Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2828: The "Goldilocks Zone" - Build Muscle WITHOUT Bulking or Cutting

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

Most people think they need to bulk to build muscle… and cut to lose fat. But what if that approach is actually the reason you keep spinning your wheels? In this episode, we break down why the constant cycle of bulking and cutting is destroying your relationship with fitness—and what you should be doing instead. We dive into: • The "Goldilocks Zone" for sustainable progress • Why most diets feel stressful and eventually fail • How whole foods + protein can naturally guide your body • The psychology behind why people NEED the scale to move • When bulking and cutting actually make sense (and when they don't) If you're tired of starting over, this episode will completely change how you approach nutrition and training. Though if you still need help schedule a Nutrition Call with a Mind Pump Coach ! 50% Nutrition Calls (Originally $99) 45 Min Call MindPumpNutrition.com Code: April50 expires Friday April 3rd   Organifi's superfood blends make it easy and enjoyable to add more variety and nutrition to your day. These are delicious organic powders you can add to water, and enjoy any time for more energy, nutrition, hormone balance, and peace of mind. They're a great way to jumpstart your morning, energize your afternoon, or nourish your evening "Organifi Green Juice , Organifi Red Juice, Organifi Gold, Organifi Pure, Organifi Complete Protein and PEAK POWER!!! ⇨⇨go to http://organifi.com/mindpump Code "MINDPUMP" for 20% off   There's a completely new way to optimize your health. Give it a try. ⇨⇨go to troscriptions.com/MINDPUMP Use code "MINDPUMP" for 10% off your first order   LMNT now has 12oz Sparkling Cans. LMNT can help prevent and eliminate headaches, muscle cramps, fatigue, sleeplessness, and other common symptoms of electrolyte deficiency.When you sweat, the primary electrolyte lost is sodium - athletes can lose up to 7 grams per day. When sodium is not replaced, it's common to experience muscle cramps and fatigue. http://drinklmnt.com/MindPump No code to "Get a free Sample Pack of LMNT's most popular drink mix flavors with any purchase! Find your favorite LMNT flavor, or share with a friend." As always, LMNT offers no-questions-asked refunds on all orders.   00:00 Stop Bulking & Cutting (Main Fit Tip) 07:30 Why Bulking/Cutting Feels Easier Psychologically 15:00 The "Goldilocks Zone" (Maintenance & Recomp Explained) 25:30 Whole Foods, Protein & Listening to Your Body 35:00 Why Most People Quit (Stress, Tracking, Obsession) 48:00 Coaching Strategy: Building Trust Without the Scale 59:00 Intro Ends → Transition Into Q&A 1:05:00 When You SHOULD Bulk or Cut (Edge Cases) 1:18:00 Listener Question 1 – Struggling to Eat Enough / Appetite Signals 1:32:00 Listener Question 2 – Fat Loss Without Tracking Calories 1:46:00 Listener Question 3 – Recomp vs Cutting for Active Individuals 1:58:00 Listener Question 4 – Sustainable Nutrition Long-Term

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and stop trying to cut. It's destroying your experience. It's making this impossible. You're not progressing and you stop because of it. Stop trying to bulk and cut. Let's talk about it. What? Yeah, I know.

Where's this coming from? Well, so, you know, just through talking through, or talking to a lot of callers, that call him, and I get the whole bulk and cut process and why we do it. It's like 90% of our callers coming to that. Yeah, so for people listening, we weren't familiar with those two terms, just real quick. A bulk is the attempt to eat more than you're burning so you can gain muscle. I don't think anybody bulks to gain body fat. And then a cut is the attempt at reducing your calories below what you're burning.

in order to cause fat loss. And so someone listening might be like, well, that's why I'm working out. I'm trying to accomplish one or the other or both. And the challenge with it is this constant attempt at manipulating your diet and counting these things. For a lot of people, makes the experience so, for lack of a better term, unenjoyable,

makes it stressful to the point where they eventually stop because it's stressful. It sucks. It makes eating feel either restrictive or structure, too structured. And it changes the entire workout experience to be really only about accomplishing a particular goal, which I get that. People have fitness goals. I get that. But when I coached and trained people, everybody had a fitness goal.

My goal was always, can I get this person to do this for the rest of their life? So regardless of what your goal is, which I'll help you get to, my goal. goal as a coach is can I get this person to a place where they enjoy doing this. And oftentimes this structured, I got to do this bulk. I got to eat this much or I got to eat this little kind of kills the whole thing and turns it into this experience that really, really sucks. So then the question is always like, well, what do I do? How do I eat? Like, what do I do here? What's interesting, and again, I've experienced this with clients and even myself, is if you eat a particular way, we'll talk about, because I'm sure you guys have some input.

But there are ways to eat where your body kind of directs you in a way to where you eat more when your body's trying to build. If you're a bit overweight in terms of body fat, your body actually has you eat an appropriate amount and you start to lose body fat. And the progress appears to be more of a recomp than it does this dramatic cut in bulk, you know, type of thing. Yeah, I think I'd like to propose an argument to that. Sure. I actually think that the cutting and bulking process eases people's mind and simplifies the process of recomping. just because when you when you try it the ideal place I think to be

and I think we're probably most of us probably land isn't kind of like this what we call it we're trying land in this Goldilocks zone where it's just a it's like a recomp you're not aggressively bull I don't think you're trying to push in one direction yeah I don't think any of us really aggressively bulk or cut you can make that argument back in my competing days

I did stuff like that but for the most part I think I just eat somewhere around maintenance which puts me in this sometimes, which is, I think, an ideal to your argument, an ideal place for people to be, both, I think, physically and psychologically. But I think the reason why bulking and cutting has been so popular and why we tend to use it as a tool is because I think people have a really hard time staying in that Goldilocks zone where the scale doesn't really move north or south when they have a goal of, I want to lose fat

or I want to build muscle. and simplifying it by putting them in a bulk, say, the person who wants to build muscle. So they see some sort of potential movement in the direction they think they're going, even though it may not even be muscle, but they see some sort of like, I'm trying to bulk, I'm trying to build. So the fact that I'm up three pounds on the scale feels like a positive reinforcement. And so I stay the course type of deal. And vice versa, I'm trying to lean out, I'm trying to cut, I'm trying to lose body fat. And so I'm reducing my calories significantly, and I see the scale goes down a little bit. And so I think that that strategy tends to ease people a little bit that, okay, I think I'm going the right direction.

But I see your argument. But I think the reason why it's tough for the average person is I think the average person struggles to be there. Yeah, I think they lack knowledge on some level in terms of what they're actually putting in their body. they're blissfully sort of, they have an idealistic opinion about how they eat until they actually, you know, put that on paper. But I agree with the initial statements, like you kind of want to work your way to this place where it's like, it's basically maintenance or recomp or it's, you know, you're serving this as more of a long-term health strategy and goal where I can maintain what I'm doing without being too hyper-focused on fluctuating into the extremes.

So, yeah, I think that at least initially, I think it's helpful to kind of put parameters out there of like, okay, this is where my maintenance really is. This is where, you know, deficits lie. Like if I'm going to go, you know, extreme in that or extreme here, you can at least have a basis for getting a portion of, you know, this meal, I can just slightly reduce that meal. Or I could slightly add to this meal. Like you need some kind of like homeostasis. Well, I agree with your statement about that the end goal should be what he's saying.

Like, I definitely agree that ultimately that's where I wanted to take all my clients. Ultimately, I want to find this homeostasis of where you're eating where you're in a satisfied place and, you know, and you know. It's not a stress. You're not thinking about it. Yeah, it's not a stress. You're not tracking or pushing really hard to gain or cutting really hard to lose. You're in this really nice place. But my argument is that most people aren't there.

