Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2802: The State of the Hormone & Peptide Industry w/ Vita Bella Founder Phil Vella

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

The State of Hormone & Peptide Industry with Phil Vela Disrupting the health & wellness industry. (2:15) "It's that hard to do IT, so it's that easy to succeed once you've done IT." (2:48) What he did before he started Vita Bella, and the origins of the company. (5:00) The most applicable skills gained from his previous career. (7:41) Calling out the 'Grey Market' and its competition. (9:44) The state of the peptide industry and the fallout with Transcend. (15:54) Results & service. (25:23) Breaking down the Vita Bella membership package. (30:07) Businessman at heart. (33:34) Why he believes it should be illegal to prescribe GLP-1s by themselves. (35:13) Bad actors giving bad guidance. (43:33) His outlook for the future of the industry. (45:14) Will Ozempic and Tirzepatide ultimately bankrupt the United States? (53:27) The importance and value of having a trainer while on a GLP-1. (56:47) "I didn't build this business for money. I built it for a legacy!" (59:07) "Newer" peptides that have been impressed by. (1:03:16) Rapid fire: The best peptide for… (1:11:56) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Vita Bella for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** The first 50 signups will get a Vita Bella welcome box. You can finally achieve a top 1% all-around health at an affordable price! ** http://mphormones.com/ Get 20% off Kion at getkion.com/mindpump ** No code needed automatically applied at check out! ** MAPS Great 8 Launch - (Retail $127, Code: LAUNCH for 50% off!) ** Launch bonus include: MAPS GREAT 8 Nutrition Guide. ** Visit: http://mapsgreat8.com/  Mind Pump Store Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum GLP-1 Litigation: Compounder Sues Eli Lilly, Novo Nordisk Mind Pump #2597: Before You Take Ozempic, Wegovy, or Mounjaro Listen to This! Federal Court Tosses Lilly's Suit Against Strive Pharmacy: Jurisdiction Still Matters Mind Pump #2125: Heal Like Wolverine: BPC 157 with Dr. William Seeds Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources Featured Guest/People Mentioned Phil Vella – "Philly" (@phillyvz) Instagram Vita Bella - @vitabellahealth Instagram Jay Campbell (@jaycampbell333) Instagram Rick Niemi (@gods.economy) Instagram Dr. William Seeds (@williamseedsmd) Instagram Peter Attia, M.D. (@peterattiamd) Instagram    

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I'm talking right now, hit pause, head on over to mindpumpstor.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. Phil, I'm glad you here, dude. Yeah. I'm glad we got you here, dude. Awesome. How you doing?

I'm doing good, man. Good. So, all right, short, let the intro. Tell people who you are, what you do. I met you the first time. We're at the Peptide Congress. That's when we ran into each other. And we hit it off a little bit.

So what do you do? So I'm the CEO of Vita Bella Health. We're 40 state health and wellness company, peptides, hormones, everything. We're the disruptor in the industry. I've got a bunch of other businesses that I own, but by far, this is the sexiest and the funnest thing that I've ever done in my life. That's crazy for me to hear that because it reminds me a little bit of what it was like for medical marijuana days. I don't know if you remember when that hit. I was a part of that.

And it's like every week new legislation, different state laws. You got big pharma trying to lobby against you. And so it feels like it would be a shitstorm to try and run. So explain the excitement or the attitude that you have towards that because it gave me a headache. I'll just say it straight is if I could do any other business again, it wouldn't be this business. Okay. Let me be very clear. It wouldn't be this business.

However, now that I've already done it and I'm in it and I've got all the licenses, the DEA's, the stupid amount of paperwork, all the red tape to get through and be successful, it's that hard to do it. So it's that easy to succeed once you've done it. Oh, I see. So it's so hard to penetrate and understand all of these laws. It really is. And every day, you're right. The peptide laws change. And all of a sudden you're like, yeah, you can't ship in Cholomaphene just to the state of Colorado.

Now it's this one. You're like, you can't advertise Viagra in. South Carolina, but everything else is okay. Yeah. And so the law has changed on a consistent basis. They're going to continue to change the pharmacopee, everybody. But the excitement comes from truly the text messages that I get of people like, dude, you don't understand.

You don't understand. You don't understand. I got a promotion, the energy, my kids, my parents, like the feedback that I get from patients. It's a dick. It is, I tell people this. It's fucking. narcissism. It is.

It's fucking, it's narcissism. I'm just like, I did that. I did that. His life would have never been the same. So like, he's on a trajectory, he's 300 pounds. All of a sudden, he's 2.10, shredded. No girl ever talked to him in his life. Now the guy's walking out, picking up girls, has an amazing business.

I mean, I told the story the other day. This did one of our patients. Guy was broke. Couldn't afford his meds. Now he's making like 500 grand a month. Wow. Killing the game. Guys got a baby on the way.

fiance that it would have been impossible to get back in the day. But yeah, I mean, it's, wow. So you're obviously a serial entrepreneur. Give me a little bit of a rundown of what, what you did kind of before, and then, and then what got you to dip into this space? I've always been in tech, you know, welcome home in San Jose. I was the godfather of Cisco Software Division employee number one. No way. Really? Yes. No kidding. Yeah, I went in, um, zero dollars. And when I first started the division, um, and I left at about five point billion in 2019. Today the division's doing about 22 billion. So that's where I first came up. I know everybody really well here. Chuck Robbins, who's the current CEO, he did my engagement.

John Chambers did my engagement. I know all the boys at Cisco. But yeah, I came up in tech. And prior to that, I had tech companies. But I came in through tech to Cisco through a WebEx acquisition in 2007, crushed it at Cisco. 2019 became a full-time single dad and walked in, chucked my computer. And I'm like, I don't know what God has planned for me, but she's not going to grow up with a nanny. And that's what happened. And so, and then my daughter sat me down one day. Her name's Mia Bella, my beautiful. And I said, what's the greatest job in the world? And she says, it's a doctor daddy. And I was like, well, the hell with me going to medical school. So that's not going to happen. She was,

they save lives. And I'm like, yeah, that's great. We're not saving lives then. I don't know what you want to tell you. But we went through and, and I thought to myself, had double spinal fusion. the doctor said 12 months to recover. I needed to be back in 90 days. Growth hormone peptides, everything. He charged me crazy amounts of money. 22 grand, by the way, per month for the meds. Found out it was 2,200.

And I'm like, fuck off. There's no way. And so I spent a lot of money putting that man out of business. So my daughter and me sat down one day and I was like, Daddy wants to go have doctors work for him. and she goes, that's even cooler. You mean to tell me, we get to tell them who lives and who dies? This is amazing.

I'm like, not exactly, but kind of. And she's like, let's do it. So Vita Bella means beautiful life, my beautiful, my daughter, or beautiful life. Life is beautiful. And my daughter's like, let's call it Vita Bella. And so that's how we got into this particular space. But getting transitioning, when you're at Cisco doing so many different businesses. I had so many different businesses to see and look at.

I got into restaurant industry. I got into AI industries. I got into software marketing automation industries as investors, operators. Then I realized I don't want to operate or and do that. But this industry, the reward is like psychotic. What skills do you think that you picked up from the other businesses that are most applicable to this one? Like obviously, Cisco, you see all these different businesses. Lots of them probably look very different.

Tech is, you think, is very different than peptide space. But obviously you picked up enough to go do very well at this. What skills do you think apply the most that you picked up? What were they? Well, the first thing is we built the company 100% mimicked off of an enterprise license agreement in tech. Okay, explain that. Yeah. So enterprise license agreements is like Microsoft.

