Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2719: Non-Obvious Ways That Fitness Impacts Your Life in a Positive Way

Episode Date: November 1, 2025

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I'm talking right now, hit pause, head on over to mindpustor.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. Working out and fitness makes you leaner, stronger. You look amazing. Better athleticism. But you know that there's a lot of ways proven by data that are clearly impacted in positive ways in your entire life.

There's a lot of weird ways people don't even know that fitness will improve dramatically. In fact, oftentimes better than almost anything else we're going to talk about those ways right now. Is there a list you have? I can take a guess at? Yeah, I want us to guess. We know, I think we're going to know all of them, most of them.

But what I did is I went on and I did some research on the most data-supported, non-obvious ways that fitness impacts people's lives. So this is obviously strength, stamina. That's not that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like stuff like sex, work, relationships, stuff like that. Let's back up. Back up.

Let's start with your first one. go. Let's go. Let's start with your first one. How many we got? How many we got? Well, I have nine here that I listed that have like really crazy data supporting. You mentioned what was the first one that you said? Sexual health. Yep. Yes. Sexual health. So in the data on this is pretty remarkable. People, when they improve their fitness, you have these objective measures that seem to improve. So women achieve orgasm easier. The amount of and type of intimacy improves. In other words, sexual frequency goes up.

Plus, when people are intimate with each other, they report that it's a better bonding. It's closer. Erection, you know, start to improve in terms of, you know,

how many erections, blood flow, all that stuff. It is actually, if, again, if you look at the data of all the things you can do to improve your sex life

aside from, so I'm going to be careful here, aside from, improving your relationship, right? Because if you have a terrible relationship, it ain't going to help. Aside from that, nothing is better than improving your health. Those are, those are like physiological markers that we can actually measure, test, improve. I would make the argument, there's a large psychological component to that also. Huge. It's, Katrina, it teases me all the time that, you know, the minute I'm in my, my rhythm of routine,

and I don't even have to make that big of a change. I mean, I just, kidding back on my routine, all of a sudden I'm brushing my teeth naked. I'm walking. I feel more confident. I hate the video that I just got to hear you back every time. That's why I do that. Oh, come on, bro. Get that out of my head. You know. Or yeah, or my Winnie the Pooh. Or I got my Winnie the Pooh left. You know what I'm saying? That's my go-to move. But no, really, like all seriousness. Like, that's a, uh, it's something I remember actually connecting those dots, uh, with Katrina during, in our, in 15 years, we've been together. and having that conversation of like, you know, just me training.

It's crazy. It doesn't even necessarily I have to have this crazy different look to me. It's just strength training and lifting. I think my posture's up better and I feel better. And so I just carry myself better. And that just translates into me being more in the mood and wanting to be like it's just, and that's, I can't show that or measure that with blood work or prove that. But I definitely see the psychological.

Psychology study show that. They actually show that. Fitness dramatically improves. All those things that we would connect to good intimacy, connection, self-image, frequency, all that stuff. Just, you know, this satisfaction you get from it. They all improve through better fitness. It's funny, you remind me of some,

I remember getting, this used to take me back, or I'd be taken aback from these comments, from clients. And the people that would comment on this, I'll just be very clear, were almost always my, my female clients over the age of 60. They would feel, now keep in mind when I was training these women, I was in my 20s, and I would develop a relationship with them where they would often look at me like their grandson.

In fact, they would often say that. They'd introduce me as, oh, this is my other grandson. And so they just felt very comfortable saying things to me. There was no, like, malintent or weirdness, okay? So I'll just preface it. But the comment that what I would get from them, and they would be very tactful when they would, the way they would present this, but they'd say to me, in other words, words that their libido and sex life improved. And this was almost consistent. This was like

consistent across the board. They would come tell me and say things like, I remember the first time I heard this. One of my clients came to me. I can remember, I don't want to say her name, but I remember who it was. And she says, Sal, um, does fitness affect, this was how she started. Does it affect other things in your life? I'm like, like energy and stuff. No, no, not energy, but you know, like other things. And I'm like, what do you mean? She's like, you know, like things with my husband. And I'm like, oh, are you noticing a difference? Like, oh, yeah, my husband's commenting.

And she's like, does fitness do that? I'm like, I think it does. And then, of course, through the years of training, it was very consistent that they would comment that it would improve their intimacy, which is remarkable. All right, what's another one that you guys can think of? Well, I mean, obviously productivity. You accomplish things consistently like training.

So you realize that you can overcome a lot of, adversity, objections. It's just like, it's a mindset that you keep building and fostering that totally bleeds into like work and getting things done. Is that, is that isolated as productivity? Or is it, I feel like Justin almost named two right there in one. Is it, is it isolated to that? To productivity. Yeah, what is the actual, what is the, what did you list? Yes. So, yes, increases productivity. So this is how clear of a benefit it is. In fact, we should present this to companies when we were tried to sell, we're called corporate memberships. So if corporate memberships, like you go to a company, you talk to the CEO, whoever is in charge of this stuff,

and oftentimes it wasn't the CEO, but it was someone who's in charge of doing this, and you would ask them to pay for a corporate membership. Yeah, which would allow their employees to work out at your gym for either free or a great discount. And so when you present this, what you would bring is data to show them how it affects their bottom line. And the, for every dollar, this is what the data shows, for every dollar that was invested in a health and wellness type program that resulted in people actually participating. And gym memberships was one of the best investments. When they did that, for every dollar invested, they would get $2 back in productivity. Yeah. Two dollars back. Measureable. It also would reduce the

amount of sick days in the year that's included in that. Yeah. So sick days, all that stuff. I don't know how many things you can do as a company where you put a dollar and you get $2 back. It's actually taking a really long. You see definitely today a lot more companies that have those budgets. It is way more popular, but still not, I mean, I just remember when we used to do it.

And that was 20 years ago. Yes, exactly. We had that data. And I always thought it was so crazy that not every employer like offered something like that for their employees. More due today than ever. But I still think there's a large percentage that don't. Yeah, it's interesting, too, because I know in some culture, I know Japan, for example, has implemented exercise as part of their routines.

This is actually a cultural thing where they'd get all the employees out together in the morning and they do calisthenics or something to get everybody on. First thing, get everybody on the same page. There's so much to that. And then also breaking up the day. If you're sitting too much, like to, you know, revamp everybody's motivation. But I, so I had, I'm sure you guys have had this experience. I had clients that hired me for health reasons, like either my wife made me come or the doctor had a bad, you know, report for my doctor, so I got to be here. And then they stayed because they saw better productivity at work.

I had one guy in particular sticks out. Jim was his name. And he was a self-made multi-millionaire. I mean, this guy was a remarkable gentleman. And he was at the time in his 60s. And he was totally self-made, like dropped out of high school. Like, great story. And he hired me because his wife was like,

you got to work out, your health is a lot of stress. So he's kind of like begrudgingly came and worked, because I trained her first. So begrudgingly, he kind of started. And then he kept coming. And I'm like, man, you've become like this one of my most consistent clients. Why is it? He goes, Sal.

And he was obviously, you know, the CEO. He's like, I do better meetings. I can close better deals. He's like, I'm more productive. He's like, nothing's made me a better businessman than just getting more fit. So productivity is another one. I'll give you guys one because we kind of touched on it earlier. We talked about intimacy or, you know, sex.

Confidence and self-esteem. Okay, so that's the psychological part of that. Yeah, that's part of it plays into that. Here's what's cool about this, okay? What someone might think is connected to this is the fact that your body looks different. So someone may say... That's the point I was making. I know that I haven't even made a physical...

It's intrinsic. I know that I have it like physically changed body fat percentage or built a bunch of muscle, but yet already I have this weird, almost weird confidence, you know? Well, so here's, again, here's what's interesting, just for the listener, right? It's not because you lost 30 pounds. That'll obviously boost your confidence. So I'm not saying that one, do that. But there was a research done in the Journal of Health Psychology,

and it showed that regular exercise improved body image and self-worth without any major changes. Now, do you think that's because you are setting a goal and you're working towards it? I think that's part of it. back is. I think that's part of it. I think also, uh, posture plays a big part of that, which you kind of mentioned before too. And muscle produces feel good chemicals. Muscle is this organ in the body that does lots of things. It puts things out. It just move your body. Um, you produce, uh, you have healthy levels of catacolamines. Uh, these are the things that give you kind of energy. Um, you have lowered inflammation. You have better insulin sense. So physiologically,

the machinery that you work with, which is your body, um, you have, um, you have lower inflammation. Um, you have better insulin. body and your brain becomes healthier. So everything kind of feels better, which is going to make you have better outlook. And then the psychology aspect of it is I'm doing this hard thing because exercise is hard, right? It's this hard thing, but I'm doing it willingly. By the way, if you force somebody to exercise, you actually lose a lot of these benefits. It's this, I'm choosing to do this thing that's hard.

That's supposed to be better for me. And I think it is better for me. And then the psychology of that is. By the way, I think this is one of the number one benefits of the cold plunge. that, you know, we talk, we argue and debate. No, you're right. It's recovery. But it's hard.

I think probably the most valuable thing truly outside of all the things everybody likes to debate over is that it's a really hard thing to do every single morning to get up and do something like that. And there's something to be said about doing that. You know, and the feeling you get afterwards, I think that's actually one of the most important and probably underrated parts about cold plumbing. Totally, totally. All right. I'll give you guys another one. somewhat connected but different. It elevates mood, fights stress, or to put it differently, it fights depression and anxiety.

And the most recent data on this is crazy remarkable. So what I used to say on the podcast, if you've listened to us long enough, is I would say the data shows that consistent exercise, regardless of body changes, consistent exercise, is as effective as therapy and medical treatment. So SSRI plus therapy, it shows it's about as effective. New data has come out, which actually destroys that. It's actually one and a half times as effective. In other words, you're feeling down. You have anxiety. Exercise is 150 times as 150% more effective than going to a therapist and taking medication.

It's crazy. And I'll add to that. medication, you have side effects. You can have sexual side effects, very common. You have down regulation receptors. You've got to figure out the right mix. Oftentimes it doesn't work. You don't get lots of other benefits.

Therapy can be very helpful, but sometimes it results in self-ruminating and you kind of get stuck in this whatever cycle. Exercise is, according to this data, the best therapist. It's incredible. In fact, this is what it looks like now. I have friends that work in that space. and they tell me, and they've been doing it for a long time,

they're like, oh, it wasn't something that I had, it was a part of my practice. Now this is a part of my practice. It's like, you know, we're going to do these things. Plus, we're going to find ways to inject exercise and fitness into your life because they've seen huge improvements. Yeah, what a great combo. I mean, we talk about that just being trainers that a lot of the times,

it's, it is almost a therapy session in a sense, you know, just taking people through these movements, but then it just brings out a lot of stuff that's, you know, been in there forever. One of my episodes on the series that I'm doing on our MPTV channel, there's one in particular that I forgot that this happened in it. And I went back and I read a comment and it prompted me to like, oh, yeah, I remember that.

So this particular episode, I was going through Kratum with a drawl. So Kratum is an herbal opiate. You could buy it over the counter these days. And like an, like an opiate, if you take it too long, too consistent. and then you stop, you have this withdrawal, which feels like garbage. It feels like fatigue, like crushing fatigue. I feel down. I feel crappy.

And I had gone on this kick of consistently using it for months because I had a loss in the family. And that's an excuse or whatever. But I had been using it. I stopped. I was in the middle of this terrible withdrawal. I had to film for my series. And I started the series by talking about this.

