Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2840: Breakthrough Muscle Building Peptides with Jay Campbell

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

Jay Campbell is BACK... and this time he's talking about all the cutting edge peptides for building muscle. We're talking follistatin derivatives with 19 day half lives, super retatrutide that you might only need to inject once every TWO MONTHS, and why these compounds could be the future of building lean mass without the brutal side effects. Jay tells stories about the legendary Dan Duchaine. You'll learn the REAL history of cyclical ketogenic dieting, why going zero carb all week then carb loading on weekends was revolutionary for bodybuilders in the 90s. Here's where it gets controversial... Jay explains why aromatase inhibitors are absolutely DESTROYING modern bodybuilding physiques. SPONSORS Huel — huel.com/mindpump MP Hormones — mphormones.com MAPS PPL — mapsppl.com   KEY TOPICS • Cyclical ketogenic dieting protocol: zero carb Monday through Friday, depletion workout Saturday morning, then unlimited carbs until Sunday night • Long term ketogenic dieting can retard insulin metabolism and increase A1C levels even without eating carbs • Aromatase inhibitors prevent bodybuilders from achieving true shredded condition by blocking fat loss below 7 to 8% body fat • Estrogen ratio to testosterone matters more than absolute estrogen levels for men on TRT • New follistatin derivative FLGR has a 19 day half life and binds only to non organ sensitive androgen receptors • Super retatrutide may only require injection once every two months due to extended efficacy • Dan Duchaine pioneered the ephedra caffeine aspirin stack and introduced carb cycling to bodybuilding • High dose insulin combined with carbohydrate manipulation was the real secret of 90s mass monster physiques   TIMESTAMPS 0:24 Jay Campbell 1:42 Dan Duchaine 5:21 The cyclical ketogenic diet 6:26 crash test dummy research 7:52 long term keto 9:21 carb loading protocol 11:54 Insulin resistance symptoms 14:26 Why AIs are destroying physiques 18:58 New follistatin FLGR peptide 27:15 Recovery Stack 32:46 Bio Regulators and Prostate Peptides 35:33 Legal Gray Area 39:48 Company Operations Explained 40:38 New Hair and Face Launch 41:41 GLP Patent Crackdown 44:07 Small Molecules 45:29 Microdosing GLP Side Effects 48:40 Antitrust and Innovation Fears 51:09 Bodybuilding 52:50 Klotho Anti Aging Breakdown 59:42 Cerebrolysin Brain Benefits 01:07:13 Jail Story 01:16:11 Product Timeline   PEOPLE MENTIONED Jay Campbell — Guest and peptide expert who specializes in cutting edge hormone optimization Dan Duchaine — Legendary bodybuilding guru who wrote The Underground Steroid Handbook and pioneered the ECA stack and carb cycling Mauro DiPasquale — Doctor who wrote The Anabolic Diet book and was instrumental in low carb bodybuilding research Lyle McDonald — Author of the cyclical ketogenic diet book who Jay describes as brilliant but crazy Hans Hobstock — Bodybuilder who appeared on the cover of Dan Duchaine's Body Opus book and trained at Jay's gym Ben Pakulski — Professional bodybuilder who described aromatase inhibitors as the worst drugs he ever took Charles Poliquin — Strength coach referenced for his quote about earning your carbs through training Paul Saladino — Carnivore diet advocate who changed his position to include honey and fruit

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head on over to Mindpumpstor.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. Jay, welcome back to the show, dude. Always a good time. Always a good time. Always fun talking to you. I like to refer to you as the modern Dan Duquesne. You're my guy. It is a huge compliment. For people who know who that is. I was to say you need to explain that for people that aren't old enough.

He was the supplement guru. Well, he was the everything guru. A lot of the stuff that like high level competitors will do now, he pioneered back in the day. And so anybody who knows bodybuilding in the 80s, 90s, you know, they know Dan Duques. And as you guys know, he mentored me for six months. That's right. That's right.

You knew him personally. I did know him personally. Yeah, so rad. Still have that book, the underground steroid handbook, that little paper. You know, it's crazy about that. He wrote about stuff

that I hear competitors using now. I'm like, dude, he was talking about that in the early 90s. And it was all speculative back then. How did you meet him? How did you come across him? Literally, very true story, just on underground like forum,

bodybuilding forum. So he posted about his book, Body Opus. Who was the athlete, the shredded guy on the cover of Body Opus? And I wrote in, and true story, the guy literally was a guy by the name Hans Hobstock.

He trained at my gym. Wait, so that's the old gym. So that was the guy on the cover. Yes. Hans Hobstock. And so I rode in. I was like, oh, that's Hans. He's like my buddy, you know, I trained at the same gym and he wrote me back.

He's like, holy shit. He's like, we need to talk. And then we started talking via email. And then he was actually in the same group that I was in, which is the low carb list. It was called the L serve low carb list or exercise list. And then him and I became friends. He's like, hey, man, if you ever want to come down to TJ, I'll talk to you. because he lived in T.J.

Yeah. At the end of his life. This is a 90s? Yes, this was like 98 and 99. Wait, how old are you, Jay? I'll be 55 in February. Okay, okay. So you were still, you were a kid, though.

Yeah, I was in my 20s. I was in my 20s. But he died literally the next year. I want to say he died in, it was either 2000 or 2001. He died before 9-11. But yeah, I worked with him or worked with him. Literally sat in the Hard Rock Cafe on Revolution.

in Tijuana. Okay, so how does it happen? So you guys start emailing back and forth. He's like, we got to meet. Do you go down to T.J? I went to T.J. On a whim. You meet this guy on a forum in the, but was he already?

Yeah, you knew who he was. You knew who he was. Yeah, of course. Okay. So it wasn't like he was just some rando. No, no, no, no. Everyone respected who he was. No, no, no.

He was super, super cool guy. Very weird. Just like he was, you know, in real life. Like very to himself, you know, was never married, didn't have kids. Just very, very, you know, reclusive. but just super intelligent. And so he would just like tell me, you know, he would ask me questions,

and I would ask him questions, and we just became really good friends. And then he basically died, you know, and it was kind of like he died in one bedroom apartment type thing. Do you, do you attribute that time to kind of what set you off down your path?

Or were you already kind of on that path and that just was part of your journey? Like, I was on that path, but he massively was responsible for me going deeper. Really? What did you learn? So what did you end up learning from him?

Dude, just so much about fat loss. you know, so much about, like, how to use androgens, you know, low carb. He was huge. Like, he was super, super into, like, the Atkins diet and low carb and, you know, how to build muscle by, like, basically doing, like, a cyclical ketogenic diet. Yeah. He was one of the first people that understood that, like, where you went zero carb all week, and then on Saturday and Sunday, you glycogen loaded.

Yeah. Yeah. And he has, he had so many tricks on how to, like, dispose of glucose faster and, like, like, what kind of things you could take, like you could take Manitol. Like, he just knew all these things that no one really understood. So was he responsible for carb cycling? Not responsible, but in the bodybuilding world, he was the guy that introduced it. Carb cycling before that was endurance athlete.

There was one other doctor. If you guys remember, his name was Maro Di Piskwale. He wrote the book, The Anabolic Diet. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So I met him at around the same time, too, but he was very instrumental with the bodybuilding side of things. But Dan personally used to say, Mara doesn't know shit. Morrow, if you're out there and you hear this podcast, man,

much love to you, man, but he used to joke about that. But Morrow did know his stuff, but Dan was, they had like their little beef, you know. Like, yeah, I think all these, all these intellects. Yeah, exactly, exactly. He was, Dan was, DeCain was, he was the guy that started the ephedric caffeine aspirin. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. That was him.

Ultimate Orange. You guys remember Ultimate Orange. Yeah, yeah. That was the first pre-workout. I want to talk a little bit more about this, this, you don't call carb cycling, what you call it this, like low carb on the weekdays and then a high carb on the weekend. Yeah. I don't think I, all the carb cycling I've done, I've done a lot of carb cycling, backloading, front loading, you name it.

High, super high, low, all the name. But I don't think I've ever attempted a Monday through Friday, low to no carb and then a heavy load on the weekends. Yeah. So it was an interesting strategy. So it was known as the cyclical ketogenic diet. That's right. And Lyle McDonald, who, by the way, is also a friend of mine who is crazy. Dude, I've been trying to get these guys to do.

get him on the show. I can get Lyle to come on the show if you guys wanted. Yes. I follow some of his stuff. But Lyle's crazy. He is crazy. He's a shit. He's a shi-talker, and he's brilliant. He's absolutely brilliant off the chart. So, Lyle and another woman by the name of Elsie Volk, who

I think him and her were girlfriend and boyfriend for a while, and me were like the crash dust dummies for his book, which was called a cyclical ketogenic diet, or I'm sorry, it was changed to a ketogenic diet in theory and practice, which was written in 96, which was really the first first diet book for ketogenic dieting that was written for like bodybuilding and performance.

