Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2682: Nine Fitness Coaches That Should Be Fired

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

 Nine Fitness Coaches That Should Be Fired There’s no better thing than a GOOD personal trainer or coach. (1:25) Nine Fitness Coaches That Should Be Fired #1 - The hype machine. (3:53) #2 �...�� Shame guy. (8:38) #3 - Intensity over technique. (11:10) #4 - The low-calorie solves everything person. (13:59) #5 – The absent coach. (16:01) #6 – Everything, but the kitchen sink all at once coach. (18:04) #7 - All they do is talk, never listen. (20:00) #8 - Know everything guy. (23:02) #9 - Treats you like a competitor. (25:00) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Eight Sleep for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump Listeners! ** Use the code MINDPUMP to get $350 off your very own Pod 5 Ultra. The best part is that you still get 30 days to try it at home and return it if you don’t like it – – Shipping to many countries worldwide. ** Muscle Mommy Movement Quiz Mind Pump #1622: Nine Signs Your Trainer Sucks Mind Pump #2587: This is What a Great Trainer Looks Like With Ben Bruno Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources  

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind Pump, Mind Pump with your hosts. Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the most downloaded fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Today's episode. We talk about fitness coaches and trainers that should be fired if your trainer falls under one of these categories. It's time to give them their notice and find somebody else.
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Starting point is 00:01:19 It's totally free. Musclemommiemovement.com forward slash quiz. Here comes a show. Fitness coaching, both virtual and in person, like personal training. has exploded. It's a growing field. There's more people interested today than there was just last year
Starting point is 00:01:37 and the year before and the year before. But there's a problem. A good coach can have profound benefits on your fitness and health. A bad one, equally negative. Today we're going to talk about the nine fitness coaches that need to be fired. If you listen to this episode
Starting point is 00:01:52 and your coach falls under one of these categories, kindly let them know you'll be finding someone else. Stay away from these. characters. Let's do it. Actually, this is cool because we get a lot of questions around how do I, you know, know I have a good coach or a bad coach or what to look for. So hopefully as we go through your list, I think you got nine, right? Let you go through here. We can go through, you know, all the bad qualities or traits of these nine coaches. Yeah, 100%. And, you know, what I said in the intro, you know, a good, there's nothing like a good personal trainer,
Starting point is 00:02:27 or good coach when it comes to health and fitness. There is no better guarantee that you can get if you want to lose weight or get healthy or fit or strong or build muscle and you want to be able to maintain it for the rest of your life. You want to figure this out for yourself so that you can always do it. You can do it forever. There is nothing that comes close to a good coach. Best investment, hands down.
Starting point is 00:02:50 Period. There's nothing. Nothing comes close to having that guide that can really bring you on this journey and set you up for the rest of your life. but on the other side of this are bad coaches and bad coaches ruin this for people. In fact, bad coaches are worse for people than no coaches. Bad coaches have this,
Starting point is 00:03:09 what they tend to do with people is they tend to do things the wrong way. So wrong, even if the person gets results, by the way. Wrong doesn't mean they don't get results. Wrong can sometimes mean the person gets results and gets back out of shape because of how it was done the first place. What they often do is get somebody to the point where they don't ever want to try again. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:03:28 You know, trying to get somebody, and I'll speak from personal experience as a personal trainer, it's easier to get somebody who's never worked with a trainer to hire me than it is to get somebody who's hired three or four bad trainers to then hire me because they've had such bad experiences. And so, yeah, this is something we're very passionate about because this is our space.
Starting point is 00:03:48 So good trainer, worth their weight in gold, bad trainer. Who, run as fast as you can. I mean, I like you start right out the gates with one that I think is going to be a little bit of controversy because I think, inherently, I think people want a little bit of this. They're drawn to this guy. Yeah. That's right.
Starting point is 00:04:05 That's right. It's the hype machine. This is the guy or girl where everything is about motivation, inspiration, and excitement, which is great at first. The problem is the feeling of motivation is a feeling. It will fade. It always does. It just doesn't, you can't be motivated all the time.