And I'm like, man, I feel like garbage. I feel horrible. But I'm here. And I'm going to talk about it. I got to do this work. halfway through the workout, somebody had commented, you could see a clear change

and uplifting in Sal's attitude and mood. And that, it was true. Crazy. I'm doing the workout. And literally I'm doing the exercises, you guys. I know you guys have had workouts like this. I don't want to do this like this. It just feels like, like whatever.

Halfway through, I'm like, turns a corner. Oh, God. It just felt amazing. I mean, people report this all the time of like, you know, not feeling like working out, getting through that first couple of sets,

then all of a sudden, which is, I mean, I've talked to all this too about one of the biggest hacks for myself personally was giving myself permission to just go do one set or one exercise. Because many times what I found was like giving myself that permission got me to at least take the step and go, you know what, I can just go do a set of squats. That's not hard. But then after doing that, it was like, okay, wait, I can do another set.

And then before you know, it's like, okay, I feel good now. That's right. Which is wild. Here's another one. It's one of the best ways to improve sleep quality. It actually has a measurable, a dramatic effect on deep. sleep and how quickly you can fall asleep and if you're able to stay asleep. It has to be appropriate exercise because if you overdo it, it'll actually do the opposite.

By the way, of the forms of exercise, strength training seems to have the best effect on that. But it's an incredible way to improve your sleep. So in fact, oftentimes, because insomnia or sleep issues is like higher than ever. People report it more than ever before. I bet, and I know this, but I bet that a large reason why people, are suffering from sleep issues more today than they were 20, 30 years ago is just the fact that we're so inactivity.

And not your body needs to be physically. I also would add another one that I bet we don't really think about a lot, at least that I've connected with myself personally. I don't know too many people that aren't major caffeine users. And if I get a workout and expend and sweat, I seem to utilize that caffeine differently. versus if I just drink my normal caffeinated amount every single day that I do every and then not expend and not work out, not sweat. I feel like that has a factor that is playing in it.

And I don't think we think about that a lot of times. Oh, I have my cups of coffee or my energy drink every day. It's like it's this routine. But there's a clear difference for me of when I exercise. And I think some of that has to do with expending some of that caffeine and putting it to use versus it's still kind of sitting and lingering in my system and then making the sleep more difficult. Totally. Better health gives you better sleep. And moving helps you sleep better. What's funny about this is the things that we know clearly in children, we seem to think it doesn't

apply to adults anymore. Anybody who has kids know this. If you have a two-year-old and you keep them inside sitting down all day long and then it's time for bed, you're going to have problems. You're going to have issues. You've got to get them out and get him to move. And somehow we think, oh, where I'm an adult, it's no longer the same for me. I don't know. It's the same. Well, I mean, adults too you think about like pain and chronic pain and like all that stuff you know besides just like you know the depression all that's like after a while like my joints hurt make him stiff and you know just expressing that and getting muscle contraction goes so far yeah that's another one just i'd even have listed there was pain although i think that's maybe a little more obvious it's kind of

obvious yeah but most pain that people suffer from in modern societies today is not the result of an acute injury. Most of the reported pain is the chronic variety, kind of chronic back pain, chronic knee pain. It just kind of bothers me when I sit down at work or whatever. That's because your body's not moving well. And when you exercise properly, your body learns to move well, your joints learn to move well. The joints rebuild, less inflammation. Everything moves way better. Just works better. And good trainers know this, by the way. Good trainers know that this is what you lean on regardless of what the client's goal is because you show them that pain relief and then it's a done deal. They see the value.

Yep. All right. Here's another one. It's, and there's great data on this. People who exercise consistently have greater social connections. And I, there was a video that the staff shared with me, and I think I'm probably going to do a reaction to it. This is the one where I'm, like, watching it and then I react to it. And there's this woman who's talking to the camera. She's a, she's a bigger woman, and she's going to the gym because she's trying to lose weight. She's strong with that. And she goes to this kind of hardcore gym. Yeah.

And there's this terrible lie that persists in society that gyms are these kind of judgmental, not accepting places. And the reason why it's such a terrible lie is it's not just not true. It's the opposite of what's actually true. So this woman tells her story how she's in the gym. She feels like people are looking at her. There's these two teenagers make a comment and they laugh. And she's like, they're talking about me and really makes her feel bad about herself.

And then this really jubes. jacked, tatted, I think powerlifter walks up to her. And he says to her, hey, and she goes, and she's narrating. She's like, oh, man, here it comes. Like, he's just going to make me feel terrible. And he says, hey, I've been seeing you in here every single week working real hard and being consistent. You're doing a great job.

And she's crying as she's saying this. And it illustrates the truth of Jim culture, which is, it's one of the best environments you could possibly be in. Yeah. I can't think of a better, aside from, like, church or, you know, like that. I can't think of a better environment where you're going to be amongst a bunch of people who are trying to better themselves, who are struggling, or are trying to figure these things out. The encouragement and the culture in a gym is so uplifting that it's such a, it's such a travesty that people isolate themselves

because they're afraid of what might, of this lie. But if they start to, you know, say hi to people, what you'll find is the most incredible social connections and culture and encouragement. you'll ever find. Yeah, you just, you just drew a parallel to church, and I think that's a good one. I was, what else even comes close to those two when it comes to, like, community and people being, like people actively being supportive. Like, I'm trying to think of another place in my life where a stranger may has, like, I've definitely experienced at a church where someone's come up and said, you know, can I pray for you? Yeah, yeah. Like, you'll get random stuff like that, which is, which is wild and inspiring. And then the gym had situations like that where I've seen that. I've seen

that or done that or been a part of someone coming over and encouraging a stranger encouraging another stranger. Where else would you see that? I think you'd have to go somewhere where everybody's trying to be better, but I can't think of any common. I know that's why I like a common. Obviously church and gyms are very common. So where else? Because even sports will get that competitive. Yeah, no, that's different. You might get that on a team, right? Well, yeah, they'll try and a good team will try to really like, lift you up. Yeah, that's different though. This is. I'm not going to know about a community place where people come to, right? A coffee shop, a library.

Where else do people congregate and a stranger walks up? And I'm not saying that that's never happened in like a coffee shop. But it's not a place that everybody's going to to try to become better. Yeah. That's what a gym is. In fact, if you go to a gym, that's the core of it. That's also where the church is, too. That's right.

So where else in society do we find a community like that, where people would do that. I can't think of another example. I can't either just some recovery place. Maybe, really. Yeah, you know, it's funny. Father Steve is a priest, but he's also a bodybuilder. He, him and I had this exact conversation.

He said, you know what? There's things that the church can learn from gyms. He goes, good churches do this, but he goes, gyms, I've been in more gyms where you feel encouraged and cared for because of the culture. And this is true, guys. You go to a good gym. You go to a hardcore gyms, by the way, the best at this. They're the best at this.

You go in there. Nobody cares your political beliefs. They don't care what color your hair is. They don't care how overweight you are, how unfit you are. If you're in there working and trying with them and you start talking to people, it's, the culture is incredible. It's one of the best places you could go. That would be my only caveat because, you know, some of those, like, commercial gyms,

like, you could get, like, a whole host of people that are just there to mess around. Yes, yes. But, yeah, like, the serious people are usually the best. Totally. Here's another one. This was based off of, again, in psychology research. It sharpens discipline and resilience. So psychology research shows that exercise fosters a growth mindset. By the way, you have to have a growth mindset if you're going to work out for any late in the period of time. A growth mindset is one that says, I can change, I can grow. I'm not stuck or fixed in this, you know, where I'm at right now. Like you have to move out of that if you if you ever, if you want to have a long relationship. with fitness. And does that bleed over to the rest of your life? Oh, you better believe it. Yeah, it also exercises that delayed gratification muscle, right? It's like I have to, it's not like I go to the gym and I immediately get all these results I want. It's like I have this thing I want to work towards.

I'm going to go in and do this thing every day and I'm going to see very little change, especially initially, yet I'm going to keep doing it. And so the ability to delay gratification, I think, serves you in so many other ways in life. Totally. So I don't know if that falls in the same. category if it's a different one but I think that's very very similar to that and then finally one more it boosts excuse me brain power and creativity and we can link it to physiological phenomena like bd and f getting released or by the way writers have known this forever like when you get writers block what's the typical yeah go for a walk cigarettes or a walk yeah or both have some nicotine to go for a walk this is look uh there's two there's two reasons why I work out first thing in the morning one is because

it's the only consistent time I can choose. Two is because it's before we podcast. And all my best ideas come out when I work. My best thinking is while I'm exercising or walking or doing some kind of movement. Period. End of story. So if you value those creative moments, more of them happen when you're active and you exercise versus when you don't.

So there you go. All right. Speaking of cool, growth-minded stuff or whatever, I got to tell you guys about Ben Bueno from Rock Recovery Center. So Ben and Tom run Rock Recovery Center. They're also hosts of the Real Recovery Talk podcast. And so this is a rehab facility. And, you know, I've been getting to know Ben more and more and more.

And it's just when you meet people that care as much as they do about what they do, it's really a gift. It really, really is. Like talking to him and hearing him talk about the people that he's working with and the people he's worked with. If I had a loved one that was... It's infectious, yeah. Dude, if I had a loved one that was suffering from addiction or if I was, I would want to, I definitely would want to go where I, like the people really cared about me. Yeah.

Because that whole, that whole space, some of those places are, uh, very profit oriented. And they don't really look at people as, you know, people. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that's one of the best parts is that the two of them have been through it. You know what I'm saying? So it's not just, uh, guys that see an opportunity to make money in a space that can be lucrative. Um, because I know how corrupt that is. I mean, we shared a long time ago that, the body brokers.

Yeah. Yeah, body brokers. And if you've never watched that documentary, super enlightening. I mean, I didn't even know that that was a thing until I watched that. And was like, oh, my God, what a sick, twisted way to make money? Like, you just have to be a really awful person to profit of that. And I know a lot of people are driven that way. So to see two guys that they're not.

They put their heart and soul. I mean, a lot of people go over from our audience. And they go out of their way to help a lot of people for free. Like, they do a lot. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, they do a lot that they do not have to do. And, in fact, more often than not, I hear them doing stuff like that. And, like, I hope that they can be profitable from what we're, from the amount of effort

and love that they give to people that can't, that can't provide anything. So, no, it's awesome. I got this cool story that I saw on Instagram about this guy who did a kind of self-study, which, you know, doesn't really count as a study because it's one dude. But it was a revolving around eggs. And I'll share to you what he did, which is kind of cool. So this guy did a self-experiment where he ate 720 eggs in one month. Oh, I think I, this has been a while, right?

I think so. Yeah, yeah. So what's that for day? What's his? 24 eggs a day for 30 days straight. Yeah. So for, which is a lot. I've never eaten 24 eggs in a year.

I don't want to be near that. The most I've ever done is I'll do 8 to 10 in a day, which is a lot also. I remember reading this. I can't remember what the outcome was. I imagine he saw some positive benefits. His LDL dropped by 18% in four weeks, eating 133,000 milligrams of cholesterol a day. Okay? So he's eating a ton.

His testosterone, you're ready for this? Went up 79%. 79? 79% increase in testosterone. Yes. Wow. And he got stronger. He felt better.

All for me. Now, eggs are a super food. if there ever was a superfood. Eggs are like crazy, how complete they are and what they offer. And the reason why I brought this up, obviously it's not a study. It's one guy. Personally, for me, I've talked about this before. This is an old, this is an old bodybuilding thing.

Vince Garanda was big on this. You can look them up if you want to read about it. Oh, it was a Harvard medical student that did it. Okay, so I remember this. I actually brought this up to the podcast when it actually happened. I don't know if you remember. I brought this up. Oh, did?