In fact, most people do better with some sort of a focus on a cut or a bulk until maybe, to Justin's point, that experience and knowledge gets there that it's like, oh, I don't need to move the scale in order to be successful. and I don't need to hyper push or focus in a direction and I can get incredible health and there are there are cases I do want to be clear there are cases where um a targeted uh bulk or targeted cut might be important um i'll give an example you have somebody who has uh who's had eating disorders for much of their life um and their idea of eating enough is really off it's just really off. When they eat enough, like what's appropriate

to them, it feels like too much. I'm stuffed. I don't feel good. Yeah. So with that person, you kind of have to recalibrate them. But for a lot of people,

by the way, this is what my training looked like in the back half of my career. The first half of my career was all cutting and bulking. It was all this stuff. The back half of my career asked me how many times

I would take clients and have them figure out what they need to eat and get them to a cut or a bulk. What it looked like at the end was we're going to focus on, like there were parameters, but it looked like this. Like you're going to eat whole foods. Feed your activity, really.

Yeah, you're going to eat whole foods. That's what you're going to focus on. Really try and stick to that most of the time as much as you possibly can. Make your meals protein-centric. Don't skip meals. When you're hungry, eat. When you feel satisfied, stop. And towards the back half of my career, this is what my nutrition advice look like.

Now, there was coaching through this because although it sounds simple, there's still challenges, right? If you go from 70% of your calories come from processed food like most people to whole food, there's some coaching that's involved. No, not skipping meals or eating appropriate, like, you know, meal prepping. Like, there's some coaching involved. But there's this, there's this presupposition. There's this assumed, you know, status of people. There's this assume, like, we assume that our appetite signals are not to be trusted. Yeah. We assume that if a person just eats, when they're hungry, they're all going to end up obese. That's not true.

That's only true when you feed yourself food that has been engineered to make you overeat. Then if you listen to your systems of satiety or appetite, well, yeah, you are going to be obese. But when you eat whole natural foods, again, except for the extremes, here's what ends up happening. This is what I end up finding towards the end of my career. When I would have guys, when I would coach guys in this way, and they'd kind of start to follow this, they would eventually fall around 15, 16, 17% body fat. This is where they ended up. Everybody.

Everybody ended up here. We weren't trying to cut. We weren't trying to do anything. We all kind of fell in this body fat percentage. Everybody got stronger. Everybody built muscle. My female clients, they would fall somewhere between 21 to 25, maybe 26% body fat. Everybody just kind of fell.

Pretty healthy range. In these healthy, leanish body fat percentages without, really counting anything, really only paying attention to I'm eating when I'm hungry, I'm eating protein-centric and I'm sticking to whole natural foods. And what this looked like for someone who is really overweight is they would see fat loss. For somebody who needed to build muscle, we'd see a lot of muscle gain. For people who were kind of in this average range, we would see a nice trade of fat loss with muscle gain.

But it was a stress, kind of stress-free approach. And they didn't go through the challenges that you. you'll often see with like structured cuts and structured bolts. Like I'll give another example. I was talking to my cousin recently. My cousin does jiu-jitsu also lifts weights. So he's active. And he's,

his body fat came back at 18%. He's like, I want to get down to like 15, 16%. So it was dropped like 3%. Not a big deal. And he goes, you know, what should I do?

How do I go on a cut? So well, there's two ways we could do this. I said, A, we could track your calories and put you in a deficit. And then you'll drop. that 3% body fat and it'll probably take us six weeks, something like that.

Or you could do this, and I told them what I'm saying. I said, hey, hit your body weight and protein, eat it first, stick to whole natural foods, eat when you're hungry, and that's it. Now, you'll still drop body fat. It won't happen as fast. However, in the structured cut, here's what you're going to notice. Here's some of the side effects. Your performance is going to drop in jujitsu and in your workouts because you're in this

kind of bigger deficit. If you do what I'm saying, I don't think you're going to notice it drop from performance at all. and it'll take longer. You're not going to drop 3% body fat in six weeks. It might take more like 12 weeks or 18 weeks, but the whole time you're going to feel good and it's not going to feel like this structured thing.

And the odds of rebound are way lower because you're not coming out of a cut, you know, type of deal. You know, there's a bit of bias that we have, that we have to factor in when we give advice like this, I think that it pertains to what Justin was saying about the education piece that I think is so important. I realized that the clients that I got the back half of my career were much easier to deal with because they were all referrals. So when you came to me later on, it was like, tell me what to do.

You already helped. My friend Christine told me that you're the best at this. And so I could give advice like that. Like, hey. Or you actually gave better advice because of your experiences. So you distilled it. down to the crux. Both. Both is true. Both is true. But nonetheless, it's biased because you don't get the average client. You get a client who's coming to you with, I already

trust and believe everything you're saying, where I think the average person or average trainer, even if you're knowledgeable and you listen to this podcast and you give a lot of this advice, still has that challenge of like they have to educate the client still to get them to hop on that I think the argument you're making at him is maybe something like this, because I can see where you're going. It's like, I got to show someone movement on the scale. Right. Otherwise, they're going to be like, this is taking too long. Right.

Yeah, no, I get that. And they're also, we know how deceiving the mirror, all those things can be. And so you're telling them like, just trust me, trust this process. And we want to hover. And they're like, I don't look good. I don't feel like I'm getting any change. And so they have hardwired expectations. Right.

So it tends to be a little bit easy. to say, hey, we're going to go on a bulk. This is what to happen. This is what to expect. And it's like, and so it's easier to prep for that. And then to show that you have that control and ability to manipulate their look, their weight, their strength, all these things. So that I then have the trust to go, okay, this is how we, this is the place we want to be

where we, you talk about your clients, how they, but I mean, we're all biased because by the time we are at the, you know, whatever level you want to call us when we were great trainers or good trainers, that I bet, you. Each of us in here were out fishing for brand new people who didn't trust us. We got clients that were like bought into our philosophy. You know, you're not wrong, but I'll add this. Because to what Justin was saying, the way I coached and trained people was different. I would steer people away from the scale and the mirror.

And I started to point out all the improvements that they normally wouldn't have noticed because they're so hyper-focused on the scale in the mirror. Yeah. So my clients, when they would come to me and we'd have these conversations, and believe me, like any coach or trainer listening. Get into their subconscious more. They know this. Like if you're a trainer or coach, you know this. Okay. Or even if you're not and you're a person who hires a trainer, they would come to me and they'd say, no, I want to do this.

I want you to tell me what to do. And I want to lose that and lose that. And so, or gain this. And so it was a conversation. But then what I would do through my training is I show them, you just did two more reps. You're stronger here. how's your sleep? Oh my God, I'm sleeping better.

How's your energy? You know, I don't need that third coffee in the day. Hey, did you know, do you notice your back doesn't hurt when we do bent over rows? Like we tried five weeks ago and we couldn't do them. Now we're doing, do you notice your back doesn't hurt? And so they started to see all these other improvements which kept them going. And then eventually what would happen is they'd say things like, I'm getting leaner. What's going on?

Like, this is weird. I don't feel like I'm trying really hard. And then I knew I had them. And then I knew like, no, no, no, this is working. But it is a lot of conversations. Yeah. And I totally get it. Like almost nobody enters into a fitness program saying, what's your goal?

I want to do this forever. Nobody says that. Everybody says, I want to specific. I want to build muscle, burn body fat. I want to change the way this looks or change the way that looks. But the real challenges figuring out how to do this forever. And look, I'm going to say this right now. our bodies are not broken, everybody.