Starting point is 00:04:24 It doesn't work that way. And so this trainer really does a terrible job because what they tend to do with people is through trying to keep them motivated and hyped. They try so many different things. They end up burning the person out. The person stops and never comes back. They're gone because they never help the client figure out how to do this when they're not motivated. Because here's a true statement. I've never had to convince a motivated client to exercise.
Starting point is 00:04:51 I've never had a motivated client go off the rails with diet. it's when they're not motivated that it becomes a challenge. So now the answer isn't to hire somebody who motivates you all the time because that's impossible. It doesn't exist. And this hype machine person causes more injuries and problems than almost any other coach. And again, we see this in social media quite a bit. You see these trainers or these types that are all about like, make it happen.
Starting point is 00:05:19 You can, you know, beast mode. You never stop. You know, and it's just a terrible message for long-term, success. Yeah, I think this of all the ones that you created will be the most difficult for people to understand or to see because I think this is attractive. I think if you're a consumer and you are inspired to make change and you come across a very inspiring or motivational type of trainer, that's attractive. Yep. Especially in that moment. Especially in that moment of I need to make change, I'm not happy where I'm at, that guy seems like he's awesome. I want, I mean,
Starting point is 00:06:00 he's full of energy and he says all the cool quotes and, you know, like, they're going to be drawn to this character. So this is probably, I think, the most difficult of all the ones you're going to talk about on seeing through this. And I think what you're, what you're looking for is, because it's like, oh, so what do you go for? The opposite of that, someone who's not motivating or not like, so it's like, but what you're looking for is somebody who leans more. on behavioral change and discipline over hype and motivation. Well, I look at them a little bit, too. It's more of like a drug dealer in a sense.
Starting point is 00:06:35 They're dealing out the drug. Yeah, the person coming in is like, you know, they're looking for this external motivation and this supplier of motivation. I can't generate this myself. It's like a very passive role that they're playing in this. Why it's so attractive, right? It's like they can continuously. feed me this motivation drug when I show up and it's just like it doesn't it just burns out and it
Starting point is 00:06:59 doesn't continue to benefit no and by the way most trainers start off as hype machines yeah this is what you think you're supposed to be as a personal trainer one of the I'll paint a scenario right you're 30 pounds overweight you see a picture of yourself oh my god that's it I got to do something about this and so of course there's a self-hate going on I'm disgusted hate myself that's it I'm going to do something, and you've got this, like, extreme negative rooted motivation, right? I hate myself. Don't like the way I look. Now I'm motivated.
Starting point is 00:07:28 So you're looking for somebody to feed that. It doesn't last. It doesn't last for a couple different reasons. One, motivation, all motivation is a feeling. And eventually it goes away. What do you do then? And two, if you've got that negative motivation and someone fuels that, well, you can't hate yourself into better health, at least not in the long term. It just doesn't work that way.
Starting point is 00:07:47 hating yourself leads to over training, injury, over dieting, and then eventually rebelling in the opposite direction. Yeah, it masks a lot of natural signals your body's telling you that you need to adjust intensity. You need to adjust certain things and maybe change course with your training, but you're not going to be receptive to that if you're always about pushing through and hyping your way. By the way, you know who else burns out is the hype machine trainer themselves.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Oh, yeah. So when I would hire trainer like this, and I'd see this in them, I'd coach them out of it because I was like, I'd tell them, you're going to be burnt out. You can't keep trying to hype every client you train for long. You're going to last a year to max. And after that, you're going to hate your job. I just picture this trainer after he's other work around the corner smoking a cigarette and just like, oh, God. I don't know if I could do another day. Totally 100%.
