Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2619: The 5 Reasons Why Lifting Weights Is ALL You Need & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: June 14, 2025

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All of them have some value, but is one of them the best? Yes, lifting weights. In fact, there's five reasons why lifting weights is actually all you need. Let's get into this. This will be controversial. Now, I do wanna make this case that you don't have to do it this way,

but if you wanted to, and all you did was have weights, you could accomplish everything you need from a physical performance health perspective with just weights. I don't know why this is still controversial. I don't think it should be, and I think that absolutely this is true. I know that we get into it online with people

over the whole cardio thing, but I laugh at that because most people that are talking about cardio, they do, or they're talking about lists like low steady state type cardio. And if you have ever barbell back squatted 20 reps of anything, it is way easier, like cardiovascular wise, for me to jog for 10 minutes than it is to do a few sets of those. And so the benefits that you get from that are just as good, if not better. Well, let's get into it.

I'll start with the obvious one. This will start with the easy one, right? For building muscle and strength, strength, lifting weights is the best. Duh, I don't think anybody can make this argument. But when it comes to the muscle building process and getting stronger, there is no form of exercise that even comes close.

This is like comparing a dragster to a tricycle. Yeah, a tricycle will get you to your destination, but it can take you forever, and maybe never. Whereas a race car will get you there quickly and will for sure get you where you want to go. Lifting weights builds muscle and builds strength. It does that better than any other form of exercise. Now other forms of exercise have other benefits but when it comes to muscle building and strength building, other forms of exercise are completely inferior. In other words, trying to modify other forms of exercise

like Pilates or yoga or cardio to build muscle and strength is a complete waste of time. It's actually almost a complete waste of time. Like 15 minutes of strength training will beat all the. A square peg and a round hole. Yeah, because you get people with like, oh my Pilates, we do strength training or my yoga, and what they'll do is try to modify the techniques and the hold to try to build strength

and muscle, but it's like, they're just so bad at doing that one thing that if you want to build muscle and strength, even if you lift the weights for 10 minutes, you'd be better off. I think we have to unpack that a little bit or define that better for people because obviously there's a little bit of truth in it. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to market it and sell it that way, right?

Because if you modify yoga or you do Pilates, there are some strength training benefits. That's right. But very little and for a very short period of time of training that way, right? So what is it about traditional strength training that is so different than my Pilates strength training? Well, there's two main differences.

One, the most important one, I think, is progressive overload. The amount of strength and muscle that you will build doing other forms of exercise, even if you modify them for strength and muscle, is going to be just enough to perform what you're doing. So when you first start doing yoga, you're not strong enough to hold a pose.

Later, you are strong enough to hold that pose, and so how do you progressively overload that? You hold the pose longer? Well now you're starting to tip into stamina and endurance when you hold for too long, whereas with weights, you add weight to the bar, or do another rep. So long as you stay within a particular rep range.

It's all strength and muscle building. So the potential is massive for muscle building and strength building with strength training. With other forms of exercise, it's severely limited because those forms of exercise just don't lend themselves well. It's very entry. It's like zero to strength stability,

which is the first part of any goal towards building strength. You have to create that environment so it's stable enough so your body gets that signal that now it can allow for more force production. But as you do that, you have to then press out of that and then progress. Using other methods like holding it longer or making it more isometric or tempo can only get you so far with body weight movements versus now we've got to add some load which helps to give you that external signal a little bit louder.

I'm trying to visualize it and if I were to draw a graph, correct me if I'm wrong, I think it would look like this where it's, imagine the strength training group with traditional weights, the other person like Pilates, in the first six to 12 weeks, I still think, obviously, weights would be climbing as far as results. Yeah, faster, but so would also be Pilates. And then after about six to 12 weeks, Pilates would do this, while this continues to be it.

From a muscle and strength perspective, yes. And so if you were to look at that graph out six months, they're not even in the same universe. No, now go out six years? Oh my God. Yeah, right. So for the first six weeks of doing those two modalities, they're not on even playing fields,

but they're at least close, and you can make a case for- In the context of, yep. Right, but after that six week mark, it's like they they go so far apart, it's like, it doesn't even... It's not even... This is why you'll hear people... And that's where the statement comes... I just want to make that clear for the audience because there's... If you come from that place, you've been taught or brainwashed to present to people,

oh, the muscle building benefits of these classes, right? And so somebody has been sold on that idea, and so it's like, wait a second, my teacher or my person told me that it does do great for building muscle. And so that what they're talking about is those first six to 12 weeks that I'm talking about. And in comparison to weights,

it does okay for those first six weeks. But just okay, after that, it does okay for those first two swipes, but just okay. After that, it's not even in the same. I'm just picturing a guy on a tricycle like fucking, get it, right next to a drag race. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the other part of this is just kind of go off on a little side tangent, is you'll hear people say,

oh, you just lift weights, you come take my Pilates class and see how well you do. Obviously, I don't do Pilates, it'll kick my butt. That's not what we're talking about here. We're not talking about how hard it is. We're just talking right now, and we'll get to other stuff, about building muscle and building strength. Nothing comes close, not even close, not even the same universe as lifting weights or strength training. Not to mention, if you've been listening to us long enough, you know that we've made the case already that how hard something is does not define how good

or how effective it is. So just because something is really hard or you get really sore does not equate to more results. That's right. Next is stamina. Now here's what people will make the argument. They'll say, okay, well, yes for strength and muscle. Lifting weights is awesome, but I want stamina.

I want lots of stamina, so I'm going to do lots of running and cycling and swimming. Now to be clear, those are excellent ways to develop stamina. They're phenomenal ways of building stamina. But can you get similar stamina benefits, not specific to the action, because of course you want to get good at swimming, you better practice swimming. Just talk about general stamina and endurance. Can you get similar results with weights? Of course you can.

High reps or little to no rest will definitely do this for you. It's a very effective way at building stamina and it comes with a minor side effect of some strength because you're using resistance and the movements can be so dramatically different in strength training. I could pick so many different exercises,

whereas other forms of exercise tend to be very specific, cycling, cycling, swimming, swimming. I can use weights to build stamina in almost unlimited ways. General, everyday stamina, you're gonna get real good results by just increasing your rep count, as you mentioned earlier, and going through periods of training with that type of muscle endurance in your workouts. However, the distinguishing difference there and the factors, if I'm working on a skill of swimming or running,

that's specific. Yeah. And so, yeah, it's not going to translate completely to that. That's where you would venture off. But in terms of everyday overall strength, stamina, and endurance, you get plenty of that. Just wanna make sure. I was gonna say the same thing, just in other words, right? If you were doing that, if you were doing cardio

for the health benefits of cardio. That come from stamina. Yeah, that comes from stamina. Then you're better off doing it through weights. If you have something very specific like i want to be a good runner well then odd then you have to practice that's different if i want to be a good swimmer to jet like if you have a very specific uh endurance sport that you want to be good at then of course uh it doing that sport trumps weights for that all day long but if if you say things like, hey, I do cardio because my doctor says it's a good way

for endurance, stamina, and health, you could obtain that type of health and stamina as good, if not better, through weights. If you were looking for something specific, well then that's a different story. The other category, again, we go off on a side, where I'm like, okay, well then keep running and swimming, is you're like, well, it's not that I necessarily want to be good at those things, but I enjoy

it the most. Go for it. Nothing wrong with that. But the point of this is if you really wanted to pick one form of exercise for every physical attribute and health benefits, could you do it with just weights? Yes. Not only could you just do it, could you do it, but you could do it in an effective way. Here's the most controversial point, and I have data to support this, but you could do it in an effective way. Here's the most controversial point,

and I have data to support this, but the most controversial point is that you could use just weights for flexibility. Didn't a new study just come out on that? Another one came out, yeah. That you could use just weights for flexibility, and you'll get better results than you would from stretching.

Right. From weights. Now, people are gonna be like, what are you talking about? I've never seen a bodybuilder with better flexibility than a yoga practitioner or whatever. It depends how you do it. It all depends on how you do it.

Now here's why, first let's talk about flexibility and then let's talk about mobility. So flexibility is the ability of a muscle to stretch or elongate. Okay, so you go down to touch your toes, you barely touch your toes. you wanna get more flexible, that would allow you to put your hands on the floor. You can passively get into these range of motions.

Getting further, right. But mobility is flexibility plus strength. In other words, having a range of motion's great, but if there's no strength in that range of motion, that's injury land. Yep, that's instability. That is the greatest risk for injury. The greatest risk of injury is high flexibility,

low strength. If you look at the data, it's like a two year old. They're not unstable, but you can bend them however you want. You put load on that person, and they're gonna hurt themselves. Now strength training, if you perform it for flexibility purposes or mobility purposes,

it looks different. You're challenging ranges of motion, you're using a weight that is far less than what you would use for traditional muscle building or strength building, and you use a wide variety of movements because you don't want to get strong in just one direction, you want to get strong

in multiple directions which provides the kind of stability you need to prevent injury. This is the best way to get flexible because you get that range of motion, but you're now strong in that range of motion. And this is what the best coaches know. They know this. It requires a little bit more diligence,

but if you want to compare head to head, I mean, this will crush traditional flexibility. I like this one and I find it one of the more interesting ones because I don't know anybody personally who, even though this is what the research says, has actually approached their flexibility program with this intent, right? Like.

