Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2811: This Food Item IS NOT As Healthy as You Think

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

Blended fruit smoothies are often marketed as healthy, but the hosts explain why they can actually sabotage fat loss by spiking blood sugar, reducing satiety, and making it easy to overconsume calories. The conversation shifts into humorous cultural trends, including animal fashion, historical wigs, and strange beauty customs. The hosts also share personal updates, including struggles balancing cardio and lifting, upcoming DEXA results while increasing calories, and intense DIY yard work projects. In the coaching segment, trainers guide callers on choosing the right MAPS programs between phases of training. They also address physique competition strategy, hip replacement rehab training, and the challenge of exercise compulsion. The episode wraps with practical advice on training smarter, eating enough to support progress, and building a healthier relationship with fitness. The Spring Bundle: Symmetry , Prime , Advanced Training Techniques Guide all for $147 (over 50% off) mapsmarch.com This Episode is brought to you by Vuori: vuoriclothing.com/mindpump No code to receive 20% off your first order. This Episode is also brought to you by Vita Bella: http://mphormones.com/ Code: MINDPUMP365   To unlock this deal, patients must enroll in our Annual Membership ! What They Get:  $150 in savings when they pre-pay for the annual membership FREE Essential Lab Panel (market value: $1,100) WHAT IS BUTCHERBOX? Better Meat for a Better You! Convenience. Get our meat delivered, for free, right to your door. Each box is perfectly packed and portioned for your needs. Quality. We're committed to premium meat: 100% grass-fed beef, free-range organic chicken, pork raised crate-free, and wild-caught seafood. Our goal is to make high-quality meat accessible to as many people as possible. We're able to deliver you the best products for less than $6 per meal. And shipping is free! Mind Pump's top picks: Ribeyes, Bone-in Chicken Thighs, Premium Steak Tips , Baby Back Ribs, Gluten Free Chicken Nuggets , Flat Iron Steaks butcherbox.com/mindpump No Code ! New users will receive their choice between free Chicken Breast for a year, shrimp for a year or ground beef for life! 00:00 Show Intro, Sponsors, and T-Shirt Winners 03:01 Why Fruit Smoothies Can Sabotage Fat Loss 07:48 Rethinking Breakfast and Food Habits 15:35 Improving Your Relationship with Food 21:02 Weird Fashion Trends and Cultural Humor 34:40 Balancing Cardio Weeks and Lifting 40:42 DEXA Results and Increasing Calories 46:48 Justin's DIY Yard and Septic Work 01:03:13 Coaching Call: Program Selection and Training Phases 01:10:03 Coaching Call: Physique Competition Strategy 01:26:36 Coaching Call: Training After Hip Replacement 01:35:05 Coaching Call: Exercise Compulsion and Balance

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every morning for breakfast, it's probably going to make you fat. It's one of the worst things you can have. It's not a health food. We're going to talk about it. Let's go. Ooh. That is a hot take.

It's like a milk juice. I don't know if I agree with that. A fruit smoothie? Well, I mean, do I get to put protein powder in it? Sure. Here's a thing. I'll tell you why I'm bringing this up. Okay.

I mean, Jamba juice, for sure. Do you guys remember, I know we all had to go through this when it was new. Like, I remember going and getting a peanut butter smoothie at Jamba Juice almost every post workout. And then I remember when they actually started to put the nutrition books in there. And the Rita was like, duh, let me do. Of course, it didn't stop me because I was trying.

Yeah. They put ice cream in it? I didn't even know. Well, I'll tell you why it's so good. 180 grams of sugar in one shot. So here's what he came up. I was watching a show. Okay.

And the guy is in the morning. He's being depicted as like, he's not a health fitness guy, but he's obviously concerned about his health. He's a health conscious person. And like a lot of people, he has his breakfast in his hand, and it's a cup, a clear cup,

and it's a fruit smoothie. And a lot of people have been led to believe that this is like a wonderful health food. Now, I want to be clear, fruit is not bad for you, but if you blend the hell out of it up and you add it all,

first off, you can have way more fruit as a smoothie than you would ever eat. Number two, when you blend it up, you've changed it. So now the glycemic index goes through the roof. So whatever, however slowly you digest it through eating it, you've

blended it up and you've now made it essentially, not the same. I know it's not like a soda, but you've essentially made it a sugar bomb. And it's typically very high calorie. Even if you add protein, you've got yourself this kind of really high calorie, low satiety producing glycemic index bomb that you're going to have. And you think it's a health food. That's what the damage is. It hits you really quick. Yeah. I mean, you're kind of bypassing that whole process your body has of like slowly digesting it and releasing it and timing wise so it just like immediately

hits your bloodstream. Well this is juicers are really bad. There you go. Because if you, the amount of the fiber. The amount of apples and like that you need to like make a like a cup of juice or like whatever fruit you're using in there is a lot. So that really concentrate

like a juicer. A blended smoothie though like if if it's predominantly like almond milk or water and then, you know, and then like a fruit, a piece of fruit in there. Yeah, who does that? I mean, like, I mean, a spinach, blueberry, banana, a protein smoothie would be a very common smoothie I would do.

So, but I mean, to your point, I think everybody should at least one time in their life weigh the bananas they eat because what is considered a large banana in, like, the nutrition guidebooks are not the large bananas you get. at the grocery store. Also, the way it hits you. You know, when you blend food up, you change its surface of the surface of it to the total volume, making it very quickly absorbing. And so, you know, if I ate an apple, it has a different impact on me than if I blended an apple and drank it. It has a different impact on my blood sugar, not to mention the amount of fruit that you can consume in a short period of time through a smoothie. But that's not the day.

Here's the real danger is that people think it's a health food. Like this is a healthy choice. There's far better option. Here's where I'll defend what you're saying, I think, is because I definitely think, I actually think it's a great option for somebody who's trying to build or bulk. Like you can't get enough calories. Yes. Sure.

Because the other point to your argument is that you have that and you digest it really quick and then you're hungry again in like an hour or two. That's why I think it's terrible for that loss. Yeah, exactly. So to your point that I can get behind that, like, if you're doing a smoothie for breakfast and your goal is weight loss, I do agree that's a bad strategy. I think if you were at maintenance and you're happy with where your weight is at and it works for your lifestyle, totally fine. But if your goal was weight loss, and so I guess maybe that's how I would have positioned. I like how you position it, though. But I would have said something like it's definitely. Well, you're encouraging me to get people's attention at.

trying to approach I like it I appreciate that I appreciate that because it made me think about it like okay well I mean I totally think I do that all the time

and I've had clients but you're right I would never tell a weight loss client who's trying to lose body fat you should blend a fruit smoothie up in the morning there's better options is really good there's way better way better options and one of the travesties

with our diet is this myth or this belief or these beliefs around breakfast in particular. So we've been convinced that we should have no time for breakfast. So it's always this rush. So that's number one. Muffins aren't cake. That's right.

Number two, because of that, breakfast foods or foods we would label as breakfast foods in the context of I need it to be quick, are all terrible. Started with breakfast cereals. Then you got bagels and muffins and, you know, pastries. And then the health side is like, oh, here, this is healthy. blend up a bunch of fruit. And if you add protein, it's fine.

Well, no. If you're trying to lose body fat, first of all, it's going to produce very little satiety. It's great for bulking. Not good for losing body fat. You're going to get many people, not everybody, but you could test this with a blood sugar regulator. You're going to get a spike in blood sugar that you wouldn't normally get,

especially if you ate the fruit and ate the protein from a whole food source. It would be very different. Why don't you want, or why are we avoiding the, these sharp rises and blood sugar. We can make the metabolic argument. It's not good for your body. It could cause insulin resistance, blah, blah, blah. I'm not even going there.

Sharp rises and drops and blood sugar, they just tend to encourage not great behaviors. You tend to feel not so good later. Appetite starts to spike. It doesn't bode well for long-term behaviors around eating in a way that's appropriate, especially for fat loss. You know what?

I don't subscribe to this. There's not a lot of great options for breakfast for high protein anymore. So I'm traveling. I was traveling this last weekend, right? And I went and stayed at a cabin with my cousin. And kind of at the mercy of whatever she was the one cooking for the weekend. And so it is what it is. Now, she's health conscious.

So my cousin, Stephanie, who you know, right? So she made for dinner the first night that we were there these like healthy ground turkey enchilada dish. You know, so it's still enchiladas, but it's like a healthier version and stuff. like that and made with ground turkey and this like lactose-free cheese and it was really good and then she made a huge there was tons of us with tons of bulk

and so there was leftovers man four eggs cracked over that in the morning so amazing yeah most dinners that I have I'm trying to think the last time I had a dinner where it's like cracking a couple eggs over in the morning time reheated is not amazing

I think it's so good it is it's just not what someone would considerate like breakfast well exactly it's just that's all marketing. We've been marketed to so well that breakfast is this waffle pancake, which is cake. Cake and cereal

for breakfast is like what's staples, and then just eggs. And we know that one or two eggs is not a lot of protein. But it's like you crack four eggs over top of a dinner dish for the night before and you've got a really high, really good tasting, and makes me feel like I'm eating breakfast.

Even to add to that eggs, right? We think of it as for breakfast. Why can't you eat eggs for dinner or for lunch? Like it's so funny how we put foods in these weird categories. And so then people are like, oh, you want me to eat like some chicken and some rice for breakfast? That's not breakfast. Why not? Why isn't it breakfast? Yeah. Eat it in the morning. And so that's my point with this is that the fruit smoothie has been so strongly sold as this healthy option in the morning. And most people who are doing it are not doing it for bulking. Most people who are doing it are like, okay, I want to lose weight. I want to get healthy.

And it's not going to be a great option for it. It's not going to help. You know what, Sal, you're making me think now. Okay, so how much of that, the fact that that is a fruit smoothie for breakfast is more wild, wildly, are more popular than cracking a couple eggs over dinner is. And I wonder if it's because so much of what has been sold to us, pancakes, waffles, cereal, pop tarts as like the breakfast or donuts or. These are what people eat for so high sugar that that seems more like because of the high sugar and the fruit. Because what is it that makes you go, that thing that you love for dinner, you don't love for breakfast? Yeah.

Think about that for a second. Because of the time of the day, that's all cravings and habit shit. That has nothing to do even with what you like or not like because you liked it at 8 or 6 p.m. It's all marketing. It goes back to even the food pyramid, you know. It's like it's not. category of like we got all the whole grains and balanced meal, you know, breakfast. It's all freaking cars.

It's like recondition yourself to start eating the stuff that you already love for dinner. Which, by the way, you know what this points to, and this is a great conversation, is it points to the complexity around our relationship around food. We're not even aware of half of these things. If I gave you a glass of orange juice with dinner, you'd be like, ew. Yeah. Breakfast? Oh, yeah. Glass of orange juice.

If I gave you turkey stuffing. You know, you're only eating it one day. That's right. The year. That's right. So, and this is a good thing to examine with yourself because it also goes further than that, right? There's foods that you tend to navigate towards when you're stressed out or when you're upset or when you're happy. You know, a good example, by the way.

I think pizza did a great job of marketing themselves as a breakfast food. It's just cold. Oh, yeah. People have cold slice of pizza in the morning because it was left over from the night before. And that even became a thing. That's funny. But it's a really good thing to examine. with your diet because oftentimes with not this isn't the big thing that's holding you back but

it's part of it is like why can't I eat these foods at different times what are my beliefs around food what's my relationship like with certain meals to where when I think of breakfast because that's one of the most challenging meals for clients when you guys agree yeah oh yeah it's always breakfast right that's the most challenging and that and the big challenge around it is exactly this it's like what's a breakfast food yeah and oh and I don't have any time fit it in that category my favorite one is I'm rushed in the morning. Scambling eggs takes a grand total of eight minutes. If that.

