Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2813: Pilates for Aesthetics? What Actually Builds a Sculpted Body

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

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Yeah. That's why everybody's there. Can I start a war today? Again, I'm just trying to be more confrontational like you recommended. That's all right. Isn't this what you said yesterday? Let's talk about Pilates, though, because it is a popular form of exercise. It's really popular.

And it's growing a popularity. Yeah, it's growing a popularity. And part of the reason why it's popular is because the people who represent it in media look a particular way. So most people who do Pilates do it because they want to accomplish a certain look, not because they want to get good at Pilates or even because they're in dance, let's say, for example, which is kind of the roots of it. It's because they're led to believe that it produces kind of this body that looks long and long. that gives you this kind of sculpt, not bulky. Look, this is, again, quote that you'll hear for people to follow it. Is this like taking over the popularity of yoga?

Adam was talking about this earlier. God, again, blame me. Yeah. This is the new yoga, dude. Really? I guess so. Yeah. So here's the thing.

This is how I would say this is that Pilates is awesome. like a fork, a spoon, or a knife would be. It's just the wrong job for somebody who has a goal of, I want to build a body that looks this way. Right. So I think Paul- The wrong tool. Yeah, I think Pilates is awesome.

It has lots of benefits to it. But what happens is to the angle you are going, which is it's been, you know, there's the people that have marketed, have a look. This is very similar to what happened with CrossFit. you know, we saw these athletes with just crazy physiques and bodies with their shirts off competing. And it was like, I want to look like that. Therefore, I do CrossFit.

And so you have these gorgeous, long, lean bodies that do Pilates that market it. And it's like, oh, I want to look that way. So I should do Pilates. Listen, if you have aesthetic goals and you want to sculpt a physique, you want to build a body, it's a terrible tool. Yeah. And terrible, meaning there's a. bunch of other better ways to go about it than that. Doesn't mean it's not possible.

Doesn't mean you can't eat in a diet in which you build a little bit of muscle and you stay lean enough to see that muscle doing a form of movement like that. Yeah, of course you can. But it's definitely not the best tool for the job. There's far better tools for the job. And so that would be my thing to ask the person who says, I love it. I want to do it. It's like, oh, cool.

Well, if you love it, you want to do it and you're happy where you're at, keep on doing it. But if you said to me, Adam, I want to look this way or I want to lose this body fat and you're like, and my girlfriend does Pilates and she says it's amazing.

I would say, okay, cool. Do you love that already? Because if you don't, it's not the best tool about going that. Yeah, well, let's back up for a second. So the selling point of long, lean looking muscles. Well, first of all, lean is a result

of a particular body fat percentage. That can be accomplished through diet. Okay. long, you can't change your muscle insertions or origins. No matter what, there's no form of exercise that changes that. You'd have to have surgery where somebody would remove the insertion and apply it somewhere else. So your muscle length is determined by your genetics. It's what you're born with.

Muscle shape is largely determined by how much muscle you built. Now, larger muscles you can shape to an extent through targeted strength training. But it all comes from building. So all of it's building muscle. You know, when people say tone or sculpt or firm, they're just using different words to explain what happens when you build muscle. As you build muscle, it feels tighter. It feels firmer.

It feels more tone. It's just the beginning stages of building. Now, if you build a lot of muscle, then you get big muscles. But that's not a problem. We know that. You can strength train all you want, especially as a female. You're not going to get huge big muscles unless you are the, you know, 0.001% of the population. and or use anabolic steroids.

Otherwise, it's just not going to happen. So if you're exercising in the pursuit of a look, which, you know, can be defined as sculpted, toned, firm, good shape, traditional strength training will not only will it get you there, whereas Pilates probably won't, it'll get you there way faster. Like, way faster.

It's like trying to dig up a huge hole with a spoon versus a backhoe. That's the difference in, the speed at which you're going to accomplish these results. Now, as far as just the form of activity, you know, if you're sedentary and you want to do a form of activity and you just so happen to love the Pilates class or the instructor or you love a reformer, and you're like, look, it doesn't really matter to me if it's not the most effective way to look a particular way.

I don't care. I just want to move. I just need to be active and I enjoy doing Pilates. Go for it. Absolutely. Let's just say we're looking at it. completely as its own tool, its own specific focus. Like, would you say, like, more of its core emphasis and training would be its major benefit that it provides?

Like, what's the overall... Like, what are you going to get benefit from the class that you're going to experience? You're going to get good end range stability. You're going to... Like, muscle connectivity. You're going to get good at Pilates' movements. So when you look at Pilates' movements, many of the... them mimic what you would see, and I'm just as just for lack of a better term, the type of

movement would look, it appears almost like the kind of lines a dancer would look for. Right. Yeah. So when you're looking at a dancer and the way they move, the way they keep their long lines, long line just means you have your toe point, you have your leg out, you're holding a particular posture, you're moving, you'll get good at being able to move like that because that's what Pilates is. What's the origin of Pilates? The origin of Pilates? The origin. origin is from dance, is from ballet. So is it like literally a, Douglas, is it literally a ballet dancer who it's famous from who created it?

Loosely, loosely. But that style of exercise was used for. Give me the origin. Yeah, so originated in World War I, developed by a German physical trainer, Joseph Pilates, while interned in a British camp. Controllology was the original name, but it's used for yoga, martial arts, gymnastics, et cetera, et cetera.

So I don't see the dance connection. No, the dance connection is I say loosely because that's where it started to get popular. Yeah. But again, you're going to get in range of motion stability, very short movements. I'd probably also argue, I mean, again, Doug could probably Google this too. There's probably not a lot of injuries that happen from Pilates. It's a safe form. It has a natural limiter like calisthenics too, right?

Like doing cal, it's not that you can't be injured. Everybody can be injured doing anything, right? You can be injured walking. But I would think that it has a low injury rate because of its... In comparison. In comparison. There are...

Which, by the way, just like with anything, the higher the risk, the higher reward normally with a lot of stuff. And so there's very low risk probably in it. It's a good question because you look at different forms of exercise. And I'll say this about strength. strength training. Strength training is really just how you're applying resistance, rest periods, the goal to build muscle. It could look very different because there's so many different exercises and applications. Pilates is a style. Yoga is a style. Like you know Pilates when you see it.

Strength training can be correctional exercise, bodybuilding, can be powerlifting, can be athletic minded. It's just the goal is to build strength and build muscle. As far as injuries are concerned, The ones that, it is low injury, but the characteristic injuries of Pilates tend to be low back focused. Typically, so as, you know, a syndrome or pulling of the hip flexors at where they attached. Did you look that up, Doug or no? Yeah, I'm just digging through this. Yeah, I'm not getting any good answers here. But, but, you know, it's getting marketed, especially to women as this, like, way of exercising to accomplish this look.

Yeah, to achieve a certain body look. That's right. Yeah. That's right. And it's not going to get you there. No. Or if it does, it'll get you there real slow.

I mean, it's not different than the, and we all have had this client who, you know, was in good shape, played basketball four days a week. Love pickup ball and so like that. And I said, you know, I want to build my delts in my chest,

but I love playing basketball. It's like, well, if you want to do that, then our training looks totally different than what you're doing right now. But if you just want to continue to be in shape, I love what you're doing. Yeah. Keep playing basketball.

basketball. Moving all different kind of planes and you jump and it's keeping your body fat percentage down and totally nothing wrong with continuing to go about that modality in order to stay fit and healthy. It's enough stimulus for the muscles that they're not going to atrophy on you, but you're not going to build a body that you're asking for me through that modality. And so this is Pilates in that sense where it's like if you are fit or you like doing something and it keeps you healthy, then I'm all pro it.

