Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2678: How to Eat Carbs for Muscle Gain & Fat Loss & More (Listener Coaching)

Episode Date: September 5, 2025

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build muscle and through that process, burn body fat, but you should leverage them the right way. We're going to talk carbs today, how to eat them, when to eat them, what to eat, to maximize their effect. Let's go. Don't be scared to build without them. Yes. It's incredibly difficult. It's really hard.

Yeah. It's much harder. So I think first we should start with some of the myths around carbohydrates and maybe, there's some facts before we kind of get into breaking down and how to leverage them in the right way. First thing is that carbs don't make you fat. I think a lot of people believe that carbohydrates have this special ability to cause fat gain. That's actually not true.

Excess calories cause fat gain. That being said, protein has a higher thermic effect than both fat and carbs. So that one's a little less or causes less of that effect. Nonetheless, they don't cause fat gain. And I know this became kind of a thing after the introduction of the low carb kind of popularity diets in the 90s where people saw it. The Atkins what kicked it off? Is that what really kicked it off? Low-carb diets go way back.

But that, you know, during just for context, in the 80s and 90s, we were hammered with fat. That fat was bad. Avoid fat at all costs. And Atkins comes out with a diet that's like, no, eat all the fat you want. Yeah, eat fat. Just don't eat carbohydrates. And it was a low-calorie diet. That people lost weight on it.

But it was so counter from what everybody had heard for so long that it suddenly became the scapego. And so then every problem got blamed on carbohydrates. And that became the enemy. And that still lingers. You still see or hear people saying, you know, or believing that carbohydrates have this like speciality. I feel like we saw the same cycle with vegan and carnivore diet.

You just saw it happen so much faster because of social media and how quickly in documentaries, how quickly that pendulum swung. Where before it's a book that comes out, it takes, you know, five years to make their rounds on the shows. Yeah, it takes five years to do it. adopt. It slowly makes it. It's like, oh, then it's a big thing for like 10 years where it's like we got hammered hard with like veganism. And then quickly after that we have carnivore diet. Like that's a side track, but you want to talk about a formula for selling a diet book. Just write a book on the opposite of what everybody else is saying. And it's for people buy it. Well, especially if you can back some of it up logic. Like some of it makes sense and is true. And I mean, it's the Atkins diet is rooted in a lot of truths. I think it's just like you said, it's. It's. because it was the opposite of what everybody was doing

and there was a lot of truth to it, that's what makes it so popular. That's right. Now, carbohydrates are great for energy that is required during physical exertion. They've done study after study on carbohydrate intake

and athletic performance, power and strength in particular. Now, for low-level intensity endurance, you can go without carbohydrates so long as calories and fat are high enough, and you'll be okay. Like if you're hiking or walking or, you know, really slow distance running or swimming.

But when it comes to exerting power or strength, like carbohydrates make a difference when all things are equal. Yeah, if you've seen, I mean, fat-adapted athletes, the only time I've seen them really thriving is the endurance type of the activity. And it's also low intensity. Low intensity, yeah. Yeah, like 100-mile races. No, anything fast twitch is going to be kind of brutal without carbs.

Well, we saw that, remember the massive pivot that CrossFit had to do? Yeah. Remember, CrossFit came out and P. Paleo was the original, like, and they were hardcore paleo. Yeah. There weren't even tubers. Seeds, yeah.

And they had to totally pivot away from that because it just was not conducive for these athletes that were pushing at that high level. And it's not like paleo is carb-free. You still get carbs in paleo, but it was just fruit. Yeah.

That's all they allowed. Sweet potato, too, I think. No, no. This was early days. They were hardcore. Oh, it was even without that. Yeah. Oh, I thought they had that in there.

They had to throw in sweet potato later because their athletes were like, this isn't working. Yeah, they were taking the philosophy and twisting it a little bit and say, well, potatoes might be okay. Pellu-esque. Yeah. Yeah.

And then realize it was, okay, this is fine out the best way to go. Carnivore added honey now. Yeah. But for strength, power, athletic performance, like you want carbide. Of course, there's always individual variances with this, but the date on this is pretty clear. Now, another truth around carbohydrates, between fats, carbs, and proteins, they produce the least satiety. Meaning you're going to get the most satiety signal, right?

The most, the strongest signal that says I'm full from protein. Second is fats, carbohydrates are less. So they do produce the least amount of satiety, which is why some people... It's beneficial to bulk with carbs. That's right. And some people find success going low carb because they bump their fats and their protein, and then suddenly their appetite is lower. This is where I could see the value with some people going on a calorie deficit

with lower carbohydrates. Their fats and proteins tend to be higher. Carbohydrates are inexpensive. That can be a plus for people looking for energy sources. It's the least expensive macronutrient protein. being the most expensive. And then carbohydrates have been shown to help with recovery.

In fact, I just saw a recent study that showed that eating carbohydrates post-workout within a couple hours will improve performance even a day later or two days later, even if they in comparison to someone eating these carbs later. So there may be some truth to eating carbohydrates within that two-hour.

Do you think that is more related to carbohydrates or just probably a calorie surplus? Or did they tease that out? They said that they controlled for it. Oh, okay. So there seems to be a benefit, and athletes at the highest levels will tend to confirm this. I think this is splitting hairs. I think there are cases we're eating carbohydrates right after workout or food right after

workout might not be a good idea, especially if they have gut health issues. Yeah. But if you're like kind of redlining, it's probably a good idea. And carbohydrates do, when you eat them, they do help shuttle amino acids into muscle as well just through spiking insulin. So, again, splitting hairs, but it does make a difference with that. recovery. All right, let's talk about the most important points here with carbohydrates. How should we leverage them and what should we choose if we want to maximize them for muscle gain and fat loss? The most important thing to consider with carbohydrates are pick ones

that are easy to digest. That's the most important thing. Rice, sweet potato. Typically, typically, it's white rice, sweet potato, fruit, where people have issues with carbohydrates when they say, oh, I feel better not eating them or even less of them. Oftentimes, Bread, pasta. Yeah. Oftentimes it's because they're eating carbohydrates that affect their digestion. Yeah. So in my experience, working with clients, most people, not always, but most people do best avoiding gluten-containing carbohydrates.

And these are people who are non-celiac. These are people without, like, major issues. But when I would control for calories and macros and we would just go from gluten-containing to non-glutin-containing, they tend to do better. And I think that's because gluten is kind of a hard protein to break down. And a lot of the options people usually get are just highly processed. That's the other one. Yeah, for carbohydrates. Yeah.

