Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2863: The Top 10 Healthiest States In America

Episode Date: May 22, 2026

In this episode the guys break down the healthiest U.S. states versus where people actually live the longest, and answer listener questions on processed foods, deadlifts, abs, and training through menopause. SPONSORS Caldera Lab (skincare botanicals & peptides) — ⁠https://calderalab.com/MINDPUMP⁠ Code: MINDPUMP — 20% off first order Ketone IQ (exogenous ketones) — ⁠https://ketone.com/MINDPUMP⁠ 30% off first subscription order LMNT (electrolytes) — ⁠https://drinklmnt.com/MINDPUMP⁠ Free sample pack with any purchase   MAPS 15 BOGO — ⁠https://maps15bogo.com⁠ Buy 1 get 1 FREE — limited time (all 7 MAPS 15 programs same price)   LINKS Mind Pump Store: ⁠https://mindpumpstore.com⁠ Maps Fitness Products: ⁠https://mapsfitnessproducts.com⁠ Instagram: @mindpumpmedia   0:00 - Intro 1:54 - Healthiest states vs. where people actually live longest 7:42 - Longevity vs. healthspan — why frequent movement beats scheduled workouts 18:54 - Chores and gardening — the daily activity longevity link 34:19 - Online dating confessions 39:26 - Dad life stories 49:17 - Ketone IQ 51:43 - LMNT 52:19 - What "processed" really means — heavily engineered foods 55:07 - Deadlift vs. sumo — which is right for you 56:44 - Vacuum pose — pairing ab work with daily vacuums 58:04 - Building muscle during menopause — 2 days/week is enoughIn this episode the guys break down the healthiest U.S. states versus where people actually live the longest, and answer listener questions on processed foods, deadlifts, abs, and training through menopause.   SPONSORS Caldera Lab (skincare botanicals & peptides) — ⁠https://calderalab.com/MINDPUMP⁠ Code: MINDPUMP — 20% off first order Ketone IQ (exogenous ketones) — ⁠https://ketone.com/MINDPUMP⁠ 30% off first subscription order LMNT (electrolytes) — ⁠https://drinklmnt.com/MINDPUMP⁠ Free sample pack with any purchase   MAPS 15 BOGO — ⁠https://maps15bogo.com⁠ Buy 1 get 1 FREE — limited time (all 7 MAPS 15 programs same price)   LINKS Mind Pump Store: ⁠https://mindpumpstore.com⁠ Maps Fitness Products: ⁠https://mapsfitnessproducts.com⁠ Instagram: @mindpumpmedia   0:00 - Intro 1:54 - Healthiest states vs. where people actually live longest 7:42 - Longevity vs. healthspan — why frequent movement beats scheduled workouts 18:54 - Chores and gardening — the daily activity longevity link 34:19 - Online dating confessions 39:26 - Dad life stories 49:17 - Ketone IQ 51:43 - LMNT 52:19 - What "processed" really means — heavily engineered foods 55:07 - Deadlift vs. sumo — which is right for you 56:44 - Vacuum pose — pairing ab work with daily vacuums 58:04 - Building muscle during menopause — 2 days/week is enough  

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Here are the top 10 healthiest states in America. They have the longest lifespans. Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, California, Minnesota, Rhode Island, Utah, and New Hampshire. We're going to talk about why they live the longest. How did Minnesota sneak in there? Let's go. Yeah.

That one's the most surprising. The first few, I have a theory on why that is. So do I. Okay. Okay. I probably could speculate that because it's got so many lakes. But again, the winters are rough. Okay.

So here's what's interesting about the list that I just gave. Yeah, go to the first three and I think we could break down why the first thing. Well, before I do, so here's where this came from, right? So our media team oftentimes will give us ideas on things that they think would be interesting for us to talk about. And one of the ideas Danny brought to me was an article titled the top healthiest states in the U.S. for 2025. Now, anytime I hear that or see that, I want to look a little deeper. Yeah, like what are the parameters? Exactly.

Is it body fat? Is it how long people are living? Is it? That's right. Yeah. That's right. And so I looked at it and they were ranking this. They were looking at physical activity, smoking rates, air quality.

but then they're looking at things like access to health care, homicide. Like, they had like 99 metrics. And so they were basing what they thought the healthiest states were based off these metrics. Now, what I did is I looked up which states people actually live the longest. Because at the end of the day, that's where the rubber meets the road. Sure. Right. Like, what's the actual result?

Yeah. And does it line up with what these authors of this study predicted would be the healthiest states? What they list is the top healthiest states, the top 10. number one was New Hampshire, number two was Massachusetts, number three was Vermont, number four was Connecticut, number five was Utah, number six was Minnesota, then it goes Washington, Maryland. Number nine is Hawaii, and number 10 is Rhode Island. There's some crossover there, but you notice how the rankings were different? That seems more off to me. I think your list seems more predictable.

Well, of course, because it's actual lifespan. It's like how long are people actually living? Oh, so the first list was you. The first list was me looking up. Oh, yeah. The, how old people live in each state and then rank them. Give me the first three to five of yours. Of the one that I had?

Yeah, yeah, the ones you have. Hawaii, Massachusetts and New Jersey. So Hawaii, now, Hawaii was number nine on the other list. Massachusetts was number two on the other list, so that one matched up. And then New Jersey, interestingly, didn't even make their top ten. But those are the states where people live the longest. And just for reference, the national average is 77.5. five years.

Hawaii is 80, Massachusetts 79.8, and New Jersey is 79.6. Now, Hawaii, I'm going to guess, warm and a lot of walking, like, I think just that's going to be the, I mean, you, and even lifestyle. Like,

island lifestyle. I have family that live, a lot of family, actually, that live over in Hawaii, and it's a different lifestyle. It's less stress. There's, I mean, yeah, the stress. Like, work, show up when you get here. Yeah. Yeah, no, totally. It's very chill.

There's no speeding. There's none of that going on. Like, it's very chill vibes. And so that's got to play a role in just overall stress on the community. Lots of sunshine, a lot of walking, a lot of places. Access to fresh fruit, fresh fish. Yeah. They've got great cattle there and chicken there.

So you've got kind of good. access to food. It's funny you say what you said. My friend Sean, back in the day when I was managing gyms in the heyday at 24 Fitness, he was like a top general manager. This guy used to crush all the time. And they moved him to Honolulu. He's like, do you want to run a club in Honolulu? I almost transferred it. And make it crush, right? I know. I had a similar opportunity. And so he went over there and I would talk to him. And I'm like, what's it like, because he turned that club into a mega production? He's like, bro, it's crazy. He's like, do my staff shows up and flip-flops?

30, 40 minutes late. Nobody cares. I don't know what's going on over here, too. Everybody's super chill. So it was super funny. I didn't see that. But what I see with the commonalities with some of these, with a lot of these is like kind of good weather.

Near water. Yeah, I was going to say, because Florida's not on that list at all. I was surprised Florida is not on that list. Well, I was like, is it because of like the pill mill stuff and people come down there? Florida's in the South. Don't forget.

Florida's in the South. Yeah. So you get a lot of, because the top, the worst health states are, all in the south. Well, because, like, food and culture there is like crazy. Yeah, smoking and food and that kind of stuff. So don't forget that Florida.