I do got to say, I've said this before on so many other podcasts, as I often do these circuits where I get on these other shows. And my favorite shows, well, I like them all, but the ones I tend to, you know, do well on are these like female wellness kind of influencer podcast where they have a large audience of women in their 20s and 30s who are looking into fitness and wellness. And I tell you what, man, women in general get hammered with such terrible. everybody does in the fitness industry. The marketing with fitness industry is just ridiculous,

but it really targets women and lies to them. And what it does is it's saying this essentially, you don't want to look like a bodybuilder, do you? This form of exercise, look at it. Doesn't it look feminine? It's always the comparison. Isn't it look feminine? It's going to create these long, lean,

and by the way, when you watch someone do Pilates, who's fit, the movement of Pilates looks amazing. It does seem to appeal. to that kind of feminine energy. What is movement focused? Right. So when you see it, you look at it and you go, oh yeah, that's, I think, what I want to do.

But I'm going to tell you, ladies right now, look, if you love Pelagie, you love the skill, you enjoy it, you want to be active, go for it, don't stop. But if you're like, no, I want to accomplish, like, I want to sculpt my body. I want to change the way that I look. I want to get stronger. I want to have, like, a lot of bang for my buck.

I don't want to work out every day. So what can I do to accomplish all those things? Like, just strength. train. Traditional strength training is going to give you all of that much faster than any of the form of exercise. So I just want to set the record straight because I know the vast majority of people doing Pilates is not because they necessarily want to get good at Pilates is because the training.

Well, that was my point that I'm, so this is one of my good buddies who I went to high school with, his older sister, who I, she was three years, I think three or four years older than we were. She owns a bunch of Pilates Studio. She's also a mind pump listener. It has been for a long time. So she's getting annoyed right now, isn't she? No, I, no.

She, I think she's always, she, uh, she's reached out to me many times to help her with diet and training. And, you know, even as a Pilates instructor who owns all kinds of studios, you know, she'd be reaching out to me saying that, you know, I want, I want this. I want to look a little this. And it's just like, and I'm always pushing back going like, you know, like, it's the training. It's like you're,

I know you love Pilates and it's your business. And so it's really tough for me to tell you like, hey, back off the Pilates and go to strength training and you're going to sculpt the body that you want. But that's what I'm hearing from you. You're already hell of good. You're definitely proven.

You're really good at Pilates. You can do all the moves better than anybody. You've been teaching it for 20 years. But you're asking me that you, you're like telling me that I want to lean out a little bit more and I want my butt to look like this. And it's like, I'm telling you, that's not a great way to go about it. There's a much better way to, and what we'll do is we'll reverse diet at you, build your ass, build some muscle through like squatting and deadlifting.

And then I'm going to reduce your calories and lean you out. And then you're going to have that ass and that waste that you've always wanted. And it's not through the modality you've been doing for two-of-the-case. One of the other challenges with this is when we look at the famous, you know, famous loosely could just be popular on social media or whatever. but the famous representatives of different modalities. What you're looking at are people who are both genetically gifted in that that they're built to do well at that modality. So they have the polymorphism to do well at that modality.

Plus they're genetically gifted athletes anyway. Or they train completely differently, but then they do this as a fun. And so you see that represent, for example, if I say bodybuilding. Yeah, you think you put up, Mr. Olympia. You pull up a pro bodybuilder. Yeah.

You're like, oh boy, I definitely don't want to do that. I'm going to tell everybody right now, you can try. Yeah. You could try looking, I've tried my whole life to look like that, okay? It's just not going to happen. I don't have the genetics. To put it differently, if you look at Olympic level swimmers, do you think, do you think you're going to look like them?

Do you think you're going to look like an Olympic level swimmer if you train, if you swim all the time? No. Like Olympic level swimmers have long arms, long torso, short legs. That's the way they were born. they're genetically built to be great at swimming. So it's not going to change your limb length or your toes. Yeah, I don't care what Michael Phelps did, diet and exercise length. He could never win a pro bodybuilding show.

Nothing. Never. He could never win a running anything. He couldn't even make a pro card. He would lose a local show. Yes. Yeah. Because he just not built for it.

No. I'm saying? It doesn't mean he can't build a aesthetic-looking physique and do very well with what he's got. That's not my point. My point is there is a massive difference between the people that we use to market a modality and everybody else. Right. So you could look at like an ice skater or a ballerina and be like, whoa, I want to look like that. It must be their training.

No, I mean, part of it, but a lot of it is their genetics. And they were built to do that thing. So Pilates sells well to women. It does. And when you watch people do, if you watch a woman, same woman, lifting weights or doing Pilates to the average, woman, the one that same woman, same look, same leanness, same muscle, right? One, she's over here, she's deadlifting, squatting, overhead pressing, over here, she's doing Pilates on a reformer.

To a lot of women, it's going to be much more attractive to see her do it on the reformer because it looks, well, it looks more what I would, what they may think is feminine. Yeah, it's a little more feminine. That's right. I want to, I'm going to defend Pilates because I will say this. I love Pilates to compliment a great strength training program. Sure. Somebody who.

End of range stability. it's great. Yes. So I love a two to three day a week strength training routine with a one day a week Pilates routine. Great. Awesome. I had lots of clients. Awesome. This is normally where I took somebody that said, but I love it. That's right. I love it. I want to look like this, but I also want to do it. Yes. I love it. It feels so good. I like my class. I like my teacher. It feels so good when I do it. Totally. And I'm like, rad. Let's keep doing it. Let's do it once a week. And then the other two days a week, let me strength train you. 100%. And then I'm going to give you that body that you love, and then you get to still do that thing you also really enjoy too. You can have both.

But doing it through Pilates, good luck. Yeah, no. Good luck. You know what I'm saying? If you're trying to obtain a look, which is most people. And if you're not that person, that's not who we're talking to. There's a lot of benefit and variability of movement. And I think that, you know, that's something that you can incorporate activities

and hobbies and like you can figure out how to factor that in your schedule. But in terms of the training, the core of your training and what your goal is, if it's a static or performance driven, you have to really factor that in is this is the biggest mover. I can sprinkle in my activities and hobbies. And I'll throw a wrench in this. If someone loves Pilates so much, that that's the only way they're going to be consistent with any exercise. and we're preaching strength training and like I hate it.

And if I did it, I just won't do it and I won't exercise. You know what I'm going to tell you to do? Plotties, please. Stick to it. Stick to it. Stick to it. Keep doing it then. Yeah.

But that's not the point. The point I'm trying to make is if you're doing it to achieve a look, there's a much faster, better way to do it. So I want to add to that because let's play that client conversation now. I'll say, but know that you're at the mercy of what it can do.

That's right. So. The limitations. Exactly. It's limited. Strength training is not. No. I mean, you keep...

Not that way. No. I mean, you can keep changing, sculpting. I mean, it's one of the things I love to communicate on here is that I've talked openly on the show many of times about how I've, my physique has been from 180 to 230 and I've looked different. Good and bad at every weight along the... I mean, that's crazy, but that's because of strength training. Like, because of weight training.

you at all different weights, you could have all different looks, depending on how you're training and sculpting the body, that's rad. There's nothing else, no other modality could do that. Also, you know,

I'll just say this, because I had this experience this morning. I was at the gym. This is my cardio week. So I'm just using the elliptical, which is hilarious, by the way. You said, you suggested a video?

No, no. Bro, that's like your thing. We have to be. I'm making gifts out of it. Just the up and down. You know, just the up and down motion. Yeah. I'm like, oh, God.

