Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2751: Guaranteed Muscle-Building Methods Most People Ignore

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Starting point is 00:02:34 I'm talking right now. Hit pause. Head on over to mindpustore.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. Building muscle, one of the most important things you can do or target when it comes to your workouts, regardless of whether or not you want to lose fat or get bigger and stronger, of course, building muscle helps all of those things. So we're going to talk about today the guaranteed ways that you can build muscle. How do you measure it? How do you make it happen? That's what we're going to talk about. Let's go. The guarantees. Yeah. Well, I think first and foremost is probably proper programming in relation to stress and everything else you have going on your life and proper programming in the sense of

Starting point is 00:03:15 the most appropriate movements and exercise. I mean, I don't know where you're going as far as your first main tip with this, but that's the first thing that comes to mind for me is that. Well, I agree. I mean. Balanced recovery. is a huge part of that. And building muscle doesn't happen on accident. I think that's what we're kind of pointing to. It's not like an accidental adaptation that happens. Let's be clear, your body doesn't just want to

Starting point is 00:03:39 build muscle. It's expensive tissue. It requires more resources. It's functional tissue. So your body has to have a reason to want to add this expensive tissue. And then it has to have a reason to keep it, too. That's right. So it's... It'll go away very quickly if you don't use it.

Starting point is 00:03:57 I mean, I feel like when I communicate to clients, it's the steps to doing it are simple yet hard. Right. So it's like there's a handful of things if we do properly that we will build muscle and it's relatively easy. But doing that and doing that consistently is the hard part. Well, I think, too, we also have to paint the right context when it comes to diet and sleep. Because if diet and sleep are not appropriate for muscle building, it won't happen. So I know you mentioned programming. I think we should definitely talk about that.

Starting point is 00:04:29 But if you're not getting good, if you're not getting adequate sleep, you're not going to build muscle. That's just not going to happen. It doesn't matter how great your workout programming is. If your sleep is crap, your body doesn't want to build muscle. And there's really interesting studies on this

Starting point is 00:04:45 where just how much it limits you. I mean, there's a great study where they had groups of people on a calorie controlled, restricted diet, two groups, same diet, same everything, except one group had bad. sleep. One group had good sleep. The bad sleep group lost so much muscle in comparison to the other

Starting point is 00:05:03 group because poor sleep is just a terrible, it's an incredible stress on the body. Well, I really look at it as like you're engineering this environment. Like it's a bubble for creating muscle. So you have to, you have to look at it like I need to have adequate rest sleep in conjunction with what I stressed my body out with deliberately. You say that though, so laws. fair or easy, yet this is an area where I think a lot of people get wrong. And I think it's important to talk about why they get that wrong. Because how many times have you had a client, or even yourself maybe in earlier years, where you got really poor sleep? And then you had a hard workout and you felt so good. And so a lot of people will connect that feeling that they got from that

Starting point is 00:05:50 cortisol spike from that hard workout. And go like, oh, I feel so much. Now that I got that out. I feel so much better, even though results will probably not follow because of the way they're going about it. But in their head, they're attached to that feeling they got from that workout. And then that becomes a cycle. That's really tough for people to see or understand. Stress hormones give you energy. That's why you have them. Your body produces or elevates stress hormones to give you energy when you're under a lot of stress.

Starting point is 00:06:20 And lack of sleep will do that. So it feels good initially to get that extra boost of cortisol. By the way, if you keep pushing that button, though, eventually you'll crash everything. Yeah. And then you'll be so dead and so tired and so sick, essentially. You can't do anything. But a lot of people don't get themselves that far. But what they do is they confuse the fact that they're able to function with that they have adequate sleep for muscle growth.

Starting point is 00:06:46 The human body is quite resilient when it comes to sleep. So meaning you can go about your day. you won't do a great job, but she can go about your day. And so many of us don't have, are so suboptimal with our sleep so consistently that we don't realize that we're suboptimal. And we're surviving on caffeine and stimulants. You don't know what that feels like. That's right. And so we think, oh, you know, I'm okay.

Starting point is 00:07:08 You know, I get up to go to work and, you know, I can do my, my things. It's not until I have an infant and I get, you know, three hours of sleep a night that I don't feel sleep deprived. So, no, it's, there's an adequate, there's an amount of sleep that's essentially, necessary to build any substantial muscle. And it's like eight hours a night consistently. So that's one part of the picture. The second part is you have to eat adequately. So you can, this is how big of a deal this is.

Starting point is 00:07:37 You could have great strength training and good sleep. If you eat too little, not only will you not build muscle, you'll actually get yourself to a point where you can have osteopenia or osteoporosis. And I've seen this, where we have, you know, I've been. with fitness experts where they were really consistent about the workout. They're really good with their sleep, but they had disordered eating. So they just ate too little. And they would, you know, get bone scans. And the doctor's like, you're losing bone masks. How's that possible? He lift weights. Well, you've been eating 13-hundred calories for years and years and years. You have to feed yourself

Starting point is 00:08:10 properly. Yeah. So that's just the building block. So you could send all the blueprints and instructions to your body. And your body could be ready with the workers to build this muscle. Just imagine you're building a house. You've got your construction workers. You've got the blueprints. And they're sitting around waiting for the bricks, mortar, two by fours, and sheetrock, and it doesn't arrive. You're not building anything. It's just not happening. So you have to feed yourself appropriately. Otherwise, you're not going to build anything. Everybody knows that strength training, exercise is good for the body. But I don't think they all recognize that it's a stress. It's a good stress because of the change, the adaptation that it elicits. but it still accounts for stress.

Starting point is 00:08:51 And if you have a bucket that you can only fill so much of stress up and a day, and you're already stressed at work, stressed at home, you're not getting good sleep, and then you're also stressing the body physically with this workout. It overspills. And when it overspills, you're not going to see the results that you want to. And so I think that's where a lot of people go wrong because we attach exercises working out as a good thing. Or what a lot of people think, it relieves my stress.

Starting point is 00:09:16 Like, I've got all this stress, but when I, work out, that's the one, that's why I like to work out. In fact, I can't tell you how many times I hear that that's one of the main motivators to go train hard and exercise is because it makes me feel good about all the stress that I'm doing. But what they don't realize they're doing is they're overfilling that. And maybe they don't do it so chronically that health conditions happen, but they do it chronic enough that they're at a hard plateau. Yet they think they're doing all the right things. It's like, man, I'm eating good, I'm making good food choices. I'm following a Maps program, but then yet I'm not seeing the results I want to, and it's because that that stress

Starting point is 00:09:52 bucket is, is overflowing. That's the conundrum, you know, with the stress hormone feeling, and because it does provide you this jolt of energy. So to keep attributing that really hard workout with, then I finally get this energy boost that I needed throughout the day, and it's this perpetual cycle where you're never really fully recovering, so you don't actually make progress and build, but at the same time, you're chasing that feeling. It's the hardest thing in the world to convince a client or a person who's attached that feeling. That's right.

Starting point is 00:10:26 Because... Super hard. I don't care how smart you are, how experienced you are. They know how they feel. And of all the stress and all the bullshit they have in their life, the one thing that seems to feel good and consistent is that dump of hormones from that hard workout that they just did. And so who am I to come in and be like, yeah, that's probably... probably not a good idea for us.

Starting point is 00:10:47 Well, it can be even more than that, Adam. It could also just be an escape, you know, in a similar way to like, like alcohol is a stress reliever. A lot of times it is. And it does in the, in the short term, cause stress relief. But we know, and, you know, I'm using alcohol as an extreme example because I think everybody knows not a great way to relieve your stress consistently. Exercise can become a way to avoid feelings.

Starting point is 00:11:08 It can be in a way to distract yourself. So you see this with people who chronically overtrain is they, they're like, oh, this is the one time of the day when I don't feel stressed. Why? Because you're in this state of pain and exhaustion, and it's a bit of an avoidant approach. That's training with detachment. Yes. And you're also adding so much stress to your body physically, and you'll ignore it as long as you possibly can until you get hurt or until you get, you know, we used to call us adrenal fatigue back in the day. Now it's called something else, you know, HPA access dysfunction, where suddenly your hormones feel like they're just like, what's going on here? So, no, it needs to be appropriate stimulus.

Starting point is 00:11:47 Now, the question that people have is, okay, well, if I'm eating adequately and I'm getting good sleep, how do I know that my program is building muscle? Besides the fact that you're actually building muscle, how do I know that I'm following the right program? Getting strong. Getting stronger. Sleeping well. Getting stronger is the best way to objectively measure whether or not your program is going to be building muscle. It just is. if you're getting, this is especially true for the first three years of training.

Starting point is 00:12:16 Later on, there are other ways to progressively overload. You can't get stronger forever, right? There's limitations. And you can decouple strength gains from muscle gains at the advanced level. So when you get real advanced, then it's like intensity and volume and there's other things you play with. Because like I said, you can't just perpetually get stronger forever. But for the first three years, maybe five years for some people. Yeah, it's your best metric.

Starting point is 00:12:39 It's strength. Yeah. So when you're going to the gym and you're adding two reps or a rep or five or 10 pounds to the bar, your dumbbells are getting heavier, you're just feeling like you could perform the reps better, you're building muscle. You just know that that's the direction that you're going. And what it typically looks like, just for people who are in this stage, is you'll see strength gain, strength gain, strength gain, strength gain, strength gain, muscle. It doesn't typically look, they don't always work together.

Starting point is 00:13:09 oftentimes I'll have clients we're just getting stronger for a little while and then suddenly boom three four pounds of muscle pops on their body okay I have some theories on that what do you think are the main reasons why that a lot of times that's the client who is doing a lot of the things

Starting point is 00:13:25 correctly in regards to the programming maybe sleep all the other stuff they're doing and their CNS is adapting that's good and then they unlock the diet part where all of a sudden they get really consistent or they feed the body appropriately and then all of a sudden then you see this response Even if everything's locked in, though, I'm sure you guys experience this.

Starting point is 00:13:41 Yeah, yeah. Everything is locked in, you're working out, and you get strong. And then it's like after two or three sessions of getting stronger, then you see the muscle. It's like the way a child grows. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like we all think that they like incrementally grow up. They don't.

Starting point is 00:13:53 Great example. If you see the studies. It's like overnight sometimes. Yeah. The way it looks is you look at it in like a 90-day period. And then all of a sudden there'll be an overnight two-inch growth. Yeah, a good example. And so it's just, but yeah, it's like you're doing all these right things and then it doesn't, scale doesn't move.

Starting point is 00:14:07 Mere doesn't really change much. but then all sudden something turns. Yeah, the theory is that the central nervous system adaptations happen first. So that's like my, you know, the computer system that drives my muscle, right? That gives it the signal to fire that gets them to work together. Communicates recruits and then fire. That adapts first. So those are the initial strengthings.

Starting point is 00:14:26 But once it starts to exhaust that potential, then your body reaches a point where it goes, we need larger muscle fibers. Yeah. And then it goes into the muscle fibers. By the way, that's another, you know, hint. that shows you that your body doesn't want to build muscle unless the environment is right for it. Right. So, in fact, it'll do everything you can to not build muscle because it is a big, that's a big investment.

Starting point is 00:14:49 I go back to the environment thing. It's like, you know, that's why you have to do it for an elongated period of time because it's like, well, I live in this, you know, is what you're telling your body. It's not like, you know, a one-off where it's like, I'm stressed. Oh, my God, I have to like, you know, have this strength at this moment. No, I have to have this strength continuously. That's right. You know, this reminds me also of another conversation that we've had on here. Last night, Kyle and I did the webinar for all the people that purchased the MAPS programs this last month.

Starting point is 00:15:16 And one of the questions that was asked was, you know, can I continue still seeing results and not train to failure? And I feel like that's also part of this problem is there's, we've seen the studies and the research that points to the benefits of training to failure. But the mistake that people make or don't realize is, is that these studies are done in these control groups where they control these people's diet and sleep and all these things. And it's like, oh, this group is not going to train to failure. This was going to train to failure.

Starting point is 00:15:47 Oh, this group that trained to failure got this percent more, whatever. And it's like this isn't this perfect environment, which is not life. And so if you have these, if you are always trying to try to insert training to failure because you've seen what the studies say about the benefits of more muscle gain, but you fail to realize the conversation

Starting point is 00:16:05 that we just had about stress, then you just pour on even more stress than just the actual stress coming from the workout by training to failure. And so you can absolutely never train to failure and continually see progress. And I think that's a big myth. And in fact, the reason why we don't promote that way of training

Starting point is 00:16:24 most times is not because I don't understand the benefits and not because I don't train to failure sometimes, but it's because most people haven't learned how to modify intensity properly. And you're better off kind of leaning towards a training tour 80% majority of the time than trying to insert training to failure when you don't know how much.

Starting point is 00:16:43 We have to have a real knowledge base before you stress the hinges to that degree to that intensity because, yeah, you do have to know how to navigate through that and be able to apply adequate rest and compliment. I'll give you my experience. I'm, you know, advanced in the sense that I've been doing this for so long.

