Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2873: The Best Way to Train for Strength AND Endurance at the Same Time

Episode Date: June 5, 2026

In this episode the guys break down the three ways to program endurance and strength together — same workout, different days, or alternating weeks — covering the pros, cons and who each approach is actually best for. They also get into the viral heavy metals in protein powder scare (and why it's mostly prop 65 hysteria), the ugly new electric Ferrari that has all of Italy in mourning, GLP-1 concerns about motivation and libido (and why under-eating is the real culprit), Adam's son and Catrina's brutal norovirus battle, Justin taking his sons to the gym for the first time, and Sal's dad's legendary judo match. Then they answer questions submitted through Instagram — covering long cuts, goblet squats, the one peptide they'd each keep, and Adam and Justin's favorite sports moments. MAPS Summer Sale — https://mapsfitnessproducts.com Code: SUMMER40 — 40% off everything (programs, bundles & mods) — June 1–14 only SPONSORS Troscriptions (Just Blue — methylene blue troche) — https://troscriptions.com/MINDPUMP Code: MINDPUMP — 10% off first order. Buccal troche — dissolves between cheek and gum for faster onset. Clearer thinking, mental stamina, sustained focus and physical endurance without stimulant jitters. Huel Black Edition — https://huel.com/MINDPUMP Code: MINDPUMP — 15% off (new customers only). RTD: 35g protein, 7g fiber, 27 vitamins & minerals, under $5. Powder: 40g protein. 100% plant-based, no artificial sweeteners. Flavors: Chocolate Peanut Butter, Vanilla, Salted Caramel, Banana, Cinnamon Roll. LMNT (electrolytes) — https://drinklmnt.com/MindPump Free 8-count sample pack with any purchase — no code needed. No-questions-asked refunds on all orders. LINKS Mind Pump Store: https://mindpumpstore.com  Maps Fitness Products: https://mapsfitnessproducts.com  Instagram: @mindpumpmedia 0:00 - Intro 2:17 - How to program endurance and strength together — the 3 approaches 11:19 - Different days approach — how pro athletes do it and the intensity mistake everyone makes 17:28 - Alternating weeks — who it's actually for and why it's the most underrated method 24:39 - The ugly electric Ferrari — Italy is embarrassed, stock is tanking 34:15 - GLP-1 concerns: lost motivation & libido — why under-eating is the real cause 42:49 - Adam's family hits norovirus hard — Max, Katrina & the drive home from Reno 56:14 - Sal's 95-year-old uncle splits wood for fun — interviewing mom & uncle on longevity 59:15 - Justin takes his sons to the gym — Everett pulls 225lb trap bar deadlift at 120lbs 1:03:52 - Heavy metals in protein powder — why the viral scare is mostly prop 65 hysteria 1:10:27 - Q&A: Is cutting for more than 3 months too long? 1:17:23 - Q&A: How to program goblet squats and what are they best for? 1:22:03 - Q&A: If each host could only keep one peptide, what would it be? 1:30:39 - Q&A: Favorite sports moments — Adam and Justin take center stage (Sal sits this one out)

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There are three general ways to work out when you want both endurance and strength and muscle. You can either do them both in the same workout. You can do them on different days in the week or you can alternate weeks with your training. We're going to talk about the pros and cons of each approach. Some are more popular than others, but the answers may surprise you. Let's get into it. You know, you've talked about this study a lot probably in the last, like, I don't know, a year or so. is it a relatively new study when they did the alternating or is it is it yes it was yeah and there's a reason for so the study you're referring to is where they took um athletes who were both training for endurance and strength and they had them trained for strength in one week and then the following week for endurance and the following for so it's alternating weeks yeah which is a very odd or uncommon counterintuitive it is it's an uncommon way to program a workout any idea of the history

on the theory behind that. Like who came up with that? Like up until that study, I mean, hindsight is 2020, right? So we know now it's like it's logical. Okay, I could see how that makes sense. But to think of that, I wouldn't have thought of that. No, I think the reason why that was never,

because it's got cons to it as well. So you're referring to the study that showed that they got better muscle and strength gains and endurance gains trained that way. Okay. but there's some disadvantages to it. And there's a reason why people often don't train that way. And it's because when we look at the studies, when we look at strength and conditioning coaches,

when we look at how training is applied, when you're looking for both endurance and strength, it's almost always applied to athletes, almost always. It's almost always for sport. And I would say one of the big cons of that is when you're training for sport, not a good idea to take a week off from practicing your sport. And oftentimes sport involves lots of endurance. So if you were to apply this approach of a strength training week and endurance week, a strength training week, it's like if you played soccer, what does that mean you play soccer every other week?