You want easy to digest carbohydrates because if they start to bog you down, then that's going to cause issues with your performance and your workouts. Next up, you want to eat carbohydrates before a hard workout. So especially if it's going to be a lengthy, intense workout, having carbohydrates a couple hours before has been shown in studies to contribute to improve performance. performance. This isn't always 100% true. Some people do well fasted, but typically they're fasted because they ate a large carbohydrate meal maybe the night before. These are like early morning workouts. That's me. But eating them a couple hours before a workout is typically a good

idea. Well, how paramount is this to somebody who is playing basketball or going for a long run or a long hike or doing something that's going to exceed even beyond an hour? How important is this become? Oh, very important. Now you see changes in performance. Now you see improved performance with those carbohydrates. I know when you were bodybuilding Adam, this wasn't an endurance sport, but you, we've said this many times in the show that you would have to have

to maximize the feel, the pump, and just the results you got, having two carb meals before your workout. I had to have north of 75 grams of carbs before I wanted the workout to feel like, and I had got it down to like a science of knowing that like anything less than that I had less of a pump,

any more than that was insignificant to see a difference. And so it was right around 75 grams of carbohydrates going into a workout. Now, mind you, that means nothing to everybody else because that was my body and what I needed. But there was a significant difference in the pumps that I got and the performance inside the gym. Now, Justin, you're the most athletic-minded of all of us. There was a period there where you went really low carb. I know. And I remember you stopped because you said your workouts. Yeah, they were just, yeah, they were suffering. It was just one of those things. I think that initially I liked it because I was low on the gluten side of things and like the

inflammatory type of foods. But, yeah, my performance suffered dramatically. I would balk pretty hard in my workout. Next step is to eat carbohydrates after a hard workout, especially if you plan, this is a big one, especially if you plan on working out again, not sure, not too long after. This is super important for people who work out twice a day or for people who work out really hard many days in a row. That post-workout meal, and it could be an hour afterwards, with carbohydrates will probably

improve your recovery and improve your performance with the following workout. Is that because your body's going to tap into that glycogen first to help aid in the recovery process? And if it doesn't have that there, it's going to slow that process down. So here's where it gets like hair splitting, right? But you have the, you know, the glute four receptor that gets activated from exercise. And that's a receptor that kind of moves to the outside of the cell and starts sucking in or drawing in carbohydrates, which also helps suck in things like fluid and bring in amino acids. That doesn't stay like that for super long.

That's like a couple hours post-workout. So you're taking advantage of that by eating the carbohydrates after. So there was a – now, we used to think – there were some studies that said it didn't matter so long as you eat the carbs later in the day or whatever. It doesn't make a difference. There was another study that showed that it did affect performance if they ate it within an hour or two afterwards versus later with the following days. Now, is this the same science where we got the basis of the anabolic window and why that's so important?

or is that more protein synthesis related? Yeah, both. And the anabolic window, I hate talking about that because then people listening who are just just trying to get fit and healthy start to place too much of an emphasis on that.

Like it makes a huge difference. Because we have so, there's research to show that there's some benefit to it. It's just very minimal. I mean, in comparison to like what you're eating and workout program and sleep,

it's not that big of it. It makes sense when you are at the highest level of bodybuilding and you're weighing, measuring, tracking, timing, everything. It's like, sure, why not? also try and hit this window about 99.9% of the population, it's like, just eat well. Now, for clients that I've worked with, this often makes a difference less because of what you said,

Adam, but more because when they don't do this, they end up eating too little. Well, that was my defense for it all, because I understood that it was, it was insignificant. Even being in bodybuilding, I thought it was insignificant to the, you know, anabolic window and protein synthesis. And did I build much? No, it was more like what I found was, if, I ate before I got in the workout and if I had myself do a shake, like while I was at the gym, I was able to get home and then have another meal and that additional three to 400 calories helped me hit my caloric intake. And then when I go to a cut, I'd actually just reverse that out. I'd actually just get rid of it because it was easy for me not to do that. Yeah. And so that was an easy

place for me to pull three to 500 calories in and out of my diet that was, and that was the main reason why I did. I said this would benefit a lot of my female clients who would struggle eating enough because they were so afraid of gaining weight. And so one way I would get them to eat a little more would be to emphasize this like post-workout meal. And then they get all these great results. And it was mostly due to the fact that they were eating a little more. And if they didn't do it, then they just didn't have the time to eat those additional calories. So next up, this is good for, I like doing this strategy for fat loss because carbohydrates are not essential, right? So proteins and fats are essential, meaning if you don't eat enough of them,

regardless of how many calories you eat, your body's not going to thrive. In fact, in extreme cases, you'll get severe illness and or die. In other words, you get 10,000 calories a day. If you're not eating enough essential fatty acids or enough essential amino acids, you're not going to make it, even with a lot of calories. Carbohydrates are not like that. You could go with zero carbs forever and be okay. It might not be ideal, but they're not essential.

What that allows us to do is use carbohydrates to cut our calories and stick with proteins and fats being consistent. So I used that like to have my clients match their carbon. take to activity. Yeah. Right? So low activity days, let's eat less carbs. More activities, let's eat more carbs.

And we had an appropriate caloric intake without sacrificing the essential proteins of fat. I think what you're pointing to is also the success that I had with like carb cycling. Yes. Just found that like, you know, and I think there's something to be said too about having a kind of a different goal every day. So you're not eating like the same thing every single day. It's like, oh, today I get to enjoy an additional hundred grams of carbs. And I actually feel that when I do that. And so just changing that up every day.

And really what you're doing to the client, it has nothing to do with really what we try to make the science sound to be is like what's happening on, what's happening there. It's literally all you're doing is you're cycling. Undulating it. Yeah, you're undulating calories by three to 500 calories over the course of three to four days. And the body does well with that.

Yeah. And the body does well with that responds. You're in a chloro deficit. Behaviorally, it's great. Yes. Some days are higher than others. It doesn't feel like you're always in a, you know, super low calorie. And it's the carb, it's the macronutrient that you can play with the

because you go all the way down to zero. Yeah. With fats and protein. Yeah. You can't take it out. And with fats and protein, especially if calories are low, sometimes I would get clients where they were afraid to eat too many fats, maybe because they were, you know, in our generation.

And it's like, yeah, we're not cutting your fats. Like we're going to start to tap, go below what's essential. And regardless of what else we eat, you're going to feel horrible. Whereas with carbs, I could drop those down up and down. We're going to be totally open. Yeah, they're fearful that because it's high calorie. That's right. Yeah, it's like, it's essential.

That's right. Next up is to eat them after your preference. protein. So for the kind of similar reason, proteins, fats are essential. Typically when you eat a protein, fats come along with it if you're eating it from natural sources. Proteins of fats, because they're essential or more important, eat those first. Eat those first in your meal. Save the carbohydrates for the very well. Yeah. Also, it'll organically manage the amount of carbohydrates you end up intake. It's like you, it's like you sit down and start eating chips or bread or any or even like pasta rice name it first you end up eating so much more get full on that

and then you at least was this was so common with my clients is having a hard time to eat eight ounces of meat well they had a hard time because they didn't eat it first they ate the carbohydrate or whatever the appetizer was that came first yeah and then and they get full on that and then the we're all guilty of this right how many times have you done that were there's nothing worse that's like oh it's the worst thing ever is you you're starving you go to a real nice steak house, you order steak, but then you also order appetizers because you're dying. And then you're eating bread and appetizers. Then you're, you know, $150 steak comes and you don't even finish it. It's like, what a waste that that is, you know. So that strategy of telling the client just eat the protein slash fats first. And it tends to manage the carbohydrates really well.

And then Justin mentioned the other one is it manages blood sugar and insulin. Very well. When you eat protein first, regardless of what else you eat afterwards, your, blood sugar levels are more stable thus you're going to have more stable insulin levels and so it's better for mood cravings all those things one of the applications for some people for anxiety if people wake up with anxiety

I've heard you know psychologists recommend this before and I've done it with clients some people will wake up feeling kind of anxious eating a protein fat meal in the morning tends to help that throughout the entire day and it's the blood sugar management next up don't drink your carbs this is a terrible idea.

