Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2623: Five Weird Signs Your Heart is Unhealthy & More (Listener Coaching)

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: 5 weird signs your heart is unhealthy. (1:33) Probiotics for fat loss. (24:02) Fun Facts with Justin: The platypus. (25:51) Kids say the darndest things. (29:05) A pop. (34:45) Pirate hunting cruises. (42:37) Stuff that irritates the guys in the fitness space. (45:08) Mind Pump is looking for trainers. Apply today! (52:05) #Quah question #1 – I'm a 35-year-old father with 2 young children. How do I know when to push strength or focus on controlling the weight? I want to build muscle, stay strong, and get stronger, but I do not want to injure myself either, so I can't lift? (53:59) #Quah question #2 – When doing sumo deadlifts, deadlifts, RDLs am I progressing too quickly with the weight, because my legs can take it, but my SI Joint gets achy. Or is there something else at play? (59:00) #Quah question #3 – Is there such a thing as squatting too deep? I’ve heard of “Butt Wink” but I’m not sure if that is actually something to worry about. (1:01:07) #Quah question #4 – What’s the number #1 piece of advice you would give to a personal training studio wanting to grow and look for good trainers? (1:04:05) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off** Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code 25MINDPUMP at checkout for 25% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01® Daily Synbiotic** Special MAPS Longevity Launch: ** Code 50LONG for $50 off, now $97 (regularly $147). Bonuses: Forum access for a year ($97), Post-Launch Kickoff Zoom call ($97). Expires on 6/22 (30-day money-back guarantee). ** June Special: Shredded Summer Bundle or Bikini Bundle 50% off! ** Code JUNE50 at checkout ** Silent Heart Attack: Signs, Symptoms & Recovery Beetroot juice increase nitric oxide metabolites in both men and women regardless of body mass The combined effects of probiotics and restricted calorie diet on the anthropometric indices, eating behavior, and hormone levels of obese women with food addiction : a randomized clinical trial Evaluating probiotic efcacy on weight loss in adults with overweight through a double-blind, placebo-controlled randomized trial The Weird Way Platypuses Feed Their Babies Timbaland Announces New AI Entertainment Company Paying Money to Murder: Russian Luxury Yachts Offer Pirate Hunting Cruises Internal Focus of Attention did Not Change Muscle Activation and the Rate of Perceived Exertion in Bench Press Exercise in Successive Training Sessions Mind Pump Personal Training – Apply today! Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off ** Mind Pump # 1535: Should You Squat Below Parallel? MAPS Prime Pro Webinar Online Personal Training Course | Mind Pump Fitness Coaching ** Approved provider by NASM/AFAA (1.9 CEUs)! Grow your business and succeed in 2025. ** Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Shawn Stevenson (@shawnmodel) Instagram   Andrew Huberman, Ph.D. (@hubermanlab) Instagram  

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mapsfitnessproducts.com and then use the code June 50 for the discount. Here comes the show. 66% of heart deaths happen without any obvious signs. In fact there's five weird signs that are red flags that may be telling you that your heart is unhealthy. We're gonna get into them and then we're gonna get into what you can do to improve the health of your heart. The scary fits it. This is you talking to yourself right here. No.

You're the guy that gets like a symptom and oh my god I'm gonna die. No, no, no. That's why I can't. WebMD. Yeah, you've Googled this is how this came up right here. No, no, it's because, you know, heart issues, the number one cause of death in modern societies, and by a long shot, and I have family members

who had signs that were like strange, and they didn't show up, and the next thing you know, they had a heart attack, and I thought this would be a great fit tip, but also to talk about the things that the data shows significantly improve heart health, and some of them are obvious, some of them not so obvious. But let's start with some of these weird signs. By the way, none of these signs are pain.

So we all know the classic left arm pain, crushing chest pain, that type of deal. Majority of people get a heart attack without those symptoms, which I did not know. 66%, significant percentage of people who have a heart attack without feeling it in those ways. Interesting. Yes, all right, so here's the first one, poor sleep.

This one's hard though, dude. Of course. Everybody gets poor sleep. They do, but what this probably looks like is a sudden, random, what is going on kind of poor sleep. It's like everything's fine. Nothing changed. I'm not going through a hormonal change because that can happen as well. I don't have any crazy stress. My bedroom hasn't changed.

You know, I'm not taking more stimulants like just all of a sudden I have really really bad I'm not taking more stimulants. Just all of a sudden I have really, really bad sleep. By the way, that's a red flag for health in general. And it can mean a few different things. It can mean hormone issues sometimes. So when I would train female clients, so we're going through like paramedicopause, metapositive things.

It can mean stress and anxiety. It can be temperature. It can be a whole host of things. And by the way, on its own, it doesn't mean you have heart issues. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's like, this by itself, less of an indicator But this paired with the other some of the other ones. Yeah is what you'd want to pay attention to the next one is random anxiety

This also again by itself Probably okay, but you're getting poor sleep plus random anxiety. Hmm. What's going on? Yeah, I know too even with my wife It was like when her thyroid was a bit off like the anxiety really ran Oh, yeah, that was like the hormone factor to that actually was was huge Doug checks both these boxes go on to three now Well, he's all right with the next one fatigue after small efforts This one's a pretty big red flag. If suddenly you're doing your normal stuff, you're going up the stairs and you're just like, out of breath, or you go take the groceries out of the car,

something you do all the time, and you're just like, really, really, really out of breath. Not when you make noises when you tie your shoes, though. That just means you're a dad. Yeah, it's just, yeah. That's a dad noise. I would imagine this one is probably the more obvious or the more likely one that you would notice the most,

that you're gonna stand out the most, right? Yeah, dude, fatigue after small efforts, that can be a warning sign, especially for persists. It's like, what is going on? Why am I so exhausted? Well, yeah, especially if you've gone up your flight of stairs a million times that you lived in that house for 20 years, and now all of a sudden you go

and you have to grab the rail and go, oh, that was a lot. Okay, to me, that feels, I feel like that would be more obvious than tonight was a bad night's sleep, or I would've lived in anxiety. I remember you had that after COVID, remember, for a little while?

I remember you saying, like, you'd go for a walk and you were tired. Yeah, I remember I'd go for this little short walk. It was so bad that afterwards, I would midday have to take take a 30 minute nap I just I would I can never I'm the opposite of you right you could fall asleep right away anywhere I can't sleep in the middle of day just almost impossible I have to be super but after COVID I remember right right after I had it I

remember that for about a month afterwards I had that fatigue like that that was very obvious to me because it was so out of the norm and that's what it should be right because out of the norm. And that's what it should be. It should be kind of out of the norm type of fatigue. Shortness of breath, walking up the stairs. That's I think a kind of obvious one, where you just feel like you're gasping. Like what's going on?

I feel like I just ran, but I didn't. And then last, cold hands and feet. These are circulatory. They can point to circulatory issues. A lot of people with cold hands and cold feet, again, I feel like this is one of those out of the ordinary types of things where it's uncomfortable, where they feel like

they're really, really cold and you don't know why. You know, type of deal. All right, so let's get into some of the stuff. Doug, and if you can order those in a way that are easier to read, that'd be great. Let's get into some of the things that the data has shown to significantly improve or impact heart health. And we'll start with diet, right?

Diet has a huge impact on the health of your heart, but there are particular things in diet that have a bigger impact than others. Now this is something that we talk about all the time on the podcast, which is to eat a higher protein diet and eat the protein first. Now why is this good for heart health?

Well this helps with insulin sensitivity and issues with blood sugar or insulin insensitivity or resistance strongly connected to heart issues and heart disease. And eating protein factor studies that show that if you eat a high protein breakfast, no matter what you eat for the rest of the day, your blood sugar is more controlled as a result of that. Now that can't actually, that can't trump calorie intake though.

