Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2659: Eight Ways to Build a Crushing Grip & Strong Forearms & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: August 9, 2025

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: 8 Ways to Build a Crushing Grip & Strong Forearms. (2:15) An interview with Mind Pump’s Head Trainer and host of The Elite Trainer Academy, Kyle Pullin. (15:07) Buyer Beware: Food labels. (28:16) Shilajit for men’s health. (32:01) The CRAZIEST supplements Sal has taken. (34:41) The deterioration of the US dollar. (36:53) Raising your kids to want less. (43:13) Space race. (47:58) Vuori is decking out the Mind Pump trainers. (51:40) Taking Omega 3s vs eating fish. (53:27) Living off the land. (55:36) Young kids just looking to make money. (1:00:22) #ListenerLive question #1 – Lately, I’ve been feeling stuck. I’m no longer seeing significant progress in muscle growth or strength gains. I’ve never followed a structured program. Any advice on where to go from here? (1:05:19) #ListenerLive question #2 – What would be the best eating window for a busy mom of 4, who is up early with a young baby, trying to get her body back? (1:11:49) #ListenerLive question #3 – How do you structure nutrition for children? Being parents yourselves, any advice to make sure my child is eating well? (1:28:06) #ListenerLive question #4 – I did my first DEXA scan, and I’m not sure whether to be disappointed with the results. I want to cut fat and continue to build muscle. I don’t want to obsess over the results, but I also want to continue to lean out.  I am not sure where to go from here. Any advice on whether I should cut again or do another reverse diet? (1:39:12) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off** Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** No code to receive 20% off your first order. ** August Special: MAPS 15 50% off! ** Code MUSCLE50 at checkout ** Mind Pump #1895: Eight Hacks for an Insanely Strong Grip IronMind Captains of Crush (COC) Hand Gripper - The Gold Standard of Grippers | The World's Leading Hand Strengthener Elite Trainer Academy – Podcast Protein-packed foods may not be as healthy as you think, study finds Clinical evaluation of spermatogenic activity of processed Shilajit in oligospermia The effects of Shilajit supplementation on fatigue-induced decreases in muscular strength and serum hydroxyproline levels Shilajit attenuates behavioral symptoms of chronic fatigue syndrome by modulating the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis and mitochondrial bioenergetics in rats Clinical evaluation of purified Shilajit on testosterone levels in healthy volunteers Fact Check: Alyssa Carson, 20, has not been selected for a Mars mission ‎Watch For All Mankind - Show - Apple TV+ Dr. Rhonda Patrick Instagram Post on Omega 3 Supplements vs. Eating Fish Get your free Sample Pack with any “drink mix” purchase! Find your favorite LMNT flavor or share it with a friend. Try LMNT risk-free. If you don’t like it, give it away to a salty friend and we’ll give you your money back, no questions asked! Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump Mind Pump #2585: How to Become the Ultimate Hybrid Athlete Gym in Park Ridge, IL | Personal Trainer in Park Ridge | Adaptable Mind Pump #1375: How to Train Before, During & After Pregnancy Mind Pump #2547: Stop Trying to Get Your Kids in Shape! Do This Instead! Building Muscle with Adam Schafer – Mind Pump TV Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Kyle P (@mindpumpkyle) Instagram Cole Steininger (@mindpumpcole) Instagram Arthur Brooks (@arthurcbrooks) Instagram Dr. Rhonda Patrick (@foundmyfitness) Instagram  

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Head over to mindpumpmedia.com forward slash maps dash 15 dash minutes and use the code muscle 50 at checkout for the 50% off. Back to the show. One of the most important body parts on your body, one of the most important functions is probably the one you're neglecting and it's taking away. from your gains. It's true. If you're not training and strengthening your grip and your forearms, you're affecting your aesthetics, but you're also affecting the development of the rest of your body. We're going to talk about how to develop a crushing grip and muscular forearms.

Is this how we're going to get down today? Let's do it. Just a shot across the bow at the gate sitting here. You know I talked about this on the walk right now. You did. You took a walk earlier today, and I was just telling the guys how, you know, first time of my life, I actually don't feel like I have really good grip strength. I mean, for the longest time, I felt that was like a strength of mine, and I've watched that atrophy. And so we're just going to dig. This is all about you, Adam. No, this is an area that, it's funny, too, because you look at muscle activation studies, and a weak grip actually affects activation up the kinetic chain, the shoulders, the back. And the funny thing is that your hands are actually, I mean, they're designed to be incredibly strong.

They should be able to follow and match the rest of your body. But because I guess it's not a glorious body part or whatever, we tend to neglect it. And there's a lot of tools even that encourage neglecting. And it's funny when you look at, like for aesthetics, everybody's interested in aesthetics, right, how good I look. When you look at, especially for men, when you, when women talk about like body parts on a man that stands out, they will almost always mention hands and forums. They'll almost always mention those things. And yet you rarely ever see anybody training these, which is sad because when your hands get stronger, everything gets strong. You feel this across the board in all of your lifts.

And it's not a hard area to train, but I don't think a lot of people know what to do for them. Do you think that you need a lot of specific training or do you think just training without a lot of these aids and tools that we have out there is enough? Well, that'll get, that's a good start. But, you know, just like the rest of your body, like it would be like saying, I'm not going to train my calves because I walk a lot. You know, it would be like saying that. Training your grip and your foot makes a huge, huge difference.

I don't know if I would, I think I would challenge that. You, when you deadlift and lap pull down and row and you are gripping, grabbing, there's a major isometric contraction happening that with that, which walking is nowhere near like that. Yeah, I think that's a little bit. That's a good point, but my point is that... That would be like, that would be more closely saying just because I use my arms at work in the computer, I expect my forearms. Or I don't train my biceps, even though I do a lot of back.

How about that, right? Or I do a lot of pressing movement so I don't train my triceps. The truth is, if you train your forearms and your grip, they'll get a lot stronger, even if you don't use AIDS like that. Because, I mean, the reason why I bring that up is I went through phases as a kid of like forearms being like, a focus where I trained them really hard. The best results I ever seen my performance was actually when I when I got into really heavy lifting deadlifted.

I never really lifted heavy, heavy deadlifting. Well, that for sure, we'll do it. And that gave me as much, if not more gains than even all these like isolation exercises that I was doing for my forums as a 20-something year old. Now I'm granted,

I'm sure there's some carryover that I'm older and I've been training for a long time and so I've got more benefits. But It would be interesting to see head-to-head, you know, 20-year-old kid wants to develop forearms. You send one kid on the path of, you know, doing some of these isolation forum exercises during the week. The other kid, you just encourage get heavy deadlift and don't use straps. Report back to me and tell me where you're... Oh, I mean, the compound lift, but then the third person I'd add in there is someone who does the heavy deadlift plus ads.

Okay, that's fair. That's fair. But, you know, in the real world, your hands are what connected to the world. So when your hands are not strong, then it doesn't matter how strong the rest of you is because your hands can't connect you to that. And, you know, having done, obviously, strength training is the main thing I've done most of my life in terms of activity. But I've done things like judo, jihitsu, wrestling, a little bit of boxing.

And let me tell you, you wrestle or grapple with someone that has strong hands, it's a big difference. It makes a big, big difference in their ability to manipulate you and put you where they want. But I want to talk about like the the tips to building this, and then I'm going to give an example of what a program would look like for forearms and grips. So number one, now this is something that I learned from observing blue-collar workers, but also from arm wrestlers. Arm wrestlers, I would say, are probably the strength athletes that train their hands and their grips the most. And that is to do daily practice movements. And this is very easy.

you could get yourself on Amazon a very inexpensive gripper. And now it's important you get one that's not intense because the intense workouts happen later. But you get one that's relatively easy. And then throughout the day, you squeeze it 10 or 15 times. You know, not high intensity, moderate intensity at most. And this does an exceptional job at developing strength in the hands. And then again, from observing blue-collar workers,

you know, people swinging hammers. and you know like my dad would sling mud on the wall for you know tile setting and stuff like that those guys they don't work out but their hands were insanely strong yeah i think the key to this tip though is the modifying the intensity yeah this is light it's light daily stuff yeah and if you've never it kind of reminds me when i give someone advised to about like oh the benefits of barefoot walking they go for never doing to like running on the treadmill barefoot or something it's like hurt yourself yeah so if you've never tried to do like frequent you know gripper exercises or hand exercises like that, start real moderate to low and just increase the frequency over time well before you do intensity because this could give you, I think, a reverse effect if you overtrain them. That's right. And then we get to the different types of strength that you're going to get in your hands and then how to develop your forearms. One of them is to strengthen crushing grip. So this is the strength to actually squeeze. So you're actually going through this motion and you would train this with a heavy gripper and you can buy these again they're

inexpensive but they sell some that are i think one brand is uh captains of of crush i think is one of the brands and you can buy these up to like 300 pounds of resistance to where it's like lifting heavy and that's going to strengthen your ability to crush and to squeeze 300 pounds i believe it goes up maybe Doug can look them up i own them all i've had them for they do yes you do yeah i love them absolute level uh Then you have static strength. Static strength comes from holding something. This would be the deadlifts, like you're saying, Adam,

or farmer walks or hanging from a bar. So you're not squeezing, you're not opening. You're just holding onto something. This is probably the most functional aspect of grip strength because most of the times you need grip strength. What you need is static strength, the ability to hold on to something. And I also, this also highlights one of the things that we talk a lot about the benefits of isometrics.

I just, I think this is an example of just, man, you can get tremendous benefits just from that. I remember how much it blew me away because there's been lots of, you know, pivotal moments in our lifting careers

where like I thought one way and then I was, my paradigm was shattered. And I just, the intent was not to get great forearm strength when I was deadlifting. It was purely around the deadlift. And so I wasn't even thinking

about my form strength, but it was wild how much that had come. come up from just, you know, that slow, that slow increase of weight over time of getting stronger in the deadlifts. And the fact that I had to hold that bar for all those reps, that's that static strength. Man, they just... Farmer walks are good for this or you can even just hold a heavy pair of dumbbells for like 30 seconds. Doug, how heavy do those go? 365 pounds. 365. Okay, so I have all of them. Can you crush one of those? I can do a 365 for, for one. Really? Yeah. That sounds like a lot.

It is. It is. It's really, really hard. Wow. Next would be your pinch grip strength. So You can hold something with your normal grip, and then you'd want to strengthen where your hands are and your fingers are flat. And this, you would use gripping onto plates. And I learned this from an old book. I believe it was dinosaur training where the gentleman was talking about the benefits of this kind of strength. And when I started training this motion right here, where I'd hold on to plates, smooth plates, it did definitely contribute to the strength in my hands. So that's just another thing you can do. And then you have the forearms, the tops of the forearms, right?

The extenders and the brachio radialis, reverse curls. Nobody does reverse curls anymore, which is interesting because it's also a bicep exercise. It's actually a brachialis exercise. But, you know, you'll get people who are really strong with a curl. You have a reverse their grip and everything falls apart. Their wrist just flop forward. Which is interesting because I would think of all the things we've talked about so far. This is, and correct me if I'm wrong, probably the more aesthetic one to do.

Yeah. So if you're looking for the benefits of, yes, I want good hand strength and grip strength. And I also want the benefits of my forearms looking better. I would think that this would be one of the go-to moves. Yes. And it's functional. Like if you, I remember in judo, like when you grab someone and pull them close to you, you don't grab them with a supinated grip.

Like you're inviting somebody to break your arm or throw you if you do this. You're grabbing them overhand and pulling them towards you. That brachio radialis muscle here on the top of the forearm, which you would strengthen to reverse curl. This right here is a very important motion, and reverse curls strengthen this. By the way, I'm seeing viral, like, there are, like, viral pieces of equipment right now

that are being sold, like home equipment that is all around the grip. And it's all about, and you've got guys flexing their forearms and whatever. And I know it's viral because I see the comments, so this is definitely something people are interested. One of my favorites was just the old string on a pipe that you just roll up and you roll up a 25 pound.

That is old school. Oh, man, it's just... I forgot all about that. Such a great exercise, though. So good. Then you have wrist curls. This is where you can hold a barbell behind your back and curl in this direction. Very, very basic.