Yeah, yeah. So I'll be the turd and the punch pole here. The thing that I commented on this that I also, and I think I posted in my story, if you do the math on that, that's 1,680 calories roughly, and that's somewhere around about 160 grams of protein. And so, like, my point was if you consistently hit 168 grams of protein and ate that low of calories for 30 days, I would bet that those markers would come back almost identical to that. Well, so we don't know what the rest of his diet was. Right. That's all he ate. He ate nothing else?

Nothing else. Oh. That's 1,6008. So he ate a nice, he ate 1,800 calorie, low calories. So diet, that's 1,800 calories. So he ate nothing else. High protein low calories. Okay.

So I'll throw a wrench in that then, Adam. Okay. What would you expect to happen with a man's testosterone? So, okay. So what makes that amazing is just also it highlights how complete an egg is. Yeah. Because you could, I mean, what else could you eat only 1,800 calories of and still see that many positive benefits. You wouldn't see a, typically if a man eats, it was 16,

800 calories? I did the math. I did say, what, 70 calories an egg, right? So you figure, 60 to 70. So say 70 calories in egg times 24 is 1,680. Okay. If a guy ate 1,600 calories a day for a month, you would expect to see a drop in testosterone. That's a remarkably low calories for man. So, and you would predictably, I would always guess. Now, what I think is, that that's such a great balance of fat and protein. And so I think it, I think that's why. But even so,

a huge calorie deficit, which $600 calories for a guy is a pretty big deficit, would cause typically a lowering of testosterone. Well, again, I'm going to play devil's out. What's up? Well,

he didn't eat all of his eggs just raw or, you know, cooked eggs. They were, some of were fried, so there'd be oil involved with that. So there'd be more calories. Devil's eggs.

He'd ate deviled eggs. That's, that's negligible. though it still remains the same. Here's an argument you made, though, too, though. Let's say he was a higher body fat percentage and unhealthy going into the test for 30 days. It would show improvements on that.

Not necessarily, but maybe, right? I mean, that could show that. Is that a picture of him, Doug? He didn't look like an obese guy. No, he was very thin guy. Yeah, so he was a healthy guy. You take a thin dude. Yeah.

And you have him eat 1600 calories a day for 30 days. You will almost always see a drop into, Definitely not a 75, 79% increase. Yeah. I mean, if I, if I present that to you guys, we would all guess your testosterone will lower. Now, here's where I'm going with this. I, again, old school body builders of this, and I experiment with this all the time.

And it lasts for about 45 to 60 days. And then the effect tends to wear off. When I dramatically increase my cholesterol intake from eggs. You talk about strength gains. Huge shrinkings. Yeah. It is the most anabolic thing I've ever done with food ever, period, end of story. from eating healthy, there's nothing will get my strength to skyrocket like eating eight to 10

eggs a day in my diet. Nothing. Nothing comes close. Even if I eat a steak or other things to replace it. So that's something I encourage people to do. No, I don't encourage you. Do it at your own. You know, you can do it yourself, test it for yourself. Experiment-wise. But I mean, there's not a lot. The strain gains are crazy. There's not a lot. I mean, the only thing that maybe come close to this would be eating like just steak for that many calories and steak would be probably close to this. But I think it's the cholesterol, you guys. I think there's something with dietary cholesterol. Well, you would get that if you ate that much, if you ate that much steak,

you would get close to that, wouldn't you? No way. Not 1,300. Not 130. No. Not as much. But you still get a high cholesterol food. You get a decent amount of cholesterol.

I mean, I don't know. You know, 60 calories with a steak and going to give you, how many grams of cholesterol is in one egg? It's pretty hot. You would know that better than me. I forgot. Yeah. It's pretty high.

Maybe, Doug, you could look that up. But are you, calorie per calorie, you're not going to get that much cholesterol. But I do think, I do think that it's a pretty remarkable when you, when you put somebody in a calorie restriction, regardless of what they're eating, how many positive benefits you see. The thing that's interesting, you know, like you take somebody and put them in a, especially in only 30 days, because extend this out for six months and maybe you do start to see some adverse effects.

Well, the LDL would almost always go down. Yeah, 186 milligrams. Yeah, you ain't going to get that in 60 calories worth of a statement. So you're getting the extra benefits. if it's not. Yeah. So, again... I mean, this is why, though, an egg is also been known as, like, a perfect food, right? And here's the other thing I'll point to. It's the complete... A whole egg versus egg protein that's equivalent, when they compare

them for muscle protein synthesis, the whole egg is significantly higher in stimulating muscle growth. So I don't think it's the protein. Yeah. I think it's the cholesterol. And again, there's some studies that show this that when you boost dietary cholesterol with, like, older populations, they get stronger, they build more muscle. So I think that... that might be what we're looking at. You guys know that I've talked about like, you should make a supplement. We've been scared out of eating it.

And so, yeah, I think it's definitely a definitely a dead. That would be so hard for me to eat 24 eggs in a day. That's a lot of eggs, dude. I mean, I'm also not a big egg fan in the first place.

So it's like, I don't think they're like great tasting. I have them, I have them in something, though. We toast a burrito or something. The smell of them too much, you know, it's too much.

You know who eats a lot of eggs? It's because like my son. Yeah. My son, he's, he's going to turn five. soon. He could easily, like easily eat five in a day. That's awesome. For a five-year-old?

That's awesome. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. I wish Max liked eggs more. Does he like them at all? Not really? Yeah, he's not a fan. No matter how you make them? Yeah. I mean, I could try to, he's not a fan. I'm not, I'm not either. So it's hard for me to push him on him when I'm like, I didn't like it. You just got to throw a lot of salt on it, dude. I mean, I actually never ate them until I started, until I became a personal trainer and obviously figured out how beneficial they were and how healthy. So it became like a discipline myself. And then over time I've gotten better. But, you know, I just had a recent, I had one of the places I order breakfast from just got a bad batch that just tastes. And now I'm like, I haven't had them for like almost three weeks now because it's like now it's like now it's like now it's hard to get like a bad. Isn't that weird? Yeah. You ever, you ever eat something and you get sick from it? Yes. It's so weird. It's so weird. You know, take a while before I definitely won't order from them first. And even, you know what I'm saying? Like it's just, it's just. And I'm sure the there's a psychological phenomenon. Totally. Totally.

And I'm aware of it yet still. It's like, uh, bro, that happened to me with Thai food. I loved Thai food. Loved it. Got sick. Then I went to Thailand and almost died.

And now if I eat anything that's Thai, it's like, I have to like, ugh, to kind of get over that weird, you know? And I used to love Thai food. Because it got so sick,

it was over there. It completely ruined it for me. Happened with tequila, too. That's a different. That's a different story. I was being sushi. Yeah, anyway.

Digestive enzymes. I want to talk about this for a second. Because I've been, uh, one of our, partners by optimizers that have, you know, digestive enzymes that you take with your meals. And I, it was just kind of looking up. That's their mass signs.

Mass times. I was looking up the value of using them. And what's the value? And as you get older, you produce less and less digestive enzymes in your body. So as you age, you break food down more difficultly. So digestive enzymes become more valuable as you get older. They're especially valuable if anybody's, you know, ever had their, not their appendix removed.

What's the other thing sometimes people get removed? Gull bladder. Yeah, you remove your gallbladder. You're going to probably want to always supplement with them. Now, does your, sell, does your body become, like, I've actually thought about trying them because it's not something that I, I know you use, like, religiously. And I know Justin does too pretty often. And I wonder if I were to take it and if it would improve digest.

Maybe I don't feel like I need it, but what if I were to take it? Could I feel an improvement in it from it? That's first question. up question of that is, is there any sort of down regulation? Like, so let's say my body already kind of naturally does a good job of doing that. And then because I start supplementing for it, would it down regulate? Okay, that would

There's no, uh, there's no feedback loop with enzymes. Okay. So your body's like, it doesn't like perceive them, go, oh, we got to. That's kind of why I've never mess with it because I'm like, I don't really have a problem and I don't want to start taking it. It's good question. And then become like dependent that I have to start taking it all time. So I could totally mess around with taking it and just see, hey, does it feel better? Does

it feel like I, so digestive enzymes, Think of them as like little scissors in the body. So you get a carbohydrate or a protein or a fat. And enzymes go in and break them into fatty acids or amino acids or more simple sugars for utilization in the body. It's especially valuable for high protein diets. One of the things that sometimes people will say when they eat a really high protein diet is their digestion. It's a little more difficult on their digestion. And this was always my go-to.

If I had a client, I bumped her protein from she was eating 50 grams a day to a hundred, you know, a hundred and not use the red meat especially. It's like, here, throw some digestive enzymes to see how you feel. And I'd say probably six or seven out of ten times, that was it. That was all we needed to do was have those digestive enzymes to make a difference. So really high protein diet, I would say, is more valuable. I know if I don't bring it up. I know Justin will never get to it because this is his notes, I think, because I see Gruden and Manning and we never get to talk about anything. And I don't know what this is.

So I'm, like, so curious. Who are those people? Yeah, no. Yeah. No, it was funny. I watched this video of Gruden. He was talking about, like, manning how ruthless he was with his research in homework. And so, you know, and he was just a brilliant mind out there on the field and would pick defenses apart.

But one thing in particular, like, stood out to him. He had heard him, like, doing call. So he's, like, calling the play. And he's, like, checking down. and he starts listening. And one of the defenders is like, hey, hey, wait a minute, that's my wife's name. And then he goes through the line of the DBs. And he memorized every one of their first and last names.

And so he'll call him out, like specifically where he's thrown it. It's just a mess with their mind. So I was always, I know Tom Brady's a goat, but I was a Peyton Manning fan. And so, and for a long time, I used to make the argument that Peyton Manning was better than Tom Brady. and then obviously after all the Super Bowls, I could no longer make that argument anymore. But he was my favorite, for those reasons. Like the amount of research and homework that he went into.

And then you also will talk to, like, Ray Lewis and linebackers that played against him. And they said, like, he was just an absolute nightmare to play against for that reason. Like, he just, he knew your defense better than your defense, knew their own defense. Psychological warfare. Yeah.

And so, which he was so famous for all the audibles that he would call when he come in line. He'd come in line and never did he run the play that was planned. He always called all these audibles because he was. he would get to the line in the formation. He'd see their defense. He knows their defense better. He knows where all the holes were in it

and when called an audible right away and just made it so difficult for a defense to like play with that. You know, so no, I love that. He's so great, dude. I think it's so remarkable to me how, and I think it's most clear in sports, how there are people that are just in another universe in terms of our ability. And sports makes it very clear.

You can see it very clearly when you see a 300-pound man run faster than you've ever seen your life. It's like, oh, there's a different level of human. But what trips me out about that is I like to extend that out into other things. There are people who are like that in business. There are people who are like that with science and math that are just in a nut. Like I was looking at. Yeah, and their whole league by themselves.

What was that? I sent you a text to Adam on Elon Musk. Love them or hate them, you know, doesn't matter based on what I'm about to say. So you can love them or hate them. But when it comes to his entrepreneurship, he's at the number one, number two, number five private companies. He has co-founded the first, second,

and fifth most profitable, most valuable private companies in the world right now. Private, too. Yes, as well as the 10th most valuable public company in the world, all founded by him. Yeah, yeah. That is...