They sell you OCS 365. So you get, you know, Word, you get your Excel, you get notes, you get everything. that's included with OCS, email, all of it. So I thought to myself, how do I make like a SaaS instead of SaaS? Health care as a service company. And that's what Vita Bell is. It's a service. It's a membership driven company, very similar to like a software as a service company. You pay your monthly fee. You get access to your doctors. You get free injectable supplies. You get to treat all eight categories, hormones, all the way down to skin care. So we have everything. There's nothing excluded. If it's

treats narcissism, confidence, self-esteem, or ego, we prescribe it. Literally what it is. All things. If you have any sickness whatsoever, please find another company. Were you the first to do that in this space, to disrupt it like that? Did anybody, was anybody else doing like a membership base like that? Hone did a membership base, but it was like testosterone and like one other thing. But to do everything, first of all, we're still the only company that does what we do.

Eight categories of treatment. No one even has skin care. Like you've got hymns, hair loss, they've got, you know, sexual wellness. They focus on one little. Yeah. And so I'm like, by the way, it's not the smartest thing to do. Let me be very clear for those who are thinking about this. Going this broad is very hard because you're a jack of many trades instead of a master of one specifically.

It's a little easier. But give people choice, give people options. Yeah. What's happened recently in this peptide space where the gray market, the research chemicals, they're like, they're selling out. They're trying to get out because something is coming along the pipelines that says, you guys can't do that anymore. It has to be through prescription.

What happened? The FDA has patiently watched all of these companies market research-grade peptides to humans for human consumption. So on the bottles, it specifically says, not for human consumption. But we know who they're selling to it. It literally says in the ads, the emails, the Jay Campbell's, the peptide sciences, This Swiss cams. You can see it all. It's black and white.

The problem is, is there's thousands of CDC cases of people getting very bad side effects. You're not under guidance. You have no medic. They're not looking at labs. You're looking at the catastrophic damage that's being done, the specific individuals that do not know what these things do. Because, quite frankly, they're uneducated in the market.

We've seen people come in that are using GHRHs and GHRPs with PSAs, of 20. So these are those are growth hormone boosting peptides when they have a high prostate enlargement and stuff going on there, which if you had a PSA of 20, it's like, we got to check you for cancer. Correct. The last thing you would do is boost growth hormone if you have cancer. 100%. Okay. I mean, so you're prescribing medications to people and they're taking dosages that no one has any idea. No one has any idea what they're actually taking and what the correct dose is. I mean, we've seen it's sick. What we've, it's sick. And I'm like, and the guy goes, you know, I'm feeling like my stomach, like my stomach. I've got a six pack, but now it's growing because your organs are growing, pal.

Wow. Your organs are growing. You've got cardiomyopathy. You're literally not under guidance. Like how, and I said this on every podcast I've been on, how can you literally look directly in somebody's face or get on the phone with them and tell them what they should be doing when you haven't seen their labs. You don't know their health history and you know nothing about it. It's impossible. And by the way, how do you feel good about yourself? You and I text each other every once in a while and you were like, just wait until I show you some of the test results of these gray mark.

So I've been waiting. I've asked you. So what did you guys do? Do you guys go and grab a bunch of Ray Marcus and test it? What'd you find? So we took a whole bunch of peptides. And by the way, there's some good ones. I'm not going to lie.

There's some good ones. What I'm realizing is, what I'm realizing is these companies are getting it from the same source. So if Reddit TrueTide tests perfectly on one, it's going to test perfectly on most of them. Okay. However, there are certain meds that people mislabel. So because they're getting them in clear Biles, so you have to label them. So now you don't have any QC quality control, meaning like your BPC 157 could be KPV, could be CJC. You don't know because they're just wrapping a label on site.

What if they mix the box? What if they take that box, put it on another area? So four of the peptides that we tested, we don't even know what it is inside of them. So it came back NK, or, yeah, NK, not known. So it said something. You tested for that. We don't even know what's inside of it. Yeah.

And then the purities all over the map. NAD of 23%, 78%, 91%, one of them 120% of what it said was supposed to be inside. So it's like 120 milligrams per. And you're like, what in the, and so, listen, the cost of quality peptides, the cost of real pharmaceutical, licensed, inspected pharmacies that are prescribing, but like Vita Bella, they're not expensive. We make them expensive because of greedy, egotistical capitalist pig fucks. Just to like that. I like that. So hold on a second.

So because they're always saying, look, research chemical grade peptides, you'll save money because the stuff that comes out of the FDA approved labs, so expensive or pharmaceutical, too expensive. And you're saying that's not true. They're just marking them up like crazy. What's it really cost? What's it cost to get Samorlin direct to the consumer? So I'll talk some prices here. Maybe it costs Samorlin for a bottle, $70, $80,000 direct from the pharmacy to me, to me, right? I'm going to be very, this is going to be the most transparent stuff.

I don't know what these cameras are. It's most transparent conversation you're going to have today. Okay. Let's say it cost me 70 bucks, 80 bucks, 90 bucks. I'll charge 190. Okay. 190 bucks. I'm making money.

Yeah. But then you go to other companies, which I know of, they're in Scottsdale. Oof, I want to call them out so bad. So you got other companies that are charging $1,100 for some money. And then they're giving you, by the way, two milligrams. So their margin is 80 to $1,100. And by the way, I'm talking about a 15 milligram. vial of Somerland. Not two, 15. Yeah, I'm selling 15 milligram vials because they're not that

expensive. And all those people that want to come and they're going to be like, oh, but you're still price gouging and making money. How fucking expensive do you think it is to be successful in this industry? I've got medical insurance, malpractice insurance. I've got EMR systems, portals, shit tons of documents. DEA is licensing. Medical licensing in every single state is horrifically expensive. each one of my providers, if I want to get them licensed in every single state, all in, thank God we're getting a little DEA help right now because you only need one DEA right now. But when you need it all the DEAs, it's $888 per DEA per state for one single doctor or one single nurse practitioner. So hold on.

So that's 880 times 50? 40 grand. Per person. Per person, right? That's what it used to be. Now it's just 888. But then you look at all the medical licensing, 30 to 40,000. grand per practitioner if they want to be licensed every seat that's just licensing and how many how many

patients would one practitioner be able to work with you figure if they can you know maybe a thousand ish okay so you try to grow your company you're going to have to add I have a ton I just hired another 20 due to the fun that I think we'll be talking about very shortly all right tell you let's get the cat out of let's go there for a second so what's going on we worked I've had so many of these conversations and everybody's been thanking us So we worked with Transcend for a little while. They were one of the larger providers of peptides and hormones. And I'm not going to go into details,

but let's just say they owe us a lot of money. And they owe everyone. They screwed. They did some bad stuff. Some really bad stuff. Lots of complaints coming out of that stuff. What happened? What's happening with the industry?

And what's this like? That's a big vacuum. They were a big company. Big vacuum. Transcendon, I think, was one of the staples in the industry. They also were the largest overcharging company in the world. I've never seen prices like what they charge. They had salespeople that literally sold.

We don't have even one salesperson in my company. It doesn't exist. It's you and the doctor. If you and the doctor don't decide on it, we're not pushing you months. Period. It's you. So what happened was is a couple things. One, they screwed over their pharmacy.

So they lost revive and some other things, own a millions of dollars. And the second thing is they lost their, what's called the PC group owner for people who don't understand that the doctor, the doctors, right? So Transcend is an MSO, which is a services organization. And then the medical group, the main doctor, won a lawsuit against Transcend to where Transcend couldn't contact patients anymore or do anything like that.

And by the way, this is all public knowledge. It's all out on the web. You guys can look up the cases. So Transcend essentially can't even fulfill pharmacy. They can't refund. They can't do anything. They can't talk to people right now. That's why they're ghosting everybody.