Life sounds a little different. Yeah, like I've been to Disney World in Florida. And I know there's people from all over coming there, but you got a lot of people from Florida going to Disney World. Now, you go to Disneyland and you see some. It was like meth. Bro. Well, you see some obesity at Disneyland.

You go to Disney World and there's like traffic jams with scooters. There's dedicated scooter parking in lanes. It's different. It's definitely different. But one thing I see with a lot of these in common, I think, is... Near water. Walkable states, right? Sunshine and probably a lot of physical activity is a part of their lifestyle.

Is Massachusetts considered a lot of sunshine? No. Some of these are not, but a lot of them are. But I think the... Because it's smaller, I'm sure, like, there's a lot of more walkable city. That's what I was saying. I think a lot of walkable cities and near water, that has to be positive. Yeah, and there's also...

good high education rate and also good health care or access to health care. Those always play a big role. By the way, I want people understand this. When you see that the national average is 77 and a long living state is 80, you think, oh, okay, three years or two and a half years, like what's the big difference? It's actually a big difference. It's not just the time people are alive, but what that doesn't show you is how long people are sick for before they actually pass away. So it's a much bigger, two and a half years. It doesn't sound like a lot. But when you look at like health span, it actually is a lot more, more than you think. But yeah, I think exercise, access to this culture in some of these states around fitness is one of them. You know, like, now what's interesting, I didn't see Colorado on the top 10. I mean, I didn't see Colorado. I would think California and Arizona would be on there. California is. Oh, California is on there. Number six. Okay, so it is on there. say, Arizona's not? Arizona was not in the top.

So Arizona is, I remember reading an article on this, has more gyms per capita than like any other state. It would be interesting to see if there's a correlate with gyms. You would think? That's why I surprised Arizona is not on there. Like hiking and, I mean, there's a lot to do there. I mean, besides, you know, the desert, the summer is going to be horrible. What's interesting to me out of all of these is Hawaii because Hawaii is consistently number one. Yeah.

Like for a long time. For a long time. Well, so wouldn't you... They're always the top. Wouldn't you agree then that this just highlights, and we talk about this a lot, just this low-level stress that we all have a lot. And like, that's, of all the states, that's probably the most consistent. I don't know anybody who's ever talking about Hawaii being like a stressful area.

No. No. No, that's where you want to go to get away. Yeah, I was just saying, even their busy places. Yeah. Yeah. That's like, that's like San Francisco on the beach. That's their city.

It still has got chill vibes. Chill. Yeah. They also have a culture of family in Hawaii. So locals are very family-oriented. My friend Ryan, I don't know if you knew Ryan Junk. He was from Hawaii. And he would talk about this all the time.

I had other friends that were from Hawaii who did Jiu-Jitsu. And they would talk about this all time. That there was just like this, especially the locals. Very tight-knit, yeah. Yeah, tight-knit, kind of family-oriented. And you see this in the data. When people have good, strong connections to their community and family, they just live longer.

They just do better. Like some of the states with the highest suicide rates are also the ones where people tend to be the most isolated. And sometimes it's a distance thing or a location thing. Like I think Wyoming, if I'm not mistaken, has a really high suicide rate. Washington's the highest, isn't it, Doug? No. I don't know. Maybe.

I think so. Because the rain probably. Yeah, Washington is the highest. Or it was at one point. Seattle. With top ten states suicide rates. Yeah, Washington's up there. But family culture, weather, access to,

fruits, vegetables, and healthy I mean, I think the family and the stressing are the two big, big ones. I mean, really, I mean, because you have everywhere it isn't have the best diet. So even people eating off the rails a little bit everywhere you go. Like, I'm sure body fat percentage is high there

like everywhere else. But that just community, walking, sunshine. Those things have to be. Ooh, look at this. Top states by suicide. Oh, Alaska. I forgot Alaska is higher than Washington. Scroll down, Doug.

It goes Alaska, the part. It goes Alaska, Montana, Wyoming. Oh, wow. New Mexico. didn't make it. Yeah, those are all the... Okay, you want to know what's... The super sparse populated states.

You know what's crazy about this is that... Scroll down a little more. Utah is number six for suicide rate. They're also number nine for longevity. Huh. That's wild. That is weird. That they made it in both...

Yeah. Do they count suicides? Wow, I would not have guessed Idaho and Utah on the top six. That's... Or Colorado. Yeah. Huh. Yeah.

I'm not familiar with the states too much. What I kind of know about Utah because I have family, I have a cousin who's got family over there, is that Utah's kind of like California in the sense. You know what in California is like you're in one area and it looks like everybody's doing well

and you go to another area and like what is going on or we're in another planet? I think Utah is kind of like that too where there's like a high drug rate in certain areas. Yeah. And in other areas.

Sort of concentrated in certain areas. Yeah. But you know, just by talking, talking about this. I definitely would have thought of. I know. Solid potatoes. Just kidding.

I think what you, the thing to take away from this is daily activity. I think what you'll find in a lot of these states is people are relatively active for the most part, either because of the culture of the state encourages it or because of the way the cities are designed tends to encourage. In fact, big cities where it's inconvenient to drive tend to have better health. even though their air quality is so bad. I didn't even think California is the only one that has a blue zone

of all the ones you name. Loma Linda? Yeah. That's the Seventh-day Adventists. Yeah, but it's still in California. Yeah, it is. So that would boost California's numbers. I don't know how many people are in there to make that big.

California's such a big thing. I don't know how much of a skew that's going to do. Well, there was no other ones were there? I don't, I think Loma Linda is the only blue zone in America, if I'm not mistaken. I think you're right. But those are the seventh day I've been fixed. I feel like San Diego makes up for most of it because L.A. isn't doing too well right now.

No, no. Like health-wise. No, no. Yeah, you would think L.A. and San Francisco would bring it down quite a bit. You would think they would. Yeah. Although San Francisco probably counters because it's a walking city. So there's a lot of walking going on that probably counts.

So that's a great point. I have family that lived in San Francisco back and forth. And they're like, dude, it's so crazy. How easy it was for me to stay kind of fit. And I didn't go to the area. You actually don't see, so when you walk San Francisco, I was just there last weekend, when you walk the streets and you go, I just went to a big, like, play thing. There was lots of people.

You actually don't see a lot of obesity. No. You don't. Not like you see it in. You're not walking up. Just a lot of poop. Things just to see it everywhere. But I mean, no, really, you don't, you're, in fact, I would say I'd see a smaller

percentage of obesity walking San Francisco than I did. Now, there's a bit of a bias there, right? So the people that are probably obese there are probably not walking the streets. No. You know? No. And, you know, this, at one point, I was really interesting, interested in this kind of data. And we have this idea, uh, with longevity that workouts, scheduled workouts are what is

best for longevity. It's actually not. No. Now, scheduled workouts are good. So I'm not saying they're bad. Um, and certain workouts have a more of a protective effect. in relation to the time that you spend doing them. Like strength training is one of those things.

