Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2864: America's Most Jacked Cities, Parasite Cleanses, Coaching Callers on Building Muscle, Bone Density & Fat Loss

Episode Date: May 23, 2026

In this live caller episode, the guys break down America's "most jacked" cities, talk about parasite cleanses, and coach four callers through muscle building, increasing bone density, and nutrition. �� SPONSORS Organifi (Parasite Cleanse Kit) — ⁠https://organifi.com/mindpump⁠ Code: MINDPUMP — 20% off Seed (probiotic & multivitamin) — ⁠https://seed.com/mindpump⁠ Code: 25MINDPUMP — 25% off first month MAPS 15 BOGO — ⁠https://maps15bogo.com⁠ Buy 1 get 1 FREE — limited time (all 7 MAPS 15 programs same price) LINKS Mind Pump Store: ⁠https://mindpumpstore.com ⁠ Maps Fitness Products: ⁠https://mapsfitnessproducts.com ⁠ Instagram: @mindpumpmedia   0:00 - Intro 2:23 - America's "most jacked" cities — how they're ranked 8:38 - Top 10 jacked cities, and why LA ranks so low 19:51 - Parasite Cleanse 24:53 - How the cleanse works and why gut issues stall gains 1:02:08 - Caller #1 1:12:21 - Caller #2 1:24:11 - Why bone builds like muscle, and the calories to fuel it 1:34:32 - Caller #3 1:44:20 - Caller #4  

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Enjoy the rest of the show. All right, they did a really cool study. They actually ranked cities in America and found the top most jacked cities. Where does your city rank? We're going to break it down. Right now, we'll talk about which cities are at the top. Let's go. So I'm curious to how closely aligned this is to the longevity ones.

Since we know how protective muscle is and the benefits of that, it's very pro-longivity. So is it almost identical as the longevity ones or is it not? See, here's a deal. You've got to ask yourself, how do they rank the most jack cities? is this study going around big cities and testing people's like muscle mass and strength? Probably body fat percentage. Or body fat percentage?

And the answer is no. How do you do that? Where are they going to do that? Seems impossible. That would be very expensive. So how are they doing it? Like based on like gym memberships or something? Yeah, amount of gyms.

Oh, that's Arizona's. I told you guys. Hold on. Okay. Relax. Jumping. I know, calm down. They go around and what they're looking at

what the data is, Two things, two factors based off of this one, like an observational study. It was gyms. So strength training gyms or concentration of strength training gyms. And then they also looked at protein consumption. So much protein consumption. Yeah, like high protein meals and how much people eat meat and that kind of stuff. Okay.

And so they combined the two and came up with their list of the most Jack cities. Now, I just, I want to be clear, both of those are probably not going to give you what we would define as most Jack City, which would be, you know, muscle mass, strength, maybe body fat percentage. But I do like this list because, especially gym concentration, I think it's interesting, right?

It is interesting because I just say something about the culture of a city because gyms are... It's a priority. So, yeah, that would make sense that they're private companies. Yeah, they wouldn't last if people weren't going. That's right.

Like, gyms don't have huge margins. People aren't familiar. They're not like big money-making. companies. They can make a lot of money, but it's not, like, if you were to rank like gyms in terms of profitability and compared to other types of businesses, they're not near the top. It's not like a grocery store or a gas station that we have to go to. So just because of pure population, it's going to have so many. It's like people choose to go to the gym and they're not very profitable. So for a place to serve, a lot of gyms are surviving

that means a lot of people are probably going. 100%. It's reflecting a high demand. You've got a lot of gyms in a city in comparison to other cities. What you see is a high demand for gyms. A lot of people pay the membership to go work out. I'd be curious, too, to see how some cities have shifted maybe, like an added a lot more gyms over the years versus, you know. Good. I wish I could look that up. That'd be an interesting thing.

But, yeah. Yeah, like how much has it shifted over the last 50 years or something based on demand? That's a really good one. So I'm sad to say that where we live didn't make that list. Although one city, relatively close by does. And the reason why I'm sad to say that is we were brought up in the fitness industry, in the Bay Area. We all started in the San Jose area. And this was for me in the late 90s, I think you guys in the early 2000s.

And the gyms that we were a part of in the Bay Area were some of the highest producing gyms in the country by far. They like to set the standard for big box gyms back then. Right now it's probably different. But back then, that's kind of like, this is kind of like, this. This was like the epicenter for profitable big box gems. So I'm a little sad to see that our cities didn't make it. Although I know we have a lot of gyms per. It was pretty high for the Bay Area.

I mean, the centralized here in San Jose, I would imagine we did pretty well versus. Yes, especially since the city is not states. Because I can see why our state wouldn't be up there because we're a big state and there's a lot of rural areas. Yeah, it's going to spread out. But our city didn't even make it, huh? The Bay Area didn't even make it. No, because again, they're combining. you know, they're combining

gyms and protein intake. So I wonder if a protein intake is low. So random. We might have a lot of... Well, I'll tell you what, we probably have one of the highest concentrates of vegan. Maybe, huh?

For sure. That's what's bringing us down. Here in New York would be, wouldn't you think are probably two of the highest? I mean... Oh, you know what? I bet you're right. You know why?

Because L.A., here's a deal. Oh, yeah. L.A. is way down. L. L.A. and San Francisco have to be the highest highest vegan... I know for a fact, that's got to have to thrown it off

because for a fact, L. has a lot of gems. L.A.'s got tons of gems. Yeah. But they don't need a lot of protein because you probably have a lot of vegans. Yeah.

Look it up. Where's the highest concentration of vegans live? Yeah. I bet you California is up there. And you know what's funny about that? I know L.A. has a ton of gyms, but L.A. ranked 48 out of 50 for most muscular.

So it's got to be the protein intake that just destroyed them. Yeah. Because a lot of low protein eaters. Oh, yeah. It's definite trend down there. San Jose was 42. Wow.

So, and I know we have a lot of gems. We do. We do. He's got a ton of gems. So it's got to be the protein. That's the room off. For sure. San Francisco was a ton of gems too. You know, I've been to those places. And, uh, surprisingly is at the top. Without knowing there's a lot of vegans, just by walking around, I would have guessed. You guys ever been to Portland?

Hey, dude. No, listen. We definitely have a lot of listeners from Portland. Listen, I'm not saying anything like, I'm not trying to say the negative. I can just, you just tell. You know what I mean? You just tell when you see, like, you don't eat a lot of protein. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, that has a little bit. Well, that has to be, so that has to be if this, if they used high protein gyms and whatever the metric was, that has to be what's bringing down. Yeah, because if it was just gym concentration. LA and San Francisco will be up high. It would have to be. Yeah. But also highlights the importance of my protein.

You can have all the gyms in the world. Yeah. You don't need enough protein. Yeah. It's not going to build a lot of muscle. Not going to be jacked. All right. Go this way, Sal.

Since now we've, we've, give me the list off the top 10. Yeah, get it. Just list them all top 10 and then we'll talk about. Well, so number one, when you combine both metrics, protein intake and gym concentration. By the, I'm going to say one more thing about this, that, uh, I'm going to say one more thing about this, that, uh, I don't know if protein intake is the best metric because you may look at places that just overeat, which might be in there. Anyway.

Yeah, I can skew it. Yeah, but let's be honest, though, in your experience, most people who overeat, it's carbohydrates and saturated fat. Yeah. It's not normally protein. Yeah, it's good question. I wonder if it's protein as a percentage of calories or if they're just looking at protein. I mean, even if it wasn't a percentage, people that overeat, even my biggest overeaters, it would be hard to see.

I would, I would. I wonder if in the South, because they eat. so much barbecue if that would make it go high. They also deep-fried Twinkies. That's what I'm saying. I've had one of those ones. I've never tried one. Did you really have one?

I just kid in Chicago. Yeah, you could like fry, you bring stuff, you could fry it all in some place. It was good. Yeah. Yeah. They do that a lot of those state fairs. I think I'm getting diabetes.

I mean, it sounds gross, but I also know that nothing deep-fried tastes back. They'll not get until you try. There is nothing that's gross. That's deep-fried. I know. Everything's delicious. I know.

So it's just like I'm- Take the grossest vegetable, deep-fried, delicious. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Exactly. Number one, and this makes sense, Las Vegas.

Oh. Las Vegas, Nevada. Now, that does make a lot of sense. It does. And they do have a lot of gems. I feel like Miami, too. I don't know. That's number four.

Good job, dude. That is number four. So, yeah, you have, like, a population. Where they all have to show muscle. Yeah. So let's talk about Vegas for a second. Vegas has incredible steakhouses. Some of the best I've ever been to.

Yeah. We're in a lot of those. Some of the best food, yeah. I mean, just super good. And then their gyms are incredible. Vegas is also, I would say, we've all been to a lot of gyms all over the country, probably one of the craziest when you walk in as far as, like, jacked fit people. I mean, it's obvious.

Oh, yeah. It's not like a scene. Yeah, it's a very much so a scene. It's like crazy. What was that one? Did we go to a gym? Yes. There's a famous gym in Vegas that were all the influencers.

So my brother-in-law and sister-in-law took my wife and I there years ago. go. We walked in and it was like, oh my, where am I? It has like the 80s colored lights. Yeah, and they had the, they had like the grass, but there was like a slope. So you could run uphill and drive things and it's like crazy weights and. Well, that was in Reno, that one that you're talking about. Was that Reno? Yeah, that's a Reno one.

Oh, okay. That was the best. We all went to one together. I'm pretty sure it was all of us together in Vegas. And it has like, had like neon colored lights. Give me the names, Doug. Powerhouse gym, Las Vegas. No.

The strip barbell? I don't know exactly we were talking. I remember it. Yeah. Remember we were talking about how crazy all the influence are. This was early on Mind Pump. And the amount of people we saw with phone, like this was before it was like we had seen people with phones.

It was the first time I had seen all kinds of people recording themselves working out. I had seen that before. Doug, just put best influencer. I think that's right there, Fit Club Las Vegas. Was that it? Yeah. I think that's it. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's number one. Number two, you said it earlier, Tuscan, Arizona. Yeah. Tucson. Tucson. Tucson.

Tucson. Sorry. Tucson. Tuxan. My bad. I'm from San Jose. Tucson, Arizona. So they had the most, again, they're ranked up real high.

So the score that Las Vegas got on 0-800 was 99.5. So they crushed. Tucson was 92.3. So they were there. And then next, Denver, Colorado. Yeah. Denver, Colorado. And there's Colorado.

Those two, if I, I recall, outside of this, the Jack stat is some of the most gyms per square. Yeah, just tons. Yeah. Where were we in? Did we go to Denver? Yeah, we did, right? And we went to a gym there.

Did we? I think we might. We believe in a couple times. In sports is there? Yeah. Yeah, I went through any grand open that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then there's Miami, Florida.

So Miami, Florida is number four. Then you have Albuquerque, New Mexico. Then we have California making number six, Sacramento. Sacramento. They actually have. Have some sick ass, like, you're going to go in there and lift some weights, gyms. Sacramento is... Mark Bell.

I can see that. Huh. I wouldn't have thought Sacramento. It's a very concentrated area, for sure. Yes. Then you have Mesa, Arizona. It's also working your way towards NorCal where people eat meat. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. That's right. Then you have Mesa, Arizona, Washington, D.C. They made the list. Okay. I guess the politician isn't thrown off enough. Tampa, Florida, and then El Paso, Texas.

El Paso, Texas. The worst Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Really? Yeah. So they must just not have very many gyms. What's crazy about this is L.A. is 48. And I know L.A. is just... It's what you saw the highest concentration of vegans.

Yeah. And the country. What, Doug, maybe look this up. What city in America has the highest concentration of gyms? I just want to see that. Minus the protein to see what we're looking at in terms of... Oh, well, here we go. I got it.

Here we go. And I got it right here. the cities that offer the most strength training. Miami, Florida is 100. So check this. This is per capita, right? So per 100,000 people. Damn, Miami's got a lot, dude.

A hundred gyms per capita. Yeah. I believe it. 100 gyms per capita. Wow. That's crazy. That's why. What's Arizona?

Isn't Arizona up there? No. It's not. No. Atlanta, Georgia is next at 69 gyms per capita. What about Jersey, dude? All those. Jim tan laundry.

Jim tan laundry guys. Yeah. Go on. That's got a rank on that. Las Vegas is number three at 65. Tampa, Florida, 56. Minneapolis at 48. Sacramento, 45.