Starting point is 00:16:58 So personally, if I train to failure, here's a difference in volume. Because you can't just train to failure. You have to make up for that additional stress in other areas. So if I'm typically going to do nine sets for a muscle group in a workout, and then I decided to train to failure, I go from nine sets to one or two. So my volume went from nine sets, intense, not failure, but intense, down to two to failure. That's the way the workout looks now, because I just went way more intense, but I dramatically reduced the volume.

Starting point is 00:17:28 Not to mention you're also, which you're not communicating right now, you're also factoring in what is my last three days of sleep and nutrition? All of it. All of it. Because I already know that if you were to walk into your workout, say, today and your plan originally was, I'm going to failure today. I'm going to scale back these sets. I'm only going to do two, but I'm going to go to failure. I bet that even changes.

Starting point is 00:17:49 If you had two nights of poor sleep, you missed your protein intake, it's like you're not also going to stress the hinges, to Justin's point, when you've just had a series of two or three days like that. I think the best way to communicate this to people is you want to look at it. at your workout as maybe 80, 90% of the time, what you're kind of doing is coasting. Cruising, yeah. You're, I mean, you're, you're consistent, you're training. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:14 You know, it's not coasting in the sense that you walk in and you don't feel anything. Like you go and you work out, 10, 15% of time is when you really push it. But most people are the opposite. Most people are like 90% of the time pushing it. When they're motivated when they first get started. And then 10% of the time, they coast because their body screams at them. They're forced to. Yes.

Starting point is 00:18:32 And that is a recipe. towards poor results. Better results happen when you kind of coast and then you do these little sprints. But getting stronger, I'm going to say this again, getting stronger is the best way to continue to build muscle.

Starting point is 00:18:48 And people are like, what do you mean stronger? One rep max? No, no, stronger. So in your 10 reps sets, your 20 rep sets, your five reps sets. Did your load increase?

Starting point is 00:18:56 You're just, yeah, for the first few years at least, this is what you chase. This is when I had clients, the first three years, this is all we did. Can I get you stronger, especially at the big,

Starting point is 00:19:04 lifts, which is another thing I want to communicate, is, you know, getting stronger at a barbell squat is going to give me way more muscle than getting stronger at a leg extension, getting stronger at a leg extension, getting more muscle than getting stronger at a lateral raise. And so that's the other thing, too. Where should they get stronger? Everything? Well, that would be nice, but why don't you just try to get stronger at the big compound lifts? Use the other ones to kind of touch up, you know, what's going on. And then watch what happens to your body. Well, and one of my favorite things that you've communicated on here before is the what does that approach look like and it looks like practice. Yep. Versus going into a workout like a workout like, oh, I need to sweat. I need to get sore.

Starting point is 00:19:43 Beat my muscles up. I need to beat myself up. I need to feel it going that direction and going like, hey, I'm still learning this squat exercise. I'm still getting better at this this deadlift movement. I'm still trying to perfect this overhead press. And so I'm really, I care more about the movement of it and getting good at the exercise than I can. care about, did that go to failure? Did that really crush me? Did I sweat a lot? Did I burn a lot from it? And I think if a lot of people went into their workouts with that mentality of, okay, I'm going after practicing to get good at this movement, it would serve them. They would build the muscle. They would build the consistency. They would get all the things they'd want a lot easier than the effort they

Starting point is 00:20:24 were putting in before. Totally. All right. I'm going to change directions and talk a little bit about It's something that's much more on my radar now that we work with a partner that, you know, communicates the benefit of filtering the water you wash yourself with. So I've been drinking filtered water now forever. I think everybody in this room has. I know we all grew up drinking tap water and out of the hose. Oh, yeah. But when you look at the amount of, now, chemicals and heavy metals that can be found in water. Birth control.

Starting point is 00:20:53 Yeah, that's interesting. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. What was it? What's the trace percentage of that now? You know, when you brought that up? It's not a ton, but when you're drinking it and washing yourself with it, like for years. Will it play a role?

Starting point is 00:21:06 I think so. I think you want to minimize your exposure to, you know, xenoestrogen and stuff like. Anyway, your skin is the largest organ on your body, and you do absorb things through your skin. And filtering the water you wash yourself with, probably pretty important. It's one of those things. And so we've had a filter for our kids for a while, but now that we work with Jolie, now we have the shower head that's, you know, for adults too. And it's, you got to filter this.

Starting point is 00:21:31 You talk about all the science part of it, but the pressure of it feels good. That's the same route as you. I'm good. I'm glad that it's better for us. I'm definitely glad it's better for us. But I put it on when I moved into this new place and the head itself as far as like the water pressure and the way it comes out is so much better than the one I had before. Well, what's crazy is that they test for certain things in tap water. But if they don't know to test for something, they, they, they,

Starting point is 00:21:57 won't. They can't necessarily. So not saying tap water is the worst. I think we have some of the best tap water in the world. Yeah. But some place is actually not so great. It's interesting for municipality to, to, yeah, like hard water. Like, is that just like an excess amount of minerals, right? Yeah, that's the definition of that. Yeah, that's where it's like leaves the white, you know, whatever crust on your shower door. Yeah, I've been in like hotels that have that. You feel that. Yeah, dude. I mean, is there is there a difference from a, uh, water softener and then something like this? Are they doing the same thing?

Starting point is 00:22:30 Water softners are just looking at getting rid of the minerals. So Jolie's showerhead is a filter. Okay, good. Because I have both. I already have a water softener in the house. And then we've also put that on there. Weird question that I should know the answer to that I'm going to put Doug on the spot. Maybe you can look for it because I, do I have to change the filter inside? Yes.

Starting point is 00:22:48 I do. Yeah. It's a real filter. Every six months or so. Oh, I'm going to change that. Yeah, right. It's a real filter. Okay.

Starting point is 00:22:54 I got like two months. Oh, good to know. because I wasn't sure. I know, it's pretty easy to put together, which is really nice. So what's crazy about this is this, this is actually starting to become,

Starting point is 00:23:05 for me, now my priority list, a larger concern where you want to look at your overall chemical load because we're so, we're exposed to a little bit here and there, but everywhere. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:19 That, I mean, this is, you know, researchers will speculate this may be one of the reasons why hormone imbalances are so, becoming more common is because of our exposure to chemicals in the air,

Starting point is 00:23:31 in the food that we eat, our cooking wear, you know, packages. So, you know, perfumes, deodorants, it just, it just told. So here's a, here's a huge one, air fryers. Have you guys seen the chemicals and air friars? No. Oh, it's the worst. No. They're the worst.

Starting point is 00:23:49 No, I didn't. I'm just thankful we went with this other company, our place. Oh, they have a chemical free. They have, because we, I haven't switched. Our other one died, the air fryer. And so I looked to see if they had air fires. And they have air friars. And it's sick.

Starting point is 00:24:03 It's like a really cool design, everything. But it's very, it's very, it's a lot more effective than the other one I had. Like, cooks it all the way through. So we had an air fryer for a second. So I'm glad our place has one because they do all their stuff forever chemical free. So none of that stuff in there. I had an air friar. I didn't know what I did.

Starting point is 00:24:21 My wife and I looked up. I didn't know I was getting that. Bro, we looked up safe air fryers. They don't exist. Well, now our place has it. Yeah. But airfire is the worst. What?

Starting point is 00:24:29 Oh, they're coated. Oh, yeah. Why? I just knew we needed one. I'm so glad. Is it the, that's Teflon? It's a tank. Yeah, bro.

Starting point is 00:24:37 Of course, dude. Yeah, dude. I did not know that. And it cooks at such high temperature. Between that and your candles, dude. I got rid of the candles, bro. Let go the candles. Although I still do the logs.

Starting point is 00:24:49 You know what I mean? You do the chemical logs? Yeah. What are you doing, dude? Those are the worst, bro. The fake logs? Well, find me a partner. Find me a partner.

Starting point is 00:24:58 For logs? Yeah, yeah. Just buy wood. Yeah. Go chops some wood. That's a pain in the ass, dude. That's a pain in the ass. Find me a log?

Starting point is 00:25:03 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, just chop me some wood. Hey, how well would we do with a log sponsor? I'm all about chopping. Hey, hey, how well you think we're going to do with a face serum? You know what I'm saying? I did not think we were going to crush a face serum. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:25:14 Apparently a lot of people care about that stuff. Logs. So I've been. So you're doing. Hold on. You're doing the composite, like the legit fake. Yeah, fire logs. Dura flame, is that what it is?

Starting point is 00:25:25 Oh, bro. What are you doing? Don't tell me it's like worse than that, is it? That's the worst. Yeah, it's probably not good for you. Doug, look up. Let's have fun right now. It's going up into the chimney, dog.

Starting point is 00:25:35 No, you're smart. I want to mention on this air fryer, it's kind of interesting. I don't have one. It has actually a thing where you can put some water in the top. Uh-huh. And create some steam. The hard place one does? Yes.

Starting point is 00:25:46 So apparently it helps with crisping things and, for example, bread and that type of thing. So easy to clean, too, in comparison. the other one I had, these little trays that pull out. You guys got to mess. Dude, you have no check everything now. Yeah, everything is dangerous. We're chemical world, dude.

Starting point is 00:26:03 Doug, look up the, say, look at the chemicals in the fire logs. Come on the fire logs. I just bought a whole other box right now. Dude. Just wood, bro. I was burning a lot last night. Come on. Tell me so I can freak out about that now, too.

Starting point is 00:26:14 You know, generally burning wood, it'll create particulate matter. Yeah, that's right. So let's. But I, you know, we've been doing that for thousands of years. I thought it was just like. I thought it's just like compressed like sawdust. Colored flames. No, bro.

Starting point is 00:26:25 Yeah, I don't kind of. How do you keep it compressed? Well, I'm sure there's some stuff. Wax? I don't know. What's what we got? So it's got like paraffin and stuff like that in it. But it does release chemicals like polycyclic aromic hydrocarbons and formaldehyde.

Starting point is 00:26:41 Oh, that makes your face. Oh, that's natural. That's stupid. That's why it's stupid. I don't know. I said that. I want to find. You know what we need to find.

Starting point is 00:26:50 Microsania syndrome. We need a fine. No wonder. You should find this. You're the Google Master here. Find me a list of like the most egregious things in the average household. That's what I want to see. So I can, so I can see where I can see where I'm,

Starting point is 00:27:03 see where I'm okay with my cancer and see where I don't want cancer. This is, yeah. You know what's a really bad one is receipts. Yeah, I know. Touching receipts. He said that wax. Crazy amount. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:15 Oh, yeah. I know. I know. I don't know. I just like hold it like this. I don't like, I don't take it. I would tell them. No, no, no, keep the receipt.

Starting point is 00:27:21 I don't want it. I don't need it. The other day I was at the grocery store. Why do we even do receipts? We have the, we, we don't, nobody takes checks. Nobody goes to grocery store and pays check or cash anymore. No. Okay.

Starting point is 00:27:31 So there's tracking of everything. What does it say, Doug? I got a list of big offenders. Okay, let's hear. Cleaning supplies. Okay. So I'm, I'm all safe and organic there. Fragrance products such as,

Starting point is 00:27:40 no, stupid. What? Fragrance products such as air fresheners, candles, laundry detergent. I've gotten rid of that and we go, we're all organic on the laundry detergent stuff. Personal care items, shampoos, makeups, instead of plastics. of course. I don't have hair, so I don't use it.

Starting point is 00:27:54 I use Caldera for my soap. Come on. One of the biggest ones, and it's a challenge you to get rid of, it's the materials in your furniture and things like that, like carpets and furniture. Right. I've got mostly wood floors. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:09 Okay. So a lot of off-gassing that comes from that. Yeah, like mattresses. That can be a problem for sure. Those are the main ones on the list. Okay. But I'm sure there's more. Well, I mean, so this can listen.

Starting point is 00:28:20 Durfline. Dirtflam. Dirt flame didn't make it there. Dirt flame didn't make it there. I mean, I feel like, one, everything is a chemical or puts off some sort of chemical. So calm the fuck down. Bro. So calm. Everything's a chemical.

Starting point is 00:28:32 Don't see me that crap. Have you seen the ingredients in a banana? You're eating molecules right now. Listen, okay. Like, I don't, no fear mongering going on here. So they have a list here by room, the stuff to watch out for. Okay. So your kitchen, non-stick pans, number one.

Starting point is 00:28:48 Plastic containers, cleaning sprays, processed foods. Yep. Okay. bathroom, air fresheners, nail polish, remover, et cetera, nail polish, harsh cleaners, personal care products, living areas, furniture, particle boards, carpets, air fresheners,

Starting point is 00:29:02 candles, paints, glues, laundry room, dryer sheets, detergents and synthetic fragrances. We use those balls. Have you guys seen those? Those are cool. Oh, yeah, the little furry ones? Yeah, the reusable balls, so we don't even use, we don't even use those anymore.

Starting point is 00:29:15 You put them in your dryer. You put them in your dryer. Have you seen those? No. They're reusable. can get like organic ones like that. Do you guys remember magic markers? You guys smell those when you were doing?