You don't need to spend a lot of time strength training to receive a longevity protective effect from it. Everything from insulin sensitivity, mitochondrial health, you know, a little bit of a metabolic boost, which helps with, you know, excess calorie consumption, strength with help with mobility. And you don't need to do a lot of it. Like the average person did a couple days a week, literally,

in doing strength training, the protective effect that you get from just a couple hours a week, outweighs any other kind of workout you would do for the same amount of time. That being said, if you want to move for longevity, it's daily. It's daily and it's throughout the day. So it's not like, yeah, I do a couple workouts a week or I work out once in the morning and then the rest of the day I do nothing, which is what it looks like for fit people. People who are fitness-minded, oftentimes what it looks like for them is they do one workout, most day,

but then the rest of the day they're sitting. Such a great conversation and, I mean, probably would ruffle some feathers that there's some arguments to be made that some of the most impressive physiques that we might see are not the most healthiest in terms of longevity when you compare to some of these people. The health markers might not be what you think. Yeah, no. Like you're saying, I mean, you might train at the gym five days week for an hour, hardcore. But then you sit all day long. And you're good about measuring your macros. And so...

Way better than nothing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But again, not... It's protective, but it's not... But, I mean, we would look at somebody maybe who, you know, walks 15, 20,000 steps every single day, gardens every day. No, the longest living... Maybe once a week, they live some way, so they do a lot of body, calisthenic type stuff.

You might look at that body and go like, come on. They're not that. But they are arguably healthier in terms of longevity, especially if you're outdoor gardening, walking, doing stuff like that. I will never, this was such a paradigm, just crushing moment for me as a, I was 19, went to Sicily to visit, to be with my family, my dad's side and my mom's side too. She's got some family there. And I remember we went to visit one of my, either one of my cousins or my aunts.

I don't know her very well, but she was, she was like, I think she was 80. She was almost 80 or she was 80. And we went to visit her and she lived in this really old town in Sicily, okay? And when I say old town, it's like the roads were made for horses. So there were roads you can't drive through. Or some of them in the tiny car that we had, you'd fold the rear viewing windows to the sides because you're going to drive by. And people, if they're outside, had to go inside or stand up against the wall to let you through.

So this is what the roads look like. And there were roads you couldn't go through. So we get to it, we park at the bottom of this hill. We walk up this old cobblestone road. And I mean, I'm 19 years old. like, you know, I work out or whatever. And I'm like, huffing. I'm like, oh, my God, where does she live?

We walk all the way up. Then we get to the bottom to the door. They, she buzzes us in. We open the door. And then we go up like three flights of stairs. And then we're where she lived in this tiny little apartment by herself, a widow. And she was like so functional could do whatever. And I remember I'm looking at her.

I'm like, how does she live alone? Who brings her her grocery? Like, how does this work? And so we left. I was talking to my dad about it. And I'm like, I'm like, blah, what? like how does she live here? He's like, what do you mean?

I'm like, well, how does she do everything? She goes, she does it herself. I'm like, she walks down the flight of stairs and goes down this hill and comes up this hill every single day. He goes, she does it probably twice a day, every day. She goes, this is where she goes to the market. She gets her food. She goes down to meet with her friends at the biazza.

Every single day, a couple days a week. Think about it, yeah. This is just what she does. There's no elevator. That's the thing. You know, and she was like 80. and so, you know, for people listening, you don't live in a situation.

If you don't probably live in a city, if you're listening in a modern, like America in particular, where this is just party life. And so if you want longevity, it's like, I guess, Europe has it all kind of still structured like that. Yeah, yeah, because the old towns.

Yeah, they get that a lot. Yeah. Well, I think one of the things you do is just, you got to, it just sounds stupid, but it's super, this is what the data shows. Do a lot of little walks all day long. Yeah. So simple, so basic. but you throw on a little bit of strength training and you've got you've got it cover.

I mean, this is what's reframed the way that I look at even chores and stuff around my house. I know if you've been listening to the podcast. It makes them more enjoyable, right? Yeah, I mean, there was a time where we've talked about this if you go far enough back where, you know, I made a big argument for, you know, outsourcing that to buy more time with family and stuff like that. And there's a part of that I can get behind for sure because I still utilize that to an extent. But not so much now where I go like, you know what, though, like, this is a big part

of me staying active. And like, so I look at it completely different now. It's just like, I need to do this activity for my health and longevity. It's like, I outsource all that activity, then I become more sedentary. If I'm more sedentary, then I don't live long enough. And if I'm claiming that it's for this time with my family and stuff like that, what good am I if I'm unhealthy and not living long? And so it's like, okay, there is a balance of. It also makes it more valuable, which makes it probably more enjoyable. Yeah, yeah, totally. He's like, I'm not just doing this because I need to clean the house.

Yeah, yeah. I'm actually doing this because it's good for me. Yes, yeah. And it makes you more present. Reframed it for sure. It's funny, like, I've been, like, slowly affected by Courtney's passion for gardening. And it's, I've been avoiding it because it's like, you know, it's gardening. You know, it's not that excited to talk about it's for old people.

You can't. But, you know, like, yeah, but now I'm like, I keep getting drawn in and like, it's just explaining the process and like all these different. Well, there's a show on Netflix now. funny with Zach Alfanax, and it's only like, they're like 15 minute like shorts, but it just, he's kind of like, in a kind of a really funny way educating, using kids and stuff to, to kind of describe like the process, but like going to farms and kind of like explain their process and showing, he's like, the future is egalitarian. And he's like trying to show all these like things you can do, uh, to, to be self sustainable and like all the stuff. And it's really interesting. And that was like

on the nuss is like the whole apple, like tasty apples. You can't get tasty apples not really grafting one to the, to the other plant. Oh. Otherwise, you'll never get like a good tasty apple. It's like always going to be kind of bitter. I don't know that.

You know, as we're talking about this too. Oh, that's why, like, fresh apples are typically like kind of a sour taste. Mm-hmm. Is that why? Because you have to, you have to cross-breed them in order to cross-breath them, yeah,

to get that flavor. To get that flavor. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I was like, I mean, and they're like, yeah, all of them.

Yeah, we had apple trees at one of my houses when I was a kid, and I remember how, like, sour they were in comparison to, like, the grocery store apples. I never really actually thought about that or knew why. But I tripped out because, like, yeah, and then they're describing, like, the tomatoes and, like, oh, my God, they taste. And I've experienced that. And that's what started to pull me in was because I talked to you guys, like, the carrots,

like, they taste completely different. The tomatoes taste like nothing I've ever had. Totally different. It's just like, yeah, you're not going to get that unless you literally cultivate it. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. As we're talking to, I'm thinking to myself, the other downstream effects of living in a town like the one I described. She did live alone, but just this simple act of going and walking through the town and walking to the store.

And she's not alone. Yeah. She's got community. She sees people every single day. Yeah. She's-people to hide her all the way down. Yeah. So, like, I make it a point when I'm at home with the kids that I always try to do activity.

with them that require that I take them on a long walk to get there because that's for me. The long walk's for me. Put them in a stroller. I have one of those double strollers with like jogging strollers. Yeah. And I'll put them in there and I'll just, okay, we're going to go to this place or we're going to go to the store. And I make sure it's, I try to pick like long walks. And almost every time I see people and we say hi to each other, you just surround people rather than like being just by yourself the whole time. So that's got to be another plus. Do you think that makes a comeback?

I think it's starting to shift in that direction. I hope so. I mean, again, I'm always like, I question like our bubble. Yeah, I know. Because we talk about it. You kind of hope for it, but yeah, yeah. It's a priority for us. It's something you're trying to foster.