The problem is you're feeding your body food that was designed to make you overeat and you live in a world that's designed to make you not move. It's not your body that's broken. It's this environment that we in. If we just change the inputs a little bit, like you could still eat and eat until you're satisfied, just eat foods that your body knows when to say stop. It knows when to say eat more because that's what will happen too. I had many clients through this process that would get so scared because we'd start training.

They'd listen to me and start eating whole natural foods, but we're strength training. And what they would do is they come to me and be like, my appetite is through the roof. Why am I so hungry, Sal? I don't want to keep eating this much. And I would tell them, no, no, eat when you're hungry because we're building muscle right now. Your body's actually telling you that you need to eat more food, listen to it. And it's really interesting. And I do think so many people are ruining their experience in the relationship with fitness.

because they're so hyper-focused on macros, cutting, bulking, I got to do this, I got to do that thing, that it becomes this really stressful process to the point when other life stresses start to get high, it's just overwhelming. I don't want to do this anymore. I'm done. I'm going to stop.

I just want to enjoy my life. Yes, interesting because it is definitely, like, an advantage to have a coach identifying those things and being able to forecast it. and, you know, tell you're going to run into this. And, you know, to be able to kind of calm their own urges to, you know, to just fully cut or to fully bulk or, you know, so I think that, you know, it simplifies it. So you can make an argument like the cut in bulk, like initially. It's like kind of the new trainer.

That's like the easy way to handle that situation instead of like really identifying. a lot of those things that are going on in their process of, of, you know, cutting out the processed food and really sticking with whole natural foods. You have to kind of identify those things and really, you know, have them visualize it and go through that. Well, the truth is that, and I know for sure that each of you would handle this case by case

because there's clients that come to you and the first hour, they're communicating to you, their goals, their challenges, their previous history with diet and workout and with that. And where you, where, how you guide them is completely dependent on that. Of course. You know, there's, there's a, there's a scenario, there's a scenario example for, uh, someone that you absolutely put on a cut or absolutely put on a bulk or absolutely tell them, we're not going to do either that. We're like, and so the question becomes, you know, where do it, And I think that's where my argument is right now is that I think that most people aren't ready for kind of hovering around that place yet.

I think they have to go through the education process of even knowing what, you know, 150 grams of protein looks like, knowing what. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you still have to do that. You still got to feel like, what is protein-centric? Do I have an egg? Yeah. No, no, like it's probably more like 30 to 40 grams.

And what does it look like when I actually intentionally try and eat in a surplus of calories? And what does that feel like when I do that? And what does it feel like when I decided to restrict a little bit? I mean, that's the other thing, too. I've always had to communicate is like there's this idea of like, you know, being in a cut, you won't feel hungry. Of course you're going to feel hungry. Of course.

If it's a specific, if it is a directed, structured cut. Right, right. And so to me, there's a bit of, there's a bit of an education process that goes through the teaching of cutting and bulking. Totally. I think the people that I'm talking to know who I'm talking to right now. I think there's people listening We're like, oh, God.

And I know who you're talking to. Like over and over. Right, right. There's people that are beyond that. They understand what their macros are. They know what maintenance probably is. It could even be the beginner right now that's overwhelmed with all of it. And it's like, okay, what do I do?

How many calories? What do I? And it's like, oh, really? Just eat that? Just eat whole natural foods? Eat high protein meals. Eat at first. That's all I got to do.

A big weight off of this. Yeah. But to your point, Adam, I had, I mean, look, I was on a coaching call with Will. and one of his clients. Now, this woman had been impatient several times for anorexia. And she had just gotten released. And she wanted to hire a coach. And so she hired one of our coaches.

My advice to her was not listen to your appetite signals. Because if she listens to her appetite signals, she's not going to eat because it's off. So my advice to her was, this is going to feel uncomfortable. You're going to eat well beyond. what you think is enough because your idea of enough is so off that you have to relearn what that feels like. I mean, I guess that's where I'm coming from too is that I have that in the back of my mind right now because I know that Katrina is booking a call for me to hop on with Corinne and one of her clients. And I know that her client struggles with eating enough.

That's right. And I know that if I tell her to listen to her body, if I tell her to listen to her body, she's going to be like, oh, I'm stuffed all the time. It's just like, yeah, your signal is off. And you need to be in a bulk. And we need to understand that there's going to be a bit of this uncomfortable feeling. And so, yeah. And I guess, again, back to the point that this is what makes personal training so special and so unique, right, is that there's some general. There's some general rules.

There's some principles that, you know, over decades of training so many people that we've really distilled down to some, like, core values of like, eat whole foods, hit your protein. That's going to work for, like, 90% of the people. for like 90% of the way. You always get those wrenches. But exactly. There's always going to that. It's not like a blanket statement of like just do that. It's like there's going to be these people that come to you that, oh, no, this is somebody

who I need to put in a... You should hear my cousin's feedback too because he's doing this right now. So he's trying to eat 200 grams of protein a day, stick to whole natural foods. And remember, his goal is to drop about 3% body fat. Yeah, but he's stuffed. He's like, he's like, I can't eat that much protein. Yeah, yeah, he's stuffed. He's like, I can't do it.

I'm like, well, you're going to be in a natural car. There you go. That's what you wanted. It limits you. I said, do you feel like you're dieting right now? He's like, no. I said, that's exactly the point. But yeah, I think the people who know, people who should hear this, no, because they're hearing this right now and they're like, oh, yeah, this is overwhelming. This is stressful. I don't want to live like this anymore. And again, the premise that the average person just humans in general have this appetite that if we let it run wild, we're going to go crazy.

that's not true with natural food. It's just not. It's only true with food with drug-like effects that have been engineered to be that way. That's why we overeat for the most part. Well, this is why I was such a fan of Whole 30 when it was created. It was such a good... That's right.

You know, talk about there's not a lot of diets or modalities that I think I get way behind and be like, oh, that's really... Most people would be very well served to spend 30 days of just... Like, because it's hard. Let's be honest. It's very hard. Especially for the average American.

I mean. You're radically changing how you eat something. Yeah. Just a lot of people eat out and eat a lot of processed foods. And so it does take some serious planning to plan a month of I'm only going to eat. You know what's another part of that too? We actually talked about this. I don't know if this was with a collar.

I think it was with a caller recently. But I had this realization that we've taken meal preparation, which used to be. this communal. It used to be a great way to spend time with people, and it turned into like a job I got to do real quick. And I'm just going to say this, like straight up,

like husbands and wives, you guys are looking for time to spend together while you do something and have time to talk. Meal prep together. It's a hack for sure. It's some of my favorite time that I ever spend with my wife is when her and I are cooking together.

It's like a great way to connect. And we're going to do it anyway. way, but why don't we turn it into this, like, by the way, if you have kids, include your kids. My wife is great at this. She'll send me pictures. And I have a little kid. I got a three-year-old and a five-year-old. So it's not much they could do, but what they can do is, like, peel things, throw things in the blender.

And so she'll involve them. She'll put them at stations, and they'll do this. And she turns cooking meals into this wonderful experience for the family. And I think that's such a hack, because now you've not just, you have the value of meal prepping. you don't just have the value of eating whole natural foods that are healthy, but now you've added the value of connection and this kind of community effect, which just makes it so much. Now it's something I look forward to.

Yeah. We're trying to, we're in the process. We're on day three, we're a third day. We're getting there. We're teaching Max how to make me coffee in the morning. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, French press. Oh, wow.