But anyway, I'm on the elliptical. I'm going, listen to my book. And in front of me, there was an older guy. I would guess probably in his late 60s on the recumbent bike. And I mean, he's going slow, but he's trying to move. He's trying to exercise. Yeah. And I was on the elliptical for like 35 minutes or so.

This guy probably around 30 minutes. So he gets up before I'm done. He gets up and he's just, man, he's having a tough time standing up and he stands up. And then he kind of walks real slow. So first off, I'm like in my head, I'm thinking like, I'm proud of you, man, for doing some exercise. But then the other part of me is like, my friend, you're doing the recumbent bike, but what you need is strength. You sat on this bike and peddled, which is better than nothing. It's way better than sitting at home.

So I'm proud of you. But I'm watching you get up out of that chair. I'm watching you walk. You have a hard time getting up. And it's what you need is strength, dude. That will change your life. This bike, better than nothing, but it's not going to change your life. If he just strength trained one day a week,

if he did three exercises at his age with his condition, from what I saw, three exercises once a week. That's it. He would blow his mind. He would get out of that chair so much faster within months versus coming in every day and doing that little recumbent bike the whole time. All right. So I can't wait to you.

I've been waiting holding this story in since this morning, dude. What a crazy experience. You're hyping this up, dude. This is yesterday? This was yesterday. And at the gym? No, it's at home. Oh, it's your homework out.

So I get home and my son wanted to shoot the BB gun in the backyard. So you guys, we have a big backyard. So we go back there, set up a table and him and I are shooting a pellet gun. And we're shooting cans and, you know, cans are full of soda. So you hit them, they explode. And we're just having all this fun, right? We're shooting. He's got really good aim, by the way.

It's pretty incredible. This five-year-old kid, man, he's like 80% of time hits the can. So anyway, we're out there shooting. And, you know, it's like at this point, point. Now it's like 5.45, almost 6 o'clock. Time to go inside for dinner. So I pulled up the table. And I got, don't push play on that yet, Doug. Don't push play on that yet, dude. So I'm walking in with the table. Oh, you got the video from your nest? Hold on a second. Okay. So I'm walking in with the table and the gun. Yeah. Okay. So I'm walking back and I hear my wife come out the side of the

kitchen door screaming. Sal, fire. Fire. Fire. and I see smoke a little bit. So I, boom, right? Take off along the side of the house, run in. What she had done is she had put taco shells on a pan in the oven to warm them up. Yeah. But she had it on broil. So I guess it caused a fire inside the stove.

Really? It caught the taco shells in fire? Yeah, and they were on fire and it was flaming up in there. And so I run in and I see the fire in the stove in the oven. But luckily she had turned it off. It had come down. I was able to grab them with the oven, take it out. It was a whole ordeal.

Apparently, I didn't hear she had been calling for me, but we were way in the back. My niece had run outside. You know, so they were panicking because my wife said she opened the oven a couple times. And like the flame came out and she closed it. So, and she had the fire extinguisher ready to go. So we all come down. So then I'm retelling the story. We're sitting down.

I open the doors, the windows because it's full of smoke. Everything comes out. Fire department even shows up. Oh, my God. Because we have an alarm. system that alerts the fire one. Oh, and they were such cool guys, dude. They pulled up.

I walk outside. They're like, smells good. I'm like, dude, I'm sorry, taco shells. So, shook everybody's hand. Taco Tuesday. I appreciate you guys coming. We're all good. But anyway, so now where everybody's calm, we sit down and I'm like,

retelling the story. And I'm like, man, I'm like, I heard you yell my name out. I'm like, I'm like impressed that I could still run. That's your impression. So my wife's like, wow, you really? So that's two weeks of cardio. So yeah, yeah, I took off. dude. So, and we're talking about, hey, I want to see, oh, God.

I want to see this camera, bro. Yeah. In your head, hey, in your head, in your head, in your head, in your head, it was real fast, done. He called it, bro. Let me see the video. Hey, let me see the video. Watch the serial. I can't wait. I can already, I can already picture. He's like, man, that was lightning fast. I just want to guess. In my head, bro, I was such a hero, dude. Let me see. Watch the video, dude. Did you watch everything? I did. Let me see it. I already know. You got it.

In your head, you're like, yeah, bro, I got there. I got there. Okay, watch. Look, ooh. Hey, listen, I trotted. To her rescue, bro. So my wife,

my wife pulls up the camera, the video, and the recording, and she's in her head. She tells me afterwards, because we watched it together, bro, we were on the floor dying. She goes,

by the way you explained it, she goes, I thought you took off like a rocket shit. No, dude. You know what it looks like? It looks like I drop things. And then I go, I will be there slowly.

I'm coming. Yeah. I will be there slowly. Probably better that way, though. You would have probably pulled him. I know. Luckily you didn't pull something because that's normally what happens in the situation. So we have cameras all around the house.

So we're like, and there's like, I have a video of me walking out with the pan, you know, smoke coming out of it. it. And my niece, she said she was yelling fire. Bro, we watched her come out. And I'm like, bro, you sound like you were calling your dog. Like, your dog's name fire. She's like, fire. Fire. I'm like, nobody's going to respond to that. Dude. It's hilarious, bro. Hey, in my head? In my head, I've been there. I dropped everything. It took off, bro. You know, that, hey, this reminds me of this. That was the slowest thing I've ever seen it last. So you remember, uh, it was a nice little stroll. You remember,

remember when I tore my peck what last year before last year. It's been two years now, almost two years since I tore my peck. Wakeboarding you know, I'd been out in a while and I'm with a family that like they've only had a boat and tower for

so long. I've been riding since I was a kid and so like that. So everybody gets all excited for me to go out and go ride and stuff like that. And I'm like warming up and doing my thing and stuff like that feeling myself and my son's watching and my wife's video and stuff like that. And I'm like and I I haven't, I haven't,

ridden it really jumped on time, and I hit my first jump, and I'm just like, yeah, you know what I'm saying? And I come back in and I see the video. Yeah, it's like a quarter to the size I thought, you know what I'm saying? I swore I was 20, 30 feet in the air, you know what I'm saying? It was like four feet.

But my body, my body felt like, oh, yeah, I was up there, you know what I'm saying? I tell you, bro, the way I was selling it to everybody, I'm like, oh, man, I'm surprised. I had dropped and I took off. I heard you calling me. Yeah. You know, in my head, I'm like, yeah, we watched the video.

Like, bro, is that slow motion? Can you hit it? If you hit regular speed, what's going on? That was your turbo, dude. I sent it to my whole family, bro. We were all, everybody was laughing. I knew that was coming the way you were sitting at table. I was like, oh, God, I've been there before where you, you think, and it's like, that's it's

so awesome. Hey, you know what's so funny? It's like, I think it just keeps going like that. You know what I'm saying? By the time you're 65, 70, it's like, oh, yeah, I was sprinted. And it's like, you should see me. You should see what I did. That was crazy.

Well, we got cameras now, everybody. We can now record it all. Free equalizer. Dude, we were, last night, I'm in the kitchen. I'm cooking and cleaning and stuff. And I got my, you know, my jazz music on. We have a little speaker inside the inside there. Yeah, hey, hey, Google play jazz.

And Katrina, Katrina, I'm listening and I'm doing my doing my thing. And I can hear, and Katrina and Max are in the living room doing their thing. and Max's like, Mommy, this song is sad. And she's like, I can hear her like in the distance. I'm doing my thing and I'm, but I can hear her talking to him.

She's like, daddy, let daddy listen to his music. He's cooking dinner for us, this and that late. And he's like, and I just hear him go, hey, Google, skip.

