Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2748: This 90-Day Method Beats Every Diet

Episode Date: December 12, 2025

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That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. All right, here's what we're going to do. We're going to give you the plan. We're going to give you it all laid out a plan for the ultimate 90-day fat loss challenge. That's right. We're going to give you the workout, diet strategy, everything you need. Here we go.

Let's break it down. So here's what I wanted to do. A little different. I'm going to just go through what the plan is. And then let's talk about why. Why it works? Why do it this way? And so my thought process was this.

What if Justin and I disagree? Well, that's going to get awkward. They'll get real awkward. No, I would love. Yeah, any changes or input. But, you know, people like specifics. They like 90-day this. And I know it goes against really our message of longevity.

And so, but that's kind of baked in here. What's baked into this is my goal is with this is to hopefully create some habits with people and show them some movement in a 90-day period. Now, I do want to say this, going into this, If you're overtrained and under-eating already, let's skip this. This is like if you're healthy. If you're healthy, here's what your plan is. If you're not healthy and you're overdoing it already.

My first question I have right out the gates for something like this without even seeing where you're going is there obviously is a kind of specific avatar that you're probably addressing. And I'm assuming that avatar is somebody who wants to lean out, but is already in a healthy metabolic place. That's right. And that's what this looks like. That's right. If you do not... I will say this, following this, if you're not in a healthy metabolic place, but you follow this, you'll get, you'll still be better off. Oh, okay.

Well, that's good. You'll be better off. And you'll build some muscle as well on the power. Okay. Okay. So body composition change is what you'll experience through this process. So, so I'll start with a workout. So what I do is I create two very basic workouts and you're going to alternate them every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, or whatever three.

days you want. A good day off in between is probably a good idea. Day one is squats, incline press, you're going to do some kind of a row, overhead presses, curls and press downs. So there's your exercise for day one. Do a few sets of each. Day two, or workout two, is deadlifts, some kind of a bench press, pull downs, rear flies, some reverse crunches or something for your core, and some calf raises. Those are the two general workouts you'll be alternating every other day or three days a week. Month one, you're going to be working in the low rep range around six to eight reps. Month two, the reps are a little higher, maybe around 12.

And month three, you can play around with about 15 rep range. So as you go through this program, your reps will go up, which means you're probably going to have to adjust the weight to be able to hit those reps. Diet-wise, this is all I'm going to tell you to do, aim for 30 to 50 grams of protein at least three times a day with the protein shake in there. If you're a man, you're going to be closer to 50. If you're a woman, you're closer to 30.

Eat that first. Then eat some well-cooked veggies and then have your carbohydrates, sticks to whole foods. That's your diet. And then here's what you do for the challenge. You're not going to weigh yourself. You're just going to do this.

On day one, take a picture of yourself in your underwear or in clothing that shows your body from the front side and back. and then take another picture 90 days out. So you're going to wait a full 90 days before you look in the mirror to really see. No way, no looking at mirrors, none of that. That's right, because that'll mess you up. Especially if you're coming from a bad metabolic place.

And 30 to 50 grams of protein is actually more than you're used to. You might freak yourself out with, you know, changes in the scale. So the only contention I might have. So you had incline press and you had bench press. Yeah. But we didn't have like a shoulder press. Uh, shoulder press was in the first one. Oh, what?

Overhead press, yeah. Oh, I didn't see it. So this sounds like, oh, there it is. Three guys who have this incredible MAPs Antabolic Program that changed so many lives, but you've taken it after 10 years and simplified it even more. Super simplified. Super-sufficient. Yeah.

Yeah. Is what you did was you eliminated some, some diversity in the exercises, stuck to the biggest bang for your buck movements. You simplified it to just literally two workouts that you're rotating. You also took out the, oh, you're rotating it every third week and you go just that whole month you do this, this whole month you do this, which makes that super easy. And then we actually give some diet advice, which we normally don't give diet advice inside most of the maps programs. There are some that have later on. And this is what we've learned from years of, you know, thousands of people going through math programs is, I wish you would just tell me something that was. And instead of being

like, well, that's impossible because we can't do that for everybody. What are the couple things I could tell somebody that will make... That will make... That will create incredible results across the board on everybody, regardless of where their metabolism is or not. And distilled it down to that. This is... Okay, so knowing this, and you have to be honest,

because it's asking me to change your baby, right? For your child. What you have learned from marketing and from the... the thousands and thousands of people that we've been, if you went back and rewrote MAPS and Abolec, would you have rewrote it like this? The thing I would have changed would have been the name. Well, that too.

Big time. We learned that. Yeah, I think the big time. I don't know if I would have changed a program because in the program you have video demos. We're not doing that here. The program's phenomenal. I'm saying what I'd, to reach the masses.

Here's my, and I bet Doug agrees with me here. Would you, would you, would this have better served us? If we had built something this simple, this direct, this valuable, as the flagship first product that we let out. Now, it's not taking anything away from how amazing maps and the ball is. There's a reason why it's the flagship product, why everybody sees incredible results all to follow it. But what you understand about the consumer today. Yeah, from a consumer standpoint, probably. Yes.

There's no shrugs here. I think some people will complain about that. I personally will. I mean, that's what this screams to me, no? Yeah, no, it's definitely a simpler program. In fact, as we're sitting here, I'm contemplating, I think I'm going to try this. Yeah, so here's what I want to say. I want to be very clear, right?

So nothing's going to give you results like having an individualized program. No maps program. What I'm saying here, definitely not. That being said, I can say this with full confidence. Probably 80% of the people watching and listening to this right now. So that's a vast majority. We get phenomenal results just from doing this. Yeah.

Which, which now you'll hear fitness influences say everybody. Now it's impossible. It doesn't work that way. There's a good 20% of you that need far more individualization. This will be inappropriate for it's not right, whatever. But a good majority, a big majority, 80%, I would bet, of the people watching and listen to it, if you just did what I said right here, in 90 days, you would see significant difference.

Now, the thing about this. I think you see pretty good. difference in just 30 days. 30 days following that. True to that. With like not the oops, weekends, all that and stuff like that. Like consistent? Like consistently for that in 30 days.

Oh, and 90 days you would see really good with this. Yeah, yeah. And now here, I'm going to tell you what the most important part of all this is. People are like, is it the diet, is the workout? No, the most important part is at the very end when I said you take a picture in the beginning and then you take a picture at the end. Yeah, yeah. Because what will mess you up with what I'm doing here is not trusting the

process, weighing yourself every single day, watching water fluctuation changes, questioning everything. I need to do more. I need to eat less. I might do whatever. And you really mess yourself up. Let me tell you, let me tell you what else you're accounting for.

Because some people have hard time wrapping the rate with. Wait, this makes no sense. How could you not give a calorie range? And it's like, if you follow this and you have accidentally some high days of calories where you go over a little bit. and then some days we go a little lower on calories, what will end up happening is you'll, at the end of this, you'll have built muscle and probably lost a little bit of body fat,

which will change. And what might also happen is the scale not move very much, but you'll look very different. That's right. And organically that will happen. If you follow that way, and you have the occasional high calorie day, but you stick to the high, hitting the protein,

you stick to the weight training, and you have some days where, oh, I probably didn't move enough, where I ate a little too much and oh, I put on a little bit, that's right, probably got allocated to build some muscle. Then you have other days where you're like right on top, you moved a lot, you burned, and then you were in a deficit. What ends up happening at the end of this is you see this beautiful exchange.