Yeah, yeah, it's great. I mean, I have all the right tools. With the hot water and everything? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, I want it to be a little risky, right? So I want to say, yeah, it has to be a little like, he's, we got, this again, his school is so cool. His school sends him home with this kind of thing for parents. And it's like their age breakdown from, you know, one to three, I think three to five, five to seven, seven to nine.

The different things they should be capable to do in the house. And so it's just like, oh, wow, we're, there's some things in here that we're not making them do. We're not in court doing more of. and so we're trying to incorporate that. And one of them was like, you know, making breakfast or doing things like that for himself. And I was like, you know what? He's in this like money earning phase right now too.

So I'm going to like pay him a dollar for every time he makes coffee. Of course. And so, yeah, so I'm trying to teach him how to make coffee right now. But he's already connected that cleaning the toilets is $10 and doing coffee is a dollar. And so he's like trying to get me to pay more for the. Tell them they're both connected. You make dad coffee. You'll get to clean.

He's trying to get me to pay more for coffee. I'm like, I'm not paying you. Starbucks is already overpriced. $3. I'm definitely not paying you $10 for a cup of coffee. They're going backwards. Dude, that's a little. Yeah, yeah. It's funny watching them try and do it right now. So we'll see if it backfires on me or if it works out. But that's my goal. I want to ask you guys, Adam, you're the one. You've been using the troscriptions

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There's a form of gabba. Is that what it is? In the calm that crosses the blood brain barrier. So traditional GABA, which is a neuroinhibitory compound. So it basically calms the brain.

If you take traditional GABA and you feel it, Scott actually made a point of this. He said it's because you have a leaky gut. Okay. It's not supposed to, you're not supposed to feel it. It's too big of a molecule.

But they have a form of GABA in there that crosses the blood brain barrier. So when you take it, you feel. Okay, so explain this to me because I've always been a fan of Ned's product, right? But I feel this more than I feel that. You have a magnesium. You probably need magnesium. Okay. But this is not filling nutrient deficiencies.

These are compounds that actually have like physiological effects. So it's not just filling a nutrient deficiency. It's like, this has an effect. So Ned didn't have GABA then Oh, that's why Oh, so that's the GABA that I'm probably feeling Because I couldn't wrap my brain around why There's a Garen in there

And then this sleep one I believe has the GABA, Doug If I'm not mistaken, pull that one up So there's compounds He was on the, oh he's on the calm No, no, no, go on Troplus calm. That's the one I was on, yes Okay, all right. Let me go find the sleep here

No, and then there's the duo Right there. That's it, nah, gabab mic duo. That's the one. Yeah, see that's the, combo right there. Yeah. You put those together and... So I take, I take the calm about an hour first. And then right before bed. And then right before bed, I take the other one. And then Justin, have you been doing the methylin blue? Yeah. Yeah, I have consistently. Yeah, it's helped a lot with my energy. Usually when I drive home,

like, I seriously have been having this issue where I'm like, I bonks so hard. Oh, I'm like, dozing off and I'm driving. I'm waking myself up and playing a lot of music. But yeah, there's a lot of, but yeah, there's a lot of, I'm, There's just moments, a lot more times during the day where I've just like crashed that it's just, it's been consistently good now. So he recommended to me that I take the, the methylin blue in the morning early and as part of my sleep routine. What is it about that that, because that's the one that's the mitochondrial efficiency. And so it's supposed to help with just better mitochondrial health.

But if you take it too late, it's a bit energizing. So if you take it at night, then it might interfere with sleep. Okay. Yeah. Because that's the one I've been really good about the. calm and sleep consistent. I haven't been as consistent with the, the methylin blue. And then there's cortisepin in there, which is an interesting compound from corticeps, which has got an effect on increasing REM sleep. Oh, this is part of, this is part of what's in the sleep. Corticepon,

the CBN. The CBON. Yeah, dude. And it has five milligrams of melatonin. When you, the blue pea is funny, though. I got used to it, man. It's so funny. Because, I mean, I have a weird story. I don't feel like. I'll go outside and like pee on the tree you know and I forgot that I was like you know taking methlin blue a lot my son saw it oh no what he said he's like what he was so confused dude

why's your pee blue he's too young to scare he could have made up a total bad oh no what does that mean son yeah yeah exactly I could have made of a story or something you should probably be a really good boy I don't know if I'm to be around I just was threw me off because I was like what it just became normal now

That's hilarious. Yeah, I'm peeing blue. That's so funny. Dude, I got, oh, speaking of supplements. Did you guys see the post that, I'm going to pull it up, that Mike Matthews did on the study that they did on supplements? Oh, dude, watch this. I'm going to pull this up. So there was a 2025 study that tested 200 popular sports supplements.

And they tested them for banned substances. Okay. Banned substances. Banned. So, okay. So this is like anabolic and... 200 supplements. 1 third of them contained banned drugs.

One third of them. What was in the category of these sport supplements? What thought? Like athletic performance, strength, you know, muscle building, neutropic, pre-workout, whatever. Was it John Jones? I remember some fighters making this claim a long time ago. And I'm like, is that true? You know, because they were seeing it.

It was like spiked. Bro, they found, here's what they found. Okay. Now, this is a lot. Bro, that's one third. Okay? That's a lot. That's a big old chunk.

No wonder the FDA is trying to regulate supplements. These sublime comes so stupid. They're going to bring it on themselves. Here's what they found in some of them. One of them they found a SARM. Oh, wow. Which, like, that's not even a, that's not even an approved drug. Yeah.

Okay. A SARM. There were banned stimulants. There were amphetamine-like drugs. ADHD. medications and cardiac drugs. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah. That just goes to show to... Well, you know what? This cretees is making. It's working. Well, I mean, that just goes to show you, they know the power of just a supplement that people feel. Yes.

They want you to feel something. So you feel something from it, you know what I'm saying. Have you guys seen this study? I don't know if I ever showed you guys this. Where they, I don't know what you call them, the boner pills category, right? Like sex supplements or whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They did a whole bunch of them.

They tested a whole. whole bunch of them. Yeah. And a, like a significant percentage of them had. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Like Viagra. I actually put the drug in there.

Oh, yeah. Like, this works. Well, that's what they used to do with the old fake steroid stuff, right? They used to put like real, like testosterone and real stuff inside it. Did you make people, they used to do things that would? Well, they didn't have to back in the day. They were legal. Did you guys know?

By the way, did you guys ever take Superdrawl in the early 2000s? Do you guys remember that one? I don't know if I took Superdrawl. Which one did you do? I took the one that... I didn't do any of the pro-hormones stuff. The one I did take was the one that Mark McGuire got in trouble for. Oh, Andrew Stannadale?

Yes. Oh, that's nothing. Actually, I tried that one. And I did the trend one that ended up getting knocked off the counter also. So I've done... I did a few of the designers. So I remember in the early 2000s, okay, super drawl design, what they call it? Pro hormone.

It's not a hormone, it's a pro-hormone. It's before hormones. It turns into a hormone. So they kind of like sold it that way. It was called Super Drawl. And I'll never forget, I took it. And I was like, wow. Like I got like no joke.

I probably added 30 pounds to my bench press in like two weeks. Well, that's all the trend was. Do you know what super? Do you know who uses Super Drawl now? Powerlifters and bodybuilders. They say it's stronger than Anadryl, which is one of those classic steroids. What? Yeah, dude.

It's a real stereo. Well, I remember that. It's a designer story. That, I forgot the brand of that, that trend, the trend over the counter was, but I remember it was so strongly that I took two bottles back to back and I had side effects. I started to get Gano Camascia from it. That sucks from a supplement?