But anyway, I was doing that for three years and giving him the research of me being in that like deep cyclical ketogenic window. And it was awesome. I mean, this is before I ever touched testosterone or any anabolic or anything. I was just using rip fuel or ultimate orange and stuff like that. But I learned a lot and I always tell people like I learned enough to know that like if you're in a ketogenic diet long term for a long time, you will really. F yourself up because it retards insulin metabolism. And so that's why all the keto bros and the carnivore people really don't know how crazy they're screwing up their metabolism because they're actually changing insulin metabolism from a

standpoint that they're increasing their A1C. I mean, you know, I was just at, I just spoke at the Hack Your Health Conference. And so those are all the low carb, you know, because that's former KetoCon people, right? So they're all there and, you know, some of them are so militant about this. But like, they don't understand when they get their labs done or their biomarkers done why their A1C's are so high and it's because, dude. Like, I'm not eating carbs, how's it possible?

Exactly. So they don't understand that, but they're starting to learn. You actually need some carbs for insulin sensitivity. By the way, the hardcore anti-carb guys, all chame, Mercola, I mean, he understands this. And it also hammers your thyroid. Oh, it's bad for your thyroid to be no carb all the time.

It's terrible. And even Paul Saladito, he changed too. He completely changed his tune because he learned. That's honey, fruit. He's had no. stuff. And I think you guys know, we've talked about this on the show many times, you've got to remain metabolically flexible, right?

It's at the end of the day. If you're building muscle, you have to have carbs. You know, the brain requires carbs. Sure, the brain can get carbs from a very inefficient process of gluconeogenesis, right? But the body wants carbs. You know, remember Polkwin, he said, you get your carbs when you deserve them, right? So it's like, if you're a bodybuilder and you're not eating carbs, you're kind of like missing the deal.

but it's interesting because, you know, going back to what Lyle was doing, you would go Monday through Friday and you would eat like four to five times a day. It would just literally be like ground turkey or a hamburger. If you wanted to get some roughage for bowel movements, you'd have like broccoli or something. But it would just be trace green carbs. Okay. And then on Saturday morning, you would do a depletion workout. And your workout was like you would want to go like 60 to 90 minutes of just completely pushing all the glycogen

that was left in your body, which wasn't much anyway. You're on few years. And then you would just go crazy and eat as much as you could eat until literally you went to bed on Sunday night. Now, after six or eight months of doing this, when you'd learn you didn't want to like go crazy at seven or eight o'clock in night and go to bed two hours later because your body would be laying there and you couldn't sleep,

digesting all that sugar and glycogen. But you would eat it whatever you want. I mean, I swear to God, I was literally eating bowls of cereal that were this big. And it'd be like 1,500 calories of like sugar and just, you know, simple carbon hydrates. You're so depleted. It's just literally before you got out here,

we were talking about the, they're like, have you ever ate 10,000 calories? I'm like, oh, absolutely, 18,000 calories. Oh, show. And they're like, how terrible you feel? I said, I felt amazing. Exactly. I was so depleted.

And that's the craziest part is your body does super glycogenate. And so you see this insane effect of how pumped your muscles are and how lean you actually get leaner, right? Yes, I said, I looked better. I was awesome. The theory behind this was to leverage going into ketosis using glycogen.

It's to leverage the anabolic response and to leverage the fat loss potential of response. And so that's what it was. And of course, typical body. Right. So the idea is that you're basically losing body fat during the week and then you're building on the weekends. Exactly. And now typical bodybuilding style, they overdo everything. So it's like, you know, bowls of cereal.

Well, that's the other thing about Dushcheon. why he was so genius is like he knew the levers to pull during that window of say 36 hours where you're super glycogenating of like what you can do to really make it less stressful on your body you know adding in like racemic LLA as glucose disposal taking in manitol glucagonin. Yeah. I mean I mean well see then well no that's a good point I'll get to that I wasn't using insulin that and I didn't know how to do that but Dan talked to me about that.

And this is before I started using testosterone. It was honestly like literally one year later I was on testosterone, right? So but yeah, I didn't take advantage of that, but he talked to me about a lot of that stuff. But what you would find is that and what I found, which was very unfortunate, is that once you came off that diet, your insulin metabolism was so fucked. You could not even eat carbs without becoming a narcoleptic. You'd become narcoleptic. I mean, I literally could not go out in public. And at that time in my life, I was actually working for LA Times.

I was like a classified advertising salesperson, but I couldn't, it was so bad I would want to go to sleep in my car. I would be like, oh, my God, you know, I just reintroduced. I ate, you know, a couple of like brown rice or white rice or whatever I was eating. And I would be because you're insular metabolism was. You adapted so much to that schedule. For three years, I did a sick of cold ketogenic diet, right?

And that was for the research and to have the book and to understand all the stuff. It took six months before I was normal again. And so that's why I always tell people who are so hardcore keto or carnivore or whatever, who void carbs, I'm like, you have no idea what you're doing here. Did you find, like, things like honey or fruit were better and you slowly introduced? How'd you get there in six months? Well, I wasn't smart enough to do that. I mean, at first, I ate a lot of greens and I was fine.

But then as soon as I started eating complex carbs, it was like, it was coma. I mean, I'd be comatose. I mean, it was, and everyone experiences this. You know, you talk to people, and I was just talking to people at the Hack Your Health event. I mean, you guys will laugh. It was a guy at my booth, and I had those new chips, the Maza chip. you know, that tastes so amazing or whatever with no seed oils or whatever. And the guy was like, I was like, you want one?

He's like, oh, no. You can see him. Oh, no. He's like, and then he goes, he pulls up a shirt and he's like, and he was soft. He didn't even have abs. And he's like, no, man, I like, I like my abs. I'm like, bro, don't make me pull up my shirt because you don't have abs. I mean, I mean, anyway, but but the bottom line is that too many of these people,

Seriously, too many of these people are like obviously carb-vobic. You guys know this. And they're like, oh, my God, carbs are the devil. And I'm going to get fat if I eat carbs. And so many of them, like you said, have horrible biomarkers because you're right. And when it comes to building muscle, I would love your input on this. But for my understanding, the mass monster era in bodybuilding, right, in the 90s, which took everything to where it is now. It was a huge difference in bodybuilding.

I mean, there was a difference from the 70s and 80s, but that was mainly anabolic. They were just taking more anabolic. Then you went 80s and 90s and something different happened. And a lot of people are like it's growth hormone. No, I think it was insulin. I think it was them figuring out how to use carbohydrates in an anabolic way. And by the way, those were the best

physiques ever. Today no one looks that condition. No one is that carved and that is exactly the answer. And then you know another thing and I don't want to get in trouble. But what's really tanked bodybuilding from a physique aesthetic standpoint is AI's. All these guys are using

high doses of aromacin, arremaidax, and that is preventing them from getting shredded because it's very evidenced in the literature that when you take an aromatase inhibitor, again, and you inhibit the production of estrogen from the aromatase enzyme, from your antedrigens, you cannot burn fat. So those guys are getting down to like 7 or 8% body fat, and they stop, and they can't get down to the- They weren't using AIs in the 90s. No, there was none of that. And so that is the difference.

And look, I say this all the time, I've said this on podcast, I'll say it on yours. A lot of these guys who have died, I won't name names, but we could have died from the fissures in the capillary network from taking AIs. Because that's what it does. Oh, wow. It's causing these little microfissures in the capillary and vascular networks that literally cause them to stroke out. Because the lack of estrogen. Yes.

Okay. Does you need estrogen? List all the common ones. Anastrozole. What are all the common areas? So Remicidex, an astrosol. Oromason. You've got, what's the letrozole, which is suicide inhibitor.

That is a. That's a strong drug. That takes everything out. That is so bad. And there's other ones. Your dick won't work for a good week. Yeah, but I mean, it's like I tell people all the time, like, these are women's cancer drugs.

And they were created for stage three and stage four cancer, which these women are like at the end, you know, or the end of the rope for that metastasis. And so now you're giving them to bodybuilders to suppress estrogate. They're so bad. I mean, again, I don't want a rabbit hole on them. They're so bad for people. You know, Ben Pekolsky used to say, we all know Ben. And Ben used to say to me, he's like, bro, there was the worst, gnarliest drugs.

I've ever taken in my life. But at the end, you know, when I was in my competitive days, the only way I could get water out of my hamstrings is I had to take a small dose for like the last 10 days. And he would always tell me that he felt like his head was in advice from being on those things, right? So it's like at the end of the day, there's no purpose for them in bodybuilding. There's really no purpose for them in TRT.

Like you said, we need estrogen. Estrogen is more important at the tissue level than even testosterone. Well, it's not just that. So there's two things. we've all been conditioned as man estrogen's bad. Exactly. You need some.

High test, low estrogen. You need to have some estrogen, but it's also the ratio of estrogen to testosterone. So if you're on testosterone replacement therapy and let's say you're pushing the limits of what your testosterone replacement therapy is, so it's high, like I do. Like I take as much as the doctor's let me take.