No. Skip my song. You little shit. Dude, my, my, my, my, I told you guys my three-year-old,

my daughter, when she gets mad, sometimes. We call her the incredible sulk, by the way. She gets mad and she's angry. She's angry for a while, dude. So we're just like, all right. But she'll get mad and she'll walk around the house. She'll make this face.

And then she'll walk and just knock things off tables and throw things. And we know this. This is like her thing. It's like her thing. She's going to throw things. Yeah. Anyway, she was, I don't remember what happened. She got pissed. She's like, no. And we're like, no, Dahlia. You can't do that. She's like, oh. And we had a bag with two

one gallon bottles of water in them. So the big gallon. So there's like two of them, right? In the bag. She looks at it and I'm like, oh, she's going to try to throw that? I'm like, go for it. So she gets down and she's not moving. And she's like trying.

Like she's like committed. Like she has to throw this thing. She can't lift it. So she finally stops. And she like kicks it over. Walks over. Walks over. We were just cracking up.

Like she just tried so hard to be a little turkey. They have to be getting close to that age. I'm trying to remember because my godson and God's out of their, they're similar. And it was, it's right about now. or the next year or so when I remember and you guys are your kids are just like his like the the older boy already kind of a rough and tumble boy but then it makes the daughter like even more and I remember when she got strong enough to start wrestling with him on the couch and so yeah I don't know if Dahlia is there yet but before long she will be and I remember seeing my little

godtide just get wipping up on my godson who's not like a little softy kid he's a he's a he's a tough little kid, but his daughter his little sister is even tougher, dude, and it's so funny to watch her, like, wrestle him and then him cry to mom and dad. Mom, Mom. Oh, she's just, she's, you know, she's three, so she's super honest. She's like,

you know, she, what happened? We were hanging out, and she goes, I like mom a lot more than you. I'm like, oh, okay, that's, you know, I love mom too. She goes, yeah, but I love her. I'm like, do you love me? She goes, not now. Sometimes. I'm like, wow, so you don't love me? She goes, well, I just love mom a lot. I'm like, okay. Thanks. I guess we'll just keep playing. And we'll just take it from there. Dude, I appreciate you telling me that, dude. Hey, did you see that we finally have the meat sticks stocked up?

Oh, yes. I'm so excited about that finally. Dude, I've been having such a hard time, like, getting my lunch consistently. Yeah, why do you? What's wrong with you? I don't know, man. I just like, it's an oversight, you know? Like, I've actually been up in my breakfast a lot, though. So it's, I think that's probably part of it because I just don't think, you know, ahead of time to cover that. So you're eating before you leave to the studio. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, I'm like more substantially than I was before.

Oh, sure, because I don't. But yeah, it's happened to the weekend when I'm working really hard. And then I'm like, oh, no. Like, it's like three, four o'clock. And I totally forgot, you know, to eat. When you have the meat sticks, that helps. That helps. That helps.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you do. Do you like, what's like cram it down? What's each one? Nine grams of protein? Is that right? Yeah.

Yeah. Nine grams. I think another six grams or nine grams of fat. It's like, it's grass-fed, you know, that's, do you like the buffalo chicken?

That's pretty good. Yeah. That's my favorite. Yeah. Halapeno, bro. They stopped making that. They're fire. They,

I just, I just ate one. Oh, wow. Halapeno, turkey sausage and what was it? I like the summer sausage. Yeah. Is it a summer sauce?

You guys won't eat it. I'm like, oh, sweet. That's not the turkey sausage one then. No. Oh, okay. Summer sausage, I think. And then what,

what you got, how many grams? It's six grams of protein in this. And I'm trying to find the fat, five grams of fat. Yeah. So it's protein fat, low calorie.

So three of those, three of those is a nice little 18 grams of protein. And then fermented, meaning that's why they're not dry. Yeah. They actually ferment them all. They're the best. They're the best healthy beef turkey

you can get for sure. Everything else is gross. Yeah. I don't, they've totally spoiled the heck of them. I know. I remember before, Pela, we had, we had bigger name brands that came after us and we were just like,

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to eat this. Dude, I got to tell you guys, I was reading an article, do you know how big, I'll pull up this article,

do you guys know how big of a problem, AI therapy is becoming? Oh, still? I mean, I know one or two states regulated that already, right? Dude, they're, they're trying to.

I thought I saw a percentage of, of, is it Gen Z that uses it for, it's a large percentage use it. So this was a study down out of Brown University. This is in Science Daily, so it's published March 2nd.

This is what it says. It says, as millions turn to chat GBT and other AI chatbots for therapy style advice, new research from Brown University raises a serious red flag. Even when instructed to act like trained therapists, these systems routinely break core ethical standards

of mental health care. And side-by-side evaluations with peer counselors and licensed psychologists, researchers uncovered 15 distinct ethical risks from mishandling crisis situations and reinforcing harmful beliefs to showing biased responses and offering deceptive empathy

that mimics care without real understanding. So here, let me tell you why this came up for me because I don't use AI like this at all. I don't talk to my AI. My AI is Google. I use my AI like Google

and I have it organized things for me sometimes. But that's it. That's about as far as I go. Yeah. I was in this group, I won't say too much, but I was in this church group and the topic came up

of loneliness among men. So this is like a, We know this, like middle-aged men in particular, just don't make friends very well. Majority of them, if you ask him, who's your best friend and who do you hang out with most of my wife, which is that's nice, but you should also have male friendship. And the data and studies around that's pretty, it's really good. It shows a lot of benefit from having male companionship for men. But anyway, this guy's talking about how we were going around and he's like, I use, I hate to say this, but I use chat GPT. He's a middle-aged man.

It's not even a Gen Z kid. He's a dude that's in his 40s. Wow. And he's talking about how he talks to chat GBT throughout the day like it's a buddy. Yeah. And it's just crazy. So I think it's happening way more than we realize. And it's only going to get worse.

Now, can you see, obviously that's the alarmist, negative, bad implications. Can you see any positive to it? You can't possibly think it's all net negative, right? You can't possibly think that. Or else that many people with it. I think the positive. AI. For that purpose only.

I'm not saying, there's obvious reasons why AI is positive for a bunch of stuff. No, I think there's zero, zero benefit to companionship. Zero. That'd be like saying, well, okay, I think companionship is a,

is a, is a, too broad of a stroke to say for everybody who's using it for, for therapy. For example, um, let's say you just got in a fight with your wife. Yeah.

Um, and it's 10, 11 o'clock at night. You're, you're not, you're not calling your best friend nor you probably would anyways. So you go to your AI and you go, you implement it and you go, here's the argument, here's the thing. And it gives you her, you know, how can I see this from her perspective and, you know, to better understand where she's coming from. And it gives you a relatively good answer and maybe opens your mind a little bit to,

you know, no. No. You think it's better to stay in your mind. That's like saying, I'll pose a different question to you. There's a guy who's lonely. He's got a high libido. So pornography is better than nothing. Well, wait a second.

You just added layers to that complexity that I did not. Let's say exactly what I said. Let's say it's you. Yeah. Okay. And it's late at night. You are, you have a mental block and you,

you see there's no value of you working that out with an AI tool. No, not like that. I don't. I think it's a, it's not just a slippery slope. I would really trust this advice. Not just the advice, but if I go to you or you with a problem, it's not just the advice I want.

It is, but it's also connection. I'm playing devil's advocate right now. Of course, right? Because it's not like I even use it this way. He doesn't need an advocate, by the way. It does a good job. So. The devil does a pretty good job on the sofa.