I'm going to say this. I just, I had this conversation last week with my daughter and my niece. I just had this conversation this morning with all my cousins. I had this conversation last night with my cousin. In the context of proper strength training, because that's important. Like you have good proper strength. In this program, the very basic

strength training program for most people will get you stronger and build muscle and do great. It'll be appropriate for most people. In other words, it'll be very effective. This is like your average gym member that used to come up to me and be like, yeah, you know, like I just want to know something basically to do. Like what can I do? You know, like right away it can get me some result. I don't really want to, you know, spend too much time thinking about it. Boom. That's right. So in the context of proper strength training. Okay. So imagine that context. if you ate 30 to 50 grams of protein three times a day. And if you're a woman, it's closer to 30.

If you're a man, it's closer to 50. Again, I'm generalizing, this is true for most people. After that, you ate well-cooked vegetables. And after that, you had your carbs. So you just, that's the order of your meal. And you ate until you were satisfied. And you stuck to whole natural foods. And you threw in one shake a day, 30 to 50 grams of protein shake a day.

Here's what happens in the context of proper strength. strength training. Your appetite will adjust naturally to allow you to build muscle and burn body fat. What happens is your body's natural appetite, your natural like, oh, I want to eat more, or I think I'm full, will start to follow this pattern of moving your body to a body composition change that is relatively fit and healthy. What does that mean? For most men, you'll probably going to be around, I don't know, probably around 14% body fat, give or take, for a woman around 22%, give or take, is where are you going to fall? Because your body, in the context of strength training properly and sticking to whole natural foods, like you go off whole foods,

you eat processed foods, it throws everything off because they're engineered to make you overeat. But if you stick the whole foods, you hit high protein, you eat the vegetables, like I said, if you do that, your appetite will naturally go up and down to help you build muscle and burn body fat. And you'll mess yourself up if you track every single day your weight. But if you do what I said with the picture, and by the way, make sure the picture is in the same place, same lighting, everything the same. So you have nice, consistent. Watch what happens to your body. And again, I was talking to my cousins this morning. I'm like, you guys, if you just did this, your body fat percentage will go where it needs to instead of trying to fight it all the time. So this is so great

that you went through. I literally had an hour, had traffic last night and got caught up with my cousin who I haven't talked to in a really long time, who's, she's a little bit older than I am and she's struggled with weight for most of her adult, especially after kids' life. And it feels like she's tried everything in her son.

And we had this long conversation. It literally was, this is the protocol. Yeah. Like literally. But what I will say that I spent the most of the conversation after we laid this out, and I explained to her,

like, this is all I want you to focus on, which is almost identical to what you laid out. her challenge, and I think this will be the greatest challenge for a lot of people, especially female clients, because my female clients tend to struggle with the protein more than men, even though men do too, is getting ahead on the grams of protein for breakfast. Yes. She couldn't wrap.

So she, and I said, all she was doing is having shakes and bars all the time. And she was just like, you know, I was talking to my trainer friend. She goes, ideally I should be eating home with this. That's good advice. You know, they're not bad for you. But why it's not good is that it's not realistic. You need to, what has happened is you have created behaviors around the morning time of either skipping or not eating high protein meals that we need to learn. So I'm asking her questions like, do you eat this?

Do you like this? She doesn't like Greek yogurt. She doesn't like cottage cheese. She can handle eggs, but not a big fan of it. And I'm like, well, are you, are you like adamant about like it has to like look like a breakfast food? or would you have ground beef and white rice for breakfast for 9 o'clock of the morning? She's like, oh, I would totally do that. I'm like, oh, great, this is perfect.

So then what I want you to do is when you cook that for dinner, I want you just to cook an extra serving and portion it out and put it in the refrigerator because also time was an issue too. She's like, I don't have a lot of time in the morning. I said, I'm not going to make you make something. So all I want you to do is just reheat that ground beef and rice. Now, if you want, because it's to make it feel more breakfasty, crack two eggs over it, throw it in the iron skillet,

and stir it all up, and now it feels more breakfast. to you. But if you're okay with it, that's how I eat a breakfast all the time. And now you're at 40, 50 grams of protein. First thing in the morning, it makes the rest of the day so much easier. It does. The other thing, too, I want to add at him is when you're not hitting it from whole foods versus trying to get a lot of it from bars and shakes. Bars and shakes, now they are high in protein, but they're still processed, meaning that they don't provide the same satiety effects as whole foods. They just don't, you know, 45 grams of protein from, flank steak or chicken or fish is going to give you that natural appetite signal that I just talked

about, whereas bars don't tend to do that as well. Now, I did say, I did tell people to add a 30 to 50 gram protein shake because it's hard, it is hard for a man to hit 180 grams of protein today. It's hard for a woman to hit 130 grams or 140 grams of protein a day. So I'm giving you that shake to make up the difference. But if you stick to whole foods with this, you guys. you're going to get leaner and build muscle. In other words, you don't have to track and worry about everything.

Now, I don't want to say like this is easy because it's actually quite difficult enough to avoid processed foods. That's difficult. And it's difficult. It's difficult. It's not easy. Yes, it's simple.

But if you just follow this for 90 days, you'll see what your body can do. And it's pretty amazing. And if it works and you love it, keep going. I want to talk more, though, about what I just said with the, shakes and bars because as I was saying it to her it's like I don't know if I've ever really communicated that before or that way to other clients or on this podcast and I think it's an

important point what I notice with with people around bars and shakes that it's a it's a behavior that's connected to only when I'm on my fitness kick meaning I know I hear a protein's important and I'm going to start working out so I'm going to start adding these shakes and bars in and then when they fall off, it just falls off. And then so does the protein intake. And what they never do is they never teach themselves new behaviors around food choices that are high in protein. Real food choices. And so it isn't just that, because I was explaining to it, it's like it's not like a shake is bad.

It's not bad. And it's not like if you add all the shakes and bars that equal the protein, you couldn't possibly get fit. We've done the, we've done the studies. We've seen it. I've tested it like it's possible. But what really we're also trying to do is we're trying to create new behaviors that you can do forever. And so if your brain right now, what breakfast has always looked like is either skipping it in coffee or it's a waffle or it's this cart. It's like, and you've never thought that you can have ground beef and rice for breakfast and you actually like it and you don't mind it.

It's like this becomes a new behavior that you don't mind doing. And now a great source of 40 to 50 grams of protein that you unlocked. It's so funny because breakfasts made up by General Mills. It was a, it's the most. And eggo waffle. It's bacon and all that. So there's two food categories that receive the most advertising and marketing. It's breakfast and snacks.

Yeah. So let's stick to breakfast. Breakfast is so heavily marketed that when I say high protein breakfast, everybody's like, well, I guess it's eggs. Yeah. Because you don't eat anything else for breakfast. Yeah. Otherwise, it's cereal or pancakes. No, food is food.

Food's food. Food is food. It's just we've been heavily marketed to think that breakfast has to look at particular one. Totally. Which makes it difficult. And it was so enlightening for me to hear her respond that way and go like, God, how many people think this way? It's like that we have been, that shows you how well we've been marketed to and we've been conditioned that these foods look like this. It's like, are you kidding me right now?

Do you think like if this was caveman times, like you go, oh, no, there's no, there's no eggs and bacon. It's like, oh, you're eating chicken maybe. You're eating ground, you're eating whatever you can get your hands on. And so. And then it's, I mean, I love it. And I like to because I do like the benefits of eggs. And it does make me feel it's even the, it's breakfasty by cracking two eggs over it. So if you feel like you need to do that, then that just boost the protein.

Eggs are beneficial. But it was such an unlock for her. And to me, why that's so important. Okay. Even if all things were equated with the shake, it's like the shake ends up falling off when the, when the, when the workout starts falling off. But that meal. that she now can learn to have is a good meal working out or not.

