. And so he was like talking trash to him as he's working out this bass Arnold's voice it's hilarious dude. Oh, that's how we do just to see like AI interact I think that's there's something there with something physical that like can it be somewhat animated but weird and and you can communicate with them Instead just like hey sir, it's some like, you know Invisible oblivious thing it's a have like an actual like something invisible oblivious thing. It's to have like an actual, like something to interact with. That's cool. It's interesting. That's what, you know,

that is the pet rock of our generation. You know that? Oh, the fish. Oh yeah, look up singing bass fish, like total sales. It's- Really? Oh bro.

I mean, I've seen them so many times. Oh, it's, it broke all kinds of crazy records. I guess so. Yeah. I think just singing bass, frame, what it sales, or what do I tell. I looked this up one time. The guy who did it was just a kajillionaire off of it. You know, I was thinking of that.

Like, the logical follow-up for me would be like Teddy Ruxpin, you know, the term in AI. Oh, yeah. That'd probably be scary. I can't believe you just said Teddy Ruxpin. That brings back a lot. Over $100 million. Over $100 million of those. That's crazy, right? On a stupid scene, that brings back. Over a hundred million dollars. Over a hundred million dollars of those.

That's crazy, right? On a stupid scene. On a stupid scene, yeah. More than Tickle Me Elmo. Sometimes you hit it out of the park. That's what, I told you, it's like the pet rock of our generation. That's the best analogy I can give.

That's like how crazy it was. I don't remember what made me look that up one day. I looked at, I don't know. Probably looking up ways to make a million dollars. I know, I know. Fastest way to make a million dollars. Dumb ideas I can do right now. And I got that.

Damn it. Somebody did that already. Somebody did that idea already. Anyway, I want to talk about a use for one of our partners, Element. So I have a use for it. So I notice a, so this is for people who work in jobs where you sweat a lot, or if you compete in a sport

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Thanks for having me on Really excited for this opportunity found you guys about a a couple years ago from Dr. John Delaney. So this is pretty cool. Yeah, very cool, man. How can we help you? Hey, so like I said, I've been following programs for a little over two years. Cycled anabolic performance twice. And I noticed whenever I'm in phase three of anabolic and phases two through four in

performance doing the 15 plus reps, I get gassed out pretty quick, especially doing the heavier compound movements, deadlift, squat, bench, so on and so forth. And so between sets, I'd have to rest two to five minutes just to get my heart rate down breathing regulated before I feel ready to Do that next set? Currently I'm in the strong program Just doing the foundational workouts not with schedule can't do the in between working sessions, but

Wanting to do Power Lift next. Currently I'm running about three to five miles one day a week just to maintain some running capacity for some trail run goals this year. So in short, you know, how do I need to adjust my training so that I can maintain a Lower heart rate and not get so gassed when lifting in the 15 to 20 rep range I've tried just doing less weight but still feel gassed especially with squats and deadlifts. Yeah, you're normal You know what though what's great about this question is that people think that we're anti-cardio and we talk like, oh. Yeah, do phase three. Right.

But here's an example of a client came to me with exactly this and they're just like, hey, this is what's happening to me. This is where I would prescribe. Work on stamina. Yeah, that's where you get some more endurance. And one of the best ways to do that is by running and getting your heart rate up or StairMaster or whatever you want. So I'm assuming with your three to five mile run,

it's kind of a consistent tempo the whole time? Yeah, I'm about a nine minute mile pace. Okay, yeah we want some more. Average beats per minute's between 165, 175. Try a shorter, faster run for the kind of stamina that you're looking for. So rather than three to five miles, I'd go one and a half to two miles,

but try to run at a faster pace, eight mile, excuse me, eight minute mile or something like that, right? Try pushing the intensity but reducing the duration, and that'll give you the kind of stamina you need to do a set of 20 reps with a squat. I love taking somebody like this too and doing like a 12 minute hit to start. Let's say you normally run these three to five miles.

We do like a hit style for the first 10 to 12 minutes and then you do your cruising run afterwards. So you'll get that with stamina you're looking for for your squatting and stuff. You'll get that from that hit and then you'll maintain your run and you're only adding an extra 10, 12 minutes to what you're already kind of currently doing

and that should really build your gas tank. Stamina's interesting, right? There's different kinds of stamina, just like there's different kinds of kind of strength. And so what you're looking at for is kind of strength stamina. So- Which is the work sessions, which is unfortunately

what you're not doing right now in the program, which is actually perfect. Yeah, MAPS Strong, the work sessions are gonna help build that as well. But yeah, dude, shorten your run, make it a little harder. You can even practice sprints with shorter intervals in between for the kind of stamina you're looking for. So still not really training for power,