Siyah, Jordan Siyah. Remember he was trying to do the splits? Juju Mufu as well, but yeah. Yeah, Juju would be a good example. Yeah, both of those. Did Siyah do it that way? Yeah, so he was saying how he wanted to get the splits. Yeah. So he's doing it with resistance. And he was staying in that Yeah, both of those. Did Syed do it that way? Yeah, so he was saying how he wanted to get the splits,

so he's doing it with resistance. And he was staying in that elongated range of motion and maintaining tension. And weight, okay. That's right, and having weight. Yeah, not a lot of people do that. No, because they don't know. Yeah, but that is the better route to do it,

but yet you just don't hear about a lot of people who are like, hey, I'm working on my flexibility, I'm doing it through strength training. Like that's my, and by the way, you made a point, the start that like, you know, because people use the argument that, I don't know, a bodybuilder that's more flexible than any sort of yogi or whatever, well no bodybuilder does flexibility to be the most

flexible, they do it to stay flexible, their goal is to build the most optimal muscle, it's not in their best interest, they get up on stage and they have smaller muscle but they're more flexible than the other guy, they don't win, So they're still approaching it from a hypertrophy standpoint. But if they actually took that type of discipline that they put towards building muscle strength and put it towards flexibility, they would be every bit as flexible. And maintain a crazy physique. You could. You could definitely do that. And I think that's one of the

rare examples right away. It's Jujutsu Mutsu. You're like, how could somebody with that much muscle mass get into these positions and also be as dynamic and flexible? Well, really it's just about the fact that you've been working on the strength in these end ranges. And so, you know, a lot of times it's good to work on that first intrinsically. So we talk about kin stretch or ways to like increase tension within these poses. So So we talk about kin stretch or ways to like increase tension within these poses So you support that that position? But then you stress test that position you add load and so you can actually increase the amount of strength within that I'm so glad you said that Justin because I don't want somebody to hear this and go like, okay cool I'm gonna get into this deep splits and then hold 50 pound dumbbells or something crazy

and then hold 50 pound dumbbells or something crazy. Like this has to be a gradual process. Very gradual. And so what the regression to that looks like is kin stretch, which if you're not familiar with kin stretch, it's taking yourself to those in ranges of motion to where like you go into a very deep stretch position and then you try to flex that. Yeah. Then you create isometrics in that position. And you hear Justin talk about all the time where when you do

that, you gain 20% both directions of strength, right? So that's how you start to build strength there. And then over time, you can progress it with weight. You don't just go straight into a deep stretch position and grab a bunch of weight and think that's a good strategy. That's how you get hurt. Now there's two things, two caveats. One is in the higher ranges or in the more extreme cases, muscle mass itself can become a hindrance to certain types of mobility. You've got huge back, well, they might get in the way when you're trying to squeeze your shoulder blades back or whatever. If you've just got big muscles, they can make mobility a bit more challenging just because they can get in the way, but that

requires a lot of muscle. Here's a second caveat. You can strength train in a way that'll actually reduce mobility. And what does that look like? Well, I get really strong in certain ranges of motion and in certain planes of movement, and I don't strengthen other ranges of motion in other planes of movement. Now what happens-

Stay fixed in those windows. My body limits my range of motion because it's like, you're so strong moving in this direction that if you move in this other direction where the ratio of strength is so out of whack, you're gonna hurt yourself. And so you start to appear to be tighter. And this is why people think strength training

makes you tight. Because when you look at a bodybuilder who changes in these short ranges of motion and really only cares about developing muscle, they start to move around and look tight precisely because their body is like, we're going to keep you confined to what you train. Which I love you making this point because now it's more clear to the listener why you hear us when we talk about, there's studies and research to support doing things like partials for building muscle, but we tend to not advocate for that simple reason. It's because for the simple reason of if somebody

takes that too far and they do all these partials because you can still build muscle in partials, what you end up doing is you get really strong in this short range of motion and then that hinders. Yeah, then that hinders flexibility and mobility. And since most people are looking for overall strength, want to build muscle, but then also are not trying to put themselves in a position where they're more

injury prone after lifting weights than before is the reason why we don't advocate for that much. All right, next, this is where I think, and I do, I strongly believe, we have a lot of data and studies that support this, but it's not a mainstream message yet, but I do believe it will become a mainstream message that when it comes to hormone optimization,

natural hormone optimization, strength training is in a completely different universe. Completely different universe. Now, to be clear, all forms of exercise, if applied appropriately, will improve your health. Improving your health generally does improve your hormone profile. Getting healthier, in other words, just getting healthier is great for your hormone profile. Getting healthier, in other words

just getting healthier is great for your hormone profile. But that being said, strength training directly affects hormone health through a couple different ways or multiple ways but the two most important ones in my opinion are improving insulin sensitivity. So that's number one. So when you lift weights, your muscles which are a storage containment a storage container for glycogen become hypersensitive to insulin which is great So you want insulin sensitivity, right? If you have poor insulin sensitivity, you're much more likely to have things like PCOS You're much more likely to have estrogen

imbalances with progesterone You know growth hormone doesn't start becoming effective, you get mitochondrial dysfunction, like it's really important to have insulin sensitivity. Strength training is the best for this. Like you build muscle, you can store more glycogen, and muscle is very insulin sensitive, and we see it immediately post-strength training,

and we also see this improving over time with strength training, better than other forms of exercise. Then the second is, when you build muscle, your body increases androgen receptors. So these are the receptors that testosterone attaches to. So whatever amount of testosterone you have, if you double the amount of receptors you have for that testosterone,

you essentially have twice as much testosterone. It's that much more effective. And this is important for men and women. For women, testosterone is just as important as it is for men, we just have different ratios. So when you increase receptors, which happens immediately when you start lifting weights, like this is one of the first effects, your testosterone becomes more effective.

So you've essentially made yourself insulin sensitive. Testosterone is like having more testosterone. We also see data that supports that strength training may actually directly raise testosterone as well. And then we see balancing of hormones like cortisol and growth hormone receptors start to upregulate as well. So it starts to push you more towards this optimized hormone profile

in ways that other forms of exercise are gonna come close to. I love to see the movement in this that we've seen in the last just five years, even five, 10 years. I mean, how many female doctors now have we had on this show that promote strength training? It's the primary form of exercise. And just go back, say 15, 20 years when we were training,

it's like you didn't hear that at all. Not at all. And so it's really cool. So impactful. To see all these female doctors that come on here and that has now become like a foundation to all their protocols is like, oh yeah, no, I get my, I get my ladies lifting weights right away. And so I feel like we've, we've known that for men for so long because it's so closely connected to testosterone. And so we've, that's always been

something that's been talked about, or for a long time it's been talked about for like men's hormone health or testosterone in general. But for female hormone optimization, I don't think you have heard about it as much as you've heard about it in the last five years. So. Now you know when I figured this out was as a, gosh, I would say probably 10 years into my career, I had my wellness studio.

At that point, I started making great relationships with some forward thinking hormone specialists and functional medicine practitioners. So this was 15 years plus ago, maybe almost 20 years ago, and probably 15 years ago. And at the time, it was hard to find functional medicine practitioners, and it was hard to find hormone specialists

that were really forward thinking. Luckily my studio was in the middle of Silicon Valley. So we tend to get the best of the best for certain things. So I found some and I started working with them and they were blown away by the results that my patients got from a hormone perspective by training with me and working out and working with them. And they would ask me, what are you doing with them? Like her hormones are, and I'm like, we're lifting weights.

How often? Once a week, what do you mean? Oh yeah, and they started to show that when they got stronger, the hormones started to improve and the results in terms of the hormonal effects started to improve. This is when I started piecing this together at the first time.

By the way though, and I'm glad you went that direction, because this could also be bad for you hormonally if not applied appropriately. Because I'm sure there's somebody who's listening right now who's like, the opposite was true for me. I started training seven days a week. Over training and you're screwed. And then the opposite happens.

So if you have poor sleep and you are, your intensity is through the roof and you're low calorie because you're trying to diet and then strength training looks like, oh God, it's not helping my hormones at all, it's the opposite, but it's because of how you apply it. This, again, another reason why you hear us advocate for one to three days a week in moderate intensity and two reps short of failure because of things just like this, because applied incorrectly and it could have adverse effects, applied correctly it could have profound effects.

Yeah, and two, like just one more added kind of benefit, obviously, like with female clients I notice this a lot, and you've mentioned this quite a few times of like, you know, avoiding osteoporosis and like, bone health and integrity and strength, you know, the most impactful version of that is lifting weights versus all other forms. It just doesn't even touch it.

If you put it, it's building muscle and strength, you might as well say building bone. Yeah, building bone, ligaments, it's all there. Nothing will build your bone like strength. Or how many times have we already on this podcast given a woman the advice to increase her calories, go build muscle, and she regains her period? Yeah. I mean, countless times we've seen that on live callers,

and of course we've experienced that with- I have two clients that got pregnant just from doing that. Literally, they came to me and they were having fertility issues, that wasn't our right goal. Again, I was a younger trainer, so I'm like, I'm not touching that. But I'm gonna have to eat more and you gotta build some muscle, and then boom, they got pregnant.

It's all part of the process. Two clients. Finally, this is an easy point to make, aesthetics. Aesthetics are subjective, but generally speaking, there is a general idea of what looks good, what doesn't look good. Name one form of exercise that allows you to pick parts of your body to develop.

