Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2721: The Problem With "Science Bros" Fitness Advice

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Why you need to be careful when taking "science bros" advice. (3:06) Service makes a HUGE difference. Sal's experience at Disneyland. (17:58) The secret to rapid hair regrowth. (31:56) Caldera Lab's new hair care system. (34:13) Weight-loss drugs like Ozempic may also curb drug and alcohol addiction. (35:48) Cavities/gum disease and its connection to strokes. (40:50) Adam's brilliant job for kids. (44:40) Mind Pump's Black Friday Sale is live! (51:50) Thanksgiving season is here. (53:10) The most overrated/underrated Thanksgiving dish. (55:10) #ListenerLive question #1 – What is the best way to go about resetting my gut and getting myself back on the right track for longer-term health? (58:19) #ListenerLive question #2 – Can you provide some advice on my lifting progress, specifically concerning muscle loss during a cutting phase? (1:07:11) #ListenerLive question #3 – How would you change up the programs to be a little more lower body focused since my upper body already takes a lot of abuse with my daily life? (1:16:17) #ListenerLive question #4 – Tell me how to improve problem areas when following MAPS 15? Given where I'm at in life, should I try to do a longer program again or continue with MAPS 15? (1:25:33) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP20 for 20% off your first order of their best products. ** Visit Butcher Box for this month's exclusive Mind Pump offer!  ** New users receive their choice of a whole turkey in their first box, a ham in their first box, or ground beef in every box for the lifetime of their subscription. ** November Black Friday Deals (Nov. 1-15th): Sitewide 60% off. That includes every single MAPS program, bundle, MOD and guide. Enter the raffle now to win HUGE prizes: Bundles give you 10 entries, MAPS program gives you 3 entries, MODs or guides give you 1 entry. For programs go HERE. Enter the code BLACKFRIDAY at checkout.  Mind Pump Store Mind Pump #2665: Why "Science-Based" Lifting Is Killing Your Gains Ask Mind Pump Baldness Breakthrough: Fat Cells Could Be The Secret to Rapid Hair Regrowth Weight-loss drugs like Ozempic may also curb drug and alcohol addiction Cavities and Gum Disease Could Nearly Double Stroke Risk Visit Troscriptions for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP for 10% off your first order. ** MP Holistic Health Mind Pump #2615: Identifying Food Sensitivities With Dr. Stephen Cabral Muscle Mommy Movement Visit Brain.fm for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners. ** Get 30 days of free access to science-backed music. ** Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Bret Contreras PhD (@bretcontreras1) Instagram Joe DeFranco (@defrancosgym) Instagram Ben Bruno (@benbrunotraining) Instagram Dr. William Seeds (@williamseedsmd) Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram  

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when it comes to fitness advice. It's the science bros. Uh-oh. We had the gym bros. Now the science bros are giving people terrible information. We're going to talk about that today, what they preach and why they're often wrong and why you need to be careful when taking their,

advice. Can we do that? Is that what's that called like a little big league? Isn't that like what science pro would be? Oh yeah. What is that oxymoron? Is it an oxymoron? Is that a bit of an oxymoron? Well, you know, here's what I define as a science model. Oh, I already know who you do. I can pick, I can picture this guy. Yes.

These are. These are the fitness I don't know, influencers, I guess. I hate that term, but that's that's what I'll use. Fitness influencers who are all about the data. That's all they present and talk about. This is what the science says. This is what the study says. Therefore, this is what you need to do.

And this actually, oftentimes, now, I don't want to say that there's no value in data. So I want to be very clear. Science and data is very important when it comes to figure out what works best when it comes to fitness. Very important. But if all you do is rest all of your advice and laurels on the data, data and don't take into account experience or individual variants, things like that, you actually run into a lot of problems. And so oftentimes these days, I'm finding more challenges and issues with the science

bros than I am with the bro-bros, right? It used to be bro science. Maybe that was the term that we used back in the day with the people who just would give this crazy advice that had nothing backing it. Well, now we got the science bros, and I keep getting things sent to me from some of these influencers, well, they showed that this study said that this worked the best. And this study shows, this is the type of cardio. This is how you should lift weights. And because here's what makes them so dangerous. They're more dangerous than the bro-bros because they have immediate authority.

That's right. Because a study supports what they said and because they're speaking in scientific terms. People take it as gospel. That's right. And so it's much harder to dispel. And that makes them a little bit more dangerous, I would say. Yeah. So, no, this is, I mean, I feel like we've been talking about this since we've started this. It does, and I don't know if it's the algorithm on Instagram and so that, you know, once you start following one of these, you get, you get more and more of it. But it's a, it's, it's a dangerous place to be when it comes to getting in shape because a lot

of times the, the studies and what's controlled in a lab send the average person down the wrong path of getting in shape and getting healthy. And once you realize that more of this game has more to do with behavioral psychology than it does physiology and nutrition, which is what these guys always come from and argue that side, you realize that that stuff trumps it. I don't care if this is the best food to build muscle or do this. If it's something you hate eating and you're not going to do it because I don't care if this workout builds the most muscle. If you're you are terrible at following the protocol. Like there's so many things that,

I mean, one of the last things that we discussed, I shared with you guys last week when we were talking about when I kind of had this, you know, epiphany of why I think full body is so much more superior.

It has nothing to do with the studies. It has nothing to do with the studies the case that I was making. It was I understand not only my own behavior, but the hundreds of people that I've trained over decades and their behaviors. And if you follow this,

kind of bro split that a lot of people do to get in shape, what ends up happening is you fall off on and off the wagon, which is totally normal. And I would say 90% of the people go through that. And when you do that, it just interrupts this. In a year's time, you end up missing a lot of these body parts, which in his volume for those body parts,

but then regresses you or doesn't progress you. Whereas if I always train this full body, even if the studies say that they're equal, right as far as their results but i know human behavior plays such a huge role well then it ends up trumping that you know what i'm saying yeah that's a good example another just to take a step back to when you look at studies lots of things and studies are controlled yes in order to isolate certain variables i like to call them simulations yeah so they're not they're artificial simulations of what people are experienced in their lifestyle right so i'll use a great example so and i'll just to touch on what

saying at them. So if you look at studies, when total volume is controlled for, whether or not you train a body part two days a week or four days a week, maybe even one day a week. In fact, there's some data that doesn't make that big of a difference, that it doesn't matter so long as the volume is controlled, which that's true when you look at the studies. The studies aren't lying, by the way. I don't want to say, I'm not trying to come here and say that the studies are lying. What I'm trying to say is that, and I'll use this example again, is this study is not what happens in the real world. In the real world, volume is not perfectly controlled. And when you do all 15 sets for your back on Monday versus spreading it out over three or four workouts, there's actually more volume in the more frequent

workouts because why? Because you're stronger. Right. Even if you did the exact same sets. Yes. Because you end up being stronger. Even if you get the exercises the same. Yeah. Exercise the same, same sets, but what will end up happening is you'll end up lifting another rep or adding a little bit more weight because you're stronger. That's right, because you're not doing all 15 in one workout. But what they'll do in the studies is they'll control the volume. So same weight, same reps, same exercises, everything identical. Well, then, yeah, it doesn't make a difference. But that's, again, that's not how it works in the real world.

Another issue is that studies, and this is just this is not an issue with the study itself, but rather we can't do. or fund really long studies. It's kind of difficult to do. It's really hard to fund a year-long study with 100 people trying to look at things like rep ranges and stuff like that. And so when they follow these studies for 16 weeks and they compare things like rep ranges,

they'll show this particular rep range may be better or they're all the same so long as intensity is high. But when you work with people for a long time, you find that this just breaks down. And after six months, switching things out and moving into a different rep range does make a difference. But you wouldn't see that in a shorter study. You know what would be a fun series? I told you going to put this on air to put you on the spot.

Because maybe I can get you to do this. Oh, no. Well, it would be a fun series to have you do. Similar to how, remember how Lane used to do his, like, Friday new study breakdown or with that? You break down these new studies. I think there would be a lot of value in you breaking down old studies that we've all, we all take as gospel forever and poke the whole. holes in like, hey, here's, here's a study that everybody probably has heard of many times

and we know. Here's what I found in real world application and why, even though this is the truth or this is what we know from the study, this is where we may not follow this. Like, it would be cool for you to actually, instead of like doing brand new studies, but go back in like all these studies that and the one being an example we're talking about right now with comparing full body versus body part split. Like I think that's a really good breakdown. that the average person just doesn't think about. They see that and the way they translate that, which fair is like, oh, they're basically the same.

So do what I like to do. Or do what I enjoy doing the most. So that trumps that, right? Well, no, not if you follow the normal human patterns, which is, you know, and I'd love to see if we have a study for this, it's like, you know, you take a group of 100 people and you say, hey, try and work out consistently this year, report when you work out, and let's see the patterns of those 100 people.

I'm willing to bet that very few, with 100 actually never miss a workout and never miss a week of course they're they're going to be and then the question becomes what workouts are they missing yes which body parts tend to be neglected tends to be the ones they don't like right that's just what happens with human behavior yeah another one uh you know cardio is a this is established this is what would be considered established science and fitness right when you're comparing different forms of cardio which ones are the most time efficient and the best that fat burning well hit cardio wins it just does hit cardio in studies is superior. But it's not appropriate for everybody. This is where the, this is where the study now

falls apart. If you ask me over the last, you know, you know, two decades of training clients, how many clients I had or what percentage of my clients hit cardio was appropriate for, it was a minority. Yeah. A minority of my clients, not a majority, not even have. 30%, maybe. Maybe 20, 30%, where that was appropriate, where everywhere else, everyone else, if I had them do hit cardio, they would have got worse results because of their stress level. There's no joint integrity there. Yeah, their biomechanics. And so the study may show it to be superior for fat burning, but if I apply it to the wrong

person, which again, majority of my clients that would have been the wrong person, it would have been a disaster. Well, here's another one. The fasted cardio doesn't burn any more body fat. But I'll tell you, the reason why the bodybuilding community continues to do it, why I still appreciate it, is not because of the controlled people in the study. that, oh, it ends up, if they eat exactly the same calories and do exactly the same amount of movement. That's not how it works out. But that's not how it works out because what ends up

happening, if you're the person who gets up to do fasted cardio, that normally means you get up an hour earlier than what you went for and you start moving. And what that does to productivity throughout the day as far as total movement. And it's like, and then a lot of times, too, even the behaviors around eating. I got up, I got to, I started my day with the workout. I tend to want to eat better. Changes. There's a, there is a chain of events behaviorally that happens because I did something like that. Now, maybe the bros did a terrible job of breaking down the science of why it's so effective, but there's a reason why we've been doing it in the bodybuilding community for decades because

it works. It works really well, but it has more to do with all the behavioral changes that end up happening for that person that does that. And so there's an example of where, you know, the studies prove that that's, and then a whole bunch of people stopped doing that when it was probably really beneficial for that. Here's another one. This is more of a new one, right? Studies are showing that the stretch portion of a rep leads to the most hypertrophy.