but rather for that kind of stamina.'re looking for, so still not really training for power, but rather for that kind of stamina. But it's just gotta change it up. I mean, I had clients that would run 20 miles a week, and they would get gassed out on 20 rep sets of squats, because it's different. It's a different kind of stamina. By the way, this is also the science that support, so there's obviously, there's people on the internet

that try and counter the message that we talk about when we talk about cardio, but we're typically talking to someone for just longevity and fat loss and building muscle. It isn't a lot of times the ideal thing but here's the case and here's where the studies point to it benefits strength training is when it when it when it hinders when your stamina and endurance hinders your your lifting to where you're not getting the max out of your 15 to 20 rep sets this is where doing cardio you'll now get more out of those you're going to where you're not getting the max out of your 15 to 20 rep sets. This is where doing cardio, you'll now get more out of those.

You're going to probably be able to load the bar more and do more. And then that will then progressively overload the body. You could build more muscle. Now, not to, not just if you want an easy option, another option is to go a lot lighter and continue doing those sets. Going a lot lighter, it's light enough to where you can complete the set. You know, is perfectly fine as well. Okay. Yeah, that's it, man. Does that help you?

Yeah, yeah, I think so. I'll definitely try the short sprints and yeah, I need to get the working sessions in for the strong, but you know, I can only hit three days a week. I'm teaching in the evenings on Wednesdays and Mondays, so the schedule doesn't allow for this semester, but hopefully this summer I can get some more working sessions in and yeah, just trying to build that bigger gas tank. What is like your main goal? Like what are you trying to achieve? Because I'm wondering too, if like maybe a different program based off your schedule is more ideal for what you're trying to accomplish.

Like what's the overall goal, fitness goal? No, I got a good question. So when I first started, it was fat, primary fat loss. I've dropped 60 some pounds in the last two years. So I've been transitioning into more of a, I just want to be strong and athletic. I want that just lift a lot of weight, but move quick and move for a long time. I was a wrestler in high school. I kind of, I'm of I miss some of that just long Performance stuff, so you know I said no, I think like a maps 15 performance with more cardio based stuff involved in yeah

But here's the other thing too. So how long you wrestle for in high school and so it's pretty serious Just four years. Okay, I'm through senior and you lost 60 pounds Yeah, you you might be you might not be fueling your body properly. Are you kind of stuck in this lower calorie, I'm afraid to gain body fat? Maybe, I mean, my wife will tell me, say I eat a ton. We eat a lot, we grill pretty much six days out of the week,

chicken, pork chops. And so yeah, I mean, I feel like I eat a lot. I don't track, I just try to- Are you going low carb? Carbs. We have sweet potatoes a lot. My wife makes her sourdough bread. We do rice a lot with the chicken.

So those are in there. I think the move is to go a more performance-based program that isn't as like a commitment time commitment, right? And you can take the- Little less taxing. You can take the six days and you can make it into a three-day routine also. And you're gonna get kind of the athletic performance

from that type of training and then take the cardio advice we're giving. I think that'll be- You'll have extra time for it. Yeah, I think that'll be more appropriate. So if you don't have max 15 performance, I'll have Doug send that to you. Oh, that'd be really great.

We really appreciate that. Yeah, I think that's- You'll do well on that program. I think that's better for what your schedule is permitting. And then with the little bit of extra time you have, now you can start to do some of these sprint ideas, because the workouts are gonna take you that long. So you can start to do these sprints and runs to build that endurance since that's what I'm hearing from you

is like more the goal. That's probably a better direction to go. Okay. Yep. Alright. Love it. Alright, we're gonna send that over to you, Jay. Thank you very much, guys. You got it, man. All right, man. Stamina is like strength, right? It's really interesting. So give an example with strength. You can be really strong at some lifts and then try new lifts and then just be blown away by how weak you feel with them.

Stamina's interesting. I remember experiencing this myself when I was at my highest level of jujitsu conditioning, I mean I was, you know, I could do, I could go straight for 30 minutes in a hot room, grappling, I mean I had crazy stamina. Then I had a buddy who was a boxer who had me hit mitts. And I was so,

I was so, I was like why am I so gassed? I got crazy endurance fitness. It was just different, it was different, I wasn't used to it. So fitness, there's a lot of carryover, but it's also very specific. Yeah, that was every time I switched sports. I went from football to basketball.

Now all of a sudden I have all these crazy demands for lateral speed and explosive jumping and I just didn't have it. And so it's very specific. And so if he can train, again, a lot of what he's, he's wanting from this in terms of getting better. Work sessions. This is the work session.