Unheard of. That doesn't make any sense. Another level of brilliance. I think the reason why I get so excited about the sports is because you have the merging of the two. So you have a, Manning. Do you remember? I think I brought it up on this,

I think I brought up on the podcast. Shame on me if I didn't. When Manning was rehabbing and they had the eye test on him and it was the first time they'd ever seen somebody, it was tracking real time. It didn't make sense to them. They've never seen that before. Everybody had a little bit of a lot. There's a little bit of delay. There's zero

delay. He's almost ahead of it. Yeah, that's what they said. So it was almost like he was predicting where like, so you have this, you have this guy who's brilliant, like has the ability to memorize wives' names and formations of a team you're playing that is rotating every week better than the old team knows and then also his physical capabilities

of being able to predict where someone, I mean, that's just... What do you guys think a guy like him would be a thousand years ago? There's no sports, there's no football. Oh. Like, war strategist? Yeah, or like most successful hunter of all time.

You know, like the deer's way over there. He's like, what's like... And because of his mind and if you go back then, I think he becomes like war... He's the guy who everybody follows because he could go out there and throw the spear better than you. Yeah.

And then he's brain. is so good that he can strategize, but so he's definitely the guy who's... That's cool. Yeah, maybe he threw, maybe he killed a lot first to prove how great he was, and then he's, then he's really strategizing at a high level. That's the only thing I could think of that would be valuable.

Yeah, that's like that far back, you know. I saw this, uh, this, this, uh, this, uh, woman did this post, and she was talking about, um, women's hormone cycles and how different they are throughout the month. Uh, and then she made this statement. And I'm like, let me fact check this statement. And she said that women report burnout at higher rates than men do. So I'm like, is this true?

Of course. Is this true? So it's not pro. No, I don't even say that in a sexist way. I mean, listen, there's no way I could handle carrying a baby for nine months. I would break right away. Well, so I looked this up. I said, do they actually report more burnout?

And so I looked up the stat, and it's about almost 20% higher rate reported levels of burnout. And then I saw and I said, okay, maybe this is because they feel more responsible for household. Like these are women who are working. So women versus men who work who report burnout. So I'm like, okay, maybe it's because women feel more responsible generally. This is a widely held belief, but there's data to support this, that they feel more responsible for, even though they're working household stuff and the kids. So I said, okay, let me compare single women to single men because that would get rid of that. Right.

Yeah. And still, they report about 13 to 15 percent. I think we were just created both men and women to handle different types of stress better than others. There's stress that I think women do better than those. An example that was an easy layup is the pregnancy. Like I just could not day in, day a get up and like just that boggles me to just be fine with that and live with that. There's no way I would break. I've said this before. I've said this before.

If we were the ones to get pregnant, like every birth and delivery would be. But ask. General anesthesia. Ask me to run on four hours. asleep, get up at 5 a.m., go do a grueling job where I have to use, like, physically beat my body up and they get up and do that again, and like, I could do that. You know, like, many, many days in a row. So I went into the data and I said, and I said, okay, why is this the case?

What is the data show? What are we showing? And it says that men have a, they can depersonalize at a higher rate, meaning that they can detach, yeah, disconnect and detach, which sometimes it's criticized, like you shouldn't do that. In fact, too much depersonalization is a bad thing, right? Disassociation. But I do think there's a value to it. Now, what would the historic value be? Well, you leave your home to go do this thing. You're gone. You have to support your family or you're gone. You're at war or whatever. I think that's valuable to be able to handle certain stresses that maybe men historically have had to do.

But I thought that was an interesting stat. I don't think it's a bad thing. But I do think it's I don't think it's a batting. I don't think it's a weaker, stronger species thing. I think that, again, I think that we each have our strengths when it comes to dealing with different types of stress. Which is cool because when you combine your strengths, they complement each other. 100% typically is what you see. You know, I wanted to, have you guys seen? I think China has got it.

Doug, can you pull up? I know you asked me last time, how do you say that? Zioomi X-I-O-M-Pro 17-Met. Show me. Shall me? Yeah. Okay. He just says things so well.

I would have never could have spent, I would spend 30 minutes trying to pronounce that. The official pronunciation. I don't know. I don't speak Chinese. I didn't know you could do this, but I find this really interesting what's happening to, it's only a matter of time. We talked about, you know, Elon getting ready to get in the phone game. I know there's rumors that's true, not true. I don't doubt it's not going to happen.

Eventually, I think it'll happen, and that's going to be interesting how much that disrupts. And just Apple hasn't innovated very much. Now there is a competitor. This, say it again, Doug. Xiaomi. Shao me, 17 Pro. I was going to mess it up bad again. 17 Pro Max, where they aren't even trying to hide that they are making their phones identical to iPhones.

So it's like, that's the game, isn't it? Well, so here's what keeps me an iPhone guy. It's just like, and why I didn't make the switch to Google is the, I remember using one of my buddies and just, the interface is so different. And I'm like, I don't even want to go through the... I don't care if your camera's 2% better or batteries. Yeah, you go through a learning curve. Yeah, I don't want to go through the learning curve. It's something I'm already comfortable with.

And so there's a competitor now that is just like, we're just going to basically copy exactly. The only downside is that instead of America spying on you, it's China. So I don't know if that's better at worse. Wasn't that the Huawei issue like forever? And so is this any different than that? Because it's... So this is literally... just carbon copy.

So basically what they did, carbon, okay, what they did was carbon copy it with a better battery, better camera, and like a fraction of the price. Oh, yeah. So it's like, I mean, it does look the same. It's identical, except for a better camera, better battery. Wow.

And all the, all the UI is like super, super similar. And I think it's, I don't know if the price is up there, Doug, but it's like, how long is it going to last before it gets sued? Yeah. I don't know if you can, if they can copyright all that, all that. Like, I don't know what's, what's copyright. It comes with the free.

Remember how hard. tech is to copyright. You remember how hard the tech is... I mean, they own a lot of patents. I've gone through that rabble. No, no, no, they definitely do, but I don't know how much of that. Can you buy it here? I don't know. Yes,

$700 or $800. Oh, okay. It's not... It's cheaper. It's a lot cheaper. No, the new iPhone. What's the new iPhone? Fifteen hundred or something. Is it really? Is it that much? Dude, yes. They've been going up and up. I think my last one I bought was like $1,200. You know what's crazy to me? People talk about how

expensive it is to live today or whatever. It's because we have all these things that we just say that the new phones going up to 1900. Did I just see the new Apple's going up to that? Well, this is Xiaomi still. I'm still trying to get the pricing on this. Okay. All right. Wow.

They have a two terabyte version for $2,000. I don't even know a lot of storage. Yeah, it was crazy, man. I'll tell you what the new iPhone is. What is it? The 17 now? I think so. Well, right there's an article that compares it to.

Okay. You just saw there. Well, I can go back to that. See that one right there? I mean, you're the more difficult route, though, by going into Doug. Where is that sound? We're peering into Doug's brain right now. You know, I got to say, I got a comment on this because this is, I've said this before, this is such a guy thing.

Yesterday, I'll give you guys an example. We're teasing and insulting each other with that. Yesterday, I'm on, I'm on the show. I'm doing an intro. Justin's sitting over there. It's like C-section Greg. It's just me, by myself, you know, I'm doing the intro thing. And a fly comes flying around.

I had to stop the intro. And Justin's like, and I'm like, oh, I got in my face. like, oh, it got in your beak, you know, because you guys make fun of my face. You say, have a beak or whatever. You land right on your beak. And I just was dying. You know, I was just cracking up and it just this is a, I know, I know it's a guy thing. You know, when you have your buddies that you love and respect,

the more you guys tease me, the, and now I'm going to make it sound weird, the closer I feel. Yeah. I thoroughly enjoy it. It's hilarious. Some people don't. Yeah. Some guys don't, though. You know, it's not like it is generally. Those are my people. Those are guys that other guys don't like that. Those are the ones all tease harder.

That's who you need out. So what do you think that is? Because that causes the guy who has, what happened to him? Yeah. Okay, that he doesn't do well with that. Why do, why do some guys embrace that to a point they love it? They like it. And then other guys.

I don't think they had a lot of exposure growing up with other men. Yeah. I guess. And probably like got bullied really horribly. Yes. So it was like all just negative. It wasn't fun. I'll give you an example.

I'll give you an example of that. One of our buddies, who I love. I love this guy. I love him to death. Talk to me again. But I get the impression that if I teased Lane Norton,

it wouldn't go over well. Yeah. You know what I mean? He doesn't like that so much. Yeah, take it the wrong way. So that's probably what's happening. You probably had something traumatic so it triggers that no matter what if your buddies are even being playful,

you have a hard time. Because you got bullied. Yeah. Like that probably brings it. But here's the thing. Here's why I'm saying this is a guy thing. Like, Have you guys, have you guys ever teased your wife and see how great?

Oh, yeah. That lands well. Never. Never. It has to be like the lightest one ever. It's an approved. In approved way. Approved first.

Yeah, dude. She has to do it to me first to like invite it. Yeah, but even then sometimes. Yeah. Even then, yeah, it's, it's a delicate dance. That's just not good. Yeah. Katrina has really thick skin and I'd still say that she, that's not a winning

strategy. It's in the context of it. It's still those. winning strategy for me. I mean, like, if I walked in... Which is hard because this becomes your best... When you marry someone, this becomes your best friend. You can't forget.

It's not a dude. Yeah, I know. You just can't forget. Like, if I came in, if I had a horrible accident... I was peeing the story here. If I had a horrible accident and lost my left eye, literally, like, I lost it. I have no left eye left. Terrible accident.

It's horrible. You're Cyclops now. It would within... I'll give you guys, I'll even be concerned. Bring you a pirate hat to work two days later. I bet you within a week. Within a week, you guys would have nicknames For me.

You'd give me like seven days. Well, aren't you saying? He'd say he's there, sell. You'd buy you a parent. I'd buy you a monocle. Just to highlight it. But you'd give me like a good seven days. Like, oh, he's sad right now.

I mean, I told you what happened. I mean, I don't know if I shared on the podcast. I know off air, I showed you guys my buddy Greg who when we got fantasy. I hadn't seen him in like a long time. Then we were doing fantasy football. We all got together and we were in the pool. And he pulls his shirt off.

And he's got this crazy scar, man. and his like stomach is like sideways like I mean it's really like messed up like oh shit what happened he's like he's like oh man he told me like this thing that he had surgery and it's like oh bro and then I was like I'm gonna call you C-section Greg the rest of the day

he was like it caught on too everybody by the everybody in the day now he's in our fantasy football league he's like oh there's C-section Greg dude is that it stuck yeah his dude stuck does he like it? I mean he's typical yeah he's a good buddy he's too good he's just like oh okay you got me there it's good it's the best dude so I'm saying that because Doug

we love you. That's why we just tell us. Thank you so much. Always. It's a true. Turn of an dear. And Doug loves it. Who had the 20-year-old driving through the dealers? I did.

I want to hear about this. So this kid goes, and I believe it was a BMW for BMW M4 competition series. He wants to buy one. And I guess he gets declined on the financing. And he gets so angry. First of all, he tried to grab the keys and take it after they told him no. they didn't and so he goes out in the parking lot and he starts circling the parking lot

and he drives the car through the glass windows at the dealership he's like just, I'm out here! I mean, crazy to me, right? I mean, is that? What a missed opportunity from a sales guy. You know what I mean? I bet. Wait, real quick.

You really want this car. We're going to make this happen. You really want it. Let's figure out a way to get you. Just not today. Just not right now, but I'm going to work on this, bro. Like, that's a deal you lost. I mean, do you see that? I mean, 20 year old kid, like, what kind of kid, again, what is your...

Naturally unstable. Yeah, that, I mean, this is the part of, like, how much I think, like, these video games and the, like, this being on the online all the time. There's a distort GTA. Yeah, no, seriously. And I know, I mean, obviously... This don't work. I'm not a fan of, like, blaming a lot of this stuff, blaming on, like, I don't think, because millions of people play video games and don't go drive through things like that. Yeah.

