Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2588: The Perfect 6-Step Pre-Workout Routine & More (Listener Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:01:22 Let's go. I haven't seen what you wrote. Just the six. Well, first, I'll't seen what you wrote. Just in six. Well first, I'll start with the first one, just so people get the first tip, but then we'll talk a little bit more about the workout itself. But the most important thing you can do

Starting point is 00:01:34 to get the best workout, and this is gonna sound silly, but you talk to anybody who's experienced, they'll tell you, is to be very well hydrated. Yes. Yeah, of course. It makes a massive, massive difference. Everything works against you if you're not yes It's it's really hard to make it through. Yes, I would even argue Dare I say overly hydrated in other words like I found that the the more water

Starting point is 00:01:56 I had leading into the workout the the crazier my pumps were I remember piecing this together Way later on like I didn't become the guy who carried the gallon of water around until I got into competing. Before that, who gave a shit? Like I didn't care, right? It wasn't part of the game. But one of the biggest insights I got from that was like, holy crap, I've taken every pump supplement

Starting point is 00:02:20 that's ever been made and nothing has given me pumps like being hydrated. By eating a good meal, you know, a couple hours before that's loaded with carbs and then drinking a half a gallon of water before I get into my workout and then while I workout. 100%. Unbelievable pumps. 100%, so let's talk about first off

Starting point is 00:02:38 why we want that perfect workout. Well, first off, it feels great, right? If you workout regularly, especially strength training, it's great, right? If you work out regularly, especially strength training, it's just, it's a great feeling to have that workout that just, everything feels amazing and perfect. The pumps, that's a big part of it. I think one of the reasons why we love chasing the pump, aside from the fact that it may indicate better results,

Starting point is 00:03:02 maybe, is just it feels great. You can see the muscles you're targeting and what they would look like aside from the fact that it may indicate better results, maybe, it's just it feels great. You can see the muscles you're targeting and what they would look like if they were actually more developed in real time. The perfect workout, you tend to be strong. There's nothing like workouts for me where I go in and I feel like I can lift whatever I want.

Starting point is 00:03:18 Like that feeling of just, oh, just that strength, the energy, the connection, I can feel the muscles I'm targeting feels like I'm Progressing as I work out no pain. I feel great Yeah, no pain is a big one which also relates to the hydration because a lot of times you'll feel that in your joints And it's like, you know, if I'm not properly hydrated There's a lot more times where I'll feel like my joints are talking to me and I'm like, oh no, it's inhibiting You know the kind of performance I can have. By the way this is such a big deal having that work that feels good it's such a big deal that one of the

Starting point is 00:03:51 reasons why fitness fanatics overdo workouts or work out too much is they like the way it feels they just like working out and so and you can create the environment where you get that great feeling. Now the hydrated part is very important now first off add some electrolytes or sodium to your water when you do this. You can actually drink too much water, not have enough sodium, cramp up in the workout, actually cause yourself to get a little bit of hydrating. You want it to stay in the cells. Yeah. So what I do, like you, like so Adam, I work out first thing in the morning. So it's like I have all this time to get super hydrated, but what I do

Starting point is 00:04:22 is I'll have a thousand milligrams of sodium, our partner element, I'll pour it in, and I'll drink about a little over a quarter gallon, almost half a gallon of water. And I'll do that leading into the workout, and then during the workout, have more water. There's nothing that gives me a better pump and less pain like that, 100%.

Starting point is 00:04:43 It's funny you're bringing this up, because I just had this conversation with Everett. He just started track and field and has been practicing and ramping up his intensity and like he came home and he was just super exhausted. Just want to go to sleep. He's got a headache. He's like, Oh man, dad, I went too hard and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, did you drink water all day? Leading up to he's like, didn't drink any water blah, blah. I'm like, did you drink water all day leading up to, he didn't drink any water.

Starting point is 00:05:06 And I'm like, oh my God. And just to get him on this realization that a lot of this could have been resolved from that, you'd feel a lot better and you'd perform better. 70% of your muscles are fluid. So the majority of your muscle size and volume is fluid. You need electrolytes and water for cells to communicate properly, for your central nervous system

Starting point is 00:05:29 to function properly. Muscles are far less likely to be pulled or strained. When you're well hydrated, you're far less likely to injure yourself. The data on that's very clear, by the way. Dehydrated athlete, the odds that they'll hurt themselves actually significantly higher. And it sounds silly, because it's water,

Starting point is 00:05:44 but it's actually the most impactful things you could do. One of the side effects too is fatigue, like low energy when you're dehydrated like that too. Sometimes, and this happens to me many times where the days kind of got away from me and I'm feeling kind of sluggish, and I'm like, I haven't had no water day, and then I'll go pound a bunch of water.

Starting point is 00:06:02 I'm like, oh my God, I feel so much better. So I remember actually hearing Justin suggest that to a client and I thought, man, I don't think I've ever checked that box when a client tells me they're fatigued and after that I remember talking to clients and many times it was. We just, we're in the, you know, have some coffee, energy drink or go straight into like sodas

Starting point is 00:06:23 and then you just, the day gets by and you're like oh yeah I drink but then you go unless you're intentional about it you won't even think totally yeah totally yeah and by the way there's a difference some people argue and say well you don't need that much water to not be dehydrated there's there's water that's essential or fluid intake that's essential and then there's optimal and they're different okay so you can have just like protein you know you can have essential protein and then there's optimal and they're different, okay? So you can have, just like protein, you know, you can have essential protein and then there's optimal protein for hitting your goals.

Starting point is 00:06:51 The same thing is true for water. So it is true that your thirst is, or your desire to drink water or fluid is a good indicator that will prevent you from being dehydrated, that's true. And so people will say that, well your thirst will tell you when you need water. Yeah, that's true.

Starting point is 00:07:06 But optimal is higher than that. Optimal is more than that. If you're looking for the best results and for a great workout. Next up is to have a really good night of sleep the day before. If you want to go into a workout and perform at a high level, either you're going to go after a PR, you're gonna work out with your friend, you know you're gonna get after it. Make sure the night before,

Starting point is 00:07:28 you get like a good 30 minutes to an hour more sleep than you normally would. This makes a huge difference. And on the flip side, a poor night of sleep, I think the injury risk alone with a poor night of sleep is something like twice as high. It's significant. So going into the workout, be very well rested,

Starting point is 00:07:46 have a good night of sleep. Yeah, this is probably the one of the ones that's overlooked the most. I mean, I think that we're constantly, I think, pounding the message of sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep, because so many things happen. I think that we tend to neglect that or a lot of times what will happen is somebody is feeling sluggish and then they get in the workout and they feel so much better than they push past that. But if I'm'm gonna go into a workout that I'm trying to get This is like very like in with intention of this is gonna be a hard workout This should be arguably the first one Right. This is like cuz you're prepping that this is the day before right water

Starting point is 00:08:18 I can make up the first thing that oh I can get some water in but This is like I have to think about this the day before. Hey, I'm tomorrow, I'm getting after these lifts. Therefore I need to make sure I do this tonight to make sure I get a good night. By the way, all the stuff we're talking about, you think to yourself like, well, when would I use this? Well, number one, if you just want to have that workout, that's awesome. And number two, this is great for the air when you're training body parts or areas that are weak or that are lagging. So you see really smart bodybuilders will

Starting point is 00:08:45 they'll do all these steps for that day because they know they're lagging in their back or their legs or something like that. So that's what you can use this for. Next up, take the previous day off. A day off leading into the workout will pretty much guarantee you're going to feel more rested, stronger, rested stronger more connected better pumps more recovered for sure This was this for me was when I whenever I was gonna work out with a friend Which I rarely ever do but if I was and I knew I kind of wanted to get after it with that with my buddy I would make sure not to work out the day before so I could go into a fresh Oh, yeah, I mean this is I've been considering this a lot

Starting point is 00:09:23 especially like trying to Time out and figure out when I'm really gonna load heavier or not quite as heavy for this whole series I'm doing for overhead pressing and So it's been a lot of strategic One two days of not lifting prior to that, you know, I'm kind of finding my sweet spot Yeah, I would argue this difference I would argue at least at least one day or maybe even two depending on how hard your training has been going right it's just with that because I feel the same way too you start stretching it beyond four days or longer than I feel

Starting point is 00:09:54 like that you have yes sluggish reverse effect but if I'm consistently training a good day or two off going into getting ready for a serious workout like that it tends to always serve me. Yeah, and this is why a lot of people notice if they're consistent with everything and they work, let's say, Monday through Friday workouts, their Monday workouts tend to be the best because they're coming off the weekend, they're rested. They're fresh.