No, no, no. Because in the context of a calorie deficit, I would imagine that probably would relieve that the most. And in a surplus, this becomes far more important. Yeah, well, it's important in both. But what you're talking about is the next point, which is to avoid processed foods. If people just didn't eat processed foods,

what you would find for a majority, not everybody, but a majority of people, is their body weight issues would largely be solved. everybody, but a majority of people is their body weight issues would largely be solved. You would see, I think if we eliminated processed foods, the obesity epidemic would mostly not be an epidemic anymore and that's because they just make you overeat. Like simply, I could say right now don't overeat because that would be the advice, but I know that that's difficult, almost impossible if your diet is 70-80% processed foods like most Americans. Don't overeat, because that would be the advice. But I know that that's difficult, almost impossible,

if your diet is 70, 80% processed foods, like most Americans. Avoiding those foods, you follow your natural hunger signals, and you tend to eat a more appropriate calorie diet, so just avoid those foods. It was my favorite way to help a client of mine that was severely overweight, that knew they over-consumed calories all the time, and not putting them on anything

too restrictive. I would simply, and they would always bounce back with, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, how much can I eat? Or do I need to cut? And I was like, no. Just eat when you're hungry, but just do that. Just eat from these foods. And I normally would list off a bunch of foods for them

that were whole foods to choose from. So you choose anything you want from there, just eat that first and just go from there and let's see where you land. And boy, the weight would just fall right off. And it's not restrictive. No, they don't even feel like they're dieting. Yeah. And so you tell somebody who knows they overeat and needs to lose a significant amount of weight that you're not going to cut their calories, even though you know what you're doing. Right? So I know, yeah, I know I'm cutting his calories, right? He doesn't know

that because I'm telling him, eat as much as you want, just so long as they're within these food groups. But then it's like, they don't have that psychological battle of I can't do this. It's like, okay, well, coach says I can, if I'm hungry, eat, just I gotta eat from that list. Like, okay, I can do that, that seems reasonable, and so much success.

In my experience, when I had clients who had weight to lose, they would typically lose about half the weight that their goal weight loss was by this alone. Half. So I gotta lose 30 pounds, 15 pounds will come off with something like this. I'm gonna lose 20 pounds, 10 pounds will come off just by doing this alone.

Without me even talking about protein, carbohydrates, fats, or calories, or anything else, this alone would typically handle half of the weight loss. And to your point, Adam, my favorite part would be people come to me and say, I don't know what's happening. I'm eating until I'm full, how am I losing weight? Because it was just, they felt satisfied. Because that's what heavily processed foods do,

they make you overeat. Do you know if the American Heart Association has updated? No. Because before that it was very deliberately targeted to saturated fats and cholesterol, to avoid by all means necessary. So we're going to get to that, but one thing that they did that made me upset is they did not come out and, for lack of a better term, condemn heavily processed foods.

Their point was, well eat, make sure you don't overeat. Yeah, okay, that's, of course. By the way, so much of their funding. What contributes to that the most? So much of their funding comes from these food companies that they have a very strong incentive to not say don't eat these foods. But if I took two groups of people,

100 people in this group, 100 people in this group, and this group I said cut your calories by 500, and this group I said don't eat heavily processed foods, and then followed them for four years, the one who's avoiding heavily processed foods would be far more successful than the one who I told to cut their calories. All right, so fats, let's talk about fats here. Here's the deal with saturated fats.

There are polymorphisms, in other words, there are genetic differences, where some people do need to watch their saturated fat intake, because it does contribute to blood lipid levels in them that are not ideal for heart health, or that have been connected to increased risk of heart issues. There are however another significant percentage, a pretty large

percentage of people, probably more than half, where this is not an issue. So long as calories are appropriate, everything else is good, I'm one of those people. Like my diet is so high in saturated fats, it's not even funny. Like I eat probably two pounds of red meat a day. It is grass fed, so it's got a better fatty acid profile, but I still have a lot of saturated fat from there, from eggs, from other stuff. And my blood lipids always look incredible.

I can't make them go bad by doing that. And there's lots of people like that when their diet is otherwise healthy, this doesn't cause a problem. Now there are some people, and it's a smaller percentage than half. It's smaller, a lot. Yeah, where they'll do everything right,

then they'll come back and be like, ah, my blood lipids just don't look ideal. Everything else looks okay. Do you think in that case they're still under the calories still, or do you think they're also probably hitting maintenance to surplus? When you drop calories, a lot of magic happens.

I mean, the reason why you keep hearing me go back to that is just for this simple fact. It's like one of the best things that you could possibly do is just get in a calorie deficit right away. And it clears up so many of these problems. No matter who you are or how sensitive you are to anything, just simply getting in a deficit. It seems that if you overeat saturated fats and you're in a surplus

and then you also are sensitive to those things, it can be really bad for you. Yeah, but I've had a couple, not a lot, I've had a few clients like this where they were doing everything right and the blood lipids weren't perfect, they weren't the best. They were okay, but there were a few things in there that were not great, and we just had them reduce their saturated fat intake, replace it with polyunsaturated fat or fish, and they saw great improvement. So that is the case for some people. So I'm not one of those fitness people that's like,

don't worry ever about saturated fat. Now there are cases, but like you said, Adam, oftentimes you're eating too much of everything. You're eating garbage, you're not exercising. It's not the saturated fats, all the other stuff. Do you also think too, it makes a difference if it's coming from a place like red meat, so a high protein version of that,

versus just like pure saturated fat from other things, like oil, processed food. Of course, absolutely. And also, that's the other reason why I see when you see these markers on somebody who has higher saturated fats. Like well where are you getting your high saturated fat? And are you hitting your protein intake through whole foods? It's like. I had one client, Jim, Doug knows him, who I mean this guy was like. This is a swimmer guy, right? Yeah dude. And he was in his, at the time, late 60s, but like super fit, did everything right, ate a lot of red meat. And his numbers came back and they weren't bad,

but he's like, you know Sal, I'd like to see my HDL go up a little bit and I'd like to see these numbers change a little bit, what can I do? And all I had him do was change from conventional, he was retired so he always tried to save money with food, but we switched from traditional beef to grass finished beef. That's all we did, and we saw an improvement because the fatty acid profile is better

in that kind of meat. Fiber, fiber's another one. Funny part though about that, just again side note, is you also reduce calories by doing that. Yep, and increase protein. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. So, you know, it's like, was it because of that or was it because it also brought its calories out?

You're right, yeah, that's a good point because he didn't track. That's a good point, very good point. Next up is fiber. Contrary to what the carnivore diet fanatics say, fiber has a lot, a lot, a lot of data to show its protective benefits. Fiber's also satiating, by the way.

Protein is very satiating. Do you know what's under that for satiety? Fiber. Fiber is a great way to get yourself to eat more appropriately with your calories. Fiber comes in fruits and vegetables. And it's got great effects on heart health. Now, I don't think eating fiber-infused processed foods

is the way to go. I remember in the 80s and 90s, there was this high push for fiber, and what people ended up eating were these cereals that were super high fiber cereals. Great way to get gastric upset and blow. Have you guys ever eaten like... The shredded wheat that's just basically like a bale of hay.

Little tiny bale of hay. I like shredded wheat, bro. Dude, frosted. Yeah, frosted. Frosted bale of hay. That's the only way it's edible. That's not the same thing. I remember eating, I think it was grape nuts.

I ate a whole bunch. Oh, god, that's a lot of fiber. Bro, I felt like, oh, my stomach got so, because fiber will do that a few certain kinds of fiber But fiber is important and fiber Besides protein fiber was the other thing that I would look at it was there was this That's why I think it's so crazy that community that tries to hate on it Like you don't need it is that was such a simple fix for so many my almost always when I had a client almost always not

Always, but almost always when a client had digestive issues always when I had a client, almost always, not always, but almost always when a client had digestive issues, I would look into their fiber and they were grossly under consuming. I would have like go to, I'd have them eat like two cups of berries and like a spinach salad thing and like all of a sudden, and do that for like three days in a row and like fixed. Yep. And so the fact that there's people that try and say that it's unnecessary, it's like, I can't think of, there's so many clients that that simple piece of advice

helped them so much. Yeah. All right, next up, this is a great topic for heart health, is boost nitric oxide in the body. I looked this up in preparation for this episode. By age 40, the average person's nitric oxide levels drop by 40%. So nitric oxide, those of us in the fitness space

know it because it's like, boost nitric oxide, get a better pump. What it does is it dilates blood vessels, improves blood flow, it'll lower your blood pressure a little bit, and it contributes to really healthy blood vessels, really healthy blood vessels. What's the prevailing theory on why you would drop that much by your 40s?