You're better off eating them and drinking carbs can get away from you real fast. The only time that's ever recommended is for a hard garner. Yes. The only time

I... It's helpful for hard gainer. Yeah, yeah. See, the only time that strategy is deployed is when I have a client who's just having such a hard time and that's a great strategy

to sneak a lot of calories in. And so if your goal is fat loss or maintaining, like probably not a good strategy. Right. Now, there are some performance benefits to drinking carbs during a workout.

If you're doing like a two-hour, you know, workout, you might want to have some in between. It's super rigorous. Yeah. You need some energy quickly. It makes a difference. It makes a little sense, too. If you're somebody who knows that you perform better on some sort of calories or carbohydrates and you train early.

Yeah. And you don't want like a heavy meal like before you go. So then it makes a little bit of sense that way. But you just got to be careful. That's what I do sometimes. So you guys know I work out in the morning first thing. I'm fasted. If I'm planning a long workout, like there were a couple I did where I went up to

the Santa Cruz Athletic Club. And that gym is just, I mean, it's just fun. There's so much stuff in there. Two-hour playoff. You didn't have all kinds of volume there. Oh, yeah. I'm going to overdo it. And so what I did is they brought coconut water, which is a great, nice natural source of carbohydrates.

And I drink that throughout the workout. Otherwise, I'd crash and I wouldn't be able to work out as long. It was an ideal workout, but it was those carbohydrates in the middle of workout help, you know, keep me going throughout the whole thing. And then finally, this is a question mark because it depends. What about before bed? an hour or two before bed. Here's what's interesting with this.

Carbohydrates are used to help produce serotonin and melatonin, which can help with sleep. On the other hand, for some people, people will get blood sugar spikes, which will make their sleep worse. This is really wild at how different people are with this. I was wondering about it, because I've heard about that, and I was always like, this would totally interrupt my sleep. Well, this is a strategy with babies. You know that? A lot of times you have a baby's on a hard time and you crush up like cereal or something like that inside their milk. and I'll help put them to sleep.

They wake up hungry. No, no, it keeps them asleep. Keeps them asleep. Yeah, it's a strategy for babies that actually wake up and you're wanting them to sleep longer, crushing up like a cereal is like an old way of doing that. Carbohydrate meal for dinner time always gives me a better sleep. So even when I was lower carb, if I had them,

it would be at dinner time, which was typically like three hours before bed and I'd sleep better. So this one, you'd have to experiment and see, you know, what works best for you. Yeah, I find if it's enough time before bed, it's plenty good. Like, as long as you're, it's two, three hours, before right before not ideal

I think because then your body's still digesting the food you're gonna it's gonna disrupt sleep otherwise I feel I sleep better on a big carb dinner totally all right I'm gonna bring up the egg protein from Legion because it's just so good and we were talking off air and I did not I have not used it in the ninja cream yeah I well I haven't used it at all but I know that I do want to try it

and one of the things I'll do is I'll use in the ninja creaming I was just talking to our buddy about that just the other day we're talking about all the different recipes and we're sharing what I've got two I do that I really like. It's a pistachio one. And then I do a strawberry graham cracker. Do you actually put pistachios in it? Yeah, quarter cup. You put a quarter cup of pistachios, real pistachios. And then I use a pistachio like whey protein. And then I do almond milk for the base. And then I use, this works really well for me.

What would be great would be to use the Legion egg like this. So when you go to mix after it's been frozen, I actually use, they're not a sponsor of ours. I use the ready-to-drink premier shakes. But I think it would be great to use the egg in that. Because I don't use, like, a whole bunch of it. I use just enough to kind of froth it up. And I think that the egg, I bet, would probably be even better. Yeah, I'm really enjoying their egg protein because, and it's funny because a long time ago, so I can't have dairy.

And then when my gut health was really bad, I could almost, I mean, it was so many, few things I could eat. And eggs were like, sometimes I could, sometimes I couldn't. So I just rode off egg protein. Well, my gut health's been great now for the last. maybe two years, and Legion comes out with their egg protein, and, you know, I rediscovered it. It's like, if you can't have dairy, but you want that super, you know, amino acid profile, you want that animal, like what they would call the perfect protein.

Egg and weigh are so close in terms of, like, their losing content. It also tastes better than your, you know. Oh, it's good. Yeah, your vegan proteins, like, I mean, are not nearly as good as, like, what weigh is. and then I would say egg is the second best. Very close. Yeah, as far as flavor taste. Even their way protein, though, I've found is like the best digestible version I've ever had.

So it's like I've had a bunch of different way proteins out there. And it's like you'll get that response. Even though I'm not less so, I don't think I'm that intolerant. I know you guys would probably argue otherwise. He's a denial of. But it doesn't affect me really. Yeah. I think that's a testament to Mike.

and the quality of stuff that he puts in all of his supplements. I mean, that Legion's always, Mike's always been so good. He's crazy with quality. Yeah, yeah. Which,

you know, it's so important. Every time they come out with a study, every time there's a third party that goes and test supplements, I always wince. I'm always, I look at the results and I close my eyes and I look at it, and it's always the same.

It's like 80%. I mean, It's always like that. 80% of the supplements that they'll grab off the shelves, either don't have what they say they do, have weird stuff in there. Yeah, It's the most popular ones, too.

Well, it's because the repercussions. What are they? Like a slap on the wrist? It's not like you're going to jail for lying about your protein spying. Yeah. I mean, it's, if you don't have, you don't have a lot of integrity, then it's a pretty savvy strategy to pixie dust it and to protein spike it and to do that as long as you can until you get, you know, slapped with some article, which does a little bit of damage

to you for a minute, but the amount of money that you made on those markets. of lying basically about what you did, I'm sure Trump's the loss that you make from the one bad article. It's so crazy. I mean, it's terrible, but I mean, that's the logic that they're operating from. They're like begging to be regulated.

Have you seen the new thing that's happened on Amazon? These Chinese companies will copy identical a supplement. So they'll copy the brand. They'll do everything and they'll sell it on Amazon. So you'll go on there and buy what you think is X brand or whatever. But it's actually a Chinese company. And they're selling you a fake of it. Yeah, dude, this is happening like crazy.

And Amazon doesn't shut that down? How? You know how hard it is for them to see and figure out what's going on? So let me get this right. So let's pretend it was Legion. I find Legion on Amazon. You can find, I don't know if... And then like it's like a weird bag that doesn't even look like Legion.

They'll make them look like... Same label and all that. Oh, they'll actually go through the process. Oh, wow. Like knock off sneakers. Yes. No way. Yes.

Of course. Why would I not think that would be a... Like, knockoff sneakers are so big, right? And they've gotten so good at making like the fakes look like the reels. This is so terrible. I saw one company, maybe Doug, you can Google this.

I saw one company that showed their bottle, and they said, this is not us. And they were showing the bottle. It was a little bit different. Yeah, what's the difference is? It's just like very subtle. They try, they copy them.

They'll literally take it, copy it. They'll manufacture it over there. Now, I'm imagining what they're doing, though, is they're probably putting crap in it. Of course. Why would they make the same supplement with the same margin? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

No, they're definitely. So you're going on there looking for, you know, whatever brand. about you get a bunch of baby powder for like, who knows what they're throwing in there? Of course, though, it makes so much sense that that's a hustle. I can't believe it. What I can't believe is that...