It's like, hey, it feels like it's making a comeback. Is it though? Like, because we're obviously, we're moving more disconnected and more digital and all this stuff. I was just talking to a guy yesterday. Yeah. He's in his 30s. And I was talking about dating. And I asked him about dating app.

and he's like, no, I'm sick of him. I'm like, why? He's like, it's not real. He's like, you're putting up this like, this is who, you know, and then this other person, you're picking out, like you're going through a catalog.

You're creating an identity. He's like, and I've heard more and more people say that about the dating apps, that they're just like done with them because of that whole process. It's crazy that we all missed that. Yeah.

Thank God. I mean, yeah, but it needs to be able to nice people to talk about it from experience. I was on E-Harm. I have no experience with it at all. Zero. Don't know what it's like to make a profile,

swipe right. You guys never did that one time? Never. I did it one time. You did? I didn't know that. E-Harmony. One date.

No way. How are you not... God, this guy. We've known each other 20 years. It never came up. How's it going to come up? I'm going to randomly ask you? What else can we ask this guy?

We've talked about dating apps a thousand times. There was plenty of opportunity for you to share a story. We go, by the way, guys. We have to think of every question to ask this guy, bro. Yeah. Have you killed anyone? You ever been stabbed by a crack? Have you ever killed anyone that you had to ask that?

I'll have to think about that. So what happened? Yeah, no. So it's obviously before you were with. Yeah, it was before I was married. Confession. She's going to listen to you later. It was last year.

It's really awkward. No, it was actually late. The irony of it was kind of funny because, well, I'll get to that. But so, yeah, I was at my parents. I was living at my parents and I was still working at 24-hour fitness. Okay, so this is when you work for me? Yeah. So I was commuting to work at that point.

Tracer Hillsdale. How early is? Hillsdale. Oh, this is early, early? Yeah, this is early. Actually,

no, I take that back because I met Courtney at San Teresa. Yeah, it was San Teresa. But I hadn't moved yet. And so I was like kind of in limbo. And my parents at that point were trying to like set me up with people.

And like, you know, my one best friend I had growing up, you know, like their parents and my parents like have always tried to like, you know, connect us. And I was like, no,

she was like, she was like a sister to me, you know? Yeah. I was like, ugh. And, you know, it sucked because it was like, she was like into me and they got weird. I'm like, no, I just got to do this myself. You know, I'm like, I get to get out there.

And so I was like, it was like dial up. You know, like back then I think it was like really slow internet. And so it was like the very inception of the whole early days. Yeah, very early days of it. And you fill out this long form. Dude, like forever. And like they get, they tried to make it different in that they wanted to get to like all your core values. Like your morals, blah, blah, like all that kind of stuff.

Was your profile? What was your profile pick? I just picked the hush chick. No, what was your profile pick? Would you use? Yeah. And we'll get back to what you used. With a fish.

Come on. You had a football helmet. Oh, my God. Guitar football helmet in the back. Come on. Your truck? What did you do? What did you do?

What did you do? I have to think about it. Come on. Oh, you know what it was? I could probably find it. It was like when I was in my rockabilly face. Oh. I can picture.

I know what picture is. Yeah, you probably do it. It's like black and white. Black and white. Yes, I know. That's a winner. I had like my, uh, yeah, it was, it was. That's a, that's a different, for you to pick that, you, because that's just a part of you, in my opinion.

Oh, it was like a very small face. Yeah, sorry, that's like a small part of you. So like to use that, he's like, I'm hot. That's what it is. Well, I just thought I liked it because it was like, again, the portrayal, the, the, the person that you're like, oh, yeah, I thought it was like, it looked kind of cool like that, you know, but I'd never rock that, you know, like, full on, like, pompadour. and everything and I had yeah it was like like a country Western

I remember the pick I remember the pick yeah so anyway it yeah so I put that out there and like I was going through the I think I finally matched up with somebody you know the next day and it was like I had a few to look and I connected with her

and then we ended up going to like Dave and Busters and like set this whole thing up and she lived like far it was it was at the like like a milpedus area kind of like at the far end and so I was like oh this is she lives

far and I was like this is going to work out but then we ended up going and having a good time and I felt bad because like I was like she's a really nice girl you know all this stuff but while we're sitting there I always got a text message from Courtney and like she was like oh hey you know

I'm Mount Charlie's like come come hang out and I'm like because she had been ghosting me at this point because I gave up her because I was pursuing her so hard before this and then was just like you know what whatever dude she came in in the nick of time just literally dude like he could have lost you was this was this girl good kissed was a good was a good you and your day busters yeah oh wow so you would have ran it back yeah oh wow but then what he's saying come off like another date

you're not saying yeah that's right man okay that's right yeah yeah he's not going to say oh he's not I mean, I'm saying, I'm just going on. Hey, I don't know the link go, but. I never dated. I met go, another date. Oh, that does something. I knew what you're saying. Yeah, I was on the same.

I'm just going on another date. But yeah, she, and I was like, oh, man. And my whole, like, thought process just shifted immediately with her. And I, hold on. Did you kiss her after the text or before the text? No, I kissed her right, right before. Well, I got a text. just like, hey, what's up?

And it just kind of like, where do you make out of dating Busters? Outside the parking lot because she had to leave from there and I left. I've just, I've been there before?

Well, is that a lot of places to make out? No, kids. Yeah, who goes on a date? It just isn't for the basketball hoops. Yeah.

Who goes on a date and doesn't close the deal? Some kids like, hey, man, it's my turn. Yeah. Like, oh, we're just going to hug awkwardly, you know, like, oh,

wow. So, okay, so, okay, you make out with this chick. Yeah. How do you make out? Well, I mean, you kissed her. Okay, so you kiss this chick.

How do you let her down that you're not going to return her dick? She thinks she's getting a second date. I know. No, I didn't actually. That was before ghosting was a thing. Yeah, yeah. No, like, I was still kind of, like, conflicted because I didn't know how serious court he was. And so I was, like, still, like, you know, talking to her.

And then, you know, I went home and she was like, oh, like, all excited to do another date. And I was like, well, we'll see. Wow. And then I came clean. I was like, you know, I got to come clean. Like, I've been pursuing this girl for a while. You're honest? Yeah.

You're a good guy, dude. No, but it felt terrible. No way. I would definitely be honest like that. He was like a band-aid-and-a-bond. Now, that might be true. Here's a deal. I really like you too, though.

I don't want to put Adam. Whenever you gets a rose. When he gets a rose. So you had to let her down. Yeah, had to let her down. cool about it. She was crushed. I bet.

Crushed. Yeah. I mean, she understood, but she had. You could tell she was like super, super bump. And like, yeah, I did feel really bad about it because I totally let her on. Like, and I was like, yeah, yeah, we're going to hang out again. Well, yeah, you kissed on the first date. Of course you let her on.

But yeah, it was whatever. So, okay, so then Courtney, you go meet up with her how much short laughter like, did you guys go on your first day? Or are you still not even sure with her. She's like, yeah. So that's a little bit effort. You were like, the door's finally. He's like, it took a few weeks after that, I think. And then I finally got a date with her.

And then our first date was like, uh, the hills have eyes. Like the worst movie, you could take like a, that's a terrifying movie. She picked it, dude.