Starting point is 00:10:17 They're fresh and they just have a great workout on Monday. Next up, and you said this earlier, Adam, have carbs and protein about two or three hours before the workout. Next up, you said this earlier, Adam, have carbs and protein about two or three hours before the workout. Now the data on this with performance is very clear, but I also notice this with the pump. This is a big one with the pump. For me, if I, now I work out first thing in the morning

Starting point is 00:10:35 so I'm fasted, but if I can work out in the afternoon and have like one or two meals before I do the workout, I know it's gonna feel, no matter what, it just feels so much better and so much stronger, so much more energy, the pump is just unreal. There's, everybody has a number. In my experience of advising people with this, and it's good, there's a huge range. Somebody who's low carb doesn't eat a lot of carbs, I can load them up with 20 or 30 grams of carbs pre-workout and they're gonna notice a huge difference. If you eat a of carbs that person might need a hundred and fifty grams of carbs, but everybody has a number

Starting point is 00:11:10 There's a number of grams of carbohydrates that if you prioritize Intake well before your workout. So two hours or more before the workout You will notice this and you'll have a number that if you eat less than that the pumps are less if you eat any more Than that they're not any better. There's a number and it's like I you're right for me. It was around 50 Yeah, and I was about 75 so I knew that if I had 75 grams or more of carbohydrates I'm gonna I'm gonna have the best and the water the combination competing. This is a regular for you, right? Yes Oh, yeah, like it you talk about you know again. This is was my job in a sense, right? Yes, oh yeah. Like you talk about, you know, again, this was my job in a sense, right? I wasn't getting paid, but I was treating it like a job.

Starting point is 00:11:50 So all these things that you're talking about, you know, I was always thinking about. That was the day before, I was thinking about the next day's workout. If it was gonna be a hard, heavy day, I'm knowing that I gotta get a good night's rest. I know I'm gonna be lifting by noon or so, so I need to get at least two meals in before, like all these things that you're talking about.

Starting point is 00:12:10 And I think this is, it's actually kinda cool to talk about this because when you optimize all these things that you're talking about, boy, the workouts, the gains, they all, they come on. And this is what a lot of people who don't know what's happening behind the scenes, other than what they see on social media, don't realize about some of these incredible physiques that you see is like, these guys and girls are-

Starting point is 00:12:34 They're doing all this stuff you see. They're doing this every day. Consistent dieting, everything. Every day they're doing this. I mean, I did at least. That's what it took for me to look like that consistently was I was thinking about all these things every day, all the time, and realized that when I checked

Starting point is 00:12:50 all these boxes, I was making great workouts, I was making great progress. If I lacked in one or two of them, I was having setbacks. And so the pros, or the people that do this for a living, whether that be for Instagram living, or for competing reasons, they do all this stuff. That's right. Next up, prime. Prime well. Individualize your warmup. a living, whether that be for Instagram living or for competing reasons, they do all this stuff. That's right.

Starting point is 00:13:06 Next up, prime. Prime well. Individualize your warm-up. So if you notice shoulder pain on chest day and you have identified that if you work on shoulder mobility before the workout, if you work on scapular retraction, like with some rows before you go bench press, or let's say you have issues with your squat, so ankle mobility is important, or hip strengthening mobility,

Starting point is 00:13:29 some people tube walking, this really helps them get into a good squat. Spending a good 10 to 15 minutes of proper priming makes a dramatic difference in your workout. This one's so important, I did this with my clients almost every time. When my clients were well balanced, then our warmups looked more like a set or two

Starting point is 00:13:48 of the exercise with lightweight moving into it. But almost, I mean, every client I had, at least for the first six months, we primed individually and it dramatically improved their success with their workouts. It made them more connected to the lift, less pain, they felt great. In fact, this was like a trainer hack for me to convince people my value.

Starting point is 00:14:07 I would do a priming session with them, have them do a lift and like oh my god how many more pain I feel great. Yeah the more consistent you are in the very beginning with that the less queuing was necessary once they got into those major lifts and everything was responsive and yeah like you said they'd be like one warm-up set and then you're pretty much ready to go I mean again getting back to the people that do this at the professional level like this part is so serious I mean again, I had plenty of time So I will get to gym and spend a lot of time doing this getting my body all primed ready knowing what lifts

Starting point is 00:14:39 I'm gonna go do knowing all the imbalances and the things I need to do Spending all that time to do that so that when I get into those working sets, I'm getting the most I possibly can out of that for sure. Right. Now lastly, we'll get to the pre-workout supplements. That's what everybody's looking for. I'm only going to list the ones that are pretty consistently backed by data. So there's lots of ingredients and compounds that people, we could speculate,

Starting point is 00:15:08 might help and I could tell you some that I personally find that are good for me. Other people might not notice so much, but the ones we're going to list here are the ones that the data show pretty clearly have a performance benefit or a positive effect on a workout. So the first thing is caffeine. Caffeine is the number one ingredient in every pre-workout for a reason. It is a drug. It is a stimulant. It will ramp up the CNS a little bit and it will improve your performance. I don't think I need to argue that. Everybody knows what caffeine does.

Starting point is 00:15:34 Theanine is the next one. This is an amino acid that when combined with caffeine actually enhances the effects of caffeine. Now what it does is it doesn't make the caffeine stronger. It makes it feel more focused and cleaner. no jitters, and it kind of lasts longer. It also kind of mitigates the crash. Yes. That's what I always thought. It's a smoother feel. Yeah. It makes it feel better is what it does. Again, this is all backed by data. Next up is citrulline. Citrulline does seem to increase the performance in the workout and some blood flow. that's the pump supplement

Starting point is 00:16:06 that everybody points to. The next one's beta-alanine. Now beta-alanine has been shown in the data. It improves stamina. Some people don't like the way it makes them feel. You get the tingles in their face. I personally love it. I love getting that feeling.

Starting point is 00:16:17 Makes me feel like I took something else, you know? That's working. And then lastly is betaine. Betaine has been shown in the data to improve performance in the data to improve Performance in the workout so that would be your pre workout stack that you would take so I'm gonna add Little twist two things one addressing the caffeine car series one if you're listening and you're already someone who does this the value of coming off of Caffeine for a while and then coming back on is like

Starting point is 00:16:43 Massive so if you're already somebody who consistently and you never take a break from it, taking a break, going through that misery for however long it takes to kind of wean off of it, but then reintroduce it, it's like, you know, I don't want to say it's like steroids, but it's like- You get the magic again.

Starting point is 00:17:00 Yeah, you do. It's the honeywood phase all over you. Exactly, you really get to feel the benefits of what that feels like. Right now, for some people, it's like they just do it, they have to do it just to have a normal workout they feel like, and if you're at that point, I can't suggest strongly enough that you come off

Starting point is 00:17:16 for a while, then reintroduce it, and watch what happens. Now, I have a study on caffeine. I wanna get to that in just a second, but one of our partners actually put together a pre-workout that has all the ingredients I talked about, which is Legion, Legion's Pulse. One thing about Mike, love him or hate him, we love him, is he only does what the data shows clearly.

Starting point is 00:17:39 He does not add anything that he speculates or this person said that or whatever, this exotic anything. It's like, does the data show it? Yes, what's the efficacious dose? Oh, it's that much, that's what's going in, nothing else. And he did that with Pulse, which is, I think, by the way, Pulse is like the top, top selling pre-workouts out there.

Starting point is 00:17:57 One of his best products. Because of it. Because of it. And he has all the efficacious dose. It's got a really big dose of caffeine, about 350 milligrams for a full dose. Honorable mention, cold plunge before. Oh, good call.

Starting point is 00:18:12 Yeah, honorable mention, if you have the resources or access to that, a good cold plunge before this workout. I guess you could do a cold shower, but yeah. You could do that. But if you can get in a nice little three minute cold plunge before you go into, and you follow all these steps you're talking about, that combined with all this, like look out.