What are we doing different in our 40s that would cause that? I would imagine it has to do with diet and activity and hormone changes. Because I'd like to see that tested in a fit and healthy population and see if there's a difference there. So this is like the average person.

So if we took the average fit and healthy 40-year-old, would it be lower like that? I don't think so. I don't think so. I'm so surprised we have it. I mean, we just had our friend Drew Canole on here and talking to him Organifi products. I'm surprised that that hasn't been like a marketing strategy

for them for 40 plus people with the red juice Oh, yeah, because that's what that's well. No you just said it so beets and beet You know beet powder supplement like like you want to talk about people talk about citrulline Citrulline will do it a little bit it pales in comparison to beets and beet powder that will boost nitric oxide a lot a natural nice a lot and the studies on that in athletic performance are amazing by the way, like endurance athletes. So boosting nitric oxide doesn't really improve strength performance.

I saw some studies where people at altitude. Yeah, like endurance wise. Endurance, yeah. Yeah, but I wonder what a difference it made. I would love to see that tested with like a healthy fit 40 year old and then somebody who is under on that, like to your point. When somebody's unhealthy and they supplement with,

they take beets or beet powder, you see improvement in blood pressure and endothelial health as a result. And you'll probably feel that then for sure at work out. Yes, in fact, you should see the studies on beet root powder and beets and erectile dysfunction. I was just gonna say erectile dysfunction because you see that as you're aging.

By the way, that's another red flag for heart health is erectile dysfunction. That's actually one of the first signs that your cardiovascular system is a little bit. You're lacking blood flow and talking blood there. Speaking of which, PDE5 inhibitors like Viagra, Cialis, great for boosting nitric oxide. And they're showing studies that people who take them,

it's funny too. Because like. Go, go, go Viagra. When I first started reading these studies, and I didn't know too much about PDE5 inhibitors, and I saw studies like, you know, people who use Viagra regularly, like their instance of heart disease,

heart attack has significantly dropped. Like, well they're having more sex. That's what's happening. That's not the case. I remember being a teenager in the gym. Well it being a teenager in the gym where I used to lift and you actually saw Viagra and stuff on the... I remember always thinking it was more than once that you saw somebody in the locker room. In the locker room?

Yeah, in the locker room. What gym were you in, by the way? This was over... We shot in it. Remember the gym that we shot? Oh, yeah. For aesthetic. Yeah, remember when we... Bodybuilders were using that stuff for the pump in the gym. Yeah. I mean, I had no idea. I was knew what I knew what Viagra was and is a teenager But I was like why would this be in a gym like who's like yeah, is it really somebody who's like

How great it was for pumps another oh, that's a that, that's interesting. Kind of an expensive way to do it. Yeah, here's another thing, you gotta see the studies on this, mouthwash. Mouthwash kills the bacteria that produces nitric oxide. Okay, oh interesting. Yeah, so mouthwash. I've known about why it's not good, just because it kills the microbiome in your mouth,

which is important. Yeah, there is. connected to the 100. Oh I've heard that a lot with dental mouth health they also like being correlated to heart yeah yeah that's also you know by the way i'm so glad you said that i believe that there is some value in mouthwash for certain people who have you know issues with like permeability of their gums. Like they bleed a lot because bacteria can get in the blood system in your blood. So I don't think this is true across the board, but otherwise mouthwash, like using it regularly for fresh breath or whatever, you're killing your nitric oxide, uh, is what's happening.

Lifting weights. Another great way to boost nitric oxide and blood flow. Um, you'll notice when you start strength training is that you'll suddenly be able to get a better pump in your muscles and the blood flow as a result. So strength training. And then sauna, regular sauna use. I think if I'm not mistaken,

three days a week of sauna use reduced all-cause mortality by 40%, a significant percentage of which is heart-related mortality, just because a sauna, what a sauna literally does to your blood vessels is it simulates exercise. It causes dilation, strengthens them, again, endothelial health.

Have you guys put one in your house yet? I'm about to. I just told Katrina literally. I'll make it a space for you. I just told her yesterday. Did you buy one? I haven't yet. Okay, let's literally. I'm making a space for you. I just told her yesterday. Did you buy one? I haven't yet. Okay, let's go in the same place.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now you have the little pod, don't you? I'm gonna get like a full on one. I wanna put it in my backyard. Yeah. Like a full on one. Oh, like the barrel one? Yeah, not necessarily a barrel one,

but that style outside that's an outdoor version. We're gonna put it in our room next to the bathroom because then I like to get in the shower right afterwards. But I mean, it's so healthy for you. It improves VO2 max. If you lift weights now and all you do is add sauna afterwards, your endurance goes up significantly just from adding that.

You're not even working out more. In fact, it actually speeds up recovery. Yeah, it's a total hack. That's right. Next is to move daily. Steps is a great way to track this. About 8,000 steps a day will give you about 80% of the benefits of moving.

You'll get more benefits with more walking, but 8,000 steps is super, I think that's super achievable for most people. And then the last thing is a don't, don't smoke. Yeah, that is like. Anything else related smoking. It just takes, oh man, that's the first thing they look for an insurance company, doctors, the first question they asked you, have you smoked?

I trained a few cardiovascular doctors and vascular surgeons. And I remember one of them who's about to retire. So he'd been doing it for decades, and I asked him, I said, I was expecting him to say diet or lack of exercise, I said, what's the number one commonality you have among all of your patients? He goes, hands down smoking. Hands down. Hands down.

He goes, it is the worst thing you could do for your blood vessels and your heart health. Yeah, do you think that's just because so many people people used to? And there's like a correlation with that just because like it's like more than half the population at one point was smoking cigarettes. Oh no, he had like 90 something percent

of his patients smoked. So it was like most of, yeah, it was super, super obvious. So yeah, I don't know. It's more than just a slight bias. Speaking of studies, I got a fat loss study that is really interesting. New? Well, I don't think I've talked about this one before, so it's really interesting. You ready?

Yeah. A 2022 randomized trial found that Bifidobacterium, this is a type of probiotic, so we know it's beneficial, combined with a calorie-restricted diet, so they compared this to a group who just had a calorie-restricted diet. One group, calorie deficit, the other group, calorie deficit, plus using this probiotic. It led to greater weight loss and reduced waist circumference compared to diet alone. Then lactobacillus by itself has been linked to reduced visceral fat in overweight adults. So in other words, in another study,

they took overweight adults and just gave them lactobacillus and their visceral fat went down. So probiotics is a fat loss. I was gonna say, is that a common probiotic? I know seed carries that in there, right? Yes, there's different types of bifido and lactobacteria. Those are the ones that you'll find in probiotics. So yes, if you take a probiotic,

probably it should have those in there. But as a fat loss supplement, how cool is that? I mean, that's super rad. And then another connected study, you might like this one, Adam. This is a 2020 study, a meta-analysis, so this is really good, that found that lactobacillus and bifidobacterium

in early childhood reduced the incidence of allergic, of allergies essentially in asthma. Prenatal probiotic use by mothers also lowered allergy risk in infants. So giving it to kids, so if it's like a genetic thing like, you know, I had asthma as a kid. So we give Max seed and I obviously have allergies and he seems to like he is sensitive to it So hopefully it'll it'll help him out in that direction. Mm-hmm. No, that's that's really good. Okay. I've been meaning to hit this topic It's been up on the notes and I'm like what is going on? Why did you have no, I was still thinking about bacteria, but

He's like that's not the transition I've been trying to hammer this one in for the last three episodes. No, just because it was fascinating. I don't know why I stumbled across this particular animal, but it's in its own class. Somebody had mentioned in the title or something like the platypus, it's literally a science experiment. It doesn't make any sense I mean, it looks like almost like a beaver and a duck like is it because it lays eggs plus it's a mammal plus it Does so is the case? Yeah, it lays eggs, which obviously puts its own category

There's only one other animal does that's a mammal and then so it had it doesn't have nipples and It it lactates still so Leaks like it sweats. It's sweats milk. Yeah, and that's how its babies get fed Apparently and then look this up dog and then when you're when it's feet to have like this weird venom it produces Which was so where do we categorize it? Where does it fall at? Well, I think it's its own, right? Yeah, it's so I actually had to write it down because I never remember the name of it I love the stuff Justin gets into I

Know you or your kid this league cuz I like I don't know a lot of my stuff ends up because my son is Talk about it with my kids Trying to make sense of it and I'm like, did you guys know this? Maybe you learned it in school. No nipples, milk is secreted from mammary glands and it pools in grooves on their abdomen. The young platypuses. So they lap it up off their bellies?