And then finally, I think this touches on what you said, Adam. Don't use wrist straps. I think the only people that should use wrist straps are advanced bodybuilders doing endless sets for back. Their volume is just through the roof. And or strong men who actually compete in wrist straps. In fact, who's that one strong man? What do they call?

He was in that series you guys used to love. The real tall, big, giant guy. He's married to the real small, petite. Oh, Hapthor. Hapthor. Yeah. Okay. He just broke the strong man rolled record for deadlift.

And maybe you could look it up. It was like a thousand, 50 pounds. He beat Eddie Hall's, huh? Eddie Hall had it before. Yeah, he broke the record. Now, the strong man will compete with wrist. They're allowed to use wrist straps. And if that's you, and then, yeah, you should train in them so you know how to use them.

nonetheless he also has a strong grip. I don't know if you've seen his videos where he picks up ridiculously heavy things. That's pretty awesome. I think to me this is the simplest. Like this, don't change anything in your routine. Just don't use wrist wraps. That alone will make a big difference.

And I think that'll make a, especially if you are doing like heavy deadlifting and movements like that or farmer carries exercises that are going to develop it. I think you'd be surprised how far that takes the average person just by itself. And then you add in these other additional ones, if you want even further than...

505 kilos. How much weight is that, Doug? Do the... That's 2.2. Well over 1,000. Yeah. That crazy to lift the thousand pounds. 1,111 pounds.

That is insane. In the video, he just lifts it, like, nice and smooth and just... You just expect a spine to fly. I know. It's just... It hurts just thinking about that kind of weight, dude, is crazy.

It's insane. It's insane. All right, what does a routine look like for something like this? Monday, and I'll give you a good three-day, week routine. Monday, you would do three sets with the heavy gripper at a relatively high intensity. Wednesday, you would do where you would hold heavy dumbbells for 30 seconds in both hands. For three sets, Friday, you do some wrist curls for one set, reverse curls for a set. And then in between on the days off, you mess around with your gripper at a low intensity.

In 30 to 60 days, you will dramatically increase the strength of your grip and the way your forearms look. They do respond. They are. muscles, like the muscles in the rest of your body, and they definitely will respond. So I got to get to the elephant or the horse in the room. You call me an elephant? Yeah. I know everybody's wondering, like, dude, Justin just got way more handsome. And young.

And young. We gave him too many peptides. This is a commercial. Longevity peptides? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. I got it back down. You know, so we fired Justin.

That's not what happened. Justin had to leave for emergency. Everything's okay. Yeah. But Kyle is our head trainer. Yeah, this would be a fun time to, you know, typically we would reschedule or cancel, you know, for something like this. And we could have, you know, this would be a fun time to bring Kyle in. Those of you that have seen him on the Elite Trainer Academy podcast that we recently started.

He's the host of that new podcast. He's the host. And he's also our head trainer who runs everything over here, that whole entire department. So all the trainers that we have underneath and what we're building. growing right now and so how nervous are you by the way to get on this show uh pretty nervous it's uh you know i'm telling you guys like man get in front of the cameras all the lights and everything is like pretty nerve-wracking for even just the you know the little podcast that we're starting that which is like you know it gets maybe a thousand two thousand which is a lot dude

it is it is telling me i know but this is millions of people this is very different it's way bigger deal if you fuck it up no no no no it's hey you're You have to, you know, I, you have to talk about that because I, one of the things that drives me crazy that I always have to respond to is that everybody is like, bring the wives on. And Katrina's just like, fuck, no. She's like, I, and she just knows, like, I don't want anything to do with that. And I remember how long it took me to ignore all the cameras, lights and all the stuff

while you do this and just pretend like you're not talking to a bunch of people. It's weird. And it's weird how quickly that can change from just walking in the door and then sitting here. And it's a different feeling. Let's talk about your history a little bit, Kyle. When were you born? I'm just kidding. How long have you?

You started with us, how long ago? How long has it been now? I think it's been three and a half or so. About three and a half years. And you started, now you were a fan of the show. Yep. Started here. And you did not start in fitness.

No. Yeah, he was working. Before us, though, he worked in gym. You were a trainer before. Yeah. Well, so I've worked in gym. since I was like 16. Second job I ever had.

I had one job in a restaurant, and I was like, I'm never doing that. Oh, I didn't know that? Yeah, I bused tables. Oh, bus tables. You didn't even make it to waiter? No, I did. Literally like three months. It was like three months, and I was looking for a different job.

I had a buddy that was working in a big box gym, and he's like, you know, I can talk to the manager, get you a spot, see, see if we're hiring. And I was in the middle of a workout one day. Manager comes up to me, asks if I want a job. I went and interviewed her with her in the middle of the workout and, yeah, been in gyms ever since that. That's awesome. Did you start as a trainer? You do like front desk first?

No, no. I mean, when you're 16, I don't think you can be a trainer at that age. I think 18 is a minimum. Yeah. Yeah. So I did front desk stuff for a while. I actually worked like overnight shifts for a really long time. Oh, wow.

Don't recommend that at 16 years old. And then, you know, as soon as I could, I got my certification, started training people. So you started here, but you essentially were an intern and you did, you did like editing for us and stuff. Video editing. So, you know, all the, all the edits on the YouTube, all that stuff. That was me for a little while. Not my favorite thing, not my forte. You did well.

You remember what you said in the interview, though? I remember, you know, just to get a job, you were willing to do anything. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was super random. Like, it wasn't even, I don't even think you guys were, like, officially hiring or anything. I just, I was working as a trainer. I was in a spot where I was trying to figure out what direction I wanted to go. You know, all my friends were in school.

I was trying to decide if I wanted to go to school or not. I was enrolled in some classes. and I actually shot Doug a DM one day just said like, you know, I, you know, I love the show. I've been a fan for years. It's, you know, influenced the direction that I, you know, that I've gone and I want to keep going this direction, I think. And so then I asked if you guys had any spots opening. And Doug said, well, we have, you know, we're looking for a video editing apprentice. I said, I don't know anything about video editing, but I can learn. And then literally like, you know, a week or two later, I was out here interning. Yeah, that's awesome. My favorite part of that story for the young people that are listening to this podcast

is just that at least I think good leaders, good owners will know to look for character and somebody opposed of like technically a skill set. Character is the most important. It took me a long time to figure that out. I hired incorrectly for a long time. Same. I mean, early 20s when I was thrust. Resumet.

Yeah, resume. Yeah, resume. I was like, oh, my God, he's got six national certs and this and that and hired. You know, before you didn't have to do an interview. hired and just like terrible right versus uh the the young kid who's like i'll i'll do whatever it takes you you teach me i'll learn i'll work i'll work long hours i'll take the crap like that attitude that character um i can almost do anything with and i think uh you know you exemplify that and you know came over with this attitude of and also moving over states so it's not like you're

up the road like you completely uproof your life we didn't pay you you you you You weren't making any money. You figured in the Bay Area to do that. It's expensive to do that. You didn't complain and say, I need this. I need that. It was like, I'm going to come over here, see where this opportunity takes me. And it was pretty early.

I remember the things I'll tell you what I'll tell the audience. What I noticed early on was, you know, here's this young kid. At this time, we have, I don't know how many editors and stuff we have working for us. Probably five or so, give or take. I think he was just Andrew and Gio at the time, actually. Andrew, Gio, you? Yeah. And that was it.

Why did I feel like there was another intern? I added more after that. You know, after it came shortly after. Okay. So shortly after was that. So, but at one point you had, there was like five editors or so that you're working with. And, you know, we have them all on like a, we have different threads for different departments. We have in our text message.

And, you know, I quickly saw how much respect that he got from his peers. Even though he had the least experience in the area, you could tell that the other other people that work with him gave him a lot of respect. And then I started catching. him doing things where I knew there was something that he did and then I would ask the group and he would always defer to give the credit someone he'd give the credit someone else and like right away I remember telling the guys like hey this kid's going to be he's going to be good he's going to be a leader because it just it's not natural to do that no it's natural and and not a bad thing to want the credit for something that you deserve as you should but I remember seeing that

early on and then I remember telling the guys that we need to make room for him to take a leadership role. So this is before we even started really building a training department. And I said, we have to give him this opportunity because he's the type of person that if he's going to keep growing, whether we like it or not, if we don't create an opportunity for him to grow within this company, he will seek it somewhere else. Someone like that needs that. And so we really shook up a lot of positions, let go with some people, move people around, and to said, okay, I think you could start helping us build this department. Now we got this training department. What's the goal?

Do you have like a big vision for the training department that, you know, you want? Yeah, I mean, of course, you know, it's shifted in the last, you know, 10 months or however, you know, however long we've been doing it. I remember I had a conversation with Cole at the beginning of the year. Cole's one of our other trainers here. At the time, I think it was just him. I can't remember if Marcella had been here at this point or not. But we had a conversation and it was like, hey, this year, like let's shoot for, I think it was. I think it was 200 or 250 clients like people that we're going to just change your lives like 250 people that we're just going to come in and have a positive influence on their lives and then like I mean that happened quick very fast yeah very fast I mean now we've got four full-time trainers you know three on the way you know a couple more like down the pipeline right now and you know we've got hundreds of clients right now one thing I like is that the the the

They're trying to set the standard. There really is no, like, ultimate standard of what, like, a great trainer or training department looks like. So the idea is it really set that standard. What does it look like for trainers, you know? Because I know as a trainer coming up, like, who do you look to and where do you look to build this career? And hopefully we create that, which I think. Yeah. And that's a really, you know, it's a really tough thing to take on.

Like it sounds good, you know, like we're going to set the standard. But that's, that's a daily conversation, you know, with me and the trainers. like what does it actually look like to set the standard because obviously there is no standard. So we don't have anything to look to to say like, you know, to gauge how well we're doing with that. But I think we're doing a pretty good job. Yeah, we are. We're not doing bad. You're doing pretty good. When you were listening to the show before we worked here, who was your favorite host? You'd be totally honest. Actually, I went through phases. And I think that this is probably similar to a lot of people that start out listening to mind pump. At first, it's always Adams the asshole. That's

always what it is out first. I think most people out the gates are Sal fans. And then I'm the asshole. What's going on here? It's something with, no, I mean, you guys just see this in the comments all the time too. I'm sure like, everyone gets so mad that you guys interrupt each other. And so it's almost always what it is. If someone picks, picks aside, it usually starts with Sal. And then people are like, okay, Adam's not that bad, I guess. Justin, I think everybody loves Justin always. He makes us likable, dude. Yeah.

He totally makes his likable. Without him, we'd be totally screwed with that. So that's awesome. There's a thing that I love the, I think I've commented one time on here. I know off air, we've talked about it,

that when people, when they think Sal's interrupting me or vice versa, it's not. The best way I describe it is, you know, my sport analogies of being on a basketball court and like knowing where you're,

like when you play with a team long enough, you know this, you played sports. you get this flow state of where you just know where everybody's at. And I can feel Sal and Justin's energy when they're coming to an end of a thought or they're running out of stuff to talk about. And they can't too with me. And you can just feel that energy.

And so you insert yourself to keep the flow going. And everybody else interprets that as, you know, interrupting. And it's like, no, it's a very, for me, like, and I'm sure Sal is the same way too. Love it. Yeah, I love it. Because it reminds me, I used to love playing the game. And that was one of my favorite things is playing with my buddies that I've played with for a long time. And it's a beautiful pass.

And it's just like, oh, and only you and him probably really felt it and saw it because it was so fast in the game. Nobody else really understood or saw it completely. It's like that because of all the pressures you first talked about of what this feels like in here. I have so many examples of that, but one of my favorites is actually a funny story. Adam and I, we went to, I don't know. remember we went to do this podcast. It was Luke story. Was it his? Yeah, Luke story. And Adam gets asked the question and he's on this great thought. And then he starts to cough a little bit. He's like coughing. And I just take over the thought. Now, at the end of it, I knew what

happened. And I talk, I look at Adam like, you lost your train of thought, didn't he? He's like, yeah. He started coughing. Let me take over the rest of it. But you can't tell. You couldn't tell when you listen to it. Yeah. I mean, it's so funny because people will like defend you guys. People are like, like, let's out finish a thought. Like, it's so funny. The thoughts done. Okay, so since he asked you that, I'm more curious about since you've worked here, your relationship with everything. Am I still?