Starting point is 00:18:33 That's gonna be a good lift. That's good. All right, you brought up caffeine. They actually did a study on how long you need to be off caffeine before, not just out of your system, but receptors are back to normal. Ooh, let's take a guess. Yeah, so what do you guys think?

Starting point is 00:18:46 How long do you have to be off caffeine for you to be new to caffeine again, to be a caffeine virgin all over again? Oh man, I say just like a week. So seven days? That's a good guess, I was gonna say seven, so I'll say shorter, because I think it's seven or less. I think you can be off for like three to five days.

Starting point is 00:19:04 What do you think, Doug? We're the closest, 11 days. Oh, it's 11 days. We actually found it takes about 11 days for the average person. I know it's pretty short though. It is. Because I've had some short bouts of-

Starting point is 00:19:14 I mean, you just take a couple days off. I feel the effects, yeah. You just take a couple days off. Do you know what that research says about cannabis? Because I know cannabis is low like that too. No, cannabis is longer because it's fat soluble. It stays in your system for longer, but I actually think the effects of it you get again really quick. I'm not sure. I mean,

Starting point is 00:19:30 I could be wrong, but I think cannabis is pretty quick too. Yeah, I'm not sure, but caffeine, 11 days, that's the good news. The bad news is caffeine withdrawal sucks. It's really nasty, especially the first three days. I think that's really to each person It really is depends on how high you are I'm sure I mean, I'm pretty I'm pretty Yeah, but what do you do the three days when you're off? Are you just at home chilling or you're not coming to work trying to do things? Yeah. Yeah There's been many times in this podcast you guys had no idea. I've been off caffeine for a while. I talked about when you left

Starting point is 00:20:06 Something You guys had no idea I've been off caffeine for a while. We knew. We talked about when you left. We were aware. He's off something. Adam's off something. I can tell. I went off for a little while, and those first four days. I mean, it's a drug, right? And my experience with alcohol, harder drugs, and caffeine as a drug, I really noticed that there's a genetic component of certain people.

Starting point is 00:20:26 Weed, alcohol, caffeine, doesn't bother me. Opiates, things like that. Oh my God, my body has hard withdrawal. It's interesting to me because I can go like two, maybe three days without really noticing anything. And then after that, it's like, ooh, it's the headache. It's the, you know, I definitely get the shaky. Oh, you get the like shaky. Oh you get the withdrawal But the first like if I miss like a day or two like it's not it's not a big deal. Yeah No, it's sock man. I hated it. I hated life actually felt depressed

Starting point is 00:20:58 So cannabis four weeks for receptor function to return it see however, I'll tell you this the brain changes take much longer for receptor function to return. However, I'll tell you this, the brain changes take much longer. They're doing brain imaging on people who use cannabis regularly, and when they go off, the brain effects last a lot longer than just one. I wonder why then, there's plenty of times

Starting point is 00:21:16 where I have these little three, four day bouts where I don't have any, and then the first time back after that, I'm like, whoa. Well, changes are happening, so I'm sure receptors are upregulating that, whatever. But it takes a full four weeks for it to go completely back to normal. In fact, the withdrawal from cannabis doesn't kick in

Starting point is 00:21:32 typically for a week or two weeks sometimes, because it's fat soluble. Did you guys know that, by the way, that this has actually happened to some people, where they would use a lot of cannabis, they were kind of overweight, and then they quit, and then they, four or five months later, they lose a bunch of weight,

Starting point is 00:21:49 and they'll test positive for THC. It stays in their fat. Yeah, it's fat soluble. No, I didn't know that. I've even read anecdotally, I don't know how true this is, but I've read anecdotally that people who used to smoke a lot of cannabis quit, months later lose weight, get high, from losing weight.

Starting point is 00:22:04 Like, whoa, I feel like I just had an edible. Because it gets released. I've heard anecdotes about that. That's interesting. Yeah, because it's a fat soluble compound. Speaking of which, I had this thought this morning about, you know, and the people in the health space sometimes struggle with this.

Starting point is 00:22:23 So I do think it's a good conversation. Where you get people in the health space that are really fanatical, not orthorexic, but they're getting there. Where everything has to be healthy. Everything has to be perfectly healthy. And what I think that they're missing, I actually had this conversation

Starting point is 00:22:39 with someone at the gym this morning. What I think they're missing is that quality of life also has been shown to improve longevity, but we also can't just discount quality of life. You know, like an example would be pizza unhealthy. I don't think anybody would label pizza to be a healthy food, okay? But if I'm eating pizza with my friends

Starting point is 00:23:01 who I haven't seen in a while, and we're enjoying each other's company and We're having a laugh and we're having a couple beers Physiologically, I can you know, obviously not healthy, but is it healthy for me? I would argue Yes I would argue would be a pause it would be a negative positive because the improvement in quality of life You know, how did you but how does someone? It's got to be really tough for the average person to decipher between you fool yourself

Starting point is 00:23:23 You of course because you you hear that you hear Sal say that on Mind Pump, and I'm like, well, this is good for me because I'm with my brother. He's gotta go recruit people. Yeah, yeah. Hey man, we're just being healthy. So I mean... It is an interesting thought experiment. It is, because I know that, I mean, I'll be the first to say, what did I do the other

Starting point is 00:23:44 day? Oh my God, it was so funny. It was like taking ice cream from one house to the other. The amount of seriousness and prep I did because I didn't want my ice cream to melt. I thought this is a problem. You just bought more ice cream. Yes, bro, it's just like, that I actually took this much effort

Starting point is 00:24:00 to keep from one house to the other house. You had dry ice. Yes, bro, I'm just like over like a little thing of ice cream. I'm just like, there's a problem there. You know what I'm saying? I was very aware of it as I caught myself doing it. What was the deal with you with ice cream? Was it specifically ice cream or was it just sweets in general?

Starting point is 00:24:16 Because you said when you were a kid- Sweets in general. Because you had to eat them all otherwise everybody else would eat them. Yeah, yeah. And ice cream was really special because if we could afford to have it, it would have just been, you know, it's those little carts, you know, or whatever. What is that? What is in the square?

Starting point is 00:24:31 What's in the square? Oh, that's a quart, a quart and a half or half a gallon. Maybe a half gallon, is it? Not a half. Two quarts? Yeah, something like that. It's more like two quarts is half gallon. Look up what a thrifty thing an ice cream is, whatever that is.

Starting point is 00:24:43 But for a family of six, that's not a lot. No. You know what I'm saying? There might be six scoops total in there. And like, I'm a three scoop ice cream guy, you know? So I'm not a one scoop guy. We'd have to get it from my daddy. So you had to like, you know, you had to fight for it to get it. You know what I'm saying? Or you got it one time and then you didn't get it again. And so, and I remember when I was 17 and I moved out that I just had ice cream in the freezer, like that was like I can eat it, I can eat it right out of the thing too. That was another rule in our family, you couldn't do that, like you scoop it in the bowl and it's what you get.

Starting point is 00:25:13 It is a big family thing because we, you're making me, you know, memories come back. It's like my dad would buy, he would try to find ice cream that we wouldn't eat, but we would like, so he would buy like Neapolitan, like it was like the mix of vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry. Yeah, then someone would eat the one, everybody would eat strawberry, just strawberry. The whole like one block would be missing, my dad would get so mad, I just have vanilla now,

Starting point is 00:25:35 what the, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha So I mean and if we got a thing of Oreos or whatever treat that we would we would get when my mom I'm all a grocery shop like once every two weeks and we buy in bulk, right and There would always be like one thing of cookies one thing of one. Yeah, once it's gone. That's it You don't get to potentially see it and that was a treat too. So it wasn't like every grocery shop She got that it was like, you know Maybe the first of the month when she got a check or something like that. We we got to see something like that So I think you have the one and a half courts. Yeah, that's right It was like, you know, maybe the first of the month when she got a check or something like that We got to see something like that So I think you have the one and a half quartz. Yeah, that's right So it's a one and a half quartz. So it's not a lot of ice cream

Starting point is 00:26:11 It's almost a half gallon for a family of six That goes pretty fast and you're not allowed to eat out of it. So so yeah, it's cause it all these anyways The whole point of me bringing that up is that that was a quality of life? Yeah, so I could well well, I could get, I could totally catch myself. So we just had Tina's 75th birthday at my house and they had all this cake, you know, and we had a ton left over and everybody knows that.