Omaha, 45. Denver, 44. Charlotte, 43. And then 43 at Colorado. You know what's crazy about this? Miami, first place 103. Second place, 69. That is a lot of...

That's a big discrepancy. I land there today. Man. We'll see if I see all the gyms there. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. You're taking off. So that's what is that?

100 per capita. What is that one gym per thousand people? That's what it breaks down to. Well, right? Am I doing the math? Is it 100 per capita? It's 103 per 100,000 residents. Am I doing the math right?

Yeah. Yeah. So that's a lot. One per thousand people? That can't be right. Wow. It's like on every corner. That wouldn't a gym couldn't even afford to survive off of that.

I mean, if you have a high enough demand, I guess. That's what that's what they ranked it. Yeah, that doesn't compute for me. Yeah, that's a lot, dude. Have you guys ever been to a, like, what areas have you been to where you're like, legit, like, oh my God, everybody works out? It looks like that. Las Vegas is probably like that.

Austin. Wait, where were you in Las Vegas where you saw that? Just at the gyms? Yeah. Yeah, that's where, I mean, really, I mean, we've talked about this before. Besides gyms, obviously, you're going to a gym. Yeah, but still, though, we, one of the things, what do we talk about on this podcast all the time when we used to share those with our clients is like, people

are intimidated to come to the gym and you, like, stand up, look around the gym. Like show me, Vegas is not like that. No. I remember looking around Vegas and being like everybody looked like they were like a dancer or looked like they were a fitness model. Bodybuilder. Yeah, bodybuilder. Like that was crazy. It was like.

Yeah, Vegas was crazy. But that was the only gym I've ever been in that. I really felt that way like everybody was like. The only time I've ever been outside of it because I've been to gyms like that are pretty hardcore. And everybody looks like they're really into it. But I, Miami Beach. And that was years ago. Like I was in Miami Beach.

beach. I was, it was in the late 90s. And I'd never been to a beach. Yeah, I had the same experience. And because you go to beaches and everybody looks normal. Everybody looks regular. Everyone's the way I see a fit person. It's pretty rare. But I remember going to the beach going like, everybody here like really works out. Like everybody. I remember thinking that. Yeah. Yeah, it was like a spring break with like some of my friends who were from Miami that played football with me. Yeah. And it was just like he felt like you're walking around with a bunch of, models like everywhere. It's crazy. This will be my first time at Miami Beach.

So we'll see what it is like for me. Vegas pools are like that. But you're also... That's a little bit of a bias. It is a bias. Well, so is Miami Beach, I guess. It is. South Beach.

That's why you're getting that. You're like it's not, those aren't technically all residents there. These are all people that are flying in to show their body off. So I would think that Miami and I would think the also Vegas pools get that. You get all the fittest people. that are getting in shape so they can show up to that place. So that's a little bit different. Craziest beach experience ever, ever had.

What's that, what's that very famous wealthy area? It's not. Billionaire's Row? No. So there's got Nice. You got France, right? That part of that.

Oh, you're talking about. And then you could take a train to your... No, Monaco. Monaco, yeah. So I've ever been to Monaco? No. Okay. It's on my list.

We went to Monash. They were like Lamborghini cops. Listen, I want to see the famous F1 race there. Listen, it was the weirdest. I've never experienced anything like this in my life. We were in Nice. This was years of a long time ago. So this is probably like, I don't know, maybe 20 years ago. We went with Jason. Yeah. So I went Jason back when he was dating. What's her name? Yeah. Okay. So we went there together, all of us. We stayed in Nice. And then we took the train and we went to like the famous, but we went to Monaco and then we went to famous beach wherever. Okay. It's the weirdest place in the world. Yes, every cop car is a Lamborghini. And every car,

that drove by, every car that drove by was a supercar. There were no not supercar, every car that drove by. Then we went into the casino, which you have to pay a fee just to walk in. So we just want to look. We paid a fee. I walked in, I looked at the first was a blackjack table. And I see people stacking chips, like putting them up. And then I look at the table.

Minimum bet $5,000. I'm like, these people are betting $30,000. This is back in the, this is back in early 2000. That's wild that it's almost like a theme park to watch rich people. spend money. I was like, and you guys, were you guys there just on a normal week too?

Just a normal week. So that's not even like, like when F1 is there. It's like all the super yachts from all over the world are there. Well, the craziest, the craziest part is when we're on the beach. We're on the beach.

And I see like, again, let's like a movie. I see this really, this guy's probably 60 something years old, really tanned, like white chest hair. Yeah.

Speaking, like Sicilian and Italian. Okay, so he's obviously Mediterranean. And he had like three or four, I don't know, supermodel looking. Yeah, and he's speaking Sicilian to, like, dudes that are, like, serving him. And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, looking over at Jason. Like, that's a mafia.

Then another dude. This guy's connected. Bro, then there was a sheik. So he had, like, the long, you know, turban thing or whatever. He goes out in the water. He's got five dudes with earpieces, and they stand around him and make space for him. So he could go, like, baby. Yeah, dude.

I'm like, what is happening here, dude? A wild, dude. Where am I? Straight out of the water. It was straight up. Oh, yeah. All right. I want to talk about, so Adam, you were telling me about Canoli.

Oh, yeah. I was calling you. Yeah, he hit me up. I guess their parasite cleanse is just exploding right now. And he asked if we had taken it. And I said, no, I haven't taken it. I know, I said, Sal talks about that all the time. In fact, I said, last year, I said, he put me on something.

I said, but, you know, tell me about it. And then he was just saying it's been the reviews that they've been getting. And so I wanted you to look at it and tell me, because I know you've, you've looked into this before. You've encouraged me to do a parasite cleanse. I think Doug's done one before, too. Like I think, so tell me what is it? One, is it work? Yes.

Okay. Yes. So they have a parasite cleanse supplement. There's two of them that they've put together. They're all natural. So, yes, you can treat yourself for parasites naturally. Now, pharmaceuticals are like a nuke. So if natural doesn't.

doesn't work. Sometimes you've got to go in there with the drugs. But the natural ingredients that are in their parasite cleanse have been shown in studies and have been used for a long time for parasite cleanse. In some cases, 89% 97% efficacy. Wow. And they have a combination of ingredients. So the mimosa seed, pumpkin seed, Ceylon cinnamon, papain powder. Then they have another bottle that comes with ingredients that are to repair your gut, which is important. Which is important because you get rid of parasites. A lot of toxins are released. Parasot die off can make you feel that crap. Then they have another bottle that comes with this that has stuff in there that heal the gut. So it's a combination of two bottles. The stack I take. Yeah, and they're effective.

I brought up the data. I researched a lot of them, which I had in the past, but I just kind of just refresh my memory. And they do work. They do work. So you can treat yourself naturally for parasites. Again, if it doesn't work, then you've got to go with the pharmaceutical route. But for most people, it will do a good job. But anyway, there's this belief, this myth that I believed for a long time.

I used to hear this all time that parasite infections, well, that's for like third world. Those are third world issues. Like we live in modern societies, everything's so clean. Parasite infections are rare, so it's not a big deal. You've always attributed more to like unsanitary like environments. Yeah, dude. Like you're going to go to another, like you're going to go to a third world country or you're going to go to some area, you know, with bad sanitary conditions.

And then they'll say make sure you treat yourself for parasites or watch out, only eat food that's well cooked, that kind of stuff. But if you live in America, what I thought was, yeah, it's rare. It's actually not. It's actually not rare at all. It's rare for you to catch a parasite in the next year, but over the course of years, it's actually quite common that you may encounter and have parasites.

And if you've never done a parasite cleanse and you're 30 or 40, now the odds go up quite a bit. So, like, one example, this is a silly one. You also talk about like sushi eaters. If you're somebody who's a big sushi. Listen, if you eat uncooked food, which could be sushi. It could be raw vegetables, fruit.

Yes, it's all washed, all that stuff. But remember, you're doing this over years and years and years. And once you get a parasite, they ain't going to go anywhere. They're, they evolve to live in your body. They're there. And they grow, yeah, they could be tiny, almost microscopy. And they spread. Like, you have them.

Your family probably has them, you know, type of deal. Like pinworm is a real common one. Pinworm is, like, 38% of children who go to daycare have pinworm. 38% The symptoms of parasites Sometimes are obvious So this is when people tend to go get tested

So they have really bad symptoms Like really bad gastro issues all of a sudden or whatever But some of them are kind of subtle Kind of low energy Skin issues Hormone issues Teeth grinding teeth grinding Believe or not is a sign

Of parasite infection Foginess Food intolerances Like I didn't have food intolerances Suddenly have all these food intolerances Like that could be a sign of parasites inflammation. Itchy butt.

Yeah, that's a very... No, it is. It's one of the top ones for a kid. Yeah, pinworm. We'll do that. So they're quite common. So if you have never done a parasite cleanse, like, and this is all natural,

do around. And what's funny, so I was talking to Drew about this. So they released their parasite cleanse. And what's the name of their product, Doug, so I can quote them properly? Yeah, so let's see here. It's called Parasite Cleanse Cleanse Kit.

Okay, Parasite Cleanse Ket. Very straightforward. Yeah, very straightforward. forward. So I was talking to Drew and he goes, he goes, dude, the pictures people are sending me. Oh, God. He gets pictures. I'm not surprised. I mean, we're gross. So you can get rid of parasites and notice nothing in your stool. Yeah. Some people, they're seeing stuff come out. Okay. And it's like, what is that? So this is where it ends up typically. Yes. Is it in your poop. Yeah. So what happens is when you take these, when you take a parasite claim, when you take their parasite cleanse kit, there are compounds in there that paralyzing. the parasite. So parasites will have to hook on or hold on as food passes through so they don't

go through and get pooped out. A pumpkin seed, for example, is a very common or famous one because it paralyzes them. So suddenly they can't hold on and they come out your body. There are other compounds in there that prevent eggs from hatching or prevent them from laying eggs. There are other ones that are toxic to the parasite. So they combine a bunch of them to kind of hit them from different angles. And so anyway, he was like, man, the pictures. Oh, my God. I can't imagine. You should send them to us.

I'm curious. Well, my personal experience is I had gut issues. If you've listened to the show for more than five years, you know this. I had gut issues for, I don't know, two decades. Yeah. And they would sometimes get worse, sometimes get a little better, never completely go away. It was always a challenge. I could never really push my food intake.

Because once I did, I'd have all these gastro issues. I couldn't even eat so many different things. Sometimes I'd get issues out of nowhere. It really inhibited my progress because they couldn't feed myself properly. So my calories were always low. So, you know, I couldn't, you know, push muscle building or strength because every time I'd bump my food up past a certain point after a week or two, it caused problems. I'd have to fast regularly to reduce the, you know, inflammation and symptoms.

This was just going on for a while. It wasn't until I did a parasite cleanse. that I finally got better. Okay, but everybody wants to know did you see it in your poop? No, I didn't see anything. Oh, so there's a chance like you will get relieved of some of the symptoms

but not see it in your stool. No, no, not everybody's gonna see stuff. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if I... There's some resolve there, though. Yeah, it was you. I mean, I feel like you'd want to see it.

I don't want to see nothing. Yeah, I would, too. I would be like, good. Got him. Got you. Oh, jumps out. Oh, gosh. Oh, my gosh.

Oh, my gosh, dude. Oh, hell no. Yeah, dude. So I was, but it would happen with me. So here's what it feels like when you do a parasite cleanse. This is what I experienced. I did the cleanse. I got way better.

Then I had to do with a cleanse like 10 days later because if you have any remaining, this sounds so gross, right? If you have any remaining eggs, so you kill the main parasites. But there's eggs that may remain. Then 10 days later, I did it again to kill the potentially hatching. eggs. And I got way better, but I was still kind of sensitive because my gut had to heal. Yeah. So it wasn't for like a month or two of me. I remember when it flipped for you. Yeah. It was like night and day.

I gained 10 pounds of muscle. And like 10 pounds of muscles came on my body because now I could eat. I can suddenly eat. Which I haven't made that you have to make that clear to the audience because someone's going to hear that be like, per side includes made you gain 10 pounds. It's like, well, the cleanse didn't do. There was the food that made me. It was your ability to now bump your calories, 500 to 1,000 calories. That's right. And push was holding it down. Yeah.

That's right. It was preventing me from being able to fuel what I was doing with my training. Yeah. And once I was able to eat and eat more, boom, I got. Well, I, yeah, I remember being motivated, but I didn't actually, like, do the Parasic cleanse yet. Like, I bought all the stuff. But it was because of the teeth grinding part that was like, oh, man, maybe there is, you know, something related to that. And, of course, I've had, you know, gut issues for quite a while.