So, okay, what does that mean? Well, if I'm doing a, if I'm doing a curl, the bottom part of the curl is where I get the most muscle growth. The mid-range and contraction produce less muscle growth. And so they'll study this. What they'll do is they'll say, okay, this group over here does curls where they're just focusing on that lengthen portion. You guys are doing this kind of mid-range. you guys doing this contraction contracted shortened position, which one builds the most muscle. And it is the stretch position. But here's where that is misleading. If you do a full range of

motion, it's not like you build less muscle, number one. So full range of motion versus just focusing on the stretch. It doesn't build less muscle to do a full range of motion. At best, they produce the same amount of muscle growth. So now someone's like, well, okay, well, why would I, why would I want to do a full range of motion? Because here's the other part that nobody talks about. If I just train in the stretch portion, most of the strength I'm going to gain is in that stretch portion. So I may build. Dysfunction.

So I may build the same amount of muscle in a three-month period by focusing on the stretch and not the full range of motion. But now I'm starting to create some dysfunction. And then here's where my previous point starts to come into play. Extend that out for a year or two with dysfunction. Will that dysfunction contribute to worse progress in the gym? Well, it impede on your actual performance in the gym. in the gym, yeah, because all the rest of your performance leading into their exercises can be affected.

That's right. So if I, you know, and that's another one with the hypertrophy, the science pros, hypertrophy's king. I don't care what this, as long as the study, if the study says this builds the most or the same amount of muscle. Yeah, they're, that's what I'm going to go with. But they don't consider all the other things that can later on either take away from or contribute to hypertrophy. Free weights versus machines is a good example. Machines versus free weights on a perpertrophy basis. You can argue based on the data are about the same. But we know that free weights, number one, the more appropriate, depending on different body shapes and sizes, machines are limited. Free weights follow the body. That's number one. Number two, it's more like the real world. Number three,

they require more mobility and more skill. So practice in them keeps that up better. And over time, you'll just move better if you did free weights. And does that contribute to better gains later on. Of course it does. Or to put it differently, would dysfunction get in the way of progress as you continue? Yes. In fact, if you interview a bunch of people, take a thousand people who've been consistent with strength training over 10 years and ask them, what's the number one thing that got in your way of progress and it's injury? Injury and pain is at the top, top, top of the list. And so you got to take that into consideration, which you won't necessarily see in a control study and most of them only last, you know, a few months, a few months long.

So this is where a lot of this stuff comes into play. It's like, uh, context and nuance, man. Yes. And so now, okay, so the question is where do I, where should I get my advice from? You want to take your advice. Askmind pump.com. Yeah. I mean, just, uh, we try our best.

That's why we built that. Yeah. I'll give a good, look, I'll give an example. I'll give an example of a person who understands the science, but also has the experience and understand this is a nuance because they've trained lots of people. Brett Contreras. Brett Contreras is a great example. Joe de Franco.

Joe de Franco. Another great example. These are trainers. Ben Bruno. Who know the science. They know the science. They could go toe to toe against any of the science bros when it comes to the data. But they've also trained hundreds or thousands of people.

And so they know how to apply the data. And they also know when to throw the data out. Like, okay, well, this is cool that the study shows us. But let's toss this out because I've never, this doesn't. really work in the real world. This is why I love the takes that Brett Contreras will have or Jodafranco will have and why a lot of the science bros that don't have this experience can be quite irritating to hear them, you know, spout some of the stuff.

And then people will take it as gospel, like you said, Adam, because it's based on studies, which makes it very difficult to contend with. Hey, how was Disneyland? Oh, God. Huh? Good time. The most expensive place on Earth. what they should label it. Do you know how it's crazy?

It's crazy. It's got an $8 water. It is. An $8 water bottle? Easy. So first, so we, we, we, all smiles. I was there for, uh, two days essentially with the kids. We took my niece and my mother law and, uh, I tracked, uh, we did like seven or eight miles a day. Yeah. Of walking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which, you know, it's exhausting for the little ones and you got to put up with all that or whatever. Yeah. But I was just, you know, I'm just paying attention to the, like, how much everything costs. I'm like, God, this place is so ridiculous.

It's been such a cheap ass, dude. So, no, not, no, hey, listen, I won't, I'll tell you guys all fair. Listen, you guys know me. When it comes to vacations and convenience, I don't mind spending it. No, no, I know you went all out on this one. You probably could have bought a car after you're done with the whole thing. I'm pretty sure it's around there. But I went online because they disclosed their, they disclosed their revenue.

You know, you can find their revenue, how much they make. Do you guys want to guess how much revenue Disneyland per day? On average per day. Per day? Their parks. That's their highest revenue. Just one. Just Disneyland.

Just Disneyland. Matt, California Adventure. It's a million a day. Just L.A. Oh, it's way more. 20 million. 20 million a day. Disneyland.

I'm not talking to Disney World. I'm not talking about, you know. Just Disneyland. 20 million averagees 20 million dollars. Imagine the staff required just to calculate all the money. My mother-in-law was like, the staff here's so much staff. And I'm like, there's an underground staff we don't ever know about. There's like people in plain clothes that are walking around.

So I will happily pay the ridiculous. fees for it for that exact reason because the service is great. So good. There's very few places I've ever been. What a good point. Including places like the Ritz, which I think are some of these like very well-known like service-based companies. Disneyland, I'd have to,

if I had to put two companies that come to mine right away, Ritz and Disneyland as far as very expensive, but they deliver on service because there's nothing. Katrina went somewhere. They go out of their way. I won't roll this place on the bus, but she went to a really high. in spa place for the first time,

and it's a place that we've been wanting to go to over in the Santa Cruz area. And Katrina was like, went with all the girls, and she's like, I'll let you know, you know, so how good it is so we can come back.

And she goes, it was terrible. Not only was it terrible, she goes, there was literally a guy like, like, when they were checking in that was just like, just charged my room.

The service was horrible as he walks out. And then they had like a terror. And she goes, it's just, if you charge that much, you better come through on the service. And I feel like Disneyland

does that all the way from the kid who's running the little soda pop cart to the people, the janitors cleaning up, to the hotel checking in, to the parking lot attendant. Like, they're all... I had an experience. It's so funny you said that. Okay, see, so I had an experience. It's worth, in my opinion, that's worth the bill.

So we did the whole like VIP deal, you know, suite at Disneyland, you know, hotel and the whole VIP thing, which included, which by the way, just going to back up, it's with two little kids organizing things, getting there, making sure whatever. it can be a bit stressful. It can be a bit stressful to manage everything. And little kids don't like to sit in the sun and all that stuff. But so we're doing it. We're also having fun. And what came with our package was like a special event. I think it was what it was called.

And the one that my wife picked was they would, they reserved a spot for us for one of the parades. I don't remember what it was called, but it's got a bunch of lights and stuff. I don't remember the name of it, but it was like at night. And so we have like this reserve. So instead of having to wait and like in the crowd,

they'll have a reserved area. So we knew about this, right? So we're at Disneyland all day long, and it's about 7 p.m. and we're like, okay, we have enough time to eat real quick, go back to the hotel, we'll rinse off the kids,

put them in their pajamas because it's going to be late by the time we're done, so we can bring it back. So we do all that, and we're rushing back, and we're like barely making it, right?

So we're kind of, and we can't find the meeting place. I have the paper from the concieres that tells us where to go. Yeah, yeah. And we're looking for it. And my wife is like,

my poor wife, she had this expectation. And afterwards she said that she's like, oh, I got upset because I had this expectation. She has like this, like, magical experience, whatever. Well, we're late. We're walking through these days. It's crowded.

Her and I are fighting over it because she had told me earlier, can you please check our, to this experience thing, make sure it's all set up? And I didn't. I didn't. I didn't sound like, what am I going to check. I know we're going to do with it, but I didn't check.

So last minute, I look at it. And now I'm like, yeah, thanks, guys. We're back in a little bit. Just give her ammo. She hasn't learned this yet. She's been very much. Don't. I'll make it worse right now.

She's seething. So we're like, and we're fighting over it, my old pushing the kids, you know, and it's like, this is just ruining the whole trip and this is not what I wanted.

You know, and she's so mad. And we're trying to find the place. And we can't find it. And a crowds are already building, like we're only like 20 minutes. The parade's going to start, you know,

and we're supposed to have this nice area. So I'm asking, so I go up to the staff and ask them. And they're looking at my thing and they're like, well, do you have the, the ticket stubs. I'm like, no, this is all they gave us, you know? I don't know. And so now they're trying to help us. So we go up to this one area. I asked this lady, she's like, uh, it's not for this

reserved area. She's like, I think you might have to go. By this time, they're closing off their streets. Yeah, yeah. So now, and so my wife says, so she breaks down. She starts crying. Oh, no. Yeah, she's so so upset and she's hugging me and she's crying. And the staff there's like looking. They're looking over. Oh, shit. And they're like, hey, let me, let me go talk to somebody. So they, and they come back. We're going to let you guys, like you're not supposed to be here, but we're going to put you guys over here. We're going to take care of you. And then I think what you were supposed to be is up there. I'll make sure I talk to them because they may have given you bags of goodies. And they totally took care of us. So we had the- Put us right in the front, set everything. And I went up to the

girl. This is young kids. I went up to them to say, hey, you guys, thank you so much. You guys really helped us out because if we missed that, this would have been. So we had, we had the exact same thing. In fact, we went for Oogie Boogie Bash, which is what the parade was. So you might have went to a different parade, but similar system. And the way it works is when you, when you get on the app, when a certain time hits, now for us, I think it was 8 p.m. I think is what the time was, or 6 p.m. or 8 p.m. I don't remember, but as soon as it hit that hour, you confirm in your app.

And then as soon as you confirm in your app, it automatically puts you in a pool. And there's four different locations where you'll go to where you have VIP tables in front of the parade set up. And so, and you don't know what that is until you, you hit the app right. at the end. I was like on it by the minute. Like I'm watching my watch as soon as it hit the hour. And so I got it within like seconds. I'm like, I want to be able to, I wanted to pick an area that I wanted to be at with the group that we had.

And so I knew where the area was. And I go over there and I'm waiting and I'm watching all these people getting seated. And I'm like, I'm starting to get fumed. I'm like, dude, we've been here for 20 minutes. I'm sitting here. I had to been, if not the very first person who hit that app or they're like 15. And I, you know, Katrina goes over and asks politely and stuff like that. and then comes back and they say, yeah, no, they just said wait, like that.

And we keep waiting. I'm like, now it's getting closer to the parade time. And so I'm starting to, like, stress out. And I'm angry because I did all the things. I checked. I got, you what I'm saying? So now I'm getting all heated, right? And I can tell Janet, who's with us, our friends, my best friend's wife.