No, that is. That is actually a really good question. And people ask me this all the time, too. It's kind of funny, you know, like I'm developing my own little fan club. Are you really? Hey, someone recognized you the other day. Who wasn't that told me? You think it was Cole.

So someone came up to you and said. Someone, yeah, that has happened to me, which was really weird. Really weird. I was out. I was pretty close to here. So I don't know. Maybe they knew kind of where the studio was at. So they knew like, you know, they were already thinking mind pump maybe.

But yeah, someone recognized me out here a few weeks ago. It was super strange. Well. But yeah. So people ask me this all the time. And like, it's, it's really, I'm in a really unique, cool position because I get to learn things from each of you. And I get to pick up on like the strengths from each of you, which is like of all the things that I've gotten out of working here, like, that's my favorite. Like that's the coolest thing for me is you each have strengths. And so I get

to learn and like just, you know, I get to pick your brain and I get to like develop those things in myself that I see as like your guys's strength. So that's, that's by far one of the coolest here. That's awesome. All right. You had you had you, you asked you to, we asked you, I'm still an assholes. What you're saying. How to be an asshole. I was trying to get, I was trying to get into transition. Like, you know, Adam was originally this, but not so much No, no. So, you know, I asked, we asked the last minute to pop on and I said, hey, do you have any topics or anything? You brought food labels. What did you learn about food labels that you wanted to? Oh, I just thought this was really interesting. This was a new, you know, new study that came out. And it's nothing that we don't already know. Obviously, you know, you guys talk about on the podcast all the time of like food labels being inaccurate. Yeah. But there was a recent study that showed specifically protein on food labels to be inaccurate. Really? Yeah, I think it was somewhere in the range of like five to 50, five to, five to, five to, 20% or something. That's a big range.

It's exaggerated, right? Exaggerated. Okay. So why this is so interesting to me, okay, is that we've known for a long time that they, they give them the leeway of 20% off, right? FDA gives them that leeway. And I've said for the longest time, it's in their best interest because people know that you, you know, most people are trying to choose choices if you're paying attention

to calories. a food that says it's a lower calorie and taste good is appealing to you. So it's going to be in the company's best interests to exaggerate that, to underestimate that. But because we know protein is becoming so popular, so this is what is interesting to me, is they're probably low-balling the calories but high-balling the protein. So you're probably eating way more calories than you think

and less of the good thing that you think you're getting after it on most of these labels, which makes it even worse. what they would do because people are little apprehensive with fat and maybe carbs is they'll under-report those and over-report the protein, which this is another plus for whole foods. You weigh a potato or a chicken breast, that's what it has. You buy a packaged meal and the calories are off by 20%. Like, do the math.

If your goal is to hit 2,000 calories a day, that means you could be off by... 200 calories. Yeah, 400 calories. 100 calories. 400 calories. So 200 calories puts you at a deficit. Meanwhile, you're eating 2,400 calories,

which puts you at no deficit. And then you're wondering what the hell is going on. Why am I not losing anybody from? And then to add, you know, injury to insult there, you are, it's hard for most people to even hit their protein intake. And so you're eating a lot of this stuff that's package or process that tells you it's, oh, this is 20 grams. Oh, there's 40 grams.

And it's off and it's overestimated. So then you're missing your protein intake. that you, I mean, it's just, it's so funny, too, like most of the, most of the protein bars you see it, like a gas station and stuff. It's like they're already borderline, even being considered a protein supplement with the protein they claim is in there. Yeah. So now it's, it's even less. I know it'd be interesting to see, I'd have to look at the study, like, what, what kind of foods they pulled from. And if that included shakes and bars and stuff in there. Some of the worst offenders that we've seen studies on are, because they're in the business. I mean, they're in, they're really in the bit. Like, if you're buying a protein bar shake, it is a person who is reading the label. Well, you remember the whole controversy around amino acid spiking. So when a company is getting tested for protein content, what they don't do is test all the amino acids. What they'll do is they'll test key amino acids because we know if we get two grams of

lucene, then that correlates to 20 grams of protein or something like that. So what companies were doing, there was a protein powder company that did this. It wasn't even a bar. It was just pure protein powder, is they'd spike it with amino acids, which is well. way cheaper. So when it got tested, they're like, oh, yeah, it's 40 grams of protein per serving. Somebody went back, tested at the beginning. It said, uh-uh, it's like 20 or 15. And people were getting totally screwed. Yeah. So what they mentioned in this study is that most of these food labels supposedly are using, I think, nitrogen content. That's like how they're measuring it.

So I think the recommendation was like actually measuring the full like amino acid profile. Well, speaking of supplements, I pulled up and I saved them, some, some studies on Shillaj which is still blowing up. Shillajit is still blowing up. And I brought up specifically Shilajit for health for men.

Really interesting. Check this out. Male reproductive health. There was a 2010 study of 60 infertile men. So these are men with low, like low enough sperm counts where they're considered infertile. They gave them 100 milligrams of Shillajit twice a day

for 90 days. In 60% of them, there was a dramatic increase in sperm count and sperm motility in 12%. So Shilajit. 100 milligrams a day? Just 100 milligrams twice a day, 200 milligrams of day. So 200 milligrams.

Doug, how much is in a serving of the, you got Shilajit right in front of you? What's the, yeah, the Organified Gummies. What is that? 250 milligrams. Oh, there you go. And that's Prima V.

That's like the high quality. Yeah. Here's another one. A 2019 study of 63 men found that eight weeks of Shillajit supplementation reduced fatigue-induced declines of muscular strength and lowered levels of a marker of collagen breakdown. In other words, it helped with recovery. There was also an animal study that showed it reduced chronic fatigue syndrome.

And then there's others that show increases in testosterone. There was a 2016 randomized double-blind study. So this is like gold standard of healthy men between the ages of 45 to 55, 250 milligrams of purified chelagit, like the one that's an organified, same dose, for 90 days significantly increased total testosterone, free testosterone, and D-H-E-A levels with no. significant changes in gonatotropic hormones like LH and FSH. So it's like a, it's one of the few testosterone boosters that works on healthy men.

Most of them only work if you're testosterone. Buyer beware, though. I mean, this is like, you're, they're popping up everywhere. Prima V. That's the one that you can trust. Or Shopify that's the source. Organify uses Prima V. They source them from the real Himalayan Shalajit that standardized.

Have you guys ever tried other brands of Shilatia? Disgusting. It's terrible. I mean, Organify has always been so good, like, about, I mean, let's be honest, that's one of the things that, how we got connected was none of us have ever liked the taste of a vegan protein powder ever. Vegan protein powders are normally dog shit. It's like, and Organifies, at first I was like, this is actually really good for...

Not bad. Yeah. Especially, you can't compare it to weigh. I think that, like, when you're comparing vegan protein powder, you have to compare it to other vegan protein powders, nobody compares to Organify as far as the taste goes. And they've been that way with all... They've done. such a good job. Drew Zedon's such a good job

with all their products actually tasting. Are you, so you've tried straight? Are you like a supplement guy? Have you tried a lot of weird supplements? I'd say I'm a supplement guy. I'm not like I'm not in your level, but I'll try things that you give me. That's one of my favorite games to play. Sal just hands me a couple of pills. Just take these. He's got that power over all of us.

I trust him. He gave it to me. He's like, must be okay. Oh God, back in the day, I was just talking, we were joking with Doug because we were teasing Doug about stuff you could buy in the back of comic books back in the day when he was a kid like x-ray glasses, which were fake or whatever. I remember muscle magazines and in the back of muscle magazines,

they would always have these ads for like weird exotic supplements. And they would always position them like, oh, this is some secret Soviet stuff. Put like a needle on it. They have all these names that rhyme with like real testosterone stuff. I tried so many different crazy.

Bad, bad from so many states. Like, even have all kinds of stuff like that. One time I spent of my own money, and this is a night, this has to be, let's see, if I'm 16, so I think it's 1995 or 96, this is my own money. This is not adjusted for inflation. So this is the money I spent back then. I spent $250, okay, which today is worth something like $10 million. If you can be got inflation, $250 on a supplement stack.

Now, there was an, it was a hard garner stack. And, of course, I think I'm the biggest hard garner. And it was this before and after. picture of this guy that looked like he was skinny and then became a pro body movement. That's how crazy before and after was. And I thought this is going to work because there's 15 bottles. Like this is for sure going to work. And I

got this stack of 15 supplements and nothing. I got nothing from it. I didn't get anything at all. Do you remember the ergogen stack at the apex had the muscle building one where you took, you took oxybolic, creatine,

DHA, essential amino acids. I mean, I must have been taking 50 pills. And you had to take the creatine was 10 of those horse pills bro they were huge so i mean it was like a meal to get all those supplements they were like biscuits and i had the same thought too of man if i get if it's all of this it must work it's for sure going to work nothing stupid logic got nothing from whatsoever you know you're talking about old stuff i dug dad did you i don't know if you heard me talking about this maybe you can look this up i wanted to to get the numbers on i was just fascinated i heard it was i think i'm on a podcast this guy was breaking down just the just the

deterioration of our dollar. And it was like 1974, 1975, look at what the minimum wage was, and then look up what the price of gold was, and then take that ratio to today's minimum wage to what gold price. Yeah. And it was, so.

Our money has lost so much value. So what it was, so basically the math on it was, you know, minimum wage was, I don't know what it was, but it was really, really low, right?

It was a couple bucks. I don't remember what it was exactly in the mid-70s. but it was a couple bucks, and in relation to gold, okay, so if our minimum wage would have just kept pace to the gold standard of what it was back then, you should be, minimum wage should be roughly around $320,000 a year salary for somebody. Now that's not, by the way, for people who are like,

yeah, that's what, I don't know, that doesn't mean that minimum wage should cost that much. What that's pointing to is how much our money has been devalued. Yes. It's been devalued so much that gold to dollar rates, show has just completely become totally distorted. I mean, I knew it was bad, but that's like, that puts it in a whole other perspective. And also makes it like, no, no wonder, it's so difficult.

I mean, do you think about this? You have two little ones that are coming up. I mean, you have two that are entering in the workforce real soon here. And then you have two really young ones. Like, I'm, I'm under the belief that what it's going to look like, you're going to have to as a parent have a house that you, already bought or put a down payment for your kid in order to probably guarantee that your kid could even have a house. I had this good conversation.

So I had this debate with my cousins the other day. So there's a lot of things that have countered the devaluing of the dollar, like increase efficiency and how we create things. So that's actually offset it quite a bit. But with houses, because my cousin was like, oh, my God, when NONO came to this country, you know, it only cost him this much to buy a house. and he only did this job and he supported a family. I'm like, okay, let's compare apples to apples.

In 1960, the average American home that was being built was, think, a thousand square feet. Today, the average American home is something like 2,300 square feet. Back then, the average American home didn't have air conditioning. It didn't have the appliances. Didn't have three TVs. Today, we have all this. So if you go apples to apples and you compare what people were making back then to now

and you compare actual price per square foot, it's actually pretty close the different the problem is here where we live you can't I mean my grandfather when my grandfather came to San Jose uh San Jose was an orchard still it was it was farmland yeah still this was not an it was not an expensive place to live this was actually inexpensive place to live yeah now it's so Silicon Valley so um but when you compare apples to apples and it's funny like people like oh my God it's so expensive to to raise a family now it's like well how many cars you have do you have internet do you have have, you know, all these appliances, do you, TVs? Do you go on vacations every year?

What's your square footage? How often do you eat out? Is it really? That's an interesting thought. Like, I never thought to look at it like that. It's like, okay, you're right. So is that true that about a thousand, something square fees? I believe so. Like, what's the average size of a home in 1960? Did you do the math? I did do the math. Okay. So I use 1971. Okay. Which is when we went off the gold standard. Okay. So it's $35 an ounce back then. And it's now $3,270 an ounce. $3, 270 an ounce. for gold. The minimum wage back then was $1.60 an hour. Okay. So that's $149.50 per hour is what we should be making. If it's a court, if it was tied to gold. If it was tied to gold. So then what

would that be like to, yeah. So let me figure out that out, uh, that for 52 weeks. That'd be $3,000, 930. Yeah, wow. Exactly what I said. I know. 320. That's that's crazy. Yeah. That's wild. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Boom on. Okay. So go back to you. Okay. So you and now, Doug maybe you can look this up to because he said I want to fact check him. I didn't know this is true. The average size of an American home in 1960 and then average size of an American home today. It's more than doubled.