So it's high. I want my estrogen to be at a certain ratio. I don't want normal estrogen for a man who has normal testosterone. It needs to be higher. That's exactly right. But that's the problem. I'm glad you said that. That's the problem is that.

they're using the range, which is for normal men and not men on testosterone, and they're attempting the physicians to keep them in that suppressed range. Now, there's a ratio. And that's totally unhealthy. Exactly. But no, very few doctors understand that. Yeah. And that's the problem.

And that's why you can see men who are on therapeutic testosterone, who have, again, lean men, who have, you know, sensitive estrodials into 90 to 120, and they have no side effects or symptoms. Yep. But a fatter guy or an insulin-resistant guy who has that has all the side effects because their body cannot handle that aerobes. So they're overexpressing aromatase. And so they have, quote, what people think are high estrogen symptoms. But there's no such thing as high estrogen symptoms.

There's only insulin resistance and inflammation, which people think are high estrogen symptoms. I mean, I've had some amazing doctors that have really schooled me on this from the evidence standpoint. But that's also the reason why when you suppress estrogen, you can't get that low level of body fat because it's literally allowing the body to hold on to it. I always thought it was the growth hormone, growing the internal organ. and pushing. There's that. There's water retention. There's edema.

There's, you know, obviously swelling of the internal organs from high levels of insulin. So it's probably a combo of all of it. But, I mean, what I'm talking about is like to actually see that super low shredded physique that, again, a Frank Zane had, a Frank Colombo had.

Kevin LeBron. Exactly. All those guys in the glory days of like the late 80s in the early 90s before the AIs came in. And you're also right. It was high dose carbs or, excuse me, high amounts carbs. then insulin and growth hormone combined.

And that pushed so much superglycogen in, but they didn't have the AI preventing the fat loss. And so that's why you see so many of these guys who are jacked and huge, massive, but don't have that incredible carved peak condition at the end because they're still on an AI. Yeah. And a lot of it's just they might even just be better off of lower doses of anabolic. Oh, dude.

A hundred percent. A hundred percent. I mean, again, and that's where we're going with false statin, right? Because, like, we have all these amazing things that are coming into the world that will allow them to gain lean skeletal mass without the side effects. Tell us, okay, what is Falostatin? So this is a peptide for my understanding that inhibits myelstatin. Correct. And myostatin is the breaks on muscle growth.

Correct. I think at this point, everybody has seen the pictures of the mildestatin inhibited animals. Yeah, the blue mouse. I'm not the mouse, the blue bowl. It just looks crazy. Right. And so, so what fall of statins are naturally occurring peptide. Correct.

So your body uses to counteract. So it's a great question. So most bodybuilders are people like us in this space. We all heard of phallostatin 314, 344, 347. They've been around in the bro world for a long time, right? The issue with those drugs is, as you said, they have a very, they're obviously a protein. It's a peptide, but it's a very short half-life. So if you use that, you would have to inject yourself three or four times.

And you would also have to inject yourself in the actual area that you were attempting to increase and size. So it's not systemic. And train them. Exactly. And that's always been the problem. And even in the underground community, if you got fallostat, it was sometimes like, because of the way the protein is actually made or actually synthesized, it wouldn't stay stable or it

would become inert really fast. So a lot of guys that would get Falostatin would say, I never got anything from it because it would just go bad. Now, our chemist being the genius that he is, and I won't mention his name, I'll tell you guys off air. Eventually, you'll know who he is. But he's got hundreds of drug delivery system patents. He's one of the smartest guys in the world.

He created a 19-day albumin-bound phallostatin. It's called FLGR-242. That's its actual trade name. The Kaz number is actually coming out this week. And because he extended the half-life, you can inject it twice a month and dramatically increase plasma levels. And no why in every person that's using it,

granted, it's a small sample size. And I'm one of them. There's six of us. There's one woman and five guys. Every single one of us has gained somewhere between seven and ten pounds and eight weeks. of muscle. Of pure skeletal mass.

In today's episode, you hear us talking about peptides. Look, you can get them through medical practitioners from FDA regulated compound pharmacies, not the gray market, but stuff that's actually legit. And you can also get your blood tests and maybe get on hormone replacement therapy. We have a place for you. M.Phormones.com. Work with real medical professionals. Get your hormones tested.

See if hormone therapy is for you. and see if peptide therapies for you. And again, these are the peptides that are coming from real compound pharmacies that are FDA regulator. One more time, mpHormones.com. Back to the show. All of us have done the de novo exams. Two of us have done the, what do you call it, the Dexas,

and everyone else has done in bodies. And all of us have gained seven pounds. If I took my shirt off, you guys see like my chest definition, like my androgen receptors. You do look like you're 70 pounds heavier from the last time we saw you. Yes. Yes. But, I mean, my arms and my shoulders.

If you look at the picture that I just put on Instagram, my Instagram came back for the first time in three months. I can't talk about peptides. You can see the size that I put on. But all these people are attacking us in the bodybuilding world because they're like, there's no way. But they don't understand that this is a totally separate, patented delivery system of phallostatin

that actually allows muscle to build. Isn't this what's similar to what's in the, newest glp one the the the it's not but it's the same if they're they're targeting a similar pathway what they're doing with those drugs is they're using mononuclear antibodies and unfortunately without getting into the science that that's a that's a dead end path so where we're really going with this is they're going to eventually have like a stage four and a stage five agonist that will use phallostatin in a format the way ours is and also and i don't want to again rabbit hole on this but Where we're going with, say, GLP technology or science is it's more small molecules moving forward because Lilly and Novo Nordisk are going crazy to enforce their patents.

So all the compounders, the research companies, everybody else who's out there who's attempting to sell or manufacture or even create GLPs, they're going to shut it down because they own all the patents. Now, they haven't been doing that. They've just been sending cease and desist letters to compounders to research companies, but nobody really did anything with it because FDA wasn't enforcing them. But now Lilly and Novo are going to enforce the patents because they're going to be approving Red of Trutide very soon. And once they approve Red of Trutide, everybody knows how amazing Red of Trutide is as a drug. And they're like, we don't want anybody using Red of Trutide other than if you buy it from Lily. Oh, wow. So, okay, this begs another question then because we had this discussion with Dr. Seeds.

Who? Dr. Seeds. Shut up. Stupid. I fail for that. So we What's up, Doc? So one of the things that we talked about was, you know, being able to build all this muscle, but it, uh, potentially being almost useless muscle.

Similar to like those bulls. Non-functional muscle. It's like so the body, you block this. Muscular person. Yeah. So you block this. You put on 20, 30 pounds of muscle. Great.

You look cool, but it's, you're not stronger. You're not. So is that a concern with the falostatin? Yeah. So it's a great question. So previous phalostatin's, yes, because of the way it bound. And it could, the risk or the concern would be that it could increase organ size or it could increase, like, the heart valve or the aoric valve. Again, ours, the way it's, just call it recombinant engineered, it only binds to act of it.

So, and if I'm saying this wrong, we can edit this. But the way it works is it only will bind to androgen receptors that are not organ sensitive. So it's, you know, shoulder, dealt, quad. It's not going to build muscles or increase the size of organs. It's only going to target the actual muscles. So I just want to make sure that I said that correctly. But again, it's a 19-day album and binder. So the linker on the actual binder extends, as you said earlier, the efficacy so it becomes systemic and it's not local.

So albumin meaning, so somebody can't use this if they're a little bit. largest eggs? I don't know about that. I mean, no one's said it. I don't think that's the case. I think that anybody can use this. I mean, again, so just so you know, so we've tested this product for close to 18 months.

It's been tested in monkeys. It's been tested in humans, six months in humans, dogs, cats, and, of course, rats it started with. And he's already applied for the patent and we'll have a CAS number at the end of this week. Literally, by Friday, we're going to have a CAS number for it. So there's so many people in the scientific community interested in this product right now that we're like fielding inquiries from some of the biggest

companies literally in Europe who want to sell this because again you know and we haven't talked about clotho we'll get there in a second but like clotho and falostatin is like we're all the research in the longevity space is going to like how can we re-engineer how can we molecularly recombinately change these molecules so that we can make them uh for everybody in the scientific community who's interested in longevity to have besides building muscle on false statin because of its effect on it also burns fat i know you're going to go well and we're I was asking what else do you get? Is that just to the metabolic pathway, though?

Because you add five pounds of muscle, you're going to burn more calories. Yes. I mean, in theory, yes, but we're actually going to be coming out with a product from, because our chemist was like after he used it for six months, he's like, dude, it also has this insane ability to burn fat. So yes, from a metabolic pathway. But then here's the other thing. And this is why it makes it so interesting because you guys already talked about all

the people, especially women who lose muscle on GOPs, this is the answer. Give them a micro dose of this. recombinant form of phallostatin and they can't lose muscle because of the way it binds. And again, it binds so powerfully. Again, it has a 19 day half-life. So, I mean, imagine how many people will be okay to inject it just once or twice a month.

You know, and that's where it's going with small molecules. We should have another product that I want to let the name out of the bag because he's working on the patent. It's patent pending that will be a super red of truth tide. Super red of true tide. What makes it super? It binds.