Oh, I don't know this. You know what a young platypus is called? A puggle. How cute. They lap a puggle from the groves. So what's a group of platypuses? Platypi? Yeah.

Is that right? Don't say what you want to say, Jesse. I know, I won't. I know, sure. This is a family show, you guys. Wow. The mother's got- Isn't that weird though? I mean, like, what? I don't- there's no other animal that's like that.

I've never seen one in real life. Of your two sons, who's more likely to be into this stuff? Everett. Oh, Everett is? Yeah. Oh, I see. I would have thought Ethan, because if Ethan's more the reader be into this stuff? Uh, Everett. Oh, Everett is. Yeah. Oh, I see. I would have thought Ethan, because Ethan's more the reader. I would have thought he's. Yeah, he's the reader. Well, he's more into like geopolitical stuff.

And oh my God, that's deep for a kid his age. He's so into that. And he's so into like, governments and he could, he could draw, I don't know how many countries flags, but he knows them all, he's memorized them all. Really? Yeah. And I told you on his own, it's not like he had to do it for his interest.

That's cool. Yeah. That's cool that he's into that, like that. Yeah, no, Everett's very, he's like me. He's into the random and he's into a lot of deep, philosophical things and trying to make sense of things like big problems and we have like really long discussions Sometimes dad I have to go to bed, you know Because we get into this like

Philosophical topic and oh wow. Yeah that all the time and me and Ethan's pretty much like regular You know my favorite right now is watching Max try and articulate something with a word that he hasn't used yet. So like we were walking and he was and I'm challenging his thinking all time and he said something and the way he was responding wasn't aligned with like what he was talking about for him. Like wait a second that was you said it this way or that way, and you could tell, like he doesn't know the word confused, like that he was confused and he didn't know what to say.

So he's like, yeah, that's because my brain is broken. So my brain's broken. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, oh, you mean you're confused. You're confused on what, okay, and then we would explain it. But he's at that age now, it's so fun to watch him search for the appropriate word to describe what he's thinking or feeling.

And so he uses his best example of like, to do it, and I love trying to piece it together. I see how you put that together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's so great that you, like, this is your- Have I told you guys that my four-year-old, he'll come up to us in front of his two-year-old sister, and he thinks he's being like, he's trying to be slick,

because he wants to say, can I have a treat? But-old sister and he thinks he's being like he's trying to be slick because he Wants to say can I have a treat? Yeah, but he comes and he hears his mom and I spell Things all the time when we don't want them to know. Yeah, so he comes up to us and he goes, but can I have some? COYK So that's the word It'll be interesting, remember I told you the story about my sister when my sister- You guys would do that.

Well, when my sister was little, but it was always the same letters. Yeah, it's always C-O-Y-K. Okay, so that's what's so funny is it was PSRT, I can still remember to this day. Because if we, that was how, we were spelling cuss words, right, so when we were around each other as adults and my little sister was around, it was,

we would spell the cuss word, and so she attached it to frustration or upset or like, we're, you know, so whenever she was frustrated, upset, PSRT. And you knew she was spelling it. She thought she was spelling a cuss word. You know what I'm saying? I was joking with my wife. So I'm like, we should start like a snack food, like a healthy snack food company. That'll be the story. Like, you know, my son had digestive issues, so we decided to make Quake. For kids with digestive issues. It seems like the natural progression from that, right? You go from spelling, but then once they go to school

and they figure out how to put all of it together, now you gotta do Pig Latin. Yeah, well his mom and him, she's teaching him, because we homeschool, and one of the things that she's teaching them is sign language, but I don't know any of it. And it's already happening, where they're talking in sign language, like, oh, you guys, are you guys doing this talk about you like what's

going on he's already put it together huh he's starting to put some stuff together with you know what it activates the same brains as language right sign language oh yeah remember that show I mentioned did you guys ever check it out the one where it's like you can't say that but they ask questions of people like some people that have disabilities some people that are like priests or like, you know You need categories of people. No, it's on Netflix. I mentioned it on the show a while back, but they had one for deaf People and like they're they went through. Oh, were you asking questions that you normally wouldn't ask? Yeah Yeah, yeah, like it's taboo a little bit, but also they're very open to talk about,

and try and describe their experience and everything. I told you how, because they have new procedures that can bring hearing or sight to some people who'd never had it, and one of the biggest misunderstandings, I guess, that people who are deaf and then could suddenly hear, they all thought that the sun made noise. They all said that they were shocked

to notice that the sun was silent. That's wild. Which if you think about it, it looks like it would make a lot of noise. I've been applying that, it's only been a handful of times, so I don't have a huge example of like, oh my God, that totally works.

But the handful of times I have used that strategy of not telling my son no and say, ask me after this, pro. Yeah. It's like, it's like a, it's a pretty little cool hack. I do feel like a lot of things will work on your kid though, cause he's pretty, like he's so chill. The test will be if it works on my kid. I know, I know. And I, I, and so I, that's kind of Katrina and I were talking about it and I'm like, you know, we've, we've communicated so well with him for so long that he's pretty easy to, I mean, I could even tell him no pretty easy and like, he's not a, he also just has that demeanor. Yeah. He's not a

kid who's going to throw a tantrum and this and that and be that way. And so, okay, do I have a little bit of a bias? Cause my son is already easy. So, but it's like working even more like magic with him is just like, shit, half the time he forgets. already easy. So, but it's like working even more like magic with him is just like, shit, half the time he forgets. So it's not, it just shows you that in the moment, like he wants to get back to that. Yeah, exactly. It's impulsive. He hears his mom saying, Hey, it's time to get a shower, go to bed. No, I want to, I want to play with my Legos for 10 more minutes. Okay. Well get your bet,

get your stuff ready, do this and then ask me after that. And then it's like, he forgets. And so it's like, that's brilliant. Yeah. I's like, yeah, I'm like, okay, adults all the time. And it works. I'm like, it's kind of a cool hack. I'm like, yeah, that's messed up. I mean, it's so smart because it doesn't cause that. No. And that, that, that natural want to rebel strength is the muscle too of, of yes, of him having to think and connect the dots of like, Oh, if I do these things, just wait. Yeah. Yeah, not indulge right away.

No, no, totally. I mean, I love the delayed gratification that it teaches him. It also connects. I haven't done it yet. Yeah, I gotta remember. Try it. I mean, again, like I said, I have a small test group of how many times I've done it,

but so far I've been really impressed with it. It's more, Katrina and I are training. In fact, she like initially just said no, and then I came back and said, well, do this and do that. And then ask us. And then he actually looked at me and he goes, oh, are you the boss tonight and not mommy? And I went, oh, god.

I said, no, mommy. She stepped in and said something like that. I'm like, I don't want it to be misconstrued. So it's us needing to practice to be more consistent with it of like the initial want to say no when that's not what we wanted to do. And so far, so good. So we'll see.

So, strip off this. Did you guys know that the first AI, I'm gonna pull up this article, the first AI artist got signed? Like musician? Yes. Who, it was Timbaland. Timbaland.

Yes, Timbaland. So there's a company that, so he signed his first AI artist Tata from the AI Entertainment company he launched. Oh wait hold on so it's his company he launched it and he signed and built it. He was creating an artificial market. There's got to be some tax benefits. Well yeah that sounds like a that sounds like a really creative I made money off the money I printed right now. Well, so I mean, essentially what's going to probably happen is that you're going to see, and they're calling it APOP, by the way,

you're going to see our companies who are going to create characters, AI characters, probably try to get a following on social media, which has already happened. It's already happening. There are, listen, there's companies already that have fake AI girls that have got a quarter million, a million followers,

and they're selling $40,000 with a product a month. I know, I know. And you know they're not required to say it. You know how embarrassing that is when you're trying to build a business like this? That's the AI artist right there. The girl with the pink hair right there. You see the video of the guy that's getting ready

in the morning, he's normal's like looks like a dude, he's putting his stuff together, all that. And then it literally, he's a hot chick on, like an AI hot chick and then, you know, he just manages it, but he does everything like he normally does, but just as a hot chick on the internet. Oh, I see.

