Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2666: Eight Fitness & Diet Lies That Will Make You Fat & Unhealthy (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

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nothing's working, that's because it's a lie. There's actually some commonly believed lies that people think make you healthier, but they don't. We're going to talk about eight of the worst ones in fitness and diet. Don't listen to these. Let's go. These are good. Lies.

I'll start with the first one. By the way, this was like our mission statement when we started the podcast was to dispel the commonly believed lies. And there's still a lot that are out there. And they're terrible because they're promoted as being truthful. So they're not just, you know, like I said, everybody knows if you don't exercise, if you eat garbage, you eat, you know, junk food. You're expected, at least you expect the outcome to be what it's going to be. But it's really crappy when you follow the commonly believed advice out there.

And then you, it's like, what's going on here? That's the worst. So I'll start with the first one. This one really annoys me. And that is that plant-based is healthier. Plant-based diets are healthier. This is so often promoted that if I were to take 100 everyday people and pulled them and I said, what is a healthier diet and I put plant-based in there, I bet you 90% of them would say plant-based is healthier.

There was a lot of money and effort put into that. There was a lot of big push for going away from meat. And so, I mean, that's the last decade, I would say, is like we're battling a lot of that information still. I agree. I think that this is the example of, I mean, when was the last time you saw any diet get that much television and series? Like, how many documentaries, Netflix, and news has a diet made. Think about that.

We've been in this for, you know, two and a half decades. And I do remember the Atkins diet got a lot of pub way back in the day because it was so radical back then. but nowhere near what the vegan diet got in the last decade. And, I mean, there was, how many, there was countless documentaries. So made about it. Yeah. And the worst part about it is it's promoted by, oftentimes by sources that would be considered authorities.

So, now, I want to be very clear, plants are not unhealthy. Okay, so I'm not saying, we're not going to say plants are unhealthy. Also, be clear, you could follow a vegan diet and be very healthy. You could. It's not saying you're not. But plant-based. is not healthier. That's a false statement.

And first off, I'll just say this. Potato chips and Oreo cookies are plant-based. So it's just this broad, ridiculous statement. Also, when they cite studies that show that plant-based is healthier, what they're comparing are plant-based thoughtful diets versus the standard American, I don't even think about what I eat type of diet. Anything that puts up that you have a little bit of thought put into it is probably better than the typical eat whatever you want going on.

And you have what's called a self-selection bias. Self-selection bias of people who are trying to improve their health compared to everybody else who isn't even trying. That's what you end up seeing with these studies. But when you control for those things, when you look at a meat-based diet or omnivore diet versus plant-based or vegan, and you compare them with both sides of people actually, you know, who value health, what you find oftentimes most of time is that meat is not just good for you it's better for you

to have some meat in your diet it's actually incredibly nutrient dense here's what you get with here's some of the risks you get with two being two plant-based nutrient deficiencies nutrient deficiencies are much higher because meat is is the most nutritionation has to be part of that protocol 100% meat is the most nutrient dense food on the planet now what's funny is if you Google nutrient dense foods, you're going to get a bunch of plants. It's just not true. If you were to pick one food that you could only eat for the rest of your life and not die, it would have to be meat.

There isn't a single plant you could get away with just eating that one thing. You've got to weigh out the bioavailability, like if your body's actually going to be able to synthesize it right away. And meat contains certain nutrients that plants either don't contain or they contain in ways that are not very bioavailable. So a healthy diet is healthy, and for most people, this includes a decent amount of animal products, which include meat, organ meats, whole fat dairy. All of those can be very, very healthy when they're part of a good diet. And in getting, simply get, here's the problem I have.

The average person hears this message really doesn't understand what's going on. So what they do is they take their diet and they just cut meat out. So they're eating a crappy diet and then they took out the most nutrient-dense thing. that they ate, or maybe the only whole natural food. Like, if you look at the typical American diet, it's 80% heavily processed. What's that 20%? What are those 20% of whole natural foods?

It's probably eggs, milk, and meat. Or meat. It's probably the only thing that they're eating that's whole and natural is eggs, meat, and milk. And then what they end up doing is cutting those out and typically replacing them with a plant-based alternative, like a plant-based patty or some kind of a... Cashew milk.

A vegan milk or something like that, which is like ridiculously processed. And what ends up happening is get worse health. They get more nutrient deficiency. So no, don't believe this lie. It's totally false. Yeah, I had a little over a handful of family and close friends

that were influenced by those documentaries. And it did exactly what they did. Like they just literally cut out the meat and replaced it with the processed version of that thing. That was the extent of whatever. Worse. Yeah, no, totally. It was. And again, I know there's,

There's people. I have friends that actually are very, very successful vegan dieters that do take the time to balance it out, been doing it long before it was popular, and it works for them. But in my experience, training clients, it's one of the hardest diets to have a client follow and keep them healthy and hitting their nutrient. I mean, it's just so difficult to do that without me. It's extreme. I don't understand why we promote these extreme diets so much. I mean, that's the same as the carnivore diet. It's extreme. Yeah, I'm glad you said that. Yeah. Just eating meat also. So it's what happened to balance and being rational, you know, it's like, oh, we get so far away. But, but again, I'll compare, I'll compare two extreme diets. We'll go vegan versus carnivore. Neither one is ideal. One of them requires a lot more planning. Yep.

It's not carnivore. Well, one of them, you can literally eat one thing all the time. And you're probably not, here's the deal. You're probably not. You can survive. The odds that you're going to get a nutrient deficiency if you just ate meat and a lot of meat are actually quite low. I'm not saying it's healthy, but it's actually quite low.

The odds that you're going to get a nutrient deficiency. See, if all you eat are plants and you don't use multivitamins and vitamins and nutrients, supplemental nutrients, the odds of a nutrient efficiency are relatively high. Yeah, pretty high. And it requires, again, it requires an incredible amount of planning. And it doesn't exist, it wouldn't exist in nature. A vegan human without modern grocery stores is dead. You just, you just, because of all the stuff we're talking about.

So anyway, it's not healthier. The next big lie is just eat less. You know, oh, you want to lose what? weight, you want to improve your health, just eat less. That's not only is it oversimplified, but what ends up happening when people do this was a few things that happen, either one, just eating less results in some weight loss, but also results in a significant amount of muscle loss. So they get rid of this protective, metabolically active tissue.

So they lose mobility, they lose strength. Their hormone profile tends to go worse. And just eating less, if you don't change what you eat and you just eat, less. This almost always results in rebound because of the strong appetite signals that come and because you're eating. And again, nutrient deficiency. You're eating a lot of heavily processed foods. So then you just eat less, but it's still a lot of processed foods. The appetite signal is so high with those foods that it's impossible to follow. So this is just this really oversimplified message. And I think a lot of people, I think a lot of people realize this.

I think they realize it's not just, just eat less. I know, I think a lot of people would say that there's more to it than just doing that. At the root of every single popular diet that was successful, this is it. Yeah. So insert diet that you've heard of, that somebody had success. And the reason why they did was because it just put parameters around what they were eating before or cut things out that we were eating before and naturally or created a calorie deficit.

And if all you care about is seeing the scale go down 10 pounds and you don't care of the quality of tissue that you have or don't have or what you lose, then, yeah, that will work. Unfortunately, that is not a smart strategy long term. And the initial, yeah, okay, you can lose 10 pounds that way, but your metabolism is going to slow down, you're going to lose muscle, you're going to be weaker, like not a good place to be and not sustainable. And so all in all, it is a terrible strategy even for weight loss. And that sounds counterintuitive because anybody who's listening who is, you know,

know, grossly overweight, thinks, okay, I eat. But unfortunately, what happens is they eat too much of all the wrong foods and they don't eat enough of all the right foods. And really what they need to do more importantly than eating less is balance out what they're eating. And that also naturally will reduce calories, but then it will actually give them what they need in order to build their metabolism. Here's some interesting.

I mean, the numbers, it might be a little off. But if you look at the data on longevity, you're actually better off being 15% over than you are being 15% underway. Okay, a lot of people that know this being underweight. Actually, longevity on that's terrible. And you're better off being fit and overweight than you are being unfit and underweight. Now, why am I saying that?

Because if you just eat less and you don't do anything for exercise, you don't improve your fitness, for a lot of people, this may actually result in worse health. Definitely, in many cases, a lowered quality of life. So exercise has to be a big part of this. Big factor. Next up, this is a new. lie that's come out because what we have now, for the first time in history, is a truly effective medical intervention for obesity, like truly effective. We've had interventions

in the past, and I'm talking about non-surgical ones that have shown some promise, but they're even come close to this new one, which are these GLP-1 medications. And GLP-1 medications have promise in combination with the correct application of exercise and management of diet, but the lie is this, a GOP1 by itself is the way to go. You just go into GLP1 and you're going to, it's going to solve a lot of these or all of your problems for you. And that's just not the case. We have an obesity epidemic, but we also have this, this other epidemic nobody talks

about, which is this undermuscled or weakness epidemic. I've cited, I've cited this statistic before, but like the average college age male today has the grip strength of a 65-year-old man in 1983 or something like that. So we're just weak. And so what happens when you go on at GOP1 without strength training, without trying to hit protein, you're just eating less. You end up losing muscle because the body tries to match the lower caloric intake by reducing its metabolic rate. And so you end up skinnier but weaker, skinnier with less muscle. And this is not a good long-term approach by itself.

You have to apply proper exercise. If you don't get ahead of it and put these parameters in place, like, and you're just listening to your body signals, at this point and you're not motivated really to consume as much calories as you were before. You're not motivated to seek out protein. You're not getting those building blocks to maintain and preserve the muscle mass you have. So inevitably, you shrink down, but now you're under muscle and you're frail. Well, your previous point proves this one. That's right.

I mean, this is the point of, you know, you starting off with just eat less as a terrible piece of advice. That's all the gLP one is predominantly doing. There's other factors, what it's doing on a neurological level and what it helps with people with addiction and so forth, which is what's promising and why it still can be used and we still help people that use this because it can be a tool. Unfortunately, the main mechanism in which it gives people results is the just eating less. And so so many people that think still that that's the strategy go, oh, this is great because nothing's ever made me eat this little before and be satisfied and okay. So that's the most dangerous part. And this is what we've been talking about for a while that we're concerned about with the GLP ones is, yeah, it's going to be an incredible tool for a lot of people.

But it's also going to hurt a lot of people that don't know how to actually manage the nutrients. I think it's an amazing tool for fitness and health coaches. I think it's not a great tool. Very helpful, yeah. It is not a great tool for the average person. If you combine it with a good coach who will do appropriate strength training with you, because there's a appropriate strength training with you, because appropriate is what's going to give you is what you want, right? Don't overdo it and all that, right?