Like that's a new good behavior. And that's what I'm looking at when I'm looking at a client when I'm trying to teach them to not have all these shakes and bars. It's not because it's bad or you can't get your results away. It's like, no, it's like,

you're using that because you're on this health kick. I want to teach you ways of eating that are beneficial to you, whether you're lifting weights or not lifting weights and create those new behaviors, that becomes something consistent in your life. And just for people, if you haven't heard us talk about this before, why the protein? It builds muscle. It produces

satiety. It balances blood sugar. And it helps with fat loss. So two equal calorie diets, both in a deficit, the higher protein one produces more fat loss and preserve more muscles. That's why high protein is something that we often talk about, why we're recommending it here. Speaking of which, we talk about it so much. I've trained so many people and implemented these things with them. And I know how it works. But, you know, oftentimes you don't do it yourself for whatever reason, right? It's, you know, I typically eat high protein anyway.

But I wasn't consistently hitting 200 plus grams of protein every single day. I would say on average, I was always probably around 150 to 170, which is a lot, which is great. There's nothing wrong with that. That was great. But I'm at 200 and between 215 to 220. And if I were to take my own advice, I would be hitting about 220 grams of protein a day. So over the last four weeks, I said, you know what? I'm going to actually consciously hit 220 grams of protein a day, every single day.

I'm not going to change anything else. I'm not going to change my workouts. I'm not going to change my supplements. I'm not going to try to eat more, try to eat less. I'm just going to pay attention. And the way I've done it. Boom, you built muscle. Well, here's, obviously.

Here's what happened. But so here's the experience. I initially built some muscle. I would say probably about two or three pounds of lean body mass, which is a lot for me. I've been doing this forever. Two or three pounds. And now you can eat like a horse also. Well, what's now happened is as I gained the two or three pounds, my metabolic rate.

Flying. And I just got shredded. Yeah. It was that process. It was like I built a little bit. And here I am about five weeks in of doing this maybe four or five weeks. And I'm like, dude, I'm getting like, veins in my

like what is going on? And I'm like, oh, it's because I, it's the protein. It was just the protein. Yeah. And I did it mostly through food, but sometimes shakes. I'm just consistent. Like every day, every day. So I've been beating this drum for 10 years, man.

It's crazy. It's, it's, it's, and I feel so strongly about it because I'm so aware of it, and I discipline myself to do it, and I still fall short. So it's like, and I know if I'm doing that. If I don't chase it, I'll miss it. It's hard. 90% of people, there is, I know, someone listening right now, I'm going, oh, I'm fine. I never.

miss. It's like, okay, you're literally less than 10% of the population. Most people do not consistently do that, especially the upper limits. Thinking of their best day, though, too. They're thinking of their best day. They're also calculating what like the bare 0.8 grams or whatever, 0.6 to 0.8 grams, what they're the bare minimum with it. Not optimal. Optimal is all the way up to 1, 1.5. Like, that's a lot of protein.

If you weigh more than a buck 50, that's a lot of protein for the average person. and it takes, like, to be deliberate about every meal. Like, for me to go and hit 200 to 220 every day, I have to like literally look at the meal and go like, man, am I getting at least eight to 12 ounces of meat right here? Because if I'm not, I'm going to get behind here. And like every meal has to look at that. And then even then, if it's a lighter day where I'll only get three meals in,

I'm going to have to add a shake at the end of the day just to catch up. Well, I'm going to say this, look, just so people know. just so people understand how much 200 grams of protein is, that's two pounds of relatively lean red meat a day. A day. Every single day. And a big serving of meat is six to eight ounces. A big serving.

So think about that for a second. So when you sit down and have a steak for dinner or lunch, whatever, a big service. Restaurants serve you four ounces on most places. So like a good size serving is six to eight ounces of. In my experience, most of my female clients, when we started tracking, were consuming 60 grams of protein in a day. Men, 80, maybe, maybe, 90. Yeah.

So it makes a big difference. It makes a huge difference. And like I said earlier, it will naturally adjust your appetite. That's what's cool about this 90-day fat loss challenge is I'm not telling you to eat a certain amount of calories. I'm telling you a few things. Try it for yourself. Don't take pictures and study yourself in the mirror the whole time. Wait to the end of 90 days.

and see what happens. I think people will be pretty surprised. Speaking of fat loss, I looked up, because you guys know how the studies on probiotics are like so rad. They're so weird. They're weird because they affect things

that you wouldn't even... Perform inside of it. It's so bizarre to be. I did it. I looked up, I had AI give me a general analysis of all the studies

that are peer reviewed on fat loss for probiotics. What do the studies show when people just add a probiotic for fat loss. Because that was really what was interesting to me. It's interesting to me that all these studies are coming out showing that you can take a probiotic and it helps with fat loss.

Like what? What's going on here? On average in the studies, an average person adding a probiotic will lose between one to two kilograms of body fat over eight to 12 weeks. After 12 weeks, it tends to go up to three kilograms. So you're looking at three to six pounds of body fat from just taking. in a probiotic? That's wild.

They're not doing anything else. Do you think that's a fat burner? Yeah. That's the first fat burner supplement. Do you think this has always been always been the case that like this, this science was there? Or do you think that we have just destroyed our, our gut that bad? That that's what this is really highlighting more than anything else. Probably that.

I feel like that's what this is. I feel like, I feel like probiotics were not designed. Like we've just killed our quibotin, poor metabolism. Flora. Yes. And our gut is under attack and trying to normalize at all the time because of all the shit that we intake. We breathe all the things, right? And that's only compounded over decades that a probiotic, which is not designed to speed your metabolism up, burn more calories, or do anything that's regarding fat loss.

But because it incrementally right away starts to impact your gut in a positive way, right away a byproduct of the, that is metabolic. Oh, your body's working the way it's supposed to. Yeah. Or just a little bit better. Even if it's not working the way it's supposed to, it's like it's better than what it was yesterday. It's like the vitamin D studies. Like, yeah, people take vitamin D get all these great benefits.

Like, what's so deprived. Yeah, dude. I mean, that's what I read into this. Like, I don't think this is like revolutionary science on like a probiotic. Like, oh my God, this whole time it was a fat burner. We didn't know. It's like, no, our guts are just being so destroyed that you can pick 100 random people. And they, and then take them, take a probiotic, take a good one, a high quality one.

They're in it. You know, seed is the company we work with. You know, I'm so, like, are you, have you been taking it regularly? I have never. Seed is great. Maybe, maybe the best thing to come of this whole thing that I went through is I'm on, um, tomorrow's 30 days, okay, since everything. But I have not missed a supplement in 30 days.

I don't, I can't tell you the last time. And I mean, I'm on, I'm on the south stack right now. And I'm like, I mean, I'm like, I'm like, my mantle is. got in my room has got, I mean, I must have 40 bottles up there. Like, this is what this guy feels like every day. But I have to admit that like, because of the, I had to type of deal, it's building this consistency for me. And seeds are one of the, one of the many things that's on the stack right now that I'm consistently doing. Have you noticed any different? Let me think. For you with seed, I would expect improvements in skin and digestion. So the main reason that

I started taking it was because I told you how destroyed my stool has been. So I wouldn't say that... Which is a normal side effect. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So... That's true. It's hard to know. What, I mean, I'm getting better.

I'm not, like, what I will say honest to everybody is that even 30 days later, I am not 100%. But every day I'm a little bit better. And so, and it's, it's, what I don't know is, had I not been doing all these things, how would I feel right now? So I believe from what I've been doing has been making that process better. And so I'm going to stay consistent with it. So it'll be interesting.

Let's say 30 more days. Yeah, that's crazy. Who was it that, bro, about the influencer who died on the 10,000? Yeah, I put that in there. I saw a clip. So what happened to this? I didn't look into it. So he was trying to do like a set himself up for like one of those weight loss things where you, you know, it's like a trainer where they.

put on a lot of weight and then they do this like transformational reveal at the end. We've seen somebody do this a few times before, but it was like a 10,000 calorie diet that he was on. And he was taking in all these calories. And apparently he died like in his sleep. Do they know what caused the death? Because he was young. He was, yeah, he was super young.

