Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2808: Build a Butt or Get Abs? Where Do I Start?

Episode Date: March 6, 2026

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I'm talking right now, hit pause, head on over to Mindpumpstor.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. Ladies, you want to build a butt and you want abs. I'm going to tell you right now, build a butt. Start there. That's the best place to start. I'll explain why in a second. You know, it'd be interesting if we had stats on that. Obviously, I mean, that's such a popular thing. I remember back in 24 days, butts and guts was a seminar I used to do. Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that.

Yeah, so it was a popular seminar that we used to run. It would always get filled up too. So obviously, and I see the direction you're going, it's a common goal that someone say. I want a small waist, and I also want to build my butt. It would be interesting to see if we saw the statistics on this. and I would love to wish we could see the comparison of 20 years ago and today because I can almost guarantee with the stats where 20 years ago.

I'm not too sure about right now. I see what you're saying. 20 years ago, 100% everybody tried to get a small waist first and then build the bust. Right. That would be like, I got to lose this, I lose this baby weight or lose my body, lose body fat, lose that first, and then I want to build a butt. where I think more people are aware of the direction you're going to go with this. And I would think that's changed.

But it would be interesting how much has changed. Is it still more dominant that way you think? Or do you think it's shifted enough? I think so. But I think what you probably see more often is I want both. Can you give me a routine? That'll give me abs. And I want to build my butt.

Well, yeah. No, I think you're going to get people that are going to say that. And I have always said that. But I think that the approach. to that? You can't do both at the same time. One requires you're in a calorie surplus and you're gaining. The other one requires you to be in a calorie deficit and you're losing. Trying to do both at the same time means you do nothing. It's literally like you're trying to drive your car forward and back at the same time. So you end up staying in the same place. You have to focus on one and not on

both. And so then the question is, which one do I focus on first? Does it matter? Does it matter if I start with one before the other. Does it make it easier or harder to accomplish the second one if I start with one versus the other? And the answer is yes. Yeah. There is a better, you know, way to start. Or there is a better order, I should say. Start by building a butt. If your goal is to get a smaller, tighter waist and your goal is to get a more round butt, start by building the But because that process of building will make it easier for you to get lean later on. Getting lean first in the deficit can actually make it harder to gain afterwards in comparison. So you start with this calorie surplus.

You go into what's called a bulk and you focus on getting strong. This in turn causes or tends to move your metabolism in a positive way. Then the cut is much easier. It's always build first. Yeah, I wonder if that mentality of like really trying to slim down and the frustration of not building might lead into things like butt injections. Oh, gosh. You know, like all the artificial options out there that, you know, are way more prevalent they were before. And it's frustrating because we know you can literally build a butt.

Like it's something that's like very feasible to do. But I think that the approach for sure like this is, is necessary to think about that first. Not only that, but it's, I mean, I know. We've come a long ways with the science and the fake butts are better today than what they were 20 years ago. But it doesn't look because it's a muscle. And muscles work synergistically. It doesn't look right. No.

It's this you see. I see it a lot, though. I do too. And I ask Katrina, now I feel like because I've talked to her about it so much, I feel like she now totally sees it. but I don't think she saw it before until like I had explained to her. I'm like, do you not see like what the hamstring ratio to the glute ratio looks like and like how off that looks? Uh-huh.

You know, and once you, I feel like once you see that, you can't unsee that. And so it takes away from that. I would rather, and I've told her this before, I would rather look at a body that is more symmetrical with a smaller butt that is proportionate to the legs. Yeah. I think it just, it looks better than this. overly sized butt with no hamstrings to go with it. Well, that's not to, that's also, you're not even talking about the, the dysfunction,

the muscle recruitment pattern dysfunction that happens from having implants under a muscle. By the way, this happens for the upper body too. When women get breast augmentation, it changes the angle of pull of the peck muscles. And so you see things like frozen shoulder and shoulder issues are actually quite common in those situations. Now you're doing it to arguably the most important the most crucial part of the body, which is the lumbal pelvic hip area.

Yeah. And so you're going to cause different recruitment patterns, potential dysfunction, not to mention the risk of things like capsular, you know, contraction where the actual implant itself starts to form scar tissue around it. And that can cause issues. And also at the end of the day,

it's a muscle 10 out of 10 times. 10 times you could build your butt. You could build the muscle. It has the most potential. Yes. It's the biggest, strongest muscle in your lower body. So it's like of all the muscles that you have the most potential to grow and manipulate, right? And change the shape and all that stuff.

Is that. I mean, so, I mean, for sure. Like, I, I mean, that's why I've always, I, the breast augmentation, I've always understood more. Like, there's, you can't, you can't. You can't just add fat. No, you can't do that. But the glute, like, you can build that and build that way easier than a lot of, you. other muscles. And so to go that route. And it, and it looks so much better when the hamstrings and

the quads and everything come up with it. And so it looks way, way better to do that. But I mean, we're getting off a little sidetrack. I know the point of this conversation was, you know, strategically, you know, what do you go about first is you build, you build, you build that. Yeah, you build that muscle. By the way, this conversation is important too for people who are like, I just want to lose a bunch of weight. Like I don't want it, because we used to get, we get clients like this all the time. I don't really care. about building a bunch of muscle. Yeah, it would be cool if I'm a little stronger,

but I just need to lose a lot of weight. So can we just focus on that? Not realizing that the building process makes the fat loss a lot easier and a lot more sustainable. So if your goal isn't to build any muscle whatsoever, you could care less about that, all you could care about is getting leaner,

you still focus on building. That's always the first place. Yeah, by the way, this is not just for women. You pick this goal of butt and waist. I mean, if a guy comes in and he's got a 30-pound overweight pot belly and small arms and chest and shoulders, and he goes, I want to build my chest and shoulders and I like to get rid of this pot belly, we still focus on building the chest and arms first. I don't worry about the pot belly.

It's like, that's going to come down. Which, by the way, so just for people understand, getting leaner and building muscle together is quite difficult. However, your odds of both of them happening simultaneously are far better when you're focusing on building. Yes. It's zero when you're focusing on just losing. Like your odds of building muscle while losing body fat while you're in a deficit, you can pretty much forget about it.

Yeah. But in a calorie surplus, high protein, good strength training, getting stronger, there's a decent chance that you'll actually get leaner through that process. And I used to see this with clients all the time. When I would train clients, I would always focus on. building for a couple reasons. One, for the reason we just said, two, because it was the easiest thing for me to influence as their personal trainer when I would meet them two or three days a week.

Because I'm not with them every day with diet. I can't watch what they're, it's more difficult. So I would just, I would focus on that also because it's like this, we can totally impact right out the gates. And what would happen through this process, almost simultaneously, is it would get stronger and also get leaner. You would see some muscle gain and you'd see a little bit of a drop in body fat percentage. even though we're focused on the building.

And so this is like the best place to start regardless of what goal you have. And it sets you up so well. If you take someone who needs to lose 50 pounds and you focus on for six months, for six months, all we're focused on is getting stronger and building muscle. The fat loss process after that six month process is cake in comparison to you hire me and right out the gates we try with fat loss. It's going to be very difficult in comparison.

But you build that body up first, oh, my God. It's incredible what you can end up doing. So if you have to pick, you do have to pick one or the other, focus on building the butt. That one makes the biggest difference. It's also easier psychologically. When you bring up the point, like, so people have to be asking, like, wait a second, how does that, how does the science work on that? It doesn't make sense that one of them you can do both. And the other one, you can only maybe do one.

and it's like really what's happening is if you do a proper bulk where it's not a sloppy bulk where you're just eating garbage and in a crazy high calorie surplus, then what really is happening and how it's possible that you can build muscle and kind of lean out at the same time is there's periods of that time in that quote unquote bulk when you're actually kind of in a deficit where the body actually starts to lean out a little bit because your bulk is so minimal. You're only bulking 250 maybe 500 calories. So there's actually periods of time. when you're in a little bit of this deficit. And so the body then leans out a little bit

while you also have other times where you're a little bit in a surplus and so it actually has an ability to build. And so you're hovering more close to maintenance a little bit surplus versus what most people do, which is go into a cut. And a cut basically just ensures to your point that, okay, you might cut and lose some body fat, but you certainly aren't building muscle. You don't have the material too.