It's like a filter, right? Yeah, and it's like, and he's making all this money because people are like, ooh. You know what, this is like, this is a short period of time before that should be played out. Totally, but then you're gonna trust nothing. Yeah, well not just that, everyone's gonna do it, and it's not gonna be very valuable.

Well that's what I mean. Right now it works because it still tricks a lot of people. People are unaware. Once everybody becomes aware, now you're gonna be skeptical of everything. You'll be like, even if it's real, I don't know if I trust that person anymore. Is it gonna be a market that's just competitive though?

Like which company can create the AI person? Who's got the best artificial nonsense? Who creates, who gets the, you know what's gonna be crazy about this you guys, is that, okay since algorithms on social media are super advanced and they adjust themselves on the fly. They're super individualized to you. And it's based off things that we don't even know but the stuff we do know is like what you click on, what you hover over, what you comment on and what you

like but there's other stuff too that they're not telling us and so your algorithm is super super individualized and the social media you know platforms with the best algorithm that can individualize itself. That's what's creepy is like they measure like the amount of hesitation you have. All of it. Like eye blinks, like all that stuff. So I consciously change my algorithm. Yeah, you can totally do that.

I consciously click on stuff. I don't wanna see this. I wanna see this on purpose. I do the same thing already. I do the same thing already. But I have to do it consciously otherwise. Yeah, you have to be active about it. So what I'm trying to say is that these AI,

there's gonna be a point when these AI, I don't know, people or whatever, they're gonna adjust themselves to you. Yeah. So you're gonna get the AI person say, it's already figured out who Justin is gonna... I mean we were debating this on our walk. We were debating this on our walk yesterday and I definitely think there's gonna be certain things that, like that it's gonna be good for. For example, like it's going to, it's gonna make a lot of things that were out of reach or too expensive for the average person to now have access to, to consume. And

for that reason, it'll be good, right? So there'll be things that AI, robots and things can create that somebody else couldn't afford before that'll be so inexpensive because it's not humans that are having to build it. But then there'll be a percentage of people that won't want that. And they'll want the thing that has imperfections and that's human made. We already see examples of that in society today, and so I think it'll only accelerate that. But is that the same percentage of people today that are like, I want a handmade chair instead of the one that I could buy for 1 fifth the cost.

That's a small market. It's not a lot of people. Most people don't want the handmade thing because it costs too much money. They want the thing that- We want what we can't have. We've already proven that in the market. We want the things that we, like, exclusivity and rare.

And like that, I mean, Yeah, but that's still a small market. You guys know how like the Hermes pur purses work like how that works you know if you if you guys like that's how you say Hermes yeah okay those are me first ace so I think we're all saying it wrong yeah so let's say you want to go buy listen listen you don't know how this works like let you want to go buy your wife one she does let's say she's never had one you wanna go buy one you go down the store to go get it, okay?

You don't get to pick the purse. They tell you, you can have this one. No matter what, I don't care how rich you are, you got to buy this one first. And how do they just, oh wow. It's just, Ferrari does the same thing too. You can, I don't care how much money you have, you cannot like, they just dropped,

they released a new model, 90 the SF XX their version it's like a million dollar car you could be worth billions so you can't just go buy one you can't just go buy one you need to have already bought seven other of their models seven that they wanted you to buy I mean that's an arbitrary number it's like it's a you won't several like you definitely need a you can't just bought one or two you got to buy like five to seven of their other models that they wanted you to buy first. And that first company does that?

Yes. So if I walked in there, I'm like, I wanna buy one right now. I didn't know this is the one. And people do it, and people pay the money and play the game, and then it's. But it's not a lot of people is my point. Most people are can't do that.

I mean, it's enough to prop up those companies to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah. But there's not a lot of those companies. I know, but so what my point is though, it just moves down. Yep. You know, but there's not a lot of those companies. I know. But so what my point is though, it just moves down. Yeah. So there, so there'll be that example. So there'll, there'll be the levels of it, but people will want exclusivity.

People will want rarity. People want what they can't have. And so what AI will do really well is it will, you know, the, mass produce, yeah, it'll mass produce things that everybody can have. And so somebody who wasn't even at the entry level will now be in the entry level. So it'll just move everything down. But there'll still be the top tier people that will,

so like maybe like the Hermes purse goes down a level or two and then there's the next level thing, but that's all it's gonna do. I feel like we already have the example now and it's only going to just gain access for people who couldn't get things before. Well, the part that's weird, that's gonna be crazy for, that I think is crazy is, cause you guys see how fast clips go viral

Yeah, and before they're before people realize they're fake the damage has been done. That's gonna happen faster and faster and faster They're gonna put something out. Oh my god. Look what happened the president. Oh my god. Look what this person said Oh my god, look what's happening and by the time it comes out that it's not real damage done Yeah, but that What's the difference? Do you believe, so I believe that's true, but I believe that'll only last so long. Because then we're gonna be in a place where we don't believe anything.

Exactly. Well you know that's not a good place to be. Well that or you're just, I mean I already catch myself doing this now. So my buddies, we're all on a thread, we go back to since high school together and stuff like that, we always send each other shit, like oh my God, check this out, can you believe this? And I've already watched the evolution of our

conversation. If you send me something that's like kind of crazy, my first thing to say is like, do you, did you fact check? It's like when I thought Eminem released that gospel song. Yes. So I acted to you right away. I was like, right away, I didn't believe you. No, it's not true. And you're like, yes, it is. No, it's not. You need to prove to me with multiple different places to prove before now, I'll believe it. Where that before a guy like you, I'd be like, oh my God, that's crazy. Like I believe Sal. Sal's a smart guy. He's knows like, no, it's like now I don't care how smart you are. You got fooled. Yeah, I'm not going to be fooled by the first thing that someone shows me.

And that's it's still new enough now that we still get a lot of people. I feel like what it's going do is it's gonna create a market for an arbitrator of truth, which is not good either. Who's that gonna be? Some great, some fact checker, some company that's only good. Or you have an AI fact checker yourself,

but I don't know, man, that's gonna be weird. Speaking of weird, have I brought this up before, that in Russia, did you know you can pay to get on a boat to go through pirate infested waters? Oh, yeah, if you're yeah, if you're one of the Russian elite like you know I heard that they pay a lot of money to go there too and you're armed to shoot these boats are armed like machine guns And you drive through pirate infested water see like basically egging them on to try yes, dude And then you that's a real thing

That shit, I don't know Come on you know that reminds me that's like they it was never like movie the game where you like put the they took the like Dollars on their belt Oligarchs that's what I heard. He's like, come on. I want to see if that's true. I want to see if that's true. That's what I heard. Yeah.

They offer pirate hunting cruises. Wow. Like $5,800 a day. So they go into the most dangerous waters in the world, hoping to be attacked by pirates. Is that the ad? Is that the website or whatever? Wow. Yeah, dude. Actually, $5,800 is not crazy. Yeah, but we are. That's daily. Pirates is that the like is that the ad is that the website or whatever Wow Yes, actually

Yeah, but that's daily. Well, that's gotta be some evil like I'm bored like you're a billionaire I'm bored. What do you want to do? I want to shoot some pirate. Yes, shoot some pirates. Go sign up. Yeah, that's messed up, dude That's super messed up. I mean, of course, it's Russia Doug. Is there videos of this? I want to see what these look like Yeah, I'm looking for it. Yeah. I mean, it's kinda like the human version of going hunting for tigers and stuff. Like vigilante stuff.

Yeah, a deal with their people. Isn't that wild? That's wild. It's wild that you can do it. That you can pay to do it. Yeah. And I wonder who pays to do this. Yeah, it's like next level from those helicopter tours

where they mow down a bunch of pigs that are running around the properties. Well, yeah, yeah, these people. These people. Well, yeah, and the pigs can fire back. You know what I'm saying? like mow down a bunch of pigs that are like running around properties. These people. Well yeah, and the pigs can fire back. You know what I'm saying? So it's a little more dangerous. Oh, Doug's got a video for us.

