Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2743: The Trainer-Approved Way to Eat Carbs for the Best Results

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

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I'm talking right now. Hit pause. Head on over to mindpumpstor.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. Carbs. It's the macronutrient that's not essential. right? You don't eat them?

Well, technically that's true, but what about if you want gains? What if you want performance, strength, muscle? I'm here to tell you. Carbs can play a big role, and there's a difference in how you use them, the kind you eat, when you eat them, all that stuff. We're going to talk about carbs right now. How to use carbs for the gains.

Let's go. Have you ever tried to gain without carbs? Yes. Yes, I did. Ugh. Yeah. I've used this example before, but it's literally, you're playing your video game. They're like, what would you like to do? Hard mode.

Absolutely difficult mode. Super duper hard mode. Let's do that. No, car. Okay, so let's start here. The data on strength, so anaerobic, strength, power, athletic performance, except for, some people will point this out, except for possibly the kind of endurance that you would use that is kind of low-level, long-lasting.

So maybe not the case. maybe because there's data that supports that there is also the case, but maybe not if you're going to do like a super slow run for super long distances. Otherwise, carbohydrate intake improves athletic performance and strength. It just does. Well, even that, I mean, we had one of the, you know, ultramarathon record holders on our show a long time ago. And what he does is run keto, but then when it comes to game time, he uses it's a fast sourcing. Yeah. So fast using source of energy. Right. Yeah. But then he does he does. still utilizes carbohydrates.

So, yeah, even in that situation you're talking about, there's still value to utilizing carbohydrates. That's right. But, you know, and also the lifestyle effects, right? I mean, would you want to avoid an entire macronutrient? All the good stuff? Like having a good mood? Isn't that factor in?

Yeah. And there's data now that shows that going no carb for too long can cause issues, potentially issues with your thyroid and thyroid hormone. Isn't that what Saladino ended up coming out about too? Well, now Saladino, who's the carnivore guy, now advocates for some carbohydrate. Yeah, fruit, honey.

Berry, and sweet potato even. Oh, even sweet potato now. Yeah, and I think that's... We're getting closer to a paleo diet. You know what happens? You go on it for so long and then you start to experience negative effects. You know, you know, and now carbohydrates are interesting, though. Carbohydrates are interesting because what you'll see with athletics

performance and even bodybuilding is this is the macronutrient that you can manipulate and play with to elicit certain responses. Protein intake tends to be consistent all the time. Fat intake tends to be relatively consistent all the time. Carbs is where you can start to play

to get more of a benefit here or there. Makes it on activity. That's right. That's right. And then carbohydrate sources make a pretty big difference. They do with proteins and fats. as well, but with carbs, different sources can have a different effect on the body. So I'll start with you, Adam, because you really learned how to manipulate carbohydrates

because you had to present your body on stage at 2% body fat. What did you learn about carbohydrates for that particular thing? Well, I mean, one of the things I got to do was I did everything you could think of as far as how to use them. So I ran super high carb diets. I ran super low carb diets. I did backloading on carbs. I did front loading on carbs.

What's backloading and front loading, by the way? So that's where you basically eat a majority, if not all your carbohydrates in the evening time, would be backloading. And then front loading would be eating all of them in the beginning of the day and then none at the rest of the night. And the biggest thing that I learned for myself, person, and I do think there's a massive individual variance

because I've manipulated this enough times with clients that I feel like, everybody has their own specific number. Like I had nailed down that it was 75 grams of carbs for me. Now, granted, that might be different than today because I'm a different, I'm a whole different body. This was at 75 for a meal? No, total.

Like so, like, as long as I got 75 to 80 grams of carbs before my workout. Oh, I see. I had that, like, and where I'm going with this is that the difference between 80 and say 200 grams before workout was nominal. There was no difference. I didn't feel a bigger pump. I didn't have more energy. It was like, so it wasn't like more carbs is better necessarily.

But there was definitely an optimal amount. So if you went, if you was 30, you could tell. Oh, yeah. If it was 30, flatter in the workout, didn't feel as strong. Pumps weren't as good. But right at that like, and of course there's like a range, give or take 10 to 15. That's why I said 75 to 80. It was probably somewhere more like 70 to 90, you know, somewhere in there.

But once I started pushing beyond. 100. It was like, and that gave me like the maximum performance. Also, I could split that up in two meals. So it wasn't, I didn't feel lethargic from it. Um, so it was in easily digestible carbohydrates. And then, um, post workout, I always enjoyed having to, I noticed having less. And again, this is a lot of my, this is all anecdotal, right? This is my personal experience because I've done different things with different clients. Um, I noticed when I had a lighter carbohydrate dinner I slept better. It's funny.

Some people the opposite. The opposite. That's why I said, that's why I prefaced that. You have data on that, by the way. Yeah, that's why I prefaced that because some clients I've had where I load them up on carbs, they sleep like babies. Other clients, not so much. They do much better on like a high protein, like vegetable type of meal for their last meal.

I do really good with that. So I found that prioritizing most of my carbohydrates, regardless if I was in a really high state of eating, I've been as high as six, 700 grand. of carbs in a day and as low is probably about as low what I would consider low carbohydrate for me is like 150. Although obviously in competitive dieting, I've pushed low. You also went keto for a while where it was zero. Yeah, yeah. So I've done everything in between.

And keto, what I found with no carbs in the keto diet, really good for appetite suppressant. Those that have listened to me talk about my sugar addiction and how hard that is and has been for my entire life. I never felt less of a pool towards sugar when I was on the keto genics. So I found a lot of value because of that. But I definitely didn't have the same oomph in my workout. I couldn't get the same pumps. I desperately tried to gain.

Because I was in the middle, if you remember, that was when we first started the podcast. You were still competing. Yeah, I was still, you know, full into meathead Adam at that time. And so very much so cared about not losing any muscle trying to gain. and I really tried to do it, you know, through the ketogenic diet,

and I just could not. I couldn't get enough, I couldn't have get enough calories because it just suppressed the appetite so well. So I found a lot of value in the lower carbohydrate when you have somebody who struggles with cravings a lot. So if you're a person who struggles with cravings a lot, the higher fat, higher protein approach tends to do really well with that.

you may lack a little bit in performance in the gym, but you still can work out. It's not like I didn't want to work out. It just wasn't the same as when I was carved up. And this is to me all the nuance that matters when you're coaching a client is it's less about, oh, what's the best strategy for fat loss or, oh, what's the best for muscle pumps? It's more like, okay, what's the client's goal? And how does that individual respond to the way I feed them carbohydrates?

and that would dictate all the things I'm talking about. I'd say probably if I were to, if I were to, if I were to in a nutshell, because the variance with carbs is very interesting. You don't find, there's a variance with everything. So I'll be clear there. But you don't see this variance, this wide variance like you deal with carbs with like proteins and fats. Again, there's variance in everything.

So I'd have clients that would do a little better with lower protein, higher protein, but generally high protein. And fats, you would still see a variance. but it's not, you know, it wasn't this huge variance where I could have clients that are great on low and others that are phenomenal. Well, to your point, they're essential. Well, to your point, everybody has a low threshold for those two. Those are essential. Right.

Yeah. So it makes sense. Yeah. It definitely makes sense. The one thing I would say that the most important consideration with carbohydrates is digestibility. I'd say that's number one, which is a strong consideration for all food. But carbohydrates, boy, can some of them make you feel... Be some irritators in there.

Totally. Some of them make you feel terrible. Others make you feel amazing. So when picking carbohydrate sources, ideally, it's like which one makes you feel the best digestive way? Even that, Sal, is nuanced because, I mean, at least our experience, right? I mean, how many clients have you coached that even have a good connection to? something that's not really digesting well with them. I can't tell you how many people are like,

oh, I'm fine. I do good on bread. I always eat that. Yeah, until I cut it out. Yeah, then I cut it out and they're like, oh my God, I feel like I lost all this way. It's like, yes, sir. Reintroducing it's a whole other thing.