Right, which also, here's another part of it, if you're listening to this right now and I magically added 10 pounds of lean body mass on your body with no additional body fat, nothing, just pure lean body mass, your body fat percentage dropped because body fat percentage is your body fat as a percentage of your overall body weight. So your body weight went up 10 pounds because of lean body mass. You're actually leaner, even though you didn't lose a single pound of body fat. You're now leaner because that lean body mass. Not to mention the increase in metabolic rate. Not to mention you've just improved your body's ability to burn more calories because you have more active lean tissue.

Not to mention, here's the other part that people that we often don't communicate, which is if you have a guy that's sitting at, let's say, let's say he's at 19% body vass. So he's like four or five percent above what would be considered kind of like fit, athletic, not six-pack, but 15% is kind of like fit, athletic, but you don't have, you know, visible abs or whatever. Let's say he's at 19%. A man at 19%

with good muscle mass underneath looks way different. Way different. I feel like you're talking about me right now. Are you at 19%? Well, we were out. I was at 18.2. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? And I just, I couldn't wrap my brain around it. Imagine being 18% right now, same body fat percentage, but 15 pounds less. Well, so you would look way different. Well, there's pictures of, me that. I was 19. I think 19.2 or 19.7 when I did my transformation. Oh, it looks so different.

And if you looked at what I looked like right now, like, versus what I look like when I was not lifting weights and I just let myself get up to 19% body fat, huge difference. In fact, I should look for, I mean, if you go deep enough on my Instagram, you can find that. Now, what a great point. It's not just about body fat percentage because of the same. Same body fat. It's just one has more muscle, one has less muscle. It looks very different. Very, very different. This is true for women, too. most women would probably want to sit around 21 to 23% body fat, fit, healthy, lean. But a woman at 28 or 29% body fat with muscle looks way different. So I'll tell you that because I do remember the weights and the body fat percentage.

So check this out. So I wish I should have taken a picture for everybody. So I didn't think about this being a fun comparison. So when I did that original, the original, not the last transformation. Everybody saw me do two years ago. I'm talking about the first one I did, right? The one where you first went on social media. You picture me in the mirror, yeah, where I first started, right?

So this is... Yeah, you look way different. Yeah. So I am a... 212 pounds and 19% body fat. 212 and 19% body fat. Where I'm at right now, or what I did last, what, two weeks ago when I did that test, was 233 pounds and 18% body fat.

So almost the same body fat percentage. Yes. 20 more pounds. 20 more pounds. Yeah. Looks way different. Radically different. Like so much to the point where Katrina,

it was just like, that's not right. There's no way to that. It's crazy how that can make such a difference because from a body of a person, it's not technically that much better, but looks night and day difference because I'm carrying so much lean, lean body mass on me. And there's not a lot of charts out there that really depict that well. No. No.

Based off of like, oh, percentages, you want to kind of fall in this range. But it's like, you know, to understand that you put muscle on top of that body, it's itself, it's going to totally look at it adds shape. It adds curve. It adds firmness. Uh, it looks very different. You're absolutely right. I would love, that would be such a great and powerful picture depiction because typically what we'll do is we'll show, you know, a 200 pound man in two pictures, one lean and one not lean, which obviously looks radically different, right? You know, 12% body fat, 200 pounds, 25% body fat, you know, 200 pounds. They look radically different. But we don't often see, which is also same body fat. Same body fat.

but give that guy 25 pounds of muscle. Yes. And do it with women too. Yeah. A woman with way more lean body mass, same body fat percentage. And heavier on the scale. Yeah. It looks way.

Way heavier on the scale. Way heavy. It looks way different. It looks curved. It's so psychologically like beneficial, especially I think for women. Because to the points of like bringing that trainer example in and like telling them how much you weighs. It's like that's such a profound thing sometimes for people.

It is. Not to mention from a health perspective, you guys. Like, if you're strong. and fit in the sense that you've got good function, decent stamina, good strength. Body fat percentage, you know, like, again, I'll use the numbers for men and women, 19% for a man, let's say 29% or 30% for a woman,

which is above what, you know, it's a good 6, 7% above where people would say they'd want to be. But one of them is fit, strong and has some stamina. The other one is just sitting at that body fat percentage. Their health is way different, way different. Oh, yeah. Health markers way different. longevity, way different, quality of life, way different, hormone profile, way different.

It's as if muscle is this active miracle tissue that people just don't realize. This is why I keep, I mean, I keep, you know, sounding the trumpets about what Gabriel Lyon's messages is so, so important. And I think it's so much more true. And it's like, can we change that conversation? It's like, we actually really don't have an obesity problem. We have an under muscle problem. That's really because a lot of these people that are quote unquote 30 to 50 pounds overweight,

if they were the exact same weight, but that weight 20 of that 30 pounds or whatever like that was muscle, you have a radically different body and health markers. I remember, I don't know if it was in the 90s where they started, they would show imaging of people who were, you know, in the category of obese, and they showed how much muscle they had. So these were sedentary people who were obese. And the belief used to be that if you were overweight, you probably already also had more lean body mass. And the rationale was you're bigger.

Carrying all that way. Maybe you're carrying that way. I used to think that too. That wasn't true. They have less muscle. Yeah. My, I mean, they're my favorite studies, not because I like the outcome, but because I think they really demonstrate what we're talking about are these grip strength tests, studies on college aged males. It's wild, you guys.

And grip strength is just a proxy for overall body, you know, body strength. So it's an easy way to test if you're strong or whatever. Can you recruit muscles on command? The last, it was 2015. So it was something like that. It was like maybe eight years ago. They did one where college aged males today have the average. average grip strength of a 50-something year old in 1986 or 60-year-old in 19.

It was ridiculous. Like, they're as strong as like their grandfathers were, you know, as a grandfather was in the 1980s. Just to kind of illustrate how weak we've become because our lives require very little strength. And so our bodies adapt. Yeah. Our bodies adapt. How much of a role do you think monkey bars played?

Oh, dude. All those old videos. I mean, I revisit that a lot. I think about that for just a second right now. We used to play hard. Everybody in here, everybody in this room grew up swinging and playing on monkey bars. Yeah. Right?

Yeah, yeah. When was the last time you saw a kid do that? I mean, Brianna used to do it all the time. Did she? Yeah. But they were the anomaly. So your point, like, that's not. The kids were just like inclined to go jump at the line on these.

I mean, every school playground had them. That was like a standard thing that everybody had and you just did. Not to mention that bouncy, rubbery, uh, surface is detrimental too for kids as well. Like they've done research on that. What is it? What's detrimental about?

Well, so. Aside from its tire rubber. Yeah. Yeah. The chemical exposure is one big part of it. But like, yeah, I think it's somehow like the impact of it. Like too soft?

Yeah, it's too soft. Yeah. Interesting. I'll have to go back and research the study. I don't really remember like what they found, but it was problematic. But I mean, I remember like a simple game. And I'm trying to remember at what age did I stop doing this.

It was probably, for sure, by high school, but definitely all the way through, you know, middle school. We were doing this. But you would, like, how you would swing and see how many you could skip and go and back, going back. I mean, that was like a part of a normal day. Physical, hard physical play was what we did. Yeah.

That's how you played. Because you went outside and you did a hard. But I bring up that because I know you bring up the grip strength test so much. And I think that being able to hang from. a monkey bar is like great for the like the dead hang test that we all test that everybody talks about so much now about and that we all everybody fails at and then the grip strength and it's like I wonder how much when you look at our society as a whole oh of course that that that just just no monkey bars they're just not playing physically kids now play electronically they're just

that's how they meet up with each other that's how they play you guys ever watch those I mean they still got recess at school they do but that's it That's what's structured. I know, but that's what it wasn't like how. When you went home, when you went home, did you stop playing? Or were you outside playing? Yeah, but I wasn't doing something in particular for my grip strength. Forget the grip strength.