Starting point is 00:08:38 Next up is the shame, shame, shame guy or girl. This is the trainer that when you make a mistake, you miss. a workout, you ate a meal or whatever, you went off your diet, that they shame you into, trying to shame you back into shape. This is terrible. What this leads to eventually is you not wanting to really talk to your trainer and tell them what you're struggling with. If you have a trainer that you're afraid to tell that you messed up, or if you feel like,
Starting point is 00:09:08 oh, man, I'm going to tell my trainer I did this and this is going to just, oh, man, I'm not going to like it. You'll start hiding things from them. Or what will happen is maybe you like this because there's a little bit of a cathartic feeling when you're hating yourself, right? You hate yourself. So now my trainer tells me,
Starting point is 00:09:23 I'm a piece of crap and I'm lazy too. And I like that at first. Eventually that gets old and here's what happens to you. You just stop seeing them. And I've seen this before. I know the shame trainers. What happens is they'll get a clientele that sticks for a bit and then they just ghost them.
Starting point is 00:09:39 They just disappear because they don't want to see them anymore because they themselves are like, I hate the shame spiral type of thing. This is like leaders that manage out of fear. It's kind of similar. It's like you get like a little bit of positive feedback that it works because initially when you lead from fear, people are afraid to lose their job. And so they do what they tell you to.
Starting point is 00:09:58 So you think, oh, that's a good approach. That's kind of how like the shame game works in coaching is like if I shame the client, there's a part of them that knows that. And then they'll try and be better because they don't want to fail me again. And so it gets you a little bit further. But it won't get you all the way there. And eventually this is exactly what will happen. And that's the client, or the trainer that uses the shame like that, the clients disappear.
Starting point is 00:10:20 They don't call. They don't do it. They just don't want to, they don't want to see you anymore. They don't know how to, they don't know how to break up with you. You don't know what shame leads to, by the way, is eventually it leads to, you know, self-medication with food, lack of activity. This is what often gets people in the cycle or spiral of weight gain, weight loss, weight gain, weight loss.
Starting point is 00:10:40 It's the shame that's beyond. I'll put it differently. like, if you screw up on your diet or you miss a week of workouts, the first person you should want to talk to is your trainer, not the last person. If you screw up on your diet and you're like, oh, man, I just ate. Yeah, I'm going to get berated for this. I just ate an entire box of Oreo cookies. I need to call my trainer.
Starting point is 00:11:02 That's a good trainer versus, oh, my God, don't tell John what I just did. I'm not going to let them know what happened because then I'm going to hear it. Next up is the trainer or coach that prioritizes intensity over technique. This is an easy one to spot, right? It's about just do the reps, complete the reps. They're not watching your technique in form, making sure it's perfect. Exercise is only as effective as the way that they're performed. Okay, so I'll repeat that.
Starting point is 00:11:27 The better you can perform an exercise or the better the technique is, the more you're going to get out of it. Intensity is never better than technique. When you start to sacrifice technique for intensity, not only do you not get better results, You get worse results, but your risk of injury goes through the roof. And you just give yourself enough time and you'll see yourself. Eventually, you'll get an injury.
Starting point is 00:11:46 And you can pick these coaches and trainers out in the gym because you can watch what they're doing. And they're just like, five more, four more, keep going, keep going. And there really is no focus on the form. Yeah, a lot of times go hand in hand with the motivation person. That's right. Yeah. And this is, again, there's a few of these characteristics or avatars that you've built that I think will feel, yeah, crossover or they'll be appealing to people. This is another one. A lot, I mean, how many clients do you guys remember having that
Starting point is 00:12:14 thought they needed that or thought they wanted that? They wanted the punishment. They wanted that wasn't hard enough. I mean, I can't remember how many clients I remember having to talk to where I catch them going and doing a workout after a workout because they think they needed more. And so a lot of times clients think that they need to be sweating and burning and they're walking out, limping out of the gym. And if they didn't, they didn't have a good workout. So this is another one. that I think many times the consumer is drawn to thinking it's actually better. Some of these are like, oh, yeah, I don't want a coach like that. But some of these are like, oh, wait, I thought that's a good thing.