That's why they're ghost and everybody. Correct. And so it is fucking Christmas every day for people like us in this industry. Is Transcend had so many patients, so many patients that didn't even know what they were paying, by the way. And so I hired a number of the Transcend people. We got them down from Michigan down to Arizona. And we are onboarding a number of patients. By the way, my company has grown 300% in the last few weeks.

weeks. Wow. I just, and so we just, I wonder you're smiling so much. Yeah. So we, we are, and the patients are coming in and literally this is, these are, I have so many cool things. I'll give you guys some of this content so you guys can like post like these are like real text messages. We'll redact the names. And they're like, yeah, so I'm paying $5,000 a quarter for my Tesla Moreland treatment. One more time. Three months of Tesla Moreland is $5,000. Yeah. And he's like, how much is going to be with you guys? Because I don't want to, I want to, I want to keep the pricing the same. I was like, unfortunately, it's 900. We're not going to be able to get to the $5,000 mark. Yeah. And so, and by the way, I'm making money at 900. But, but why? Why do you need to overcharge?

Why do you do these things? It was crazy. But the big things with Transcend is I think they had the best education group. I'm going to give it to them. Like the customers that come to us and patients, they're educated. Because the salespeople. Well, it's because they've been listening to a podcast for You guys for forever. Who's been teaching them all about peptides for a long time. They come in educated. So literally I just get on the phone and they're like, yeah, I'll take PPC. I'll take Tessimorland.

I'll take CJC. I want to do a try blend. Give me some different. That's like, and it's such, and I'm like, the average spend per patient is 220% up with new patients. And it's been the greatest thing that's ever happened to my company. and one, I couldn't be more thankful to all of you guys. I know they owe you guys money. I'm sure that we can figure out something for me to take over.

Nah, we're more, I think we're more... I was waiting for this. Less about... Live negotiations, by the way. Less about the money and the thing that, you know, I've had, I think I'm up to 13 or 14 calls with other companies that have all been in bidding wars. And for me, it's less but it's a black eye for us.

You know, we built this not with, the intent to sell peptides supplements or anything else like that. Like we're the business of training clients, helping them with nutrition, getting them in good shape, changing their behaviors, healthy foods, that type of stuff. And yes, we have a large audience that loves all those things. And so it made sense to look for a company to partner with. But man, we, they, all those people have been dumped onto our life. I mean, I've got a forum that's got 20,000 peptide users in it of our people,

20,000 that they just left out. hanging that are just that are furious at us you know and they have no idea how much money they owe us and how screwed we got out of the deal and it's like I mean I'd love to to refund all you people I'll go bankrupt refunding all of you guys on what they owe you and so for me it's like I'm so hesitant and I and I also come from the medical marijuana space so I did that for three years and I know how difficult is a lot of patients don't know they don't know the stress that you have to go through when legislation changed or now you can't do this and it's like that delay sometimes prescriptions or so

of that and then people get and they don't get mad at you guys to get mad at us because we're the ones who introduced that and so it's been a massive headache for us and I go back and forth on do I even want to F with it because it's like to risk another black

eye on our company when that's not what we do although I recognize that there's a massive amount of people that it changes their lives and I use hormone replacement therapy and have for 15 plus years and know what it's been for me. And so, yeah, it's like this, it's an unfortunate challenge and position that we've been put in.

And I'm not sure how we solve it yet. And so we've been really slow to decide on what we're going to do because there's not a lot of, I think you should hurry up. This is not, this is not an IQ test with the right company. Very simple. There's so many bad actors in the space, which that also reminds me of. And can you agree or not agree? I mean, there's a bad actors.

that's a very kind of you. Bad actors is very kind. I think there's fucking pigs. They are. There's people that are more worried about money. That's the one thing that's cool is I don't give a shit about money. I'll wear $20 t-shirts and sweaters all day long. I made the money.

I worked at Cisco. I did the thing and now it's like my legacy to give back. I think one of the cool things about Vita Bella and I'm going to screw myself by saying this live on here because I know some Jagoff Karen's going to ruin this for me. But since we've opened the company, Since the founding of the company, we're a 100% five-star reviewed company. We don't have a single four-star review.

Wow. Not one, period. Fact. And so another thing is everybody is quick to onboard you, right? They want to just get your money. They want to sell you. They want to get you in front of a doctor and spend like five, ten minutes with you and get you what you want because that's what you want order.

And we force you to spend 45 minutes with a doc. go through everything, really understand everything about yourself so that when you leave that phone call, you leave that conversation, that you're empowered. You truly understand what you're getting. And I think that's where we've lost medicine. One, doctors have become so quick to prescribe shit medicine.

And more importantly, how many times we asked it that? You don't even know why you're taking something. Yeah. So you don't, you just take this pill once a day. Okay, and it'll make me feel, but no one, no mechanism, know what it does, no explanation, no education. Right? They don't have this for the normal

when you're sick kind of group, right? There's no three guys sitting in a room. Let me tell you about what, you know, that a Z-PAC does. There's no one doing that. So there's bad actors everywhere. I think that there are a lot of good people, though, too. Did Sal tell you this story

on how we got to transcend, how that happened? It didn't. So we originally started with Dr. Rand and his team. Okay. And a lot of respect for them. Regenerative. Yeah, regenerative. And they're a brick and mortar, though.

They're a small brick and, and mortar. And that was the experience we had. Like every patient saw a doctor and got a meeting. Excellent. The problem was that because they were a small brick and mortar operation, they couldn't handle our volume. So again, I was getting all these complaints of, I can't get an appointment for 30 days. You know, it's like and and, and, but the service was amazing. Anyone who did get in was just like, oh my God, their team was so great. They walked me through everything. Phil were like like they weren't getting oversold. It was just amazing. And so we, the original problem we were trying to solve, was not about the service side.

It was now like, who can handle our volume? Yeah. And so I began hunting for, okay, who can handle our size? And at that time, I didn't know anybody else besides transcend that could handle our sales volume. And so it was like, okay, let's do it. And it started off pretty good. We had a forum. We were making their doctor come in every single week and educate our audience that we were building and growing.

And so, the first year or so, when they were making hay and everything was great, it was not so bad. But then it quickly went downhill. It quickly turned into, it looked like a greedy thing of just selling them, no follow-up, no teaching them how to use it. No, it was just a mill that they were turning. And so we got in this predicament of like, we've had what amazing service is like. And I know how important that is. But then we're also at the size where it's like we can't just go with a ma-and-paw who's going to handhold every single person or they need to be at a size where they can talk to that many patients. I think there's a blend where you can do both, right?

And I don't even think, I don't think you need to have VIP programs or any of that shit. I think you want that. Go to Peter or Tia. Go to one of those guys, right? Pay your $100,000. You want that type of service, pay for it. But if you're looking for really good service, really good prices, there's good companies out there that do it. I just think that they don't spend enough time actually caring about CS.

Coming from Cisco, we were paid on CSI, customer success index. And so we need to make sure that people are happy. And you guys, by the way, on any company you guys go to, that's the true indication of success is, are people happy? Yeah. Because they're not going to leave you. By the way, no one leaves you really for price. And if they do, let them go.

Yeah. Right? They leave you for two things. Results. Are they getting the results that they want? And when they call or email, do you pick up the phone? That's it. it's not hard to be successful.

It's results and service. Are they getting their meds in a reasonable amount of time? We ship when the minute you get off the phone, our average ship time is 48 to 72 hours the front door. Wow. All 50 states? 40 states. I can't do business in California.

I can't, I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't do it. It is the most. We talk about laws. I'm out. I quit.

It's in my bylaws. Someone's going to have to redo my entire operating agreement. Does that mean you don't service in California? or do not service the state of California. Okay. Yeah. I may turn it on. I've been very big ego of anti.

I have such bad experience with the state. And it's just a legal system. Yeah. Right. You know, you show up and I always say every day it's not an IQ test. It's an IQ test in California. It is. Well, it's a smart strategy on your part going back to if your metric is customer service

and you know all the loopholes you have to go through in California. And what a bitch it is, you're going to have, and someone else might be going to go, that's crazy. That's so much volume you're losing. But it's like, yeah, but I'm going to have so many headaches and so many disgruntled patients that have no idea that it's not my fault. It's all this bullshit loopholes that I have to do. And so it's probably. Yeah, we had to get, because we live in California, obviously, they would ship our stuff to a mailbox in Florida that then we would forward all the way over here. Yeah. And one, illegal is shit. But anyways. It's not that I don't want to do business. I don't want to do that. I don't want to suffer. I don't want patients to suffer. Why do you need to go? And then you have to set up that mailbox.