Maybe. If that. But it's weird that we're like convinced that it's like, no, no, I got to eat while I'm running out of the door. By the time, this is why it's such BS, the thing, the enchilada or the chicken and rice or the ground beef and rice, whatever you had for dinner thing, by time you, by and to make this easy, too, by the way, I don't know if people do this or not. But I make the big, we make the big dinner.

And then I, when I'm cleaning the kids. kitchen, I'm portioning it out in Tupperware. So it's already set. I literally throw it in my glass thing in the microwave. I hit 2.30. I crack the eggs over. By the time that thing is done microwaving, the eggs are ready to get thrown on top of that. It is not long at all.

So that idea. You know, a hack for somebody who can't wrap their brain around doing this or with a client, what I would do. This is another way I love to use this tool. You fast somebody for 24 to 48 hours. and then their first meal they get to have is the breakfast dinner is the eggs over their steak yeah name that whatever it is watch how good that taste when you haven't had something for that long and it's like you need to recondition that or change that relationship with food there you go that's how

you start doing that is and if that's so hard for you to wrap your brain around and then after you've conditioned yourself which i've been doing this long enough now that i actually crave that Like that sounds so much better than a bowl of cereal or waffles or pancakes do for breakfast Is having so having one of those dinners with some eggs cracked over the top of I'm just thinking of so many things are like toast When would you eat toast aside from breakfast? Yeah, when would you have to a slice of toast with butter? I mean, it's really good thing to think about and understand because I think the key I know this

The key to long-term success with diet is changing a relationship to food that's really what a boils down to. That's all this is. Because when you have a, first off, you have to have a complete relationship with food. What I mean by that is if you grew up in a modern society, which if you're listening to this podcast, the odds are you did, your relationship with food is very narrow, likely. It's likely this really narrow relationship where it really boils down to is it the right time to eat this food and is it palatable. That's it. It's really about it. That's how you judge what you need to eat for the most part is, am I going to enjoy eating this thing. You don't have a complete relationship.

Like, how does this affect my digestion or athletic performance or energy? You don't have a complete relationship with it. And I know this because I've trained so many people that when I would have people start paying attention, they started to realize that certain foods that they ate all the time made them feel crummy. Like, I didn't even realize that the energy crash I had was because I had a bagel every morning. Once I took that out, I felt better. So one of my family members is doing this with diet. And she has eliminated a lot of things out of her diet and then recently had an oat milk latte from Starbucks and she texted us and she's like, this kills my stomach. She's like, I didn't realize I always had stomach

issues and it was probably this thing I had every day. I just had to take it out for 30 days before I realized it. But once you have a complete relationship, here's the selling point now, as I'm going to sell to everybody. As your relationship with food becomes more complete, it gets easier to eat healthy. Way easier. It's not like this struggle all the time because you have this better relationship with it. I mean, I think it's just, I think it's hilarious that something that you admit that you like at 6 p.m. at night, you don't

at 7. That should make you want to inspect that relationship. It's like that's strange. It's not like I'm asking you to eat something that you don't like. I'm like all I'm saying is the thing that you ate at 7 o'clock that you love to eat, throw four eggs over it in the morning time and it's life changing. And it's just like, and then

just do that for a while. Recondition like how you, what you eat in the morning like that and holy shit look at this and it's like it's so time saving because you're you're already making dinner is the one that I feel like most people not everybody but most people consistently make yeah right yeah if they're gonna cook anything if you're gonna cook yeah if you're gonna cook yeah because I mean obviously there's people out there like I don't cook anything right I get that too but the one meal you like but yeah the one meal you cook dinner okay so stop cooking just for dinner and start double the recipe yep like double or triple the recipe and then while

you're cleaning the kitchen up which we all do we have to do section it off in the cup of rice, the six to eight ounces of meat and your Tupperware, put it in the fridge and then in the morning, when you get up and you're in such a hurry, take the two minutes, 30 seconds to put the microwave

and throw the four eggs on. It's so funny. I was just having this conversation something like along those lines with my wife because I did, I grilled a bunch of chicken thighs yesterday. So I did like meal prep sometimes. I make a bunch of chicken thighs.

So I have a bunch of ready meals that I can have, you know, when I come to work or whatever. And so she's putting them in, Tupperwurst for me. And she's like, you're going to eat the same thing. Like, don't you get sick of this? I said, no. I said, first off, I like the taste. It's not bad. It's not like as good as like pizza or something like that. But it's not bad, but it makes me feel good to eat this way. So I enjoy eating it. Now it's not the only thing I eat. I don't just eat these meals because she makes dinner. So we have

something different for dinner. Sometimes I'll have something different for breakfast. But it's my relationship with it is it's enjoyable because it doesn't taste bad. But, I like the way it makes me feel. I just came back from LA for a podcast circuit. And I'm very aware, I've been doing this for mind pump for a while now, where I go and I'll fly somewhere and do like three or four shows in a day, which requires a lot of energy, not physical energy, but you have to be mentally sharp. And you go from one place to another, get on, you got to do your thing. And, you know, so I'm really, really conscious of how I feel mentally. I'm very aware of which foods I should eat when I'm doing that.

And it typically looks like lower carb, higher protein, and I'll have some fiber. So breakfast, normally what I would have would say steak, eggs and potatoes, I'll have just some steak and some berries. And then for lunch, it's going to be like some kind of vegetable and some kind of protein. I don't normally eat like that regularly, but I know I feel more mentally sharp to be able to do four shows from 8 a.m. to, you know, 3 p.m. Yeah. And so I'm just aware. And so what does this mean? When I eat it, do I hate it?

No, I enjoy it because I know what it's going to produce. So the relationship with it is fine. Doesn't bother me. Yeah, yeah. You know? I mean, I actually preferred. I think it's great. I also think, too, I mean, you can't, you don't do dairy.

Right. But the dishes that I'm giving examples of, too. Throw some cheese on? Throw some cheese. I wish I could do. One to two ounces of cheese on top of that, too? I mean, you can throw that on anything. Is amazing.

I do. And let me tell you, one to two ounces of cheese on a dish like that is not what's keeping you fat or not fat. No. Like that, you're talking about a couple hundred calories. in the morning time over a healthy dish, that that's not the difference of you being in shape or not shape. So it doesn't have to be so, it doesn't have to be dry chicken breast and white rice and pouring eggs.

Like, no, I'm got cheese and salsa. And like, oh, it's a- Salza's another good one. Yeah, it's amazing. All right, I got to bring this up. I can't hold it any longer, Justin, because you're going to die, bro. Remember how I brought up how killer whales have been observed,

putting dead salmon on their heads. Yeah. And mocking the salmon. And it's like a style. It's like they're showing off their new style. Did you know chimps are being observed putting blades of grass up their butt? What?

Yeah, Doug, look this up. What? They'll walk around and they'll have long blades of grass sticking out of their butt. And to the best of the scientist's ability, they're like, I think it's a style. Or they ate something that made their butt in. They're literally, this is like a phenomenon that's been well observed.

It's not like they happen to what. Like shaking it around. No, you got to see the pictures, dude. Let's see if Doug could find some of these pictures. They're walking around and take long grades of black. What's the bed? Long blades of grass. It's non-functional and pointless cultural fat.

Developed a fashion trend of sticking. You got to find the pictures of it, Doug, because I was cracking out. There you go. Yeah, see. Grassy butt rolls. They're so hot right now. Look at that, dude. But you know what makes me think up to you?

Like we laugh at that We think they're so ridiculous Like come on Everything we wear is ridiculous I was gonna say this is them They see like women walking around skirts They're like this is their version of that? Or super long high, you know

Super high heels that hurt your feet or whatever Yeah Wow The first chimp to do that was the cool chimp. Right, right Right, right And then everybody decided He's the trend setting

Yeah Look at how much grass he has up his blood Hey look at Dave dude He's got He's got something Something shiny over here As soon as the female chimps were attracted to it

all the other dudes were like... That is so weird. I know. Is it possible there's some sort of nutrient that's in the grass that is getting absorbed? I don't think of it. Or was this like a prank and they're like, you know, like farting it over one of them or something? I mean, did you go, did you go down the rabbit hole only read some theories or they just go directly to trend? The best theory.

That's it. It's some kind of social trend. As soon as Doug Google that that was the first thing that came up was trend. One of the one was like, it just accidentally like, you know, was trying to like wipe or something. stuck it in there and they're just walking around. They're like, oh, man, there's a... He's on to something. 12-year-old chimp named Juma

who started it all. In 2023. Yeah. Oh, it's like, this is a new. Yeah. Hey, you got those Juma? And so once Juma did it, so once Juma did it,

five other chimps did the same thing within a few weeks. What? Yeah. Then they just like grab one and do that blade thing. Juma's a trendsetter, dude. Yeah. Juma does.

You got them jimmas, dude. Dude. Weird. Speaking of like revelation and stuff. So I'm in L.A. right? I got to share this because it's just, you know, for the aging dudes. It's a great. For the aging dudes listening right now.

So I'm in the hotel. And in the hotel room, the bathroom has your mirror. But it has one of those side mirrors that kind of unfolds. Oh, no. Folds out the little mirror. Yeah, yeah. And I wake up, you know, do my thing, take a shower. I'm trying to like get my hair to look halfway decent or whatever.

So I use the little mirror. and I go like this, I see my head, bro, from this angle right here. Bro. I think every... Hey. The hair losses. Every... I think every...

It's happening. Every man that went bald has that story. That one time. That time. I know. Like, you were never in denial that you were thinning. No. I knew it.

I was never in denial. But there is a time. There's a very clear moment in time. And I remember what mine was. It was when we were shooting content early days out in the front. and Rachel still work for us. And I think her and Drew were behind the camera back then. And she's doing cuts, you know?

And then she'd come over and she'd be like, and between cuts, I was down on my phone working. And that was when we had all them soft lights up there. So it was bright lights. And so she's like, you know, what do you think of this edit? She's going through. And then you see me put my head down and look at it and I'm like, and I'm like, what's happening?

Nobody told me it was like that bad. You know, it's like, I knew. Of course I knew, but I didn't know like that. Like, and I was just, that was it. I lived next day, I was shaved off, dude. And then I never looked back. Well, so I'm like, I'm not as brave as you are. So I was telling my wife, because my wife's been slowly, like, encourage me.

Like, cut of your hair shorter. Like, let's slowly transition. So I text her. I'm like, babe. I'm like, it's really bad. She's like, I'm like, honey, you're short. You don't see the top. Like, like, you know, because you see me from here.

That's how I felt Katrina was. Katrina was like, oh, it's fine. I'm like, you don't see the top, dude. Yeah, you don't see the ankle. When Vicki cuts your hair, so today it's shorter. Every week, get it a little shorter, a little shorter, and then eventually you'll be all the way down. This is an interesting strategy.

I'm not against it. I think it's interesting. I'm more of a rip the band-a-bending off there. So you get like the crew cut going now. Because I'm trying to think if I, like, I'm looking at it right now and I'm like, if I grew mine back out, I think I might be like. Would it be like this? Well, who knows, though?

It's been a while, you know what I'm saying? So I like, because I was, I was already committed before that. Yeah, yeah. You're thin enough now where I was, I was, that was enough for me. That was that the white light hitting like the experience you just had was enough for me to go like. But I also, you know, because, and you'll see, watch when you get all these messages. There's a bunch of dudes. Yeah, yeah.

Well, yeah. I mean, I, as a kid, I shaved my head intentionally, like, all the time. So did I. Oh, you did. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so there shouldn't be a big deal for you either. Yeah.

That's why I feel like if you were. Honestly, if we weren't on camera all the time, I wouldn't care less. I'd just shave it. But I just, I'm waiting for the comments. You know what I mean? Like, oh, you shaved his head. Where to go, you know? Maybe become a beanie guy.

A beanie guy? You're not really a hat guy. No, you guys have good hat faces. I don't. The beak thing. Justin is the one that makes me the most angry. He has this gorgeous hair and he wears a hat all the time. It's like disrespectful.