Starting point is 00:12:49 Yeah. And so this is another one of those. This is why it's your job if you're a good coach to educate your client on this. You know, like, why do you want a hire a trainer? Oh, I need somebody to kick my butt. Yeah. I mean, I've even heard that. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:59 That's a common one. And it's like, what do you mean by kick your butt? You literally want me to kick your butt or do you want to have good results? And so a good trainer or coach would educate the client on, what actually produces good results. And technique, when it comes to exercise, is everything. Superior. It's everything.
Starting point is 00:13:16 By the way, you know what this looks like, this intensity over technique? If you ever watch a strength training group exercise class, that's a great example of intensity over technique. Body pump or whatever. Everybody's in the class and they're just, it's like, that doesn't matter what exercise you're doing. You're just moving. So you might as well just sit in the corner to do jumping jacks.
Starting point is 00:13:31 And that's literally true, by the way. It's actually better because your risk of injury is lower than the people doing 15 exercise in row with no form. or technique whatsoever just to get the reps in. Yeah. That's what that looks like. It goes such hand in hand with that motivation. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:45 Yeah, because the only way you can get through a lot of these like reps is if somebody's like hounding you to get through it. And it's, again, yeah, it's attractive to most people. They don't know that it's, yeah, not beneficial. Biggest loser strength training look like this. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly like that.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Next up is the low calorie solves everything in person. Oh, you're not losing enough weight? Drop your calories. Yeah. Oh, you plateaued? Drop your calories. And it starts getting really. ridiculous. These are people that I would have to try to fix. They have one button. Yeah, they'd come to me and
Starting point is 00:14:15 they'd be like, you know, I lost 20 pounds. I had 15 more to go. I plateaued. And I'm like, what were your calories at? Like, where are you at? Oh, I'm at 1100 calories. Okay. We can't go any lower. Yeah. We got to bring this up and figure something else out. Low calorie. You know, calorie deficit is how you lose weight, but a deficit just means a deficit. It doesn't mean your calories get so low that it's unsustainable, and now you're sacrificing things like energy and lifestyle to the point where it's just like, this isn't happening. I can create a deficit by speeding up your metabolism, building muscle, making things more efficient. When your calories get so low to where it's like, this is just unbearable, yeah, we got to figure this out. We had a nickname for this coach. It was the
Starting point is 00:15:00 Jenny Craig coach, and I'm dating myself a little bit, but 20 years ago, that was so popular of a diet and it's a point system, and it's completely built around just eating less. And so the trainers that either one had gone through that and had success with weight loss themselves or had seen people have success with that. So that was like their go-to move was just like turned everything in. Even if they weren't using Jenny Craig's diet or thing, they would just, they make everything into just as low as possible, like a point system. And if I could just get these clients to eat as low calorie, they'll lose the weight.
Starting point is 00:15:35 And so that was the go-to strategy. And again, here's another one of these things where initially this kind of can work. I mean, you get somebody who eats terrible and you tell them, hey, you only get to eat 1,500 calories or less. And they do that consistently. They will lose weight. Unfortunately, it's not sustainable. And what, 80, 90% of those people gain it all back. But it tends to be a go-to move for the trainers that have had a lot of weight loss success through just calorie cutting.
Starting point is 00:16:00 That's right. Next up is the absent coach. So this is typically the virtual coach. who sends you the workout, the macros, or whatever. And then you're not really getting any coaching. So this is like the chat, GBT coach. You might as well go with chat GBT and get your nutrition and exercise advice. They're just absent.
Starting point is 00:16:21 You're just not getting much coaching whatsoever. In which case, I say, why did you hire them in the first place? Where's the value? And this, you know, the space started trending this way a little bit. I think it's moving out of this, out of this direction because people kind of saw like this doesn't work. But there was a second there. It was a little while there where there was a lot of virtual coaching. A lot of influencers kind of started this whole thing. Yes. Called out. Because it's like this is a lot of times the consumer, it's really it's their fault because they're the ones
Starting point is 00:16:49 approaching this, this influencer, this person looks great. I want to look just like you. Then they take them on as a client. Then they take everybody on as a client. And then they try to kind of bring people in and figure it out, but you're not getting good service at all. This wasn't an avatar until online coaching. This didn't exist. I mean, when you, back in the days, when you trained someone, you couldn't be absent. You had to show up to their point. They were. They'd be like, what are you doing?