So, I mean, I guess it's time. Take the challenge. You eat all kinds of weird stuff. So if you do this, just give people advice on this. If you do, if you get organifies parasite cleanse, you're going to want to give it to your spouse also. Yeah. Because you probably both, you share, I mean, sexual contact, intimacy, whatever can spread. Parasides.

You sleep in the same bed type of deal. So you do it. Your wife or your husband should do it also. Because what will happen is you'll get rid of your parasites. Your wife has them. And then, yeah, three, four months later, like my. My symptoms are back. What the hell is going on?

Yeah, yeah. It was because you passed them, you know, back on. Justin, did you do that app thing that you were going to mess with? Oh, I think so. So, Dylan, did we get that all set up? Okay, all right. Well, tell us about this. So, yeah, I got one of my friends sent me this, like, last night.

And he was just like, this would be kind of a funny thing. So some of my friends in college, like, they were, I don't know, they were always, like, measuring and stacking each other, like, based upon, like, all kinds of weird. like so how good you look in comparison to your other friends or like you know who's who's the most athletic or you know whatever you know so we always have these typical debates and yeah stupid crap like that and so uh my friend actually sent me like there's like a specific kind of prompt you can send to like clot or one of those AI things and um it it ranks you and it like it gives you all this detailed report based upon like you know symmetry or like wrinkle or like so you do

Picture of your face. Folds of your eyes or like, yeah. So it just scans and analyzes you and it gives you like, you know, an attractive score. And so I was like, I thought it'd be funny if we just like, did you guys remember? Pictures through it. Do you remember me? Hey, do you remember me telling you about this? So when I went down, this was, uh, wouldn't it Kyle and I go down to the Hormosey school thing?

It was a while. Yeah, it was a while. Probably six months. It was more like that. It's been a while. When we went down there, I told you. you guys, one of the, I was, first of all, I was like the old guy, you know, all these young, super successful kids. Like, and one of the kids I ended up talking to forever, 19 years old.

Wow. 19? Yeah, 19, multi-millionaire. Wow. And one of the things that he had created was he created this app that score that you, and you had to buy tokens to, so basically if I, whatever, I don't know, the exact price. I don't quote me. It was like $9.99 and I get five, five faces that I could score. Yeah. And, and so, but he did. developed it for plastic surgeons. So they could use the software, the technology, and the way, I guess the way right now, the technology they use right now is kind of outdated. And this new technology that he had trademarked this formula or algorithm.

You have a machine tell me how handsome or not. I know. And so anyways, so he, that was his, that's how he made big money. But he was making tons of money just from all the people curious. Using it and just curious. Yeah. Like not for actual plastic surgery. but just be like, man, let's do ours and let's see.

And so he was making millions of dollars just from that market, just the open market of people wanting to score their face. Yet it was developed for plastic surgery. And that's the way he came up with it was he worked it like an office like that. And so he had seen, he knew how they were using this, this technology in order to, and they were,

it was, and he's like he basically developed a better technology through this app. and the app went viral from just kids sharing it wanting to get it. It's funny because obviously you see all the negative aspects of this. You know, like, it's like really like going to push people into insecurity land. But at the same time, you know, amongst, you know, my friends who are all a bunch of ogre. Yeah, I just say a bunch of old dudes who don't give a shit. Yeah, yeah.

We don't care. It's funny. You know, it's like, especially when like you end up lining up right next to your ogre friend that you're like, no way, dude. Like, I'm way better looking at you. Well, I'm super nervous because you guys say that I'm the handsome one, but I have a feeling I'm not going to score very well. I've told you guys before, like model symmetry is like the distance of your eyes, your nose, the ratio, all that, so like that. I'm a fat face, too. Fat face is not going to work to my favor.

Chisle jaw. Justin's jaw line will outscore me. Yeah, pretend to be humble. You guys, I'm not good looking at all. That's not being pretending. I'm going to look backwards. I'm going to roll my eyes on. We just got to settle the score, dude.

It's all I'm saying. I don't want to throw this out there. You know what's sad about this? What's wrong? Silver Fox? I know. You nervous? One person said that.

One guy said butterface. One person. Thank you. You know who that was, though, right? No, no. You dick. You're the one that put that in there? What a jerk.

Actually, kind of means you have a nice body. Bro, it was like, it was a joke because it was like, you know, they're like, gross dust. And I'm like, and so I'm sending them. I know. In my heart, dude. I felt, I felt really, like, a guilty, a guilty conscience about that. I told my wife, I was like, be honest with me, babe. I was like, one day I'll tell cell.

You just did. I literally told my wife, I'm like, be honest, honey. Am I a butterface? I thought it was a fan, dude. I was like, oh, bro, I'm just roasting you. That hurts so bad. Of course it's not real. It would have been better if it was a fan.

I know. That's why I let it run for a while. I was like, maybe he'll think about it. He was going to leave it forever. Yeah. All my death man. They sell, by the way. That was me.

Oh, my God. You know, it's crazy because what's obvious to me here, or sad, I guess, is if you want to make a quick buck, feed into human brokenness or insecurity. Easy money. And it's so sad. It's so sad to me. You want to make a lot of money? Here, here's it.

Here how you do. Feed addiction or insecurity or brokenness. Come up with a product that feeds this. Yeah, you got to tell them they have a problem. And boom. You make a ton of money. Speaking of insecurity, did you see the Hormozi video

that got pulled down? Is that really why he pulled it down? I don't know why. I have no idea why. Why do you think? I don't know, but, you know. Did you even watch it? I did.

And it's what's his name? I don't want to say his name. I don't want to make fun of him or say anything about it. No, no, no. Tony Robbins. Did you watch Tony Robbins? No, no, I know that, but the person commented on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but did you watch the real interview?

I did. I didn't watch all of it, but I watched a lot of it. It was really good. It was great. It was really good. Which is weird as to why he would pull it. Well, I know what the speculation is, is that he looked like, you know, like he was. Yeah, vulnerable and not super powerful.

He looked like the little guy. He was getting schooled in a good way. Yeah. But I could see how that would make it feel. Yeah, I mean, I think it made. Everybody needs mentors, right? I think it made him way more likable. Yeah.

But we were speculating on why do you think he got taken down or did it got, you know, did he take it down? Did he take it down? Did Tony Robinson's team have him take it down? Like, what is the most likely of the three? I think he explains. Someone in the comments said, Hormozie explained why he took it down. But I don't look that up.

He has? Someone in the comments said, I don't know. I mean, our team had looked at it. I don't think they said they had found that. Yeah. You can, Doug. But why did Hormosey take down his interview with Tony Robbins? By the way, do you guys...

Just side note. We'll go back to this. Last few weeks, I've had three different people tell me that I look and sound like Tony Robbins. Three different people. Seriously? Separately. The only time I'd ever heard that before was when Doug told me 20 years ago. Just recently? Yeah. Randomly.

Maybe your delivery, but not like your voice. Yeah, you remind me of Tony Robbins. I'm like, I never heard that. I only heard that one other time. Like two other people did the same thing. That's interesting. I don't know. I take it as a compliment. Yeah, for sure. Of course. That's a major compliment. Okay. He took down his interview.

So this is speculation. Because it shifted from a promotion of his hustle cultural brand to a vulnerable coaching session where he appeared. That's the, that's the skull. Yeah, but what did he say? Well, well, I mean, if that, pops up is the first thing you would think it would be. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. We'll see. Yeah. I don't know. But I liked it. I thought it was a great. I don't think it reduces his. I think he only strengthens his.

No, I would have strengthened his authority. I think that's genuine as good. That's what we would think because we built a brand on authenticity and being vulnerable and sharing our flaws and our weakness. He has not built a brand off of that. He has built a brand off of being an authority, a know-it-all. a you're if you can't lean into being uh you know working and being miserable you're weak yeah so

that's been part of his mantra for the entire and so it does make a little sense from a brand perspective yeah now big hole in all that exactly from a from a from a humanizing and from a like i mean i like him more because of that and i think i think everybody i think a lot of people felt that way but if you've built your brand this is like so we have people okay in the space that we know okay that uh you know built their ban off of their brand off of being alpha good fathers all this so with that and they preached to everybody with that and then ended up getting a divorce or cheating on their wife and it's like boy and then you just see their shit when you build this whole brand around a a certain message and then that gets dismantled or unpacked like it did in that interview

like the vegan girl that got caught eating yes it just like versus when we opened when we started this and nobody was listening from the jump. We came from a place of vulnerability. Well, we learned that from coaching people. That's right. You have to do that. And so none of a, in 13 years, okay, that we've been doing this, we've all had some rough years or mistakes.

So I just came off of sharing my addiction that I had. And it didn't, it doesn't hurt us because I never came off preaching like I was perfect that I don't have flaws. It's also like, you want to talk about a dangerous path is to build a bunch of, or create a bunch of admiration and glory, or we'll say love, but it's not real, from the world based off of something that you, that isn't real, because it will.

And people will wait for you to come crashing down. Right. What's the guy's name? You think he's super funny. He also does kickboxing. He was in Romania. Andrew Tate? Okay.

Andrew Tate, he's, the comedy side of him is great, but he also puts out this persona that he's like, the super alpha, whatever. Yeah. And then he got in a kickboxing match recently, he got his butt kicked. Destroyed by, in the comments. Destroyed.

Because he pumps himself up as like, I can beat anybody up. Everybody's waiting for him to fail. Yeah. So it's like, oh, I thought he handled himself so well after that. I thought he did too. Did you hear how?

I mean, people were destroying him. Because they were waiting for him. Yeah. They're waiting for him to fall. I mean, that's, I don't know if that's a good example because like fights are,

fights are like that, right? You just saw Strickland's fight last week. And like, they're part of, they build themselves up. They talk so much trash. Just to sell the fight. Yeah, to sell the fight. And you know the best way to sell a fight.

You need to make enemies on the other side. You need to be, you need to hope that you want, okay, Jake Paul's the best of that. Look how much hate that guy takes on. But he knows damn well what he's doing. He knows he's bringing on. So the fighters aren't a good example of that. I think better examples are like these people that build brands around a persona that isn't their full truth.

Or they're still, they're still scarred from childhood stuff and insecurities. And they put on a front like it's not a big. motivator or driver of who they are today. And so I think that's what happens is you put this facade on that you're this image or this person and it serves you so well. You get all this admiration and love for it. The irony is being vulnerable will get you more influence. If you lead with it.

But if you've built a persona that is so big and powerful for that. Especially if you talk down to people. Yeah. Especially if you do that. Well, that's what I'm saying. And so again, I don't know why this guy. There could be a whole host of reasons. He actually said it.

Doug pulled it up. He said it didn't match his hustle brand. No, that was his speculation. It was still not him. It was not him. He hasn't commented. He doesn't commented.

I mean, that's exactly what we're speculating right now. It's exactly what I think is. He's built this brand on your, if you can't do something hard and hate it, you're a pussy. Yeah. I mean,

I lean into that. This is suffering. I don't know the guy. And Tony basically unpacked that and was like, that's a terrible way to live. I don't know him. I don't know his wife. I don't know them.

I think they have great. information when it comes to building business, stuff like that. I don't know him. I don't fall them deeply, but the things that I have seen when he talks, it does come out to me that he's, I don't know, I feel, when Robbins was talking to him, I was like, that's what I've noticed. That's what I feel. He's kind of lost

and he's chasing something because he feels like he's lost. Yeah. You know, so that's maybe why. Who knows? Yeah, no, I mean, he admits being unhappy. I mean, it's not like he's faking that. I mean, but that's, again, I think that the reason

why I think the speculation is probably pretty, pretty accurate. I mean, Katrina brought up another point. She's like, you remember how many NDAs we had to sign and stuff that we, I mean, of all the interviews that we've done, we had to go through more legal stuff with Tony's team than we ever have, right, to protect all his stuff. And so there was a lot of rules that we had to follow. And so her speculation was like, are you sure that his team didn't have him pull it down because something didn't.

You know, it's funny about that, just to give kudos to Tony. when we talked to him off air, whatever, he was, like, he was very candid. Yeah. And I'm like, maybe that's why they put in the age. This guy just let the fly. No, that's, totally. He's one, I would put him up there with one of my favorite people that we've met

because for the most part, especially like Uber famous like him, don't live up to what you expect. You know, like, I mean, I've met Hermosian in person. I met when we met Robbins, when we met Jordan Peterson was like this too. they have this ability about it, whether it's authentic or not, I tell you what, it makes you feel like it is.