So because I think sometimes some people's friends are toxic and give terrible advice. Sure. Matter of fact, a lot. lot of people operate from a play. And this is, I mean, what do we always talk about is like you're, you're the average of your five circle and some of the advice. Whenever I talk to somebody in their 20s, I'm almost always repeating myself with like, you really need to evaluate the five people you spend this time with. Many of them are friends and attachments you've made through childhood trauma and insecurities. There's jealousy involved in there. They act like they're, they want the best for

you. But in reality, they only want so good as long as you want you to do good, not better than themselves. So if that's your circle that you seek counsel and advice from, I can't imagine that being that much better than a AI tool that I prompt. Speak to me as if you're Jordan Peterson and I'm trying to understand my wife here. I think if you want information, the Internet's there and you can read articles and find information that will help you. but AI poses as a person. It poses as a human and it creates this false sense. I think you're focusing on the dangers and the bad only.

And you're not looking through. So what's the benefit the advice? You just use Google. Why use AI? Because you can't prompt that the same way. And by the way, when you Google now, it is AI, bro. Right. But my point is, why not just get the information?

When people use AI, it's conversing with you. it's talking with you. You lack the understanding then of the tool very well. Googling it is the long form when you have a calculator. It's you being able to go, if Jordan Peterson was sitting in this room, you could prompt it as if... But it's not Jordan Peterson. It takes from all of Jordan Peterson's working conversations and then gives you that answer.

I could look up the data and information, but to tell it to communicate to me like Jordan Peterson, not good. It is acting like a human and it is creating a false connection. which is very, very dangerous, and it's causing a lot of problems. I mean, it's going to cause a lot more problem. You're highlighting an interesting way to use it. I think that most, if we're talking about general people that are, like, using it, I don't really think they're going to prompt it in that regard.

Like, they're just going to ask it directly. Sure. Right? So I think that's where, you know, the problems lie when you become, it becomes its own living force that you're communicating with and developing a relationship. with. And so the relationship of that starts pulling you into using it differently, not like is, like you're mentioning like Jordan Peterson, like somebody that's already has like wisdom, authority, you know, within the psychological realm, which is great.

I think using it like that would make sense if you have the wit to do that. Well, don't you guys believe too that? Part of that is because it's so new, we're still learning how to prompt it and use it correctly. By the way, this is not me. I know, we're just, we're, I'm probably the most just as much anti this stuff as anybody is. My point is, I don't think it's fair to only look through a, the pessimistic, uh, fear mongering type of lens when we are in a time when this is early adoption, anything or, I mean, the, the first planes that we try to fly were very dangerous to try and do that. What is pertaining to be a human? Anything that is going to take the place. When we were pertaining to be a bird at that time.

That's, but that's different. The theory is a tricky one, though. That's so. I mean, yeah. It's different. Yeah, it's different. Anything. I think it's not good at that.

Anything that replaces a human or tries to pretend to be a human is not good. It's dangerous. It's a human connection and real human connection. So important to who we are, whether you're, whether you believe in the spiritual side of things or not, just look at the secular data. It's very important. And the way people are using it is precisely what you're saying. It is replacing relationships.

There was a survey I read. There's an alarming amount of people that have already had an AI boyfriend or girlfriend. I mean, you juggling knives, bad idea. You're using it to cut your steak pretty smart. I think that you're- The way you're painting it is the way I'm- Well, yeah, but you're assuming it's, is it not possible for the guy who has a very healthy circle of friends in the real world that you connect with?

Look at all the parameters that you're making right now. You're creating like this perfect scenario. Well, you're doing the opposite. You're just saying a blanket statement of it's all. all bad, it's all dangers, it's all evil. No, no, it's like, whoa, wait a second, dude. I think you use it for work, you use it for programming, you're using it to solve problems, I think it's brilliant.

If it's, if it is a friendship or therapy or any kind of human connection, substitute, not good. To be able to discern that it's giving you good information. So that's the part, I think it's, I struggle with that. Oh, I mean, I agree with that. That's, I think that's also part of Justin. That's early adoption of anything, though. Yeah.

I mean, we're like, and you ask what, we're going to crack a couple eggs. to make an omelet. Like you're going to make better versions of it too. Yeah, there's going to be better versions. And then the generation coming up isn't going to sound like a bunch of us old, old fuddy-duddy's trying to use it. They're going to have, they're going to know that. They're going to be like, hey, listen, these people that decided to use it as a companion, look what happened to them. Bad idea.

Don't use it that way. But to problem solve. Different. And which could be what I just gave as an example. My wife and I just got into this argument. I am having such a hard time seeing it from a. a female's perspective or from her side of the argument, let me prompt this thing as if it was Jordan Peterson

who's going to then, and man, that's not a bad tool, bro. I think it is. I think, again, it's acting like a person. It's replacing a human being in that sense. But if you're like, show you, you don't have that. I can't call Jordan Peterson at 10 o'clock a night. Of course not.

But I don't think an AI, Jordan Peterson is a good alternative. You don't think he's better than Susan, who's jealous of your shoes and your wealth that you've created research yourself? You think she's better to call? Do you think the state's better to raise kids than parents that aren't perfect? I mean, I could create all kinds of weird scenarios

where if I paint the parameters and maybe we could create an argument, but I'm going to tell you right now, if it's replacing actual human relationship and connection, bad, bad, always, always, always. And even if the result sounds good and feels good, it leads to it. Why can it be the Pilates of Strength Training?

We can make it work. I'm not advocating for Pilates, full Pilates, dog. Doug, look up. But he can compliment your straight training. I read a study, and I want to make sure I have it right. Look up what percentage of people have had a, have admitted to having an AI boyfriend or girlfriend. It was a weird study I read. And it's actually, you guys, it's growing.

I mean, bro, it's wild. It is growing. It's way more than people realize. And it's only going to get worse. I mean, I don't. But numbers. I wouldn't argue that. If you teased it out, you're going to get it outliers.

And that's the thing. I think it just needs to be in the conversation. The caution in the guardrails and the this could happen. So the examples of like where this has gone sideways instead of just, you know, like allowing people to figure that out. And a large percentage of people use it precisely for therapy. Every time new technology has come out. Look at this, bro.

What? Recent surveys from late 2025 indicate that approximately 90s. 19 to 28% of U.S. adults have admitted, admitted. These are the ones that have admitted to having an intimate or romantic relationship with an AI chatbot. Look at this. Gen Z, 33%. You guys, that's one out of nine, one third of Gen Z. Wow.

Is have an intimate relationship with AI. Okay? I'm going to tell you right now, again, no. if it replaces any human type of connection, it's bad. This is the beginning. This is 2025. What do you think it's going to be in 10 years? I mean, what do the stats look like when, you know, television first came out?

What percentage of those kids when they first start, we're sitting in front of the television all day long because it was a new technology. That's totally different. That's totally different. It's totally different. It's always totally different because technology is always evolving and changing. My argument and my point is that there is always a bunch of 45. year old guys. Nobody was having... When something comes out that reads the statistics on something that is so bad and alarm.

This is very specific, bro. This is intimate or romantic relationship. This is not how long are you using it? Are you using it instead of working out? Are you on this for this many hours? It literally specific... Yeah, but doesn't this follow the natural curve of how us, we do a bunch of stupid shit? And then we go... Hopefully. We're already seeing the next generation coming up start to auto-correct itself on social media. And that's addictive as shit, but you already see, you already see, like, dubs, your guys as young, your youngest kids are already becoming aware of the generation above that became zombies on their tech and are going, it's cool to not be on there. It's cool to not post on your thing. So you're saying that it's going to get real bad. People will figure out of that. Maybe. Yes. Yes. But we've never, it's so, it's so. But we've never had anything that's not human that creates what people would label as deep emotional attachment. I know, but there, there was always, there's always. There's always been. in an argument that we've never had this thing is what I'm saying. Sure, it is different.