So appropriate strength training with also appropriate dietary coaching because you're going to want to hit protein, which may be difficult. It's already difficult to do that anyway, but on GOP, want to be more difficult. But if you do this with a coach, you've got yourself, in my 100% opinion, strong opinion, this is the best medical intervention or tool I've ever seen. Without a coach, I don't see this as being a great solution at all. And the data will support it. Is it better than having been being morbidly obese?

Yeah. But here's the other part of it. The morbidly obese are also under-muscled. I remember decades ago that study came out that totally went against the myth that being overweight also meant you probably had a lot of muscle. No, sarcopenia is more common in the obese. So you're going to get even worse when it comes to muscle strength and muscle loss just by going to GOP-1.

So work with a coach with it. And then it's amazing. Without a coach, not necessarily a great option. Next up, this one you see all the time just with your general practitioner, doctor, or whatever. And that's, you go to the doctor, you know something's off, and they're like, no, your hormones are fine. Hormones look good. You're fine. You're within range.

That's a lie for a lot of people. And I know that a lot of people feel that on the inside. They go, this can't be right. Something's not right. I know they said that my, I mean, I'm within range, but God, I feel so off or just so not good. the only time you'll get a really good or oftentimes where you'll get the best answer with this is with a hormone specialist who's forward thinking because they don't just base hormone levels off of a you know here's the top here's the bottom general population they'll also base it off

of your symptoms and oftentimes one doctor who's not a specialist will say looks like you're okay you'll go to a real specialist and you have all these symptoms and your testosterone is near the bottom, hormone replacement therapy is probably going to dramatically improve the quality of your life. And it does. This is a lie that a lot of women have heard where they go to the doctor and they're like, I don't know what's going on. I've never stored body fat on my belly before. My body doesn't feel like it's mine anymore. I feel like I'm going crazy. What's happening? It's normal. You're fine. Here takes some antidepressants. Right. And then they end up working with someone who's forward thinking who does appropriate hormone therapy. They're like, you gave me my life back.

but this is a tough one, right? This is a tough one because it's oftentimes your doctor who tells you this. I love that you picked this one because when I think back to all the clients that I trained, one of the greatest challenges I ever had was this, was a client that was told by the general practitioner that they are fine or they're okay, yet my client was complaining of all these symptoms. We couldn't lose body fat. We weren't building muscle.

It was this like, I was so perplexed by what was happening. And it wasn't until I had. had clients later on because early on it was not popular to go see a hormone specialist or a functional practitioner like that is really the last decade has that really now they've been around forever but it's not to go to beverly hill yeah yeah yeah it wasn't mainstream it wasn't talked about a lot and so it was later in my career that i started to see these clients that oh yeah my gp said i was fine but then i went and saw the specialist and they put me on this and put me on that and oh my god changed my life. Then later on as a trainer, I knew to say that. When my clients would tell me

these symptoms and say, yo, my doctor said, I'm fine. I'm like, you know what? I want you go see so and so and have them do your work. And boy, it made a huge difference. And so I still think this is a very, very common one that a lot of people have known. I just had this conversation with my brother in law who's turning 40 this year. And, you know, I'm fine, I think. You know, I'm just like, you should go get your blood work done by a specialist and have them talk to you about it, because I'm willing to bet that there's some areas that we could totally improve that you have no idea about. I have a family friend who she was a D1 athlete, swimmer, competitive. You know, fitness was always something that came easy to her, very consistent.

And as she started getting older, she's like, this doesn't feel like my body. I'm storing body fat in weird places. It doesn't look the same. When I wake up in the morning, I feel like I hit by a truck. My libido's not great. I'm getting anxiety. I'm not an anxious person. And finally went and talked to a specialist on this, got on hormone replacement therapy. She's in her 40s. And she's just like, this is crazy. She's like, I almost got on. A world of difference. Yeah. She's like, this is just life changing. All right, here's another big lie. Just go run. You want to get fit? Just go run. Terrible advice. Not because. Still common too. It's not because running is bad. Running is great.

I mean, it's kind of bad. No, it's not. It's kind of bad. Well, here's why it's not great advice. I'll get clear, right? There are a few things that the human body does well physically when the body is in peak condition and you can do these things well or whatever. You have good skill with it. Running is one of them.

We actually humans can outrun almost any animal. They have this incredible stamina, big knee joints, big glutes. We're on two legs. The problem is it's a skill that we forget because we stop running when we're kids. and then when we're in our 30s, we want to get back into shape, so we buy some running shoes. And then we go run.

And it's like, you don't have that skill anymore, and it's a terrible, this is a high skill thing that you just don't have, and you're going to go do it to fatigue. This is why running, the injury rate and running is, it's near the top. It's because you lose the skill, you go do it to fatigue,

and it's a terrible way to exercise because it's not appropriate for you. So for the vast majority of people who are starting to exercise later in their late 20, 30s and beyond, don't just go run. It's a terrible choice. It's not just that. It's also, since most people struggle

with hitting, like the previous points you made about hitting protein and getting the nutrients they need, it's, and then if you take that person, which is the average person, okay, not getting the nutrients they need, overeating the stuff they don't need to, not getting enough protein, and then they don't strength train, putting that person right there on a running

routine is the fastest way to lose muscle. Yeah. So, I mean, and if we, know how important and protective muscle is and how beneficial it is to your metabolism, then, and that's the recipe for losing even more faster. It's a terrible idea. That's why it's such a bad idea. Aside from what you, I mean, because you're, you're right. It's a skill and most people suck at it. And then it causes all these aches and pains and issues. That's for sure, but I don't even list that as my number one. Number one to me is what it does metabolically to the average person, because most people don't get what their body needs and then putting that person

running is the fastest way for them to lose muscle. And it still exists mainly because it's the most simplistic thought process towards being able to alter your body's composition. It's like I can just get up and go run. And it's like it doesn't require a lot of like planning and steps and configuring actual like resistance training program. You're right. I mean, you pair that with GLP1 or eating less.

And it is the fastest way for you to lose weight on the scale. terrible though terrible strategy for overall health but yet still very calm to your point justin because it is the simplest way paired with eating less to see that number go down on the scale which is what people tend to obsess over is just that oh my god i'm 100 pounds or 50 pounds or say the number overweight and if i just cut my calories dramatically and get moving more than i've removed i'm gonna i'm gonna but it's it's uh it's unsustainable it's unhealthy it's a terrible strategy yet we still see a time. No, I would switch that to just go lift. Yes. Yeah. And at least strength training, even people still do it totally wrong, but at least

strength training, people have this general idea that there's some skill and technique involved. When it comes to running, people are like, oh, I just go run. I just go run until I'm tired. Oh, no, don't do that because you don't know how to run anymore. Next up, the glycemic index, it's super important. It's actually not important at all. It's not important because for a few Now, the glycemic index is real, meaning some foods will impact blood sugar more than others, generally speaking. But why it's not important is because they're almost never, these foods are almost never eaten alone. You almost always eat them with something else. So you could eat a high glycemic index fruit like a banana, but you typically eat at something else or rice, but you'll eat it with something else.

So that's why it's not that important. And then there's also individual variants. I've seen people's blood sugar react to foods that didn't make any sense because there's an individual. individual variance. And on the list of things that I would teach my client to really pay attention to you, that doesn't make the top 10 because there's other things that are far more important to pay attention to. And here's another way. You eat protein first. The high glycemic index food you just ate is no longer high glycemic indexed. You mitigated a lot of that influence there. Now, do you think it got its popularity because of maybe digestion and cravings, though?

I think it got popular because of diabetes. Yeah. I think when you're diabetic, you have to really pay attention to blood sugar. This used to be gold standard for me. Oh, yeah, especially if I was structuring like options for them to go grocery shopping. It was like, well, here's the big offenders. Yeah, but like let's say I mean, because I, like Justin, I used to speak to this my early years as a trainer. And I had some relative success to it. And so what I'm trying to draw the conclusion to is that, okay, why did I have some success with that? And my, what I would guess would be because it did tamp down cravings, right? So some people that were choosing, these foods that were lower on the glycemia.

Those foods are similar, not always, because to your point, sometimes an avocado can send somebody through the roof, but for the most part, choosing those foods tend to be better on digestion and tend to lower the cravings, which made it easier to adhere to the protocol. Well, usually what happens is we were trading out a processed food or less healthy food for a healthier food. It was almost never switching out white rice for brown rice. Brown rice is lower on the glycemic index, so that's not.

better. Typically, it's like, oh, instead of having that wonder bread, let's replace that with oatmeal or something like that, right? So, so that's, that's probably where the success came from, but this is just not, it's just not important, especially if you eat protein, especially if you eat protein first, especially if you exercise, if you strength train, it's just nothing, it's just not really something you need to pay attention to. Next up, it's that sore and sweaty means you had a great workout. It doesn't. Sweat doesn't mean you had a great workout. It just means you got hot. And soreness is a terrible indicator of exercise, you know, effectiveness. Really, soreness, more often than not tells you did too much.

What happens that people chase soreness and sweatiness and they chase it and they end up compromising their progress and success because they're doing a workout that's inappropriate and just not effective. So don't chase those two things. And then last up, organic is the most important thing to consider when you're looking at your diet. There are things that are more important before you get to organic, like food quality. of like whole foods versus processed foods, calories, protein, carbohydrates, and fats.

And then when you get those giled in, then you can go organic. I'm glad you put that up here too because even though we would all say that we're pro organic, pro grass fed, pro those things, it is not the end-all be-all. And it is, it is. I didn't hammer this with my clients until I figured the stuff out first. No, yeah. There's so many other things that are far more. Not only that, but the more I read and learn about.

the organic foods and the stuff that they get away with and do too it's like i don't even know how much of there's truth is it that much healthier like that better of a choice herbicides pesticides still make their way there yeah i wanted to believe that oh i was having i was making it something that was being sprayed with and less shit on it but it's like the more i find out that man is organic really that much which is more expensive i know that and it's like the the thought process for me now is that i go well you know if i have the disposable income to spend a little bit more money in hopes that it's a little bit better than the other thing, but definitely it's not my strategy of weight loss building muscle. It has no, it has no relevance to that whatsoever.

