Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2756 : The 10 Best Breakfast Foods for Lean Muscle Gains

Episode Date: December 24, 2025

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That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. In our experience, the most difficult meal, the one that gets the day started, The one that sets the tone that can make or break you. Breakfast. This is just true in coaching and in personal training. If you win breakfast, everything else gets a lot easier.

By the way, the data shows it actually influences your blood sugar for the rest of the day as well, regardless of what you eat later on. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to talk about the 10 best breakfast foods for lean gains. I love this. I'm so glad you're doing this right now. I'm going to send this to my – I just was hitting golf balls with my buddy this weekend, and he was asking me, like, what to do for breakfast foods.

And then I also, I think I shared with Josh on my stories yesterday that I, or not last week, I went on this rant about, because people were asking about breakfast food items. I struggle with that. I'm like, you do realize, like, that's been made up, right? Such a category that people already assume there's only like this amount of options. Yeah. No caveman rolled over and went like, I need to kick up some pancakes. And he almost like, no, dude, like he wouldn't kill an animal. He's got away for lunch.

Yeah, he wouldn't killed an animal. And that's what. It's like we've, but it just shows you how well we've been marketed to do and condition that these foods, or this is what we're supposed to eat in their breakfast so much to where we have these cravings and things around that when it's like, man, nothing stops you from the ground beef and rice that you had for dinner just now becomes breakfast. And if you want to make it feel a little breakfast, he cracks some eggs over the top of it. You know what I'm saying? No, we've been speaking, you've been speaking to that for a long time, Adam. I mean, there are some challenges, you know, time. people tend not give themselves much time in the morning.

Appetite. Some people will say they're not super hungry in the morning. But you know, here's a deal. Like, you'll hear us preach the value of eating a high protein diet. And the data on this is pretty good. It's actually very good. Some of the best data on diet is on high protein. And it shows that, you know, high protein diet does better for most people for most goals.

Fat loss, muscle gain, health. It just does well. And high high protein builds muscle better and burns body fat a bit more effectively, tends to produce more satiety. But the challenge is, you know, if you're 150 pound female and you're aiming for 130 grams of protein a day, that means your breakfast should be about 30 to 40 grams of protein. Otherwise, you're going to have two meals with 70 grams of protein each meal. Good luck. Yeah, yeah. So getting the day started is difficult.

And this is where people tend to screw up. So a lot of the foods on this list are high protein. Yeah, and I just want to speak to because, like, I used to be the person that's like, I mean, breakfast is the easiest one to skip all the time because of that fact. Like, I don't really need it per se, but it's something you have to train. Like, I literally had to train myself to start, like, slowly introducing it, like eating just little bits and then expand from there. But you build an appetite. Like, you build a hunger for it. And it's beneficial for you to, especially when you, like, bring.

protein in the mix there to keep your blood sugar managed throughout the day as well. So there's a lot of benefit too. I think the intermittent fasting thing really kind of like got away from us. It's so, it's so hard to, and I get it, if intermittent fasting is working for you to control weight gain and it's made your life better, healthier than I'm not telling someone to stop doing that. But most people that are either plateaued or can't see change in their physique and they're intermittent fasting or they're skipping breakfast, have a really hard time hitting the protein intake. And just like I was explaining to my buddy, it's like who's working out five, six days in his garage doing this stuff. And I'm like, you're doing all this work to do this, but then you're

giving your body 60 grams of protein a day like it ain't going to build any muscle. Now you're burning calories, lubricating the joints, you're moving, getting a heart rate up a little bit. Those are all better than nothing. There's better than nothing, right? That's good for you. But the bit, the most beneficial part of strength training is the ability to pack muscle on your body because of its protective issues because of how much it increases your metabolic rate because of the metabolic flexibility that you get from it like strength you get from it like but you can't get that if you don't give it the materials that it needs to go build that and that really in my opinion and my experience starts with breakfast ever i don't care male female who it is all clients have always struggled

with hitting protein and if they don't if they don't get that 30 to 50 grams right out the gate, playing ketchup is really, really different. Yeah, like I said, if you're a woman aiming, even for 100 grams of protein a day, which for most women would not be the target that we're looking at, right? The target we tend to preach here is about one gram per pound of target body weight. So unless you're 100 pound female, it's probably more than this, but 100 grams. Let's just say 100 grams. That's 33 grams of protein for breakfast.

That's, what is that, five or six eggs, you know? And most men don't eat five or six. eggs in the morning, let alone women. But let's go through some of these foods. I mentioned the first one, which is eggs. Eggs are thankfully a breakfast food. People consider them a breakfast food. And they're also one of the most nutrient complete foods on the planet.

It's nature's multivitamin. It's got high quality, the highest quality protein you'll find. It's got coline in it, which some people would say is conditionally essential. It's got great effects on cognitive function. Whole eggs have a better effect on muscle building than egg whites do, even when they control for calories. So they've done this where they've studied, where they've compared whole eggs to egg white protein. There's something in the yolk, I would argue it's the cholesterol that contributes to muscle building. So whole eggs at the top.

It's one of the best foods you could possibly eat. That's got to be number one for sure. I agree. But I also think it's important to note that eggs alone are not enough. No. Because unless you're the, you know, guy or girl that sits down and can eat eight of them. That's hard. To do.

Most people, it's somewhere between one and four. Yeah. Most people, one to four eggs is. Rocky could do. Yeah, it's pretty typical of what you have. And so even though it's the most, that's why you hear me always say, crack the eggs over that ground beef and rice type of meal, whatever dinner you had, if you want to make it feel more breakfasty, you know. I like to think of it as like protein boosts. That's how I think, too.

And that's exactly what I mean is like I can eat a little bit smaller portion that I had for dinner. I can now have for breakfast. And then I crack three eggs over it. And now I've got the, I make up the protein there. I get the benefits of cholesterol like you're saying. And I think a lot of people, they eat eggs. And so they think, oh, I get a lot of protein. It's like, no, you have two eggs and some toast.

They're small. Yeah, that is not a high protein meal. Next, cottage cheese. This was a bodybuilding staple for decades. And then it kind of fell out of favor, which is interesting. I don't know why. It's very versatile. It's high in protein.

It's very healthy. It's got high in weigh protein. Way protein. Everybody likes a supplement with that. Casein. And you can add anything to it because it's flavors. It doesn't really... It's pretty neutral.

It's neutral. And you can go whole fat. Cottage cheese. You can go fat free if you want to add some other fats and seeds and nuts or whatever if your calories are an issue. But cottage sheet, and it's super easy. It's in the fridge. You pull it out. Boom.

And it's a whole. food. It's a whole natural food. This one is, this one was one I recommended my clients all the time for breakfast. We've just been referring too much about people's fat deposits, I think. Oh. It's cottage cheese. Yeah. I wonder what, you know, I wonder why it did fall off there. You know, I, this was so popular. Cottage cheese. Maybe it still is in the bodybuilding work, because it was when I was doing it, I ate a lot of cottage cheese. And my favorite, I don't know what you guys is favorite, cottage cheese and pineapple go together. Perfect. Yeah. So sliced pineapple and cottage cheese is like one of my favorite things to have for breakfast. And it is so, so high

protein. It is. Very, very high protein. So this would be an example of somebody who does like eggs, because eggs cook up really fast, is a few eggs and a cup of cottage cheese. And you're good. Now you're good. Now you have a high protein. So the Italian in you is okay with that? Just not on pizza? No, no. Don't put pineapple on pizza. I was like, do people put cottage cheese on pizza? I was like, what are you talking about? The same people that put pineapple on pizza will probably try something That's what I figure. Next up is Greek yogurt. Greek yogurt.

This one's more popular now nowadays. And you can even buy weight protein fortified Greek yogurt now. So now they sell these little cups. And they're like 25, 30 grams. Yeah. I mean, my daughter, this is what she has for breakfast in the morning. She hates eating in the morning before school. But she started getting into lifting and is now trying to hit more, you know, higher protein.

And this is her go-to and tastes good. Super convenient, super fast. It's good for people who are on the go. Greek yogurt, go for it. So I take these, like you're talking about, there's brands, there's several brands that make 15 to 20 grams in the little cups. I do two of those cups,

which takes it to 40, and then I'll take a half a scoop of whey protein. Just mix it in there. That vanilla goes even better with it, and then it sprinkle berries on it. And if you want more granola and honey, and you've got this 50 gram breakfast, it's super protein dense.

Parfay that you have to start your day off. And it's so fast. so easy to do. This is like a go-to for sure. Next, ground beef. Ground beef is one of my favorite animal proteins. It's super versatile. You can make it in bulk. You could cook up three pounds of it, put it in the fridge, take some out, you know, portion it out, or portion it out, I should say, and then warm it up in the microwave, boom. You've got yourself a nice source of protein, and then you can add, you know, carbs, pretty much any kind of carb to this. Well, this is to your point about when people say they don't have a lot of time.

Like, I don't recommend cooking your ground beef in the morning. It's like you have ground beef for dinner. And then you just do it in bulk like you're saying. And then you've got it already. And so it's literally the time that it takes to boil an egg real quick, you can have it heat it right up and then have that all mixed together. And it makes for a really good breakfast. Yeah, at any given moment in my house,

we have one to two pounds of ground beef in the fridge. And we just use that all the time. Next, the best fruit, I think you could possibly eat berries. berries of all types. Raspberrys, blueberries, high in fiber. High in antioxidants.

They've got good carbohydrates. They're low glycemic index. They taste great with everything. This is a real super food. Like, you know, people, I think berries are so easy to get. We just forget.

We like to think of exotics. You're like, berries in terms of antioxidant, you know, fiber, micronutrients, like they are incredible. And low calorie for all that.

Yeah. They're so dense. Yeah. So you get a ton of them. ton of nutrients for a low amount of calories, and so they go well with a lot of the things you talked about. And then, you know, we'll get to more of the denser carbohydrate sources, oatmeal.

This is still a favorite. You know what I like about oatmeal? Is that it's fast, and if you want a fast, high-protein carbohydrate meal with fiber, you could take your oatmeal and add a couple scoops of protein powder. And you're done. And it takes you two minutes to have a breakfast.

This was under the go-to for a lot of my clients, was oatmeal and protein. Um, other starches grits. Love grits. It requires a little bit of cooking, uh, but it's a starchy carbohydrate gluten-free. A lot of people can tolerate this. Southern option. Yep.

Were you ever on a grits kick? Oh, yeah. I never got a grits kick. You can buy instant grits. Right. So like, like they're like in cream of wheat packets. Yeah, yeah. And you add a little bit of water.

Uh, and this is when my gut was really sensitive. So now I can eat other things, but I needed a carbohydrate and it was like white rice and then like what else? Grits. I could have grits. So will grits be better for you than oatmeal? or cream of wheat. Back then, for sure.