My cousin told me about this. What I can't believe is that it's taking this long for us to hear or see something like that. Because it just makes so much sense. Like, I would think doing that is easier than replicating a pair of Jordans. Like that way, and they've gotten so good at the... That requires skill. Oh, yeah. They've gotten so good at that that a lot of people rep the fakes because they're like,

oh, the fakes look so much like the reels and they're a quarter to the price. why would I pay all this extra money? So it makes sense that a powder that's inside that's not regulated would, of course, I can't believe. You just copy the label. They give you the bottle. And instead of giving you vitamin, whatever, it's, you know. No shit. Yeah, it's rice powder.

No way. Did you find an article on that? Yeah, there's a lot of articles. I'm looking for some pictures, but it seems to be pretty prevalent. I did not know that. So my cousin, I was talking my cousin. Yeah. His dad, my uncle who passed away, was an herbal owned a shop.

He was an herbalist. And my cousin, we were talking about this. And he's like, dude, when you go on Amazon, are you, like, are you careful? I'm like, well, you know, we work with companies that send his stuff. But every once in a while, because I'm a fanatic, I'll go on Amazon and buy some whatever. And he's like, yeah, dude, he's like, nine and ten times that's from random company in China. It's not even the right. Yeah.

So I started going online looking up these articles and it's a big problem. Yeah, so how do they, I mean, handle that? Verify like the specific companies, like, you know what the problem is? The problem is, is that Amazon. is such a big company that makes it easy for other people and companies

to sell their products that how can they possibly how can they? How can they? How many people would they need to do that? And they would need to check everything? How would they...

Yeah, that you'd have to make the process of being able to sell on a more stringent to be able to deal their business model. Right, right. I know, isn't that stupid? It's so crazy to me that I never thought that that would be a thing

that makes total sense that someone would do that. It makes me upset. See, Doug found a bunch of articles and, yeah, there you go. Look at that. Can you tell the difference? Yeah, the bottles are almost identical. Look at that.

Yeah. And so people might be taking something and not even know. Wow. Well, isn't Amazon's hustle to like, and this is like a legitimate above board hustle is to watch a company, whether it be batteries, protein powders, whatever, and just let them rank to the top. And it's like, there's the best. Then they go, they go in and reverse engineer the product. and then sell their Amazon's version for a fraction of the price. See, look at that.

So this is a major supplement company. Yeah, now is huge. Now is huge. Now is huge. This is not a, no affiliate. One of the rights fake, right? That's their, that's their website saying, hey, you guys, people are selling fake, you know, supplements to make them look like they're ours, which is just, again, they're just. Just another reason why we don't want to do supplements.

I stop it. Come on. Oh, no, because we'll do it right. It's just riddle. Dude, get out of here, guy. I got you, dude. Oh, my goodness. Sketchy city, dude.

Just another nail in the coffin for me, dude. No, and then in a, in a, such a competitive business where the margins are 10% as it is, like, whoa. I know. Wow, I didn't know that. Yeah. That's new. That was new to me. I got to tell you guys about a, I was listening to a podcast this morning on Huberman, and he had a doctor.

It's so funny. His last name is like mine, so I'm going to say it wrong. Disteno, I think what his name was. Yeah. Dr. Desteno. And he's a psychologist. You can, I can't listen.

to his show. You can listen to a show? You too? So dry. I was just talking. He'll never come on our show. Oh, so... Cliffs. Yeah. You got to warm him up. Roll my... Put me to sleep.

Gee, I wonder what... That's our emails, Adam. It's great information. I think he's great. I think he's great. He's obviously a hardcore scientist. Yeah, you're a science dork. That's why. Yeah, that's what it is. But anyway... I just watch the clips. Yeah. Justin's like... I can... I can

I pretend to be cool. I can handle him on Instagram. Well, listen, he had this doctor on, Dr. David Desteno, who is a psychologist, and this guy studies the benefits of religion. So he's a scientist, and he's like, look, basically, I'm not here to talk. He's all, first of all, it's a dumb argument to try to debate the existence of God or not, because there's no way you could prove or disprove. This is just beyond the ability to do that. He goes, what I'm interested in is, is there a real value to this? Is there real value to this belief?

And so he's, and I haven't listened to the whole episode, but he breaks down the data. Oh, this is the stuff that you were interested in originally. I, if I had heard this long, a while ago when I was an atheist, this would have helped move me here quicker? Because I didn't, I didn't know that this data existed. I thought. Really?

Oh, no, I do it. You shared so much of that. I feel like that was originally the beginning of me moving. I was just say, what moved you in that direction was, you were like, you know, before I was going to profess or say that I believe, I do know that there's lots of positive benefits. Yeah. So you're talking probably six years, seven years ago is when I started to see this myself. But before that, I believed that religion was bad. Opiate of the masses, control people. It caused wars, like all the stuff that I think a lot of people falsely believe. And this guy goes through and talks about the data. And he talks about how the data is controlled. So he says, look, people who have a faith who practice it. Okay. So these are people who are really active in it. Not people who just say, I believe. People actually live like they do. They have far lower rates of all-cause mortality, far lower rates of cancer.

They're happier, higher rates of purpose in their life and that stuff. And he said, now, a lot of people argue and say, well, that's because sick people can't get up and get out of bed and go to church. And he goes, well, actually, they do longitudinal studies. And they follow people for years who go and then fall off and go and fall off. And he goes, and you can see clearly there's tons of benefit. Then there's the argument that says, and I love that he's a scientist and breaks us down. he says some people will say what's the community that's the benefit because you're around a lot of people he goes well we look at studies of people who belong to other communities like you know bowling leagues

or you know rec leagues or hobbies where they meet with lots of friends crocheting he goes no he says no uh having a faith is significantly more positively impactful on people's lives and he goes so is this a supernatural effect or not he goes I'm not here to make that argument but the data is clear people are more charitable, they give more, they're more peaceful, they're more likely to adopt, they're less violent, there's just benefits. The marriage one is the craziest one of the stuff I ever saw. The couples that pray together. Every night.

Is something crazy number. The divorce rates 1%. That's wild. Wow. That's crazy. I mean, just simply that stat alone, I think, is a super powerful stat. And I've heard people try to explain it away. They'll say, you know, here's the key, though.

Because some people, oh, a placebo effect. Well, for that to work, you have to actually believe it. Right. I mean, either way. And as a scientist, he says, you know, what's interesting, he goes, some people say you have to show me the evidence before I can do it. And he goes, I'm showing you the evidence of benefit. The evidence for benefit is clearly there. So you should definitely open your mind to this kind of stuff.

But with the marriage one, you know, people will say, oh, it's a very vulnerable time where we're talking and we're, you know, praying together. Even if that's true, it still works. It works. Yeah, it's like, so what's this? Show me. We can sit here and theorize and debate all day long on why it's happening. But if it's, if it's producing those kind of results, like, who cares? Oh, I mean, I mean, if you're in, listen, if you're in a position where you're fighting for your marriage, right?

Like, you love your spouse, but you just, you can't get on the same page, but you want it to work. And you, I mean, first of all, that's like first step to care to do that. And then to know that that's a possibility or that would enhance those chances, I don't know. I feel like that would open my mind too. There's nothing in the Western and Western society, nothing secular. There's no therapy, no anything that has that much of an impact to go from the 50, you know, percent divorce rate to one less than one percent. Yeah.