I don't know if I have a good one here or not. Yeah, I wanna see what this looks like. You should go do it, Doug. Yeah. Good job, Doug. Do it for my birthday. Who's most likely to do something like that? To go, Justin.

Yeah, Justin. Go Justin. Yeah. This evil bastard. That's why he knew right away. He's like, I already looked into it. Yeah. Yeah. Why stays in here? It's not real.

He's like, I can't take much time off work. Can you get a video Doug? I'm not seeing anything. I don't think they're going to share videos. I'm sure the pull it off. That's wild. I didn't even know that was a thing. Yeah it is. God, it's crazy. I gotta bring up another one of those studies that annoys me and so this study, I'll read you the title, what this guy wrote. Actually, I'll read the title of the study.

Internal focus of attention did not change muscle activation and the rate of perceived exertion in bench press exercises in successive training sessions." Okay. I'll paraphrase. Essentially concentrating on your pecs while benching doesn't activate them more. Based on an EMT thing, right? EMG. I know, I know. It doesn't, this annoys me because it counters decades and decades and decades of training knowledge and understanding. It just confuses the average person. It does because what I'd like to see is, and this is why it's hard to study, all you can do is EMG because what you can't do is study to see if they're getting better results because you don't know

if those are the results that we got in the first place. You have to have a twin study for this. You to study. All you can do is EMG because what you can't do is study to see if they're getting better results because you don't know if those are the results that we got in the first place. You have to have a twin study for this. You'd have to have a twin study where one person does it this way and the other person does it this way and then let's notice the you know the muscle development, you know. You want to know something that irritates me since you're bringing up stuff like that. That irritates you. Yeah, that irritates and that you are... Pirates. And it pairs well. This is a good transition because it talks about... so my brother-in-law was like, he was like, he thought it was so cool. He sent me. He's like hardcore into using chat GBT right now. He's like, I told you he fixed his car and he's like fascinated like how accurate it is. So he decides for shits and giggles. He'd ask it

what the number one fitness podcast in the world is or what that and we pop up, which is cool. But then it also tells you like, if you're like what you're looking for and like you know what yeah and then because so we were number one number two was model was Shawn Stevenson number three was actually Vinnie Torch which I thought that was interesting and then some of our other friends and people that we know in the space and then it's like you know if you're if you're a beginner looking for this if like you'd like mind pumps great for this and what we weren't listening, I was offended that we weren't the top three for this, was science based.

That just annoys the fuck out of me. I mean, there's not an episode that goes by that you don't talk about at least one to three studies and we break them down. We're not scientists. Yeah, but that pisses me off. I'm annoyed by that. Whatever.

It was Huberman, Peter Atiyah. Rhonda Patrick and all them. The shit that they've been saying, we've been saying that shit for 10 years. But the difference is, is we take a study by that. Whatever. It was Huberman, Peter Atia. Rhonda Patrick and all that. The shit that they've been saying, we've been saying that shit for 10 years. Yeah. Sure. But the difference is, is we take a study like that. They got the accolades. And then we break it apart for the average person.

I don't care about a study unless I can communicate it in a way that will help someone and unless it applies to somebody. If it doesn't apply to anybody, why am I gonna talk about a dumb study that's gonna confuse everybody? Like they have all these, they'll talk about like fat oxidation. You know, this study showed that this compound increased fat oxidation by 17%.

So then they'll do a whole episode or you know, whoever will do a whole episode on this fat burning compound. Meanwhile, zero studies show that it actually causes more fat loss. In fact, studies will show that it causes no additional fat loss. This is why people were all, got all confused about ketogenic diets. Ketogenic diets increase fat oxidation. Well, yeah, you're running off ketones. But a ketogenic diet with the same calories as a balanced diet with the same calories does not result in more fat loss.

We just needed studies later to show that. But they would point out that kind of data. The same is true for studies on markers of muscle growth and stuff like that. It's like, I'm not gonna communicate it unless it makes a difference, has to make a big enough difference, and unless it's something that people are gonna do. It's repeatable, it's relatable,

and it's something that you can implement as a daily practice. Yeah, but then it assumes, or you assume, that we're not science-based if we're the number one, and then we're not even in the top three for that category of what you're looking for. That bothers me. That doesn't bother you?

It bothers me. No, it doesn't bother me. That bothers the shit out of me. We get more downloads of the video. What? Yeah. We win. So there you go, dude. Let them have that little. Yeah, but I mean, I think it's even better

than just being science-based. I think we take the science and we unpack it for the average person. That's why my favorite guests to have in regards to health and fitness are the scientists who also have a lot of experience working with patients, clients, or people who've worked with them. Because they always communicate. They understand human behavior, who also have a lot of experience working with patients, clients, or you know, with people who've worked with them.

Because they always communicate. They understand, yeah, human behavior, and that is such a big factor to what they're talking about. Yes, because you gotta do both. You have to do both in order, because humans are complex. Like, if it was just about science, fitness would be easy, you guys.

It'd be like, do this, that, and the other, and everybody would do it, and we'd be a problem. Yeah, yeah. It's about human behavior. Controlled environment is ideal. Yeah, Humans are complex, we're weird, we don't, we almost never do the right thing for most reasons as to why. Not to mention that the behavioral psychology part makes up more of it. That's everything. Yeah, it's not even like a, it's not like part of it or a small piece of it,

it's like most of it. You take a therapist with a lot, with you know 30 years of experience and you take a therapist with a lot, with 30 years of experience, and you take a scientist in health and fitness who's never worked with anybody, and you have them both work with people for weight loss. Therapists will kick the crap. Therapists will do better. They could know nothing about nutrition.

They'd be given terrible nutrition and then. They will rock, they will crush. There are studies on that. Pitting them against each other? No, not pitting them, but there are studies. I mean, I would love to see that. On therapy for weight loss, and it produces significant results because that's where the root. Well, the thing about it, and we talk about it, we communicate this all the time, that

most people think when they're really, really overweight, unhappy with the way they look, they think getting in shape solves the unhappiness. And it doesn't. The way they look, but they believe that. They believe that the way they look in the mirror is the reason why they're unhappy. And then the truth is, they're unhappy, therefore they look that way. And they have to first get happy, and then that stuff happens.

Which is why the psychologist does things better. And it's the proper pursuit of health that results in the improvements in happiness. It's not the, you snap your fingers, make someone look different. There's a very short period of time. It's not just getting to the end result. Yeah, there's a very short period of time

they feel happier and then it goes away. And it's like, well what happened? How come not that much happened? Well I'm offended that we're not science-based. I am offended by that. Aren't you the guy that says that dinosaurs weren't real? Yeah, offended. I gotta tell you, that's why we got fucking 100%.

That's why we're flagged. It's your fault. It, they did. And that's why we got fucking... 100%, dude. It's your fault. It's my fault. Carbon dating. You took us down like five spots. Because I shit on carbon dating dinosaurs. That's what it is. We were legit.

It is my fault. It was my fault. It didn't make sense to me. I'm like, Sal talks about like three studies a day. How are we not science-based? Well, I have a degree. They don't care. You're the only one with a degree.

You said they don't believe in dinosaurs. Who were we just talking to? They had no idea you and I didn't have a degree. They don't care. They said they don't believe in dinosaurs. Who were we just talking to? They had no idea you and I didn't have our degrees. I was just talking to somebody. Who was that? I wish I knew who it was. And they were just like, what? I had no idea.

I thought you guys did. No, I used to be insecure about it, early days as a trainer. And then later it became like it was not a big deal. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I got to talk about what's our sight, Doug, to apply to as a trainer. And then later it became like it was not a big deal. Who cares? Yeah, no. Anyway, I gotta talk about what's our site, Doug, to apply to be a trainer here? We gotta put this out.

Oh yeah. Because we're hiring trainers, okay? So if you wanna be a trainer for Mindpump, you wanna work here, you gotta be here, by the way, and train clients both in person and virtually, we are now looking for trainers. However, I'm gonna say this very clear. Have to be able to bench press more than Doug.