Really? Yeah. I mean, it's a really fair point to make because obviously we just, we always, we say that. We expect way more. Yeah. Now, my grandfather, I was trying to tell my cousins this. Like, how often do you think my grandmother and grandfather

went out to dinner? Never. Right. How often do they go on vacation? Never. How many cars do they have? One. Yeah.

Did they have internet, cell phone? Like, no, they had none of those stuff. So it's... What you got? So the average in 1960 was 1,200 square feet. Now it's 2,200. That's a median, though. That's a mid...

So almost double. Yeah, that's fair. People expect a lot more. Just like cars. Like cars are so much more expensive now, but cars, base car now has stuff that didn't even exist 50 years ago. Yeah. I remember, I was telling my daughter this.

My daughter's... And you technically could buy a really... I mean, a 10-year-old car that's rolled-down windows. I mean, you pay hardly anything for that. Dude, I was just talking to my daughter. So my daughter's got her driver's permit. She's doing drivers terrifying, by the way, as a father. It's like most terrifying things when a kid gets a driver's license.

But she's like, tell me about the first car you bought. What was it? And he's like, it was a Toyota pickup. It was four-cylinder. I bought it myself, $10,000 cash out the doors, what I paid. It had no power windows, no power steering. If you ever drove a car with no power steering, it's hilarious. trying to turn while you're parked. No air conditioning. Like it was stick shift. Another great point,

Doug just brought up right there too. Your average TV, one TV you had was a 21 inch RCA. Black and white, by the way. Black and white, 21 inch. Yeah. $2.68. What's your smallest TV you have at your house? Not 21 inches. Yeah. You have probably multiple. I won't admit how many I have and you definitely have the smallest ones probably triple that sense. No, what's happened. happened. Arthur Brooks talks about this is our wants, what we think our needs are, has grown so much that now, in fact, this brings me to a point of our dropping fertility rate. Our fertility rate is plummeting. And a lot of people are like, oh, it's because it's so expensive to live. And that's the reason why. That's not the reason why. Not the reason why at all. I don't think

anybody would trade living today versus living in 1950, way more difficult back then. It has nothing to do with the cost of living. We think we need all this other stuff, which we don't. It has everything to do with people are becoming more and more self-centered and self-focused. In 1950, people expected to raise a family and they expected to sacrifice their time and I'm a dad and I'm a mom. Now it's like, I don't got time for myself and I'm so busy. And how can I do all these other things that I want to do? I have all these kids. And it's like, it's just different. Okay. So challenge, challenging question for you. Back to what I was kind of alluding to, which is, you know, are we going to have to put a down payment or pay for our

kids' house? And do you do that? Or do you teach the lesson you're talking about right now that, honey, you need to want less. Yeah. What do you say? Yeah. No, the want less is going to give them way more returns for their whole life rather than me buying and setting them up. Now, I'm not going to say I'm not going to leave them with something or help them out. I'm way better off than my parents were. My dad was a poor immigrant. So, you know, God bless them. They couldn't pay for my college. I had to buy my own car. So I'll help them out.

But yeah, if you raise your kids to not feel like they need so much, I think that's a great lesson. I think it's a great lesson for everybody, you know, to learn. Yeah, I can't help but think right now. I mean, even as crazy it is right here, if you just went to Gilroy, which is, you know, 30 minutes south and bought a thousand square foot apartment, it's probably not that crazy.

No, no. But there's places in the country, it's still pretty damn inexpensive. It's just we live in an expensive ass. So that's, I'm just defending your point even more that like we have, you know, yes, we've devalued the dollar. Yes, all those things are true and it's gotten crazy. But it seems so much crazier because our expectations have grown so much more too.

Totally. Yeah, that's true. All right, I got another question for you guys. I already know the answer. But let's say, there's this guy, Stephen Meyer, I think I'm saying his name, right? He's this, he's a PhD. A very smart guy.

He makes an argument for intelligent design or theism, right? That there's a God, right? And he goes through and breaks down the odds of things. And he gives this example, I think it's so great. If we all somehow flew to Mars and we landed there and we saw a computer on Mars, would you think to yourself, wow, look at that. This happened by chance. Or would you think somebody made this computer?

That's kind of a cool way to do it. Yeah. That's a cool way to do it. I mean, I've always thought this one. I know, especially the more, and I don't know if I, does this harken back because of, I was raised in learning a lot of this stuff early on or would this have been my, my core beliefs before? I question that, of course, my bias, but it does seem to me like, the more you understand just even about nature, and I'm not even a big nature guy, like where I know that much, but just how synergistic everything is. almost magical how it all works together. It's just like the

chance of it all just kind of working like that is there you can get the odds so he actually broke this down and if somebody showed this to me when I was an atheist I think it would have gotten me to really open my mind so trip off this right a minimally functioning biological system or a

simple self replicate replicating molecule do you know what the odds are because you can calculate this actually AI will do this for you so not you but like literally a molecule that can self replicate, super, super basic. What are the odds that that would happen through the mutation process by chance? The number is a one followed by 60 zeros. In other words, one in a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, that this would happen. You want to know what

the odds are that complex life would come out of all that? A one followed by a thousand zeros. AI literally says impossible. It would be impossible. Isn't that wild? And I like how AI is teaching me that that is that's fascinating it's crazy it's like a tornado flying through a junkyard and assembling a supercomputer yeah it's not going to happen it just yeah the idea of the landing on mars and finding a computer and then none of us would no scientist every scientist would be like there's alien someone made this no way this happened by chance yeah that is kind of and that's nowhere near as complex as the human the human not even close not even close yeah I know I love that kind of stuff speaking of mars did you guys uh I don't know how real this

so maybe fact check me on this. But I saw that they're sending a young girl to Mars. What? And that she's not expected to return. No. I don't know if this can't be real to you. I don't know what you're reading there. No.

You're taking justice position really seriously. Right now. That's something he would say. You're a good conspiracy. Let's go. Yeah, bro. Let's go. I love this.

Let's see. She's 12 years old. She was young. I mean, I think she was in her early 20s or something, and she's not expected to come back. Young girl to Mars. That's space, Doug. That's a big difference. Doug's a Google champion.

Google champion. I'm going to put a computer right over there so you can do it yourself. No, there are no current plans to send young children. Well, you look at a young child. Just put a woman. Just put, are we sending a woman to Mars? Don't put young either. I don't know why you said young.

It's your age, bro. you're the same age as that girl you just said while no woman has been sent to Mars yet several women are actively training and preparing for future Mars missions one such woman is who is that who has dedicated her life NASA blueberry to be coming

so you know what's so she's actually going to try and go I think that I think that might be what I saw I don't know so it sounds like there's not any official plans yet but dude you know what's crazy about this like she's trying to go If we send someone over there, they won't come back.

Yeah, the time it takes. And how would you get them back? How would you get them back? You don't have the fuel in this stuff. You can't. Yeah. Would that be, okay, so here's what? I go with her.

So, so. You go with her? She is kind of cute. So here's what you'd be so bored, dude. Oh, my God, you'd be so bored. You get an argument? Yeah. Nowhere to go.

So, so the U.S. rebelled from England, right? England comes over here, sets up these colonies. eventually we're like we don't need to tell us what to do like is that what's going to happen on Mars we're going to send people over there and send them instructions from Earth and eventually they're going to be like today's our independence day we're our own plant world what do what do you do what do you'd be pretty dependent on the on the that's a good point until they weren't yeah yeah just like the colonies here that's a good point yeah that's exactly how I'll go so long as they're

dependent and we're sending them food and whatever eventually like why are you telling me what to do yeah we're independent now they'll be they'll have seen I think it's on Apple. I think it's called For All Mankind. No. Great TV show. Really? Highly recommend.

I started to get into it for a little while. So good. So it's basically like the way that it starts is it starts with like the space race with Russia. Yeah. But then what happens is it's obviously hypothetical. What happens is Russia beats the U.S. to space. And then it like plays out how that would look. That's right.

That's right. So then the next thing is like who can establish a base on Mars or on the moon. And then the next thing is who can get to Mars first. Great TV show. You guys know. There's an international treaty, right, for the moon. No country is allowed to put a base on the moon. Wow.

Yeah. The Soviets and America has been there anyways. Huh? No one's been there. Gotta get there first before you build the base. Well, you know what? Think about it, though. Think about the strategic advantage a country would have

putting a base on the moon to launch, you know, nukes from. Yeah. That would be really good, dramatic show. Oh, I want to watch that. Yeah, I started to watch it. I can't remember why I fell off of it. I mean, you know why? Because it's science fiction and Katrina's not in a science fiction.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, listen to your wife. Yeah. I mean, I do have to share the TV with her, or at least one of the TVs. One of the TVs, too. Oh, man. So, hey, how do you feel about our trainers wearing Viori as? Oh, I love it.

I love it. It's like this perfect, like, it's exactly what I want for our trainers because a lot of trainers are like super underdressed, which I just can't stay. You walk into a big box gym, and it's like, you just got, like, crappy, like, basketball shorts. I love this kid. Yeah, I agree. So it's, it's more professional. I like it.

So you're two super pro trainers wearing a uniform. I love it. I love it. Like, we, so obviously, Viori has, like, you know, we have, like, the regular t-shirts and stuff that they'll wear. But we also have the polos, too. Yeah. Looks great. I, I, 100% agree.

When I used to own my studio, I made myself uniform shirt. I owned the place. but I always wore uniform shirts. I think it presents something so professional. I don't care what you say, and even if this is a small percentage, it's still a percentage of people that are going to judge you by your appearance.

And if you're put together sloppy, if you're, I said, tell my trainers this, your hair is all disheveled and shirts all untucked or you don't have, you just, I mean, you, I don't care about, I don't care about your client that you've had for three years, who doesn't care that you let you roll out of bed,

but you're also meeting with Tim, who you've never met before, and you have no idea if he's going to find that disrespectful or think you're and then if you look that way, you're already, and it's not to say you can't talk your way out of that hole and still find a way, but like, why start there? Why not start with this profession that you know for sure nobody's going to judge you negatively for looking sharp and it's just like, why put yourself at a disadvantage of a job that's already really hard for people to have a lot of success in, like, no, they look good.

Start with that. Especially, I mean, in this studio, it's like we have a really nice high-end looking studio. Like, it's got a match. 100%. All right. I got another interesting take on supplements. Dr. Rondra Patrick did a post. Oh.

And for the first, and she made a really good case. She made a really, really good case on why it's maybe better or possibly better or probably better that instead of eating fish to get your omega-3s, it might be better to take the supplement. No way. I don't buy that. trip off, so listen to this. Is it just because how bad like all of our fish are shit? Oh, okay. Omega three supplements. Not you can't compare it to wild

fish? Yeah, well, you're right, but so listen to what she says. Okay. Omega three supplements may be a safer way to obtain essential fats compared to fish. Due to environmental contamination, most fish contain microplastics and heavy metals that enter our bodies when consumed. High quality omega three supplements address this issue.

They're purified. How wild is this? Interesting. Because they find that a lot of these fish you find or buy, it's got microplastics. Look, you get omega-3 is great, but now you got microplastics. Now, that's got to be in the farm.

The worst. Yeah. I mean, if you're out in Alaska fishing and getting fish. You see the color difference in the two, like the farm defresh. Oh, yeah. They look different. They taste different.

Do you know they add to farm salmon? They add pink dye. So they look more like that. And they still look off. That's how bad they are. They're so bad. They're so bad. They're dying it to look that way.

And it's still this look right. You know, I ate, I always, I didn't know this, but I always ate farm salmon. And the first time I ate wild caught salmon, I didn't realize it was salmon. I'm like, what is this? So much better. It just wasn't the same. Farmed salmon is like, it's like half fat. It's like this fatty, super hyper fatty fish.

Wild salmon is actually lean in comparison. Yeah. Again, another argument for. you know, going that route, the same size of a serving, leaner with more protein. Nine ounce, you know, six ounces of farmed, six ounces of wild caught, more protein and less calories. Do you think in our future, even with all the technology advances, do you think we're going to get more to it?