Starting point is 00:29:24 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Because brain cells are dying. Oh, yeah. I feel pretty good. I'm checking most of the boxes. You're good, dude. Yeah, I feel pretty good.

Starting point is 00:29:33 All right. You just hurt my heart with my Dura flame there. I mean, I would, so what I'd like to know, maybe, you can tell me is like, if I compare a duraflame to a regular log, because I know they both are going to emit chemicals, brus. The smoke that's coming off the regular log is not good either. No, no. No, but it's mostly going up the chimney.

Starting point is 00:29:49 But the, you know, the. So is the other shit. Yeah, but the Dura Flame has paraffin, which is a petroleum-based product. So that's what's happening. It was like marijuana and stuff like that. What? Parapherin is like a wax that holds a thing together. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:30:02 So it's like burning a candle? Well, yeah, a fake candle. Yeah. If you were getting a beeswax candle, it wouldn't be an issue. Yeah. Stop trying. Yeah, but it's not coming up in my house going right at the chimney, dude. Not all of it.

Starting point is 00:30:12 And I'm not standing over going, not all of it. Not all of it. Huh? Not all of it. Yeah, smoke's probably not good for either. Yeah. I mean, so that's what I mean. Like, if we were to compare the law.

Starting point is 00:30:22 But burning petroleum is probably worse. Yeah. Yeah, dude. It's like you got a car running in your living room. Yeah. It's not like that. It's like I have a car running. It's the guy who had the ATV in his living room before.

Starting point is 00:30:33 That's right. You did, dude. Did you get rid of that? No, I still have it. What do you do with your ATV? It's up with the other house. Yeah, yeah. I keep it in the garage on a trickler charger.

Starting point is 00:30:43 You just don't want to get rid of it. I won't. You know, so you know that's sedimental value to me, right? Yeah. Yeah. So when I was, when I was, uh, fifth grade, fifth grade, I went over to a friend's house and, uh, he lived on, he had property and his, uh, we were only in like fifth grade and his dad used to let his son and I take the quad out. And so that was, I mean, it was just, he would

Starting point is 00:31:05 drive first because I didn't know how to drive when I was that young. And but I would, we would ride around all over the place on that. And then eventually I learned how to ride. And so I like one day. Oh, I totally. Like, like that was my definition of success was I could buy myself a quad. That was like literally like what I always thought about getting a jet ski. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would also be part of it.

Starting point is 00:31:24 So yeah, I'm very, I'm very, uh, partial to it. And, and the money I would get for it, uh, I've also put a ton of money into it. So it's like really cool. And the money I get for is just like it's insignificant to me. Yeah. The, like the meaning to it is way more than the, that I get. So that's part of why I keep it. Dude, I got to tell you guys a funny story.

Starting point is 00:31:43 It's so true. So Doug has a daughter. So he, he might. he'll understand. But there's these memes that show or like these little funny clips that show like when like with dads and daughters like if you give your son like like a stern look versus if you give your daughter a stern look, right? And I totally experienced this last time. My daughter was being my little three year old was being a little just a little turkey, right? She's just acting up or whatever.

Starting point is 00:32:07 And I gave her no like one tenth of a stern look. So there's a look that I can give my kids. And I give it to my son, no problem. I gave her one tenth of it. And she looked at me, she was like, well, I'm sorry, honey, no. You're mean. You gave me a mean look.

Starting point is 00:32:26 That's what she said. Dude, you either get that. I didn't even give me a mean look, here. You either get that. I was thinking about it. Or you get my goddaughter who learns to give it back. I've never seen dirtier looks on a human. Oh, that's great.

Starting point is 00:32:38 And this little five-year-old, dude. She gives these, she gives a scow. When they'll just look at you all side-eye and crazy. Oh, my God, dude. Okay, I won't do anything. I won't do anything. Your comment about me as your teenage daughter was made. Oh, maybe my favorite part of the tenure. The delivery and the way Danny cut that was like so perfect.

Starting point is 00:33:00 That was so good. What a great time that was, you guys. What a great. We had our, for people that know, we have an annual Christmas party, but this was our 10-year anniversary. And our editors put together a 20-minute, basically video highlighting just the 10 years that we've had together.

Starting point is 00:33:18 Just highlights and how it started. It's live on YouTube now, just so you know. That one clip of us in your living room that must have been one of the first that's had to be one of the first episodes. I didn't realize you recorded with video. I was still wearing my glasses back then. I did, I guess. I mean, I have it.

Starting point is 00:33:33 So I don't recall doing it. Oh, there was a lot in there that I don't recall recording at all. So I took a lot of shots on my phone and I just, I went back and found a bunch of them. For blackmail purposes. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:48 So, trust me, I have some that I could use. Just give any, like a file of all that stuff. Like, how did that even happen? So, yeah, I created a Dropbox folder and just dumped all these different videos in. For example, like Sal shooting that last shot, you know, at the basketball court. Evidence. I'm never going to play again. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:05 All that stuff was just things I had shot randomly over the years. Yeah. So lucky. It made it, it made the cut. Well, what's crazy that you got, like you said, that you got the one inside. the house, which is so cool because that is the original, like, I mean, we were only there for maybe the first 25 or 50 episodes, maybe something like that. Yeah, we were there only for four months. Yeah, so, so maybe 25, 50 episodes where we are there. And I remember, we are always like,

Starting point is 00:34:29 we're never going to record this. Like, we don't, we didn't think we'd ever be on camera. And so the fact that you've got that is, it's kind of wild. You can tell by our outfits. We, we definitely, so, so this is an interesting split too, because Doug and Justin aged well. You and I, bro, we went, what happened to us? We just accelerated the aging process. They don't say anything. These two guys are more handsome. No, 100%.

Starting point is 00:34:55 We went backwards. Yeah, well, I mean, Justin's got a glorious mustache. He's got a beautiful rack of teeth now. He's more jacked. That's what I'm competing with. You know what I'm saying? Like, I lost my hair. Just a downplay, downplay, downplay.

Starting point is 00:35:08 I mean, I started out as the fat guy. Of course I got to get up from there. And then Doug's like Benjamin Button over here. Yeah, what's going on? reverse aging. He's sucking the youth out of me or something. I'm looking at it like, oh, my God. Why do you think I wanted to work with younger guys?

Starting point is 00:35:23 Oh, man, you did suck. Gangly teeth, fat. A lot of fat. You got a lot of fat. You ate you ate me. You looked like you ate him. And it took me age. It made me age faster.

Starting point is 00:35:35 I don't think that's what made you age faster. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't ever remember. thinking that I thought you looked small, but you look small in that, in comparison. I mean, like, I don't ever feel like I remember being like, oh, your voice is like way more deep and booming now. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:56 It's all your voice is changed. I think that's calmness. You think so? Yeah, yeah. I mean, we all, I think we're all pretty clear of puberty. So I don't think that happened. Puberty did happen. I think that what you hear is what nerves?

Starting point is 00:36:08 Yes. Yes. That's my opinion on it. I mean. So our voices got higher? So we're like, possible. Yeah. It's possible.

Starting point is 00:36:14 Talked faster. I think we swore more. We did. And we talked in a higher pitch because of the nerves. I was using a different recorder back then, too. So maybe that has some effect. I'll tell you some of my favorite moments at the anniversary party. One, Josh, after that video was done, whatever, Josh comes up and he broke down. And he was crying. Josh was one of our editors.

Starting point is 00:36:37 And it just, boy, just really touched me. At one point, my wife met some of her. She doesn't know all of our trainers. So she's, you know, meeting people. And Will's goes up to turn and he goes, I've been listening to this guy since I was 14. Like, oh my God, since we're 14. And now he's working for us. Now he's working for us.

Starting point is 00:36:53 Like those are formidable years to be listening to, you know. Oh, I think that's the only way that the training department works without us having to train ourselves every day, the people like you would before. Yeah. Is that indirectly, they've been trained by us for years. Because they listen so much. listen so much. So they have they have the philosophy and they have learned all that, which God, I would have, 1920 would have loved to had a podcast that I listened to like this. Because I think I would have been a way better trainer than what I was in my. So I think that's

Starting point is 00:37:30 what we're also feeling is that we've got this opportunity to get these trainers who were already listening and learning before they even met us personally. And so, and then of course, Kyle's incredible with, you know, he's been a great leader. and keeping that going and taking care of all them. Seeing all those old clips, too, it's been a long time. But it doesn't feel like it. No. It's gone by so fast.

Starting point is 00:37:55 Any memory seeing there that was like extra nostalgic for any of you guys? Oh, gosh. You know, I mean, not that I forgot about this, because I always think about this, but to see clips of us building programs together. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean, those were such great memories where we just get together and just,

Starting point is 00:38:14 write a new program, especially when we didn't have a lot of them. So we had to really think of new concepts and stuff. It was also us really learning. I mean, we somewhat knew each other and we're getting to know each other on the podcast early on. But as far as our expertise as trainers, trainer brains. It's so different too. Like, and so to think that to get three. We don't express that as much on the podcast. No. Yeah. We don't. We don't dive in yet unless you come in person and we're just talking about personal training exclusively. You don't really get a lot of that from us. So we're very, very different in a lot of different ways.

Starting point is 00:38:50 And so to see that come to, and it actually work. Because you would think you put three trainers with very different approaches and philosophies of training in the same room to create a single program. You would think there would be all kinds of dysfunction. And there was like arguing, but healthy arguing. Yeah. But it always made a better product at the end. That's the thing. A couple of things that happened too that were funny.

Starting point is 00:39:12 I had a lot of my friends from church that were there. And, of course, there's old clips of me smoking a joint. Justice telling a story. That was my favorite transition. I know. What a great transition. And Justice is talking about, we ate mushroom. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:25 Which actually, I was like, oh, man, I should have told the one where, like, you were glowing. Yes. And I was so mad. I was like, I told the wrong mushroom stories. I told them that story. I told them that story. But there was that. And at one point, I had a T-shirt on that was a quick clip.

Starting point is 00:39:41 And it wasn't the focus, but the chee shirt on it said, Darwin. And I'm like, oh. No way, I didn't even see that. I didn't even see that. I thought that was interesting to see, like, in the beginning with you with that shirt on. No way, I had missed that. Oh, yeah. Oh, I can't wait to go back and watch that.

Starting point is 00:39:56 And so I told, I mean, because they know that I was a hardcore atheist. I said, you guys know how, like, a hardcore of an atheist was? Yep. You were rocking a shirt that said. I don't even remember that. Yeah. What clip was that? Do you remember?

Starting point is 00:40:06 I was going to say something. Do you? I didn't catch it either. I didn't catch it either. The shirt that's the fish, but it has feet. No, I'm very familiar with the Darwin sign. You know what I'm saying? That people put in the back of their car.

Starting point is 00:40:15 You know, I'm very, but I don't even remember. So what was the clip where you? I don't remember what we were doing, but it was a very, it was a brief clip. And it was, that wasn't the focus. We were just talking. No, of course it was a focus. Yeah. But I didn't even catch it.

Starting point is 00:40:25 Yep. Oh, wow. Interesting. Yeah. That's so great. That was a good time. My wife wanted me making an announcement, by the way. She cut in line.

Starting point is 00:40:32 So she's so she's so, she's so, she's so, she's mad at me. Nobody cares. She cut in line when at the drink to get drinks. So she cut in line. So she comes back and then, and then Vicki comes back. She's like, you know,

Starting point is 00:40:41 you cut in line her for everybody. Oh, Vicky called her out. Mortified. Jessica's mortified. She's like, I just cut in front of a, people now think just because I'm your wife

Starting point is 00:40:49 I can cut in front. I'm like, no, honey. It was an accident. She came to Katrina. Like, who cares? You're the boss's wife? Yeah. She's the opposite.

Starting point is 00:40:55 Katrina just, just, keep cutting your leg. She was just tell him you're the boss's wife. She wanted me to get on, apologize for her. Oh my God. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:02 She's like, make sure you apologize for me. Nobody cares, babe. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah. I was watching her yesterday. I took some pictures.

Starting point is 00:41:10 She was playing. We went to the store. So we're doing the fig and eagle thing, right? That course for the staff. Yes. Yes. So Jessica and I met with Scott separately. And they've got some great coaching stuff.

Starting point is 00:41:22 And he told us something that I thought was really smart. He said, anytime you're going to give your kids something, attach your responsibility to it. And he said, And because oftentimes people, parents will give their kids things, like a treat or TV time or we'll go to the store and buy you a toy. He goes, that's a great opportunity to attach a responsibility to it. Otherwise, you run the risk of them becoming entitled.

Starting point is 00:41:45 But also, it's a great way to develop responsibilities. So her and I are like, oh, that's brilliant. So anytime they want a treat, I'll attach, like clean this up or do that to kind of build responsibility. Well, anyway, we went to the store yesterday. And then I'm like, let's try it out. So I was like, hey, you guys, we're going to go upstairs, and I'll let you guys pick a toy that's under 20 bucks, but then you have to do some work for it.