It's very true. I'm not exactly. Yeah, with a cape. I should put my cape on real quick. It binds somewhere between 50 and 75 times harder than retrochutid dose. And it's not a gLP, so it's a small molecule. So, again, according to our chemist, you might have to only, it will be both oral and injectable, but you only have to inject it like once every two months. That's how powerful works.

So that's where we're going with these. Again, you guys have obviously heard of the guys at the Medi Center where they do recombin and engineering and they inject all these different gene therapies. These aren't gene therapies, but you're getting to where the drug manufacturing and the delivery system is so powerful that you don't have to inject it like we've always come to know. Jay, do you also, so you've used the full of statin. Yes, I'm on it right. You get stronger. I'm way stronger.

So back to what you're saying, the functionality of this because of the way it binds, again, to the angioreceptor. And you're exercising with it. Well, yeah, yeah. Let's talk about that and taking calories in. Obviously, this is a very intelligent audience, right? Like if I was on a different crew, I would be like, guys, you have to do all the things. I mean, everybody that listens to you guys and to me. And by the way, your audience is now my audience.

So thank you guys for that. But it is true. Like, it's not a magic pill. None of these things are magic pills. I mean, we always disclaim that, right? But if you train and you take this fall of statin and you eat, you know, one gram, say, per pound of lean body mass, and you understand how to train in the way you guys recommend training, positive failure, you know, progressive overload, et cetera. you will build muscle way easier on this.

And when I say way easier, like I notice more from this now. And again, this is today nine weeks that I've been on it. And I've been on, again, let me just pull this up for the audience real quick. So this is the actual vial. It says F, or I can't read it, FLGR 242, which again is the actual novel patented album inbound fall statin, and it's five milligrams. So you can inject this once every two weeks.

or you can inject it, as I was telling you, once a week. With a lower dose. Exactly. So I like, and again, you know, obviously the guerrilla chemist, you guys know, Brian, he is like our chief science officer. We hired him back in August, and he's been doing a lot of research on this, but he kind of thinks, and I agree with him based on what I've been doing, that if you inject it once a week, you increase peak plasma compensation slightly more.

Even though it's the same dosage, you're giving that little PK curve bump by injecting it once a week. a week. So you might, as a bodybuilder or as somebody who's looking to build more muscle, you might notice a little bit more. But the net dose at 19 day half-life is the same. What do you notice with joints, tendons, ligaments, any difference? Yes. Yes. Oh, better. Way better. Yes. Really? Yeah. So I mean, again, myel-statin also inhibit, like cartilage. Is it also work on that? I mean, it's not technically. And again, I'm not the guru when it comes to the science on that. Brian would be a guy that you guys could want to talk to possibly to go deeper on that. But I

definitely know that one of the things our chemists recommended, and we can talk about this, is like, what's the ultimate muscle building stack right now in 2026? And you would add TB 500 while you're taking this, which I've been taking. And that's obviously to increase plasma and increase, and of course, to help with the binding, right? By the way, I got to tell you this, man. And I know you started saying this after I told you, so I'd like to take the credit. You did. You did. I know what you're going to go by. The end is the receptors. No, dude, listen, BPC plus TB 500. together consistently at the higher doses. Yes, it does work.

It's a muscle building fat-burned combo. It totally changes up. That's an expensive stack though these days, right? No, it's so much cheaper now. Oh, it is. Did it come back down? Well, so it's funny you just said that. So we just launched another product, which I highly recommend everybody who's got injuries used, which has cartelax added to it.

Oh, okay. And cartelax is that if there's a bioregulator, right? Exactly, but it's injectable. If there's something that actually helps to regenerate cartilage or regenerate the nerve funnel nerve fiber bundles in cartilage, I would think it's that because I've gotten so many feedback, so much feedback from people with

low back problems that said they started taking a better Wolverine stack? It's way better than way better Wolverine stack. But I just noticed that I get leaner and I have a different quality or different look to my muscles. It's like they look harder. When you told me that two years ago, I went and I remember I told you guys this, I went and looked at the research and there

is research out there that does say that it improves and upregulates antigen receptors. So it makes sense. that that's what it's doing. So absolutely, you would take less testosterone, less anabolic. Or the same amount. Yeah, and get a better effect. Right.

So what's, what's, what, you, because you say it's a larger dose. What would you consider a larger dose of TB 500 and BPCs? Well, whatever. So they'll tell you a range. I don't know what the number is, but they'll give you a range and I'll stick to the higher range. So here, so here, so I actually, yeah, I don't know what to do. No, I'll give it to you right now.

Okay. We just talked about this. So, I just don't remember. Chris Cavalini, the owner of Nutrition Solutions has an issue in his back right now. And he's like, one of the most conditioned guys in the world. And so we just designed a new healing stack for him with this. We call it the Regeno blend.

And it's TB, BPC, and cartilax. And so it's like one to two milligrams. And by the way, it's 10, 10, 10 in the blend. So you get 10 milligrams of each. But it's one to two milligrams injected locally at the origin of the injury once to twice a day, depending on how acute the injury is. So if it just happened, you probably want to do it twice a day, morning and night. And then you would throw in, if you want, you can throw in two things.

You can throw in, obviously, copper peptide, GHCU, right? And some people, and they inject that locally, they get a burning. Yeah, it burns. So what you can do with that is you can just dilute it more, right? Put more back water in it. Or, and a lot of people are now doing this, you can also take the other bioregulator, which is oral, which is called Sigamir. Now, we are now the first company in the United States are selling the actual bioregular,

the Russian Kavinson ones, the ones that Seed says don't work. You knew I was going to get that in there. We're the only company in the United States that's manufacturing our own, and they are Kavinson. So what we did is we said, you know what? We're going to prove that these work. We're doubled the net ingredient. So all of our capsules have double all the Russian blister pack bioregulators now. So we have one called biocartilage, which is just Sigamere, which nobody knows what Sigamere means, right?

It's a Russian name. But if you use that in addition, you will definitely get better bonding or better binding because there's just something about that. Again, I've had all these different influencers who've used that, who've had shoulder issues that are like, dude, it literally made my shoulder. Why is there such a divide in the bioregulator thing? Why do half my doctor friends say one side and the other half say the other side? Because it's very easy. You don't notice physical change or feel physical change like you do with peptides. And so the bioregulators are more of a maintenance thing, right?

But, I mean, I use them. I take the biomeil. My wife takes the biofemale. I also use the prostate one. it definitely works. I mean, I'm absolutely living proof. I also inject Prostomax. Look, I brought these with me today, you know,

because I wanted to talk about, like, the latest stuff. Hopefully. But no, I mean, like, look, like, this is a real pen of Prostomax, which is straight, this is straight from Lithuania. This guy is a really cool guy. He sends these to me. But this is literally, if I do not inject this once a day, I have to go piss twice a night when I go to bed.

Twice a day. With one, with I inject it every day, I only have to go to bath them once at night. I pee three times a night. Bro, you need to be on this immediately. Bro, you need to be on this immediately. Yeah, but yours might be different, bro. Yours is your whole life.

He's talking about, like, as you get older. Well, I mean, my prostate, I had to piss twice a night starting at 27. And the doctor that taught me, or not taught me, but kind of educated me on what was happening was when I was using rip fuel, you know, those things do, they do stimulate the smooth muscle lining of the prostate walls, right? So, like, they could have increased slight hypertrophy. and so that would cause that compression making you have to piss multiple times.

But I'm telling you, since I started injecting this, I only go to bath in once a night. And as you know, dude, if you don't have to wake up more than once, you sleep so much better. Yeah. But again, what is this doing? So, I mean, it literally is suppressing

the inflammatory cascades that are happening around the prostate as you get older, which all men have, right? I mean, the older you get. Matter time. Yeah, exactly. How do you, Jay, how do you guys, so, because you guys operate in this, like,

interesting space. Gray area. How do you, like, what is that like? Yeah. What is that like because that's a, that's a, I mean, you got your Instagram taken down. You said you just came back, but you can't talk about peptides. Yeah.

Because you're, because you're working kind of this. It's so insane. What is that like? And here's the other thing, too. That space is so crazy. It's insane. It's crazy. It's a wild wild west.

It's complete wild west. Because you don't know what you're getting. You know, the only, I mean, I know you, I know where your address is. So if you send me some messed up, coming after you. We'll get you. So tell us about that whole space and what the, like, what's that like? No, it's a great. It's an awesome question.

How do you operate a business? No, it's an awesome question. So, so in truth, research use only, which is RUO. Well, first off, we have the best attorney. I'll give him a shout out if you guys ever need an attorney. We have Jeff Cohen, the honorable Jeff Cohen, who is literally the guy who's created the American Peptide Association. I mean, he's just amazing.