Starting point is 00:17:10 Yeah, yeah. So that didn't exist until then. And it is, I would say, this is the most popular one now for the point that Justin's bringing up is that you get all this fame and attention online for your body. And you've got a million people following you. And these trainers are, they have 100 clients, 500 clients. I mean, it's wild what you hear some of these internet trainers are, it's like, dude, I remember when my book, when you get around like 25 clients, that's a lot of people to manage.
Starting point is 00:17:39 To manage. To offer them good value. Yes. To really be able to help them individualize things, to be constantly tweaking. Managing 25 is a lot. Managing 50, 100, some of these hundreds of people. They're just sending on emails. Yeah. You're getting, you're getting a generic program, you know, a generic diet sent to you. And so, yeah, this is that coach. And that coach didn't exist until, you know, online coaching really popular. up next is the everything but the kitchen sink all at once coach like you hire them and it's like boom diet program sleep regimen supplement it's like everything all at once this is a surefire way to fail this was me there's a couple of these that fit me as the early trainer yeah this was me man i got a new client i'm giving you excited all the answers yeah yeah oh just follow all this stuff and we're going to fix this terrible way to coach because this is good guaranteed way to make somebody fail. Yeah, this one to me is, again, we have these ones where I feel like that will be attractive to the consumer. Then there's, these are the ones that like tend to,
Starting point is 00:18:43 you like, oh my God, right away, you'll be turned. Most people are like, this is too much. Unless you're maybe that person, like your engineers like tend to be like this. They want very. Your Strava people. Yeah, all the detail, all the things. There's a small percentage of you. Most people are like, they get all the things and like, oh my God, I didn't realize I'm going to have to do all of these things. And so you'll feel like that from this trainer, right? And if you, if you, the reason why this doesn't work is because that's just not how it works. That's not how you develop behaviors and not how you, you lead to a way of doing this for the rest of your life. This is, this is all the answers to the test, but you'd never figured out how to do the work.
Starting point is 00:19:22 And so now you go into the real world and you're like, oh, cool, you have a degree in this. And you're like, yeah, because I had all the answers. Like, cool, go figure out this problem. I don't know how to figure out the problem. Give me the answer. actually done it doesn't work this way a good coach meets you where you're at you have to be met where you're at and they have to step by step uh this process so that you can develop these uh disciplines you can develop these behaviors work through them figure out what works what doesn't work and it's a
Starting point is 00:19:48 process and that's the only way it's a real art that's right you know with good coaches to know what to present and what time to present it and to give them just enough so it gives them the work so they can get wins along the way that's right uh next up is the trainer or coach that only talks and never listens. They love to tell you everything and what's going to happen, but they're not asking questions. You know, every time you ask a trainer or a coach a question, it's a good coach will typically ask you a question back
Starting point is 00:20:15 because they need it more information. This is just a fact. Hey, what's the best exercise for glutes? Okay, well, what part are you glutes you're looking to work on? What does your workout current look like? Hey, what's the best form of cardio? Which one do you enjoy doing the most? When's the best time to work out during the day for fat loss?