None. In shape, right? None. You can't do that with other forms of exercise. Only one. Yeah. This to me is, I mean, of course. This is a good selling point.

It is, I mean, this is mostly what you present as a trainer. I mean, yes, there are some people who look for general health, yes, some people just want performance and strength, but most people come in because they, unfortunately, they come in, they finally get there because they're unhappy with how they look and nothing will reshape, sculpt a body like lifting weights. There is no form, no other modality out there that even comes close to what you can do with strength training.

To that point where you can be that specific, where someone can come in and say, hey, I wish I had a little bit broader shoulders, but a smaller waist, but a big butt. Like you can literally ask for those. You can do that. Yeah, and then you can go, cool, let's get to work. Like we can literally build for those. Yeah, and then you can go, cool, let's get to work.

We can literally build a routine around those specific goals to obtain those specific goals. That's incredible. There's nothing else you can do that way. And in some cases, you can even change the way a muscle looks. And I say in some cases, it has to be the big ones, but you can literally be like, I want more upper chest,

or I want more outer butt, or I want more outer butt, or I want the middle of my butt. We can actually do that with certain muscle groups. You can spot build, you can't spot reduce, you can spot build, so you can actually work on defining muscles and specific muscles, but losing, you gotta lose overall fat. Yeah, of course, of course.

That's just something we always have to say. All right, so I wanna talk about a peptide stack that now I'm seeing people are, do you guys remember a while ago when I said that thymus and beta plus BPC157. Wolverine stack. Yes, so people have talked about this stack as being a great stack for recovery and healing.

Fact, we know this, right? You combine those two, and this is anecdote, but these are the people that we talk to who go through our partners at nphormones.com. This is my own. You, injury healing is like 40% faster. In some cases even. It's actually kind of wild.

If you have like when I tore my hamstring, that combination, I'm actually cautious working out because I'm like, I feel like I'm totally healed, but this is way too fast. That would normally have taken me four months, it took me 30 days, and I feel like I'm back to normal. So we already know that, but do you guys remember me talking about how when I'm on that combo,

I just, I'm just leaner? I just get leaner and I feel like it's almost like this muscle building? I remember you saying that, yeah. Well, I think there's a mechanism. So I saw Jay Campbell list that combo as one of his top five fat burning peptide stacks. Interesting.

So he listed, now of course above that was like the growth hormone releasing ones and the GLP ones. So he's not saying it's the best, but he's saying- Well, the top five though. It's one of the top five. And it's not traditionally known as a fat burning stack. So-

What is it, just your body performs better when it's... One of them tamps down inflammation, the other one regenerates tissue. So, maybe it's, I'm assuming that's coupled with lifting weights. Because if you couple it with lifting weights, then it should theoretically accelerate the muscle burning process.

Just the recovery turnover, like, a bit quicker. It should accelerate the recovery process, and if it does that, then it should speed up the metabolism, which in turn should burn body fat. That would be the mechanism I would guess. Yeah, so that's what I would have guessed too, right? Like as a kind of a secondary side effect, but actually in the data, they both increase

growth hormone receptor density. Oh, interesting. So your body has more receptors, muscles in particular, but also connective tissue, to growth hormone. So now your growth hormone becomes more growth hormone. Just like I said with the endogen receptor density earlier, now whatever growth hormone you produce, it's almost like you're taking growth hormone

because you have more receptors. And so that's probably, like what you said Adam, I'm like, is it that? But it's more than that, it had to to be because I would be on both of them Like it just makes me like look different. So is there any benefits in salad than taking something like a What's one of the test of maroon or yeah with oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh interesting Oh, yeah, you're gonna grow so like a Wolverine stack stack. I'd be like a fatbury stacker stacks You know, you'll get with that?

Healing, that's like ridiculous, right? Growth hormone goes up plus those two peptides, which also accelerate healing to it. Well, you had me do that, right? Now I was taking, I actually have growth hormone, right? So I was taking that with that stack for my injury. For your, when you tore it apart. And I remember you saying that, like that I should take the Tessamaran or the, what's

the other one? I always forget the name. Oh, it was when they kicked the ensign. I beat a more. Yeah. I beat a more. Um, and I mean, I healed fast. I healed so fast. Scary fast. It is. So I think that's important to note that is you, you It is. You almost like you feel like, is this real? Yeah, you gotta be careful. You gotta be careful because of how fast you heal. I think that's the one caveat to it, is that, okay, you're gonna get better sooner, but you still should slowly progress,

and you have a tendency to wanna get after it. I have a theory around that, because the question is like, well, if you're healed, you're healed. I don't think your central nervous system heals as quickly as your body can with those peptides. So I think the recruitment patterns are still a little off, so take time in getting back to your old weight,

even if you feel like you're. Well, would there also be a lag on the ligament and tendons? Be with the muscle repair? I would think the muscle will repair faster than the ligament and tendons. That's typically how it is,. So maybe maybe that's the case Although BPC speeds up the healing of tendons and ligaments I mean I definitely just they're just slower the muscle you know after we started working with

Transcend and doing stuff like this obviously I've never really been into the peptide world until us recently right you're more into that stuff than any of us but I'm a sport nut and more into that stuff than any of us. But I'm a sport nut. And I would 100% believe now, like my buddies and I, long before I even knew what a peptide was, would be like, how the hell is that possible? Oh, with these athletes?

How did they come back within three months? Yeah, it's like a shorter year. Like six week tears in ACL, he's out six weeks and he's back on the field. And these guys aren't like just healed. They're playing professional sports. They're out cutting and doing these guys aren't like just healed they're playing professional sports they're out cutting like and doing things that don't even make like that might would just rip my tendons and ligaments off naturally like without even being injured right

you would be confident like it just doesn't it doesn't math for it never never math for me where it does now i'm like okay these guys have been these guys have had access to this for way longer using all of it. Oh yeah, and hyperbaric chambers, accelerating it up, like they're doing it there. Come on, dude, if you're a franchise, how much do they pay valuable assets? Bro, you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Yeah, like how much do they pay one of the top basketball players? 40, 50 million dollars. So you're looking at them like a 50 million dollar investment, and so you're like, you're gonna get Thymus and Al at Beta, you're gonna get BPC, we're gonna put Red Light on you, you're gonna to get thymus and alabata. You're going to get BPC. We're going to put red light on you. You're going to get the best strength and conditioning,

correctional exercise. And they are going to sleep. And they have a guy dedicated to them that like that. So it's so serious that when it, when an athlete now gets hurt, they don't even see their teammates. They're like the full, their full time is to is to recovery. Yeah. It's like they, and they have a very strict schedule

of all the things that they do. And I think that, I just think that the general pop doesn't get to hear the peptide stacking hormonal stuff that's going on by the scenes. They get to hear the other stuff like, oh yeah, he does cold plunging and he does this. Kind of like the basic level, but they're also like taking the, they have to be.

It just makes, now it makes sense to me. It never made sense when we talk about those injuries, like this is, and I get their genetic anomalies, I get that they're freaks of nature with their bodies, but that still doesn't like make sense. But now it does, like oh, these stacks are what these guys, they've had it, they've probably had it for over a decade, maybe longer.

Oh, longer, I'm sure. How, do you know what the history is? I've been around for a long time. Yeah, like the 60s? Yeah, dude. Yeah, we've identified some of these peptides from. Like BPC157's been around since like the 60s? No way.

We identified it a long time ago. I don't know about the 60s, but it was longer than like five years ago. It was a long time ago. See, if I remember. 1993. 93? When we isolated it. So. remember. 1993. 93? When we isolated it. Oh, that's way off.

So. Wow. Yep. Wow. So fine. And we barely started talking about it. Yeah, so fine, 10 years later they have it now in injectable form.

That's 2003. That's still 20 plus years ago. Still 20 years. Yeah, I mean, late 90s you're taking me back to high school. That's when I'm having these conversations. High school, college, after, as my buddies and I are having these sports debates. Yeah, you don't think that these billion dollar franchises

are not a business. We used to think, back then, because steroids was the only thing that we knew that was like. That it was just that? Totally. That's old science. That was exactly what we all thought. We all thought like, they're all beating the steroid test,

they're all taking steroids, and steroids is taking care of all of it. It's like, shit, they're doing a lot more than just that. Probably. And I mean, to, they're doing a lot more than just that. Probably. And to be clear, that definitely helps, but anabolic steroid and growth hormone tech, or we've had that forever. Yeah.

Like athletes have been using it. We've known what they do. In fact, if you go through the plethora of anabolic steroids, most of them were invented in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. I don't think they came up with too many new ones afterwards, so I think it's pretty cool. Anyway, I gotta tell you guys about a park incident

with my kids. I took them to that park that's in Los Gatos, they have like a nice creek or whatever, and I take my kids over there and we're throwing rocks, because I love doing that, kids love doing it, throwing rocks, and there's this little boy on the other side of the creek, and I start hearing him yell, don't throw rocks,

he must have been told by his dad, whatever, but I'm like, whatever, he's far, he's on the other side of the creek, my kids aren't gonna, they're barely throwing it in front of them, so we're just having fun. The kid starts to cross the creek, right? Now it's not high, it only comes up to like your shin. So he starts crossing over and I see his dad in the back

and he's holding a baby so he gives his wife the baby and he follows his kid. So this kid comes over and I'm like, all right, we're just gonna all play together. And as soon as the dad sees me, he goes, hey man, he goes, he's got atomic energy. My son's got atomic energy. I said, okay.