So I was just gonna point that out because you did, you pointed that out. Like this is another great example of, you know, he wouldn't be having this problem if he was doing the complete program. All the programs we write are whole. You thought about that. Yeah, are whole and are complete. And that's not to say that there's either this is wrong or it's just that

that you're gonna miss out on some things. There's some things that we already thought about. And the strength stamina component is in strong. Yeah, exactly. And we gave recommendations of kind of a 15 minutes here or there to try and hack to getting closer, but nothing would be better than actually those work sessions. It's more applicable. You are actually doing moving weight for high reps and keeping it moving.

Like that is what would get what he wants the most, but we're on a time strip restraint. And so that changes how I recommend what you would do. Our next caller is Matt from New Hampshire. What's up, Matt? What's going on, Matt? How are you? Hey guys, thanks for having me on. Yeah Yeah good. What you got for us? Awesome so I'll start by reading my question and then I do have a

little update at the end afterwards but I've lost a little over 50 pounds with assistance from a GLP-1. Went from 251 pounds down to 195. I took your advice along the way and used NAPS GLP-1, which I think was very helpful in helping to preserve muscle through that process. Supplemented with whey protein, creatine, EAAs, and focused on my protein intake. Of the weight I lost, according to my impedance scale, which I know is not super accurate, but I lost only around six pounds of muscle, which I think is pretty good. Wow, that's not just pretty good, that's really good. That's really good. Really good. Awesome. So I'm planning and actually I started using MAPS performance again

to kind of start my rebuild since my job as a firefighter paramedic requires athletic performance and mobility. My question is while continuing the above recommendations, is it worthwhile to supplement with peptides for muscle growth, specifically CJC and ipamarylin, or is it not worth the money? And the update is I did start supplementing with those, and that was about a month ago. I do think I've started noticing some results. However, I did freak out because I saw the scale start going up quite dramatically. I gained about 15 pounds of what I assumed to be water weight in like two weeks.

So my new question to kind of update on it is, do you think it's still worthwhile to supplement with these things cyclically every now and then as part of just kind of like a healthy lifestyle and performance throughout a career? Before Sal takes over and answers this for you, I just want to point out what a hell of a job you did. To lose that much weight and to only lose six pounds, 90% was fat and 10%, I mean, a person on GLP-1 like that, to do that is incredible. So. By the way, the data on a 50 pounds of scale weight lost

would look, on average, like 60 on a great with a great person 70% fat yes 30 to 40 percent muscle that's how amazing that is so it would be something like 15 to 20 pounds of loss yes you could have said that I've been like still great so the other side of this I'd like to ask you this during that process of weight loss did you get stronger with any of your lifts, or did you just maintain strength? I probably came close to maintaining. I definitely, I actually lost some strength throughout it.

Not a ton though. It was pretty much the same throughout. Okay, good. So, excellent, excellent, excellent, excellent. Great job. Okay, let's talk about the growth hormone releasing peptides. One of the side effects of raising, and let me ask you a question actually

before I get into that. Did you go gray market or are you working with the doctor? Are they monitoring your hormones? I went gray market for that, but I do see a naturopath who does monitor my hormones. Okay, so you saw, all of the hormones look okay then? Yes, yep.

I've been, so probably from the work that I do, my thyroid and testosterone were in the toilet throughout, or before I went through this whole process. So, I've been on TRT and thyroid medications before all this too. Okay, so you're already on those? All right. Yeah.

All right, beautiful. And then, are you, did you measure your IGF-1 to see the change? Since going on those? No. Okay. So, that would be to know if you? Since going on those? No. Okay. So that would be to know if you got real stuff, if it's actually working.

Nonetheless, raising your growth hormone will result in some water retention. For sure. So that's a normal side effect or effect from growth hormone releasing peptide. Now here's the question, is it worth the potential increase in fat loss and muscle gain?

Is it worth it? And so that's an interesting question because your performance that you're looking for to become a firefighter or a paramedic is gonna be dependent on your strength to weight ratio. A lot of the tests are not just you lifting max weight, they're gonna be you doing things with your body. And so if you get a little stronger,

but you don't, but your body weight goes up to the point where the performance drops, not worth it. Does that make sense? Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Yeah, it's one of those things. I'd been on the job for a little while, about almost eight years full time, and I'd gotten to the point that I was

the fat overweight firefighter. I was tired of being that way. And so now I wanna try and go the opposite end of it and set the example. Okay, so that's what you'll know. Okay, cool, I could deadlift 10 more pounds, but because I'm heavier, I can't move like I could before. So that's the question.