He works for pharma. he works for compounders. He represents everybody. He's also got obviously research clients like us, but he knows the space from a legal, you know, regulatory standpoint better than anyone else. So obviously we take our advice from him. But the truth is, and I told you guys this before,

the research community is not under the purview of FDA, right? No. So it's not in the legal deal. Where the weird part, the gray area is now with so many people, like you said, in the peptide space, like, you know, There's people literally, I don't know if this is a real peptide company, but I'll just use the name. Lone Star peptides, right?

They just pop up and you see them on your Instagram or your Facebook and you're like, oh my God, who's this? These guys are brewing this up in their kitchen or their basement or whatever, their bathroom. But at the end of the day, the reality is, is that all these different companies are not in the research space, again, called RUO. They're not under the purview of the FDA. They're not technically allowed, which is what we have to deal with every single day, to give advice because they're not. a medically authorized or licensed company. So, for example, if we sell you bioregulators or these small molecules, which we have all over here, there's nothing wrong with this because the FDA does not care about these oral products.

In fact, bioregulators are considered supplements. These are supplements. Small molecules are supplements. So there's nothing illegal about doing that. The FDA, though, also says with like our peptides, with our injectable peptides, which are considered non-sterile, we cannot promote them for human use. So that's why it says on the virus. for research purposes only.

But legally, anyone can research on themselves. You can research on yourself. You can research on your dog. So, no, but it's true, right? So, but here's where the device is. It's so funny. But here's where the divide is. To your question, because it's the best question

anybody can ask me is like, we now, and there's not just me, there's tons of other influencers and people talking about it, like if we promote human use from our platform, as this is my experience using this, whether I use peptide science as bio-Longevity labs, you know, seeds brand, whomever, I'm allowed to do that because I'm promoting my personal experience,

right? So the wine is gray and being straddled when it's an inf-and-again, this comes from our attorney. When an influencer is promoting this as my experience, it's perfectly okay. It's perfectly okay. It's perfectly okay. So what we can't do is I can't be on my company, which is biolongevity labs, and sending emails to people saying, how this is how you do it. But I can from my personal brand, jacamble.com, my personal email list,

my social media, etc. But obviously where it's getting weird is in the social media companies which are completely under the power and purview of pharma, they're like, oh, delete this guy.

Even though, even though I get ads, I get ads for research chemicals all the time on Facebook. Exactly. Exactly. It's perfectly okay to do that. That's what I'm saying. But if you're somebody like me now

and you have a lot of a big audience, which thanks for you. thanks to you guys. Very truthfully. Seriously, like, it is retarded because, like, you're right. There are thousands of people promoting it, and they don't even know what they're talking about, right? Because they're, like, imitating and regurgitating stuff they hear. How do you guys operate your company?

Where are you guys based out of? And how do you guys do all those? Yeah. So, I mean, very, very well, I can say. So we're based out of Akron, Ohio. That's where our 3PL is. So all of our shipping and our warehousing and all of manufacturing. And then we are in the process of completely owning all of our own API.

So we're going to eventually be manufacturing our actual Rawls in the United States, which is really good. I want to get back to your question because there's a lot of stuff to answer into that question of where this is all going. But right now we buy our actual non-sterile injectable peptides from a couple of places in the U.S. A company in Philadelphia, who actually, by the way, supplies a majority of compound pharmacies. And then we have another company in California called Data. In fact, Theta is awesome. They're down in Orange County in Newport. They're going to be responsible for our hair and face product.

So we actually have a hair and face product coming next year. You guys, it'll be, I mean, you guys already know. Better than already what you have? Oh, yeah. I mean, well, you guys know Nick's stuff. And, you know, Nick is amazing and a brilliant chemist. But like, we decided to just build a kitchen sink product. So like a product that, so put it this way.

I used it for three weeks. We only had a tiny sample bottle of this and it was a spray bottle. And I have pictures. this was back in September, third week of September until the third week or second week of October and my hair grew like a weed.

I mean, it's not going to be a cheap product because it has every single bioactive under the sun. And they actually spent six months formulating the hair product so that they could know what they could put together

which wouldn't render the other product inert. So it's going to be an insane product. It's probably coming out in February. It's going to be called BioGrow. And then the face and the serum and the cream because it'll obviously be like a sister product called Biojuvenate.

And both of the, of them will be the strongest products in the industry. Do you guys ever get letters from regular, you know, regular leaders? So we do. Hey, stop talking about this. So we do. Well, so back to your original question. So what is coming?

And this is all obviously tentative and could change. But we were told, and this is just going back two weeks, that in 2026, Lily and Novo would just completely enforce all their patents. And so compounders, who, as you guys know, 80% of the compound business is GOPs. Right. 80%. 80%. Wow. Yes. So what we've been told and what their attorneys, when I say their attorneys, I'm literally talking about FDA level and Lilly, which by the way, I don't know how you tell the difference anymore,

because Lily just became a trillion-dollar company. Did you guys say that? Trillion-dollar market cap. Wow. So imagine the power they have. We've also been told they have a billion-dollar legal defense lobby. So I mean, nobody can compete with them. But so what we've been told is that in 2026, you cannot as a compounder or as a research company make any gLP product they are going to own the rights they paid you know the billion dollars that they paid to go through stage three trials of all their products and the cease and desist letters which by the way we've never gotten a cease and desist letter because we've never sold any of their products right we've sold gLP three but it's not approved right so legally we have the right to do that but we're not playing the game we're at the end of this month we're never going to sell another gLP again because we don't want them coming after us but the problem is is the compounders, and I won't name names, but you guys know some of these guys,

they're, I mean, they got problems because they've got massive overheads, massive employees, and 80% of their revenue is coming from GLP's, and they're being told, again, from what I've been told, that they can't make it anymore. They will have to have expressed right from Lilly or from Novo

or any of the giant, you know, manufacturers, pharmaceutical manufacturers, to make it. So the other side of the coin, and again, this is all what we've been told. I don't know if it actually comes true, is they are going to roll back, which is good for the clinical space,

the class two restriction. So all the peptides are in class two right now, which is most of them, they're going to make them class one, which will mean that anybody can go get a peptide from their doctor. So they'll be legally, you know, able to be compounded at most pharmacies. The problem will be for the compounder

if you're 80% of your revenue comes from GOP, you know, now you're going to have to scramble and you're going to have to try to, you know, market to your clients, all these other peptides that you don't know anything about. Now, do you think that a, that because you guys are smart do you guys think that someone's gonna come out with a kind of a little bit of a different glp that we told you i already told you about superrata

yeah okay which which will be totally different exactly and it's a small molecule so we don't compete with their compatence and and like i said where i think this goes in the space is the smarter chemists and people in it are all in the small molecule route because again pharma's like we just want to own g lp what do you mean by that by small molecule route like what is that versus versus big molecule. What's expensive? Yeah, no. So, I mean, it's just like a technical terms of saying, like,

you don't go down the GLP patent pathway. You're right. And you just start working with all these novel agents that are out there now that are, like, in the biochemical space that are considered small molecules. Like, for example, like Shred Max, like the sloop is a small molecule. Yeah. Right? Biomind, like, you know, this non-J-147, small molecule, right?

The other ones are peptide. New peptide is obviously a racetam. Yeah. But you've got all these different. different small molecules that do all these amazing things. And right now, pharma, I mean, these are technically small molecules. I mean, they're peptide proteins, but pharma doesn't care about the patent pathways right now of a lot of these. They just care about the breadwinner, which is GLP3. That's where all the money is. And I didn't tell you guys this, and I wanted

to bring this up, but I'm writing a book, which is going to be my best book ever. It's called Metabolic Awakening with GLP peptides, and it's amazing. I mean, my writer's been in there for eight months and I've been in there now for about two and a half months. And every time I get out of there, my brain is like spinning because I went through all the research. I can conclusively tell you guys this, and this is going to be good for all the listeners, no one is getting side effects from GOP drugs. They're getting them from their lifestyle. Yeah. I've looked at all of the research. I've looked at the eye, you know, eye sight, eyesight issues, gallbladder issues. I mean, everything. Every possible conceivable side effects are all lifestyle related.

Yeah, it's all because they're not strength training, eating enough protein, they're starving their body. And it's from pharma telling them, exactly, giving them too much. That's a big one. Yeah, too much. It's all too much. Everybody that we've gone through in training, we've had to tell them to go back and talk to their doctor about. Try going lower. You guys, I'm going to send you, because nobody's seen this yet, because my copyrighter subscribes to the diabetic, whatever.

And they have this new thing. It's coming out in probably February or March, but it's a list of all the things that JLP's do good. it's most mind-blowing that you've ever seen in your life. It corrects like gambling. I mean, like all these bad, like, you know, obsessive, compulsive things that we do, it rewires.

Do you think there's a fear, Jay, because it is working with the reward pathways that there could be a negative side to that? I mean, I'm sure that there is, but I think, again, everything is dose-related. If we do this, like you guys know how to do it, to use them as microdose as tools, they're amazing.