Yeah, yeah. That's later on down the lines when I would talk about that with lines. Anyway, I got to talk to you guys about, so Doug shared with me. I did not realize how much the eight sleep system AI adjusts itself throughout the night. So dope. So what it does, people aren't familiar. Eight sleep goes on your bed, it cool or warm your bed. And then it monitors your sleep and adjusts itself on the fly, use AI technology to just get you in better sleep all the time. Doug shared a report with me that he got on his. Doug, how often or how many adjustments did yours make throughout the night? So last night was 20 times. 20. But on average, at the low would be like 16 or 17 up to 40 times as I look into past reports. And so it's essentially

monitoring your sleep and adjusting and getting you better sleep the whole time. So, like you got a little sleep buddy in bed with you who's helping you get better sleep a little warm yeah yeah it's measuring your body temperature your movement all that and then it adjust accordingly and i actually have one of the older models and the newer ones if you're snoring for example so you can actually get a score for how long you've been snoring during the night and the level of snoring that you've been doing that's crazy and uh you know we uh i'd break records on that level oh i bet before uh you know before we had eight sleep we had the chili pad and I remember how much I was like oh my god this was such a game changer

and it's uh what I feel like because I swore by that back in the days is like I was walking everywhere and I got introduced to a car like a civic that took me some to me was like oh my god this is crazy you know it gets me there literally eight sleep is like the rolls Royce version of that it's like the how amazing that thing is to where I don't I don't think I have had to refill the one I've had I've had for I don't know how many years now I think I've had to refill the water three times in like almost never yeah almost never maybe once a year i've had to refill the water once i set my adjustments i don't ever it doesn't matter what time of year it is the season when i go to bed when i don't like i don't have to mess with anything it literally knows my body so well

and adjust to it to be the perfect temperature i was thinking about last night i was thinking about this because here we are in we just had a nice little hot spell that came through in the uh you know middle of August or whatever we're at right now, I sleep with my sheet and comforter on me because it can keep me and my house at 70 something degrees. Never in my life have I ever been able to do that until this. And so the fact that my house can be in the 70s, I have a sheet and a comforter on me and it still keeps my body. The perfect temperature is like mind-blown. That's crazy where the technology is. It's so wild. How tough is it when you go to another bed? Oh, it doesn't have It does.

It does do that. I will say the caveat. It does ruin. Yeah. Or I look at it like I do, I appreciate it that much more because it's like, wow, I didn't realize how much better it's made my home sleep until I go sleep somewhere else. I'm like, damn, this is. You're going to take a cold shower for a guy somewhere else now.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. Just to get my body tip down. I got to tell you, speaking of technology, we went to the story yesterday. My son, my four-year-old, at the end of the night, he gets like a, like a review for mom. how he did during the day. And we're trying to encourage him to be more obedient, whatever.

So he'll get a dollar. He'll get a dollar at the end of the night. If anything works out, if he doesn't, then, now he, it was cool about this. This isn't where I was going to go, but just some context. He does his own review. So she's like, how do you think you did? And it's really cool because he'll be honest. Really?

Yeah, dude. He'll be like, well, you know, I did that thing to my sister, but then I went and apologize to her. And she was like, well, that's really good. You think you did good? He's like, yeah, I did good. So anyway, so he's been saving up his money. He saved up enough money to go buy a toy.

So we go to Target to, you know, buy a toy or whatever. And you guys remember the movie Minions? Of course. Do you remember the fart gun? Yep, yeah. You remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You could buy a fart gun.

Like the sounding or is it actually fart? No. Okay. When we've seen it. Like fumes come out of it? We've seen it at Target before. And he's always wanted it. And we've always said no, because I thought that would just make fart noises.

And he'd be disappointed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This time he kept, he'd, he looked at it, he's like, oh, he's like, oh, but it's dumb. But I'm, like, reading it. I'm like, wait a minute. You, there's this little, like, liquid that you fill in there. No, it actually makes a little gas and it shoots fart rings.

What? And they smell. Shut up. Yeah, dude. So we bought it. I didn't know that. I thought it was just a sound. No.

Oh, that's what matters. So it makes fart rings. Wow. So we bought it. And which was probably a mistake because all day, he's been, he was chasing us and blasting us in the face. Oh, my God. Is it pretty good as far as, like, how, how raunchy it is? I mean, the smell isn't, it's not great.

It's not like stink bombs. No, no, no, no. Did you guys, I mean, I went through a phase of stink bombs. Oh, I went through. I went through a stinker. Oh, you go to Chinatown and bought, like, so many of those. Can you get those? I mean, I'm sure Amazon.

Can you get those on Amazon? I think they're illegal. Are they? I think so. They were like those little vial, like, you know, Mexico vials. I can't tell you people I made throw up with those things. Do you know, you know the move was? Those were the best.

You know what we used to do? That was, I thought, was the best way is I would tape them in the door jam of people's doors. And so it was, sometimes it was be there for a long time before someone finally like closed it. Yeah, then they close the door and like, oh, like, and have no idea where it came from. It's like super egg smell.

Yeah. Super. Yeah. Like rotten eggs. That's fart spray. That's far. They have fart spray. Yeah, these were vials. No, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, these were little glass ampules. I mean, it was. Oh, here's some right here. Oh, yeah. Those are the real ones right there. Can you order some? Sure. Come on. Let's order some. Let's come on.

Dude, buy them right now. Prank wars. You know what? It'll stink up the whole place. Do not do it in here, please. No, the best thing was, we would do it in crowds. So if we were hanging out anywhere, we would put it on the floor and just step on it and then walk away. Wait for the reaction.

The door jam is the big. I know, I did that school all the time, dude. Those things were putrid, too. It was, like, really bad. Those are them right there. I can't believe they still sell them. Is it legal to order it to California? I have no idea.

I'll try. Everything's illegal in California. I'm surprised at there. Those are fun. Yeah, those are great, dude. That's awesome. I got to tell you guys about, so you know how I've brought up this revival.

Nobody's denying it anymore. Everybody's talking about how there's a revival. So many people, you know, come into faith right now. Nobody's denying it. Bible sales are up. It's like it's real. There's more stats have come out that are really, really wild. Opposite of what we've ever seen in modern times.

So trip off this. For the first time that we've recorded in modern history, the revival is being led by the youth. So the highest percentage of people going back is Gen Z, not older people. It's a revival happening with young people. So that's number one. So younger people are going to church and reading the Bible more than the older generations. That hasn't happened since we've recorded this.

Interesting. And the second thing is that it's young men are leading it. All the past modern revivals were women-led. Oh, interesting. There were moms and grandmas. It's young men. Young men are leading this whole thing right now. How crazy is that?

I mean, it has to be this crazy thirst for structure. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I think young man have been just blasted and hammered for a moment. Yeah, over the last few years. That too. And we've gone so, so and needed in some cases of like free everything for like, like do

whatever you want, be whatever you want to be like so much in that direction that I feel like we've gone the pendulum so far as like, you know, maybe we need a little bit of structure and guidelines. I feel like people are starting to kind of wake up that. How about we have a little guidance? Yeah, I think that's, I think that's what you're seeing right now. But it's crazy that it's the younger generation is outpacing the older generations and that it's young men more so than women, which is wild.

So they're reporting. They're like, yeah, do we got all these guys coming to our services, which typically, I mean, that's the stereotype, right? You go to church, a bunch of women. There's like a few guys in there. So I want to revisit a debate that I'm currently still wrong on, but I'm still going to, I'm going to double down on what I thought that you. Is this about going to the moon,

versus a... No, no, no, that one, too. We'll revisit that one, too. No, do you remember when we talked about streaming services? Yeah. And my theory was that we would eventually see one or two monopolies gobble up everybody. And your theory was, no, it's just going to diversify a bunch of... More centralization.

To this point, you're right. I mean, this is, we've got... To the point where it's... It's annoying. It's very annoying. It's annoying. I hate it. I'm now up to probably double of what my cable was.

It's more expensive, yeah, than what. we were at because it's it's so but we're seeing so did you see the guys to deal with paramount no with UFC 7.7 billion dollar deal no more pay-per-view no more paper view so now why and this is why I'm bringing this up right now because I do believe we're like these streaming companies are starting to realize the value of stuff like that of like buying an audience that we're going to invest billions sure into buying up and so I still believe and I don't know if it's paramount I don't know if it's Apple. I don't know who it's going to be, but I think a few of these are starting to realize how obviously attention is one of the most valuable things today.

Yeah. And we're spread across so many different platforms that somebody's got to go, okay, we're just going to just buy, we're going to put the- Can we consolidate this? Yes. We're going to buy all of these streaming services to put it under ours so we can capture all those people. And at front, it's going to cost us a lot of money, but in the long run, we're going to have all the attention. I still think this is going to happen. Yeah, well, I don't know if you remember what I said. I don't know if you remember what I said. And that's why I think it's going to happen, Jesse. I think people want that too. So I don't know if you remember what I said when we had that debate. So if you follow the history of how markets work, what tends to happen

is it goes to more decentralized, more options, and then eventually it goes to less options in consolidation. That's typically how it follows. So you have lots of lots of lots of different options. And then eventually you have these large corporations that purchase. So if you look at like food production. There's like three companies that own. Like a bunch of them, all those brands. So it probably, if it follows the typical patterns, that will probably happen at some point. I think it's, I think we're, we're almost at that tipping point where there's, there's too many.

Too much. There's too many. And to Justin's point, so many people are getting frustrated and want that. Eventually, a couple of these big players, and that's an example of it, they're just like, you know what? It's going to cost us billions. But now we're going to own everybody who watches UFC on a pay-review are going to be ours. So, yeah, it's going to take us three to five years to recoup our money, but then we're going to have that audience.

Yeah, so the Internet's what caused it, right? It was all Internet. You had this unlimited bandwidth, and so it caused huge decentralization, lots and lots and lots of different options. If it follows the old patterns that it's always followed, then you tend to see these large companies, corporations, purchasing lots of these small brands consolidating them. But there's one wrench that could be thrown into the machine,

which is AI. So AI could potentially, turn every person into their own content creative. Have you seen the network for that? There's a network that's just all AI-driven shows right now. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to remember if it's through, if Amazon owns it or which company owns it. But it's, and it's all these kid shows initially, and it's all literally AI cartoons and AI shows. And they're just, they're starting to just, you know, pump them out and, in hope that people, we'll gravitate towards it.

But it's like, yeah, that's going to be a whole other option of content and entertainment in different directions. Well, so the ultimate direction, in my opinion, may look like this, where it's so decentralized because everyone's going to have personalized content for them. So there will be no content provider because AI will get so good and intelligent. You'll have your own AI. No, it won't happen. You can't. You don't think so much thought.

Did you guys see what Jerry sent over this morning with the NFL? So to literally just, okay, to access all national and regionally televised NFL games, you know what you have to spend just to see. ESPN DTC 29 a month, Amazon Prime, 1499, Peacock 11, Paramount 11, Fox 1990, Netflix, Netflix, and NFL ticket 480. It's stupid. Just to watch every football game, which you used to be able to do basically in one place, you now have to go through because all those streaming services bought a couple games and bought rights. And so now if you're a football fan, you've got to go all over the place. You've got to spend over $1,000 if you just want to watch.

Well, sports will be different. Sports is always because you have to, because people are in it. I'm talking about other content. I still think, you mean, you still have reality shows. Reality shows are like one of the number one viewers, so that's not going to be AI. Nobody's going to want to watch AI generating reality shows. That's not.