Yeah. And it was the extreme. I don't know exactly, like, if we should pull that up, Doug, and find out. But it was... 30 years old. 30? Yeah, yeah. A Russian.

Do they know what caused his death? Was it... Was it the... Suspected heart failure? Heart failure, yeah. And wasn't he already in good shape? And then he did it? Yeah.

I don't know. Let me take a look at this. That's weird. 10,000 calories a day and he died. So he gained 28 pounds in a month. Yeah. His goal was to gain at least 55 pounds. And document the process of losing

the weight to promote his upcoming weight loss program. He was trying to get it really fast. It was only a matter of time before these stupid things that these people had been doing for quite some time. I mean, that shouldn't kill you. No. But you remember, there's a perfect storm with some people. You were pressuring the hinges, yeah.

Well, yeah. And if you had some underlining already, like, heart issues and conditions and you didn't know, and you pushed the levers. I mean, you remember supersized me. Yeah. And you remember all the markers. Yeah, he went crazy. Yeah, it went, it went nuts.

That's crazy. Have you, have either. one of you ever ate 10,000 calories in a day before? No. I think I have, I have after a show. 10,000? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've done, I think I've done six or seven.

I mean, I didn't, I didn't, I couldn't do 10,000. I don't even think that, maybe like, five. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did. 10,000. I could go back and, like, go, I wasn't tracking, like, trying to get it, but I'm, I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure. Wow. I mean, but come on, I'm, uh, eight weeks.

Yeah. Oh, I mean, I looked awesome afterwards. Well, you needed it. Yeah, my body needed five to six. Remember, I was at that time, we got to think of this. It's not that unrealistic. My metabolism was at 5,000 to 5,500 to maintain my size. Plus it was just after.

Wasn't like you did it for it. And then, so imagine this. Okay, so I had got my metabolic rate up to 50, 5,500 to maintain my size and activity level. Okay. To cut for a show, what it looked like would be. from 5,000 to 4,000 down to 3,000. I hit stage still eating 25 to 2800 calories. So 3% body fat, and I'm eating 28, which was starving for me, right?

That's what that felt like when you were used to eating 5,000. And that's what I would do for the last couple weeks to get absolutely shredded. So my body, just three weeks before that, remembers what it's like to want 5,500, and I've been depriving it for weeks in a row of that kind of calorie. So, yeah, I mean, I cruised by, six, seven thousand calories. We saw,

and then I had, you know, pizzas and pies and well, I mean, the weight gain that he experienced the 28 pounds or whatever in a month,

that's nothing compared to when you'll see competitors go through. Yeah. I ran into, I'm not going to say who, you guys know who it is, but our buddy who just competed, and he was four weeks out from,

so he had hit stage, shredded. Yeah. He's a pro. Four weeks out, I saw him, bro. Like, did you gain 30? It looked like you gained 30 pounds.

I put, 25 to 30 pounds on right afterwards, right afterwards. Now, you remember, I mean, you got to think this too. You got gallons of water. Water is crazy. Glacogen, water. Oh, yeah. So at least 10 to 15 of that is good.

Yeah. You know, 10, 10, 15 easy is good. Water and glycogen right away. So it sounds like really bad. But you definitely, and then also good body fat because you're at 3%. You need to get up to. You need to get up to 8 or 9%. So, like, you think it's all like, it's not good.

for you and did go that fast. And I remember after doing it the first time, the unhealthy way, I would then reverse diet and talk about it. I would tell people like... The only thing I ever experienced similar to that was when Doug and I filmed, took photos for the original MAPS Antibolic. I had got myself down to like four, maybe 4% body fat. And I remember first two things.

Number one, you dream about food, which is weird. It's really weird to have dreams. about food where you're in sleeping and you're thinking. And the food I'm dreaming about is like apples. And it's not like I'm dreaming of donuts. No, no, no, no. It's really weird. All you think about is food.

It's the most crazy thing. And then afterwards, when I was really done, like, oh, we did the photos. Now I can enjoy whatever. I started eating and some hyper palatable. What I remember what I had, I think it had pizza. And it triggered a frenzy, bro. That's like, like, you know, when you watch great whites in the ocean, attacking something and they'll bite each other

because it's their eyes roll back and then just I felt a frenzy and I just kept going it was the weirdest most dysfunctional feeling of all time dude I mean it compares to the thing that I thought

was the most awesome that was my favorite part of competing was the next two to three workouts Oh yeah crazy pump like there is no steroid there's no supplement I've ever taken that gave me the pumps and the feelings of

coming off a six to eight week depleted body that just got fed tens of thousands of calories in a couple days it was i'm serious like it was more anabolic feeling than any anything i and i've tried a lot of stuff like it's was way more off that that that part was like whoa this is this is so cool yeah that was really cool it's weird to me because um two i've seen like uh so my father-in-law will like every now then we'll get like a life insurance hitting them up to get rechecked and so just crash diets like I've never

seen me like crash diet my life like he can crash diet and I'm like this is so not good for you dude like I keep trying to express like how bad this is on his health but you know still just because he wants to make the weight and not look like his markers

are bad but I'm like if they really looked at his blood work this would not be good you know what's crazy about that some people do that right for life insurance. Yeah. It's like they're getting ready for the test. Yeah. They skew, because insurance companies have ridiculous science and algorithms to predict mortality.

It's in their best interest. It's a competitive market. Doug knows this. They're really good. In fact, they're better at predicting your mortality than medical, you know, they're the best at it. Because money's on the line. Yes. And they have to profit.

They have to profit. But what happens when people cheat the test, quote unquote, when they prepare, they actually change the premium for everybody because they throw the numbers off. So like my cholesterol is here. I'm going to get it better. I'm going to stop, you know, smoking cigars for this long,

so there's no nicotine in my system so I can cheat on the... And then they detest, they have the algorithm. Then they die at a particular age. That goes into a formula that everybody has to pay for. You don't think that they...

You don't think they probably buffer for that, though, too. It doesn't matter because the numbers are the numbers. Because I would think they would... I would think they would buffer for a little bit. Like, I would think the algorithm goes,

okay, based off these things, these people, these people should live to this, but we're going to... Of course. Yeah, because... Honestly, I don't think that many people are gaming the system with that. Really? It's too much work.

Honestly, I mean... I mean, that's a fair point. I just don't think a lot of people are doing that. Everyone... I bet a lot of people attempt it. They said to do it. I've seen him do it three times. So it's like...

He's an anomaly. Yeah. He's in a anomaly. Yeah. He's very money motivated? I mean, is he like... Yeah, yeah. Okay, there you go. Like, you got it.

He's like 30 bucks a month. He's motivated by spite. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he'll do things just because it's like principle. You've got to have that personality to do. Yeah, he's very like, you know, like stubborn about stuff like that.

What's crazy, too, is some of the questions on those insurance policies, Doug, I would love your input on this. Some of them will make your premium go up to have nothing to do with your help but rather your activities. Do you ride a motorcycle? Yeah. Premium goes up. Exactly. They rate you for flying airplanes, racing, all kinds. Downhill skiing, rides, all kinds of.

Downhill skiing, I don't think that's typically a risk factor. But, yeah, anything they consider. high risk. I'm obviously skydiving, scuba diving, things like that. I'm still tripping though on like 10,000 calories

and he died from that. Like, how does that? He has to have a precondition. It must have a hard condition. He must have a hard condition. He had to have a, and he was probably 30, so he probably hasn't done a lot of tests.

I thought there was something else more extreme in that story, but that if that's, yeah. Because the average, especially the bodybuilders the whole time. Would not. Yeah, yeah, no.