I'm like, I wanted to walk out. Do you know they've done studies on that? That horror movies cause physiological, arousal. Yeah. In women when they're with their date. So they might not.

Well, I was banking on that. Justin's like, this is the only reason why I'm sitting through this store. Yeah. But it was so messed up. Like, it ruined the whole vibe. There was no, like, romantic feeling.

I'm such an anti-scarry guy that if a, that would, that would kill it for me. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, this is not going to work. If you want to do this on our first day, this is not going to work. I was like, oh, she's getting, get scared. Yeah. Wow, that's a cool story, dude. So, yeah.

I can't believe you did that. You never told that, dude. Speaking of which, I got a only date. We got a DM. I think it was a Mind Pump Media page. It might have been the MindPit Media page. Someone DMed us. And I'm like, I can't believe that you guys advertise with Ashley Madison.

I'm so disappointed. We don't advertise with them. And so we got to set the record straight. I almost don't want to bring attention. We talked about this because McDonald's was on the front of one of our things one time. It's not like we partnered with the McDonald's. Spotify. It's Spotify, right?

It's true Lipson. Yeah, there's actually two. We have Spotify and Lipson. They both have their own ads. So they add their own ads in front of our podcast. If you listen. Same with YouTube. Yeah.

YouTube. Yeah, we don't choose any of this. We are not, we are, there's no connection to Ashley Madison or McDonald's. Our ads are when it comes out of our mouth. Yes. We talk. Because we do not advocate for that terrible. Horrible, you know, just family destroying site.

That's not something we support at all. Yeah. But I don't even know that's what that was until you, you set that. Yeah. And by the way, a huge data breach. Yeah, I thought it was furniture. I didn't even know. You thought Ashley Madison was.

Oh, just hearing it sounds like a furniture store. There is an Ashley furniture store. No, it's a freaking site for people to cheat on their spouse. That's an actual dating set. There was a whole documentary on them because they got busted. Remember they were there? They're still around.

That's great. They had a huge week. Didn't it leak all their stuff leaked out? People got found out and everything. People were getting divorced. Oh my God. Have you guys heard the stories of couples that go on Ashley Madison? Like they're trying to like cheat on each other and they link up with you?

No. Yes. No. Oh my God. That would be hilarious. How do you get mad? You can't? Like wait a minute.

Wait a minute. Yeah. Oh, crap. Whole another conversation. Yeah. Does it bring him? Hey, does it bring them closer? God, we're kind of alike, you know?

Why don't we just pretend? Yeah, yeah. What a dysfunctional. I mean, that's like... Just can treat you as a stranger from now on. Oh, God. Wow. I know, terrible.

Have you ever known anybody who's done that? Ashley Madison? Yeah, who's used it? No, no. I don't think anybody would tell anybody. Yeah, yeah. That's probably a big secret. Like, hey, bro, you know, I know my wife and kids, but...

I mean, there's... I met some chick on Ashley. Come on. People tell you. Maybe, maybe not dudes. Chicks definitely tell each other. that they do stuff like that? Yes.

Of course. Tell your girl. That's a good question. I wonder, yeah. If, like, I bet you women more likely the men would tell their friends. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're a per example of who, you know, we just found out you got to eat

already after. I don't say anything. Nothing, dude. It took 20 years to tell us. I wonder. I got to think of weird questions. I know. That's why I'm like, I'm going to make a list when I go home of like all the things I need

to ask just weird. Yeah. Well, I guess. I mean, you guys missed the boat for online dating. Well, we've talked about online. dating so many times. If I had done it one time, I would have shared the opportunity. I would have been like, oh, you know, I tried it one time.

I feel like I got blazed over. You're only at your default move now, bro. This is like, you know, I did talk about you guys talk so much we didn't hear it. It's what I'm talking about yourself. That's how I protect myself. Yeah. I did. I have.

Yeah. I do you have. What's your experience? Now too. Well, Rachel is that's how I met Rachel. That's how I met Rachel that way? Yeah. I did not know that.

That was right 2020 in the heart of COVID. It was like, you know. So you're a success story. I am a success story, I guess you'd say. Yeah. Are you on multiple ones or one? No, just the one. What was the one you were on?

E harmony. I think that's the one I was on. Was it plenty of fish? No, I didn't do that. I just did the one. Too lazy, you know, creating those profiles. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work trying to get on those things.

Did you do any failed dates before, Rachel? No farmers only. I think I've gone on, I went on a couple others. Yeah. That you didn't tell us about. Well, why would I? tell you. I mean, honestly.

We're friends. So we can tell the whole world. Well, exactly. Just between us, you guys. You know, Justin and I share, I won't tell anybody. Justin and I share that we're like, okay, we kind of keep our private life to ourselves, you know, that's kind of why we don't share every little detail. Do you guys tell each other stuff?

No, we don't even have a separate, we have a separate text there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's a secret. No, I think I went on to. Don't tell salad out of them. The thing says don't tell salad out of them. Half of it is them complaining about us. Talks so much.

While we're talking, they're texting each other. No, I don't talk that much in real life. So this is all normal. Yeah. You're not that quiet, though. I don't know what you say that. It's not. I just, you know, I like listening and engaging when it's a...

Well, you know, it goes along with your strength. You have a really good discernment. You really do. You have, like, gifted discernment for people. Because Justin's almost... He listens so well, that's why. I think, well, as I said, it goes along with it. He listened so long.

You know how many times we met people and just like, I don't know about that guy or whatever. It turns out they're a dirtbag. And he picks up on it. You'd be good too if you listen. Sorry. You just don't listen. Huh?

What'd you say? I feel like you'd have a radar too. Just don't listen. How many times they go, Sal, Sal, this is for you. Sal, we're talking to you. Justin's just as good at listening. I'm just bored.

Yeah. You just got to say peptide in front of me. Yeah, yeah. Hey, speaking of peptides and stuff. So Caldera Lab. So their products, they sent us to say they have five peptides that they work with in many of their products. And then they used the natural botanicals. And they looked up some of the botanicals that are in their products.

Yeah. Doug listed them here, which is pretty cool. And I'd like you to look some of these up, Doug. Okay. So one of them is Spelanthes, which I've never heard of. That's for wrinkles. Plant stem cells for free radical damage. I'm familiar with that.

Estragulus root for tightness. Snow mushroom for hydration. Wow. their flower for skin tone, and then there's fireweed for healing and for balance. I'm not familiar with spalanthus, Doug. Fireweed and snowmush. Can you imagine having to go, like, forage for this stuff? I feel like you'd be all over the world.

Impossible. Yeah. So it contains something called Spelanthal, which is interestingly, a local anesthetic. Wow. Yeah, it's good for oral health. It has medicinal properties such as anti-inflammatory, anti-miflantle, anti-microbial, immune-stimulating properties. And in cosmetics, it's referred to as the natural Botox.

Oh, wow. Due to its ability to relax facial muscles reduce the appearance of fine lines. Oh, wow. Yeah. They crush it. Wait, that was that, that's a peptide or that's something else? No, no, no, these are all plants.

Those are all plants. These are all herbs and plants. Okay. And then they pair that with some peptides. They have peptides. You know what's crazy? I learned about retinol. So retinol is one of the most popular.

common ingredients in like skin products. Do you know what retinal does? It dramatically increases cell turnover. So in other words, it helps kill cells on the surface to get new ones to produce. So this is why one of the side effects of retinol is like dryness, irritation, sun sensitivity.