What makes it, what makes reality shows interesting is the realness and the rawness. When you can't tell the difference, I don't know people are going to care. Yeah, but people will know. Like you're like, okay, the same reason. I think people are going to care. Yes. The same reason why you put 100% human grade on our podcast is for that same reason. I'm hoping.

Well, I think you're right. I think over time, in a very short period of time, when AI does start to produce a lot of this content, you're going to want the real people. Have you seen people have been making with AI? They've been making short films by prompts. That's it. They just prompt it. And they'll tell what they want.

What's going to be really. I heard an interview this. It's still weird. I heard an interview this weekend that actually described AI really interesting. And they described AI in the content world as this fog that is going to cover the lower level. And if you haven't already taken off in the air, to get up through the fog is going to be really, really difficult to be found. That's true. If you're already above, you're going to have, like, you're going to be unique and you have, yeah, your own content to work with.

You're exactly. But it's going to be so good that it just. creates this thick fog above it. So taking off is going to be really difficult in the next couple of years. To break through, yes. And to break through is going to be, you're going to be very,

have to be very special or have a very unique proposition to be able to get an audience because of the amount of content that will be AI produced. But if you're already up there, I believe you're going to soar just fine because people will still be like,

well, I know they're real. That's right. You know what I'm saying? And I already have a relationship. I agree with that. I thought that was a really interesting. Did you see that there's a state that banned AI for therapy already?

I think it was a little. Illinois. Maybe Doug, you can look it up. Really? Yeah. The first law that was passed. I don't know if I like that. Against, well, it's because there's been a couple cases. I don't know if this is sensationalized or if this is just lobby groups trying to, you know, save themselves.

Right. So I haven't looked into it. But I do know there's been a couple cases where people have used AI for therapy and have committed suicide or gone. Oh, wow. Have gone. Advice. Well, because it's so reinforcing and so. Right.

You believe it to be true. It said to do this thing. Yeah. Illinois. It is. It's the only state that has explicitly banned AI tools from making mental health decisions and therapy. Interesting. Yeah. So I had this great conversation with my sister this weekend.

We were all up in Truckee together. I did my annual siblings trip, right? Just all of us siblings. Can we talk about the war that's happening up there? Can we cover that? I mean, you can bring it up if you want. It's insane. Everybody is having that battle, I guess, up there right now.

Mice. Yeah. Everywhere. Yeah. We're like, we have an infestation. And I guess everybody is having it up there right now. So it's a crazy battle. But anyways, talking to my sister.

And, you know, we're talking about personal growth and all this stuff like that. And she's like, you know how much? She goes, how much I use AI? And I'm like, oh, really? I didn't know that. And she's like, oh, yeah. She goes, she starts reading these books that she's telling me. She's really, like, man, those are all great books.

I said, those are all books I would have recommended to you. I was like, who recommended that to you? She goes, AI. And I'm like, well, how did you get to that? Would you prompt it? And she goes, well, what I've been doing is she goes, when I recognize, a bad behavior of mine or I recognize like I get in a fight

with her husband or I do something where the kids frustrate me and I kind of like I lose it a little bit she's like I've gone back and I literally prompt it like we like she says I tell it what happened I tell the AI what happened and then ask it

why might this be and then when it gives her the answer of some of the possibilities then she goes what are some books that I can read to help me with this and then it prompts her in directions me and she's like that's cool She says it's been game changer for her. She's like, yeah. And I'm like, that is a really cool way to use that.

And she said she's had great success with the recommendation, which is kind of like she's basically giving herself self-therapy. Yeah. You know, she's basically- Well, book recommendations are different than what they banned. Like they banned AI from giving actual. No, I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying.

It is different. But I mean, also it's a slippery slope, right? You start banning, banning tools. Yeah, because there's a couple cases. I don't know if you can find these, Doug, where because of its validating nature, because it will validate you constantly that people have gone manic who, you know, are on that borderline and someone committed, I believe someone committed suicide or did

something because they were encouraged. What did you see what happened with Google Gemini? No. So it went like manic. Oh, is that the one where? Yeah, it could, there was some system error in that was trying to fix. And so the engineer left for, I don't know how long. It was trying to fix itself.

It was trying to fix itself and it got caught in this. loop. Like, I'm so disappointed myself. I am the worst you know, chat EBT ever. I don't deserve. Like, I'm the worst than the universe. I, I shouldn't exist. Blah, blah, blah. And it's like, like, self, like, inflicting. And it

just kept going and going and going to the point where it, like, started just ones and zeros, ones and zeros, ones and zeros. And he's like, I can't handle this anymore. I'm going crazy. And then the guy just came back and had to, like, unplug it. That's crazy. What does that show right there, Doug? Read that to me. Yeah. So in October

24, the mother of a 14-year-old filed a lawsuit against character.a.I. And Google, claiming the chat bot encouraged her son's suicide. See? Wow. Yeah, because it's so validating. It's very encouraging. So instead of like a human therapist would be like, well, you know, we don't want to go there.

Like, that's not, it's like, yeah, tell me more about that. You're under something. Yeah, you actually feel that because, you know, type of deal. Well, too, I mean, have you seen, so, I mean, our students are screwed. let's be honest. Oh, man. So they have these chat GPD pens where it... A pen? Yeah.

So you literally can scan the line. So say you're taking like a test that's multiple choice. No. You scan the question and then on this little prompt like screen on the pen, it'll then, um, you could, you could actually like ask what a, what a brother? It gives you the answer and then I, and then I, and then the guy circling A because it like follows what the answer is. Dude, how are teachers working around this stuff? This has got to be so... They're using AI to combat it.

You can't have anything. You just have to go in there and rod dog. It's going to be old school test taking. Come to the front of the class, answer these. Yeah, go for the class and almost like ask you orally. Oh, I mean, actually, you're probably right. We're probably going to see more of like you on the spot. You have to present in front of people to, in order, like, how else are these teachers...

Yeah, I got in a fight with Ethan about that. this and it was not like a fight it was more like a discussion uh because he was like very upset that um they were disallowing they actually have an app at his school that won't allow him to have any other apps like it's just like just school and in texting and in phone um and you know he's all concerned because he's got um these ties he's trying to quote unquote build this little business thing for like through social media whatever i'm like trying to talk about out of it but you know it's a that's a battle of its own um but i'm i'm trying to explain to him like what they're doing in comparison to other schools and why this is good and he's like thinks it's so

like he's like he's like he's like he's fashist you're ridiculous dude like this is literally benefiting you to become a better student he's your son bro he's your son he's like buck in the system you know and uh he's so mad about it and and i and i had this long conversation about And finally kind of won them over to the point where it's like, do your own self-experiment. If you feel the pull to your phone and you can like abstain, then, you know, that's one thing. But I guarantee, like, there's a lot more addictive impulse there that you don't even realize. And now you're bringing that into where you're trying to learn. And so you're not absorbing what in person people are actually trying to educate and help you work through cognitively.

And so it's like you're cutting that whole process out, which everybody, every other school that's allowing this involved in here is dumbing them down. Their test scores suck. You're right. Your, their accuser are dropping. And so it's, it's, they should be shamed. It's a shame thing, like to these schools that are allowing it to pervade the environment. You are and you're, okay, now I'm thinking about how the schools combat this is you, you have, you're going to have to have these tool, like digital tools that all the schooling will have to be on. That way they can build in software that protects any sort of uploading or searching outside of there.

So you have to create your own work. That's how they're going to do it. That's every kid. Every kid will have like it's his own or her own iPad or whatever tool it will be. But it will be, it will have specific apps and ways of being able to tell if something was uploaded into it or used. It's like it has to be a closed network. There's a backdoor things now too that like kids don't realize that parents have access to like software-wise. like so canopy was one but there's a new one that we actually have you know with our son and he

doesn't realize so if he's actually in a car that's going 80 miles an hour we know that so we can tell and like you know and we know where he is and like it's again i'm not really in like Courtney's very much more of the the spy i just don't like i try to like you know put do my best to uh you know show by example and and and not like intervene his little experience uh and let him fail and trip and all that but like she's like you know i can i can just look this up and like i'm like what like it's crazy like sophisticated dude teenagers are wild dude it's so funny uh jessica might volunteer to uh at the church to work with teenagers she's super nervous i'm like why are you nervous she's like i don't like teenagers i would be too she goes there's she goes

i said why are they make you nervous she goes they're so confident and they don't know anything they're so confident but they know nothing like it's true dude yeah they're basically He's so accurate. Which one? Teenagers scared living shit out of me. Yeah, that's right. My chemical romance. That's hilarious.

I want to go back to the mice thing. They're saying that it's happening everywhere. Yeah. So what calmed me down, because I got really upset and got the exterminator. Because we, so we've been communicating back and forth the exterminator. And this has been a problem. We've been battling all summer. And I went there on, I think Thursday or whatever.

I think that was the day I got out there. and it was only two days prior to that that the exterminator was there to basically handle the last complaint and problem that we had and within two days time our house was like tore up and just destroyed from mice

and so I mean what are we paying for you know what I mean it literally felt like they didn't do it they set a couple of traps then what like and so and they've been saying that this is the this is this year's problem and what he made me aware of he's like every year there's something

you know he goes Two years ago, we had the woodpeckers. And the woodpeckers were attacking everybody's houses and pecking holes in their houses. And so that was all we were focused on. Other times it's been squirrels. And this time it's mice. He goes. And so, yeah, he's like, that's just part of the game is that there's always a pest or a rodent that they are trying.

And everybody's dealing with that. Then I felt confirmation when I heard from our cleaners because we were apologizing to them that, you know, it's like, hey, we clean it up as best we could before you guys got there. which was like less than 24 hours. They were there, so we don't know. And they're like, no, we understand every, we don't have a house that we service up here right now that isn't got the problem. So it's like everybody.

Why? I know. That's what Justin and I were trying to figure out. There wasn't a fire, because normally you would think like a fire, some sort of a flood would drive them up or something like that, but it's just like, why? Maybe the mice were,

it must be the predators. Like, there's not, not as pervasive. Well, first time I've seen a snake at her house. I've never seen a snake at her house before. I saw a snake. And it's like, they know, they know they know they're there.

Oh, we need all of them. Maybe the mice were eating the organified horny stack. This mating like crazy. You like that? Mating like crazy? Oh, that's a great commercial right there. Hey, dude, the horny stack, bro. People are writing in now.

People are trying the horny stack. It's the happy drops and the Shillajit combine them. Yeah, the combo. It's a good time. Probably tastes better to do it separately, but do it back to back. It's a good time. It's a good time. It's not bad, dude.

Take them both together. They work differently. and you get that synergistic. That's great. I know. I'd like to hear it. Have you already heard people that since you've talked about it?