Now the benefit of those peptides is like, I think the big one is sleep. You get better sleep. The muscle gain that comes from growth hormone isn't that substantial. It's super overstated. Now bodybuilders will talk about it, but they're also combining high doses of

anabolic steroids with high doses of growth hormone, which is way more than your body's gonna produce from growth hormone releasing peptide. You'll notice faster recovery. The fat loss effects can be pretty cool. So it's gonna be kind of up to you to determine if your performance is, and what you're feeling from it. But you know in my experience the sleep effects some people get really substantial benefits with

their sleep. For me I think that's totally worth it. Matt are you are you working with a coach or you do this all by yourself? I've just been doing this by myself. I mean that might be the direction I would push investing wise if you're open to it. It's like a good coach who's like dials nutrition. Because I mean, I don't know everything right now, but I would really love to dive into like what your nutrition has been going like and how we can maximize just messing, manipulating macros to build some muscle, then lean back out. And if you're already in the market of like investing more on yourself,

I mean that's not a bad worthwhile. You've already crushed it by the way. What you've done is incredible and you should be very happy with what your results are but you obviously are like looking you're seeking like kind of the next level to what you've already done. This might be where investing in a professional could take you there. I might consider that even though everything Sal said about the peptides are valuable, but I think you would, and you seem like the type of guy where if I told you, do XYZ, you will go do it,

and I think there could be a lot of value in that too, so something to consider. Yeah, but I would get your IGF-1 tested just to see what the effects are. But yeah, growth hormone, testosterone, thyroid optimized, that's like a really good place to be when you combine it with diet and proper exercise. So during this period of time, this 15 pound weight gain,

are you getting stronger or are you just getting better pumps? Because you'll get better pumps at the gym for sure with that. Yeah, yeah, I definitely have gotten stronger. So a couple of my lifts are higher than they were before I started this whole process. And I had been working out or lifting, I should say before I started the true weight loss journey with the GLP one. So I'm now higher than I was there. And it's only been about a month.

So I'm seeing some benefits from whether it's directly from it or just from, you know, the programming and consistency. Have you bumped your calories since then? Yes. Yeah. I haven't been tracking tracking but I've been paying attention to the protein and I've been making sure I've been getting around 200 grams of protein a day. Oh good. And that went up since you started the growth hormone releasing peptides? Yes. Oh okay, so it's a combination.

Yeah, he's probably got water and muscle. You probably put maybe a tiny bit of body fat if you did it all. I don't think so. Are you still following the MAPS GLP-1 program or are you onto another program yet? I'm onto MAPS performance right now. Okay. Oh you're good, yeah. So bump your calories and stay the course.

I think you're gonna be okay. You're doing great. Yeah, you know what would be more accurate is body fat tests. Yeah, that'd be a good one. Get some consistent body fat tests, like once every 30 days. Watch your strength, look at your strength to weight ratio.

So if your squat goes up 30 pounds, but you gain five pounds on the scale, your strength went up in proportion to your body weight. If you gain 15 pounds, but your squat goes up seven pounds, your strength to weight ratio just went down. Does that make sense? Dylan, what was the name of the place, where do I get my body fat,

what's the name of that company? Because they're all over the place. Oh, now body spec? Body spec, yeah. you can find some pretty cool like remote ones but like that do all the Dexter scan really accurate I mean that's I think I'm pointing in the direction of like you're ready for kind of the next level of totally yeah so you've done such a good job getting where you're at on your own either one this is where I would invest in a coach

or to get more granular by getting a better accurate test. Exactly. So whether you do that with a coach or do that yourself, that's kind of where I would push you in that direction. I think you're definitely ready for that. Just for my own curiosity, what was the time period over the 50-pound weight loss? It was around nine to 10 months.

Nice. That's a great pace, dude. Yeah, you're such a great... You did a great job. Great example of how amazing GLP-1s can be. When used appropriately by the right person for the right reasons and done correctly, it's amazing. Have you come off the GLP-1 or are you still on it? I came off, however, when I had my freak out about the scale, I did get some red a true tide as well and I started on low dose there because I was getting like insane cravings as well Help with the food noise a little bit I started a really low dose of that and then that's helped I'll see like micro dosing it now. Yes. Yeah, that's the best I've seen again

We're not doctors here, but the what I've seen that works really well with the clients that we've helped is that. Is that what he just did? Yes. Yep. So, doing good, man. Doing great work, Matt. Yep.

Awesome, well, I appreciate it, guys. Thank you very much. You got it. Keep it up. Killed it, dude. Absolutely killed it. Absolutely. The only thing that,

it always bothers me when people go gray market. Because I'm like, ugh, what are you kidding? We don't know what you're injecting into yourself. There's some people I trust in that space that I can't really point them out because we gotta be careful. But I don't trust many at all. Yeah, it's just so worthwhile.