Oh, he just straight told you? Yeah, I said, okay. Atomic energy. I said okay. Yeah, I said okay. Atomic energy. And then by the way, the guy was a fan of the show. So he's like, hey, your name's Sal, right? Yeah, he's like, oh, I love your show, whatever. Bro, this kid was, you know how he'd tell you stories of my nephew, how he was just on fire all the time? That was this kid.

So they were throwing rocks, but this kid kept trying to throw rocks in the direction of my kid. Oh God. Kept trying to splash him. And this poor dad, he was like trying to be you know you could tell he's a good dad you could tell he's really involved he's trying to be calm you know redirect his kid with this kids doing stuff. That's gotta make you feel good about yours. You're like sometimes your kids can feel like they have that kind of energy.

To see a kid that's got way more. Some boys are just like that dude. I mean that mean, that's my best friend son is like that too. You have and he was a happy kid You can tell he's trying to play those kids busy. Oh, they have to be doing something physical Like I mean, I mean don't you imagine he was probably that kid probably I mean I was really into sports and that was it like I I every second of the day I was practicing something because I I had to, yeah. They kicked me out of the house, so yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah. My brother was like that.

I think you get in trouble a lot though. No, my brother was like that, dude. He was just always just. Now were you chill? Were you totally chill? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I loved, you give me a book or something on TV

that I was into and you can leave me alone forever. And I was totally fine. I was chill too. I liked sports and I would play, but I got into that later, but I was like, and you can leave me alone forever. And I was totally fine. I was chill too. I liked sports and I would play, but I got into that later, but I was like, I could just kinda chill. I mean, I'm like Max. I mean, Max has that.

He's like the next level. He's like me with my wife's chill personality, which is why he's so chill like that. I love it. It took me forever to like reading. Yeah. I did not wanna sit down, dude. Sitting down was the worst.

Yeah, no, I could sit forever. Rage. You know, speaking of dad stuff, have you guys seen the new viral trend? I want to do it because I think it would be fun. Have you guys seen the father-in-law trend? No. Oh, this is funny. If you guys haven't seen this.

Dylan, have you seen the father-in-law trend yet? No, I haven't. Oh, this is good. So this is a husband and wife. So next time you guys are late, call your wife's father and wish him good night. Just out of the blue, like at like eight o'clock at night, like hey, hey dad. Just wanna say good night.

Yeah, just wanna say good night. And people are recording their responses and they're fucking hilarious. Because I know if I called my father-in-law like that, first of all, I've never called him. So if I call him to wish him a good night randomly like that. What are you doing? Good night.

And they're getting like, some of them are like, Oh my God, you could tell they're like, they're heartfelt. They're like, what the fuck you want? Because it's so in left field. So it's like, it's a really cool, wholesome, funny trend that's happening online right now. I mean, I love when there's cool ones like that. Like when there's like a cool trend that's happening, that's like fun and funny and wholesome, it's like that. And so I was like, I gotta do that.

I'll tell you about a bad trend that I saw. I was working out at the gym today and they had the TV playing and I saw this news report. I guess there's this trend on, I don't know, I think it's on TikTok, of tweens posting their skincare routines. So these are like 12 year olds and they they're showing what they're doing for their skin and whatever and how great it is.

And I'm watching, I'm like, why would you let your kid do that? Why would you let your kid? And who's watching those videos? Who are they? Who are they? I immediately go there. Yes, yeah, like there's people that shouldn't be watching

them that are probably predators, and then why would you allow your kid to build a follow? You know, I told you guys that that documentary did a whole thing on like, because you can totally evaluate the followers of these things you can look all that it's It's not even close That's why like to me that what a parent that lets it happen Obviously is very naive to get out to the wool because you're not you're not just kind of throwing them out there It's like 80% of their followers are like a middle-aged men. They're chum. They're just yeah

It's like I don't give a shit how famous you are, kid, or how much you're making in YouTube money or what-a-like-that. To willingly to- Yeah, if it's a million followers, 800,000 of them are probably. Yeah, and if you knew that as a dad, I don't care how much money the kid's making,

I don't know how I could sit at, let that sit. I think these are parents that value- Naive. They value fame so much. Or that. It's a vicarious thing. Yeah. It's like those moms, and I'm sure I'm gonna piss someone off, but they value fame so much. Or that. It's a vicarious thing. Yeah. It's like those moms, and I'm sure I'm gonna piss someone

off, but they- We're gonna make it. Yeah, they put their kids in these pageants, and I, you know, some of these pageants that you see, like they're all dolled up and make up and doing those crazy performances, and the parents put all the pressure. I remember I trained this young lady, I'm not gonna say too much, because I don't wanna call her out, but I trained a young

lady who competed in beauty pageants and I agreed to take her on. I trained her. She won. So then I suddenly had moms who were interested in me training their daughters. Now these were all high school girls, so probably between the age of like 16 to 18. And I didn't accept any of them because the space felt so toxic when I went to watch the pageant and I had one particular incident where a mom came up to me with her 16 year old daughter.

I remember this is what she wanted to tell you, like apples are bad or something. Dude, I almost embarrassed her in front of everybody. She walks up to me and she's like, Sal, you did such a great job with so and so. Can you please tell my daughter that you can definitely gain body fat by eating too many apples? And I'm looking at her with her 16 year old daughter

next to her. Like no, I will not say that. Oh, like I almost was like, yeah. Absolutely I will not say that. So I was very kind and I said, you know, that's not an issue. And I said I wouldn't discourage somebody from eating fruit.

It's much more difficult. And so I tried to educate, but part of me wanted to be like, yeah, yeah. What are we doing here? Let me let you have it right now, you know? Get out of my face. Let's fuck you out of this environment. I did not take on any of those clients.

I bet, I bet. Hey, Doug, how was the birthday? It was great. Yeah? You had a great time. Doug turns, can I say your age, your real age? Yeah, my real age. 85.

Shut up. 85. He turned 60, and real age. 85. Shut up. He turned 60 and it was a wonderful, wonderful time. It was a good time. Bro, I got choked. Did you guys tell I was getting choked up? Yes, yes. You're such a softy.

Well, I loved him. I love him, man. You know, he's much more than just mind-pumped, you know? So I was saying I'm going to get choked up again. I was saying nice things about him and kept pausing because I was getting choked up and everybody went around and said something nice. I thought that was really was so nice Shout out to Jamie Jamie Jamie right? I just wanna make sure you got Jamie who your long hair stylist She's been with you for how many years 20 years almost 25 25 years Wow. I love her So I thought it was I thought it was so great. It was her. She's the one who kicked that up

She's like hey, why don't we all go around and say? That's her thing by the way. Oh it is she loves doing that at parties. It's that's a cool thing That's a wonderful. I think that's a really really cool thing for this It's always great to have somebody somebody who starts it up like that because obviously doesn't be like how much you all take turns Talking about me real quick. No one's gonna like Talk about how you wouldn't like it No one's gonna like start getting it just just talk about how you wouldn't like it. Could you imagine? Oh, yeah, that was good because I feel like it was You know an impactful like you would like that. Hell no. Yes, you would know look he's getting red right now

Everybody stop You know rest of the show today, I wouldn't like it. Yeah, you and Haiti, who would like it? Adam. Adam would love it. We all went around talking about it. Hey, I'm in the first two minutes. It's nice to, people say something nice about you.

I'm surprised that that would. I don't know why it's just not. Yeah, that's weird to me. It is weird. You probably need to look into that, dog. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I don't think it's weird at all to like. It's not like trauma.

I don't know. Yeah, that's what I think. It is what it is. I think it's weird the other way around. I don't think it's weird to like have people say nice things about you and it not feel good. I imagine, did it feel good? I'm sure it felt good.

It felt great. Yeah, it felt great. Yeah, I thought it was really cool that we did that and everybody went around and I thought it was great and found out Doug's a great lover. Oh my God, that was my favorite. That's the best part. I'm gonna say that without.

They just snuck that one in there. We all go around saying really nice things about Doug and it was a range of things from being such a great father. Don Juan Doug, that's his new nickname. To a great friend, how humble he is, how hardworking he is, just all these wonderful things and it comes to this young lady he's dating and the he's dating and she's the first thing she says is Doug is a really good lover. I paid her a lot of money. Just trumped all the rest of our great stories.

Nobody remembers. Where do we go from here? I don't know Doug, you got a lot of energy. That was totally out of left field. Still got energy in the tank. That same place that we were at was so funny. We're sitting there. I don't know if you guys even heard what had happened, but we're sitting there. Katrina and I are on the end and we're talking. And the girl who's doing basically the trolley microphone, whatever you call it. What do you call someone who does that? MC, I don't know.

MC. Announcer. Yeah, announcer. Tour guide. Yeah, tour. Yeah,. Announcer. Tour guide. Yeah, like a tour guide or whatever. She comes walking up and I'm wearing one of our mind pump shirts and she's like, hey, she's like, I saw a mind pump like that.

She's like, you know, I, you know, um, orange theory, Adam. And I go, boy, orange theory, Adam. I said, yeah. She said that to you? Yeah. She said it to me. Did she know that you were him? Well, so then I said, uh, yeah. So that's why I said, uh. She said that to you? Yeah, she said it to me. Did she know that you weren't him? Well, so then I said, Oh, you didn't hear his conversation? Yeah, yeah.