You don't see that kind of statistic. No. And it's literally just from praying every night together. So I think it's, and then the best ones for me are the charitable, you know, give more to charity, donate more time to helping others just overall it makes better people which counters a lot of the beliefs that I had you know back in the day thinking it was it was bad you know less more or less about religion more about just like practices that you do you know that parents that are active and work out their kids are six times more likely to oh because their parents do it yeah

I mean I bet that's true for anything you do I know right as a parent yeah I'd be interesting to see Yeah, right. Even bad habits. Oh, yeah. I mean, you're probably right. Like, if you, because what's this, what's this? I know the smoking one's really high. Like, if you smoke, the likelihood of your kids smoke is really, really high. So it's just like, it's a testament to that. They see what you do, not what you say, right? So it's like if you're an active physical parent and you work out and your kids see that, nothing to do with you teaching them or telling them or that, they just see it. They're six times more likely to follow that. I'll argue this all day long. Like, if you have kids and you really love your kids and you really want to be a good. parent, nothing will make you more motivated to make yourself better like that. Because you quickly realize, like, oh, in order for me to do all these things better, I have to be better at these things.

Because good luck, not being good at them and trying to get your kid to be, you know, good at those things. Impossible. Yeah, yeah. They definitely do what you do. I just popped in my head right now because it's been a while since I shared, like, you know, Max is at that fun age. He's, you know, six years old, so random stuff comes out.

And I'm always so curious of, like, when I hear something new, from him like where the hell that come from he was yelling at me to come downstairs daddy daddy come downstairs come down and i'm like i don't know i was cleaning the living the bedroom or something like that i'll be down there's minute no come down here i'm going to blow your mind it always shows me like this lego book that has all the villains yeah because there's all these new villains that we didn't know about you know now do you act like your mind's oh of course no way there's more you know i get all excited with him and so that because we're always looking for the newest like we're on i don't know if i told you guys that we've now

graduated from all the villains from Mario Brothers were now on all the villains of Batman and again I guess do you guys know how many villains are a part of Batman? There's a lot right Oh there is Batman's one of the best

Comic Book heroes Bro, there It's because of the villains There is well that's his image guy That's actually true They say that about like Storytelling 101 dude He like do you have

Do you know Do you have any idea like There's like 30 bro I bet you can't even name 10. I couldn't name 10. Joker, two face, the guy with the question marks, what's his name? Yeah, Ridler.

Ridler. Yep. There's the cat. Cat woman. Cat woman. What's the guy with the guy that makes a potato sack? Yeah, potato sack there's polka. There's polka.

There's polka face. There is so, there's so. Ice man. Yes, Mr. Freeze. There's so many that I didn't know. I didn't know. Yes. Penguin.

There's a lot. There's over 30 of them. He's all into them. Oh, yeah. And we do the little Lego. figures and so he's like some of these at the fine because they're like old and they're not new or oh you got them

you put them all up look at that there's so many more than that Harvey Dent of course Oh Harley Quinn of course how can we forget her Killer Crook Batman's killer crock this is not He's not a great superhero dude He's just rich

That's really nothing like what does he do It's relatable He's not gonna be bad he just learned some Kung food dude Do you know that Batman was based off of a real person I think I told you guys this Well, do you know, there was a guy, there was a guy. Theater of Roosevelt, right?

There was a guy who up in Seattle, I believe, where he was at, who was running around. Yes. And he... With the Batman costume? No. I have information about that guy. I know.

It came... Later on came out. Yeah, later on came out. Okay, so this guy had been a part of like, I want to say, like, 60 arrest or something like that, and he was... Yeah. Everybody talked about how he's like, oh, he's a vigilante hero, you know? And he's, like, wearing his costume.

And he's that night. Everybody around. recognizes him is like this somewhat of a staple in this vigilante, yeah. Yeah, and it turns out later that he actually started, because he was busting up people that were like selling drugs and all this kind of stuff. Turns out later they found drugs on him. Yeah, he was pedaling on the backside of it. He was dealing. He was the new villain, dude. He was in the news. He was all over the place. And they were, they were crediting him for like, I want to say like 64. He was taking out of his competition. Yes.

Yeah, that's exactly, that's the article that came out later on. This whole time, we thought he was over here. That's my blog. Phoenix Jones? Yeah, that's him right there. I like him. I know. You knew who he was?

Yes, I do. What show was it? There was like some documentary that kind of showed some people that were trying to be real life superheroes and he was on there. Oh, man. I know. I got a book series. That was a bummer.

I got a book series for you, Adam. What's that? So I was at the park. For me personally or for Max? No, for your son. Actually, you'd probably like, I know Justin was. like this. Justin was like,

you know, I don't like fiction. Huh? It's not fiction. It's true. Stay real always. Yeah. No,

no, no, it's not fiction. So I was at the park with my kids. On Thursdays, I liked to go to the park with them, and we ran to some friends

and this woman that we know and she was with her grandkids. Anyway, she was started reading them a book, and so my kids are like, I want to see that. So we all went over and we're listening.

And I couldn't believe they made this book series. It's called Who Would Win? And it's like, Oh, my son would love that. No, this is the coolest. We play this game in the hot tub. I throw out a villain or a person and then he throws out one, then we say, who would win?

You just look at their powers and you try to match them. Okay, this is even cooler than that. It's like, who would win in a fight? A great white shark or an orca? Oh, yeah, yeah. Or a lion versus a tiger. Orca. Orca.

Orca. Orca. And it goes in and it breaks down their strengths, their weaknesses. For sure, somebody with a five-year-old son wrote that book. Bro, I am into these books. Yeah, yeah. We play that game. I went on, as soon as I saw this, I went on Amazon and I bought, well, I had to get all of them.

It's called who will win. Who would win? Yeah, yeah, I'll definitely. Oh, and my son's like freaking out. Yeah, Max, we get it. Oh, it's like a wasp versus a hornet. Well, you've seen that computer program where it's got like all those like people, like thousands of people versus like a gorilla or whatever. Yeah, it's just like, it's stupid.

Everybody climb on it. 79 bucks. You can get the whole stuff. I just put it down on my notes. Did you really? Yeah, yeah, no. He would love that. He would totally love that.

You know, we always tease me because I don't like scary stuff. Yeah. But I'm watching, I'm watching, I mean, I don't. Is it a scary cartoon? Without us? No, no, no. It's Wednesday, the Netflix series. Oh, wait, hold on.

Scary. Well, Katrina said it was scary last night when we were watching it. The girl? The girl? Yeah. Have you watched it? Adam's family. I mean, I didn't think it was very scary either, but she made a comment last night, though.

She's like, this is so scary for nighttime to watch this before we go to bed. So she has to watch Seinfeld afterwards. Yeah, you got all your, you got all your nervous. Yeah, I did. I was like, I'm going to tell the guys. I got some scary. You got your Blake yet? I actually, have you guys watched this? It's really good. It's actually well, it's very well written. I like it. Yeah. I don't watch part two. I only watch the first one. I've watched. I'm in, I'm in part two right now and it's really good. Yeah, I watched. I watch the, I watch the, I watch the, no, no, no, no, that's scary. No, no, no, that's scary enough for me. Huh? I mean, there's like crows flying out of people's mouth and zombies eating faces. I mean, that's, that's, that's, yeah, come on. What's it rated? It's like PG, it's like a 13-year-year-old. old scary. It is. It's not, yeah. It's not, well, yeah, it's not, well, yeah, it's not like, it's scary enough, though. Did I tell you guys about the movie I watch called Nefarious? Did I tell you guys about that? Wait, did you watch Midnight Mass? No, you guys talk about that. You need to

watch Midnight Mass. You guys talked about that. You said that I might like it TV 14. TV 14. Good job, bro. See, you made it. Stronging her way up. Wow. Can't even be 13. It might be a little, it might be like 21, though. I don't know. No, no, listen. Baby steps. I got to tell you about Nefarious. Did I bring this up? on the show already? No. So I watched this. There was a priest who was being interviewed

and he performs exorcisms. It's like a real life depiction of a demon, right? He said, so this, so, you know, because you guys know Catholic priests, there are those that actually perform exorcisms? And he said, in the interview he said, are there any movies that actually show what it's really like?

