Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2753: Lift and Gain an Inch Around Your Butt in 60 Days!

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

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Enjoy the rest of the show. Build your butt. This is really popular nowadays. Here's what we're going to do for you right now. We're going to talk about how you can lift and add an inch to your booty, solid inch of muscle to your butt in 60 days. We're going to break it down for you.

Let's go. It's popular nowadays. I'm pretty sure that's been popular. It's a thing. It's been a thing for a while. I mean, I guess, I guess pre-J-Lo, it wasn't that big of a thing at all. And building your butt wasn't even a thing still. It wasn't until probably...

It was Jennifer Lopez. You have a build to build? Yeah, well, because everybody wanted that. So, I mean, I remember that era, right, being a person training. And clients coming in and being like, I want a butt like J-Lo. And it's like, well... You know what they used to say in the 90s? I want my butt to be smaller.

Yeah, that's what I mean. It wasn't until... It was all about being thin. It wasn't until like late 90s, early 2000s, where J-Lo was on the scene and popular and famous, right? And everybody decided, I want a big butt. And the good news is with Kira... With your butt.

Those came all later, right? Well, the good news is with your butt is it's a muscle. You could totally develop it. You can make radical and dramatic changes. It's no different than the guy who says, I want big arms. It's the same, exactly. It's a muscle.

So it's not like, you know, boobs or something like that. In fact, I would make the argument in case it's easier to build than a guy who says I want to build arms. Those are small muscles. The glutes are one of your prime movers, one of the biggest muscles on your body. And so the potential for it to develop and grow is far greater than somebody's bias and tries. And functionally speaking, the glutes are very important muscle. They're crucial for athletic performance, balance. stability for back health.

Yeah, it's actually a big advantage if you build up your glutes in terms of overall strength and force generation. Totally, totally, 100%. And building your butt is not, it really isn't rocket science. It's actually consistency, good workout programming, and diet. And I think we'll start with diet because here's what I see today. Now, this maybe wasn't the issue 10 years ago. I'd say 10 years ago when we started the podcast.

One of the big issues was workout programming. a lot of people just didn't do the best exercise of build her butt. So whenever you'd see a girl say, I want to build my butt, they would do a lot of these kind of not worthless, but far less effective exercises like these dog pee and kickback and cable, you know, this, that, and the other, and, you know, abduction and because they'd feel the burn. And so a lot of the conversation back then was workout programming,

and we'll get there. We will talk about a specific workout program or kind of programming that would help. But these days, more people are aware of the best. exercises, but you still run into people who are like, why is it my butt building? It's because you're not eating enough. Yeah. It's just not going to have.

You're not going to build anything if you don't eat enough. It's tough because most of the time, the girl that comes to you that wants to build her butt is also want to simultaneously shrink her waist. Yeah. And those two goals, although somewhat are possible, they're completely. conflicting for most people, especially if you are trying to go out at yourself and figure out, like, okay, I'm eating to have a small waist, but I'm also training to have a butt. It's like, well, what will end up happening is you might get the small waste, but then you won't get the

butt because you're not eating in enough calories to build the butt. And then the other way, you go, okay, I'm going to eat to build this butt, but then you see any sort of increase in the waste, or if you put on any sort of weight, you freak out, and then you go the other direction, and then you end up hurting your progress on your process of building the butt. Yeah, that's true. They're not willing to sacrifice,

you know, that process of having to actually, like, build up, which may increase, you know, temporarily. But you need that, though, to be able to build muscle. You know, you need the calories.

You need to be able to increase that. Well, here's the good news. The good news is building makes getting leaner, easier later anyway. So that's the good news. So if you focus on building, you'll build. if you do it right,

and then later getting leaners easier because now you have more muscle. By the way, when people see changes in body composition, where they build muscle and lose body fat at the same time, it's usually because they're trying to build and through the building process,

what it looks like is this. This is what it feels like for somebody who's gone through this. They'll start to gain some muscle. Then because of the increased metabolic rate, they'll get a little leaner a little bit later on. So that's sometimes what this looks like. But I will say this.

You want to add an inch to your butt and get it to lift in 60 days. You need to focus on building. If you try to build and lose at the same time in 60 days, you might get a little bit of each, but you're not going to get a lot of the building. And if you build a lot now, you can get leaner later in a much faster, easier way. So you're better off focusing on building with your nutrition.

And what does that look like? It looks like hitting your target body weight and protein. And you've got to eat. in excess of calories. In other words, if you're burning 2,000, if you're eating right now 2,000 calories a day or 1,500 calories a day,

you need to be like a few hundred calories above that, three to 500 calories above that if you really want to make this happen. You have to do it. And if you don't do that, here's how important it is, by the way. You could follow the best strength training workout. If your calories aren't high enough,

not only will you not build, I've seen many cases where calories are so low that even with strength training, we see muscle loss and sometimes bone loss. So this is a really, really big deal. And then just to add to this, there are many times when I would work with a client or when we have a caller who the routine seems decent,

all we do is have them bump their calories and then boom, like magic. Muscles start to build. Have you guys ever seen Danny's transformation before? No. Oh my God. You have to, we'll have Dylan throw up her transformation. But I think she's such a great example.

Would she like really? I would love to, I don't know, maybe if Dylan, I don't know if Dylan knows, like, I would love to know what her weight on the scale was pre-strength training and building her. Was she like chronic diet or stuff before? Yeah, typical young, young girl, like she didn't look like, she didn't look emaciated and skinny or anything like that, but she looked like your average, average girls build her body in her, like, late teens, early 20s or whatever. And then she really got into lifting, lifting heavy, strong. And you could see, but I mean, I would, I would love to hear the different. in her weight because she and because you can obviously see such a different physique that she's built from that.

And, but I bet you it's like a huge difference on the scale. A number that would probably scare most women like, what? I would gain that much weight. But then if you see the difference in the body, it's like, everybody would go like, oh, of course I would take that physique over the, the, my favorite, my favorite story to share. As you're a trainer who. Yeah. And I've had a lot of situations like this, but I just have this trainer that worked for me.

You guys know her. and she was very lean, very petite, but she was very strong. And when I would talk to women who were potentially joining the club that I managed, I would give them a challenge when they would talk about how scared they were of getting bulking. If you could guess this trainer's body weight within 10, 15 pounds, I'll give you a month membership for free. And they always failed because they would think she was 100 pounds. She weighed like 130 pounds.

And I'd have a scale in my office. She'd step on the scale. And everybody kind of like, what? Yeah. But she's tiny. I'm like, look, muscle. is dense. And it looks different.

So different. Muscle gives you shape to your body. It also takes up less space on your body. So the scale doesn't tell you the whole story at all. And building muscle in this process will probably result in some weight gain. So if that'll freak you out, if you're listening to this, you're like, oh, my God, that'll totally freak me out. Then don't weigh yourself.

Don't weigh yourself through this process because it'll get me right. I mean, I normally have to do that with clients that have goals like this, especially when they're like, I want to build my butt and shrink my waist. I know that I have to increase their calories. I know there's a chance to scale is going to stay the same, possibly even go up a little bit. And this is just, you know, the veteran trainer should know this. Like that you don't let that client.