That makes sense because what this doesn't take an account for is the diminished in skill. That's right. That's 100%. That makes sense. And we know we're very aware of the power of. Oh, yeah. I mean, you think of some of the great Steph Curry as a shooter. I think he does like a thousand shots a day or something.

Yep. Like, that's part of what's made him great is that is the muscle memory of that. He's, him taking a half-court shot as like one of us walking, right? Because he's done. Or breathing. Yeah, he's done it at that high of volume. You take a week off every other week and you're just, you're not going to get that nowhere near that kind of volume.

Yeah, because what the study looked at was just output. Right, right. Like strength and endurance output. That makes more sense to me. That's right. So let's go to the first one and then we'll get back to this one, which this is more, a common approach for both endurance and strength is to do them in the same workout. Okay.

And typically it's broken up. Typically, it's like your conditioning and your skill and then followed up by strength training. It's typically what you'll see. I think the pros with this is it allows for like frequent practice of a skill. So if I'm working out or training or practicing five days a week and I'm, and I'm playing a sport, the most important aspect, definitely being strong, definitely having endurance, definitely being conditioned is important. But there's nothing more important than your ability to perform the skill of the sport, right? Like, you could take an out of shape soccer player

who's got excellent skill. And then you could take someone with incredible endurance. And the out of shape soccer player is going to just, he's going to crush them at a soccer game. I remember once years ago, I used to manage, this is back when racquetball was real popular. You guys remember that back in the gyms and every gym had him in every gym yeah so this was the original hillsdale club before they had moved over the 24 fitness one and they had rackaball courts and there was this one guy in there i don't know what his actual name i don't know if this is his actual name i don't know if you ever knew mansor was what was his name i don't if you ever saw anyway he was this french dude old guy and he would play everybody and he had general fitness but he wasn't the most fit like he was an

older guy he was probably in his late 50s and he would smoke every young fitness high energy dude in there because he barely moved. He placed the ball wherever. His skill was so good. He made everybody else running around while he sat almost in the same spot. And I used to watch him. I'd be like, man, no wonder he's not tired. He's like barely having to move while he's making you run all over the.

And so just an example of incredible skill. You could apply this to almost any sport. You know, you could have incredible strength power, you know, great physical attributes. And you're just not going to throw baseball as far as someone who knows that to throw baseball really well. So I think the value of doing it in the same workout is when you want to get really good at a particular skill, when the skill is important to you, whether it's because you play sports or because you want to do the skill really well, you want to run really well, you want to swim

really well, you want to bike really well, or here's the other side of it, you love practicing those things. I can see that this would be a great way. You're constantly reiterating that. That's right. It's always top of mind. So, yeah, if you're able to apply that, again, you're able to apply that, again, you're. again, like on a more frequent level,

like you're going to maintain the skill, but also kind of build. But, you know, then you get into the problem of volume and everything at once, which, you know, is a downside. There's so many great examples of what you brought up with that guy.

And I remember as a young kid with lots of energy, playing pickup basketball. Yeah. And there was always the fat out of shape like dad. Yep. You know? With goggles.

Yeah, yeah. Just couldn't even barely get up and down the court, but scoring, passing. Yeah. setting screens, blocking, I mean, just the fundamentals. Like his skill of, he probably played his whole life. Also was slimy and you didn't want to get too close. Yeah, yeah.

I knew a guy just like that. And you just, it was always, it was always kind of comical to, to see, you know, this old guy, you know, play ball with you. And you just, in your, in your head as a young kid, so much better than this guy, you know what I'm saying? And just, but just, you know, making all the right passes, you know what I'm saying? just a goofy-looking little layup, you know what I'm saying? But it's just like just shows someone who has the skill of playing because he's played for 30 years of his life, you know, even though he's not the most conditioned and in shape.

Totally. This is also, and I don't want to ever discredit this, because I think one of the most important things we need to consider for longevity, I don't mean injury-wise, I mean just consistency, is if you love something, then do that thing. Like, if you really love playing basketball or running or swimming, and you're like, look, I'm doing it for. for fitness, but I also love it. Taking a whole week off from it might not be a good idea,

even if it's, you know, and we'll get to this point. Maybe it's better for endurance, but you love it so much. Like, keep doing it. Do it all the time. And then the challenge, like what you said, Justin, is how do we gauge the volume and the intensity? I think it's really important to understand when you're doing everything in the same workout, the thing that's most important to you is where you place most of the energy. Everything else is a supporting, is supporting. You have to have a priority in that. Yes. What you don't do is practice your skill and that's part of your workout and then go beat yourself up lifting weight. Well, no, the example, a great example of this, we talked about our good friend, Corey Schlesinger.