So retinol can make you sensitive to the sun where you burn easier. Because your top layer's gone. Yeah, but the stuff that they're using Caldera Labs, labs, excuse me, works with your natural skin. So I've noticed with, like, I always use the example of me and Justin

because we have such different skin, right? Mine is more oily. His is more dry. We both use the serum, which is an oil. Which I would expect to work well for dry skin. I would expect it would make me too oily. It doesn't. It actually balances me out.

Yeah. And it does the same thing. We should, we should rebrand that somehow like, your equator and I'm like north. What? The crater skin is the good. That's the good. Yeah, that's my favorite.

Yeah, dude. That stuff's amazing. I told you guys, my cousins, when they came to the Christmas party, they got the gift bags where we included it. None of them are like skincare. We're all dudes, right? Now all of them, they've seen the text threat. They're like, oh, can't believe I used stuff.

It converted us. It converted us. Yeah, dude. So anyway, the hydro layer is what I've been using a lot lately as well. The hydro layer is the cream. The cream. Right? Yes, yes.

I actually need some more. And it works really well. I've just run out of mine. I got to tell you guys, dude, about what Aurelia said to Jessica the other day. What? You know, so he's in this phase right now. He's five.

He's such a fun phase. So he's in this phase where he idolizes me, which I got to tell you. Not you, you guys, you know this. You guys both know this. Yep. As a dad, when your kid, especially your son idolizes you, it's such a wonderful feeling. Does it get better than that? It doesn't.

It doesn't. They just think you're awesome. And then they want to do it. They want to be like you. Yeah. You know? So he says things like, hey, what do you want to do when you grow up? I want to work at mind pump.

You know, he says stuff like that. And he makes, he'll steal her phone. And he'll record videos of himself. And every video, he'll get on there. He makes his funny face. He flexes. And then he goes, you know, my name is Aurelius. And I work at mind pump.

I make muscles. And he does this thing. Anyway, you know what he told her? Yeah. He said, he goes, mom, can I ask you a question? She's like, yeah, he's like, am I looking muscular? And she's like, why? And he goes, I've been bodybuilding.

Can you tell? She's like, I think so. What is he doing? He's watching you. I got to ask him, like, what does he think bodybuilding is? That's so awesome. I love when they're like that. Max is still there.

Katrina's always trying to change it. She's just like, what do you want to do? Because he wants to do what I want to do. He likes the foods that I like, and I love it. She'll be like, well, what do you want to do Max for this? And he'll be like, I want to do what he wants to do. Yeah, yeah. And Katrina's like, well, what do you want to do?

I want to do that. That's what I want to do it? Yeah, yeah. And I'm always getting his back. Hey, let him do it. He wants to do it. I do it too. It's the best feeling. I was watching the other day on the, what is it, like a nanny cam. And he was having trouble going to bed. He's going through this little phase where he's getting

scared at night. And so Jessica tries to, you know, encourage him and leave. Well, anyway, one of these nights, he just kept saying he was scared. So she reluctantly, because it's late, you're tired. And she always does a good job with this, but she's like, oh, okay. So she went down there and she'll sit next to his bed until he falls asleep. And he's so, so I was watching it on the camera. And he's so funny. He's sitting there laying there and he sits up and he goes, mom, I just want you to know you're the best mom in the world. Thank you so much for doing this. And I could just see her just, oh, it's worth it. Yeah. A snicker bar for seeing. It's so worth it when you hear the end. We still, we still let Max come in. I'm like, telling Katrina, I'm like, we're probably getting close to her.

We're going to have to stop that pretty soon here because he's, well. He's just coming your bed. Yeah, he comes. So our rule is that he has to, he goes to bed, he stays in bed. And in the morning time he can come in. And morning is sometimes five in the morning, six in the morning. It's always, it's early like that. But he can climb in at that time. Does he go back to sleep? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's part of the rule. If you're going to be, otherwise, if you're going to be up, you go play at the morning. You can't stay. And he will sometimes. Sometimes he'll stay up and he'll go play and entertain himself for the next two hours or whatever. But we've let him come in. And I still, I lay with him every night. So it's almost seven years straight. I mean, I just remind myself that like. That's going to end at something. Yeah, at one point, he's not going to want me to do this. And so I'm going to gobble it up for as long as I can. There reaches a point. I know you've done this already, Justin, because you've got teenagers. where you're like, hey, buddy, do you want to do this thing?

Like, no, I'm going to go do something else. Right. And it's like, there's like this switch that happened. It's supposed to happen. But there's a piece of you that goes, oh, no. Part of you dies. Oh, of course. And I every dad, dad, buddy of mine I know that's told me that.

Like, I remind myself that of that. Like, I'm going to not get this. Not to mention, at least for me, this is this way, some of the best conversations, because he wants to stay awake, right? Yeah. So it's when he becomes the most talkative or shares the most is laying in bed. So I love to come lay in bed with him because then he'll tell me stuff that he wouldn't have told me. During the day, he's playing, he's doing his thing.

How was school? Oh, it's fine. What'd you do? He has nothing to chair. But laying in bed when it's time to go to sleep and you're supposed to be sleeping, then he'll tell me all about his day and all the things you learned and conversations. Yeah. So I'm like, you know what?

This is so worth it. I remind myself because what he'll do, Dahlia is still too young, but she gets, I'm sure she'll hit this phase. But he's like at the stage, he'll just ask me. question after question after question. And I find myself getting like a little tired. Then I remind myself like, you know, but his questions are hilarious. Like he's like, you know, I'm going to walk, you know, like on those long walks. Hey, Papa, yeah.

And he goes, can I have a sleepy dark gun? Like, no, you can't have a, well, why not? And I'm like, well, I think they're illegal for people to own. He goes, but they use them on animals. I'm like, yeah, if you shoot an elephant with a sleepy dark gun, how long will it take for them to fall asleep? And then he just turns into the cycle. He just watched Utopia or what? He did.

Maybe that's where he got it from. It is from that. Oh, gosh. Because Max, he asked about the same thing. It was a sleepy dart. That's what I know about that. He asked if they were real.

He's like, Daddy, are those real? I was like, he didn't watch old school, did he? No, it's from Zootopia. In Zutopia, they make that, I don't know if it's part one or part two, but one of the Zootopias, that's what he's shooting the animals with. Yeah, yeah, with the sleepy darts. Oh, God, even put that together. Yeah, yeah.

So he probably, and he loves to ask. Max asks all about that, too. I'm like having to explain. Did you get those versus books for him? The what? Animal versus books. You know what? I don't think I ever got those.

Oh, you got to get them, dude. I ordered them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You totally made me for, or I forgot all about it until you just said that. I got, we got all of them. Yeah. They're crazy, Justin. They're like, like, who wins in a fight?

And it pairs animals against. A king cobra versus a, you know, a lizard. He loves that conversation. They're great books. And you go through and you read about, and then the battle at the end, you have to guess who wins. Oh, that's even better. Yeah, we did that with videos. link on YouTube for a while.

Oh, you watch real ones? Yeah. Oh, no, no. This is pretend. I can't get him to watch. So, oh, man, I did this. Speaking of the thing. So did I send this to you guys, that, that wasp?