You don't let that claim away themselves. You tell them that you got this and I've got the process. Don't worry. I know what I'm doing type of deal. I don't want you on the scale. And I'll let them know why is because I'm like, you know, there's a chance that could go up a little bit, but that doesn't mean we're not doing the right thing. You're absolutely doing the right thing.

How many times did you have a client stand backwards on the scale? Or you take their measurements and don't share it. That was the move. Yeah. That was the move. When we had the doctor scale inside the office, it was get up on the scale, turn around. I'd be like, why? I'm like, you don't get to know.

I need to know. I need to know just to see where we're at. And literally all I care about is if I see any massive swings, I'm not really tripping on the one to three pounds here or there as we're going through this process. That's all I'm paying attention to you. Awesome. All right. So, and now just to touch on how I opened, it is reasonable if you do the right things.

like we're going to talk about, especially in a calorie surplus, hitting your protein, to gain an inch around your butt in 60 days. It's a pretty good goal, but it's a reasonable one. Very reasonable. I didn't put one out here.

That was like crazy. So you could do this, if you follow what we're going to say. So we're going to give you a basic three-day-a-week butt building routine that doesn't include exercises for the rest of your body. So what we're going to talk about are the exercises that are targeting the glutes here.

Now, you can add, and you probably should add three additional exercises in each of these workouts to hit the rest of the body. So you're going to be doing per workout anywhere between probably five, roughly five exercises, maybe six at most, but you could also do as little as four. So that's what these workouts are going to look like.

So we're going to start with day one. And you want to have ideally a day off in between these workouts. So this is a three-day-a-week routine. So it would be like a Monday, Wednesday, Friday type of deal, but it could also be, you know, whatever three days, so long as there's a day off in between.

that would make this ideal. But the first exercise you're going to do in day one, and by the way, the order is important here. So when we say workout one, workout two, like try and do them in this order, okay? Because there's a rhyme to this reason. But the first exercise, hip thrust. Hip thrust, you could load heavy.

It is a glute targeted exercise. And especially for people, it's not necessarily better than other butt building exercises, but it is an easier one to connect and target the buttway. It's one of the only ones that really can, isolated if you want to call it that. With load. With load.

With load. There's some, like, I mean, this is why people like butt kicks and movements like that is because they can feel it and isolate it, but they can't load that. Yeah. Hip thrust, you can load and it's very targeted. You can feel it. One of my favorite movements, especially with a client who struggles to feel glutes in their other glute exercises.

That's right. Because everybody feels hip thrust in their glutes. So hip thrust will be the first exercise. you want to do a few sets and let's keep the reps between 8 to 10 and then you're going to do Romanian deadlifts Romanian deadlifts are also a glute and also hamstring exercise

so those are the two exercises you do in workout one and you can add three maybe four exercises that'll target the rest of their body in that workout the next workout which would be not the next day by the day after you're going to start with barbell squats which is the king of lower body exercises so you're going to do barbell squats

Same thing, a few sets for right around 10 reps. And then you're going to do Bulgarian split stance squat. Swatts. Following that up. And then workout three is just deadlifts. You're just doing conventional or sumo deadlifts you pick. Sumo. You know.

I love sumo because you have Romanians in here. And I'm also biased to. Not a bad. Not a bad deal. And I'm biased to sumo deadlifts for building the glutes just because it hits the glute meat. And that's an area. Yeah, with that wide stance. Yes, that wide sance and opening the knees up.

It engages the glute me. A lot of times when I had clients that suffer from sleepy butt syndrome, it was glute mead. They're glute mead. They just weren't connected well to it. And the sumo deadlifts does a great job of helping you get connected to that. And because you already have Romanians, I'm doing that conventional. That to me is like the perfect. Now, here's a deal that you might think, well, how do I know if this is working besides the fact that my butt looks different?

You're stronger. So in 60 days, if you're seeing yourself through this workout, add weight to the bar on any of these exercises or especially all of them, you are moving in the right direction. And for those you that are afraid to eat extra calories, if your strength's not going up and you know that about yourself, bump the calories and watch what happens. But you add, again, you could probably add through this workout 60 days, 30 pounds to one of these lifts. your butt's going to be bigger. Oh, your butt's going to be bigger. If you hit protein intake consistently every day,

follow exactly these lifts, three to 500 plus surplus calorie, and that's the only thing you focus on. You could do other stuff, yada, yeah. But that's the main thing that you just... This is your cornerstone right here. Yeah, that's the main thing that you just say I'm consistent about

for 60 days. I guarantee you see a huge deal. Now, let's talk about things you shouldn't do or things that get in the way of this right. A bunch of extra stuff. A bunch of, yes, a bunch of cardio. Thinking that more stuff. is going to help you out here. Do this all like with a hip circle band. In fact, like I wanted to say when you were talking about like, you know, these are the three, we're not going to talk about the other list. But honestly, if your main goal is you really want to build a butt, I'm doing literally on these, these other three days like one exercise per muscle. Yeah, in addition, like one or two exercises. That's it. You don't need to. Minimal is better here. You'll build more muscle. Yes. If it's minimal. And now here's where a lot of people might mess up. They're going to do a ton of cardio.

with this. So they're like, oh, cool, here's my routine. I also like to do an hour cardio. Or they add what we just said to like already another program. It's just like try and bolt this on. It's like less is actually more here. If this is the main focus, and I'm telling you, if you just throughout the week divide up the rest of the body.

So not even in every workout. Like the rest of the week. So like here's a press. Here's a row. Yes. Yes. And it's not all in the same workout. That's right.

Agreed. Like that's all. Like you just make sure. you get a press, you get a row inside the inside there and a day of like some armwork like that's it. Just to cover it. Just to cover the basis that you're

touching all the other body parts one time that is is great for what you're about to go do. The mistake that people will make is they will take this formula and they will bolt it on to other stuff. Other stuff they're doing. Their group classes. Yes. Group classes or burning a bunch of calories with weren't running

or already have a straight training program and this, it's like literally fall it like that. Yeah, the more you isolate, prioritize, and you really just set this aside without any of the volume around it. Watch how your body responds so much better to that specific targeted signal that you're sending.

Yeah, I used to love getting people to buy in to this philosophy and trust me and then watch them, watch just their minds get blown as they get stronger, stronger, stronger, and they come to me and go, I'm looking the way I wanted to look, except before I would over-diet, over-trained, do everything.

This doesn't make sense to me, except I see it working. And now I think you're right about adaptation, recovery, and all those things. I used to love doing it. If you are not getting stronger and it's not working for you,

it's one of these things. Either you're not eating in a surplus, you're not hitting your protein, or you're doing too much. Too much. It's one of those three things. Otherwise, you'll be getting stronger, you'll be seeing results.

So if you're not seeing the results, it's one of those three things that is your issue or a combination of all of them. Like sometimes you're not consistent with the protein. Other times you over-trained and do other stuff. It's like, and that typically is what it is. It's like, well, I don't, I most always hit my protein.