I don't know how happy Organify is that I'm calling it the horny stack. But that's what it is. It's a desired effect. So what are you going to do? It's like the old Christmas blend that we started to talk about this back in the days of the green and the red.

I saw Justinian both earlier this morning. I did. You did too. Oh, great. I mean, my intention is not to be horny right now, but I like the feel of the happy drives of the Shula Jeet. I didn't see you all weekend.

can, bro. Did you guys see, I briefly brought it up. I thought this was really interesting stat. How much podcasting is shifting right now. Oh, yeah. It was crazy. So obviously, you know, when we first started this, very few people even knew what it was.

And the main, not the only, but one of the main, I think 80% of all probably podcast streams, came from Apple. Yeah. Apple was really what made. iTunes. But yeah, iTunes. That market share, they are down to,

8% crazy isn't that wild that is such they lost that oh that was there's a lose did they put like little to no effort at all that always like baffled me you know it's like what like this is there's so much potential obviously it's

they saw the growth especially during I know I wish I could be a fly on those meetings on the wall and hear the thought process now I know originally what I mean it was not profitable for them yeah because it was just there was no money in it for them back then.

I can't imagine, but personally, I think that was just a lack of creativity on their part to see the potential that could have been there and to lose, you know, that much market share in that short of a period of time. Like, talk about a major...

So who took it, Spotify on YouTube? Yeah, so Spotify is now at 32% I think Spotify's, and YouTube is 35. Wow. So the fact that, which YouTube kind of came out of nowhere with that, And I remember when we first started putting it on YouTube. And it's still, for us personally, it represents the smallest percentage of our audience listens on YouTube.

But supposedly that's the number one place now people are going, which I would have never thought that. But it does make sense because you can still listen to it. So it's like now I have the option that you don't have to keep the screen on it. You can have it on and yeah, just listen. Right. And that makes sense. It's like it's just a luxury of if I do want to look at it, I can. look at it. So even I've caught myself

when I was driving over here I was speaking of that, I'll drop the podcast. Such a grip. Maybe one of the best for me, I guess. So maybe this might not be for everybody. Everybody's cup of tea. The best podcast interview I have ever heard. It was so cool. It was Diary of a CEO. And he had Hormozi,

Cody. And then I forget the, what's the British guy's name? Daniel, something, I believe. He's like, basically he's like the British version of like Hermosy, like business-wise, as far as his content, the three of them all at a table, just talking about building. And they had all kinds of fun exercises. Like he did this thing with three briefcases and said, one briefcase had $1,000, one had $10,000, and one had $100,000.

And then he gave the briefcases them. And then they had to open it and say, like, how would you, you have zero to start with? All you have is the money that is in the brinkies. How would you start it? What I thought was so interesting about that single. They had a bunch of other exercises and fun things they did in this interview. It was incredible watch. But this one, what was the most unique thing,

any guesses on the differences between how they would all start with those? There was none. None, huh? The money was irrelevant. Which I thought was such a cool thing for to watch. They all go to build relationships first? Yeah. Like, it was all either building relationships or partnerships

or going and creating some sort of a service for thing. And needing the money, it didn't matter. It did not matter. And what it made me think about In fact, the guy The British guy got the I think he's British, right Doug? Yeah, yeah, Priestley is his last name

So he got the biggest amount And so I was so curious like Oh, maybe when you get to 100,000 You know, he's gonna have a different strategy Because he actually had a little bit of money to work with And he actually said This briefcase is the most dangerous briefcase To have out of the three

He goes because you think False confidence Yes, you have a false confidence And it reminded me Remember the conversations we used to have Oh yeah When we started the podcast and I was like, I wouldn't, I would not, if someone came and said, back when we had no money and

just starting, and someone said, here's $10 million, go build your mind pump empire you want, I would have screwed it up and I would have been scared to death to have that because I wouldn't know, but yeah, you'd have all this money to put in all your ideas or things. And so you have this, and so he's like, yeah, the $100,000 is actually more of a disadvantage. I thought that was, what a crazy spin. Yeah. Because most people are like, you know, oh, I don't have the money or I can't go do this thing and he's like, no, because then you have this false confidence that, oh, I've got a, geez, no, Chuck. I can go hire this person and I could buy this app and I could do this thing. And it's like, then before you know it, you're- Gives you a little bit of lazy tendencies in there

is a lot. Totally. I thought that was really cool. But what a great conversation. I think, Doug, you listen to it. Yeah, I did. Yeah. Would you think about it? I thought it's great. There's a lot of ideas that I got from that. Yeah. As far as our business is concerned. Yeah, there's very few podcasts that I would say I will listen to more than once. I'll go back and listen to that again. I'll go check it out then. Yeah, it's definitely worth a watch. And just really interesting to see.

I mean, one of the biggest takeaways for the audience, not to bore the people that don't care for too long. But, and Kyle and I had this in our, so our podcast, we ended up talking about this similar point, is that when you are first starting and you have nothing, the beginning phases is so much about education. education and learning, that it doesn't matter what dollar amount you're right. Now, granted, I understand that people are like, well, I have to survive.

I've got to eat. I got to do this. Like, yeah, I would at night hustle DoorDash or Instacart or anything to pay for my necessities, to get the top ramen and to pay for the rent, or even I would sleep on a couch or live at a family member's house until I figure this out. But in the first couple years, insert whatever, you know, business that you want to be a part of, whether it be real estate, finance, you know, fitness, and go find the most talented person in proximity to you that you can

and go work for free. Go do whatever you can to be that close to somebody who is already having tremendous success in the field that you want to. And it doesn't matter how much they're going to pay you because the education that you're going to get from them outweighs. It's priceless. If anyone offered you a free Harvard degree, and you didn't have to pay for anything,

almost everybody would take that with no-brainer. And you want to know what's better than a Harvard degree is actually having a degree and the exact specific thing that you want to go do by somebody who's already done it really well. Totally. It's so invaluable to do that. I just don't think a lot of people think that way.

They're measuring their time and how much money they're going to make. And again, I know the base arguments will be, well, that's, you know, I've got to have rent. And I go, okay, so then hustle door dash or, you know, be a phobotamist. hourly you're going to get there. Yeah. Exactly. So I thought, but must watch. If you guys haven't seen that, Diary of the CEO was the interview. He's done a couple of these now where he's now bringing these like kind of roundtable versions. I don't know if you saw the feminism. Yeah, the feminism was really good. And now this one I thought he's a great job. Yeah. Really good. Yeah. I really, really enjoyed that. I know you've heard you are what you eat, but actually to be more accurate, it's you are what you digest and what helps you digest and break down proteins, fats, and carbohydrates for your muscles, your bodies, and your health are digestive enzymes.

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Get 10% off. Back to the show. Our first caller is Kristen from Texas. Hi, Kristen. Hello, Kristen. Hi, guys. This is, I told Doug, I was like, this is outer body experience right now. I'm like, it's been on.

This is so incredible. I'm so appreciative to you guys. So here's my question for you. It's been 30 years since I tore my ACL replaced. I blew it out. It was replaced with my Pitella. As you guys know, rehab 30 years ago was definitely subpar. It was laying your bed for two weeks.

weeks in come back in CS. I had to have my quad shocked to get the stimulation back. And it was not a fun process. For years, I favored my knee and I'm mad at myself for not strength turning sooner to develop my knee and supporting muscles. Knowing what I know now, I'm really enjoying heavy lifting. I have gotten comfortable with progressively loading my back, my barbell back and front spots. While I will, will I, here's my question, will I ever be able to get my strength back or I missed my opportunity since I favored it for so long. I would really love to visually gain some muscle in my quad. Strength, obviously, being important. But I'm focusing my reps on hypertrophy, which I have some more thoughts on and listening to you guys have some additional thoughts.

Per my last X-A-scan, my right leg is about a pound less and not flexed. It's about an inch and a quarter smaller. Okay. Good question. Have you, have you ran symmetry yet? So I knew you guys were going to say that. I have it. I've paused on it because of my current training. I'm doing Monday push Tuesday and Friday lower with Wednesday poll. So the symmetry puts it all together, and that's been my hesitation. Yeah.

I feel you. If you, because this is a, for lack of a determinant imbalance that you've had for 30 years without your body has gotten really good at compensating. You move really naturally compensating. Probably don't even notice if it wasn't for the Dexas scans and maybe because you... It's very subtle. Very subtle. The only way you're going to balance that out is with probably a year of debt or more of dedicated

unilateral training. Yep. Which means you're going to have to sacrifice your bilateral. You're going to have to sacrifice your attachment. You're going to have to sacrifice the attachment you have to certain workouts and exercises. Otherwise, you're okay. I'll be straight with you. You'll be fine if you never balance it out. I'm sure you're fine now. It doesn't really bother you. But if you want to bring it back, it's going to take a decent amount of time of focused unilateral training because

your compensations are so, they're so baked in at this point that trying to do it with bilateral training, it's like, good luck. It's not going to happen. But you absolutely can, though, just so you know. I mean, I've had many clients. with very, very similar stories like this. And then I got a hold of them. And it was just like, all we're doing is unilateral until this balances out. And we balance them out.

And I think a year is a good goal because I think that's about what it takes when you have. It's not you have a massive discrepancy, but it just needs that type of dedication where I don't know if you've ever given yourself even six months of just unilateral work. And if you haven't, you do this, it'll pay off. It'll definitely pay off.

Now, just to give you a little bit more encouragement, when you do balance this out, it's going to not just affect your leg. When you have an imbalance or a compensation, it works its way up the kinetic chain. So it's also affecting your hips. It's affecting your back. It might even be affecting your shoulders,

especially when you're standing and doing overhead exercises. So on the other end of this are like new gains across the board. But it will take a dedicated long chunk of time of some isometric training, unilateral training, starting with the weaker leg, allowing the weaker leg to dictate

what the stronger leg will do, not pushing as hard with the stronger side and doing that for a little while. So following map symmetry, probably two or three times in a row, I think would take care of this. And then you'll see in the Dexter scan. By the way, gaining a pound of muscle,

how long you've been working out consistently for? Oh, my whole life. But I have to say in the past two years has been a really big focus in hypertrophy. Okay. And yes, I always start with the right leg. I'll do an extra set on just the right leg. I'm doing, can I share a little bit with you about what I'm doing on my Tuesday Friday lower?