Starting point is 00:26:35 You like cheese. Yeah, yeah. So I come walking down the stairs and... I forgot you like cheese. And Katrina is arguing with Jerry and Tina and someone else, no, no, no, no, just that. And they're like, well, let's ask Adam. And so I come in and they're like, and she's literally got like, I mean,

Starting point is 00:26:55 we made these giant cakes, two of them like this, right? And we had a quarter of the people that we thought would be there. And so like there's a full, and she's got this mound, and then there's this little Tupperware of like pieces and Katrina's like, this is what he gets. And they're like, Adam, what do you want this or that? And I'm like, Oh, you know, there's a part of me that's pulled to like give me the big thing.

Starting point is 00:27:17 Give me the big old thing. That's like a. Cake is weird. It's one of those things that if you, if it's not a birthday or a celebration and you're buying cake to eat it, there probably is a problem. It's like sad. Didn't I tell you what happened last time we had boys weekend? This is so bad. So bad. I did this. So, uh, and again, here we go. Justifying, oh, it's boys weekend, but I bought a whole Paris baguette cake for Max and I for the weekend. I know he got, I gave him like a little sliver sliver for him.

Starting point is 00:27:49 And I ate the rest of the cake myself, you know, so, you know, so this is what I mean is like, and there's this like, Oh, there's the bonding time. My son and I were having, you know, he doesn't ever get to really do this. Like deep down, I'm like, I'm closing myself on that. When in reality I'm feeding an addiction. That's the only time I go look, I never go buy sweets with the kids because it just, it drives me crazy,

Starting point is 00:28:11 but if Courtney's gone, I'm taking them, and we're going to get cookies. That's just our thing, dude. Do you run into, well your kids are a little older now, Justin, but I've been running into this with my little ones. If I give them a treat, or if I get them a toy, all it does, they're happy, and then they want more, and then they cry.

Starting point is 00:28:30 I'm like, I should have never given you this in the first place. I'll give like, my daughter, I'll give her six jelly beans, right, here have some jelly beans, she's so excited. She dances, my daughter will dance. And then she'll eat them all, she'll be like, more? And I'll be like, no more honey, ah! What did I do, I should have given you none of that.

Starting point is 00:28:44 I have a theory on that because Max is not like that he's we have said he's got he's got such a good relationship with it because of course I was so worried about my own right so I probably overcompensated a little bit by saying no for so long but I think because he was told no for so long he's just. He's so grateful to get a bite of something. I kid you not. Oh father please, thank you father. I kid you not. I could literally, he could ask for something and then if I give in. That's the secret. I need to give my kids nothing. No, that's what I mean. I really think, I think I waited so long that finally when dad gave

Starting point is 00:29:18 to him it was like, hey I'll give you, you can have a bite. You know what I'm saying? And then it was like a bite was all you got. And so he's just so appreciative of getting any of it. And I also think it conditioned his palate so much that it's too much for him if he has a bunch of it. So he's also got to a point where he's just like, he'll pass something up. There's been times I've given him a full cupcake and he's just like, he eats half of it and leaves it.

Starting point is 00:29:38 That was my dad's argument when we were growing up. He would always tell us that when he was a kid, you know what my toys were? He used to love telling us. You know what I used to play with? A stick. A stick and a tire. I used to have a tire.

Starting point is 00:29:49 And that's what I played with all the time. It was my favorite toy. I'm like, what are you talking about? A tire? Who plays with a tire? He did. He played with a tire. Oh, dude.

Starting point is 00:29:59 I played with bugs, dude. That was his favorite toy. It's so hard. I get it as parents, because you love to see the kids light up, and you want them to enjoy it, all these things like that, but then you create a monster, you do, and then it's hard to back it out.

Starting point is 00:30:12 You know what's another mistake that I've made now a few times that I'm not gonna do anymore, is I think it's gonna be fun, we go on a walk, and where I live, there's this really cool toy store that's got really cool toys, like learning toys, and toys you don't typically find at a toy store. So I'll walk over there and I'll tell my son, you get to pick out a toy.

Starting point is 00:30:31 Mistake, because it's too many choices. He doesn't know what to get. I don't know what to get, and I'm there forever, and I make a choice for him. You're getting this, you know? And then he's unhappy about it. Yeah, dude. He gets all, like, is this too much? It's like trying to find something to watch on TV these days, you know what I mean? You unhappy about it. Yeah, dude. He gets all like, is this too much? You know, it's like trying to find something

Starting point is 00:30:45 to watch on TV these days, you know what I mean? You're searching for hours or whatever. It's so true. I know, so annoying. Speaking of fitness and stuff, are you guys, so I just got, who sent this to me? One of our, oh, that's who it was. I think it was Margaret when I was on their call

Starting point is 00:30:59 last night with our staff. There's a hashtag, and it's like this movement that's happening on social media, they're calling it Skinny Talk. Skinny Talk? Skinny and then talk, like TikTok. So it's a hashtag and it's all these, and they call it like tough love, but I went through and started looking at what they're saying

Starting point is 00:31:17 and it's not good. It's not healthy. Was it like shaming people? No, it's like if your stomach is grumbling, pretend like your stomach's applauding you or something like that. What? Yeah, dude, and it's like tough love, like, oh, if you're hungry, that's not. It's like if your stomach is grumbling, pretend like your stomach's applauding you or something like that. What? Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 00:31:26 And it's like tough love. Like, you know, oh, if you're hungry, that's a good thing and don't give in. It's like this group of mostly women who are shaming each other into getting really skinny. Interesting. Yeah. Young or older, what's the age you look like?

Starting point is 00:31:40 I haven't done a ton of looking, but it seems. It's TikTok, so I imagine young. It seems like mostly younger You know 20 something year old whatever, you know fitness people and it's just about getting skin It's not about like any kind of exercise or anything about losing weight about losing weight not eating eating less don't eat too much Yeah, it's not like one of the popular. So it's so Talk dangerous about the internet is that? There's enough sadistic people that like that and

Starting point is 00:32:07 want that for that to get traction. Well, then it also ends up capturing a lot of people that are on the fence or shouldn't be and so with that, but there's enough, like that doesn't get traction if a majority of people are like, this is a terrible idea. But there's enough people that are like, I needed to hear that. Well, a part of it, we this in our in the fitness space right the most ripped jacked People are the most likely to have really bad body image issues and have

Starting point is 00:32:37 Poor relationship to food, you know body dysmorphia They're the most likely part of the reason why they look the way they do is because they're completely obsessed and they have no Relationships they have no life all they do is focus on how they look But because they look the way they do they post on social media and they get a lot of attention Yeah, so everybody is getting information from psychos. You're getting information not from healthy people obsessive psychos Right. So what they're communicating is what they think is good information, like being hungry is a good thing, you know, whatever,

Starting point is 00:33:09 or you know, pain is weakness leaving the body, go beast mode, whatever. And so the average person sees this thing, oh this is the fitness guy, he knows what he's talking about. No, no, no, he's unhealthy. Don't listen to that guy. I mean, let's be honest, the fitness space is... I feel like it's gonna ramp up even more. Well, we've glorified body dysmorphia for a long time. I mean, all of us have some form of it. I mean, if really the goal, okay, what, first of all, our industry didn't exist 50 years ago

Starting point is 00:33:38 because it wasn't necessary. Nobody was fat, nobody was eating too much, right? We didn't have all this stuff. Then that happens and it's like, oh shit, we need to do this. Okay, here comes the fitness industry to save the day, to get us healthier. And then healthy ends up pendulum swings so far that it becomes healthy as this jacked look.

Starting point is 00:33:58 And then we professionals that are jacked looking, we talk about, oh, it's all about being healthy. But no, it's actually like a formative body dysmorphia because I didn't need, you didn't need to go that far to be healthy. You went way past it. You're past healthy. Yeah, you're way past it. Like it was 4%, 5%, 7% ago was healthy and you kept going for your own body dysmorphia issues. And so, and then we've even, and we've even convinced the consumer that, like if you don't look that way, then I would never hire you because I don't want someone who doesn't live that brand

Starting point is 00:34:29 or doesn't know how to discipline themselves. And it's like, we've completely distorted what health looks like. We're right back to it just because, I mean, we get it through the body positivity side of things, you know, on the other end of the pendulum. And then, you know, all the mannequins now are like obese. And this is like the new standard of health.