Well, most always is only once in a while they miss, but then they also do the other. It's like, follow the way it's laid out. Just do those things. Watch what happens in 60 days. Awesome. All right. I got to tell you guys about something.

Justin, you'll probably going to want to pay attention to this because you have teenage boys. And I'm going to have a conversation with my daughter and my niece about this. So there's something that's happening right now that's on the rise called sex tortation. Have you heard of this? Sex or tertation, sex tortation, I think they call it. So this is where, and I'll pull up the article, apparently it's growing and it's a thing.

And teenage kids. Is this like a term over exploration, but it's sex tortation? No, dude. So there are groups that talk. Target U.S. kids with this. And what they do, I think I've heard of this.

What they do is they find a way to get in contact, and I'll pull this up. Online scammers scour public social media profiles to learn about a teen. Then they pose as a flirtatious peer. And they know information about you because they can go on social media and they can make connections. So they'll know, like, for example, there was this one kid who this happened to where they acted like a 17-year-old girl.

They had real pictures of this fake girl. They knew what Jim he worked out at. They knew a couple of his best friends. They name dropped. They knew that he played basketball for this high school. They started going back and forth with these flirtatious texts, built trusts. Then they started to trade photos. And then when they got compromising photos of him, they exhorted.

They said, hey, we will show your whole family. Oh, wow. If you don't give us X amount of dollars. Now this poor kid, there's this one kid, this 15-year-old boy who had sent illicit photos because they had sent it back and had developed this relationship with this fake kid. And they said, you got to give us money. And he said, all I have is 30 bucks. I'll give that to you.

He gave it to them. They said, no, that's not enough or whatever. Any of the kid ended up committing suicide because he was so afraid of these photos getting put out there publicly. Wow. So this was like, I was reading this article and there are online scammers that are doing. doing this right now. And they're targeting kids. So it's a conversation. I imagine this is a special place in hell for these people. Oh my God. I would imagine this is way more common happening to boys than it is happening to girls. No. Both. Equally? Oh, yeah. Interesting.

Oh, yeah. I mean, if you can get a kid to send you like, yeah, but I feel like girls are way less susceptible to that than guys are. I feel like sending photos of themselves. Yeah, not just, yeah, that and the, and also believing this, this random, random guy or person. I feel like it's, I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I'm just saying that it would be, I could totally see the teenage boy who is, you know, got a cute girl who's messaging him and thinks he knows. It's happened to both. Really? Yeah. Wow. It's happened to both. And, and, uh, so the conversation, I think that's important because how do you talk to your kid about this? It's like, well, first, don't ever send anything through texts because that you don't want getting public because it's out there.

And then number two, if you ever did, I don't care. You'll never have to be embarrassed with me. I don't care what comes out. Because if that does happen, imagine the fear, imagine if you were that kid. Yeah. And you sent photos and you're like, oh my God, my parents are going to see this. Yeah, I know. It's so scary. I mean, I had a conversation one time about this. And it was like an innocent thing. It was like, like one of my kids like took pictures of his butt to like, you know, mess with his buddy. And so then I freaked out. And I had this like huge come to Jesus talk with like both boys. I'm like, this is how it is. And you know, these things are live on. the internet and, you know, all that kind of stuff.

And, but that was a while back. And of course, you know, of course there's these, like, disgusting people out there, like trying to manipulate and abuse. Yeah, dude. Just reading about that how terrible, how terrible for the parents to not be in the loop. Is there an age group it's more popular in? Teenagers. Teenagers, just teenagers in general.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's because, I mean, obviously, if you're in your 20s and someone does this, you're more of an adult and you're more like, whatever, dude, put it out. You know, it's embarrassing. But as a teenager, where you, you know, that's like the big deal.

Oh, yeah. You're already insecure. I feel like the threat would be more to like the high school and the school than even mom and dad. I feel like the threat would be like, we're going to, I mean, they threaten them with love. Because I remember, so my buddy's a, oh, as a principal. And he says that's a, that was popular.

That was very popular and a major thing that they had to deal with. Is even like boyfriend and girlfriends? Yes. Horror stories about that. Yeah. And, you know, one of the, the boyfriends sharing with. his buddies, oh, what my girlfriend sent me or there's that, and then somebody decides to send it out to every... Or they just break up and they do it as, yeah. Right. Or they, or they, yeah, exactly.

So that's a common thing that they'd have to manage at the high school. It's just, it would happen all the time. Man, I'm like, oh, my God. Well, see, because it's a false sense of security because you think, well, they sent me a picture of them. Yeah. Right. So if they release mine, I'll release theirs. Not knowing that, it's not even that person. Yeah. They don't care if you release that. Just a scammer. Yeah. Anyways, along. those lines. There's this, this, this, we've talked about her before. She was an only fan's girl and she did this crazy challenge.

Anyway. Was this that Bonnie Blue? Bonnie Blue. I brought her up a while ago. Because the stuff that she, it's just, it's crazy where the world and what the world is with some of this stuff. But anyway, she got arrested in Indonesia and faces, I think, like years and years and years in prison.

Because Indonesia has a strict anti-pornography law. And so she was filming herself in a bus recruiting, you know, legal of age but teenage boys to sleep with her and to film it. She got caught in Indonesia and she's over there right now. And they're like, think about throwing her in jail. Wow. Yeah. Which is wild. What would make her go to a country that's illegal, right?

That and then after she already owns the record, right, didn't she own the record of the most guys and whatnot? This is, yeah, dude. Poor thing, dude. I mean. Just how some screw loose. Yeah, dude. But so now she's sitting over there waiting to potentially get thrown in jail. And to be one of those guys, too, like, come on, that's so gross, dude.

Oh, you guys, I forget. Why don't you ever want to be associated with that? I forgot you guys haven't, you guys haven't watched. You know these guys? He did he yet. You guys got to watch that. There's a part in there where he hangs, he hangs out with all the crips, like, all the main, like, Crip gangsters and stuff like that.

And, you know, he's so like, you know, he's got, he, he's got. Power trips want, wants all this attention from all these women. Like, P. Diddy was crazy. He was getting after other famous people's side chicks. Like, he just, power trip. Once it all, wants everybody. And he's hanging out with all the gang members. They're meeting at a place to basically talk about some, like, crazy hit or some shit like that.

And they roll up, and he's, like, making out with this chick. And, like, the gangsters, like, laughing. And they're all, like, laughing at Pete Ditty. And he's like, hey, bro, you just rolling to town and just start kissing with someone. You know she sucked everybody's dick in here, right? Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Right here.

Yeah, he's like, all kissing, make it out. All these gangbangers are all laughing because they're like, yeah, she's had all of us. That's what you were trying to be too powerful, trying to get too much, it blows up in your face. You know, you know what's funny, though, along these lines, there seems to be a, there's so much more awareness around just this kind of topic, you know, like, pornography and just this kind of, you know, just these, just how damaging it is. I've never seen so much awareness around it where you're hearing experts talk about it and

you're hearing young men now say, this is damaging, I don't want to deal with this. And did you guys know that? So I just saw this report. Pornhub is losing viewers at massive amounts right now. Really? Massive amounts. Now they're blaming certain states passing whatever laws. Yeah.