They have this ability to make you feel important. And you're the only person in the room. And as busy as they are and as famous as they are, everything else dissolves. And it's like the attention is on. And not a lot of like really uber famous people have that. Most of them have kind of an arrogance about them, give two shits,

like, I'm busy, whatever. Tony did not come off that way at all. Peterson didn't come off that way at all. Like they were two of probably my favorite people, I think, that we've, we've ever encountered. Totally agree. All right.

I'm going to change directions here. So they just can't. This is going viral right now. I can't wait to read this because I know Justin is going to love what I'm about to read here. Exciting. So, yeah, dude. And I'm just like, okay. Is this more UFO stuff?

No, no. Although I do have some of that. Boom, boom. Yeah. With the UFOs. This is a study that is out and they're like, it's flying. Okay. The single strongest personality predictor.

of conspiracy thinking is narcissism. Narcissists are particularly prone to conspiracy theories because they have a strong need for uniqueness or prone to paranoia and can also be remarkably gullible. Now, here's why this is interesting. Wow. Or maybe they just want the truth. Here's what, here's what.

No, no, let's break down the person that wrote this. Well, it was a study. It's a study that they're showing. So here's what I think. 100%. I'm going to push back. And right now, this is why I think this way, is that quote unquote conspiracy theorists like 10 and oh.

I know. That sounds very narcissistic. No, they're just proving. 10 and oh. You know, COVID was a wonderful time for conspiracy theorists. They all came out looking great. See what this can. UFO disclosures, Epstein, what the, you know, what the quote unquote elite do.

Like it's all like conspiracy theories are like they're batting a thousand right now. So I think they're doing this to try to marginalize. Dismantle it a little bit. By the way, conspiracy theorists was a term that was created by the CIA. Yeah, yeah. They came up with it because of the JFK assassination. I thought it was the, that was the, it was the other one. It was the other studies they did.

The what's it called, source with an M. I don't know. M.K. Yes, MK. Look up, when did the CIA come up on the term? I believe it was over MK ultra. So I thought it was after JFK. You might be right.

After he got killed, everybody was. It was you guys who I think dropped that knowledge. I mean, I wasn't aware of that. We brought it up one time before. I thought it was a way to throw them off from MK Ultra. Yeah, no, it was because people were speculating, like, hey, this doesn't seem, something's off. Like, this isn't seem right. Yes, I got the facial beauty report.

For who? For each of us. How did they put our picture? Can you put it up on? Can Doug put it up or now? Thanks, Dylan. Oh, yeah. Okay.

I'll text it to you. According to this, the CIA did not invent the phrase. But they played, so this is where AI cracks me up, but they played a significant role in weaponizing and popularizing it in the 1960s to discredit critics of, there you go, the Warren Commission's finding of the JFK assassination. The aim was to associate questioning the official narrative with irrationality and fringe insanity. So maybe they didn't create the term, but they popularized. What year was MK Ultra?

Well, we didn't know about it for a while, but I believe that was the 60s. Yeah. I think it was in the 60s. So it was after JFK? Yeah. But you remember, see, people don't realize this. When the first time that the... 1953.

So I think that this is the first time it was used, Sal. And then it got popularized maybe in the JFK thing. I don't know. But what I do know is that for the first time in American history, the population largely questioned the narrative. It was like one of the first times where the population was like, we don't believe this. Yeah.

This doesn't seem right. It was the JFK assassination. Didn't we what? What you got? Oh, so here we go. Looked out at the bottom of the bottom of it. screen. That's not a good picture of me.

Pick a better one. 7.2, that's not bad. It's above average. 7.2 out of what? Okay. Is it out of a 10? Oh, wow. Out of 10, yes.

All right. So my friend did it last time was like 6. Like 3 or something. So my symmetry, and I'm not even looking straight at the camera, guys. Symmetry, 7.3. Proportion 7.1. Bone structure, 7.6. 6.8.

Wow. Oily. 7.4 for Justin. Well, how can. Justin is more handsome. That's not bad. Winning. Yeah, you're doing good.

AI likes you more. I've been nice to AI. Okay, so let's go for Adam here. So 7.3, 7.4. We're all close. Pretty close. Oh, yeah. Can you even use my own Zipic picture?

And you know why? My cheeks are in his fat there. Oh, maybe that's the factor. Bro. 7.6? Oh, that's crushed us. You're almost an 8, dude. They gave me an 8 in.

structure? No, is that an eight in bone structure? Yes, eight. Oh, that's good, dude. Did Doug on there? No, they didn't do me. Put Doug in there. No, he'll win. Don't put him in there? No. He'll beat all of us. Let's do it. Let's put Doug in there and see what's going on.

I mean, we're all kind of close. We are close. Yeah. I'm barely more handsome. Dang. I was hoping for more discrepancy. Yeah, you can't be talking like that. I'm point two more handsome, dog. Now you know you're a solid seven. Yeah. Yeah.

Solid. I'm not even a full, not even a full point more hands here, but hey, we're all just no butter. No butter faces here.

There's a bunch of mids. Yeah. Do you know how much I can't? This is a total mid. They don't. Not at all. All right. I want to invite somebody,

who in our team would be at eight or above? I don't know, but I bet Doug's gonna be up there. Kyle's pretty handsome. Doug's a handsome guy. Kyle's pretty handsome. He's got to be careful.

He works for us. Will, Will, Will, Will, Will, Will, will you stop?

Will you stop. We just stop ranking our staff on how they look at it. They work for you. Well, anyway, why we wait for Doug's results? Dude, I read, this has to be one of the most crazy, terrifying things I've read in a long time. Like a story, like a story, which is, it's actually, it's crazy. All right. So let me read to you guys what happened to this poor young lady.

So this 19-year-old girl who went into a coma for three weeks. So she was in a coma for three weeks. In her coma, she lived a life that lasted seven years. So in her coma, she literally... Sounds like a black mirror episode. Bro. And this can happen. I looked it up.

That's crazy. This can actually happen. It's rare, but it can happen. So while she was in a coma, she lived an entire life that lasted seven years. In that seven year life, she gave birth to triplets, named them, lost one shortly after birth. When she came out of the coma, she asked for her kids. And everybody's like, you don't have kids. What are you talking about?

She's like, what do you mean? I raised them. I raised my kids. I live with them. I had a whole life. So this poor girl now is going through therapy. She woke up with grief because she had these kids that she loved and raised that didn't exist. What?

How old was she again? 19. 19. Isn't that crazy? That's insane. And she was in the coma for how long again? Three months. Three months.

But thought she lived seven. It felt like seven years. So there was a novelist, Karen Levit, who wrote about her own coma in 2021. She also experienced it. Dude, I would love to see her do one of those sketch artists and actually have her, like, describe her kids. Well, how long was she in the coma again? Three months. Just sit.

That's it. Three months. But she lived seven years in her mind. So another woman wrote about this that happened to her, too, is in psychology today in 2021. She said, waking up felt like being pulled violently from one world. to another where she like she was in another dimension living. You ever watch Rick and Morty?

You've seen it right? There's this one episode where there's this arcade game and they plug in and Morty lives this whole life as a little boy. They show him grown up. He has a family. He has a heart attack. Comes out of it. Yes. And then he dies in old life and they pull a plug and he's like crying. It's like that, dude. Wow.

It's so terrifying. It's scary. All right. Yeah. Oh my God. I know. Yeah, I didn't know that was really. Like I thought that was just some narrative like somebody came up with you know to make a cool story No apparently it happens it's rare, but it can happen when people are in a coma Yeah, it's the same thing is like you know you hear about when people hit their head really hard Get some kind of traumatic brain injury and all of a sudden they're a savant of some kind of like they can

You know play like or they can like speak a Mandarin I mean you guys have had probably dreams at night before that seemed real well not only seem real but also or like days long or like the, like the actual, the dream only lasts two hours, but like it's a whole story. Yeah. Right. Could you imagine feeling like you lived seven years? Well, I know. That's what, it's crazy. But you can see, you can see how that could play out. And it's like a, if a night when I fall asleep and I could have three different dreams in that night. And all three have a full on plot and, you know, probably felt like a whole day, each of them when it was really only. Have you guys ever lucid dreamed? Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. All the time. Really. When I was a kid, all the time.

So you could, you knew your dream and you literally manipulate. I would do it. I would fly. I remember when I learned how to do that. I remember as a kid, like, understanding that like, like, like dreams were something bad was going to happen, I could change it. I could make myself wake up. So I could make myself, I could make myself like in a scary dream. You change the scenario.

Yes. Yeah, same. Yeah. So you know how I learned how to do it? It was from scary dreams. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Because I'd have these terrifying dreams. There was a period of time when I was a kid.

when I was getting these nightmares. And someone told me, pinch yourself. You've ever heard this pinch yourself, see if you're sleeping or dreaming. And so I remembered it in my dream. I pinch myself. And I'm like, wait a minute, maybe I am dreaming. And then I jumped off a cliff in my dream to get away.

And when I hit the ground, I woke up. So this, I realized, like, that's a way to wake up out of a bad dream. But then I learned how to just wake up. And then it turned into, well, I'm not going to just wake up. I'm not scared. This is my dream. Now I'm going to do whatever I want, which is actually harder than you think.

Yeah. Because like the Matrix, you have to believe. So I remember I would dream that I could fly and I'd start flying, but I'd question it and I hit the ground. Yeah. And I have to keep practicing over and over. But I haven't been able to do it as an hour. Oh, you know, I just remember, the comma thing reminds me of inception on some level. Because it's like you're, yeah, the further down you go, like the longer, the time links.

Did you ever see that one woman? I don't know if you ever see this video. I think she hit her head real hard or something like that. And she came out and she had a Chinese accent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's almost like British woman. Like, stop.

Oh, that would be funny coming out of a British woman. British woman gets Chinese accent from head trauma. You can see the video of her talking. Shut up. Yeah, dude. It's like she's punking everybody. Yeah. She's trolling.

Did you guys remember? This was a thing when we were in high school. Right here. After a stroke. She woke up, watch. Hip, please. Did you guys go to, hey, when you guys go to school? Did you guys ever go to school with any, like, girls that, like, traveled abroad for, like, a summer or some of that.

And that we, I had, I remember, two different, came back with an accent? Yes, came back with the accent. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. That's embarrassing. Yeah, it's like, come on. You know, it's the thing. It's called foreign accent syndrome.

Yeah, but click on her video, dude. Foreign accent syndrome. It's kind of messed up, dude. This is British women speaking. Cheerio. Yeah, no, watch. No, no. They play.

I'm kidding. I mean. Watch. In England is a dead set home who now sounds like she's from Shanghai. It wasn't until I was in ambulance on the weather. hospital. Oh, my God. Oh, the way you're a big gang.

And I say, oh, I sound like a vestalore. She said, no, you sound like you can work in a Chinese or a reservoir. That's messed up, dude. Why are we laughing? I don't know. It doesn't look right coming out of her. It sucks because it's like, yeah. She's not trying to do that.

And it's not like she's speaking, it's not like she's speaking Chinese. That's why it's, you know, say. No, it's like broken English. Yes. If that ever happen, what do you guys? I would roast you all day long. I would roast you all the long. I would roast you all the wrong.

I would know roast it myself. Adam wakes up with the Jamaican accent. Something like that, too. I would just roast it all day. I can only hope for that. I would hope for something like that to have me first too. Maybe the best podcast. They were great content for like the next year, dude.

Are you faking it? You're like, yeah, I'm mine. No, man. What are you doing, Adam? Oh, my God. Hey, all right, I'm going to take subject. So, you know, okay, see, you know, they make the, their probiotics or main product, but you know they have the multivitamin.

I take it. I take it. I take it daily, right? I take it daily, right? I do too. It's a great, it is a great multivitamin. And there's new studies that are showing that people who take multivitamins regularly have lower biological age because, and they're putting it to the multivitamin, because of the nutrient, because the fact that nutrient deficiencies are so common.

I know it's like, you know, it's sort of associated. but like my house has been consistently taking it for the last, I don't know, like six months. And it was like no, like a lot of colds have come and gone through. But we haven't, we've been very healthy. And it's not like it's been not stressful. You know, multivitamin, I went early days of fitness. I was taught that it was a waste of money. Later, I was taught there was a study where, and we've talked about this,

where dieticians were trying to create. That's what changed my mind about. A diet, a natural diet. diet, and they had like full freedom to like combine whatever foods you want. Yeah. How many calories does a perfect nutrient diet have in terms of micronutrients? It was like 3,000 calories. It was $3,500 and a serving of liver every week.