Starting point is 00:34:49 You're right. It's like this. Yeah, we're just like, just slide right back into the old shaming stuff. It's like, it's crazy to me. It's just poor health is common. That's really what this is, Justin, is what Sal's highlighting right now.

Starting point is 00:35:01 It's just an overcorrection from that. It's all bad health. It's all poor health. Yeah. It's all about balance, too. Like, it's just an overcorrection from that. It's all bad health, it's all poor health. Yeah, it's all about balance, dude. It's always been the case. People innately, they know that. I don't know why it's so compelling. It's tough, man.

Starting point is 00:35:15 The data on especially girls, young girls, teenage girls, they should not be on social media. They should not be on social media. They should not be on social media. The connection between anxiety, body dysmorphia, eating disorders with girls, and how long they're on social media, and what they look at is ridiculous. It's insane. And if you look at the things

Starting point is 00:35:37 that are geared towards these girls, I mean, it's terrible. It's not good. It's not. No, I mean, you're talking about that. Like, you guys, I know you haven't seen that show yet, but that show goes deep on Yeah, I'm almost afraid to watch it. I'm afraid I mean I we all should just because I just think it's an important

Starting point is 00:35:54 I mean it's important for us to continue to communicate this message to all the other parents that are out there right now that maybe on the fence of letting their kids get on these platforms or not. And it's just, it's, there's not a lot of positive things that you can say can convince me now of like why you would get them on that platform. I just don't, I don't see it. I don't see what, what positively comes out. And I get that they would try and make this case of like, Oh, well, you know, they meet with their friends, kids will find a way to talk to their friends.

Starting point is 00:36:26 Kids will find a way to do all that shit. They don't need to be on Instagram or Tik Tok or Snapchat in order to do that. And what you don't see is all the stuff that they're doing. And their brains just aren't formed yet, where they even realize like, well, that's the thing I got from this watching this show is just like, a lot of these little girls are just, they're so young and naive. They're just, they're getting positive reinforcement, which is addicting to adults. I mean, everyone in here knows what it's like to post something on Instagram and then check back to see if you got likes or not. Okay, if we have felt our own pull to check that, what do you think a 13-year-old...

Starting point is 00:37:03 Kids are wired for that. Wired. And so, and then they don't, they're not going like, is this morally right? It's just like, more of that. Oh, more of whatever that... I gotta get more. Yeah, more of that. I gotta do more of that.

Starting point is 00:37:15 And it's like, and there's a part of them that's actually very innocent about it that just is, is just getting this positive reinforcement. And so they think it's okay. And then if we have parents that aren't paying attention to it, then it just runs wild, man. And it's like, how do you put the toothpaste back in after you've let it out like that? Yeah, it's like with my, I have a 15 year old and we limit, and I monitor it,

Starting point is 00:37:35 because I have to monitor it, because if I don't monitor it and the limits somehow get turned off or some update happens, she won't say anything. She'll just keep staying on there. And so we've limited her to like 15 minutes on social media platforms. And part of the reason why it's limited

Starting point is 00:37:52 and not completely gone is there's a part of me that's like, because I had a friend whose parents were so strict with certain things that when he got out of the house, he went crazy in the opposite direction. So that's the tough thing. I mean, I told you guys, again, I'm so far from this, so I could be so way off base. Maybe I fail at it and I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Starting point is 00:38:16 But I'm convinced that, and this is why I think, your situation, both of you, because the cat's out of the bag, right? It's harder now. But because I'm, he's still so young, I have this opportunity that when that comes knocking at the door and he really wants to do that, he's gonna have to read those books.

Starting point is 00:38:35 And he's gonna have to be able to report to me what he learned from those books. That's your first to get you, even the possibility to use it is that. So that already is gonna create a barrier because when he's a certain age, he's not gonna be too lazy to even do that, that's fine, you're too lazy to do that,

Starting point is 00:38:48 you can't have social media. Once you're ready for it, it's after you read that. Then after he reads that and he can explain that to me, then you'll have an understanding, not from me, from a brilliant author who sold millions of books and multiple books, not just one, that are telling them the dangers of this. And then he understands why dad says,

Starting point is 00:39:07 hey, you can only use this in the living room. You can only do this for this long. And then we can talk about how you're gonna be able to manage this. You know what I'll say is, just from experience, is the most, I think the most important thing, is aligning with parents who have similar values so that their friends are like they are.

Starting point is 00:39:26 Otherwise it gets real, it's like all my friends are doing this and I can't... The friends take a lot of influence. Yes, dude. And so yeah, and this is to like the earlier point of when we were like having to decide whether or not this environment was a good fit, you know, for, and like if this friend group was, and I went in and hijacked and pulled them out because I was like, no, this isn't going in a direction I like, and so we're going to shake it up. There's going to be pain points because it's like, they like hanging out with those people, like, you know, there's gonna be fights involved, but it was the best decision because now it's like

Starting point is 00:40:07 You do kind of have to lead and and place in front of them better Better opportunities for that better kids that are like handling it better I mean, you're not gonna have a lot of control over that obviously as I get into high school and like course, you know all of that It's like you're pretty much what you've established is what you've established So yeah in the beginning and like getting involved like that. I think that's everything you can do that You can't do more than that I mean

Starting point is 00:40:33 I think you're so right and I think that's the biggest takeaway or what I take away from it is just being aware and involved Involved in it because like and I shared with you guys the the recent finding that I had of like one of max's friends that His parents don't let him use iPad. That's like I encourage that friendship like crazy Yes, because I know how the parents are with the iPad Yeah, exactly, so that's like that's become his best friend and I am he's at an age where I can kind of control that You know I'm saying in my and's fostered relationship with the mother. And so they see each other, they're best of friends now. And so it's like, I'm gonna try and involve myself

Starting point is 00:41:12 as much as I can and be aware of those things, those friendships and do my best as a parent of fostering those until I can. Because you're right, at some point he gets his license, he's in high school and he's gonna hang out with whoever he wants. But I think if you've done that for 10, 12, 13 years, 14 years of their life you've probably laid a pretty solid foundation that you still have that to lean on. Doesn't mean

Starting point is 00:41:36 it's gonna be perfect or I guarantee it's gonna work but it gives you a fighting chance I feel like versus just being like whatever, laissez faire about it or not paying attention whatsoever or even caring what the kids that he's hanging around with right now or how the parents parent them. The best moments for me are when they come to you and admit that they have this like pull to it and they have an addiction and they're like, they don't want like, dad, this is, you know, this is something that like I'm struggling with this. And I'm like, oh, wow. And then we've had that conversation a few times.

Starting point is 00:42:09 And so it's a lot of involvement that you really have to peer into that. Because two, we know how much of a thing it is just with us personally, and how hard it is for me. And we grew up with it. I can justify it so many different ways and they feel the same way It's like everything that they're involved in is important their whole friend group is important This is important his work is for us, you know And it's like and they're missing out on this party or they're this or that of the other

Starting point is 00:42:37 And so, you know, I have to be the bad guy a lot of times a bit You know, we talk our way through that and then you know, some of them all compromise But that's to me that's that's so that's everything right there, right? And that's why my theory is if I make him read those books and he's aware of it not coming from dad But aware from it from somebody else right is your intention with it and then and then he's likely Like let's say that he like again, I still am allowing him some sort of freedom that when he starts in he's like, oh shit I'm starting to do some of the things that book said and then maybe he'll come to me. He's aware Yeah, he's aware where the average kid is just unaware

Starting point is 00:43:13 They just they look at their peers and it's just it's normal for them all to sit at a table together and all of them be Like this and none of them talking to each other like that's just like still drives me oblivious I was some days. I want to blow it up. Bro, because I'm like if you if you if you do that at least I feel like my kid will because I can't stop him from at lunchtime or at school one time sitting a table like that but he hopefully will be the kid who goes like oh wow this is what that's what I read about this is what I read about this is what my dad was talking about because he's aware of it versus I never had that conversation,

Starting point is 00:43:46 I just hope for the best. And it's like, no, then he's going to do whatever the dumb kid does. You know what's interesting about this conversation is the data on what's the youngest generation that they're, what do they call it? Gen Z? Oh yeah, Gen Z. Is it Gen Z or IG? Which one's?