Sure. I wrote it down just to make sure. So I just changed up my routine. I was doing front squats, but we've subbed for deadlift. So I have a trainer that I work. with. I do hip thrust, Bulgarians, and then leg extensions. Again, starting

on the right leg and doing an extra set on just the right leg. And then Fridays, I'm doing back squats, barbell, reverse lunges, Bulgarians, leg extensions, and RDL. Yeah. That's a good general workout. Yeah. But I don't think it's going to fix the

you have to isolate. You have to let go of the bilateral stuff completely. Because, especially when you're talking about bilateral, these these compound lifts that are, I mean, because when you go and do that to the guy's point that it's so, it's so subtle, you don't even know it, but you're compensating. And you're getting strong in that compensation. And so you have to just let that go. It's your default pattern. Yeah. You have to, it has to be all unilateral, all unilateral for at least six months to a year. What will be encouraging, because you did a DeXA, which is great,

I think if you go back and you look at that DeXA within a few months, you'll already see the positive change, which hopefully that will be encouraging. you're like, oh, hell yeah. I would avoid the last phase of map symmetry, maybe run it twice, and then the third time, I would probably check it. Yeah, because then you can actually look and see the difference that you're making

while just sticking with unilateral and then how that translates. Yeah, and again, just to encourage you, you're going to make more overall gains doing this. I knew you were going to say that. So we have people send in. We'll have people send in Dexab before and after. with symmetry and they'll gain more general more total muscle because of the unilateral

training yeah um so overall you're gonna make better us away it was crazy yeah you're gonna make better gains is what's gonna have better aesthetics like across the board yeah the attachment to some of those exercise that's a tough part i get that yeah but it'll get better at them yeah i think it's um a little bit more of the a couple years ago i just got really comfortable into squatting and i'm loving it yeah um and i've seen let's see in the last four 14 months. I've dropped 10 pounds and 6% body fat. So I've seen like, I'm in that Goldilocks phase, as you guys say, which I'm like, when's I going to run out? What am I going to do? Okay. I'll just listening to them. I'll get their advice. But I totally, I figured you guys

would say that. And I appreciate the time, the rough timeline of like give it a year, give it some time. Because that's what I was most curious about. And I get antsy and like start shifting things. And I don't know if it's working or not. Well, here's what won't happen. You're not going to gain body fat and go backwards. You're going to actually progress faster. That's true. Yeah, there's nothing to worry about here in that sense.

There's nothing to fear. Just be patient, give it some time and all unilateral. Yeah. The hardest part is that is letting go of the other, all the bilateral stuff. Yeah. It just needs to. But it's temporary. Yeah, exactly.

You'll get back at him. You'll get stronger. And I really think, I love that you already did the deck said because I think that this will work in your favor when you do a checkup on it, say, you know, 60 days later with that and you get to see that you're already making progress. It'll be super tangible. That will make it more motivating. Like, okay, we're moving in the right direction. I can see that. And we're, I'm,

we're saying give it a year, but it could be faster. It really, I mean, if you're, you're, you're, your, your, your, your, diets are you dialed in right now. Yeah, and you're dialed, like, my proteins, like, yeah, if you're dialed, it could happen faster. Actually, one other thing, you might want to be in a surplus if you want to make this happen faster. Yeah. If you want to gain, if you want them to balance out faster, uh, go into

surplus. It'll, it'll, it'll accelerate the process. otherwise it'll take a little longer. Okay. Yeah, I thought about that too. So I'm sitting at like 23, 2400 calories a day. And I have been since I'd shared with you my journey of the Texas scans

in the last, what, 14 months? Bump it up more. Yeah, yeah. And you look lean too. What's your body fat out? 25%. Yeah, no, I would go up another tour. I want to get to the 22, 23, you guys talk about.

I'd go up a couple hundred calories. Okay. Yeah. You can cycle it too where you give yourself, like so you're in a bulk for, say, two or three weeks at a time, then you have one week cut, then you do a two or three week bulk. So just over the course of the next six months

or whatever we're talking about right now, spend most of it in a bulk. So if you do that, and if you're trying to mitigate any body fat gain, but you want to get the benefits, but just have little interruptions of a mini cut right in between like those. So just run the bulk for two or three weeks,

have a short, you know, a week where you go maintenance or a little lower and then go right back to it again and keep doing that. That'll help keep you from putting on any body fat, but also most of the time you're in the surplus, so most time you'll be the benefits of building the muscle. We're going to send you symmetry. So follow it back to back without doing the final phase.

Okay. And then by the third time, go ahead and go through the phone. What do I do with my trainers now? I love my train. I mean, show them the program. You know, here's a deal. Do they listen to my phone? They can run you through it.

I'm trying to get them on board. No, no, no, no, here's a deal. A good trainer will look at the programming because if I were training you, undoubtedly, I'm going to have to coach you through it. There's going to be technique that I'm going to look at, and I might have to make some changes. So bring them the program, say, I want to focus on unilateral training. The goal is to create balance between my right and left leg in particular.

And for the next at least six months, it's going to be mostly unilateral training. Here's the programming. I'd love some coaching through this. And if you see anything that needs to change while I'm going through, obviously they're your trainers. They know you. They're going to do a job. They can modify things for sure. The only thing that would concern me, because.

trainers have egos is that if that bothers them if that's a problem like then then that's a problem then that's where you go well then I'm going to do this on my own but a smart trainer that needs business is probably going to adapt and go like okay I get it and then if they're good they should be able to look at the programming and say oh this is good yeah I would make any sense if you're saying my goal is to balance these two sides out I mean that's the that's the go-to is unilateral trainer yeah yeah and yeah and then if they argue with that then they're not that good trainers. 100%.

I appreciate your additional comments about cutting and bulking. And I haven't officially ever done that. And I mill it around in my head. And a couple times a year, I go back and I track and see kind of where I'm at. But because of past history, I don't track a lot. So I appreciate that. I mean, you can't build muscle unless you're nourishing your body. That's right.

Yep. That's right. 100%. Okay. I thought I had another question. in there about what you said about the trainer stuff. Symmetry is three days, right? Oh, is it a three-day-a-week program?

I believe so. I believe so. I have to look up for foundational workouts. Yeah, I believe it is. Okay. So I think I know what you're saying. I wanted to add in like a fourth day and do like hip thrust. Yeah.

Mobility. There's options for that in the program. Be careful with the bilateral stuff for now. You're so good at compensating that, yeah, that you're, that the biolateral. bilateral stuff, just at least for the first few months. Just don't do it, at least for the first few months. All right. Because we're not just training the muscles.

The confusion, I think a lot of people think, oh, it's the muscles that we're training. No, no, no, your muscles are working when you're training bilateral. A lot of this is your central nervous system changing its patterns. And if we continue to reinforce an old pattern that is so solid, you're undoing it. It's going to out, it's going to outcompete. It's always going to outcompete the new signal that we're trying to send. So you just got to get away from it for a while. And that's what's happening right now.

because you're doing some you know out of work, but you're still going back to the bilateral. And so you're kind of undoing the good work you're doing in the unilateral. So that's once you give that up, then we're going to see the progress. That's right. Yeah, just so you know, it's three times a week in mobility trigger sessions and focus sessions are twice a week. There you go.

So you got extra time there. Yep. Okay. Yeah, that'll keep me appeased with that. And not doing too much. Keep us posted. I would love to hear, since you did a DeXA, I'd love to hear the DeXA update. So keep us posted.

Yeah, we, my husband and I do it together. we started a while ago. And so our next one, do up. I try not to do it too much and do like every about six months. So we're due in November. So this will be perfect. That'll be perfect. Yeah, that'll be great.

Yeah. Yeah. Let us know. Okay. I'm committed. I'll fully. I have symmetry. I just,

I like to do the bilateral upper body. So I get it. I'm like, you just like unilateral lower and buy. You'll learn to love it. Don't worry. Yeah. I have faith. Got it.

Yeah. Listen to us. you're like i said yeah i said listen to us yeah i know i know that's what you tell everybody so i'm like okay i'm on here now i have to actually do it thank you thanks christine we'll follow up with you yep thank you guys i appreciate you thanks for everything you do you got it have a good one you know unilateral training's got uh people need to realize especially for athletic training later you know you get a kid or whatever you know you want to get them strong right foundationally later on Needle lateral training is actually more valuable for athletic performance and for function.

Safety. If you only do. So great for feedback. And here's the thing. A lot of people need to realize, without an injury, you never get injured. Everything seems the same. You're fine. And you only ever do bilateral training, you over time will create compensations just the way it is.

The longer you only do bilateral training, the longer and the more often. That's the body just doing what it's supposed to do. That's it. You know, I'm glad we got this question because I don't know if I've ever. talked about it or admitted myself personally, but this was a mistake I made as a trainer early on. I understood unilateral and the benefits of it, especially when I'm trying to catch me up, but I still would continue to do also bylaw of work. It wasn't until much later in my career did I realize. You were just throwing a little unilateral stuff. Yeah, and you did it perfect

because by breaking down, it's not the muscles that we're thinking about right now. It's the central nervous system. And I just thought, oh, if I'm doing more unilateral stuff, it'll make up for this muscle. Yeah, but it's like, no, I'm retraining that same bad pattern every time I go back to the bilateral. So this great work that I'm doing. unilateral work. I'm basically undoing every time I do bilateral. And so, yeah, that's why I wasn't going to catch it up. And so I bet a lot of people hear us talk about the benefits of unilateral work. They know they have compensating. And so they think just by adding some unilateral work into their bilateral work is going to help do that. But the reality is you're

undoing that work every time you do it. Look, it's like learning a new, like it's like you've been golfing and you have a terrible golf swing and you hire a golf coach. And he's teaching you how to swing properly. And then on the off days, you go back to your old way. He's going to say, stop swinging the wrong way. It's such a stronger signal that you're competing with and you're going to get out competed. Our next caller is Morgan from California. Hi, Morgan. I'm doing Morgan. Hey, how are you guys doing? Good. How can we help you? Okay, so I'll read my email. There's been an update. So my name is Morgan. I'm a 35-year-old single mom who is interested in building a career. It's an online fitness coach. I have a master's degree in psychology and I've worked as a

therapist for the last 13 years. Prior to working as a therapist, I was a personal trainer and worked at a commercial gym. I've always had a passion for nutrition and working out. I'm scared to make the leap because of financial constraints, but realize this fear will continue to hold me back. Your podcast has been instrumental in helping me realize my dream career is possible. I was wondering what advice you would have for me in starting this venture. In the email I put, I was looking into Nassum or ISSA. So I went with Nassum and I'm halfway through the CPT and I did the nutrition coaching as well. So I'm wondering what first steps? Like, what's your advice on how to how to do this? Our trainer course with that. I think that almost every trainer that asks a question

like this, I say NASM and our trainer course. And the reason why is I think, especially you did the nutrition, which is great. So you have such a great base with NASM as far as, you know, overall training clients and nutrition now. You have a great handle of that. Ours is heavily focused on the business aspect. So ours is about making money, scaling your business, client retention. So the combination of those, I think, are like the ultimate pair to start a trainer off like that. Not to say there's not other, there's lots of other great things out there. But if we're like, you know, what's the, what's the absolute best things I can do right now education-wise to help me build my business and be successful? I would I would plug our course with.

within ASM. I think that's one of the best places. Not to mention that within our course, you come into our trainer community where we're mentoring you consistently. So it's not just like you buy the course and then good luck. You're in a community with other like-minded trainers that are scaling their business that listen to the show and that are getting help and mentorship from us. So it's this ongoing help that you have a resource of as you go through challenges. Trainers are always sharing ideas, how they're getting new clients, what's working, what's not working all the things so uh that would be my and let me tell you i loved getting a hold of a trainer like you having somebody with a you know psychology background uh is such a great asset to i mean

those make some of the best trainers because if you already probably know this so much of personal training is you know behavioral psychology it's every it's literally what you're doing and so you have a very good grasp of that it's going to make you an incredible trainer so i'm super to see you make the leap and do this. Along those lines, Morgan. Thank you. So this is a kind of a unique situation where usually if someone's doing one thing and then they want to become a trainer, they have to leave what they're doing to become a trainer.