It's like disrespectful to guys that don't have hair. I don't like to see a guy wear a ball cap all the time. I did. It's just not my thing, man. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever it is. Whatever, bro.

Disrespectful. Yeah. Sorry. You know, back in the day, A, bald heads were prized. Really? Yes. I love that you could always back up.

Yes. And men used to shave their heads in different cultures. He never brought this up when I was bald. No. I think that was because of syphilis. As soon as he starts going bald, he starts finding a research. Yeah, he comes out with the science and support. Why this makes him a superior man.

See that? That was syphilis and they got wigs as a result. So, yeah. Well, no, there's other. Is that how the wig? thing started? Yeah, yeah. The powdered wigs.

Like, yeah, like, they all had syphilis, yeah. Wow. I didn't know. I know, like, I know in Japanese culture, men would shave the top. I know that for a long time, not, not recent, but a while ago, if you were gray or especially balding, it was considered, like, wisdom, you know, you were considered more wise. That's gray.

I know that about gray. I don't know about bald. No, really. It was, it was bald. You had to have the really long, you know. No, not that. Yeah. Whatever, dude.

Mastachio. I'll just be with that. Are you searching for us, Doug? Yeah. So in Egypt, apparently it was a big thing. Bald heads. Yeah, there you go. That's a long time ago, though.

Egypt. Things have changed a bit. You'll Brenner. Whatever, dude. Well, I know. Fact check just the syphilist thing. I want to hint that. Oh, yeah.

No, I know. I'm on point with that. Across various culture, shaving the head was a symbol of... What is a racist history of hair loss? Huh? Racist. Look at the top... Racist history?

The hidden racist history of hair loss. Come on, bro. Everything's racist. That's so stupid. Right. See right there, what's that symbol of wisdom? Historically, in some context, baldness was associated with maturity wisdom and nurturing, and it was treated with neutrality in art rather than as a flaw.

Yeah, just look at powdered wigs and syphilis. Well, I feel like the wisdom part is that because it's just like, if you, like, for example, Doug, with all his hair and his good looks, could pass as a very young man still. Yeah. When you're bald, there's no passing as a year. As soon as I became fully bald, I never got carded again. Really? Yeah, never.

Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. Once that happened, it was just like... It's not that, like, athletic, you know. Yeah, there's no, like, it can't pull off the... Maybe he's 17. Yeah. No, he's like, he's for sure of age.

Maybe he could sell him the soccer shells or something, yeah. Yeah, see, look at that. Powdered wigs were heavily associated with the syphilis epidemic that plagued Europe starting the 8th... Thank you. Wow. Popular fashionable, a necessary way to conceal the symptoms of the disease. Yeah.

Which included patchy hair laws. Scal spores. So this is like the big white ones that, like, the judges. Powdered wigs. Yeah. That's what those are called powder wigs. They would powder them.

What do you mean about that? What do you mean? They would have a wig. And I don't know if it was human hair or horse hair. I think it was horse hair. And they would powder them with white powder to make them white. So they're called powdered wigs. Oh, so those are those would be colored normally.

Because horse hair. They would use horse hair. No kidding. Yeah. I didn't know that. And they'd be braided or whatever. Have you ever seen pictures of like parliament, English parliament? And they'll wear them?

I mean, I feel like I've seen that. But I didn't know that I didn't realize they were powder. It's really weird that men were into that. You know what's weird, though? If you had syphilis, you were just screwed, huh? How did it go away back then? It didn't? I don't think it went away.

Wow. Like, suffered through it until it, like, took you out. What does it say? Yeah, so the wigs were made out of human hair, horse hair, and goat hair. Depending on how rich you were. I suppose. Goat hair was, was like, cheap. And horse hair.

Yack hair as well. Yack hair. Wow. And then they put powder all over it. It doesn't look like you had powder all over. They look like they're white, yeah. Yeah, but that's because there were paintings. They didn't have your picture, but it was powder.

I guess that's a good point. Yeah. You want to know what's a weird trend that they did in Japan? I think it's Japan. The women would blacken their teeth. Did you guys love? Oh, yeah, that's true. Wow, it was like charcoal or what?

I don't know what they would use, but because you'll still see old paintings. Because they use charcoal to brush your teeth back. No, no, no, no. This was like they would stain their teeth black. And this is like wealthy women would do this. that is weird I just picture it I'm like that will look dysfunctional

yeah no and you can see old Japanese paintings with these what was the theory on I don't know exactly other than to signal wealth right what was it was a jack okay so here we go it was called how do you say that Doug

ohagudo goodo okay ohagudo it was a Japanese cosmetic custom primarily practiced from the heyon that's a long time it was practiced for

so be from 794 to 8 to wow 1868 periods where women and some men dyed their teeth black using a solution of iron fillings and vinegar. It signified beauty, maturity, marital status, and social status, also acting as a dental sealant to prevent tooth decay. Wow. Huh.

Isn't it? Look at that. And you'll see pictures of, or paintings. I've never heard of that. Black teeth, though. Yeah. That doesn't look that good. Yeah, see, look.

See right there. Wow. Looks like you don't have teeth. Yeah. Dude, people are weird, dude. So blades of grass up your butt's not that big of you. I, apparently, it's, you know, part for the course. Yeah, see.

That's kind of, that's fascinating. I know. Where did you come across that one? I read it a long time ago. Japanese culture to me has always been very interesting. That's what Doug and I have talked about this before. Did you know that one, Doug? I'd heard it before.

Oh, so you did. Okay. So Doug and I have talked about this before because when we started maps, which we still haven't done, we said, there was a number. We said, once we hit this number, we never did. We never went to Japan. But I've always wanted to go. I'm sure you passed that number.

Way passed. Oh, yeah, long time. Do you guys remember what the number was? Yeah, I do. Oh, no, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We passed it. Of course.

No, no. That's hilarious. Yeah, but, but. I'm still waiting. I want to, Japan has always been an interesting culture to me because they did judo. I find it fascinating. I love the culture. I love how polite.

Yeah. They are not to watch a sumo match. I love the, uh, I think the food is interesting. I always want to go to sumo match. I want to go to judo. You've done it. You know, the sumo match when they come over here is really cool. I know.

I know it's obviously not, you know, there or whatever about that. but that was like really cool. Sumo wrestlers over there are like major sumo match over here. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's fun. They're major celebrities over there, and I think they have like a big celebration

we turn 40, if I'm not mistaken. It's like a huge birthday. It's like crazy to watch the amount of food they can consume. Yeah. In one city. Yeah, really? Where'd you see that?

I've seen the videos. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. It's a lot. That's insane. What does it say about us every time we do this all the time. You know that? You and Doug started it.

Maybe it's your fault. What? Well, there are, there's been a lot of milestones that we said we were going to do a thing. Oh, we just bypasses. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think we've ever followed through. I don't think I've written any of these.

I think some of them are good to skip. Yeah. There's a couple of them are glad we didn't do. We don't need to go any further. Yeah, there's a couple of crazy ones. We don't talk about it. Maybe that's probably why we didn't do those, those. But there's been a lot.

There's been a lot of other ones besides that, like, of traveling somewhere or buy this thing or do a thing. Like, we've set a lot of milestones. and I don't think we've done any of them. None of them. So what does that say? We're busy. I think we just, yeah. I don't know.

We just keep going. Keep moving. A trip to Japan would take, we'd have to go for at least two weeks. That's why. I think 10 days you can do a lot. Have you done Singapore? I have.

You know, you've done Singapore? Long, long time ago. You know, there's one of us in here that would stop the Japanese trip because it takes too long away from the business. Pretty sure everybody else would be okay with that. I think we could work 10 days. out.

There's one of us. One of us has a problem. Every time I take a day off, this guy used to be off. Hey, speaking of eating a lot, dude, I had to go up a size in Viori pants. Oh, bro.

Are you of the double XLs now there? No, the pants, pants. So I wear the double XL. Not these, not these, the, which ones are the ones that look like slacks? Is that what we're? Meta's. Meta.

Yeah, so I'm wearing. Love meta. I usually wear 34, and it fits my waist, but my wife's, my, my wife's, making fun of me because they're too tight around my legs. Yeah. So I went and got 36es. So we'll see.

Yeah. But the legs are a little tight. There's the same size as you could do instead of. Shut up. Just to get smaller. So that cardio is really coming into the... How's those cardio weeks going to? It's only, hey, I just started it, you guys.

Give it some time. This is this week again, right? Yeah. So last week, so I'll just be straight up. So this is just, it's obviously a struggle. It's a small step forward for me. But there's, you know, on the cardio weeks, I'll still touch the weights a tiny bit because I'll

You still haven't done that? Just the tiny bit. Bro! It's just the tiny bit. Jessica, do you come on to get on this guy. Shame him way more. No, no, no, no. Listen.

You got like ankle weights? No, I'll do like a couple sets. Dude, you are hilarious. I know. Okay, got you. It sucks. But anyway, I'm just, just cardio. Just cardio.

And then the other week is just strength training. It's actually making the strength training weeks really enjoyable because I miss it. And I don't not like walking on the treadmill. I love listening to both. Yeah, yeah. Really enjoy hosting the books. Well, the part to me that's interesting to me is that you allow yourself to still do this little thing where it's just like, why not just rip the Band-Aid all the way off? I'm not.

I mean, wouldn't that be the part that makes- It sounds so logical. I know, I know. But I mean, like, that wouldn't that be what you would at least-coach someone to do? No, no, no, no. No, I know you. I'll just keep, I'll just keep-keeping my own. So how do you do this?

So when I set goals, whether nutrition, exercise goals with that. Like, so in my head, and I'm just curious of how you frame it for yourself, like, it's not a successful week in a week until I've done that. Until I've proven I can just do cardio, no weight, nothing like that. Do you say that to yourself or are you more like, like, this is, I'm easing my way into this train. That's a good job. And like, so is this like, how do, what's the self-talk through that process? I want, I want to be able to do it in a way. I'm not, listen, here's you, I'm trying, I'm taking small steps because I think if I take too big,

which is actually still a big step for me, okay? Well, obviously. Just doing a few sets, you know, a few times a week. Has it been scaling down though? Way down. Way down. Because on the weeks I do cardio, I'll do maybe for the whole week a grand total of six sets. That's not even one workout for me.

That's like a quarter of a workout normally. So it's still a big scale down and it's early. I'm early in it. I'm just taking it one little step at a time because I think I know this I know this about myself. If I go too far, I'll revert back and bounce back. So I mean, so again, so is that like the goal like, okay, I'm still progressing. Next week, maybe I'll try even less sets or no sets. Are you saying that to yourself?

Yeah. What I'm trying, what I'm doing is I'm actually really starting to enjoy the weeks that I don't lift that much and just listen to a book. So I think the more I do that, the more I enjoy it, then the less I should be able to do. is what I think. But we'll see, dude. We'll see. It's a son of a gun, man. It's a, everybody has their thing.

This is mine. This is mine, dude. Yeah, no, it's, it's really making me, I'll tell you what, dude. It makes me so empathetic to when we have callers who have challenges around nutrition and workouts. It's like, man, I get it, dude. It's a weird, strange. Everybody has their thing. Some people, it's, you know, things that are like real obvious, alcohol, drugs, whatever.

fitness is a good thing so it can be even harder to tackle because it's supposed to be a good thing, right? It's like a work addiction. Work is a good thing. What do you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but I totally get it.

So when I talk to people, I'm like, all right. And I've been coaching people like this for a long time, but we'll take one little step at a time because you push too hard, either yourself or someone else, you just go in the opposite direction. Now, do you consider this connected also with the nutrition piece Are you handling those separately?

Are you trying to handle those at the same time? Oh, you know, diet has never been a huge big thing. I'm not stuffing myself. So I'm not like trying to eat a ton of food. I just have a high appetite. So that's not an issue. That's not going to be a problem for me. It's the workout.