And I think it's South Africa. Oh, the one that grabbed the, uh, the spider. Yeah, it's a, uh, bro. There is a wasp. And I think, I think it's South America. Yeah. Okay, so it grabbed.

On the pain meter, it's like number two, I believe it's to the bullet. So listen to what this thing does. Trenchel hawk. Yes. It's a trantula hawk. It's a wasp. It's a good size one. And it's carrying a big trantula up.

It's flying with it? No, it's, yeah. Oh, well, it's carrying it up like it's walking. Uh-oh, uh-oh. And so it, so it stings the back of the trantula. And the trantula can't move. So it totally paralyzes the spider. Yeah.

Then it carries it up and then it cocoons it alive and then burrows its eggs in it, lays its eggs inside the spider while it's alive. And then so it's young can eat it. And then the young eat every organ that. that's not vital. So everything that keeps it alive as long as possible until the very end. That's a, that's terrifying. Is that that the most terrifying that you've ever heard?

I've never heard that before or seen this thing before. Imagine if we had a predator just stalking us like that to do some, like, like, cocoons you alive, then puts its children in you to eat you alive. That is wild. So,

the fact that it's a spider, that's okay. So, yeah, I know, I'm like, all for it was, it was,

all the video was showing was that the was the was that the was, carrying the spider up a thing. And so I was showing Max. I'm like, dude, check this out. And he's like, he doesn't like watching video. And I'm like, it doesn't do anything scary. I'm just showing you.

And he's like looking like this. Yeah. So that night, he has a nightmare about getting stung by a wasp. Oh. I get laid into. You know he doesn't like stuff like that. Why are you showing him? I'm like, it didn't have anything scary.

It was literally a wasp and a spider on nature. Yeah, dude. He does not like videos like that. Of course, he had a nightmare. Katrina had to have explained to him. Those don't exist over here. in California. You don't have to worry about those waifs.

The wasp that we have aren't like that. It's like, oh, God. Forget his name. It's like Cody Peterson or something. He has like a YouTube channel and he's like. This is the guy that stings himself? Yeah. Yeah.

He tests him out. He tests out on the pain scale like every one of those bites, like personally. And then he's like, oh, it just bit me. And he like isolates it and he shows, you know, it growing. And then the next day what it looks like. And I'm like, dude, this guy, he needs like a Nobel Prize. For views? Yeah.

But like it's all for nature. He's not doing it just, I mean, obviously, he's going to get a lot of views because we all just want to see him get, like, stung. I don't know if I could watch that. That's what it's not. I mean, I don't, after I saw that and I read what it does, I'm like, I don't think I know of anything more vicious or, like, bad than, like, what other animal does something? And I know there's, there's, there's, what is it? Is it praying mantis that the, that they'll mate and cut the, and then snap the other person's head off? It eats the head off.

Yeah. I'll take that all day long over injecting your children to me to eat my insides out. I mean, does it get worse than that? Yeah, there's insects. There's other insects that do that kind of stuff. Really?

Yeah, I'm trying to remember. I'd never read anything like that before. And I was like, I dug deeper because I'm like, this can't be true. This is really what happens. And it was like everything you said. It was like they literally not only do they do that, but then they eat the organs that keep it alive.

And they're conscious. Yeah, that's what. And you're trapped. Like, please. Just snap my neck. I would much rather just cut me. Like, that's got to be the worst, right? Awful, man.

I think there's a tribe somewhere that uses bullet ants as a coming of age. They put on gloves. It's a glove. They put on these like wicker gloves filled with bullet ants. And it's like as a boy becomes a man, he has to withstand it. And they stand there and let these ants sting the crap out of them. It's the most painful thing that there is. And you're not supposed to like yell or cry.

They're there. Look at the picture of the dude. Just wearing the glove and just letting them just bite his hands. I wonder how long they have to do that for. I forgot. Oh, my gosh. I know. I know.

Yeah, and there's some hornets and, you know, 10 minutes. Oh, God. Hey, I got, oh, quick, real quick. We're like 45. They cause paralysis, hallucinations and days of shaking. Oh, God. All right, listen. We have to do that 20 times.

Is that going to be our next YouTube choice? No, I got to ask you guys, we're about 45 minutes in. I gave you key tone IQ at the beginning of the podcast. What do you guys feel? Always more clear. It's wild, right? Sharp. Yeah.

Isn't it wild? Yeah. It's like the best thing. I mean, I like that I can have it with my caffeine too. Yeah, because there's no caffeine in it. Yeah. It's the best. I mean, I use it and I notice every time I take one of their shots of ketones.

It takes about 20 minutes or so. Yeah. And I just feel really sharp. You'll do up to three in a day. I haven't done that yet. Yeah, I'll do one in the morning, one at lunch, and sometimes I'll do one before I leave. So ketones themselves are a bit neuroprotective. Yeah.

Because I've recommended this, my friend recently, because he had, like an unfortunate stroke. It was like kind of a random thing. But like, I'm like, this might be great for the brain. It's a really easy, clean source of energy. So your brain just operates really well on ketones. And oftentimes mental fog, issues with clarity where you're like, why do I feel like I'm not that sharp?

It's actually the energy systems of the brain. So creatine. That's why cratine helps with it. And then ketones. And because of ketone IQ, you just take a shot of it instead of having to ketogenic diet. Well, what's cool is that you can get the benefits of going into ketosis without being in ketosis, which is really cool. Because the ketogenic diet sucks.

Well, yeah, you either got to fast for a good 24 plus hours to get into ketosis or you're going to be on a ketogenic diet, which is unbelievably restrictive. Yeah. To get yourself down. As I remember, it took a few days of the ketogenic diet before I actually even fell into ketosis. Because you have to be really, really strict on the cards. You be dialed, yeah. Yeah. And that's just, I mean, that's not a realistic way.

But there's all these incredible benefits that we were aware of. So the fact that you could just take a, you know, exogenous supplement and then get in there is awesome. It's great. You want mental clarity. You want athletic performance. You want whatever. Now, do you know how long it, like, because you're not technically getting into ketosis. All you're doing is getting up the ketone.

You're getting the benefits of it. Hours. Okay. Yeah, it lasts hours. You can actually test it. You can get a ketone strip. You could drink ketone IQ. Wait 30 minutes.

P on the strip. Oh, you'll, you'll show that you're in ketosis, like straight up. You'll measure into a nice. Oh, I didn't know that. You get a nice purple color on the. Oh, I didn't know. The ketone script. So you just kind of shift over and prioritize it.

You use both. You're using both. You're using both. But your brain loves ketone. Well, yeah, it loves it. It'd be kind of a cool test to actually use the urine test to see how long that you're still showing that. Yeah. Those strips are cheap.

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Ali Mac 122. One of your most recent podcast, The title is Lose Wade After 30 keeps talking about removing processed foods. Can you please clarify what you mean by process? Because pre-washed spinach is processed. Canned and flash frozen vegetables are processed. Peeled and frozen shrimp are processed. Just curious as to what you all consider is good versus bad in the world of process.