Starting point is 00:42:07 So that's what we did. So we picked out a toy. Anyway, long story short, my son picks a tank. He's like this military tank with stuff. So we come home and then we have him read a bunch of books for it, which he does, which is really cool. So then Jessica's playing tanks, the tank with him. And I'm watching her play a boy game.

Starting point is 00:42:22 And I'm just, dude, it is hilarious. It's all dialogue. Hey, Katrina already, like, she, Katrina defers right away. She's like, whenever he wants to do, like, something like that. She goes, I can't, I can't do it. Bro. It was all, I don't. It was all dialogue. I'm like, he doesn't care. Sounds. We're the. Oh, no. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:39 It goes back to the explosion noises every time. Like, like, men are just better at us. They can't. This was my wife's missile noise. Courtney knows too. Yeah. She's like, peep, peep, he's like, he's like, oh, mama. He's on mom, I'm shooting missiles at the monster. She's all, phew. I'm like, that's not a missile noise. I'll get a call from upstairs. Come down here, please. Yeah, yeah. But it was all dialogue. Hey, what are you doing? Like the soldiers was talking yourself. Oh, who are we fighting today?

Starting point is 00:43:03 Like they're sitting down having team. Can you be on my team? I'm like, babe, wait too much dialogue. Get to blow things up. Why are we even fighting? Let's say. Can we be on the same team? You know, that tip is very similar to the tip that I gave a while back.

Starting point is 00:43:16 Very similar. And it's worked with magic with Max, which is instead of saying no about, say, a treat or no, so say maybe watching TV or no is like, is always practicing like, yeah, you can after you do this thing. And so that's been like just awesome. Oh, so great. It's like instead of just being the hard know all the time about you can't do this thing, it's like, yeah, you can.

Starting point is 00:43:38 But first, you need to get upstairs and go clean your room after you clean your room. Then we can do that thing. I'll tell you something else that was brilliant, is speaking identity into your kids before bed. And so what it looks like, because a child will develop their identity, even teenage kids will start to develop an identity because you speak it into them. And so what it looks like is before bed, I'll sit with my son and we have a list of them

Starting point is 00:44:03 and it's like you are brave, you are smart, you are courageous, you are a blessing to this family or you are a blessing to everybody who knows you and so I'm going through these and he repeats and instead of saying you,

Starting point is 00:44:13 he says, I, and you can see it just light him up. And I even did this with my niece. It's great affirmation. I even knew with my niece who's 18. I went to room and did this and we knew it every night I have this little thing that I put on her door and we'll read it together

Starting point is 00:44:27 and you can just see that it just builds. Oh, I'm going to have to add that. I told you guys. I told you guys, was it off air or was it on air when I talked about what I would do with him every night now? Was it? Okay. So I thought I talked to you guys. Maybe if I apologize, if I brought on the podcast, but it's been now over a month that we've been doing this consistently.

Starting point is 00:44:44 And it's totally, I had to bring this up because I brought up one minute manager. It's like a page out of that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So every night. You did. You tell all the things he did that were. I find one thing that he did that day that I was proud of. And I just commend that.

Starting point is 00:44:58 And even last night, like, I want to make sure. sure it was sinking in. And so we were, we were actually reading in our bed with him. And I, and I was telling him something about something that he did really well. And then when we went back and when I tucked him into his bed, I said, hey, what did, what did daddy tell you that I was pregnant? And then he repeated it. I'm like, okay, good. It's like sinking in. And so that has been just an awesome thing. So I love that because I'm already, I can easily pair it with that because I'm already doing this thing. By the way, it's how powerful it is. And I'm sure you guys know this. When you're a kid and you hear something repeated about yourself, it starts to become your identity.

Starting point is 00:45:31 Like, oh, he's smart or, oh, he gets challenged with these things. Or he's the athletic one or whatever. And there may be some truth in that, but then it starts to become a part of your identity. So you can actually speak these. Yes. So to give you guys an example of the power of it, my niece, who's now living with us, she's very shy. She's very shy. But she's also very growth-minded.

Starting point is 00:45:51 And so one of the things I say to her is you are growth-minded. And I also say, you are very fun to be around. And the reason why I say that is because she's shy, saying that your growth-minded and you're fun to be around, I think we'll make her feel more courageous to go and talk with people and be around people. So awesome. No, it's a, it's a very powerful. And it's, I mean, listen, I know as a parent how easily we can get busy and the routine and, like, get into. I mean, it's, Katrina and I had to come together and agree that this is a practice that we're going to work on. And we, like, a lot of times when she's going upstairs, I'm like, hey, I wasn't with them as much as you were.

Starting point is 00:46:26 do you have a thing you're going to tell them? She'll be like, yeah, I got it. Or she'll be like, do you. And so it's an accountability thing for each other to just remember to do that. I mean, we're only 30 days in of doing that. Like, I can't wait to see what happens when we've been doing this consistently for a year. You know how long it takes to make a habit with a kid? Over 62 days.

Starting point is 00:46:45 Yeah. Okay. Which is another thing that I learned because you got to stay at something for a while. Yeah. Which is longer than you think. Yeah. Because sometimes, like, it's not working. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:46:54 You've got to stick with it for a little while. while before it becomes a habit. Anyway, Doug, can you look something up for me? Did you guys hear about those crypto scammers that got, got hit by organized crime bosses? No, no, no. There was a husband and wife. Doug, look up husband and wife killed in crypto scam or something like that. Oh, dude.

Starting point is 00:47:17 They scammed some mafia people? They scammed a lot of very wealthy people. And they were flaunting their vacations and how much money. they had, all this stuff. And I guess they got, I want to see how they were found. I think they were like very, I think they were portrait and very alive. Why Doug is looking this up? I don't, help me wrap my brain around this that, because for all the crypto people that

Starting point is 00:47:40 push it so hard and talk about how it's our future and all the things. Why so many people can scam and steal and mine. It's supposed to be so safe. I think they made their own coin, but I don't know. I'm not quite sure. Because I've heard of story after story like this of people scamming people out of their crypto or stealing their crypto. And I'm like, I thought this is supposed to be. And now you want the government involved?

Starting point is 00:48:05 Doug, look that up. You're the biggest gangsters involved? What does that say, Doug, about what happened to them? Yeah, so it's a couple. They, yeah, so they were forced to watch each other be tortured. And then they were buried in the desert. Oh, damn. I believe they were living in UAE.

Starting point is 00:48:23 at the time. Actually, there's another article I want to take a look at it. So, okay, so this is kind of breaking it down. Oh, that's grim. So, yeah, Roman Novak and his wife, Anna Novak were kidnapped, tortured, and murdered in the UAE in 2025, $500 million cryptocurrency scam. Who, 500 million. Yeah, they were found dismembered, wrapped in plastic in a remote location in the UAE.

Starting point is 00:48:49 Consequences, I suppose. The amount of greed, too, for you to go to, I bet, you know, something like that, you get away with $5, $10 million, you probably are fine. But because you just... You rip off big players? What's what I mean? You figure out a way to manipulate and win and steal, which is horrible, a couple million from people like that.

Starting point is 00:49:08 You probably get away, but you get greedy and you keep going, and then you start getting bigger fish, bigger... You're always looking over your shoulder. You get the wrong person who's tied. People with money have, you know, they have networks. This is kind of interesting. So they were reportedly lured into a rented vehicle. villa in the town, in the guise of meeting potential investors for their new business ventures.

Starting point is 00:49:29 They were then tortured for access to their crypto wallet credentials. When the assailants reportedly found the wallets were empty, they murdered the couple. Oh, boy. So now where's that $500 million? Like somewhere on the blockchain? Gone. Probably gone. Probably gone.

Starting point is 00:49:46 Yeah. But this couple was like super out there flaunting it, posting on social media. I mean, they really put themselves out. Oh, my goodness. Have you guys, have you guys, does anyone watch the, the Puff Daddy? No.

Starting point is 00:49:58 Dude. No, just like, Listen, that's our arrow. You, you have to. It uncovers all the Tupac did he. I thought I watched every documentary on that. So there's new stuff?

Starting point is 00:50:10 So we, oh, yes. Was there, there's like two out because one's definitely from 50 cent. The one from 50 cent is the one that's the tell all. Yeah. And the, that's on Netflix. So what's up with 50s?

Starting point is 00:50:19 He's just hate them. 50 cents. Dude, I am 50 cent fan. Keeping receipts. Yes. He was aware of Puff Daddy for a long time, and I think he's just been collecting until, you know, he had enough to really.

Starting point is 00:50:31 Very few people. He did. Back him up. Was he had been, he knew about it, like many people in the industry did, just everybody was afraid of him. I mean, the fact that he's responsible for so many murders and deaths, and he had so much power to get. The amount of things that he got away with that I was unaware of is crazy. so and it just after you see all of it it's the whole biggie two pock that all that's all clear clear as day so he for sure did all that yeah like not him personally like he he ordered yeah he ordered it

Starting point is 00:51:02 he had it happen and like and biggie too yes oh wow he all he ushered biggie's to his death like the without rooting the whole thing because there's a lot to this and i don't i won't share too much for the audience that we'll go watch it but there there's a there's a part and i know you guys we all grew up in this so you remember when that was the height of that beef and Tupac had already had already been shot the first time when he got shot right and and they knew that it was the they knew it was some tied back to the East Coast guys and everything like that and Puffy and what you I didn't realize I saw so much footage of Tupac and Biggie and how what close of friends they actually were they were they were tight they were like real tight like before Biggie was big Tupac used to let him open up to

Starting point is 00:51:46 all his shows oh and so they were boys and Biggie didn't want nothing to do with this beef that was that was getting heightened. And Puff takes Biggie to do it after the murder of Tupac. And basically everybody on the West Coast is saying, don't you dare step foot in East Coast, he decides he's going to go to West Coast to launch Biggie's next album that's coming, which is Life After Death, which wasn't named Life After Death at this point, because he had died yet, takes him out there.

Starting point is 00:52:17 they do a whole music thing with, I think, source or what about that. Half the people, okay, this is when everybody loves him, but knows that Tupac is killed and their responsible are booing them on stage because you're in L.A. of all the places to be, okay, on the West Coast. I remember that. Right after, yes. Oh, they, they, like, you could tell. They were unwanted there.

Starting point is 00:52:38 Biggie was on a flight to go to London the next day. And that his, their manager had set up, they'd been working on this for years. He was going to be the first rapper in the United States. States to basically do a press run in the UK. He was excited to go. He wanted to go. He wanted to go. He wanted nothing to do with this beef.

Starting point is 00:52:54 He was scared to be in L.A. And Puffy shut it down and says, no, no, no, no. He's staying here. We're going to throw a party in their backyard. And so they threw a party in, in, in, down to. So we created the environment for him to go. 100%. Wow.

Starting point is 00:53:07 And that's the night he got shot in the car as soon as he went out. Wow. Yeah, dude. Yeah. So there's way more to it. But it's like the amount of people. And all the gross stuff. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:16 Yeah. I had a baby oil I was so tired from the party the next day and Max went over to his his aunt's house Katrina's sister to decorate the tree and do their they do a traditional thing where they do they make cookies all day long together and stuff like that

Starting point is 00:53:33 and so she had a day on the couch yeah yeah so had a day on the couch and Katrina and I were like we were supposed to do a drive and all stuff that she's like what do you feel like I'm honestly like I'm gonna I'm gonna melt in this couch today and she's just like I'm with you it's like and it's just us and we're like nice I haven't like binge watch television like that in like so long but I felt so gross all day the rest of the day

Starting point is 00:53:53 like I woke up still like I gotta get that like yeah like it was so I mean it sucked me in so bad that I I bench the whole thing but then the the feeling of afterwards of like now that I know all the stuff like just disgusting like such a evil bad person do I want to hear about Justin the Campbell soup oh you'll hear about that I read it my Hot Mike, yeah. So I don't know who was recording him or like how this kind of came out. But basically he was recorded. So this is the CEO of Campbell Soups.

Starting point is 00:54:30 And was like he was talking about it like, you know, his customers. He was talking trash about his customers being like, you know, I don't even know who buys this stuff. And like talking about them being like, you know, poor trash and all this kind of stuff. and yeah, yeah, like really, really bad stuff to where it's like, there's no way he can come back from this because, like, if it's out and like people know, you know, he said this about his own customer base, like, they had to do.

Starting point is 00:55:00 Yes, yeah. Did they ax him right away? Yeah, I don't know the follow-up. That was like... Doug, can you see what he said? What? This was a while ago I put it in there. So I need all the details.

Starting point is 00:55:09 They had to. If he's just a CEO, he's not the founder, just a CEO. You, for sure, acts that guy. The lack of integrity for you. for somebody to represent a company that they don't believe in. Yes, that was the biggest thing. Like, yeah, he doesn't even believe in his product.

Starting point is 00:55:23 I know that happens all times. It doesn't help. It's probably more common than it is not. I couldn't do it. I could not work for a company that I did not believe in. It would be impossible. Most these CEOs that come into a situation like that,

Starting point is 00:55:35 it's purely a dollar thing. It's how much am I going to get paid, looking at the P&Ls, realizing what I can cut costs. I wonder if he was brought in from the outside. Probably. What did say they did? They called it shit for poor people. People.