Yeah. And so, you know, I'm such a, I'm such a fan of, you know, if you're a listener, if you do this on your own, if you have a coach, or if you are a coach, doing stuff like this, where even if a client claims that this, oh, this is, I like to eat this way, this purpose,

okay, let's try these different things. Because many times, they're just unaware. They're unaware of what better feels like. They're adapted to that, that is. You just don't have a contrast. Yeah. You don't have out of the matrix. Yeah.

And you just, and you, and you don't have crippling problems from, say, the bread. And so, you know, maybe you don't have a full-blown gluten intolerance. But it also may not just be easily digested for you. And you add that to a little bit of a stressful day. And you're holding on to blow. in water for a day and you think it's fat. Yeah. For me, some carbohydrate sources will give me a crash.

Others don't give me a crash. I know for me for athletic performance, strength, muscle gain, then I need to eat some good carbs. It starts your carbs. Typically rice, potato, fruit is okay. If I want mental sharpness, then lower carbohydrates tend to work better. So if I'm going to do like a podcast circuit and I need to be sharp for, you know, all day. Because I'm doing three or four podcasts. Then I'm going to go.

lower carb. I also notice a big different style too on my training regimen on how those foods are digested. Like, uh, I can get away with more pasta breads and things that, let's say I have a little bit of an intolerance to, uh, when I'm training hard. When I'm training hard, it's like my body is like needing calories. It feels like it just kind of, if I, if I'm not, and I have something like that, it seems like it's easily upset or I have issues with it. So I think that even matters. Like so especially when you're talking about people that may not have a, full-blown intolerance, but that the food just doesn't totally agree with you. And it's like when I'm, when I'm strength training and needing a lot of these additional calories,

it feels like my body, go ahead, it plows through it and it and he's up. When I don't need those extra calories and then I pile that on there, I can feel a major difference. Here's what's interesting, too, with carbohydrates is that a majority of heavily ultra-processed foods are carbohydrate-based. Yeah. Now, it's not because, kind of, but it's not entirely because carbohydrates, are the best when you're trying to create a hyper-palatable type of food. It's cheap.

It's cheap. You know, fat and salt is part of that, right? Pallitability, although it's extremely complex, like food scientists understand this. The three main ingredients, if we were to break down the macros of palatibility, it's salt, sugar, and fat. So fat and salt are a part of this as well. But the big reason that carbohydrate is, to make up a majority of ultra-processed foods

because they're cheap. So I can make and produce large amounts of these foods and it be inexpensive. And one of the pieces of the formula for processed foods is convenience and affordability. So like a box of, you know, high-protein snacks, even though they're snacks, are still, they're going to be expensive

because protein is more expensive. So when people cut carbs and notice a big difference, oftentimes it's because they've reduced their their processed food consumption. Oftentimes. Not all of it because carbohydrates are the least satiety producing anyway, but a lot of it's just they've just cut out

ultra processed foods. But that being said, like if you want good performance and gains, like you're trying to build strength and muscle, you're reversed dieting to speed up your metabolism. You know, you're listening to the podcast

and it's resonating. You want to try it out. You're better off eating carbohydrate. and stick to whole natural sources. Sources that are minimally processed, like white rice, potato, sweet potato, fruit, quinoa. What you'll find when you eat those sources, along with other whole natural sources,

you're not going to overeat. You'll do great. And you'll see, especially if you eat the protein first, and you'll see phenomenal results. The other thing, the other reason why oftentimes people will promote low carb so much is they have an underlying digestive issue, gut health issue, that they haven't solved yet. Okay, so if you have SIBO, like small intestinal bacterial overgrowth or

CFO, which is fungal overgrowth, or a parasite, which you don't know about, or gut inflammation, carbohydrates tend to make those worse. So you suddenly will cut carbs and be like, oh, my God, I feel so much better. This was me for a long time when I was trying to figure out what was wrong in my gut issues. I went low carb, not because it was the best for performance or anything else, but mainly because it was the best for my digestion, which ultimately meant it was the best for me. And that's because the glucose is feeding the bacteria.

It's just, I would eat them and it would cause problems. And going no carb would just felt a lot better. But isn't that what's how? That's why the reason, right? So it's like that food's getting converted over to glucose. The glucose is feeding the bacteria. They're fermenting. They're causing issues.

You're getting bloat or digestive distress and stuff like that. And so you'll hear this sometimes. You'll also see, and this is something entirely different, where people will go low carb because of autoimmune issues. Now, there's a lot of speculation as to why people will get benefit from this. It might be that carbohydrate containing foods have compounds that can cause an immune reaction, more likely to cause an immune reaction. But I'll also point to protein sources that are high on that as well, egg whites and dairy being chief among them. nonetheless, there's such an individual variance with this.

But I will say, like, if you are... Huge difference for me. Yeah, if you're like, hey, what do you mean? When I was low carb. Yeah. My audit, that was one of the things that kept me going on the ketogenic diet too was that how good my psoriasis was. Right.

Yeah. And it was very obvious when I started to reintroduce the carbohydrates, especially processed ones. Yeah. There's also a huge difference than that. Like, rice doesn't seem to do it. Sweet potatoes don't seem to do it. eat something out of a box or sugar or something like that.

And 30 minutes to an hour later, I'm already scratching myself. There's something there. There's got to be too. Like you mentioned feeding the bacteria. I wonder if the beneficial bacteria versus like less beneficial, like in whatever you're, you know, predominantly growing in your gut, I wonder. Well, if you have a bacterial overgrowth, what it means is dysbiosis, meaning that the wrong bacteria, there's too much of the wrong bacteria, too little of the

right bacteria or the ratio of the bacteria is off. This is really loose, everybody. This is like super, I know. I'm really oversimplifying because there's very complex. Microbiome is super complex. But essentially, that's what you're talking about. So now you're feeding this bacterial milieu with what they tend to eat a lot of, which is carbohydrates or sugars.

They also eat fats and some proteins, but carbohydrates will feed them. And so what you do is just kind of blow up and strengthen this. this disbiosis. And so suddenly you got bloat. This is what happens. People will be like, man, when I eat carbs, I get super bloated. And so this is kind of the issue. You could also have, you know, certain overgrowth.

I can't remember, I don't know why it's, women will oftentimes get this. Candida. Candida. Oh, yeah, candida. And Candida, it's like, feeds on carbs. Feeds on carbs. And so you'll eat carbs and you feel absolutely terrible. But if you treat those issues, you work with.

someone with a gut health specialty to treat those issues, then you go back to eating carbs, and you're totally fine. So it wasn't the carbs that was the issue. It was something else that was the issue. One thing I'll say, though, is one thing you can play with, and we're splitting hairs here now, but we do have a lot of fitness fanatics that listen to a podcast that love splitting hairs. Carbohydrate timing is pretty awesome.

If I have, you know, a decent carbohydrate meal a few hours before my workout with good water intake and sodium, I'm getting a best pump of my life. it's amazing. If I don't, it's a big different. I remember when I figured that out. Yeah. Like it was, I mean, I don't know what, a decade of taking no explode and all the, all the pre-workout pump stuff that I could possibly do. And I mean, I can feel those. I mean, I noticed the difference. But when I, and it wasn't until bodybuilding. So imagine, I'm 30 years old when I finally unlocked this was like when I knew the value, how much I had to, I knew I had to manipulate water. And so, and I didn't, uh, everything that I had read going into bodybuilding, like I knew how unhealthy it was for what these guys were doing.

And I'm like, well, if I trained myself to drink like three gallons and then I cut all the way down to say a half a gallon, I'm still in a really healthy place of water. And so that was my strategy. And so I began really pushing water like I had never pushed water before. And of course, with that came taking electrolytes in at the same time. And holy shit, the pumps are crazy. The pumps were insane.