And he goes, only one. Only when he goes, in fact, it's so accurate, I can't believe they made it. So, of course, I watched it. And it is. I know. It's all dialogue. It's all dialogues.

And the story, I think I told you, it was a story of this, it was a serial killer, or this murderer. That right there? That's it. Yeah, I would never watch that. It's just because it looks too soon.

It's not as bad. That cover is enough to keep me away right there. So that guy right there is this criminal about to get executed. And they have to bring in a psychiatrist or psychologist to either confirm or deny that he's crazy. If he's crazy, he doesn't get the death sentence. Oh, my God. The ratings are terrible, Sal. No, it was good.

I'm telling you. You have the worst. It goes like this. You're the worst, then Justin. And then Doug and I are way separate. from you guys as far as like our movie ratings. You guys would like this, dude. I mean, no way.

So before I watch anything, I do go to Rotten Tomatoes, right? I go to Rotten Tomatoes too. If I saw a score like this. You know what? So you can't. I won't even touch it. If it doesn't break the crowd to tell you what to like. Listen, listen.

Hold on a second. No, no. You'll let me babysit your kid. You trust me more than these rotten tomatoes. Trust me. Watch this. Those are two different things. Those are two different things.

Trust me. I trust you watch my kid because I don't get to make you watch some boring-ass TV. He's going to fall. The weird part, though, I really like good movies, but also, too, I can enjoy a really shitty movie. Oh, you know, it did get 96 for viewers. So I take viewers over critics. I'm with that, too.

I'm with that. So he's getting interviewed, and the way he's responding when the demon starts talking, and what he says is so, it's so good. It is so good. And it's all dialogue. So don't worry. No scary stuff that happens. Yeah, nice try. I'll read the clip notes.

Speaking of movies, dude, I have a, I don't want to talk too much. I want to get in trouble. But I have a buddy who's about to, I'll speak vaguely. He's about to do a competition that his wife is opposed to because it takes time away from family and all that stuff. And so he's like, oh, man, she doesn't want me to do it, but I really want to do it. What do I do? So we're talking about it. And so he's decided he's going to train as if he's going to do the competition.

And then hopefully his wife will change his mind, you know? Great strategy. Yeah, good plan, dude. So we were talking about this, and then I'm like, you know what you should do is you should sit down with her and say, look, I love you. Your opinion is really important to me. The family is most important. I really want to do this. Before you give me your answer, just hear what I'm about to say, and then let me know tomorrow type of deal.

So that's kind of my advice. And he's like, I remember that clip from Rocky 2. And I'm like, you're hoping this happens. Do you remember the clip on Rocky 2? Where she wakes up from the coma, she tells him to win. Best, best clip ever. Yeah, yeah. That's not happening.

This is not happening for him. happen. She's going to come back. I think I know who you're talking about, too. Yeah, you do know. Yeah, he could skip his competition. He's done plenty of competitions. Go be a dad, bro. Oh, man. That sucks, dude. Yeah, I have another friend who just used BPC and thymus and beta for recovery from shoulder surgery. Wolverine stack. So he's not like a super fitness guy or whatever, just started getting a working out. Had an injury, got surgery on it. And they had to go in and fix impingement, bone spur, a little bit of a repair. And he started taking the peptide stack, and he's, like, reporting to me.

And he's like, my PT doesn't understand. Yeah. They don't understand how I'm recovering and healing so fast. He's like, it's wild. She's like, I'm doing things that I should only be able to do in about four weeks now. It's crazy. I don't think it's an exaggeration at all that we've estimated that it cuts the recovery in 50%. And 50% is ridiculous when you think about that.

In any, in any injury, like half the time to recover. Instead of six months, three months? Mainly so you could do all of the, you know, active work that needs to be done to strengthen you again. It's like it allows you to not being... Have you guys seen the animal studies where they'll take a mouse and they'll sever the Achilles and they'll give some of them the BPC and then some not? It's like 40, 50% faster healing. It's crazy. It's so hard for me to like imagine like that study.

Like a guy with like little tiny, like little tiny, like little razor just like little tiny hands. You have such tiny hands to cut an Achilles to cut. To cut Nikilees on a mouse, you know, and it's like, perfect. Yeah. It's psycho. It's kind of best up up. Mouse is like, I don't know, dude. This is how much I take this.

That's why it takes the mouse studies seriously. Sometimes the mice get lucky and they get the milestone inhibiting, you know? Yeah. Yeah. They get all jacked and stuff. Yeah, that's the good stuff. Justin, we're going to mention Viori, and since you're wearing their shorts right now, I think we should talk about. Those are Viore?

My metas, yeah. These are the meta shorts, yeah. He always wears menace shorts. It's kind of like. They're like the slacks of the group. Yeah. But, yeah, I like just because it's still super stretchy. You work out on them.

Yeah. You can work on them. People give me grief because like, like, uh, because they look like slacks. Yeah, like, khaki stuff. Like, it's funny because I'll do like I was doing some video. I think of people, you know, great and khakis and all this. And I'm like, yeah, it's the stretch. They're, it's just the same as like we're in, you know, any kind of gym.

Well, it looks like they, they look like because, and could you imagine doing that, like in dockers or something like, you know, I would have shredded. I haven't had a hole. Yeah, yeah. They're super stretching and comfortable. Did you wear dickies when you were in high school? What do you think? Yes.

Yeah. You're such a, you're so funny, bro. Did you know? Did I send you the picture? I didn't work dickies. I lived in San Jose. If you wore Dickies in San Jose in the 90s.

Well, I'm like, you were in a game. I was a mountain cholo, dude, all the way. I was just going to say, either you're either a white dude who skates or you're a cholo if you wore dickies in the 90s. You wore dickies in the 90s. I was like destined to be like a mechanic or lumberjack. You were not a skater. No, nobody wore it where I was in a cowboy town.

So it was like, I did whatever everybody else didn't do. You know, so it was like, oh, they're doing that. I'll do something else. Yeah, but you're like, you're dark, too. They think you were a gang? Yeah, yeah. No, I was a bit of, I was a bit of anomaly where I came from, for sure. There's only about six of us.

Did you wear? Did you wear, um, did you wear, um, did you wear? No, no, I didn't go all in like that. I wore like, uh, I've seen you button the thing on the top. Yeah. Just in here. Top and open? Yeah.

That was later. Okay. Yeah, that was later. That was okay later on to do that Not be a gangster So I went through all kinds of things I think gangster's just I saw you know

You know what's coming back right now Janko jeans I know I took a picture I took a picture of a guy in line Where was that? I was coming out of a concert I think Dude hacky sex

Have to be back then I mean let's be honest We're close Because now here's what finally I like that I used to think This is how I know I'm old There's a lot of ways I know

That you're back in style This is one of No That's not it's a style It was like so hip The style comes back. Listen, here's how I know. When I was a kid, I thought Janko's looked awesome.