Starting point is 00:55:47 Shit for poor people. Yeah. Yeah. So he was fired. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Hopefully.

Starting point is 00:55:53 I see that. I bet you he was a, he wasn't a founder. He was somebody who was brought in like many big companies that size. Isn't Campbell's owned by a bigger corporation? I'm not sure, but they were, they were like probably a hundred plus year old company. Yeah, they've been around forever. Aren't they in one of Warren Buffett's portfolios? I think he's got them in like Kraft and all those are all Campbell, I think are all.

Starting point is 00:56:16 So that's. a major fail. Joseph A. Campbell, isn't he, is there more about him? I don't know. I don't think, is that the founder of Campbell's suit? Yeah, he is the founder of Campbell soon. Wait, isn't there something else about him? Let me make sure it's soup.

Starting point is 00:56:27 No, I don't think that's soup, dude. I think that's another guy. That is another. Yeah, it's Joseph, Joseph Campbell, yeah. Okay, all right. Not the hero of the 1902. Oh, is that? That's, yeah, Joseph Campbell.

Starting point is 00:56:42 Didn't that Joseph Campbell? I think it's Joseph. Maybe a different one. Yeah. that's a yeah it's an author I know who you're talking about. He talks a lot about like myths and legend.

Starting point is 00:56:51 Oh, Heroes Journey. Heroes Journey. Yes, that's who I thought that was. No, but I was going to say too, there was another big fail of like a company,

Starting point is 00:56:58 which this one's a little more amusing. So Waymo, the automatic cars. Like, so I think it's in New York, but had a massive fail. Like there was a standoff, like a live action standoff between,

Starting point is 00:57:11 you know, the cops and this potential, I don't know if they're, in a car or whatever, but, like, came out and it, like, guns were pulled and everything. And you see this waymo, like, stop it at this corner. And they're right at the corner. And it just stops at the light and then starts turning right into it. It's just basically driving right through an active shooting standoff.

Starting point is 00:57:34 Is there a person in the back sea? Yes. Oh, God, dude. Could you imagine? Didn't think about that when we got to the AI. Like, ooh, what's happening here? Didn't think about that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:42 Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, that's it is. You imagine the back of the car? Well, think about that. It's like when you're, they're programming all this stuff. It's like,

Starting point is 00:57:48 well, what happens when there's like a shootout in the middle of it? They didn't anticipate that. Like, they're going to have to figure that out. Like, if there's, you know,

Starting point is 00:57:54 police, they must have to like, like integrate the scanning or something to like, they're going to have to have some sort of shut off, like a shutoff thing or like, that's interesting. So, okay,

Starting point is 00:58:03 talking about AI since we've been talking so much about it. We got a chance, I got a chance or Kyle and I met this guy, um, at the school event when we went there. And it was a really good conversation. I mean, his whole, he's been an AI, his like his whole life.

Starting point is 00:58:17 And so I was talking about the dead internet theory and like, what are your thoughts on all that? And he's actually really hopeful and positive that we're just in this weird transition right now. And it's actually going to swing really hard back the other way as his production. So he's like, right now there's not a lot of guardrails on it. And it's kind of the Wild Wild West. And there's everybody's using all these AI tools. And he goes, we're already seeing it. Feeling it like this like raw, authentic, real, getting back to people is already starting to trend.

Starting point is 00:58:52 And he goes, and people are caring less and less about the artificial intel. Already my whole feed on some of my social media, the ads. Yeah. No, and from somebody who's in it, right? And that's he makes his money, teaching others. I could see that. So when I. So could I.

Starting point is 00:59:07 Because when I go through on my feed, ads will pop up. And every ad now is AI. There are every single ad is a I can tell it's AI Even the video I can tell it's AI Which at some point we won't be able to it's not indistinguishable Yeah because it's so cheap you can make ads super cheap with AI So it's and it's all over the place So at some point I think people are going to want to know something's real

Starting point is 00:59:28 Which I don't know how they're going to do that because AI well I think it's going to be I actually think that less Less produced I can look that way I mean even so Josh so our team right so when we when we shoot content our team puts it all together and we were all in like stations and when I was with Josh

Starting point is 00:59:46 the stuff that he said I want you to shoot is like I want you to start with your phone and like like so people see you holding your phone and then put it down and then I just want you to no script no nothing. Here's my point with this Adam is that you're not going to be able to tell it.

Starting point is 01:00:01 AI will be able to make it look not produced and real is my point my point is that you're not going to be able to tell the only way and I don't know maybe I'm wrong but the only way will be if ads have people that people already know are real, established people. You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, I know who that is.

Starting point is 01:00:19 That person's been around for a while. Because new ads? Well, I think that's the point I'm making is why, okay, we're already established as real, right? Well, so that may work in some, like, our favor. That's what I mean. And that's why he was going that direction is like, this will make every, this is, I mean, they'll know you're on a rant, fumbling with your words, your system. Like, he's like, I don't want any, like, here's, I'm just going to give you a thing

Starting point is 01:00:38 that I want you to talk about and then just go. And then I'm like, okay. And so it is. It's like that. It's me holding you. Then you see me set the phone down and then I go on a random whatever he tells me about or like what he wants me to talk about. And again, everything off the cuff. I think it's the point of it and why that's trending is because we're getting away from less and less produced. Even people that are already known. It's like they're making it look less produced. They're making it look less produced for that reason because it's like people don't, they don't want to question it. So if we get fancier, more edited, more whatever. They might question. And they go like, oh, is that really Adam? I mean, I had somebody I was commenting back and forth with on Instagram, and they're like, is this really you? I'm like, of course it's me. Like, it's my Instagram. Like, I don't have anybody like.

Starting point is 01:01:19 So that, I mean, that's what people are already starting to do that now. I get that because you do get that from other people that are marketers especially where you'll DM them and then they'll, you'll respond to you as themselves. It's not them. Yeah. You know, and so there's that, like, impersonal feeling you get from that. Yeah, it was just, it was good to hear it from somebody who's in the industry that, like, teaches other people how to, like, and, go like, and I'm telling him that that was my thing. He's like, no, he's like, we're going to

Starting point is 01:01:45 go. And you see some companies already putting the guardrails on. Like, you know what a YouTube came out and did, right? So you made it to where artificially intelligent platforms cannot pretty... They can't monetize. And so it's only a matter of time where these, where, if it starts to really dominate and go the dead

Starting point is 01:02:01 internet theory or way, I think that you'll start to see guardrails from the platforms. I think the platforms will come out and be like, okay. They will, but they'll be an AI. What they'll do is they'll suppress the AI stuff. And then the And I'm sure they'll be able to put... I agree. They'll be able to...

Starting point is 01:02:14 They can already tell... Like, they have the software and the capabilities. The average I will not be able to tell if it's AI generated. But you cannot tell me we can't... They'll have AI detecting AI. That's right. They'll have AI detecting AI. And then they'll suppress that content and authentic content...

Starting point is 01:02:26 But you'll have AI platforms, I think. You'll have a competing YouTube with just AI content. And then we'll see what people pick. And the government will have the ultimate version of it. Great. The arbitrators of truth. And he never know... Don't worry if it has a seal of the government.

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Starting point is 01:03:03 On that link, you'll get a free sample pack of their most popular drink mixed flavors with any purchase. Back to the show. Our first caller is Matt, Matt from New Hampshire. Matt, what's happening? What's going on, Matt? It's happening to Matt. Hey, guys. Thank you so much for having me on.

Starting point is 01:03:17 I really appreciate it. You guys have, honestly, over the last four or five years I've been listening to, you've really changed my life. I can't even express that enough. So I'll get to my question. To keep it short,

Starting point is 01:03:30 how do I put together a group workout that doesn't suck? I'm a full-time firefighter. You guys recently inspired me to get my NASM-CPT, to help me give the skills and bring a better fitness culture to the fire departments in my area. Workouts as a group in my experience just over the years being full time has really been the only way that I found most effective to get people actually moving together consistently.

Starting point is 01:03:57 So just looking to see what I can do to help those be more effective and not be, you know, your typical sucky ones. There's two ways I would do this. So I'm curious to how the guys if they agree or not. Either one, it would be heavily mobility focused. So it would be very similar to, and this is what I've encouraged a lot of trainers that do teach classes, is to watch the Prime Pro webinar I did, which is about a 50 minute video where I warm them up before we start with body weight squats,

Starting point is 01:04:30 just those they can see and feel their movement. Then I take them through a series of mobility movements, and then they squat at the end and can really feel the difference of their movement. So that's one way I would do a group class. The other way I would do a group class is focused on a single movement the entire hour. So in other words, it would be a combination of priming and mobility to get everybody's bodies ready to squat. And we're all going to, we're going to squat today. And we're going to do combat stretch, 9090s, prime the body, go through a couple practice movements, then load the body.

Starting point is 01:05:03 Like, it would be all around a movement. And I'm taking my time kind of watching. watching everybody and everybody's doing it. That's how I would do a class now. I would not do what I did when I was in my 20s, which is, you know, battle ropes and dumbbells and jump ropes and sprints and a bunch of circuit bullshit. Matt, to be clear, these are firefighters you're working with.

Starting point is 01:05:27 Yes. Okay. And this is not mandatory for them. They're showing up because they want to do it. Yeah, exactly. So my goal is to, you know, start putting on monthly just, free group classes traveling around to area departments. Okay.

Starting point is 01:05:41 And now I've had a lot of friends that were firefighters. And they're all pretty active. Most firefighters work out. They have a fitness routine. I think you would make a mistake trying to work them out in a group class. I think a mobility class would be the most valuable possible thing you could give them. And they would keep coming back for more because it would make them feel better with their normal workouts. With all the stuff that they're doing, they'll feel better in their joint.

Starting point is 01:06:07 They'll move better. It'll improve their strength. I think it should be zero workout all mobility and correctional. And people are going to show up for that. How many guys typically and how big is the workout space or gym you're using that matters too? Because I could think of some other creative things. Yeah, it's going to vary wildly. I mean, at my own department, I mean, if we have, if I get my whole shift in the firehouse, it's, you know, five of us.

Starting point is 01:06:36 And we have a pretty decent space, whether it be out in the apparatus bay or we do have a decent gym as well. But if I'm able to actually start bringing this to other departments, it's going to vary entirely on what they have and who they have. Yeah, because if you had all the major equipment, right, squat rack, bench press, a barbell row, something to deadlift, then I could see pairing guys up in stations. And it's like, you do, you do, yeah, you do three sets here. And then these two guys are doing three, and they're alternating. And that's building the rest period right there. So they have rest periods between each other.

Starting point is 01:07:12 You buddy them up. So at least you have accountability with one sort of checking form. And then you can kind of, you know, cruise around and at least like see how they're doing. And then coach, at least the guy watching, you know, specifically and what to do. But I mean, that's kind of how I had to handle like bigger groups of kids when I was training for football. But you'd keep the stations. it was very simple. It's like we're all doing bench. We're all doing squat. You know, we're all doing like the main lifts. And then, you know, sometimes I would group them in fours too.

Starting point is 01:07:45 So that way it's like you have this, you know, group over here. And I kind of have like a leader in there. I can count on. And so it, it's just a way to kind of at least, you know, give yourself more eyes. I'm going to keep pushing mobility because I know you guys get tested. You have to maintain a certain level of physicality, stamina, strength, whatever. Unless the issue you're trying to address are firefighters who aren't consistent with their exercise. But I would bet that if you focused on mobility, because a lot of these guys are working out,

Starting point is 01:08:19 a lot of these people are working out on their own anyway, that if you focused on mobility, that they would keep coming back. Because they would do it, they would feel good, oh my God, and it'll just improve all the other stuff they do on the road. I mean, in a perfect world, they do the mobility class with you, and then you recommend like MAPS 15 to them.

Starting point is 01:08:37 That's it. And then they, on their own during the week, it's like, this is what you do for the week. You need to get these two exercises in every day. Then when you see me for that hour, I'm going to take you through a full mobility session. And that would be a great prescription right there.

Starting point is 01:08:51 That's it. And if they're confused with that, maybe that's where you step in. You can at least have one day where you're teaching them these major lifts so that they can apply them correctly, you know, on their own doing the Mass 15 style.