But there's got to be something to be said about somebody. who's constantly living in the virtual world and playing games. The reality is distorted. That's right. Where it's like that's not, like you think that's more common than what it really is.

Like, no, you're the first person to drive through that. You know, or like, that doesn't happen. I imagine that's going to get even worse. And now too, with the VR, because I see my kids like love VR. And they don't even want to play with fun,

like their tablets or like, you know, PlayStation more. It's just VR. And so, yeah, it's very limited the amount, but it's like, Like, yeah, I could see kids just like, it's so immersive. And then taking them out of there into reality is going to be real weird. Oh, man.

I had a conversation with my daughter. She brought this great question at the dinner table. And she's like, why are there let? How come there's not a lot of serial killers anymore? I'm like, wait a minute. You're right. Because when you read about these famous serial killers, they all happened. And think in the 80s, 60s, 70s, 80s.

That's all I'm K, okay, maybe that. Here's the other one. Here's the more accepted explanation. I talked to her about this. I said, well, here's what I said this is in some countries ban publicizing mass murders or serial killers. There's this phenomena where when you report on it. Creates more.

It's the same thing that with the bank robbery. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Because you have, you know, you have a country of 300 million people. There's always going to be a percentage of crazy people that are in there, small percentage. And when they get, they see the reporting of the person that gets all this attention that did all the stuff.

It's just enough to push some people over the edge into doing, same thing with mass murder. Yeah, Doug just pulled up that there's a significant fewer serial killers now that it. Now, is that because they stopped talking about it and promoting it, right? Is it because in the 80s, it was like a phenomenon where everyone, they were talking about it. They still do. They make movies about them. Yeah.

Every Netflix, I swear, there's a whole genre that's just, it's resurrecting all the serial killers. One factor was lead paint, lead that was associated with. Yeah, but serial killers. That's overall violence. There's a... No violence too, yeah. Yes, but there's a whole other ballgame when you're talking about serial killer.

That's like another... That's a whole different universe. So, LED definitely contributed violence, but that's not the same at all. Who was the last one that Netflix did a thing on that was all popular? Domer? No, Domer.

Domer. Ed Gaines? No, I think it was Domer. Yeah. And so my daughter... Remember it was last Holo? and everybody became, there was such controversy because he became like the number one cost of it.

Ed Gaines was the one that like, he made people's skins. Like, he made a chair out of it. That's just now. That's a new one out. So you know what my daughter told me? She said that the guy who created that documentary on Dahmer didn't even, that the victims wrote it and said, don't please don't make this.

We don't want to relive this. We don't want this to be a pop-up. And he said, I'm going to make it. That's messed up. So that was like what the controversy was about was they, they pleaded for not to happen, it becomes the number one stream thing on Netflix, becomes the number one cause.

So talk about the people that had to go through that. Not only do you know that there's a documentary but didn't need to go see. And then you see people dressing up. Did you imagine the trauma you'd have to live through? Yeah, some kids says trick or treat and he's dressed up. Oh my God. If you're,

just if you're related to a victim, you don't even got to be like the intimate partner if you're just somebody who's downstream and you answer your door. And what are, I mean, some of those Some of those family members absolutely had to experience that because the likelihood, if it's the number one costume in Halloween, that you see that during Halloween is highly likely, right? I mean, anytime there's a number one Halloween costume, you almost always at least see it once, once or twice. I can imagine, you said, answer to the door.

For anybody thinks that we don't live in a broken world, like, come on, man. I think we're celebrating these, we are by action celebrating these crazy, terrible people. I mean, money rules it because it, because it, because it, because it, because it's, because. because that trumps it because the amount of money that will be made. I had a discussion with, remember that it was a couple episodes ago, I said how the people think, why is there so much suffering in the world? But the question should be, why is there any good at all? And I was talking to somebody about this. I was like, no, people are inherently good.

I said, no, they're not. They're inherently bad. We had this whole conversation. And I said, if you don't believe me, would you be okay if today every law was taken off the books? There was no law, no punishment. What do you think would happen within 24 hours? I won the argument right then and there. We definitely live in a broken world.

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Good. Good, man. How can we help you? Okay, yeah, I'm just going to read my email off. So I say, my name is Reese. I'm 22, and I've been working out consistently for the past three years. I've lost around 60 pounds and kept it off, which has been a huge accomplishment for me. For a long time, I was afraid to eat in a surplus because I didn't want to gain the weight back.

So my muscle growth was slow early on. But I'm finally in the lean bulk and feeling great about where I'm headed. I recently enrolled in NASM, and I know deep down that I want to help people, especially those who struggle with over-restriction, binge eating, and low-service team like I did. I've lived through all that and came out stronger, and I believe I can guide others through it too. But even with that, I have imposter syndrome. I don't feel like I'm big enough or experienced enough to be taken serious as a trainer, and it's hard to shake the insecurity even though I've made progress and have some an offer.

How do I know when I'm really ready to start training others? what would you tell someone like me who's passionate but scared? Love the show. Thanks for everything. I'll do. So crazy. You're calling in right now. We were just having a discussion about people just like you.

And let me tell you, you're more than ready because one of the most powerful things with being a successful trainer that a lot of veteran trainers still have a hard time doing is being able to be relatable and connect to your clients and be vulnerable. So that part of you that is scared, the part of you, you lean. into that. You lean into that part of your journey because guess what? That person who's 60, 100 pounds overweight that's sitting across from you that's looking for your help, they're going to connect better with that than the jacked 6% body fat percentage guy who's got 100,000 followers on Instagram. They will connect more to you and your story and where you're at and how you felt

going through that than they will to this bodybuilder guy that looks super jacked and is popular. Trust me. Rees, how long have you been listening to us? I found out pretty recently. I found y'all, I heard higher up wellness talk about y'all, and then I looked y'all up. So it's probably been like three or four months. Awesome. Yeah. So I'm going to give you some good news.

The feeling of imposter syndrome is, for me, a sign that the trainer or the potential trainer or the about to become trainer person actually cares. So if you didn't really care about doing a really good job, this really wouldn't become an issue. But for you, you're like, man, I really want to help these people. Do I have what it takes? So that's where it comes from. So I'm going to give you some more good news, okay? 95% of everything you're going to learn and every certification and every course when it comes to diet, exercise, you know, program design, all that stuff, you're never going to use with your clients.

Most of your clients, most of the people that work with a trainer need the basics, need the absolute basics. they don't need, now there's a 5% out there that are going to need like really specialized correctional exercise or a functional medicine practitioner, in which case, I always encourage trainers to have a network of people they can refer out to to work with alongside with. The most important thing you can do as a trainer above and beyond beyond anything else is have somebody be willing to follow you and allow you to guide them, which comes from trust. If you don't get that, I don't care, nothing else matters. That's the most important thing.

Most important thing is the trust part. So here's what you do. You go out there and you start working with people and you tell them and you be honest. I'm new, but I love doing this. Here's what I've went through. I'm going to ask you to trust me. I don't know everything, but what I do know is you're in good hands with me. And I really want to get you to your goals and I really want to do a really good job.

And if they trust you, that's it. That's, again, 95% of everything is going to be that right there. So that's the most important thing. But the fact that you feel it overcaught, there's nothing. worse than an overconfident trainer. That is a disaster of a trainer. The trainer thinks they know everything and I got it all and I'm whatever. They typically do more damage than good oftentimes with their clients.

But the trainer that goes in and says, man, I really care about these people. I really want to help them. I don't have all the answers. But one thing I do know for sure is I want to do a good job and I want to do this person right. That's the person that I can work with as a mentor, as a gym manager. Those are the kind of trainers that become great trainers. So here's some action items. Keep learning.

Never stop learning. Even though you might not use most of that stuff, it's just going to keep things exciting for you and keep you hungry. And start working with people as soon as possible for free. This is where you're going to do most of your learning. The second thing you could do is work with a mentor. Are you following our elite trainer podcast? Are you listening to that yet?

No. I think I've seen a clip or two, but I haven't started watching like the full. Yeah, get on to YouTube and get on. and go to Elite Trainer Academy, you'll see that's a pot. So we have a whole arm of this business that's dedicated to trainers. So obviously we got popular from the podcast and grew and our maps programs as well. That was our staple for a long time. The last two years, we've really focused a lot on the trainers.

And it's a whole different arm of the business that we help develop trainers just like you. So start with that podcast. That's free. And if you want, we have our educator who helps trainers like yourself get jump started into like, okay do this national certification then go here go through our course get in our group let us help you um if that's something you're interested in i'll have and give you a call yeah for sure i definitely plan on uh doing y'all's personal training course uh in the future after i do my ns a m and i'll i have started uh i trained my brother uh like i've been good like three or four weeks ago he's uh

i'm like six three he's six one he's like two 55 so he's pretty big and we've been going like twice a week. And then I've trained a couple other people for a few weeks too. So I'm like starting to build a bit of confidence. But I feel what I'm good at right now is like behavioral change and mindset, not really, you know, big confidence.

That's like 90% of everything. That's the most important part of training. Are you, is there a big box gym where you're at? Not super big. I go to anytime fitness, so it's pretty small. But there's like a crunch. There's a plan of fitness. Yeah.

Go get a job at a big box gym. You're going to get a lot of great experience working at them, working with different people. That'd be the place to start. It's reps, man. Yeah, a year there of dedicated work and, you know, trying to help people. You'll get so much out of that at a big box gym just because of the volume. That's where I think you should start. You get your NASM and you go through our trainer course and any of those places will hire you in a heartbeat.

Yeah. Super fast. Yeah. Having an NASM going through our course, you name drop, mind pump, and you go through an ASM and you're going to get a job anywhere you want to go. The bigger the gym, the better because you're going to get more volume, more practice. It doesn't even matter what they pay you. A lot of trainers, they get so caught up on what percentage or hourly.

It's like, no, you want to learn. Yeah, you're right now at the learn phase of your business. So you just need to learn as much. Nothing will give you a faster education than more reps, more practice, more clients. And so try to do something small or private or niche where you get to collect all the money is not worth it to you right now. you want to get volume. You want to get practice and get people in front of you.

That's what's going to get you really good in a short period of time. Okay, sweet. Awesome. That sounds great. Cool. Yeah, you got it, man. Rees, I'll have Ann call you and she can help you out with any more questions you have about it. Okay, thanks, y'all.

And yeah, I found you all pretty soon, and it's exactly what I needed at the time. Just the stuff you're talking about. So I appreciate y'all. Yeah, yeah. Start watching the Elite Trainer Academy. You'll be a lot of good stuff there. Yeah. Okay, for sure.

Thanks, y'all. All right, man. Yeah. You ever think back to what a blessing it was that. we all started in the big box atmosphere. Oh, yeah, I know. Yeah. Like, you're not going to get all those variables that much volume at that amount of time like

anywhere else. It just really isn't going to happen. Although you did, you guys did bring something up before we got on. It's so funny. We were talking about this and then this is our first caller today. The mentorship and the help that you get is very different today than it was back. It is. The culture has changed.

That's why I want to. Hopefully he leans on us for that. Yeah. Because it is a little, you know, we had an opportunity, I don't know, it was about six, seven years ago when we were touring around the gym, the big gyms all over the place. Yeah, it was like 2019. Yeah, and was really shocked by just how little they had been taught, you know, like some of the things that I thought we all thought were. We thought were the basics. Yeah, really basic stuff that you teach a trainer who's starting your business, but they really have removed a lot of that.