I did. Everybody did. Yeah. They look ridiculous. I didn't. Now I see them and I'm going to go, man, we look dumb. Hey, so I got to sell out. You don't even see their shoes.

I got to sell out Katrina right now. So Katrina has this girl who does her eyebrows. It's like, let's see here. She's 20, like 29 or something like that. So she's quite a bit younger than we are. And, you know, Katrina comes in and she's like, you've got to get these jeans. She's telling Katrina that. And Katrina's like,

I don't know about this. She's like, no, trust me. This is what's in style, this and that. And she gets her to buy these jeans. And it's like they're back to really baggy. Like the super baggy look, even on girls is, is the look. And she like puts this outfit together. Literally, we put the outfit together.

She's put it on. She's wearing it. She's like, what do you think? I'm like, no, it's hot. You look great. So we go out to, Morgan Hill has like on Friday nights like this, you know, first time we've been to like concert in the park type of deal. It's just packs downtown.

And we hadn't been, we didn't down there with Jason and Danielle. some of that go hang out. It was the funniest thing ever because we're walking in. And I kid you not, at least eight girls walk by and they're wearing the exact same outfit. And the girls were like 16 to 19 years old.

So Katrina was like, never getting to my wearing suit. I'm in style. Yeah, she was more embarrassed, dude. She's like, that's too young. She's like maybe like late 20s, 30s because she's like, you know, I'll pass as my 30s and it was well.

But I don't know what the 16 year olds walking away. Jessica bought a. pair that were kind of like that. And she put them on and she just gave my daughter. She's like, I can't. This is too. It's too young. Yeah.

So now my daughter wears it on. Yeah. Katrina, rocked it for a minute. And then she was like, yeah, no, I'm not. There's a point where you're just like, I'm just going to dress. Is there for girls? For guys, definitely.

We can't do that. No, no, no, no. Girls can do. Especially if you're, if you still look young and I think so. I think you, as a, as a, as a, I think she can't, what she can't do is dress like 20-year-old slutty. That doesn't go over well. You know what I'm saying?

But you can be hit. I feel like you could be in your, I think you could be a woman in our 40s and be hip, dress hip still, slutty, not so much. Well, there's classy. It goes up to classy is what you do. Unless it's Halloween. No, no, even then, even then.

I think that, I think, I think hip is the line. Sluddy is where you cross over. Yeah. And for dudes, you can't even try and look hip if you're in your forest. Or flutty. that'll be really bad that's no like once you once you get over 40 it's like all solid colors ball bait like you can't do you can't do anything crazy and if you do it's all bad no yeah yeah because of the look that doug's giving me i'm going to change topics i like have you guys

seen the guy that held his breath just getting interesting did you see the guy that held his breath for the new world record what is it oh it's like 29 minutes 29 minutes wow he held his breath for this sounds impossible 20 he beat certain aquatic mammals. Yeah. Like a manatee or something. Yeah, dude. 29 minutes. What was the previous record? That's a good question. How do you do that? What is he breathing?

I remember when we were kids, that was a big deal to try and do that. I got to a couple minutes. I used, I would, how do you not have like an aneurysm or something? I actually am really good at that. Yeah, so me too. I can hold my breath a lot in a long time. We should try that. You can? Look at that. What was the previous record? Does it say? Oh, let me see. No. That's crazy. Oh, five minutes longer than the previous record.

So he's got to be able to... He's got to be able to calm his heart rate way down. Yep. Right? And you got to be able to hold a bunch of your breath. So I imagine you'd hold a bunch and then you have to be able to calm your heart rate down like immediately. It's got to be that.

And even then, though, I mean, it's like, what do you get your heartbeat down to 30 beats? And then your huge breath you take in? There's got to be, of course, training and skill. Just fill every inch of his love. There's obviously training involved, but there's a genetic component there for sure. So he must have either a large lung capacity, higher, you know, oxygen concentration, low heart rate. I mean, it's just crazy. He breathed pure oxygen for 10 minutes before.

Oh, pure oxygen. That's cheating. Yeah. That is cheating, isn't it? If I do that, I could do it, too. Yeah, I'm sure. Anybody could do that. Just kidding.

That's wild. That is crazy, right? It's insane. Do you guys remember the movie Abyss? Do you guys remember that? Yeah. Where they were breathing the liquid underwater? They never invented that.

I thought for sure they'd come up with that with like an oxygen liquid so you can go deep under water. You don't remember that? No, I don't remember that part. All right, look, if you want to see if hormone replacement therapy is for you or if you're interested in peptide therapy and you want to go through doctors, you don't want any third party research chemical stuff. You want doctors, you want real pharmacies. Go to mphormones.com. The doctors that will prescribe the best stuff for you and your goals. Again, it's nphorhormones.com.

Back to the show. First question is from Marceale T. Do you think under desk pedal exercises are good enough to replace walking? This is, okay, so here's why I pick this question. There are, there are things that I have completely changed my mind on in fitness. Agreed. From one end to the complete other end. In the past.

I would have laughed at this in the past. I would have laughed so hard if you bought a under the desk pedal thing. Yeah. So you could work on a computer and just move your feet a little bit. And I would have been like, that's dumb, total waste of time. First off, it doesn't replace walking. Walking has additional benefits that this won't provide. Nonetheless, this will improve insulin sensitivity.

Yeah. In fact. So it was fidgeting. Well, the study came out. All you do was do little calf raisins. Yes. So, I mean, that's nothing. They were just doing this and they saw a significant.

I'm always tapping my feet now ever since I. Because of that? Really? Because of that? Oh, yeah. And there's also studies on people that have little ticks and how many more calories they burn in a day and just total movement. So, no, I'm a total fan of this walking down. Yes, our buddy, Brandon Carter, King Keto, he's like, this is what he swears by that keeps him in that ridiculous shape 24-7, is that he just, he's on that bike, three, four times a day.

He doesn't, yeah, anytime he gets on his computer, does work calls. He just sits on a bike. He just has a little station, and he just, and he's like barely moving, but he's pedals. You're just moving. You know, it's funny because, I mean, increases blood flow, improves concentration. I bet if they did a study. It facilitates recovery. Yep.

I bet if they did a study on this. as silly as it sounds, I bet if they did a study on concentration, cognitive performance, productivity, you'd see an improvement. That alone is worth it.

But the other part is insulin sensitivity. Just flexing and relaxing muscles improves your body's ability to suck up the sugar in your blood. It's like a sponge. And it doesn't have to be a workout. This is the crazy part. That study that you're talking about

is even less than what this is. It was people literally just lifting your heels off the floor for like 60. I don't remember how many reps it was, but it wasn't a workout. Yeah. And they saw this great improvement.

So I'm like a super fan of this. Whereas in the past, I would have said this is the dumbest waste of time. No, I agree. I agree. I think people that are trying to do little things like this, this is, especially if you can make this a part of your lifestyle, if you were someone who never did this and you had a desk all day long, and now all of a sudden you do this little pedaling, I think that makes a significant difference in the course of a year.

It's not going to cause all this fat loss. It's not going to cause all this improvement. Well, especially if you add a cupcake that you eat every day. You know what I'm saying to cancel it out. But what it is going to do is improve your health. This will improve your health. It will improve over time, your health, even if you just did this. If you're a desk jockey, like, you know, little things like this is definitely.