You were just stronger. Everything you did was physical. You weren't, when you got home, there was nothing to do other than go outside and go throw football, run, wrestle, climb trees. Like, you know, you weren't at home. You weren't sitting down. Yeah. You know, if you were that kid at home sitting there,

the weird kid when we were growing up like nobody did that you're outside dude there was nothing to do inside you're sick yeah now it's like i've told my that's actually something i told my kids all the time like you know like the kids that do that they're the ones that were sick all the time yeah it's like i don't understand you guys at all like yeah like what's wrong well it's funny it's like i make this joke all the time it's like when we were when we were kids the punishment was go to your room now it's like get out of your room and go outside. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you got to set a timer.

Go stay outside for 45 minutes. Yeah. Or whatever. You guys ever watch those videos? I think we brought it up before on the show of playgrounds in the 50s. Bro, they were dangerous back to the day. Well, yeah, like, three feet, yeah. Die.

I told you, I almost cut my two off. Once a year, we lose a kid. You know? Yeah. It's actually the monkey bars where I broke my arm. So it was like, it was not, it was like 12 foot. It wasn't even like 10. It was like higher than the normal.

And I just fell right on my arm and broke it. And then that same year I broke it again. We were playing. Look at that, bro. Dude, they're so high. Look at the size of that playground. Look what kids are climbing. I know.

No way a parent would let their kid climb. Look at that. He's sitting on the top of that thing. And that's how high do you think that is right there? It's wild that we, it's wild how much that, how much society played a role that it's even conditioned you. Like you wouldn't do that. Yeah.

No, that terrifies. Right, you wouldn't let your kid do that. No. But yet we know that. We know that that was a part of our society and that was normal. Yet you would freak out if you saw your kid do that. It freaked me out. I actually intentionally tried and that was like rough because we'd go to the dog park

and there was like these trees and the kids were inclined to climb the trees. And they get to a point where they get like halfway. I'm like, oh, it's like, hey guys, you know, then they keep going all over the top. And I felt like the parents around me were going to call CPS or something. Yeah. And I'm just like, and so I'd have to like coach him. Like, okay, we can't go like that high. Like maybe like midway.

This is an area where Katrina and I are challenged because I'm, I know I have to do more of that with him. And my son's not inclined to do stuff. Like, shoot, I just, the fact the last pictures I took of him and I posted, you know, you know, on his private thing that I post his stuff like once a week. It's actually, I'm like, I get so excited to see him take risk because he just doesn't, he doesn't do enough of that. Like it's like, and he needs to do more than that. And him and his buddy. had built this, you know, fake bridge between his two beds and they were jumping and flying across, you know, the bed.

And it's like, that's like the, and then it's, come on, dude, it's a bed. Yeah. The pillows and them. Yeah. There's no, but I mean, I can't, he doesn't climb trees. I can't get him to do stuff like that. He's not into anything like that. I remember when we tried to do gymnastics for way back when, when he was right before COVID,

and then COVID hit, which kind of threw a monkey wrench and everything. But I, I, I want him to do more stuff like that. kids just are not inclined to want to do that stuff. Let me ask you this. Here's something that's crazy, right? When we were kids in elementary school, there was always, always, at least one kid, if not two, who had a cast on. Yeah.

Always. Always. That was me. Justin was a kid. Always signing a cast. It's actually pretty rare now, I think, to see. That was a thing. Your friend signed your cast.

Yeah. Like, that was a thing. That's how common of it. I was a car. That was a common theme in school that you signed somebody's cast. You remember that? Yeah, I do. Like, ever, you get a cast and all your friends have their signature on your cast.

Yeah. That was like a thing. God. You don't see that ever. No. Yeah, I wonder if, like, ER visits have dropped, you know, or it changed into more like chemicals or, you know. Like, I swear, like, switches over into something else, typically. Look up the, what the percentage of kids.

Kids under, yeah, 15 breaking their bones. Are kids breaking their arms less common today or something like that? I feel like those numbers probably. Which is interesting because I don't see kids. Well, here's the thing that's interesting about that because you would think malnutrition would play a role too. And so we're less nutritious than we would be. So you would think that would. But they're not doing anything that would break.

I know. So my point is if the number went down in a time when we are less nutrition, we're eating less nutritious food, it would be, it's kind of crazy when you think about that. And it just shows you how much less risk we're taking. You know, the whole nutritious thing, though, I'll push back on that. because we grew up in the 90s. We ate garbage. Everybody ate garbage in the 90s, you guys. It's not like it was radically.

Maybe when Doug was a kid. It's a little microwave food. But when we were kids, you had squeeze its. That's what you were drinking. It was candy. Everybody had Twinkies in their lunch. It was like white friends. Do you think our generation eats horses in this generation?

I don't think so. The kids? Yeah. I don't think so. I don't know. By the way, by no means, I think our generation was good. But I don't think this generation's gotten better.

I don't think Not better No not better But I don't think they're worse Oh I don't think that either Yeah What does that say Well that's a percentage

Down from 2008 to 2017 I'd like to know from like 1980s 80s 90s yeah Yeah because by that point I mean kids were still But it did show there was a drop So I know it's not funny

How much is COVID though Those three years Of COVID play a huge role in that too Although actually that would put everybody Outside Although I did see the other day Like there was some kids in the neighborhood setting up ramps.

Oh, yeah. I was like, yeah, ramps. And this kid is, he's skateboarding through and then they hit each other. Like, he jumped off and I was like, oh, man, yes. Look at this data, dude. Data suggests a 12% decrease in overall fractures since the 1980s, but there's other research that shows a 32 to 56% rise in specific forearm fractures due to calcium deficiency.

Ah. Ah. Oh, there you go. Oh. What? Scroll, click show more because that's a... So in Finland, there was a drop from 1983 to 2005, 18%.

Then there's, um, the forearm fractures in children increased because of what you're saying. Lower bone mass. Wow. Children in 2017, 2018. Whoa. 10% to 11% lower bone density than 1779, 1981. Wow. Whoa.

Dude. 10 to 11% lower bone density. Monkey bars, dude, if you're not stressed, dude, if you're not stressed test today. Monkey bars. Yeah.

It's, I'm serious. Think about what else is strengthening your forearm muscles and your hands and your grip and everything than that as a kid that you're doing. You're not doing Red Rover.

No kids are out there doing wrist curls or doing forearm exercises. You're hanging from monkey bars and climbing trees. Dude, you ever look at old pictures? Like sometimes I look at old pictures, like family pictures, right?

like when my dad was younger, my grandfather. And I look at it. And I'm like, God, they look. Like, they get beat their crap out of like a kid. Like, like, they probably could. Were they just tough? They were. Yeah.

They were just tougher. Yeah. Because they were stress tested. Well, yes. 100%. Great Depression will do that to you. They also look older. It hardens you.

You ever see, you ever see, like, there's old movies and they'll show the actor and they're like, he was 30 in this movie. Like, dude looks like he was 45. Like, what was going up? I feel like just going into, like, cold weather environments did that for me. like just going into Chicago. I was like, oh, just always just tight and hunker down, you know. How cold did it get out there?

Dude, it was like 30 below, like wind chill, my first year I was there. 30 below? I've never experienced that. Like, it obviously here, we don't, you get like up to like candlestick I'd go every now and then. It was like, you know, oh, this sucks. But it was like, that was probably like negative five or something. Well, isn't it Chicago, the places where they had those, like, if you, I'm, sure if Doug will come online.

The pictures of like when the wind is like crazy and it's freezing cold and the cars look like the ice is moving. Yeah, they've had like ice. Yeah. Yeah, where it just covers the entire city. Yes. And you can't get in your car. Yeah, I was just wasn't ready for that.

I was wearing like three sweatshirts. Yeah, there it is right there. Like pictures like that. I've seen pictures like that before. That's crazy. I don't like cold weather. Like what do you do? You're just like not going to work today.

Yeah. You're not getting into that. They got underground. Yeah, there's tunnels and things to connect to downtown. But, like, yeah, you have to really prepare and plan around your days. Yeah, when we were in Colorado, it was cool, but it's a different kind of cold. Yeah, because Chicago's got the wind. And they're the wind and the water.