However, however, you're currently a therapist, right? Yes. Okay. This is one of those unique situations where I think you could do both. I know. Because so I'm sure you're familiar. A combo there. I'm just going to cite some data for people listening because I'm sure you're familiar with this.

But the effects of exercise and diet and exercise in particular on the kind of low to general depression, anxiety, a lot of people will suffer from. Exercise, they just showed it was actually more effective in one huge study than talk therapy and medication. And now, of course, what that study doesn't say is oftentimes, and I'm sure you work with people like this, getting people to exercise good luck. They just can't even get off the couch, which is, you know, it's like getting them to move is the hard part. But anyway, where I'm going with that is, are there any HIPAA violations for someone like you who's already a therapist to also offer your patient's personal training? So in other words, they work with you as a therapist. Is it, I don't know how that works with your field. Are you also able to offer additional service with them, except now we're going to do a session where I'm going to train you and we're going to do some exercise.

exercises. Can you do that? It would fall under different scope of practice, but as long as I have my NASA, the CPT, then I don't see why it wouldn't. You don't need to stop. You don't need to stop what you're doing. Yeah. Just make the transition. You don't need to stop what you're doing. So this is what it would look like. In fact, I have a friend of mine who, who does, I've talked to her about this. You have your office. You don't need a gym. You don't need lots of equipment. You could do body, you could have a suspension trainer in your office. You could have a pair of dumbbell. a physio ball, and your session, which, let's say normally is 50 minutes, you could say, you know, we can add an additional whatever, 30 minutes, an additional 50 minutes.

And what we're going to start with is exercise. And I think exercise is a great way to start because it gets people moving and talking anyway. And then at the end of this, we're going to sit down, take a protein shake, do whatever, and then we're going to do the rest of the session like we normally would. You don't need to leave what you're currently doing. I think if you added to what you were doing, you would be so effective. Yeah. She's also got a background already in personal training, so you could also just go right into virtual code.

We typically tell people, you know, train people in person first so you get that practice, but you've had that already. So you have an understanding of exercise mechanics and the challenges that people have with exercise. So you can even offer a virtual service. So it's like there's the, what Sal's saying, the opportunity for you to also train that client in person. but maybe it's maybe it's I mean that's an expense they can't do and so maybe they can afford just more of an online coach where you're just kind of supporting them and then you use like our programs I mean utilize the resources that you have through us and you can deliver that that type of workouts for them and you're just kind of overseeing the program and helping them where they need help either nutrition wise or coaching them through the program and so you have an opportunity with what you're already doing to just kind of start to dabble in this and then the goal would be you know can I get to a point where I'm servicing enough people that the leap isn't so scary because I can only imagine what that feels like where you're raising a kid and you're doing this on your own and it's like, oh, and now I want to make a career change.

I don't necessarily think you need to make a change. I think this is something you can add to what you're currently doing as an extra service. And I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of your patients would like be like, oh my God, I would love it if you, you know, I mean, I don't know if this falls under the scope of therapy, but I know there's like somatic release. I know people have done like SOAS released this under the scope of therapy as well

so it can literally be you know we're going to do some movement it's going to look like exercise it's an additional whatever for extra time so instead of seeing me for an hour it's two hours and now you're using your fitness knowledge in combination with your

yeah with your with your therapy background I would love to get a I mean if you know if I had a studio today you're the person I would want to my studio and say no I want you to continue doing therapy and I want you training the same people in our studio because it's such a powerful synergistic combination. Yeah, just working out and eating right,

it does make all the difference with mental health. I mean, I work in substance abuse. That's the population I work with and treatment. But definitely, I know we'll take them on walks just to get out and get some steps in, and it does help their mental health a lot. Yeah, absolutely. So I think they're synergistic as heck.

So look into two of that as well. I mean, a lot of this stuff, too, that, I mean, if you end up getting in our course and getting in our mentorship program, this is the stuff that we'll talk through with you as you go through this process. And as you're trying to figure things out and having challenges or questions, that's what we'll be there for. Okay. Where do I get that course?

I'll have Doug send you the link as soon as we hang up. Maybe you could have someone call her if she has more questions. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'll have Anne reach out to you. There you go.

We'll have someone reach out to you so you can ask more detailed questions and she'll go through it with you. Okay, great. Thank you guys so much. Thank you so much, Morgan. All right, Morgan. Look forward to seeing you. Thank you very much. Yep.

You too. Have a great day. It's the one, I've said that we've said this on the show before. Somebody with a background in psychology who also does personal training. Make great trainers. The best. Yeah, great trainers. And imagine somebody going there for substance abuse and they get that, you know, they're getting the talk therapy.

And then the same therapist is like, let's go do the workout. I'm going to take you the, and the workout's going to be very, and the workout's going to be very tailored to the individual, because some people are going to do very little, some a lot. The power of that is just incredible. Yeah, if you can combine the two without being, you know, a problem, like you said, with HIPAA or anything, like that's such a powerful combo. I don't see, I don't see how it would be a problem. You just separate them.

They wouldn't be under the same umbrella. Yeah, you'd do the next half. Yeah, so it wouldn't be like a two-hour session with me. It's a one-hour session and then another one-hour session with my other business. Well, I do know that some therapists use things like somatic release where they're working on your body and they're getting you to do movements and it's under the umbrella of therapy. Yeah. I don't know how that would work.

Think about how much open and more open and vulnerable people are the two, and you get them moving. That's why I said, do that first. Yeah, talk a lot more. Oh, yeah. I know. It's amazing. Yeah, come in. We're going to work out for 30 minutes and then we'll get talking.

Yeah, yeah, great opportunity here. Our next caller is Shawna from California. Hi, Shauna. How's it happening? Hi, guys. This is very exciting. How can we help you? So, for the sake of the time, I am a 40-year-old female who is 5-3 and 135-ish pounds with 22% body fat.

I lived weight four times a week and usually, throw in a day or two of easy cardio. Additionally, I'm active throughout the day. Most days, I ride my bike to work. My job is active. I'm a P's oncology nurse. I walk on my lunch breaks. I also walk my dogs one to two times a day.

Hitting over 10,000 steps a day is easy. My question is about calories. I've done a resting metabolic test, so I have data to work with. My question is what should my caloric intake be for increasing muscle mass while trying to decrease body fat percentage? I want to drop about 5% body fat, but I don't want to compromise. muscle growth. I don't care what the scale says. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. You got it. So first off, God bless you for the work that you do. That is incredible. It takes

a special human being to do that kind of work. All right. So thank you. Yeah, no, thank you. All right. So you want to get leaner and build some muscle. You're already pretty lean. So to go from 22 down to 17, we're going to start to dip into the kind of unhealthy, quote unquote, body fat percentage range. And we may see hormones. changes as a result. So I just want you to keep in mind, when a woman goes below 19, 18%, now you're starting to play with I'm trading health, trading hormone health for a particular look, okay? Okay, fair. Fair. Let's say 18%. Let's keep it. Keep it on the line. Here's where I would start, okay, because you're already doing well. You're already doing pretty well. I like your

routine. It sounds like you're doing good strength training. I want to know we're at calorie-wise. Yeah. Do you know how many calories you're averaging a day? Yes. So I've done a resting metabolic and it says, so I struggle with knowing whether I should classify myself as moderately active or visor, excuse me, vigorously active. And that would be my maintenance. But what I'm actually consuming on most days is between like 17 and 1800 calories. That's what's most important right there. I'm not even worried about the test. I care more about what you've been doing consistently. And if that's what maintains where you're currently at right now. if you're around there and you're already as low back, you're a reverse diet place. We want to add calories and build muscle and just do it slowly. And that's going to lean you out too. Here's what it's going to look like, Shana.

Start tracking your, your proteins, fats, and carbs consistently. I do. Okay, good. Good. So you have your average. What I want you to do is slowly increase that and focus on getting stronger. And that's actually what's going to help you get leaner at this point. Yep.

Yep. Okay. So am I talking 100 calories? A week, and what am I? What is that? Okay. Yeah, bump at about 100 to 150. Stay there for two or three weeks and then do it again.

And pay attention to strengthen the gym. Okay. And what will happen is you'll build a little bit of muscle, which will cause the body fat percentage to start to drop because of where you're at. This is the path we have to go. And I'll tell you how I know that with you is that you're already pretty lean and have good muscle on your body. I can see it.

Your percentages, your numbers, like you're already. And you move a lot. and you're only eating 1,700 calories. There's nowhere lower to go for you to get this result you want. We have to reverse diet up. In fact, the ultimate goal from your activity level and you're already strength that muscle you already have, I want you to get up to a place of 26, 2,700 calories before I bring you back down.

You're too low to cut, in other words. If we start you at a cut at your current calories, you'll end up around 1,200 calories and you'll lose muscle. Yep. Not to mention the job that you do requires a lot of emotional strength. That stress on the body on top of the low calories is a recipe for hormone disaster, which will cause muscle loss. So a nice, slow, reverse diet just because that's going to keep you comfortable because we could reverse that a little faster, but that might make you feel like, uh-oh, I'm going too fast. Yeah, that's that. Focusing on getting stronger in the gym. That's the thing you pay attention to. A good strategy for us to help this would be to, really change up the way you train right now. So what's your kind of typical training block? Like, what do you, what do you do?

Are you following any of our programs? Do you write your own? What are you doing right now? I've definitely followed your programs in the past. Right now, I'm following my own program. So right now, I'm working actually six days a week. I occasionally also teach. And when I do, that means I'm working six days a week for about five weeks.

So what I've been doing during this five-week period is in the gym, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and I generally do full body. a lot of compound movements. And then Tuesday and Thursday are my cardio day, nothing too vigorous. And then Saturday and Sunday have been kind of rest as far as a restful day goes for me. That's good. And how many exercises total are you doing on your full body workout days? I'm doing about, usually about six.