Starting point is 00:43:59 I think it's IG. Yeah, so what they're showing, the data on Gen Z is interesting. A lot of them are trying not to go on social media. Because they're showing, the data on Gen Z is interesting. They, a lot of them are trying not to go on social media. A lot of them are trying to avoid things like pornography, trying to avoid having smartphones, which is weird because who does that? This generation is doing that. There's a huge interest in religion, which is a decades, that's been on the decline for decades and we're seeing a reversal. And I think it may have just gotten so bad. Yeah, that's it. I hope that it's in the same trajectory of smoking. Like we could see,

Starting point is 00:44:39 you see how that all was in every movie, it was cool, like, you know, cool kids are doing what and then everybody like it's so different now to see somebody smoking and it's just like oh that's I agree I think it's I think that we're just we we've lived before and after and we're in this time with our kids during it that I do think that the this this gen Z generation come up when the kids will be in high school and then they're sitting around a table and there's kids that are doing that, they're gonna be like, what are you doing?

Starting point is 00:45:07 We're all together. Yeah, we're all together. Right here, dude. Yeah, you know, it's funny, speaking of which, did you guys see American Idol, what they did? Was it like a few days ago or a week ago? No. So you guys are familiar with American Idol, right?

Starting point is 00:45:20 Seeing competition. Generation Alpha is the younger one. Oh, the newest one's Generation Beta, interesting. So what American Idol did, which I never would have thought they would have done in a million years, they had a worship night. They had a night where most of the- Mainstream TV.

Starting point is 00:45:38 Most of the contenders were singing religious music and most of it was Christian. You know who the artists were? What a swing, dude. I'm was Christian. You know who the artist was? Swing, dude. I'm so suspicious. I'm so suspicious. My tin foil hat's never been on so hard, bro, lately, with that stuff.

Starting point is 00:45:53 For real, dude, for real. Brandon Lake opened so quick. The 180 TVs made so hard, man. Do you know who Brandon, you guys know who Brandon Lake is? He's the guy that came out and opened. He's like a huge, I went to one of his concerts. Yeah. And they were like, uh, Carrie Underwood. That's pretty crazy.

Starting point is 00:46:07 Sang a, a, a Christian song and had all these artists. This is American Idol. Yeah. Of all places. Like what is happening? I don't trust it. I mean, I think it's cool. So what do you, what do you, what do you think they're doing?

Starting point is 00:46:18 I, I just don't trust it. I just think it's- You don't think they're following consumers? I think they're trying to follow consumers. That's all. Well, yeah, of course. But again, I don't think it's rooted in good I think they're trying to follow consumers, that's all. Well, yeah, of course. But again, I don't think it's rooted in good. No.

Starting point is 00:46:28 You feel good. I feel good about watching it because it aligns with your values. But is it any different than the other side? It's no different. This time, it aligns with you. So now the other side's pissed off. Yeah, but at least.

Starting point is 00:46:40 Now the atheist is all mad. Like, what is this bullshit? Now we got to watch. The atheists are already mad. Yeah. Yes already mad I just I mean to me like what what I'm not sold on is I'm not excited because I feel like it's it's not Rooted in the right things. It's not like we're not I don't think they're doing because they're trying to help society or Move in a direction that's better for us. It's oh oh, this is like, we're now on this conservative kick, so now we're gonna move over in this direction.

Starting point is 00:47:06 What's cool about it, though, is that so many people are emboldened and encouraged by it. So social media, see all these people posting the Carrie Underwood song, and they're just like, oh my god, this is awesome, I can't believe this song, Primetime. Well, just so you know, that same feeling that you have, the woke side of the culture

Starting point is 00:47:22 was saying that the last five years. Finally, we feel supported and emboldened, and now you're that side. But the other thing, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, I'm not excited about it. I mean, you would have gotten me excited about it 20 years ago because I'd be naive to what's going on, but it's like,

Starting point is 00:47:40 man, this 180 is too fast. My point is, I agree, my point is it's reflecting the consumer Which is is just showing us that there is a shift. Yeah, there is a cultural shift. That's how I'm being convinced I see a Disney movie. That's like they did full-on That occurred about that yeah, they had a character they will I there's something else I heard too about Disney that they're making a move that direction now, too I forgot what it was I wish I was a last like sort of strong they're like holding strong like to this like like ideology No, they're we're not gonna they're moving the other direction. I saw something to I can't

Starting point is 00:48:14 Money, well, that's just it. Yeah, you got it. Yeah, it's just so here The way I look at it is I don't look at American Idol go. Yeah American Idol. They're good now or yay I look at it like it's a reflection of culture. And I think culture is shit. Yeah, I mean on that note, I'm with you because of course it's, I mean they're on my team now, so I'm like positive about it, but it's like, then it's only a matter of time

Starting point is 00:48:36 before it goes the other direction, right? I mean it's like, so how long do we get? My fear, my, you know, you said. How long do we get? Yeah, how long do we get, you know, so that a good point. How long do we do it? Yeah, how long do we get? You know what I'm saying? So that's my fear is that what I have noticed in my short 40 something years of being on this earth

Starting point is 00:48:50 is like because of social media and the internet now, these swings are faster. Fast. They're big and fast. Yeah, it used to be like decades you get to run. You know what I'm saying? We're not. So enjoy this shit while it lasts

Starting point is 00:49:01 because devil worshiping is on fucking next week. Yeah. Yeah, but then you see like, Kanye. You get a week, dog. You see like Kanye getting all like, freaking Nazi in there, and it's like, what the fuck?

Starting point is 00:49:13 Did you guys hear about what he said? He's lost his mind. No, did you hear what he said? He's saying crazy stuff. Did you hear what he said? I did, I did. He's saying off the wall shit, bro. Yeah, there was some,

Starting point is 00:49:22 you talked about some sexual abuse stuff that happened when he was a kid. Oh, I didn't see that. Oh, really? Oh, look up Kanye West, yeah, dude. Who do you say did it? Did he say it was Diddy? Another diddler?

Starting point is 00:49:34 He had a cousin, I think it was a cousin, he had a cousin who used to make him do things to him. Oh, wow. Up until he was 14 or something like that. Wow. Yeah. What's going on with Diddy right now? What is up with that? I don't follow all that stuff, so are we, or? I don't know where that's at. I like that. Wow. Yeah, what's going on with Diddy right now? What is it? What is up with? I don't follow all that stuff. So we are I know where that's I think that he know

Starting point is 00:49:50 I stopped looking at all this stuff anymore because Epstein's never coming out, you know, none of this like information As much as they wanted to promise that we're gonna get all this transparency It's like you start to understand there's so many like really powerful world leaders involved in this that it's like they're just going to go ahead and yeah well whatever happened that way back out of it whatever happened to that big stunt that happened where Trump had or whoever had all these conservative influencers come out they had all the logs and they had all this top secret information we were like and then we hear nothing. All a stunt. Big stunt, big PR stunt. Nothing. It looks like he was a part of a big,

Starting point is 00:50:28 a big, I guess, plan to blackmail people through his island. Of course. And there's so many people implicated that. You know why. They can't just leave you left and right. I mean that whole thing is. Too many on each side, so both teams are like,

Starting point is 00:50:43 hey, let's just agree. Yeah, we'll just cover it on the road, bro. Are you on the list? Yeah. Let's cover it. Yeah, and just from, I don't know, I brought up chaos and all from Tom O'Neill, that book. And it just was so enlightening in terms

Starting point is 00:50:56 of what the strategies, like the CIA already was implementing. And it's like they were using cultural figures and people to influence and Capture them and like they would give them like this get out of jail free pass Yeah, it's so like of course they were doing that with Diddy of course they were doing that with Epstein it's because you know They get all this Intel and they get it on like powerful people and this is literally like the intelligence world. Like you think it's all clean

Starting point is 00:51:27 and they have like little spy cool stuff. They just use sex, dude. And then they use it against them and it's been the oldest trick ever. I think that's a bit misguided to think that there's a good guy and a bad guy. I think it's a lot of gray. A lot of gray and a lot of oh shit, we're the bad guy.