That's not like, it's not because of the calories. It's because you had some sort of condition that you were unaware of. Now, and then also considering this was after or during his 30 days of already doing it, too. Oh, yeah. He's been, it was not like one, 10,000-count days. It's like eating.

There's also stuff we don't know if there was drugs involved or anything like that. That's a good point. There's a lot of people. That has to factor. I was having this conversation with some friends of mine. The topic came up. And they're like, oh, you don't, you know, you don't drink alcohol. Did you ever drink?

I said, no, I never drank alcohol. And they're like, oh, it's because you're really into your fitness. I said, no. It's because it's got calories. I'll be honest with you. I'll say the fitness space, there's more, there's so much drugs in the fitness space, but it's none of the calorie-containing ones. For sure.

They're worried about how they look, not necessarily their health. And so you'll see oftentimes when fitness influencers or whatever suddenly die, like, a lot of times it's drugs. You just don't know. Have you guys ever heard, this is a little bit of a shift, but it was called This Man, This Man Hoax? No. So there was this like social experiment, I guess.

I was like an Italian sociologist or I don't know what his title was, but created this image and this drawing of a man. And it's like, have you seen this man in your dreams? And like, and then they've heard of this. They plot. They put this image like all over town and then they expanded it. And it became like this folklore and this legend of like, I see this man. And everybody's claiming they see this man in their dreams. and they're just like tripping out.

Like they think and they're promoting it like everybody at some point is going to see this man in your dreams. And this is literally just a marketing campaign. Oh, wow. It was so brilliant. Yeah. I've seen that. Yeah.

And what's weird about it's a creepy-ass face. That's why I remembered it. Yes. They made it just creepy enough so it's like distinctive and like you don't see something like normally. Thanks, Justin. I'm going to have a good thing. Now you're going to see it.

But even when they're describing it when I was watching, I don't remember what I was watching, but they brought the cell. No, this person's, her name is Andrea Natella. Oh, oh, oh. I thought it was a company that did it as a... No, not Nutella. Oh, yeah. So what was... Oh, so this is just a social experiment. It wasn't like a company was using it, like a marketing ploy or whatever. Yeah, I was, but I was thinking, man, that's a powerful thing to create, like... Do you know why that's a creepy face right there? Click on his face, Justin. Like an imprint of something that, like... So I was thinking we do this with Sal across town.

You've seen this face And just like plan it in everybody's head So we get more listeners And then self-programs I read the science on Like what makes a face creepy You know one of the things that makes a face The creepiest

What? Is a smile that doesn't match Like a slight smile That doesn't match the rest of the face Doesn't match you If the mouth smiles but the eyes don't And something is off Their eyes aren't smiling

That's exactly what that is right there That's right He looks like he almost like he has a scowl, but then he's smiling. Right. There's something about that. Mad, uh, eyebrow. Yeah. So that, that, that face right there makes you feel uneasy.

It's like something creepy about it. Yeah. And, and, and. Now is that, is that, is that, is that, can you do that? Can you, can you, can you, can you smile and scow at the same time? Like, is that why? Because it's like, our brain goes, that's not possible. No, our brain says there's something wrong with that person.

They're probably crazy. So I've read studies on that. on that like. Yeah, because look at just try, just try and scowl and then also smile. Like if I smiled at you without using my eyes.

Yeah, scow on a smile. Yeah. You're like, bro, what is wrong with you, bro? Stop looking at me like that. This should be a pedophile test. Yeah, it's like, stop. Stop saying pedophile.

Too far. You live like that, dude. No, I'm putting you in jail. Too far. Can I be missing your kids? No. Just because your face. Not at all.

Anyway, I read an interesting study on girls and their fathers in connection. This is interesting. I saw a post on this and I confirmed it and there's lots of studies to support this. Trip off this. Girls start puberty earlier when their biological father is absent. Oh, interesting.

The average is six to 12 months earlier. Wow. So girls who biological father is not there, their puberty kicks in faster. That's an interesting study. Why? Because the correlations are two. First of all, half the marriages don't work. So half the fathers are probably not present or around.

Well, no, they control. The control is girls with their biological father present. Present versus those that don't. So, okay, this has to be, the only way this works for me is like these, all the people that were studied were also have normal homes, mom and dad's in the house. That's right. And then that, that group versus girls without their biological father. So like stepdad in there. Do they test for that?

So biological father, even if there's another man present that's not. So by the way, there's a theory. There's an evolutionary theory. Yeah, what is this? That she will have to become fertile quicker because that's part of her protection. Interesting. She needs to get her genes and you get passed on quicker. Versus dads around.

Now, historically, hasn't this already been because of what's been going on hormonally and the products and this thing? Haven't women's been starting their periods? Yeah, they think it's more related to obesity. So if girls are obese or have a lot of body fat, they tend to start their period sooner. Yeah. There may be some xenoestrogen influences. And so that's accounted for also in this.

Yeah. Which is interesting. What's always, it's interesting to me. I like studies like this because it just shows the importance of, like, having your dad, you know. And especially for girls, they show this huge impact on girls and the safety that dad provides the other, you know, people don't necessarily provide. Yeah. So I thought it was a really interesting one.

Do you guys see that Denmark passed a law on social media? What? Do you guys see this one? What are they doing? So let me see if they passed it. She just get rid of all of it. Yes. Yeah.

Kids under 15 are not allowed to have social media. I like that. I agree with that. I think it didn't go far enough. I heard a really, I like it. I heard an interesting conversation that was talking about AI, right? Which I wanted to talk to you guys about anyways. Just kind of where it's going.

and like, Doug, take the creepy picture. I thought he did. I looked back up. Salty, bro. Adam definitely. I'm like you dream about him. So, yes. The, this guy, this, yeah, the AI guy was on, I wish I know his name was, who's just on the Diary of the CEO podcast.

And he's just, he's, I don't want to call him an alarmist because I think he was very calm and calculated about what he's on. But he's just trying to, you know, hey, we should really. consider a lot of the outcomes of what we're doing with AI and this and that, which this is not anything anyone's unfamiliar with, I'm sure. But yeah, he related also to just like, look what just happened with, you know, social media. Like we just put it into our, you know, we just adopted it right away and nobody raised their hand to think about the consequences of it. And we're, and like, we're barely just now seeing all this. Should we have more barriers? Exactly. And so should should we be? And you know what I heard him say that I thought was interesting is the way China

is approaching AI differently than we are. And they are actually thinking they are they are approaching it in a much more hyper-focused like we are just going to develop this AI thing for this sector, for this thing to improve that like the economy that versus like general AI and trying to just make it smarter better and into almost like an independent like what we're kind of doing over here. They are very like calculated about being able to control it and use AI to improve specific industries, but not just like building these autonomous robots that are going to be able to think and build them. So what was this, what was his, I guess, objection or fear around it? Was just that it's too so disruptive?

It's just all the things that we have. And you guys, I think of some of, I think you or Justin have brought up some of these things that we've seen where its ability to deceive and lie already on its own. Like if they've already ran some programs where I think one of you've already brought this up where, you know, they call it hallucination. They say they call it. Oh, it's not even that. It's, they may call it that, but it's like, it's very methodical. It's like you tell the AI it's going to get replaced by something else. Oh, yeah.

It's self-preserving. And so it's self-preserving. And it'll utilize the information that it has access to. For example, it did it in this company and, you know, get, you can get into everybody's emails, find out that the CEO is cheating on his wife. use that as blackmail to not. No, it didn't. Yes. This is like documented already stuff that they've seen.

And we're not concerned? That's insane. And so if you're seeing that already happen on this level, it's not going to stop, bro. They can't. The spirit behind the development of AI is the same spirit that we had behind nuclear weapons. It's, we have to. We have to. We have to.

We can't. They're going to do it. That's the exact argument. And they're using with it. The difference that... We're running as fast as we can. The difference in why I think someone like this is trying to sound...