And she could tell I'm viewing. So she's like, I'm going to go be lying over to them. And she did. You could see she was having one of those like, like she's totally barking out. And you could just see right away, like they see the seriousness of her, which is probably very similar what they saw with Jessica. started to cry and they radio radio in another person radios two people come over like that and they're like

they're pointing and there's like and then they wait flag us over and they're like listen we're gonna give you these seats right here and they just they just literally took care of us got the got the boxes of the treats and everything that we're supposed to have radioed someone else hey we just took table of whatever for a family just make sure it's off your lid and and they just do stuff like that and i mean i can i got story after the story of why we are there of situations like that where, you know, they take the time. And to me, I can stomach experiences, paying for experiences like that when I get that kind of service. There's nothing like spending that kind of money and then just like you're an afterthought.

Huge difference. It makes that like $8 water all worth it. Because you're just like, this is ridiculous. But, you know, I'm sure it costs. I mean, you brought up what they make, 10 million or 20 million a day. or 20 million a day, but how many millions do they spend just in people? Oh, yeah.

And a team to deliver that service, right? And I know, I think I brought it up on the podcast before. They actually, you don't even see how many employees they have because they have undercover employees. People that are designed to look like just people in the theme park that are walking behind and sweeping up popcorn and making sure kids are safe and like everything's so clean. Yeah.

You think, how do they keep it so clean with this many people, this many kids? Kids are messy. Oh, yeah. It's spotless. Yeah, this is all the stuff I was looking at. One thing that did make me sad, though, was how many adults I saw on scooters. That, which makes me really sad to see so many people in scooters. But also what added to it was a lot of people on scooters didn't need them necessarily.

That's how I felt. Oh, yeah. There were a lot of people on scooters that just didn't need them. It's like a hack. Yeah. It really makes me sad. I see a lot of people scooter up to get their French. fries and ice cream, park it, and then go walk through the line.

I'm like, this doesn't seem right. No, man. But you see a lot, you see a lot of that, dude. Yeah, yeah. Bro, Disney World's way worse than Disney. Disney World, way worse. Disney World was crazy. That's because you're in the south.

Yeah, they have, like, designated lanes and areas for the... There's traffic jams. Yes. I remember that. Yes. They reminded me a Wally. Dude, I wish I had never gone to Disneyland during COVID. That was a big mistake.

Oh, because he... Oh, my God. Yeah. Especially be the guy that like is refuses to wear the mask, you know, and I was just like going through all these and like, sir, you know, like I was getting tattled on by everybody. Oh, wow. Yeah. Because you keep it in your nose. Yeah.

And it's like, I can't breathe. And I'm on the ride. I'm not going to wear it while we're like on the ride. Like, give me a break, you know. And they literally took me like a side and they're like, we're literally you're going to have to leave the park. Oh, wow. You got reprimanded like that, huh? Yeah.

Yeah. And then I was just like, dude. all right and then I just finally conceded but it was like it was miserable like the whole thing was just a waste but again it's that was out of their hands and control you know well can you imagine being a company that big servicing that many people and like having in a having the state come down on you if it's an impossible it's an impossible thing to appease people in that situation yeah you're either yeah if you're not pissing you off and you're pissing you off that are reporting yeah yeah yeah and I knew who it was too and I was going to come after that guy such a Dish. We had a few funny moments, but one of them is, my son is, he's so,

he's a lot like me when it comes to rides. Like, he doesn't like scary rides, right? I didn't get us. Oh, this is what you're talking about this. And he goes,

he goes on the cars ride, which I guess they race the cars. It's pretty quick or whatever. Yeah, yeah. He's so, he gets so mad. He's like, you didn't tell me it was scary to,

you know, to his mom. I don't know. And then he was scared. I'm so mad that I was scared. He was so pissed off over that. That sounds so much like Max like that. Yeah. So disappointed that you did that.

I could almost die. Yeah, that's what he said to me. He said to him. He gets his hand like this. He's like, you don't understand? I could have died. I could have died on that ride. And I'm like, you know, and I'm trying not to like,

because he gets more upset if I'm like, you're not going to die. I know. I felt that way. Yeah. He felt that way. Nobody's every time on that ride. Yeah.

My daughter's so different. My three-year-old, the scarier the better. Yeah. The scarier the better. she wants the scariest ride Yeah, is that, because you see that a lot with, you know, parents that have two little ones, that the younger ones like that.

I'm assuming that's common because the younger one is trying to keep up. That makes sense. With the older one. And you get to see your sibling try the things first. And so you end up getting brave early. Like, when you're Aurelius or Max, and you're the first one going down the stairs in your house, it's like you're, versus

she's seen him walking up and down already. So she's already, oh, I could do this, even when she probably couldn't do it, you know? So it's kind of be it. There were a couple times, too, where I saw, there was this, I saw this one mom with, how many kids did she have three or four, by herself? Yeah. Walking through the park. Oh, we stopped her.

My wife stopped. She's like, are you here? She's like, well, my husband, he's going to join us later or whatever. And we're just like, you are a champion. I have so much respect. Katrina and I saw a lady that I almost see a picture, but I'm like, I don't want to look all weird and creepy doing this. But this, she had, what's the, the Bjorn?

Yeah, the Bjorn, stroller, and holding the hand of a kid. Yeah. By herself. It was like, that is a gangster right there. Super mom. Yeah, I don't care what you do for work or whatever. You can walk around with four kids in a park like that and give them a good time. Like, God bless you.

Yeah, yeah. Because I have two and I got my wife. And I'm like, you know, like, can we go now? I'm getting tired. How late did you guys stay out? Did you guys stay out there later? Oh, yeah, dude. So we got there at 9 a.m.

And we didn't, we, aside from going back to watch the kids to come back, we got back at 10. So it was like 9 to 10 p.m. Did you do one big single day? or do you guys do multiple days. I don't remember. No, we did two. So, yeah, we did do two. How was that? It was fine. But the second day, we were out by four, because then we had to get on the plane. but still you know you're there in the morning yeah because when we went katrina was like we could do two like two like uh many days or or one crazy big day i'm like give me the one crazy big day that's uh that to me because i like we did legoland split over two days and the second day i was like i don't even want to go oh yeah i didn't want to go i was just like no yeah it's too much i'm like i said let's burn them out one day let's go get up early let's roll out let them stay up late do all the things and then like then we can sleep in relax the next day because totally too bad i'm like i said let's burn them out of one day because totally Back-to-back days of a park is like a lot. It's a lot, dude.

It's a lot. Anyway, I got some, have you guys seen the news that's going around about the, like, and it's, it's going viral. It hasn't been done on humans yet. But apparently in Taiwan, maybe you can look this up. They have come up with a formula that literally regrows hair, like regrows hair. Oh, God. Look it up, Don't.

Look up, uh, Taiwan hair regrowth study or, uh, whatever. And people are talking about it like crazy. They put it on mice with no hair and a group grew back. One of the scientists did it on his leg. And it just got to be careful where you apply it, I guess. You wear gloves. You know, palms too hairy to hide. There it is. Researchers at National Taiwan University have developed a promising hair regrowth serum that regrue hair on mice in just 20 days by stimulating dormant hair. Now does it do like, okay, so my experience of all the hair stuff when I tried some of the Bosley and all that so of that. If you get peach fuzz, but that's all it ever goes to.

Apparently, this re-grew full-on hair. Yeah, that's literally what it does. It's weird. Have you ever experienced that? Have you guys actually used any of it consistently before? I did once with the monoxide over. So it does. And I get how it will make, I mean, because if you look at somebody who's thinning down on

their head, you have all these kind of patches. And if you at least get that peach fuzz. Looks better. Yeah, the darkest kind of fills the gaps. And so it looks like your hair is much fuller. But then it would never grow beyond that. It just is this weird peach fuzz. Apparently, this ground cover.

This re-grew it, like legit, re-grew it. So, and it's fatty acids. There's no chemical or anything like that. Oh, really? Yes. It's these natural fatty acids. Well, that's cool. Yeah.

I would totally mess with stuff like that that's like a natural thing that's supposed to help thicken or be better like that. I have no desire to do a surgery or do. Try any chemicals on my head. I feel like it missed the boat here. Yeah. So I had a buddy that did a hair transplant and he took pictures of himself after recovery. Yeah.

Oh, terrifying. His head looked like, because it was all swollen from the surgery or whatever. Oh, yeah. Yeah, well, he's just like staple follicles. He went to Mexico to get it too. You know, speaking of hair, did you guys, obviously, I haven't tried. Caldera's new shampoo of you guys? Obviously.

I was so funny. It was, you know, sometimes... You know, there was a three-boggles. You know, Katrina will obviously tell Jerry to bring home new products, things of that. And sometimes Jerry just grabs the stuff and puts it in my bag. And I got home and I thought it was like some, you know, dirty prank. It's like, why did she stick to shampoo Caldera in my bag? I'm like, you want me to report back on how great it deals or how good is.

Wow, I bet you it's a great. Their products are amazing. I'm sure. I mean, I love everything else they do. But I mean, I'm like, this is kind of useless for me. Is it available? Is it, it is available, Doug? Can you pull it up?

I want to take a look at this. So Caldera Lab now went into shampoo because all the rest of the stuff is skin care. Oh. Makes sense. Makes sense. That does. I mean, what goes into shampoo

that is so different than cleaning your skin? Like, is there... The key is the scalp. The key is all about the scalp. So because it's more sensitive? If you make the scalp healthy, then the hair is going to look healthy. So what does that say?

Wow, this is, so this is from their studies. 100% agree hair looks fuller and thicker. 96% agree hair appears to have less shedding. And 98% agree hair feels stronger. So they have a hair care system here. It has three different things. It has shampoo, conditioner, and they have the hair serum, which is like a hair regrowth type.

Oh, I don't know they did all. I thought they just had the shampoo. That's awesome. Oh. Yeah. Look at that. Speaking of cool science. study. And finally, Science Daily. So you guys remember the spec, not the speculation, but the

reports we were getting from our doctor friends who've been using GLP-1s like somaglutide, Trezepotide on patients. Do you guys remember, I'm sure I know you do, but you know what they were saying about the other effects that people were getting, not just that they were eating less, but that they were also drinking less, more. Less impulsive, addictive qualities. So there's now studies that are showing that it's actually working. This is the summary. This is from ScienceDaily.com. The title says,

Weight Loss Drugs, Like Ozempic may also curb drug and alcohol addiction. Here's a summary. GOP1 drugs originally developed for diabetes and obesity may also curb addictive behaviors by acting on reward circuits in the brain. Early trials show reductions in alcohol intake, opioid seeking, and nicotine use. Wow. Huge. That's crazy.

That's crazy. That's crazy that if we, if, if, you. This is the case. How far away are we from the newest one, the redditrutide or what it's called? Retachetriotride. I don't think it's available as a medication yet. I think it's still one of them. It's not, but I know it's, I see the post.