I'm like, oh my God, this whole time, this whole time. All I need to do is just drink a bunch more water. Free water? I mean, it makes a huge difference. Like the carbohydrate thing, I had got, I figured it out down to the exact amount. Like, if I had 70, 80 grams of carbohydrates and I put a half a gallon of water in before my workout, okay, before, and then drink another quarter to half during the workout. Great. Yeah.

Just incredible. It's like a new steroid. It is. It was like better than the. Best pump product on the on the on the on the on the on the on the on the on the. Yeah. Water. You need it.

Anyway, I. Wait, wait, wait. Since you're splitting hair stuff. Yeah. Can we talk about the video that I can I have Doug play the video for you? So we can talk about. Sure. Sure.

Yeah. Well, it's not. He's raised blades. I mean, Doug, play play the video I sent over. Peter Attia. He was on Tom Bill. He was on. And the reason why I'm bringing this up is because I actually got quite a few DMs.

And I also wanted to talk about this because I had remember reading. this science a long time ago and I used to tout this information and then I got a lot of people ironically from the science community that's bro science that's bullshit it's not like the protein disappears and you don't use it

that's right and so Brett play it for Justin and everybody so they can hear Doug and then I'm going to have Sal explain the nuance of this or the why this doesn't matter because I did get it I mean this is on Tom show Tom's got a huge And Peter Tia is awesome

yeah exactly that's why I love him I mean if I have had a dog, if I had to, you know, pick the doctor that I wanted, it would be him, you know, that he would be the guy that I want to work with. Solid information. This is where it gets really crazy. If you're eating really small amounts of protein, like 20 grams at a time, you're not going to get muscle protein synthesis because the liver is going to, the liver basically takes

first dibs on the protein and undergoes gluconeogenesis. It's just going to make glucose out of protein. So if you just trickle tiny amounts of protein in, you're not getting muscle protein synthesis. I'm turning it into glucose through a really inefficient process. Yeah, you're just, you're just, you're the, you're just, you're, the liver is turning it into glucose. If you eat tons of protein and the limit based on the literature seems to be somewhere between 40 and 50 grams in one sitting. Once you exceed 40 to 50 grams in one sitting, the excess just goes into gluconeogenesis. So here's a thing with studies like this.

So you can measure markers that will point us in a direction. Like here's a marker for fat oxidation, for example. So fat oxidation happens when you burn body fat. if you go on a ketogenic diet versus a, let's say, balanced diet, both calorie deficit, you're going to see more fat oxidation in a ketogenic diet. Does that mean you burn more body fat? No. You don't burn more body fat. Muscle protein synthesis, you can measure this.

And what you're measuring is the building, essentially, it's adding, you're building proteins in your body. So that definitely can point to building muscle. Now, here's what the data shows. If you eat 20 grams of protein 10 times a day, or you eat 40 grams of protein five times a day, both 200 grams of protein. Or you eat 200 grams in one sitting. Well, I'll get there.

But I'm going to use these two comparisons. Is there going to be a difference in muscle growth and athletic performance and strength? No. No difference. Yeah, but be careful. I mean, what you just said right there, it doesn't counter all what he's,

because he says 40-50 the limit. You're right. Okay. You could go as high as 70. Okay. Now, there is, seems to be an effect on how long you wait between protein feedings, but it's probably four or five hours. It's not every other hour.

So you could have breakfast, lunch, dinner, and have the same total amount of protein. It's not going to make a difference. It's not going to make a difference at the end of the day. There seems to be an effect, like I said, like if you wait a long time. Like 200 grams at one sitting. versus eating three meals, there might be a difference at the end of the day. But the whole, like if you eat 20 grams and you eat 40 for protein synthesis,

more than that, it turns into glucose. At the end, like when you look at the end result, it doesn't work out that way. So the reason why I also wanted to talk about it is because, again, again, I'm going to bring my anecdotal evidence here, right? So you can throw it out the water for those science nerds that want to see 50 science or studies to support what I'm saying. But my personal experience with how I section, like I saw, I've always seen better results

when I've broken my protein up than eating a 200 gram. Because I've done that before. I've had times where I'm like so behind on protein, I'm like the protein shake plus the big steak meal or everything like that. And I get a- Yeah, gee, I wonder why. How did you feel? Well, so that's probably the digestion process of that.

I'm sure. And nothing felt better than the, these nice 40 to 50 grand meals broken up six to eight times in the day. Right. Right. Just my body felt like it used it better. Yeah, because there's also inflammation with all that at one sitting and you just don't feel good. Will that play a role in muscle building?

Maybe. You know, definitely. But what he's saying makes it sound like if you don't eat more than 20 grams of protein, you're not going to build muscle. And if you eat more than 50 grams of protein, you're wasting the protein. Exactly. Wrong. That's not true.

somebody who ate 20 grams of protein you know 8 10 times in a day is fine They're fine Somebody who ate 50 grams of protein Four times in a day Is fine too

Same amount of protein And the data will show that It doesn't It's not going to make a difference At the end of the day When it comes to building muscle brain body fat Just like the fat oxidation studies With ketogenic versus you know

Balanced diets Okay so really explain Although I do again I think that Then that's probably what I felt and probably the most important thing for someone to take away. Because I've had a lot of clients that have asked this before.

Yeah. That struggle with getting protein. And they're, you know, 120 grams shy at 7 o'clock at night. Yeah. You know, and they struggle with this like, hey, should I just not do it or should I stuff the 120 down? And you've got to ask yourself like, well, we need to hit that protein intake really bad. But is it worth the gas or distress?

Exactly. But is it, you know, am I going to be bloated afterwards? And then on the toilet. And it's just like, if that's a kid, But then I've also had other clients that I've met that can crush 80, 90 grams of protein and totally fine. So I think that to me, the reason why I wanted to bring it up is so we could discuss that a little bit, because I do think there's some importance there for the individual to become aware of, like, how you handle eating 80 grams of protein in one sitting versus... The strongest considerations are...

Digestion. Yes. Digestion and is it fit your lifestyle. That right there is by far the biggest consideration. All this other stuff. Like, I love guys like Peter Ritia. I think he's brilliant. But the risk of people like him,

because he gets a lot of attention, being an authority, being a doctor, is they really get people caught in the weeds. And then people miss the forest for the trees. And they just, so now you've got the average person, just getting into fitness. And I'm like, uh, I got to go like this.

This is why I want to bring up because I must have had eight DMs from the average. fitness person, not create, like that, that listen to us a lot, listen to a lot of things he says and go, whoa, this is crazy. This is, this is, doesn't sound like stuff you guys have communicated. And, you know, get to your point, this tends to send some people, be like, oh, well, shit. Well, that's a waste. If you eat more than that, I'm just going to convert it to shit.

Like fasting, fasting causes fat oxidation to go through the roof. But at the end of the day, it's the calories make the difference with fat. In fact, in some studies, not sure that fasting might be not as effective because of the potential muscle loss, but, but, you know, But again, that's even splitting hair. So you got to be careful when you look at like these measures that tend to lead to the end result without looking at the end result. Because at the end of the day, the end result is what matters. I don't necessarily care about what he's saying unless the end result is more muscle, less muscle, better performance, worse performance. If I'm looking at a measurement at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.

It's the result. Who cares? Well, and the digestion is the piece, right? So if I have a client who's just like, yeah, I mean, I eat 60 grams in a sitting and feel totally fine. But I heard this thing that like, I had gastric bypass patients who had to eat only 20 grams of protein in a meal because they couldn't eat more. And so they're eating all day long. Yeah. Because they had this tiny little pouch of a stomach.

Yeah. And so were they not building muscle? Well, they built muscles just fine. Yeah. You know? Good, good. I, along the body building and muscle building, I looked something up because there was. this article I read that talked about the mortality of pro bodybuilders.