Oh, wow. Even now, but now I can eat, you know, more foods. But it's super easy to digest. Then you have potato. Any kind of potato. But luckily, this is considered another breakfast food. So super easy. Hashbreads.

Yep. Protein shake. Here's your kind of last option. Although I do think it's a good idea to blend it with some berries and add a little bit of fat, just so you have more of a complete meal. But you could definitely have a smoothie in the morning. Yeah. And then last, well-cove.

spinach. Not a lot of people like to eat vegetables in the morning, but I think it's a good idea to throw some of that in. Yeah, you have like an omelet or something like that. You definitely has some spinach in there. And so these foods here, like out of all these foods, you could put them together, pair them, and you've got yourself some really good options and many of them don't require any preparation at all or very little and hit the ground running. Like if you start your day off, combine them all. You start the day off with 30 to 50 grams of protein. You're on track. You're on to hitting your targets. Your blood sugar is more stabilized throughout the day.

The CGM studies show that. So regardless of what you eat throughout the rest of the day, high protein tends to stabilize blood sugar, which influences your behaviors, your mood, your cravings. And for athletic performance purposes, it's better. So there you have it. My favorites of all these for me, I like the food from the night before.

I tend to have brown beef, rice, and maybe some berries and I'll just boom, pop it in the microwave. The reason why I think that why that's become such a staple tip that I give to people

is that I would say the number one hurdle that I have with anybody with getting them to a 30 to 50 gram breakfast consistently, okay, is time. There's the occasional client that I've had

that wakes up an hour and a half, two hours before they have the good work. It's always a time thing. Yeah, it's almost always, I just don't have the time to prepare this. breakfast. And so to me, what solves that is, okay, well, everybody, no one ever complained about time for dinner. I've never had a client go like, I don't have time for dinner. Everybody's been able to have time for dinner.

That's the one meal someone will cook. That's right. And so it's like, so just train yourself to double, triple or quadruple the size of meat that you cook. And then there's your breakfast. That in the morning, literally with eggs. And I've done all of it with, if you're cooking chicken, I mean, I slice up chicken rice and have egg over it. Like, it just makes through this great little breakfast. bowl and throw some salsa, a little bit of cheese on it too, and you've got this incredible breakfast bowl. And it's high 30 to 50 plus grams of protein. And then when you're there, it's so much easier attacking the rest of the day when you've got one third or half of your protein intake done for breakfast. Then you can get away with these little 10 to 20 grams snack things or what like that. That makes sense. But if you're behind, it's so tough to it. Totally. And I'd like to ask you, Justin, because of all of us, you were the,

the I won't eat breakfast, or I don't eat breakfast, the longest guy. You did it for a long time. And at one point, who was it that recommended you eat breakfast? Was it Dr. Cabral's team? I think it was Cabral. Yeah. And what was it for? Was it cortisol?

Was it this? Yeah, this cortisol was off. Yeah, I think it was affecting my metabolism on, you know, it felt a bit slower in terms of like, yeah, I mean, metabolizing food. And I just felt the energy shift was, was way significant for me when I was starting to, eat more breakfast, I was like had sustainable energy throughout the day. So I used to get like a lot more like crashes, like randomly. Yeah, what's interesting is fasting will give you short term energy because of the boost, the catacolamines stuff, but I think it burns you out. Yeah, it did for me. Like initially fasting will give me more energy. But if I kept doing it, I had no energy. It's not a

sustainable approach. Yeah, it was, yeah, it was convenient for me because like I, I would just drink coffee and then I would eat a bigger meal for lunch and then dinner. But yeah, in terms of, me thriving and having consistent energy throughout the day. Breakfast is way better. All right, dude, I got to tell you. I've been holding this in. I was going to tell Adam this earlier,

but I'm like, I'm going to wait for the show. Wait for the podcast. Before you go, they interrupt you. Because you're saying something that I was telling. I was with old buddies I haven't seen for a really long time. You know who they all are. They're all connected to the Jay and all those guys. I linked up with a bunch of them yesterday and stuff.

They were catching up for a long time, asking all about the show, the business, and that that. And the thing that everybody is always like trips out is how little we actually all hang out outside of the podcast. Oh, really? What? You guys don't hang out all the time. I'm like, no. And I said, you know, and it wasn't like we plan this to your point right now you're about to make. I said, but I think it makes for a better authentic conversation because we all have this incredible respect, brotherhood, love for each other. And it's,

and obviously feels like a friendship because it's that and more, more I'd say more like family. But we don't see each other. And so there's this every time we get together, there's, this, you know, organic conversation of like, oh, I can't wait to tell how to Mc Justin about this or like that. And it's like, we really haven't had that conversation. So anyway, so I just had to say that because they were, well, we hang out. We hang out when we, this is what we do for work is we're always, we're talking and hanging out and working. It's like, yeah, we need a break. This is a total hang. Yeah. We'd be all awkward together outside and be like, yeah, we were talking about everything.

I already know, I already know what's going. Yeah, dude. Anyway, so, um, I'll read to you guys this post. And so SpaceX is getting set up to go public, right? And they're going to, they're calling it the biggest IPO, they think, in history. It's going to be valued at $1.5 trillion. Out the gates? Dollars is what they're valid. Yeah.

It'll beat the previous record, which was 20. We're going to go harvest minerals from the moon, aren't they? No, dude. Listen. How does something, how does something that is, because it's not technically cash flowing yet. Spacex? Yeah.

Cash flow? Oh yeah. Or generating revenue. Generating revenue and cash flow positive is different. You've taken satellites from like everybody. Tell me if it's cash flow positive. So, listen. I just have such a hard time wrapping my brain around some of these evaluations.

Which took me down the rabbit hole. Remember when we called out was the total? Where's that? Have you guys seen that stock? I don't know where it's at now. He did that though. We knew that. It's like, yeah.

It's cash flow. Yeah. It's pretty. profitable. Is it? Yeah, so they had significant losses prior, but Starlink, internet constellation, reports indicating substantial revenue growth and strong cash flow in 2024 and even more in 2025. So this is a little bit old.

Yeah, they're all tied into it. So here's a deal. Here's a deal. Elon won. I'll tell you guys why he won. So let me just read to you this post. And this is what he was talking about. So the future of tech is AI.

Unless something radical weird happens, I think we all can agree. Can I guess, because I don't know. Can I guess kind of where this is like, yes. Is he basically, the way Amazon flipped the funnel on its head and back toward everybody. Yeah.

And like, down the control all, like, he's going to do the same thing with the internet and type of stuff, right? So he's going to basically going to get it to everybody for free. So everybody goes through him

because we're all used to paying all these fees for all that. And you're going to be able to connect your phones, connect all your stuff. He'll take with that, but now all traffic will go through him. Something like that. You're on the right path.

Okay. That's not exactly. Okay, okay, okay. So when you're talking about with Amazon, Amazon holds, they have all the storage. So if you're, if you want storage. That's what Oracle's doing. You got to go,

well, here's a deal with AI. And here's why he won. There's one bottleneck with AI and it's energy. Yes. It's incredibly. It's why the theory that engineer, I mean, electricians are going to get paid three, four hundred thousand dollars a year in the next decade.

So trip, trip off this. Okay. Oracle just reported earnings. They burned through 12 billion in one quarter building data centers. Yes. Their free cash flow is negative 10 billion. They missed revenue.

Microsoft, Amazon, Google, all scrambling to find enough electricity for AI training. Here's the math, okay? The U.S. generates 490 gigawatts of total power. AI by itself is projected to need by 2035, a hundred and twenty-three gigawatts. Yeah. By itself. Yeah.

Goldman Sachs said AI energy demand could jump 165% by 2030. Sorry, they're trying to create their own little mini suns. Well, in other words, there's. not enough power on Earth to run AI at the scale. These companies are promising. Right. Every data center needs cooling systems, billions of gallons of water per year. The infrastructure, we don't have the infrastructure.

No. However, SpaceX is building data centers in space. Of course. And these satellites are going to go up, these Starlink V3 satellites, are going to go up there with AI computing chips. And they're going to get 24-7 solar power, 24-7. So, dude, this is the exact one. ships are going to deliver. Ready for this? 300 to 500 gigawatts

of solar-powered AI satellites into orbit every single year. The AI computing power in space would exceed the entire U.S. total economy of electricity within two years. Just from satellites. Now, here's what's crazy about this. 80% of the satellites put out

in space, SpaceX. Nobody sends up satellites. They can't. They don't have the ability. SpaceX is it controls that market. So all energy and power will go through him. You have to. just like Amazon. So same thing. Just like the way you purchase anything these days. And there's no way anybody can compete unless they can come up with a way to launch more. And that's such a heavily regular. SpaceX is there. They're there, dude. And if you combine that

with Tesla, so all these Tesla cars, I don't know if you guys heard Elon say this. When they're all parked, they're going to be using the computer power as AI to, so he's basically creating a giant computer with all these Teslas as well. So you have that plus Starlink, plus Spacex, he won. Now the 4G microwave people have to be freaking out. Oh, my God. The 5G guys. The 5G microwave people have got to be freaking out right now

that we're all sitting in a giant microwave and we're about to put ourselves in a bigger one. Well, I don't know because, so what's crazy about this to me, and this is why I'm like, oh, dude, when they go public, I'm going to put a lot in there. If they're the only ones, they're launching 80% of the satellites, I don't care who, what company, wins with AI.

It's just like, it's just like Amazon. Exactly. All these companies can try and rival. They have the data set. Yeah, they have the full control of that. So you have all these satellites in space that are just solar.

And every two years, they'll be able to get another 300 to 500 gigawatts. That's so cool. So smart. He's like so, he plays chess, dude. Everybody's doing it in this race over here. So is he doing with the boring company

then like with all these tunnels. Oh, I don't know. I know that's another one. I'm always trying to, yeah, keep track. So I saw that and I'm like, so immediately, of course, I reach out to my cousins who are all, you know, investors. Dude, get me, like, how can I get it before IPO? Speaking of that, I've seen all our emails coming through. This is the most I've ever seen all the companies that were invested in come through at the same time.

I've seen all of them. I saw yours. I saw Dynasty come through. I saw LMOTE come through. Is that the end of year earnings? Is that way? Yeah, but it is. Third quarter stuff.

Yeah, but even that being said, I don't know if I've ever seen all of them come together at one time. Have you? I have. They tend to come in. Really? Oh, that's the most I've ever seen them all back to back to back to back like that. So where all the earnings are. Speaking of companies, I know we're Chris Power wants to keep working with us.

They've hit a home run. Yeah. So people are familiar. These are pretzels, protein pretzels. So good. But they're like, they're high. The feedbacks, been crazy. 26 grams for a snack, bro.