Definitely wouldn't recommend it. Well, I know what it is. I mean, it's expensive. I mean, there's so much. And Rattata tried, I hope I'm saying that. I know what it is, I mean it's expensive. I mean there's so much. And Rattat to try, I hope I'm saying that. I know, that's an impossible thing. I think that one isn't even available unless you go gray market.

Now that's a triple agonist, right? Or quadruple agonist one? That's the one that is like. Yeah, I heard about it, I don't know anybody that's offering it, yeah. I know Transcend was, they were on. They were almost there. Yeah, I don't know if they're there yet

But I know they were they're working on that Yeah, buddy that offers it most if it is but you know Well, you know you can get a of course you can get it obviously but a hell of a job I love hearing stories like this though because Obviously, there's a lot of controversy around GLP ones that is a type of client that that thing was made for yes It was made for yes it was made for Helping everything to the team and it just was proof and pudding and tell me that's not life-changing for someone like that Oh, yeah, 60 pounds. You know I'm saying to come up like that's just incredible and and to have only lost six pounds of muscle

Incredible so that never happens. Love love hearing them. Our next caller is Claudia from Illinois. Hi, Claudia. What's happening, Claudia? Hey guys. Hey, hey. Um, so I'm Claudia. I'm a mom of two. I'm 35 years old. My oldest is 15. So he's the one I actually have a question about. And my youngest is five. And I think Justin will like this little fact, um, because he's a game of Thrones fan. Um, she's named Liana Aria. So after Liana Mormont. So yeah, that was cool. That's really what I wanted to share with you. So a little bit about me. So I was an OTFer for five years. I met some really great people out of that and that really thankful for that.

But then I listened to you guys for several years. And then I finally said, you know what, you guys know what you guys are talking about. I'm going to switch over, drop the membership and then started your Anabolic program. So ever since then, it's been about a year or so. Great results. I love it. Now I'm getting my kid into it, which is really excited. My friends, my coworkers. So yeah, that's a little bit about me. So I'll just go in a little bit about my son Zane. So he is a high school freshman. He's a varsity wrestler in Illinois at one of the top wrestling schools here. Wow, very cool.

Yeah, yeah. I was never an athlete. So this is all new to me. I have no idea anything about wrestling that or either that there were like three different styles in the US. So in the high school, like normal winter season, they compete in folk style, wrestling, which is a little bit different from the Olympic contested style of wrestling. So this season he competed at two weight classes 126 and 132. I had no idea you could do that but they have to certify it both weights. So here, so one of the questions that he wanted me to ask this morning was how do you cut and still maintain weight when he has to drop to that lower bracket? So I guess that could go off of what his current weight is right now.

So he's a little bit heavier. So now that the folksisle season ended, he's at 151. He's 5'9". He has anywhere between 2500 calories to 3000 calories. And he did want me to tell him, Sal, like hey, I'm eating eight eggs for breakfast every single day. He's like, I wanna make it to 10.

A little understudy there, huh? Yeah, yeah, so he listens to you guys. So because he eats so much eggs, we actually are investing in getting chickens and building a chicken coop. Watch out, you'll become a conspiracy theorist. It happens. Yeah, so he picked the wrong time to definitely increase his egg intake, for sure.

So that was one of the main questions that he had. I had more of a question of like, what should he do in the off season? So the off season isn't really an off season per se, because now they switch from folk style wrestling to freestyle. Freestyle is more explosive, takedowns. It's really, really, really fast. Greco-Roman is the other one too, so they can compete both styles this summer and spring. Spring and summer. Greco-Roman

is no leg attacks, all upper body strength, right? So I had no idea there was any of like any type of style of wrestling. But he plans to compete at 144 for that. So he plans to cut. He needs to cut by, I guess, for this spring and summer season. And then what I want to know is what should he be doing this summer? Because he doesn't really want to compete. I guess I could say that he is more focused on folk style, which is what he needs to go to. That's where the focus is for college, right? So that his goal is to become a D1 wrestler. Um, so that's where I'm like, I'm going to you guys, like, what should

we do off season to get ready for folks? Cause he's, he's crazy busy. Like, I don't know. Yeah. Two, two styles, two weight classes and a freshman on varsity. Yeah it's actually three styles. You've got a monster. So this is tough to answer. So let me ask you mom, okay, what do you want for your son? Because I know what he wants. I can guess what he wants but what do you want? What are your

worries and concerns? And they're okay that's totally valid because your mom and what do you want for him well i want him to be safe so the first half of the season um when he so i guess i should say wrestling season starts in december right so by november end of november he already had to like start cutting weight to meet 132. Yeah. He went his way and I said like, this is how you should do. I start like going into a calorie,

slowly going into a calorie deficit, knowing this is your target weight for the season. He didn't listen to me. He went like dehydration, starvation mode, like most wrestlers do. And I'm surprised he passed the dehydration test because they have to get tested and certified for it. It really like, I kind of let him do his stuff

his own way at first. And then I kind of eventually tell him like, hey, this is what I recommend. Like you don't want to listen to me in the beginning. This is what mind pump says. So you guys have been really helpful in reinforcing this stuff. Like I got him on seed because it might be like too much information. He might be embarrassed because he's going to listen to this episode. But like, I'm like, Hey, how are your bowel movements? Because you're cutting like, right.