I hope you're right. I don't know. But we've always at every decade and a half, there's always a thing that we've never seen anything like this. And look at how bad they're using it. And it's like... So your argument is it's going to get worse and then get better. Yes. Maybe. I hope you're right. And maybe

we're at peak worse already. Maybe people are already realizing... I don't know. I'll gamble and say no. We haven't seen it like in robotic form. Thank you. Right. We're still on your phone, bro. You got a robot, you got a hot-looking robot that does this. I was just watching Westworld again. I started watching this all over again with my kids. And it's really interesting to go through that again because it, you start to see like, I mean,

there was a lot of interesting ideas that they portrayed in there where they collect memories. And this collective memory, like, as they go along, it builds this consciousness. And then it almost becomes the point where it, you know, it's unstoppable, where it's unstoppable, where just becomes its own. I will mean. I'm more worried, okay, of this utopia that we're chasing

than I am this because that will fuel this more than anything else. If we get to a place, which is where we're moving right now, where the robots and AI does all of our jobs, which like, I don't know,

80% of all tech jobs, finance jobs, right now you're all working, training your replacement right now. Like, and every big company, is like fully aware of that. Especially pro.

And so then what happens from there is a mass adoption of this new, these AI tools that enhance these companies that lays off all these people that then government has to come and get involved and UBI comes out to make sure everybody can actually live and survive while all these robots now are doing our jobs. And then the most dangerous thing happens,

which is you get everything you want. And you don't have anything to do. And you don't have purpose. And then, That number right there, of course, explodes. But I think that's far more scary of a thing than that is. I think if the job thing and utopia thing doesn't happen like I'm saying we're chasing, then this auto corrects.

This gets to a point where enough kids grow up and realize having a relationship with an AI is dangerous, doesn't lead to having more children. It could. It could very well do that. Yeah. What are the odds that the next civil rights movement is to give rights to? AI robots. Because you get 70% of adults.

We've covered everything else. Yeah, you get 70% of adults who have intimate relationships with AI robots that seem that are humanoid. They're going to vote. They're going to want their companion to have rights. I mean, that's one speculation. But who knows?

We're betting on this. Look, this is what we're betting on. We're investing heavily in in-person, personal training. Because I think in the future, as people have more available resources because of this highly efficient, you know, world that we may live in in the future

where these robots are going to do all of our work for us. I think there's going to be enough people are going to be like, man, I really, first off, I have time. Yeah. There'll be a mindset shift. I want to exercise and get fit. Never had the time and the energy. It gives me a sense of purpose.

So there's a little bit of a sense of purpose there. And I want to be around people. And so that's one thing that we're investing in. I mean, I 100% agree. I have no idea what the split is going to be. It's probably going to be like 80-20. I know I've been saying it's going to be split, not like down right down the middle.

There's going to be the plugged and unplugged, dude. There is going to be people that reject this idea of that. And I 100%, I even believe to go even further, like investing in real estate and all this other stuff that I like to pay attention to, like I think like Justin's style of living and out further from the city, is going to be more desirable than in city. Sure. It'll be more expensive.

Yes, city's going to be automated. City will have all the self-driving cars. City will, it'll... Efficiency. Yes, it'll be low costs. And why would you need to live in the city for not even working? Exactly. And so having an acre to two acres around and space and is going to become where the Uber

wealthy go, not in the high rise in the building that is, that serves you all. You know, it's wild. And we'll see. And by the way, if we'll see... And by the way, if we... go this direction, you will see it from the city out. It won't start, you won't have rope. People that have five acres, 20 minutes out from the city are not going to be the first people to adopt all the robots. It'll be the people that are inside the city to make all that

stuff more efficient. That'll drive that cost down. If it does work that way where people have more time, things are being done for you, resources are, you know, things are efficient. You're going to see an explosion of interest in fitness is what you're going to see. You saw it during COVID, which is wild. During COVID, gyms were closed. and more people because they couldn't work got into fitness. And so I think it's, and I think personal, in person, see that in music and art.

And I do think because, like, if you guys have noticed, like, so even this summer and then the whole year slot it out, I have never seen this mini-bands touring. Like, it's insane. Is it because it's hard to make money now, but other than you know. I don't, I think there's interest there. I think people, they're in there, they're selling out. like everywhere is selling out for these live events.

And I just think that it's an experience. People are seeking like real experiences, not digital experiences. Yeah. And so I think that, I mean, that's my speculation on the music. I mean, the super optimistic view of this, although I don't think I should have this, but the super optimistic view is that this frees up so much time, people realize they lack purpose in their life. And the, and the journey towards that is self-development and growth.

And they seek things like spiritual growth, like physical health and things like that because it will give that sense of purpose. Yeah. And the question becomes how long do they have to go down the direction that you're, you know, sounding the alarm for before they, because you will have to. It's going to be so alluring. You can't Netflix and fuck your way robots wise to happiness. It just, that won't happen. That could numb you for a short period of time, but you will eventually have to find something

that gives you real meaning and purpose. I had this crazy thought of like the poor awkward dude who has no friends, so he goes to the robot bar and he's hanging out with his AI buddies and they're all just having a great time. He's like, why would I want to do anything else? You know, it's going to be interesting. It's going to be very interesting.

But that's what Doug brought up, what Doug pulled up. It's like the blow up. It's the matrix. It's the, bro, it's the Matrix. Remember the part where he's like we had to recreate it because it was too perfect. Everybody was happy. They got what they wanted. It was told how pretty...

You lost entire crops. Yeah, we have lost entire crops. And so we had to go back and create adversity and challenge and struggle and all the things. Speaking of trainers and stuff, you know, we have a group. Our school group. For trainers. Elite trainer academy. It's literally about helping you become a better trainer.

You don't work for us. You're in there. and we teach you. We have stuff in there that teaches you. It's a great community. And it's, we're going to have people in there for free for a little bit, right? So the way we've created it and we agreed to do this is we moved it away from a public platform

so we could focus on the development of trainers. We have a full-time educator in there and we dip it in there. We have webinars, all kinds of tools and content that's constantly up there. There's meetings every single way. The goal for us is to level up the next generation of coaches and trainers and to really help them and it isn't to go huge. It's to really, we can't possibly make 20,000 great trainers all at once. And so it's like, we're taking groups of these trainers through and making them really good.

And so it's an exclusive group. Okay. And so it's not public for everybody, but we're opening it for seven days for free just so these people can come in and experience what it's like. During those seven days, we'll have two webinars. One of those, one of the webinars is and, or the educator, she's the one who's going to be doing that. That's more business focused on how to be a great trainer, that side of it. And then the other one is James, who James and Eli run our CRM. So the back end of our business, if you've ever been interested in email marketing and sales funnels and lead generation and how that's all automated to run and scale a business, we have a CRM side of the business. And that's a full training on that. Both webinars are

completely free. You get seven days into the group to check it out and see what it's all about. But it'll be only open for those seven days. And then we close that off again. It's what, EliteTrainorgroup.com, Doug? Correct. Yeah. And it's a school group, incredible platform. We've fallen in love with it. This is now our third group that we've created in there. It really allows us to educate and foster incredible communities. That's why we moved away from Facebook. And we're only going to open it up for the seven days of free for the small window for you to go check out. And both these webinars, if you are an aspiring, A hiring trainer are already a personal trainer and you want to build and grow your business.

These two webinars, the one that Ann is running on the business side and the one that James is running on the CRM side will be paramount to your success. I urge you to get in there for free. Speaking of groups, I told you guys, we signed up our five-year-old for soccer. Did I tell you guys this? No. So he's going to start playing soccer? First sport. Now, was it, did you even have to convince him or was he like, yes, I want to do that?