26 grams in a bag, like a little tiny bag. I mean, you just started this podcast episode about like these in our whole. point was talking about these high proteins things like that's a class example if you've gone and if you go get 30 to 50 grams of protein you can have a snack at like 26 like that and really boost i mean think about that you have a 40 say 40 gram breakfast and then your snack at 10 or 11 is like these is a bag of pretzels yeah of nach flavor to whatever have some pretzels with some string cheese or a little people like and now you got like 30 35 grams i mean you're talking about bumps you're right back up but here's why they're this is why they're here's why they're

Crushing. Protein is great, but there's a lot of places you can get 26 grams. Here's why. It's hyper. It's palatable. Yeah. It's like a bag of potato chips. Yeah.

It doesn't taste like a high protein snack. It tastes like you got something from the vending machine. Yeah. And you're, so, you know, that's, that's the, I guess, the risk is you're probably going to want to eat two bags of this. So they're going to, that's why they hit it out of the park. No, it's doing good. Crush it. Yeah.

They don't last year. Art, editors and trainers are gone. No, they love them. Oh, yeah. They're totally gone. We have to hide some for it. No, I'm excited. I'm excited.

That was one of the first. Yeah, surprising, actually, for me. Really? Yeah, they're good. And I just was, like, surprised at the feedback. Everybody loves them. I mean, I've learned now, we've been doing this for so long now to not, to not get too excited about something.

And I think this is going to be amazing to not like, I mean, everything from all these different brands that we've worked to, some stuff resonates and some people love stuff. But, I mean, I think it's the, that high of a protein snack that's palatable, it tastes good. Yeah. That's just, I think everybody is. I think everybody's going to do the same struggle. like how can I like increase that because you know you start going through and like eating a bunch of meat and you're like oh my god it's like overwhelming yeah once you realize how much you got to get yeah all right I got uh so this doesn't happen very often well let me ask you guys how often does this happen these days because we've been doing this for so long I mean how old were you guys when you first set foot in a gym how old were you guys 16 13 you're 13 60 okay we're pretty consistent same here till since then rarely do I see a new machine that gets me excited Oh, did you get your...

I've seen it all. I did. Oh, okay. Did it, did it, did it, did it, did it hit? Like, the way you thought it was to hit? Oh, it did. Yes, dude. It did.

Now, you know what it was, yeah. It's the row one. It's like where you, he's on a sled and he, and he rose like this. So I think... I thought it was crazy. He bought it before he even, like, did it. Well, I mean, I... Obviously, we all know.

And you guys can guess. We're pretty good. I can look at a machine and be like, oh, I'm going to feel that. Is it on a track as you're coming up? Yes. So it's a new style of back machine. It almost looks like a hack squat. Kind of.

Right. And so rarely do they come out with new machines. They've all been invented, I think. But I was on, you know, I see these pro bodybuilders, because sometimes they're in my reels. And there's this, like, new design for a back machine. And what it looks like, it's like you're sitting back on this bench. So your butts on the bench, you're doing almost like a bent over row. But it's at an angle.

Then you're doing a row on a track. And I'm just looking at it. I'm like, oh, man, that would give me the. craziest, like lat and mid back squeeze. Like I would get such a crazy squeeze just from that angle. And then I found one for my home gym. So I bought one and I put it in. Oh, yeah, dude.

So I imagine. So what I... You could really, like if I want to smash my lats with that I can by pushing down. Yeah. Or there's a higher grip where I get the upper back. Dude, it's amazing. I imagine, I imagine it's like how much we all probably like the T bar row without that pressure.

Because one of the worst parts about the chest pressure. Yeah. Bingo. One of the worst parts about the T bar row is, You start pulling some serious weight, and there's some, like, serious pressure, you know, on your chest. And you're trying to breathe the same time of your wrist. It's nice to be supported, though, like that. I mean, but this, but this is because your hips are locked in.

Because you're sitting back on this. Exactly. His hips are locked in. So he is kind of supported. It's not, it doesn't put pressure on your low back. Yeah. You don't have to. That's the thing about a barbell row is it's great, but the limiting factor for a lot of people is just how much they can bend over with.

Yeah. This is like, that's funny. Oh, dude. It is fun. Like, machines. It seems like it's just, it makes it fun. Well, it prompted this conversation. First off, I used it, and my wife used it, and I trained my daughter on it, which I'll tell you guys about a little bit.

But everybody loves it. I love it. But what prompted this is we were having lunch the other day, and my niece and my daughter, they love to ask, like, we love to have these games where we ask each other questions. And one of the questions was, if you could collect, if you could be a collector for anything, what would it be? That's a good question. It is. And I'm like, I don't know. Gym equipment would be yours, bro, all day.

How did you hit? Yeah. I mean, I would guess that. If we had to go around and guess everybody, it's like, would you definitely say Jim. Well, you already have collection. Yeah, I do. I already do that stuff.

So I'm easy. That's not even a fun game for me. But for you, it would be that. Well, Justin would be guitars. Yeah, for sure, guitars. That would be, God would be Samurai Swords. Oh, yeah. I could easily nail everybody on that.

That's easy. Yeah, Jim equipment would be yours. How cool would that be to go around and buy old classic? The fact that you don't park any cars in your garage, I think is so funny to me. It's all gym equipment. And you're pretty much, you've got to be getting close to maxed out. No, no.

I mean, so it was just, Jim related, it'd be like, I'd get all the unconventional, like, crazy weapon-looking, uh, yeah. Now, is there, is there anything else that you guys that we don't know about? So, like, guitars is obvious. Samurai sword is obvious. Is there something else that you kind of quietly collect or you're into collecting that? The other guys don't really do. I don't know.

Jim equipment is the only one that would go right from you. Let's see. Yeah, if I was going to collect things, I would look for old barbells, dumbbells, plates. Yeah, it's all the same thing. Now, the other thing, which I don't collect, but I think would be cool, because every time I see it, I think, oh, my God, that's so interesting, is old propaganda. Oh, like old ads and all ads. I love old, like, government propaganda.

Because it's just so, it says human psychology. It's so fascinating. I think that's, that's kind of a cool one. Well, yeah, for me, it's, I guess it's two different things. So one of them is related to that, which is like old records. I don't even have a record player, ironically. But you have a ton of records? A ton of records.

Kids collect record. Bro, you know, it's weird, though, about that. Because, like, I have this, like, vision of, like, there's these really cool old, uh, I want to say, like, 40s, 50s, like, these kind of cabinets that they built. And they build with them. It's built in. Yeah. Six stereo.

It looks so cool. I have a buddy who has one. I got to send it to you. I thought of you by the way. Like toning house, I think is the brand. But, like, anyway, I really want, they're really expensive. But I'm, like, kind of collecting to eventually get one of those. What are they?

Yeah, it's like speaker built in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's a cabinet. It's really like, uh, anyway. So that happened like a sound room where I could really like play all these old records. But the other one was like neon signs is kind of the random one. Oh. I'm really old neon signs.

Have you started? Do you have some? I like some of that. Like the old Coors light or something like the old bar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you guys have a car? The flying A gas. Do you guys have a weird car that you would buy? I say weird because there's of course like muscle car. Is there like a car that you would buy that's not that? Yeah. Well,

what is it? It's Accura, an old Integra. Wait a minute. Well, not like a cool one. So listen to this. So listen to this.

This just happened. This just happened. I'll show you a picture of this. My brother, who lives up in Reno, this is only two weeks ago, sends me, my roommate has to be the luckiest guy alive.

He won some drawing on a car, on an older, like a Porsche, like six, seven years ago. Because would you believe he won another car? What? He's like, I got to show you the video because I think you'll appreciate it. It's a type R yellow Accura Integra.

What year? Like 95? Like in 97, 98. Bro. Yeah. I'm like, ask him if he would sell that. If he would sell that, I would buy that. Because that's your travel of car.

Yes, and it's pristine. Like, it's so pristine. I'm like, oh, that's the hardest part of that car. It's finding that car that somebody hasn't beat the hell out of it and stuff like that. But I love. That's one I would get. I would, too. I would get the, the other one is the W.S6.

97 Pontiac Yeah You know what's funny to you Those were so fast Like all American cars They were so fast back there But they're dogs now Everything's so much faster now

It's not even funny My buddy and I were Like the type best Like what is that My buddy and I that were golf And we're talking about How both big car guys And stuff like that

And he's like it's almost I don't want to say boring Because it's not boring To drive These cars are amazing But it's like You know In less than three seconds

You're going to jail You know what I'm saying You're at speeds You're going to jail where it's like some of those older cars, like, you could really rip it and get around in. You're like, you know, cop will probably not be that big of a deal. You're like getting up to 60 is like a big deal. You know, it feels like it feels like a lot.

You know, it feels like you're moving really fast, especially when you're shifting to the gear. Some of that. What was the zero to 60 of the type R? Oh, like, 5.47? Four and a half five. No, it wasn't. Well, you might be. It wasn't below five.

You might be right. You might be right. Look it up. The 90s was like fast. You might be right. You might be right. You might be right. Like supercars were like four and four. You know, you're probably right.

Yep. You're probably right. Yeah. See, it's like, that's like, now you have cars that do two point something. Oh, God. Half the time, you're already. Mid five second. Mid-fives.

Good guess. Yeah, good guess. Yeah, that was a good. I had a VR six. That's why I know. Big ass shoebox kind of looking cars and trucks. Well, like 55 Chevy. Oh, yeah.

But those are everybody like that. You see all the, like, the 80s and 90s pickup trucks are all like coming back. Oh, yeah. Real expensive to refurb. I was just say if I was to like pick when I was a kid like what my favorite it was definitely back to future the Toyota lifted Toyota

and I'm not like again like I'm totally like American I know somebody who had that I would totally be into that yeah that's that was I remember when that that movie came out that was all the KC lights on everything what's it what's another one you do besides the samurai swords dirty underwear I mean

I mean no only because he answers no oh wow bro. Wow. That's disgusting. I do collect some coins.

Oh. Yeah. Like special coins? Not how about your silver and gold? No, no. Like some older, some older coins. But I'm not,

I'm not really big into that. Scrooze McCutton. I know. I know he's got a basement. He swims in his car, and you carry your coins every night? He does, dude. He does, dude.

Boy, you know, it's a tough one. I mean, some artwork. Oh, yeah, okay. You're a, You're an Oval Team Decoder ring? I have a whole array of those, yes. Boy, what else? I mean, I collect the Japanese flutes.

That's another one of the things. More than one? Yeah, I have a bunch. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. I just thought you had one. I didn't know you. There was a need for more than one.

Well, there isn't oftentimes. It's kind of like just in the guitars. Depends on the length. There's different lengths of flutes. So I have. Which ones are you like? Yeah, yeah, you're big. Yeah.

He probably set himself up for those. The one eight, Sal. The one eight. That's the basic size, the 1.8. It's not the size that matters, Sal. Yeah. It's how you use it. Why does everything have to become so dirty?