The big thing is the workout. It's the lifting, you know. I got to go lift. I got to get a pump. Okay. So you're not trying to like, you know what? I need to really also probably cut back on some calories. too. No, I mean, not really. That's not really a big thing for me. It's the workouts for sure. I can change

a diet all day long. You know, it'll happen if I change the diet. I'll just try to get shredded. Well, I mean, I almost feel like if you don't, you're just going to keep, because this break, I don't think it's going to revert in any less muscle at all. I think you're going to just get more muscle. If you keep your eating the way it's eating, you're eating right now and you scale back over there. Well, here's a deal here. If I do this to try to get smaller, it's not going to work. I have to have to do this to break the cycle and enjoy it, and then the side effect will probably be less muscle. But if I'm trying to force this result,

I could. That's where I don't agree. I think you're going to, I think you're going to build more muscle. I mean, okay, so it's like somebody who's like, I really want to, you know, I really want to get in shape. And what do we do? You know, I'm really concerned about the way I look. And we just say, look, just try to chase performance.

And then let's see how you look. Yeah, yeah. So if I just go and try to kind of break the cycle, break the addiction a little bit, break the connection. Yeah. Then however I look is however I look. But if I'm like, I'm going to make myself lose muscle, you know how easily I could twist that into getting shredded? Then it becomes a like, I'm going to get down to 4% body fat type of thing. Yeah.

So, and I know myself. Yeah, that's interesting. I know. That's interesting. Pay on the butt. Well, we have, today's a big day too. I get Corinne's Dexas scan since we started. Oh.

Yeah. All right. So I'm really interesting. What do you think? You know, her calories, she's increased them quite a bit. Oh, yeah, a lot. So this is what, this is what will, I wish that I was out there with her right now because I'd want to communicate to her.

And so she'll get to listen to this afterwards, no matter what, is no matter what the results are, I'm already happy with where we're at. So I'm praying that they come back and they don't alarm her in any way, right? Because no matter what, I knew I wanted to go here. And because last week was a tough week heading into this week. And, you know, one of the things that we, you know, we saw a new number on the scale again that we've never seen. And one of the things I let her know, I said, hey, just so you know, you're heading in the Dexa, I actually had already, before when we first started this, I had a number in my head I wanted to push you all the way up to. And you're still under that.

And so, and she was like, oh, wow, really. And I'm like, yeah. I said, so you're doing great. She's inspiring me, dude. Yeah, she's, she's very courageous. I've been so, you know, impressed with all the things that she's juggling right now, too. She does a lot for the business and she's got a lot of stuff going on and, you know, moving all the way across the country to be over here. And then to also be doing this is like, she's very strong, very, very strong and tough.

And we have not, I anticipated a lot more hard conversations that we would have to have and sort of. And like, okay, like, let's get back on the horse type of conversation. She's been like, whatever I tell her, she's, and I've really, and I've continued, like, just keep challenging or challenging her. And I keep waiting for her to, like, have that kind of, like, okay, it's okay. Let's, we'll go, but she's been. She looks so healthy too. She looks so good. Very fit, very healthy.

She looks so good right now. And everybody keeps coming up and telling me, I'm like, you should tell her that because I don't know if you're telling her that because I think so, too. She does need to hear that. I'm trying not to say anything about her appearance because I know other people aren't. I don't want to add more focus on, you know, how she looks. Yeah. But I see that she's strong. That's, you know, it's...

And she's inspiring me. That's what I'm communicating to her because really she was one of the, you know... There's a lot of things that have inspired me. But to see her do that, it's like, okay, I got to, I got to tackle this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I'm curious. So my guess is, I mean, I, you know, I hope we put on a solid four, maybe five pounds of muscle, you know, would be really... And how long?

It's been, what would you, what would you say? What was your last desk? I mean, I'll know when I see the dates, but I don't know. Was it 45 days? That sounds about right. Sounds about right. It sounds about right. It sounds where we're around there. Man, that'd be great.

Yeah, yeah, I think, I think so. You got to know right away that there's a, I mean, you jumped the calories. We've jumped. There's a lot of water going on right now, right? So with this actual scale. But, yeah, I think we could have put four pounds of muscle on by that time. I mean, she's, I mean, she's, He's hit PR after PR after PR.

Yeah. And so, and, you know, so this is good to talk about because, you know, what if it didn't come back that? What if it doesn't come back? We've only put one pound of muscle on or something. She still has to go to the street. Right. Exactly. And we talk about this on the show a lot, too, because it comes in with these weird waves.

Like sometimes it's, then all of a sudden, two weeks will go by and she'll put on four or five pounds. It's not like you add like this perfect, there's this perfect mathematical equation of like being a calorie surplus. A quarter pound every three days or whatever. Yeah, yeah. But we know we're doing the right things because she's hitting PR. She's strong in her workout. She's like muscle bellies are getting filled out. Like all is good.

But I hope for the sake, for the psychological part as she's going building and doing this, that she gets to see great results. Does she get her hormones tested? I would be surprised if her hormones didn't just get more optimized from feeding herself. You know what? I'll ask her the last time she did. blood work. We didn't do blood work together. So, but that, God, I wish I... Because hormones are so strongly affected by,

if you're constantly trying to eat minimal or, you know, in a deficit, that'll make your hormones not look... Well, even without seeing the blood work, I think that's a testament to why we're hitting PRs and everything right there. For sure. You know what I'm saying? That's part of it. Yeah. So part of it is like... You ain't going to build a bunch of... Get really strong and have your hormone profile get worse. Right. Right. It almost all.

Always is getting better. Which, again, back to circling back. Like, what could happen is we don't see as much muscle as I would have liked of, which would mean that the scale is going to read higher body fat percentage and things like that that would normally spend somebody out. And why I'm saying is like, that still wouldn't even spend me out as a coach. It's that these things are starting to organize and get better. And the even more positive results could end up piling on down the road, which just highlights

again how this happens to people sometimes where they can get. it really discourage is like, you know, you're doing the work, you're putting it in, your body's just starting to get healthy, and then you go test again to see where you're at, and then you don't see the results that you want, and you're like, oh, F this, it's not working. It's like, no, you were just starting to really. And so I, and this is really common with, especially my female clients that I've trained before, is like, you know, we first have to really feed that body and get healthy, and then it'll start doing the things you want, i.e., burning body, fat, building muscle,

all of things. Yeah, it becomes easier. And so, you know, don't bail just because your first test isn't amazing or whatever like that. But I feel pretty good. I think we're going to, I mean, from what I see from the way she looks and what I'm seeing her do PR-wise.

And she's doing it right now, the Dexter? Yeah, yeah. So we'll find out. Yeah, like literally. Oh, cool. Yeah, we'll know. You should do a story about it. Yeah. I mean, well, we'll see. Like, no matter what, we'll obviously, I'll talk about it. And I'm sure she'll talk about it. But I'm excited to see what kind of progress. Speaking of hard work, Justin, I know you did something this weekend.

Yeah. So what was that picture? You missed the whole detail. Yeah. Well, so I'm trying to list my house and there's some things that I just was coerced into doing. So that way, too, we could kind of maximize the potential and I could like, you know, get more profit out of this and do some of the work myself. So what are you doing? Dude, so, so you know, whenever you get your septic inspected, you need to dig it out.

Oh, I don't know. Okay, so. He doesn't know any of this stuff. Yeah, I'm going to educate you here. That's where the poop goes, right? Yeah, the poop goes in the tanks. Okay. So there's lids, and there, like, mine had, like, one was, like, six foot down.

The other was, like, four foot. And the thing is, you base this off of a plan, which is, like, drawn up. It was, like, hand-drawn. you can go to like city records all this kind of stuff and we're trying to find like better plans for this and like there's literally just like a hand drawn like here's a box like arbitrary box here there's no like measurements to go off of based off of like where the house is in proximity to the drainage to this so it's like a treasure hunt is like a treasure hunt dude is exactly what you did you flip that in your head like that to make it a pop that I didn't even think about I didn't think of the treasure. I didn't think of the treasure. I was not, didn't feel like a treasure like you have a crappy map. You gotta go find the treasure, dude. Yeah, X marks the spot.

I bet somebody wishes that they, I bet he wishes that someone would have framed it that way. So, like, let's have some fun with this, kids. And I'm like, my whole thing before I even got started, I'm like, these, these guys, like, obviously they're deferring because they charge, like, premiums to come dig. And I was like, that's absurd how much money they're trying to charge to just dig this out. I'm like, fine, well, you know, fine, we'll do it.

And now I know why they charge like premiums. Like, because it's, you don't know. Like, and I'm like, they have to have some kind of like hack or whatever. And I'm trying to like ask around.

Nobody's helped me out. So the first day, we're just digging, you know, like, okay, based off of this, I'm like trying to,

you just start digging. Start digging. And then I look, I'm like, a smart contractor would probably have like written like on the house somewhere. Like, you know, it directionally like this distance away.

Like, or, you know, like, so I was looking on, you know, the post that was like holding up our deck and I'm like I saw some

numbers on there I'm like oh maybe this is it you guys and like we're going off of this theory and it led us nowhere you know absolutely nowhere and like I'll show you picks but like we literally started in one place had to go all the way over here combined both of it went

deeper like I have there's layers I hit all kinds of different piping just shovels oh my gosh it's in our Group thread. I don't have... I saw the picture. So we don't... So here's the thing. Like, this was all low tech, like, everything, because I can't fit heavy machinery in my backyard. There's, like, no real, like, access point. Like, I would love to have had, like, little cats, you know, I could have rented and, you know, dug it out and had fun with it. Uh, but no, so I was doing that. I literally felt like chain gang. And we were like, we were digging. I had, like, a little, like, head lamp on. And we were digging until it was like eight o'clock at night the first day. And I was like just completely beat.

And it's weird, dude. Like, I have this weird. Whenever my body gets, like, overworked, I switches into this, like, adrenaline response. And so I woke up just, like, energized, crazy. Get back after it. We're digging again. And we have to then now, we have to get rid of these, like, huge redwood stumps.

And so I'm like, well, I have a guy I know that was like a friend of mine. And he's, he actually works at the wood shop. He teaches wood shop at the local high school and also used to be a lumberjack. And I'm like, well, this guy can help me out. You know, and so it, you know, costs a bunch of thousands of dollars to get rid of all this stuff. And he's like, oh, dude, just give me a couple hundred bucks. I'm like, dude, rad.

Come on. He comes down. He has this huge chainsaw that was like for me to you, like, like blade wise. And I'm helping him kind of like move these huge rounds and lift it. And we're like up substantial height, you know, like 10, 12 feet up. And we're just, we're saw in these like, like hundreds of pounds rounds. Wow. And I'm trying to chuck it.

So it doesn't roll all the way down the hill and like go into my, my neighbor's, like, house. So we're trying to stabilize it. And anyways, like, it was just, it was madness. It was crazy, like the work we were doing. And like, I ended up, like, losing control of one of them. and it like went over the side and actually smashed my fence and like broke the fence. So I got to fix the fence. And so we're,

we, anyway, he left, he had to go. And so I had to get rid of these rounds. So the only thing I have was like, I had a mall like an ax mall. I don't have like a working chains.

I borrowed for my dad. And I'm trying to like get through it. And it, he gives me one that's just like totally shot. And I'm like trying to look how to fix it. I'm like, the kids are like really involved digging. and chopping and like moving and like hauling.

And so it, the benefit of all of this stuff and it just, I could go on and on, but it was like, it was just mad, crazy, hard, grueling work. I haven't done that. And I can't tell you how long it's been. And it just reminds you like, oh, my God, this is like where I started. And then I just knew, like, I can't like sustain this. Like, this was unsustainable, you know. And the kids have never done anything that hard.

So they were like, yeah, like they're getting like amped about it, taking their shirts off. They're like, you know, hitting as hard as they can get nowhere, you know. Dad, look what I did. Like, yeah, buddy, yeah. Every now and they get one. Actually, Ethan, he's got a little more mass. So he was like, you know, getting through whatever, it was getting frustrated because he's, I'm like, dude, you're, you're shredded. You don't have mass yet, you know, that's, it's going to be different.