So if I say pro bodybuilding, I think most people would think not a healthy sport, right? The amount of drugs that they use, the crazy dieting, the extreme dieting. And you just look at a pro bodybuilder and I think it screams to the average person that's probably not healthy. Right. You look at them. You look at them. You look at them. It doesn't look.

data. I pulled it up. I got it saved here. What's the actual data on pro bodybuilding and its mortality? So pro bodybuilding. Can we guess? Like it's a bit more protective than we think because there's much muscle. So here's what I did. I looked up pro body, pro body, not bodybuilding, pro body building. You have to be an IFBB pro. Okay. Okay. So like the top level. Yes. You compete all the time, all that stuff. Which, you know, that's like the highest level. what is their mortality compared to the general male population? And then what are the worst sports for mortality? Is bodybuilding in the worst sports?

No, definitely. Football is. Well, so I'll tell you. It is. So I'll tell you. So pro bodybuilders have a 34 to 50% higher rate of mortality than general male population. Oh, higher than general. General male.

So, like, and again, remember, these guys are using crazy drugs. Well, there's also something else I'm going to add to you to that when you're done. I was waiting for you to finish that. There is a very high rate of addiction and drug abuse in the bodybuilding community. Aside from... Aside from steroids. You're right. Yeah.

Pain killers. Every... Oh, God, all drugs. Yes. As long as a calorie-free. And to, yeah. You think I'm joking. No, that's a very, very, very real.

You can inject it. I was having this conversation with some friends of mine because we were talking about, like, our past and this and that. These are some Christian friends of mine. And they were like, do, do, I would have never thought you would have, you know, used substances. Like, you're so into fitness that said, I wouldn't have used calorie containing substances. Yeah, yeah. I said, you, you hang out with bodybuilders. Drinking, ew.

They won't drink. Yeah, they're more worried about getting fat than they are about, you know. Not to, not to beat the dead horse with my whole issue and stuff like that. But that was the first justification of using the Vicodin recreationally was that I could just have one beer and that. And then it was, so I would have my calories. 100%. That was the terrible logic. That's the compromiser in there.

My 24-year-old brain used when I was on the butt. Yeah, so it's very, very. So you got to factor that in too right there because I would be interested. Just the overall lifestyle. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Like I bet, you know, it'll be interesting if you did natural pro bodybuilders. Oh, I'm sure it's great.

I'm sure they're okay. I bet it would make a huge difference. So check this out, though. I looked up one of the five deadliest sports by. Okay, football's top five. It's not. No. It's not.

No, really? Well, think about, well, boxing. Think of the crazy sports that are. Because once I say some of these, those wingsuits. Oh, well, that's the wing suit guy. New suits number two. Oh, that's because they die in the sport. Well, bro, wings.

Check this out. At per 100,000 flights, there's two to 300 deaths. Two to 300 deaths per one. Bro, have you ever seen, did you see the movie? Did you guys see the documentary on them? At the end of it, then they all die? Yeah, there was like the documentary. It had all the names.

And they were like, this is how many died during the recording of this. It was like 70%. Yes, dude. It was like, holy crap. Do you know what's higher than that? Then the wingsuits? Yes. I thought that was the highest.

No, base jumping. Oh, yeah. Base jumping is 431 deaths per 100,000 jumps. So one out of 232 because of equipment failure, collisions, low altitude errors. What about like deep dive? No, it's not it. It's not there. How can you not cave diving?

I'm not a big one, dude. You know what number three is? Mountaineering. Mountaineering. You want to know what the death rate is for Mount Everest? This is crazy. I didn't know this one. Oh, it's like very few making.

This stacks of body of it. That's why it's such a big deal to climb it. Forget about it. How many people die? One out of ten. That's why it's such a big deal to climb it. Bro, you have a 10% chance of dying after all that train, everything. Yeah.

To try to climb Mount Everest. One at a 10. I'm willing to bet, though, a good. A good percentage of that 10% of the people that think they could just go climb it. They had such a problem at one point where everybody, it was like too many people were doing it once, where they all got stopped. Like it was like a traffic stop because like there was too many bodies that were up there that they hadn't brought down yet. And so it was like blocking the path.

Oh my God. Yeah. Isn't it common that on an Everest climb that someone will see a dead body on the way? Isn't that? That's why I've heard. Yeah. One guy recorded while he was doing it, a dead body. body was just sliding down the mountain.

He's just recording it. Oh my God. What do you do? So we got wingsuit. We got hiking. Base jumping. Mountaineering. What's number four?

I wouldn't have guessed number four. Are any of these, okay, almost all of these are pointing to like the extreme outdoor. That's right. That's right. So they're all like stuntmen or like climbing trees or sawing shit. Something weird of something. Oh no. The oil riggers.

Like those guys. Well, that's not a sport. That's a job. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's a crazy. That'd be a crazy sport. What are you for fun?

You don't get paid? What was wrong to? It's fun. Big wave surfing, number four. Oh, wow. Big wave surfing. Wow. I know, right?

Isn't that crazy? And then number five is heliskiing. This is where they helicopter you in. See, now. And then you ski down up. I'd like to see. These are all dying in the sport. Yes.

So, which is different than bodybuilding, like, because of the sport, right? So I'm, like, the aftermath of it. Yeah, I'd be more interested in, like, traditional sports where they rank, Well, I bet. Because those are all, everyone you named, the reason why they're so high is because they die doing the thing. You know what's... Not a lot of people die doing football or die doing these other sports,

but because of the abuse on their body, they have a short... Well, what's crazy about this is as I'm reading this. Yes, it is common to see bodies on Everest. I knew that was true. So as I'm reading this and thinking this morning, as I'm going through this, I'm thinking of myself. Over 200 bodies are estimated to remain

on the mountain? Yeah, they just keep them there. I swear, there's like a traffic jam for them to get up. Yeah, they can't get them. Whoa. How eerie would that be to be on a climb and having to step over a dead body? Oh, sorry.

That's not cool. All right, so, you know, here what I'm going to say. So as I'm going through this, I'm thinking of myself, like, you know, the average person will see a pro bodybuilder and they would think, oh, God, look what you're doing yourself, you're putting yourself at high risk. Whereas a base jumper, mountaineer, big wave surfer, wouldn't you have that same stigma?

Even though it's far more dangerous. Like, you meet a big wave surfer? Yeah, I don't know if I did that. I think if my child decided to take up base jumping, I'd probably encourage bodybuilding. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, bro. Those are so extreme.

That's why it's not a great example because- I don't know big wave surfing was so dangerous. Think about it. Those big waves slamming you into the ground, the shore. Skitting out. Yeah, big wave surfing is different than surfing. Surfing is one thing. You have jet skis to pull you out.

There's no way. I wouldn't do it. No way. All right, I'm going to go back. We talked about the pump earlier. Do you know what creates a crazy boost in nitric oxide for the pump? Red light therapy. Massive.

No. Massive. A lot? A lot, dude. So now we have our pre-workout water juice. Bro. That I never did. So I never thought.

I have yet to do this. So I would love to red light a body part of my workout and then go hit it. Did you notice, though? Because you use it perinative consistent. Don't you notice you get a little bit, you feel a little bit of a pump afterwards? Well, I just feel, I just feel, it's a trip. After recovery.

Yeah, like after I was done. It's normally after showers for me. So it's like a nice, I feel like I've sat in a tanning bed. It's so weird. It is. It feels like I got a little bit tanner. I have a little bit more energy. I think the nitric oxide of the skin, too, comes out a little bit.

So you get a nice color. You know, done out of it. Did you know that studies will show 20 to 40% faster glycogen replenishment? 20 to 40% faster. percent faster. So imagine you're an athlete. Let's say you're a cyclist and you're training twice a day because it's like intense. And you know one of the challenges of training multiple times a day is the second workout.

You need to get replenished so you can perform again. Imagine now you're eating. You're doing all the stuff you're supposed to eating your carbohydrates, but you red light your quads. So imagine 40% faster. Imagine stacking, creatine, cold plunge, and red light right all before workout. Oh, yeah, dude. Oh, yeah. You're zipping.