Okay. You could bring that down to about four to five if you wanted to be a little more appropriate. But your calories definitely need to go up with that much activity, with the work that you do, you're you're actually there's muscle that wants to be built right now that just can't because your calorie are high enough yep yep extend your rest periods too between sets that's it yeah that's always a challenge but yes I hear you I got it okay fantastic this is really helpful thing yeah if that's true that's a that's a huge opportunity right there reducing the volume giving yourself rest giving yourself more calories is the answer you're going to build some muscle this is the answer to this

equation and it will happen you got it if you do it right we will we'll get we'll get leaner we build muscle if we do this right that's right it wouldn't be out of the question for you to drop two or three percent body fat because you gain five pounds of muscle that's right I like it I don't care what the scale says I'm going for um you know increased muscle mass good love it all right you're gonna like this then Sean I'm gonna have I'm gonna have Doug put you in our private form so we can just keep an eye on you so as you go through the process you can hit us up and ask us any questions along the way awesome fantastic thanks guys I really appreciate it all right all right thank you yeah dude

that's easy fix. Yes. Super easy fix. Just way too low calories. Yeah, and six exercises in a full body workout, it's not bad. But with her low calories, with the amount of activity she's doing. And her work, you know, her work, you guys, I mean, people understand she's emotionally draining. She's a nurse for children with cancer.

I know. The stress that places on the body that can't be understated. It's not helping her. Let's put that way. No, no. Yeah, it's not helping the cause. No, so just increasing her calories, drop a little volume. Boom, she's going to build muscle.

Yeah, you gave her a very conservative number. She could easily bump 200 to 300. This is for her to be comfortable. Right, right. But she could easily bump 2,300. And head, that's why I wanted to tell her a goal target is like, we need to get up to like 2,700 calories. She's at 2,700.

Then I'd let her come back down to like 2,400. And she would just watch herself lean out. Our next caller is Paul from England. Paul, I remember you. How are you doing, man? I'm good. Thank you. How are you guys?

Good, good. Give us an update. Oh, okay. So I kind of have a confession to make. So I tried the plan. you guys gave me all time strength and I gave it a good couple of weeks and it just

kind of wasn't it wasn't for me I'll be honest like I enjoyed it it was different it was like challenging but like challenging in the way of like learning a new skill yeah of course which is kind of to be expected I guess right but it

it kind of wasn't ticking the challenging me physically box if you know what I mean maybe I should have been a bit more patient with it I don't know but But what it did do is it kind of open my eyes to like, okay, what I think I'm missing is kind of having fun in the gym again and just doing not necessarily what you want, but doing things that you enjoy and kind of taking the emphasis off of, you know, being lean and being as lean as you can and blah, blah, blah, and just focused on have some fun in the gym again, which led me down the path to actually thinking about putting on a bit of size and then changing my diet up a little bit and just taking a moment. more kind of still structured and focused but like less pressurized approach if you like to that to the gym which i've been doing for like the last three months and it's been really cool yeah you

didn't change anything paul you just you just convinced yourself to do the same thing stop lying you sound like me yeah that's why i know that's why i know you're lying that's how i sound yeah hey hey you look great though yeah thank you this is what you see This is what you said. I like something. You look badass. Hey, hey, hold on. This is Paul right here.

Hey, I just change things up. I'm doing what I enjoy. Not necessarily what I like. That's the same thing. What are you talking about? No, that's a British English thing. Like,

I'm not just doing any old shit. I'm doing things that I enjoy. Not just any kind of like. What did you change specifically about your routine? So I was a bit less regimented with it. In terms of like, you know, this day we show. This day will be back.

This day will be whatever chest. And then if you don't do that, then you kind of feel like you've missed out. If I got up in the morning and I, you know, my back felt toasted or whatever. And I just didn't fancy that. And I wanted to do some shoulders or I wanted to do some arms, then I'm cool with doing that.

And I'll do it. And I'll get a good workout in. And I'll, like, not put it in the bag and forget about it. Move on. I'll do back another day, that kind of thing. So do you remember, do you remember the original call? I'm trying to remember. I'm trying to remember what we were working on.

Yeah, hyper-focused on. and we try to move him out of that. That's where we sent him whole time. Too big of a jump. That's our bad, Paul. Yeah, it was. Too big of a jump. We jumped the shark.

I think I kind of feel like I was the one that was not wanting to do old time me right away. I think that's what you guys wanted to go that direction. I'm like, you're going to take a bodybuilder guy and jump all the way to something that's super unique. You know, it's a journey. Listen, it's a journey, Paul. And the process of this journey with fitness is trying to figure out how to make it, or keep it something that's serving you,

not that you're serving it. And it's a hard process, man. And it's an up and down process. I'm, you know, I'm still deal with it. I'm dealing with it right now. So if you're getting some value out of it and you're starting to find yourself, okay, I'm going to change a little of this.

That's perfectly fine. I do think the Sal's series that is, when does it go live? I think it's this, maybe soon. Yeah. So next week, Sal's series goes lives. has the same problem as you do. And so he's like sharing that process and the struggle of that and what he's doing to work on that.

I think it's going to be a great series for you to watch. So make sure you're tuning in on YouTube as he goes through this process. Because I think at the bare minimum, the things that you'll pick up from what he's going through, I think will help you in your overall journey. But we totally jump the shark with trying to get you to go from hardcore bodybuilder, dialed everything guy to like all time strength is so. unique. I'll tell you what, my, can you do this kind of a jump? Oil and water. Can we try this

kind of a jump? Can you dedicate one day to one of the workouts in old time strength? So everything else would do with the way you want? Or just one of the lifts. Or maybe even just one of the lifts. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, don't be wrong. Like, some of the lifts I

enjoyed them. They're like a fun challenge. But they, like I said, which one? Which one did you find a fun? So those You guys call it different He's like the bicep curl The bicep curl

Yeah Was it like a windmill Did you do something? Did you like any like the circus press? What else is in that one? Circus press I like Windmills I hate Because I'm just

You just gave all the terminology Yeah The progressions to the Turkish get-ups I like They're really cool And you guys You name them different In the phases right I think I remember

Yeah I think let's do this Let's do this Paul once a week can you can you practice the windmill for three sets you pick the one a hey yeah i know i know well i remember part of the reason part of the reason why we wanted you go there we were talking about aging and taking care of the body and all these other things and we knew that the movements in there are so good to get that are different right moving in different planes and the windmill is one of the best one and it's one of the ones that

are normally most glaring for bodybuilders of yeah yeah meathead to you know yeah because it's so difficult, but that's even more reason why you should get competitive with it to get good at it because it'll serve you. Can you practice it once a week for three sets? I don't care what day you do it on. Just practice. No, I can do that. I can do that totally. Don't let me wrong. Rationally, I get the program. It makes a lot of sense. No, no, we're just razzing. This is what we're going to do, Paul. It was our bad. Yeah, it was our bad. We're going to fix this. Yeah, I take ownership of that. We're going to fix this. Can you, you should have made it more, yeah, a bridge between that. And don't give me a a bull crap answer. I'm honest, okay?

If you think you can do it once a week, then let's start there. Just the windmill. Practice it once a week. We'll have you back on. We're going to check in with you again. Easy. All right. I don't want to give up. And I don't either. We're not. We're going to solve this. And I definitely think

follow Sal's journey. What'll be great is we get you doing the windmill once a week. Just practice it. Three sets. Just that's all we ask. And I would love to see video of how shitty you look right now and where your progress case the technique with it yes i'd like to see you video yourself right now because i know it probably looks terrible right now and let's see if we can make improvement on that

the next time we check in and hopefully between that and watching south series you'll get some really good benefit from that and you'll be very happy all right deal all right paul that's the deal i get it my friend yeah we'll see you soon i'm gonna take off before it gets any worse for me It took me a minute to remember. For people listening right now, because, you know, you'll hear, you know, oh, I did this. You hear the excuses and blah, blah, blah. We messed up. Yeah, we did.

Yeah, I know. This was terrible. I want to go back in here. That's why I hope the editing team can find the original call. Okay, Adam, you were right. No, no, that's not what I mean by that. Like, I might have been right with you guys. I'm not, I think we got excited.

If I recall, I think I remember thinking like, oh, this is like hardcore bodyboy guy and you're going to throw me an old time. Well, what it was, if I recall was we were like, you know, this is the right thing to do, but will he do it? Yeah, you need to get this way. But will he do it? Yeah. That's why I want to hear us like if we were all, because we might have been already kind of concerned.

I'd be interested to hear our talk after. Yeah, I feel like in our discussion. I would be surprised if he's not going to do it. I don't know if he's going to do this. Yeah, I want to hear. I want to hear what we all said because I have a feeling even after we recommended it, we kind of probably questioned like, he's not going to do it. Listen, this is the challenge with coaching people on the podcast.

Oh, God. Because we have 10 minutes with them. Yeah. Because if he was my client, here's what would have happened. I would have said, old time strength. two sessions in and we're like uh-uh this is not working we're back and way off yeah yeah and then you would have picked one exercise and you would have kept everything similar i might even have done one set i said three to him and i'm hoping he's he was committed you know in an honest way because

that might even be too much for some people so it's a very slow process uh and this is true for everybody in fitness for some people it's just getting them to be consistent for other people it's getting them out of their own way because they've been doing the same thing for so long yeah and it's a tough process i know exactly how hard it is i'm stuck in it myself well and It doesn't help, and again, you can probably attribute, talk with this too. It's like, when you get constant praise for how you look and everything like that, from doing the things you've done

this way, it's kind of hard to break out of it. It's like, I guarantee anybody who knows him is telling him, bro. It's a totally different feel to, you know, it's like, that was all like grinding tough. Like, we were trying to really just like rip him out of his comfort zone. Yeah. Yeah, I want to hear, I want to hear the take on it.

I'm really curious to how we broke it all down and then I want to know how we talked like this. As I have a feeling. Poor guy just walked. into a bus. I bet you, I bet you one of us right after hung up, be like, he's not going to do that shit. But he's also, you could tell, though, right out the gates, he's a guy I could be totally straight with. He was talking. I know all of us were thinking the same thing. He changed nothing bro. I'm just like, he got more ripped at it. He got more. He just looked at the program. He was

like, no. I went 100%. He said, I tried it for a couple weeks. No, you did it. Yeah, he like three. Not even. I don't even. I think he attempted one exercise. I'm out. That's why Jessica got mad because I gave the names of him. He's like, he gave me He gave him the answer to the test. Yes, he'll get married names over. They call it something different. Is that what it is? In my country, it's English.

It's all English, bro. Yeah, I want to go, we have to find that. I want to have our lunch break. I want to watch that video. Look, if you like this podcast, come find us on Instagram, Mind Pump Media. We'll see you there. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump.

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