I see the stuff coming around. It's in trials right now? I believe so. Is that right? Yeah, I believe so. It's got to be coming soon, though, right? Yeah. So it's wild.

So in rodent models, several GOP1 receptor agonists have been shown to reduce self-administration of heroin, fentanyl, and oxycodone. Preclinical data show that GLP1 receptor agonist reduced nicotine self-administration, reinstatement of nicotine-seeking. Now, okay, so in regards to the opiates and stuff like that, is this, is there something happening to the receptors that's happening, or is it just purely the desire to? It's all about the, the, this kind of pleasure-seeking reward systems in the brain that are connected to food. And so it's broad, it's more of a broad application. It's not just food.

Yeah. is that people desire, the desire to try to seek something pleasurable goes down. So it's not doing anything to like the opiate receptors. No. One of the hardest parts about coming off an opiate is how much your receptors get down regulated, how much they need just to feel normal again. So the coming off of it is like a nightmare. No.

So it's not doing anything to that. It's literally just somebody who battles. They just desire less of it. Yeah, okay. Which is kind of crazy. I mean, that's really cool. This is wild because, you know, we could be, I mean, it's very interesting what the applications could be on something like. Do you think that I have found my, I mean, my sister reached out to me about her doctor.

And like, this is not like through us or anyone like that. She was like, yeah, she recommended I microdosed a GLP one. For what? I forgot what her reasoning behind my sister, because obviously my sister's not way, way overweight, but for the other health benefits that were included in it. And it just got me thinking that, you know, are we going to see this in the near future where these doctors are actually recommending like even microdosing of it to, more people because of all the other benefits.

Well, that's what all the front line doctors, you know, the ones we've had on the show that have been using them for a while. They recommend microdosing. They said that. Yeah, it's interesting that it hasn't really made mainstream yet, like microdosing. No, because I think the pharma companies aren't. Farma is still. Yeah, they're slow to it.

Proponent, yeah. They're slow to it for, I think for obvious reasons. You got to look and see what the profitability is on microdosing. I know that those MEC just got a humongous lawsuit. And so they're dealing with that. What was the lawsuit over? people were saying they had side effects that they were told about

and it does slow down gastric emptying you take a high enough dose so it could make everything not move anymore So when it slows down something like that Is it just in generally slowing down The entire digestive process? So let's just Empty yeah right that's all part of the process

So if the entire you know process takes roughly Let's just say for argument's sake two hours to happen Is it making it four to six to eight? I don't know. Do you have any idea? No, I don't know what the numbers are. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense that that's what,

if you just slow that process, that makes sense why you're not hungry very long. I wonder if it slows it down even more than that. But, I mean, back to what I was saying earlier, I know a guy who was using it for sex addiction. He was using, he was, he worked with a doctor who said, let's try this for,

because he had an addiction to sex pornography. Yeah. And he said he got some decent results off of it as well. Yeah, because weren't they also attributing it to lowering the brain inflammation on some level. Like, that's what Dr. Seed says. An inflamed state,

like, tends to kind of lean into those impulses. That's what Dr. Seeds definitely said. Yeah. What does that say? It slows down gastric emptying

by about 36 minutes on average. Okay. For example, one study found the time to empty, 50% of a meal was 138 minutes with the GLP1 receptor agonist versus 95 minutes

with a placebo. Well, I mean, that's a significant difference from 95 to 138. Yeah. How much percent is that? Almost double.

40% more or so, 35% more. Maybe my rough math. Yeah, so interesting. Yeah, yeah. Another interesting study on cavities and gum disease and its connection to strokes. So I'll read to you guys what the summary says. The American Academy of Neurology, so this was October 27th. This got put in science daily.

People with both cavities and gum disease were found to have an 86% higher stroke risks than those with healthy mouths. The study followed thousands of adults for two decades, linking poor oral health with major cardiovascular events. You guys want to have speculations as to why? Well, yeah, I would think there's a major correlation with people that have gum, teeth issues with their types of foods that they're eating in their diet.

So you're probably eating a lot of processed junk and garbage, and that probably is what has more to do with it than actually the gums or the teeth. That would be my guess. That's what I thought, too. Here's what the data is starting to show. Oh, interesting. Is that, yeah, your mouth should be a sealed area where bacteria doesn't get into your bloodstream.

Because that's like direct access to bloodstream into your brain and heart. That's right. It's going to be scary for someone like you. Yes. What? I mean, just the sheer volume more your mouth is open compared to Justin. I mean, it's like, put those dots. I mean, Justin's like 50% less likely to get whatever.

No, every time you eat, right, if there's, if there's bacteria on, what there is, if there's bacteria and stuff on your food, you know, by the time it gets into your stomach, the stomach acid, everything destroys it, destroys a lot of it, right? Yeah. But if it could get directly into your bloodstream through your gums, which can cause heart inflammation. And they've connected certain bacteria in the mouth with gum disease and also connected it to cardiovascular events. Yeah.

So that's probably... So are you guys pro oil pooling and stuff, or do you think that's too woo-woo for you? Or do you think there's value in that? I mean, I think that has to do with helping the microbiome of the mouth, right? I think so. I don't know enough about it. I don't know enough about it.

Yeah. I mean, obviously, flossing and keeping liquid hygiene for those parts. Doug, you ever oil pool? I've tried it. I figured you have. Yeah. Yeah. I mean...

I mean, I don't know if it did anything. I didn't do it consistently. For a long time. Yeah, for like a... A long period of time. Yeah, I don't know about switching. Like salt water. You know, and I'll do that every now and then.

Yeah, I got a water pick instead of floss. Have you guys ever used one of those? Oh, I used to love my water pick. Just to, you know, I, what it is is just a big tool on the freaking counter. That's well, I get, I go through phases. I've had probably. You're such a girl. It doesn't look good on my counter.

Well, not just that. It becomes messy and spilling. I have a portable one. It's easy. It's self-contained. So you use the same, use one also. I do, but I also floss. I do both. Why both?

Because it's good. It's good to do both. You're supposed to do both? He's extra clean. How long is it taking to do your teeth at night? That's why he's late, dude. It takes an extra 30 seconds to do floss. Water picking floss in his teeth right now.

It's 45 minutes later. The guy with no kids. Better start my teeth. Picking every black head. I got to be a bed of 90 minutes. No, seriously. I mean, water picks great. They are cool.

I mean, I like them. But, I mean, they can get a little messy. you always, at least once or twice, you always accidentally push the button when it's facing the mirror and then it blast the whole mirror. Oh, my God. I do it in the shower.

I've done, oh, that's not a bad idea. I just keep it in the shower and I just... Son of a gun. Why don't I think of that? Electricity and water. That's why I didn't know it. It's portable. It's portable.

It's a battery operates still. Batteries in the show. Well, you're not going to get zapped with a little battery in there. He's not in the shower. I don't imagine. No, no, no. I mean, I'm in the shower, but I'm not, it's not getting wet, even if it did,

it's self-contained unit. Oh, okay. I want you, Adam, you brought up something off air. I thought was brilliant. What's that? Oh, my new job for kids. What's a brilliant idea? So I'm always...

Someone needs to do this. Since I was a kid, this is... I used to get my... Not my real mom. My best friend's mom always sent me those little, like... There was a magazine. Justin, you might have subscribed to this. It was like, maybe you two sell that.

Like a business magazine. It was like small business ideas. I don't know if you guys... Forget the name of it, but it was a really popular. I was reading nerdy stuff. Yeah. That was my. I was reading...

Entrepreneur. I could have been. No, it was something different. It was like literally specific, like small business ideas. And it was a whole magazine dedicated to. It was really good. I used to read them all time. Anyways, I've always been infatuated with these, you know, little ideas that I could, you know,

make a small income or whatever, even as a young kid. And I was doing something that you brought up, actually, first, that reminded me of this idea that I've had for a while. It's so brilliant. I, I, I, I, I, you, well, you, Sal was complaining about, you know, you know, all the Amazon Prime boxes that he has to break down, right, from the wife's ordering stuff. And we all kind of like grumbled.

Oh, yeah, me too. We all can relate. And I remember seeing this one kid who did this small business I thought was absolutely brilliant where he went around his neighborhood. And it was in a rich neighborhood where a lot of people. And in an area, like I think it was, I think Arizona or someplace like that where it's really popular. Utah is like this too, where almost every house has water softener because the water is so hard in that area.

And so it's like just in a. annoyance that you have to change the salt like once every 45 days or something. And so this kid went around is a brilliant idea. And it was just like, hey, for, you know, 20 bucks a month or like that, I'll change. You'll never have to worry about your salt. Nobody wants to do it. Yeah, nobody wants to do it. It's like 20 bucks. They never got to think about it again. And this kid takes him 20 months. So he made a ton of money doing this. And it takes him a few minutes to do his neighborhood. And I was like, what a brilliant idea. If I was a kid, well, what I do right now? What's different today than, you know, or in our area. And I'm like, you know what it is. That Amazon guy is at every one of our,

our neighbor's houses every single day dropping boxes off. And one of my things that my, I hate doing is when it's trash day is all the boxes. I hate it break down from this. I mean, literally just in six days, it blows me away how much boxes I have. And you can't stuff it in the recycle bin because they're all odd and weird and it fills up your whole recycle bin. So you got to cut them up. And the recycle guy wants them in or they won't pick them up. You can't just throw the boxes out there.

You have to cut them in. I forget with the size. They say like four by four size. are smaller. So you have to cut all these, break all these boxes down. And it's just, it's an annoyance, right? And I thought, man, if a kid came to my door and said, hey, for 20 bucks a month or whatever, I'd probably even pay up to 50 or 60. I'd pay 20 bucks a week. Yeah, yeah, I'd probably pay it all the way up to the same thing. I'm not. I'm with you. It'd be interesting to see what. Especially if it was a kid, because I'd be like, right, right.

Like, it'd be interesting to see what the market would say. I mean, I know when I was kid, that's my first ever real business was a lawn mowing service. And that's the idea of go to door door. The evolution. Exactly. And it was $20. Right along. So who knows where that is today, what people would pay for cardboard boxes because nobody used to order Amazon.

Yeah, imagine if you just threw them on the side of the house. And every week you showed up. Which is exactly what I do. And he cut them up and put them in the thing for you next. That's right. You don't even have the work. How much would you pay for that every week? I would.

I paid 20 bucks. Yeah. I think so too. And I think that it's, and I would even take it to another level where all my neighbors signed up for it. I would put us all on a WhatsApp. And you could even just let me know, like, hey, cardboard boxes. And then I'll make sure to get to that house.

before and early if it's starting to bulk up. I just added to the kids' chores. Yeah, that's true. I don't know. I think it's a brilliant idea if you're a young, you know, I don't know what age you'd start that at 12, 13. I don't know if that's too young or whatever. I would love to pay a little 15, 16 year old kid.