It's so funny you brought this up to because this was on my conversation with Katrina. I just told her yesterday or day before that I want to make a conscious effort of like going down in the farmer's market and starting to, one, not only support our local farmers, but also get better about, like, buying stuff like that, that it's grown in someone's little private farm where it's all organic, all better. And I know there's a lot of, you know, I just watched the guy that actually Josh has just been talking about

the kid that's viral. He was interviewed with Jordan Siot, and Jordan Sight was talking about some of these pesticides that organics use. Yeah. That are as bad, if not worse. Heavy metals can be high in organic. Not even that. He even, he named a pesticide that was banned.

But they use it in organic? But they use it in organic. You know what's crazy about wild? Here's a challenge with wild fish. Name a meat aside from wild fish that we still go get in the wild. Like we don't because the demand is so high. Yeah. And can we meet the demand by just going out and fishing in the ocean?

The, the actual truth is farmed fish might be the future because how can we? we meet the demand. Yeah, okay. You're just talking about fish. You can still get wild deer and, oh. What's the last time we ate through it? Well, no, I mean, it's been a while since I had it when I live in Colorado. My neighbor used to hide it.

But imagine if we didn't have any cattle or things that we raised that way, we run out of, you know, it would be difficult. So they just have to, I think farming, farmed fish, they have to really look at the practices and change them because I don't know how we can keep. You know, you can get, you can still get wild caught fish and you can still get it decent. But if everybody went in that direction, I don't think they'd be able to support. the consumer. Yeah. Because you got to go out in the ocean and get it all.

I don't think it's enough. You think that would be that big of a demand? Huge. Huge. Yeah. I mean, that's the, I mean, you right now with price is how you segment that to where it's just like,

it's more expensive. You're going to pay for those, those types of things. So I don't know. I just, I feel like I have a little like a setup to where I can do a garden in my backyard. And I haven't started yet. My goal is next spring is to start.

Are you going to start gardening? Yeah. You're going to grow up. vegetables and stuff? A couple things. Really? Yeah, yeah. Like what?

Well, I mean, tomatoes are identical to growing marijuana, so I should be able to take care of some tomatoes. Should be able to take care of some tomatoes. I forgot. You're probably a hell of good farmer.

It's identical, actually. A lot of people don't know that. So all your ratios of NPK and everything like that is identical to... I forgot, bro. You're a total farmer nerd because of weed. Yeah, yeah, no. And let me tell you,

it's the art of doing that is... Like, Katrina always bust my chops because I'm always asking her to tend to all the plants. She's like, you're the one who is a green thumb of the family? I'm like, come on, you're the chick. You're supposed to take care of our flowers. I was like, when we grow food, I'll take care of it. I was like, when we grow food, I'll take care of it.

I said, but the flowers, come on. You can keep some flowers alive. So tomatoes, what else? What do you want to grow? Green onions, tomatoes. What else did I tell? I just like, I only want to do a few things. Just for fun. Yeah, well, yeah, and I don't want to bite off more than I can chew. I mean, I'm... Dude, you got to go to my parents? My parents, they have a typical...

I was like a backyard. It's not a huge backyard. It's like a typical small small. But my dad, every square-old garden. Oh, bro, he grows, you know, he loves it. He goes out there. He makes, he grows green beans. They're just so good. And tomatoes. We have a, we have a peach tree and a, and a lemon tree that this year that was just, it was so cool to be able to get them off the tree and stuff like that this year. And it's like, it really inspired me to do that. I'm like, you know, and our neighbors came over and brought their tomatoes from their garden. And our other neighbors brought over their eggs. And I'm just like, oh, man, if I grow a few things here, I could really kind of have eat a lot of our stuff locally and homegrown.

And I want to try my best to kind to do that as much of chicken. I think chickens are a good idea. I would love to have chickens. Yeah. Ask Justin about that. He said it's not. Well, here's why. When they're close to the house, they bring like rats and share.

Because of all the feed. Yeah. He had to kill a chicken too. It was traumatizing. Really? Yeah, dude. I forgot why he had to kill a chicken, but it was buried. I mean, I've killed a lot of.

Well, you've done it forever, but he's like, he's saying to me, he says, I had to, like, go dark, bro. I had to go, like, until, like, killer mode to kill it because it was too hard. Well, you know that saying, like, run around with the chicken with their head cut off, too. Like, that's a real thing. Like, you cut a chicken's head off.

He'll run around still. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, yeah, it's a trip. But, yeah, you can, I mean, if you have some cats or some things to keep it at bay, you'd be all right. Yeah. But if you just, you, you're inviting some other rodents

to probably come around. So you'd want to have it a decent distance from the house. And I think Justin's was pretty, pretty close to his house. And he already lives kind of out in the country think about that. You ever work on a farm? Not an animal farm.

I worked on a blueberry farm. I knew it. I don't know why. A blueberry farm. I did. Yeah. You guys ever heard the story? No.

This was like mid-COVID. I had nothing else to do. Me and my buddy, he has like some guy he knew that was like some investor in this farm in North Carolina. And we were just kind of sitting around, couldn't work, couldn't do anything. And so we're like, I go fly out to North Carolina and work on this blueberry farm. I did not know that. That's the most random thing.

That is the most random thing. You actually flew to another state to tend to blueberries? We lived in this, like, crappy little motel. It was like, you know, I don't know, a couple hundred dollars a week or something like that. And the pay was terrible. It was not at all worth it for pay. Like, it was like 14 an hour or something like that. Yeah, it was terrible.

It's intense. Like working on a blueberry farm, intense. What do you mean? So you have to, you have to, like, pick them? No, so we didn't pick them by hand. They have, like, these machines and tractors that kind of like, you know, kind of shake them off the bush and puts on a, like, in conveyor belt kind of thing. But it's intense because if it was going to rain,

you had to get as many of the blueberries off the bush as you could because the rain would like knock them off into the ground. They'd be bad. So if there's a storm coming, it's like we're out there sometimes until like 2 a.m. Like trying to get all these blueberries off the bushes. What? It was intense.

That's, that is. So it's like 2 a.m. It's raining. I'm running through the mud. Like crazy. How long you do this for? It was like probably month and a half, two months. So you're the teenage.

How did you find that? How did you find that? It was, uh, my friend, he just knew some guy that I think was like an investor in the farm or something. Okay. He's like, like two young kids. And you're bored. Let's go. That's the last thing I would have done to Fow's bored. Yeah.

It was an interesting. That's wild. I'm trying to think how old I was when I did the bees. That's what that reminds me. Oh, yeah. Did it want go down your butt crack? Yes, bro. I've never, that's actually the only, technically the only thing I've ever.

The big B suit, right? It is the only thing I've ever quit in my life. I've never quit a job or anything like that. I just picture out of it a B-suit. Dude, I mean, I didn't, it didn't, it didn't bother me into, and what it was, the irony of it was there wasn't even a B in the suit that was doing this. It was the sweat. I was sweating.

It was so hot. And the sweat was running down my back and then down my butt crack. And I thought it was a bee climbing in my, in my butt. And I freaked out, you ran away from the, stripped everything off, stripped my clothes off. And he's like, I can't do this. Like just the, because you have to just get used to them crawling all over you. And it's like you, the, and too, I remember when I got suited up in it, like the suit I had was from fucking the 80s. You know, it was like holes in it and stuff like that.

You put duct tape on all these holes. And they find a way. They finagle away into your suit. No matter how taped up you were, at least the one I was in, they find out. And it's just normal. All of a sudden, they'll be flying inside your veil. And you're like, there's a beat inside with you. and you do this.

You just lift your helmet up. You wait from them to fly there. You smash them on your head. You keep going about your business. That's just, that's the game. And you just do that. So you already know they're getting in there.

And then all of a sudden, and I'm getting hot from doing all this and I can feel, so it feels like crawling. Like, you know, sweat almost feels like a bug is crawling on you. And I can't tell the difference. And so, and that was,

it was bothering me so much. And I'm sweating so much. It's like, I couldn't handle it. And the fact that it's going in my butt crack was just like, that was enough. That was a, that was a note. That was it. That's my line.

I'm like, I'm out. I'm like, keep the money. I was like, keep the money for my night tonight. You got a few hours out of me for free. I can't do this anymore. That was it, dude. It was a hell of it. But similar experience.

Like I can't even remember how I took the job. I was a young, like you, a young kid who was just looking to make money and willing to do almost anything. And you had a family friend. Yeah. Yeah. That's how it was like, it was summer. And I wasn't work.

I wasn't work at school, wasn't working at somewhere else. And someone had a beehive job moving. Like, we basically show up in the middle of the night, too, because that's when they sleep. So you show up at two in the morning. And you, there's, you know, just we have a big diesel truck. And I'm loading up just box after box after box, hours of loading up these bees. You smoke them out to calm them down.

And they're, you know, they're crawling all over you and stuff. Like, that was fine. Never. Yeah. I'd never do that. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. I won't ever again.

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Our first caller is Allison from Pennsylvania. Hi, Allison. Hi, Allison. Hi, guys. How's it going? Good. Great. How are you? Hello. I am good. It's really nice to meet you. And thank you so much for having me on your show. You got it. How can we help you? Yeah. So let me give you a little backstory here. Throughout the majority of my childhood and adolescent years, I struggled really bad with obesity. I finally got to a point where I got sick of feeling the way that I was, and I started walking, exercising, eating healthy, and the weight started to drop. That eventually kind of transitioned into me taking on running, which I fell in love with, and I still love running, but it didn't really, like, my physique did not look the way that I wanted it to. So from there, I started incorporating weight training. and I saw a huge difference.

But now I'm to a point where I'm, like, stuck and I'm not really progressing in either one of those categories. And I've never had any type of structure training. And I don't know where to go. Okay. Have you, first place I'd want to know is kind of what we've been doing eating wise. Because normally when we stall out in the strength training spot, it's because we're not quite feeding our bodies enough in order to continue to build. muscle. So have you tracked calories before in macros? Yes. But to touch on that just a little bit, I have some issues with tracking calories and

weighing and things like that. It just, I start to develop unhealthy eating habits when I start to do that. So that I've, there's so many different factors that I feel like are kind of working against each other. Yeah. No, that's good. That's fine. That's normal. That's perfectly fine. I would say just chase protein. Eat it first. That would be the only thing I'd worry about. 120 pounds. If you ate 30 to 45 grams of protein per meal, you'd be totally fine. You said you don't have a structured strength training program? No, I've never, everything that I've done is just kind of been on a whim and it's worked to a certain extent, but like I need, I need help and some breaks on what I. That's an easy fix.

Oh, look at you. Phenomenal progress. Allison, you just pulled up your picture there. Thank you. If I just put you on one of our programs, you're going to blow your mind. Yeah. Just that alone is going to do one of those. You do that and you chase the protein like Sal saying you're going to see a world of a difference.

And I saw on there you wanted to get your deadlift up and you want to get. All right, MAP's endabolic. Done deal. That's it. Follow MAPS etabolic. And you know what? Let me have you back on in three months because I can't wait to hear about the progress if that's okay. Don't neglect, don't neglect, though, really trying to get after protein because typically

what ends up, the reason why I brought the calorie thing right up is what happens for someone who's lost a lot of weight like that, ran a lot, you're burning a lot and you're not consuming a lot. And in order for us to build muscle, we need to be in a slight surplus. Doesn't have to be a lot, but a slight surplus. And so go after that protein. And that protein is essentially, you know, along those lines, are you still running? I am. And I, so I, can I do that with running anabolic? Depends. How much you're running? So I'm running right now, roughly three days. a week, sometimes four, and I have one day that I dedicate to like long distance running where I don't do any type of weight training. Like I cut everything else out. How many, okay, what does

your whole workout routine look like? You run three days a week. Yep. And I generally lift four days a week. Oh, God. You're going to blow your mind when you follow a program. Follow maps metabolic. Yeah. You can go ahead and follow the three day a week version. There's two options in there. go ahead and follow a three-day-a-week version. How long are you running when you run three days a week? How many miles? So one day I'll run a 5K. One day I'll run literally, like as long as I can.

And sometimes that's between 15 and 17 miles, which is kind of crazy. And then generally the other day, it's about like six to eight miles. Okay. Here's what you're going to do. You're going to not do that long run anymore. Okay. You're just going to run two days a week. You're going to run 5K on both of them.