Yes, from a supplement. I was like, this is crazy. So you know I had something. Bro, super drawls now a black market steroid, dude. I bought that at the store. At the supplement store, dude. I'm like, this is my favorite supplement. Well, yeah, bro, you're taking steroids, dude.

That's crazy. That's the supplement industry for you. these and gentlemen. You've got to be very, very good. Got to your own research. Okay, here's some good news on supplements. And Doug's been using the supplement for a while. Natokanez.

Am I saying that right, Doug? Natokinase. You got to say it in a Japanese way, don't you? Yeah, with a nato party. Okay. Natto canase. Where did you get this? Well, I've heard about it for a long time.

He's so undercover about everything. No, I share these things. I'm not secretive. Come on. Probably so secretive about everything. It's just hard to get a word in edgewise. You always deep. Get out of you with that.

bullshit. We've been together for over 10 years. I can't get a worded edgewise. We're going to tell you guys about that tax break you guys could have had. Ah, come on. We met the girl he's dating like three years after they were dating. Hey, I am a little secret.

What can I say? He's like, wait a time about that. So anyway, I'd heard first heard about notto-chinase because of, you know, like supporting spike protein. Removal. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes.

So this was a big study, Doug. This is crazy. They took over a thousand people. COVID shot spike? Yes. And COVID, yeah. Spike protein. So it was part of that protocol, that one doctor said,

that you could use to get rid of spike proteins. Yes. But that's not what the study shows. So this is on arterial plaque and heart health. They had over a thousand people take nato canes for a year. I hope I said that. I like this. So this is what they, dude, this is,

wild. Every person had an ultrasound at the start and another at 12 months. The people who were taking 10,800, I don't know what FU stands for per day. It's not what you think, Justin. It's a, it's a measurement. Doug, look that out for me. I'm surprised. I'm embarrassed. I don't know what that is. Here's what they found. At that dose, carotid artery plaque shrank up to 36%. Wow. 36%. Artereal wall thickness decreased by 21% on average. Those are big numbers. 77% of the people showed measurable improvements

in arterial wall thickness. 66% showed measurable reduction in plaque size. Improvement rates across all markers range from 66 to 95% the majority of all 1,000 people. What rivals that, Sal? They saw total cholesterol went down,

LDL went down, triglycerol went down, HDL went up. This is like... Do we even have a pharmaceutical drug that can, this is either as good or better. Well, that's what I'm saying. What would compare to that? There's a lot of things you could take to help.

On the pharmaceutical side. Yes. But they all have side effects. There were no adverse effects recorded at all. Interesting. Yes. It's crazy. Now, they co-administered it with vitamin K2 and low-dose aspirin, but that's it.

Fibronolytic units. Fibronil nolytic units. I don't know what that was. Measures the potency and enzymatic. It breaks down fibrin, a protein involved in blood clotting. Dude, this is like... It's something that everybody should kind of take. Why would you not to...

For heart health? Prophalactative. Yeah. For heart health, this is remarkable. Yeah. It's really, really good. Of course, Doug doesn't show us. And this was...

This guy. He's like, I'm trying to live long. After one of us has a heart attack, then he let's... You should have been taking that dinokinize, whatever. I'm going to tell you everything now. Everything. Everything. But isn't that remarkable?

That's like a huge measurable effect on just like a cheap... Now, we don't have any sort of partnership or sponsorship or anything to do this. Who does the... Well, I mean, Cabral has... Oh, Cabral does. Yeah, Equalife. They have a version. Oh, they do.

In fact, one of his emails was highlighting the fact that this, you know, can address plaque buildup. And I responded to it and bought some... Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't tell you. I'm sorry. Well, I started taking it Oh, you take it too

I just started taking it like You gotta listen to this show I'm less I'm less I got a slum I'm good, yeah yeah It could take him an hour and a half Just to get through all the stuff that he takes me So I don't even want to hear everything he's taking

I've been taking it for probably two months Or three months or so This was, I remember we did our full body scan Yeah But it didn't look at artery health right It looked for like pre-cancer stuff And I still have yet to schedule I'm actually going to go see a doctor soon because I want to schedule one of those ultrasounds

where they look at all your arteries to see if you have any, any bill. Just as a precaution, I actually have a family member who at my age had a heart attack, not that long ago, which is kind of wild. Yeah. And I just found another friend of mine at my age had cardiac arrest. So I think we're getting the age now. We start to hear these weird things. So, you know, usually supplements I would take in the past were related to muscle building

or performance. Now I'm more interested in kind of longevity stuff. Yeah. So for the past few months, I've been taking... Interesting. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah.

Have you guys seen... I haven't watched SNL in a really long time, but there was like a clip, and I was watching it, and it was interesting because... So they were trying to kind of dig at RFK and, like, a lot of the health movement that he's making and kind of attacking Big Pharma and all that. And so there was this one sketch, which is...

I mean, it was... reasonably amusing, but it was like they're taking this guy through like the ER and like, quick, give me a steak. And they're like, inject them with methyl in blue. And, you know, and they're going through all these like things like we bring up as like, you know, like preventative like supplements. And they're just like throwing all that at them and like totally like putting a dig and at, you know, this space. And I'm sure it's like a dig at Joe Rogan. And like, you know, know, all that kind of stuff. But it's, it was interesting for me to see, like, that other side of the culture that's, like,

still, in a course, like, we're not out here, like, promoting for interventions, like, on the, you know, Western medicine's amazing for, you know, acute trauma. And, like, yeah, it's, like, it's silly and stupid. I know it's a joke, but it's, it's just kind of funny because that, that puts it, like, that thought in, you know, other people that, like, have these preconceptions that, like, oh, this is all bullshit, you know. And it's like, doesn't even fit in that category. No, it's not the same.

Yeah. I have a news article I'm going to read. Just because, not because it's because I think we should talk about the news article. But I just want to see if I can read it without you guys laughing. Oh. Yeah. So this is, it's real. This is a real news article.

It's the most amusing title I've ever read my entire life. So this is ABC News Chicago. Quadruple amputee cornhole champion. facing murder charges in fatal shooting. That's not real. Yeah, it is, dude. Yeah, it is, bro. Dick James is accused of fatally shooting the front scene passenger as a vehicle

during an argument in La Plata, Maryland. So he's the quadruple amputee cornhole champion. Wait, quadruple ampute. He's got no arms or no legs. How did he shoot him? He's got, I think he's got, it shows pictures, he's got arms like to his elbows. Okay.

And, and, um, yeah, dude. And so he's a champion at cornhole and then he shot someone. Wow. He's in trial. Yeah. There's so, I have so many questions. Is that real? Yeah.

Look, look, look. I told you, bro. Professional corner. This is real? Yeah. Wow. Wow. That's, that's like you like put a bunch of things.

I have a lot of questions. I shake it up. Oh, there's what they got. Throw him cornhole. Yeah, dude. See? What? Wow.

How did he shoot? someone though like there's he doesn't have i bro you become a professional cornhole for all this is a mystery is easier yeah maybe that's how the argument started yeah yeah won that last match he's like yeah you can't I can't shoot you know you can't

what blam yeah yeah I know we're laughing it's terrible but yeah I'm Maryland Maryland as you said that's absurd you had to be so careful with the AI stuff dude now I know dude I had to double multiple times I've sent things now where I'm I'm like, man, I can't say anything anymore without how, like, it's so lame that I have to go do.