Remember when he used to train, he used to work for the Sons? And in fact, I think there was a big article about it or they made TV on how they do those little little micro workouts, right? He's got like like strength condition coach a year. Yeah, yeah. They would play one or two lifts. Yeah, exactly. They would play a game and then they would still lift.

But the way they were lifting was like these little 15 minute micro workouts at moderate intensity. It was to support. It wasn't like they're in there hitting PRs and big back squats right after a game. It was like it was designed to get these little micro workouts. This is also good for somebody who's learning a new skill. So if you're listening right now and you're like, look, I don't, you know, I'm not necessarily an athlete, but I do want to learn how to run. Running is a very, is a skill. You're better off practicing it often than taking it than trying to do it every other week.

and so developing a skill, this is also an advantage. Again, I'm going to say this again. The challenge is managing volume and intensity. Most of your energy goes towards the skill you're trying to build with this particular scenario. And secondary, big secondary is everything else. Now, if your skill is the strength training, well, then the secondary will be the skill that you're trying to build.

But I don't think this is necessarily the best approach for that. I think this is a really good approach for athletes, people trying to develop a skill or people who just love doing that part of the work. And just kind of, yeah, the strength training, you know, it actually complements it versus like it's more of the priority because I would probably not, you know, choose that as a protocol. 100%. The other option is the different days. This is pretty common, right?

Where it's like, you know, this day I run or I do my sport, this day I strength train. Yeah. This day I do my sport. This day I strength train. this allows you, in my opinion, to better gauge intensity and volume. I think the intention's way better with this because now you could really focus on that priority. Yeah, this is what I'm doing all day and you can manage yourself energy system-wise a lot more appropriately. Well, this is how most college and professional athletes do stuff.

Yeah. Right. And the strength conditioning coach is communicating to the endurance and skill coaches. And it's just like, hey, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, we're in the weight room, Tuesday. a third or the rest of the week we're doing skills training or running through plays and stuff like that

and they're communicating with each other on the volume and intensity of each of the things they're doing and like laying off that. I think that's the most important thing when you're doing different days is recognizing the level of intensity

that you're applying to the opposite things that you're going after. So for example, if Monday your strength training and then Tuesday you're going to do your endurance training, you also need to be very mindful of the level of intensity

of those two days because they're back to back. 100%. We don't want to to go all out intensity on our weight training and then go all out on our, you know, skills or endurance training on Tuesday back to back like that because they're going to hinder each other when they're, you got to make your choice. You got to make your choice, which is more important. I had, there's obviously many, many times in my training career as a coach or trainer where I

really learned a lot. And I would say, to be more clear, I was so super wrong. And I learned finally to do it the right way. And one of them was when I finally got clients that were competitive, Iron Man, half my Iron Man, Iron Man, or Triathletes. So these were like legit athletes. You know, they were in their 30s. High volume of training. Lots of, I mean, crazy. Crazy amounts of volume.

Very high performing individuals. It wasn't just like, they actually took it seriously. Okay. And then they hired me for the strength training component. And their performance declined because my approach, I thought I was doing the right approach. But their performance on their runs and their cycle. and their swims would decrease because of how we applied strength training. And you were just doing too much.

Probably what it was. And I thought it was like not that much. I had to scale it down to the point where the average person that I trained, this wasn't even up close to a race. When it got close to a race, we didn't do anything. We just did a little correctional exercise mobility. We stopped the strength training. But off season, it was once a week.

Once a week. And it was like three lifts. You know what? Now that, okay. So, and this is how I would, if I'm a coach who trains by the hour, obviously still probably do this. But knowing what you know, if it was your kid,

you would probably do more micro workouts. 100%. Right? One lift. Yes. So that's the difference. So that's also the challenge too. It's like most coaches and trainers work by the hour.

And so you have an athlete like you're describing right now. You have that structure. We all learn probably the exact same way, doing it the wrong way first, realizing like, oh my God, I barely need to be lifting weights to this person. We all were hired by the hour. And so, okay, logically,

then one day a week, I'm training this person in a full-bid, and it's not even going to be like a crazy intense one hour, or it's going to be like a full body and it's going to be kind of moderate intensity. Dude, it was three, it literally looked like this. It was three lifts, long-ass rest periods, and moderate intensity, to the point where, and this is how we got there. I remember one person in particular, I started with them what I thought was appropriate, which was too much, and I'd have them report back to me, how do you feel on your runs and your cycles? Ah, I just don't feel as good. Or they'd start to develop a little nagging pain, even though. though I was doing things that I thought would help with that kind of stuff.