I remember this clearly. It's what changed my mind on multivitans. The first half of my career as a trainer, I remember shitting on multiboutes. Oh, it's a way. You get all that from food, blah, blah, blah. Nope. So you're basically deficient. You're either deficient or you're just not optimal.

What is it? And so it's like it's an inexpensive supplement that I think everybody, everybody should take multivitamin. And C does such a good job with how they deliver the nutrients. Yes, because that makes a big difference. Dumb question, because I should know the answer to this. What is it in a multivitamin that will make you nauseous if you eat it on an empty stomach? I don't do that. It doesn't happen to me, but it does happen to some people.

It's probably the B vitamins. Oh, that's not everybody? No. Oh, I thought everybody. No, I could take 18. Can you take a multivitamin at empty stomach? No. Oh, I can't.

I can't either. See, three out of four of us cannot. No, I totally can. Oh, yeah, it'll make me nauseous. I do it every morning. Almost 100% of the time. I know. I know.

Especially if I do like a caffeine, empty stomach and that. Oh, really? Oh, God, that's like, I've made that mistake so many times in my life or I'm just not thinking about it and I'm trying to be consistent. And I'm like,

I haven't ate yet. So eating with a multi, although seed has, their delivery process makes a big difference, but it's, it is a good. I kind of want to experiment with that. See if it bothers you? Yeah.

I bet you would be better. But what I was going to say is all multivitamins are probably better to take with food because of the fat that you have in the food with the fat soluble vitamins and help slow down the digestion so it can get where it needs to. So it's probably a good idea to always take a multi with food. Yeah. But I don't get nauseous from any. I can take anything on empty stomach. I can take all anything else. It's multivitamins.

Multi-vitamin on an empty stomach will make me nauseous. It wouldn't 10 out of 10 times. Yeah. I haven't because I know that and I've only been taking the seed for a couple. You take it with food. Yeah. I've known, I've known to do that. I take it after lunchtime is when you normally see you take it.

And so, but that makes me curious to see if that one. Because of the way the capsules are doing. Yeah, but I don't want to, I really don't want to risk it. Because then if you lose. Yeah, because then I feel like shit for like two hours. Yeah. It's, oh, no, zinc. Iron or zinc.

Because it irritates the stomach lining. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. I thought it was the B vitamins. No, the B vitamins are why your P gets so yellow. Yeah. From them.

One more UFO thing. We've been doing this episode. You see Japan is doing disclosures? No. Japan says we have information and we're going to start disclosing. Oh, wow. And they sent it. So weird to me that all of us were on the same page of that.

Like, I think it's going to be our allies. I think it's us and our allies are going to be. So do you know what they released? Yeah, what? So I know they've released information, but is there anything significant so far? Apparently the stuff that's going to make us all shaking our boots is coming. But so far what they've released are videos and. stuff. They're just teasing this right now. So Japan had, has these videos, the government released,

of, remember they had their big earthquake that caused the Fukushima nuclear power plant, the whole deal over there? I remember what year that was. But when that happened, 2012 or something, was it 2012? There were several warbs flying over the area that they were monitoring, that then disappeared. And you know, there's always a lot of speculation around UFOs and nuclear, anything nuclear. Yeah, any, or any kind of natural disaster. they've noticed or like around nuclear plants and stuff like that. Yeah. Oh, by the way, you know who else said that aliens or demons? That one priest you talked about who was on that podcast, Father Chad Ripperger, who does all the exorcisms.

Yeah. Yeah. And he said, if you actually look at what the aliens are supposedly doing, it is identical to the same things the demons do to people who are possessed. If you strip the veneer of the alien aspect of it off, in point of fact, what you're dealing with is they're just demons. So this is an actual expert on demons. That's it. He's a demon expert. That says. So there you go, dude.

Yeah, we're doing it. The demons coming. Getting new authorities in here. Do we continue. Joy mode is a very powerful and effective supplement for sexual performance. It has compounds that have been shown to improve blood flow. to make performance better, more pleasurable, and the science backs it up.

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Are you doing, Nathan? What's happening, dude? Hey, what's going on? So about six months ago, I was almost 300 pounds. And so I'm 22 now. I'm at like 195, 6'4. And so what started it was, let's see, one day I was like heavy drinking, you know, I was really unhealthy. My buddy hit me up.

He told me I look rough and I should do the 75 hard challenge. And that's what started at all. So I did that. I used AI through most of it. And then it turns out half that was wrong. So weird. It was like off. So I thought I was eating 1,800 calories.

It turns out I was eating around 1,600 calories every day. This was what I did when I started out. So Christmas and Thanksgiving came around. I kind of dropped off. And then after that, I went on like a hard 14-undercut for like a month. And now currently I'm standing at 195. Chat GVT's is around 14, 16% body fat. And now I'm working out on a chat GVT provided

workout plan and that's what I'm doing now. Cool, man. How are the calories right now? Hold on. Why did you call us? So I don't know where to go from where I'm at. I don't know what to do. Did you ask Chad to be teams? I just stopped using AI all together recently about a couple months ago.

Hey, can we back up for a second because I was reading your email and you wrote in your email what your friend said to you? Yeah, he called me a fat piece of shit. it. That's a good buddy right there. That's a good buddy. It's good to have friends like that. Hey, are you familiar with, there's a proverb,

proverb 2717. It's like as iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another, it's so crazy because it's like, you know, for people listening to this, guys get this. So women listening are like, oh my God, your friend said that to you. I can't believe it. But like when you got a close buddy,

it's pretty interesting what they can say to you that'll get you to move in it in a particular direction. So he must be a good friend of yours for that to work. Yeah. He's the one that got me kick. So like a week later, I said that I locked in. I went cold turkey on alcohol because I was drinking every day for like two years. I went cold turkey on that.

I got lucky because apparently there could be serious health problems with doing that. Yeah, good for you, bro. First off, yeah. Like incredible discipline. Yeah. That's a hard thing to stop. The alcohol plus the eating, those are both ways of self-medicating something. So phenomenal.

Now, where you're at now, there's a very clear path to getting you to a place where you're going to feel way better, way stronger, and it's going to be much more sustainable. Yeah. Okay. What we need to do is we need to do with, have you listened to the podcast? Have you heard us talk about reverse dieting? Yeah. So, okay, so for me listening to all stuff, I found out in January, I started reversed hiding in the middle of January because I was at like 1,800 calories. so right now I'm maintenance and seeing at 3,000 calories right now.

Oh, bro. Good job. And are you lifting weights or are you still doing the garbage, 75, whatever it's called? Yeah, I'm lifting weights. I'm doing some strength training by like AI. Okay. How many days a week are you lifting right now? I try to go for a three or four.

All right. Is it full body or is it like a split? So I listen to you. So I switched to full body. Good. How's your strength? I can bench 205 for two reps. I can squat 235.

Okay. How was this? I don't really. How was this versus how you started? Like how big of an improvement was that for you? I've seen a lot of strength gains because I started around 125, 130 on bench and I'm halfway close to 200 now. Yeah, dude.

Yeah, you're doing good. Yeah. And are you seeing pretty good strength gains through the reverse diet? Yeah, yeah. I feel so much more better and way stronger. I bet. Bro, you're killing it. Are you maintaining weight, too, at 3,000 calories?

Are you holding around 195? Is that where you're at? I'm flushing between 180 and 185, yeah. Oh, bro. And eating 3,000? You're doing great. So what are the challenges that you're running into right now? Are there any challenges?

Are you just asking us to see if you're on the right track? So right now I feel like really small. I want to get bigger. I feel like really skinny. All right. All right. Yeah. I'll send you a program that'll help.

Yeah. Well, if you've been holding your weight around 185, 190, and you're at 3,000 calories, we can jump to 3,500, put you on a program, and then we'll start gaining. Yeah.

So jump down with that. Yeah. Yeah. What's your protein intake at? You're hitting at least 200 grams? I take around, it fluctuates between 200 to 225. Oh, you're great, bro.

Yeah, you're doing good. Let's put you on mass power lift. Yeah, I'll do that. Let's get you strong as hell. Bump your calories between, you know, four to 500 calories. And let's get you really strong. And then there's a second part to your question. You might want to be a trainer?

Yeah, I was looking to be in a trainer. I got a CBT workout, like a certificate training course. And I've been setting up on that. I've listened to every podcast so far for the Academy podcast. Good. Oh, good. I've done the 30 days of coaching, and I've listened to over 100 episodes of y'all. Oh, good.

That's great, bro. So you got the NASM CPT? Is that where you're on? It's called Action CBT, a cheaper version. Have you finished it yet, or are you just getting into it? I'm still in the middle of taking my classes. Okay, good deal. After that, look at our course, because it will teach you how to build your business.

And I'm just, just to encourage you, Nathan, in my experience, one of the best ways to maintain what you're doing, including the sobriety, is to train other people. Like when you start to pour, because right now you're fixing you, and you've done a great job, dude. This is like an incredible success story. But one of the best ways to maintain that is to pour into other people, is to help other people through this process. And through that, that'll give you so much more.

It's so rewarding, especially if you like people, especially if you want to help people. especially if you feel so blessed by what you've been able to accomplish. Being a personal trainer will be so amazing for you, dude, in so many different ways. Doing really good, bro. Doing really good.

Especially from where you came from, how hard you went, and then to be back up to 3,000 calories, holding your weight. You're in a good place, dude. You're in a really good place. Yeah, growing up, I didn't really have a mentor and anybody to look up to this.

I didn't really have, like, a career or future to choose. And then when I started listening to y'all, it's like, they like snapped in me. I was like, damn, I want to be a personal trainer. What a fun. What a blessing, bro. What an absolute blessing.

You might if I ask you a couple, because there's someone listening right now, I think you could really benefit from hearing more about your story. Do you mind if I ask you a couple more questions? Yeah, that's fine. Okay. How is your, how do you feel emotionally, mentally now versus before? Because obviously you're not self-medicating with the food and the alcohol, but now you're working out.

you're eating your strength training what's the difference in how you feel lifestyle all that stuff um i feel great i don't feel as much stress as i used to i mean i feel i feel like i can move more every day i don't feel lazy anymore i don't feel like sitting around the house like i used to i want to get out and do something and uh i basically just want to be more productive and keep moving to be honest that's great dude that's great bro thanks for calling in man yeah yeah yeah we'll send over the Matt's power lift to you. Bump your calories to about 3,500 calories. Maintain that through the whole program.

You want to get back on in three months? I've loved to talk to you again. Yeah, yeah. I'm down. Yeah, I'm down with that. Let's do it, bro. And keep in touch with us. Yeah, yeah.

Report back. 3,500, follow power lift, just get strong. And watch what happens in three months. All right, man. Appreciate you. You got it, brother. Bro, great story. Yeah.

Great story. What a testament to just how resilient the body can be at a young age like that. You know, to be able to cut that hard, that aggressive. And then instantly he can be back up to 3,000 calories. You also are looking at it's not just the cut in calories. What you're looking at was the amount that he was probably drinking, because we didn't get into it, but it sounded like it was a problem. It sounded like it was a problem.

How damaging that is to the body. And the reason why it sounds like it's a lot is because he said the way he stopped could have been dangerous. In order for that to happen, you have to be drinking a lot. Well, and to put on that much weight, that much weight on a 6-4 body frame is at that young of an age means you're putting down calories. But just, not just, not even just that. There's a certain level of alcohol consumption where it gets so bad that if you cut cold turkey, you can actually die. Yeah. Because of the withdrawal. So he must have been drinking a lot. So the switch, thankfully, he was okay with it, but it made him so much healthier. Yeah. Which is where we,

get a lot of resilience. Yeah. And it's just such an incredible success story. But I do love how he talked about his friend. And you know what? This is just, listen, I'm saying this. Look at you with that spark, though. There is a difference between men and women and how we receive certain information.

And guys know this. If you have a buddy that you trust, they can say things to you. Nobody else can say. Super blunt. Yeah. And it can snap you into action, which is great. And I'm glad that it worked for them. And I can't wait to hear about a success.

And to be honest with you guys, just between us, like I want to keep hearing about this because these are the kind of trainers I want working for us. These kind of success stories. Our next caller is Cindy from Connecticut. Hi, Cindy. How are you? How are you? Good.