And imagine the small molecules, stuff when we get to like once a month or once every two months, like how much better they'll be. But it's, it's, it's, it's, the dose, the dose response curve is what causes the side effects. If you start high and go higher, which is what pharma wants and which most doctors, and again, you can't blame the dogs. Is former going to correct that ever? No, they're not. It's going to be up to us to correct the doctors. So the doctors learn, but you guys know, Dr. Tina, there's a lot of doctors that already do. And they're doing a great job. Yeah. You know. But it's up to.

us and people like us to actually continue to be in the field and experimenting with the microdoses. But I'm telling you, and here's the craziest part too, the research shows that the microdoses work because you know what the research shows? If you start them on a microdose, 95% of them maintain the weight loss. 95% and all of the other studies, when you start high and go higher, it's less than 40%. So they all rebound. They all have thyroid issues. They all have muscle loss. That research is out. It does not make sense to me why these companies are put them in the preloaded all right. Like, why?

Because it's about money, dude. Yeah, but wouldn't, wouldn't it be just as advantageous to keep them on it low dose over a long period of time? No, because they don't make as much money. It'll happen eventually. Yeah, it will. But right now, it's just money. I mean, it literally is. I mean, you guys know this Trump.

I mean, I don't want to say this because we're all fans. But, like, he at this point right now looks like he sold out to Lily and a Novo to give everybody the lower price through their insurance. But we all know. No. That's a whole other podcast. But no, but seriously. Was a fan. It's the way to say it.

Yeah, once a fan. Right. But think about this. Like, why would you do that if you know, because we all know this from history, if you give complete price control to one or two companies, what happens? Yeah. Stupid.

Yeah. No competition. It's insane. Yeah. So I, the final, to give you, to spend around one more time to your big question, which is a very important question, I see lawsuits in 2026. I see the. compounders saying this is bullshit, you can't do this to us.

This is literally antitrust. You're basically saying that Lily and Novo and whatever other giant, you know, pharmaceutical manufacturer owns everything. It's a monopoly. Exactly. So like if you're in power, you know, Sean Norian shot out to Sean, the owner of Empower, the biggest compounder in the country who does very well and has thousands of employees, you know, Chris Bell works for Sean now.

You know, he just called me yesterday. Like, that's not fair to them to say you can't make GLP's anymore. So does peptides become like marijuana the 90s? what do you mean? It's a good question. So, I mean, just, what was marijuana in the 90s? Well, what's going to? A billion dollar underground industry.

Everybody was like, this shit ain't that bad. Well, I'll tell you what. It's a great question. Rick Collins just did an awesome post on Instagram about that because you've got all these doctors that are writing them. And by the way, when they went to class two and restricted, the smart doctors didn't care because they knew they could still write them as off label as a script. Yeah.

But it's, you know, the younger normie, quote unquote, docs that don't understand to think, oh, it's illegal. Yeah. But it was never illegal. You just had to write a script and say, hey, I had to find a compounder that made it, right? And you guys know there's compounders that never shut it down.

They're also going to kill innovation because if you limit it and say, these are the ones and they're going to be this cheap and there's no competition, now this rapid innovation into this, into the gLP receptor. Right. The money dries up. And the innovation, I think, is so important because it went from some glutide to terseptide to retatriate. And there's,

there's more that's out there. Oh, there's insane stuff. So that's my last chapter of the book is like what's coming. And it's insane. I mean, Red or Trutide, again, I think personally that it could be the, and you guys already know this,

but I think it could be the drug that could end obesity. Obviously, we would have to get it to everyone, right? But it's one of those drugs that would help doing that. If you could get it to everyone. But there's stuff after Red of Trutide, you guys. I'm not joking that I think Renatututon will be a distant memory in two years. Wow.

Maybe 18 months. I mean, that's what's coming. I mean, like I said, this super reda, imagine that, and then imagine taking Falostatin or something in that pathway and adding to it. So you would create superhumans. You know what I mean? No, but I mean, you will. You'll create meta-humans.

You take a genetic freak. We're going to need to fight the AI. You're already doing that. You kind of have to figure this out. I got to tell you what's crazy is I have friends that compete in pro bodybuilder. And now they all use RETA. Yeah, they all use that. Pre contests.

And they're like, this is the easiest. Greatest things. easiest pre-contest of her in my life. But you guys remember, I told you that two years ago on our podcast. I said, Red or True Tide, when it first came out and you guys thought I was probably even crazier than you think I am now. I was like, this will revolutionize bodybuilding. And it already has.

And, you know, and that's the hardest part of bodybuilding is getting ready. Exactly. If your diet was crushed naturally and you can keep your muscle. I think it's better. What we don't talk about is, because you guys know how bad it is for women, right? They over diet. They crash your thyroid. And then they rebound and they get fat and they never train again or exercise again.

And it's solving the women problem better than anything because they don't have the food noise after. And so they don't, you know, gorge. Yes. Yes. So it's a total game changer for women. And I hear that because I have so many women in my private membership group who tell me that Redder Futide changed their life, you know, competitors because they don't they don't rebound anymore. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I could see actually just using it.

I've never, I didn't think about that. When I think back to all the ways I dieted, like what a smart way to use it to run. reverse diet. Exactly. So I actually wouldn't even... Oh, 100%. Like, I probably wouldn't even use it in the competition. Yeah, you would do it towards the end, but when I get off,

you control the crazy rebound of aggressive eating. Well, dude, I would actually... Dude, you're so smart. I would actually say that you would even be better in that way anyway because you would put muscle on after. Right. You would permanently keep. Yes.

Yes. No, it's a game changer. Reddatz got some muscle building effects. It does. Because if it's insulin sensor... It does. It does. It does.

Nutrient partitioning, insulin signaling, 100%. builds muslim. Yeah, really, or definitely preserving, that's for sure. Tell me about clotho. What is clotho? That's the other one I hear you're talking about all the time. So, so clotho is incredible. So first off, if we look into the research, I sent you guys the articles. Clotho comes from a Greek goddess of vitality. And so these Japanese chemists discovered it like in 1998 or 1999, same time I met Dan Duchame, by the way. How funny is that? And subsequently since then, millions, if not hundreds of millions, probably billions have gone into researching it, like, how can we use this protein? It is an endocrine hormone, technically, but how can we

use this to forestall aging and extend life? Because it's responsible for almost every single bioenergetic and cellular cascade in the world, right? From heart, sexual function, brain function, endothelial function, it's incredible. So Monica and I have been using it since the end of August. Our chemist gave it to us then. So I've technically now been on it for about close to four months. And it's very subtle. The thing that you will notice, especially being in monogamous relationship, is that like your sex is like what is going on? Because it's increasing endothelial sensitivity, right? So like three days after our first shot, we were just, I can't remember we were having sex and I was like, what the fuck is going on? But both of us. Like, we were like,

you know, this is strange or like she doesn't know me or like, I mean, it was so insane. And so since then our sex has become amazing, like in the very beginning of our relationship. And we've been together for 14 years, right? So like every time we have sex now, we're like really looking forward to it. So like that's one of the noticeable things. Why do you stack it? Why is it with fall with well, you don't have to. So anybody can use clotho. In fact, I would just say this. If you're 35 and older, you want clotho. Because if you look at the science, we start dropping our clotho levels. at 35. In fact, it literally goes from like, you lose like, it's like the testosterone decline, but it's greater. So it's like one and a half to three percent per year. Is it connected or any

relation to like if you were on HGH or you were on testosterone? Does that clothful level come up? No. No. So it's just an endocrine protein that affects aging and all the cellular cascades of aging. So if you take a tiny bit exogenously as you get older, you will maintain a younger biological age. And I'm already noticing that. Like no lie. I just did a presentation at Hack Your Health two weekends ago, and I only had 30 minutes, and I had an 86 slide deck, and I'm like, how am I going to do this, right? And I went through it so fast. I figured in my mind, I was like speaking so fast that nobody in this audience even has a clue of what I was saying. And all of a sudden, I look at the clock, and I got two minutes and 30

seconds for my 10 minutes of Q&A. And I'm like, oh, my God, I just went through an 86 slide deck. So when I got out, I'm like, okay, I must be thinking like, I went so fast. Nobody understood it. And everyone came up to me like, whoa, bro, that was amazing. And I was like, was like, was like too fast, no, it was. So I think your brain, the clock speed, it's working, it's improving your brain too. I will tell you guys this, the one other thing that I've noticed about how amazing it is in the four, four months and a week that I've been on it, not had a single morning I woke up depressed. Not one day that I woke up where I was like, you know, I'm just, because you know, we all have those ups and downs and those ebbs and flows, but that's one of the other

things it does, it improves well-being. So it does so many things. I mean, this really is the fountain of youth molecule. Now, you gotta be careful because there's other companies out there that are selling this. There's people in the clinical space selling it, and they're selling it between five to ten times more expensive than us, monthly, right? Like right now, and we're out of the Falostatin, but you can get a month supply of this for $380. So we had tons of people buy this for an entire year.

I bought it from a whole year from my life. There's one peptide that's supposed to be good for telomere. Epitalon. Yeah, so how does it compare it to epithelon for it? Way better. Not you can't. I mean, Petalon's good.