Starting point is 01:09:02 but I agree with Sal, like the most valuable thing you could possibly do is, you know, take them through those. I just think you'll have, you'll just have people showing up for it. That's a great way to kind of do this also. It's like you have this mobility class and maybe one, like 10 minutes of the hour or 15 minutes, I'm focusing on just teaching the technique to some of these lifts because I've heard from feedback from the guys like, oh man, my shoulder's bothering me when I bench or something like that. And so maybe what I do is I go 40, minutes of like mobility and then I'm like hey today you guys I wanted to spend a little bit of time with you

Starting point is 01:09:37 really addressing technique around bench press and then like and that debt and then you then you set them on their way and then like a couple weeks go by and you're like hearing some guys oh my low back is driving me crazy when I deadlifted. Am I doing it wrong? Hey guys today at the end of our mobility session I'm going to go get into this show some deadlift techniques and so you're really sending them off on their own to do the the real strength training like a maps 15 protocol you're doing a lot of the mobility work and then saving the time at the end of the hour to address what you're hearing from the feedback of that of that fire station. And it's going to be unique to each one. Like some guys are going to maybe be dealing with different pain or different techniques. And if you're

Starting point is 01:10:16 traveling around, you're going to be visiting like a station once a week, once every the week. What does that frequency look like? Yeah. So honestly, I haven't been able to get this up off the ground yet. So it's just very early stages. So I have no idea what this frequency is going to be. I mean, ideally, I'd love for it to be a relatively frequent thing. But yeah, I'm still working on getting that. I mean, I think if you, so here's a thing with mobility. You feel it right away. Like you do a workout. Okay, I don't know. It was hard. I sweat. You know, that was fun. But you do mobility right afterwards. People are, oh, my gosh, I feel so much better. Can you come back again next week? It's the, it's an immediate value. I mean, if you're connected.

Starting point is 01:10:57 to all these fire stations. I mean, there's a business right here waiting to happen. I mean, and I don't know what you call yourself, like, you know, the fitness coordinator for all fire stations, right? And what I do is I come in to your station and you... Extinguisher. What is stupid?

Starting point is 01:11:12 That's a terrible name. That's a terrible name to listen to. Just trying to think fire related. Something else with that name. Come on, guys. Backdraft. Another dad. That's another bad name. Okay. I know Matthew, you'll come up with a better name than these guys. But my point is you you pitch this as you're only going to you're only paying for me to come in one day a week

Starting point is 01:11:32 but what I'm going to do is map out these guys entire month of fitness and I'm coming in and check in them once a week that way you can manage five six different stations potentially in a week and you're coming in that day and that day is like Sal saying it's mobility focused with the last 10 to 20 minutes of like addressing the concerns of the previous week like how's everybody feeling how's how's the MAPS 15 program going how's everybody feel on the techniques and like maybe everybody's all good and everybody's like awesome no problems and then all you do is mobility and keep them on track but you're going to probably have some that are just like man my blowback bothers me every time my deadlift or my shoulders and then you use that time to address those

Starting point is 01:12:10 concerns to teach around that and that's all you're doing is kind of coming in once a week and guiding do you have prime pro map map i do actually yeah i have uh prime and prime pro uh performance and uh and glp one from uh when i was going through my own weight loss yeah so that use prime pro and prime and put together a good 45-minute mobility routine. I think that would be a great place. Have you seen the webinar I did a long time ago? Did you ever watch that webinar yet? Okay, so watch that.

Starting point is 01:12:39 You literally steal it. I know. It's a perfect class. I teach the cues. And the most important part is how I'm queuing the camera. Watch that, like literally rip right off of that and use that. Like, that's a perfect 45, 50-minute mobility class. From head to toe, I address the major movements.

Starting point is 01:12:55 You can put a little spin on it yourself. but why. I already made it. So use that as your guide. And then again, I would just leave a little bit of room to address what's going on the week. And then use, if you don't, do you have math 15 yet? I don't have maps 15.

Starting point is 01:13:10 Okay, so we'll send that to you. So use that as your staple program for these guys. You guys are crazy. What you got? Backdraft mobility. You guys came up with that. Only fire movie we know. That's good.

Starting point is 01:13:24 Awesome. Thank you guys so much. I really appreciate this. This went a completely different direction, actually, than I expected. And I've been listening to you guys a long time. I thought I kind of already had an idea. And you guys really surprised me on this. I appreciate it.

Starting point is 01:13:36 Well, if you actually implement it, I want you to call back in and let us know, one, how's it going? Two, what you named it. Awesome. We'll do. All right. All right. Thank you, guys. Happy holidays.

Starting point is 01:13:47 See you. Yeah. Yeah. The important thing to consider is the demographic. And firefighters, they tend to work out. They all get tested. They all be, so if you're showing up to give them a workout, there's some value there, but you show up to show mobility. They're going to ask you back.

Starting point is 01:14:03 They're going to want you to come back. You're going to feel good right out the game. Yeah, it's just selling them on it. Oh, yeah. Manly dudes, they're like, oh, yeah. I'd be interested to see, I have no idea what his relationship is with all these people. Like, hopefully he has that kind of respect because I imagine most firehouses kind of have their. They're going to give them shit out of yoga.

Starting point is 01:14:25 Yes, dude. kind of have their own thing. Like a lot of the guys do CrossFit or a lot of guys listen to show and do their own master. It is the best for him, though, 100%. But that would be, I mean, if he could... One class, they'd be sold.

Starting point is 01:14:34 Hey, if he could sell that and that be a thing, like, one, it would be really inexpensive to only have to pay for him once a week to come in. And he's laying everything. I'm sorry, I can't help this. These names are horrible. It just keeps coming.

Starting point is 01:14:50 Horrible. I'm just picturing the class is just training like crazy. It's amazing. We came up with Mindbone. Justin's walking around. You feel the burned. with a fire shield. I got an excuse.

Starting point is 01:14:59 Yeah, dude. Our next caller is John from Australia. What's up, John? How you doing, John? What's happening? Hey, fellas, how are you going? Good. How are you doing?

Starting point is 01:15:07 Good, man. Not too bad. This is pretty weird, but here we are. Okay. How can we help you? It's weird for us too, bro. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:15:13 We're all digital. I'll just read off a quick little thing I've got. I won't go for too long here, but I've been listening for about seven years now. I just want to say a huge. Thank you for all the information you guys continues to give out, Frank. I have well and truly drunk the Kool-Aid. I've bought an eighth sleep. I drink L-M-N-T every day.

Starting point is 01:15:34 Always stocked up on Palo Valley meat sticks. And I've got a jub light as well. Nice. Let's go. Let's get in it. Yeah, I was slut for it. What else can we sell? We got another spot here for you.

Starting point is 01:15:47 What else can we sell you, John? Crammed things in your house. I'll take it. He said slut. He did. I'm mine of yet. Unfortunately, they don't sell magic spoon. in Australia. That's the only one I'm filthy about.

Starting point is 01:15:58 That's all of these things. I've made a huge difference in my health and fitness. I'd like to thank you guys for all your wisdom. It's truly helped me improve my quality of life tenfold. Now, that being said, there is one piece of advice in the whole seven years I think's been the most helpful, and I have to thank Adam specifically for this. Your dishwasher stack.

Starting point is 01:16:23 Still range. I'm putting this on his tombstone. Yeah. Save me so much time. I'll never stack a dishwasher the same again. But I'll get to my question. So I recently got a blood test and uploaded the results to chat GPT.

Starting point is 01:16:39 So it gave me a protocol of supplementation to follow each day. But I wanted to know if you guys could foresee any issues with that. Well, there's definitely issues with chat GBT that. Well, hold on. You're comparing chat GPD to three personal trainers for your blood test. So just the thing that I want before we even get into what it said and all stuff like that, just be careful. I mean, we've been going down this kind of AI rabbit hole. And so I brought up, I don't know if you heard on the show, my brother-in-law was asking chat GBT questions regarding like the dangers of taking hormone replacement therapy and all this stuff.

Starting point is 01:17:17 And it was me who actually recommended for him to get on it because he had very low tests and was causing all these other side effects and problems. And the way he prompted chat GBT is like, can HRT be dangerous? And because the way he prompted it, it gave him like this whole host of things that looked really scary. I can turn right back around. It reinforces your bias. And what I had to explain to him was like, because he's like, I'm getting off this. This is terrible. I'm like, you're an idiot.

Starting point is 01:17:41 It's not terrible. You're better and you're healthier by having healthy hormones. I said, now prompt it like this. How dangerous is it for a male my age to have low testosterone? own and what are all the potential side effects and then a whole list of all bad shit and so it's like how you prompt this thing can really determine how it feeds back to you that information so i would just caution you with that because you could sit you could literally just tweak a couple ways of how you set that prompt up and it give you a whole host of different uh answers so all right so let's let's

Starting point is 01:18:14 let's talk about the blood test and the and what it said what did it tell you should we should get the blood test first and see if you would recommend some more yeah well let's see don't tell I mean, I don't know. We'll see if we give better advice. Do you have the results, Doug? Did he send them to us? I don't have them now. What are the supplements that recommended to you?

Starting point is 01:18:32 So I asked, I suppose down to the prompting, right, I asked a daily supplementation to improve energy and just like that kind of thing. So the morning, it was like morning afternoon and night. Morning was stuff I'm kind of already taking. It was like creatine, CO-10. Yep. and some other stuff. I'm just trying to remember.

Starting point is 01:18:54 The middle of the day was like a B vitamin complex, which is obviously helping with that as well. And then the nighttime was like magnesium glycinate and some other things to kind of help, you know, calm the nervous system, I suppose. So it was like a daily kind of thing.

Starting point is 01:19:08 But overall it said like your results are great, blah, blah, blah. But again, I wondered if that's just chatypte. Yeah, it gave you a pretty general protocol. Yeah, it's pretty general. Yeah, pretty general. Yeah, exactly right.

Starting point is 01:19:20 But it was interesting. because I do jiu-jitsu as well, and I kind of saw neck, and I was taking some, like, Voltara. Do you guys have that? Yeah, I know what that is. Yeah, it's like, yeah, and then in the, like, the bottom line, it said, this is all really good. However, just be careful that you're taking like N sets, is that we call them? Yep.

Starting point is 01:19:38 Yep. Yeah, and it was like, I detected that, and I hadn't taken that for like a week and a half. So it was still in my system and it still picked that up as well. Well, it picked it up from your blood test? Yeah. Because I didn't put anything in there. saying that I had that. What would your blood test show that you were taking ibuprofen?

Starting point is 01:19:55 Because that's what it's gotten at. Yeah, exactly. I don't know. So, like, when I did the blood test, I got six pages of data. And obviously, I don't really know what I'm looking at. Okay. So that's why I punched into chat GPT to, like, you know, process at all. So my question for you is, because you would not know that you were taking an insed based off of a blood test.

Starting point is 01:20:14 There's no way to know that unless you had kidney issue, liver issue, in which case, it could be a lot of different things. The question I have is how often you use chat GBT? Because they're very, they remember the things you, like you could ask your chat GBT. It'll guess things about you based off of previous conversations, searches. If you're searching things for jiu-jitsu and fitness and your web searches, it could very, it'll know if you're using something or not. Because I don't know of any blood test that doesn't specifically test for insed or let's say kidney or liver. function, which you would have been flagged, your blood tests would come back with liver enzymes or kidney function, but also typically inseds aren't the first thing that people look at at

Starting point is 01:21:00 something else. Nonetheless, that would be very strange for it to say, oh, I know you're taking... It's watching you, dude. Do you know if you've inputted that? Did you input... I may have input some stuff for DGISD you're asking best techniques for shorter, strong guy. Yeah. Because it'll guess things about you. You can watch people say, hey, who am I? And how many kids in it knows all these different things? What does that say, Doug? Yeah, some blood tests actually can detect ensigns. We keep going into what they're looking for.

Starting point is 01:21:34 Measure the concentration of specific inseds like max proxin or ibuprofen in the body. Yeah, that's what I thought. So unless you specifically got tested for inseds, non-starroidal anti-inflammatories, your blood tests wouldn't show that. So, yeah. Alter liver, enzymes, blood loss. Yeah. Yeah, directly. Okay. Huh.

Starting point is 01:21:55 You have to test directly. But Volterin is a, it's a topical. Justin's right. Chat, GBT, BT's listening and following you, bro. Yeah, I don't doubt that. Yeah, yeah. I use it for work from a high school history teacher, so I often find it's wrong with stuff. Like, it actually gets really specific things wrong.

Starting point is 01:22:12 Yeah. So that's why I wondered, like, is it getting this kind of stuff wrong? I mean, the supplements advice is general. Very general. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. No blood test. Like, that's the typical...

Starting point is 01:22:21 I would stick surface with it, yeah. Yeah. And what it's, what it recommended is nothing wrong with it. Yeah, yeah. It's all good stuff. Yeah, that's all good stuff and it would help. But yeah, I would just caution.

Starting point is 01:22:31 But you already know. Get a physician to go through it. You've already seen it screw up in your own field. And that's why I caution people. That was the first red flag for me when my brother-in-law did that. I was like, oh, shit, that's terrible advice. And it was the opposite of what I gave him. I know that's wrong.

Starting point is 01:22:44 But I use an AI and I, I, And I never put in my name and never put anything. He said, do you know who I am? And it knew everything. Yeah. It was all based off my questions or something. So really weird. Yeah, it stores a lot of information for sure.

Starting point is 01:22:59 So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can I hear you with one question now? Yeah. Sure. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:03 When are you guys coming to Australia? Oh, man. When you guys don't have any more spiders? Spiders are too big, well. There's been. I heard that. I heard that. They're more inland, though, right?