All those would be fine. Sal says minimally processed is another way to say it. There's another I've heard people say, which I think is a great, If it didn't exist 200 years ago, yeah. Like, that's just, that's an easy way to do it also. Yeah. Like,

all those things that you just listed existed 200 years ago. Yeah, they did. So, it's just so funny. I had a client once who got this crazy debate with me. Well, when you say processed, like, what do you mean? Like, they have to wash the apple. That's like, okay, listen. It's the same thing with bad chemicals and they reduce it down to molecules.

No, we're referring to heavily processed foods. These are foods that typically have a lot of ingredients. They're not in their natural form. So, like, a cookie, there is no cookie tree. you can find flash frozen vegetables, but those vegetables exist in nature. Yeah. So minimally processed would be there. But yeah, food that has a long shelf life, but like one or a few ingredients is okay.

When we say processed, we're talking about heavily processed foods, foods that are not anywhere near their natural state. Okay. They're foods. They're engineered. They're engineered foods. And the reason why they're not good is because the science that goes into making them is geared towards making them hyper-palatable, which means you're going to overeat them. It throws off your satiety. You're just not going to feel satisfied at the same time as you would with something that's, let's say, whole and natural.

And so it just causes you to overeat. So one of the easiest ways to eat an appropriate amount is you simply eliminate those foods and you'll naturally fall into a caloric intake that's much more appropriate. I mean, can you poke holes in the 200 years? I can't think of a situation where like what's been around for 200 years that you couldn't. I mean, that's one way to say it, I guess. You can totally say that. I mean, I felt like that simplifies this for people because people do ask stuff like. this all the time. Well, there's technically, even like meat is processed somewhat. Like they had,

you know what I'm saying? It's like, yeah, there's processed. It's like if it was ever, if this was around 200 years ago, you could eat that food, they need it. It's typically single ingredient kind of stuff. Like all the stuff that this person listed, um, you know, yeah, like frozen shrimp when you, what's in, what's the ingredient in there? Shrimp. Right. You know, flash frozen vegetables. What's the ingredient? Vegetables. It's pre-washed spinach. It's spinach. Yeah. Now if it was like, um, you know, uh, vegetable chips. Yeah. That's totally different.

If it was shrimp-flavored chips, that's different. Yeah. Well, it was usually for me, it was like the middle of the grocery store. Like, you just avoid. Like, you just, like, would do the perimeter. That's 100%. That's where you're going to find it better. 100%.

All right. Our next question is from pretty, pretty Patty 10. What is better? Conventional deadlifts or sumo? What are the big differences? Does it truly make a difference doing one over the other? So they're both called a deadlift. They're both.

They both qualify in powerlifting. Conventional, though, is better. But if you power lift, if you compete in powerlifting, they'll accept either a sumo or conventional as your deadlift. This has added a lot of confusion because it's made them the same exercise. They're not. They're not. Conventional deadlift is better.

It's a fuller range of motion. It is, but they're different. It's like doing both. You know, it's like saying a hack squat versus a barbell squat or a front squat versus a ball squat. Yeah, but if you're only going to do one of them, which one are you picking? Conventional deadlift all day long. Probably. Yeah, not probably.

It hits the whole posterior chain, yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, it's a greater range of motion. I think it's probably more functional. Yeah, it's definitely. But I think both, do both in your routine. Yeah, I mean, I love, I program sumo dead lifts all the time, especially for my female clients that want to develop their glutes, because I think it's great for glute drive.

I think it's great for that, and your glute meads more involved because of your stance. And so if you want to develop your butt, both are great for developing your butt, but if it's, I program both and use the sumo for that reason. But if you're not competing and you're only going to primarily do one, I'm going to make you, I'm going to have you do conventional. That's typically, that's what I would teach. Yeah. Almost always was the convention.

But again, the confusion is that they're like, they're interchangeable because they're not the same exercise. Powerlifting is added to that confusion because they accept both, but they're not. Yeah, you said it well. It's like comparing a front squat to a back squat. Yeah. Very different. They're both squats, but they're different.

Yeah. Next question is from Sarah Beth for Prez. Can I train abs with cable crunches, decline situps and leg raises through the week while still doing vacuum poses daily. Yeah, you can do vacuum poses all the time. Yeah. That's a low intensity, low, you know, tension exercise. It's not asymmetric.

Vacuum poses, you know what they're good for? Connecting to the muscles that brace the core. Yeah, getting the TVA. That's something to do. Now, the only downside is don't do them so much that you're like not breathing well. They're like, don't try to hold it all day long so that you're shallow breathing.

But practicing, that's the best way to do vacuum poses is to do them throughout the day. Frequently. Absolutely. Absolutely. This is what I used to tell my clients is I would put them in that posture pose where it naturally draws you in. I'd be like, you feel that like the way you're drawn in. Totally.

Just practice that all day. Like I just, this is something I try. I notice when I'm driving in my car, sitting on planes, like I'll slouch and then I'll feel myself to do that. And then I'll activate and just tense up for a while and just try and do that as frequently as possible. Yeah. My post, my, like, what is it called? Post-pregnant or what's the term I'm looking for? I can't remember.

I can't believe I can't. Postpartum. Thank you very much. My postpartum clients daily vacuum poses was like always part of their routine. It made such a big difference with bringing their midsection in but also just give us. Oh, reconnection is huge with that. Next question is from Ney Glintz. At 54 years old, I am following anabolic and lifting two days per week.

Is that enough to prevent the muscle loss associated with menopause and aging? Or am I just slowing down the muscle loss process? Am I actually able to build muscle at this age? Because right now I feel as if I'm losing muscle fast and gaining fat equally as fast. One strength training session every two weeks is enough to prevent the muscle loss. You're going to build muscle at two days a week.

Now, if you're not building muscle, it's probably diet and or maybe you're doing the routine wrong or the intensity's wrong or your sleep is off. So I would recommend, this is what I recommend to clients who are like asking questions like this. hire a trainer for like two months. Hire a trainer for two months. Learn how to do things properly.

Have them coach you. You'll get so much out of that. The other thing would be hormones too, Sal, right? Like, I mean, hopefully you have somebody who's, because if someone like this is on like, if they're estrogen, progesterone, everything's all off really bad, a lot of times, too, you could be. They'll still build muscle.

Just not like they normally would, but we have a guy in here that trains a little over clients who's on testosterone suppression. You know what I'm talking about. He had a testosterone sensitive. cancer. They had to not just, they put him on medication to bring his testosterone down. It measures at like 20.

Okay. He just hit a PR on deadlifts at 225. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so the muscle building process still happens. When your hormones off, it makes it harder,

but you're still, I've trained many women in menopause. None of them did, many of them didn't do hormone therapy. And they still built muscle and got results. The potentials still that. For hormone therapy makes it easier for sure. Yeah.

But they still built muscle. I felt like I had, Menopausal women were one of the hardest clients I had to show good results with. And I felt like the ones that did get their hormones balanced. It does make a difference. It made a huge difference. Especially if you are listening right now and you feel like you're checking the boxes. My sleep's pretty good.

I'm hitting my macros. I'm following a good program. And then still not seeing results. Then most often than not, fixing the hormones are going to see someone to get like hormone replacement therapy. Like that made a big difference. But two days a week is plenty. It's plenty. I mean, one day a week, well, she can see results.

Most of my clients that were menopausal did one day a week with me. They were active the rest of the week. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's Mind Pump Media. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance.

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