That's it. That's it. That's it. Two 5K runs just so you can keep some of your endurance of stamina because you love it. And then lift three days a week, perhaps anabolic, you're going to blow your mind. And for sanity reasons, if that feels like you're cutting so much out of your running, go for nice walks. Put the podcast in your ear and go the same distance you would run. Or the same time.

Yeah, the same time that you would run for. You can walk, walk for, and listen to the podcast. That's right. That's your homework, okay? Okay. You do that. You do that. You go after protein.

Don't need to get crazy with counting. Just go after your protein. Follow maps in a bog. We're going to blow your mind. Yeah. And I'm going to tell you something. You got good genetics. If you're building the physique that you are with that kind of routine, you're going to get real good progress.

If you do what I tell you. Yeah. You're going to be fun to help. You're going to be fun to help. You guys are the experts. So that's why I can do you. No, let's do it. Maps Anabolic, two days a week.

Do your 5K run. If you want, do more stuff, you can walk. And that's it. Hit your protein target. you're going to blow your mind. Yep. All right. Awesome.

Well, thank you guys so much. I really appreciate everything you do. You got it. Yeah, check back with us in at least three months. We'll see you then. Okay. All right. Sounds good.

Thank you guys. Thank you. That, just for people listening right now, that would be, like, that's the kind of client that I would like. Yes. Hire me because I'm going to blow your mind right now. Yeah, yeah. It's going to be huge. Because she looks like she knows how to lift, and she's actually just mostly running, and she's

beating herself up. So she's got some money. also building genetics there. Yeah, yeah. She's going to do well. Very well. Reducing that amount of running and focusing on. Good programming.

Yeah. Yeah. The one thing that'll be important, that I know we didn't get in the calories and I know we don't, like, you don't want to take somebody like that who isn't. But what can happen is like, and we just use hypothetical nurse. You know,

she went from eating 25 or 3,000 calories all the way down to like 15 hundred. Yeah, she just goes too low. Yeah. And she's really low and she's doing a lot. And then that'll stall, that'll stall a physique out real quick. And so if she just kind of focuses on, on getting after protein more than what she was before.

Hopefully that gives enough of a little bit of a boost in calories and what the nutrient that she needs and she'll build. Our next caller is Stella from Illinois. Stella. How are you? How are you? How are you? How are you guys? Thanks for having me. Yeah, how can we help you?

I'll read off my email and just get straight to it. So a mom of four, I'm 42 years old. I have a 14-year-old, 9-year-old, 6-year-old, and almost 9-month-old. um so i i don't even there's like so much to kind of talk about so i stopped drinking caffeine in the past three four months and so in the meantime um that was giving me a lot of uh calorie intake because i had a lot of cravings with the coffee and it sounds crazy but um plus energy drinks plus pre-workout and all that stuff so i cut it all out kept going to the gym four five times a week felt really fatigued, really terrible.

So with the calorie intake, because I was tracking my calories, I just decided that I was reverse dieting. I was like, you know what? I'm going to call it reverse dieting. It is what it is. And so now my big question is because the baby still doesn't sleep great. She's a good baby, but I'm still waking up. I'm not getting any more than three to five hours of like a good shut eye at the end of the night.

So I'm up early with her between like, 5.30, 6, 37 o'clock, we get up, and I'm up for the day. The only thing that's consistent throughout my day is my 9 o'clock class that I take. I go to the gym at 9 a.m. And after that, I come home, do whatever at the house. Then I go to work between 2 and 3, and then I get home around 9 or 10. And whenever I get to bed, I get to bed. So that's like my big question. Now, so my concern is I want to start like a calorie deficit because I do want to lose some weight. I feel much better, more like myself. I'm seeing really a lot of more improvement at the gym.

I felt like my nervous system was shot because of all the caffeine intake. So that's good. I feel stronger. I feel better at the gym. So I feel like now I'm ready for that calorie deficit. So I feel like I want to go on a deficit. I've been in a deficit before the baby. I was probably in the best shape ever, like ever in my life.

So then I got pregnant and kind of back to where I started. So I want to start my calorie deficit. I slowly have decreased my calories just a little bit because I need to maintain that energy. I stand all day for work. I'm a salon owner. Problem is I just don't know my time frame for like eating because I want to maintain a calorie deficit. Obviously keep my energy, but it's hard for me to kind of guesstimate that window because I'm up so early and then I'm kind of up kind of late. It's just, it is what it is.

So that's like my biggest concern right now. Yeah. Are you, are you still breastfeeding or no? No, I stop that. I got to say this, too. By the way, you mind if I talk about how much caffeine you were taking at your peak? Because you wrote it. No, I don't mind at all.

So, by the way, I've trained a lot of people like you, Stella. You're a, what we would call a cortisol junkie. So, like you fit into an avatar, salon owner, lots of caffeine, little, sleep. Go, go, go. Savage. You're burning everything. You're burning the candle at both ends. Oh, yeah. Like that midday crash is like another level of awful. Yeah. But you, yeah. So, what you shouldn't do is going to calorie deficit. You're going to throw another piece of stress at your body. And yeah, you'll crash. You'll crash out hard. You'll probably get some hormone issues if you haven't already. I want to know more about the 9 a.m. class also. Yeah. And then that's the other

thing I was to say. It's probably great that you get away for a little bit of time for yourself. but I don't I don't I'm going to guess let me just guess that the 9 am. class is like a crazy workout class. I'm going to assume it's not like you in your or what is it? Yeah, what are you doing? Absolutely not. No, I'm not into that stuff. I mean, I loved, you know, once in a while I was at like a big gym where I like taking

all kinds of classes, but I really love strength training. I love conditioning. That's what my gym is. My coaches are phenomenal. So it's all geared toward and it's all programmed out. Every month we got a program. It's amazing. So, like, today was deadlifting.

We did deadlifting. We did a little bit mobility, you know, stuff like that. So it's traditional strength training. So I, yeah, and I love strength training. I'm not into like that crazy cardio and all that nonsense. I love going in, lifting heavy. Because, you know, I have a back issue. I have degenerative disc disease.

So I feel like ever since I've been strength training for the past like eight years on and off, it's really helped me stay strong for work too. Like I stand on my feet. My back does not hurt. My shoulders don't hurt. None of that stuff. Oh, good. So me being strong, that, like, helps me, you know.

So, Stella, you're doing like, so the class is, like, traditional strength training. You do a set, you rest. You do a set, you rest, or is it like circuits? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Oh, good. Yeah, great.

Yeah, you're good. Don't go into calorie deficit. That'll, that'll, that's a mistake right now. I would keep you at maintenance or I'd even continue to slowly bump things up, keep your protein intake high. And I wouldn't overdo anything. I mean, how often are you taking the class in the morning? How many days a week?

at least four to five for sure yeah you're probably better off going three uh and maybe just walking the rest of that and then just letting your body heal a little bit because part of the reason why you're getting that crash is you're just you're just doing too much poor sleep uh plus the stress plus the work that you do you're on your feet all the time uh you know you just got off the caffeine uh not that long ago i think it would be and you just had a baby nine months ago it takes about two years for a woman's body to get back to normal you you look really great Yeah, you're resilient as hell. Thank you.

Yeah. So. Thank you. And I get the temptation of you're starting to feel good. And then that makes you want to go push. But I don't know if that's the right move right now. I think I would really want to hear like as we're going to these 9 a.m. classes that are strength base, which I love is like, are we getting stronger?

Like that's what I'm like, you know, is the deadlift going up? Is the shoulder press going up? Like, how are we doing with stuff like that? So my deadlifting, yes, 100%. Like it really affected the caffeine. was really affecting. I'm very in tune with my body because I feel like I just have to be. It was really affecting my nervous system.

Like working weight for deadlifting, I could do like between 165, 185, depending on how I'm feeling. And I couldn't push before the caffeine cut like more than 125. And I'm like, there's something wrong, you know? And so when I cut that out, I'm like, all right, let's see how it is. And after about a month, I was able to start pushing heavier weight. Good. My squats were a little bit better.

Everything started going up, you know? Good. So that being said, I feel stronger. We do a lot of kettlebell work. I was able to do a PR with my Turkish get up. So that made me feel good. So I'm like, all right, I'm doing everything the same, no sleep, whatever. The only thing that was huge for me in difference was the caffeine intake.

You know, so I used to do before the baby, I used to get up and do a 6 a.m. class. So I would just get up, grab a shake and just go and then come home. And then, you know, at the end of my night, I would come home and just go to bed. Because the kids are older, they could just, you know, I don't have to worry about a baby. And then after the baby, everything's kind of shooken up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, you got to take it easy for a little while. And you'll actually progress faster if you take it easy.

So here's my question, though. Go ahead. Because we do have a program, right? So, like, every day is different. Every week is the same example. Like Mondays are full body conditioning, you know, strength training. Tuesdays we deadlift. Wednesdays we do benching.

Thursday, the squatting. Fridays are full body, just like Monday. I'm not sure which day to kind of eliminate. You drop the one full body. You drop one of the full bodies. Drop Monday. Drop Monday, the conditioning day. Yep.

Stick to the strength. Yeah, stick to the strength training. Just do the squat, the deadlift, the squat day, the full body day, but drop the conditioning day. Don't cut your, don't cut your calories. You'll get, you'll progress faster that way. Yeah. For sure.

And by the way, caffeine, for sure. was frying your central nervous system, especially at that dose. I mean, it's unbelievable. I've never felt like that before in my life, but it was just like, you just become robotic after a time. I mean, people chain smoke. I was like chain making coffees. I'm just waking up, just making coffee.

My eyes are still shut and just hanging the coffee. You know, like going to work, making a coffee, stopping by my husband's restaurant, grabbing a coffee. It's like there's no reason for it. It's just, and I love the way it tastes. It's not like it was giving me energy, obviously. You know what? Good for you, though.

I mean, coming off of that is a lot. Not a lot of people can make it off of that. So good for you. Oshraganda would be a good supplement for you. So would create. I started taking it. Good. Oh, good.

The red juice. Red juice by organifies incredible. Yeah, cratine would be good. And I would also do. I take creatine too. Good. And I would also look at magnesium, vitamin D as well. So you probably eat meat.

So you're probably okay with your B vitamins. You're Greek. So I haven't met too many vegan Greeks. So, yes. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, but yeah, magnesium would probably be another supplement. You're doing really good.

I think I would just be encouraging you to, like, let's, you know, let's wait a little bit longer. Let's wait until the baby's a little bit older before we start to get a little crazy. And if I can get you stronger and eating a little bit more calories, that's the main goal right now. I feel like, can we keep going up? Can we keep going up on calories? Can we keep getting stronger? And then as the baby starts to give you a little bit more sleep, then we can say, okay, maybe pick up that class again or let's cut now. But right now, I think you're just starting to feel really good.

And I still think there's more good for you ahead. I hope so, because I love it. I mean, it's like the gym is the only thing that is consistent for me. So if I don't go, I'm literally at home like, all right, what am I doing? You know? You can go for a while. So Monday, instead of doing the conditioning class, if you found something like a yin yoga, you could do that. That'd be good.

Something recuperative or even walking would be good. And then diet-wise, you know, just eat healthy. You know, you could avoid things like processed foods and gluten. which oftentimes are inflammatory for people. Yeah. But yeah, and you said your husband's restaurants and you're Greek, so you've got great access to good meat, good rice, good vegetables. I think if you stick to that, some fruit, I think you'll be, you'll do great.

All right. What window frame would you suggest considering my, and I don't want to call it fasting because I don't like that word at all. I just need like that window where it's like, all right, you're up at 6 a.m. and then you're going to go bed to bed at, like, 10 p.m., 11 p.m. When do you think a good cutoff would be for that? Now, why do you want to cut off? Is it because of the structure?

I feel, yeah, and I just don't want to go to bed eating at like 9 p.m. You know what I mean? Unless you don't think that's a problem. I think if you don't eat an hour or two before bed, typically. In the morning, though, in the morning, you should start with a little bit of protein and fat in the morning. That helps stabilize blood sugar for the whole day. So you don't think it's a big deal for me to stop eating after a certain points. No, no, no.