So it's on Fox News is real, right? Yeah, right. I do. That's what this, so this was, uh, the, um, the late, did you see the viral video of the lady acting like she was a dog in front of the grocery store? Oh, and the dog attacked her? Yes, the dog, you know, that was AI. Yeah, it had to be.

Okay. So that was fake. You knew it. Oh, wow. But it went viral like crazy and so many people coming out sharing it and thinking it was real. And then. I'm just laughing because I can just imagine if that really happened. I did.

Yeah. It looked really real, that it was plausible. And so, but that's how it gets you, right? It's like, it's something that's plausible like that. And then it does a good job. It's like, man, there's so much of this is going to be going on where people, you're just, will we, do you think, do you think you stop sending stuff for your buddies? You know what's AI is doing? AI is detecting AI.

I see that on X. So something will get posted and then someone will underneath it say, hey, Grock, is this real? And then Grock will say, there's an 87% chance or whatever. this is AI. Yeah. Well, there needs to be that, I feel like, within the next iterations of these, like, social media platforms, if they could have that as options, you can scan it first before you share it.

It is kind of cool, though, how it organically, we kind of self-police it, though. Yeah. So, like, what, you can. You have to check the comments. Oh, yeah, you check the comments. A lot of times, you'll see, and that's my telltel to go do a little digging is if I see a hand, if I see more than one person who. Oh, this is AI.

Yeah. Like, oh, wow, maybe this is. And then I'll read. Dude, there's a picture that keep people keep. Yeah, we're in a weird spot with that. There's a series of photos that people keep saying are real. But I can't believe that they're real from the Epstein. Oh, yeah, with Stephen Hawking.

Dude. It's in a dress. Bro, it's Bill Clinton. Did you look it up to see if it was real or not? One of them. People are saying it's real. One of them said, yeah, they screened it through a lot of the AI detection. And it was past.

Yeah. And he's like, he's like, bro. Bro, did you see him? Yes. So, okay. So Stephen Hawkins is like a doll. But then you see. He's dressed like a little doll.

There's other ones where the AI. See, this is what they do. It's like information, then disinformation. Look at that, dude. So that one is claimed as real. But there was another one recently where they had like Epstein, Bill Clinton. It's so disturbing.

I don't know if it was Bill Gates or not, but they were all like, you know, hanging out with him like on the ground. Yeah. And you're like it's so I feel like they're going to add AI versions of like real pictures just to kind of convoluted it all. Right, right. To throw you on the set. Yeah. Yeah. So is that saying

it's real, Doug? Did it say? I don't know. Oh, you had it. You had it. Well, I don't know what happened to. Recent... Oh, look at that. Yeah, they just disappeared off my screen. FBI is erasing it. I hate the internet. Recent unsealed documents from the Jeffrey Epstein investigation resulted in a release

of various photographs, including authentic images of Bill Clinton and Stephen Hawking's, as well as several AI generated Fabrications. See? So just adjust. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Okay. So that one's real. They try to discredit it by adding all this extra AI image. No. See, they're not, the ones where he's dressed like a doll. The princess outfit they're saying is AI generated. Okay.

Thank God. It's so disturbing, dude. It's just weird. I mean, that's the least disturbing out of anything that's come out of that. I wondered you were down the rabbit hole. What we talked about when we walked to the day, the thing that I just never,

never heard of until just recently. The neurological thing I was telling you about the Affintasia, I think am I saying that right now? Look it up, Doug. I think it's... Oh, you finally remember the term? Yeah, I think it's called... Athentasia or Afentania?

Like, APH. Oh, okay. Like, APA... Like, APH, A-N. Oh, yeah. That sounded... Is the inability to voluntarily create mental images

in the mind's eye often described as a blank screen when attempting to visualize scenes, objects, or faces. It's a form of neurodivor which occurs in 2 to 4% of people. Hmm. So 2 to 4% of people, if you tell them, hey, can you picture a car in your mind?

Yeah, they can't. Well, at all, at all, but there's actually a sliding scale. So that 2 to 4% is at all. Right. But a lot of people are somewhere on the spectrum of that. Like, so it's like, and there's, I don't know if Doug looks up like a, the graph, but the graph looks like at all is what 2 to 4% and then a lot of people will fall. So does that also mean that they can't.

if you ask them a piece of paper to draw it out, like they would be able to draw it. They can draw it, but they can't see it in their mind. Yeah, they can still. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, there's the scale right there. See, not at all. Then there's a two.

Then there's a three. Then there's four. I was trying to figure out where I fell on that spectrum because I can see the red apple, but I can't see it to like the five where the, like the one example. I can picture it okay. Like really, like the five is like deep like the shimmer off the apple. No, I'm probably in the middle. Yeah.

that details. So it's a form of neurodiversity. So I have a neurodivergent mind, which has been labeled ADHD, but I don't think I really fit neatly in that category. Yeah, weird. Thanks, dude. You just offended. Well, your ability to recall words is really fascinating.

That's why I was really curious to bring it up to you because I was shared when my buddy and I who were talking about this, I was like, oh, I can't wait to bring this up to Sal because he and I was explaining to him that, you know, the three of us can all read a study, the same exact study for the very first time. together and you asked me to recall it and I'll mess it up all over the place. Like I won't be able to recall it exactly and I'll need to have read it five to ten times, messed it up four or five times repeating it. And then finally it becomes like I can explain it where you can do that and then almost verbatim.

It's almost like I need a story behind it for it to capture for me. Right, right. Otherwise I'm like, I've got to connect it to things. I've got to apply it. I've got to teach it a few times. The details are lost. Yeah. Now I'm starting to get where I feel you can look at a study, read it, and then 10 minutes later.

So I didn't know that was weird. My family would, my family would say I would say, Courtney's like that too. Oh, she can do that? Very photographic memory. Yeah. So when I was a kid, my family would call me, like, they'd say I was a walking encyclopedia. I don't know that was weird. But what I do know is weird is that I have such a terrible sense of direction that it's so frustrating.

I get so disoriented so easily. and I had a client once that worked in that field, and I started explaining to her how bad my sense of direction was to the point where I was like, I said, you don't understand. I've driven to this place 500 times. I will have to use navigation every time. I won't know how to get there.

And if I go and park in a parking lot and I walk in 10 feet, turn back around, I'll forget, I won't know where I am or what's going on. And she told me that that was a type of neuroid area. or actually a type of dyslexia, she said. Yeah. It just with... Well, no, I've seen it in you before.

I've teased you before. We've left our house that we've owned for like eight years. I don't know. He's like, do I go left or right? You can go either way, but I'm crazy kid you don't know. This is your house. You know that right? Couple times.

It's really bad, dude. So, yeah, I know you. I'm bad, too. I attribute mine, though, because I used to think I had that skill really well. when I was younger. Well, I'll tell you right now, I can't get home from here. You guys know that, right? You can get home from here.

No. Like, are you really concentrated? I could probably figure it out, but it would be a really long way because there's a few places I know where to go. Yeah. But the way that I always go home, I use navigation. If you told me right now, if like the power went out right now, that's my biggest fear. Yeah. That we lose power.

Yeah. I won't be able to go home to be with my family. The poor kids and wife will be like, ah, the power's out. And I'll be speaking away. So when I go, when I go the back way, right now I'm driving the backway a lot. It's not that much different. It's maybe like 10 minutes back like kind of country road where Doug is at.

And I actually, so I still put it on, but I try, I'm trying to train myself to not to know all the back road kind of turns. And it is. It's like, it's like a muscle you have to train too because I know I used to be really good at that. But I've become so dependent like you where I just put it in. So mine isn't, I didn't develop after navigation. We drove long enough without navigation. They didn't exist. Yeah, yeah.