You have to do all of those additional loopholes. Why? There's so much damn business in this country. Let someone else deal with that headache. And they can specialize in headaches. And the people who specialize in headaches make good money. So what are the other ones? 40.

So what are the other states besides California that are paid? Hawaii. New Jersey, Kansas. They have CPOMs where you need to have separate. California requires a whole separate operating agreement, a whole separate company. Same thing with New Jersey, a whole separate company.

Same thing with Kansas. So you'd have to start a whole other company over here. It needs to be an entirely separate company. There's three states that require that. And then a couple of states, and I'm just like the volume is not there. Okay. This is probably the only one that you would consider

maybe building an operation over here. Just the fourth largest economy in the world. That's not sure. It's stupid of me to state. away from it. However, from an anxiety, sleeping really good at night and feeling amazing. Like, when I wake up in the morning, we school and have California. Amazing. I feel good about it. We run a business here. We know exactly what I'm about it. So then the laws, I mean, it's crazy. So I love, by the way, I did business here for the better half of my life. And I, if I turned on in

California, me being Cisco royalty from back I would have a triple I probably 10X the company but I'm not ready I'm not ready to deal with laws yet. I'm not ready to deal with California yet I will literally open up a separate team to own and operate because I'm going to separate pharmacy

so you can ship to California you just need a separate pharmacy that's in California got it there's a lot of little things that you need to do and we've got it I've got great guy I was just on a podcast Rick Nemi shot up for God's economy. And he, he was, he's got a pharmacy here.

And he's like, what do you want me to do? And I'm like, I'm not ready. But when I'm ready, I will absolutely, I'll absolutely turn it on. And so I think, and it's in discussion every day, because it is, it's a big economy for us. But maybe in Q3 or Q4. So explain to me, because I vaguely know the model. Yeah. And I love that you're like a disruptor in the space because I think we think of ourselves

as disruptors. How does the different tiers of memberships work and what comes with that? Yeah, it's a great question. One damn tier of membership. Oh, that's it. One, 129 bucks a month. Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. That can't cover skin.

Watch. Just watch. I got you. Okay. Watch this. Here we go. 129 bucks a month. I'm right.

Can't wait for this close. $129. I'm going to give it to you straight, right? Ladies and gentlemen. So, $129 a month. You only pay for your first. doctors visit, which is $99, $45 minute consult,

15 minutes, they review your labs, 15 minutes, they go over health history and goals. The last 15 minutes, they build a custom protocol. Okay. If you have labs in the last six months, and they've got everything we need, we can use them. Oh, wow. If you don't have labs.

$250. Get ready. No. We give you a full $1,100 Quest Diagnostics, 34 biomarker panel for $89. Wow. If you want to upgrade to full comprehensive,

$189. That's getting you everything from your IGF1 levels, D, everything. Wow. So you get that with us. And then what do you get $129 a month? You get all of your ongoing quarterly doctor's visits included. You get your choice included in the package for $1209 of injectable testosterone sypunate up to max dose.

Enchlorophyne up to max dose or B12 up to max dose. Weekly injections, shipped auto. automatic to your house. So that comes with it. Comes with it for 129. You get your testosterone included 129. But here's where the clincher is. So you get the testosterone, you get everything.

And by the way, we just did this. We just started and added in the meds recently. Prior to that, no meds included. What do you get? You get your dock visits. And then you get access to our war chest of medication when you're on the phone with the docs at wholesale pricing. And you get to treat everything from weight loss, hormone therapy, peptide therapy,

skin care, anti-aging, injury and recovery, hair loss, you name it, the plethora gambit of narcissism and self-esteem. Okay. And your meds get shipped to your front door 48, 72 hours, 24 hours a day, six-day-a-week, clinical care team. At all times, we're online. Sundays a day of God, he rested, and so do we. So, okay, so, okay, let me get this clear then.

So, 1-29 is it takes care of like, which is takes care of me. That's what I need to take. Yeah. But let's say I decide that I'd want to. I need BPC, I need something else. So then is it all la carte? It's all la carte, non-subscription. Okay.

You get the pick. We've got a patient portal. You can go on and click refill, click request meds. Very clean, very intuitive. Come from tech. It should be good. But yeah, you just go on and click what you want. We don't do BPC anymore.

We moved over to PDA. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it's very simple. That's just a precursor to that, right? No. PDA is great. This is great for the pod. So PDA, we replace BPC.

Pentadeca. Orginate. Pentadeca arginate. No, it's the same thing. It's attached to a different. It's the same 15 chain of amino acid, except arginate at the end, it said acetate. And all the studies have shown better absorption, better half-life, better everything. And patients have loved it.

Yeah. Yeah. I've used both. Yeah, yeah, I have that. Wow. That sounds. So what's cool about that, because one of the things about this space is, like, what's going to happen in the future, even though it's prescription peptides, the FDA, and big pharma seem to be,

they don't like the compound pharmacies. They don't like the compound pharmacies because they want their brand name, they want to be able to control things. And this all, of course, with the popularity, in my opinion, with the popularity of GLP1s, this really pissed them off that, you know, you go buy Ozempic, it costs this much,

but you can go get some agglutide from a compound pharmacy for much less. But the way you've set up your company, it's very easy for you sell this at some point because you've got monthly reoccurring revenue. Yeah, it's a SaaS-based business. That's what I'm saying. Absolutely.

So you've actually got an exit potentially, whereas a lot of these other companies, I'm like, how are you guys going to move? What are you going to show? I'm a businessman. Okay. Absolutely. I'm a businessman at heart.

And it is absolutely built for you to show your EBITA and for you to show your growth and for you to have predictable revenue. It also allows me to continue to offer our price points the way that we do. Yeah. It's because I can predict revenue, which allows me to predict on the operating expenses. That's right.

and grow. So I do not outgrow my membership just in basic OPEX. So I'll never have the problems at these other companies when they, you know, when you get slow seasons, when you go in to summer, people aren't ordering enough. Then you're going into, like, because you get seasons within this industry. Yours is consistent. I'm a consistent industry as far as the membership is concerned. And then we offer the meds at crazy prices. I mean, for pharmaceutical FDA license and approved medications, there's nothing like the pricing. It doesn't exist. Wow. And what do you you think about what I said about the future with the with big pharma trying to is that a constant battle are you able to are you still able to do compounded gLPs or those did they take those off

everything that's currently available is still available okay I should say let me rephrase that everything that was available is still currently available so trezipatides amagletites okay yeah oh I don't know that I thought Eli Lilly then shut that down they're trying to strive so this is great we guys can put this up here put the put the readout up is strive sued Eli Lilly. Strive Pharmacy out of Arizona. Sued Eli Lilly. One.

So, pardon me. Pause that. Eli Lilly and the pharmaceutical company sued Strive. Strive 1. Now, Strive is suing Eli Lilley and the other pharmaceutical company. They're going on the offense now. Whoa. Yeah, this is huge news, by the way, for our industry.

This is massive. Yeah, yeah. So it's a big news for our industry. They're actively suing Big Pharma for trying to mitigate the industry. and trying to come down on compounding pharmacies. Because there is a need. There is a need for certain meds to be compounded. And if you have the right prescription and you have the right use cases.

In particular, GLP1s, in my opinion. What we have found with GLP ones is most these patients are dosing is way too high. Yeah, you get almost every single. We did a thing last year where, and it was just for us, for educational purposes, we took on 50 GLP1 clients that the three of us met. with them weekly and coached them through their weight loss journey. Almost every single one of them, their dosing was off too high. Too high. I can't eat. Yeah, too high. And you wonder why they become skinny fat. Right. And it's like, these people can't hit protein intake and lift weights like on

this, like it's crazy. But they're getting these already preloaded, this is your dose or a doctor starting them off of this super dose. So yeah, it's interesting that there's, there's, that Eli, and them even have a case because there's so many patients that we have seen that absolutely shouldn't even be at that dose. And by the way, the political climate, because I follow the space, you know, it's like one second, it looks good this way, then it looks that way. But the political climate seems favorable for you guys with RFK because he's pro compound pharmacy. I see RFK all the time. You do? I do.