Starting point is 00:20:31 well let me know what your schedule looks like and let's talk about this a little bit like what's the best food for this what's a a good coach is asking a lot of questions to get more information to really figure this out for you the person that just talk talk talk talk talk talk uh it's like going to a mechanic with your with your car and the mechanic doesn't even ask you what's wrong cool we'll fix your car we'll see you later it's like I didn't know what to do this actually reminds me of a story of a trainer that worked for me so we've talked about this before the like when you get a sometimes, man, with clients, sometimes you might just go for a walk with them, right? Or maybe an hour session does end up being like a real deep, like personal therapy type
Starting point is 00:21:10 of session, like that you get these when, and you, as a good coach and trainer, you'll know when it happens and you'll feel it and, you know, you get, you get to a point where sometimes a workout could look like that, but they're rare, right? It's like, it's not a common thing. I remember I had a trainer who like, and I remember giving them that a free. that like, yeah, no, definitely you have a client that you can tell is going through something in stress, not sleeping, personal stuff like that. You beating them up in the gym as a disservice to them. You're walking to them and maybe, you know, hearing them out and talking to them and stuff
Starting point is 00:21:41 like that may be something that's far more beneficial and healthy for them in that moment. And so like absolutely as a leader, I'm like, I'm not going to tell you not to do that. And then I remember that that this trainer I'm thinking of right now, you know, it became like a, you know, almost every workout she was sitting in the back corner like, you know, Indian style with their client and they're just like talking for the hour and like you can't possibly have that many clients that yeah it turned into like she figured out that oh my god like these people love to talk and they would go in this back area and you know you're talking oh dude and it was just like a constant like you're hanging out with your client too far yeah you're exactly too far we're gonna do
Starting point is 00:22:19 some work yeah yeah you actually have to get these people live ways they can't all be in that place the same place where they don't need to work out and so there is there are those trainers that And I feel like this trainer, likable, personable trainer, you know, they enjoy talking. And a lot of clients, you know, they're not going to tell you what the move along the workout. So many times you have these trainers who are so, you know, unaware of the situation that they just end up sitting. Or they'll sit on one machine and they'll talk the whole hour on that one piece of equipment. Yeah, yeah. So it's kind of all the same.
Starting point is 00:22:55 And it's all due to the spinning more talking. than they are listening and moving them through the workout. Then you have the know-everything guy. This is a trainer that never says, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Let me figure that out for you. A good coach or a good trainer. You may find the one in a million trainer or coach who's got so much experience
Starting point is 00:23:16 and knowledge that they just know a lot of things. But most trainers and coaches know some stuff, they're good at what they know. But what they also know, what they should know is they should know people who know things that they don't that they could refer to. That's what a good coach is. So when you ask them a question about gut health or sleep and they're like, you know what, let me find out for you. I know somebody who I think might have the answer, that's a good coach or trainer.
Starting point is 00:23:41 The know-it-all person oftentimes will give advice that is wrong because it's out of their scope. They just don't want to admit it. They're insecure. I would throw in this category because I think it's the same guy or girl as this, which is the heavy science person. This is the person that every time they ask. answer you, they reference a study or they, you know, talk in those terms versus maybe their
Starting point is 00:24:03 experience of what they've seen or had, had done in the past, or it does may not always align with a study. But the heavy science nerd or the fresh out of, you know, getting their master's degree, uh, kid is like, this is how they talk. They communicate as if their professor was talking to them. They talk to their clients that way. I would put that person in this, this category too. And that's in debt to me, if you're always communicating from that person, perspective, like, that's a red flag that, okay, maybe this trainer knows a lot, book smarts, but maybe they haven't had a lot of experience with a lot of people like me and train people like me.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Well, yeah, initially the client that's going in might be wowed by your knowledge, your terminology, and know that you have, like, a good educational background. But then, like, when you keep going, the relatability really drifts off. And it's like you can't really connect based on, like, real life things that you're coming in with because you know you're just going to get talked at. Totally. And then lastly, the trainer that treats you like a competitor, these tend to be coaches and trainers that compete themselves.
Starting point is 00:25:06 And so you hire them to lose weight. And this is a ex-bodybuilder, maybe a current bodybuilder, a physique competitor, bikini competitor. And they're treating you like a competitor with macros and diet and cardio and strength training. And it's going to be this way. And look, I think they have value when they're training competitors who are competing for a specific, you know, goal, like I have a competition coming up.
Starting point is 00:25:30 But for the average person, the last thing you should do is train like a competitor or eat like a competitor. That is not, that's not sustainable for competitors. Competitors don't even do that all the time. They do only when they compete. And so if their advice is coming from, look, my experience is training bikini competitors, bodybuilders, and physique competitors, and your Mrs. Johnson, you don't have any desire to do that.