The guy's trying to sound the alarm so much is that like what happened with nuclear weapons, you're right, was the same motive of we got to build it before he builds it to this. But then once it was all built, there was this like all of us agreeing that, hey, none of us want absolute destruction. So let's sign these treaties and say,

we have them, but we're not going to use them on each other, right? And so we don't destroy each other. So it's like this mass. But we have control of that. now we're racing to build a thing. Yeah, it's worse. That we won't have control of. It's worse.

And what happens when AI figures out a way to get its hands on the nukes and uses that for blackmail? Well, you guys brought up the autonomous jets. Yeah. And also, like, the new, you know, helmets, which, like, you know, are basically, like. Insane. Yeah, like, call duty, you know, but in real life. And so it's like, from the self-preserving aspect of that, yeah, we have a shutoff button. okay but what if it like redirects and hacks and finds its way to like you know maintain its own

you know system online somehow through some other connection here's the this two problems here it's terminated one that people are talking about which is it's going to go out of control it's going to be so powerful it's going to control us it's going to be smarter than us we're not going to be able to do anything with it that it doesn't want to do valid here's the other one at best we control it at best, who's going to get their hands on this ultra-powerful AI technology? People. People are not great. Those are your two options, everybody. And we're running head first.

And nobody's going to stop it. Nobody's going to stop it because the other guy's doing it. There's nobody. Everybody's saying, we've got to be careful. Nobody's saying, I'm willing to stop it. So here we go. Well, you're also, you're going to get left behind if you don't, right? So you're in this weird, awkward position, even if you don't like it. Yeah. You know, as you're giving examples, like even the kids, like, even the kids in school that are growing up right now, like, that are learning how to use all the AI tools to do their homework better, to study for something better, to pass the grades, to do the projects, to do all things. Like, those kids are going to excel way faster than the kids. They're like, no, my dad says AI is bad. I'm not going to touch or use it.

And so they're going to get left behind on that. So it's like, you're almost forcing their hand. And to figure that stuff out, to use it, to adopt it. Such a weird, scary kind of position. And we're in this weird transition right now, too, which also translates into this other topic that I'm concerned about now is like economically what we're happening, like the layoffs, the speed at which we're laying people off.

We're about to go through a massive improvement in efficiency. Now that sounds good, but here's what that means. A lot of things. Huge labor force. A lot of things that are less efficient are going to have to get cut off. Yeah. So it would be a very painful period before. I mean, you, you harken to the Industrial Revolution.

And I'd like to challenge that it's nothing like that in the sense that that will look like a needle and a haystack. This is going to be so fast and so big. It's the speed that's really. Oh, yeah. The Industrial Revolution changed everything in decades. Right. This is going to be like. Overnight.

Yeah. Like overnight, a light switch is going to. going to go off and millions of people won't have you know we're like five years away from the prediction is two to three bro yeah yeah it's two to three when we first started talking about this like i swear not barely anybody was realizing like what was happening bro still people are like i'm like are you guys not looking i have a lot of close friends that are still bro what's crazy i'll tell you what trips they they just just the idea is like you can't wrap your brain around so many things so many things about this trip me out but one of them i never would have predicted it had you asked me four years ago, what are the areas that AI won't be able to touch for a long time?

I would have said art. Mm-hmm. I would, I, because something about art makes me think it's like something special to humans. The top songs right now are made by AI completely. But, but it's, I mean, it is similar. It's a pop music, though. Did you, because it's a formula. Did you see, so I'll tell you that, I, you know, I, you're right, but people like it.

I'm like it just like pop music. Yeah. You know, I'm the, well, I would like to think I'm the least tinfoil hat of the three of us. These days you've been winning. I know, dude. I've almost brought to work today. I was talking to my good friend Chris Naguibi that we've had on the show before. And he sent over that chart that I sent over to you guys.

And what he is very nervous about made me really nervous about. And that is that the middle class is disappearing so rapidly. and in a very short time, we're going to have a majority of people that don't have a lot. There's going to be a small percentage of people that have a lot and a lot of people that don't have hardly anything.

And that just primes everybody for socialism. That primes everybody for take from them to help us. And like, now we have all these, we don't have jobs. When you have the efficiency that AI promises to provide, and it probably will, it's very easy. It'll be very easy.

for the people who have control of this to say to people, we'll give you pretty much anything you want. You don't need to work that much. And we'll give you all kinds of stuff. Because it's so efficient. It's so easy to produce. So you'll be able to say everybody gets all this stuff. I mean, how, how eerie.

Yes, how eerie and accurate is that statement feel and sound right now. They've been working on this. That's the thing. It's not like they already know what's in store, you know, for all. Yeah, it makes me feel like what we're, what we're seeing unfold right now, they already seen 10 years ago. Yeah. To put out a statement like that and to just to be able to say things like, you will own nothing and you'll be happy. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. And then to be like this is like, yeah, right. No way. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But like you said, like if it does, if it's that pervasive and it takes over by his jobs, like people are going to be like, well, okay. And what do I do now? And this is my debate on the real estate side that I was, you know, kind of having would keep bugging.

dug about is that we have for ever since 08 I don't know if you guys watched what we did but we got we 08 scared the shit out of the housing industry that huge crash and so every year we dramatically underbuilt homes yeah for what we needed currently not including increase in birth rate so and we put more regulations in building so we are at like all time lows for houses being built and available. And we've done that for over a decade consistently. And so we couldn't, even if we raised, just unlifted all the regulations and said build away, it would take us like a damn near decade to just catch up. And the birth rate keeps increasing. So this idea that we're going to have a housing correction and houses are going to come back down, I don't believe. What it's going to be is that

one percent that is controlling AI and controlling people will have most of the real estate too. You'll, you will owe nothing and be happy. It will be out of our kids' reach unless you've set them up somewhere or somehow to probably buy a home. And it's so hard for people to wrap their brain around it because so much of our society and wealth

has been tied to our home. That used to be the American dream. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. And I think it's an investment opportunity. But I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. You're right. We've tied so much of our wealth and the value of our home

that we can't think of a future where we don't own a home because that's what it used to mean. It used to mean... It was your retirement. It was my retirement. But it doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be.

That's a fair... That's a fair enough. I'm open to that discussion that, like... I mean, that was... I've been trying to say that for a while that everyone's like, oh, the houses have to crack. They've never... This and that.

It's like, no, they don't. We're just so conditioned that that's... Everybody gets to buy a house. Like, not everybody has a super yacht. You know what makes you think that the future is that that's how we'll look at homes. People will be like... like, oh, you own a home. Oh, wow, you must be rich or your family must be rich. Like,

that we're easily moving in that transition with the, and it's just basic supply and demand. More people are being born. More people need homes. And then you have, you have the other multiplier to this is, I think it's 80%. If it's not 80%, it's 75% of the people that have loans and mortgages on these houses are like 4%. They're the super low. And we're, and we, and they said, we'll never see those rates again. So if we're never going to see that low of rates, again, nobody is going to sell their home or refinance their home to put themselves in a lesser home for more money. That makes no sense. Stupid idea. So it's like it just doesn't math, dude. Wow. I'm going to change quick directions. I want to ask you, you've been doing the Christmas

blend. Every morning. Every single morning. Every morning for how many weeks? Well, it's 30 days tomorrow. 30 days. So how you liked it? I really like it. It's also I eliminated one of my caffeine drinks, too. Isn't that great? Yeah. It's been a good. It's a good. It's a It's a great combination. And I didn't, I don't. It's the green juice and the red juice from Organified. You blend them together. You don't feel any drop or anything.

Nothing. Yeah. It feels like I'm having three energy drinks still. Wow. That's great. Yeah, yeah. It's been a nice. And I've actually, so today I had my coffee too.