Good luck with that. That's not the qualifier. No it's not. It is not easy to be a trainer here. We will put you through the ringer. There is an internship process and we don't hire just anybody. This is like, if you think you can handle it

and you feel like you do a good job, and by the way, when you get hired here, this is a great play. I mean, our trainers are producing tremendous amounts of revenue, having incredible success, but our vetting process is no joke. But if you think you're up for it,

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How do I know when to push strength or focus on controlling the weight? I want to build muscle, stay strong, and get stronger, but I do not want to injure myself either, so I cannot lift. Bit of a flaw in that question. What I'm gonna give general advice, I think it's true for most people,

is most of the time your training looks like cruising and it's interrupted by short periods of sprinting. Okay, so like chasing strength, pushing performance, pushing muscle gain shouldn't be the majority of your year of training, because that is, well it doesn't result in good results, typically ends up in injury. Now especially someone like this,

how do you know when to do this? When you've got good sleep, diet's great, and you feel great, push it. Otherwise don't. Well the problem I have with the question is it's not true. You actually can get really strong focusing and controlling the weight.

Oh I see what you're saying, yeah. I think you might be talking about- It's not like either or, it's not like, hey there's times, because this is what it sounds like to me if someone's asking. There's times where I'm like, really concentrating on form and I'm going slow. And there's other times I'm just trying to get that weight up. It's like, no, like you can get really strong by controlling the weight

and going really slow. Yeah. Slowly, slowly add weight to that bar. Now, could you do that? Could you put more weight on the bar and do it explosively, like really fast, just so you could say, hey, I did 50 more pounds than what I did really slow and controlled. But that's not how we measure strength. Like you, that the person who let, and again, these aren't like even numbers, but let's say consistency still wins over those influxes of high intensity and lower intensity. So like, okay, who's stronger? The guy who can control four reps

really slow in control for 225, or the guy who can bench press one time 275? Yeah, yeah. Who's stronger? Yeah, the four reps. Right, so it's, we get caught up in like, saying that I press 275, and that I'm stronger because I can say that number to my buddies in a circle, but it's like

the guy who's controlling 225 for for four reps slow and controlled is stronger than the guy who just pushed out one for 275 the way I interpret this is I think what Justin is how he interpret it Which is like when do I train hard and when do I train less hard is what I'm that's how I'm reading it That's what I think he's saying because if he's saying what you're saying, I agree with you, Adam. But if it's, and I think this applies to more people, so if I were to reword this, it would be like, how do I know when to push intensity

and when to lay back on intensity? You know, I got two kids. That's a better way to ask that. Yeah, and I'll tell you what, okay, some of the best trained athletes in the world, actually all of the best trained athletes, strength athletes in the world, actually all of the best trained athletes, strength athletes in the world, use periodization. It's scheduled periodization.

It's not, and this came out of the Soviet Union. I mean, they were crushing everybody in the 60s and 70s with Olympic lifting, and it's because they did scheduled periodization. And what they would do is, for these periods of time, we're not training at high intensity. And then for for these periods of time, we're not training at high intensity. And then for this short period of time, we're training at high intensity versus,

just always see how hard you can go, because that's what's gonna get you the best results. It doesn't. For anybody, anybody, regardless if you're a dad with two kids or you're a 20-something year old at home and no responsibilities, most of your training, like 70%, 80% of your training is kind of cruising.

It's those short periods that you push. If you flip that, if you flip that, this is what most people do, 80% of the time they work out, they're pushing it, and then the 20% they cruise because they're forced to, because they're overtrained or injured or what's going on, and then they go back to the super high intensity. Literally, if you want the best results over time it's a majority time you're kind of cruising. I'm not saying you don't do anything. There's some intensity there but you're not chasing it and going after it 20% of times. But it'll reveal it mid-set right?

Like if it's if you feel like if we're using like the last two reps as the measure and it was just like so I could do ten more reps all of Sudden sure and it just kind of you you get a feeling you could actually add weight to so now we just increase the weight Subtly and we just keep it that trajectory Well, we're all saying kind of the same thing just in a different way, too Even though what I'm communicating my my point is like 80 90 percent of time I'm going real slow, controlling the weight, and just kind of slowly getting stronger.

Every once in a while, I wanna test what my one rep, what my jumps. Yeah, just to see like, oh, man, I'm controlling 225 so good, I wonder, can I press 275? You don't know where your limits are. Just once in a while, like very rarely, I'm doing that, but most of the time, I'm training very slow, controlled, and progressively overloading the bar.

And the best progress I ever made was when I felt like I could add, you know, 50 pounds to the bar, but all I did was go up 10 or 15 pounds over what I was doing previously. I was very controlled. That led to the best long-term progress than just going like, oh, I'm gonna go for my max. Yep. Next question is from Kathy Steinhilb. My max. Yep. Next question is from Kathy Steinhill. When doing sumo deadlifts, deadlifts, RDLs, am I progressing too quickly with the weight because my legs can take it, but my SI joint gets achy or is there something else at play? Okay. When people say, when she says my legs can take it, but my SI joint hurts, It's because, yeah, you are going too high

with the weight too fast. Your SI joint is the limiting factor here. Now there's more of the story here. So the SI joint, sacroiliac joint, it's right at the pelvis in the back where the hip joint is in the low back. So you'll feel kind of the soreness in one side of your low back.

This can often get remedied by doing correctional exercise, single leg exercises, lateral strengthening. This is a common issue with people who start to get strong with deadlifts. This is what happened to me. Like if I got strong with deadlifts and I started feeling my SI joint, I know I needed to work on my QL,

so like lateral strengthening, lateral stability. I knew that you know Okay, I'm gonna go through a period of going lighter Maybe doing single leg exercises and that usually would solve the issue, but I'd have to stay there for a little while Yeah, I would this person there's a client. I would put them over to old-timey or symmetry Yeah, so and it should it would solve that would fix it Yeah if you literally go run a program like old-timey or symmetry and just focus on that and then come back

to your bilateral RDLs and stuff and see, I bet you that solves this. Yeah, and one of my favorite stories around this is like Justin talks about in his youth when he was trying to bench press, I think it was four plates, and you said your shoulder kept hurting. It was always your shoulder that would limit you.

And you did what? You did like a whole season of strengthening your, you're just, yeah, with rotation. Yeah, just rotation and, and, uh, getting and expressing all the different movement patterns. Um, you know, so that way too, it just, it highlighted the instability where, where I didn't have that control and strength.

And so once you kind of reinforce that, it, it, it allows you to now generate more force, which gets you through that plateau. And that's how you were able to hit that. Yeah. Next question is from Connor Howe Real Estate. Is there such a thing as squatting too deep? I've heard of butt wink, but I'm not sure

if that is actually something to worry about. So any range of motion is too far if you don't have control and stability in that range of motion. So can someone squat too deep? Yeah. If they go beyond what they have control of and if their stability isn't ideal then they're squatting too low. Now the answer is to figure out why they become, they get that instability, why they get that muscle recruitment pattern that isn't ideal. Identify, fix that, work on that and then

you're able to squat deeper. But for sure, one of the biggest, I've seen so many people hurt themselves because they hear the message of squatting, you know, butt to the ground, but they don't have the strength or stability to do so, but they hear that, so they go to the gym and they really get all the way down. They go zero to super low.

Yeah, and their feet are caving in, and they have all these other issues, and they're like, I hurt my back at squats. Squats are bad for your back. No, no, no. You just, you weren't able to perform those squats in a way that didn't hurt your back, so we gotta back off a little bit on your technique and form.

Maybe have you do a less deep squat, and then figure out why. I think it's because there's so much controversial information around butt wink is what causes questions like this. In my experience, I've never had a client because there's a bit of a, it's natural when you get really, really deep, ass to grass, where you'll have a little bit natural. Yeah, watch Olympic lifters. There's a little bit of a tuck that's natural and it can look like a butt wink.