You get your little electric scooter and your little tools that you just go from house to house. Yep. And just break them down, you know, before garbage day. That would be great. I think you can make a little killing. And they do that. they make some really cool tools to break down the boxes easier.

And I think that a lot of people, especially if a kid, came to my door and knocked on my door like that. The amount of waste we must produce now is so huge compared to before, right? Because of Amazon? It's probably bad. It's really bad. I just saw some documentary on it. It was like, you know,

put Courtney and I at pause. We're just like, oh my God. Because even in, I think is this one place, not in the Congo, but it's somewhere in Africa where, it had a coastline and so on the coastline you actually saw um it was all like shirts and clothing and the it was just literally washing up every day was washing up on shore. And they were just scooping it like out of the ocean because they just have so much clothing that comes down from some big factories and like it's just like the people will wear them

but then they discard them. And it's just like, we're at a position now where it's so saturated that it's like, they don't know how to get rid of all this stuff. I would add that as an all-a-cart to my cardboard boxing business too. It's because, and I, okay, I have to clean out my closet of clothes I don't wear anymore. And I put in a big black trash bag. Oh, by the way, would you like the extra service where I take your clothes and donate it? That's right.

I'll go donate to a good cause. What about that? You just leave it in a black trash bag next year and I'll take care of it for you. And I would actually. clean out my closet on a more regular basis if I had somebody, because what happens right now and I've got it in my house right now, it's in our office, there's three huge bags of just

clothes and hats and old shoes. I wonder if that would work for Amazon. If Amazon could say, hey, all the boxes that you guys, after you take your products out, leave the boxes aside, we'll take them back. I wonder if they could make a profit off that. They still would want them broken down because it would be too hard in time.

Too bulky. Yeah, too bulky for the driver to take it. That's part of what makes such a headache. If I could just throw my boxes out and somebody would come pick him up like and then it would be, but the hassle is the breaking down of all these odd shaped boxes to be in this four by four cut. And you know what's crazy is that they most

places don't even recycle. It's not recycled. I know. I know. Aluminum and glass is recycled. But cardboard is not. So even though you put it in the recycled bin, we used to sell nothing plastic is recycled. No, we used to sell that to. Why would we not reuse cardboard? I feel like that'd be

an easy thing to recycle. Because the cost of breaking it down and recycling, it makes no sense. It's more money. It makes it. They burn it. They burn it. We don't want to do that. Yeah.

So we used to give it to, we used to sell that to China. We used to sell them our cardboard and plastic. And they stopped buying it. China stopped buying it. So it doesn't make, there is no cost efficiency for recycling. So I did see though somewhere that like China had this factory that started to be able to burn clean like vapors. So they were actually able to kind of turn that into energy. How was that?

Oh, because because it's cat. The productive energy is. canceling out the negative byproduct. So it's not necessarily not having negative because there's no way you get around not having some negative. Zero carbon. But because the positive that comes out of it, it outweighs the negative. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how much

traction they're getting with it yet, but I was like, that's at least promising. It's like you can start using the waste for energy. Oh, speaking of promising. Am I okay to talk about the Black Friday? Are we going to be doing that when this air is Doug? Absolutely. Black Friday starts right now.

So this is for us. This is 60% off everything. So every MAPS program, every bundle. Are we in November? Is this currently in November right now? Yes, it is. Oh, wow. Yes.

So 60% off everything, including all the bundles. So bundles, programs, everything 60% off. We have more giveaways this year, too, and prizes than ever, too. So here's what happens. We're two people, so I'll get to how you can enter to win. It's actually kind of easy, but we're going to give away two one week's stays at the York City Mind Pump House, which includes a $1,000 travel voucher. So you're going to get the stay there plus $1,000 towards your travel for two people.

Five people are going to win three months of one-on-one coaching from our trainers. And 10 people are going to win three months of our concierge coaching from our trainers. And the way that you enter is, if you get a bundle, every bundle of math programs you get, you get 10 entries. Every maps program you get, you get three entries. And then the guides and the mods give you one entry. So you get, you know, three bundles, 30 entries, your odds of winning go through the roof. So two, two, one week stays.

It's on, which is really cool. And then since we're in November, we're coming up on Thanksgiving, my favorite holiday. This is when butcher box gives, you can get a turkey, right? You can add a turkey to your box. Is that true, Doug? That is correct. Yeah, yeah. Makes that so convenient.

Going to get the turkey at the grocery store is always a pain. They have. Their turkeys are delicious. They're amazing. And they're great price. Every year, like, that's one of our, we do multiple turkeys, but that's all. Are you going to do the thing again where you fry one and bake one? Yeah, actually I want to try three.

I want to go bake, smoke, fry. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. And all fry and smoke. And then my brother is the one who, my brother's got the baking down pretty well. And so he does the bake. And then this year I'd like to try and do the smoke and the deep fry. Deep fry is easy.

It's like so easy. It's not even fair. It's like you don't do anything. Like the defriar takes care of everything. It's fast. Try that to spill it. Yeah, that's it. I mean, that's it.

Put it outside. put it in a safe spot, drop the sucker in. Like, you don't do it. You don't even season it. You don't do anything to it. You literally just drop it in the deep fryer and then it's just the oil. You don't season it? No.

You don't want to do that. You don't want to put like the salt and then deep fry like that. It'll pop and crack and do it. So you literally just, what oil is it? Peanut oil. Oh, okay. Yeah. So you fry it in peanut oil.

And you just, yeah, you just dry it down, get prep it. You know, but then you drop it in for two hours or less. It's not even a lot. Oh, God. That means if Thanksgiving's coming. And that's my annual workout with my cousins. Did you guys do it last year? We did.

For some reason, I thought you missed a year. It's changed so much, you guys. Oh, that's right. No, no, no. I remember it turned into the driving the race cars. That's what's going to become now. It's all your cousins are going to want to drive the race car or they're going to want to actually work out.

Well, really what it's become is that like, like I have all these injuries excuses now. It's what's happening. It's like, hey, guys, we're going to do the workout. Oh, my shoulder. Oh, my back. Oh, God, this workout sucks, you guys. That's where we're at now.

By the way, on that turkey, you can get a free one if you sign up. So, oh, so if you're not a member, sign up. You're not a member. You can get a turkey or a ham for free. Oh, you have a ham in there. That's cool. I'm not a fan of ham. Really?

I love ham. Oh, I love ham. It's gross. It doesn't taste. What is it? It's ham. It doesn't taste. It's nothing.

It tastes like nothing. It's not even good. Really? No, I'm not a fan of ham. Shame on you. Say that. Maybe you just need the right person to cook you a ham. That's what everybody says.

Every time I try it, it's like, man. Huh, man. It's not that good. Okay, I can get down on some ham. I'll eat turkey. I'll eat turkey with some good gravy on it. But ham, whatever. There's not a lot that I don't like.

What's the most overrated dish on Thanksgiving? On Thanksgiving? Yeah. What's the most overrated? Jello. Jello. Marshmallow anything? Marshmallow yams.

Oh, that's the worst. I'd say that's over. That's probably a top. What's underrated? Oh, underrated? Yeah. Sleeper? It's a sleeper.

Stuffing. Peacon. Oh, that's a stuffing. the best. Is that considered underrated? Because everybody knows something. I don't think it's underrated. I think everybody knows stuffing's the best. What's a good underrated dip? I think pecan pie. Well, I love pecan pie. Good God, that's delicious. Best pie ever. Is that the best? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I go out. I don't know if I go home. Oh, yeah, or at least whipped cream. Yeah. That's a waste of you know, turkey might be a little overrated.

The white meat. The white meat in particular, yeah. Yeah, turkey's not that. Although that's what goes the best of the gravy. Yeah. So, because it's a little dry and the gravy is perfectly. I feel like dark meat doesn't need the game. I always do white meat. You always go white meat? Yeah. Right. Yeah, that's probably why.

Just as racist is coming out. They wrote a book on it. I got to read it still. He has a wall. He has a wall where the turkey is. White meats. It's the master meat. Stop.

Come on. We're already going bad. Too far. Too far. You have to add that it? It really depends on how it's cooked. I'd say probably 90% of turkeys cooked out there are probably overdone. Overdone.

I mean, that's one of the hardest parts about turkey is, because there's a bit of an art to it, because that's one of those meats that you can't undercook. If you undercook it, that's all bad, right? You get sick from that. So you can't undercook it. So everyone is always probably a little over than like. You know what they have a Disneyland? That's just always over really.

Turkey legs. I love those things. When I was, so last year, when I was in Florida, it was during my. during my YouTube series when I was on my... So you had to eat it. That's all I could have. There was nothing else you could eat inside there. So it was like turkey legs.

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How are you guys. Good. Good. So I guess I just, I've always been heavier my whole life. I've, in 2020, I lost about 90 pounds doing a lot of walking. I did a supervised diet on HCG. And then I also did keto for quite a while. So I tried to get off of that, kind of get back to more of an upbalanced life. And the weight has started creeping back up again. And it just seems like this constant yo-yo battle. I did do the food sensitivity test that you can. guys recommended the equal life test. I had 55 different things, mostly vegetables that were on my list. So I've been doing the six week, 12 weeks, six months. So I'm about 11 weeks now of keeping those out of my diet and trying to kind of reset my body. So I definitely think I need to do more exercise. That needs to be part of it. But I feel like with all the ups and downs over the ears and trying the different things. I worry that I've kind of messed up my gut in general and that my body's just not processing things the way that it should. And I don't know the best way to go about

kind of resetting that and getting myself back on the right track for kind of a longer term health. Yeah. Thanks for reaching out and expressing that. So it's not uncommon for the vast majority of foods that somebody develops an intolerance to to be plants. Okay. It's far more common. Aside from eggs and dairy, which can also or tend to be high, it's almost always plants. And if somebody has a lot of intolerances, it's typically lots of different plants. And there's a lot of different reasons that we can explain why and whatever, and there's some theories. But that's just the way it is. The gut heals itself, which is, and it's actually very, you look at the cells of the gut, it's actually one of the faster renewing parts of the body. The issue, though, the challenge is we need to figure out the

root cause of why you have so many intolerances. And, and, you know, and, you know, and, you're and possibly treat that. So you may also have SIBO and you may have a parasite or not, but if we don't know those things, we can't treat them. And so then what you're doing is you're mitigating the symptoms, but then when you go back to what you did before, the symptoms will start to come back. And so we have to kind of figure that out.