Yeah. He works out of my gym in Arizona. Really? Yeah. So he's pro like compound pharmacy. He's pro compound pharmacy. He's pro mushroom. He's pro-epid thing.

Let me tell you, I can tell you that I bet you mushrooms get approval before any peptide or anything else. I think that's number one. Sorry, RFK. No, I've seen the studies on that with PTSD and all that stuff. I would go back to your GLP1 statement. I think it should be illegal to prescribe GLP ones by themselves. I'm going to say what I said for everybody. It should be illegal.

to prescribe GLP ones by themselves. Because one, you're dosing, so you're going to go catabolic. No matter what you do, you're going to go catabolic, period. You guys know that. You're going to go catapy. You have to put some sort of GHRH and IGF, something else to pair it. You have to. So you're putting some kind of an anabolic-like peptide in combination with you.

You have to. If you're a man testosterone, right? If you're deficient, if you're younger, and clomophene. If, and you have to give them. So how many people, like all these companies, they just prescribe the GLP one, there's no nutrition, no, like eat one gram, one gram of protein. There's nothing. There's no workout regimen. There's no, what the fuck do you think is going to happen to you when you're not eating food? You're not lifting weight and you're not getting your protein. Now you're, and here's what

happens is then you guys know this is then they become skinny fat or they lose their muscle so when they get, you could never get off your GLP. Yeah. Because you, if you did, you're going to be fatter than you were than before you started because your, your MBR is going. Everything. Phil, people are going on them and getting osteopenia. Yep. Because low calories. We worked with the group that we worked with. Phil, I'm telling this is 100%.

There was one woman. There was more than one. But I remember this one woman who lost 80 pounds on a GLP1, super low calories. She had 50 more pounds to go. She was eating under 1,000 calories a day and couldn't lose any more weight. Her body had her metabolism had, that's it, plateau. Flatline. And she's like, what do I do?

Do I up my dose? I'm like, no. Yeah. We're going to go down to 500 calories. Yeah. So we had to reverse diet her, which was very hard on the GLP1 and tried to talk to her about working with getting on a compounded one so she could adjust the dosage because she plateaued. You're also seeing that. You're seeing people lose a bunch of weight in the plateau because they lose so much muscle metabolism goes in the tank.

Losing their hair. Like you got a strength train. You can't eat too little. And I love what you said about combining it because you know that, by the way, the pharma industry agrees with you. So everybody listening right now, Phil's not like making some crazy statement. Right now the pharma industry is investing massive R&D in myostatin inhibiting drugs and compounds to prevent the muscle loss. They know this. They know this.

They work right now just has a clinical tube. Yeah, they know this. So what you just said isn't like, like you didn't just invent, like they know they're just not talking about it right now because they don't have their special drug yet ready to sell with the GLP1. But they know this is a problem. So I agree with you 100%. I fucking obsess on this industry every single day. I wake up, my first two, three hours of the day is reading. I just dive in and read and read.

And the GLP1 problem is massive. The biggest thing no one's talking about is they stick to their titration schedule. Everyone sticks to their, I'm going to go here, I'm going to go for. If you are continuously losing fucking weight, why are you going up in your dose? If you're meeting your weight loss, why are you? Because your doctor said, that's another thing is medicine's 50% art, 50% science. I just launched an amazing, an amazing comparison on this. I have identical twins.

That means the exact same fucking DNA. They live together. They both play pickleball. They do the exact same thing. They're in the exact same consulting line of work. The identical medication dose for both, you would assume, same DNA, same lifestyle. It would work. Completely different results.

Wow. So if two identical twins get completely different results, what the fuck is it going to be for you and me? Right. Like, and so medicine's 50% art, 50% science. Even something can work amazing for you and different for you, cell. And the reason why is because all of our bodies are different. They react differently.

And so it's even when we prescribe and I'm like, it should work. And they're like, well, can you guarantee it works? No. But that's why we stick with you. And that's why any provider, they should meet with you on the quarterly basis. You have to have check-ins. so that way you can adjust. Maybe this doesn't work.

Maybe you get a better reaction here. Maybe at this dose it's better for you. I don't know. Same thing with testosterone. We have guys that are like at 160, not going well. They go to like 120, 100. Not that I would ever personally go down. But they get better a result.

And he's like, now I feel my libido's better. I'm like, you're labia. It could be mental. But it works. No, you're 100%. With testosterone even, it's incredible, the difference. I have a buddy, fitness guy. works out and he wanted to try what was considered a somewhat of a microdose of terse appetite.

So it wasn't the full dose at all. Wanted a microdose it. Vomited. Vomited for days. That's how sensitive he was. Whereas other people, you would give that to them. That's what you happen to me too. Yeah.

On a microdose. Did not sit well. No. Whereas other people will take a full dose and then maybe I need more or whatever. There's a radical difference in variance with the GLP. It's radical. Radical. My wife, if I microdoser, we're talking about five units, five units on something where the normal full dose is like, yeah.

You're one point, 150 units. That's right. And five units for her, sometimes we've got to go down to two because she'll get a little bit of indigestion and nausea. Can barely see that on the needle. You're right. It's very sensitive, whereas other people take more. So what you're saying is 100% correct. It's shame, honestly.

And, you know, the bad actors where you talk about like, customer service, I'm more, I'm more concerned with bad actors that are giving bad guidance. Yeah. Because that's what, who gives a shit about our industry and making money? I care about hurting people. Like, that's ideally what these individuals are doing during this cash grab that's currently going on. You got influencers that could give two fucks about you. Oh, yeah.

They could give two fucks about you. All they want to do is click bait you and let you run is the bill as high as possible with their fucking user. Well, you know what a lot of people are getting their education from on peptides are these fitness freaks who take crazy amounts of steroids. It's like, those are not the people you want to get advice from on peptides. They're taking grams of gear and other stuff. How can you, you guys have had so many amazing people on this show, so this is going to be fucking horrible for me talking shit about them. How can the guys that come on here that are on nine other things be like, this is the one.

This is the one thing that changed. My whole, like when I took that, everything changed. It's not the combination of the other nine things plus this one thing together that had the synergistic effect. You're going to narrow it down. That's why I look at like Johnson. And he's like, yeah, rapamycin, you know, I took it out. Dude, you're on 200 medications. Oh, you're talking about that guy that says he wants to live.

You're on 200. Listen, I'm good at math. I'm good at math, pal. There's no way. in my right mind. He's like, yeah, we narrowed it down to that one pill. You narrowed it down. Yeah.

Out of 200 medications to one pill. What do you think about the future of your industry? Is it because of the bad actors? You know what reminds me of? The supplement industry does this to themselves all the time where you'll get some third party, whatever, investigative company will go out and take third party test supplements.

They always come back the same. Eight out of ten of them didn't have what they said or had other stuff in them. And I'm always like, you guys are going to, You're going to make yourself get regulated. It pisses me off. We are regulated, by the way. You are, but...

Research aid, but we are. Yes. You are regulated, but could you... With these bad actors, could you see how they could bring about the regulation that makes it like no more compounding, no more... I think there's no way. So, I personally think there's no way our industry gets destroyed. And the reason why is there will be a revolution like we've never seen before. Yeah, there's too many people that's help.

It's the first time ever that people have control of their health. Think about this. It's the first time ever that people have preventative control of their health to where, you know, PDA, BPC, like actually going in and seeing if it can happen naturally instead of forcing surgery. It's the first time that you can gain muscle and you can, you know, TB4, TB1. There's so many different things that help out with immunity. And for you to come in and take that away, I think it won't get more regulated. I think big pharma is going to get more aggressive in creating their own lines.