Yeah. I have all kinds of things I have interest in. But yeah, I could get into watches. Yeah. But yeah, you know, it's really just a matter of, I can only have so many hobbies, right? Yeah, yeah. I love retro stuff.

I think not because we're older, you know. I saw this one post where it was like a bedroom, and it's like what everybody thought an 80s bedroom looked like, and it had like neon and all. It's like what actual 80s bedroom looked like. And it was like wood paneling, brown carpet. I'm like, yeah, that's exactly. Ugly.

It was ugly. It was not what they show in the movie. The carpet, the popcorn walls, the, ooh, boos. Isn't it crazy to look back when you, and you can't help but think, don't you, I always like, I look at stuff where we're at now. I'm like, are we going in 20 years going to be like, this is so ugly?

Yeah. Like that's the part I have a hard time I mean you just went you were looking at some properties Like and you watch it and it's like oh god this this thing So dated so dated so dated How do they get into like the brown and like the The baby poo like color's palette like it was just like That was a thing yeah like who came up with

Do you think it was because back then like it was easy Like that those color that those color palettes Were easy to like wood is already so you went Maybe it's like hiding dirt or something No I think it was a contrast to the 60s Because in the 60s you had popular like colors, like really vibrant colors were popular. And then 70s it got kind of like bland.

That would be my guess. Because that's a big difference. But you're right. Like orange, orange and brown and like like vomit green. Avocado green, right? Yeah, it's just remember my parents like the tile and the, you know, everywhere. Yeah. Even the bathroom and then in the kitchen, it was like this weird, ugly yellow like diarrhea.

So I mean, don't you, I mean, you're doing your place right now too. Don't you, like, as you're going through, like, as you're doing it, like, you know, is this going to be in 30 years? We're going to back and be like people. I try to, yeah, try to stick with stuff that's been good classically, like, nice design for a really long time. Good stone work. Really good stone work this time. You're right. Or good, like, like, I mean, I feel like the cabin.

Look at the cabin. Look at the cabin. I feel like the cabin will look good. Like, so there's something about like that kind of cabin vibe is just like they can be 100 years old and it still looks. Totally. Well, yeah. I look at styles like that that have lasted over time in. you know, the craftsmen and, uh, what's the, what do you find it, Doug?

Mid-century modern, like stuff like that's, like lasted. So you pay attention to that. Well, according to this, it's a desire for personal expression, natural comfort and breaking from tradition, blending earthy tones, such as avocado green, burnt, burnt orange, with bold patterns, natural materials, wood paneling, rattan, stone, and innovative layouts like sunken living rooms and open plans. Sunking living room. Includged by counterculture, pop culture, and a focus on.

on individuality and cozyness. Discovery Bay we say that? With the sunken fire pit. That was like a thing. That was a thing for a long time. The party houses do that. You know, there's something about it if it was done well that is kind of appealing.

I mean, think about it. Think about before televisions were on every wall and everybody had one in their pocket. Like I could totally see when you have friends over, you would have pour a glass of wine and you would sit in a little sunken in living room around a nice fire in the winter. I could see that totally.

People live different. now it's like you need open concepts because most people like they want to be a part of whatever's going on in the living room while they're in the kitchen you know but before they'd sectioned everything off like and that was that was the way it was forever yeah all right I want to tell you guys about just the just what a absolute blessing it's been that I got to I get to train my daughter and my niece regularly now that's cool this is a hack that I think I'd like to share to parents of teenagers. If they get into exercise and if you're experienced with working out to train them, and here's why it's so hard, and you talk to a lot of parents and teenagers, they'll communicate

this. It's very difficult that your teenager kind of open up and just sit down and talk with you. It's just kind of hard. Like, you know, how was school? Fine. You know, what's going on? Nothing. You know, it's like, you know, and they want their space and I totally get it. But when I'm, and I remember this as a trainer, when you train people, everybody opens up. up. It's something about movement, something about exercise that does it. And so now it's, it's like two or three days a week, I'll take them in the garage and train them. And about 20, I've timed it. It's like 15 to 20 minutes. And then they totally warm up and start talking. And they start talking crap to me because they're, you know, because I'm dad. So they start making

fun of me. We start joking. We have good conversations. And it's all connecting. It's so valuable. It's so funny. Plus they get good training. Because I literally started that last week. Did you? Yeah, with the boys. We do twice a week. And I'm trying really hard to be consistent with that, like, every week to do it from here and out. But I was hesitant to do it forever because of my perspective of, like, when I was growing up, I didn't want people to interject and kind of, like, force me to do anything. I wanted to come, you know, go for things that I wanted to do. But it's like, I'm finding out that they want that for me. They want the coaching.

They want the direction. They want the instruction. And I was like, I'm not giving it to them. And so I was like, you know, realizing that as I was teaching them everything down there. And they were like responding and they're like getting into it. So, but yeah, you're right. They did you definitely open up a lot more? Did you have, okay, I'm so curious of that dynamic because I have a lot of similar philosophy with Max of like, I like, I kind of do stuff introduced around, but I really patiently wait.

Yeah. Like patiently wait to see him engage or him ask questions. And then I'm like right there. Okay, I'll teach you. I can't wait to do stuff like that. Mm-hmm. And so I'm curious that that was that, did you finally realize that? And then you started engaging more?

Or did they actually ask? Did they come up and be like, Dad, what do I do here? No, I saw momentum there. So Ethan Hardy, because he was getting introduced to it at school and like they were doing a weight training class. He was starting to kind of get the bug. And I was realizing like just, I was asked him questions and kind of just watched him naturally doing a workout in his zone. and I just gave him a little bit of advice. And then he really responded to it.

And he's like, oh, that was great, dad. Like, I let's do that again kind of thing. And then I was like, oh, I've been like, I haven't been there, like, managing that at all. But I think, yeah, because the whole time I've been, I've been, like, really reserved because it's like, I want it to stick. And I don't want, and I'm realizing that, like, I was,

I had no choice. Like, they've had choices like this whole time. Yeah. And it's like, it. It's a weird thing where now they want, like, direction. Yeah. Tell me where to go to dad. Like, tell me which thing.

And so it's different than my mentality grown up completely. Yeah. I think good and right, though. I mean, I think that's the way to go. It's like, no, I waited too. And they started asking me questions. Yeah, yeah. But here's what it, here's the value of it.

You start to open up conversation just naturally because it's a workout. It's not like I'm forcing anything. You just start warming up. They get, they start to feel the exercise. Next thing you know, we start talking. So it's great connection. it also opens the door for influence, and here's how. As I'm training these girls, and I know, I knew the questions will start.

Wait, how fast, how long does it take to build muscle? Am I getting stronger? So I'm making notes of how much weight they're lifting and pointing it out. That way, the next time we work out, oh my God, you added 20 pounds to your trap bar deadlift. Remember last time we did it? Now I've got influence. Because now they're like, he knows what he's talking about. Yeah.

This is working. Everything he said is coming true. What he said was going to happen. That's right. So now a month. into it because I'm only about a month and a half into it. Now a month into it, they want my input because I've already proven I know what I'm talking about it's because it works. And now that bleeds into other influence. Of course. Because now I'm going to see, now I can, I see that they

want, they're asking me questions about other things just because now they know dad. I mean, it's so great. This is not the best analogy or comparison, but it reminds me a lot of like when you, when you teach sales, like a great salesperson is get somebody ask the, ask for it. You don't sell it to them. You don't tell them you should do this or why it's so good. Selling is not telling. It's not.

And if you do a really good job of asking the right questions, being patient, showing value, like they should ask. And until then, I'm not selling. I'm not going to, I feel like that's how I've always positioned everything that I want my son to do. But it's like, you know, it's slightly introduce it. It'll be around him. He'll see his father doing it. And it's like, just wait, wait. And then when he asks the question,

then I can insert and go, okay, I'll do that. I mean, I've found everything that I've done like that with him because there's a part of me is like, oh, he should be ready for this or he should be wanting this or I want him to read this thing or be into this thing. And it's like, every time I'm like that, it's just, there's pushback or he doesn't want to. And it's like, every time I'm just like, you know what,

it'll happen. It'll organically happen. And then when it organically happens, it's like, it's on. Because then once, when they're interested, and then you're there to answer or help, it's such a different experience. It's been that way for me for several things. It's been so much fun.

Speaking of working out, there's some studies that came out that showed how much I'll pull it up how much you need to exercise to keep the muscle that you've already built and this was for I'll pull up the study so this was this was an article that was published in Sports Illustrated everyday athlete platform so this was a study it was a 211 research review is it new cell it's a research review because we've seen then talked about the one-seventh yeah so this was for young adults who are are are already like into it. These are advanced people. Okay. So these are people who built muscle, built strength, they're fit.

Yeah. How much strength training. So not like the average person, but people who actually work out really hard. How much do they need to maintain what they've built? One day a week. One day a week. And they tested them for 32 weeks.

Yeah. It's crazy. One day a week of a hard workout. So they said it has to be hard. Well, of course. It was one heavy set per exercise, by the way. It wasn't three or five sets. It was one set per exercise once a week.

So you do one set per body part and a whole workout, make it hard once a week. And you'll keep what you've built. And the studies show up to 32 weeks is how long they stretch these out. That's crazy. That's crazy. So some people have, you know, it should be encouraging for people. It's super encouraging. It's, I mean, it's, I'm so glad we're doing this episode right now because this is a conversation I just had at the golf course.

I'm like, we're in balls, and my buddy's asking all these questions. And the protein was, I was like, literally telling him like two things. And I was like, don't worry about all the other stuff yet. Just be consistent with that. Even I said, even the way he was training, like he was doing a lot of body weight stuff in his garage. And I'm like, I'm not even going to critique that yet because you doing that paired with you actually making an attempt to hitting your protein. Then I'll go in and I'll start to modify your training and give you a little bit better exercise. Yeah, but just start there, right?

And then I was like, and then after that, then if I do a good enough job of teaching you that just that and you listen to me, you'll see good enough results that you'll get excited about it. And then maybe you'll actually want a gym membership and you actually get a barbell or invest. And then I'll really show you the gains come on. And then I'm going to blow your mind when I tell you how little you have to do to keep that. Because he's like, well, I don't want to be some jack body. I'm just like, you know, I go, I go, bro. That doesn't happen on ice. Yeah.

I was like, you know how hard. You're how hard that is to do that? Everybody wants to. It's like you telling somebody to read a book. I don't want to be Stephen Hawking. Yeah, yeah. Calm down, dude. I don't want to get too smart.

I said, but I had to reframe and go, I actually want you to make that your goal. And you just stop me on the way. Okay. So when you get to the point where you're just like, this is it. You know what I'm saying? Too much, bro. Yeah, yeah, too much. Then I'll tell you how little you have to do just to maintain that.