So I'd scale it back, scale it back, scale it back. And then finally, I scaled it back so much that they would actually say to me, like, I don't, like, are we really doing anything? And I'd say, let me know how you're, how you perform with your other training. And then they'd come back to me and say, I'm faster. I'm stronger. I'm like, okay, this is the right amount, even though most of our session is me and you sitting down and me stretching you in between these long recipes.

Oh, yeah, I had cyclists like this. same thing. And it's like, yeah, you one day a week. Like, and even the strength train itself kept shrinking the amount of volume. It was like, because you had to keep that feedback going. You had to keep communicating. That's right. Now, you could flip this.

You could be someone who says, I am way more interested in the strength and muscle. I like endurance. I want it. Right. But I'm way more interested. You just flip the script in. Yeah. So then what it looks like is three days a week of strength training, two days a week of

strength training, one day a week of this high intensity kind of or challenging endurance type of. train. So you just flip the script there. And by the way, people tend to overdo that, right? So what they typically do is they, this is, I think, the most common mistake that we, why we hear people. And also, we also get this rap of like, we're anti-running is that we'll get a caller who really wants to body comp, wants to build the physique. That's their number one thing. But they also love to run. And so they're always asking us like, you know, how many miles and how often. And it's just like, listen, run once, once a week or, you know, do a one mile, one mile run after a workout, like a very small

short bout or one, one like long run and that's it a week. That's plenty for you to kind of keep your endurance up and be okay, but focus on that. But they always want to do two, three days of these like hour long runs and with a three day a week type of muscle building routine and it's just counterproductive. Well, you're going to, you're both are going to be hindered. You're not going to be a great runner. And on top of that, you're not going to build muscle like you want to build muscle. But one of the benefits of this kind of training is I can focus entirely in the workout

on perfecting what I'm doing. So I don't have any exhaustion from previous workout. I can focus on my technique with my strength training because it's just strength training that day. So there's some benefit to it. It's also beneficial if you have a coach because you're going to have a coach who's good at one or the other. Rarely do you find a coach who's good at all of it. So you may have a running coach. Well, that's the day that I run. And then I got my person that does strength training. Well, that's when I'm meeting with them. And then we have the alternate weeks. And And this is the least commonly used. What this is good for, so alternate weeks literally looks like this.

This week I'm strength training, not doing anything else. And then the following week, I'm doing my endurance training. And I'm not doing anything else. And I just continue to alternate. Now what this is really good at is developing the physical attributes. Yeah. Strength and endurance. Muscle and stamina.

Minimize muscle loss that comes from the endurance training. Gradually progressing both. Just very gradually. That's right. This is not for people who don't have the skill of running to do it. this is not for people who need to learn how to strength train. This is for people like, I want to be strong and I want to have endurance. I like doing both.

What's the best way to apply this? And I like them both. I'd say this is also not for the competitive athlete. No, definitely not. So this is something that this is somebody who, maybe a weekend warrior, maybe somebody who likes to do sport or stay in shape for sport. But you're not trying to progress. You're not trying to get to the collegiate level and then the professional level.

That you don't want to be back to your skills point. skills are so important when you're trying to continue to get better. I think of like Justin for something like this. Like Justin's, he's already got the skills of a lot of different things. He does strength training. Like you to Uncle Rico? No. Lost me throw this over mountains.

He played college. He didn't just stop at high school. But, you know, Justin genuinely values all of them. Yes. Yes. Like, whereas I, endurance for me, it's like I do it reluctantly. Justin likes it. He also likes strength training.

So he enjoys it so much. He wants both. I could see someone like Justin. It's interesting. Yeah, it totally would fit more of my protocol. I tend to go in spurts of endurance. I'll do like, you know, two to three months where I'm just focused on that.