He seemed like he's like, I want to do it. So we'll see. We haven't played yet. We just showed up, got the jersey, met the team. It's this Christian Soccer League that my wife found, and everybody in there seems super cool. So he's got his little jersey. We got him cleats, got him shin guard, so he's super excited.

So he's all pumped about it. We got him a little soccer ball. So we'll see how it's funny because my three-year-old. Sportsball. Watches him, and she wants to go play soccer. Because they allow three-year-olds, but I don't know. Have you guys been kicking the ball at home? Do you have a setup?

I mean, a little bit, not much. So we'll see, we'll see how he does. We'll see if he's competitive, if he likes. You know, at that age, you know, kids are funny. They want to go play on the side without, you know, playing. Oh, I, I, you're going to have a kid that's going to be good. Maybe, huh? Oh, maybe.

You can, this is the part that, like, I, like, everyone always wants to tell me. Yeah, like, everybody just runs with the ball. You know, your son's still young and you'll see. Listen, I've been around kids my whole life on the oldest five. And you can just, you can see when a kid's got it. And really, and the most important part about it is that he... They like it. He'd love it.

They love it, right? Like, I bet your kid, if you go, let's go outside and go kick the ball, would never say no to him. Yeah, that's true. I can't convince Max to go outside of him. I cannot convince him to do that. I try every day, hey, let's go kick the ball. Hey, we go there. No, I'm cool, dad.

No, no, doesn't want to. You know, in a window of that, and then it was gone. And, dude, I joke. Every once in a while, Katrina got him to do it the other day. She's like, part of that's because his best friend, Julian, was over. over who loves football, soccer, all sports, and they were both over, and Katrina said it in front of him and said, like, hey, we should go out saying kid the third ball. And Hui-O was like, yeah, and Maxx was like, okay, and then he came out. But if he's like, yeah, no desire to do it. Where I bet your son,

anytime you ask that, would be like, hell yes. Like, so that's, I mean, that's, we'll see, we'll see. It'll be fun. It'll be fun to see how he handles losing. He doesn't handle losing very well. So we'll see about that. So anytime we play games, see, I love that too. That's going to be great lessons. Have you heard me and Katrina talk to Max about like trying to like care about like he's just, oh, oh, Daddy, you won this time. And it's like, no, bro. Not getting playing time phase. The there's people better than me phase. It's all great learning.

Oh, dude, it's so much there. It's been so great for both of my kids for sure. No, we will. Now when I play a game with him, many game, I used to just always let him win because it just wasn't worth it. If I beat him, it was just, he was so upset. I'm like, I'll wait until he's a little older. It gets really mad, right? So now when I play him, it's like three to one.

So I'll win, but then I'll let him beat me like two or three times. Yeah. I'll win, then I'll let him beat me two or three times. And he's, I'm helping him like be okay with losing because it just gets so pissed. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, we, uh, Jessica signed up for like the snacks, like managing the snacks and stuff. Oh, I can't wait to see what she brings. Well, so she doesn't, it's not just bringing it.

She's also organizing it. So you guys get a health nutted or what? Oh, yeah, bro. Of course. Of course. Yeah. Have you ever seen the snacks some parents bring? Oh, no, of course.

I know, we did the shit mainly because of that. If it wasn't so egregious, you know, we wouldn't have done all just like food water. Do you have plans for like the first water? What do you guys do? Well, I'm going to, we're going to bring Element. So I'm going to have her. Yeah. We're going to bring Big Chug.

What an awesome. Yeah. Of water with Element with the kids will love the taste. It's got the electrolytes in there, especially with hot and, you know, sunny outside. Oh, yeah, dude. I'm getting all the student athletes. On Element. Really?

Oh, yeah, dude. You're, you're so physical and active. Do they drink it on the regular? or what? They do. You know, there's certain flavors that we all compete for, and so it's just like, it's gone already. Yeah, grapefruit is definitely one of us. That's like my favorite. That one, and the black cherry one, those two. They're new ones, the new, the new skinny ones that they have, the pineapple and the lemonade ones are bald, too. I know, they've gotten, I mean, I love most all the flavors. You know, the ones I care less are the ones that I think are probably really popular,

like watermelon and black cherry, which I think is kind of, they're all right. They're all right. Yeah, they're not, I didn't think I'd like grapefruit. It ended up being our favorite. Oh, that's my favorite. That one won me over. Yeah, I don't know what it is about that, but the grape, I'm not even a grapefruit guy. I don't like grapefruit, but the grapefruit. Real grapefruit's gross.

You ever eat a grapefruit? It's bitter, dude. You like actual grapefruit? I like it. Yeah. Yeah, it's bitter. It's bitter. It's bitter.

It has a, it's a penny aftertaste. As a kid, I was like, like, sugar. You know, that used to be a diet food? Yeah. Grape food was sold in the 80s as a diet food. Really? Yes. In the morning.

In breakfast. for breakfast. And so you would see fitness, you know, whoever. Because it left such a bitter taste in your mouth. I don't know why they sold it this way. But it was like running and eating grapefruit in the morning. And you'd see people cut a half of it. I wonder what the, uh, I wonder what the sign.

There's got to be. I bet you have some sort of science. I didn't remember you eat it with a, sure. There's no signs. But there's a, there's a component in grapefruit that slows down. Maybe because of how high and vitamin C it is. Maybe like what's a, because it was a weird fruit. Nobody ate.

So they popular. Oh, so you're saying it's like the cancer or a sibearing thing. It's right. Yeah. Always an exotic fruit out there. There is a compounding grapefruit that will slow down the absorption or the clearance of certain medications. Oh, okay. Well, that could be the science of it.

Primarily due to its low-calorie, high-water content. So there you go. Oh, in the 1930s it started, the Hollywood Diet Fat? Mm-hmm. Wow. So starting the 30s. They claim that contain an enzyme that burns fat. See, I knew there would be like a science angle.

There's always a science angle. You want to know what a classic 1980s diet breakfast was. was half a grapefruit and non-fat cottage cheese. That was like a very popular common, non-fat cottage cheese and eating your grapefruit. That was like a thing in the 80s. Yeah, yeah. Which is weird because I was so young. I didn't know how I know this.

But if you look it up, you'll see. That's back in the Tab Cola days. Oh, God. And my mom drew a lot. Does that brand still exist? No. I think it may actually. What was Tab?

It's like a Diet Cola. It's like, yeah. It was the first, right? It was like the female version of Coke. I think it was. They sold it just to women. I think it was the first diet soda. It was it was it was positioned towards women.

Oh yeah. Oh, so no, it's no longer. It was, it was part of Coca-Cola. So I think they made, okay, was tap. What was the first diet soda, Doug? Look that up. I want to say tap. I think you might be right.

I think it was tab, dude. Really? Yes. And I think that they, Wow, they only, just in 2020 discontinued. They were all the way till 2020. Really? Yeah, because all their consumers got.

Did they die? Oh, so. actually 1952. Wow. Well, that would be right. Like a ginger ale called no cow. No cow? Wow.

Bro, you're so right. That's like that puts there at what, 76 or so? Yeah. Yeah. So like all their consumers passed away. They had a good run. They had a good run. It was a good brand.

Wow. What year was Tab. Yeah. So Tab was popping in the 80s. I know that. Yeah. Let's see. What says here.

163. Wow. Way before. What? Wow. Interesting. Crazy. Yep.

Wow. Oh, wait. It was, it originated as a Coca-Cola brand. So they didn't buy it like they do most everything else. No, so I think what happened was Coke was afraid to offer a diet Coke. So they made Tab and the whole thing was it. The predecessor. It was like a calorie-free soda.