And he's like, well, they're not really regular. I'm like, all right, let's go on seed. Now it's a part of his daily routine. First thing in the morning. He takes seed and the EAAs. Again, especially when he's cutting I told him like, all right let's do your EAAs because you're really weak. So I do try to like apply what I've learned from you guys. So like he uses the Juve Red Light Therapy after tournaments, especially especially the shoulders because wrestlers are prone to shoulder injury. Okay. Okay, so what I heard most importantly is you wanted to be safe. Yes. And so wrestling is interesting. There's incredible value that comes from wrestling. It's unique, yeah. But it also has a culture that that can be not so safe and it's a culture of weight loss, it has a culture that can be not so safe.

And it's a culture of weight loss, it's a culture of extreme dieting, dysfunctional eating. Wrestlers are notorious for this, especially the smaller, lighter weight classes. And he's a freshman, he's young, he's supposed to grow. He's gonna grow as he gets older. So my advice is this. My advice is to let him wrestle at the higher weight classes

and stop messing around with trying to cut 20 pounds as a 15 year old boy for two reasons. Can he do it? Yeah, he can starve himself and cut, which is what's gonna happen. He can do this right. We can do this perfectly, but he's gonna have to go on a crazy deficit

and train his ass off and it's not healthy. And I don't think he's, with a talent like your kid, I don't think we're gonna compromise his potential for going to a D1 school in the future by having him wrestle at a higher weight. So I think staying lean is fine. I think getting strong is important. Focus on his skill and technique.

He's still a freshman, he's getting way better as a wrestler as he continues to get older. But I'd really, really and the coach might not like me saying this but I've gotten into arguments I had clients with with kids like this and I got a big arguments with coaches Because at the end of the day and you know, he yeah, they want to win. Here's the end of the day What's more important to you is that your son become a healthy adult and that he's happy in the future what's less important that he get a D1 scholarship that compromises health and develop problems. Okay, so, and now that doesn't necessarily

have to be the trade off. So I think let him go in the higher weight class. I think Maps 15 is the only strength training he should do in the off season because he's still doing four days a week, two hour training sessions in the off season, right? Yeah, and sometimes his buddies, they're like, hey, I'm gonna have another practice on Saturday.

So there's like another two hour practice in like pretty much a sauna. For people watching this right now, that's the off season for wrestlers. There's four days a week, two hours a day in a heated room, right? So, Maps 15 is his strength training program, okay? That's number one.

Number two, most important thing, he needs to get nine hours minimum of sleep a night. If he can't do nine hours of sleep, then he needs to go to bed, wake up, go to school, and have a nap if he can. But nine hours is what he needs, which means he needs to go to bed nine and a half hours before he needs to wake up. Now I have a feeling your son will have no problem doing this because it sounds like he's super focused on his goal. Oh yeah. Okay. So I'm gonna talk to Zane right now. Zane, if you do what I'm saying with the sleep, you're gonna add 15-20% to your performance. Yeah. Like nothing is gonna improve your performance like what I'm saying with the sleep here. So that

means nine and a half hours before you need to wake up, go to bed. And this means seven days a week, even on the need to wake up, go to bed, and this means seven days a week, even on the weekend, because if you go to bed late and then wake up late on the weekend, you're gonna change your circadian rhythm and you're gonna give yourself jet lag and it's gonna take away some of these benefits. So nine hours of sleep every single night,

Maps 15, no additional strength training. Okay, don't do any of our other programs. They're inappropriate for your body. You're gonna get stronger and build more muscle following MAPS 15. Supplementation's great, you've got all that down. And stop chasing the lower weight classes. I don't care what your coach tells you,

if you just go in at 130 or 126, we got these kids you can beat, go ahead and train and compete at the higher weight classes and let your body grow, let your body grow. That doesn't mean get a bunch of body fat. I'm not worried about Zane getting body fat, by the way. I think he's so hyper-focused that what we need to be careful with is watching the opposite,

where he gets too obsessed with food. So get in the higher weight classes and get the skill and continue to build and get stronger and go to bed on time That's it. That's it right there and to sell that more Zane you with 10 more pounds of lean body mass will be more dominant I know right now it's tempting because you're like man. I know if I drop down that weight class I'm dominating those kids that are in that weight class But that's you where the muscle that you have is at right now versus if you stay in a healthy range and we build 10 pounds of

muscle then you'll be even more dominant in that class and it'll be healthier for you. Now I'm not talking about bulking either so again this doesn't mean what I'm saying to Zane is hey let's see if we get you to 175 and push it okay just eat healthy feed your body feel good good, feel strong, don't diet, and then let your body weight go where it goes. And then you want to be maybe four or five pounds away from the weight class you're going to compete. Yeah, I was gonna say five. I'd say I don't want him cutting more than five to eight pounds total. At the most. At the most.