So that's why I said, that's me. And she's just like, I thought it was you. I didn't want to say it and be wrong or this and that. And she's like, I used to take your class. I love your class. Oh, no way. Oh yeah, yeah. So she started telling me how much she loved the classes

back in the days. And then she name dropped somebody else who I've trained. You looked like him. He was way more jacked. Yeah, yeah. That's why I knew it. That's the first thing that's why I was like, in the days and then she name dropped somebody else who I've trained and he was way more jack that's why she that's why i knew it that's the first thing was right i was like man about 30 pounds less muscle so i get it i get it you know what i'm saying but uh that was cool and then uh and then we get to the second place and that was when the owner of the trolley followed us over and uh again didn't say anything until this.

She comes walking over to me and she's like, and I knew right after she said this, it was so funny when she said this because I had never thought about this statement, how many times we've heard this until she said it. And I went, oh God, that's a total drop. I listened to the show. And she's like, long time listener, first time caller.

And then she asked me a question. And I was like, oh, she listens to all the live callers. So how many times we have a live caller who says that? They come on, they go like, long time listener, first time caller. And then they do the thing. So she approached me about, I forgot what she asked. She asked a question nutrition related. Oh, about wine. Yeah. About drinking. Is it that bad? Is it that bad? Yeah. But she started it by saying that. So found out she's a fan of the show also. And so that was really cool. But super undercover, both of them were, like we were all together well before that

and no one said anything and then they later on. It was a great time, man. It was really nice celebrating you, Doug, for your birthday. Well, thank you so much. It was really touching, honestly, to be recognized that way. Yeah, I really appreciate you guys for doing that.

You deserve more than that. That's it, yeah, we love you. Oh, I mean, mean you know it's a big deal. That was more than enough. Alright so Adam I want to hear how you use the beef tallow to cook your steaks. Because I hear about it, this is Paleo Valley's beef tallow. So what do you just cook it in the pan with it? So once we once we got introduced to it. Because that's got a taste. Amazing, amazing. So, previously before that, I always use ghee. So I would always, I would sear. Which also tastes amazing.

Yeah. That's traditionally what I've always used. And then we got that beef tallow sent over to us. And I thought, oh, maybe I'll try searing in this and see what that, and since then, that is all I sear my meat in. I don't, I haven't used ghee now in almost two years Because it's it just goes so much better with beef of course so my tri tip my rib eyes That's so I I do you know I see her at the end

So I cook to a certain temperature that I've got down for whatever meat or cut and then I finish with a minute on the iron skillet of the beef tallow and it gives the perfect crust on there and everybody that ever has it comments on it. And so my wife, his potatoes and fries too. Amazing. Oh, exactly. I haven't done that. So Jessica takes potatoes and she, you know what, she boils them, she cuts them in half

and then she puts them in shallow. I'm going to do that after I do the meat with this. Oh yeah. Oh bro. She's like kind of crispy Favorite potato dish my life so can I you know when people make the smashed like do you just do you literally I've never Done it before can I oil them could I do so I should boil them down first Yes, and then smash okay, so boil them down first you cover them in beef tallow

And then just smash them and then I could just yeah, you know who I'm gonna boil them down first you cover them in beef tallow and then just smash them and then I could just Boil them or bake them. Oh, yeah, bake them keep the skin on right? Yeah. Yeah, and then you so I I'd want to With all crispy like that. So yeah, I'll do like a do I do I under bake it a little bit? Just enough to get it soft or can I full bake it? I pretty much full bake Okay, so I could full bake it and then and then I wouldn't cook them to the point They're falling apart. That'll go so now. Yeah. No so I could full bake it and then and then I wouldn't cook them to the point they're falling apart. That'll go so good. No yeah no I wouldn't. They all get mushy. You just smash them and they fall all over the place. No. Oh I'm so gonna do that. That'll go so good with my tri tip or my steak as a side. Oh plenty of salt. Yes. Okay do you salt why it's in there or after? I'd salt it why it's in there. Okay. And after. Okay. Salt and salt and salt. You guys know, I'm the salt man. Yeah, you're the salt king.

I gotta tell you guys about this. So I was thinking, so it's gonna go a little spiritual, but I was thinking about some of the stuff I've heard Arthur Brooks say about happiness, and I made this connection to theology or religion that I think is kind of fascinating. So I'd love to share and hear your guys' thoughts on it. So you guys have heard him say this, and the data on this is pretty clear, right?

Humans are wired to pursue a goal, but when we hit a goal, it's terrible. We don't do well when we accomplish what we've set out to accomplish. We tend to flounder. But when we're pursuing a goal, we love it. This is when we get lots of meaning, there's happiness that comes from it. So the problem with that obviously is, okay, pursue a goal, great, hit a goal, what do I do now? So what people tend to do is they tend to just

constantly set new goals over and over again. But then that leads to fatigue because you keep accomplishing what you've set out to pursue only to be disappointed. Each time you're disappointed, each time you're disappointed. So from a secular standpoint, I was thinking, well what would be the solution to that? Well the solution would be to pursue a goal that you could never attain.

Something that would last the rest of your life. But there's two problems with that. One is the lifelong pursuit of that goal would have to continue to, you'd have to derive benefit from it for your whole life. I can't think of a single goal that would do that, right? Like you can only get so healthy. You can only get so smart. You can only get so, it's not going to give you dividends for the rest of your life. However, if you pursue God, that will give you benefit for the rest of your life and However, if you pursue God, that will give you benefit for the rest of your life, and then it also comes with grace, because you need grace because

you're going to screw up the entire time. And I'm like, oh, here's the psychological evidence for why people who really have a strong faith tend to be happier. Because they're pursuing this unattainable thing, they have this endless supply of grace, which is what he offers you, and you continue to benefit until the day you die, from spiritual, you grow spiritually forever. Wouldn't you say that that's like the secular saying,

how does it go, shoot for the stars, land on the moon? Yeah, maybe. I mean, that's what that is. So, I mean, not that I disagree with you, but just to play devil's advocate How is that different than just setting a goal that you probably can't or won't obtain it? But in pursuing it your whole life because it will eventually stop producing Benefit so let's say You know you're pursuing health health health health health health

I mean that can that could become Orthorexia at some point or you you're not gonna continue to derive benefit from it and you'll see your health decline as you age anyway. Not a bad thing to pursue, but it's your ultimate pursuit. But again, playing devil's advocate with you, I would say that you could also, what some people get which is like spiritual righteousness where you continue to pursue that way

to where you think you are all- all knowing and you're so great. And so, I would make the case that the same person or same type of person that say is producing ultimate health and it turns bad is no different than the person who's pursuing God but then also turns bad. Then they become a manipulator themselves or become, Justin's favorite cult leader. So I think you can make the case that that could also go bad too, bro. It's just fatigue in it as well.

It could, but that's not what happens, or what I should say, that's not guaranteed to happen. Whereas if you pursue any other goal, you're guaranteed at some point to reach a point where it's just not good. So the Bible specifically talks about that, right? Like the only people that Jesus visibly gets angry with in the Bible are not prostitutes, tax collectors, sinners, it's the Pharisees. It's the spiritually righteous. It's the people

who are like, no, I'm better than everyone else and I'm leveraging how good I am because then God's going to reward me and that's why I'm doing these types of things. So they teach specifically against that. But I mean that but it could still lead to talk about a human man who sets goals if you're taking an example both. That's why I think it has to be that's right. So I think I think it has to be faith and you have to believe in the supernatural aspect. I don't think you could do it from a like, well, I don't believe in the metaphysical but I'm gonna continue pursuing this because then it won't. I mean, I think even people that are pursuing it with the right from a like, well I don't believe in the metaphysical, but I'm gonna continue pursuing this, because then it won't. Because if you- I mean I think even people that are pursuing it

with the right, I think I've seen it happen more often than not. I don't know any secular people that pursued that without the faith. Most of them do it with, in fact, many spiritually righteous people don't even realize that they're being spiritually righteous. Yeah, that's a big problem.

Yeah, they- I would say they probably turn more people away from the faith. Totally. 100%. Yeah, there's more data. The hardest people to bring back are the ones that have been hurt by people in the church or by churches or by pastors or whatever. Once they leave because of that, very difficult to bring back.

Yeah. So I think that they do tons of damage and it speaks directly to it. I mean I just think, I think that the, it's so similar to me the way we give advice about helping your family member get in shape is like, it has nothing to do with. You just gotta model it. You don't minister to them.

You live it. The words aren't gonna sell them. No. Unless they ask you, like with health and fitness. Right, exactly, same thing. It's just like, if you live it- At that point, they're interested. That's right.

If you live it to the highest level as you can, which knowing you can never reach the highest level, hopefully it attracts others to pursue or at least be interested in it. And I think it's so similar. I was reading about Mother Teresa in that case. So you guys know, you've heard who she is, right? So she- Of course. She felt a strong calling to serve I think it's so similar. I was reading about Mother Teresa in that case, so you guys know, you've heard who she is, right?

Of course. So she felt a strong calling to serve the poor in India, and she took a vow of poverty. So she said, I'm going to live in poverty with them, and I'm just going to care for them and love them. She was revered in India, not just by the Christians and Catholics, but also by the Hindus and people who were Muslim because she didn't do that. She didn't preach unless you came to her and said, hey, what's this all about? She just cared for people, loved people, and she was revered so much in that country by everybody and she literally became the light.