And again, and performance at work. This should improve cognitive performance at work because as you control blood sugar, you also operate better. And I think the way this is phrased, I don't think I would use it to replace walking. Right. I think I would just do it all the time. And then when I can walk, extra, I'd still go for a walk. But if it's like it came down to a day where you didn't get a chance to walk, but you at least did that, that's definitely better than not.

Walking is better. Well, walking uses more muscles, obviously. But you also get up and move. You tend to go outside. You have better digestion because of the posture that you have when you're standing. So it isn't a good, it isn't a replacement. But I agree with you, Adam. You know, better a thigh master.

Actually, so it's funny. I got my mom one of these little pedal things for when she's sitting down. Yep, because of this. I mean, my sister swears by the walking desk. I mean, that's another option, too, like that. Next question is from Jason Miller, 56. Is it possible to modify any MAPS program to make it an all-day workout, as you guys have talked about? If so, which ones, and how would you do it?

I have a home gym, and I'm interested in trying it out. So the all-day workout, we've talked about this a few time on the show. So what this would look like is you would do like a few sets in the morning. You'd wait a couple hours, do another few sets, wait a couple hours, do another few sets. essentially every two hours or so, you're doing maybe three to five sets of something. How many exercises would you do? Like, would you do? Well, what anabolic is, you just would spread it out. The way I would do it with the MAPS program is if the exercise calls for three sets, I would do one. So I would do one set of everything and then wait a couple hours, do another set of everything, wait another couple hours, doing another set of everything.

Oh, you wouldn't break it up in body parts. Like just this. No. Oh, okay. No, because repeating the, this is where I found the value is practicing the same exercises throughout the day. This really weird thing happens. About halfway or three quarters of the way through the day, your strength goes up. Yep. It's really weird. So in other words, what this would look like, MAPS and Abolic would be a perfect program for this because it calls for three sets of everything.

So you basically would go MAPS andabolic and you would do one set of each exercise. Come back, a couple hours. A couple hours. One set again. Couple hours later, come back one more time. And you could actually even probably squeeze a fourth one in if you really want to try. I would love for people to experiment with this and report back. This is super not convenient.

This isn't work for most people. but if you're like, you know, I have an all-day thing. I love working out. Test it out. It's really remarkable how the body response is. I think the mistake that most people would make is to do too much. That's right. And try and do three maps and a balloc workouts in a day.

It's like, no, that's not the idea. That'll overdo it real quick. Next question is from Andrew Jervais. Should I change my caloric intake based on lifting days versus non-lifting days? You know, you can. You can. And this is how bodybuilders tend to do it. They tend to eat more on the days when they're going to have the hard.

artist workouts or on the days when they're focusing on a body part that's lagging. This is generally the rule. It's not always the rule, but generally this is what bodybuilders do. I would agree with that. Yeah, that makes sense. You're probably better having higher calories in the days you're active just to improve your performance, just to give you that better performance. So I also like looking at this in the reverse.

In other words, if I'm, yeah, if I had like a, okay, everyone knows that I enjoy the occasional ice cream treat, this thing, which is additional calories in my day. Like four days a week. At times. All right now. So what I do is like, let's say that's something that's in my freezer right now and it's something that I want. Like if I got a really hard workout in that day, like I'm going to.

That's the day you'll eat it. That's the day I'll allow someone like that. If I missed my workout or didn't have much of a workout at all, like that's the day I'm going to go like, tomorrow I can have it. You know, and so that's really good behaviorally speaking. It just has worked really well for me. It's, I'm not telling myself, no, I can't have that thing. it's more so, you know, have I earned those additional calories

and also logically going, okay, I train really hard so I know that if I overconsume a little bit of calories, some of it's going to get partitioned over to recovery and building muscle. So that's the time I'm going to do that. So I actually like thinking this in the reverse versus like, oh, today, I mean, bodybuilder me thought like the other way. Like bodybuilder me, I'm so planned.

What days would you have the highest calories for you? So when I was doing back legs. Yeah, big body parts. If I was going to go, and typically deadlifting and squatting is where I'd fuel the most. because I was really trying to push deadlift and squat. So the days that I was deadlifting are squatting, I would fuel those days.

Now, that made sense because I'm mapping out every meal, I'm tracking everything. In real life today, where I'm not measuring, I'm not tracking it, way. I just go, like, hey, I trained really hard today. Like, I can enjoy, or like, let's say Katrina is craving a burger and fries. Like, if she tells me today when I come home, like, hey, I'm feeling like burger and fries today,

what do you feel like? And I'm like, ah, I didn't get. a chance to get my lift in today. Let's not do that today. Or let's say I go, oh, man, I got a great lift today. Like, yeah, let's go ahead. Let's have that. So I've just, that's how I manage that when I'm not tracking is I allow those things that I know that are going to be putting me in a caloric surplus without even tracking. I know it's going to put me a caloric surplus on days that I not train. Now, that being said, for most people, it's not that big of a difference. So what I mean by that is if you're having, if you're struggling eating the right foods and being consistent

and getting good sleep, don't pay attention to this. Sometimes people get caught up. in the less important things, and they sacrifice the more important things. So what we're talking about is, like, you've already checked all the other boxes. Now you can start playing with this a little bit. Next question is from Deanna Daily Flow. Have you worked with anyone with hypermobility?

I just take my training slow and controlled, and I can't move fast or it leads to injury. I'm wondering if there is one program that is best to start with. I do a lot of stability exercises to start each morning to help. Symmetry. Starder. symmetry with isometrics oh the isometrics and symmetry yeah but starter would be also uh would also

be just for the yeah stability have you guys uh do you guys remember the first time you worked with the hypermobility yeah yeah i had a handful i had a handful in my my entire career yeah no they're they're crazy to watch watch some squat and like the legs all kind of wobble and go drop all the way to super low like no super yeah they're all over the place yeah so your your flexibility the the ability your muscles to stretch and extend is controlled by central nervous system. So hypermobility is when the central nervous system for whatever reason isn't stabilizing you very well. So you're like hyperflexible. Like I had, I remember one woman I trained, one of the first people I trained with hypermobility. She could be in any position.

He could like bend herself in any position, but she was also weak, which caused instability. And this was a bit of a learning curve for me. One of the things that was effective was is is asymmetrics because there is no movement. It's just tension. And the second thing I did is I limited the range of motion. This is something you almost never do with a client. You almost never limit a range of motion if someone can reach it. But with her, I would have her squat to parallel. Yeah, box squats.

Straight 90s. That's where I actually would stay fun in that. I would stop everything far short of her range of motion, and we would pause the reps. So for this person here, you're going to do, you know, you're going to do shorter reps. You're going to pause at the bottom, pause at the top. You're not going to move quickly. In fact, hypermobility and power is a bad combination. You're asking for injury.

And you're literally limiting a range of motion. So if you hear us talk about like full range of motion, full squats, like full shoulder press, this is not for you. For you, it's like when you're doing your shoulder press, you're stopping at your nose. When you're doing your bench press, you're not going all the way down to your chest. When you're doing your squat, you're stopping at 90,

and you're holding that bottom position and creating tension. You need to create more intrinsic tension. That's right. That's the goal. And that helps improve stability. and mobility. And if you get, and when it's time to go lower,

only when you start to master those ranges of motion, but it can take a while. Hypermobility also is correlated with a challenging, getting stronger. Getting stronger while your hypermobile is very difficult because of the CNS signal.

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