And it's amazing. I was like, if you can unlock that protein thing that I'm telling you about, and then we'll get in some good exercises. And then you're going to get to that body that is nowhere near a bodybuilder's body. And you're going to be like, I'm good. I'll show you how easy to keep that. Speaking of changing your body and aesthetics, I looked up something on red light.

So red light therapy, it's so fascinating. It does so many different things. Do you guys know that there's studies on red light therapy and body contouring? Do you know what body contouring is? Like, like targeted shaping of the body. How's that possible? Reduction of inflammation.

And they think maybe enhanced fat loss, speculation, but probably reduction inflammation. To the tune of inches. so like shiny red light on your waist will shrink your waist a little bit through red light therapy. That smells like marketing stuff, bro. No, no, no, no.

The studies show there's a reduction, there's a slight reduction in size. Which is that now? Well, if it's localized to the inflammation areas, I mean, that has logical sense. They're thinking it reduces the swelling that we all naturally have in our body and it shrinks things out.

So if that's the case. So you can literally shine it on an area. So that is the case. And we know what's the case. and we know what's coming right, because they've already done the ones on the face. Yeah, they'll be wraps. There's going to be a belt that people put on.

Well, the problem with that, though, is like really good red lights are. Oh, yeah, it'll be expensive. Yeah, I know. It's just these are the offshoot, like, gimmicky, like, what's that called, like, Sky Mall? You know, people are all buying the SkyMall version of Juke. Like, come on. Stop buying the Shoehl. You have to read because there's nothing to read it.

Hey, that's still a thing, right? SkyMall. Is it? Oh, yeah. I haven't seen it for Christmas lights. I took a flight not that long ago, and there was a SkyMall. Who buys things on a SkyMall magazine? Obviously, a lot of people.

It can't be, dude. It's the last time you saw one, though. See who owns SkyMall. It was not that long ago. I saw SkyMall. It reminds a sharper image. Remember sharper image? Yeah, they still exist.

They had some cool stuff, actually. Yeah, that one's a little bit. That one's a little cooler. Sky Mall is definitely the... Yeah, like, come on, dude. Who buys some... Hey, you know what? It was the Timu before Timu.

Yeah. Timu is the... I don't even look at when you forgot, like, any magazine or something. And your Wi-Fi is not working? Yeah, you got to read Skymole. Yeah. I remember, I remember buying something before everybody knew what Timu was. I remember buying something from it because I just was, I was searching something.

And then I, you know, one of the hustles I have on there is like, they don't like tell you size. And so you order, you order this thing that you think is minutes to be, it comes in. Oh, my God. And you wonder why you only paid a dollar. What does this day there? Yeah, so owned by a New Jersey-based company. however, you know, I don't think they're really in planes much anymore. So it's mainly online catalog now.

So acquisition marketing bought the brand for $1.9 million in 2015. Yeah, so it was worth nothing. Yeah. Oh, after Sky Mall filed for bankruptcy. Yeah. I bet you after Amazon, it just put it. Oh, it just destroyed it. Who's shopping in the plane?

I don't know. Bro. Okay. We were just, who was I just flying with? And they made this comment. It wasn't one of you guys. I was flying with somebody somewhere just recently. and we're walking through the airport and there's like a

Louis Vuitton store in there. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, there's Louis Vuitton store they're like, they're like, who the hell would buy a Louis Vuitton? I'm like, well, listen, if I've been, I've been in a lot of layovers for like four hours stuck at the airport.

You go eat and drink so much and then I'm sure. Isn't it that they don't charge taxes or something? Maybe. Well, yeah, there's duty tax free stuff. How does that work? Is it considered like you're not in the same country? Like, how does that work there? I don't know how that works exactly.

The price is going to be outrageously higher, though, right? I think. Yeah. Yeah. I don't do, yeah. It's like, it's like gambling in the airport. I don't know. It's like, what are you doing? I will say I'm a little disappointed Sky Mall is no longer in planes. Why?

Because I enjoyed flipping through the magazine. There's nothing in planes now. They used to all have like magazines, you know, their own magazines? Listen, before phones, before phones, that's how you got people like that. You know what impulse? You've got to wait four hours? You know what advertising now disappeared as well? That used to be very effective.

And I know this because when I manage gyms, if I put an ad here, I always got better from her. It was, just fecal matter. It was, let's be honest. It was the ads in front of urinals or on the wall. Oh, you don't think those still do good? I don't see them anymore.

Like bars, like clubs and bars they still. They have digital ones now. Oh, yeah, yeah. Above like a... But back in the day, those did really well. If you look at the data on those, they did really well. I think they're not bad. I think there's still a lot of places that, like, bars,

where you got a lot of, like, a club, right? A club that's getting like thousands of people coming through. Yeah, you put up... You know, that was a job for some people selling those. I know. Yeah, I don't know if they do that now. I know. I'm telling you, in the gyms that I managed,

that was the first place I put flyers was on, was right on top of the urnals. Well, you remember the, who's the guy? Who's the big buff? Grasso. Yes. It was a personal trainer. That's his name.

He hammered him. Joe Grasso. He had them all. Just pictured like this with just traps. He had all the urals. He had the urinals. He was the name of his personal training business. Yeah, see if you can remember,

Joe Grasso, but it was like Iron Gym or. No, it was like, a personal training. We all saw that. Yes. I definitely seen him. It was Joe's Jim or elite training? No. No. No, it's not it. No. Is he the local guy? Yeah, he was a local guy. Yeah, he was a local guy. There was a real estate agent like in the San Cruz area that would put his face like on the urinal cakes. Oh, that's great. I was like, dude. That might be him, but he might have changed this. It was the ad. If you pulled the ad up, I mean, look for, look up urinal fitness ads in San Jose. I bet he'll pop up like that. Wow. Look he's got like a, what is that? It's evolved and changed. That looks sick. Bro, that's a throwback. Oh, speaking of gems, did you guys, Jeremy? That, bro, look at how old he is.

That was him. Oh, yeah, dude. He looked so different in those pictures. It was him. Yep. And he looked jacked in him. You got to find it's old. This is all where he's rebranded now.

So, speaking to gems, have you guys caught up with Jeremy Bindiya at all on? I saw your thing. I saw your thing. So he's like super, he became super, any of these guys. He opened up a gym in Roseville that's like a Christian-themed gym.

Oh, I didn't know that. Johnny was telling me about this. And he's like, all in that direction, Johnny's like, dude, it's a sick gym. And he's totally pivoted and moved in that direction. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I'm going to try and reach out to him because I'd love to go up to his gym and film.

I'd like to hear your read on that. Absolutely. Yeah, I'd like to hear your read on that. I mean, yeah. But. He was never a really good dude. No. At all.

No, not back then. Not back then. Yeah. Well, I mean, I also question the motives too, so I don't know. Always. Yeah. So that's why I'd be interesting. But his gym, I think, looks pretty sick. So I'm going to take a look at it. Yeah, I'd expect that from those guys. Yeah. Yeah. You know who would know is reach out to your boy, Phil. Yeah. Yeah, Phil. I think Phil talks. Does it have a Ferrari leather.

It's stupid. Those machines. That was a jab. I do eventually want to talk about that. We don't, we don't have time to get into that right now today. But I do want to get into all that conversation because I think our audience so they know kind of what's been going on. and everything like that, I think it's important for us to go through all that and explain what has happened over the last year. So we're cliffhangering it right now because a lot of stuff is still going on. But at the end of the day, the reason why it's taken as long as it is for everybody that's been interested in the peptide and that whole breakup and whatever, I can't disclose everything that went on over there. But it was a shit show and very difficult for us to move on. And we did. and we're taking it very seriously

the next relationship because it's about our people. It's not about money. The amount of companies and stuff that have been offering and coming after us, they're everywhere. So I've had over 13 calls now on this, and it seems like there's a million of them

that every one of them swear, they're amazing, they're the best, they'll take care of our people, all stuff. And so the vetting process and making sure that we don't have to do this again is why it's taking the time. So I apologize for, the people that feel like they've been left hanging,

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this is surreal oh my gosh yeah good man how can we help you what's up man yeah I was just gonna read this because this is a little bit easier I'm like crazy nervous right now

this is insane yeah no worries because that's okay with you guys yeah go for Justin's nervous um oh yeah I sweat a lot yeah I'm shaking and sweating

a little bit myself firstly thank you guys so much for all you do I have been watching since before COVID started and truly appreciate the example you guys said as husbands, fathers, and just being good men and leaders. You have been a huge blessing in my journey in fitness and health. And the main reason I was able to stop doing it incorrectly and actually start to heal my body. Nice. So my question is, how can I overcome constant muscle fatigue, mainly in my legs?

It seems regardless of decent sleep, good nutrition and stretching and water that I feel a lot of weakness and fatigue. throughout the week and sometimes even up until my next leg day or chest day or whatever it may be. 6-1, 315 pounds, a father of two with one on the way. I work in a warehouse about 40 to 50 hours a week and do a four-day upper lower split with a fifth day on Friday doing arms and abs. I hit 12,000 steps a day and do stair master and incline walk as my cardio on my lower days and I'm currently training to build as much strength and muscles as I can because next summer I'll be starting fire academy.

We might be to reduce the volume a little bit with that amount of activity, walking, a split. Let's go back though and talk about what you mean by feeling weak because there's there's an overtrained feeling and then there's a feeling like your muscles just aren't firing the way you want. Or you're constantly sore. Yeah, define what you mean by that. Okay.

So it's not typically so much of the soreness. It's just like a weakness, kind of like almost like tired legs, I guess. It's the best way I would describe it. First place I would look, and it says here you went on TRT, did that make a difference? Yeah, so I've been on about six months and got my levels up to about 600. They were for the last five years or so below 300. So that's definitely helped quite a bit with recovery and stuff along with like creatine and things. But I think I still have a while before I start seeing some like real, real benefits from it.

But it's definitely made a difference. They could also bump you more than that. It's still pretty low. The first place I would look because if you're explaining a weakness that feels kind of like uncharacteristic, like you know your body, right? So if you're like, it just feels like I'm just, my muscles just don't feel like themselves. That can point to a nutrient deficiency. Do you take minerals, vitamins? Do you take anything like that?

I take a beef liver supplement every day. I don't usually take a multivitam. I use that as my multivitamin and just try to stick the whole foods. And I do take healthy anine. But aside from that, not really. Okay. I mean, Sal, are you looking at the, I mean, how big of a guy we are, the amount of calories we're eating, the amount of activity that we're doing a four-day split. I just think we're doing a lot right now.

It says here you eat 15 to 18 hundred calories a day. No, so I used, that was what I typically would do to lose weight when I lost my first 100. I got down to 205 and it was from seven days a week in the gym. and eating about 1,500. Now I eat about 2,000 to 2200, but I still kind of battle with the, if I'm eating too much and not losing weight or like start gaining weight or anything.