Starting point is 01:23:11 If you're on the coast, it's not too bad. I heard you guys say that the day about the spider with the rat. Yes. Like, I've never said that by life. If you stick to the cities, you'll be fine. You could Google that shit, dog. So you don't know that just, yeah. You can Google Australia fucking spider carrying around.

Starting point is 01:23:30 You'll come right up through the toilet. Every thing is poisonous over there. Even the koala bears, don't they have gonorrhea? I heard they have a... I actually do, yeah. I think they have chlamydia. Oh, yeah. Justin found out.

Starting point is 01:23:43 A little interesting. You know, we have a good list. listenership out there and we've always wanted to make it out there. Yeah, for sure. All joking aside, that's got, that's one of the places we go. Yeah, we'll get out there. We've got a lot going on right now. Create an event and give us a reason.

Starting point is 01:23:57 How about that? Okay. There we go. Perfect. Yeah, yeah. Rally the troops for us. Yeah. Start something.

Starting point is 01:24:03 Yeah, man. Well, we appreciate you. There's anything I can send you? Do you get all of our programs? I bought maps anabolic a long time ago. I've got that one. But that's actually all I got. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 01:24:14 What's your goals right now? What do you want to do? We're going to get you something. I'm strength trying like three times awake and like kind of jujitsu two or three as well So I'm just trying to survive really Mass 15 performance

Starting point is 01:24:25 Send it to him right now That would be perfect for jiu jitsu Yeah yeah Cool Thank you very much Appreciate that You got it dude All right John

Starting point is 01:24:31 Thanks for calling in Thanks guys all the best Take easy Who We gotta work on our commercials Who is he He's got all of our sponsors One program

Starting point is 01:24:41 Yeah wow This is backwards This is back It's not right It's backwards financially for us. What actor is that his voice sounds just like him? Who's a famous actor from Australia?

Starting point is 01:24:54 I can't think of his name right now. Thor. What's his name? Chris Hemsworth. Yeah, Chris Hemsworth. Oh, I guess so. Yeah, before he came on it. I could hear him talking to Doug.

Starting point is 01:25:03 I was like, oh, the hell of stuff. I'm saying Gerard Butler or something. He's Scottish, right? I'm on the right place, right? I don't know. It's a Chad GBT. These AIs are very interesting with this kind of stuff. And they do know things about you.

Starting point is 01:25:18 Yeah. And they'll tell you things. You should ask it. Anybody using it, ask it, say, do you know me? You think it just like clears after like you ask. No, it, like stores that. And then it does. Do you know, I heard a stat yesterday.

Starting point is 01:25:29 This is a little off topic. But under the age, I want to say 25 or 30, 40% of people have tried to have some sort of a relationship with, 40%? 40. It was a crazy. Huge number. a huge number.

Starting point is 01:25:47 Like have attempted like a romantic relationship with AI. Our next caller is Jessica from Colorado. Hi, Jessica. Hi, Jessica. Hi, guys. How are you doing? Good. How are you guys?

Starting point is 01:26:00 Very good. Very good. How can we help you? Excellent. So first of all, I'd like to thank you, like, I'd just like to thank you for all the free knowledge I've gotten from you. I wouldn't be where I am in my journey without your podcast. Just know that I've contributed to a lot of your watch hours.

Starting point is 01:26:14 and my quality of life has only become better for it. Wow. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. How can we help you? For sure. So currently I am doing maps anabolic, but without the trigger sessions, because I'm tired

Starting point is 01:26:28 enough with that, because I'm kind of a new lifter. Maybe next round I can do it with the trigger session. So I have a few of her programs, but I started with GLP-Tresepotide shots about a year ago on October 1, 2024. Since then, I lost 50 pounds. And I wasn't working out. When I started, I was barely walking 1,500 steps a day and not working out. I'm 42 years old, 53.5 in height.

Starting point is 01:26:57 That 0.5 is important. They basically started at 218 pounds when I started taking the meds, and then I went all the way down to 159 pounds without any exercise. After that, I was just lighter. I was able to move more. I felt better. So I started weight training about three months ago. And in three months, like, I've gained 10 pounds.

Starting point is 01:27:22 So, you know, like, but now, like, I'm around, like, no, I'm actually 180. So, like, I've gained about 20 pounds since in these three months, which is crazy. And I've just concerned that I've gained, like, so much weight, even though I look leaner. I sent you guys before after pictures. So since I've gained the weight. I went from size 12 genes to size 8 genes, even though I've gained 20 pounds. And I also started 15 grams of creatine when I started lifting weight. So a little bit of it is probably water weight.

Starting point is 01:27:56 But the problem is that I'm just getting more hungry. And recently I went on 2,600 calories from 2,400, but I'm still losing size. It's slowly, but it is happening. And my stomach's gone down a lot, as you can see. but my BMI is an obese category and I've finally gotten out of being the obese category and it only seems to be climbing up which is honestly it's like really stresses me out um so I guess my question is like such a big part of my life revolves around cooking and eating I really get exhausted of it and I try to because of the GLPs I don't have the food food noise so I do try to

Starting point is 01:28:34 eat healthy and I add easy calories like coconut water and sardines out of can and stuff but at the same time, like, you know, I get tired of eating, even though I don't have the food noise, I do feel like it's genuine hunger. So right now I'm walking 5,000 steps a day. My problem is that I don't want to eat anymore. Does, like, where does that threshold end of me being like, this is enough food? I won't have to eat anymore. And can I go up in fats because I just feel like cheese or whole milk would be easier?

Starting point is 01:29:08 I don't like that for you know. Let's first talk about how much you're crushing it right now. Your before and afters look amazing. Not only do your before and afterers, but even what you've told us the way this went, where you lost 50 pounds not doing anything just but by taking the JLP one, so you weren't strength training. So I'm assuming you dropped your calories dramatically,

Starting point is 01:29:29 and that's how you lost all that weight with the treaspetite. But then it sounds like you started to reverse diet and increased calories and start lifting weights. you added weight, but your waist has continued to go down. That is incredible. That means you are building muscle. You are building a metabolism. And what you feel is a faster metabolism.

Starting point is 01:29:50 And we want to feed that. If you are, if you're getting your trisepatide through a doctor, are you controlling the dosage? Yes. I am controlling. And by the way, I was only confident enough to do that after seeing your transformation Adam and like the Goldilocks zone and all of that. So thanks.

Starting point is 01:30:11 Awesome. Well, let me, let's let's put this all in a nutshell. Um, you've lost weight. You feel better. You're stronger. You gain some weight back, but you're smaller. Yes. Okay.

Starting point is 01:30:24 So, so here's what the data shows on weight loss with the GLP1 without exercise. So you were sedentary. You just ate a, you just ate way less. Yeah. About 35 to 40% of that weight was. muscle. Lean mass. We'll say lean mass, which includes probably some water. But to put it differently, 50 pounds was probably 15 to 20 lean body mass. How much did you gain back after strength training? 20 pounds. That's right. And you're smaller, which tells me you're doing

Starting point is 01:30:56 great. Your appetite's going up because your your metabolism's improving and increasing. Are you getting... BMI is an obese category. BMI means nothing. I'm obese. Yeah. You're looking at three obese guys. Jessica, if I cut your legs off right now, your BMI would be within range. Would that mean you were healthy? Yeah, it's.

Starting point is 01:31:19 Let's not do that. Very generalized. BMI is just, inaccurate. BMI is just body mass. And they use that because the average person doesn't live weights. Doesn't do anything. And so generally speaking, it can tell you some stuff.

Starting point is 01:31:33 Now, if you're fit and strong and athletic, it doesn't tell you my. at all. What tells you what's a better predictor is your strength, your fitness, your activity, and then you can look at other blood markers like lipids and stuff like that. You're moving in the right direction. I don't think you're doing anything wrong. You're doing great. Definitely. Doing great. How are you, how good are you at hitting consistently your protein intake? Oh, really good. 160. I just up that to about 170 grams. You're fine. You're fine. When I'm low, I'm 130 grams. You're fine. And how much strong are you right now from your workouts?

Starting point is 01:32:09 Oh, much stronger. My squats went from 45 pounds to 110 pounds. Yeah. You do realize you're more than twice as strong. You're doing it. Here's the advice I'll give you. Justin hasn't seen gains like that in 20 years. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:32:24 I'm jealous. You're killing it. Here's the only advice I'll give you. Try to increase your daily activity because you're hitting 5,000 steps a day. Uh-huh. Yeah, try to get that up to 8,000 steps today. You'll feel better from it. That's it.

Starting point is 01:32:37 Everything else is going great. Yeah. But keep- When I go up in calories, can I go just in fats calories? Can I go from fat? Yes. Yes.

Starting point is 01:32:44 Yes. Because your protein is good, you could totally go up in fat. Yeah. And right now, how many calories you said 26 a day? 2,600 calories. By the way,

Starting point is 01:32:53 if you go in a cut right now, you're going to see really, you'll see some fat loss. If you brought that- I get too hungry even with like, yeah, don't. Don't mess with that. Keep feeding the metabolism right now.

Starting point is 01:33:02 Keep going the direction you're building some good muscle. Yeah, yeah. Keep going the direction you're going until you get to, a place where you're like, oh my God, if you start getting like 3,000 plus calories, then you can come back down to like 25 and then watch how fast you lean out. When I go higher in calories, is it okay if I eat some like junk food or like just more unhealthy slightly because that's the problem is how much of sardines and coconut water and fruits well, well, let me ask you this.

Starting point is 01:33:30 Sardine fatigue. If you're hungry, then healthy foods, quote unquote, healthy whole foods will be okay. If it's just because you want to eat, that's different. So real hunger says, I want the healthy whatever. I'll eat the chicken. I'll eat the rice, the potato. Hunger that says, I want hyper-palatable processed food is different. That's a craving.

Starting point is 01:33:52 No. So when I basically, like, don't work out for four or five days sometimes, my calorie intake naturally drops down to like 17, 1800 calories. Oh. Because I am on transepatite, so the food noise is not there. Wait a minute, wait a minute, Jessica, on a consistent, so have you looked at your weekly average of daily calories? Yes. What is the, what is the average?

Starting point is 01:34:15 Because it sounds to me like sometimes you hit 26, but sometimes you hit 17. So like basically I take off from working out about once every fifth week and that week is when it goes down. Otherwise, it stays consistent. You're fine. You're fine. You're totally fine. Yeah. You're a good place.

Starting point is 01:34:32 Everything you said is good. Yeah, you're in a good place. The only thing I caution you with like junk food, right? I would save that for the times in your life when you're with your family. You're celebrating a holiday. And you're like, hey, I can afford my metabolism is working for me. I enjoy it. Because what will happen is that those types of food does start to kick up the cravings.

Starting point is 01:34:55 And then you end up wanting more and more. And then what happens is it starts to creep in and it starts to eat away at the good stuff that you were, that you're consistently doing right now. So having a little bit of balance, totally fine, enjoying that every now and then, especially when it's, you know, with family, whether that's a, I don't know if you're a drink or a dessert person or whatever it is person that,

Starting point is 01:35:15 like you, what food we're talking about. When it's connecting with family and friends, save it for those moments. But then just beware of that as you, that creeps in your life, that it kicks up those cravings. They're designed to make you crave them.

Starting point is 01:35:28 If I can up the fats, I think I'll be okay. Just more cheese and have. That's right. Yes. Have some more. cheese, dairy, have fattier meats, enjoy fattier meats. Like, get it that way. But great job. Yeah, you're killing.

Starting point is 01:35:39 Like, you are doing really, really well. Yes. That means so much to hear from you guys. Thank you. By the way, this is not, you have, this is, you're not at the end. It's, oh, this is just beginning. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to keep seeing good progress for a while. It's just getting good right now. Like, your metabolism is in such a good place. You should just keep getting stronger and keep getting. I bet your energy must feel great. You must feel so different. 1500 steps to 5,000.

Starting point is 01:36:03 steps. Like, I wasn't cooking anymore, which I love to cook because I was so drained and tired and cooking and which, you know, like I eat more because of it, everything. That's awesome. Good for you. That's good for you. Yeah, you got like two more years of great progress. Yeah. Yep. Thank you. Bye you guys. Check back in with us. Okay. Call us back in a couple weeks. I'd love to hear from you. Okay. All right, Jessica. Wow. She's crushing. Crushing, bro. Crushing. Crushing. But yeah, I mean, no activity, GLP1, just cutting calories, 35, 40% of that will be leaving. That's what the data shows. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:36:39 Sometimes 30, she obviously listens a lot because she did exactly what she needed to do. And this happens to everybody on GLP1. See how the scale could totally have messed her up? Yeah. Even the BMI, I'm like, oh. Think about it. The scale went up, but I'm smaller. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:36:52 Yet people would have stalked and freaked out. She would go down from a 12 to an eight pant size? Yeah. That's crazy. While gaining weight. That's right. That's right. What's your concern?

Starting point is 01:37:02 That's a pure, you know, what it is? That's the scale and the BMF's, I think, will, we're stupid numbers. Yet, you are crushing it. This is why, this is why I oftentimes have clients not weigh themselves. That would have messed up so many people. Yeah, so much better. Our next caller is Matt from Texas.