Starting point is 00:51:44 Yeah. Oh, I thought we're the bad guy. Yeah. Oh, I thought we were the good guys. What? Nobody told me that. Hey, speaking of good guys. I was gonna say, speaking of celebrities. Well, yeah, speaking of celebrities, Justin sent something the other day

Starting point is 00:51:55 that I didn't know about that. Did you see that they signed, Viore signed Archie Manning? Yeah. So okay, who is that? Is he obviously related to? Peyton. Peyton. Yeah, yeah, it's his son. Is he Peyton? Yeah, yeah, it's his son.

Starting point is 00:52:05 Is he a badass? Well, I think it's his nephew. Oh, it's not his son? Yeah, yeah, so yeah, it's his son. I had to link this up, because I was like, I thought, I was like, which kid is this? Is he high school, college?

Starting point is 00:52:17 He's college, he's college. So he's already good? Yeah. Yeah, all right. He's got that pedigree. Why did I think it was his son? I totally thought it was his son. I thought so too.

Starting point is 00:52:25 So just to clarify. I'm glad you fact-checked because I was wrong about that. Didn't you say they were opening a store in Palm Desert too? Yeah, they did. They opened it. When I went there, I was like, oh wow,

Starting point is 00:52:33 because I hadn't heard about it and it's right off of that strip. It was cool, dude. We got to walk down and I didn't use my, hey, I promote you guys all the time. You know? You sponsor me. You sponsor me.

Starting point is 00:52:48 But I was looking for some good meta shorts because it was hot out there and those are my favorite. Did you see they also, they tripled the size of the Santana Road store. Oh yeah, they moved it. They did. They took over that H&M, which we had a two story, huge one.

Starting point is 00:53:04 It's the most, it's so crazy. I never in my life has anybody ever said, hey, is that, now that when I've heard of Viori, at least, I don't know, not super often, but more often than ever in my life. It's like at least a few times, at least four to five times a year, somebody will come up to me and say,

Starting point is 00:53:19 oh, you like Viori? Oh, I know you. I'm like what? I think the most interesting thing for me about Viori is, and for the listeners for a long time, they know this. We were the first company to advertise with them, right? So well before they had- That's why they're so famous now.

Starting point is 00:53:32 Well, so there used to be a time eight years ago when I saw somebody wearing Viori, there was a 50-50 shot, they were mic-buff listeners. You must be listening to us. Yeah, I could, especially if they were fit. If you were fit and you weren't Viori I'd be like And then it was like yes where they are so big now and I still have that where I'm like

Starting point is 00:53:52 I want to do this but now it's like they probably don't Adam. They probably don't guess there's way more people Yeah, so it's been wild to watch their growth and where they're at now I mean, they're just dom. What's cool is all these, I mean, because retail, it seems like it's back, like full force, you know? Because for a while there, it was pretty bleak. Everybody was going to the online. They started in the online, I'm pretty sure, right?

Starting point is 00:54:14 And then came and went to the stores. Their first store was Encinitas, right? That's where we went. Wasn't that one of their first stores? That's a good question. I think that was their first. I believe that's their number one. That was what we went to.

Starting point is 00:54:22 Yeah, I believe that was the first one they launched. Okay, so I wanna mention this, because this is happening on the 19th, so we gotta let people know ahead of time, we've never done this before, but we're going to do a three-part bonus series of episodes. It's gonna be mind-pumped, but it's for trainers. It's only for trainers.

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Starting point is 00:56:03 So obviously if you're, you have a lot of weight to lose, well you're gonna be spending more time in a cut, in a proper cut, right, appropriate cut, than you would in a, let's say, reverse diet, which you could also loosely label as a bulk. But for most people, if you're fit and healthy, most of the time you'll spend in right around maintenance. You'll be mostly right around maintenance,

Starting point is 00:56:25 which you're never really in maintenance, okay? You're typically toggling back and forth between a cut and a hole. Yeah, because you can't ever perfectly calculate maintenance, but you're gonna eat right around there and you're gonna exercise and improve your performance and you'll add calories when you need more energy and strength

Starting point is 00:56:38 and you'll cut them down and you feel a little bit of digestive issues or some bloat or some inflammation and you move back and forth based off of how you feel but if you're fit and healthy I mean you can create seasons for yourself the standard you know traditional one would be like summers a cut, winters a bulk. I like that for some people because especially the holidays you know it's weird because it's like it seems so stereotypical but you start to holidays with a bulk. Yeah, it's weird because it seems so stereotypical, but you start to realize how that lines up.

Starting point is 00:57:08 And it's like it makes a lot of sense, too. If you can get more calories in, you need to consume vitamin D versus you're not going to get a lot of it because it's cloudy. And too, just the activity part, you can be more active in the summer. So I don't know. It kind of makes sense. I really like the idea of, you're going to be more active in the summer. So I don't know. It kind of makes sense.

Starting point is 00:57:25 I really like the idea of, OK, there's two types of people that don't fall in this category, right? So if you are a ectomorph, you really struggle with putting weight on and building muscle and bulking, then you're going to spend a big portion of your year probably bulking because it's difficult for you and believe it or not more often than not you probably accidentally fall out of that and so you're focused in that direction because you need to gain weight or want to gain

Starting point is 00:57:53 weight. The other side is the the person who needs to lose like you said a lot of weight you got to lose 100 pounds or even if it's 50 pounds you you're gonna spend most of that year probably in a cut with these many interrupted bulks or maintenance weeks. Then everybody else, if you're relatively healthy and fit and I think you should do cuts and bulks way more frequently, like all the time. But what it looks like is what Sal said. You're kind of hovering around maintenance. Yeah, you're kind of hovering around maintenance, but it's never maintenance. It's always a cut or a bulk,

Starting point is 00:58:26 which means you have periods where you're bulking. Yeah, exactly. And so that's what it looks like. I think people tend to make a mistake in aggressively bulking and aggressively cutting, and you don't need to. You just, you can easily hover around maintenance and you're gonna have these periods of time when you're in bulk and then when you're in a cut and for the person that's in a healthy place body fat this is where they should spend their time is kind of hovering around that. Yeah. That's kind of how I would give this advice. I for me personally I judge it based off how I feel for the most part bulking for me me is, well, I'm getting stronger.

Starting point is 00:59:05 I'm pushing more weight. And then the cut typically happens when I start to notice my joint pain, my inflammation. I'm just not feeling as good. Okay, I need to reduce my food intake, so I'll start to cut it down a little bit. The truth is, if you have a healthy relationship with food and you're consistently exercising

Starting point is 00:59:22 and you're listening to your body and you're eating the stuff that you know is good, you're trying to eat your protein and you're sticking exercising and you're listening to your body and you're you know, you're eating, you know, the stuff that you know is good. You're trying to eat your protein and you're sticking to whole natural foods. Your body will naturally put waiver between cutting and bulking on its own. You'll find appetite will go up sometimes, sometimes down a little bit. And that's, it's kind of probably most of the way you should live for the most part. Next question is from Jennifer Ashton-Fitt. For those who generally despise social media, how would you recommend using it effectively to grow your business? How do you find a good balance? The advice I give to, obviously we help a lot of trainers and coaches, right? We have over a

Starting point is 00:59:58 thousand trainers in our course, in our private forum, where we're constantly giving advice and helping along and this is a common question. And I think that, I think I went about it all wrong when I first was introduced to social media and was trying to figure it out and was chasing the wrong things like trying to go viral, trying to get lots of followers. I think that's a terrible strategy. Both, not only for somebody who hates social media, but even for somebody who say likes it and wants to grow it. I think that's a terrible strategy. Both not only for somebody who hates social media,

Starting point is 01:00:25 but even for somebody who say likes it and wants to grow it. I think that's a terrible idea. I think a better strategy is service your current client base. So let's pretend you only have a handful of clients, but you train those handful of clients a couple of times a week. And every time you train a client,

Starting point is 01:00:42 whether it's in person or virtually, they ask you questions and they have challenges. They fall off the diet, they don't know how many grams of this to eat, they feel this pain when they work out. Everything I just said, that's a post. Every time a client asks you a question, that should be a mental note for yourself to go, oh, I should make a post about that. And then the way it looks is you're serving your current client, so now you've created this nice post that has some copy that basically breaks down