So SIBO is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. CFO is small intestinal fungal overgrowth. You could have one or both. parasites can be a part of this. They're actually relatively common, far more common than people think, especially if you've never tested or treated yourself for a parasite, but you eat things like sushi, raw vegetables,

or you've traveled abroad. It's not uncommon for somebody to have a parasite that's just been hanging out. And they're relatively easy to treat as well. And so those things can cause gut inflammation. The inflammation then is what causes these immune reactions over time. Okay. And so what you're seeing now are the immune reactions. But we would want to figure out what the, what's the root issue solve that and then go through a process of letting the gut

heal and then you're fine is what that looks like. Okay. So it's really common for someone with a lot of gut issues to feel better eating no carbohydrates, no starches, no vegetables or, you know, even fruit can cause an issue. And until you kind of treat the root issue, it's always going to be like, oh my God, I can't eat anything. I can only eat this. And I can't. can only eat that. And it's kind of like mitigating things. Fasting probably feels better for you, that whole deal. So the, yeah, so the root, let's figure out that. And to do that, you'd want to work with someone who does gut health testing so they could test for things like parasite and Cbo, Cepo. The Cabral, the people I work with Dr. Cabral, they do all that. In fact, I think that's

where you got your test from, right? Equilov came from Dr. Cabral. Okay. So I would contact them and I'd say, hey, I'd like to do some gut testing. I want to see if I have SIBO, CFO, if I have parasite, then they'll test you for that, and then you can treat, you know, based off what that comes back from. And then once you've figured that out, then you can go on...

Reverse diet. Yeah, reverse diet with some strength training is what you're going to need to do. Yeah, to kind of build the muscle, build that metabolic health, you know, get everything kind of back in order. But if gut health is poor, it's really hard to do anything.

It's very difficult. You just kind of got this low, level inflammation. And I know I dealt with this for years until I finally got to the root of it. And it's just like you're just constantly managing symptoms. They're just to address it directly. Yeah. Lisa, have you considered hiring a coach through this process to kind of hold your hand through all? I know Sal just threw a bunch of things for you to go kind of figure out on your own. Have you considered like having like one of our coaches or trainers take you through that process?

I definitely have. Like I, you know, I've been, I tried to do a metabolism test. I did, like I said, the food sensitivity test. I've looked at a lot of different things and, you know, talked to a couple different doctors and they just say, oh, your hormone, everything's fine, you know, kind of situation. But it definitely does feel like there's a roadblock. Like, unless I'm working out a huge amount,

like I probably average about, I would say, $6,500 to 8,500 steps a day, you know, and then I maybe work out two to three times a week get best, but they're like 15 minute workouts, like kind of short workout. So, you know, I know there's improvement there for sure, but it just feels like if I'm not working out, you know, 15,000 steps a day in an hour workout, it's just not working. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because, again, if you have this low level inflammation, uh, you, your, your insulin sensitivity is thrown off. Cortisol can sometimes be inverted. Uh, and it just feels like you can't fuel yourself

yourself properly. You know, if you did a food sensitivity test and it came back with like a few things on there, then we would just say avoid it. But when you see a lot of things on there, like yours, it's like, okay, what's causing this? Something's caused all of this to happen. And we got to get to the root cause. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I was pretty shocked seeing 55. And you probably feel better not eating those things. The good news is, though, that we figure that out and you fix that and it's life-changing for people. So it's a big deal. So it's definitely worth the time to go get the test, research it, figured out,

and or have somebody kind of help you through that process. Because once you do turn that around, it's going to feel a lot different trying to get the results that you probably felt right now. It probably feels like such an uphill battle for you. It's like you're fighting your own body. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, that's the best way to describe it, I think.

Totally. It's a constant me versus it. Yeah. Yeah, no, totally. Absolutely. So, yeah, so reach out to Cabral's team, and then I'll have a coach call you. And I think if you worked with two people together, you have your functional medicine practitioner and our coach working in tandem, then you'll have all your bases covered. And you should, you know, if they end up finding what the root issue is, you're looking at like six months for now, it's going to be very different.

Very, very different. How you feel? That would be amazing. That would be awesome. I really appreciate that feedback. That's encouraging. Yeah, great. Well, thanks for going on.

We'll figure it. We'll figure it out, Lisa. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Thanks, guys. You got it. All right. All right.

Yeah, that's, um, I'm glad you said something that I don't know if I've heard you say on here before about when you have a bunch of it. Because it's actually really common. One of the things I think everybody will have one or two things. Yeah. That's most, most people. And a lot of times you'll have one or two things.

And most people are like, I actually feel fine. That doesn't bother me. But when you see a whole bunch of things, especially in a whole category of food, it's like, okay, something else is going on it because it's not normal. It's more normal that you have one or two things that everybody has. To have a whole category of food that you're having an issue with is normally a flag that something else is going on. When I finally got treated, because I had a parasite, which I didn't know. And I don't, it's not like I go overseas and live in the Third War countries.

But, you know, in my 40s, I've been living my whole life and I'll eat sushi. The odds are you'll probably encounter a parasite at some point. and I had all these symptoms, and I would mitigate them with diet and lifestyle, but I could never, you know, you guys know this, my gut would be bad. Then it would be better. Then it would be bad. And when I finally treated the parasite, everything changed. I mean, 12 pounds of muscle I gained, I can eat almost everything except for, like you said, Adam. If I have gluten, I can have it here and there.

If I push it starts to bother me, dairy, I still can't do. And that's pretty much it. Whereas before it was like a whole whole, yeah, almost everything. Oh, my God. And sometimes it was things that were okay. I'm like, what the heck's going on? Yeah. Our next caller is Amy from the UK.

Hi, Amy. How you doing, Amy? Hello, hello. Hi, nice to see you all. Yeah, thanks for calling in. How can we help you? So I'm in a little bit of limbo, and I'm hoping you can give me some advice. I just wanted to say, I really, really love the show.

I've learned so much. I'm trying to get through your back catalog or podcasts and alpha runs and things like that. So thank you so much. As you can probably tell, I am from the UK. So your podcast do reach right over the Atlantic Sea. So I'm 39 and I'm 5 foot 7. And I am quite new to lifting. I only started December to 2024, so just last year.

When I started, I started off in a calorie deficit of 1,600 calories at that time. And I joined a gym and I got really into it. and I had a body scan when I initially started. So my initial starting weight was 78 kilograms and my body fat at that point was 37%. My muscle mass was 22.2 kilograms. So I trained three to four times a week, was really, really good on my protein intake.

I get at least 150 grams a day and continue to do so. When I had another scan in March, I'd done really well. My body fat went to 29 from 37. My weight was 69 kilograms, and my muscle mass had barely moved. So my muscle mass was still 22.1 kilograms. So I was really, really pleased with that, because I had expected that I would lose some muscle, but I hadn't. So I decided at that point to up my calories from 1,600 to 1,800,

and continue with the training and things like that. And I rescanned again in September. My body fat had gone down to 26.6%. My weight was 65 kilograms, but my muscle mass had gone to 20.7. So I had lost about a kilo in muscle mass, which was quite disappointed about because I took my calories and continued with my protein and doing all those good things. So my initial goal really was to get under 25% body fat and then to move into a slight bulk up to maintenance and then a surplus from that to build some more muscle.

But I think the loss of that kilogram in muscle mass throw me a little bit and I don't really know how to proceed from there whether my calories a bit more, whether I pop them down to 1600, which doesn't seem the right way to go, I don't think. I think you've done great on the diet side. I think this is a program thing for us. Yeah, but let's pause for a second. You've done really good.

I'll ask you one more question, and depending on this answer, I'll know what, I know what's going on here. Are you a lot stronger than you were when you started this process? Yes. How much stronger would you say? Give me an example of a big lift. Well, I will say that two years ago I had a slipped disc and I had drop foot. So I'm very cautious on what I could do in terms of barbell and compound lifting. However, I think my probably biggest lift, I use the landmine quite a lot for like Tumo squats.

So I'll do that instead of having it on my back. And for me, it's 55 kilograms that I can lift and do stuff off for that. Okay. So when you went from 1,600 to 1,800 calories through that process of trying to build, how much did that change, that particular lift? A lot. I was probably only doing 25 kilograms. Oh, my God.

So here's the thing. Those scans have a large margin of error when it comes to muscle. you want to do multiple scans maybe once every three or four weeks and look at the trends. If your body fat percentage went down, you feel good and you're stronger, especially a lot stronger. I mean, your lift went from 25 kilos to 55, did you say, or 45? Okay. That's a significant amount of weight difference. You didn't lose muscle.

Yeah. You didn't lose muscle. So that scan is, I wouldn't trust that, especially if it's well within the margin of error. One kilo is within the margin of error of a scan like that. I can make my body look. On a scan, I could change my body mass within six hours by changing my hydration. I also think that I'd like to have you on a MAPS program just because when you first start lifting and you do diet right, like you did, you definitely did the right things nutritionally and get into strength training.

Your programming doesn't have to be that great and you will see good results. And I think you saw good results. As you continue on, it gets a little more important on how good is your programming. And just as you go, as you get deeper into this. I'm going to dial it in. Yeah, the dialing and the programming will help continue this progress. I think what you did with the diet was phenomenal. And so really having some sort of really good structure.

And I don't know, are you coming up with the programming? Are you getting it from somewhere? I've tried a few different programs. And I seem to get to the point where I'm moving into those, like, you know, really big kind of barbell compound lifts. And I start to try and do them. and I'm just my weight's going right down when I'm trying to kind of lift

I suppose squat with the barbell I can't, there's no way I'd be even lifting probably 30 kilobams on a back squat to what I could do using the landmine so I have to try and then start adapting it I think it's just my back because when I, as soon as I come up from the squat I swing to one side

whereas I don't seem to do that when I'm using other equipment Yeah, no, so you could go real slow, but this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to send you a program called Map Symmetry. And I want you to skip the last phase. So don't do the last phase. Just do the first phases. And I want you to just repeat that a couple times while going and continuing to increase your calories.

And you're going to get great results from that. You'll build muscle on that, no problem. Strength stability around your joints. Thank you so much. Yeah, because I've just kind of been like, oh, I don't know where to go from here now. making up kind of adapting programs to suit me, but not really kind of feeling like I'm on, I'm on any kind of path now.

No, it makes a big difference to have good. It does. Unilateral training. Yeah, and it's all unilateral training. So because of your back and your fear of hurting yourself and what you said just really solidified it for me, your hips will shift to one direction. Unilateral training is going to be very valuable.

The last phase of symmetry is bilateral, which is why I want you to skip it. And I want you to run symmetry maybe a couple times without doing the last phase. And then at the end of that, I think you'll be ready to start practicing bilateral, you know, barbell movement. I'll have Doug send over symmetry.

And then I'd also like to have him put you in our private forum if you're not already in there, because then you can just reach out to us as you're going through the process. So if there is an exercise that doesn't feel right or you have questions about, literally just message us inside the Facebook forum. And then we can adjust it for you or change it

or you can show us a video of how you're moving and we can help you. Thank you. Would you suggest that a stick to, to 1800 or should I increase it? I mean, I do have quite a sedentary job, but I do get my 10,000 steps in a day.

Oh, you're moving. No, you're doing great. I'd go up to 1900 and then to 2000 and then to 2100 and bump it up. Right. Bump it up every two, three weeks and see how you feel. But I think you're going to, I think you'll feel great bumping your calories. Yeah, yeah.