Don't get me wrong. It's just not noticeable. Yeah, I've used it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is noticeable. Like, you want to take this because you feel the, where you really feel is the endothelial sensitivity, right? So you get better erections.

Like my wife stays wetter, faster. And again, you know, for people in their 50s, this is a serious thing. You know what I mean? And I can't imagine what it's like for people in 60s,

80s. So this is without a doubt a billion dollar product. You know, our chemist told me this. He started telling me this in April of this year. You know, at that point, it was just like, whatever, dude, that sounds cool. But then we started using it.

I'm like, oh, my God, right? So there'll be other versions, I would assume, and other companies will reverse engineer this and, you know, it will come out. And by the way, it's the same 19-day album and binder in this product that he has in the Falostat. Yeah, yeah. So he's just a genius. Yeah, twice a month.

In fact, you don't want to inject too much of cloth, though. Like, more is not better because we only have a tiny, bit amount from our cellular cascade standpoint anyway. So it's like I think, and I'm going from memory, but I'm pretty sure that the human adult male or female is the same, has anywhere from like eight to 15 micrograms plasma concentration over a seven day period. So this is just 10 micrograms every two weeks. So it's technically five a week. So you're just slightly bumping where you would be. And that's all you need because it dramatically improves cellular signal. When you, When you work with people, Jay, you must have a lot of fun when you work with like the bodybuilder cosmonauts because you get to push the limits and have a lot of fun with that.

What do you learn from working with people like that? Just what the upper limits are of performance. Yeah. So it's a good question. You don't like with these products like 10 milligram like Falostatin just a switch. 10 milligrams is the most. You want to go like really push the limits. Yeah.

Because like what happens if you take more? Well, if you take more, you just won't get more of an effect. Because of the saturation, right? Because the way it binds, it's saturation. Now, that's not to say that if somebody did take 15, you know, a week, that they might gain more muscle faster. But, like, over time, the way it saturates and binds, like, you're not going to see that much more. Is it not relative to the size, like the difference of a 130-pound woman versus a 250-pound bodybuilder? So for Falostatin, it would be for, like, a woman would take less, for sure.

But like, let's just say you get to 200 pounds as a man, like it's all going to be kind of the same. And now maybe you had a 300 pound bodybuilder, maybe they could go up a little bit. But again, it's just the way it binds actually two angigen receptors and the way it's, again, it has a 19-day plasma half-life. It doesn't, there's a certain level where you're saturated and so you won't get that much. But, yeah, to your question, I mean, I definitely have people that push the envelope. I think where we're going with small molecules and obviously just newer and newer, because there's novel, peptide's coming out now too. There's like a cancer killing peptide. It's impossible to get it. I've recently, I'm sure you guys have, but I haven't personally until recently, but I've been experimenting with cerebralicin.

Oh my God, cerebralicin. So what is it? So tell me about that. Absolutely amazing. I might have injected this morning. I'm guessing it's for the brain. Oh, my God. With the name. It's not, well, so here's what's so crazy about cerebralicin. You cannot sell it as a research company. You cannot sell it as a pharmacy. They will come and shut you down, padlock your door, arrest you and put you in jail. I'm not joking. And the reason they say that is because it comes from pigs. It's porcine. That's how they make it.

But if you look at the DNA of a pig and you compare it to the DNA of a human, it's almost like an anatomical blueprint. Yes, it's insane, which is another podcast probably. Right? We don't want to go down that. Pigs are filthy animals that root in shit, right? Think of Samuel Jackson. But no, but it is amazing.

I just started using it a week ago. Our friend, who I won't mention, gave it to me and he's like, bro, you got to start taking this. And so it's a 60 milligram vial, and both my wife and I have been taking it. We've actually only had three injections. Today was my third. It's, dude.

They actually give it on, they actually have it on EMT trucks in the Balkan countries. When somebody has a heart attack or they have an aneurysm or they have an event, you know, what do you call it, a sclerotic event? They give them a giant. an IV of this stuff because it prevents damage to the brain. That's how

amazing it is. Wow. So yes, so like all of us should literally be on cerebral isin. Why we're not, again, you know, blame the pharmaceutical companies, blame whoever is in control of the United States. But I mean, it's absolutely amazing. Yeah, I've only had three shots. You inject it, I am, it's water.

You know, it's like a normal aquaous base peptide, but you want to inject it into the vasculature to get effect right away. But I'm not kidding you. My first injection was on today's Tuesday. Friday, did one Sunday, did one this morning. And my first injection within 30 minutes, I was like, you sound smarter today.

It's not even that. It's not the smarter. You think it's smarter. It's well-being. It's doing weird things in your head that makes you feel better. Like, you actually just have this sense of, like, everything is awesome. I have a left-field question for you. How does a guy like you find someone like Monica 14 years ago,

willing to be a guinea pig like you and try all these things? Dude, it's honestly a miracle. So this is so weird. I mean, with like, you know, Katrina's mom and the whole stuff, like, we just had a woman that came and spent time with us. She's from Southern California, too. Were you, were spiritual before her? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, she made me much more spiritual. Okay. Because I didn't even really know that about her or you until all that. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. So, like, I always have been in that path.

I mean, obviously, we were, both of us were raised Catholic. So we had, like, that whole Abrahamic Catholic stuff. but like in the background we were you know more into like I would call it the spiritual I mean I don't know really what it is it's just like we have love in us right but um and by the way props to you guys for taking a stand on that now I know you guys are doing a lot of that stuff and that's awesome you know if we want to talk about that we can but uh she she this woman came for us for Thanksgiving and she brought her machine and it's like a I forget it is it's some sort of machine that measures like the bioenergetic wave of the person and so they can kind of take tell if you're in trauma, you know, if you have like a lot of trauma energy or if you're like, you know, balance and centered. Yeah. And she ran our energy and she's like, I've done 1,600 people in my life and you and your wife have the exact same match.

Oh, wow. And so I was like, what? This was on this, she ran us on Thanksgiving day. Oh, okay. And she ran Monica in the morning. And I was like, that's BS. Like you must have, you probably didn't. Maybe it just took the same inputs.

And she's like, no, I literally shut the machine down. and I unplugged it and I re-ran it and you guys had the same three attributes that it measures. And again, it's measuring, you know, you could probably say it's kind of a woo-woo machine, but it does measure like your bioenergy. It's not like dionetics is it.

No, no, no, no, this machine, no, this machine is like $26,000 machine. It's a serious machine and it measures like your waves and stuff like that, right? So anyway, we each have the energy that your body emits, right? 100%. 100%. We know that.

But it also gives you like a, a qualitative of like this energy is saying that you're here and you're here and you're here and she said she had never seen two people that had the exact three top qualities that she measured and she also measured everybody at the house my daughters Monica's sister was there we had a couple friends and so everybody had different things but she's like you guys are so in sync that you had the same three things I was like that's pretty weird

how far into the relationship was it at that point well this is brand new so but we're 14 years so she just did this on 3rd Thursday. Oh, you're telling me this just happened. Oh, that's interesting. So it was so weird because we're like, I mean, I didn't believe it. Well, I mean, it's crazy when you share that of all the stuff that she's willing to do, it's just like, uh, that's so. Well, so I mean, like I really honestly do feel like we probably shared a past live or past experience or something our souls, you know, met up. How did you mean? How did you originally meet? Dude, match.com. Shut up. Dude, the story, Monica has told the story, but it's incredible. She, she basically was with her girlfriend and, and their kids, they're both divorcees, and they were in Hawaii, and they did the whole bottle thing of like, what I want to meet in a man, and they put it and threw it out into the ocean. And then she came home, she flew back from, they were in Waikiki, and she flew home and she sent a message to like 20 guys on Match.com. And she's like, and she canceled her account.

And she gave her real email address, and I was the only person to respond. This is in 2012. And, and I was like, dude, I was so in the ego mind and such a bad, not where I am now spiritually. I was literally like on my match.com profile it was like if you do not look like a 10 in a bikini, do you not respond to me. That's how whack that was. Of course you did.

If you are not a 10 in a bikini, do not respond to me. That's how whacked I was, right? So she actually wrote an email back to me. And this was fascinating. She didn't have a picture of herself other than in a mock turtleneck with her daughter. I mean, I could tell she was an attractive woman,

but I was like, this is so weird. So anyway, I responded to her and her and I met at match.com, I mean, at a restaurant in Pasadena, California, Conrads, which is now gone. And literally, I just met her and sat down at the table and just threw all my crap at her for 30 minutes thinking that she would be like, get up and say, all right, bro, I'm out of here. And she was like, oh, that's interesting. Here's my story. And then I was like, I was like enamored at how spiritually advanced she was. Because I had been meeting. And of course, I'm attracting the worst people because I'm a mess.

but like I just met nothing but women that were a disaster and I meet her and she's just like this I'm like holy shit I really was so broken but I was into like learning from her like how to become like her because she was so centered

so balanced so calm you know and she was coming out of a divorce too and she had three kids and stuff and so everything attempted to destroy our relationship in the first six months because I lived in Studio City you guys I was living in a 220 foot

studio apartment just coming out of divorce. I was destroyed. I mean, you know, I was put in jail. My kids were kidnapped from me. Everything that could go wrong was bad. And, and, and, uh, and she lived in San Dinas. I got to know, I went to jail. I don't know he went to jail. Oh, dude, that story's incredible. Yeah, no, no, I, I, I, no, no, no, I, I, no, I'll just tell you the whole story. So my ex was dating a ex-sharef without me knowing when I was working. And they cocked up a scheme to put me in jail. What?