Canada just comes down. Yeah, the wind and the water. Colorado is dry. And so it's not, doesn't it like, I remember the opposite. Like, it was trip me out. I remember that first time coming down. So I used to have to, we lived in this kind of cabin right above this. like trailer parking.

There's long dirt road to where I had to walk down to get to school, I mean, to the bus stop. And, you know, I remember walking down as a kid in, in the snow. And there's, you know, five feet of snow next to you. And you're a t-shirt. And it's minus three. But it doesn't, it, I mean, minus three somewhere else feels, I mean, like you said, San Francisco, 30 degrees with wind is like freezing cold. Yeah, it's a whole other thing. Yeah.

So it's wild hell. Like, you could be a different, like, climates like that. where the temperature isn't just the only factor, but Chicago out here is like that. I was for sure made for the heat. Like, I don't mind. Heat, make it halt all day long, humid. I don't care.

I'm comfortable. Cold. I would die. I'm done, dude. I can't stand. I had buddies that went up to Tahoe. Was it last weekend when it got super crazy? Uh-huh.

Snow up there? Oh, yeah. So my buddy, he's been out, he's lived out here for a while, but he's like, hey, man, we're going to go up to Tahoe. First time ever going. I'm not a big fan of snow, but the kids really want to go. Bro, he picked the wrong weekend, dude. You know how long it took him to get up there?

15 hours. I've been stuck on the... I've been stuck on 80 before. Yeah, 15 hours. I've been stuck on 80 times where everybody just gets out of their car and there's their snowball fights and everybody's just... No, I'm serious. You're just, it's not moving.

It's not moving and you're just... So everybody just gets out of the car and they're hanging out and you just... What if you have to go poop? Like, what do you do? That's always my worry. You're stuck and you just... Like, what do you do? You're stuck on the road.

Nobody's... I mean, I've never had to go poop, but I've had to go pee in that... On that road. And then you just go, you'll find a tree. Sure, sure. That's not a big deal. But having to go through. Yeah, if you got a number two, like you're...

Always keep wipes in your car, dude. Yeah. I do because I have little kids. I mean, you turn to... Yeah, that's the move. Yeah, with kids, that would be a nightmare. Do you have kids with him? He had his kids with him.

Oh, God. Yeah. I was, like, at least a young adult, you know what I'm saying? So that's like, whatever, I'm bored. And my buddies and I are pissed. But with kids, that would be a nightmare. Because I could just imagine kids being stuck in a car for 15 years. Oh, my God.

Oh, yeah. Forget that. Speaking of kids and playing, I was playing with my five-year-old and my three-year-old. So my five-year-old's a boy, right? Three-year-old's a girl. And it's so funny to see the difference in how they play. This is kind of stereotypical of like boys and girls.

But we all have these like, I have a bat in my hand. It's like a long foam bat. My son's got a shield. My daughter's got a sword. And I'm like, all right, we're going to go kill dragons. All the pillows on the couches are dragons.

Let's go, right? So we're out there like killing dragons. And so my daughter's, She goes and she has to tell a story behind it. Well, this dragon, he came from this place. And then his mom, and she's got to create this complex story around the whole thing. And she's always like, she's like creating this whole complex scenario. She's three, dude.

And I'm cracking up. I'm like, you don't have to make a story. Oh, my God, dude. Hey, and then she picked up, my son has, this is hilarious. He has a plastic T-ball bat. But it's hard, you know, but it's the one that you hit the bat with. Yeah. So we're killing dragons.

and then just out of nowhere. I thought she thought it would be funny. She grabbed the bat. She blasted me full speed with that bunk. I'm like, oh, honey. She's laughing. I'm like, that was hard, dude. That was a little hard, honey.

Yeah. We're trying to, right now we're really trying to implement the money stuff right now. So the save, the give and the invest. So I'm trying to. That's so great. I got to do that. I mean, it's like, it's a process. Like, I don't know if it's because we're, I'm early.

know what I'm saying, trying to figure that out. Like, he's still trying to wrap his brain around it. But, like, the latest thing, obviously, he's been into Lego forever. So Katrina and I are now, like, okay, it's time to implement the money thing. And so let's start to create these little jobs, ways he can earn it. I think I told you guys that, like, he spent, like, all of his money on his, on his Lego. He was like, okay with that. And then he knew, too, like, hey, we're not going to get another one until you do, like, chores and or do jobs, right?

And so, you know, folding laundry. I shouldn't you guys the picture of the toilets and stuff? No. Oh, yeah. So he cleaned the toilets and everything like that. You had him clean the toilets? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

It was $10 a toilet. You know what I'm saying? That's not bad. Yeah, yeah. They made $30? You know what I'm saying? He made $30? You know what I'm saying?

He made $30? Huh? Six cleaning toilets? Wow, that's a, that's a job. So he's, so listen, he's, he's, he's cleaning the toilet and he looks up at my at Katrina goes, this is, this is way harder than washing the car with daddy. He just out of it. And then he gets out, he's upstairs in the, the,

the master bedroom. And he's like, he's like, mommy, somebody peed on the floor. And she's like, well, who do you think did that? And he was probably daddy. He's like, no, probably you, bro. That's you who misses the toilet all over the floors. You blamed it on you. Yeah, you blame it on me.

That was you, homie. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, so Katrina sends me, she, I was out running errands. And there's this like, you know, $30 T-Rex Lego that he wants. And she sends me that he's already doing the chores and stuff like that, uh, to add it up to figure out how much she has to get. And so, like, I'm super proud of him. Well, I'm going over to her mom's house to pick up chicken soup for us because we're sick.

And I'm, like, super proud that. Like, he was the one who came up. He was asking her, what can we do? And the reason why we came with toilet, I'm like, I don't know what the hell else he can do. He helped her fold laundry. That was something. It was like, okay, well, you could do the toilets. We could do something like that as a project, see if you want to do that.

And he was totally down. So we said, okay, it was too rainy and cold to do the cars. So I'm over there picking up the soup from my, my mother-in-law and Katrina sends me those pictures that he's doing that so I know he's got gonna have enough to do that and so he has this relationship with my my mother-in-law where she's always gifted him and stuff like that and so this the soft part of me is dad I go like oh you know I'm gonna swing by I'm gonna pick up that Lego and I'll say it came from Nana you know what I'm saying so because I actually want him to take this money and save it you know so I'm trying to teach the

save and you can't give him the thing exactly you created the job exactly so I so I come home and uh I I bring in the soup and then, you know, daddy tells me he cleaned it. That tells me what he's earned and stuff with that. And now I can get the thing. I said, hey, guess what I said? When I went and saw Nana, I said, she had a gift for you.

He's like, what did you? And he gets all excited. I go outside. I grab it. And I, and I head to him. And it's the T-Rex logo or whatever. So he, he's, oh, you know, so that totally, I didn't see that coming.

He makes a big deal about it. And he's open up. And he's sitting there. And Katrina told me earlier, she's like, you know, he's tired. filling under the weather and when my son is like that he's like a little emotional and she's like he's emotional today and I'm like oh really and I'm like why she's like he's just not feeling good so he's over there and he's doing the Legos and I hear Katrina kind of like talking to him it's okay

buddy and so with that and he's he's starting to cry and I'm like I'm like what the fuck I'm like this makes sense he just got this thing he's all happy and so I come over and I'm like hey what's going on and he's and he's trying to like get control of his crying and get his emotions and she's like, it was the wrong, it was the wrong Lego. Oh. And he's like, he goes, I know, I know this. But he doesn't want to let you know that he's just, oh, poor guy. He's like, I know this is a gift from Nana.

And I'm, I'm not crying. I'm, and he's like, he's getting control. And he's just like, he's talking himself and he's getting his breath. And I just like give him his space or whatever like that. And then she, she, Katrina pulled me aside. It's the wrong Lego. It's not the one that he wanted. But he knows it's a gift from Nana.

So he doesn't want her. Oh. And so. but watching him try and work through that. So it's so interesting. I've seen this now with him multiple times where it's so cool to see how aware he is. He's aware of being grateful.