Oh, yeah. I would like to do it. So you're doing it today. You're working out today? I'm not doing all that stuff right now. No, no, no. My workouts today are very pathetic. No, I'm not.

I'm probably not going to, well, actually, I might do some real easy stuff with that. I didn't get good sleep last night. Okay. Well, I was going to say, terrible sleep. What if you did this? What if you just, just want to point that out. I just want to point that out. I knew it wouldn't be as good.

Oh, it was terrible. It went from my first good night's sleep back fucking five days. Thanks, selling. We're going. Just trying to help. We're going to bring it up. So,

I've been waiting to tell him that shit. Over here, over here, all grouchy. Hey, want to go with the details? What was the advice? You want to give the details about that?

What is the advice? No, we don't need to go into this. I'm curious. Trust me, it was, it was better. It was better than what he was.

It was better for health, but it was terrible for my sleep. Yeah. Because I, I'm on a whole stack of things to try and get myself to sleep right now. And I'm, and that's,

the next hill to climb for me is slowly coming off the melatonin and all the other things that I'm stacking to put myself to sleep. And so he was trying to be, he was trying to give me good healthy advice. My wife looked at me and be like, are you sure you got your first night of sleep? You sure you wanted all of a sudden start doing that already? Like, well, you know, Sal brings up a good point. And so, and then, yeah, I paid for it. Terrible. All right. What I was going to say is today, if you work out your arms, what if you red lighted one arm and then work both arms out and see if you notice a difference.

Well, so. The strange. Who did that? Was it? No. Was it, what's it? What's his face? Orange Glass guy of Rick.

Dave Asprey. Dave, thank you. Orange Glass. I knew exactly. I knew Doug Dube right away too. That whole sunny guy. Yeah, yeah. I think he's the one who did the, the one for recovery,

one leg and not the other. Did he? I think it was him. I don't remember, but measured a huge difference in the recovery side. So, you mean, it would be interesting to see the, reverse of that. I haven't heard anyone do the reverse to get a pump on. I wonder if red light therapy before sex would be a good idea for men who need help with erectiles. Seriously, that's a nitric oxide issue. And you can red light yourself there. In fact, it boosts testosterone because when you get the red light on the testical.

It does raise testosterone. That's the studies will show that. Well, that's when we use it. Oh, it's right after shower. First thing before before go to bed. Yeah, before. Yeah, so both her and I. Oh, no. You guys are having sex. No wonder. That boy, Jew would love that commercial or other. Like, improve your sex life by tenfold.

I want to try that move. Yeah. I mean, we don't do it for that intent. It's just that's how it works out. Like, we put Max down. I typically get in the shower first. I read light afterwards. She's in the shower.

By the time she gets out of the shower, I just leave it on. She goes right. And then it's like, that's kind of our routine. Roxanne, you know. You put on your red light in the gym. You guys want to hear some cat and dog, an interesting cat and dog, Fact. You guys are dog fans, right?

Oh, yes. People fall into one or two categories, right? Typically. Either a cat or a dog person. I put up as cats, but no. Yeah, dogs. Dogs win. There is a big difference, everybody.

Pets are great, but come on, like, cats? They're not going to do anything. You're fitting half of an audience. I know, but they're not. They don't care about you. Yeah, I know. They just don't. Anyway.

Some people like that. They're fluffy when they're hungry. Maybe. But check this out. Way less maintenance. this out. That is true. Studies show dog ownership reduces the risk of dementia by 40%. Cats? No difference. Boom. No difference. Because cats don't give a shit about you. That's what. I think you just, yeah,

get the same love. Well, there's a, there's a way more of a, I know. There's a lot more interaction. Like, a lot more you have to kind of, you got to go walk with them. You got to do a lot with them. There's a lot more social interaction. Yeah. I mean, I know it's terrible when everybody freaks out, but I can do this because I have a kid now. But a dog is more like having a kid than a kid. cat is like having a kid. Oh, that makes sense. Totally, right? I mean, that's a fair comparison. You put way more energy into it. Well, yeah, and you could literally, you can leave

for a week from your house and your cat is fine. As long as it can go to the bathroom and it can... You go to work sometimes and come back into dogs. They go out and murder and, you know, if we've missed like a feeding or whatever, just go murder something and eat it. I mean, I think that's one of the appealing parts that why people like cats, though, is because of that, because it's a it's in a companion kind of that's around the house.

And there's different breeds, right? Remember, I told you guys when I had my crazy rag doll that I had shit from New York when I had a cat. And it was like, had kind of dog-like personality. So it would hang around me and it would sit on my lap. You would have a cat shit from New York. Yeah. I mean, they've ruined my like working out experience. So I'll be honest.

Because I got them downstairs like in the garage and, you know, that's where all my workout equipment is. And, you know, late at night. they'll bring in something and eat it. And then there's like entrails. They never eat like the colon. And it's always like a colon, like right there on my, I have to like mop it up. And it's just, you know, and it's, and I want to encourage it because there's like vermin that they're destroying.

And it's awesome. But it's like, ugh. That's the part that I can, like, Katrina's not a cat person. I'm not really either. But I would consider for our houses for that because we have been backed up to the like the forest like that. we get all kinds of snakes. It's inevitable.

Yeah. So just to have, just to have. You know what we have that we have to, we battle right now, which is really interesting, I think it's the raccoons that do it, that they, poop in the pool? No, no, that would be weird. They do that. They, raccoons poop in the pool? No.

During this season right now is, they dig up all the grubs on my lawn. So they leave holes? Yeah. So it looks like, it took me forever to figure out what that was. That's raccoons? Yes. I get that sometimes. Yes, they're digging for the grubs underneath the grass.

Yeah, I told you about the scotch because that one tripped me out where they actually dig up like yellow jacket nests and they eat them. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's kind of cool, though. And I don't like him normally, but that was sick. But this sucks, though. The only way I found out was because I just thought it was like something was messing up with my lawn.

I'm like, man, why is my loafers or something? Yeah, or gofers. And I'm like, Katrina and I do like a walk through our day around time. I'm like, oh, look, they have the same problem on their lawn. And that's weird. How are we all having the same issue? That's kind of random. Talk to our ex-owner who used to own.

He's like, oh, yeah, no, you got it during the season this time, you got to put this like, like, repelant stuff on there and it'll keep them from you. Have you guys seen some of the wild pigs up in the hills? Yeah. Oh, dude. We were driving home. My in-laws, yeah. Bro, we were driving from a friend of our house who live, like, yeah, kind of somewhat deep in the cuts here. But, you know, nothing crazy because it's not too many here.

But we were driving home. They're like, watch out for the pigs. I'm like, no, seriously, if you hit it, it'll make you. It's impressive, dude. Bro, it was huge. Just like this big. Yeah. I'm like, oh my God.

They're honorary and they destroy stuff. They're like, werewolves once they, like, you know, are out in the wild. And, you know, when they're domesticated, they're all pink and, you know, that's why text is you shoot it with a machine gun out of a helicopter. Like, just everywhere. Yeah. Dude. They're crazy.

They're wild. They're mean. I got, I got some more, some more studies for you guys. I looked up, we're, today's sponsored by Rock Recovery. So it's a rehab facility that. If you go on a link, they're giving away scholarship, excuse me. But I looked up data. Do you know what the odds of success are going in a inpatient recovery facility?

And success is measured by like five-year, 10-year relapse. Do you know how much better your odds are when you go in a facility versus try to do it on your own? Oh, wow. No. You triple your triple, triple the potential that you're going to stay off. I thought it was still really low. It's like 50%. Oh.

versus like 10. Wow, I didn't realize it. I actually thought it was still. As an average of like all of them. I thought it was actually still really low. I know that it's definitely one of the, remember that documentary body, body counters or body brokers. Yeah.

Body brokers. Thank you. I thought they covered that stat in there of like how unsuccessful a lot of them are. Now a lot of them, that's why I think obviously what drew us to Tom and Ben and our relationship with, Obviously, we had no idea that would turn into some sort of a partnership. We became friends first. They'd been huge fans of the show forever.