It's kind of like I feel like I need to start starting myself. Without testing you, because we could do a nutrient. I'm pretty, I feel pretty confident that you have a nutrient deficiency. You're not eating enough calories. Yes. So, and here's what I mean. Especially now he's on testosterone. Exactly.

So your symptoms or how you're explaining them, sounds like a nutrient deficiency, which would feel like my muscles just aren't firing and they're fatiguing way earlier than they normally would. The fact that you're eating so little and you ate so little in the past also points to a nutrient deficiency because that's where you get your nutrients.

And I'll be honest with a big guy like you, even if I had a nutritionist construct the perfect planned diet, I don't think you could get adequate micronutrients with 2,000 calories for a guy your size. No, definitely not. So I would start supplementing with a quality multivitamin. So a really good multivitamin. I would also add additional minerals and vitamin D.

So D3, zinc, magnesium. I would add those to your multivitamin. And then I would bump your calories. Legion has all those, right? Legion has a good product of all those. So if you don't work with Legion, Legion's got all those. By the way, you'll know if this is correct within a week. Like you'll just, yeah, bump your calories up to like 20,

2,700 to start with. At least 26, 2,700 calories. At least, start taking the multivitamin with additional minerals in D. And within a week, you should notice a difference if that is indeed the case. I'd also move them to something more like MAPS andabolic too. In the process, yeah. So I would run a MAPS andabolic, bump my calories a little bit, take all your vitamins and supplements. And I think you're going to feel a lot better.

You also could talk to your doctor, too, about maybe bumping the testosterone a little bit. 650 is not bad, but it's not in the upper level. of normal, right? So you can easily go up to 900 to 11 and be in that healthy range. I think going up a little bit in that, I don't know if you're managing your dose or they are, but if they allow you to go up a little bit in that and then bumping calories. Honestly, start with the calories and the nutrients first though.

Yeah, yeah. If that's the case, you'll notice it within maybe even within days. Eating that much seems terrifying. No, bro. Listen, let me tell you right now. A woman that weighed 145 pounds with this much activity, 2,000 calories is too low. Too low for her. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, wow. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You're just, your body's just, it's running on fumes, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, we need to get you just preserving. Yeah, yeah. We need to get you up to like 3,500, bro.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But that ain't going to happen overnight. Like, you got to work our way up there. But let me tell you, one of the best parts about being on TRT and eating in a calorie surplus and lifting weights. You'll build muscle. You're just to build muscle, dude.

Those calories will get partitioned over to building muscle. You have a loud muscle building signal 24-7 when you're on synthetic to sausage. How many grams of protein and fat are you getting on what you're eating now? I couldn't tell you. The only thing I've had a bad relationship with like tracking. So all the only thing I track is my protein and calories. I eat about 200 to 225 grams of protein a day. And are you going for lean protein?

I do ground beef. I do do two scoops of weight protein. Yeah. Bro, your nutrients are too low. I mean, I'm pretty sure. Like I said, you'll know within a week. And the supplements I mentioned are super cheap. Eat additional food.

I mean, I would bump you up even higher, but I'm starting you're off slow so you don't freak out. And I think within, like I said, within days, you're just going to feel like a different person. If what I'm saying is indeed right, your output when your train is going to totally change as well. So all of that is in the positive. if you just kind of stick with that mentality.

If you told me what you were eating with your strength training, cardio, and activity, and you said, guess how I feel, I would guess what you're telling me. I'd say you probably feel weak and tired. Yeah. So. That makes sense. Are you still doing football on the weekends, too? That actually just ended.

Okay. Okay, good. I'm doing a lot, though. Yeah. A 50-hour work week. Football is on the side. Two kids. 12,000 to say is too.

Yeah, bro. I might even go MAPS 15. I might even go all the way down to that, that, bro. Yeah. Can we get you on Mass 15? Will you follow that? As much as I hate to, I have been listening to you guys forever,

and I trust every word that you guys say. So, absolutely, yeah. I do about 10 to 15 sets per body part right now. Yeah, yeah. Per workout? No, like per week per muscle group. Oh, that's all right. You know what?

Let's go Mass 15. Do what we said with the calories, the supplements. Let's have you back on in 60 days. Yeah. I think within two weeks, you'll already see and feel a difference, though, just so you know. Like a new human was probably a lot better. That would be nice.

I want to get actually strong for my size. I feel so weak for being. No, you will. You'll get strong. You'll get, what's going to be difficult for you to wrap your brain around is that we're going to make you eat more. You're going to do less. And you're going to get stronger and feel better.

Eventually, we can ramp up volume and stuff like that. But we got to get the calories up, get you fed, get those nutrients in you. And then you'll start to see a difference. Hang in there. Yep. Yeah. I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much. All right, man. All right, man. Thanks, bro. Yeah. Should be an easy fix. Yeah, yeah. He's like just... Just so people know, by the way.

Psychologically challenging. Competitive bodybuilders on... Who take enough steroids to kill a horse feel weak when they're pre-contest because their calories are low and they're doing so much activity. They feel weak. Yeah. So I... It's natural. Yeah. He's, bro, he's a big... Well, he's not eating enough. He's eating low calories for a woman that's a... I never went lower than 2,300 calories. Yeah. Ever.

Yeah. That's... And how strong did you feel? People are off reshot days all day. Yeah. Yeah, the last two weeks, you feel like a walking dead man. But that's last two weeks before stage is 2300 calories. Yeah.

That's the diet. All the activity and none of the calories. Yeah. So this, he should feel difference really. If he does everything he said, you should feel it like right away. Our next caller is Tyron from Australia. What's up, Tyron? How you doing, man?

It's happening. Hey, guys. How's it going? Good, man. Good, man. Good. Yeah. How can we help you?

Look, I just want to thank you guys real quick for having me here. I want to also give a quick shout out to my mate, Aaron, from my house, for putting me on to you guys, to be honest, being absolutely obsessed with yourself since I started earlier this year. Yeah, in terms of my question, I guess I'm feeling a little lost in terms of where I'm at with my journey about three and a half years into it. now. I started around of, yeah,

early 20s and I was about 128 kilos. I was, yeah, quite overweight at the time for 5 foot 7. So I was mostly doing medical reasons as I had like a massive vehicle sick up.

So I experienced some like a lot of seizures and stuff like that. You just went upstairs. So it's since shedding a lot of that down to about 88 now. I hover anywhere from 88 to about 86 KG. I feel a lot better, but yeah, symptoms reduce, like, absolutely a metric done. So that's been the biggest thing for me.

But, yeah, I think I'm at that point where I'm like, aesthetically, I think I would like to continue to cut, but I also am having issues with my relationship, food in general, like after tracking for so long, it's been a lot of yo-yo dieting, obviously. It's the discipline time, sorry, seems to wear thin a fair bit over time, especially over years of, like, trying to reduce, reduce, reduce. There's points where I, like, got down to like 1,200 calories, which was mental, given me and my activity level as I tend to train about like probably five to four times a week on average. And my daily steps has always been anywhere from like 10 to 20K a day.

So yeah, no, definitely shouldn't be that long calories at any point. Yeah, I guess the premise of the question is, how do you find your net, step or your next goal. Yeah, good question. And by the way, great job, dude. Yeah, yeah. Great job. 100 pounds on your own there.

That's incredible. That's phenomenal. Okay, so here's how you know where you should go next. It's a combination of what you want to do and what you think you should do. Now, sometimes those are different. And so when they're different, you try to find a way to want to do what you need to do. So I think the right answer for you is to take you or, focus away from your appearance and move it towards more of a performance goal.

But I did hear you say you want, you know, you want to continue to work on aesthetics. So the way I'm going to sell it to you is I'm going to ask you a question. Would you like to continue on this fitness journey in a way that doesn't feel stressful, that feels comfortable, relaxed, and fun? I mean, yeah, it sounds like. Then that's going to be the performance one. Yeah. So if we get you to focus on performance, it's going to, it's going to be a little scary at first because you're not focused on the mirror or aesthetics, but it's going to feel very freeing to somebody like you who's gone through this whole process of cutting and trying to lose weight.

And I think focusing on things like strength, mobility, it's going to be a whole new chapter for you and you're really going to enjoy it. Have you followed any MAPS programs yet? No, not previously. I've had to look at a couple of them, like your powerlifting foundations. Oh, that's be a great one for them. I think power lift would be a great program for you. That would be a great program for you right now. Dialed in, just like, like Sal said, just focus on getting stronger.

And then where are your calories currently at right now? Right now I'm not tracking it all. So I finally just forgot about scale. I've forgotten about tracking anything. I'm just trying to eat, just enjoy and train at the moment. and it's been both terrifying, but also free. Yeah. Good.

So, yeah, and my lifts have finally gone back up, like, squat is getting back to 200, bench. I'm trying to get back to 130, and deadlift, I finally just reintroduced. So I'm hoping to get that above 180. Yeah, your 200 kilogram squat? Wow, it's a 400 and what is a 20-pound squat. That's pretty good. Yeah, you're strong, dude.

Yeah, yeah, you're going to, let's do powerless. Yeah, power. Our lift is to move, keep feeding the body. If you track or pay attention, just protein. Just hit your protein goals, feed the body. Yeah, that's the main thing. Hit those protein goals, get strong, follow that. After that program alone.

Watch what happens aesthetically as well. Yeah, yeah. Just going all the way through that program training to get strong. Watch what happens to your physique. And you're already strong, considering your calories low and all that. So this will be great. Yeah. Well, if I would estimate it roughly right now, like I'm probably,

eating anywhere from like 26 to be 800, sometimes maybe 3,000. Oh, you're good. Yeah, you're good place. Oh, yeah. Let's go, Powerliff. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, you're good. Yeah, you're good.

Yeah, you're good. Stay fed, though. Okay, don't let. Yeah, well, you're hungry. You're hungry feed. Yeah, I've been trying to do, like, more running in general. Like, I recently watched physical one of physical Asia, and I was, like, completely immersed, like, the athleticism of these people.

like the performance is just unreal. So I kind of shifted my training style in that way. Like I added more like client metrics. Oh, do you like that? I've actually been enjoying it fairly recently. Let's go. And power lift though right now. Yeah, but you know, but here's the thing, though.

What excites you more? Power lift or more of that athletic training? Because that's the direction you should go is the one you excites you more. Yeah, I mean, it's like a fork on the road. paths like excite me. I think with powerlifting, I'm terrified of hurting my joints more. Um, but I also love the idea of being stronger. And then with the athletic park, I mean, it's just, it sounds so nice to just not be so out of breath when I want to go to the prime or something like that. Um, like, I live in Tatsy. So I often go on high. I see. I say the flip. I still like power lift first

and then going into that. It'll lay a better foundation for it. Yeah. I mean, that's ideal, but yeah. So you're torn. You're okay with either direction. Oh, either way. Like, I'll be doing it the rest of my life. So it doesn't really matter. All right.