Yes. But he also has, of course, he's disappointing. He's a kid. He's a kid. Yeah, right. He's a little kid. And I remember being a little kid like that. As a fact, I have a very vivid memory.

Right. Even adults are like that. Yeah. You have an expectation. Right. Right. And so he knows that he doesn't want to be ungrateful or cry or about it and stuff like that. And so he's like fighting these like these natural,

emotions to cry. Did you get him the other one? Well, so yeah, we wouldn't eventually. We didn't get him. Of course. Especially because the way he handled it, you know what I'm saying? Like he literally, he didn't throw a tantrum. He wasn't even crying out.

He was like, you could tell he's like holding it and fighting him back. And I hear Katrina talking. I'm like, what are you guys talking? What's going on? What's the wrong? It's the wrong. Lego. And I'm like, oh, fuck, I fucked up.

You know what I'm saying? I was like, God. The one time I did that because that was a big deal. Like, if you got something and then it wasn't what you wanted, but you were upset about it. Like, I would get, it's not a good thing when I grew up, right? My dad grew up poor, so they have their own thing. Right, right.

But I remember, and I was probably 12, I want to say, and I got my gift from Santa. Not that I still believe in Santa, but I have a little younger siblings. So I still got a Santa game. Yeah, yeah. And it wasn't the Nintendo. And I got something else, and I kind of was sad about it because I thought I was going to get the Nintendo,

and I was really sad about it. And I'll never forget this. My dad, I think it was the day after, he's like, hey, I saw you were upset, like, what's going on? And my dad's, he didn't talk to me this way. So it was a big deal. And so I thought I was going to get the Nintendo. And he's like, okay.

And then he walks away and he goes, follow me. So I went in the car and he drove me the toy store and bought me the Nintendo. Oh, wow. Never forget that. Oh, wow. So I have a same age, too. I'm right around probably like 8, 9, 10, somewhere around that age. And my grandma was the one who always got like the big Christmas gift.

And like, so in that year, I wanted a remote control. car. And like I was like so... Those were a big deal back in this. Huge deal. And I knew... Was it the tight thing? I knew grandma would come... Yeah, come through with like the... And I open it. And it is a... Is it the one with the cord?

Yes. Oh, no. And I... That's every boy. I remember being devastated. Just devastated that, you know? And so I... This one sucks. That meant... Oh, yeah. I was like, ruined my whole day. You know what I'm saying? Like, my grandma came through on Christmas every year on what I wanted, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, I'm at an age where I want to like get the gas power. Like I'm ready. I'm ready for like the real deal like remote control and she got me one

with like a cord to it like I'm fucking four. Oh bro. It was devastated. I mean, I remember crying all the whole deal. And so when I saw that like, like Mints immediately put me back in that and I'm like, man, just the level of control. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That he has. You know, and he's also and to communicate it. So then I'm like, dude, so it was so much better than I was. Do you remember the stupid remote control car? that they would go forward, but the only way to turn is to go backwards. If you went backwards, it naturally turned. You remember that?

You're like, this is, this one sucks, dude. Yes, dude. I mean, I think the cord is the worst. That's another level. It's only going to go four feet. You're going to fall in everywhere. Super slow. We have the technology.

Yeah. Why are we still? Yeah. But, you know, it's crazy. As a kid, like, you can't. Those emotions, they, whether, you know, you're trying to figure all that stuff out.

So to watch him try and, to work it out is pretty wild. You know, it's pretty wild to be that. Hey, I got to ask you guys, when we did the, uh, the big, uh,

photo shoot with Ketone IQ, uh, was that your first times for both you guys taking like multiple servings in a day? Oh, in the same day? Uh, yeah,

for me it was. Yeah, because I, because I do two to three days. I've done one typically, but yeah. What do you guys? What do you guys? I,

I, I took it again yesterday and today. Uh, I, I like it. It's great. Yeah, yeah, I'm on a kick now ever since we had to do all that.

because I did feel so good because I'm drinking caffeine. So they have the ones that are non-caffeinated too. So I can still do that and feel the benefit. Keto and IQ, I thought the best part of that day was the meeting the guy who did it. Oh, he's great. Oh, yeah. And literally was like Justin. How random was that?

And he went to my high school. Yes. Like, dude, of course you have the same kind of sense of humor as me. The fact that he was, when we pulled up his YouTube channel, that he was responsible for that fitness, scared, what's it called? Scared shitless fitness. Yeah, scared shitless fitness.

I shared that video with so many of my friends. He played that. Yeah. It was on Comedy Central there. Yeah, so his group that did like sketch comedy, I think they're called the Clunes, but yeah. Yeah, it was weird because I was like, oh, I've totally seen all their videos,

remember all that, like vividly. Have you guys gone through this? Have you guys, because this channel, because they sold the Comedy Central. He doesn't do it anymore. But have you guys gone through it? They go hard, dude. Bro, they go horrible.

Well, I mean... One of their top videos is for a product called the thruster. Yeah. Oh, I haven't seen that one. Bro. The best part was that we had spent the whole day with him. I love it, dude. We spent the whole day with him doing all the shooting and stuff like that for all the ads and commercials to come out later.

And it wasn't until the end when we got into the studio to do this part that that conversation comes up. And you're over there. We asked him, oh, you had a YouTube channel. I had a big YouTube channel back in the day, like 15 years ago or more. Yeah. And so you're over there looking at it and you're like, oh, my God. Oh, this is, and then I see the title of it. I'm like, oh, this is so just, this is so just a humor right here.

The thruster one. It's a bit inappropriate, but it's like there's this couple. And they're like, oh, you know, let's get into me. Like, oh, I'm kind of tired. It's like, are you, sometimes too tired or whatever? Introducing the thruster. And so you put it on, you and your partner, and it does the work for you? Hey, and they're like, they're like a, do it while sleeping, do it while reading.

It was, you know what? I felt, I can only imagine how good Justin felt, because I felt it for you. It was so, to feel the validation for the ads that Justin did years ago, to show him that, right? To show somebody that does that professionally. It was like, Prism is a little awkward because, you know, obviously they crushed it and they, you know, got signed and all that by, you know, so I'm just like, ah, we were just like meddling and trying ideas. And, yeah, to have him watch that and he was just like into it. Yeah, it was. Oh, he was very impressed.

Like, you could see it on him. I mean, he sat like Indian style in the middle of our floor and, like, watched all your ads because he was just like, this is so good. It's cool. That's like one of those hidden passions. I wish it worked, you know, with our business. You know, who knows, like at some point it might, you know. I went back and watched them all over again.

And I don't know where we, do you have we put them on the YouTube channel so they can, we should put them out there so they just, so we can at least people can search them and find them. Because they're so good. I know you have, you have them on your Instagram. Yeah. You put them in your little bubbles or whatever like that. But dude, the juve one is probably my favorite. The juve one.

That was the most ridiculous. Yeah. Those were so, those were so long. They had a big budget, make commercials. You guys say that. Hey, you guys always give you, dude, ask Eli, he did a lot of that for with me and we worked. It was just me and Eli, like coming up and doing all that. And like, I mean, he went out of his way.

to help me try to like do something with that so he didn't he didn't charge even near what he should of you know what you know though is such an example of how different we are i mean right before we are this podcast i was telling you guys this the way my brain works is like you know how cheap how inexpensive what's how can i test this theory like as fast as fast and as quick as possible to get a good answer and just like elaborate i go complex you give him and he's just like i'm gonna be creative dude he's got that creative mind you like but but hanging out with you guys is hell me to really bring that and distill it down. Yeah.

So like the core of it. And so I feel like I don't know, man. We might be at a place now where we need that, dude. We might be in a place where we need that creativity. Maybe. That's why I want to put it out there again. I think when the, I think as those, those companies, and I would love for you to, I mean, he wanted to link up.