Starting point is 01:37:20 Matt, what's happening? Hey, doing, Matt. What are you? Hey, guys, thank you so much for inviting me to participate. Found you guys a couple months ago and literally been hooked. I've gone back to the beginning, and it's actually been really fun to see the evolution of the show until now. I think I'm on like episode 150. They got really bad before the dark ages.

Starting point is 01:37:46 Sorry. You're like family. Anybody who's listened to all that stuff, we consider like family. It does get better. Thank you. Honestly, I feel like I'm sitting in the room with some buddies here. So hopefully you guys can help me out. I want to thank you guys for what you're doing on the show.

Starting point is 01:38:04 I think it's great. In some of those earlier episodes, I mean, sometimes it feels like you guys are speaking directly to my life. You guys talked about dealing with like stresses of life, losing people, how that affects you. And it really ties perfectly into my situation. So I'll start by saying I kind of look at exercise and fitness. as my therapy, right? So it helps me deal with stress and anxiety, kind of fought through some depression. So that's, that's a lot of my why as to why I work out. What I've noticed, though, guys, is throughout the journey of being a fat kid, getting fit, getting fat again, kind of

Starting point is 01:38:54 that struggle in life, and learning from what you guys have taught, I think I've really messed up my metabolism. So based on y'all's tips and your coaching and what you guys talk a lot about, about repairing that metabolism, building back strong, letting your body do the work for you. Over the last couple months, I've really been focusing a lot on that. I know I over train. I mean, I've really backed off of it quite a bit right now. But at my peak, I would, was two and a half hours on the weights and hour and a half, two hours of cardio. And when I say every day, I mean legit, every day. After a stressful day at work, I would go out in the garage. I live in Houston. It'd be 100 degrees outside. I'd go to the elliptical in the garage and

Starting point is 01:39:51 burn it down for an hour after I did an hour in the morning, right? On top of a training session, as my training sessions have progressed, like it would start at an hour, and then I would add, I never traded off exercises. So I was always like, well, let me try this exercise

Starting point is 01:40:13 to hit this muscle group a little different. Let me, and it just kept building from there to where, you know, shoulders and back, I'd be in the gym for two and a half hours, lifting. And then I'd go climb on the elliptical

Starting point is 01:40:29 for 45 minutes. So my question to you guys is with that kind of being said, understanding my reasoning for the dependency on the working out and how it kind of helps me decompress and why I kind of need that in my day every day and not sleeping. I mean, I sleep on a good night six hours. Yeah, no kidding. And sometimes it's as low as four and a half. Yeah. And like, so I'm working on the diet, right? I've built the calories up to, I can maintain about 180 to 183 pounds.

Starting point is 01:41:14 And based on the cheap scale I've got, that has me hovering somewhere between 12 and 13% body fat at about 3,000. And so I'm working on that component. But what do you guys suggest? Like, Matt, Matt, I know, we already know enough. Matt, what I'm most concerned or afraid to ask is what does cutting back look like? What is? Yeah, we know what peak you looks like. What is your definition of cutting back look like right now?

Starting point is 01:41:49 Yeah, so right now, another thing that I've learned from you guys is about like central nervous system overload. Like I keep a really close tabs on a lot of things. Guys, I would wake up in the morning. I could jump on the elliptical right now go for two hours. So I know I've got really good cardiovascular health. My resting heart rate at 3 o'clock in the morning was 80. And constantly feeling tired but unable to sleep. So, Adam, to answer your question, right now I'm for the first time of my life,

Starting point is 01:42:24 I'm trying to do like a delode week where this morning I walked on the treadmill, super low pace, 40 minutes. And aside from walking the dog, that's all I'm doing today. Okay. Today, day one. Is this way? I'm going to put it this way. How long? The words of Yoda, you must unlearn what you have learned.

Starting point is 01:42:50 Matt, have you, how long have you known you had this call with us? When did they make this with you? Two days, two or three days. Okay, so that's probably why today you did the first day. No, so Sunday, Sunday, in all honesty, Sunday was, what I did Sunday was I kind of hit a total body like two sets, 10 to 12, probably 40% effort and was in and out of the gym in 40 minutes. So here's, so here's a thing, Matt, with this is there's, there's, there's a lie that you're believing that has to get tackled before any of this will get fixed. Okay. The lie is telling you that this is helping with your anxiety and depression.

Starting point is 01:43:40 Yeah. It's no different than, you know, drinking alcohol can help with anxiety and depression too. Yeah. Until it, until it makes things a lot worse. Yeah. And so you're in that spiral. right now and you're in it it's pretty deep yeah and i could tell you what to do uh but it's gonna be real hard it's easy to say this is a real solid um for lack of a better term addiction it is it's a

Starting point is 01:44:06 very very difficult one to break and um the only way i could see this are you watching sal's series are you watching cell no i'm not oh brother i mean that this is sal's problem you know and he's he's openly been documenting his whole series is all about this. It's breaking this, this idol of, of fitness and, and justifying it all. Like,

Starting point is 01:44:32 so literally watching his YouTube series is for you. I also would, sorry to cut you off, but I also would, if you, if you have the means to hire like one of our coaches to take you through it, I would, you're going to need.

Starting point is 01:44:44 I would definitely recommend that because it's not a matter, outsource it for, it's not because you don't have the knowledge or the discipline, to do the thing. It's that you need a guy like myself or one of our coaches in your ear, constantly being like, no, no, no, no, no, just this. Stick to this.

Starting point is 01:45:00 Trust the process. I got you. Here's why, Matt, because you can't listen to your body and you can't listen to your signals. They're all lying to. They're lying. So everything the coach is going to have you do is going to feel so wrong.

Starting point is 01:45:14 Yeah. And so you need that accountability and that coach to continue to walk you off the ledge every time. Because right now, if I, tell you to listen to your body, if I give you a delode workout, you'll do it, you'll get a little bit, oh, I feel I'm better, you're going to go right back to

Starting point is 01:45:27 scaling things back up, or your cut down will still be too much. So a coach is the only way I see any chance of success with this. Right. It's a, this can be hard, dude. It's going to suck. It's going to be really, really hard for like 60, 60 days is going to suck.

Starting point is 01:45:47 Because you're going to break, you're going to be separating yourself from something that it's going to be very difficult to separate from, and it's going to feel very scary. There's a couple things you want to do around this. One, you want to outsource it to a coach. Two, a lot of feelings are going to pop up when you start to, when you stop engaging in this behavior. You need to replace what you would normally did, which was exercise like crazy, with something else. And it's not going to replace it. It's not going to feel like a complete replacement. It's going to feel totally new. But you got to find another behavior to do. And you can't just not exercise in other words

Starting point is 01:46:22 If you just not exercise you're drive yourself crazy So we got to replace like oh I'm getting anxiety I feel anxious I feel like I gotta do something else what can I do? Walking with an audio book is a move That's one thing Are there any habits or passions that you've had In the past

Starting point is 01:46:36 That maybe you're not engaging in as much Because build some more Legos That shit takes that shit takes forever It's an impressive I know how long one of those suckers takes to build You'll build one of those. I don't see a Death Star in there. I guess I did the time.

Starting point is 01:46:53 Yeah. Death Stars up tall. Do you have anything like that in the past that you really loved and engaged in that you kind of just kind of let go because of all the time you spent in the gym? So I was always an athlete, right? I played baseball up into my mid-30s. What are the batting cages? Love to see that. Well, and you know, that's another thing.

Starting point is 01:47:13 So my daughter's getting into golf. Okay. I'm terrible at it. Okay. But that would be a great. thing. Yes. There you go. She and I could do together. Love that. Love that. Yeah. You know, I'm so bound up from all the working out that I can't swing a golf club right now, but I need to do something to loosen up, right? So it's like you guys are saying, like that's another

Starting point is 01:47:38 healthy habit. Well, Matt, Matt, can I give you? You mind if I add a little bit to that? Please. If you're going to go play golf with your daughter, don't make it about the golf. For sure. You'll very, this will very quickly turn into an obsession with golf. So it's got to be about the connection with your daughter. That'll keep you on the right, on the right path of all this.

Starting point is 01:47:59 Yeah. And then here's the other thing, too. Do you, do you ever write? Do you ever like to write? Occasionally I journal, well, I journal when I do like my Bible studies and stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:48:11 Okay. We got a like to work with now. So here's what you're going to do when you're getting that feeling. and you need to think on paper. You got to process out those thoughts on paper. Otherwise, it's going to stay circulating. It makes it real. So I think every time you're like, oh, man, I'm feeling like, you know, crappy, anxious.

Starting point is 01:48:32 Like, I want to go write, just right in your journal. And since you have a faith, direct it in that direction. And what that's going to do, first it's going to feel awkward. It's going to feel like this isn't really helping me. But it's going to get those thoughts out on paper, and it will start to help. Even more specifically what that looks like for me, it's right exactly and describe how I feel and then write what I'm grateful for right after. That transition right there.

Starting point is 01:48:57 Neutralizes anxiety. You add prayer to that. Now you've now you've added a supernatural component for sure. Yeah, yeah. But I would love, can I have a coach call you at the very least give you advice, but I think working with a coach for at least 90 days is going to be a good idea to get. Yeah, 100% because you guys, I think you guys, I think you guys, guys hit it right on the head. So I've got kind of this, as you can tell, I've got kind of an

Starting point is 01:49:22 addictive personality, right? And something that starts healthy. You guys mentioned idols, right? And the Bible talks a lot about idols and how we can take something that God meant for good and pervert the hell out of it, which is what I've done. And Sal, you were talking about, you know, telling me to listen to my body. I've gotten damn. good at ignoring it. Yeah. Like you need to slow down. Your heart feels like it's going to jump out of your chest.

Starting point is 01:49:54 Like you can't sleep at night. And it's like, well, I got to do more. Right. Like I got to work this off to where I physically get so exhausted that that's how I crash. That's right. But that's, I call that, okay, now I can relax. Also, I'm crashing. And also among all things, the heart is deceitful anyway.

Starting point is 01:50:16 Yeah. So you're going to have to lean in a different direction. We're going to have a coach call you as soon as we hang up. And then I also am going to have Doug send you Sal's first episode. And watch this series. That'll be really perfect. When you go for a walk, make that a daily thing where you kind of go for a walk and just listen to it.

Starting point is 01:50:34 It'd be very therapeutic to hear this knucklehead going through the same thing. So it's literally it's like literally the same, very, very similar to what you're talking about. Sal has been sharing through this process that he's also. trying to work on. So it'll be it'll be cathartic to hear him going through it. That between that and the coaching, I think you're going to be, the good news is you're in badass shape and you've got all this muscle. So when we get on the other side of this, you're just going to get healthy as a result.

Starting point is 01:51:00 You're going to feel better. You're going to sleep better. You're going to look better. And you're going to be doing a fresh. You're going to do way less. It's going to be all the better. You're going to get all the things that look awesome and feel awesome and sleep better with a fraction. Zero grind.

Starting point is 01:51:16 of the effort towards it. So it's there on the other side. The other side's going to be amazing. But it's hard to get there, man. It'll be hard to get there. So I appreciate you guys taking the time. And I look forward to the call, guys. Cool.

Starting point is 01:51:28 You got it, brother. Right on, Matt. Thanks, Matt. Thanks, man. Thanks, guys. Yep. All right, dude. Yeah, I wanted to ask when he started the delo because

Starting point is 01:51:35 preparation for this call. Well, as he was going, I'm going to ask. You're trying to stop him earlier. Yeah, I was like, I already know enough, dog. You gotta finish this. I already know where and who you are. What I'm curious about is, what does your reduction look like? And how long has that goes after it, man.

Starting point is 01:51:55 Oh, yeah. No joke, too. It's a tough one to break because that's extreme. I mean, he has you beat. Well, I've never done that. I've never done that. I've never been like that. Mine was more about, you know, feeling capable and looking a particular, I guess, a way.

Starting point is 01:52:07 Not to say that it's any better or worse. Yeah. But that kind right there can get very destructive very quickly because you just run yourself into the ground. I mean, we had a client that one of our coaches works with that was doing nine hours a day of exercise. Yeah. It's a tough one to break, but the coach is essential. We could have given him a holy vibe. I could have given him a massive team.

Starting point is 01:52:31 You got to follow this day. No, he needs to talk it out. Imagine the reinforcement of that too. He's 46 years old and he looks badass. I mean, how many people probably tell him all day long, awesome. Yeah, and it reinforces it. So it just reinforces that. Like, oh my God, I bet he gets complimented all the time because he looks so good.

Starting point is 01:52:47 Sure. But he didn't realize a lot of the anxiety and stuff you may be feeling now. It's from the workout. His heart rate, all that, no sleep is because, like, you're hammering your body seven days a week that much. Like, yeah, no shit, you're not sleeping. Like, it's going to be amazing on the other side if he can stick with it. And I hope one of the coaches work with it. That'll be awesome.

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