But there's speculation that the train. is moving the opposite direction where more and more people are like, probably not a good idea. I don't think I should go there. So it's pretty interesting. Shame going to come back or what? I think awareness, dude. I feel like, yeah, we did a good job of eliminating shame and then it's like all of this

is out there now. Yeah. You know, and it's like, okay, like maybe there's a place for it, like a little bit. Well, I think there's societal shame exists for a reason. Yeah. I do. I really do. And now I get the negative side of it.

We probably shouldn't do that. You know, it's like, nobody's saying that anymore. I think, I think, I think what we're experiencing and what we're going to see is that we went to a place where we had, because I mean, I was a part, my church was on top of that when I was a kid, bro. That was church, though. No, I know. But my point is, like, there's been a percentage of people that have been beating the drum for a very long time that this is not healthy, not right. Oh, yeah. I think we had mass adoption by everybody.

It had to get so obvious. Exactly. It had to get so bad, so obvious. What we'll probably land in is just, you know, 75% of the people do and 25% of people don't. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's unfortunate. But I don't see, I don't see something so accessible, so addictive,

so justified that going away and like the whole, everybody going like, this is not good for. You know what's going to require? It would require actual regulation. Yeah, they're not doing that. Because it's like any other addictive, you know, whatever substance or behavior. But where do you draw, where do you draw the line on that, right? Like, I know you're, or at least you weren't, you weren't a big regulation guy.

So what? Oh, I think it needs to be, I think we need to make it virtually impossible for anybody underage to. Oh, I think we all go there. That needs to be. But even then, it doesn't, I mean, sure, that would, that would sniff. There's plenty of 18, 19 year olds. it's the first, just like the first thing they do is go out and buy a pack of cigarettes or buy an alcohol when they're 21. First thing they're doing is logging into their porn hub when they can.

So, you know, does that really solve a lot or does it just help a problem that's still going to be a problem forever? What they find in the data is that when it's consumed at a young age, it's far more likely to become. It's more detrimental. Not just detrimental, definitely, but it's far more likely to become a problem as an adult. When you find men who didn't consume it much in their teens, then as adults, it just doesn't become an issue. It's not like that. I mean, wouldn't you say that's pretty much everything?

Yep. I was going to say. How the brain develops. Yeah, if you introduce drugs, pot, alcohol, cocaine. Process food. Yeah. Like, yeah. I mean, name a thing that's not good for us.

It's not healthy for us. That you introduce at a, the younger you introduce it and the more of it you can do, consume at a young age, the more detrimental it is to you as adults. your brain, no matter what. It molds itself around these behaviors because it's changing

and growing so much when you're a kid. I just had this conversation with Max Louvre. I was down there in L.A. He just released my podcast with him. And we talked, and we actually had this great conversation.

It was a short part of the podcast. Most of it was about health and fitness. But we talked about how, like what we do really well, what humans do really well, which isn't great, is we'll take something, we'll take one segment of it

that we like a lot, and we'll concentrate the hell out of it and make everything about that thing, that one thing. For example, food. Food has a lot of value. There's a lot of values around food. There's nourishment. There's for health.

There's for athletic performance. There's connecting with other people. And then there's also the pleasure of eating it. Those are all real values. What do we do? We take the pleasure of eating it and magnify the hell out of that and kind of ignore everything else.

It's what we create is heavily processed food. That's what heavily processed food is. You look at human connection. Human connection, tons of value around human connection. One of the value is that you just know people and you can talk to them. So what do we do? We process that and turn it in social media. So now we're more connected to more people, but more lonely than ever.

We did the same thing with sex. It's got all these values. One of them is this dopamine hit, this like instant whatever. We magnified the hell out of it and ignored everything else. And we turned it into. We made it all about the body. Made it all about the lust part. And that's pornography.

It's processed food version of sex, essentially. And so that's where you get, you get all kinds of dysfunction when you do that, you know? That's why I think if they take fitness and they figure out how to create a pill that makes you jacked and lean, we're screwed. Not us screwed. People are screwed. They have no idea.

You know what's just how detrimental is going to be. You know what I feel is really controversial to say in talking about this topic and how I feel. That's how I feel about even something like sugar. When you look at how sugar is found and it's natural. Like the way you would get it, okay, is so difficult to process the amount. I know. And not only have we justified that as adults and humans, but we encourage it and give it to children.

And the way it acts on the brain for a child in comparison to what it acts. And it's so funny and it's so cute and we all do it for, and it's, I mean, for sure, introduced at an extremely young age and then consistently given it. And then we use it to reward their brains for doing something. said thing. Like, but it's not talked about because it's sugar. It's good. It's cake.

It's all this stuff that we have justified is so good. But it's like, man, you talk about we figured out how to engineer the shit out of that to make it like cocaine for the brain. And then we give it to our kids. What was that once that, I used to mention it all time, like how much sugar cane you would have to eat? Yeah. In order to get the amount that's in a soda can, which is like 35 grams or 50 grams of sugar. You're like eight feet of like sugar cane. Yeah.

Which like bamboo. Panda bear. A panda bear is the only person that could, like, do that, right? The stomach couldn't even process all that fiber. You couldn't chew it, dude. And you're only talking about a 35, whatever soda can is. I think soda can is 35 or 50 grams of sugar. And we, you know, give these kids this.

And it's crazy to think that that's not changing their behavior. This is why when you stick to a whole food diet, you tend to eat appropriately. You just tend to. You don't have to try necessarily. The only thing you have to try to do is avoid processed food. And that alone makes most people would fall within a body weight, especially if you combine it with exercise, that's kind of okay. Just from doing that alone.

You mentioned sugar. The three big components in nature for palatibility are sugar, salt, and fat. All three of those are difficult to come by. Salt is actually in nature difficult to come by. In fact, they used to do wars over that. Wars over that. Fat, you had to kill a big animal. Not even a small animal.

You could kill a squirrel or a rabbit. doesn't have that much. You have to go, you have to learn how to hunt. Yeah. And then sugar, until we learn how to, like, you know, plant things or whatever, go out in nature and go find a bunch of sugar. Yeah. You got to go get a bunch of bees. And then you need tools to fit, like, new age tools to be able to strip it from the bamboo,

like, sticks it grows. And, like, you're not doing that. Even if you could go gather all of it as a human back in the days, like, to whittle that down? Well, the most concentrated form is honey. Like, go get, go ahead, go grab a bunch of honey in nature. You better go get through some bees. Dude, it's like, yeah.

Well, even the fruit. I mean, we've, we've, you know, selectively adapted and engineered the fruit. So it's like, it produces bigger amounts of sugar, fruit toast. It's like this big sugar bomb. It's been a long time since we brought that up. There are old paintings that are like 300 to 400 years old. It was like small. A fruit.

Bitter. You could look these up, everybody. These are paintings. They're realistic paintings. So these are artists that they weren't distorting or they made like real nice artistic painting and these are fruit and they're sliced in half and they're full of seeds. Yeah. And there's very little meat. They look almost nothing like the fruit that we have now. Yeah. Totally different. It's like all vitamins. You know, we've just solved all these things.