And I know they cut overhead, you know, so it was trying to save money. And you see that there's a lot of trainers that. that are in this guy like Reese's position that need that help, that mentorship, and they're just not able to get it, even in a big box gym. Our next caller is Brandon from Arizona. What's up, Brandon?

What's up, guys? How are you doing? Good, how can we help you? Well, so initially I started out in the email I sent, I was trying to get as large as humanly possible. I'm staying like every guy, I think initially has the want to. But then I'm an F-45 guy. I run an F-45.

as you guys know, group fitness style stuff. And then I started going through a bunch of injuries because it's so stinking fast pace. And then from an athlete background, I would rather just be able to move well and, you know, stay out of injuries. And then I got invited to play like professional flight football. And I just realized, like I don't have my explosiveness anymore. And I feel like the group fitness stuff kind of took away from that. And so I'm kind of like stuck in a little bind of like what, you know, kind of where I go next. I guess.

Brandon, what did you, when you were playing, what did you weigh at? And then what do you weigh now compared to that? Just a steady curiosity. So when I was playing, my last year of college ball, I was playing, I was running around at about 2.30. Yeah. I've since then put on about 25 pounds. It hasn't really been bad weight necessarily, but I feel like obviously my explosiveness

is gone. And I don't know if you guys have ever done any at 45 or anything, but it's more so endurance rather than being explosive. So yeah, that's fine where I'm at right now. I want to stay strong, and I'd rather than looking good, I'd rather be able to move well. I got kids. My son's trying to play football soon. So, yeah.

How many days a week? What's your workouts look like? What are you doing right now? Well, as of right now, I've transitioned. I used to, when I was going through a bunch of injuries, I was working out like six days a week. I was doing like two, sometimes three in a day. But now I'm doing four times a week.

and I'm utilizing rest and I go to like rest and recovery and everything and so I just don't do you guys know who Tim Grover is? Okay, so I'm doing I'm doing now one of the jump attack the jump attack program because that's just like the best thing I figured I could do right now

at this moment I stopped doing at 45 so I just kind of want to see where your recommendation is from from this point on. If you're looking for explosive power and agility the majority of your training should look like pliometrics, you know, type drills. Maybe one day a week of strength training,

but the rest, because it's a skill. Now, getting lighter is going to help because you're 253 or 25 pounds heavier. So losing some body weight makes a difference. But the vast majority of your training is going to be relearning the skill of explosiveness. So it's going to look like... One day a week of strength training.

Maybe. That's it. One day a week, very basic strength. Yeah, yeah. You're training your muscles differently. Like strength training to build is slow. And that's okay if that's what you want. But if you want speed and explosiveness, if you look at the way the Soviets trained,

and I recommend you do this, look up and see how the Soviets trained their athletes. And they did in comparison to other athletes, very little strength, very little traditional, I should say, strength training. It was almost all explosive-based exercise, almost all of it. And their athletes just were incredible. The Morinovich's. That's right. Yeah.

There are all kinds of plyometrics. So in terms of like what we have programming wise, like I think the biggest, the best matches are performance advance. And you scale that down like two, but like you're saying, maybe even one strength specific workout with that. But the rest is like just building them developing up that skill. So if it is power that you're seeking, like, you know, that is going to devote that specificity. So if you are to also to like compliment that with. mobility training. So we reinforced the joints. So I don't know how, you know, you're doing in terms of like restrictions or any kind of pain or anything like that as, you know, we age or as we haven't

done our sport in a long time too. All that kind of plays into a factor. So that honestly, I would recommend probably our performance advance program. So would you say performance advance, focus on on power, explosiveness? Power or speed. And scale down the strength from two days a week to one day a week. And that's all built in there. So that's, that was the big focus. Because if that's really,

you're specifically trying to achieve that type of movement again, like that needs to be the entire focus. You already built yourself quite the foundational strength. Oh, yeah. So, you know, we're not really concerned about that. We need to build, develop that skill back.

And Brandon, do not be surprised how much muscle and strength you will still have from training one day a week. You've built such a good foundation. And I don't know how long you've been listening to show, but I know Sal's talked about that study so many times that, that literally one day every two weeks will maintain muscle mass. So you don't need to progress there anymore.

You've already built a ton of muscle. Really, the goal is now is to keep as much of it as you can while we get really explosive and quick. And you should lighten up. You're going to want your body weight to be a little bit lower than what it is when you're actually getting back to playing sport. And it'll naturally do that. And you'll be happy with the way you look, I promise.

But one of the hardest things to do when I get a whole, any of us, get a hold of an athlete is to convince them to do less of certain things because their mentality is more, right? If I have this goal now, I'll just throw that on top of what I was already doing and now more of this and more. It's like, man, there is an appropriate dose that will give you the best results. And Justin and Sal are telling you that right now. If you trust us and stick to that, I promise you're going to be really happy, but you've got to trust us and then follow that, but you'll get what you want. And we have the program for you. I mean, that program was written with your type of like what you want to do in mind that's why we created it.

Gotcha. So do you think I'll see a reduction in strength or is it like that's going to be maintenance mode doing one day and week? That's so different for me. Well, what do you want? Do you want slow grinding strength or do you want explosive power? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, explosive power, I guess I just, and I've never trained like that before. So I guess it's like I feel like I would just lose my muscles. No, but here's the deal. You might. But you got to ask yourself what you want because, look, strength is so much of a skill. It's not even funny. It's a lot of, it's not just muscle. It's also the programming behind the muscle.

So you may lose your top end squat and deadlift, but you're going to be way faster and have more explosive power. And you know what matters in sports? Do you just cycle back and you get right back? You know speed matters so much more and explosiveness in sport. You know that. I know you know that. Yeah. Yeah, we don't go sell that to you.

And so you having a max bench press of 450 does you know good if you can't hit somebody fast or change direction fast. Like that that's going to carry up. And so maybe your max bench goes down from, you know, 400 down to 315, but you're moving faster. And that's still strong. I highly doubt it. I highly doubt it. When you get into speed power, what you're going to do is you're going to like ramp up your capacity to generate force. Now when you ramp up your ability to generate force, that translates into lifting weights as well.

So, you know, I highly doubt it. The thing is, like, it's going back and then you're going to go through a period of, like, having to build up again, like the ability you had with benching and squatting and all that because those are specific skills themselves. So you're basically kind of shelving those a bit to build, develop these skills, which then still bleeds over back into it. So just I wouldn't be too concerned about it. And the reason why I'm saying what I'm saying is you've got to let it go. Because if you try doing this with the constant fear of I don't want to lose, I don't want to lose my muscles. Every day you see anything go down. You're not going to, yeah, you're not going to reap the max benefits you can from explosive training.

Yeah. I mean, do you, any thoughts of actually having someone coach you through this process? Is that something that you've thought about? Because it might be worth the investment to just have somebody checking it in on you every now and then. Yeah, I totally thought about that. I just, I'm preparing. I got baby. you number three comments. I just want to be smart with like everything. So so so that,

but that 100% cross my mind. I've never been like legitimately coaching everything. I feel like my whole career has been kind of like here's a thing, do it on your own show up, lift and you leave kind of deal. But I feel like I never got good legitimate true coaching on it. If you, if you understand, uh, pliometrics, like you understand some basic lateral plyometrics, some kind of reactive pliometrics, and you're looking for a good coach, uh, the sometimes it can be hard to find a really good athletic coach who understands how to train someone for power so they can be hard to find. A sprinting coach is a lot easier to find. So if you find a good sprinting coach and have them work on your sprinting and then you understand how to do the lateral stuff,

the reactive stuff, that's not a bad combination at all. Okay. And then one last thing, as far as the eating, I haven't been tracking for, shoot, I don't know how long do you think I should get back into tracking for that? Or should I just keep going the whole natural food route? If you're already finding that you're getting leaner by eating whole natural food, just stay there. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Cool. And then remind me that program you guys said. We're going to send it to you. Yeah. Oh, dude, you guys are awesome. Yeah, yeah. We got you. We got you.

Thank you guys so much. You guys are rock stars. Seriously. All right, Brandon. Take it easy, bro. Yeah. Bye-bye. It's so funny.

I literally just watched. There was a clip that came up. I don't remember what was YouTube or whatever. And it was the Soviet athletes. And it was showing how they were training. And you see these guys. like hopping on one leg, you know, or going up a stair or doing all this, like, explode.

And that's how they trained most the time. Yeah. And their athletes crushed because of it. Because you have to learn how to be powerful. Yeah. It's not just being strong. I mean, you guys are both right with your vise. Like, Justin's so right that you probably won't lose,

but I think you're also right that it's like, you should have the mentality that you might and who cares. And who says, let it go. But, yeah, exactly. Because if he does drop 25 pounds in this process, which he'll, he'll, he probably, won't move the same max bench press that he was moving before. There's a very good, good chance. But

he's going to feel like a beast, though, because he'll keep most of that muscle. And he'll, and he'll get, it'll now translate over better to Justin's point. And so even if he loses a little bit of PR and he's, his strength to weight ratio will be. Well, it sounds like he's already over the whole looking like you got the muscle, right? Like now use it. Like, express to the extent of like how you can use that muscle. And to do that, you really have, like, explosive training requires.

your dedication and focus. It's different skills. Like you watch a power lifter squat, a heavy squat, and then watch an Olympic lifter do a heavy squat, and they look very different. The Olympic lifter does not go down would look like slow and controlled. It is fat.

And that's because that's the way they train. They train to be fast. Yep. I was actually going to recommend the concierge program to him because he gets the program from us, and he just needs someone to, he's an ex-athletes. The nutrition part would help. Yeah, huh?

And so, yeah, it just has some. someone to look at his nutrition and check in with them on a monthly basis to make any sort of adjustments. If someone like that has got the discipline, has the experience, like, you just get a check in from the coach once a month who's just like checking up on the diet, checking up on all the numbers, like, okay, here you go, keep going that route. Or hey, let's move to this phase instead of that one. Like, I think that would have been perfect for him. So we should probably reach out, Doug, to him and just send him like an email and ask him if that's something he'd be interested in and set him up with one of the trainers. Our next caller is Amanda from Oregon.

Hi, Amanda. How are you doing Amanda? Oh my God, you guys. This is such an honor. I'm so stoked to talk to you. Thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking my question. It's pretty near and dear to my heart. I've been a lash artist for, oh my God, it'll be five, four years. It'll be four years next month. So I'm super happy to be here. I've been listening to you guys since I deployed four years ago and I found you to keep myself basically busy while I was over there for six. month, so I appreciate you guys in more ways than one. So I'll just get to my question. My name is Amanda Grisham, and I am a veteran and a former EMT turned stay-at-home mom slash home-based lash artist. Born with a servant's heart with a passion for fitness and challenges, I just started up on Nassum CPP course, and my ultimate goal is to specifically help beauty professionals. We, as you guys probably know, are some of the most unhealthy people because of the demands from our jobs and ourselves.

We under eat, rarely have a good training program, and the physical demands of our jobs are a lot more than people think. This leads us all at the end of the day to say we're too tired or in too much pain to develop a proper program for ourselves, and then down the drain, our bodies go. I can't tell you how many times I've seen the all or nothing mindset in our industry, and I honestly think most of it has to do with really having no idea of where to start. I think a good way to break a lot of these ladies into working out is to give them good exercises to start on to be more proficient in just their jobs, It's not necessarily a full-on program because sometimes that asks like a little too much commitment out of them. I mean, unless there's one that you guys suggest, but things that can help them in their day-to-day.