Trust me. But he was doing a great job digging. Did you find it? So we found one lid. We didn't find the other one. So that's still, you know, up in the air. I have like four rounds left. We split like 12 rounds or so.

Bro, can I just say what a good friend you are? Because you didn't ask Adam, I or Doug to help you. I know better, dude. I know better. You know what I mean? Because I'd be like, oh, I got to go help Justin. But you didn't. You know what a nice guy.

Dude, the worst part is I go like I borrow things from people. and it's just been the same process. Like, I should just bought it. Like, I end up getting, like, faulty things. And then it, like, takes away from, like, daylight. Like, daylight is, is the, the currency. Like, I needed more, I needed one more day to really complete and finish. So we're going to have to delay the pictures because my backyard looks like a war zone.

It's just sawdust. Like, you guys would have died, dude. I was, like, stabilizing. And my friend was cutting. And, like, so, because it's such a big saw, like, the, amount of volume of sawdust was just Bukaki my face It was just

It was insane, dude I was so dirty and just like just And I loved it, dude This weird part of me, I just loved it And Dylan's back there left You're sadistic bro Yeah, but now I'm, you know, now I'm like, oh my God, I'm so exhausted. I would have I would have

How much money did you save? Yeah, 10 grand Yeah, it better be It better be on the 2030 range. Oh, you think 2030? I think so. No. Dude, come on. Okay.

I saw the work, but there's like 10. It's probably 10 for just the removal of these huge trees. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. And then it's at least five to six for like the digging part. So yeah. You're right.

It's probably less than I was hoping. Worth it? For the lesson to give, again, I'm reframing this. Yeah, you have to. I have to reframe this. This is, I wanted them to, you know, I'm always looking for opportunity for them. Yeah, having two, 100%. Having two boys, even, even I would probably consider something like this, just for that.

Have two teenage boys. This is a good lesson. I don't want to do this. I can afford to go pay someone to this, but I'm going to go do this because it's a, I think I could see my, I would do that. I would do that. And I kind of did that as I was going, because I was like very tempted to just like call some people. I'm just like, dude, we need some. We need some.

And then if I didn't have boy, or if I had to do that, like, right now, because my boy's too little to do anything that, so like that. I would call you guys. And I'd tell you, listen, this thing's going to cost me this much. I need you guys. Because then I know Sal would just cut a check. So fast. How much is it? I'd be like, hey, I'd be like, hey, I'd love you, bro. Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you were smart, you would have framed like, you'd be like, hey, guys, trying to save about 10 grand. I got to, how much do you say, bro? Yeah, yeah. Here's the money. It was like, I really need your help. You know, I never ask you anything like that. So then Sal would feel hell of guilty. He asked you and he's like, hey, bro, you'll tell you what, you'll tell you how much it is. I'm going to pay something. 100%. That's the move.

That is the move. That's brutal, dude. I bet you were sore. So sore. But then I got up and I sprung. It was so weird, dude. I can't even, like, explain it completely because it was just like I have this bolt of energy. Even right now I'm like very energetic.

I think it's all going to go away real soon. This is where I wish you wore. or like aura rings and things like that because it'd be kind of cool to like see one what you burn do that yeah it's crazy how hard you slept because of that I mean you felt it I think that's why because I slept deep and hard yeah deep and hard and that's the other thing too it's like you always like I do have two modes you know and like I really like hard fucking work like I want to do something really hard otherwise I'm like eh like you know the maintenance stuff is like so unmotivating. I've been on this like sleep journey thing. Part of my theory on like the sleep

routine, all the stuff like that, why I think it's become, because it never felt like it was that important to me before. And we've, you know, we've kind of gone back and forth. Is that just because we were young, resilient? I also think there's another layer to that. And Justin's touching on it right now that the amount that I used to physically exhaust my mind, even like a good, hard workout today is still nothing compared to what it was in my mid-20s or even like, yeah, like, I would not only train hard, I was moving heavy stuff all day. Like, you even like, you just. And being in the sun.

Yeah, physically exhausted myself on a more, sunny. On a more regular basis. And I think that has a lot to do, because I've already connected already. Like, man, I got to do at least that 8,000, steps and I need to get that good hard workout in to even think I'm going to get close to decent sleep. If I don't do that. And so I think a lot has to be with, like, I, That's part of why I'm not and is tough to get it.

I bet you if I did something like that with you, I would be just... You know, you know, it messes me up. Just sleep. Planes. If I'm on a plane, even for an hour, oh, I just feel like crap. Yeah. I don't know why. But what's his name? Scott, when we talked to Scott, he said, I guess the oxygen concentration on the planes is really low.

And so he explained that. I don't know. I mean, I hold... I am still right now. Last night, I couldn't even get my aura ring off because of how much water I was holding from flying. When I fly, I definitely get all. And that's how I can tell is my orring. Did you try the compression stocks?

I did you compressions? Jesus. His long compresses. Verco's face. Hey, Doug, I got to ask you, you were the first one out of us to do the appointment with Vita Bella. Oh, you did yours. Yeah. How to go?

It went well. Yeah. I mean, I spoke to the medical professional. And basically, I was just kidding some of the things. already had. Yeah. And that was on, I think, the 19th is when I had that. So the reviews are coming in from people who are going through them.

And they're all good reviews. Like super good service. So was it fast, easy? It was super fast. So, of course, I kind of knew what I needed and wanted. I already had my labs. And so it was 19th, which was a Thursday. And everything was shipped out right afterwards and arrived on Tuesday.

Wow. That place. Wow. By the way, that's a nice change. By the time this goes live, California should be all set now. Oh. Yeah. So you can go to MP Hormones.com and get set up.

And then you'll be able to do California. Yeah. So California. I mean, and by the way, like he had to move, you know, heaven and earth to try and get all the good, get through all the red tape of California. I mean, this is why obviously he did before, but did it just because of our show

and because we have such a large listener base in California. So just for people to know, what is it monthly? It's like 109, 147? 139. It's 139. That includes your testosterone, whether you're a man or a woman, so your testosterone replacement or in clomophine or B12 shots. And then if you prepay for the year, you save 10%.

10%, and then they'll give you your first lab panel for hooked up in there. And even if you don't do the prepay for the year, so you prepay, you save that money. Even if you just go to the monthly, their blood panels are only $89. That's it. Yeah. And if you have already done blood panels within the last. last six months, they can use those. Right.

So you don't have to do new ones. No, yeah. Super, super, super nice. Doug, are we going to get you on testosterone finally or just keep sticking? I mean, I don't see a reason to do it unless you convince my. That's true. You're not curious about what 205 Doug looks like? I'm curious for sure.

I mean, I think I would love it, you know. But again, I'm also not wanting to interrupt my own production. He's got like, he's got like high TRT natural level. Now, have you told yourself if it went? Like, let's say in the next eight years, it were to dip down. Would you then? Yeah, totally consider it. For sure.

He could go down to half and he'd have high testosterone. I know. That's what I mean, though. What if it was, because you know, you've monitored now consistently for a long time. Half would make, if he went down half, he would feel like lower. He would feel it. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, last blood test was like 1600.

That's his total, dude. And, uh, in my, I can't remember my free was. Good, too, right? My free was good, too. Yeah. Yeah. That was my big concern. I was really working to get my free up.

Yeah. And so as of now, I do feel good. I mean, I'm not getting as Jack maybe as I potentially could if I was taking. Are you just horny all the time with that much testosterone? Do you really want to know? No. I can only imagine. I'm not, no.

I took a turn. Remember for his birthday? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember he was talking about nice things about Doug? He's such a great love. His girlfriend. Everyone said such nice things about Doug. He's a great man.

The good father is, and it gets to her. She's like, he's a great lover. Oh, my God. Okay. It could be worse things, I guess. Exactly. They're good of a worse things. I mean, if you're a dude, I mean, that's kind of not the bad thing for you get around here.

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I know you guys hear that all the time, but, you know, there was kind of a screenshot of like in 2022, I was like in the throes of active addiction and alcoholism. And God came in, Jesus came and saved me out of that. And ever since then, my life has just gone in the right direction. And I appreciate you guys having rock recovery on and stuff like that because it ties together like this faith fellowship type of vibe that you guys have, which I think separates you from, you know, any other, you know, podcast out there that that speaks about fitness. So I really appreciate that. Thanks, man.

Thank you, great God. Yeah. That's awesome. How can we help you, brother? Awesome. So right now, so I'm working out with, he's actually the pastor of my, uh, he's actually the pastor of my, uh, of my church. We work out at my house in the mornings.

I have a little gym set up. I have a squat rack. I have a, it's all Olympic, like, proper year. A dip bar. Anyway, so we're doing, you gave me strong last time I was on, so I really appreciate that. So we do strong in the wintertime to bulk.

And then we do, um, anabolic in the fall. And then we do aesthetic. in the spring into the summer. Okay. So my question is like where do I go to kind of fill in that gap

between the three like there's kind of looking at it like almost quarterly like knock out, run this program, run this program, run this program, which one should I squeeze in there now to kind of fulfill, like close the circle? Cemetery or performance. That's it. Cemetery or performance.

Either one of those would be perfect. Perfect additions. They would be very complimentary. What you have with Strong, Strong's got some decent functionality, but it is somewhat sagittal plane focused. MAPS-Ambalic, very sagittal plane, aesthetic, very bodybuilder focused. And so symmetry or performance would help fill the gaps. It would help with lateral stability, unilateral strength.

It would really help bolster your joints. So if you want more of an athletic lean, you would go with performance. if you want more still kind of that strength training bodybuilding lean then you would go symmetry but either one of them would be a great addition so you you pick I'll say to which one you want bro yeah the symmetry would be awesome I really appreciate that um yeah you know the the whole um program like has really given me a lot of like not in my life it's given me the structure that I I was lacking. I feel like the maps programs give that structure and that the videos and all those

things. So, you know, you guys do a great job. And I truly appreciate all that you guys do. Yeah, Charles. I'm reading your question too here. It says you gained 15 pounds of muscle using MAPS strong.

Tell me about that. Yeah. Yeah. So I went from a so strong, I really bulked. I was using a lot of whole foods, tons of protein, tons of carbs and protein calories.

And then I went from, I was like on a bench. Like I was benching like I could do 225 like three times. And then after strong, I was knocking it out for like 10 or 12. That's great, dude. Wow. You know, yeah. It's like I used to always do the bro workout. So like I go to the gym and they'd be like, let me guess, buys and chest.

And now because of like, you know, the programs I have really like well around. It's well round in me. in my fitness journey. That's awesome. Yeah, so symmetry sounds great. That's like a, bro, that year of programming is such a beautiful mix of training. You're set. Yeah, yeah.

You get really good results with that combination. Yeah, for sure. Awesome. Well, I appreciate you guys on me on. Thank you so much for everything you guys do again. And I'll look out for symmetry and then I'll get working on that. and I'll let you know how it goes. You got it, man.

Appreciate you, Charles. Yeah, I appreciate you calling him, brother. It's updated, man. Thank you, dude. Awesome. Thanks, guys. Take you down to. That's great.

Oh, that's a lot of strength of muscle. Especially, I mean, he's not a 20-year-old kid who just started lifting. You know, probably been lifted most of his life and to. And by the way, when you, I mean, he said a little bit on his question, but when I, he sends in an email. So people send an email and you can read, you know, as I'm reading his email, I mean, he's a recovering addict. Yeah.

He had a really bad, um, uh, uh, uh, he had a really bad, uh, uh, issues with alcohol and now here he is like working out sober turned it all around you know he's got a strong faith um just incredible transformation um and i just want to you know give a fitness is such a great vehicle yeah for yeah it's so it's such a great way to get to help someone move away from some you know some of those unhealthy addictions you could always do you know fitness wrong too but as a vehicle for improving your mental health uh for giving you discipline and structure, your physical health. Oh, it's the core of everything.