Starting point is 00:25:51 You just want to lose weight, like, probably not the best trainer for you. This is actually really common in the trainer competitor space, meaning if you are a trainer that's competed, because you've seen it work at the highest level, therefore you apply it to all these clients. And your clients come in sometimes with goals like that. Like, hey, I want to be ripped or I want to look great in a bikini. You're like, dude, I have the formula for it.
Starting point is 00:26:14 Trust me, I've done it. You know, I've been on stage. I've done this. I've taken people. And so therefore, they apply that way of training to everybody. So it's really common when you get in the, this has gotten bigger today with Instagram and how many online coaches that we have because it seems like anybody who took themselves through a competition and did at all remotely good
Starting point is 00:26:35 is now a coach and coaching people. And so then they turn around and they basically do the same thing with all of the clients that they did with themselves. And man, unless you're training a competitor, that's a failing strategy for most clients. Most clients, I mean, one of the most common things that I found being in that space was, boy, maybe some of these people didn't understand diet that much. Maybe some of them were their programming, they're good, but their discipline
Starting point is 00:27:00 and their sacrifice was insane. And so it takes a very unique person to be able to compete and get on stage. And if you think that that's the average avatar, you're crazy. Like, very few people are that regimen and discipline. And if you approach
Starting point is 00:27:17 training your clients, the same way you approach getting ready for a show or getting another client ready for a show, you're going to have these kind of coaches. oftentimes destroy people's metabolism. They crash their bodies. They destroy people's hormones because that's what competition does.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Getting ready to be on stage is a very unhealthy way to diet and exercise. And you apply to the average. These are people we'd have to heal. I'm so glad you're bringing this up because one of the hallmarks of a bad coach and I guess you would fit him in this category is taking a client and putting them on an
Starting point is 00:27:54 extreme diet when they're not in a good place metabolically. That's right. And so I don't even care. I had people that wanted to compete and I could get them ready for show that I would refuse just because I knew they weren't metabolically ready. I'd do an assessment of their diet and I'd be like, you're eating 16, 1,700 calories. You're at 25, 30% body fat. You want me to get you on stage?
Starting point is 00:28:17 You know where to go. No way. And they would give me a date. Like, oh, I want to go ready for November or whatever show. I'm like, in 12 weeks or 16 weeks, I'm like, in 12 weeks or 16 weeks, I'm like, yeah, no, not happening. I already know where you're at currently right now that I can't just put you on a diet where some of these coaches or a lot of these coaches will take somebody from that
Starting point is 00:28:35 position. So that in itself is a major red flag. They get clients afterwards with hormone profiles that are wrecked with health issues that they end up causing. And then we end up having, you know, we work. Sometimes they are callers, by the way. Sometimes we have callers that are calling in. Yes, happens a lot.
Starting point is 00:28:50 That came out of that. And they're like, yeah, I didn't get a period for a year or two years afterwards. I destroyed my metabolism. What do I do? We've got to reverse them and help them out because they were treated like a competitor when they definitely shouldn't have been. I'm so glad you're saying this right now because I didn't even think about talking about this.
Starting point is 00:29:05 And I do think this is such an important time to bring this up because there's a lot of people that think that signing up for a bikini contest or a show is a good idea to get themselves in shape. And there's a lot of coaches that will take those people's money even though they shouldn't. So one way to know, and I don't know if this falls in this coach or not, but if you've ever considered doing that and your coach doesn't do like some sort of a metabolic test with you or get an idea of where your current calories are before they put you on a competitive diet, a huge red flag right away because that was the first thing
Starting point is 00:29:42 I would do when someone, someone asked me that, hey, I want to do a show in X amount of time. I say, okay, well, check your food for the next two weeks. Let me see kind of where you're at. And when I would see these people at 1,500, 1,600 calories and a long way to go from stage ready, there's no way I would do that. My integrity wouldn't allow me to do that. I feel like a good coach will always do that first before they would just take that person's money. Look, if you like Mind Pump, come find us on Instagram. We'll see what's at Mind Pump media.
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