We got to know them. And it was them who, like, made us privy to, like, what they're trying to do in that space is trying to disrupt the traditional way, which is it's a really... So here's something that's interesting, too. So working with someone like them will double to triple your odds. over time, an addict has a 75% chance of succeeding, which I didn't realize. I thought that addicts just, the rate of relapse is just like,

oh my God, you just forget about it. That's actually a lie. It's actually a lie. Most people that struggle with addiction eventually will succeed, especially when they go to therapy. And that'll just triple your odds. That's encouraging. Yeah.

So, you know, if you're struggling, like, just get some help, dude. It'll make a huge, huge difference with your, you know, with your odds. Anyway, you guys want to hear something terrible? Really terrible? Did you guys hear? Have you guys heard about what there? So there was this, there was this reporter that was, that is reporting because she's been interviewing these people that are talking about things that happened in the early 90s in

Sarajevo that are just wild. So there were human safaris. What? So Sarajevo was like a war zone. Human safaris? Yes. So let me explain. So Sarajevo was like a war zone at this time.

Okay. So it was like all kinds of chaos going on or whatever. And there were wealthy people that would pay these military, you know, people, mercenaries or whatever, that would be able to go over there. And for money, they would go and they would shoot people. What? They would shoot people? They would shoot people.

Where they would, civilians. That's sick. Civilians. And they would pay, it says here in chilling detail, this is a case that war tourists from Europe, Canada and Russia and in U.S. would spend between 70,000 to 88,000 pounds back then to take part in a manhunt. And they would even pay extra to, this is terrible to shoot kids. I mean, this goes in with like a lot of the stuff I've heard about some of these like,

like Rothschild kind of families where they had, you know, people over and parties and they would like run them in the forest and hunt them down. Like stuff like that you hear is like folklore. No, this was, it's crazy when you hear something like that.

And I remember the movie The Game? Yes. Yeah, the game. And you just think of that something's so absurd and crazy. It's like some of that's probably birth from true stories. Like that stuff like that really used to happen. Or that was the one where they would go get,

they would go get homeless people. and they would strap money belts around them. And it had, I don't remember if it was like $100,000 or something like that in the money belt. And it's like, you get to keep the money if you survive. So dehumanizing. It's terrible. And it was then you went. I can't, but it's just so evil.

People question whether or not evil exists. Like, come on, man. Do you, since you went to. The Russian oligarchs, didn't they, they signed up for like fighting those pirates off the coast. Well, that was where you could pay money to shoot pirates. But that's not as bad because they're pirates. Although that's still, they're criminal. You're still a psycho.

You're like sign up to go kill people. And they're like, well, you're justifying because it's a pirate, they're bad people. Okay. These were civilians. These were like, you would go up in the mountains and they'd give you sniper gear. This is what the article said.

And you would snipe civilians and you'd pay money. That's crazy. To be able to do that. You know, there's something there. Since you went this way and Doug loves when we talk about politics. Uh-oh. Do you think, it feels this way to me, but I could be off base because I'm not as deep as you are.

and all this stuff. It feels like we're starting to wake up to the left and right bullshit. Do you feel like that? It feels to me that it feels to me I'm seeing even like, because I obviously I follow a lot of a union party.

Yeah, I own, I lean more towards conservative values, right? So more of the stuff, I know I watch both. I watch more that. And I'm starting to see even like Patriot type pages and conservative type people calling out a lot of the bullshit on on the right even it does seem like there's i care so much less about this than i used to but when i see it now it still seems like the same game so what i mean by that is um well it's the same they're doing the same thing i think now there's so many more phones

and eyes and information that can travel so quickly that like there's people like if you're looking for being privy to what's happening you can find it i'll put it this way. There are people who have a lot of influence and power that many of us don't even know who they are, that they have a lot of money in power and influence, and they see the trends

and they can grab a hold of it doesn't matter where the trend goes. They'll manipulate that trend. And so what you had was this huge swing to the right. And so what it appears to me is that they're just manipulating that now. Like they did

when they did the left. Like they did the left. Like they did. when Bush was president, when it was conservative, and a lot of that was insane. All of it leads to just more... Yeah, so my point is, the game is not changed. The game is the same, but it feels to me

like we're waking up more to it. It feels like more people, and I actually think a lot of the Epstein file stuff is what's doing it. Because a lot of what Trump kind of ran on and even maybe somebody that's on the middle,

would consider themselves moderate, was like, hey, he's going to go, he's pulling for us to get, so we could pull the, the curtain back. And now all of a sudden, he's playing the game of not pulling it back. And now again, they're talking about how it's going to come out again. And what it seems, it's almost obvious to me. And I would think that a lot of people are smart enough to read between the lines is that if we ever get to see this list, it will be so redacted. And anybody who's really pulling any strings will be the people. They'll probably have a couple of, there'll be a couple of people that get, what do you go, sacrificed, that we'll go, oh my God, he or her or whatever.

The speaker, Mike Johnson's already said that, like, there's parts of it that may be classified still. And so that can't be released. And so there's already this qualifier that's, like, sent out, like, yeah, so we'll get the unclassified version of it, which, what is that? Like, everything's blacked out, but, like, two sentences, you know? You remember the stunt they pulled where they had all those, like, conservative influencers come out and they all had the buy-

release it. And they all taking pictures. We got it. You're going to see it all black. How dumb do they feel? There's a bunch of type types of stuff with blacked out. I mean, so, but I mean, they're doing it. They've gone so hard.

And to Justin's point, there's so many phones out there. And there's so many people that are going down the rabbit holes and connecting dots. And it's like, it feels to me that more and more people are realizing that both sides of the aisle are actually on the same team. And it's us versus them. It's not left versus right. But there's two sides of that, right? It's a double-edged sword. More phones, more information, more opportunities to manipulate.

And by the way, everybody, if we ever get to the point where we trust nothing, which is where we're getting, that doesn't mean we woke up. What that means now is we trust nothing. And what people will demand is an arbitrator of truth. Because we can't live in a world where we trust nothing. We need somebody or something. What is real? What is honest?

That's AI. And we're going to want... No, no, no. We need someone to, like, certify that this is real. And who's going to do that? Government. So... Where are you guys on the dead internet thing?

Where do you stand? Oh, I brought that a long time. I think it's definitely taken over. There's not going to be a lot of real information. I just... I think it's going to happen so much faster than everybody thinks. Listen, sure. I'll tell you guys what.

Forrest Frank just did a clip. So he's a popular Christian artist, but also just popular across the board. and he just talked about how the top two Christian songs right now are AI. That's crazy. The number one and number two songs in America in Christian music are AI. Now, he gets on there and he says. Now wrapped your brain around, Justin's been calling AI as the anticsisans right since day one. And it's like, well, you know what he said?

He said, it's not inspired by the Holy Spirit and he's talking about it. And some people are like, yeah, you just want to sell records. I mean, I think AI is interesting. We're what we're doing at best, here's what we're doing. at best we are creating an image of ourselves and who are we broken messed up things

your average person that's at best but it's gonna be worse than that your average person's using it like a genie like it knows all like it doesn't lie it doesn't like half hallucinations it doesn't like and that's already been proven half yeah you understand that

it makes up half of the content yep the spirit that that drove the arms race with nuclear weapons, which if you look back, why do we do that? Oh my God, we have enough nukes to destroy the earth seven times and over. The spirit that drove that,

which is the other guy's doing it, I got to do it. It's the same spirit that's driving, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And everybody knows. Meaning is, meaning that we have to do it because if we don't, they will. But it's a bad thing.

So let's do it. Right, right. But it doesn't matter. We need to have know as much and have as much control of the bad thing before the other guy has that much control because then he can use it against us.

But it's going to kill us. It's totally going to kill us. But we got to do it anyway. We got to do it. Is there an optimistic view for you out? Yeah. Yeah, dude. But now I'm a Christian now.