It's like, as humans, we love it. You know, it's like, how can we get more of it? And like, we've solved that problem that we thought was a problem, created a problem. Have you guys had cotton candy grapes? Yeah. It tastes like cotton candy. What did we do? Those are delicious. Yeah. Those are delicious. Yeah. I know. Actually, the story behind that's actually really crazy. So I forget who the guy who did it is. He's, I want to say he's from Florida. But maybe you can Google the cotton candy, the story behind the cotton candy graves.

But it's like somebody figured out. Yeah, somebody figured that out. Somebody figured that out by crossing certain strains to get that kind of flavor. Well, when I was a kid, I don't know if you guys remember this. When I was a kid, so we're southern Italian, and there's certain fruits that we love to eat. And one of them is watermelon. It's like a big thing in the summer.

We'd slice up. It used to be full of seeds. I used to have to spit out the seeds. When I was a kid. And I remember my dad's like, you can eat the seeds. And I was like, okay, whatever. You don't get seeds in Warma anymore. There's plenty of water.

They're all, that was us engineering the hell out of this thing to make it have less seeds in it. I don't remember seedless warm. I don't remember that. No way. What you got there, Doug? Yeah, so they cross-pollinated Concord-like grapes with a sweet seedless California grape. And then you got the spun sugar taste. Was it a guy from Florida?

I thought it was a guy from Florida. I'm not sure. Nothing of that matters. I remember reading this. I was so fascinated the very first time someone gave me one of those. I was like they called it them. By the way, I wanted to mention, too,

sugar cane, you can actually chew it up. That's actually popular in some countries. They cut up pieces of sugar cane. You chew it. It's very fibrous. Oh, a hell out of it, though.

Yeah, and you spit out the fiber, but you get this kind of sweet water juice. Yeah. It's actually really tasty. Huh. You got like three grams of sugar. Yeah, yeah.

You're not getting much. You're not getting much sugar at all. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think you would have to chew eight. I believe the stat that I read was eight feet of it to equate to like. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Makes total sense. Yeah, like you have to chew eight feet.

I mean, they take actually whole stalks of sugar cane. They run them through a press. This is in Vietnam. Okay. And the juice comes down. They fill a little plastic bag and they poke a straw in the top with a rubber band. Oh. You just drink it.

It's like two or three stalks of sugar cane. in a little bag of liquid. So that would make sense that it would equal like a Coke. Wow. Wow. You know, it's funny. Markets do this.

Anytime we have a market for something, we do a really good job of giving it ourselves what we want the most. And one market, I was reading this article, have you guys heard of, it's a term now, it's called scromiting.

Have you heard of this? Scromany? This is a disorder. You're vomiting on your scrotum? No. You're vomiting on your scrotum? Whoa. I'm totally scrumeting right now.

Bro, how sick are you right now, dude? I just scrot-stromating. Oh, crap. Dang, dude. I'll give you a moment. You threw up on a bowl. No, no, so scrommeting is, it used to be a very rare occurrence, but they're seeing it more and more.

So this is what it is. This is a condition where people will consume high doses, frequent high doses of cannabis, and they'll develop a disorder where they vomit uncontrollably. Oh, my God. And it's terrible. It's terrible. People will vomit for like days. And they have to go to the hospital as a result.

And the reason why I'm bringing this up, by the way, this is becoming more of a thing is because cannabis became largely legalized. They have to be dabbing in order to do that. That's what that will cause. Bro, what's happened is. It concentrated. Yeah. Our markets,

people are like, oh, cool, weed. Can you make it as strong as possible? And so every year it just gets stronger and stronger. I mean, I shared this. The history on it. So back in the days, in the, in the, 60s and 70s, really high, strong THC weed was like seven, maybe the peak or record was like 11% TACC.

You can't even find that. No, you can't. That's what we would call it dirtweed today. So that was considered like super, super high. Then like even in our generation era, like it was a big deal to see weed that was hitting 20, 21%. That was a big deal. Like typically 15 to 18% THC was high, very high. That's in your cannabis club.

Yeah. And then the clubs got to the. point where you were starting to, people were cross-pollinating and learning how to get, get it to 20, 21. Then you started seeing numbers like 25. Then they started, you could, or they did this a long time ago, you could concentrate to hashish. Hashish would be like 25, 30 percent THC levels or something like that. Dabbing in extracts where you started using things like butane and stuff like that to pull it out,

you could get it up to like 99, 97% THC. So you're talking about something that is almost a hundred times strong. than what it's like in its natural form. And it's just, yeah, I know comatosis somebody when they, when they hit. Not to mention all the chemicals and the other shit that, and I know you can do bubble hash and water. Do you know what it does to the mind, by the way, over time if you smoke it regularly? It does cause low levels of psychosis and paranoia. Sure.

It's just change how you start to think over time. So even people who are like, ah, just use it at night, you know, but you've been doing it for years and years and years. it's definitely changing and molding your brain. Which, you know, back in the day, it was like, oh, weed's not that big of a deal. People just weren't doing it like they are now. And they weren't doing the strength. Yeah.

I mean, it's like how well you start this conversation. It's like, what are we done with everything? It's like, you know, it starts off as the introduction of it. I like this part. How can you get more of this? Yeah, more, more push it. It doesn't help too when the narrative around it ends up, you know, kind of switching to all this positive because like I remember, I mean,

I remember being a part of that. I remember being a part of like, yeah, there's a benefits for people. Yeah, there used to be a stigma around smoking. Yeah. And then, you know, and then we went real hard on all the, the positive things of it. And don't get me wrong. There, there is. I mean, I was a part of, I watched people come in that in, in wheelchairs and with arthritis and eating stuff, eating, trouble eating. I had a lot of people that I got a chance up. But a lot paled in comparison to the mature. That's not the market. Yeah. The market was 90% of people. that were just, what's the strongest thing you have? You know what I'm saying? Like it wasn't, like there was very rarely did. And I, in what we prided ourselves on on those clubs when we had those, we, we were trying to serve the, the, you know, 70-year-old grandma who's never tried it before with arthritis and educate her through the process.

And, you know, we had this little tiny little blonde girl at the front door that greeted you when he came in, not the intimidating security card like everybody did. So we were really trying to be the other side of, you know, serving the people that it was helping. And even then, that was my percentage. Yeah, my, my, my, my, my, um, my opinion on cannabis legalization totally changed. I mean, if you listen to the podcast long enough, you know, I was a huge proponent of, uh, legalization.

And now I see that I thought, I bought into this. I thought more people are not going to use it if it's legal. I thought that it just more, it's not going to change how many people. That's not true. Use is already exploded. Yeah, but I, but don't you, it's still too early, Sal. It's still, it's still new. It's still, I think to, for it to play out the way you're saying,

I don't necessarily think you're wrong in that, with that original statement. How long we have to wait? 50 years. Oh, geez. Oh, yeah. I think something like that. I think it takes a generation of growing up within real, and seeing, like, because here's what's going to happen.