So I would love for you to do some collaborations again. I know it's been a long time since we've done that. And I know Doug probably freaks out just hearing that going like, oh, great, just what we need is more distractions. But it's like, I agree with you. Sal. I think that stuff is getting so AI fake whack produced that something authentic and funny and real like that like that. And I can't think up that stuff. I just, I don't know, I like original ideas. Like there's just so much carbon copying of this is the trend and this is the train.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like I don't even get impressed anymore. That's why I think that's why I think you, now's good time. Maybe you were just way, way too. You're at your time, bro. Yeah. I think you're, everything I'm over in the future once it's caught up it's like dead news you know we got AI for that now

speaking in news dude are you guys seeing what's happening in Mexico? Yeah Port of Arta too is like where a highly traveled place for a lockdown and the cartel

it's a war so how did it start they killed one of these cartel leaders and then it spurred this crazy war who did government? Yes Yes so military government whatever. And I mean, it's to a point where like highways are shut down, airports are shut down,

airports are getting taken over. Hostages are being taken. Yeah, gas stations are on fire. Civilians are getting, like, are driving on freeways getting pulled over, cars get set on fire. Like it's, bro, the video's coming out of Mexico in some of these areas. It's crazy. Did you say that you heard that we're going to get involved? So there's a couple things. Trump's like, let us do something. And then also they're trying to put forward a bill that will allow the U.S. to hire, I don't know what you would call. them, but like private... Mercenaries.

I mean, they don't use that term. But that's what that is. So it's like all these retired special forces guys that are like at home board. What would our... What is our... Why would the U.S.

get involved in that? What's the desired outcome? Because it spills over. And the cartel, you know, they're responsible for a huge percentage of the drugs that come over the border. And so if like if you need,

if you want to stop that, then you need to go after the cartel. But the cartel is like, wealthy and powerful. Have you seen the pictures of what they own for their military stuff? They look more military than the Mexican military looks.

Bro! Like full body armor, night vision. Hopefully the CIA doesn't fund them this time. Thanks, Justin. Just got to put that out there. You drop that conspiracy theory? Hey, you want to hear conspiracy theory? Did you hear about the files they dropped?

And this was government stuff in the 1950s. I love it when they drop it a million years later, right? Did you hear about what they just dropped, dude? So declassified, this is declassified, they just declassified these CIA files. So these are documents that are, that basically reveal a blueprint to manipulate minds through covert drugging experiments. This was called Project Artichoke. And it ran from 1951 and 1956. It focused on behavior control, interrogation techniques, and psychological manipulation.

And they looked at chemicals. how can we use chemicals to manipulate people? How can we put it in the air, put it in water, alcohol, cigarettes. By the way, another thing that we could do is put them in vaccines or injections. This was in, this was literally their plan. Government CIA documents.

This was operating. You can look it up and read it. Many of these files were destroyed in the 1970s. So we don't know the full extent of what happened. Finger and eye. Is that the same time? What was the other? MK Ultra.

Yes. Part of it. Okay, that was part of it. It sounds like very similar to MK Ultra stuff, right? So before, it was before MK Ultra. Oh, okay. So MK. Ultra was later.

Yeah, so emerging from Project. In other words, in other words, never has stopped. No, that's the hilarious part. In other words, it's still going. No, man. Isn't it wild? So they were discussing methods for drugging entire populations. Wow.

That was our own government, though. Oh, my God. It involved. secret program emphasizing that long-term compounds should be capable of producing an agitating effect, anxiety, nervousness, tension, or a depressing effect, feelings of despondency, hopelessness, lethargy. Yeah, but you're crazy for questioning things. Have you guys got any, like, phone calls from friends or family and some of that,

like apologizing for all the, like, how wrong everybody was? No, most of my family. Remember, we're just, we're Sicilian. We don't trust anybody anyway. So when this comes out, it's like, oh, my uncle, I told you. Yeah. Of course. They're just naturally skeptical.

Yeah, yeah. So I don't have a lot of family. Well, they're still fighting on like the surface stuff and I'm like way over here, you know. Yeah, I'm curious about all like the like, remember all the COVID talks about that. Like how much of this has all came out with that? Like how many of people that were so crazy on that side? I think people just like just want to just kind of, you know, Homer Simpson their way out of that conversation. I feel like that's exactly what it's been like for on my side with like anybody that was like that.

Yeah. I thought I was so crazy. This is all bullshit type of deal. During COVID. I get excited. During COVID. During COVID. They did a huge poll.

This was the scariest thing I'd ever seen. They did a huge poll of registered voters. And it was Democrats. So they vote. They did a huge poll. Over 60%. So a majority supported taking people's children away. If they refused to vaccine.

A majority of people polled during COVID. We're like, yes. take their kids away. They need to vaccinate. Can you believe that? I can't. You better believe they're home or something their way out.

That's where, yeah, I'll put my tin. Like imagine being that person. You can find the poll. People don't believe me. Look at that poll up. Imagine being that person that voted that and then all this stuff comes out about it. Like that you were like,

you were so quick to say some, would have voted for something like that in a time that was completely manufactured by a bunch of, yeah, like crazy, dude. Yeah. I know.

I know. I remember the pictures of people who were like they'd have like big plastic like walls where you could put your arms through. And then that's how they'd visit each other with that. The silliness of it. Or the pictures of the bands. The bands.

With the masks on, but they had the opening so they could play their flute. So stupid. So many inconsistencies. Just no brain. Just no thinking. Yeah. Did you find the poll, Doug?

I did. They say it's 29%, but then who knows if that's real or not. I don't, if it's more, if it's 5%, that's crazy. Oh, okay. Well, that's a little more. Pull to not show this. Okay, so it wasn't 60% bro. So there's only 30% of people.

Scroll down, click show more, Doug. Wacking. To see, yeah. Oh, 29% said temporary removing parents' cousins. That's right. 59% supported confining them to their homes. 50, yeah, fines for unvaccinated. That's crazy.

Here's another one. 45% favored allowing governments to force the vaccinated into designated facilities. So relocation. What? Yeah. 48% favored in prison. Everybody else Nazis.

Yeah. Who publicly questioned the efficacy of the vaccine. Almost 50% said, yeah, yeah, we'd like to. Well, this is why. I mean, what's that, what's the statistic on that what people, people would trade freedom for safety all day long. Yeah. That's crazy.

I know. Like, give me, you would trade freedom for safety? Like, that, that is crazy to me. What's that old quote if you trade freedom for safety? Freedom for safety, you get neither. Yeah. Yeah, you end up with neither one. I think so.

I know. I know. I know. I know. Anyway, I got to tell you guys, my buddy, I have a buddy who, uh, like you, Adam, I would say like you, if something doesn't taste good, he's not going to take it. Yeah. So I got him the Legion peanut buttercup protein.

Yeah. Bro, he's, he called me. Yeah. He's like, is this really protein? Yeah. He's like, this is the most delicious. I can't believe this is protein. Yeah, yeah.

I've never, I've never had it. You guys haven't, uh, as I say, you don't, you don't, you don't do guys. You guys have the peanut butter ones? That's our go too. Yeah. It's so good. It's like, yeah, it blends so well. And, like, yeah, they're tripping out.

They're like, what else are you putting in here? And a lot of times it's just ice and we just blend it up. Wow. I mean, I wasn't using the peanut butter, that's what I was using. When you saw me this morning when I was making my Greek yogurt, that's, I put a scoop of the vanilla. The vanilla way in a Greek yogurt, it makes the Greek yogurt taste amazing. Even better. Oh, yeah.

And then it boosted an extra, what, 26 or whatever grams of protein. So I can't have, I can't have dairy, but I do their egg protein. And their egg protein is really good. Yeah. It's really good. The vanilla is really, really good. Yeah, no. No, Mike's got it.

Mike's got a nail. Yeah, you know, I meant to ask him, you remind me when we get off to hit him up. I just, you know, I keep my Legion protein bars right down below me right here. And I just got the new box. And the chocolate chip cookie dough one that I always eat is, is totally different. The texture. So he's changed some sort of a formulation.

I want to ask. Is it better? Oh, yeah. It's way better. They used to be kind of like hard. Okay. And it's like a real soft texture now. So I'm super curious to what he did different.

Have you had one lately? I haven't, no. Oh, yeah. So you'll have to try one. You eat the cookies all the time. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why I have a thing for him, too.