Hairdressers usually stand all day, lash artists sit all day in a weird, hunched-over position, and it's the same thing with nail techs. Our body mechanics, quite frankly, are fucked. As you guys know, this trajectory leads us to all be overweight in pain and or have to give up her careers because our bodies are wrecked. In the lash industry, I have lost count of how many women I've seen that have to close their doors because they're develop carpal tunnel, compressed discs, all the things. And I thought it would be amazing to ask you guys, which one or more of your programs would you recommend specifically to the beauty industry gals, because I really only trust you guys. Or if you could give us a handful of things to do at home that could help our backs, wrists, shoulders, hips, knicks, all the usual

suspects in an industry like this. I want to help out with these challenges in an industry I care deeply for and give myself a little education along the way from the best guys in the business that I know I can trust. What a great question and set up nice. You, you painted, because we have a lot of experience. I mean, Adam and I have talked about this, in fact, that we've trained a lot of people in your space, and you painted it so accurately. Yeah.

So accurately. There's something about what you do, well, besides the mechanics, and I used to see this all time, most common things, tight, shoulders, neck, wrists, hand issues, yeah, very, very common feet. Sometimes you'll see a lot of foot pain. Oh, I have a ton of foot tension. Yeah, for sure. It's our fasciitis.

And then the all or nothing mentality, which I don't know, I don't know how all that goes hand in hand, but it's so common with people in your space where they're like, I'm doing it all. And it's like, I'm fasting and I'm doing this. I'm doing it. So you painted it perfectly. I think the perfect. So overall fitness always is best, right? But you're like, okay, give me some specifics. I love our prime pro program.

I was going to say prime pro with Mass 15. That's it. For our specific. Really? Okay. Yes. So Prime Pro because you can go in there and you could pick two or three movies. movements that you would do

naked wrist cars at the beginning of your shift and after every two or three clients you would do them again so throughout the day what it looks like is in the beginning before your shift you do 10 to 15 minutes

and then either in between every client or every couple clients five minutes of some of these movements and you would focus on the areas that you think you need the most help so shoulder scapula probably really important wrist and hand

movements that are in there so very invaluable and you can pick and choose He was like, I'm going to do some of these. And in between clients is how I would do that. I love that. I didn't even think of Prime Pro. Yes.

And then Math 15 is your workout. Yep. Yep. That's your workout program. You have such a legit business idea on your hands right now. The fact that you have the experience, you have the knowledge and understanding of what these people need and there's not somebody specifically serving them. If you're not already starting to build content around what you do and which, I mean, you've got to start doing this. I think it's such a brilliant idea.

Thank you, Adam. It's so unique, too, because Matt, like, there's no one. There's no one for us. And those ladies, because again, Sal's right, I've trained a ton in your space, do not, are not attracted to a Maps 15 type of protocol. They are the super setting jump lunges, doing all, and then they burn out,

and then they don't. And then it's just back and forth like that. And so you can connect with them, which you will be able to do that better than we could. If you can connect to them and you build literally a, the Maps 15 protocol as what they strength trains, it's only two exercises a day, you know, when they're training.

and then the movements from Prime Pro, and you can individualize it for them, like Sousing. So it's great the way we bring that up is it's all the major joints in the body. So if you had a specific client that you were servicing and she's like, oh, God, it's my neck and wrist. All you're going to do is focus on neck and wrist stuff for her. That's all she's going to get is her protocol.

Then you get someone else who's got more ankle feet stuff or knee and hip stuff. And so it's not like you're telling them, here's all of Prime Pro follow the whole thing. No, you take specific parts of it and you apply it to whatever that client. clients needs are. And God, they'll have a great little program on your hands. I'm not trying to overwhelm anybody. No, you know that a huge issue in our industry is like,

dude, I don't have fucking time for this. I've got kids. I got to go home and cook. I have too much shit to do. So, and on top of it when they've been standing all day or for somebody like me, I know my left trap screams at me by the time I'm done with, because I'm sitting like this all day with tweezers. I look like a fucking T-Rex. So by the time I'm done, I'm like the last thing I want to do is work out. So I'm trying to give like little tidbits just to kind of get them introduced. Here's how you're going to sell it, Amanda. You're going to sell it like this.

Hey, do you have wrist pain or hey, do you have neck pain? Try this movement. Do it for five minutes. Then start working on your clients. In between your clients, do it and see how you feel. That's how you're going to get them bought in. Then the next question is, well, what about for workout? And then you can talk about that.

Yeah. Selling math. Selling math 15 to people in your space to be very hard. Yeah. But showing them how to get rid of pain immediately. That's going to sell you. That's what I would build all my Instagram or social media content around is exactly what Sal said. I would literally speak to your demographic and say,

next bothering you, try this before and after work shifts. And like literally just teach that, give it away for free. Use all the stuff that you learn from Prime Pro. And that becomes your content of like attracting your specific client with that. And then he's exactly right. Once you show that lady or that dude like that,

their ability to get rid of that neck or shoulder pain from a couple movements, you'll blow their mind and then they'll reach out to you like, How did you? What did I do? And it would be like this. Like, hey, lash artist, do you suffer from lash neck? What's that? Oh, that's where you get pain right here.

Here's a couple of movements. Let's make it. I'm serious. I'm serious. You're branding it for them. They'll try it. And in five minutes, they'll see the pain go down.

Yeah. It's not like a workout where you got to wait a month or two to see results. When it comes to correcting for pain, you can oftentimes reduce the pain right then and there. Are you, are you, I mean, where are you at with the NSM? Did you just start it?

Where are you out with it? Oh, man. This has been quite the journey. So I actually bought the course while I was overseas. I ended up doing the nutrition coach program and I was able to complete that just fine. But we were about to leave as soon as the CPT program was even available to me. And then I came home. I stopped working in the hospital as an EMT.

And then I got back into the beauty industry. So I had been building my business for quite some time. So now, you know, after so I got pregnant, I had my son. And then I essentially had to stop lashing full time, just daycare. prices and all the crazy shit. So I have had to stay at home, but my husband, God bless him, saw that I was turning psychotic because I didn't have anything like for me to do. Yeah. So I started back up on the on the lashing and stuff, but obviously since I can't do that full time, I'm like, I really miss doing stuff with fitness. I am looking in shape like a bag of

milk right now, but I'm trying to try to get my my life back together as far as fitness goes. And I know I'm always inspired when I'm watching you guys more and when I'm working on something fitness related. So I'm kind of just getting back into the personal training aspect. And now, and now that like, like Adam, like you said, it's kind of like a, almost like a business mentality because I've been doing lashes for so long now. I'm kind of thinking, okay, where is, where is the need? Where is a need in the lash industry right now? And everybody's putting out brands and products, and they're all doing their own thing. But I haven't seen a single person, and I follow a lot of people. I haven't seen a single person go, hey, I am solely dedicated to the beauty industry.

as a fitness professional. I have not seen it. So I think it's a brilliant idea. I think you have to do this. I would love to, I hope you get in our trainer course in our trainer community because I would love to help you

through this process. So get in there. That is like, I'm waiting on my VA rating right now, actually, but you guys are the first place I'm coming once I got. Yes, I would love to help you through this process. I think you're sitting on a home run idea

and I have never seen anybody that's specifically talking about you. Nobody is addressing the pain that you guys feel and you guys have specific types of pain, just like every, you know, different fields after you guys have specific types of pain. Here's step one. We're going to send you Prime Pro if you don't have it already. Oh, thank you. And then when you go in there, and Maps 15, when you go on there. I have Maps 15.

Okay, good. When you go into Prime Pro, find the movements that help you first. That'll help you communicate. Yeah. That help me personally? Yes. So you're like, you said, what would you say left trap pain? Is that what you said? My left trap and then, you know, obviously neck stuff, but my left trap in particular. Look at the scapular and shoulder stuff. Start there before you go back. I don't know if it would be smart to start with neck. without addressing that first. Try a couple of those movements, follow the prompts, do it perfectly, and do them throughout the day. So let's say you have three or four clients in a day, do it at the beginning, do it in the middle,

do it at the end. And then once you start to see like, okay, this is great, that'll help you communicate. You can't practice that stuff too much, right? So if you're bored throughout the day, do it more. Like Sal's saying, at least do it that many times, but do it all time, do it all time, practice, get good at it, and you'll notice the difference. And so, and then honestly, that's how I build my content is almost like around my own personal journey.

So there's that place too. Like if you have some people have like imposter syndrome from teaching something like that because they're just learning himself, then then create it that way. Like, oh man, I've, I started doing this. It's blown, you know, so teach that way too is fine as you can create content of sharing your journey through that process of learning it. But yeah, use our stuff, build some content around that. I totally think you have a great business idea.

Awesome. Thank you guys so much. Before I go, first of all, I appreciate your guys' time endlessly. I've been a huge fan of you for a long time. Sal, you in particular, I wanted to thank you. My maiden name is actually Oliva. So I tell everybody that you're my Sicilian brethren. And I introduced you to my dad who is, he's 71 now.

And he was actually an LAPD officer in the 80s. So he's done some crazy stuff. So back then, obviously it was about, you know, roiding out and working out as much as you possibly could. And, you know, getting crazy in the gym. and I told him, you know, he was trying to carry that on into his, you know, 60s and 70s, and I told him, Dad, you're doing way too much. I recommended your book to him. Pretty sure he read it in two days.

Oh, wow. And he watches you guys pretty religiously now, too. So I really appreciate you guys helping out my dad just kind of by proxy. So thank you. You guys are great. Keep doing what you're doing. I appreciate you so much. Thank you for taking my question.

Thank you so much. I look forward to seeing you, Amanda. All right. Thanks, Adam. Bye, Justin. Bye, bye, sell. I just reminded me, one of the smartest. You know, we talk about how you can build business.

One of the smartest things I ever saw somebody do is I had a massage therapist who often, because one of the things that massage therapists do to build their business, they offer free chair massage in different places. Yeah. She did it in a hair salon for the people working there. Smart. And it was brilliant because a lot of people don't realize it working on hair, standing. It's all neck, trap, wrist stuff. That's brilliant for several reasons. One, great demographic to go after.

Two, you change a hairstylist life that you blow her mind. She sees 10 people again. She tells every single person. Plus, those salons get all kinds of foot traffic. So people are seeing you do the work. And that's a million dollar idea right there. Her next caller is April from Wisconsin. Hey, April.

You doing April. Hey, guys. Good to see you again. How can we help you? So I was on about four months ago. And I think my question was around how I wasn't seeing results. due to low-carb diet, that sort of thing. And we ended with the call where you guys were saying,

I need to focus less on aesthetics. And you recommended that I run the power lift. I will say that I did find a sort of the opposite of what you recommended. I had just, I know, right? I had just signed on with a new coach, I think a month before our call. And I wanted to give him the fair shake, right? So he designed a program for me.

We actually went into a deficit. We were going into summer months, and I was really afraid of feeling fluffy in my summer clothes. And we did, I think, a deficit for about 10 to 12 weeks. I ended up losing, I think, 7 pounds. I will say that that was very hard to do. We got really low in calories. And every time, like, I would look at how many calories I could consume. I was like, oh, mind pump would kill me right now.

We were down to, I think, 1450, and I was feeling terrible, okay? But I tried to trust the process and I really wanted to do it just to prove to myself that I could. I will admit I've been that person that has started and fallen off a wagon several times within my fitness journey in the last, you know, 10 to 15 years. So hiring a coach, I paid for it. I was invested. So I just, I went with it. about two months ago, I had kind of a stressful event in my life happen. And my coach said, okay, let's reverse out of this. Let's raise you up to 1620. We eventually got to 1750.