There's a generation of kids right now that were, that are probably, probably your guys as teenage kids age, that grew up around kids that fully adopted it. And their parents don't even care because it was told. so positive about it. And then there's some kids they're gonna be like, yeah, I don't really want to do it. And then it's not gonna be

until they see their lives kind of unfold. And they go, they start to make the connections of like, man, those kids that smoked weed all the time, you know, and where parents let them do it,

like, wow. And then, then I think the next generation gets wiser. Not a bad point. Yeah, so I just think what you're saying, like we're still in the, it's cool, you know, and it's better than these other things.

And so, yeah, I don't know. I think, I think, we'll see, we'll see what it looks like. You know, earlier we were talking about honey. I've been reading a lot about MGO, which let me pull it up. I got some studies on it. Isn't that the main thing that makes the manuka honey special is the MGO? So the company we work with Manukora has the highest concentration of MGO you'll find in any

Manukora honey. So Manukora honey is very high in MGO compared to other forms of honey. Manukora is the highest that you'll find. But it's, so I didn't know this. Did you guys know that NGO is one of the few. things that can actually fight antibiotic resistant bacteria. That's how anti-bacteria it is. It helps

prevent gastric ulcers from ulcer, excuse me, from H. Pylori. So with frequent consumption, it's linked to lower risk. It's good for oral health, reducing plaque, gingivitis, and peridontal disease. That's wild. By targeting... What's wild about that is that what people know about sugar for the teeth is so bad, but yeah, honey is protective. That's because

sugar feeds bad, back. that destroy your teeth. But NGO is antibacterial. Yeah. And it's way more powerful. That's so interesting. It's got activity against Mercer in wounds. You know a few things?

Do you think before we had like things like neosporin? So that's probably what we like. Oliveira and honey. Oliveira and honey is probably what we rubbed all over cuts and burns and stuff. So it's pretty, it's good for, like I said, good for inflammation, digestive health. So this is like, you know, you eat a tablespoon of this. I do a post-workout. and it's good for gut health

and good for inflammation, all those things. It's like a superfood. That's awesome. If there ever was a superfood. That's so awesome. Remind me, too, where's it mainly from? There's a, that they get it from? New Zealand.

New Zealand. Is that the only place they can get it from? Or that's where it's predominantly for? That's a good question. I think it might be the only place. But that's a really good question. Oh, I'm not sure. Yeah, anyway.

I got, so one of our trainers was listening to our podcast live today, and she told me something that I thought was great idea if you're a trainer or coach listening. It was Mary, right? Mary is the one that made that question. She made a comment, but I actually didn't hear what the comment was. I just heard you go, oh, that's a really good idea. So this is what she said. She's a trainer. She's actually part of our course. So people listening, we have trainers here right now that are getting mentored and coached by our coaches to help them build their business. So they're actually going off work on their own, but they're learning from some of our best coaches. And she said that she's been doing this while

listening to the podcast. And it's a really great way for her to learn. So she'll hear us answer or I should say help people on the podcast. So people call in with their fitness and health questions. When we're about to give our answer, she hits pause. She thinks or writes down what her answer is to see if she matches up with us. Like as a way to test herself.

That's great. I thought that was great. That's such a smart. Yeah. I think that's so great way to train yourself how to do that. That reminds me of... Because that's like real people that have... That reminds me of the tip that I heard her Mosey give

when it comes to like memorizing us. script. I'd never heard this before where you have like a, you know, you have a script that has, I don't know, say 35 to 50 words on it or whatever. And he goes, you read it all the way through one time and then you X out one word. Read it through the whole time with that one word missing and then you exit out a second one. And he goes, by time you make it all the way through, you will have that thing. Sure. And it makes total sense. It does. And it's like you're, you're, you're to have to have repeated that 35 to 50 times. It's worth this. Each time you're only, yeah, each time you're only xing out one, or blacking out one word.

I like that. I like it a lot too. I was like, I wish someone told me that in school or taught me that. I was like, that's a really smart strategy to memorize like a short script for that. I love that for learning like how you communicate, I think fitness is,

I mean, if I was a trainer, I mean, I've always talked about how, I mean, a part of this, the motivation behind when we first started this was, you know,

what was inspired by what we would have liked to have had as trainers. I think, I think, I think at this stage, if I'd been listening to us for a long time, the Q&A is what I would get the most of. Totally. Like, I like you guys, like us, you know, and it's like, but if I'm a trainer and I'm like working a lot of hours and I know I don't have time to probably listen to all the podcasts, it's like the Q&As is where I would. Totally. Yeah.

Well, because it makes so easy. I mean, back in the day, we just would know certain trainers that had specialties. Because a lot of times there'd be questions that are like, okay, well, I kind of know. but I know that my friend Dennis, like, he deals with this a lot more than me, and I'm going to ask him this. And so to have like a whole library to then like plug in and find out that subject matter and see how, you know, we kind of go through that with our experience. Well, this is why if you guys aren't familiar with what Eli is building on the back end in the school app, why I think that's going to become one of the most valuable things. So our elite trainer group, okay, that's in the school app, he's building all the Q&As that we've done through Catat. So you can click on one.

Yes. So it's like you got a client related that's fat loss. You got a client related to reverse diet. You have somebody that struggles with an eating disorder. Whatever. There's categories. And then we've done so many that it's like you can listen to five different ways we've communicated that topic to five different types of people.

Well, one of the things that makes a good trainer, a really good trainer, isn't that they give the right answers necessarily? Giving the right answers is like the baseline. So to be a good trainer, you should have more often than not the right answers. or can find the right answer. It's how you communicate those answers. It's how you get buying and how you coach that person through it. Because, you know, exercise, strength, train, eat pro.

Oftentimes it's the same advice that you'll give people. You can, of course, individualize it. But it's how do I communicate this? And then how do I coach this person through the process? That's what makes a trainer really good. It's that the clients follow it and then they like it. And it's a good relationship that they enjoy. And then they end up doing it on their own afterwards.

and that's the coaching aspect. I think if you listen to us, you know, helping people, that's the part that I would say pay attention to. Yeah, it's also the part I think we get most criticized from our peers by because we sound like the no cardio guys or it sounds like there's, you know, for beginners only or it's like, no, it's what's happened. What you hear is, you know, 60 plus years of communicating the people and realizing like, hey, if we had to distill it down to a handful of things,

things that we know impact 90% of the people significantly in their lives. Let's really communicate that hard. And then we can sprinkle in that we are knowledge around the other stuff, but we're really going to drive home. Speaking to that, Adam, there was a statistic I learned years ago managing big box gem. So this was probably 1999 or 2000. And I remember it was in this big meeting with other managers.

We had upper management. And they showed stats on how many people. or what percentage of the population goes to gyms. And it wasn't a big, I don't remember what the percentage. It wasn't big. It was less than 4% back then. It just wasn't big. And what he showed was basically what happens when new gyms open or there's competing

companies is they just pull members from each other. But the reason why they brought this up is they were like, nobody's effectively reaching the rest of the population. There's a big segment of the population. Nobody's able to touch. Now at the time, there was a company called Curves that actually, did a decent job of it. They didn't do a great job keeping them,

and that's a whole nother story. But they were actually reaching people that had basically said, I'm not interested. Fastest growing fitness chain in history still to this day. Right. So, and it inspired me as a trainer,

and I think it inspired even my attitude here with the podcast, which is I'm more interested in getting the average person who has not figured out how to make this part of our life. I'm interested in that person, more than I am in the fitness fanatic.