Just has to be supported. I've never had a client that the butt wink was a problem that also didn't feel it. So typically when you have a butt wink and it's a problem, you feel your low back, your low back feels on fire because it's the excessive flexing and extending of the spine. It looks like posterior anterior. And then I used to have this and like I would do a set of especially high rep squats and I'd be like, oh my God, my low back is on fire. And it's because those erector spinae muscles are on fire

from the flexing and extending of the spine. And so there's an issue there. There's an issue I need to address in order to gain the access to squat that deep. But if you squat that deep and you don't feel low back on fire, you don't feel any problems, you're probably fine. And in my experience, that's how it's been.

When it's not supported, that force doesn't get distributed down through the rest of your muscles and major muscle groups in your legs. It stops at the weakest point. And so if you're unsupported in that position where then you do tuck, like all that load, the force from the load is going to direct right in that spot. Yeah, so it'll let you know. Yeah. Yeah, if it's not, if it's excessive and unhealthy, you probably know, at least in my experience. But what's funny is that some of the greatest squatters in the world, Olympic lifters, they may hit the bottom when they do like a snatch

or whatever. There's butt wink there. They're lifting weights that are unheard of. Yeah. or whatever, there's butt wink there. They're lifting weights that you just are unheard of. Next question is from GoodJujuGains. What's the number one piece of advice you would give to a personal training studio wanting to grow and look for good trainers? All right, I'm gonna start with the looking to grow part or wanting to grow part.

Like, this has got to be the number one, and it was back then when I had a studio and it's even worse now, the number one, and it was back then when I had a studio, and it's even worse now, the number one missed way that you can grow your studio is go outside and talk to local businesses. People don't do this. They're afraid to, they're afraid to introduce themselves. They don't understand that they need to become

the fitness mayor of their community. It's especially worse now because there's been so much value placed on social media that personal training studios think it's all about social media. This is how we're gonna build our business. No, if I went into a studio right now and I was hired by the owner and they told me, can you double my revenue in 30 days?

I would do zero on social media, zero. That's not where I would spend my time. I would go outside their studio, I would introduce myself to all the local businesses, I'd get all the managers and owners in the studio for free workouts, and I would start right there. And before you know it, that would turn into a referral factory.

That was the number one and almost only thing I did with my studio when I first opened it. And it was so successful and it's basic. It just requires a little discomfort. Again, I think people are afraid to go talk to people, but that's the number one thing. That's the number one thing. It's always been the number one thing.

It's always been the number one thing. Yeah, I don't think it's far off from my advice. One, it's hard for me to just give one piece, so I apologize because I can ramble with stuff like this because I think there's so many things that you can and should be doing. But the easiest is, because what you want is you want to get in front of as many people as you possibly can and you want to make that very easy for them. So doing something that is for free where you can help somebody and you can scale.

So something like a class where, and I love the, and I've told all trainers that have followed us, like, if you haven't taken my Prime Pro webinar and used that to teach a free class, you're an idiot, just are. It's like so low hanging fruit. So many people that will buy personal training are the same people that suffer from chronic pain

and have mobility issues. And if you take them through that full mobility webinar, I guarantee in that full mobility webinar, I guarantee in that one first hour, they will feel a difference. And it's one hour of your time. And so then I'm gonna use Sal's advice. I'm going to all the local businesses

and people outside of my gym that are around me, and I'm gonna offer this free class. And it might look like every Saturday at 8 a.m. I host a free mobility class to help you with chronic pain. That might be how I market it or put on my flyers. And I'm going around and I'm offering that to as many people as I can. And my goal is, can I get 30 to 50 people inside my studio that are taking this mobility class from me that gives me the opportunity to impact them in a way where they go, wow, that was really

helpful or why does that feel so much better at them or what did you just do? So then I can go, I tell you what, I know I have a full class of 50 people right now. Let's book an appointment, you and I, one-on-one, totally free again, where I'm going to sit down and we'll do a deep dive on just you and I'll do a full assessment and then we'll go from there. And I would just use that as a lead generating machine. And I would just go out and get, and then even when I finally moved into social media, that would be the place I funnel people to on social media.

That's right, that's what we use it for is to support your business, not build it. Yes. Yeah, it's, look, every trainer knows this. The best referrals you'll ever get are from a client that really likes working with you and sees your value. Like that is, there's nothing like that. You can't pay for that kind of referral.

So what if you got, this is what I did when I first opened my studio. I had like 10 clients, all of them were either managers or owners of local businesses, and they all trained with me for free. And I knew I would do a good job. And before I knew it, it was literally weeks before they were sending me customers and referrals,

and those people knew them, would come in, and it was like, I'll hire you. Well, over-service the current clientele you have. Well, so to piggyback off of both of what you're saying right now with the tip that I'm giving right now, so let's say you hear this right now, you're like, oh shit, that's a good idea. This Saturday I could do that, but oh man,

I only have four days to go book that, or whatever day this is going live, and you can't get a bunch of people, offer it to your current clients already as a free service. So now, so a couple things happen here. So I've got, let's say I've got 10 or 15 clients that I train already. It's like, it now becomes a way for me to add value

to my current clientele base, which is like, when? They're all like, what? Now you're gonna do this for free? You're walking billboard anyway. Now I automatically have 10 or 15 people in this class so it doesn't look like I'm talking to myself, right? And then I encourage them, hey, bring your husband. Hey, bring your sister-in-law that you were talking about.

Cool worker. Bring a friend. And it's a little barrier. They'll bring them because it's free. That's right. And so now I get them. So they're loving me because I'm over-delivering on my service that they're already currently paying for with me.

They already have a relationship with me, so no one's going to sell me better than the clients that I'm already servicing well. So they're going to bring some of the best leads. And then in addition to that, I'm going to go out like Sal is saying. And my first goal before it is to make money is can I load that sucker with 30 to 50 people every Saturday? And also just the second part of the question is finding good trainers.

And this also complements just kind of going into the quality of what you currently have situated right there. You bring in certifications. This also compliments just going into the quality of what you currently have situated right there. You bring in certifications, you bring in educators, you bring people in to service your current training staff that you have, but also what that does brings outside trainers in, it brings other people's attention into your spot. So they know that this is the type of quality that we're looking for. Yeah, but here's the real problem.

I tell you guys right, 100%, because this was a space I worked in for 15 years, and the issue, here's what the personal training studio owner wants, and here's what they think they're gonna get. They're gonna get that established trainer with a client base who's training somewhere else to come bring other clients to them, and boom, I got this trainer paying rent or whatever.

No, no, that's not how it works. Here's the problem, the problem isn't finding good trainers. The problem is that personal training studio owners don't mentor trainers. So when a trainer would come to me, I would interview them and if I said, okay, I like their character, I would charge rent, you pay rent to train your clients, but here's what we're gonna do.

For the first three months, it's half rent and I'm gonna take you under my wing and I'm gonna help you build your business and I would mentor them For 90 days and they almost all succeeded almost all of them built a client base and it wasn't a problem But you have to mentor the trainers need Mentorship finding that one trainer who's already successful who already has a client load like and is willing to come over and just move Their clients to you, that's like a diamond, that almost never happens. Doug, can you look this person up

and tell me if they're in our course too? Because if you're asking questions like this and you're not, and this is where our entire focus is right now with this business, is servicing personal trainers and people trying to scale and build their business. And so you're asked better be in the course. Because that's like, that's obvious.

Like you ask a question like that and you need help. Like that's all of our energy is focused right now on helping people just like you do exactly what you're trying to do. And so the first step would be get in there and get into community. Because you could also pluck our trainers. Our support system.

I mean, we've got over 1,000 trainers in there that we're training, we're developing, we're teaching. And if you are listening to this podcast, I imagine that you align with a lot of things that we communicate. So if you got one of these people that we're training and developing and they're in your area,

then take them, then get them working for you. And again, I think the issue, because they're saying good trainers, what they've probably experienced is people, trainers trying to work there and build a business who then fall over. And then they'll take off. It's a high turnover.

It is. Trainers have a high turnover rate because they don't have good mentorship. And so if you wanna fix that, when they come in your studio, it's your job as a studio owner, I'm gonna mentor this person. I would literally go out and help them get leads.

I would help them set up body fat test booths. I would do TOs for them to help sell training. I was like, I'm gonna build this person's business and mentor them so they can be a good trainer in my facility. Get in the course. That's it. Look, if you like our podcast, you gotta come find us on Instagram.

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