The cookies? Yeah, yeah. I think it's just in the form, you know, because it's a cookie, but it could just be a bar. To be honest, I don't even like them. I still eat them like crazy. I do. I'm like. Worst commercial.

I mean, they don't taste like a, they don't taste like a cookie. They taste more like a protein bar, you know what I'm saying? but there's something, you know what it is? It's kind of psychological. It reminds me of a cookie. Yeah. Like I, and I know, too, it's a little less grams of protein than the protein bar, but I still choose to eat the cookie all time.

And it's like, I know I don't like it more than the protein bar. I've got both right here. I have the cookie and I have the bars right here. And I eat the cookies all the time. But I'm like, it's convenient. You know, that's convenient. I think there's something there. I think there's like, uh, of course.

I'm aware. I'm aware that I have both there. The protein bar has got a little bit more protein, so even better. I'd rather have that. It tastes better. But you like the cookie. But I still eat the cookie. Yeah.

Because it's a cookie. What is that? I have no idea. And I have unlimited access to both. And so yet I finally... I was a big cookie guy being growing up. I think that's my treat. I think that's what it is.

I think there's a psychological thing of that. Like, it makes me feel like, oh, I still get to have cookies every once in a while. I know I'm dead serious. Look at me. It's got protein. Because people have asked me like, hey, do you really like that? I'm like, you know, I don't really like it that much, actually.

I mean, just being honest, it's not like my favorite thing of all. They got a ton of great stuff. It's not my favorite. Like, I love their cereal. I love their groceries. Hey, how many guys are cookies? You went down. How many times have we had a sponsor right in to us to be like, yeah, you know, Adam, you shouldn't say that?

It's great, but it tastes like crap. Take the taste test. Adam's actually said that. I'm not going to say what the sponsor was. We're not with them anymore, but I remember we had a commercial with it. They were so mad. I like that ketone IQ leans into that. Yeah.

Oh, they do. Yeah. Although it doesn't taste that bad. They've improved their formulation. Exogenous ketones. Yeah, but if you lie and say it tastes amazing or you'll enjoy it. It's tolerable. Yeah.

Old exogenous ketones tasted like jet fuel. Like actual gasoline. Well, that's what kept me from really using it was the experience I had with it originally. But it has gotten. It has gotten. You could light your breath on that. It still is not good, right? It still doesn't, it's not saying.

You're drinking for flavor. I can't sip on it like a Celsius. I ain't doing that. Like, you shoot it. You shoot it because it's not. It doesn't taste good. But there is a significant difference. between the way they taste now versus what they tasted before for sure.

You were a big cookie guy, how was a big cookie? Cookie mustard. Were you crunchy or soft cookies? I actually liked the fresh baked cookies, you know, the chocolate chip. Like I said, always, like, you know, pester my mom to, like, oh, make me some chocolate-chip cookies. Soft and gooey. Yeah, but I would steal my dad's Oreos. He would hide him.

Like, he was funny, dude. He would always buy things just for himself and he'd try and hide them and then he'd get pissed off if you found them. I'm like, why don't you just buy more so we can all, like, do the same thing that you're doing? You know, like, but I would find him and me and my brother would be like sneak in and grabbing his cookies and eating them. Oreo cookies are the preferred treat for children with food allergies. You guys know that? What? Yeah.

It's like allergen-free. I know this because I have family members with lots of food allergies. Oreos are like, yeah. Because it's not food? Yeah, I know. Light it on fire and it's like fire-retting. Because there's nothing food about it. Is that one?

You could look it up. I mean, literally, it's not food. Is there nothing food about it? I'm not proud of it. When you're around kids with food allergies and they bring out treats, like 10 out of 10 times, Oreos is going to be a lot. Yeah, they could probably eat plastic and not have any food allergy issues.

I think that's what's going on. It's not really. That's because there's no dairy egg or peanuts. Yeah. What food is in large, right? It's his lard sugar. I don't think it's not even that. Did you put large in?

No, I think. Look up what is an Oreo. I thought it was large. There is nothing real about it. There's no animal lard in there. That made it taste better if it was. Oh, yeah. No, it's vegetable oil stuff.

Is in that. Yeah, dude. I know this because, like I said, I have family members. Unbleached, enriched flowers. Palm canola oil, see? There you go. There's not a single animal product in there. Lame.

High fructose corn syrup. Come on, Oreo. Make some lard. Did you guys like the double stuff ones or you guys stick to the traditional? Yeah, double stuff. You know what, you know what, like, talk about a cool business. Like, like, marketing.

I would love to see, look up Oreos like comeback or like business ups and downs, whatever. They did a thing that I don't know if you guys, there's people that collect Oreos because they run limited runs

of certain flavors. And so they did the most brilliant thing. They made a scare, they created scarcity around types of, really? Yes. I had the sure ones. So there's, so there's Oreo cakesters confetti cake,

Thins chocolate ganache. What? And Minnie's peanut butter, Justin? Oh. Oh, that's... So they have all kinds. They have... I'm like dying right now.

This is just anything... I mean, I... We know somebody who collects them and actually, like, freezes them and stores them has like 100 plus. What are you going to do with them? It's like, they become like collector-type things. Why? What are they going to do with them?

I just, it's a thing, dude. You probably watch for Mad Max and they're like... I'm telling you guys right now, you have to look it up. there's there's all these like they do these limited runs of flavors and they probably lost forever oh that Oreo verse see now that pulls up all the weird uh flavors I didn't know that interesting that's weird yeah I well yeah I know you know what people don't know with Oreos anymore eat them with milk that's not a thing anymore like Kit Katz have a lot of weird flavors like in Japan they have like no zombie flavor yeah I didn't know really weird ones oh Japanese people love the

Japanese culture loves Kit Katz, as Doug. With wasabi. Oh, bro. Yeah, it's like wasabi. Yeah. There's like, there's like sauce flavored. I want you guys to see all these orio flavors.

There's like literally like a hundred. Maybe they, there's tons of them. Yeah, I don't know. Doug, do you remember Kit Katz in Japan? Yeah.

Yeah, they're popular. Yeah. In fact, I saw, I was at like the, at the, at the world market the other day, they had a bunch of them from Japan there. Yeah.

They're like, like shrimp flavored. Shrim flavored. I know. They always have shrimp-flavored something. Yeah. Like they have shrimp-flavored crackers and chips. Yeah, ramen. Yeah.

I would never eat a shrimp-flavored treat. That's what? Yeah, what is it? What is going on? Yeah, look at all those weird flavors, dude. That's nothing. That's not even one. I would have Googled all,

how many total Oreo flavors have there been? That might be a way. Okay, so here's what I'm going to do. I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to do the peanut butter one. For sure, I'm going to try the peanut butter one. Yeah. I didn't even know that existed.

They have like red velvet cake, they done, the birthday confetties. They've done, like, how many? Over 240. I'm in. See, so I, so why I brought it up was because, you know, we were kids, Oreos were a thing. Sure.

But then they kind of fell out of favor. It wasn't like a thing that you hear about all the time. But they've recently, in the last, I want to say, handful of years, I don't know the exact timing, have exploded on the scene again. And I think it's due to, they started coming out with all these, like, limited flavors and additions, which caused all this crazy buzz and social media posting and talking about it.

And so I was. And I'm just curious of like how it did to the business. Like did it, was it trending a certain way? And then all of a sudden it just exploded. Who owns them? What stock? What are they under? Are they, uh, is it Nabisco?

Is it Nabisco? I think it's. And then Nabisco is owned by a bigger one, isn't it? Yeah. It falls under one of those. Monsanto. They're actually owned by Mondalese or Mondele International. It's a spin-off from Kraft Foods.

Oh. Yeah, they used to be Nabisco. But now they're owned by, well, I think there's like two food companies. is that own everything? No, the other's like, that's why I was asking. They're normally owned by one of the big ones

that owns, like, you know, 50 of the brands. You know what sucks? This happens all the time. A healthy food company will get bought out by the large company, and without telling consumers, they'll change the ingredients. That just happened with,

somebody was just telling me about that when I was eating something. Oh, was it those chips? No, not those chips. They make, like, gluten-free siete. Was it siete? Oh, no. You know what it was?