That's amazing. Yeah. Our next caller is Rob from New Jersey. What's up, Rob? How are you doing, Rob? What's up in? Hey, hey, guys. How's it going?

Good, man. How can we help you? Well, new location. I'm in Florida now. But anyway, thanks for taking the call. And I appreciate it. I listen to you guys every week. More than once a week, actually, probably every other day.

But I just wanted to, you know, you guys are the experts in this. And I know a couple of you guys did some physique competition. So I'll give you a little. background on myself and then what you know I'm looking for some advice on um always worked out my whole life except for like a three short year three year span when my wife got pregnant I decided to get pregnant with her about 20 years ago with my daughter uh so during that time it was the only time I was kind of a little out of shape but then got back into it again I got heavily into uh triathlons Iron Man distance I did a bunch of Iron Man a bunch of half Iron Man

about 40 marathons I don't know how many there were but I did all that kind of endurance sport activity until 2023. And at that time, I had a herniated disc. I went to get surgery and had some real major complications during surgery. It caused paralysis on my left leg, couldn't walk. I started to gain heavy recovery and a lot of rehab, worked my ass off for that, and was able to get most of the function back in my leg. and just have like weakness now in like the support muscles of the leg like the ankle area.

So if I run and I'm on an uneven surface, I could fall over. So I decided to obviously stop doing triathlon and marathons and got into physique training for, you know, shows. And I also on the side do Brazilian jiu-jitsu. I know I don't remember which one of you guys do it, but I know one of you guys do it. So I do that as well. I've been doing that for 20 years. I should be a black girl by now, but with all my injuries,

I stop a couple of times, so I'm a brown belt. And so I do that. And I'm training for shows. I did about six shows, and this is where my issue is. I am very tight on my diet, very, very discipline on my workouts.

I don't miss a day, probably even, I don't follow my own guidance to people because I do some personal training and coaching on the side myself. I never take any days off, but I take muscle parts off, muscle groups off. My diet's really tight for the shows. Last show, I went in with a really, really good package.

I was 2.8% body fat. I did it on three in-body machines. It was like 0.1 plus or minus. And I was 168 pounds. Offseason, I'm about 185. I have a coach. My coach, I had a coach in New Jersey when I was there. I'm trying to find a coach in Florida, which I think I found one.

He wants me to get up to like 200 pounds and get to like 185 for my next show. But my issue is I can't get out away from second place. I'm 51 and I'm in the, so I'm in the 50 and older group. I go down in the 40 and older group too, so I do both. And I do like usually a novice or an open or something like that. The last show I was in, I had a pretty stacked 40 in over group. It was like 15 guys in there. and I came in second, and then the 50 and older, I came in second again.

And the shows I did before that, I'm like, like, third, second, whatever, somewhere in that ballpark. My problem is, I think I'm fit. I had the fitness that the show is requiring, but I don't have the size. And I'm struggling with putting size on, and I have enough awareness to know that I have a little dysmorphia when it comes down to get a little belly fat when you're trying to put on size. But I just wanted to get your guys input on, you know, maybe I should change up my program. I guess every coach needs a coach, right? So maybe I should change my program.

Maybe I need to do something a little different with my diet. And I just wanted to get your insight on that. I have a lot of thoughts. First of all, taking second is incredible. Okay. So that's first and foremost amongst everything that you do, right? I mean, you're full-time work, kicking ass, jihitsu, and you still. have the ability to get up on stage and finish in the top five is impressive as shit.

Second, you have to know by now if you've been doing this enough times, there's a lot of politics and shows too. So it's not always the best physique technically takes first place. A lot of times it's the guy who's being coached by the guy who sponsors the show and gives the most money to make sure that show keeps operating. So there's a lot of bullshit in politics in bodybuilding. As you probably know, if you don't know, there is. So if, if, if, You're not part of the click. It's tough to take first place, no matter how great of a physique you present. So that all aside, because I do agree with your coach.

What I tell always all of my competitors, shows are one in the off season. What you bring to the stage, it isn't where it wins the show. That's what reveals the hard work from the off season. And so I do kind of agree with it, whether the poundage that he's saying is exactly right. But you've got to gain. got to, we, if we're going to show up with a bigger, especially if the judges, that's their feedback is, you're a little smaller than the other guy and we need to put. So, and that, and that is all done in the off season is can you put enough size on in the off season that when we get ready

to cut for the show, we have the biggest version of you to reveal. It's not done and it's not your cut. It's not a lack of your diet. It's not a lack of your discipline to get down to two, two, three percent, which you obviously can do all that. It's can you work through the mental part of putting on, and you're going to have to carry a little bit of body fat to put on that kind of size. Like, you can stay lean and putting 20 pounds of muscle on is nearly impossible. So you're going to have to eat to get big and most likely not move as much as you move in order to kind of put that size on. And that's where the show is one.

The show is one in what you can do in the off season to get ready for the next show. Or you kind of just keep kicking ass like you are too. I mean, if you're my client, you and I are having a little bit of this back and forth conversation, and I'm going, Rob, like, is it that important to win first? Like, if you want to really win first above all things, then then we start to shift your whole life around bodybuilding, and it starts thinking that way. But it sounds like you're pretty goddamn impressive

with everything that you already kind of do. And that was kind of my attitude on competing. It was like, I'm competitive as shit. Like, getting to the pro level was the big major accomplishment for me. I never placed above sixth place at the pro level. And I never cared enough because I have a career. was always about building that and have other things that were important to me. And I proved to myself that I could show up with a better package every single show.

And I've got a handful of trophies to show that. And it's cool. But it's like if I really wanted to make a career out of this and try and make it to Olympia or be first place as a pro, man, it's a lot of politics. It's a lot of sacrificing everything else in your life. And I don't know. Sounds like you're kicking ass pretty good, dude. So that's kind of all my thoughts. So I'd like to hear what you think from hearing that.

No, I appreciate that. I mean, look, I have a full-time job. This is definitely not my job. I'm an executive in a med tech company, so I'm traveling all over the place, and it's really tough, as you can imagine. I mean, you did show, so you know what it's like prepping and being out on hotels like every week, basically, and eating out and doing what you need to do. I'm weighing food in front of customers.

It's hysterical, but it actually makes for good conversation, too. But nevertheless, you know, my goal, because I'm obviously a very competitive, a person. I've been in competitions my whole life. I'm looking to get first so I could get a pro card. And I'm not going to an Olympia and I'm not looking to even probably go into a pro show. I just want to, you know,

get a pro card and that's my goal. Just like getting a black belt and jujitsu is the question that I have is do you think there's a program that I should be doing training differently than I'm training now? I guess food-wise. Yes, yes.

So like what, just hearing kind of your breakdown of who you are, like, and obviously if we were coaching, I would get even more detail. But I would probably have to scale back your amount of activity and volume and really feed you. So it looked more like a MAPS antabolic type of protocol, less days in the gym, hitting it hard and heavy when we do, trying to gain and build and more food. So I would push the calories and I'd have you on a program like a MAPS antibolic type of a program, which I bet is way less volume and days in the gym than you. It's a three-day-a-week full-body routine, and I bet you're more of a five-to-seven-day-a-week type of guy who trains and probably hour, hour and a half.

Yeah, and that's kind of seen counterintuitive because it's not a lack of you need to push more. You need to let your body grow. And in order to let your body grow, you probably got to pull back on the volume a little bit, focus on getting strong with MAPS enabolic, feed your body more food than it's ever been fed before. And that's the way we're going to get to the pro card. Rob, do you train naturally? Are you enhanced or you train naturally? no I'm natural

I'm not well that's the other problem I have yeah I take I take well I I wouldn't say natural totally I'm I I had very very low testosterone levels um when I was doing triathlon because I was a fanatic about eating fat so I just ate a lot of carbs

and protein and then I did I mean 20 plus hours a week on a bike and I think it kind of damaged my my goods down there a little bit and I had when I went to going to get my testosterone checked, it was 160. Yeah. So, so I was on, I've been on TRT since I was 35. Okay.

And regular levels. Like, I think I just got to test that I'm like 450, 480, something like that. So it's not like I'm pumping in 1,200 on my, my T, my test. But I go into these shows and these dudes are no question because I can't go into a natural show being on testosterone. These guys are definitely enhanced. Yeah, yeah. The reason why I ask you that, Rob, is, uh, you know, gaining, because, you know, if you go from, you compete at 168, to come back at 182, that's a lot of lean body mass to gain, which is tough to do with, you know, TRT levels of testosterone and your age and all that stuff.

Now, I do agree with Adam, reducing the volume, increasing calories. That's the, that's the protocol. Now, here's the other thing, though. You probably have an incredible recovery ability and tolerance considering your background. to be able to compete in as many Ironmans and half-marathon and half-iron-mans, for people aren't aware, an Iron Man is a marathon plus a lot of cycling, a lot of swimming. So to be able to do that as often as you did,

you probably have a really exceptional ability to recover. So the program that I think would do that you would do well with would be MAPS Antibolic Advanced. So it's higher than MAPS Antibolic. You're in the gym about four days a week. It alternates high intensity, low volume with higher volume, lower intensity. And I think someone like you would probably respond well to it. And it's probably, I can pretty much guarantee it's less volume than what you're currently doing.

So it's definitely going to affect the volume. It's not as low as a traditional MAPS andabolic, which might actually be too low a volume for someone like you. And bump the calories. And you'll know it's working because you're going to get stronger. But gaining 12 to 15 pounds of lean body mass at this stage, that's a big, that's a big, That's a big one. I think we could put on five to six pounds of lean body mass by the time you hit stage. It's just going to take us some time.

I'd be happy. It's going to take what you don't want to do, and I don't know if you've already done this or not, but like I tell my competitors, like, we don't pick a show yet. Like we go in the off season. Let's go build. Let's go. Let's go, folks. Because this could take three months, could take six months, could take nine months.

But let's agree that we're going to go build and put some size on you that you've never seen before. And then we're going to, then we'll nail down a show. What a mistake a lot of competitors do is, go, oh, this works in my calendar. I'm going to, I'm going to train. I'm going to take that show August 16th. And then you start trying to put it all together now.

It's like, no, let's go focus on your offseason. Let's go build. And that could, you know, depending on how well you can get dim calories up, how well you respond to maps, anabolic advance. That will dictate if I was coaching you on when we decided to take a show to get cut. What are your, what are your calories look like in the off season? So I'm supposed to be at 3,300 a day right now. And I'm barely getting in 2,500.

Yeah, no way. Just because my, I'm just like all over to that place. Yeah, you're not going to game. Everything I eat is clean as a whistle. Like, I don't change what I eat from prep to show. You just eat more. I mean, from prep to offseason, rather. I just eat more volume off season.

Yeah. Maybe I'll throw in like a couple of pretzels here or there, but I don't do anything like out of the ordinary. Maybe I'm a little bit tighter on the condiments too during prep. But overall, I'm just not getting enough calories in. And part of it is because you guys know how this is, man. You like, I get a little belly fat and I lose my mind. You know what I mean?

And I'm trying to put on some mass at the same time. And then I go to the gym and I'm like, all right, well, maybe I'll do more, 10 more minutes of stair mass just to make sure I don't put that belly fat on. In addition to my half hour that I did prior to my workout and cardio and then do my workout. And I do that every freaking day. So I might battle on this in my head. But mind you, when I give the advice like you're given to clients, I'd say the exact thing that you're saying.

So, would you want to coach? I mean, it sounds like you have one over there. We virtual coach over here. Do you think that would help having somebody who's kind of just staying on top of the diet and kind of steering it for you? I mean, yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't mind, especially somebody that's been doing this kind of stuff before that knows how to deal with, you know, somebody that has a little bit of a mental struggle like me with this. All right.