Because water is low. So in other words, you're gonna be walking around at a good, lean, strong, like you can go wrestle and you feel good and you're lean so you can kind of see your abs, you feel good. Not shredded, don't worry about being shredded. You're fit, that's your body weight, then that's gotta be five pounds within there, that's the weight class you're gonna compete in. But stop chasing the light, you know,

I gotta cut 20 pounds. You've always got to stay as close to that body weight that you can compete in as possible. That's the healthiest, that's the healthiest, the healthiest. It's also gonna be his best performance. It's gonna be a big compromise. It's gonna be his best performance long-term.

Yeah. You know, as he gets into college, you know, because the other side of the mistake, you know, and here's what will happen. People are going to tell him, well, if you go in the lighter weight class, you're going to be so much stronger. That's only true if Zane tries the bulk like crazy and he forces his body to gain 20 pounds and then he goes and gets a bunch of guys who are naturally 20 pounds, know at that body weight or whatever then he's gonna be at a disadvantage but if he doesn't force feed like to bulk he eats healthy feeds himself feels good he's not getting injured he's getting good sleep and lets his body weight go where it's supposed to and then stays within that

fight you know within five pounds of that that's his weight class that'll be he'll be doing great listen he's already a freshman wrestling at varsity. He's already good Get great at your natural body weight get great there versus trying to do the shortcut route is what these guys do is they? They're already good enough at their way and they go if I could get down ten more pounds I'll dominate those guys forget that dominate the guys in your class right now go dominate those guys and you're already good You're already you're only gonna get better if you do this in the sport. There's so much time for him to really build and develop that skill. He had that weight. And then for you mom, you know, the culture of wrestling, there's some great lessons he's

gonna get from it. It's my favorite high school sport but the other part for you to watch out for is the obsessiveness when it comes to diet and over training and beating himself up. Now there's some value to getting beat up a little bit because that's wrestling. But the diet part, and you don't see this with the higher weight classes, but in the lighter weight classes,

like anorexia and bulimia is a secret that you see in the wrestling space. And these young men will, yeah, so just keep an eye out for that. But tell him, have him watch this. He'll do better letting his body grow. And by the way, Zane, if you try to cut too much with weight all the time as a freshman,

you're not gonna get any taller either. You're gonna stunt your growth. So just kinda let your, just go ahead and train. Feed yourself, be healthy, get that sleep, math's 15, watch yourself get strong, you'll kick ass, you'll be good. I mean I see that she put on, she didn't say it, but in the email it's written that he's doing brain FM

for sleep at night too, which is great. So he obviously cares about it. That's easy to take our advice. I think he'll be fine. Yeah. Yeah, he'll listen to you guys, but not mom. That's right. That's the job.

It's hard to be a prophet in your own town, it's all good. Right, I mean, he does all the right things. He eats like for the most part, really like a diet based on whole foods. Like if it's processed whole, like has an app that says like, okay, it's not really great for you. It has these additives, this coloring, and he'll stay away from that. But I also like am mindful that yes, they can have eating disorders. And he does weigh a lot of his food. But he also is a kid.

I'm like, hey, you need to enjoy. If we're going to go out with friends, let's have a nice dinner. Don't worry about your weight. And sometimes he does tend to go that way. But it's like my husband and I, we work with them to kind of move the needle the other way so he doesn't obsess over that.

Claudia, the fact that you're aware is already huge. This happens a lot of times behind closed doors, parents don't even see it coming or realize because they're not involved. You're very involved. You guys are doing the right things. He looks really healthy when I look at the pictures you sent over. So he doesn't look like... He's way, way fitter than the average American kid. Of course. Like you're just athletically built.

I don't know where you got this from because your dad and I aren't athletes at all. And you and your sister are definitely just natural born athletes. Yeah, yeah. And he's going to do great. And just so you know, that competitive space is extreme. It just is. You're going to be in this... It is going to is extreme. It just is, you're gonna be in this, it is gonna be extreme.