So my optimism is based on that, dude. It ain't based on humans. It ain't based on what we're going to do. Humans, yeah. That's flawed to begin with. I mean, you're deep in the reading right now. Like, how many times in history have we had major revivals? Oh, there's been some modern ones that have happened.

Yeah, that was like in the 70s and 80s, 7080s. Yeah. Yeah, you had quite a few. There's a big one happening right now. But it's supposed to get a lot worse before things get better. That's typically what it takes. Look, if I take out my faith and I just look at this like as a secular individualist, if I go back two years before I believe me and, you know, I had my faith, I would look at this and go, yeah, this.

I don't, I don't think we're going to make it out of this one. I look at it as the rise and fall of empires. Like, it's cyclical. It's very like, we just never had the means to cost so much damage. Jesus, please don't say like Roman Empire follow. Yeah, of course. Like, why would, like, that's the thing. I mean, it's just possibility.

Like, why wouldn't it be? It's happened throughout history. And I feel like we, the only thing we can reference is actual historic events. And so, you know, like, empires, they get to a certain saturation point where they're too powerful. They got too, whatever the technology is at the time, they, you know, get to a certain degree. And then it's, it's just, I don't know if it's an overconfidence or it's a lack of, like, spiritual. understanding or like any kind of like tampered like like morality there where it just like goes to spread itself too thin it implodes let me just point out to the silliness of this okay so this is

a grant this is now given that we can create artificial general intelligence because some people will still debate that i think it'll happen in the way that the in the ways that we can do it right so we're going to create this our goal is to create an all powerful artificially generally intelligent computer system that we completely control, that will do what we want. You know how silly that sounds? That's like an aunt being like, I'm going to control Adam. You didn't even know how. So it's just stupid.

It's the dumbest thing I've heard of my life. That's the best case in there. I love what we think we're doing. It's just going to be benevolent. Yeah, it'll do what we want. And then what's the second option. It's going to love us. It'll be smarter and more powerful than us than we can ever imagine, but it'll be so benevolent.

We're not even benevolent. No, we're not. We're based on human nature, which is like, who built it? Yeah. So it's a reflection. It's less magnified, you know, to a level we haven't seen. So do you not, do not see as we go down this rabbit hole, uh, it that people waking up to that and going like, oh shit. Like this is, I mean, this is.

You know when people are going to wake up, dude? Huh. Was it too late? I don't know. I mean, I think this is, so this is why I keep going back to the the plugged and unplugged theory. is that I think it'll get worse before it gets better. Yeah. I think it'll take, you know, I think there's a, I have a lot of close people in my own circle that are just, are just naive to all of it.

You know what I'm saying? And then I have like full on adopters. And then I have full on like, so I have all of it in within my circle. I think the it's, it'll take, it'll take enough like really bad things to happen for the naive people to go like, oh shit, this is crazy. And then it'll force them to kind of choose. Do they go all in on the people that are like, no? It's better for us. In people will allow like the unplugged to have their own space in society or they want to control and manipulate them.

Of course. You have to pay a fee. Here's. That's only my concern. I have, I have, I personally have faith in the unplugged people because I think a lot of those people will be the people that will be heavily armed and a lot of land and a lot of like, so good luck trying to go get those guys. I don't think they're going to be. Yeah. I don't think so.

Well, as far as what Justin's saying is leave alone. Like, I don't see the AI full, AI full adopt people trying, trying to oppress. Now, whatever you believe with how crazy AI gets and control it gets, the people who are adopting it fully, I don't think they're like, oh, let's go oppress those people because good luck, because I think those would be the wrong people to try and oppress. Those will be the most, probably in my opinion, those will be the people.

Your last fighting group. Yeah, exactly. Like, those are, the, let's think about the person who's all bought into AI and the person who's likely not to, like, can you just, individual. Yeah, but they won't let you go anywhere. So you're going to have this limited space to move. And I don't know, I guess my concern with that is like it's so much easier because if you just play this out in terms of like how like government likes to act and like what they like to dictate, it's like we love, we would love to dictate whether or not you could travel,

whether or not you could buy certain things, whether or not you can go into this area or not. And it's like, you know, that magnified. And here we'll give you everything you want. You just do what we tell you. We'll give everything. I guess that's my concern. You're going to feel so good. You're going to have all the great feelings and crazy weird stuff. And here, just plug in.

Don't worry about it. We'll give you everything. You don't need to do anything. How many people are going to turn that down? Not too many. So we're going to need some plugged in people on our side. Yeah. Helping us.

You know what's wild about this? Probably going to happen in our lifetime. Oh, probably? Yeah. Come on. I, dude. I really don't want to be. be doing this podcast on

AM radio in a basement you know what I mean a bunker we're gonna have a ship we're talking about all right guys this is pirate radio

yeah this is the rebellion you know yeah everybody I'll definitely be starting that one I'll see you guys in the Goulogs I mean hopefully

we've we've we've grown big enough that we have a good enough group of people that got some land and got some bunkers that we can come crash out at I think it's at sure

start making some friends yeah so because I know we haven't built that for ourselves and you make me wants it. I don't think we realize how fast it's coming. With Moore's Law

and... In five years, it's going to be weird. Five years. Moore's Law has been crazy the last 20 years. Pre-A.I. Okay, pre-the, like, I shared that stat the other day, like, what printing press did as far as how much double the information, then when television

doubled, like, it's crazy. It's like, we are doubling the information at, like, an infinite amount faster than And we were just a decade ago. Like, so when your brain is still stuck in the past 40 years of your life of, oh, yeah, this invention comes and that invention comes. It takes about this long.

We're at the point where it's going to be like every day. We're already at the point where it's making better music than people. That's art. It's already making better music. We're here right now. A 3D printing revolution hasn't really begun yet. Oh, I think that's going to be the next, like, really crazy. Oh, AI is going to print you what you want.

I need a drug that'll give me this, that, and the other. That's going to be weird. Oh, yeah. Well, that's going to be interesting because so much of our GDP is based on consumerism. Right. And that's a big part of what props up this crazy, you know, 30 trillion, whatever trillion dollars that we're in debt or whatever is that GDP always continues to grow. And so we justify this crazy debt that we have. But when all sudden, 3D printers can print a lot of anything and everything that you want and you don't need.

You know what's even crazier, guys? even if we did the, even if we achieve the utopia that some people think where we have everything we want and the AI serves us and does everything we want, that will be hell for most people. No purpose, no meaning. That's why you're, what's your black and white show you share? I love that. I love that story. It's the best story. Twilight Zone. That's the best story ever. It's so good. It's such a great, a great story because it's so true. You think, and, you know, I guess, Most people that have reached that level that they thought maybe when they were a kid

or that thing that that drove them really young, that have, know that. Whether that was writing the number one bestseller people we've talked to, was that the guy who said once I got to $100 million that we know. Like there's everybody that we know that has set some crazy, lofty goal that they have, that has driven them their whole life to achieve when they get there. it's unhappy. That's right. So it's, of course, of course.

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Back to the show. First question is from 4 Firefly. How to scale back on cardio when you've done intense endurance for 15 years? Really easy. Do less. Yeah, you just stop. No, honestly.

So if your goal is to maintain a certain level of endurance or you've got a competition, then this becomes a little bit more of a measured approach. But if you're like, look, I've got to back off and focus on strength training, the faster you cut this out and start strength training, the faster the results will happen. Yeah.