She immersed herself in that culture. Was it you who shared it? Someone shared like an AI, if AI generated? Oh, I did, yeah. I didn't get a chance to read it. Oh, like if there were? Someone shared like an AI, if AI generated? Oh I did, yeah. I didn't get a chance to read it. I looked at it but you just made a dig at it. Oh, like if there were influencers? Yes, yes, yes. So there's a lot of those going around now on Instagram. It's so wild. It's like point of POV from Jesus, you know, hey I'm uh, you know going off to, you know what. I just fed 5,000 people. Yeah, what's up? Are they like funny? Are they designed to be funny or are they actually like designed to be this is what we think it would be like? Well, I mean, obviously it's funny because obviously they didn't have social media back

then. So it's basically taking these icons, if you will, from the Bible and having them be influencers. So it is kind of funny. There was a guy and there was one guy, there was one where it was like he was, he was behind him. You can see the Red Sea was parted. He's like, oh my god, the water just parted. I don't know how this happened Those would be pretty funny. Yeah, those would be great did that bro the things that so my brother-in-law He's got a you've seen Larry's Chevelle. Yeah, so it's all souped up and everything like that awesome, and he had like some issue with like the throttle body. And so he said that he, he literally took a picture, okay,

took a picture of it, um, and uploaded it to chat, G chat, GBT and spit out exactly everything he needed from diagnostic picture, bro. Like you, I, he should tell a story because I'll probably mess it up because he told me step by step what happened. Because like he even had like a custom part built and it figured that out and told him the modification

he needed, took him step by step. He literally, okay, my brother's not a mechanic. Wow. He's a computer dork, right? He literally took his car, redid his throttle body, redid his fuel system, retuned the car, all from Chad GBT. Wow. And took him step by step, and even when there was like

little mistakes, he was like, he took a picture and said, oh, you said this, and then he says, oh, my mistake, I didn't see it from that angle, that there was another part and like figured out that the picture needed to be tilted a little bit more. And they said, Oh, this part is perfect for this. Oh, you got that. Excellent. And it's like cheering him on along the way to great job. Now do this and do that. Dude, he was showing me the conversation and I was like,

so blown away. This is what the fourth, is this the fourth generation? That's all it is is a fourth.. You know how many, how many? I just imagine they upload that to a little robot that's their coach and you're doing the whole thing. Oh, dude, he showed me how, he showed me the whole conversation and I just sat there and read the whole thing. I was so, I mean, it made me consider like, hey, could I do this?

Could I just get under there? Finally, we're gonna have our own droids. Dude, I mean, it was so specific to what he needed, where to order it, send in the link here, you can buy it here for this much. Like, then use this, don't use that. Like, oh, bro, it was, it was crazy. And I didn't even think he was like prompting it over like you just get some real general pumps like help me do this. I don't know how to do this or hey, this isn't working.

Oh, we'll try this and do that it's like that yes it was it's him and i were just tripping out because i've seen other ways people are using it and i'm like when i told you i've seen people get diagnosed they'll upload their medical records and be like what's wrong with me and it comes out with a diagnosis because it combines the information from the hormone specialist and the you know the immunologist and whatever and it's able to compile all that i mean i tripped out my family member that used it for an argument, right? They were having an argument and they upload the debate that they were having and what the fight was over and basically, and I don't think they prompted this way. I think I would be like, you know, respond to us as if you

were Jordan Peterson. Like, you could totally prompt him to do something like that. And like, what would Jordan Peterson say to us right now? And then imagine how useful that could be if you just, if you agreed as a partner, as a relationship that, hey, when we get into this, let's just agree. We're going to upload this. Ask Jordan Peterson or ask some famous psychologists what they would say to us. And then just take the advice.

I just don't see any industry that is not going to have benefit or some kind of impact from AI. There's just everything. You mentioned even manual labor and skills and trades and all of that. They're going to incorporate it. That's why I was tripping so much about that, because that was the argument is just like, oh, trades will never get touched. It's like, well, I mean, it's pretty handy. You might not have, for a while, you might have robots actually doing the work, but I already see where they'll, they can- But as a cad have, you know, for a while, you might have robots actually doing the work, but I already see where they'll, they can, they can,

but as a caddy, you know, helping you. It's already superimposed plans with their phone, with apps, and it measures everything else. Have you seen, like, even with the VR, like how now they can do all the three-dimensional blueprints and be able to just start, and even with art, right? So you could do murals now and you just like follow the lines and it's all like expanded.

So now it cuts that time in a fraction of the time to do it. Well, yeah, it's, yeah. I mean, I think that's cool. I think it's cool that we're getting this point. The thing that the only thing right now is just, and I was telling my brother is like, it's just a lag that so many people don't even realize it. I mean, even myself, I still default to Google, but there is no reason to use

Google anymore. Like it's going to give you such a better answer than Google ever would, but I'm still conditioned to like look up something through Google when it's like, oh, wait a second, I should just add chat GBT that exact question. It's like watching cable TV. Yeah. You know what I've done? What I've done with it is I've done where I'll say, can you compile me the studies that are pro and against

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Our first caller is Noelle from Virginia. Hi, Noelle. Hi, Noelle. Hello. How are you? How can we help you? Good. How are y'all? Good. Good.

I usually listen to you guys, so it's a little surreal seeing you. Um, I'll get right to my email and not waste any time. Um, I just said, I've been listening to you guys for about a year now. Um, and I value your experience and knowledge and your recommendations. And I wanted to give you props, uh, right off the bat for partnering with really good, legit companies. You guys led me to Seed, which has been an absolute game changer for me with my gut issues. I have a medication injury from long term GLP use.

And it is remarkable the turnaround I had once I started using that so thank you guys for Picking really good companies to promote and partner with a little about me. I'm 46. I'm a single mom to a beautiful five-year-old boy. I Work Monday through Friday full-time. I'm on call 24 7 for my job. So I'm my times limited chronic diet or yo-yo weight constantly losing and regaining large amounts of weight. I knew that I needed to be strength training before I found you guys and I was just kind of grasping at whatever program I could grasp at without without really getting any results. My work schedule changed about a year ago and I wasn't able to get to a gym any longer. So at that time I bought a Tempo

home gym. I subscribed to their service but I still felt like I was working out too much and not getting the results that I needed. However, people were starting to comment and ask me, we know what I was doing to lose weight, even though my clothes weren't fitting any differently, scale wasn't budging. It was obvious that something was working because my body composition was changing. Um, but my body told me last October that I was in fact doing too much. And I came down with COVID. Um, and so I was, I was bench benched I was down for about six weeks and so I took that time to really prioritize on letting my body recover I worked on my

prioritizing my sleep and during that time I really dove into your programs and I settled on Maps 15 and 15 and MAPS Starter. And I took full advantage of your Black Friday sale last year. So last fall, I think it was around Thanksgiving, I started MAPS 15. I was about two weeks into it and my left knee started swelling up. So I was benched again. Fast forward to February, I underwent my second knee surgery in five years. The first one was on the right knee.

This time my surgeon took a fluid sample and sent it off to the lab and confirmed that I have a disease called pigmented villinodular synovitis or PVNS for short. So my knees are officially junk. At the time of the email, which was the beginning of April, I was still in physical therapy twice a week. I'm now down to once a week. And my just a little update from my email, my physical therapist gave me the okay to

restart maps 15 with some slight adjustments. So at this point, I guess, I'm still asking for your recommendations because you guys wrote the programming. Um, but I can't do Bulgarian split squats, things like Turkish get ups are an issue. Um, so I'm just, I want to maximize the results, my results also, but I'm, I'm also still kind of at that point where I'm starting all over again in that I'm reestablishing the habit of exercising and working it into my day. So I'm not really counting, you know, calories, I'm not counting weights, I'm not doing macros, I'm not, I'm not tracking

anything really, I'm not tracking how much I'm lifting. I am tracking reps and time on planks, but that's about all I'm tracking at this point. Right now I'm just trying to focus on my form so I don't re-injure. But I would just love to know what recommendations you have for people who have knee issues. This is something that will be recurring. It's not a matter of if, but when I will have to undergo another surgery. But keeping strong quads really helps with this disease. So I just want to make sure that I go into this appropriately

so I don't re-injure myself and so that I can still get the most out of your programming. Okay, great question. So I looked up, I had not heard of PVNS before, but I did look it up and so I read up a little bit about it. So I'm gonna start with kind of general advice I would give anybody with joint pain, whether it's osteoarthritis, there's autoimmune issues

that could cause joint pain, dysfunction, and then something like PVNS where the synovium, from what I've read, the membrane grows, and it can cause problems. It can cause problems with the joints and degradation of the joint. And so what they do is they go in and they have to remove some of the synovium

to alleviate this. So the general advice I give is always train within the limits of what are okay for your body. Okay, and that's true for anybody with any joint issue. So you want to challenge your range of motion, but don't go beyond what would cause pain, the wrong kind of pain, okay? Isometrics are your best friend.

So whenever you feel like there's a movement where you're like, man, I can't go past 45 degrees in this squat, what you can do is you can get past 45 degrees and do an isometric, because you can do is you can get past 45 degrees and do an isometric, because you're not moving the joint, you're just tensing the muscle while in that position. And isometrics build strength within a limited range of motion, but they will strengthen the range of motion that you can't normally get into.