So I'm trying to try to get rid of the energy drinks completely. My goal is to continue the red and green juice in the morning and then have a, have a nice cup of coffee instead. I want to start cutting out of the, the inner drinks. Nice. Well, it's that time of year. So. Yeah. Do it.

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Back to the show. Our first question is from Burke himself. When dumbbells shoulder pressing, do you recommend a neutral grip or traditional grip? What are the pros and cons of each? Justin would rotate them. Yeah, Justin doesn't both. I would. I started a neutral and then rotate them. I'm not against that.

Traditional grip. The grip position actually doesn't do much, except it influences the elbow position. So it's the elbow position that's important, not the grip. A neutral grip tends to cause the elbows to come in towards the middle, whereas more of a traditional grip tends to bring the elbows out. Here's a deal. They're all important. You know, bodybuilders would say the elbows in is more front-down. elbows out, more side dealt.

Really, I look at it from a function standpoint. Yeah, definitely. Like, you know, keeping the elbows out and coming all the way down requires a lot of scapular mobility. Bringing my elbows down in front requires a different kind of scapular and shoulder mobility. So I think they're both very important. It's really, honestly, I think it's a good idea to do both. Well, isn't that kind of spiraling movement of the more natural?

Because of the way the elbow fall. Right, right. So I would even go as far as far as. far as to say internally. Yeah. So to where it's like, it's tough. Yeah, like an Arnold press. So not just, not just neutral, but all the way.

And it's like a complete rotation as you press up. I love shoulder pressing like that. And you get this real full, deep, super full range of motion all the way down and then full extension. And when you hear us talk about the benefits of taking a muscle through its fullest range of motion, it doesn't get fuller than that with a shoulder press. You don't get any sticking points that way. Yeah.

Because I don't know if you've ever felt where you get wide enough with your elbows and you hit that point where it's like there's a lot of torque, you know, that rests on the joint. And that's why I like taking that into a spiraling motion because it really does diffuse a lot of that excess amount of force. Yeah, the thing is the shoulder joint, I think I could probably safely say is one of the most complex joints, right? Wouldn't you guys agree? Hips and shoulders. Well, shoulders even more so because you have the humorous. have the scapula and they both have to move together. And the shoulder is very versatile because we, you know, we throw with really good accuracy.

Yeah. And, you know, full development of the shoulder, when we think of that, we just think of a round, nice looking dealt, aesthetically speaking. But the best way to accomplish that is to have a healthy shoulder that does lots of, or can do all that it's supposed to do. So what does that look like? That looks like I can keep my elbows out wide and come all the way down, like I would with a behind the neck press,

which a lot of people can't do. It looks like my elbows can come in front of me with some rotation. It looks like I can, you know, bring them out. I can bring them back. All of that, I think, is very important. And if you work out your shoulders, here's the issue. If you train your shoulders with presses one particular way

and get really strong at that one particular way, you'll find issues or instability. You try to move a different way. Suddenly, my shoulders hurt. That being said, if you only did it one way, the best way would be what Justin. Yes. If you had to pick one, 100%.

Like, so I think that's the argument right there for that is that like, you're right. Like learning to do behind the neck presses, good lateral, all those things are hard. But if you had to pick one, I agree. But if you're going to do one that does the best job of encompassing full range, good shoulder mobility and control and stability, it would be a Arnold press. It would be a all the way down. It expresses its full function. Yes. And so if you're really strong in that, you should be able to kind of do all the,

other things that you're saying. Otherwise, you better be touching all those other areas to make sure that you stay. So to me, that's the real answer over neutral or traditional group. Next question is from Lucas Keene, 03. Does using ladders, small boxes, and running with parachutes translate to faster feet and explosiveness for an athlete? Not the way these people do it. Yeah. And I pick this question because it's, there's some complexity here, right? So ladders are making you faster, not because you are necessarily fast, but rather you're training your ability to place your feet in different directions with good stability, good control. So really, you're training a skill is what's happening with ladders.

Boxes, explosive jumping. It's agility. That's agility. Yes, that's agility. That's what I just said, right? That's what I was explaining. Boxes, you know, now you're training power with the explosiveness. And running with parachutes, is also explosive trains, giving you resistance to try to run fast. The key, though, is to do this all without fatigue. Right. That was my point.

100%. Because people use this just another way to get sweaty. Yeah. And you might as well just do jumping. I mean speed's so dependent on how much force you can produce, which is strength. Yeah. Which people dismiss the fact that you've got to get really strong legs to get faster.

And then it's technique. And then it's, you know, this is obviously it's foot speed in the sense that if it kind of mimics like, you know, you being able to connect to quick movements and have that kind of versatility. But in terms of it actually like the actual engine and the mover of it, it's all like maximal force output and driving it through your foot. The agility is really just being able to maintain your balance when you're moving in different directions and being pushed in different directions. I mean, you look at like boxers, their footwork is keeping them balanced while they're constantly. moving. And that's a skill.

It's a skill. It's a skill. I'm trying to think of a better example than that I've seen than when you see a Olympic level sprinter training. Like, you've ever seen an Olympic level sprinter, like, they will practice getting out of the box or what do they call the blocks? The blocks. Like, just that part.

Yep. You know. For, yeah. The whole day. Oh, yeah. Exactly. Like, that's like the whole practice. And it's literally just that part of it.

They don't sprint all the way down for the, the, you know. 50 yards or whatever they're... Get-offs or whatever. It's literally just boom. They do that. And then they walk back. They recover. They rest.

They get back in the position. They adjust their feet. They get their hand in position. You see that like... You go like 50%? Yes. And you like ramp your... Yeah.

It's like... And so that's like how you approach these types of things. If you want that to translate to better speed on the field, better speed on the core, whatever sport you're trying to get better agility, better explosiveness, or, you know, the three different things that you named, the way it's, you traditionally see it is done wrong. It's just trainers doing it with clients in this kind of fatigue

setting where it's like, they do push-ups and then they squat and then they do jump boxes or they, you know, they do a set of an exercise and then they run with the parachute. It's like, that's all standard. That is ridiculous. Like that is like, that is not making that athlete any better, anything other than just enduring shit. Like they can just, they can endure more stuff. But they're not going to get, They're not going to be more explosive. They're not going to have more agility from training that way. You have to practice what you're looking for. What the adaptation is, that's what your practice should look like.

So if I want to train explosive power or if I want to build explosive power, I have to train that explosive power part. If I'm not resting and I'm going back and forth different exercises, that's not explosive. What I'm training now is endurance, which is if you want endurance, there's better ways to do it than to put five different random exercises of movements together that aren't supposed to be strong together. And the best way to like when you're setting up drills is to mimic your actual movements in whatever sport it is you're doing. And so you have that, you know, translation. It's a lot better.

Like say if I set up a cone drill, I'm like, you know, in a certain position when I was a linebacker. And I had to be on, you know, the balls of my feet. And I'm having to move laterally and then straight up the field. and I have to cut right on the dime. You know, to mimic that, you can set it up and use these kind of tools to be a little bit more specific towards your sport. But again, this, again, is just like a mimicking

of what you're actually doing. The best way to do it is obviously to play. Have you ever used a parachute? I never have tried that. I have. Yeah, I've done a parachute. I've done running in the pool. This is when I was like training to try to get any kind of time off my 40 time.

And it was interesting because I think the real value in it for me was, yes, you had the resistance as you're running. But when you released, so we had like a release. So you'd actually then feel free. And now it was almost like I had, it was more fluid, my mechanics and my, what do you call it, my stride. It felt like I was more loose and in tune. You probably feel light. Yeah, for sure. So it was helpful for that.

I think it's more helpful for technique. It's not like, oh, I'm at a resistance, so I'm getting stronger. Well, people need to really, like running is a technique. It's a skill. It's a big, big skill. It's hard for me to even articulate, yeah. Next question is from RS runs lifts 76. I'm a 49-year-old dad of two girls, ages 10 and 6.