All right. We'll have somebody call you. But, you know, MAPS endabolic advanced, hit consistent calorie targets. You'll gain muscle on that. Yeah. For sure. But, I mean, 2,500 calories, a guy like you, you're just going to maintain. The hard part's going to be the mental part, Rob.

I can tell already. You're disciplined guy. You have the work ethic and all that stuff like that. It's going to be letting go the body fat percentage going up a little bit. You know you have the tools to get it back anytime you want. So you're not going to get fat. Okay. You're going to go up to 12, maybe 13.

you know, percent body fat. That's not crazy. You can get right back down easily. But that will bode well with building. If you're too lean, it's really hard to put on just lean body mass. Like you're, you got to let yourself soften up a little bit to put on some good size. And again, I don't know if I agreed exactly with the number of the guy threw at you, but the show's one in the off season.

Can you and I go and go put on, you know, 20 pounds on the scale, be okay with a couple percent body fat going up, but then look at each other and go like, oh yeah, you're eating 3,500 calories, you're strong. You see PRs in the gym. You're hitting like, that's what I'm looking for before you and I go, let's get ready for a cut for the show. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense.

I'll have someone call you and see if we can help you out through this process, and we'll also send over at anabolic advance for you, bro. That would be awesome, man. Thank you guys. You guys do great work. I appreciate it. Thank you, listen. Thanks, Rob.

Take it easy. So for people listening, because how many Iron Man did? He did five, he did five Iron Man's. I don't know, have you guys ever trained Iron Man athlete? Yeah. Okay. He did five Iron Man's 15 half. That's insane.

Iron Man's. Yeah. This is what an Iron Man competition is. I had to remember, I had to look it up just to be sure. It's a 2.4 mile swim. Yeah. Plus a 112, 112 mile bike ride. And then you'd run a marathon.

And then you run a marathon. That's the competition. A lot of chafing. Yeah. So, now, in order to be able to do all that, crazy training, consistency, diet. There's a level of genetics there. I think the guy probably recovers really, really well.

Yeah. Which is why I had him do something with higher volume. But I can guarantee you right now the amount of volume that he's probably training is probably insane. Oh, I knew. I knew right away. I can just tell. I mean, this is, I mean, he's also runs a, what, a Fortune 50 company. Yeah, yeah.

He's a killer in business. He's a killer on the jihitsu mat. I mean, without even see, because I can't see him, right? like we can't see a picture of what he looks like and stuff like that. I just know this dude is way overtrained, way overdoes all of it. And that's going to be the hardest part for him. I mean, telling him to come down to a MAPS antabolic or even an anabolic advance is going to feel like a quarter of the workouts that he does. Yep.

It's a nerving for it. Then telling him that he's at 2,500 calories, you need to be more like 3,500 plus calories. It's going to feel so extreme and different. But it's the only path. And again, a repeat. what I said to him, shows are one in the off-season. It is not the prep. It is not the getting ready for stage like everybody thinks.

It's what you build and what you do in the off-season. All the getting the prep is is revealing the work. You don't build no muscle in prep. You literally just carve away the body fat and you show what you did in the off-season. And if you always keep your body fat percentage low and you stay training this high of volume and your calories that low, you aren't building anything. You're maintaining a strong fit, ripped physique. So when you get into prep,

you just get a little bit leaner and you present the same physique. You just keep showing up the same. Same way. Yeah. Yeah. Our next caller is Lucy from Virginia. Hi, Lucy. Hi. Thank you guys so much for taking my call. I really appreciate it.

How can we help you? I think I have a programming question. Okay. Four months ago, November 2025, I had my third total hip replacement surgery. For reasons that are now very obvious to me, I was overdoing it with my yoga, and in May of 2025,

almost dislocated and ultimately ended up cracking my hip replacement during yoga class. Because the surgery was a repair of an existing replacement, they had to use posterior entry rather than anterior, which my first two were anterior. And with a posterior approach, my surgeon has me on a one-year limitation of movement, which would include no more than a 90-degree hip trunk to leg, angle, no crossing my legs, and no picking up anything over 20 pounds.

So starting in December, I ran your MAPS ban program all the way through and loved it. I'm now running MAPS suspension and also love that. Those are both perfect because I don't have to pick up anything over 20 pounds. but I'm still getting great resistance. I'm actually making progress. All right. Great job. I'm sore from yesterday.

But my next, my question is, what's next? I have until November, so about nine months of these limitations. Should I just cycle back and forth in between these two programs? Is there another program or style of programming that you would recommend like isometrics or maybe run a traditional program like anabolic with lightweights? For context, I will be 50 years old later this year, 5 foot 3, 120 pounds, and a former professional valerina runner and competitive yoga athlete, all of which led to the three total hip replacements. I promise I'm now off of all of that because I can't do it anymore, physically or mentally,

really. As you know, sometimes God whispers and sometimes she shouts. This was as loud of a shout as I possibly could. could have heard without doing any detrimental harm. So I'm so thankful. I was finally forced to listen. Any help would be great. You can shout at me now. No shouting. I thought you were in your 20s, by the way. We're all tripping out on that. So Lucy, so here's what's going to happen. If you do everything right, you're going to reach a point where you feel like you could start doing going way beyond and you're going to have to fight that because of the hip replacement. Keep your range of motion.

within the realms of what they recommend. And you can strengthen within there. And don't push outside of that. You could totally strengthen within there. I think Map Starter is a good program. And isometrics are also great. Our program map symmetry has two weeks of isometrics. The two weeks of isometrics, I think, would be beneficial even right now.

But Starter would be the next program that you totally do. You can also... Oh, sorry, Judge. Oh, sorry, yes. The Starter has, like, reps detention. So like really take advantage of that with the timing and the tempo and then emphasize those moments where you're squeezing at the top of the rep So you do can you can infuse a bit of more isometric focus in that program Because I know the weights are going to be a little lighter than you know because we got to keep it under control

That's the direction I was going to go actually with your original is should I just rotate to those two you can start to create isometrics in those two in the bands and the suspension trainer too So like nothing stops you from like hold like hold like whole. like let's say you're doing a suspension pushup, holding at the bottom for two or three seconds, or holding just with your elbows slightly bent. So you can kind of create to create like a new stimulus because you've already ran through it. The next time you run through it,

you can do things like that, and that'll help build strength also. So run it the way it's laid out, but then add an isometric component to each set, which would be a great way to kind of manipulate that program a little bit. So that's also an option. So you can play with the suspension and the bands also. I think starter is a great.

And like Sal said, that's the biggest key is going to be because at one point, you'll be cleared of like, hey, you're good to go. You're going to be tempted to want to do too much so long as you stay in that range of motion. And I've had clients where we don't squat past 90 degrees, but we've gotten really strong within that 90 degrees. And built a lot of great lower body muscle and feel great. And so, yeah, no, you're on the right track. Yeah, when you look at the, when you look at hip replacement, artificial hip, artificial joints, they're limited in the, range of motion. So it's different than what your natural hip would be. And so you probably have really good extensibility through your yoga, ballet. And so your tendency is going to be to challenge

ranges of motion because that's what you know. But these joints are not made to do that. What happens when you challenge the range of motion is now it rests on this artificial joint and they're just not made to be able to do that. And so regardless of how you feel, stay within, when it comes to the lower body, stay within the range of motion. And you'll do plenty great with that. You'll gain good strength. You'll feel good. You're not going to feel limited. But if you start to try to push the range of motion like you normally would, that's when you run into it. It's all about recruiting. So just think about that slow and just recruit as much, you know, muscle fiber and infuse that as much as possible. Do you have starter? I don't. No. I'll send that to you. Yeah. Thank you so much.

I should say also I'm working with Dr. Brink. Oh, wonderful. Awesome. Well, you're good. Yeah, you're in good hands. Like you said, for that very reason, because one year isn't some magical number, I assume. So it's not like at one year I'm all of a sudden now I'm able to squat to the floor. So he's helping me kind of get the PT part.

Good. Awesome. I was discharged from PT and I just wasn't ready. Yeah. So I wanted to work with him. And he's just great. I want everyone to work with him. He's the best.

You're in the best hands. I'm glad you are. Now that you're working with him, I'm like, just do what he tells us. Yeah, yeah. We'll go ahead and step out. Yeah. No, no, no. He's the best.

Not at all. No, I want all of you on my team. You've got all of us. I mean, he knows all the programs, too. So if you tell him that the guys gave me starter and you use that with what he's doing with you, you're good. You're in the best hands you can be. Totally.

So, in fact, I'd love to hear back from you a while. Let's check back in with us a few months. down the road. I'd love to hear where you're at. I will. Thank you. Um, for the isometrics, I seem to remember you guys talking about that they stop working after like two or three weeks. Is that, is there a reason to do the two weeks and then come back to it? No, no, no. So when we talk about that, what we're talking about are the strength gains are really rapid in two weeks, but you continue to get results from isometrics, especially when you put them in a program that includes traditional repetitions. Yeah. So it's not like there are a waste,

the time. They're great. But when we look at the data. It's just mentally challenging for people to do them for a long period of time. I think for the most part. Yeah. But isometrics are wonderful for you. Yeah. We'll always be wonderful for you. Yeah. You can progressively get more strength, you know, by continuing it for sure. Okay. Terrific. Well, I'm, everything right now is wonderful. So I'll do them, I'll do them for the next nine months. So as long as, yeah, this is a very, I'm trying to rebuild physically and mentally from this injury. So this is very, very, it's, yeah, so I'll use isometrics as long as they're productive. You're in great hands.

Okay. Great hands. Yeah. You got it. All right. All right. All right. Bye.

I wish he opened with them with Brink. He's better than we are. Yeah, he's a champion. Yeah, he's the best when it comes to this kind of stuff. But, you know, I've worked with people with hip replacements. And you have to, you look at the actual. product. Yeah. It's it's it is limited. Yeah, that's the limitation. And so you can't push beyond what it's made for like you would with a normal joint. Otherwise the the product itself

starts to become damaged and you start to get issues. Our next caller is Sarah from California. Hi, Sarah. Are you doing Sarah? Hi, hi guys. Oh my God, I'm so pumped to be talking to you. This is crazy. I'm so inspired by everything you've been doing. Like it's so clear how much you want to help people. So you guys have actually inspired me to go through the NASM certification and consider like a career change or a side gig and personal training down the line. So thank you so much for everything you do. Yeah. Thank you. How can we help you? Okay. So my question, I'll just read it here. So I've been working out since I was 14 when I got my first gym membership at a 24-hour fitness here in the

bay. I'm 43 now. I know that I'm a bit orthorexic and I definitely have an addiction to exercise, but I both look and feel great. I look better, I think, now, and I'm more fit now than when I was in my 20s or 30s, and I just never have felt like I looked the way that I'd do before. And I also just really love training and movement outside, running, cycling, hiking, walking, you name it. But I definitely overdo it.

So my question is, is this going to for sure bite me in the ass at some point? Or do you guys think that I continue as is, as long as I'm feeling great. And I guess I should also mention that I've been using a variety of peptides for several years, which I know helped me train better and recover better and faster. So I guess my hope is that the addition of these tools to my toolbox means I can do more and push a bit harder without the same repercussions. But I'm curious what you guys think and would love your thoughts.

Let's peer a little into what the training looks like, like how much training volume, are you tracking steps? Like, what's it looked like for a week? Yeah, I mean, it's like basically all of my free time. I'm training or, you know, a lot of it is outdoors, but five days a week I'm doing like an hour to an hour and a half. And strength training is pretty intense. And then like anywhere from three to five hours of just cycling or running or hiking,

like, it's a lot. I mean, when I say it out loud, it actually sounds totally ridiculous. But it's like, I love it too, you know? I just love being out. knowers that I just think mentally it helps my mental health a lot too and I just feel like I have a lot of my my best thoughts and ideas while I'm outside so there's that but there's also just a compulsion too right which I mean I love I love walking and hiking outside that's awesome cycling and running can be okay can get intense though really quickly so but hiking and walking

outside for mental clarity being outside I'm all pro that so yeah doing that uh straight training five days a week could be okay. But if you say it's really intense in an hour and a half, that's a lot. Yeah, that's overkill. Way overdoing it. So by the way you answer this question will help me determine if I can help with this. So why do you think there's some orthorexia or compulsion? Because I can't remember the last day.