So isometrics are safe, they're effective at building strength, and they don't require you to move in the joint, you know, in and out. So you could get into a part where you're like, okay, I can't go down that deep, but you could put your leg in that position, maybe push it up against something,

and just create an isometric contraction there, and hold that for 10 seconds, just to strengthen that range of motion that you normally can't get into. Physical therapy's great, correctional exercise is great, and then to look a little deeper with PVNS, and I would guess that like other conditions where you have cell division that just kind of goes unchecked,

that there may be some root in something immune system related, maybe autoimmune. So I'm not saying this would be the solution, but if I were you, and I'm not a doctor, but if I were you in your position, I would go to a functional medicine practitioner, and I would look at root cause stuff, which the benefit of will just make you healthier anyway. Maybe it doesn't help, PVNS,

but you will improve your health. And what they're gonna look at is things like gut health, they're gonna look at immune function, they're gonna look at is things like gut health. They're gonna look at immune function. They're gonna look at inflammatory markers. And then through things like diet and lifestyle and maybe supplementation, they'll be able to address just root cause kind of stuff, which may in fact improve this situation.

It may maybe slow it down or maybe cause it, maybe have it not be so bad or not accelerate so quickly, I don't know, but that's where I would look. I would look at, I would go functional medicine practitioner and let me look at kind of root cause stuff which tends to benefit everything. Not necessarily a solution but may benefit everything. In terms of training too, just to kind of bring it back

to that, besides isometric training, whenever there's limitations, this is really where, I don't know what access you have in terms of machines. This is where I would look towards more of a fixed situation for extension. I would also look at like the sled is a very, very helpful tool, especially if you have any kind of

knee pain, joint pain, to still get that contraction without you know the the added bit of stress that's going to create around the joints by squatting. And so to also use props, so if you have like access to any kind of suspension trainer doing squats with holding on a stick as well, the dumpy squat is amazing for this. If you're pushing up and you're creating tension, helps you to maximize your effort in terms of tension to get that kind of isometric contraction, but also get into ranges where you're gonna familiarize yourself there and get stronger and progressively kind of lower yourself and get depth. So that would be my suggestion. That's how I would kind of like start tailoring my leg exercises.

No, is it, is it all a leg movements in the programming or is it just in particular the Bulgarian split squats and then the Turkish get ups that bother you the most? Well, I haven't even attempted the Turkish get up. I haven't gotten that far today is actually I've been back at the maps 15 today's day nine. Okay. Um, so I haven't gotten to the Turkish getups yet, but the issue with the Turkish getups, I mean, I can get in and out of the floor. Um, but I can't put pressure on like on the front part of my knee. Yeah. Um, I can the right one. Now, granted I'm five years post-op on that knee, but on the left one, that's that's a no-go I can't put pressure on the front of it and I can't

if I'm you know Kneeled if I'm kneeling if you're in a kneeled position and you lean back I can't I don't have that kind of range of motion yet. Yeah. Yeah So I would just avoid those exercises that that are at any sort of discomfort to you and switch them out with the isometric holds. Wallsets or any of the movements that the guys are talking about. The sled might work. It'd be interesting to see how that felt because that would be amazing if you could do that with no discomfort. Because that'd be a great way to keep leg strength if it doesn't bother you. You're working out at home.

You should be able to do it. Yeah, you're working out a home, right Noel? Working at a home, yeah. The living room is my gym, it's our living room, my gym, and our playroom. Yeah, so they make sleds that are on wheels that you can increase the tension, and if you have space in your garage or something,

you can store it, and then what you could do is a couple days a week, you just push the sled. And it's one of the safest in terms of like you know for I would have people do a sled who had surgery who had knee problems there's no eccentric there's no lowering you're just pushing and I would keep the intensity moderate and that is great for for building strength it's also great for building strength in your foot and your ankle as well which all of of that helps with knee stability.

Yes, yes it does, yeah, okay. Yeah, but yeah, move, stay within the boundaries of what you could do without causing the wrong kind of pain. So if that means it's a Bulgarian split stand squat with two inches of range of motion, then that's okay. Okay. So you could take any exercise and do that. Okay.

And then the isometrics are literally like, I could sit down, I could put like a chair up against the wall, put my foot up against the wall, and then just push into the wall. Yeah. And that's an isometric, for example. And a lot of times just, you know, even if you're in a squat rack or you have a wall accessible,

just to have that little bit of stability while you're doing that so you can find that range of motion more effectively. So balance isn't as much of a factor. We wanna like keep it kind of isolated. I know I thought about the suspension trainer as a cool tool for her to where she could use the suspension trainer to kind of hold and support

as she gets down in those positions. So that would be- Yeah, and I wouldn't have even thought about doing that, but that makes total sense, yeah. Yeah, so always think like that, especially with your knees. By the way, it's only your knees that are affected, right? So far.

Okay, okay. Usually, I just literally read for five minutes it says usually it's the knees and it doesn't, okay. So yeah, I would just stay within those ranges of motion and use isometrics and I think you'll be great with that. And then I would look at, I would work with a functional medicine practitioner because there's been many cases where people have,

I know it's not categorized as autoimmune, but it is immune related because you have cells that are divide, not cancerous, but they're just dividing rapidly and causing the synovium to thicken from what I've read. So that is a dysfunction of the immune system to stop that from happening. And I've had many clients with all kinds of

interesting autoimmune issues work with a functional medicine practitioner and just notice a reduction in their symptoms, I mean across the board. So that would be where I would look also. Dr. Cabral's team is fantastic. Yeah. Okay, yeah we don't, where I live in Virginia, we don't really have much options for that kind of medicine.

We have a few, a handful of them around here, but they're really, really, really expensive. You could do it virtually. Yeah. You could do it virtually and work with somebody. They are not. They're not cheap, though, that's for sure. I know.

I know. Yeah. It's quite the investment. And listen, if you don't do that then the you know self way of would be to do like an elimination diet where you just completely get down to Yeah, yeah, and then do that for a while slowly Yeah, and experiment yourself by introducing foods and pay close attention to how you feel from it So that would be the other way to go about it yourself.

Yeah, yeah. So far we've discovered that dairy is gonna be a no-go from here on out. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you already in our private forum? I'm not, no. I'll have Doug put you in there. That way we can keep an eye on you

and as you go through this process, if you have any more questions, you can just message the guys and I inside there. You know what, Noel, as far as diet is concerned. I do know And this is clinical like key Ketogenic diets are very anti-inflammatory Have you tried a ketogenic diet? I Thrived on a ketogenic diet and I was on a keto diet right up until I got pregnant and

I I just never life just really got in the way for a long time. But that is, I am working with a nutritionist. So that is something that I could bring up and I have thought to bring that up with her. But right now we're just kind of working on like really healing my gut from, you know, they're treating me like I have IBS. I did a med reconciliation with a pharmacist who actually said you have gastroparesis from the long-term use of this medication. So, you know, yeah, I just have to be,

right now I have to be very, very careful about what I eat. Okay, okay, heard that. All right, well, we'll have you on the forum and then keep us updated, please. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you so much for calling. Appreciate y'all. Thank you.

Yeah, it's interesting, when I read up on... That's a first for me. Yeah, so it's like, think of like non-cancerous cell division of the synovium, which is, you know, so it's probably under her kneecap. And it's just... It's just removed. It thickens and grows, and it can cause, you know.

Sounds super uncomfortable. Yeah, I mean that's from what I've read. Pressure, yeah. Yeah, and so for me, again, I'm not a doctor, but when I look at cell division, that's uncontrolled immune system, by the way ketogenic diet seems to have a, it's one time inflammatory and helps with cell division.

Yeah, I was gonna say anything that keeps inflammation down would be ideal. I mean, just that keeps inflammation down would be ideal. Right. I mean, just logical, right? So I'm sure that on the diet, even if the diet's not going to most likely heal it, but it should reduce the symptoms quite a bit. But you know, the suspension trainer would be a great tool. Isometrics, sled, if she can do it.

I mean, investing in a sled, I just think it's crucial. Yep. And the situation we got our next caller is Cody from Texas. What's happening, Cody? Hey guys, pretty cool. Pretty cool. How can we help you? Uh, I'll just read my question. I'm pretty nervous. Um, says, Hey guys, I'm preparing my first venture into a MAPS program. I bought several programs but decided to start with MAPS 15 Advanced because it most matched the workouts I had equipment for at home and workouts that I enjoy doing. I wanted to try the 15 style because I'm feeling fatigued lately from where I was in my own programming

I did myself before and I think at times I was over training after listening to y'all. It is also very difficult during the spring with kids sports and other things sometimes going late into the night. My question is I did not see a directive on what weight I should be shooting for, what RIR should be the goal for the workout, and should we generally get a few reps from failure with every set or what is the target? I like to plan my workouts down to the weight when possible or otherwise I spend too much time sitting there staring at it and waste time. Yeah, no, great question.

By the way, Maps 15 Advanced for people listening is Maps 15. In Maps 15 there's a version that you could do, the advanced version, so that's what he's referring to. Train about two reps short of failure, no matter what program you're following of ours, unless it specifically says- Little bit in the tanks.