But, you know, a couple hours before bed, so it doesn't affect sleep. But in the morning, like, even if you ate like just a couple eggs, just give you some fats and some proteins that tends to stabilize blood sugar. Especially if what you're eating later, too, is balanced and good. I mean, if you're making good choices, I actually don't even really care how late you're going, really, especially if you give a little break before bed. Like my husband cooks every night. He has the kids that night.

I went out at work. So, like, yesterday he grilled. So he'll grill some steaks. Yeah. Or I just come home and just, like, have just a steak, you know? Yeah, there go. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I eat good, but.

Yeah, perfect. That's it. That's it. I did get a few programs, too, like in the beginning when I was home with the baby. I got, there was like a, she was born in October. So there was like a holiday bundle. Yeah. So I picked it up.

That was, those are awesome. Yeah. Well, you got a very, you're very resilient. Did you say you're 42? You look a good seven years younger than that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah, it was the baby planned, by the way? Not really. I mean, I listen, you know, God has other plans. I was in the best shape ever and I was like, man, I feel so good. I've never felt better in my life. And, you know, I'm standing in front of my mirror all day. And, like, my clients were like, man, you look awesome. And I'm like, yeah, dude, I'm walking my steps.

You know, I'm telling them everything I hear about. I'm like, you guys don't listen to podcasts. Like, I'm always like, there's a little podcast. There were a bunch of dudes. I've told her brothers, so I feel like literally listening to you guys is hysterical. I'm like, I feel like I'm with all the boys. That's great. And it's so fun. Like, I crave it. I get in my car and I drive to work. And I'm like, all right, 10 minutes of this. And I'm like ready to go. I just throw you guys on no matter what.

The fact that you went into this pregnancy in the best shape of your life, you're going to be so grateful you did that. I mean, to me, that is that all set up is everything. All the clients I trained that had babies, the women that went in in their best shape of their life, And you come out great. You rebound, great. You'll be, and you're very common where I have to tell them like, hey, hold on, hold on. I know you're ready. I know you're ready to go get after it again.

But it's still going to keep getting better by taking it easy. And don't worry. There's going to come a time. And I have to, like, if it's okay to give a shout out to my coaches and my gym, I would, I would love to because they're phenomenal. I mean, it's not a gym. They're two amazing trainers and they're, it's a privately owned gym. And there's so much, like, work and effort and patience that they, put into all of it and I bring the baby with me.

It started off with like, all right, I'm going to slowly come back like two days a week and they're like, of course, bring the baby, you know? So she would sleep half the time and then somebody would pick her up and like now she comes all the time and she just hangs out. And if it wasn't for that, I don't, like I don't even know what Jim I would be able to go to, you know, so. Give me a shout out. Yeah, who are they?

Yeah. So it's Ray and Robin and they're in Parkridge at Adaptable PT. They're just phenomenal. I mean, I love the structure. And I love the fact. The way the way the classes are structured. If I was going to do a class, that's rare to find. That's how I would build it is like that.

We talk about that all time. We're like, if you were to do a class, it would be focused on a lift. And then you have a full, I love, I love what they're doing. So, yeah, they're amazing. And it's, I, like, I constantly tell people all the time, like, you got to, like, work out and just be functional. Like, you, you, like, I have kids. I have to be able to, like, move and function and do stuff, pick them up, all the good things. But a lot of people are scared of it because it's like, so do you guys, do guys,

do cardio, that's like the number one question. I'm like, what does that even matter? Like, who cares about cardio? Yeah, you're sweating. Are you having to your sweat? Yeah, you're going to sweat. Well, good job. But yeah, they're great. Awesome. Good, good, good. Good job. They're doing good. Keep it up, Stella. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys. You guys are doing amazing. It's just incredible to just listen. Appreciate it. Thank you so much. Yeah. That's, uh, that's, that's, uh, that's, I love that they let her bring the baby. I used to do that with my clients. I let them bring their kids. Good, uh, good, I was so worried about clap. But she said

clatt and I am club. So was I because she's, oh, she does. She fits the avatar, bro. Orange theory. Yeah, the hair salon owner. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Oh, on caffeine. Just like, go, go, go, go, go. Yeah, no, no. But you know what? I mean, she looks phenomenal. Four kids, 42, like, just came off of what, nine months ago, she said. Yeah, she's doing great. She looks already amazing. But that's a testament to her lifting going into it. That's right. You know, that's right. I mean, the fact that she, the fact that she She's pumped out four kids. Just put the work in.

Yes. It looks great. And, you know, and again, just hammer this home. When someone's done as well as she's done and where she's at, there is that temptation as soon as you start feeling better to like get after her. And it's like, I mean, I remember Katrina. Katrina went into having Max in the best shape of her life. And when she came out, she was so stubborn.

I was trying to get her to run a map starter. She's like, I want to. And I'm like, you don't need anything else yet. You progress faster. Yes. And she was so antsy to get out of it because she was feeling good. I'm like, it doesn't matter that you're feeling good. You don't need anymore.

Your body will respond from this. And so let's reap the benefits of this while we can. They'll come a time down the road when you plateau from this and then we'll ramp up intensity. So, yeah, stay the course. I got to say this, too, Greek food is bodybuilder food. Yeah, it's like the closest to how a bodybuilder would be. That's good. Our next caller is Morgan from Idaho.

Hi, Morgan. Any of him, Morgan. Hey, how are you? Good. How are you doing? Good, good. Um, thanks for taking my question here. Um, so my question for you guys is kind of two parts. Um, one if you, if you've got any advice for kind of how to structure nutrition for children. Um, and then the other part of my question is, um, being parents yourself, you kind of know, sometimes you plan to, to cook food for your kids and they just don't want to eat it. So, um, kind of for me, uh, you know, some of my, fallbacks are really heavily dairy-based, so cheese, cottage, cheese, yogurt, I guess if you guys

have any advice for, you know, other ways to make sure that my child's eating well. That's great. Full-fat dairy is a great nutrient-dense food for children. Yeah. It's really good. So you're doing good with that. Eggs, meat, these are all very nutrient-dense foods that have a lot of the stuff that they need for a growing brain.

So you're doing great there. As far as like cooking or making a meal for your kid that they don't want to eat, I mean, a couple strategies with that. One, is this what we're eating? And if you're not hungry, you're not hungry, what you don't want to do, and you're young, so maybe your generation experienced this, but mine did, where it was like, you better eat all your food. And what it did is it promoted this dysfunctional eating pattern and all of us where we eat

everything all the time. But the truth is we live in a modern Western society. and it's not like when my grandparents in Sicily where it's like you got to eat all this because I don't know if we're going to get another meal soon. So you have to eat this all because otherwise you're going to be malnourished. So when they don't want to eat,

it's like, okay, that's fine. One thing that my wife does is she has an area that the kids can reach that have what we call anytime foods. And these are foods that they like, but that we also are okay with. So it typically has like blueberries, raspberries, apples. It's got some nuts in there.

the kids like it and if they're ever hungry and they want to eat it gives them a little freedom and those are called anytime foods so it's like oh you're hungry go go in the anytime food fridge and grab whatever you want and that's i think pretty much it i think one of the challenges the things that we tend to do sometimes as parents would put so much pressure especially for fitness fanatic so much pressure around food that you end up causing uh more problems than than solving them so just just that's what we do at my house mine was just what we had to eat we all ate together i this is a tough one for me because i haven't had a lot of challenges with max eating and i don't know if that's just because i got lucky with a kid or was it

really to do to the consistency that katrina and i when we sat down and ate we all ate the same even when he was really really little it was just we chopped it up really really small or smashed up the potatoes to where he did but it was like we all ate the same thing every single day and that was what was to eat and so and but what i was what i did do that i i think a lot of our parents' generation did wrong with Sal's point. It's like, if my son wasn't hungry, he didn't have to eat the whole plate. He didn't have to finish. He's like, he's done.

He's done. And then he'll be hungry again. And then there'll be that. I'll put that in the refrigerator, put in his little cup thing. And then if he's hungry again, I bring it back out, we warm it up. And then we have that. I mean, that's what we eat. That's what we all eat together.

I find my friends that have a lot of options or eat out a lot. And then the kids get opportunities to try McDonald's or try the fast. Then all of a sudden they go, oh, my God, I want French fries. every night or I want pizza every night because so Max didn't have any of that we didn't introduce any of those foods to him at a young age at all and so he only had what we had and when he was hungry he would eat so I'm sometimes not the best person to talk to with this advice because I didn't struggle with this as much what happens with this too Morgan is uh sometimes as parents we think but they have to eat right now so then what we do is we will make the nuggets or the food that

we know that they like because we're afraid that they're not going to eat but the odds that kids going to starve is like not it doesn't exist kids don't starve uh there's all this anxiety around it but yeah they're going to be hungry and they're going to eat yeah it's it's the thing is and my youngest was really you know our toughest with this and we had to just discipline ourselves to uh know that you know he's going to come around like right now he's kind of you know being stubborn and and just doesn't want to eat uh but later on he'd get hungry and he just eat inevitably. And so we, so to Sal's kind of

point with that too, like what we did was we had it so it's like almost like buffed style a lot of times where they could just pick their own foods and put it on their plate just to give them you know a choice. And I think you know, giving them a choice and helping in that direction

that was somewhat of a win for us. And then the other one, I mean my wife did a really good job of incorporating and blending in a lot of greens and things like in you know these type of waffle blends where she'd use like you know better flower options for that and you know in ways of incorporating protein uh you know in in smoothies and blends this kind of thing and so she got real creative and there's books out there for all that kind of stuff so if you feel like you know you want to get creative with that that helps

but uh yeah i think you know you just do your best because it's it's a battle and and you know like at the end of the day, they're going to be fine. They're going to be hungry and they're going to eat. Yeah. The thing that you want to consider is what are the modern challenges with children, which are different than they were historically? And so what's most important with a child, there's two things. One is that you give them a little bit of autonomy.

So that means you give them choices. Now you approve of the choices, but you also want them to feel like they have a little bit of autonomy. You want them to, when they say they're not hungry, to not eat. and when they're hungry, okay, here's your choices you could choose from. Because what you're trying to develop is a good relationship with food because that's what's going to serve your child in America. In America, in a modern society, a good relationship with food is what's going to keep him healthy.

Not that he has to eat everything or eat when we're supposed to eat. That actually can serve in the wrong direction. As far as like macro splits and stuff like that, I think we get a little too. I don't even worry about that. No. Even though I say Max is this great eater, I'm also not measuring his grams. I don't care.

Like you eat, here's the things we eat. Here's the portion of meat. I'm not really weighing it, tracking it, wondering what his mat. As long as he's every meal, we're getting a little bit of protein, a little bit of carb.

And then like one way to like with develop, helping them develop their palate is what you would do. So what my wife does is she puts a plate forward with different options, kind of like what Justin said. And she'll put like one or two things that she knows they like. one thing that maybe they'll eat that we want them to eat and then we'll put a new food on there

and we'll give them the option and oftentimes they don't touch the new food but sometimes they'll taste it and what she'll do is she'll introduce like sometimes she'll put like sugar-free ultra dark chocolate why? Because it's going to introduce bitterness to their palate

or she'll put an olive or like broccoli or asparagus kind of these stronger flavors and then little by little what you see, you know, so they'll taste a little bit of it, and then they'll start to develop more of a palate. But it's really about these kind of choices. And when this was hard for me, man, because I was raised where, like, we put a, like, if my kids don't eat, there's this internal freak out that I have. They're not eating enough. We got to feed them. You know, let me make something else. I know they'll eat this. And my wife was really helpful with this. She's like, they're not

going to starve. You're going to be okay. So it's like, you know, if you, oh, you're not hungry. Okay. You don't have to eat. And then when they're hungry, elite it's not a big deal yeah cool i think that's my question thank you yeah you got it thank you so much have a good day yeah this was this was uh man i was raised so different oh completely oh my god it was i had to eat it the next morning you know and then put it in the refrigerator uh if i didn't finish my plate dude oh just begrudgingly eating it we used to have meals with like our families all the cousins would get together their aunts and uncles.

And my grandma would literally, I swear to God, she did this. She would come out, love her to wonderful woman, but she was raised totally different time. She had a timer. She'd set the timer. That's crazy.

And she'd say, let's see who eats their plate first. They'll get a dollar. It's crazy. What are you doing, bro? The whole family didn't turn obese from that. We have a lot of obesity of my family.