So what I would say to you is when he stumbles, if he loses a match or whatever, he's gonna beat himself up. You guys just act like no big deal. Because he's probably gonna be on him. He's so competitive, you don't need to drive that. But yeah, again, with the weight class thing, don't chase the lighter weight classes,

just be fit and healthy and do what I'm saying with the sleep and the strength training and then let your body go where it's gonna go and then you're within five pounds of your weight class and that's that. That's ideal. Yeah, okay, awesome. I know he had more, I don't know if I have time

to ask a couple more questions that he texted me. Yeah, let's do it. Uh, let me see. Um, he'd be a great linebacker. I'm just throwing that out there. Wrestlers always are. So yeah, in middle school he did a football wrestling and then track and field. They wrap up better than anybody. That's why they get their hands. When they get your hands on you, the, when they get your hands on you. Some of the best players I've ever played with came from wrestling.

Okay, so he asked, okay, he's like, Mom, can you ask them how much protein and calories should I eat in a day, off season and in season? So protein, I'd like for him to eat minimum one gram of protein per pound of body weight Ideal probably more like 1.25 to one and a half. So his for it we know his weight So one he's a hundred and fifty hundred hundred sixty. Yeah a hundred and a hundred and fifty grams to 180 grams of protein a day Yeah, okay calories wise. Okay. Yeah calories wise, you know Probably with the amount of training is doing is probably around 3,000 at least three to four thousand I think you get up to four and four thousand in the offseason probably three thousand in season somewhere around that somewhere in there That's a hard one for us to answer without

Monitoring him annoying because that could be a huge fluctuation weight just doesn't dictate that there's more that plays He starts to notice like he's not recovering well and his sleep is off You know then then maybe a good goal for calories though is to look at, is to go back to the advice we're saying about trying to maintain your weight. Whatever calories are needed to kind of keep his weight within about five pounds of his competitive weight, that's where he should be. That's a, whatever calories that it takes to kind of hover that weight right around five, I would say eight, I know Sal said four, I'd say five to eight.

Eight isn't a crazy cut because you're gonna have four or five water easily as a kid. The amount of water he's probably drinking. So as long as he's a good five to eight pounds within what he's gonna compete at, whatever calorie intake, both off season and in season, to keep him there is probably the best place to be calorie wise.

Okay, that's awesome. I think that- I'd love to hear back. I'd love to hear back from him. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to hear. I'm sure, yeah. And then he's like, mom, can you also see if we can get some swag from them?

I know you already have the program. I tell you what, we'll send some, hey, what's- He's gonna rock it for sure. What size t-shirt is he? He's a medium. Okay, when we hang up, I'll have Doug get your address. Let's put a care box together. Yeah, I'll put some together for him.

We're going to send him some stuff. Yeah. Oh, he's going to be so stoked, you guys. Yeah, we went from like, this is my mom's podcast, you know, on the way to school to now, hey, are we going to listen to Mind Pump? Like, we listened to you guys for like five hours on the way to Iowa for a tournament.

And that's what we did. So he loves you guys. I hope he. I love for a tournament and hell yeah, that's what yeah, so he loves you guys I hope he listens cuz I know at first he's not gonna like hearing it, but I hope he trusts us Yeah, so he does yeah, he's very stoked even though like in this teenage way. He's like alright. You're gonna be on my book Cares kind of way, but then he texted me so That just shows you six very excited for me to be on the show with you guys. That's great. You got a good mom, Zane. Awesome, yeah, yeah. Give her a kiss.

That's right. So listen to your mom. All right, Claudia. Nice to meet you. All right, thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you, bye. That whole world.

Get all her stuff done, huh? Is such an interesting place. Yeah. You wanna talk about, in some coaches, I really get, I got into it with coaches. Oh yeah, well because it's the low-hanging fruit It's like I know how badass this kid is already if I drop him down ten more It's not just that they have a roster. Yeah, and they need a kid right? I want we already have a one whatever I'm gonna make this kid lose 15

You know, even though he's walking around 7% body fat. Yeah, it's just X's and O's for them So you need to be this bracket and I get the toughness of it and there's definitely mental challenge with cutting weight and it's part of the wrestling culture. But he's a kid. He's 15. And he's already hella good bro. He's already a freshman. If you're an adult and you want to do that, go for it. But if you're a kid, you should not be encouraging him to cut 20 pounds.

He's already elite right now. What he's currently doing, just keep getting better at your craft and be as healthy as you can. That's it that's the best advice. Keep your body healthy. Be as healthy as you can and just keep getting better at your craft you're already fucking good. And I'm gonna tell you I know a lot of ex wrestlers who are now in their 40s who were like this and used to have to cut to these really lightweight classes and every single one of them struggles with body weight. Yes. Because they've messed themselves up. Yes. With the whole mentality. I had lots of clients like this. Yeah. That of all the sports is probably one of the most

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