So you literally stop. I think the fear here, I mean, if I'm going to guess, the fear here is if I cut back on all this cardio, I gain all this crazy body fat. In which case, no, I've had clients like this, and I've had them go way down, do a little bit of strength training, not increase their calories yet, we'll wait until a little later,

and then just suddenly build strength. I mean, the other fear is the psychological addiction to it, too. Good point. So that's why this is a little bit hard to answer without, like, talking live on air with this person to kind of feel out, who are you, right? Are you the, like, so addicted to running that you, you know, you run your, how many, 20 miles a week or more,

whatever it is every week, and you've been doing it for 15 years, and you're psychologically addicted to that. And so you're asking, us telling you to rip the Band-Aid off and just stop would be like, ah, right. So, but you're right, the faster you do it, the more. So sometimes with someone like,

if that's this person, I'm just speculating now, a lot of times I'll allow them to do the same amount of time. It just, it changes to walking. It's like what the, when you would go out for that hour run or however many mile run,

like go ahead, but now I want you to put a podcast in and walk. You still want to fill that space. Right. Or strength trained and walk for the same amount of time that you would go run for. or replace that with strength training and walking. And that'll serve you pretty well.

So if you're someone who was like an everyday person, like a great program for you, would be like, Matt's 15 with a long walk would do you really well. And still give you that like, I'm moving still, getting a lot of stabs. I'm not like completely like moving away from the,

you know, that's kind of way. I think, yeah, a lot of it's a discipline of it. And I think that, yeah, people, people who've done something like that for that long,

like it's ritual at that point. And so it's like losing your ritual. and like you think it's a healthy practice. Like, so you can, you can transfer that, I think, and do that in a way where you give your body a little more rest. Yeah, I had a client like this. Now, I was their trainer, so I was able to coach them through the process.

But I had a client like this who kind of hit a wall. And we cut it down. I don't remember exactly what it was. It was something like 25 miles a week, and I brought it down to two a week. Like really, really cut it down immediately. Did a couple days a week of strength training. and immediately saw strength gains.

It's like her body was waiting. Just hanging on for it. And she just started building muscle and feeling amazing. But I was there to coach her through the process. So what you're saying is such an important note, too, because here's where that won't happen to you is if you're doing 20 miles and you come back to 15 miles and you introduce strength training and you're hoping you're going to see a bunch of gains,

15 miles is still a lot. So in order to get the results to have that kind of profound results that you're talking about, you really got to really make a major shift from being an endurance athlete to a strength athlete and go all in on the strength athlete. And then hopefully those strength gains and that muscle you build is motivation enough

to be like, oh, I can't let go with this addiction to running. But if you ease off of it, I mean, it's a lot like addicted to anything else, right? It's going to take a lot longer for you to see the results. Or if you cut down all your running and then decide to fill it

with hours of lifting. And you're just doing tons tons of weights one and overtraining there. It's a different, it's a totally different approach. Next question is from Laura Hawking. How can we train our central nervous system to keep up a little better? And is there anything that can be done immediately after realizing we went a little too hard? So in parentheses there, it says feel like napping mid-lift lately.

So you're just overdoing it. Yeah. The first thing you would reduce with your workouts is the intensity. The second thing is the volume. and the last thing is the frequency of your workout. So intensity is how hard, volume is the total amount of, let's say, sets that you're doing, and then the frequency is how often you're lifting weights. But you got to cut it down. Cut it down immediately.

And make it a drastic cut initially because you could always work up a little bit. But, you know, cut everything way down. Cut in half at least. Yes. And see how you feel. And is there anything you could do immediately after realizing you went a little too far? Yeah, or too hard. You take a day off or a couple days off.

Nothing would replace rest. There's really no trick, no hack. Yeah. No biohack, no massage or therapy or anything that replaces just good old-fashioned rest. The time length that you need, just separation. You need to heal. The other thing I'm investigating is sleep and caffeine usage. Yeah.

Because this tends to happen too with a chronic undersleeper and caffeine user. So if you're somebody who chronically undersleeps and you replace that with a bunch of of energy drinks and pre-workouts to try and make up for it. I tend to notice an adverse effect when I reach a certain point of caffeine. Yep. Yeah, I get the crashes. Yeah, I get the crashes. Like, if I'll go to my workout, I'm like yawning.

Or I'm just like, oh, my God. It's like, oh, my caffeine's way too high. My sleep's not right. What's that? We have a guide, right? It's a recovery rescue guide. Recovery rescue, yeah. And that's at mindpumpfrey.com.

Mindpumpfrey.com. Yeah, check it out. And that's a week of, like, accelerated recovery. So it's a free guide. And it breaks down what you do every single day for. for an entire week to get your body back on track. Next question is from functional health, Jen. How do I know if I'm actually getting stronger

or if it's just my central nervous system adapting, especially if I've been training for 10 or more years? It's the same thing. Yeah, it's part of it. Maybe the question is if I'm actually building muscle or if it's just my sense. So when you're moving away, let's say, yes, you have these muscles that are contracting

that are like the machine that is, operating, but you also have a central nervous system that fires those muscles and can fire them with more force and fire them in better coordination and synchronicity. And so they're both involved in building strength. Bigger muscles contract harder, but the central nervous system plays such a massive role. In fact, I'd say the central nervous and probably pays a larger role in strength. But they're both, you're stronger, you're stronger. That's just the fact. It doesn't really matter. If you're asking about muscle, the strongest correlate to muscle growth is strength. So if you're getting stronger, even if it is just your central nervous system

adapting, if you keep moving down that path, that almost always results in larger muscle fibers. And if you're actually testing and noticing that you're not building your muscle, yet you still, you follow, that's a nutrition thing. Yeah. So there is a possibility, and we see this where you do see somebody's central nervous system adapting, getting better a movement because they're practicing it more frequently. And so they see the benefits of the strength growing up. But then for some reason, when they go test their body fat test, they're not building any more muscle. And then that's a direct connection to not enough nutrition. You're just not feeding the body enough to grow and build muscle. And so that's just a calorie deficit.

And you need to increase calories a little bit. Next question is from Fit Life with Chen. How do you feel about posture correctors? My son has really bad forward shoulders and he has been doing some exercises to correct it, but he brought up this posture corrector, and I'm curious on your guy's thoughts. So maybe you can Google. I already know it. I know it. I think it's like straps.

They're like straps. They're like shoulders back. Yeah, it's terrible. What he's doing with the exercises is excellent. That's perfect. You do not want a tool that he wears that puts him in correct posture because he will then become dependent on that. It's the same argument that we make for why weight belts for the average user is not ideal,

because then you become dependent on the tool. for the good posture for you and able to do that. So you want him to train the muscles to get, to hold himself into posture. If he relies on a strap that pulls his shoulder blades back and his posture upright, then he becomes dependent on that. And he weakens those muscles that are responsible for doing it.

Yeah. So in other words, so you wear one of these. So yes, that's what we thought, right? So if you wear one of these, it holds you into what appear to be a good posture. but the very muscles that that you need to strengthen are now being relied upon even less. Yes.

Because you're now relying on this straps. It will exacerbate the problem. It'll actually accelerate the weakening of the muscles that have an issue. You'll actually make his posture far worse to the point where it'll become painful for him to not wear the posture correctors and he'll develop really bad issues.

So if this is like a fast track to atrophy, right, to muscle weakness. So posture correctors, never, almost never a good idea. The move would be for him to do more of, more of the corrective exercises. Yes. So if it sounds like he's already doing some of the, so this is where you hear us talk about the importance of frequency in priming and mobility moves that we talk about over just like intense

workouts. So if what he's doing right now is he goes to the gym, say three or five times a week and that he spends 10 minutes or 15 minutes each time he goes to gym doing these corrective posture movements. But then all day long he sits on his phone or at a desk or a computer. then it's going to be hard to make a lot of progress with only doing it that infrequent. He needs to be doing it every day, all day long,

every time he can think about it. So if he's doing moves, like say, prone cobra or something like that, he would benefit from doing that five times a day for two minutes more than he would, you know, three or four days a week for a 15-minute session. So the frequency of those posture-correcting moves is what will move him in the direction of better posture

faster, using a tool will actually exacerbate the situation. But again, like wearing something that is replacing the muscles that you, the very muscles you want to strengthen will only accelerate the weakening that's happening those muscles. Basically a cast. They should call them posture destroyers is what they should call these. They're absolutely terrible. Those won't sell as well.

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