Power lift. After that, go to performance. You're good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it, dude. Get strong.

Feed the body. Hit that protein intake. You're going to be good. We'll get back on your movement and, yeah, get you up to speak. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Doug will send that over to you.

Oh, thank you so much. appreciate it. Of course. Of course. You got it, man. Thanks. Go back to bed. Yeah. Appreciate the support over there, man. No, no worries. You guys take it. And I appreciate your time. You too. Right on. Great kid. Yeah, he's a good place. Yeah, very good. Strong. Yeah, he'll be all right. I know. Sometimes it sound like he said pounds and sometimes he kilos. Yeah, he kind of, 200, 200 kilos. Yeah. It was it 200. I believe so. Yeah, bro. No, 420 in his deadlift. Well, it makes sense because I thought, that's kind of a light squat for

I like bench press. But it's the opposite. He's, he's hell of strong. He's pushing good weight. He's 120 pounds. Yeah, yeah. That's really good. At a body weight of 193?

Yeah. And he could have gone, just for the audience, he could have gone either way. And I know Sal was leaning the other way because he's into it. But if he was, he's just as open to both, I think it's a better pathway to build. I don't think there's a right answer. Honestly, I mean, I can make the case for either.

But the fact that they're the, Here's the important thing. They're performance-oriented. You know what I mean? It's not aesthetic. He's been so focused on the scale and aesthetic. They're both going to be value. Yeah, but my brain goes,

the guy who admits that he's kind of yo-yo-dicted and lost, you know, 80 to 100 pounds on his own, like doing a, you know, like a circuit tripe of athletic biometric. It's more simplistic too because I think, yeah, like performance is a bit more comprehensive with the movements and like a lot of things going on, you know, we're just going to dial it in and then kind of move. That's, that's why I kind of go. The thing with somebody who's yo-yo dieted is that powerlift could either do,

it could also move in a direction where you just start eating like crazy, whereas performance has a bit of a checks and balances, because you start to lose athleticism when you get too heavy. So I can see either one is a good direction. But he said something that made me realize like this is, he's on the right path. He said, I'm going to do this further rest of my life. Yeah. So it's like he's going to do one and then the other.

So he's good. Our next caller is Andrew from North Carolina. man. How you doing, Andrew? It's going on. Hey, guys. Good to talk to you. How are you doing today? Good, dude. Thanks for coming on. How can we help you? Hey, so I've been listening for a couple years now. I've been struggling with my weight for a while. In 2022, at my heaviest, I weighed 519 pounds. I was able to lose down to right around 400 and a little over a year. then with some personal things fell off the wagon, gained most of it back.

So back in April of this year, I weighed 516, went and saw a doctor, had some blood work done, found out I had vitamin D deficiency. And then recently, after listening to you guys, I've had some blood work done to check my testosterone levels, which are abysmal. My total testosterone number was like 119, and my free testosterone was, I think,

2.2. So I talked to my PA about that, and he kind of wanted me to wait another month before I jumped on to any kind of treatment. Then I saw him a month later, and I had lost 15 pounds since then. So I weighed myself this morning. I'm down to 468 right now. So I've lost almost 50 pounds since April. Now, my question is, you know, I hear you guys talking about reverse dieting a lot.

And my calories for the last couple months, I've been eating about 2,200 calories a day and trying to hit like 200 grams of protein. But I really struggle to hit 200 grams of protein. On a good day, I'm eating like 180. And I'm not getting any very many carbs, you know, a decent amount of fats in. but I guess what I'm asking is I don't know where I should be at with my calories, and I really don't know what my protein target should be and how to hit it consistently. That's, I guess, my first question. Are you consistent, Andrew, with your lifts?

Are you lifting consistently? Yeah, four or five days a week. I've been using the MAPS split program. I know it's a lot of volume, a lot of time in the gym, but I feel like I need to be in the gym most days to stay consistent. and not kind of fall into old habits. I'm not able to do all the exercises, a lot of the unilateral stuff. Like, I couldn't do a Bulgarian split squad if my life depended on me right now.

And I don't know how to scale that down to be able to build up to that other than to just do, really, I do like the first four days of split and then rest. Usually take a rest day on Wednesday, lift Monday, Tuesday, and then Thursday, Friday. What would you say your average steps are? I started out shooting for 7,000 a day. I'm probably at about 9,000 on average. Wow. Yeah.

That's great, dude. Thank you. Are you on a GLP 1? I am not. My doctor prescribed phentermine, which is, I guess it's not a GLP1, but I don't know exactly what it is. Yeah, really strong and stimulating. Is that, that's killing your appetite, I'm assuming. Yeah.

You know, I've never really, my problem was always eating late at night. I never really had problems with like snacking throughout the day. But now a lot of times I don't even really feel hungry at lunch. I kind of have to force myself to eat lunch. That's why we're having a hard time hitting the 200 grams of protein. When you're overeating, when you're in those places where you're starting to, you know, eat a lot or put the way back on. What foods are you reaching for?

What does that look like? Oh, it's DoorDash. It's just garbage from fast food restaurants from DoorDash. So that's one of the things I did was just delete delivery service. is off my phone. Good for you. What's the difference between your appetite then and your appetite now? My appetite is definitely less now.

But I think the focus on protein, which is something that I've gotten from listening to you guys, has really helped me control even the amount of calories I'm taking in on an average meal. For breakfast this morning, I ate like 600 calories. That was eggs, bacon, and cottage cheese. and that's my breakfast most mornings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

I like that. So, and you're sticking to whole natural foods? Doing my best, too, yeah. Okay. I'd say in the last month, I've had pizza once, and that's like the one meal that I've been off on. And that was over Thanksgiving when my parents were here. Good for you, dude. Yeah, you're doing great, man.

You are doing good. So here's the key. We need to eat more, though. Yeah, here's the key. Yeah. Okay. I'd want you to eat four meals a day with about five. 50 grams of protein in each meal.

Okay. That's it. And eat the protein first. And if you're still hungry, eat everything else after. Stick the whole natural foods. Make that a mission. I have to eat at least the 50 grams of protein per meal. I have to.

So make that happen. I want to change your workout. Yes. Okay, good. I don't like split for you. It's just way too much. You can still go to the gym that many days. We're just going to have you walk on the extra time.

I'm going to give you Maps 15. That's your strength training. And the rest of the time that you're in the gym, walk. You just get on the treadmill and do a slow walk. Yep. That's it. Walk.

Okay. So stay there for the full hour like you normally do. But now it's like you do your two good lifts. Lift strong. So try and move weight, right? And then get over the treadmill and just walk. That's it. Just walk.

That's it. Okay. Rest of time. And then just do that. And if you're consistent with that, everything will come into place. In fact, I think your appetite will go up a little bit for the protein with that kind of a training program

because you're probably going to get stronger, but we'll see what happens. But if you're hungry and you want pizza, you want DoorDash, but you're like, man, I haven't eaten my protein, eat the protein. Now, I'm, I'm, I'm not a doctor or in the position to tell you that you should get on TRT, but I guarantee if you see a hormone specialist, they would have put you on TRT already. Yeah. Because it's only going to accelerate your results. It'll make a big difference. It'll make a huge difference because you, you lift those weights, you hit that protein. You're going to build muscle. And that's going to speed your Here's the other thing. You're taking vitamin D now?

Yeah, I'm taking 5,000 whatever the amount. I take that every day. And when did you start that? Back in April. Okay. Your testosterone probably is going to go up just from that too. Yeah, but not that much. Yeah. Well, I did the vitamin D test was in April and then the testosterone blood work was in October. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you should probably get on Tier T.R.T. It's going to make a huge difference. It's hard to build muscle on that low of testosterone.

So it's not. And your general practitioner is thinking this. Just gets down some of that weight and that part of the reason why your testosterone is low is because you have all this extra way. No, it'll make it. It'll help with everything. It'll get you into that position where you're building muscle. Your metabolism kicks up. Yeah.

Are you on any other medications? No, just the fentanyin. Okay. That's a 30 milligram dose. It's okay. When I first talked to him, the goal was to get me was to do that for like three months. and then switch to one of the GLP ones, and we just never have.

And his attitude has kind of been like, you're losing weight, so don't switch it up while something's working. Request the switch. Yeah, GLP ones way safer than it. It really help with the food noise. Hopefully he gives him one that he can modulate the dose, right? Because don't do the,

don't do the OZMPIC or Monjoro one where they're in the preloaded pens. You want one that your doctor can give you lower dose. Because it'll destroy your appetite. What we don't want to do, what we don't want to do, which at least 80% of the people that get on GOPO ones is it crushes their appetite. And then, yeah, they eat way less food and they lose more weight fast, but they lose muscle just as fast. And you already are telling me you're having a hard time hitting 200 grams of protein. That is going to make you 10 times harder. Here's another option. Another option is get off the fentramine, hit the protein targets, which you should be able to do off the fentamine, hold off on adding anything else, and maybe work with a coach.

Yeah. see how it goes. And have a coach work with you through this process. I mean, I'd prefer no GLP 1 and know what's the fentamine, what the fuck is called, and just TRT. Because TRT is going in increasing his calories, hitting his grams of protein, putting him on a better program, is going to build muscle. I would want you with a coach, though, going through all that for sure. Are you open to working with a coach? Absolutely.

I just, I haven't found one that I'm comfortable with here. When I first moved down here three years ago, I was going to a big corporate gym, and I worked with one of their trainers for like a month. But he had me doing... No, no, no, no. We'll set you with one of our guys. I'm going to have someone call you. Our team will take care of you.

Yeah, they'll take care. And I think, see, now I'm comfortable, because if you go off the fence from me and your appetite's going to go up, but now you're with a coach who's going to coach you through this whole process and individualize the workout and do the whole thing. And then I feel very confident. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome.

Yeah, we're going to have one of the coaches call you, Andrew. Yep. Perfect. Thank you so much. Yeah, they'll take care of all this with you, brother. You got it, dude. Yep. You're on your way.

I'll be seeing you, by the way. I'll be seeing you by the way. I'll pop in those calls sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll see you. Awesome. I look forward to it. Thank you guys so much.

I appreciate you. Bye, brother. I didn't even know they prescribed that still. I didn't either. Is that like Finn Finn. I believe it is. Fentermines Fenn Fenn Fenn, right? Is that what Finfin is?

I've never heard. I've never heard. Double check, Doug, on that. I think it's, it's a stimulant-based appetite suppressing. Legal meth. I don't know if it's a methamphetamine. It's in the family, though, isn't it? That's a good question.