How can we help you? Good. I have a little bit of history. First of all, thank you so much for letting me be on here. I have a little bit of history to tell you. Not too remote, but. In 2024, I began taking terseptide for weight loss. And during this time, I would listen to your podcast.

And I would listen because I wanted information on muscle building because I knew that fast weight loss can stimulate muscle loss. So I would hear that you said that you needed to bulk to, gain muscle. And as I listened to that, I was like, oh, baloney. I didn't like that. I wasn't everything else she had to say, but I just kind of was like, no, no. During that time, I was a family, or I am a family nurse practitioner, and I owned my own practice.

And I was prescribing semi-glutide. And I would always tell my patients, make sure you lift weights, eat at least 100 grams of, of protein. Now I know that that's not enough, but from my own experience. And so I would impress that upon them. But fast forward to March of 2025, I found out I had breast cancer and I had to have a double mastectomy and then breast reconstruction. So during that time, weightlifting was not an option, I stopped taking the terseptide, which is what most people know is zeppount. So during that time, I couldn't lift weights because I had one surgery, couldn't lift weights, had another surgery.

So 2025 was not that great for weightlifting. So I started lifting weights in November for about a month. In June of last year, I found out that I found out that I. I had osteoporosis, and I declined the medications and wanted to do lifestyle to see if I could reverse that. So my endocrinologist, God bless her, sent me to physical therapy. And I had been reading about the Liftmore trials, and I knew I wanted to do that. Once I found out I had osteoporosis, I realized that you really have to lift half. heavy. So I was concerned about hurting myself, and my plan was to hire a personal trainer. But she sent me to

PT. During this time, I sold my practice because, you know, when I found out I had osteoporosis, I was like, that's it. I'm done. Sold my practice. And I'm going to be a gym rat and garden. That was my plan. So, so I, um, I, I, I went to the physical therapist and I started out training. And December 5th was my first day. I barbell squatted 55 pounds. And just this Monday, I barbell squat 110. So I'm increasing.

Deadlift started out at 75, ended up at 115. But in December, I had a Dexa scan because I wanted to see. exactly how much muscle mass I had. Not so much for bone density. I already had that, but fat and muscle mass. So I had gained 12 pounds during this time. I was trusting the process, but I gained 12 pounds. And I, seven and a half pounds of it in 13 weeks was muscle. Yes. Very good. And I'm 61 years old. I'm 5-5. Where they tell me, five four and a half now, but I started out at 153 and I'm now 164. So I have been consuming 130 to 150 grams of protein without fail daily.

Good. Since, I guess, November. I'm eating much cleaner. My calories have been about 1750 per day. For the past five weeks, it's been about 19-100. hundred and I've gained I think five pounds in the past month. I walk a lot and but I'm increasing that now that the weather's getting nicer. But I want to know, am I at a point where I could start to cut calories? No. Because I'm still gaining weight.

No, no. No, you're still too low. Cindy, we still got to go more. Yeah. First, let me start off. You're so lovely. I really appreciate you calling in. and I like you a lot.

And I think you're moving in the right direction, but you're scared of the scale. And I'm just going to tell you, we got to make a choice here. What's more important to you? Bone strength and longevity or the scale. You got to make a choice right now. Okay.

Yeah. 100%. If I was coaching you, we don't even need the scale, I would not let you weigh yourself because that's going to mess with you. Okay. Definitely not in a place to cut.

You're at 1900 calories. Where are we going to go? 14-hac calories. We'll see a little bit of weight loss and then we'll plateau. And we'll stop all the strength gains and muscle gains and increases in bone density that we're seeing. Bone density increases follow strength increases. Now muscle mass is a proxy for strength. So muscle gain is great.

The best measure or the best correlate to bone density is increased tension on the bone, which comes from strength. Right. So that's what we're looking for is strength. So if you're going to track anything, it's going to be strength. That's the most important thing. Are you working with the trainer, by the way? Or you're working with a PT to do all this? Right.

Well, so I was working with the PT since December up until Monday this week. And I'm done with her because insurance is paying for it because I have the osteoporosis diagnosis. Got it. But, you know, they're not going to let me. They're not going to pay for a personal trainer. So I'm pretty independent. I'm independent. I know when I need to, you know, increase the weights and stuff.

And I have a membership at Planet Fitness with my son. So we're going to be going there. So I have a couple of questions about that because now I'm going to be by myself. And I have to be able to, you know, because I never thought I could lift as heavy as what she showed me. I never would have done it if I hadn't had a trainer at all. And you're going to get a lot stronger than that. Yeah, for sure. Is working with a trainer once a week feasible?

Well, I have a lot of ideas. There's a new gym in our area that has, like, group. No, no, no, no, no. You need one-on-one. Yeah, but I need to know if it's feasible, because then I have some other potential options for you. Well, I don't know what, what, resources it would. Okay. So typically, where are you located? I might have a better idea. Connecticut.

Okay. So a personal trainer is probably going to cost you anywhere between $70 to $100 a session, a good one. So you're probably looking at $400 to $500 a month, $4 to $500 a month to work with a good trainer. And the kind of trainer that you're going to want in person is someone with a correctional exercise background and someone with experience training people like you. Okay. Okay. So that's what you want to work with. Right. And so those are the questions. How long have you been training people? And have you trained a lot of people like me? In fact, if you go into a gym, the best way to find this out is to talk to the fitness manager.

And you're going to tell them, I want to work with a trainer. I will hire a trainer, but here's what I'm looking for. Then the fitness manager will know who to set you up with. And then you could take it from there. But you wouldn't need more than once a week with a trainer. That's your best option. If that's not an option or that's not feasible, then for under $100 a month, you can join our Muscle Mommy group, which I think you'd get tremendous value.

And that's more like virtual coaching. It's virtual coaching, but you're meeting, we have once a week meets in there. It's all women. Most of them are on reverse diets or working on very similar goals as you have. And so it's an incredible community of other women trying to build muscle, reverse dieting, and one of our best coaches, two of our best coaches, are in there, and they're in their weekly meeting with all the ladies. And so that would be a great option.

Obviously, in person, like Sal's recommending would be the best. Yeah, because that would allow someone to actually take you through the exercises. Yes. And watch your foreman and do all that stuff. And how long were you working with a physical therapist? Since December 5th. Okay. So, I mean, if you strength train and do it well and work with a coach,

for the next, let's say, six months to a year, that is about as long as it'll take for you to be able to get a really good feel for how to perform exercises and how to progressively overload yourself. It does take that long. So people often think, well, I just need to learn the exercise, but there's a much longer learning process with knowing what it feels like to go heavier and how to lift properly and all that stuff. So it would be about six months to a year.

But once a week is all you would need. And I'm not joking. you would only need once a week with a trainer. And then another day a week, you could go to the gym and do the easy strength training stuff. So you could leave the easy exercises for yourself to go in. And so you're only going to let strength train twice a week. That's it. The rest of the week...

Right. That's all I have done. Yeah. Good. That's good. And all you would do the rest of the week is walk. And you would see nice, consistent increases in strength. And I would want you to eat more calories.

I still would want you to bump your calories. I think a good start would be. be to go up 200 calories. A good start would go up to 200 more. Okay. And then the goal would be to stay there. And then when we start seeing strength increases and or this is where the coaching is nice, right, is because I'd be talking to you on a weekly basis.

If I hear you telling me things like, man, Adam, my appetite's increasing. That's a good sign to me. That means our metabolism is kicking up and then I'd probably bump you again. Yeah. So I'm watching both strength. and I'm listening to you with appetite. And if I hear appetite increases, I'm bumping calories. If I start to see strength grains in the gym, I'm bumping calories.

So you can support that continued growth. Yeah. And so, and this is what, just to comfort you and encourage you a little bit, this is what fat loss looks like when you do it through strength training. You tend to go up first before you see the fat loss. Right. Okay. So, so, so, so, so, and that why?

Because the metabolic rate kicks up with the muscle. Then the fat loss starts to. happen. weighing yourself on the scale is going to mess with your head through this process. I know. I know. I know. I know. You're right. You're right. You're right. But I will say this. Building bone, and I have more questions for you, but I'll get to. But building bone is as predictable and consistent as building muscle. It's not this. It's not this mysterious, weird thing. Like, oh, my God, how do we do this? It's literally as consistent and predictable. It's, it's consistent and as building muscle, barring any crazy autoimmune issue or something like that.

Okay. Right. It's very consistent. I've done it so many times with people. And the two things that prevent it from happening are inadequate nutrient. So it could be not enough calories. That's very common. It could be a nutrient deficiency.

Sometimes the women that I would train were so afraid of eating too much fat that their fat intake was too low. And so I'd have to bump their fat intake. In other words, Cindy, I wouldn't want you eating anything less than like 65 grams of fat a day. I don't know what your fat intake looks like. About 85. Okay, you're good. Good, good. I document everything.

I have it, you know, being a nurse practitioner, I have my calories, the protein. I have it so dialed in. And I'm good. I don't really know what to do with the fat and carbs, though. Whatever feels good. I used to be a very low carbor, you know. No, whatever feels good. Whatever feels right to you.

So what I would do with you is I would play with the two of them. In other words, you know, one week, the way we'd get those extra 200 calories, I would bump your fats. And I'd ask you, how does that feel? How is your digestion? And then you give me feedback. Do you like eating that? Hopefully that, if you don't, then I'd say, hey, next week, let's get those extra 200 calories with carbs.

And then I'd say, how do you feel? All the same questions. And then we'd do something somewhere in the middle, half from carbs, half of it. And like, really, because at that point, if you're hitting protein intake, you're hitting a good minimum number of fat like salo. If you're hitting 80 grams, you're doing good. So if you're getting the minimum, minimum I want of fat, you're getting what we need protein, then we can really divide up the carbs and

fat however you like. Yep, yep. However you like it, whatever makes you feel better, whatever. And most importantly, since the main thing we should all be focusing on right now is strength, that's actually what I'm wanting to know the most from you is like, hey, which ones are fueling those workouts? When you eat 200 grams of carbs or something, does that all of a sudden make you have great workouts? Or does it not?

Does it make you feel lethargic and you don't feel good? So I would like to hear your performance from messing with those. Well, it's funny. After I wrote this letter to you, so that was about a month ago, I started getting really, really achy and fatigued, you know, and not achy like, you know, like doms or anything like that. Just like this joint hurts. This spot hurts. So now it moved over here, blah, blah, blah. So I was talking to my trainer, and she said, why don't we delode you?

Yeah. So a couple of weeks ago, we did, instead of doing four sets, we did two sets for two weeks. Did it feel better? I did. I felt a lot better. Good. But, yeah, so I went back to my full thing. So could that be I needed more calories or just, just, it was just time to just take a break. It could be both.

Yeah, so they've done studies on delodes and well-trained athletes like young men, okay, well-trained athletes. So we're talking about even a category where they have even greater recovery. that stuff, the groups that do the delode week build 20 to 29% more strength in muscle than the ones that don't. So it's just the recovery thing. Now, lack of calories can definitely hamper recovery. So it could have been both. But I think your physical therapist was totally right on point.

I'm assuming you're supplementing with all the essential nutrients. You probably have your vitamin D levels test and all that stuff. I take essential amino acids. I read that the essential amino acids that are not the branch chain amino acids, not only help with osteoporosis because you build muscle, but they also support osteoblast activity and suppress osteoclast. And I was like, I'm buying, I'm taking more. I'm spending a lot of money.

Are you taking creatine? Yes. Good, good. Yeah, 20 grams a day. Oh, you're killing it. You're good. I'm very puffy. No, no, no, you're doing great.

You're doing great. For bone density, you don't even need 20 grams. Shillajit, I take that too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're doing great. You're doing everything right. You're doing good. Yeah, we just bump the calories. Work with a good trainer.

I know it's a large investment, but it will set you up. It'll set you up forever. If you can't do that, at least get in the muscle mommy movement group. You will get a lot of value for that, Cindy. This would be the perfect formula, Cindy. I'll give you the perfect, perfect formula. You would work with one of our coaches and what we call concierge coaching.