Or belemic, you know. There are people in my family that struggle with obesity. Thankfully, we ate like whole natural foods because everybody was home cooked. Yeah, yeah. But let me tell you, bro, in my family, a lot of us struggle with overeating because it's like, you put it in front of me, I feel like if I leave it, it's a sin.

So I didn't ask, I see she put up there, like some of the pouches and things like that. I wonder sometimes, too, like I always feel like what ends up happening is people introduce foods that these kids end up loving so much. Then that becomes the only thing that they want to eat. And keeping it bland and plain for as long as you can serves you something. So, like, we, we blended up the sweet potatoes. Instead of using the, the Gerber, sugar, fucking infused stuff that they have that the kids love, we blended the sweet potato. We blended his meat up, like, when he was really, really little. So he was so used to this bland taste that he didn't have these, like, sensors going off.

One thing, too, I'll add with the blended food, we stay away from pouches because, you know, again, thank God my wife looked into this. Your child's jaw and teeth develop from chewing. chew and so when you're blending food all the time they're actually not developing a good strong broad jaw that fits their teeth that does all this because you're giving them this blend well that was part of uh max's speech was delayed because we blended too much too long yeah it affects it's exactly katrina was so worried about him choking that was like even when he was ready to be chewing we were still making it too easy for him and that delayed his speech and so that i mean so obviously it was not perfect with the food at all but when it comes to like the cravings and the stuff that

I feel like I feel like a lot of people introduce these process treats and things. And then the kids' brains go, oh, I want that. That's all I want now. And this bland steak, chicken and sweet potato tastes it. But, you know, I think if you delay that for as long as you can, they don't know that doesn't taste good. And it is so hard to fight these. I still find myself. Like, I'll get called out all the time because my kids, well, I'm not hungry.

They'll leave the table. And then I'll finish eating. And then, you know, what I do. I take their plate. And I follow them around where they're playing. and I'd put the fork in front of their mouth while they're playing so they mindlessly will take a bite. You should call that drive-by fruity.

And my wife is like, what are you doing? Why are you doing that? Like, eating all the food. It's like, so what? What are you telling? Oh, God, I can't stop doing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Our next caller is Sean from Iowa.

What's up, Sean? What's up, Sean, dude? Hey, guys, I've actually written a script because I've been nervous to actually talk to you guys because I'd listen to you guys every single day. I idolize you guys. Not sure if you guys remember me, but I'm the guy that asked about the bacon.

SOTA, the bigger pumps, and the bigger dumps. Wow, I like the visuals. So I'll kind of read my script. That way I don't ramble on. So good morning. Thank you for having me on the show. I found you guys through searching for fitness podcasts. And I started listening to you guys and you guys start talking like dad talk,

which was awesome because I found out I was going to be a dad in 2023. three um and that kind of led to my fitness journey um and how much i listen to you guys my wife actually gets annoyed now when i make my daughter's puree i'm like i'm gonna grab the earth candy and uh carry up uh some strawberries for um she gets annoyed with it so anyways um my my daughter's 10 months old she sleeps throughout the night she's perfect um you know and i want to be a good example for her which is why i've really gotten back into weightlifting I did orange theory. I think I may have overtrained a little bit with that.

So I just started lifting weights. I was always into it. So my story kind of is my parents both passed away young. My dad was 43 and my mom was 51. I'm 37 and now that I'm kind of getting closer to those ages, I don't want my daughter to lose me at a young age. And I hear you guys talk about longevity with weightlifting. and all that stuff.

But anyways, after my mom passed away, I buried myself in work, kind of stopped lifting weights, and I did orange dairy. Now that I'm lifting weights, I feel better. Adam, your YouTube series inspired me. Your playlist was fire, so I tried to create the same playlist. I changed my diet and approach. Now I'm doing a whole body workout three days a week. I walk between 15,000 steps and 20,000 steps daily.

I saw you did a Dexas scan. I didn't know what that was, so I looked into it. And I did one on July 7th. So my question, I was kind of disappointed with my Dexa scan. I went to cut fat and build muscle at the same time. And according, I did in-body scans, which is kind of why I was disappointed at the Dexa. My first in-body scan was in December 2024. I weighed 196 pounds.

My body fat was 20%. skeletal muscle was 90.6. In June, my weight was 188, body fat was 15.4, and then my skeletal muscle was 91.9. When I did my Dexa on July 7th, my body weight was 186 pounds. My body fat was 21.8%. My lean muscle mass was 147 pounds. So it was a little confused because my waist went down from January of 2025 and 36. seven inches down to about 32 inches.

So then I got into my own head and I started asking chat GPT questions and chat GPT is super nice. I'll never let you jump off the ledge. So what I did was I did a reverse diet, kind of just listening to you guys and doing a little bit of research. I may not have done it correctly, but I cut from 3,000 down to 2,000 for just a couple of weeks, mainly just cutting carbs out. And then I slowly each week introduce 100 calories of carbs back into my diet.

For some reason, my body seems to operate better with low carbs. I don't know why because I was seeing strength still coming through. So currently my maintenance is roughly about 3,400. I do track my calories through Fat Secret. Again, thanks Adam. My body, you know, operated better with carbs or without carbs. And I never have a problem hitting my protein targets. I do it through mainly whole foods.

I mean, I will kind of cheat a little bit and have Greek yogurt with weight protein or my ninja creamy with weight protein. So I'm just like kind of confused. I don't think I look like I'm 21% body fat. I do want to look ripped, you know, for my daughter, just so any boy born between the years of 2021 and 2025 fear me later on in the future. So I don't know what I should do next I've never had a problem losing weight It was gaining like weight Now it's kind of like reverse since I'm a little bit older

Yeah yeah Let me let me address a few things First of all you look really good bro You're doing great Thank you okay so let's start with that We're looking at your before and after right now And you already look like a dad that can kick most dad's ass Already so you're on the right path if that's your main goal

Mistake number one you don't ever want to compare an in-body to a Dexas scam. Of all body fat testing, the most important thing about all of it is to use the same thing consistently if you're going to judge it. So you just kind of let go of that because I bet if you did the Dexcan, when you actually did the In-Body scan, it was probably 7-8% higher and you actually did probably really good. So that's first and foremost, don't cross those over. So don't fear that.

if you lost weight and when you leaned out what might have happened which is really common and I think I even shared this in my series if you watched all of it I had one of my tests

come back that I wasn't really happy with because I lost some muscle I cut too much and that's not what my body wanted to do it still needed to be fed calories and it still wanted to build and so even though the scale went down a little bit

I lost almost as much body fat as I did muscle and so it didn't give me the body fat percentage change that I wanted And so that's really common when people do that. When people go into these cuts, they cut too aggressively, and then they do, their waist comes down.

The scale goes down a little bit, but they also lose muscle. And so then the body fat percentage doesn't show up the way they'd want to show up. And so I would tell you, caution you of those things. And then I'd also tell you probably not to trip on it too much, dude. It's very obvious from your pictures that you're overall, you're doing good. Yeah, and I don't think you're at 21%. Your picture looks like 15, 16 at the most. Yeah.

Yeah, so that's weird that it measured you at 21%. Now, let me ask you this. Are you stronger now than you were before? Are you getting stronger? Oh, yeah, every workout. I mean, I'm trying to do a 400-pound deadlift raw, and I did 355 on my deadlift, and before I was only doing about 285 for reps.

If you lost weight and got stronger, you didn't lose muscle. Yeah. The odds are you didn't. odds are you gain muscle and strength is about as objective as it gets there's more the weight is consistent body fat tests are interesting they're really fascinating to me sometimes like i i would no way think you're a 21% by that picture you look a good 15 16% you're in a healthy body fat percentage you look great you really do so and and if you're you said you're eating 3,400 calories right now yep good amount of calories you're good bro you got you got a great

and at this point it's literally keep feeding yourself the way you've already learned something to about the way your body responds at carbohydrates you do better on a lower carb so manage more of a lower carb diet keep focusing on getting strong i wouldn't really try and cut or really try and bulk i'd kind of hover around there and really focus on getting strong and over time you'll get leaner and stronger and a better gauge actually is to take the most recent picture don't look at it don't worry about nothing for the next month or two and then take another one and then put those suckers side by side same lighting same time of day same everything and then and then and then look at that and tell me if you're happy.

And then I don't give a shit what in-body or DeXA says if you look at those two comparisons and you're like, hell yeah, I'm definitely changing and I'm happy with the way I'm changing. You're on the right path. I think you're in a good place. 3,400 calories, where you're out already. I mean, you're in a solid place. You don't need to do anything. Keep getting strong.

And just so you know, we used to call 15, 16%, which is what do you look like? That's the athletic body fat percentage. So six-pack shredded 9%. That's not really athletic. Although you see athletes at the pro level. Right. But that's a completely, it's a different animal. Right.

15, 16 percent, great body fat. I mean, where I feel the best personally is hovering right around 13 to 16, that range. Like 13 is what I consider my lower lean and I'm a little bit leaner, but I still feel good. Even as high as 16, I still, like, that's the range that my body likes to be. I feel good. I still look like I work out. I don't look like bodybuilder at him, you know, but it's okay. You feel better?

Yeah, the best version of me does. doesn't walk around like bodybuilder out of him. It walks around 13 to 16 percent. And you also have nice flexibility with diet, meaning I can still have a nice burger and fries every now and then. And to me, that's a way better life and maintaining that. And you will be able to kick most dad's asses looking the way you are. And strength is the metric.

If your strength's going up, you're doing good. Okay. Awesome. Yeah. No, I mean, I'm going to do a Dexter here in about 10 weeks anyways. just because I know I was the first one and I just want to see how I'm progressing but yeah I'm going to take your guys' advice

and make sure make sure Sean you replicate what the day the morning and stuff look at the you want the diet and water intake to look almost identical so I don't know if you remembered what time a day you took the Dexas scan last time and what you had consumed food or water wise ideally first thing in the morning when you wake up because that's the easiest to be consistent with

but that's another thing that, okay, comparing DeXA to Embody already makes it huge drastic difference. And then also water intake and food intake and carbon take leading into those things will different because what happens is you fill up those muscles with water and carbohydrates, glycogen, and then it's going to read as more lean mass or less. And if you went in more loaded on, say, the first test, it's going to think you had more pounds of muscle and you didn't really lose any. You just, they weren't filled out. And so they weren't weighing more on the scale. So you get those things all matter. And that's where. people get fucked up in their head when they read these and they know they feel like they're doing

good but then they read like you lost four pounds of muscle but all it was is you were depleted you didn't you weren't drink you weren't eating as much carbs it didn't have as much water as you did the on the first test and so that can throw it off too so go into it knowing that okay yeah no I was just like am I getting fat dad strong like this doesn't make any sense I'm getting strong I'm losing weight but like 21% 32 inch waist is not fat dad strong you're fine you're doing good bro you're doing good okay awesome um can i do a quick shout out to two buddies i got on to you guys yeah yeah do uh afrm yoder from pittsburgh and miles muley from uh long island new york um they're big into you guys and and uh justin they're big into your one-liners yeah he's always a few

and so i'll compliment you too i love your your knowledge on supplements um i always appreciate it and uh you know you guys never steer me the wrong way with what you guys talk about so i do appreciate you guys. Thanks, man. Appreciate it, brother. Thank you, Sean. Yep. Thank you.

That's body fat percentage, like those machines, I got to go do one. It's really weird. He doesn't look 21. No way. No, no, he's teens. I know at 20%. He's definitely teens, whether he's 15, 16, but he's a teen. He's not 20.

He's in the mid teens. You can, I mean, try to explain this to people. You can really manipulate those things. They are great tools, though, if you know how to use them. And if you're following the trends. Yes. You look at the trend. You, exactly.

That's all I care about. The number doesn't matter. to me. It's like, I, but I'm, I'm very meticulous about how I go into it. I'm like, I, I think about what I ate the night before the, the whole day leading up. You're trying to control all the control. Exactly. So that it is as accurate as I can make it. But if you don't, if you just kind of go willy-nilly and the time of day is different, the amount of water and carbs. I mean, you could throw those things off five, seven pounds. And five to seven pounds of muscle on or off your body makes a big difference on body fevers, especially the leaner you get. And so easily can skew those

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