Well, do you know what? I usually have a banana and go to the gym. And the other day I was hungry. So I had a full breakfast and went to the gym. I did a few of things. I was just like, oh, yeah. All right. Hey, what part of the UK are you formed, by the way?

Where are you at in England? So I'm from somewhere called Lancaster. I knew it. Which is in the northwest of England. I have family. So your accent sounds similar to my sister-in-law, who's right around that area. So that's why I asked.

All right, yeah. Awesome. The best earlier, of course. That's right. That's right. Naturally. I'm not slightly colder than where you guys are. Just a bit more.

Yeah. You're in good hands, though, Amy. We got this. I think you've done an incredible. incredible job on the diet thing, I think, increase. You will notice, I would probably keep your calories there, maybe 100 just for the first two weeks of symmetry, because it's a lot of isometric stuff. You're not doing a lot of movement, but that first, after that, pump those calories and

try and keep increasing them. But you're going to have us in the forum. So if you have questions as you're going through it or concerns, just message us inside the private forum. Oh, brilliant. Thank you so much. And thank you for your help. And thanks for answering my questions.

You got it. All right, Amy. Thank you. Take care. See later. Yeah, it's, I mean, that's the thing. I want people understand. The strongest correlate to muscle is strength.

There is no stronger, like, you can't find something that is more strongly correlate. It's not perfect because you could just improve your technique and your neural drive and all that stuff. Sure. But if you're getting a lot stronger, like, definite sign to pay attention. Yeah, if she added, like, one rep to her exercises, oh, well, maybe we'll see what, but, you know, she went of, you know, 20 kilos, which is like 44 pounds on a lift. Like, yeah, you built muscle. Significant.

Our next caller is Sydney from Canada. Hi, Sydney. How are you? Hello. Hi. How are you? Good. How are you?

Good, thank you. How can we help you? I'll just go ahead to read my question. It says, Hi, guys. I'm a busy 42-year-old mom of three teens, all-in-wrap sports. I work a pretty active job, residential cleaning, and I constantly battle overuse pain in my shoulders, elbows, and wrists.

I've done a ton of physio for them and mostly keep control of the injuries so that I can keep training and working in living. I have been doing Maps 15 for about six months and recently tried to move on to Muscle Mommy. I did struggle right away, unfortunately, with it being too much upper body volume. My question is, how would you change up the programs to be a little more lower body focused since my upper body already takes quite a bit of a beating with my daily life. I can manage Maps 15, but even with that, I'd love a little extra lower body focus versus the upper body. So I can help eliminate some of that upper body fatigue.

Yeah, Sydney, thanks for calling in. And I feel you. So tell me your schedule. So what does your job look like? What time do you start? What are the activities looking like? And like what's going on? So my workday typically starts around nine.

Mine goes till about four, which of course they come right home then and into kids and all of their scheduled sports, which is every night. Most nights at least two, if not all three of them in different directions. but I am like a residential cleaner. So it's a lot of overhead using, unfortunately, I'm terrible using my left. So it's a lot of right-handed activities. Yeah. And so have you ever tracked your steps to see how many steps you take a day?

Typically anywhere from, if I'm just going from work, it's usually about 8 to 12,000 steps. we do have a couple of dogs. So often there is a lot more walking involved with getting them in their daily steps. So I think my day is usually around 12,000, yeah. What is your sleep look like? It is. What does your sleep look like, by the way? What time do you go to bed?

What time do you wake up? My sleep has actually gotten a lot better lately. I used to be a terrible sleeper, but I do tend to get pretty much seven to eight hours every night. Okay. Would you say generally, mind if I ask you another question? Sydney? Sure. Would you say generally speaking with just kids, you have three teenagers, a lot of work,

work, trying to keep up the workout, diet, all that stuff. Would you say generally like, oh, my God, I just feel overwhelmed? Often, yes. This is probably the worst part of the time of year for us because we're back into school and all the sports start up now. So this is kind of the craziest time for us, and it's definitely overwhelming. Okay. So rather than adding or switzerland,

switching out volume. There's a couple things I'd want you to focus on. How are you with water intake? Do you drink enough water every day? Probably not. Yeah. Let's increase that because that'll make a big difference with pain. Okay. That makes a really big difference. And so what you want to do is aim for a half a gallon to a gallon a day. And I'm assuming at work, you probably just lose track. You just get into what you're doing so you're not drinking. That is mostly it. Yep. Okay. So get yourself. Carry something that you can track. Yeah, carry something like even a gallon of water and that way you could watch it all day long. And it's going to be hard to do all at once.

You might want to add a little bit of electrolytes to it because that will help you absorb it. So you could add like a packet of element to the whole gallant and try to drink that all day. That tends to help with, you know, the inflammation and pain. And then what I'd like you to do is MAPS 15 every other day. I don't think you need more of any kind of volume. I think you need less overall volume. Yep. Yep.

Okay. Yep. So instead of going, you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, whatever you go, Monday, take a day off. Wednesday, don't worry about the seven-day schedule. Just every other day, you're following the next workout that's a Mass 15 while drinking that water. And I bet you're going to start to feel a lot better.

The only thing I might add to that advice that we can send to you that I think would be valuable is our prime pro and stuff around your shoulders, elbows and wrists, some of the mobility moves that are in there. Just kind of include, you can include those on your off days. on the days that you work out and just spend 10, 15 minutes, you know, a couple times a day of doing some of those, the stuff that's in the shoulders, elbows, and wrist. And then follow Sal's advice with Matt 15. And I think that's the, I think that's the appropriate amount of volume.

If you start to get stronger and your pain starts to go down, you know you're going in the right direction. Yep. Even if it feels like it's not a lot, like if you're like, oh, I should be doing more. I think you're already doing so much. I think your life is probably so hectic, so busy. Your job is busy. You got teenagers.

You got all that stuff to manage. Then you got to come home and worry about food and then take him to school, that stuff. I think if you start to get stronger and pain starts to go down, like we know we're on the right track. How is diet, Sydney and protein intake? I pretty consistently hit my protein. I aim for about 140 to 150 grams every day.

And I most days do that or more. are a few days I miss, but not very often. So that's pretty good. I only really track that kind of my calories, but loosely. Yeah. Okay. Generally, whole foods, do you eat a lot? Do you eat out a lot?

Like, what's, are you? I try really hard not to. There are times where it's just not doable to get anybody at home in a day. But we do, we all try. I mean, of course, with the three kids being athletes, too, they need it just as much as anybody else. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. I think you just need to be at the appropriate amount of volume. If you're good about hitting your protein intake, mostly whole foods, and then even when you eat out, make good choices. Yeah.

I think that's the answer. Sidney, does your husband work too? Do you guys both work in and managing all this? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He works a lot more than I do hour-wise. And he's also coaching our son's hockey team.

So listen, listen, I don't think people realize just how, hectic and overwhelming and busy it is when you have parents working and you have multiple children and they also have their own activities what it feels like all day long is you have no time to do anything but all the stuff you're supposed to do and that is a stress on the body sydney and exercise is an additional stress on the body and so we have to find a way and oftentimes you got to scale way back and then when you see yourself getting stronger and feeling good what you don't want to do is like, oh, I feel good.

I could do more. No, no, no, we're perfect. We're perfect. If you're getting stronger and the pain's starting to go down, we're perfect. Let's stay there. Okay. All right? I'm definitely bad for that.

I feel good. I should do more. I know. Yeah, you're a mom. You just want to do it all and sacrifice everything for everyone else. Did you come to our muscle mommy talk or did you do the seven-day trial in the muscle mommy group at all? I haven't.

I would like to. I think you would be great for that. I think you can get in, you can go in there for a free trial. and join the group. A lot of the women in there are in very similar boats as you are, trying to balance life and kids and work and build muscle. I think you'll get a tremendous amount of value of that. And by the way, it comes with Muscle Mommy 15.

So we have a 15 program that we built for Muscle Mammies. It's only in that group that gets that. And you get coached by our coaches. Once a week. Once a week, you get to meet with our girls that are coaching all the ladies in there. So I think you get tremendous value that. It's muscle mommy movement. but we'll email you that too.

Awesome. I will check it out. All right. Thanks for calling in. Thank you. You got it. Take care, guys. Bye.

I just want people to listen to hear this, especially if you're a trainer or coach. The individual variance with how much exercise someone can tolerate is so vast that I didn't appreciate it until I got, I was a trainer with 10 years of experience. I just didn't. And I could tell by looking at her. You just run it off a formula. That's right. And when I asked her, and that's why I asked her this question, how often do you feel overwhelmed?

Yeah. And she's like, all the time, essentially. It's like, okay, we're going to scale way back. Well, it's so funny, too, because she asked, I mean, she answered her own question when she went to muscle mommy, which, by the way, is not a crazy amount of volume in muscle mommy at all. For her to feel it right away and know that she had to scale back, like, you, and you were doing good on 15. People just think, oh, if I can do this, now I need more. That's right. It's like, no, sometimes that's the right dose.

Sometimes when you're feeling good, like, that's where you want to stay. season. Her kids are going to grow up, go off to college. Especially right now. Some of these overuse patterns, too, it's so hard for me because it's like, you know, I know specific exercises that could really unlock a lot of the pain, a lot of isometric, you know, stuff. But it's like, you know, we've got the general advice, you know, you guys are given. Perfect. But, I mean, if she gets in that muscle mommy group and she's meeting with Corinne and them every week. And she has, she has prime pro. She'll get that guidance. And they'll be able to dive into those specific things. So I really hope that she gets in there and stays in there because the girls will really build to help her out. Our next caller is Deanna from Ohio. Hi, Deanna. Hi, Deanna. Hello.

Hi, guys. How are you? How are you? Good to see you again. Yeah, thank you for having me again. So here's the update. Yeah, let's hear the update. Okay.

All right. So since last April, I have been healthier than I think since even my 20s. Yeah. Yeah, it's been fantastic. So I have been living in my 20s. 15 since we talked last April. It has been phenomenal. I have to say for all your callers, like I was them and thought there's no way this program is going to be enough. And it has literally changed my life. Like I have never built muscle. I have never like sculpted,

none of that until Matt's 15. So it's been crazy. But I'll read my email so Doug don't get mad at me. Okay, so as you know, like I was, Sandra Cabral's kind of disaster work at the end of 2023. I went into 2024 working with his team on a collection of issues a little over a year after completing. Actually, it's been like since last summer when I finally finished everything. I implemented all his supplements. He recommended. I've been doing bioidential. hormonal replacement therapy. And I'm just checking back in, hoping for a little more help. So from January to February, from January to March last year, I lost like 28 pounds, just like from eating whole natural foods and being like just cleaning out my gut. And so I've maintained that

since I was a scale worshiper in my entire life. And now I don't. ever even. I don't even know where my scale is. I keep it packed away. And then through bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, I do get an embody scan every four months. And so I went the beginning of September and since last April, I lost 7% body fat. Wow. Wow. And that was just 15 pounds that I lost in that time period between the two. So I'm super proud. of that and it's shocking to me that my body at this age is just now responding to all my workouts and I'm in a healthier place. So my questions are, but I should start with my sleep is still terrible. So my cortisol spikes at night. I have tried everything that Dr. Cabral

recommended that you guys recommend and I'm still failing. Like I cycle his adrenal sooth every three to four months. I don't, I'm not a TV person. I'm not on my phone that much. I am an overthinker and I worry a lot. So my job's very stressful. I am going through a divorce after 26 years of marriage. And I just moved my only living child to college. So life's very different for me. It looks very different for me right now. As I said, I've been living in Maps 15. I run it over and over. I do modify the exercises sometimes for a particular body part just to do something different. I get compliments all the time about how I look. People ask what I'm doing for workouts, which is when I scream your praises every time.