I think it's in the family. Doug, look it up. So we're not totally wrong here. I mean, I don't know. For a freak everybody out. I don't know. But I mean, you get them off all that and put them on TRT. I mean, it's so funny.

How funny is this to me? Doctor, hesitant to put you on TRT. You're at 119. Put you on a freaking stint, put you on fucking FinFenn, or GLP1. Yeah, but I could tell you. I could tell you why, though. Why? It's a combination of fenfluramine and fentermine.

Okay, so it is. And it's stimulant, right? Yeah. What family is it from, though? Is it like methamphetamine or is it like? Let's see if it's a methamphetamine. I bet it is. So, I mean, explain that to me.

Why? Because he's so, he's so big. I know. He's going, oh, if we lose weight. All they think about is, yeah, shit. No, no, no, no, no, what? So when you're, because what you worry about with going on, going up in testosterone, this is somebody, this is a tradition, this is a doctor.

GP is obviously a GP. Going up at testosterone, you're worried about blood lipids getting altered. He's already heavy. You don't want to increase potential inflammation, water retention, because that could increase his risk of other issues. So you're dealing with a special population with somebody who's 500 pounds. Yeah. And so they're like, you know, with testosterone, what are the risks of testosterone?

Yeah, but this also shows you what, like, how narrow of a scope of the doctor is, because you're right, if this is just an obese person who we're trying to get lose weight and he's not strength training. But he's doing all this stuff. But if he's telling me I'm lifting weights three to four times a week, and right away. With one of our coaches? It's a different.

Yeah, because I wouldn't, that's why I asked, the first thing I said, hey, how consistent with your workouts? Oh, I work out four times a week lifting weights in a split. It's like, okay, that guy gets his testosterone levels up right away. And even if he accidentally has some pizza every once in a while, it's going to get. And not to mention, going from 100 total to 500 total. It improves your health. Huge.

That improves your health. That's why it's crazy to me. What does it say there, Doug? Yeah, it's not a methamphetamine. It's an amphetamine. Amphetamine. Oh, it's an amphetamine. Amphetamine. It's still an amphetamine.

But they're not the same. No, no, no. They take the meth out so it doesn't sound so bad. It gets you hype. They're chemically related. It gets you hype. Yeah, it's surprised they still prescribe that. But it is the thin-fin.

That's what it is. Yeah. That's the only way I've ever heard. And they sprinkle something else in there. Our next caller is Corinne from New Jersey. Hi, Corinne. Hello, hello. Hi, how are you?

Good. How are you doing? Good. I'm very excited. This is actually my second time in about a year talking to you guys. Welcome back. Yeah, welcome back. Thanks.

I'll keep it really simple and I'll get into it. I'm 36 years old. And I just want to thank you guys for everything you do because you have absolutely inspired me. Fitness has always been in my life. I was a gymnast for probably 15 years. I got and then after I graduated high school, I got into CrossFit and boxing and strength training and all of it. So I have a pretty well. rounded fitness in me. To go along with my question, basically, I've always been training

like my friends and my family when we go to the gym. I've written them workout plans. And my husband and I, with the support of my husband, I should say, we decided to finish our basement. We have a walkout basement. So it's a separate access from our house. And I wanted to start training people there. My plan is to file for like an LLC. to make sure I'm protected and things like that. I've already looked into it that's obviously on the horizon. I don't have any fancy certifications or anything like that. It's really just my experience, my knowledge, my research that I've done,

obviously a whole lot of research listening to you guys and obviously beyond that. So with that being said, my question would be, you know, just any advice and tips that you may have, navigate this. I'm still working full time. I'm a teacher. So obviously my end game in the years to come would, you know, have this be my job. Have you taken our course yet? I have not. This is all really come to light within the past few months. I'm aware of your course. Obviously, I listen to your episodes very frequently. I just didn't really know what that entailed. But obviously, I think that would help me. It's geared towards somebody like you. So it's less on the, like,

like national certification, education. It is recognized nationally. It is recognized nationally. It'll give you some of use for it. But it's more towards helping someone like you build your business. Yeah, it's about building your business and how to coach people. Yes. So how to be an effective coach and also how to build your business, both of those,

which I think are basically what we put in there was let's say you came to work for me in a gym and you're a new trainer. It's all the stuff that I would teach you. Okay. All the important stuff. And then you're dumped in the environment of over a thousand trainers that have gone through that certification that are in similar situations. Some obviously further ahead than you, some just getting started also. So that now you're in a community with all of us where we're mentoring and bringing them along.

Now, if I could give you a little advice now, you're a teacher. What grade do you teach? I teach fifth grade. Okay, fifth grade. So you know this as a teacher. What makes you effective is less of what you know and more of how you build your relationship with your students. Wouldn't you agree? Yeah.

No, definitely. Absolutely. that's like the key part. It's the same when you train clients. It's exactly the same. It's how good of a relationship. What kind of a relationship can you build your clients? Do they trust you?

Do they come to you when they mess up? That's real important. Are you able to influence them effectively? And are you able to meet them where they're at? Because this is the big challenge with new trainers. As a new trainer, you're going to want to give them all the answers. Like, I want to lose 30 pounds. Okay, do all this stuff.

You got to meet them right where they're at and allow them to help guide the pace. Now, you're going to push a little bit, but you really help them. They guide the pace because if you push too hard, you'll push them in the wrong direction. Just like curiosity, where like right now will you get your leads to do that? That'll be the most difficult part for like starting in like a home outside your family and all that. So I actually do have personal training experience. My cousin owns his own, like, fitness. It's like a wellness and fitness gym.

And I did train for his company years ago. And with teaching full time and then I got pregnant. So it just wasn't the right time for me. I loved it. I enjoyed it a lot and it was successful. But now I feel like that my daughter is six years old. I have more time. We have our own house.

And it's just a little bit easier now. I'm not saying it's easy. But I just feel like it's a better time for us. I made an Instagram to start promoting locally, and that seemed to help. I already have five people that I am training for free. It's friends and family. It's basically just to get my foot in the door and to see what people want and how they're responding to what I can offer at the moment.

And it's working. Again, it's friends and family. That's okay. That's great. Yeah. And I feel like they're the ones who are going to give me the most honest advice, which I need. I guess what I'm just most hesitant or nervous. about is, you know, and my biggest thing to ask you guys is marketing and trying not to burn

myself out because this is a passion and I don't want it to become a burnout. Yeah, I think one, the way you're starting is the way we recommend is we tell, we talk a lot about getting the first 100 reps, get 100 people through you, through training with you. I don't care if it's free. I don't care if it's family. So you're already on the right path of like just get bodies in front of you so you can get that great feedback while you're doing that. The course we get into also that like building a social.

social platform and actually getting building community. That's a lot of what we talk about. So that's going to be the direction that you're going to go. And it's a slow process. It takes time, you know, but you'll get good at it over time. And then I don't know how far out you are from like a city and other business and so with that. But then starting to also, we talk about this in the course, you know, collaborating with

local, you know, nutrition shops and nail salons and hair salons. And yeah, doing things where, again, same type of attitude. get in there for free, build relationships, offer like some of the services to be known and be helping those people and then leverage those relationships to potentially get leads for paying clients. We teach you all that in the course,

but I was going to go exactly there, Adam, because one mistake a lot of trainers make now is they think the primary way they're going to gain clients locally is through social media. Yeah, it's hard to do that way. No, no, no. If you go outside of your house

into your community and you, you know, if I was with you within a week, I would get you six clients, just from around where you're at. Right. And I'm not like a huge social media person. I actually don't have it for myself. So I would rather go out and promote myself that way. I, I am trying to be better with social media, but I do struggle with it because I don't have it myself. So that was another question is what is another, and you answer it for me, another way to kind of network. Yeah, I'll give you, I'll give you an easy one, Corinne. Go to some local businesses. small businesses and train the owner for free. Oh, okay. Introduce yourself, hey, I just opened a gym.

It's in my basement. I was a competitive gymnast for 12 years. I love working out. I'm starting, let me just train you for free. Let me just, I'm looking to train people and I'll take you through some workouts. I specialize in this. Do you currently work out? And just start training these owners for free.

They'll become referral factories for you. Okay, yeah. No, that's great advice. This might be in the course as well, but what do you recommend as like a client load for right now while I am still teaching full-time? While you're teaching full-time? Yeah. That depends on you.

That really depends on you. Because you got kids too. Okay. Yeah, okay. That makes sense. I mean, find that limit.

You know what I'm saying? Keep going until you find that limit. You'll know better than anybody else like about. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Because I've seen it,

I've seen as low as 12 to as high as 35, depending on the trainer and how crazy they are, how much they're balancing. Just keep this in mind, Corinne. When you're training. people, you're on. So 20 sessions a week is not like 20 hours a week at another job. You're on in front of people. So just keep that in mind when you're training.

Okay. Thank you. That's really helpful. So for the course, obviously, I've heard you guys talk about it, but how do you go about signing up for it? Is it obviously right on your website? Doug's sending it to you right now. We'll send it to you. We could also have somebody call you if you have questions.

Yeah, and we'll give you a call. Yeah, we'll have and call you. Then you can, whatever questions you have, she'll share it with you. Okay. Yeah. because obviously my goal here is to transition into doing it full time and hopefully leave my teaching job, but that's for years to come. Like I understand it's going to take a lot of work and networking.

That's the ultimate goal. And I have the whole summer to really promote that because I don't work in the summer. Oh, perfect. You're going to love Anne because Anne is an ex-teacher. So that's what she did before she was trainer. So you'll love talking to her. She'll be great for you. Yeah, expect email.

Yeah, and that's like the part I love about it is writing up the workouts because obviously I have the experience of typing those things up and being organized. it's just taking that next step. Oh, yeah. You're going to love it. Yeah, you're going to love it. Awesome. She'll help you.

Anne will sit over. Yeah, look in your email box when you get off the phone here. Okay, awesome. Thank you. I really appreciate it. I'm very motivated. All right. Awesome.

Can't wait to see you in the course. Thank you. I appreciate it, guys. Nice seeing you again. You got it. That's exactly where I was going to go. Because she's like, I'm doing social media, but she's training people in person. A lot of trainers, like, you'll get more clients faster if you don't go on social media.

and you go outside. Well, I think it's all local. I had a great talk with our trainers yesterday about that. And, you know, getting five or 10 people in person listening to me for a half hour, hour, giving value is more valuable than me getting a thousand eyeballs on social media in front of me. And so even though both have their value and have their advantages, those people who I meet, it's so much easier for me to then go, oh, and by the way, I have this free Facebook group where people just like you, I'm helping them with diet. recommendations and exercise and it's free so it's really easy to after you've met me for a half hour hour talking to giving you value to convince you then to join my free community and you just keep repeat and rinse just keep doing that you do do that 20 times and you gain five to 10 people each

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