Starting point is 01:01:16 why your client, you don't single them out, but let's say they're bothered on knee pain and they're bothered on knee pain because their IT is tight and it's pulling on it. And so you taught them how to foam roll and do some hip mobility before they work out and it alleviated that. So teach that to the five people following you on Instagram and don't care if thousands of people see it because you're doing a solid for your people, but you will also attract other people that that helps and that's how you grow it. You know what's great about that? It's literally

Starting point is 01:01:48 what we experienced even in the physical gym because when you're training your clients, you're always getting observed and people were constantly shopping you and you're not looking, but you're talking to your clients, you're engaging with your clients, you're teaching, you're educating and people are listening and they're picking up on all this stuff. So, if you can do this and portray that and magnify that, then it's a better way to attract clients anyway. The only people that, because here's what I think what happens with a lot of people who have a business, is they look at social media-based businesses and they look at them

Starting point is 01:02:22 and say, okay, well, what are they doing? That's what I need to do. The only businesses that need to focus heavily on social media or reach lots of people and maybe get viral, which is good luck with that, are businesses that are 100% social media based. But most businesses are not. Most businesses, social media helps add value

Starting point is 01:02:41 to their current business. And that's the way you need to look at it, is here's my business, how can I use social media to add value to their current business and that's the way you need to look at it is here's my business how can I use social media to add value to my current business and the way you do it look what Adam said is how can I create social media that adds value to my customers my current customers let me do that and through that process your social media will become very valuable to your business but if I have a business let's say I have a brick-and-mortar business and I'm like, I'm gonna go viral

Starting point is 01:03:05 on social media, waste of time. You're wasting your time, that social media is gonna bring you no value, you're not gonna go viral, good luck with that, and if you do, that doesn't even mean much, many people go viral and do nothing with it. It's not bringing you any value, you're spending a lot of time doing it. Instead, think, how can I add value to my current business with social media?

Starting point is 01:03:26 And so what it looks like is here's my customers, here's my clients, what content can I create that's gonna help them? And just do that, that's all you gotta do. And that automatically makes it valuable. We talk in the course, there's a section in our course where we talk, and I share that, like how I used to, I was the young trainer who had no certs, no experience.

Starting point is 01:03:46 Everybody was smarter, more experienced, but more fit than I was. Good, I had all the success. Well, part of that was I wasn't afraid, one, to admit I didn't know. And then when I didn't know, I'd instantly go look it up. As soon as I'd look it up and learn what it was, I'd turn around and I would teach my peers, the 12 other trainers that work with me. And then now I knew the information. And that was a huge strategy for growth for myself.

Starting point is 01:04:07 The only difference, that was 20 something years ago. The only difference today that would raise, instead of me going and having to go tell eight other trainers, I could tell it online. So I would just post it. And that would be my way of doing that. Every time I don't know something, I'm gonna go look it up, I'm gonna learn.

Starting point is 01:04:22 When I learn about it, I'm gonna share with my tiny little community because I'm not big and famous yet. I only have ten people paying attention to me. Who cares? But I'm gonna share with those ten people this newfound knowledge that I just learned and hopefully I can help them because it helped me. And I'm just gonna keep doing that every and every day. And you've already made your business more valuable. And if you're in this field to be a good trainer, or you want to be in this field long term, you definitely should probably be learning and picking up

Starting point is 01:04:53 things almost on a daily basis, whether that or organically happening from the clients that you're teaching and helping and then running into things that you've got to troubleshoot and figure out, or actively going out and seeking new found knowledge. Both those serve you as a great driver of Instagram content or social media content. And so don't overcomplicate it. Don't overthink it.

Starting point is 01:05:14 Don't get caught up in the likes and follows and all the metrics that they try and sell you that are so important, go service your people. And then it'll grow from there. Next question is from Abby AF. How do you know if you're over training? I'm a 40 year old women woman who lifts weights four days a week and does hit cardio two days a week. Um, okay.

Starting point is 01:05:39 So, so I could go through the list of symptoms of over training, right? So like sore joints, not progressing, fatigue, my sleep is disrupted, strong cravings, blah, blah, blah. But here's another easy test. Easy test. Take your current volume. Four days a week of strength training. Two days cut in half.

Starting point is 01:06:00 If you get stronger and you get better performance, you're overtraining. I mean what an easy answer, right? Because the other stuff can be so subjective, Cut in half, see what happens. Two day, cut in half. If you get stronger and you get better performance, you're over training. I mean, what an easy answer, right? Because the other stuff can be so subjective, like am I getting the greatest sleep, or am I? A lot of people fool themselves. Do I have joint pain?

Starting point is 01:06:14 Yeah. By the way, extreme over training is obvious to people. I think people know when they're doing it, oh my god, I'm burnt out. But a lot of people, especially fitness fanatics, are in this kind of like, this is as much as I can tolerate and I can do it and I think I'm okay because I do it and I complete my workouts and I keep going. Then you ask them questions like, are you getting stronger? Not really. Is your performance improving? Not really. Have you plateaued?

Starting point is 01:06:36 Yeah, kind of. Maybe it's a diet thing. It's like, try this. Cut your volume in half. It won't hurt you. For two weeks, strength train two days a week and you hit cardio one day a week So cut everything in half and if you notice Improvements in energy and performance. It's almost like if you're asking this question you could pretty much assume The majority of people probably are well and the reason why this this advice that Sal just gave is so good is because Just the 40 year old woman thing doesn't even matter. It's all the other factors we don't know. We don't know what your personal life is,

Starting point is 01:07:11 we don't know how many kids you have, we don't know what your work hours look like, we don't know how stressed you are, we don't know your sleep, we don't know your diet, and all those variables take, and that's why too, if anyone were to ever, by the way, you'd be a terrible trainer, if the terrible trainer is like, oh no, that's fine, it's like, well, I can't say that's why too if anyone were to ever by the way you'd be a terrible trainer if the terrible trainer is like oh no that's fine what's like well I can't say that's fine because I don't know all those things

Starting point is 01:07:30 and in the context of all those things I just listed let's say that they're not great in a lot of those things then four days a week could absolutely be over training or it could be absolutely perfect and not or maybe it's not enough no it's normally not not enough with fitness people that are training four days a week or more and doing a hit cardio It's normally teetering on the too much. So the advice Sal's giving is like such easy. It's easy test It's like cut in half. You're not gonna lose gains. You're not gonna get fat during that way You're gonna be fine. And then the question you have to ask yourself is after those two weeks Do you feel better look better or move better stronger asleep better if all those things go up then it's like oh shit

Starting point is 01:08:08 I was over training. There's your something. I'm gonna go less go Next question is from Sammy girl DC. Would it be fine to run Maps aesthetic two times in a row? I am completing my first time in two weeks I focused on shoulders and triceps But I want to do a cut for my 45th birthday coming up and although I hate working glutes and legs I want to work on other legging body parts. First off bringing up a lagging body part in a cut is not as impossible. If you want to bring up a lagging body part you have to be in a surplus you're not gonna build anything in a cut so

Starting point is 01:08:42 that's number one. Number two, MAPS aesthetic is usually too much volume for most people, especially a woman who's 45. But for most people it's just too much volume. So can you do it twice in a row? Yeah. You'll probably get better results by running another program like MAPS Anabolic or Muscle Mommy. Something with less more appropriate volume will probably give you better results and if you want to work on glutes, muscle mommy is

Starting point is 01:09:08 very heavy. Or don't do a cut, right? I mean if you're gonna run the one thing that so when people ask me about running maps aesthetic back to back I'm very careful to say it's okay or to do that just because it is our highest volume program. It does neglect things like mobility and rotation and some other things especially as we get older as we get into our 30s 40s and 50s that we want to make sure that we're doing and so what might end up happening is you quickly tip over into overtraining especially in a cut especially older too. So all those things are not working in your benefit if you want to develop glutes and legs I would do a

Starting point is 01:09:49 program like muscle mommy and I would do it in at least a maintenance to a surplus and then do a cut afterwards that's what you'd be far better off doing it that way perfect look if you like mind pump come find us on Instagram Justin is that my pump Justin I'm at my pump to Stefano Adams at my pump out thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Super Bundle at mindpumpmedia.com. The RGB Super Bundle includes maps anabolic, maps performance and Maps Aesthetic, nine months of phased expert exercise programming

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