The fitness fanatic, I'm not as interested. irony of that though is that even the person because I would consider all of us fitness fanatics. Right. I mean, it's what we talk about all day. But the stuff that we teach and apply to our own lives is still applicable. It's not. It's not it's like it's still it's still the truth. It's still what's ideal. It's still it's like now maybe there's been times in my life where I decide I'm going to get crazy and get on stage. And it's like and then those other layers of like. knowledge and discipline and all those extra things come into play. But when I look at my life as a whole of trying to stay healthy, I'm still that person too. Yet I consider myself a fitness fanatic because I do talk about it all day long. It's a part of my life.

So I think even a lot of people that would identify as fitness people still should just kind of really focus on those basics and not get in the weeds with a lot of the other stuff. Yeah, that's why I think we probably get the criticism because we look through a long-term lens. And I think that most fitness professionals, even people that follow the studies and are very like textbook savvy and have this crazy academic background can solve what the client is asking. But they're not looking at what they need. Yeah. And so that's a completely different approach. I remember talking to Ben Greenfield. our good friend who, I mean, he's been in the space for a long time.

And he's like, I started getting into cutting edge and I started running out of things to talk about. He's like, I had to get more cutting edge, more cutting edge, more cutting edge. I'm like, I'm not interested in that. I think it's cool. It's interesting. But I'm trying to help people here. I still remember that conversation with him.

Remember that? He had been doing it for years before us. And we were like, so curious to like, you know, how come you don't really talk a lot about? He's like, man, I talked about that for a long time. And then I got bored just talking about that. And so then I was into the next stuff. And it just kept, he just kept to follow his interests.

Right. And he kept drifting away from like the average person. Yeah. You know, who needs his own. There's definitely, I mean, he's got an incredible community of people that are super interested. Yeah. And all that. And he is the great, I think he's one of the best people in my opinion to test that stuff because he checks the boxes and all the other things.

But for the average person, it's just like, yeah, that stuff is like, there's like three simple things for you to do if you just do that. I'm going to change directions here real quick because. you know, butcher box was talking to, you know, people that manage our account, talking about how popular the mine pump boxes. Did you hear this? It's a really popular box

that people are going and get. Doug, what are the cuts in the mind? These are our favorite cuts. So I know there's tri-tip in there. I think the nuggets are in there. Apparently, people agree with us. All the things were like, I think, was it ribs?

I want to say it took, yeah, ribs. It literally, I think they took. It's all the ones that we like. Yeah. And so it's a specific box for the cuts that, We like.

I mean, it's doing well because I think everybody, like, okay, we've been getting these boxes for, I don't know how long. We've all had most, most everything from there. And everybody has a favorite thing or two. What are the things that are in our box? Are you looking at it? I'm pretty sure it's ribs, chicken nuggets. I want a steak to flat iron steaks maybe. Yeah, look at it.

Because I know, I tried tip has to be in there. I know, I know ribs was my con. Man, that's like a staple for everybody for us to get the ribs from there. I stock up all the time. You're like the ribs master. Those, it's those ribs. I have, I am not the ribs master. I have cooked all kinds of,

there's been times when I'm out of butcher box ribs and I have to go buy ribs from someone else. And I have, I have my formula and recipe to like making a lot of the, the meat that I cook and the smoker, like down to the minute, science degree, everything, right? And I have tried multiple times. Is it because it's heritage pork?

That's what I asked before. If that, like, does that make that? that big of a difference on the tenderness and the flavor and the way they taste because I now Katrina of course she's my wife she's sweet she says things like oh no honey these are good it's like no I can tell there's a huge difference between that do you find it Doug I'm sorry you find it yeah I did so it's ribbyes chicken thighs steak steak tips strip steak tips tips uh chicken nuggets flat iron that's what it was it was a steak tip that I put in there and that's what I will agree that there's something different about those ribs because I did it for a friend of mine

He said, these are the best ribs I've ever had. I can't figure it. It's got to be heritage pork. It's got to be the pork. I mean, is that so uncommon, though? Is it that uncommon? Do most grocery store baby back ribs not have? No.

Yeah, I seriously doubt they do. Okay. The average store is not going to have. And what, what, do you know the difference between heritage pork and rice? I think it's the feed largely and how they're raised. So a lot of pigs are just given a lot of crap. Yeah. And I'm not sure about the butcher box pigs,

but I know that some are giving... I know it's labeled heritage pork and I know that's unique. What I don't know is like what that entails. Does that mean they get a certain type of feed for so long? Does that mean they're not fattened up a certain way? Like, I don't understand it, but I know from... I know the flavor.

I've cooked a lot of ribs and I've cooked a lot of non-butcher box ribs and I still cannot unlock being able to cook other ribs to the, to as good as I cook those ribs. So it's night and day different. So it's a different genetics. They're different types of- So it's like a different breed of pig. Different, yeah.

And farming practices are different. Nutrition is different. So they're from traditional older pig breeds. Interesting. Often called heritage breeds that have been preserved for the genetic diversity, hardiness, and historical significance. Oh, wow. So these include varieties like Berkshire, Dorok, Red Waddle, Tamworth,

and Glucastershire, old spot. So these all originated before, modern industrial farming. Regular pork comes from hybrid breeds, optimized for large scale. Precisely. Production. Wow. So breeding and raising methods are different.

Okay, so that makes a lot of sense. So they're considered superior in flavor due to higher intramuscular fat. That's why. They have more marbling. That explains so much now. Because all the other ribs I always buy, they're always a little bit bigger.

They're always a little bit bigger than the other ones, right? So then I always got to cook a little bit longer. Yeah, regular pork. It says here is blander, milder, and less complex. Yeah. So just less flavor. Yeah.

That's exactly. Nails it. This is exactly what I have figured out with it. It's just like those drip off this. They have high. So it's got more fat in it, right? But it's got higher levels of beneficial fats. Higher in omega-3s because of their pasture diets.

Vitamins and minerals due to diverse foraging and natural. So it is also, not only is it tastier, but it's got more nutrients like omega-3s in there. Well, there you go. Yeah. Huge wins. Yeah. I'm not a pork fan, but I've had your ribs. And they're good.

They're on another level good. And I, and I, now that this makes so much sense now because I've been like, what am I not doing? What am I not doing to make up for that,

that flavor difference? And I've always noticed that they're, uh, the other ones are a little bit bigger. They're like, they're always a little bit bigger than the baby back ribs

that I get from butcher box, but they just never taste as good. They don't ever taste as good, dude. Oh, yeah. Well, there you go,

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Back to the show. First question is from Leslie Brook W.S. My 10-year-old daughter struggles with the mechanics of a barbell row. What could I replace it with for now? Oh, yeah. Barbell row is difficult because you have to bend over, support your body while doing the row, which makes it harder. Yeah, and it's harder to get the scapular retraction and the squeeze.