Oh, I see. Because you know why? They're missing out on the revenue. Yeah. And they'll find a way to make this. Truly, I think they're going to not only find their own lines, they're going to find a way to make this insurable. By the way, for people listening right now,

just so I remember I asked this question, I asked Dr. Seeds this question. I love him. And he really explained it well. The difference between a drug and a peptide is a peptide your body already produces. Your body knows what to do with it. It recognizes it. A pharmaceutical drug is basically shoehorning a chemical to attach to receptors. And your body doesn't recognize it.

And we hope it does this and not all this other stuff. When you take BPC or TB, you know, your body makes it already. So what you're doing is. Some of them, but yes. On some of them, yes. So there's 7,000 peptides in the human body. 7,000. Peptides are nothing more than short chains of amino acids, less than 50.

More than 50? It's called a protein. Okay. Very simply. The great part about peptides is, imagine you look at a U.S. map. All the highways go somewhere. You want to go to L.A., take this highway. You want to go through Arizona?

You take the 10. Take the 17. Peptides are nothing more than messengers for the body. It tells you, it's like shooting a text message. Click, click, here. Slow down my digestion. Click, click, stay shabee. Click, click.

Send a tax message of pituitary gland. Release growth hormone. They're natural to the body. A lot of them are natural, right, to the body. but peptides, because you're getting synthetic peptides a lot of times. But BPC, no, but BPC is amazing. By the, shout out to everybody that's taking BPC and taken PDA. There's 7,000 peptides.

It's the only one you can't replicate. That 15 chain amino. There's so many GHRHs, there's so many different ones. It's the only one. That's why PDA, God forbid, like we get that taken away from us. We're going to be in big trouble. But there's so many amazing peptides that can do amazing things, but they're just messengers.

And people are afraid. Like it's cool to talk with them. Well, peptides are still new. Is it? What's the first peptide? Insulin. Yeah. Saved what?

Millions, if not tens, hundreds of millions of lives. It's 100 years ago. A hundred years ago. We brought insulin to market, but like peptides are still new. You have to be careful. You know what we need to be careful of is taking chemicals and putting chemicals in our body that we have no, absolute no idea what it's going to happen for you. Like giving yourself something that your body has and more of it,

that's considered amazing. Well, what worries me, because I remember when this happened, and maybe it's different now, maybe what you're saying is, I agree with you, so it might be different. I remember in, remember 2020, remember the craziness that happened then, I remember during the COVID time,

there was data showing that thymus and alpha might actually help with COVID, and suddenly you couldn't get thymus and alpha. They made it, you could not sell it. So there's always a part of me that's a little bit like, oh, man, you know? When there's enough money, they'll find a way. But you're saying the opposite.

There's so much money the way it is now. They're going to try and figure out how to get into the business. You're, there's an inflection point. This is great. There's an inflection point. This is the Kodak, blockbuster inflection point. Is the world's changing. The world is changing right now.

And those who get behind it will flourish. Now, they're going to figure. out dosing mechanisms because like Ozempic and these these these peptides they're patening the dosing they're patening the route of injection they're patenting certain things that make it easier and that they can actually maintain a patent on so that they can make money they're going to innovate at a speed that they never have before in this market they're gonna make compounds with pHs that actually combined and bend together so that they can be injected the body the glows and

everything else that everybody's using, they're going to find a way to do this fast. Like MK and all these. It's amazing that when MK went on the schedule tour, the category two, substance list, MK677 in Buda moreland. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that went schedule. Yeah. Is that why I can't get that?

Just wait. Okay. But yeah, Merck, I believe it's Mark, don't quote me, all of a sudden came out with a, yeah, no problem. We can move forward to clinical, we can move forward to phase two. A week later, not like, you didn't even mask it. It went on the category two, and then all the sudden, yeah, don't worry about it. Everything was good, no problem.

So in one hand, it's dangerous for you and we don't have enough studies. But in the other hand, there were no problems with the study. Let's proceed to the advanced clinical face. Think about that. By the way, that was some strong stuff, man. I would take that and I would just get strong on that stuff. How did, who was it that you said sued Eli? strife pharmacy okay so how are they able to do that is it is because I know like with certain compounds

you can't patent because they're naturally occurring what you're the law how is that with how are they doing that is like a counter suit because they lost revenue when lily tried to sue yeah how are the counter suit that they're doing right now has to do with and again I'm not pulling up the studies here but there's I believe it has something to do with the oppression that they're pushing down on compounding pharmacies and trying to make it hard to do business right you're hurting my business So they're like that's the point. Yeah, yeah. Like they tried to,

that Lilly's tried to sue first, lost, and then that's them coming back and being like, now we're getting you for all the last revenue for tarnishing our name and her name. How did they win the lawsuit in the first place? Is it that you can't patent peptides because they're naturally occurring? It's not that they couldn't patent. They said that they, they couldn't prescribe like trisapitide and some of glute.

I forget what the med was, but they couldn't prescribe one of them. And they went to court and they said, you can't stop them. And I believe you got to look at the quote. Please got to put the quote. up on this damn video what you guys do it the judge says thank god for compounding pharmacies oh wow it was it was like it was one of the most amazing wow that was the ruling yeah it was

one of the most amazing quotes that i've seen out there but yeah it definitely was something to um well to your point that we've reached this point where i i we can't put the toothpaste back in the tube sure because we what for the first time in decades we've actually slowed down the rate of obesity actually reversing. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's, we've been on the rise for how many years? 50 plus years. This is the first time of medical intervention.

Actually, he was working. It used properly, all right, especially if you work with a trainer, protein, right dosing. This is the first time of medical interventions actually can make a big difference. Made a debt. Without also killing you. Almost, it's borderline guaranteed. You can't, you can't stop it from working.

Have you guys, have you seen that? snack food companies are reporting losses. Airlines are going to start cutting prices because the people are not as heavy. They're talking about their low prices. Well, you even see, you see the big shift. I've been talking about this on the show. Yeah, because we know how important protein is,

you're seeing fast food restaurants with a whole new high protein menu, and they're pushing that because they know that everybody's going to be on a GLP1. You have Hershey's and a couple of these companies that have hired doctors, functional medicine doctors to lead them into the next phase. I know some of them that have just been hired, getting paid half a million, million dollars a year to lead them into the next phase. I think the scary part,

and, you know, this is really the scary part for me, is this is going to end up bankrupting the country. And I'm going to walk you through this. Is Ozzympic introsepailles going to end up bankrupting the United States? That's a crazy statement. How is because the biggest issue we have with our funding right now is Social Security. People are going to live longer than they ever have in their life. They are.

It's because you're managing their glucose. You're managing their sugar. Insulin resistance. People are going to fundamentally live way longer than they ever have. Heart disease going down, diabetes going down. Everything obesity related and blood sugar. related. And what's going to happen when all the sudden the Social Security bill, click, click, click, click, click, you're not, we're already on the verge, right? We're 40 billion. I mean, it's going to bankrupt the country as we continue down this line. So they're going to figure that out. They're going to have to. You also have entire industries that are losing money because they are there to treat all of the nasty side effects of obesity and poor health. All the medications. And then again, snack food companies are reporting losses.

Clothing companies are changing how they purchase and make sizes. And so we're already seeing this being reported. And we only have, I think the last time we look, how many, what percentage of Americans were on at geopolitics? That's going to go up to probably three quarters. Well, where are they right now, too, the oral options? Because I know that for sure is going to, like, that's the last sort of barrier I see with, you know, they've got them. Yeah. We've got oral options. I mean, there's oral options available. The downside is our stomachs are so damn acidic. Like it breaks it down. So you got to take, I believe it's like a two point, Dr. Dan is our main guy on this. I think it's like a 2.8% bioavailability on the pill. So you've got to

take like 30 times the dose to get the absorption. It works. But does it work as well when you get report, when people report back? People have reported back. I'm not the keen on this one, but people have reported about good. I just think that there's nothing like injectable, anything. Yeah. Like our stomachs are, the, like I use nasal. I use, you know, the trokeys. Listen, there's nothing better than injectable.