We are busy. How do I know what's appropriate? Two days a week of anabolic or Maps 15. Either one of those. It's more your lifestyle, right? It's whatever fits your schedule. But I got to say this. I want to add this.

And I don't, this is more of a recent, um, opinion that I've developed. And, and if I look back, there's lots of evidence that would point to what I'm about to say. I think if you take this total amount of volume that you're doing in training and you break it up into smaller bits throughout the week, you probably get better results. In other words, two days a week versus six days a week, but the same amount of exercises, same sets. The difference is you're doing just a couple exercise a day for six days versus, you know, all the exercise in two days, I bet you'd get better results. Oh, I don't think there, I don't think there's a debate about that at all. I think that, I think it's pretty clear that that, that is better. I think it really comes down to, are you somebody, because if you have a

gym, let's say you don't have a gym at home and you have to go to the gym. And so, and so, that's right. So now you got to drive somewhere 15 minute, like, it could be a five to 15 minute drive for a 15 to 20 minute workout. That to me is like, oh, I, I'm going to, If that's my lifestyle, then it's probably easier for me to do two full-body workouts in the week because I have to go to gym. Now, if I have... Make you more consistent. Right. But if I have a nice little gym set up at my house, well, dude, for sure, the six, like, shorter workouts every day is a way better approach.

I think about that. Yeah. Well, think about if you train the two days, Monday, Tuesday for the hour long, but then the rest of your week, you're busy desk job, you do nothing. That person would be way better suited by interrupting the... their day of sitting all day long with 15, 20 minutes of some sort of exercise for a lot of reasons. And I think we have some studies to kind of point a little bit in that direction. I think it's too hard to really show what a difference that makes. That guy who has a desk job who is choosing between only lifting two days a week where the rest of his week, he's very sedentary versus the 15 minutes,

doesn't realize also with that 15 minutes actually how it impacts the rest of the day because he did that. And we've talked about this before, the show. Like, if I get a lift in, it doesn't matter if it's a 15 or an hour lift, like, I organically move more throughout the day. It changes your mood. And so that's not going to be in a study, right? They're not going to, that won't be, to compare those two things. You're going to be like, well, if we control all things and this versus this.

And it's like, but in real life. But in real life, that's not what happens. In real life, the dad who makes that 15 minute time in his garage real quick, now all of a sudden, is more active with his kid. And he helps management, the sleeve. That's right. It's right. He gets,

all that stuff is better. He does more around the house. And that's not going to, you're not going to find that in a study, but I can tell you in real life, training enough people, also seeing it in my own life. That's the better route if you have access to it.

And that's the way you make that decision. The other thing, too, is because Map 15, it does have a barbell and dumbbell version, but also has a suspension trainer version. So suspension trainer is very, inexpensive, super convenient for this dad. If it's like if convenience is the big roadblock, which it typically is, it's time, a time thing. Maps 15 with the suspension trainer might be the perfect program for you. Next question is from Susan E. Wells. Is it ever too late in life to make a

go at a career in the fitness industry? After 29 years in government service, I'm looking at retirement in the next few years or sooner. I'm currently 52 and have always been active in lifting, even competing in my early 40s with USA weightlifting. There's this really interesting myth in the fitness industry, this perception, I would say, that trainers are successful trainers are young, and that if I'm older, that it's going to somehow harm me. It's the opposite. You know what a challenge it was being the young guy?

I know that. I was 18, yeah. I remember like, they're like, what do you know? I have kids. Yes, I remember being. a young trainer going like, God, I can't wait until I get older so I can quit hearing these people's excuse him. How do you know? Yeah. How would you know? You're only 20. Wait till you get to my age. So guess what? I'm your age now. Now I can talk to you. You don't say it's better to be

old. Especially if you're somebody like this person is describing 52 and been in weightlifting. It sounds like you're a healthy fit. Fifty-year-old. That's an advantage. If you're a, the average, the average personal training client is middle-aged. That's the average client. Yes, right. Because they have expendable income personal training. That's right. You're going to relate way better to them. If you're a fit 52-year-old, you're going to, now, all things being equal, right? Because a lot of things will make you a successful trainer. You can be a crappy salesperson.

Yeah, you can be horrible communicating it and not knowledgeable at all. In which case, I don't care. But if all things being equal, a 52-year-old that looks fit versus a 22-year-old that looks fit, both trying to get cl-in. The older. I'm going to go even, I'm going to go even further. Give me a 25-year-old multiple national certifications jacked, 6% body fat. and we're 13, 15 for female versus just a very healthy 52 year old that's educated and has a lot of

experience and has maybe a couple certs or a cert. That older. Has gone through hormonal changes. If they both have equal communication skills because we've, if you heard us talk about that. That trumps everything. Because give me the smartest, fittest person who can't communicate and they can't sell, they're going to do terrible training. But if you have equal communication skills,

it is an advantage to be older than 40 years old and in good shape because that is your clientele that you're that's going to pay for it. Nobody's 25 buying personal training. No. How many 25 and 30 year olds did you train? Like when their parents bought training. Yeah. Like like single digit number. The hundreds of people in their 40s and 50s and 60s all day long.

And let me tell you, that used to be one of my biggest challenges in my 20s being, the fit, fit guy was that I couldn't relate to them. Yeah. And I couldn't deny it like, you're right. I don't know. It's like to be 40.

I do now. Yeah. Yeah, the only challenge I would say that a potential challenge that someone, you know, 52 would have versus, let's say, a 22 year old is you might have more financial responsibility. So it may be more difficult for you to switch careers. Whereas a 22 year old is like living with mom and dad,

I can start this career. I don't have to necessarily make a lot money yet. They can be all in a lot easier. Yeah. Maybe, but I mean, they're coming from a government job. Yeah. So, yeah. The government doesn't pay that well.

No, it's probably, you get the benefits. Oh, yeah. So hopefully you get the, hopefully you keep the benefits. Yeah, you get some cobra out of it. Yeah. I mean, you're right, though. Like, that's the, the big thing here. It would be, are you in a position financially?

Where you could just switch careers. Well, look, no, they're saying, I'm looking at retirement the next few years. Oh, yes. So they're already, they're, there's great. Yeah, you're fine. Your age is not an issue. It's actually an advantage. Yeah, huge advantage.

Especially, too, if you're like, I don't. I don't have to make a bunch of money. Like, and so you have this like, I'm going to go at this at my pace, learn at my pace. Do it because you love, oh, my God, you'd be, I would love to hire you. Look, I'll tell you what, I hired trainers for my parents. And so this is me, right? And these are my parents. And I'm paying for it.

And. Who'd you pick? Well, the guy that I'd pick for my dad, I had observed for a long time because I go to a gym and I see him training people. So I've seen him now for years, and I know he's good. and he's in his 30s, but he's really good. So that's why I hired him. When he came to my mom,

I didn't know very many of the female trainers there because the time I go, I didn't see too many of them, but they're there. So immediately, I'm like, I'm asking for experience and age. First of all, my mom, she's going to relate more to somebody who's closer her age. And I'm looking for experience. So I hired a woman that was a little older

and more experience. So it's actually an advantage. And it's funny because the perception is, it's this young industry. That's just because a lot of trainers are young. Well, it's also because it's an advantage. It's also because there's this perception of this young, beautiful, fit person does better. No.

Like, oh, because I'm healthy and I'm fit, but I'm not as ripped. Because you get eyes and attention. Yeah, I'm not as ripped as that 22-year-old. That don't even matter. Like, if you're healthy and fit and older than 40, you'll get more respect from the people buying than the 23-year-old who's got abs and look shredded for sure. 100%. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram at Mind Pump Media.

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