We were kids. Yeah. I would get lost. So you recall that even for, okay, yeah. See, I recall bragging about how good I was in it. Oh, one time I go somewhere, I got it. You know, like, I was actually terrified of getting, because I would get lost so often. I said, hate it.

He said, hate it, hate it, hate it. If I miss a turn, oh, God, here I go. I'm lost now. I'm stuck. I'd have to ask for direct, figure things out. And when navigation first came out, it was like, it was like a gift from God, man. I was like, oh, God, think finally I can go places, whereas before I was totally, totally screwed. Couldn't get them all from my house.

From where I grew up, to go to the mall is one, two, three turns. Couldn't get there. Couldn't get there. It's crazy. That is funny. Anyway, I want to talk to you guys about the green juice. I had a message from someone who said it really helped with their anxiety. What?

Yeah. It's the ashraganda. Yeah, it's got to be ashriganda. They were saying that they had anxiety. kind of on and off, kind of physical symptoms, anxiety. And they started using the green juice for health because they heard us talk about Organifies green juice. And it went away, and they started connecting the dots

and said, oh, my God, it's like one of the best things I've tried for feeling anxious. I want to know how Organify makes Aschwaganda taste good. Have you ever had straight Ashraganda? Do you know what Oshragana means? I think Osheragana, maybe I look this up. I think it means horse piss, if I'm not mistaken. It smells like that.

Yeah. think this aschwaganda look that up is that really a more like a horse tail or something like that horse tail sounds right yeah yeah yeah if obviously you guys have had uh dog what does ashwaganda mean i don't know why you know how he's google he googles in a strange neurodipurge it google like a boober he feels this video google smell of horse smell of horse this is what doug will google uh ashwaganda info and they have to I was typing in the origin of the Oshergonda name, but yeah, what does

Oshragonda mean is easier. Poor Doug. I know. I can't win for this. And you wonder why I don't share anything. This is why he hoards all the secrets right here. He's resentful. Yeah, he's resentful. Hey, he takes his longevity supplements. Screw them.

I'm going to live so much longer than those guys. I'm going to save all this money. Doug's good side. He can get back on it back at us when we need them? Doug, can you hand me my... Why don't you Google it? Oh, really?

Yeah. What don't you Google it, Sal? What's wrong? Can't Google it right? Yeah, yeah. Why's so bad, Doug? Oh, you guys need Ivermecta? You are the Google master, though,

at everybody. You Google the fastest, for sure. AI requires a whole different way of... Totally. You're probably the prompt different. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely have to prompt different with AI. I got to figure that out.

I don't use AI the way you're supposed to. I just use it like a Google. I know. It's actually better to Google, though. I like it. You really? Yeah. You prefer to.

I like it. You prefer? Oh, you like it better than Google. Yeah. Oh, by far. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've trained myself to use that more because I still was like, you know, I would just use search engines for all that stuff.

And it's like stupid. Have you? There's just immediately give it to you. There's so many cool. We don't even use it. I mean, we're still getting better like that. Like we have an example right now. Like Katrina and I were talking to our car insurance company and, you know, he's trying to convince us to

which is separate from my house. And you get like a better deal. Yeah. If you package the house with it and stuff like that. And Katrina's like, I don't want to do that because I'm so worried that what we originally negotiated there. There's coverage that I need to go through the contract. Do that.

I'm like, dude, plug it it, input it into AI and have AI compare it for yourself. You're going to read all of it. Like literally just go like, give me the pros and cons of this one. Give me the pros and cons of this one. Compare the two of them. And like the things that you can use it for, we still don't completely. You have to imagine. It's like a really smart person.

That's how you talk to it. So you can be like, hey, I'm going to be flying into this place at this time. I have to be at this appointment at this time. I'd like to find things to do that are going to be fun in between. I'm with my 16-year-old daughter. She's into this kind of stuff. What do you recommend? Boop, boop, boop, it'll tell you.

And then the layers that you can go for that because then it kicks off and you go like, oh, well, keep the budget between this price and this price. And the driving distance. I mean, you can just keep going. Have you guys asked your AI yet if it knows, if it knows who you are? No. Ask it, say, who am I? What do I do?

And what are the things I'm into? Well, and too, it stores anything you've ever done with it. Well, it'll tell you. It knows who you are. It'll say Adam Schaefer, host of Mind Pump. Yeah. You have this, you have one child. It like picks up, even, I haven't used it in the months.

And it just picks up like we never stopped talking. Yeah, you should ask it. Because mine knew me. And I don't talk about any of my, whatever. Yeah. It's like, oh, you're, all stuff. Well, I know that we were just, I was talking about my buddies, this, how good the TV listening and phone listening stuff is. Oh, man.

I mean, it's on. It's so creepy. It's on another level now that, and it's, we were talking about this. My buddy's reading like the Snowden book. And he was talking about this while we were hanging out this last weekend. And he's like, that was part of Snowden was talking about that stuff a long time ago, right? And so we've all kind of known it's been happening for a really long time. But the level of sophistication that it's at now is crazy.

It'll be, there'll be something super obscure like that I've either never talked about or Katrina and I haven't had a conversation. at least in the years that we've known each other about, and we'll have a conversation about it, and then, like, turn our TV on, and it's, like, recommending a documentary related to it. Or, and it's just like, dude, come on. Yeah, like, this is random. Yeah, it's so, like, way in left field or,

or pull up your computer screen and all of a sudden, you're getting an advertisement for, but, like, he was using the example. He was like, dude, my wife and I were literally just talking about, oh, we didn't take the kids, their kids are getting older, we should take them camping, this and that. He goes 15 minutes later on my computer, and it was just, like, tents for sale.

And this, like, all can't. Like lantern and all this, it's like, geez. It reminds me of this comedian, the stand-up comedian. I forget his name. He's really funny. But he, like, one of his bits was just like, right in the middle. He's just like, I want to buy a humongous dildo. You know, he just keeps like repeating it over and over and over.

He's like, you're welcome. You're going to go home and have all these ads. Yeah, yeah. Hey, you're welcome. People listening. That's funny. Yeah. Did you know that the U.S. government?

used which planter. I think they used planter to hit the first thousand targets or something like that. Palantir? Palantir, sorry, in Iran. So they used the AI to find targets and like it was so accurate. They're now outfitting everything with AI to be able to find targets.

Maybe look that up, Doug, you know, government using Palantir for targets in Iran. I'll just tell you what to say. I'll just do it. Yeah, verbatim. Yeah. Doug puts in Palantir information. Doug's getting shot, dude. Doug's catching strays today, dude.

I feel like Iran right now. Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Too much, dude. Based on reports, March, 26, U.S. military utilizing artificial intelligence technology from Palantir, specifically it's Marvin Smart System.

Maven. Maven, sorry, to identify. prioritize targets on Iran. This technology often referred to as AI-driven kill chain. That's not like where that sounds. None of this sounds. Has been used to significantly speed up targeting process, allowing the military to process vast amounts of intelligence data to strike hundreds of targets in a short time. Wow.

Yeah. Cool. Not unsettling at all. No. Not at all. And by the way, we have something releasing on Sunday. Is it coming out Sunday? This coming Sunday.

Oh, boy. Here we go. Mass PPL. Maybe one of the hottest programs yet? Push, pull legs. Any bets? Let's take a bet on where it lands. Let's think a bet on it.

In the context of just... Yeah, yeah, compared it recently. Compare it to launches. We've done so many programs. I think we all predict this going to do. It'll be a good one, right? What do you think it will in comparison? We'll compare to.