And here's why that would be a good addition. They'll help you with the reverse diet. They'll help you through the process. That's what they'll focus on, the nutrition aspect of it. They will also be able to coach you to find the right trainer. Whenever I recommend somebody go find a personal trainer, there's always a piece of me, and I hate to say this because this is my field,

but there's always a piece of me that's like, man, I hope they find a good trainer because there's loss our fingers. Yeah, with the Liftmore trial, I mean, not everybody knows about that. Because you've got to lift heavy. It's not just that. It's not just that. There are a lot of trainers that know exercises,

but there's not a lot of trainers that know how to train people appropriately. It sounds like the physical therapist you work with was good. But there's a lot of trainers out there that they'll just beat you up. They'll just put you through a crazy workout, make you sweat. They don't understand correctional exercise. So if you're working with one of our coaches in conjunction, you can ask them questions and they'll help coach you to, find the right coach that you could work with.

And if you work with both of them, you're perfect. You've got the diet. You've got the workout. Maybe give yourself six months of this. At the end of that, you can reassess. Do I feel like I'm good going off on my own? It is a large investment, but it's not a forever one. And then you'd be totally set.

And here's the other question. Are you on nullvodex or any, are they doing anything hormonally with you? Are they blocking estrogen receptors? Is they doing anything like that? They. Tomoxifen. The psychologist wanted me on estrogen blockers. I wouldn't go on it.

Okay. I'm a bad patient. Because, you know, what am I going to do? I'm going to take this medication that's going to turn me into a 90-year-old in six months, and I won't be able to lift a feather. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay, we're good then.

That was just another consideration. Yeah. I have another question. I went from deadlift at 105 pounds to 115. I don't know if that was too big of a jump or if that was too big of a jump in a month. But I just, I feel like my lower back is so tired. And when I first started doing deadlifts, it was like I had a new life and I could, I could empty the dishwasher without strain in my back.

I could feed the chickens without strain in my back. I could, you know, everything was easy. Now I feel like my back is like vulnerable. Yeah. It depends on your technique, the intensity, how you're progressing. I'd have to watch you to know if that frequency of that exercise. Yeah. So let me do this.

Let me have one of our coaches call you. They can answer more questions. Concierge coaching when they call you, say, hey, Sal mentioned concierge coaching. Essentially, you would meet with them monthly and they would work on your nutrition. But then they'd also coach you on finding a good coach. And then they can work together for you. I want you to do that or the muscle mommy movement at the bare minimum, Sydney. Because even with that, so you're asking about the deadlift,

one of our trainers would have you video yourself deadlifting and they'd be able to coach you virtually and say, oh, I noticed this, and they'll be able to be able to look at the way you move and be able to give you some feedback, at least. Obviously, coaching with a trainer in person that's good, is ideal. But if at the very minimum, having someone with virtually will help too. So we're going to help you through this. Okay. Thank you so much.

All right. I really enjoy your show. and thank you for, you know, how you stand on your faith and everything, you know. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I appreciate that. I love that. I do, too.

I appreciate it. I like how you talk about it. You know, Jesus said that, you know, any man declares me before men, I will declare him before the father. And you're doing that. That's awesome. Thank you so much. And you are doing a great job, Cindy. You are.

You wait. You see if you do this right and you're consistent and you train properly, you're going to see your bone density improve. It's very, very predictable. Oh, thank you. You got it. So many people say, oh, no, you can't do it on your own. Can't be done.

Can't be done. Yeah. You're doing it. You're doing it. I've done it every single time. You're doing it. Stay at the course. Yeah, it takes work.

It's easy to take a pill or take a shop. That's right. Right. Yeah. Well, great job. 100%. I hope I see you with our coaches. If they end up working with you, I'll pop in and say hi.

Okay, great. Thank you. All right. All right. Take care. Bye-bye. You know, I'm so glad she said that last part about bone density. The reason why it's so hard to increase bone density is because it requires systematic application of proper strength training and proper diet.

And it takes coaching. It is not a prescription. You tell the average person with osteoporosis or osteopenia, oh, you got to go lift weights and then make sure eat right. Huh? Yeah. What does that look like? Weight-bearing exercise.

I guess I wear a weight vest. I walk or maybe I'll go try something. They don't know intensity. They don't know exercise. It's a long conversation. And then on top of it, oftentimes, this is people who are afraid of gaining weight. And so then like her, her calories, they weren't even super low, but they're still too low.

And so you have women. I've worked with so many women who've come to me, who've been osteopenia. This is before osteoporosis. We're like, but I lift weights. I don't know what's going on. I look at their down. You're not eating enough. Let's bump your calories.

Boom. Bone density goes up. Yep. Our next caller is Rodney from Wisconsin. What's up, Rodney? What's up, Rodney? Hey, guys. Thanks for all the content and everything you do.

I'll just jump right into it because I don't want to forget something here. All right, I'm 49 years old, six foot and 210 pounds. I'm a husband and father of two girls, ages 10 and 6. We are quite busy, especially now as I coach both girls' softball teams and the oldest is in travel. I consistently eat 200 grams of protein, and I'm currently eating about 3,200 calories a day. I average 10,000 steps a day. I take magnesium glycinate and ashwaganda, and my diet is about 90% whole foods. I work for 10-hour days as a delivery driver for a major soda brand, which can be quite physical.

Prior to last September, I was training for ultramarathons and did that for about the past five years or so, and I would run anywhere from 30 to 80 miles a week. And I also lifted one to two times a week, too. I realized I enjoyed being in the gym more than running because it felt like a part-time job. And so I started anabolic. I recognized that that was too much. So I switched to Maps 15.

At first I was skeptical thinking it wasn't enough, but my strength started going up in the gym and at work. And I just felt more energetic overall. So the beginning of this year, I started working on sleep, which is difficult because I wake up at 3 a.m. for work. But I'm trying to get in bed by 8.8.30 now. Ultimately, I'd like to get to 15% body, because I just feel like I'm doing all the right things.

So I started Cemetery 15 on a cut at 2,500 calories. But I started to feel more sluggish at work and at the gym. So I pushed my calories back up to 3,200. And it was like instantly within a few days, I felt better, stronger, lest we're going up again. So I feel like I'm ready to take off. I just need the right flight plan. you know what I'm saying?

Do I keep trying to push up the calories and then just cut them slowly? My thought was power lift 15 after this. I'm in phase three right now, symmetry, 15. There's two approaches. So you've got a pretty busy life. You move a lot because of your job. Your sleep is not optimal. I know you're working on it, but you know, you're probably getting six and a half hours most nights, right?

And best. At best, right? So that's really plays a big role in recovery and stuff like that. So there's really two approaches with this. Approach, one is you hover around 3,200. You manage your sleep, like focus on that and just let your body slowly improve. Option two is you bump your calories and see where that takes in how you feel. What you don't want to do is go on any cuts.

I don't, I think a cut for you would be not a good idea. whatsoever. You'll feel it right away, which you did. Which I did, yeah. Yeah. So I don't think it's a good idea to go on a cut at all. So you could stay at about 3,200 and just kind of do this nice, you know, recomp and really try to get the sleep. That's going to make the biggest difference. But math 15 protocol is best, dude. I wouldn't add any additional exercise because your activity and your lack of sleep

and just stay nice and consistent with that. And then again, you could play with increasing calories. you can bump it to 34. And if you feel better and you're stronger, then stay there. Then just stay there. But definitely don't do a cut. Okay.

All right. That's it. Yeah, I think you're doing really good. If I have a client who has a lot of discipline around eating, and if I tell them, hey, let's go up to 3,500 calories, and they can do that through good food choices and that it's not difficult for them, versus a client who I tell to do that to, and then all of a sudden it gives them permission

to eat treats and do other shit. That's the client, I would say, stay at your 3,200. But if you feel like I could bump to 34, 3,500, I'll do it through whole foods and I don't have a problem keeping that discipline to do that, then I think there's some value in increasing calories and seeing if you notice a difference in performance

inside the gym and keep going that direction. Because what that will do is if you see an increase in performance by bump calories, it also might improve sleep. And then all of a sudden, we get to a place where you're eating 36, 3,800 calories and you're not putting on body fat. Now we're at a place where we can come back down

to 3,000, 3,200 calories, and you'll lean out and you'll still feel satisfied. And so that's kind of the other... Those are the two options I see here. I see either just hovering where you're at because it sounds like you found kind of this spot where it's like anything lower or you don't feel good, so I don't want to cut you from there.

3,000 calories for a 6-foot, 200-some-pound guys, you want to be eating around that. Like, I mean, even when I was at peak competing, I never liked to get below 2,500, and that's trying to get crazy for a stage, and that's unhealthy. So most of the time, I'd want to be well into 3,000 plus, and you're an active guy. So those would be the two options. If you want to try and play with the calories, bump them, I would only just caution you if you're the type of person who know when you, oh, I got to bump calories.

So all of a sudden you start eating out of bounds and 3,400 turns into 3,900 or 4,000 quickly. Then maybe that's not the best strategy. But if you're good, I'd push you up if you're a client. I think you'll feel better with adding 200 calories. Yeah. How many days a week? Are you working five days a week?

Four days a week. Four days. On your three days off, what does your sleep look like? It's better. How is it better? Like what time do you go to bed and wake up? Pretty much right around the same time because I'm so tired. So I try to get sped by those days, 9, 9.30.

and I'm in bed till six. Okay. Your best bet is to try and keep it consistent all week long. And what's more important is going to bed at the same time. So sleeping in a little bit is better than going to bed later. Well, you don't want to do just throw off your circadian rhythm. Because here's a deal, it's very, because your sleep is so, it's kind of subpar consistently, it's very touching.

It's very touchy. So on the days off, if you're like, I want to sleep in, go to bed at 8 and sleep in versus go to bed at 9 and sleep in. It doesn't sound like a big difference, but for someone like you that's kind of on the edge, that would make a better impact. Rodney, are you going off a just feel

or do you have any metrics? Like, do you have like a Fitbit or a ring or any of those things, any tools like that to track sleep? Just a garment that I wear. Okay. Does it have sleep? Does it have sleep? Does it give you sleep?

Yeah, it gives sleep scores. Okay. I've been really paying it. attention to that a lot lately. Yeah, I mean, for someone like you, I find a lot of, like, sleep has been my main focus for like the last six months. I've been really tweaking things. And I think just having a feed a tool like that to give me feedback of, oh, I, you know, I made sure to hit my magnesium. Oh, I noticed I turned the TV off by this time. Oh, I had dinner at this time and like, in paying attention to those little minor tweaks. I know it sounds like a pain in the butt.

But in your case, because this is like a, it's very difficult because you wake up, so early, it is an area of focus. So, because I know it's like, oh, my God, I got to go to bed of aid. And, you know, it's like a big thing about, but that's like the big, like your training is good. Your diet is good. The thing that you could, that you, if you focused on, that would cause the biggest improvements, it would be sleep. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, I definitely feel like I could push the calories more because I feel like I'm always hungry anyway. Oh, for sure. Yeah, that's a good sign then. Yeah, go up to 3,400 calories. Yeah, bump the calories and let's see what happens strength-wise. For sure. Yeah. the gym. Okay. Yeah, like the sleep thing, it's, you know, during the week, when I do work,

it's like, I'm happy if my sleep scores in the 70s, you know, so. Yeah, yeah, no, I feel you. No, that'll be the biggest impact, dude. But yeah, bump your calories. After you said you were hungry, for sure, bump your calories. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, that was pretty easy. Yeah, it is. Good job, dude. Well, not, but not really. But yeah. Yeah, yeah. Good job. Good job with trusting us, by the way. Yeah. It's not easy for an ultra-marathoner to look at math 15 and be like that's my workout yeah i know it was like that's it yeah but i'm glad you trusted it dude so good job for that yeah definitely give it out right thanks guys all right you got it yeah that's good i'm uh everybody looks at well not everybody but especially people

the history of just working their butts off with workouts looks at mass 15 two exercises we just we just recorded an episode the other day about mouse 15 it's just it's been such an interesting journey, like how we, I mean, look how long it took us before we wrote a program like that. And then the results that are people, I mean, it really highlights the listener that we get. It's just, it's most people. You know, when you look at the data on volume and training, the majority, the studies are done on college-aged males who are, who don't have all this stuff going on. The average person's got a family, a job, stress. And it's not that it's this intensely stressed thing that's happening. It's just cumulative, dude.

This is how I've been living. People don't factor it in and it does make it big impact. I've been living like this for 10 years, 20 years. Yeah, it adds up. And so you just need the right dose. And more than that sets you back. Yeah. Our next caller is Robin from Maryland.

Hi, Robin. How you doing Robin? Hi, how are you guys? Good. How are you? How can we help you? Well, I'm going to read just to get us started. I've listened to you guys and your podcast for many years.