Everyone thinks that I'm still losing weight and I weigh the same amount that I've weighed for over a year now. So my issues are my triceps are absolutely disgusting. Like, I had very nice arms until I got pregnant with my son at 34 years old. I gained a lot of weight during that pregnancy, and my arms love to claim every one of those pounds. When I lost the pregnancy weight pretty quickly, I swear it looks like my arms separated into two different arms. And I'm so insecure about that, that I hate wearing sleeveless tops. I'm sure they probably look somewhat better now than a year ago, but there's still a whole lot of work that needs to be done. At the same time, it always felt like I could and grow my shoulders.

And I had never been able to do a push-up, not one push-up. So I decided I wanted to start learning how to do push-ups. So I started doing like 10 girl push-ups, and then I'd wait a little bit, do 10 works. So every morning I was doing 40, then I got to 50, then it got to 60. And my shoulders look way better, but I can't see a difference in my triceps. and I can now do three real push-ups. All right. Yeah.

So you guys always talk about not adding anything to the workouts when following a MAPS program. And I'm just wondering if that counts for MAPS 15, given those are shorter workouts. So my question is, tell me how to improve problem areas when following MAPS 15. And given where I'm currently at in life, should I try to do a longer program again or continue to live in Maps 15. I sleep good for maybe four hours, and then I wake up like every 20 or 30 minutes after that.

I just bought the How to Build a Butt mod, and I'm wondering if I can add that into Maps 15 and what that would look like. Thanks so much for your time. You guys are still food for my soul. I know my son Stephen is up in heaven, smiling down. She has finally listened.

then. So I love you guys. I'm truly grateful for you. And if you only know how much joy you've brought me. Thank you so much. You're doing great. What if I told you there's a Muscle Mommy 15 program that focuses on shoulders and butt? There's a muscle mommy's 15. That focuses on shoulders and butt. It's inside the muscle. It's inside our muscle mommy group. You got to get in there. Yeah. You got to get in there. Okay. So let me just back up. First of all, you're doing great. Yeah. You're doing amazing. Yeah. The next level for you would be to work with a coach in some way, shape, or form just to get some more guidance through this process. That's what our Muscle Mommy group is. So you go in there, it's group coaching once a week.

Our trainers help coach you. And it includes the Muscle Mommy 15 program in there. And then what they can do is tweak your program as you go along. Because you've, I mean, by the way, if we back up, you just keep doing what you're doing, you're doing great. Yeah. I mean, you honestly don't need to change anything. If you want to start to move things along a little faster, it's going to take some more detailed changes, which is what you'll get with the group coaching. And I think that would be the best option for you.

Okay. I do want to join that group. I've seen all the emails and I do want to join. I'm just still in an area, like a time in my life. I'm adjusting the one income instead of two. Like this is all very new for me. So it's kind of difficult right now. But I ain't. looking at that and I do want to do that. Have you done the trial period in there? Yeah, at least. That doesn't cost anything. Yeah, get into the trial period at least so you can experience.

So get in the trial and if it doesn't work, you could just jump out. But if you think like, okay, I can do this, then do this. Otherwise, I mean, you're doing great. I wouldn't add anything to what you're doing except for. Except for little details in the program. That's right. That's exactly what you're going to get in there. That's right.

And as far as your sleep is concerned, you, you're, You got, I mean, sending off a kid to college is enough to cause that. I know what that's like. But then you also got, you're going through a divorce. It's going to be really, and you're doing all the right stuff. In fact, if you didn't do all the right stuff, your sleep would be even worse. So just got to be patient with it. I'm also, I can be terrible with my sleep and it's for the same reasons that you are.

I'm a thinker at night. I just, it's hard for me to shut the brain off, especially when I have a lot going on in my life. Shoot, last night was a night like that for me where I just could not turn it off. so bad that I'm sitting there in silence and my wife will elbow me at like midnight and she'll say, stop. And I'm like, I'm not talking. I'm just laying there, but she says you can hear me thinking. That's how I am at night. One of the things that really helps is either listening to an audio book or reading right before that way because it takes my mind away from all the things I'm doing and that kind of like rocks me to sleep a little bit. So I'm kind of listening to the book or I'm reading the book

and that takes my mind off the business or off the personal stuff I got going on. That really helps me. You could also try Brain FM. Have you ever tried Brain FM? I haven't tried Brain FM. I do use Mellow and I take magnesium before bed. I don't have any problem falling asleep at all. It's just once that four hours, sometimes it's only three.

I wake up and from that point on it's just downhill. I'm looking at the clock every 20, 30 minutes. saying how much time I have left to try to sleep. You could try Brain FM. And Brain FM has helped, there's some studies that show that it helps people stay asleep as well. Or if they wake up, they go back to sleep. So you could try that as well.

Okay. Reading is always good. So I've been seeing some data now because what they used to say is if you wake up, just keep your eyes closed and stay there. Now I'm seeing some data that says, get up with really low level light and then do something else, like read a paper book until you get tired and fall back to sleep. So I've now seen some experts kind of communicate that because what you said is so common,

like where people will wake up and then it's like they're stressfully trying to go back to sleep. And as more time passes, they're like, oh my God, I only have two hours left. Oh my God, I only have one hour left. Yes. And it becomes this cycle. So I've actually heard. And I just started thinking.

Yes, I've heard some experts say actually get up, but with low level light, don't turn on bright lights. And then read, you can get one of those like books lights that go right. on your book and then like read a paper book until you start to feel sleepy and then try to go back to sleep. Okay. And then about adding like things and like so for my triceps or like the butt mod thing like is that does that make any sense or is that like over training then? I don't want you to add anything because you're doing so well. Yeah. I don't want you to add anything. You could always swap exercises out. So in other words, if one of the days is, I'll just

throw this out there. One of the days is a tricep and a bicep exercise. Well, I'll just do one bicep set and then do the rest of the sets for the triceps. So I could swap sets out like that. Okay. Well, I did, I'm actually start, I just, I'm in phase one of MAPS 15 advanced. And this is my first time ever barbell training. Oh, that's good. Oh, that's good. Oh, you're good. That's good. Oh, no, don't do anything else. Yeah, just follow that. No, no, you're not doing it, don't do anything else. Yeah, so it's going to be good. Yeah, this will be great. And I, and I should tell you guys so um i belong to planet fitness because it's the closest place to and it's always stuff that they don't have like regular squat rack and things but um my plan of fitness just got

three real squat wrap wow oh wow what's happening it's the only planet fitness that i know of that actually they have a they have a hit thrust machine now they have the three squat racks, and then they have a hack squat. Oh, wow. So, like, or whatever we said. So that one is, yeah. That's great. And I also want to say, like, I have starved myself my whole entire life.

And since I worked with Dr. Cabral last year and I started eating whole natural foods, I thought, I thought I was around 1,700 calories a day. And last night, I went through before talking to you guys. and I'm literally eating 2,800 calories. Oh, yeah. Like 2,800 calories and lose weight. And I'm at like 184 grams of protein a day. So good.

You're kicking butt. So good. And I'm at 95 grams of fat. Is that? That's great. That's great. That's great. You're good.

Yes. Okay. All right. And then on the in-body scan, a, a, year ago, I was at a hundred and fifteen two for visceral fat and now I'm 101. You are kicking butt. 50 pounds of fat down. Yeah.

Think about that for a minute. That's so incredible. I mean, I hate to ever to mess with somebody who's seeing that kind of results. You really don't want to. That's why I said, Dion, that's why I'm saying, you tweak little things. I don't want you to really change anything unless you work with a coach who individual humming right now. Yeah.

That's really the only time I would change anything for you. Okay. Yeah, because I could train you and coach you and then I know what to change here and there. Like grip position. But generally speaking right now, I don't want to, I don't want you to change anything except for trying to get better sleep. Yeah. But there's really nothing else. Okay.

Okay. Great job. Yeah. It's well, it's all for you guys. I mean, you guys taught me everything I know and I'm still telling people about you. And my sister-in-law finally just bought her first Maps program. Oh, yeah. And I told her if you guys could get a hold of her, you would tell her to fire her trainer.

And now her husband's telling her that. So anyway, but she is going to start anabolic. So that's exciting. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Awesome. I hope we see you in the Muscle Mommy group because then if we can keep in a closer eye on you.

But you're doing great. No matter what, you're doing it. great. It's muscle mommy movement.com. And I know there's, I believe it's a week where you can go in there for free and just see what it's about, get some coaching. And then you can decide from there or not. Otherwise, you're doing great. Okay. All right. Well, it's always great. Hearing from you guys and being on. Thank you. And I love you guys that listen to you every morning. Adam, the episode was on the other day about your, about Max, you know, take care of your sister through the night. And it just made me cry when I was getting ready for. It's a lot of time I think about it. Yeah, yeah. You guys are great. Your great dads and great husbands.

Thank you. Thank you. We love you. Thank you. We love you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Wow. What incredible. 50 pounds of fat running maps 15. Yeah. Just humming. Well, I mean, she's doing 2,800 calories. I mean, imagine her for sleep. And here's a thing, like a divorce and.

Oh, my God. It's going to. Amidst all these things. Yeah. That's going to be tough. Yeah, that's a lot. No. But the waking up, you know, it's funny.

I just heard an expert talk about this where he's like... About getting a reading. He's like, get up. Like, it's not happening. Get up. Do something. Keep the lights low until you start to feel drazzy. Go back to bed.

He's like, I've had great success with people who struggle with that. There's something like I feel like it would be all the way up. You know, it is, you're right, though, because I'm just like this where you start looking at the clock and you're like, oh, I can only get my phone. Exactly. Yeah, you start and you overthink that versus like... I go through periods of that for sure. That's the worst.

But I mean, dude, you hate to mess with any of that. She is just like Justin said, humming. I mean, that's incredible results all the way around. To be eating that much, training in Maps 15, see the body fat to do that. See the, I mean, that's so good. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. We'll see you at Mind Pump media. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump.

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