The bioavailability is just so high. And so, yeah, I mean, I think that it's going to be a big, it's going to be the games. But we don't even talk about the real side effects of these products. We talk about side effects all the times, the GLP ones. And like, oh, the blindness to this. What about like evisceration of heart disease, diabetes, cancers? I mean, all of this.

The other stuff you mentioned is so low, even in the data, it's so low. The risk of these things is surrounding air. And I'm not taking it away. You're right. The biggest risk is if you just do it and don't monitor protein and strength trainers, you lose a bunch of muscle. That's the risk. 100%. That's the big risk that everybody's going to run into unless you approach.

And most of these people that are taking it, they don't have any discipline. So they need trainers. We tell them all the time. We launched an app to give them training, but I'm still like, please God, get a trainer. Like do something. You need an accountability, buddy. That's what you need.

Like, everybody needs an accountability. I need an accountability buddy on the basic daily shit that I do. Like, Phil, did you get that meeting? Shit, I missed the meeting. But you need someone to help you, you know, along your pathway. It's not just having a person there to tell you what to do. It's just holding you accountable for doing what you said you were going to do.

You obviously got fat and weren't in shape and all those other stuff. Now you have a cheat code. It is. OZEPIC and TRIZEPA, these are all cheat. They're a cheat code, guaranteed insurance policy. But if you get a trainer on top of it, the trainer should give a good amount of nutritional data to you, right? We've had a lot of success.

We've had some great success so far, Phil, with people who've worked with our coaches, who've been on a GLP1, who are able to come off the GLP1. Create new disciplines. With a scale-down kind of process, develop new behaviors, new disciplines, new ways to approach when the hunger comes back.

Dr. Seeds communicated this really well too. All the neural pathways that you had developed around certain behaviors. They start to weaken after you're on a GLP1 for six months or a year because you're not strengthening them. We've had good success when people come off. And then the ones that are like, oh, I think I need to go back on. They go on a little bit and they come back off, which I think is great because I think the concept of having to stay on something forever. I think that turns off a lot of people. But I think if you do it right, this is the best.

tool I've ever seen as a trainer ever. I've never seen a tool as effective as the if I had this 15 years ago. Trent Trent, Trent, I'm just kidding. I'm trying to get people. That's how we I'm kidding. That's good. So you guys are you guys are you guys are you in another company so the only ones kind of doing monthly membership? You know there's a few that have come out over the over the time period from an end to end holistic from an end to end like literally from front to back anything to do with health anything to do with your body or look, how you feel, how you show up every day. We're the only one that offers it end to end. There's a couple that come out and they offer a number of different products,

but the good part is, is great, but then you still have to pay crazy money. So not only you're doing a membership, but now you're still charging stupid money for meds. The reason why we did our membership is just to control OPEX. And I lose money on the business. People don't get this. They feel like, you're printing cash. No, because I don't give a shit. I didn't build this business for money.

I built it for a legacy. I built it to change people's lives. That's the difference is you've got people that are trying to make it, make their money, make all this return of investment. I don't give a shit. There's nothing I want to buy. There's nothing I want to invest in. There's no North Star of a dollar figure. I'm like, if I just had this much money, I have enough money for me to be happy.

And so now it's my time to give people the opportunity to literally unlock the best version of themselves. But, and so we are, we are. The membership pieces were the best of the memberships. There's probably by now 10, 15 different companies. Of the bigs, Hone, it's really the only one that has a membership. And then you've got the ones that are just one product memberships. Yeah. Just GLP1 membership or just testosterone.

What are you got, Peter MD? You've got all these other who they just suffer on quality of care. Maybe one day we do suffer on quality of care. And guess what? I will slam the pause button on the company because I can. Nobody can do that. Like, that's the difference. No one's willing.

No one can lose money. No one can lose money. I shared a clip with these guys today. I was actually really surprised to hear this. I think it was 60 Minutes with Peter Attia. And she did like a rapid fire thing with him. And she asked him. Most overrated.

Yeah. Most overrated thing in the fitness space right now. And he said peptides. And I, he round about it though. Did you show him the rest of the clip? No. No. So what else?

He talked, he specifically, so I saw the same thing. The rest of the clip, I'm going to give a shot out to Peter. He said, because it's research, you don't know where they're coming from. He goes, you need to get them from. So there's a manipulated clip. So they cut the clip. You need to get the, you need to get the whole clip. It's a manipulated clip.

Yeah, it's a manipulative clip. I was so surprised. I share with this guy because I was like, you know, a lot of what Peter Attia says aligns with a lot of things that we talk about. And I was like, wow, I'm really surprised that he said that's like that's a hundred percent in amount of peptides. Yeah. He's 100, he says peptides. and then he goes specifically research peptides. And then he goes through and he goes,

you don't know where they're coming from. They're not from a lab. They're not from here. They're not QC. So people manipulated that. I posted it on our own wall and people didn't finish watching. And they're like, well, what the fuck? Why am I taking?

I immediately took it down because I'm like, shit, this is going to cause me a nightmare. Because people didn't want to watch. They're like peptides. And then they just ended it and immediately sent us a support email. Oh, wow. And they're like, how dare you do that and put Peter? and I'm like, oh, God, these people don't want to watch the whole clip.

Like, there's 60 seconds up. You watched eight. Yeah. Well, people have been chopping it like that. It's chopped to just him saying that. Manipulation. Well, that makes sense. Yeah.

Now it all makes sense. He's, by the way, I love the guy. I think he's great. He's a wealth and knowledge. I just hate how he flip-flops, but that's also a good thing. He's one of the only doctors that come out. He'll say, I change my mind. Strong on one product.

And when he gets enough research, he'll change his mind. I appreciate that. And the level of respect. that you have to have for somebody like that is hard because they he goes hard yeah when he believes in something he goes hard yeah yeah i feel like we're like that yeah lane's like that lane's done that yeah yeah i think we we we will be staunch about something until the research comes out and we're proved otherwise but we're the first ones who admit it though when it when it does i mean we were that way on eaAs remember how we were on eaAs we talked a lot of shit about it

for a very long time and then uh was blown away by some of the research and studies and said okay it makes sense for this person in this situation i can get it what do you guys think about like some of these new drugs that are coming. I say new new er, right? The Samorlands, that's Somerlands, all that's been around for a while. But Sloop and MOTC and all these other products that people are coming out with, which, by the way, I just jumped on them right now.

So before I get my... Sal's taking them all. Sal's taking them all. I take everything. I have my, like, the BPC and what's the replacement of that right now? PDA. Yeah, PDA. I think between those and GLP1, everything else pills in comparison, in my opinion.

and I've tried a lot of them but I've been injured a lot of times played sports and stuff like that and I know what it's like to recover from an injury without BPC and then with it it is it's literally 50% of their recovery time like half so if you're something whatever injury you have it should take 16 weeks

whatever half the recovery time that's that's miraculous to me I throw in that so we throw in a tonnegelone all the time when we do this Nangeloan is a fantastic and I would say thymuson beta with that right also. So,

so yeah. It's a 500% increase in collagen. It's the only one that has that type of and low doses. It's good. You still got a problem down. Yeah, we know how good all that stuff works.

That's, but as far as the OG stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know how good all that stuff works. Welcome to the OG network. But from the peptide space, I've been most impressed with those. Those are the ones that I think.

And we've tried a lot. MOTC, CMAX, tried the, and he's messed with everything. I think, I think Sloop's interesting. I've seen the reviews and some people rave about it. I tried Sloop. Won't say who recommended it to me or the dose they recommended it. Let's just say it's a buddy mine that gets a little overzealous.