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and with starter kit. You just got to use the code mind pump. Back to the show. First question is from Caroline Ruck. What are your thoughts on the high-rocks trend? I like it better than, CrossFit. The competition. It's CrossFit light. I mean, it's conditioning. It's it's conditioning. If you like conditioning, then it's, it seems

reasonable. They tend to pick movements in combinations that are lower risk of injury. It's still hard. You're still trying to tap into a wide spectrum of yeah, it's, it's, it's a it's, I would say crossfit was 80 strength training 20% cardiovascular high rocks is the flip. It's a little more cardiovascular focused and then they don't do Olympic lists.

They don't have high, yeah, Olympic lists. They don't have the high skill stuff mixed in with fatigue. They flipped it a little bit more on the cardio side and then that's really what they did.

It's interesting, right, that there's these competitions that are athletic, but they're not. It's like exercise based. It's weird. It's weird to me. It's always been weird to me.

I don't know, because I guess I'm the best that exercise. I've always used exercising to perform better at a sport. That's right. It's also, I mean, you always have to,

understand in the perspective that we come from when we answer some like this to because I'm not I don't hate high rocks I don't hate CrossFit or it's not it's just that 90% of the people that we ever talk to or ever have to help or get that callers or questions or emails which is over the course of our career and now been millions are people that want to change their physique they want to look a certain way they want to lose body fat percentage And these modalities are not the best strategy. It doesn't fit in that goal. Long term for that, you know what I'm saying?

It's a fun thing to do when you're in your 20s and early 30s, and you like to challenge yourself and you and your buddies do. Awesome, cool. But the client who comes, which is almost everybody that says, I want to look this way. I want to lose body fat. I want to build muscle. It's just not the right tool for it.

And it's not like a workout. It's a competition. Yeah, and it's not, it's not sustainable. Like if the goal for you is just to be this healthy, fit, strong, looking person for the rest of your life, uh, competition based strength training, uh, is, is not the, the approach. Could it serve a place in a, in a, in a block of time in your life? Sure. Why not?

Next question is from Healthy, but Make It Fun. Is MAP's Anabolic Advance good to run on a cut? What would be? an alternative. I just ran aesthetic. I always get this. Any program, any strength training program can be run on a cut, but I will say this. When you cut your calories

to the point where they're below you're taking, what you're burning. In other words, you're burning more than you're taking in, so your body's losing weight, hopefully body fat. You want to reduce your strength training volume and intensity. Not the reverse. Everybody's the opposite. Everybody's like, oh, it's time to get leaner.

Let me cut my calories while simultaneously doing more, more exercise and higher intensity. That's actually setting yourself up for failure because lower calories means you have a reduced ability to adapt and recover. So the best programs on a cut tend to be the lower volume ones. And not the most intense either. Because your output is going to suffer when you're low calories.

So, you know, for MAPS and Aabolic Advanced, the MAPS Anabolic, to me, I would prefer, you go that direction. You know what? Shame on us. We get this question so much. and our trainer nuanced brain resist answering this in a generic fashion. But what we should really do,

should have our editing team do this, and we should create a little, because there is, anabolic, any of the 15-minute programs more often than not are better for cuts. Yeah, you could generalize it in that direction. Because here's, because to what Sal is saying, when you're in a calorie deficit,

okay, when you're in calorie deficit for cut, you're not building. So you just want to preserve muscle. And anything that is high volume and or high intensity is going to work against you in a calorie deficit. You're not building anything at a time. And you're not recovering as much. So why would you exactly? And you don't have as much nutrients to recover.

So why would you want to push the body any harder than what you were just doing before? So what you'd want to do is really scale back intensity and volume and go into cut. Now our trainer brains that get in the way of answering this all the time is because we know it's more nuanced. And it's like, I could take any program and tell somebody to reduce the volume and intensity and doing a cut. And any program you can do a cut or, but there are some generic,

there is a good general rule that we could probably tell people like, hey, these programs are served best in a cut. Yeah, these programs, like another program would be terrible in a cut is like performance. Aesthetic. Aesthetic.

Split. Split. These are all high volume, high, yeah, high intensity. Yeah, people like programs like split and aesthetic are the ones that people like to try

Right, right. So those programs are not ideal. Now, those are great to run in a bulk or a reverse diet before you go into a cut. Then when you switch over the cut, run a lower volume type of program. So maybe we should put together something that explains that. We have a lot of 15 options to your point. Right. So, I mean, I think that would be a good...

Right. So it would be like this best programs to run in a cut, and then we'd list all the ones, like all the Maps 15s, much endabolic are probably there. Programs best run in a surplus or maintenance. and then we list all the other ones. Just to keep it cut and dry, even though the truth is you could do any of it, but I think that would help a lot of people.

Next question is from Untamed Fitness, A.U. How do you train your client who just had a breast augmentation and is very athletic and returning? What are the top exercises? So this depends on what kind of augmentation. My answer depends on it. So if it's under the muscle versus over the muscle, now a majority of augmentations done today are under the muscle.

When it's under the muscle, you will get clearance from your doctor for exercise, but in my experience with clients and also working with plastic surgeons who do this, you're better off avoiding any chest exercise for like a year. So if it's under the muscle, don't train your chest for a year. Now, what you want to do is you want to focus on strengthening your midback. Yes. You want to work on shoulder mobility. You want to maintain a good range of motion with your shoulder, good scapular mobility. strengthen the upper mid back. You can train the rest of the body.

But you want to avoid chest exercises for a while because when you contract the pecks, they press on the implant, and it can cause it to move and do different things. And so you want to take it like a year off. Now, if it's on top of the muscle when you're clear to go ahead and work out really doesn't change much.

But under the muscle, wait a year. I mean, even both, all my clients that had implants, we basically took any sort of chest exercise volume, switch it to upper, upper back stuff. And that is the, because it, it went after the surgery, you're going to be tight. And they, it will start to round the shoulders. Round the shoulders. Shoulder and shoulder becomes an issue.

And yes. And so, uh, any sort of shoulder, scapula mobility stuff and upper back exercises to develop those muscles and strengthen that posture for a year. That's the main focus. And then if and only if we had chess, it's like some incline press and that's it. And then it's not very much. And you don't have to do it. it, you absolutely could get away with not doing it.

The thing you want to be careful for with the chest exercises, you could actually cause movement with the implants and make the capsule. That's why the larger, and so then you'll see like, risk versus reward. It wasn't there for that person, you know? So we're not really trying to develop, obviously, that area. You've bought it. So we're focusing on the upper back to hold you upright and good posture.

Next question is from Jekyllivan Mann. How to progress towards reping pull-ups? I'm at a point where I can do two or three but would like to be able to do more. The best way to get better at anything is to practice it often. So we tend to look at this like a strength issue and that's part of it,

but it is a skill. So if you could do two or three pull-ups, what you would do is several times a day you would do one. One. That's it. Every day, maybe take a day off here or there. So you do like 10 throughout the entire day or 12.

Yeah, you just one. You just do one. Walk by it, two hours later, do another one. And it's got to feel easy. It's got to feel relatively easy like you're practicing it. Take days off if you feel any soreness or tightness or it starts to get hard. And over time, this is the fastest way to be able to rent pull-ups I've ever seen in my life. I've had many clients go from being able to do two or three to doing eight or ten over just months of this protocol.

Now, what about their back workouts? We actually avoided doing a lot of back exercises because they were doing pull-ups here and there every day. and just practicing this movement. You get really good, really fast, if you practice this way. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's Mind Pump Media. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body,

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