My daughter turned me on to your content years ago. and I really enjoy what you guys have put out. I'd love your advice for someone in my particular situation. I'm a 60-year-old woman in menopause. I'm between 5-5 and 5-6. Right now, ranging around 130 to 134 pounds, which to me is a little higher than usual. I work as a real estate agent, very busy.

And one week every month, I'm also the primary caregiver for my elderly mother. So my schedule is pretty unpredictable. Generally, eat pretty clean, but probably only getting around 1,700 calories a day, sometimes less, realizing that on some of those days I may not be getting enough protein as well. Started tracking my macros again in the last few months, trying to get myself back on track, trying to steady the bit of weight gain I was seeing and just feeling overall frustrated. I feel like I'm not making progress aesthetically, especially since menopause.

I know strength training would be beneficial for me to get back into and maintaining muscle and overall health, but I struggle to stay consistent with lifting because of my workload and caregiving responsibilities. though when my kids were younger, I was an avid lifter. I was at the gym all the time, and I'd love to get myself back to some version of that same self. Love your advice on how to finally see the aesthetic changes I'm looking for again. Things seem exponentially more difficult in this stage of life, struggling to find balance of health, longevity, and aesthetic goals. Would love your input.

on how to finally start seeing physical changes in my body, protect my hormonal and metabolic health. I want to be strong and healthy as I age, but feeling like I need some guidance and, frankly, a definitive plan. Thanks so much for your consideration. Thank you so much for calling in. By the way, did you say 60? You look phenomenal.

Yeah, you look great. I am 60, yeah, just turned 60. So you're, okay, so I'm going to ask you a few more questions about your background a little bit with nutrition. Would you say in the past, You've always been someone who kind of watches their diet so they don't gain weight. Is this like a pattern for you that you've always kind of? I've never needed to even consider it.

I've always been very active. The weight I am now is probably the most I've ever weighed with the exception of being pregnant with four children. So me seeing those numbers now, I think that's the part that frustrates me because it's harder for me to maintain, where I've always been. Okay. Are you afraid of eating more? Not afraid. I mean, concerned because I know my activity level as far as being consistent with my lifts and my workouts fluctuate.

So I have these conversations with my daughter frequently and she'll encourage me, you know, the same philosophies. And I think she called in a few weeks ago. You guys talked to her as well. I understand what the philosophy. you guys have to build, build through it. So I know that's right. It does concern me, but I try to just not let the self-chatter get in the way. Yeah, because you definitely are eating too little. And I don't think you're inactive, even if your workouts are inconsistent.

Just based off of what you said, and your schedule is so busy, I don't think you're like a sit around and do nothing kind of person. You're moving a lot. Your calories are too low to try to build into what you want. So your body's holding on to body fat because your calories are too low. And you can strength train all you want, but nothing's going to happen unless we feed the muscle. And so the way to look, the way to look, and you'd have to get off the scale and not look at it for a little while because it'll mess with your head. But the way this looks when you do it right is you build into the body that you want, which means the scale may move up a little bit. but then that metabolic rate kicks in and then the fat loss starts to happen.

If we don't do that, we're just going to be spinning our tires in the dirt. You're just going to be staying in the same place and nothing's going to happen. You could cut your calories and you'll just end up losing muscle and energy and you'll just feel terrible. And so what's happening right now is your your body is just holding on. You're eating just enough to stay where you're at. And what that's going to feel like is going to feel like burnout and fatigue. because it's just not enough, especially if you start to add strength,

especially if you send a signal to burn calories, especially if you add more stress on your body, which is what exercise is. That's why it induces changes. It's a type of stress. It's a good stress, but without adequate, consistent nutrition, calories and protein,

it's just not going to do anything. And so what this would look like, and this is easier said than done, would be a nice, controlled, monitored, reverse diet, and through that process, proper strength training, and what we're looking for are strength gains. That's what we're going to want. We want strength gains.

And then that's what's going to make you feel like your body's working for you again. And what it feels like when people do this right, people in your situation, is the comments that people come back with is, I can't believe this is working. And I'm getting leaner. I don't even feel like I'm trying is what it starts to feel like because your body's working for you. Right now you're kind of fighting. your body. And a lot of it has to do with the fact that you're just not, you're just not eating

enough. She's also, you mentioned aesthetics. Sal, what about like, I mean, thyroid and testosterone. Are you, as your doctor prescribed you, thyroid or testosterone, are you on anything right now? No, they've not. But I started working with a functional medicine doctor several years ago, went through a lot of the testing. I was having some gut issues. So we did the Dutch test, among other things. I actually did a three months complete cleanse where I was gluten-free, dairy-free, histamine-free, all at the same time. Hard, but I'm a rule follower.

So if it's what they told me I needed to do to get to the other side of it, I just did it. I felt great. I did drop a little bit of weight, but probably at that point, I wasn't having the same considerations I'm having right now. I just feel like to further along I get in menopause the next birthday or whatever. I'm just, you know, watching numbers change. And I don't know. I just, I don't like it because I don't like the overall composition of my body right now.

That's probably it more than anything. You would get remarkable results if we, if you allowed yourself to build. If you fueled it properly and allowed yourself to build muscle, you would get really good, nice, consistent results. Hormone therapy could be a cherry on top, but not necessary. I've worked with so many women in menopause. Hormone therapy or not. And yeah, the hormone therapy helps, but it doesn't come close to proper strength training. Well, yeah, if she's not feeding with the extra hormones, it's not to do anything, but hormones with increased calories in strength training could be absolutely magical. Yeah, totally. What would probably benefit you, well, definitely

what would benefit you, Robin, is to work with somebody through this process. Because a reverse diet is, it's great, sounds great on paper. You understand the philosophy, which it's, you know, as you said, like you understand our first philosophy. It sounds right. But there's a difference between knowing it in your head and then knowing it because you've experienced it. It's a very scary process.

Oh, you want me to eat more? You want me to eat more? Like, what's going on here? And I'm working out. I'm getting stronger, but I feel bigger. And that's not necessarily what I want. And it's a really difficult process for someone to get through without a coach coaching you through the process of doing it. You had said something, you just said something like, you know, I'm good at taking direction.

If you're good, if you're really good at outsourcing this and allowing a coach to coach you through the process, that would be your best bet. And then they would take you through this process. And the reverse diet typically looks like, depending on the person, 100 to 200 to 200,000. calorie increase and then we stabilize and then we do it again and we monitor your strength training we look at your strength gains and how you feel and then depending on that then we can bump it again but with your activity level your size what you're looking to do you're probably going to end up somewhere around 23 and 2400 calories at least at least and that's that's a lot more than you're eating now yeah yeah I would argue higher I'd argue 26 to 2800 and then you'll

eventually come back down if we want to lean out from there but there's no way I'm cutting calories I get you up over 26. No. I mean, if you just went up to 1800 calories right now, you'd feel great. Yeah. But I think it might mess with your head. As I say, you would and you wouldn't. You'd feel great maybe in the gym and how you perform, but psychologically is the hardest part here.

Whenever I take somebody on a reverse diet, especially if we're in menopause and stuff like that, it's the water weight fluctuation, the dips in energy up and down. A lot of this stuff starts to mess with my, and it's a constant conversation of like, we're doing the right things. trust the process. I got you. It's up the first time I've seen this. Stay the course.

We're going to come out of the other side. You know, can I ask you some more questions, Robin? Would you say that you're the kind of person that's like, you kind of wrap your hands around everything? I manage this. I manage that. I manage that. Okay. You got to outsource it.

You got to outsource it, hon. I don't think adding more things for you to manage and control is a good idea. It's a lot of mental stress for sure. I think it might be a good idea to just, here, give it to you. and then you tell me what to do and I don't need to think about it and I'm just going to trust you and I'm going to trust you until I realize I don't need to trust you anymore because I can see it's working and that's probably going to take about six months. So if you know that about yourself, then I would work with a coach.

Right. And I mean, I used to years ago when I was at the gym all the time, I started with a coach, did that for gosh, quite a while and then became such a good. good friends with the coaches that we became workout partners. And they were like, you push me as hard as I push you, just come in, you know, we'll come in the same time and I'm just going to jump in with you. And then that's how I trained for the next, gosh, probably eight years. That's wonderful. But, you know, my life changed and, you know, things happened.

A divorce came into play. and I at that point had to kind of adjust things that I was doing and I became or I stepped away from being a state home mom with our four kids and started in real estate. So at that point I was growing a new business, which has been wonderful to me, but I kind of sacrificed that other love that I had of the gym. And so that's kind of to me right now is what's frustrating. and I feel like I'm comparing myself to what used to be and trying to figure out, can I ever get there again? And not that I need to get there again, but at least to feel confident and strong. This is also one of those things that we cannot just will ourselves there, too.

It's more of a delicate dance. When we're talking about hormones, everything you have on your plate right now, where we're at calories, this isn't a matter of you pushing yourself. harder or being so much, like, it's a, it's different. It's different at the stage of life you are at right now. And I think that's the value of the coach. A good coach will be able to coach you through that process as we have these setbacks and changes in schedule and the, like, it's just, it's also just, it's different. It's also just Robin. It sounds like you've taken care of people for your whole life. And, uh, you got to let someone take care of you a little bit. Yeah.

And so, I mean, you could try handling all of this on top of everything else that you're doing. But I don't know if that's a good idea. It sounds like you got your hands full. I've worked with people who've taken care, who've been caretakers for their parents. And I know what that places on an individual. There's a lot of things that manage there. Plus, you got a business.

So you might want to just, I really think your best bet is like, I'm just going to give it to somebody. Can you take care of me? I'll do what you say. I'm not even to think about it. And then let's just go. And then six months into it,

what will probably happen is you're like, oh my God, this is working. This feels good. And it's not scary anymore. And then you're set up. Yeah. I think that probably would be helpful. And I guess in the back of my head, I kind of knew that's the direction I needed to go. But, you know, I am who I am and try to take care of things myself and do as much

as I can on my own. But I also have the personality to kind of push myself harder. than I should in that moment. I had a situation two years ago where I hadn't been working out. It was, you know, end of January. I'm feeling guilty that I hadn't been working out. I got back into running, started running some, running on the treadmill with some elevation,

trying to get my five miles that I had kind of intended. I was going to just, I'd work myself up to, started having some knee pain. And I did my entire self-talk of pain as the body's way, release a weakness. Keep going. This is you get what you get. You did this to yourself. Get to the other side of it. By the end of it, by the end of it, I had a stress fracture and I was on crutches for the next six weeks, not completely non-weight bearing. So that's a little bit of my personality. And I know it's not, it's not, you know, at this phase of my life, it's not necessarily,

it doesn't hit me the same way it used to. Robin, yeah, that has worked. I can, late. Yeah, you went through a divorce. You built a business, taking care of mom, kids. Eight grandchildren. Yeah, yeah. That works until it stops. Yeah. So I think the good news is, though, you're a great client. So somebody, like, I mean, you don't like, you don't, you don't lack discipline. And I, you know, you'll be, you'll do really, really well. You're going to kill it. I got, I prefer a client that I've got to pull back. Yes, 100%. You just need great direction and a quality coach. I think six months would be a good start.

I think six months would be a good start. We could reassess there. I could have one of our guys call you who manages this, and what they'll be able to do is identify who the best coach is for you to work with. And then let's go six months. And let's take it from there. But I don't think it's a good idea for you to manage all this on your own anymore. I appreciate that.

And then I'd love to check back in with you. I'd love to hear where we're at. We'll see you in the coaching. I pop in. Yeah, that would be great. I'd like that. Okay, Robin. All right.

I'm going to have someone. I'll have someone reach out to you. Excited for you. This will be good. Thanks. Bye. Yeah, dude. Like, there comes a point, first off, like divorce, which stay at home, built a business.

She's taking care of her mom. She said she has eight grandkids. Oh, yeah. Go manage your reverse diet. She's a manager. Let's just add more stress on your plate, which is all this managing or everything. I mean, when you're a badass like that, though, it's what's one more thing to. Yeah, take it on too.

feel like that. Yeah, but she's at a point now where she's like, this isn't working. She'll be a great client, though. But I'll tell you, I can tell. The thing, she's the type of person, I'd be like, no, no, no, we're just going to do this. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? That's right. Just trust me. That's what the coach is. It's kind of look like that. It's not going to be a lack of like. Oh, you on top. It's not a good idea.

Yeah, yeah. So she's, she'll do good. Totally. If she releases, if she releases, out sources and then just trusts the process, she'll kill it. Totally. She'll absolutely kill it.

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