Go to failure, yeah. So it's high intensity, but not to failure. And you may have heard us talk about this before, but this is the tip that I always like to give clients. Because let's say you and I are training the first time, we're getting ready to do bench press. I have no idea your strength, and I guess a weight and I just throw it on there and I see and we're going to 10 reps and you can tell by rep 8 this is super easy

you could have done double the weight. What you do in a situation like that is slow those last couple reps way down. So if you know you chose a weight and it was too easy that you could easily do 10 more reps or 5 more reps beyond that, just slow the last few reps way down and you will get, you will bring that intensity up as if you had more weight on it. Instead of worrying about, oh shit, that was too light, I could have done more weight. It's like, choose a weight you know for sure you can get 10 reps in and then if you find as you get to rep 6, 7, oh wow, this is really easy, then those last three or four reps, I slow way down and intensify it that way

and you will reap the benefits of doing that. That's right, no need to add more weight. Okay, and then, so if you have four sets of 15, do you need to try to add weight or you just still try to stay at that two hour, or whatever you think that weight is as you go? Either way is totally fine. Either way is totally fine and missing the rep target is not that big of a deal. But either way that's totally fine. By the

way the reason why there's two reasons why there's sets in a workout. One of them is because volume contributes to progress. The other one is because as you're doing the sets you figure that out as you go through the workout. You know whether you add weight or take it off. I mean, straight up these days, Cody, for me, my training, when I was younger, it was always about, let's see how much weight I could add. These days, it's about, can I make this weight feel heavier

without having to add weight? So you'll rarely see me in the gym after a set, go back and add weight. I typically do exactly what Adam said. Okay, I wanna do 10 reps, can I make this feel hard at 10 reps is what I do these days. And it gives you great results and it perfects your form. I'm currently in phase two and with sets of 15,

it doesn't take much for me to make it hard. Yeah, tell me about it. It's a lot of reps. Especially on the lower body stuff. Right, no, totally. No, 100%. Not fun for me at all. Yeah, that's really good.

But yeah, no, thank you guys, I really love the show. I don't miss an episode. I don't know for maybe the past year I've been listening probably every episode. Have a buddy that's been listening forever that tried to get me, tried to get me started and I just, I don't know for whatever reason, but I finally did now and I love it man. That's true. Shout him out since he's the one that's been listening for a long time. Who is it? Listen to your brother. That's Jan Bradford. He was a personal trainer for a long time. He's doing other things now, but yep.

Oh, smart personal trainer then for sure. Yeah, yeah. Great, excellent. Well welcome aboard. We're glad we got you now. Thank y'all. Thank y'all a lot. Thank you for everything you do. Thank you, Steve. Yeah, what you said Adam is was, that's a fitness maturity. Like that's literally what my workouts look like.

Now I go into that. I do one warmup set and then I get into my set. And if it's too light, then I make it heavy by making it feel heavy. I almost never add weight and I get better results. Well, adding, adding weight, uh, adds volume and intensity, slowing down. The reps adds, adds that intensity and the volume. So you're getting that by doing that. So it's the same, the body doesn't really know the difference.

It just, yeah, it feels intensity and it knows it's being overloaded. So this idea that we always have to stack weight on all the time. That's mostly true. The first one to three years of training, what's important to just get stronger. Yeah. But then after that, it's like, That's mostly true the first one to three years of training. It's important to just get stronger. But then after that, it's like, you get- It's really like finding those numbers for yourself. Once you know those numbers, it's like, yeah,

manipulating tempo and all that. And there's nothing wrong with increasing the weight. So I'm not saying that either. It's just that it's not that big of a deal if you pick the weight too light. That's how you solve it. Sometimes I pick the weight and it's like perfect. It's like, oh yeah, right?

The last rep or two was really difficult. It's like, okay, that's a good weight for me today. Other I pick the weight and it's like perfect. It's like, oh yeah, right. Last rep or two was really difficult. It's like, okay, that's a good weight for me today. Other times I pick it and I'm like, oh wow, this is a lot easier. And then I just slow it down. So you just don't have to overthink it. Our next caller is Sloan from South Carolina. Hey Sloan.

How are you doing? Hi. How are you? Good, how are y'all? We're doing great. How can we help you? Yeah, so I was wondering what y'all? We're doing great. How can we help you? Yeah. So I was wondering what y'all think about, um, like the NASM certification for, um, 16 year olds, because I'm 16 and I am interested in like a career in health and fitness. And I was

just wondering if like, that's the best choice and and what I should be doing for anything to set me up for success in this field. Wow, you are so exciting. Yeah, first of all, okay, so I also see in your question that you're also, you're shadowing at a physical therapy clinic as well? Yes, sir. Yeah, you are way ahead.

Yeah, yeah. I have no, if I had to, if you were a company, I would buy stock, because you're for sure gonna do well at your age doing these things already. And ESM is great for education. When it comes to education and learning things like general structured programming, biomechanics, anatomy, I think that they're

absolutely the best. So go through them, learn all you can, and then the most important thing you can do that will help ensure your success is to get mentored by other trainers or coaches who are really doing a good job. So the fact that you're already shadowing at a PT clinic is excellent.

What you're gonna learn in the physical, and I'm sure this is what you're paying attention to, but learn correctional exercise there. They're the best at correctional exercise. And trainers that know correctional exercise are so far ahead of other trainers. It's one of the most valuable skills that you can get. So keep doing that.

And then when you get old enough to train, because most gyms won't let you train unless you're get, so keep doing that. And then when you get old enough to train, because most gyms won't let you train unless you're 18, when you get to that age, then find a gym that has good management and staff that you could shadow and learn from. But NASM's a great choice. I mean, I could only imagine turning 18 years old and you coming in to apply at my gym

and you've got two years of shadowing experience at a physical therapist, you have NASM and you have NAS to apply at my gym and you've got two years of shadowing experience at a physical therapist, you have NASM and you have NASM corrective exercise specialist under your belt. Tired. I don't see anybody not giving you a job. So that would be, that's probably what I would do. I think NSM is a great start. That's a perfect foundation for all pursuits related to personal training, getting the shadowing in like you're doing right now at the physical therapy. And then the next cert I would do is the corrective exercise specialist,

which hopefully will be somewhat familiar to you because you're working and hanging around a physical therapist. So a lot of the conversation and the communication around the exercise programming will seem similar and we'll help you through that. Those two certifications with that experience, uh, it would be, it would be hard for you to not, not find a job. It'd be very easy to get a job. What's your favorite part right now about training?

I mean, I just love the idea of helping people and I mean, strength training specifically has just been such a huge part of my life as far as like my mental health and obviously my physical health as well. So I just think that it would be a career where I could share that with people. Sounds really amazing. How what got you into this at your age? Well, when I was like 14, I struggled really badly with an eating disorder. And really the only thing that was able to effectively shift my mindset from being as small as possible to anything else, you know,, strength training and just the gym and becoming strong.

So yeah, and it's, there's nothing, no therapy and no any motivational, nothing was able to help me as much as going to the gym was. And so, and it's the only thing that hasn't been kind of toxic for me as far as exercise because everything else before then, before strength training was kind of would go downhill very quickly. Oh man. Who introduced you to fitness? Who got you introduced?

Well, I mean, honestly, it just the internet, you know, just, I mean, people like y'all listening to your podcasts and just finding, searching out information, trying to help myself a little bit. And then my dad was definitely a big part of it as well, but I don't think he really knew how, to what extent it has been a part of my life. You're very growth-minded, has anybody told you that? No. Yeah, you're very, very growth-minded.

You're gonna do really, really well. Keep staying on this path, you're doing great. Do we have you, are you in any of our trainer groups? Are you following any of our training advice and stuff like that? No sir. Okay, so we have a training page on Instagram, and then we have a Facebook group for trainers.

Are you watching any of our webinars, or we just released three episodes for trainers, did you listen to those? I did, yeah. Awesome, awesome. Yeah, you're gonna do great. Yeah. You're gonna do really, really great.

You're so far ahead of everybody. Yeah, I can't imagine how great of a trainer you're gonna be just when you first start out. Well, you stay in touch with us over the next couple years, maybe you'll come work for Mind Pump. That's it. So. Right, thank y'all.

Not even joking. Yeah, for real. Not even joking. Tell your parents good job, by the way. Keep doing what you're doing. Yes, that's so awesome. That is so awesome. She even communicated it so well as a kid

over how it helped her. But I mean, if she's already at a PT clinic learning from physical therapists, she's gonna start day one light years ahead of everybody else that just gets started. It's gonna be forever to get to that point everybody else that just physical therapy background with NASM and corrective exercise specialist through an ASM and you are a lethal trainer right out the gates like 90% of the type of clients that you'll get yeah just that alone gets you a career yeah well you'll be able to service most your people I was just talking to a family

friend about this like when you get into personal training, you end up training, normally not everybody this is, but this overgeneralization, for myself, most people I know, end up training totally different than what you thought you were gonna train. I mean, I think as a young, like a young kid like this that was getting into fitness, I thought I was gonna be training athletes

and bodybuilders and people that really cared. None of my clients were like that. Maybe 1% were like that. The rest were normal ass people. So it's so rare. I mean, she's in that clinical setting. She's learning, absorbing all the stuff that really matters already.

It's like, wow. You called it, dude, as she was talking. I'm like, ugh, I wish she was old enough to hire. I could tell right out the gate, like she has the character and the kind of heart that we're looking for with trainers that work for us. She would be, she's a killer. Hopefully we can find her in two years.

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