Wait, how do they catch? Wait, wait, wait, wait, okay, after, okay, so she's, she's dating the sheriff post you. No, no, no, we're together. You're together. This was like a fair. She's cheating on you with the sheriff. Yes. And he's like, I got an idea how we get rid of this.

He was an ex- Sheriff. He was actually now a, like him and his partner had a fitness photography thing. I won't tell you who they are, but you guys probably know who they are. Okay. And because they're pretty well known. And anyway, they were carrying this on, and I came back from a corporate meeting in Chicago, and I went to bed. We were living in Las Vegas at the time, and I woke up with Las Vegas Metro. Mr. Campbell.

What were the charges? You know, I beat her up. We're domestic violence or something like that, you know, just made up. But that just sent me, that put me back. I mean, I lost my standing as a corporate wage slave, which was obviously for the good because I ended up meeting Monica like nine or ten months later. But I had my kids kidnapped from me. My daughters were only 18 months. My youngest was 18 and my oldest was about three and a half.

Oh my gosh. No, no, no. So it was a disaster. I mean, I literally had to rebuild my life completely. I mean, I lost my job over it. You know, I had the charges. I had a record so I couldn't get a job back in my industry. And I was a very accomplished guy in the digital automotive marketing world.

You know, this was all the way up until I was 42. So this happened. So it happened when I was 41. and then the whole like effect was lasting for a year. And then I met Monica when I was 42 when I was forced to come back to Southern California because I couldn't get a job. I couldn't pass a background check, you know, because of all the things were on me.

So it took four years for me to suppress my record and to do all the things I had to do because I had community service and I had to deal with all this stuff. But it was all fabricated. All the stuff was suppressed. My wife actually admitted it to me, which was crazy because she wasn't, the ex-wife, excuse me. And by the way, we're totally amicable.

and, you know, she's done a good thing. You're amicable with her after all that? Dude, I mean, it was, it was very tough in the beginning, but, you know, as you know, forgiveness is a big thing, you know, it takes a very, very spiritually sound and centered and balanced person to forgive. You're right. And as you guys know, forgiveness is not for them, it's for you. And that's what people don't understand, right?

It's always for you. Holding a poison. Exactly. Exactly. So, so, so I forgave her, even though. in the first two years, it was like, I remember attempting to explain to my friends and my inner circle people who didn't believe me.

I bet. Because the charges, you know, you had the picture, you know, I mean, I got into a fight one year after that with one of my brothers at Christmas because he came in and he showed my mugshot. He's like, oh, you must be such a winner. And I was like, why are you doing that? And he's like, because you're a tool or something like that.

And I just turned and just, I hit him so hard, I was like knocked over the Christmas tree. Oh my gosh. It was awesome Oh I mean I would probably I mean that I mean

To be accused of something like that The next three years My life was insane Yeah I bet I didn't have my kids And so when I met Monica And I gave her that whole story And she found out

That I didn't have my kids And I was a disaster And that you know I mean it devastated me To lose my daughters I mean I Of course And very truthfully

For one year The only time I heard from them Was when she would call me Or text me at the end of the She never called me She'd text me She'd text me She might leave me a message

A voice message And she said Where's my mind? right and and my attorney at the time because of all the charges that were against me told me he's like you can't respond you can't call because they can just reopen the charges and go after you know so I think you guys probably have a ton of men in your audience that have gone through the family court system and had these tape of you know it's called um what you call it um domestic violence DV charges because a lot of them are made up and in Vegas

and Nevada when it happened they had the rule is or the law is they take they have to arrest if they come out, they have to arrest the biggest person. So my ex was a tiny little, you know, ex-fitness model. But she wasn't there anyway. They planned this, took my two daughters in the middle of the night, and then the cops came to the morning. Were you able to rekindle your relationship with your kids or to destroy that?

No. Well, man, it would make me cry if I told you guys this. But when I first saw my baby girl a year later, she was crying. She didn't know who I was. And that was, oh, my God. That was unbelievable. But yeah, we have an amazing relationship now.

I ended up raising them. So this is the cool thing about Monica. So once I told Monica the story and we were dating, she said, we're going to get the kids back and they're going to be living with you in a year. And I was like, okay, woo-woo woman. Right. Okay. You know, like I totally doubted her.

11 months. We had them back. Shut up. She met my ex and convinced her like the girls were going to be much better with me and her. And my ex. was a broken person, way more broken at that point even than I was, because that guy had, of course, dumped her, right? So she's now living in Florida with the two girls and she doesn't have much money and, you know, just out of spite she was keeping them from me. So once Monica

met her, we had. No way. And so then we ended up raising them from they were four and a half, well, no, technically almost five. And Gabby, the youngest was like three. And so we raised them in Southern California until then, until we ended up sending them when I met you guys back, remember I told you that I was sending them back to Florida because the whole letter I got from Gavin Newsom about where, you know, we know you're homeschooling your daughters. And if we find out if the homeschoolers, not Vax, you're committing a felony, blah, blah, blah. So to her credit, me, my ex, she stepped up when we sent them back to live with them in, in Florida.

Bro, that's so rad that you, wow. Yeah. That's rad. I did not know that. Yeah, no. I mean, I mean, everything happens for a reason. You guys know that, man. You know, God puts obstacles. I mean, that's why we're here, right? We're here to evolve and grow our souls. And it's like you can choose to grow and evolve through the contrast or you can just,

you know, detach and become a victim. And so many people do, right? And so that's why, like, I had to learn to forgive. And I had so many of my friends were like, how can you forgive her? I'm like, bro, how can I not? Right? Like, that's why we're here. We're here to forgive people.

Yes, you can be, you can be hurt and you can be blinded and you can be, you know, affronted and clearly I did things that got me there. Yeah. You know, I was not the best person. I was living in the pure ego mind. I was a bad person. I mean, I take total, full ownership of all the bad things I did. But that happening to me, I didn't think I deserved.

But I learned that, you know, what? It was part of the process. And so I evolved through that. I met this amazing woman who, you know, helped raise my daughters. Both of my daughters are very advanced, you know, souls and girls now. my 18 year old is she got a 1480 on her SAT Wow you know so she's brilliant you know off the charge has full scholarships everywhere and then my sophomore is

not as smart you know on paper but she's very advanced too and so both of them really learned from me and Monica and they got really awesome you know upbringing That's a badass that she called that and 11 months later you have dude it's incredible I mean that's like such a rare story totally I mean especially when you figure your record yep you being the dad like and that's why i had to tell monica that that hey because her brother's a l-a pd cop and he was a detective with rampart right like downtown in the worst division of l-a and i said you know because i know i knew he would run my record sure and so i told her from day one it was like because she told me she had a cop i was like oh well just so you know here's the full disclosure

and he did and he and he was messaging are you sure you want to be with this guy you know so there was a lot to overcome, but, you know, what, it was worth it. And she also was coming out of a horrible divorce, too. And her ex was a total, how do you want to say it? He was like the parental alienation syndrome, you know, dad, who pitted all their kids because she had three kids from him. Yeah, yeah. And she pitted, there was the one middle son didn't talk to her for seven years. Yeah.

So while we were together, he would not come around because, like, he kept telling them that, like, Monica was just going through a midlife crisis. and she would eventually come back to him, even though we had already living together and married. So, yeah, it was, it was a very interesting time, but there's no doubt that I think Monica and I came together for a very, very spiritual purpose. And obviously now with our community and all the people that we're working with and helping,

it's all worked out perfect because we have that, like, experience to really sound off on. Yeah, that's cool, man. It's always fun having you run, bro. And so when can we expect Falstaten? I mean, you guys honestly are going to have Falostatin and Colotho probably within the next seven to ten days. I mean, if I have it on Thursday, I'll just have it mail to you guys.

Please. Yeah, I'll talk about it. No, you guys definitely, definitely want to have it. And, you know, we didn't talk about any of these products, but for sure, definitely try the Shred Max. I got one of these for you too. Because he won't take it. But you guys, for sure. You're like the best of worst friends for someone.

Sure, the bio mine. Oh, no, no, this one too. What do we got here? That's the, the bioamp max. All right. I see the ingredients. Well, just open it. All of you guys take it before you guys left because that, you'll be like, whoa.

Yeah, you don't mess around. That's for sure. For sure. It's always great. Always good time. Looking forward to our party this weekend. Yeah, for sure. Thank you so much for having me as always.

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