I would say after about six weeks reversing out of the deficit, I'm at like 1850 for calories. And I'm wondering now that I did not follow your advice and I'm ready to, at this point, since my coaching has, it is coming to an end, do you guys still recommend that I run powerless? or is there a different program that's better fit for doing the reverse diet? Powerlift. About six weeks into it. Power lift and keep reverse diet. Powerlifting.

Okay. Well, let me ask you a couple questions. Is that okay, April? To ask you a few more? Yeah, go ahead. You said when you were going in the deficit with your coach before that you were trusting the process. What was the process that you were trusting when you were doing that?

Good question. So the reason why I hired him was because his main focus was recomp, right? and I think on the call to I stress that I was very self-conscious with, I put my body weight in my lower half, and it was just something that I was hyper-focused on. And his whole thing was like, I have to get the body fat off, and it's going to come off of their last.

So he's like, let's do a deficit before we build. He did say we could go either direction, but because it was like May-ish is when we started, it was just going into summer months. And I kind of made the comment that, like, I didn't want to do the reverse diet going into, you know, when I'm wearing shorts in a swimsuit. And I just wasn't in the headspace to do that.

Gotcha. The reason why I ask that question is trusting the process is great so long as it's a good process. Yeah. Trusting a process that's not good is is not great. It's not great. Right. So looking back, do you feel like, yeah, I kind of made a mistake?

It sounds like you're saying that. No, I don't know if I made a mistake. I think it was a good. challenge to go through. I think as I was going through it, I was putting it through like the mind pump filter. Like, okay, this is what the guys would say. I know that. And I think it really helped me like jump on board with the whole fact that I don't want to chase aesthetics. Like that's, you know, one is superficial. And the strength is where I need to, you know, put all my eggs, I guess. So I think it just took me going through the deficit, going through that to, you know, come to the side of like,

okay, it's not about the way I look. It's about the way that I feel. It just took me a long time to go, like, to realize that. So what you're saying is that because you went through that process, that now you're like, okay, I need to do things differently. Yeah. Oh, fully. Because like when I came out of the deficit and I started eating,

even just 200 calories more, I was like, holy cow, I feel so much better because I was really tired and my lips were terrible and going to the gym wasn't fun. And after I started. like adding more calories like, okay, like this, this feels really good. I want to keep this going. I think had I had done that before I lost a little bit of weight, you know, five pounds, seven pounds, whatever, it probably wouldn't have been a lot harder for me mentally. But I do think like, I mean, you guys were right from the beginning.

I just, I kind of had to go through some hard stuff first to like to get to here. Totally. And that's this whole journey. Yeah. It's very difficult journey. And there's a lot of lessons that, that you're going to learn through kind of doing it the wrong way or and that's just what this fitness journey looks like. How do I know you're going to take my advice this time? Because I promise. You know, it's funny. You guys, I listen religiously.

Like, I actually love the content you guys put out. So like I am like following you guys from here on out. I mean, I have been regardless. But you had, I think his name was Jamie. You had him on the show. He had lost a ton of weight. And one of the things that he said that really stuck with me was, I'm just a guy that goes to the gym four days a week. I'm just a guy that works out. And hearing him say that, I'm just like, you know, I'm going to adopt that for myself. Like, I'm just going to go to the gym four days a week, right? Like, I could give it 10 percent.

I could give it 70 percent. I don't care. I'm going to the gym. And once I remove this idea of there's a deadline, there's a deadline, there's a finish line. Once I took that out of the picture, it's like, this is for life. I know you guys preach it, but a person, really has to go through it at their own pace to figure that out. And I feel like now that I've

gotten to this point where it's like, I want to be, you know, in my 60s and 70s, I want to be that woman in church who's got the muscles. You know, it's like you can buy the fake lips. You can buy the fake butt. You can buy all that, but you can't buy the muscles. So like I'm like here to earn that. And it feels good to finally feel confident to like say it and believe it myself. Well, here's the challenge with this is that you're not going to feel it before you do it. It's going to happen after. So what I mean by that is if you're going to wait until you get it before you really commit, you're going to wait forever. Right.

So this is going to be this. Because right now what you're saying is all the stuff you know up here, which you do before. In fact, some of the clues you gave us as you were talking about what you did with the other coach was, oh my God, mind pump would kill me right now. if they saw this. So, you know, months ago, you knew what you know now. Yes. The difference now has to be this. It has to be this.

I'm going to do it even though I don't want to. I'm going to follow this and I'm going to trust it even though I'm going to hate it. I don't want to hate it though. So how do I not hate it now? April, you're going to hate it at first. There's nothing I can. There's no way to fix that. You're going to talk yourself.

It's not going to feel comfortable until you're into it. You have to feel great. understand that we all, we all suffer from some form of body dysmorphia. We just, it's just all of us. I don't care how long we've been doing this. That you're always going to have that underlying feeling in there. And so when you have a day when Sal tells you to eat 2,000 calories and you feel puffy. Because that's what I'm a day to do. Or you feel, you feel a little lethargic, you know, or you feel like you're holding water because

those things are going to happen through this process. You go, oh my God, this isn't working. You go that you're going to go the other way. but if you accept that that's part of the process that you know what that's kind of probably I'm probably going to have some weeks like that where I'm feel that way I'm not I'm I don't care I'm still going through his path I know it's the right way so that's what he's trying to communicate right now is that you're going to have those moments you are going to feel that way and if you revert back to the same temptation that made you drop drop when you still had the same knowledge back then you're going to do it and so right now accepting that I'm going to have some uncomfortable

days where I'm not used to feeling this full or eating this much food. And I'm going to tell myself, I believe and trust this process because I know what I want. Yeah. So would you be open to working with one of our coaches that has a different process? Yeah, absolutely. That's your best bet. I think that would be smart. That's your best bet because it's going to be uncomfortable.

Yeah, week one, week two, you get into week four or five, you're going to start feeling uncomfortable. I don't like this. I don't like the way it feels. I feel like I'm meeting too much. I don't like the way, whatever. and you're going to need that coach to kind of continue to guide you through that process. Because right out the gates, you're going up to 2,000 calories, right out the gates.

You're going to follow a mass power lift. So we're going to reverse that you again. And it's not going to be until months after that you're going to be like, oh, wow, I like this. It's working. It's working. But it's going to be uncomfortable. Can I run power lift the whole time staying at 2,000 calories? Or do I need to, like, increment, like, up while I'm running?

I'm going to give you the answer, but then I'm also going to tell you, I don't know, because, It depends on how you feel. What I mean by that is if you're like really pulling your hair out, then I'll be really slow. But ideally, ideally you're going to keep reversing. Ideally, you're going to continue to reverse and we'll probably get you close to 24, 25, something like that, 100 calories. But it depends on how uncomfortable it is for you. Because you may be like, look, I'm not going up another 100 calories. Like I'm holding on right now to what I'm doing and this is it.

And your coach should be like, okay, we'll stay here for a little bit. But if you're like, you know what, I think I can do it. Then they'll continue to reverse you. That's their job. Yeah. We'll take care of that for you. Okay. Cool.

I'll have somebody call you April. Source it. Yeah. Okay. That'd be awesome. Yeah. I'm already prepping like, okay, it's Wisconsin here. It's obviously very nice today.

But like, I'm okay going through the process of the winter season. This is what's cool. We're going to have someone call and then we're also going to do another follow-up call, which will be great. This would be fun for the audience to see where you were, what you heard and you did listen. and then he came back and then we went to the whole process. I will listen, okay? I promise, I promise. Can I ask one more question that's kind of sort of unrelated?

Through this whole process, like, I have absolutely fallen in love with fitness and nutrition, right? Like, I feel like someone who follows you guys for a long time. They kind of like feel that pull to like maybe make a career switch. And I am very interested in the nutrition side of things just with my background, my health history. And I'm a trained graphic designer. I'm on a graphic design studio. I'm already self-employed, but I feel like I want to make a pivot slowly, but I'm very interested in learning more about nutrition, taking the courses, maybe taking on some clients. I'm wondering if you guys have any advice for me, like, or for somebody in general, like making a career change and jumping into

this space. Yes, yes. So actually, actually working with a coach is going to be the best thing you can do right now. Watch how they coach you. That process will be like a mentorship for you. So just doing it with them personally. That becomes even more important now. Yeah. So cool. You're going to see what the process looks like for sure.

Here's something else, I want to tell you something. If you don't tell, if you don't do what we tell you perfectly, that's okay too. I know. Okay. This is not a game of perfect. Chastise you for anything. No, it's not. It's hard.

It's really hard. That's part of, that's actually part of accepting this process, too, is that you're probably going to have some pitfalls along the way. That's okay. That would, tomorrow's the next day. and we're on. And that's part of the coaching is that after you go through this coaching program, because I agree with Sal,

this will be some of the best, like, teaching process for you if you're considering career switch. Then the next level to that, since I know that it was Graves disease, is that what it was? Yeah. So Dr. Cabral has a really good thorough certification in functional medicine,

which is if you want to move in that around. Now, it's pretty heavy and it's a lot. So I wouldn't recommend it at first. So the first thing to do is go through this with a trainer. I think you're going to get a lot from that. But if you want to move in that direction where you help people with autoimmune type stuff, he's the guy.

That's what he does is he certifies coaches and trainers and they're really, really good at what they do. One last thing, April, this is what it's going to feel like at the end of this. It's going to feel good and relaxed. It's not going to be a stressful process because this whole time you've been doing this and you're trying to follow what you're supposed to do and you listen. And it's a stressful process. It's not, you can't stress yourself into better health. It doesn't work that way.

So what it's going to feel like at the end of this is feel, it's going to feel good and relaxed. You're going to rest in it. It's not going to be like you're gripping on to things with your fingernails. At the end of the rainbow, you're going to have the body you want and eating double the calories you ever ate. That's what's going to. That scares me, though, because because I eat so clean, I feel like I already eat so much. So I'm trying to think like what high calorie food can I eat in my diet? Wait till you start building muscle.

Watch when you start putting, that muscle's hungry. Hungry. We put five pounds of muscle on you, which is not a crazy. You put five pounds of muscle on. You are going to be hungry. You'll see. You'll see. Okay.

So don't worry. Yeah. Don't worry about that. Okay, cool. Well, have someone call me and we'll keep this train going. You're going to be on again. All right, April. We'll see it a little off.

Okay, sounds good. Thank you guys. Take easy. Bye. Bye. That's good. I'm glad we had her back on. I'll tell you what, I'm glad she had the courage to come back on.

I didn't do what you guys said. Yeah, that takes courage for sure. That does because most people would be like, I don't want to tell these guys I didn't take any of their advice or whatever. I'm really glad because I felt like she was confused by the way you kept digging at that, but I'm so glad you did because that's right. You think in that mindset and you're so right, she had all the same knowledge she had last year, yet she still did it.

Like you knew better, you still did it. So what makes you think when we go for three weeks and all of a sudden you have a rough week where you feel fluffy? What she's going to have? Or somebody makes a comment or you see the way you look in an outfit you don't like and you go, oh my God, this isn't working and you bail. Like, why wouldn't you? Because you have the same knowledge now as you did then.

That's got to be trust. Yeah. So, you know, I think it's so it was important for her to hear, see, go through that because I think she was like, well, of course I'm going to follow you guys. Because I didn't. No, not of course. Yeah. In her head, she's thinking, of course.

But it's like, yeah. It's going to suck. And I don't mean it's going to suck because it's not going to work. It's going to suck because you're going to be uncomfortable. You're very uncomfortable. and you're going to want to default back to what you did before. So the difference isn't the knowledge. All patterns are comfortable.

That's right. The difference is going to be like, I'm going to accept the fact that this is going to be hard and I'm not going to be comfortable. That's the difference. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. We'll see you at Mind Pump Media.

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