And he's always taking as such a crazy, I don't know it was a crazy dose, but he's like, no, no, try this, you'll love it. Couldn't sleep. I felt terrible. It was like too much. So I haven't touched it since. MOTC, amazing. I felt so good.

And some people take it, they don't notice anything. It's hit and miss. Yeah. I just had our doctor. build a protocol at MOTC. And I'm like, all right, guys, you know, build a protocol on MOTC. They come back to me in like three hours, fully done. And I'm like, really?

And he goes, Phil, there was more research that we found on MOTC than some of the stuff that we've had around for forever. He goes, because we pulled 15 studies in a matter of 20 minutes. We fully protocoled it out. We got it built. And I'm like, there's no way. And he goes, so this is amazing. It's one of my favorites.

It's one of my favorites. Yeah, I took it and I just had this incredible difference in energy and well-being. and Justin had a good experience from it. You take glutathione? Glutothion. I'll use occasionally. You know when I use glutathione? I'll use injectable glutathione if I drink. Then I'll use it or if I'm getting sick.

Then I'll use it. My wife has a really bad reaction from alcohol. If she drinks, sometimes she'll wake up in the middle of night, sweat, won't feel good. If I give her glutathione, then that doesn't happen to her. So that's the other one. Glutidion, NAD are solid, especially for situations like that. NADI. So NAD, we've got a little under 100 meds, and NAD represents almost 40% of the entire company's revenue.

Wow. Really? That's how much. I told these guys, we've done everything from the patch, the IV, all the stuff, liposoma, whatever. And I went through something I shared on the show a couple months back where I came off of Kratum. I had a Kratom addiction, came off of it, had some of the worst opiate withdrawals I ever had in my life. went and got a NAD drip and it was like crazy what a difference I felt like and that was what sold me like I'd already mess with it enough times like oh I think I feel a little bit better Take your crash your body and your health really really bad and then take it and you can feel a Yeah

Night in day difference that was enough for me to be sold on like okay this is this is definitely working Especially in a situation like that so I'm sold on an ID I use glutathione so there's a lot of them out there I think there's a lot, though, that, like, I didn't feel much from Tessimorland. Ibutamorin felt the appetite increase, and I felt my sleep. So I did like that. So I felt the combined BPC and Thymus and Beta or TB 500, and that's like amazing. Oh, yeah. I mean, you get performance enhancement effects from that.

At least I do in the gym. So that's a good condition. Recovery. Yes. Wolverine stack. That's amazing. I think all the GHRPs have been fantastic. I just think you got to get the right dose, right?

Somerland, Tessamorla. in Impermorella and CJC, I think probably the best one. Now, you think... Part of me feels like I'm jaded because I've taken regular human growth. Real growth? Yeah, real growth for a long time. So if you compare to that, I just, I feel like, it's hard. I mean, you're talking about a scooter and a crotch rocket.

Okay. I mean, these are... That's probably why I feel that way about it, because I'm just like, yeah, no. I mean, there's nothing like that. I think that, but I also think that, like, there's little things that you can do like with certain peptides even with testosterone basic stuff like people they're on sypinate their whole their whole life and i was like have you tried tribline have you done like propionate an antonate and sypionate together and they're like what's that and you're like it's really good on

the days you inject yeah and like just doing different things i mean that's what we've been playing oh so you guys still you guys will sell those oh yeah we have every we have every one of them and we've got them separated we've got them connected we got them together a lot of people don't know this either the ester will actually lower the amount of testosterone that's available so like testosterone propionate at 100 milligrams is more than 100 milligrams at an anthraic because some of it's locked up and what's crazier is you got these clinics that are doing one injection a week I think that's criminal yeah that's like what's right and then they're like yeah my ask listen first of all minimum twice a week minimum I don't care when anybody I've got enough labs

because there's a lot of people that are smart they've got a lot of knowledge a lot of studying I've got applied knowledge it's completely different I get to see the labs on a daily basis I get to watch humans like a Monday Thursday is absolutely absolutely fantastic, right? Just because you get more of a baseline. And then you do three different ester. And then so now you get a really cool little map on that. And I'm lucky enough I can take my labs on a daily basis if I wanted to or weekly

basis. And so then you've got other cool things that we've also introduced is we now mix the anestrozozozoal in with the testosterone oil because I got tired of the men. Men are dumb. We're just stupid. We're ego. We're forget. You get your testosterone shut and you're gone.

Oh, I forget. Wow. I forgot. What happened? So you're putting it in the testosterone. Yeah. So we mix it within the oils. We put the arimidics inside of the oil.

Oh, interesting. Well, that's kind of smart. That way you don't forget it. And so I got tired of the support emails and calls. And they're like, hey, you know, my nipples hurt. And I'm like, listen, did you, he's like, oh, I forgot. So now we just removed. Interesting.

All of that. And you put 0.25 or 0.5 in with the oil. So that way, when they get their shot, that's smart. It automatically hits the body. And then I ran a ton of studies recently on Oxangeloan, because we got everybody just hits us up every day for this. Yeah. It's anivore.

Yeah, Anavar. And so the guys are like, yeah, I want 50 milligrams. I was like, you realize if you took like 10 in the morning, 10 at night that would crush 50 in the morning? Wow. And so when you watch it on the graph and you see the levels and you see like the experience. Like this is the little tiny things that we do that is different from some of these other companies. Same thing with our injury recovery protocols. Adding to Angelo and BPC.

Like these are great products. But when you pair them and you stack them together, like the synergistic effects is like a good. Well, just to echo what you're saying. I've been getting my testosterone through a clinic for, like I said, over a decade now. And I've had now three, four different doctors that have done it. And they all were on the one shot a week thing for me. And I also, I don't know what the term is, but like my body, like, so I would spike really hard. By day seven, I was like below what I have.

Oh, yeah, it was 200 of something. And so then they moved it to like a little bit higher dose, still the same problem. then they went to day six, still a problem. So it ended up being like every four to five days is what I need to keep that from that huge crash. And so the natural pulsatile release of the body is every three, three and a half days. That's the natural pulsatile release of the body.

And so if you can stick close to that, you'll keep a lot better. And then you won't get the big estrogens by... Some people are going to subcue or doing testosterone subcube. I've heard a lot of body. this my brain can't get around it. I just can't pull the oil for three and a half

hour sitting there like watching this going through the damn needle. I'm just sitting there and I feel like a Jeopardy song needs to come on. I'm just sitting there waiting for the oil to come in. All right, so Phil, I want to do, I got I'm going to ask you nine rapid fire questions. You're just going to give me the best

peptide for each of them. Say it again? You're going to give me the best peptides or whatever for each of the things that I... All right. I'll give you your best. It's not a conversation just boom. All right. You ready? gut healing. BPCPDA. All right.

Joint pain and inflammation. Probably same adding glutathion. All right. Fat loss. Treaspetite. Muscle recovery. Muscle strength recovery. Muscle recovery.

I probably go C.J.C. Impermorellin for best effects. Sleep quality? Sleep disip. Anxiety and stress. A good woman. Ha ha ha ha. You guys sell those two?

Skin, hair, anti-aging. Skin, hair, and anti-aging. GHK-C-U. You guys could do the glow stacks, but GHKC is great for skin hair. All right. Libido. You got PT-141, and we also brought a new drug to market, which we'll talk. I want to definitely get to that, but blood pump.

Okay. Brain focus and cognition. Brain focus and cognition. Let's see. What's that going through? the I like NADs and it's obviously co-enzyme brain focus you guys do CMAX 5amino 1mQ I like I like CMAX Lank I like SS31 I mean there's a ton of stuff there and then injury repair by far PDA TB 500 and then stack it with some Nandrolone and some

testosterone on top of it oh that'll do it well bro this has been a good time yeah thanks for coming on the show. It's a lot of fight. I appreciate someone like you in the space and we'll see what happens. This has been fun, man. Thank you again. Thank you. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy,

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