Top three? Top five. Top five? It'll break top ten. Top five. Top five, you say. God. What's top three?

Muscle Mommy. Yep. Mass 15. Anabolic. Anabolic. And or aesthetic would be right there too. That would be in the top five. I'd say top five.

People are asking for a PPL split forever. Yeah. And this is the first time that we've done a MAPS PPL for men and for women. So the programming is a little different. So we programmed it differently for women based on what they're typically interested in, which is more lower body volume, more glute volume. more glute focus and more shoulder focused than let's say it'd be interesting to see if women bought more than men

in which ooh good right like I bet you that's going to be the case we have a pretty split uh audience buyer's split so when I look at the analytics on buyers and maps programs it's it's pretty you're going to let the girls beat you guys that's what I'm saying I'm calling you guys out right now yeah that's it's a really it'll be really interesting to see if more men or by the women are or vice versa. But it's the first time we've done that. So you'll get, you can buy one that's programmed for what men typically want to work on and one for what women typically want to work on. And then probably the coolest thing that we're doing that is unique. We've only done it one

other time is the coaching that's coming along with it. Right. So three days of group coaching. That's been really helpful. So Cole is launching that with it. And it'll, so by the way, like it's within, I think, three days. So after the launch, I believe Wednesday is, it will be live. Right away. The coaching will be live with it. So as soon as you, As soon as you pick up the program, it's free. It's part of it. You'll be able to join that. If you can't make the times, there'll be a recording and you'll be able to access it.

But if you want to be live on there and ask questions. It's also the first time a program has come with specific dietary instruction. It's much more specific. That's true. Protein calories. And it's all organized for gaining. Let's go. That's the dietary advice.

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t.com forward slash mind pump. on that link, you'll get a free sample pack of their most popular drink mix flavors with any purchase. Back to the show. Our first question is from Lindsay D. 2015. I am training to be a spin instructor

and currently made it through my first round of auditions. I'm hoping to coach twice a week, but I'm currently cycling three times a week and running anabolic and I'm struggling with recovery. I'm 29 years old, mom of two. I've been weight training five days a week for eight years. What are some tips

on structuring my week so I can do it all? You can't. Yeah, you need to reduce that. You can't do it all. So spin is very... Intense. Very intense.

Lots of stress on the body. Maps anabolic, even if you do the two-week, two-day-a-week version, you're now competing strong endurance signal from spin, which spin is intense.

It's not like just a leisurely bike ride with maps. It's not going to work. It's just not going to work. You might be able to get away with Maps 15 or one day a week of Maps Anabolic and then feed your body. Yeah. And feed you.

And no more stuff. That's it. Three days a week of spin, one day a week of strength training or three days a week of spin, math 15. And make sure you hit your protein targets. Or less spin and more in a block. That's it. Yeah.

But she's trying to be a spin instructor. So I'm sure that's not going to happen. So this is, I mean, for this person who's going to be a spin instructor, your strength training routine is going to be one day a week. maybe Maps 15, right? That's it. I mean, that's most likely. If you're going to be doing three or more days of teaching spin and doing span, you only really need one day of strength training or one day broken up over. The hardest, the people that I had working in my gym that had the toughest time building muscle were my spin instructors. Yeah. They all had it. And why? Because

they would teach so many classes. Yeah. Three, four classes a week, five classes up. That volume. And if you've ever done a spin class, it's like, it's all hype, motivation, intensity. That's what they're all about. It's like, go, push, whatever. Yep. And combining that with a bunch of strength trains, it's not going to work. Yeah. Next question is from Midwest Sweetheart.

Do I have a higher caloric need as a full-time mom of a two-year-old, or is stress just sabotaging my goals? So if you're not getting your goals and your question is, I'm not hitting my goals, is it because I need to eat more? Is it because they need to do less? I would need more information. I should say, I need more info to give you a good answer. I would need more information.

But the fact that you're asking this question tells me that you probably do need to eat more and do a little less. So typically when I'm training or working with a full-time mom who's coming to me and saying, man, I have a lot of stress. You know, what do I need to do? Your strength training routine would look like Mass 15. And I'd make sure you hit your protein targets and then walk and no additional like crazy workout stuff. and you'll know it's working because you're getting stronger. You feel good.

I mean, that's the best advice based off of the information we got that we're getting right now. Because obviously, like, if her goal was to lose weight, then maybe it's, and she's not getting her goals, maybe it has nothing to do with eating more calories. But if you're having, if your goals are to build strength and build muscle and you're not, then it most likely you need to be fed more or reduce the stress by like a Maps 15 program versus something that's higher. volume and intensity. So I think the way you said it is the best we can with what we got. Totally.

Next question is from Justin J.D.99. What is your advice on a blue-collar maps program? Maps 15 works great, but I wonder if a powerlifting slash performance mix would be a better approach to help day-to-day construction life. Well, you're in luck. We have 15-minute versions of that. We have Maps 15 performance. I'm not sure if you know.

And Mass 15 power lift. Yeah. Maps grade eight would be another good option for you. For people, you know, blue collar workers are very active. And so they rarely need more, you know, activity, but strength train is a good idea. Believe it or not, this is not that much different than answering the question regarding the spin instructor that thinks they need to do more. Like, you're already a very active person doing physical labor. You don't need to send a super loud signal to build muscle.

And if you push it too much, you're more likely to get trapped in that kind of recovery state that Sal always talks about versus actually adapting and growing and building muscle. And so a MAPS 15 protocol is probably the protocol I would keep this person in and then cycle through the different programs. And we have a powerlifting one and a performance one. Yeah. And you can even venture to try like the symmetry 15 only because a lot of times there's overuse. You know, within some of these trades where you're getting a lot of activity just on one side. and to kind of address that and balance it out with symmetry would be a good idea. Next question is from Big Riggs Jim Gow.

How do you stop the cycle of constantly starting and stopping if you're just bored with the workouts or one day of skipping cascades into weeks or months? Typically, this is because you're doing too much too soon, and that's why you're stopping. Also, I want to just encourage people like, it's good to follow a structured program, especially if it's well programmed. But second place is just working out, so long as you're not doing things that are going to hurt you. So if you're like, I'm bored with today's workout.

I'm looking at my today's workout and I'm bored. Okay, you can either not work out or just do something else. Even if it's not ideal, you're doing something. Break it up. Yeah, think to yourself like, what would I enjoy doing? I'm at the gym or I'm going to go to the gym today. I'm supposed to squat. I'm supposed to, you know, remaining down.

headlift, I'm supposed to bench press, and I'm bored of doing that. What should I do? Go in there and do something you enjoy rather than skipping. I like what you said first, but I think this tends to be the more common thing with someone who says a statement like this where you're kind of all, you're all in or you're all out type of deal is what typically happens. Like you're motivated, and so you're training five days a week type of deal, and then you're not motivated, so you skip a day or miss it two days, and then that two days turns into weeks

and you're off the wagon again, you're on and off. And a lot of times that's just over committing yourself to too much too soon. So instead of being on or off and on looks like all these days working out, it's like you just become the person that, you know what, I'm going to always make sure I squat every week, at least one time for five sets or something. And to your point, it doesn't pick whatever you want. Pick an exercise that you enjoy doing and become the person that always just does that thing. And then be consistent with that and then add another thing and then add another thing. I think we tend to do this like because we're motivated right now, we do as much as we can. And that's unrealistic for you to keep that momentum and consistency.

And so build something that is something you can be very consistent. And then build on that, I think is a better strategy than the all or nothing. Totally. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's Mind Pump media. We'll see you there. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy

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