I'll come back to strength training as the main priority. But, and two, this is another one that we didn't list. But like, I've helped to convince some of my clients that were athletes or we're cyclists or we're, you know, to have like two months devoted. to just strength training as like an off season. Like we're building the body back up. We'll get back to the endurance training. But again, too, the loss of skill,

we're going to have to make that up. And so it is a trade off. You know what? That brings up an interesting point to add to this discussion is what Justin is saying. And I don't know if I would, I might do it the way Justin does it based off what. Because here's the thing. He doesn't, he can sacrifice not really lifting weights to build muscle for a month. Right.

one of the benefits that we all have is that we've been building muscle for a very long time. It's very similar to what I experienced when I intentionally lost all that weight. And it's like you can get muscle back so quick. And he has such a good base for strength that even if he decreases strength by 20% because he's been training endurance for a whole month, who cares? It makes more sense for somebody who's probably still on the rise of building both. I can see somebody who just loves them both and just wants to just, do it for the rest of their life.

I think this is a great way to manage intensity, manage volume, not have to be so tricky about when I do each type of deal. I can totally get into the strength training mindset, but then, hey, I miss my endurance stuff. Oh, no problem. That's next week. And I feel

like this is a really good long-term approach for someone who kind of wants all the attributes. They like the endurance. They like the strength. They want to minimize the hybrid type individual. Totally. It wants to feel like they're constantly in shape, but also still strong. So we've had it, and it's cool about this is we've had a couple callers who have called in who fell in this category. These are people that like them both. They've been

working out for a while. Like, look, I like both. How do I do this? And I say, hey, experiment with this and come back to us. We've had people come back 90 days later and say it's the weirdest thing. I both got stronger and got faster. Yeah. With my endurance. There's something to it for sure. Which is really, really interesting. Anyway, speaking to you, Justin, I got to ask you because you're not a huge supplement taker. Yeah. But you've been taking the proscriptions methyl in blue pretty consistently.

Yeah. I want to know your experience on. I tend to go like one thing is like a focus or maybe two at the most but like

with the methylin blue I've been very consistent with that over the last I would say like two months so far and I found my dose and so it's like that's the other part of it for me is to really like figure out okay how this is affecting me

my energy levels like so it's two from basically half of the the cube Oh, shit, I was doing a full one. So. It was too hard, bro. All the way in and they back off.

Maybe I don't need that much. I don't know that it's interesting because I definitely know it affects people like completely different. Like I had Courtney using it and she's barely notices any effects and she's done like the full dust and still not much. For me, I feel it like dramatically. It's something to like my caffeine levels I can kind of taper down a bit. and then I'm like pretty consistently energetic all day when I'm taking it. Yeah, Jessica's had a good experience with it. So she'll sometimes get like an energy crash in the afternoon.

And the problem with that is like if it's 3 o'clock, 4 o'clock even, you get an energy crash. Like you can't have a lot of people just, if they have caffeine at that time, it'll affect your sleep. And so she's like, what do what do I do? So I've been giving her one or two of the little squares of the methyl in blue. And you could take it at 3 and sleep. Now you don't want to take it right before bed But you can definitely take it in the afternoon And then not have this negative

Well I remember when we What was the guy's name? The owner? The founder. Oh gosh. Scott, Thank you. Thank you.

When Scott was on. Such a great guy by the love. His stack that he, he had me taking was methlin blue in the daytime And then taking the calm and then the sleep before bed. Before bed. And I forgot why he said that. He said metholin blue in the morning. He will actually help sleep later too.

Yeah, that's what he said. That was like my sleep stack. So my sleep stack included the methyl in blue. And I couldn't remember why that played into that. Because typically it's more like mental clarity. Yeah, it's a bit of an upper. Right. It's not like a pre-bed supplement.

I forgot what he said was going on. I don't remember. On a neurological level of what was happening early on in the day to take it and then later on. Well, you know what I felt the most was like, I think it was because I was doing a lot more constant like manual labor and stuff around the house. And I'm like, you know, like a lot more kind of activity overall throughout the day, a lot more steps. Like, and I was like, when I would take the methylmptu, it was a lot more of a boost than when I wasn't. I would, I would bonk heart, you know, when I wasn't using it. No, it boosts, it boosts dopamine.

And so it gives you a little bit of that drive. You know, since you brought up transcriptions, I should share too, because I had, so I had been sharing a lot on my, my Instagram stories, my sleep scores. Part of why I was that I had, that's what I had done. I took Scott's stack for me and was improving my sleep. And so when you saw me sharing all those great scores, that was me experimenting with that. So I saw great results from that. So my sleep has been really, really good.

And that stuff is amazing. All right, I just got to talk about something real sad. It's very, very sad for my people. For your people. The elect, the EV for our English. Can you pull up a picture of it, Doug? I just want Justin to look at this, the ugliest thing you represent.