Oh, no. It was. My toothpaste. Tom's? Yes. They bought out by someone? Yes. Oh.

Yes. Tom's got bought out by one of the big ones, Crest or one of those other ones like that, and then they reformulated. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Now they sprinkled COVID vaccine enough? I have no idea.

I have no idea what I got. But I was a fan of Tom for the longest time. And then they ended up getting bought out. And someone's like, yeah, you know they changed the formulation after. They do. As soon as they get bought out by a big company. It's dirty. Those bastards.

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First question is from Sweezy for Real. Is adding daily calisthenics 100 push-ups, pull-ups, squats, et cetera, on top of a maps training program overdoing it? Probably. So maybe depends. Depends, one, how you break it up and two, what program? Of course, depends on the person and stuff. But here's a deal. When we write a program, we write it with the intention that this is what the person's going

to do is their primary form of exercise. Yeah. Now, we, of course, being active on top of it with like walking, hiking, maybe some cardio, totally fine. But when we write a strength training program, we write it and the intentions are, that's what this person's going to do and they're not going to do anything else. Now, I could pick programs where doing more would be more appropriate than other programs. Like, you're not going to do math aesthetic and then draw,

drop a bunch of calisthenics on top of it. But, you know, like a Mass 15 program, if you've got good recovery or, you know, you could do that. You could definitely add it to some of our programs. But if you get a MAPS program, that's how we write them. We write them with this is what your workout is. I mean, it's good. You brought this question up because we haven't said this in a long time.

We used to say it a lot when we first started because this was actually really common. We get a lot of people would be like, hey, I want to do this. I don't know how much cardio do this. I actually remember being like a, like, we get frustrated with like, follow the program. So what we tend to recommend. people is like follow the program exactly how it's laid out and then we modify tweak add you second time around yeah second time around that's the best way to do something like this and so if you

have a question like because here's the truth like uh the answer could be yes could be no could be depends it's it's it and it could be yes right now because where you're currently at in your life or no later on depending on what's going on inside of your life so there's so many variables that make this a possibility or not a possibility the best thing to to do is to trust the programming and that we kind of know what we're doing, follow it the way it's laid out, and then if you want to make tweaks to it, then you have an idea what it's like to follow it exactly that's laid out,

and what happens when you add or take away or change things, and you can go like, oh, that improved it, or, oh, wow, I got less results this fine. That's the way to go about it. Next question is from Brad Barber. Would Great Eight be a good program for a 40-year-old doing BJJ? Oh, of all the strength training programs? Yeah. Either the mass 15 or the grade A, I think the grade eight would be the best.

Yeah. Because it's one movement. One lift a day and then you do your- everything else is sitting around Brazilian judicious. Oh, yeah. So you think, like, again, this kind of reflects a little bit of when we had Corey Slesinger on. Totally.

Where it's like, you know, in-season training. So if you think if you're, you know, if you're doing a sport, even if it's like you're just going to practice consistently and you're not in season or you're in season, you know, that type of format is perfect. for that. Yeah, I'm glad you took this. We get a lot of BJJ questions with our programs with that, and I actually didn't think about grade eight as being like a nice compliment to somebody who's doing something like that. It would be, it's great. This is how, I mean, I've trained clients like this. And the other option is to do a few lifts one day a week, but this is even better where you do one lift

a day, even better. Next question is from not, not a. What is the most important thing when it comes to sleep. Sleep length, sleep quality, same wake time, same bedtime, leading up to bedtime, waking up routine, for example, exposure to sunlight to help with circadian rhythm, and any other factors. So the two most important, uh, quality and length, okay, so those are two, you can't get around those. Now, if you want to improve those, the single biggest impact you can make, uh, is going to bed at the same time and waking up the same time. That, that, of all the things you can do, of course, you know, not talking about the crazy, right? Like drinking coffee before you go to bed or sleeping in a room with the disco music playing

or something crazy. Like the, if you go to bed at the same time, I'm just thinking like someone's like, oh, cool, case there's somebody out there doing that, guess there's somebody out there that's trying to fall asleep to disco music. Like, dude, dude, dude, turn it down a little bit. Maybe stop the disco music. No way to sleep with that music. You got to dance, dude.

No, but the, it's, of all the things that you hear people talk about that'll improve your sleep, that's the biggest one, is you go to bed at the same time, wake up at the same time every single day, that I have the best impact across the board. I mean, if you've been listening to my journey the last couple months, I've been talking quite a bit about this and I'm tracking it diligently. And I mean, I was just, I was expressing my frustration last night that I, to Katrina, and I haven't checked my score today, but part of that's because I know it's not going to be great because I didn't go to bed on that.

and that I the preparing for it like you prepare for a workout or you prepare prepare to start your day every day by brushing your teeth, showering, doing all the things that you do to start your day, treating your bedtime, I thought. And as much as I know that the hardest part is actually doing it consistently all the time. It's just like. Was it, was it TV? You were watching a show? Just her and I were up talking and then she was watching her office on her phone and I can hear laughing and I'm laying in bed. And so it's like not like, blaming her or anything like that.

I was up late talking to her too. We at least weren't watching TV, but we were just up. We were up till 10.45 when I finally said to shut it down. And then she on top of that watched TV on her phone for a little bit before she went to bed. And the combination of that meant that I didn't get to bed till like 1130, which is I know if I'm not attempting to be in bed by 930 and like really shut everything down by 10, it messes.

I don't get the best. I can get okay. but optimal is having a like a discipline routine of like I shut the dinner down by 637 at the latest no more TV by by 9 o'clock and then if I'm shutting all lights everything dark by 930 like and I actually can do that days in a row I'm well the thing that messes people up is they'll think uh well I can get eight hours of sleep if I go to bed late and sleep in technically that's true but then It's not the same. It throws off your circadian rhythm so that when you try to get back on, and typically

it happens Friday night, Saturday night, and then Sunday comes around, you got to wake up early Monday morning and without realizing you've jet lagged yourself. Yeah, yeah, no. Just changed your circadian rhythm. It's not the same. Which takes a couple days to get back on. I have plenty of time to sleep. I don't have to get up super early, right?

We don't get here overly early or anything like that. So I have plenty of time to sleep in. But I have literally figured out that I have to prepare and be consistent about that time. And I have enough length. in time, but that my quality isn't as good unless I do those things and be consistent about those things. And I disrupt it. It makes a difference.

Next question is from Kristen Strauser. Have any of you used BPC 157 and TB 500? You have a rain stack. Best peptides that exist in my opinion. It's the best combo I've ever used. When you use them both together, so today if you get BPC, they have a better version, if you go, especially if you go through like MP Hormones.com. This is FDA regulated pharmacies.

It's not research chemical stuff where you don't know what's in there. They'll give you something called pentadec, pentadeca argonate, which is essentially a better form of BPC. And then TB 500, or you'll get thymus and beta, which is the longer amino acid chain. TB 500 is an isolated part of it. But that combination for recovery is the best. Muscle quality. I get this look to my body that's different. I get, I almost, I feel like I get leaner on it and I've been talking with some friends about this

and it upregulates the growth hormone receptors on the body. So now it's like you've got enhanced fat burning effects. It's the best of all the peptides that I've used and there's a lot of great ones. That culmination is my absolute favorite. It's been the most impact for me for sure. It's, I've been injured multiple times and used it and been in and had injuries that I've done before. and what I've distilled it down to is it cuts recovery time in half. Yeah.

In half. And anybody that I've put on it or introduced it to that has experienced it has noticed the same thing, the two of those. They're just, it's an unbelievable combination. And of all the peptides that exist and I've tried most to all of them, it's the one that I like feel, see a difference. Yep. Like it's like there's not like a, I think I feel this or, oh, I felt a little. It's, yeah, it's a difference. You notice the TB 500 or the thymocin beta

knocked down the inflammation and you recover at a significantly faster rate. Totally. M.PHormones.com is if you're interested in something like that and then you can work with a doctor. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. Mind Pump Media. We'll see you there. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump.

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