If you have access to a seated row or a cable row, that's the easiest way to get the mechanics. if you're stuck with free weights, you could do a one-arm dumbbell row with your hand on the bench, knee on the bench, nice good posture. Then you can get that shoulder blade to come over the back at that scapular retraction. Can you even do dumbbells?

You can do dumbbells here. You could do a T-bar row. A T-bar for a daughter sometimes is a little uncomfortable. Chess-supported can be hard for girls. Yeah, yeah, so I'm saying. For a girl, I said, it could be a little more. 10-year-old girl, though, probably be okay. T-bar row would probably be a good option here.

Yeah, really, there's a lot of different options. options. I think I like best that of everything you said, though, single dumbbell row is probably that's the one I always go to. Yeah, the most fundamental good one to teach. The key with that is like really teaching good mechanics in it because what you'll find is when a kid or anybody, for this matter, but in particular a young kid trying to learn how to lift is in that position where they're leaning over. The gravity is like pulling their scapula over and you've got to learn to teach them to as they row to pull that. You know what I do? I'll put the bench on a low incline.

So I raise it just enough. It's more like this. And they can put their hand on or I'll raise it up higher and they put their elbow right to put them in a better position. Yeah. But what you want with the row is obviously you're rowing the way. So you want the bar to come up. But what you want are the shoulder blades to come back together and down. So you want to avoid shrugging and you will want to avoid the scapular remaining forward.

So it looks like this kind of forward shoulder as they're rowing. That's poor mechanics. So you want everything to come back. One of the things I might teach with someone that that's this young, too, is go get like really light dumbbells that they're just like 10 pound dumbbells they're holding and get behind them and actually put them in position. Put them in position. So that like they're almost in the exact same position they will be in for a barbell row, but they're holding these independent weights that I can then get behind them and actually articulate their scapula back and like, tell her, okay, drive your elbows back. And then I actually will take her scapula and then squeezing you like, no, this is what I mean by back. Feel that?

And then she was like, oh, okay, then I'll let her come forward. Then, okay, pull her back. And then once she gets that, okay, this is what I'm supposed to feel. Okay, now I can grab a barbell and now I can do that movement. Yeah, I went through this actually recently with my son and two to just get into that position where he's like at that 45 degree, had him hold on to the squat rack with one hand and do it with a dumbbell on the other. So it's like at least he can solidify that position, hold and brace properly. so he's supporting his lower back.

And then we go through that with the mechanics. And then, you know, eventually we'll get to the barbell. Next question is from Nancy Holmes. Once you've chased strength, focused on how you feel, sleep, libido, and all that is good. But your aesthetics have not caught up. What should you do next?

Be patient. People think this is like an overnight thing or that's going to happen. It takes a long time. Or they think, oh, cool, I'm going to do the things you guys said. And then once I see some, with that. Now I'm going to focus on aesthetics. Yeah. The aesthetics follow. It's right. The aesthetics follow. It'll reveal itself.

The other stuff doesn't follow. You never stop focusing on those things. You always keep focusing on those things. And the aesthetics will follow. You don't have to go chase the aesthetics. You keep focusing on those things. And if those things keep staying good or keep improving, the aesthetics will. That's right. You ever see that one meme where the guy's digging, you know, and then on the other side of this, this hole is like treasure, but he just stops, like right, You know, with a couple inches before is what I think of. Now, the other part could be diet. You know, sometimes you're getting stronger and whatever,

and you might just need to tighten up your diet a little bit. Yeah. And you might just need to tighten up your diet a little bit. Yeah. Diet can definitely play a big role in aesthetics. But honestly, focus on those things. You can tighten up. Eating well can start to do all that.

But then if you don't consistently hit your protein intake right now and eat whole foods, that could be the next layer to this if you're not already doing that. But if you're doing that, then it's just a matter of time. If you consistently hit your protein intake, you eat mostly whole foods and you keep focusing on the sleep, libido, like that, the aesthetics will follow. They just will. Next question is from Ryan W. Richards. It's been a while since you spoke about the benefits of full spectrum CBD. Do you still find benefits based on emerging research or has it become overhyped?

The overhyped period is over. There was a period there where they were like CBD soap. I think I saw CBD shoes. It's like, how does that work? I mean, it's overhyped because it works. I mean, geez, I've been using the CBD a lot lately trying to improve and work on my sleep. I haven't had good sleep in a long time. One of the things I'm using right now is CBD.

So, and it does help. So, I mean, I think the reason why, why something gets overhyped is because there's some value. There's some value and effectiveness to it. And then if it can be mass produced like CBD can, it becomes, then it becomes the cure all for everything. You know what I'm saying? And so it dilutes because of quality of all the companies that are producing it. Yeah. Yeah, no.

So that's, I don't, I don't think we've changed our opinion on CBD at all. At least I haven't. I mean, I still, I'm still. CBD is interesting because it enhances your bodies, all of how your body. body's endocannabinoids operate or how you feel them. So you produce cannabinoids yourself in your body. Using CBD seems to enhance those ones that you naturally make. So CBD is by itself.

It's not psychoactive. It's not like THC or anything else. It doesn't have those effects. But it enhances the effects of your natural endocannabinoids. So what tends to happen with people is they just kind of feel better. It can help some people with anxiety, sleep, inflammation. You know those kinds of things. Yeah.

next question is from Stacey Thomas photography. Is it okay to bounce around programs, depending on circumstances? I bounce around from Muscle Mami MAPS 15, MuscleMummy 15, suspension, or anabolic. If it's how you can stay consistent, it's totally fine. And I'm answering this because the person said,

depending on circumstances. So I'm assuming your muscle mommy 15, is a time crunch. Suspension is because I'm at home. Right. Anabolic is when I got more time. Yep. which is totally fine.

Now, ideally, in a perfect world, which doesn't exist, but in a perfect world, you would follow just a program. But if this is how you're able to say consistent, this is great. There's nothing wrong with it whatsoever. It's hard to add to that. It's that simple. It's like if you have the option and you'll consistently follow maps and a ball the way it's laid out inside of a gym, just like that,

you'll get more like, you'll get more bang for your buck. But not at the cost of you, not being able to do it sometimes because you're inconsistent and you have to train from home and could only use your suspension trainer. And so because of that, bouncing from muscle, you know, muscle mommy 15 and suspension anabolic

is complete, in fact, encouraged if it was like, oh my God, I can't get the gym and do anabolic, but what I can do is grab my suspension trainer do that.

Is that okay? Like, yeah, hell yes, that's okay. That's great. And that's one of the things that will keep you somebody. Again,

this is a love changing that, you know, I'm the person who's following mast anabolic to, I'm just somebody who works out three times a week. Yeah, great. You know, I just work out three times a week.

Now, I love to try and follow Maps Anabolic all the time, but sometimes I can't. Sometimes I only have 15 minutes. Sometimes I can just grab my suspension trainer. And so that is an awesome way to live your life. Perfect. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. We'll see you. It's at Mind Pump Media.

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