I didn't do like at least a few hours of activity. And if I don't get that in. um like i don't feel normal okay how do and how do you feel about that um i mean right now i'm at a point in my life where it it's okay like i'm single right now so i don't have a partner i need to be giving time to i don't have kids um but like what if that you know what if that happens soon or i've switched jobs and i just literally can't do it i think i'm going to just feel awful and and And like that's that's not healthy, you know, to like not feel good or be freaked out on a day where I, you know, don't work out a lot. Like that's just, that's not healthy.

Like that's dependence. Yeah. So you feel like it's controlling you? Yeah, a little bit. And I think for a long time I really convinced myself, no, it's just that I love it. But I'm like, especially actually since I've been listening to you guys, I've kind of been realizing. Yeah. This isn't just that I love it.

Yeah. There's a little bit more to it. Good for you. Well, I do. That's what people continue to say. Look, I just, you know, forgive me for my brevity, but alcoholics love their alcohol. And so they say they like it. They enjoy it.

And I think you're getting a little bit of awareness that this thing is controlling you. But it doesn't sound like you're at the place where you can change it yet because you're also saying, I love it, I like it. It's like my favorite thing. I look great. I feel great. I feel great. But then you're like, it's controlling me. This may be an issue.

So, I mean, I could tell you from the outside, it definitely is an issue, and you're doing way too much. The question is, can you change it? Do you want to change it bad enough? Yeah, like to, yeah. That's right. Because eventually how you start this question is right. Eventually, you'll be forced to. It's going to bite you.

Eventually, hormonal bone stuff, you'll, that starts. Life is going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. And so the answer is, yes, eventually your body will force you to. it's a question of do you have the motivation to change it right now, especially when you like the way you look to like the way you feel and you say you enjoy all those things. That's to Sal's point, that's really tough to.

It really sucks to be forced to change it when something happens. That sucks. Yeah. To change it ahead of time is hard, but is way better. Yeah, it's better. Yeah, because what'll happen at some point is something's going to happen and you can't do all that stuff or something's going to happen physically or mentally. And then you're going to be like, oh, my God.

Some breaking. I have to, yeah, come out of it. But it could be a number of different things. But at some point, this thing that's controlling you, that you're kind of like, uh-oh, I think it's controlling me. At some point, you're going to be forced to have to make a decision. And then that's the worst, that's the hardest. That's hard when it's like in your face.

Where you're at now is actually an easier place to make those changes. So it really is up to how and you really have to talk about it in a way to yourself that's honest Because what I hear and I know I hear this because I talk this way, okay? Because I know what you feel like. Okay. You are me, okay? In this regard. I know.

I've heard a lot of. Yeah, yeah. As it's coming out of your mouth, you're trying to give yourself escape. Like, ooh, it's this thing that's controlling. But I love it. Ooh, it might not be so good for me. But I can do it. But I look good and I feel good.

And so it's like you're afraid to say to yourself, this is a problem and it needs to get fixed. Because if you say that, then you have to change it. So you're like, maybe not. So that's kind of where you're at with it right now. Well, are you at a place where you'd be open to even outsourcing it? In other words, hiring a coach to tell you what you need to do and then following it. And just doing what they tell you. Yeah, I mean, here's another thing.

Like, so I haven't always been as fit and looked as good. And so being at a point where I finally feel like I love my. body now and this was not always the case, you know? And so I've been through different iterations of my body. And so, you know, would I be willing to totally scale back on exercise? Yes, if I was able to like mostly keep the body that I now have. You absolutely can. You absolutely can. You'll get, you're not, you like, that would actually be. So if I was coaching, that's the easiest part. You've built the physique you like. And you're like, Adam, I like the way I look. It's like, cool. Let me show you a way easier way to maintain that look.

If anything, you'll improve. You will. It does not take five days, an hour and a half of training. Let me put it you this way. You look as fit as you do in spite of all the wrong stuff that you're doing. Right, right, right. And you're putting a lot of peptide bandages and stuff like that on it to keep the ball rolling. You'll actually look better.

Yeah. So if that's what you're afraid of, yeah, it's, don't worry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is what I'm afraid of for, for sure, right? because, like, I've been 25 pounds heavier and, like, didn't get looks or compliments.

And now I'm, like, I'm at the gym and I'm, like, that crazy chick who's, like, busting her ass, but I get complimented. You know, I get women complimenting me on my arms, which is awesome. And I used to hate my arms. So, like, if I can keep all that and do way less, yeah, I'm definitely, like, at a bigger. Sarah, yeah. Sarah, you're totally, you're totally south. Sarah, Sarah, listen.

No, I don't do it for comp. I get no calls. Salina. Sarah. That's why where's that wife beater in the gym on time? Sarah. It was like a wife's up. You changed the name of it recently.

Yeah, wife pleaser. Which sounds just as bad. Sarah, you're already a valuable person. Yeah. You're already worthwhile. Yeah. All that outside, whatever, is, it's meaningless. Yeah.

You're already worthwhile. You're already great. And you don't need all that. You really don't. In fact, it's keeping you trapped. But if you want, look, here's a deal, okay, because we'll answer your question. Are you going to like suddenly your body's going to change in a negative? No, it's not going to happen.

You'll get as great or better results with way less work. But I also don't want you to focus on that because that's also going to steer you in the wrong direction. So, I mean, a coach would really be helpful, but you've got to be in a place to where you're okay with that, where you're going to let go and be like, okay, this is really a problem I want to address. If you're not there yet, then it wouldn't help you.

Yeah. I think I'm in that, that contemplation stage of change still. But I'm, I feel like I'm getting closer to, to having a mindset of readiness. You know what you could do? Try this.

This is what I'm doing right now. So, because I've been on and off with this forever, sometimes better, sometimes worse. I, so I start. doing where every other week

I don't do any. So this is for me. This wouldn't look like it for you, but for me, every other week I do zero to no almost almost no strength training and I just do cardio, because that's the thing for me. Walking, he should say, he doesn't do cardio. I just do walking. Okay. So maybe it looks like this for you. Instead of what you do every single day, maybe it's like, okay, on Wednesday and Friday, I'm cutting it way down and then wait and then see what happens and then slowly step ladder yourself towards doing less. Maybe it's one day. Maybe it could be like, all right, Fridays instead of doing an hour and a half of strength training

and all this cardio, maybe it's like I'm going to do nothing or I'm going to just go for a hike or something like that and keep it light because you could also turn that into, you know, crazy. And just step ladder yourself. For me, it's every other week because that seems to be what I can do right now. how is your thought process and your mental health as you go through this he sucks at it so i don't know why he's not right now no no i just started it's a coach you need a coach yeah that's what i just started it and so this is week uh two so i'm just i just got into it but what helped me was on

the week i'm not strength training i'm listening to books that i'm really interested in so i look forward to that so i walk on the treadmill and i listen to a book because just doing nothing is too big a bite for me. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, so every other week I'm just, so maybe there's something else that you're really interested in that you really like to do, whether it's a book or you go, you know, it might, it's just something that's not exercise. And then because not doing something is hard, but doing something else from replace

of it is easier. So maybe it's, maybe it's yin yoga. Yin yoga would be great for someone. The hardest, the hardest part, Sarah, if I was coaching you, the hardest part is I'm, I'm going to tell you that I absolutely can keep the. body or even better if you wanted. But I also simultaneously need you to let go with that at the same time. That's the hard part.

So it's like I can, I can, I can guarantee you as the coach, I could say, hey, don't worry. I'll keep this body the way it is or maybe even improve it. But I also need you to just trust me and let it go while we do this. And so that part, that letting go process, that's the hard part. And that's the part that you have to separate from. That's what this guy is still struggling with is completely letting go. that and going a total different direction. He's easing himself in with the walking stuff.

But so what my journey looked like years ago is like part of like getting into a whole different modality. Like let go of the jacked look. I look like I can go get that anytime I want. And you can too. You've look at you've already proven that. You prove it you have the ability to go get that. So now try and train yourself.

Can I let it go? It doesn't mean be unhealthy. And I'm saying get fat. I'm just saying let that focus go and focus something on something. something else for a while and know that you got that in your back pocket if you ever need to that's the that's the growth part right here on your journey that you need to get through and that on the other side of that is a healthier version of you a fitter version of you and way less control and effort towards it are sarah how's how's your social life with friendships and

stuff or does all revolve around the gym i am right now yeah it's there's not much but i just got back to the day after living abroad for a couple of years and also Like, I went to Burning Man for 10 years. And so my previous life was like a bit of a partier. And all my friends loved a party. And I want nothing to do with that. So I think I've just kind of shifted that all in all my energy into, like, health and fitness. But now I've overdone it.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, that's that's another, that's another thing that could help is seek out kind of social. Yeah, social community. Yeah, social community. For me, it's my church. That's actually helped me quite a bit. And that's the other thing, too.

because otherwise you have all this time on your hands. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to go to the gym because I like doing that. I know. Yeah. I love to see you get coached. I know you say you're content putting right now, but a good coach for a good season. I'm getting closer.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, if you ever, if you're like, okay, I'm ready to do that. You let us know. We've got some great coaches here. You're not far from us either, by the way.

So you can even do personal training here on occasion. Yeah. Like once a week or once every the week and actually come into the studio and work with one our trainers. Oh, that'd be awesome. I love that. Would you? You want somebody to call you? Yeah, you know, why not? Yes. All right, let's do that. And we'll see you. We'll get you down here, Sarah. Awesome. All right, guys. Well, thank you so much for your time and for everything you do. I appreciate it. You got it. Thanks. Okay. Bye. She also works for the enhanced games. Did you see that? I did see that. She sees out talent.

Shut up for the marketing. Oh, that's cool. That's good. I hope she comes down here then. Which also makes it more difficult because you're working in the enhanced games. It's kind of a skewed environment. I mean, she's... I know, listen, if I didn't have kids and a wife and all that stuff, I mean, I know exactly. That's what I would do all the time. Yeah.

Because you got to find other things that you can replace it with. What are you still already do? I don't go... I'm not three hours a day. Well, no, okay. I'm saying if I had... Yeah, but you'd never miss. Yeah, but it's...

My point is, I'd be three hours a day if I don't have... You'd be even worse. Yeah, that's exactly. Even more crazy. Even more crazy. That's right. Yeah. No, it's, I mean, still at that place where this is where it's hard when, again,

and I think this is the exact same challenge that you feel with it is you're healthy, you're fit, you look good. You know what I'm saying? So it's really tough to tell somebody to break that when they have all these positive things that they have felt from it and their body's not screaming at them. That's right. And telling them they can't do that. But there's also other sides of this.

Sometimes, too, it's not just dysfunction on that side. You can become dysfunctional and your social and your... That's why I asked her. Yeah. Because she probably doesn't have social life. You can't work out that much. I mean, if you don't have that and you feel kind of lonely. And what happens is that person ends up that type of person, lots of friends

and being close to like this, you either don't or you find another person with the same issue. Of course. And then you both obsess over it together. And that's why we see so many people in the fitness space that are both bikini competitor and bodybuilder, you know, together. because they share this addiction together because they can't date anybody else as at all balance because it doesn't work. So they have no idea.

And they tell themselves they're so in love and they have all this in common. When it's like, yeah, you have this unhealthy relationship with exercise that's in common. And so got to break free of that or you'll have a really hard time connecting to somebody who doesn't want to take three hours of walk a day and an hour and a half training sessions every single day and measure every food they eat. Totally. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. Mind Pump Media. Thank you for listening to my. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy,

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