Ferrari, like, blasphemy. My family, my cousins, I mean, Italy is in a state of this, like despair. Okay. First, we didn't make it to the World Cup.

Again. The stock dropped big time. Okay. That's it right there. They've always been known for beautiful cars, dude. That's like,

like what are you doing? Yeah. They hired the iPod guy. They hired the iPod guy to design the inside. It would be like, yes, this is an Apple engineer,

I think. This would be like, like, like, like, like, A famous Italian chef making a hot dog. Like, what are you doing? Why would you do that? Yeah, Chef Boyer D.

Look at this car, bro. That's a Ferrari right there. You know what that looks like? An iPhone on wheels. Yeah. Look at the interior. The interior is the, it's horrible. Dude.

It's so ugly. It is not Ferrari. That's horrible, man. In fact, I think, look at that car. It's like a painted Prius hybrid. Yeah, it is, it was designed by a former Apple chief designer, Sir Johnny Ivy. Yeah, I've, Doug, put, put, oh, he's famous. Look, look up the interior.

I want, I want Justin, look at the interior. Everything about it. Dude, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, he goes, he goes, he goes, first, we don't make it to the World Cup again, which is devastating. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, and then we make this car. He's like, what is happening to last row? It looks terrible.

No, yeah. No, it's like it's, you got, okay, that one right on the right. You look at the interior. Look at that bro. That's a Ferrari. Torrible. What is going on? It doesn't even look like a Ferrari.

Yeah. No, it's horrible. It literally looks like Apple made a car. They start serving pineapple on the pizzas over there. I mean, I've been telling you guys, I've been telling you guys this for the last, the last couple years. So obviously, I follow all this stuff. Didn't their stock, as far as have Star, are they public?

Yeah, yeah. Didn't their stock plummet? Yeah, they've been on, they've been on a downward spiral for the last two, two, three years now. It's been ever since they introduced all these hybrid, futuristic looking cars. This is not their first one. So they had already released a car before this that was, that was all electric. And then all their... Oh, by the way, that ugly car, you saw, $600,000.

Just let me throw that out there. $600,000. Yeah. And you have to own other Ferraris to buy it. Yeah, no, it'll tank. It'll tank. All the, every, all the cars that have been released by Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, all the ones that, yeah, see, they've been on a downward trend for all.

while now. I mean, a decent buy because they'll turn around. It'll turn around. They already listened to, so the SF90 came out. They had, so they first started doing this about two years ago. Maybe three now, actually. All the steering wheel,

they got rid of, they got rid of the actual like push button start and well, the first got rid of the key, then it became a push. And now it's just a digital screen that you touch with your finger. Turn it on. And nobody wants that. And then same thing with all like you're like, you're driving a You want buttons.

Yeah, you want... Or in knots. You have analog. You want analog. Like, nobody wants, like... I remember when, uh, I remember when Rangerover did this years back, uh, it was my biggest knock on that transition when they went through this. There was, there was nothing that pisses me off more when I'm trying to drive and change

the AC with a digital button. Yeah, because you got to look at it. Yeah, you know, look at it. And then you miss and, you know, you're driving over a bump and you miss a little bit. It's like, you want to grab a knob and just turn a knob. You don't want to have to look. And so a lot of these cars made that mistake. stake and even more so on a high performance car.

It's one thing for Rangerover to do. It's a whole other thing for a, you know, a sports car like a, you know, Ferrari. And it's $600,000. Let me ask you this, Adam, because I don't typically like, ask your investment advice, especially not on stock. But for cars, you seem to be on point. Do you think that this car that could potentially go up in value because it's the ugliest Ferrari ever made?

No, no, definitely not. You don't think it could happen in the future. What it's doing, what it's doing, what it's doing, and this is a thing. is what I, this is why I was pushing Doug so hard while back and to get, you want to know what he would have made on the ones I've been begging him to buy for two years now? Yeah, he would have made about 150, 200 grand on a lot. Wow. And so what I, and I knew this was all coming down the pipe. And so what it's doing is everybody who is still a, a lover of, or an enthusiast of Ferrari or Lamer, any of these, is all the older ones, which are no longer made are rising in, or skyrocketing

in value. Everyone's going back to the older car. Nobody wants all this, all this futuristic shit in their sports car. This is why a manual, a manual version of any model is worth 50 to 100,000 more than just to the same Ferraris. Yeah, but one with stick ship. One with a stick ship is 50 grand to 100 grand more just for being. It's funny. Any car personally, no. That's like, they wanted a manual, like transmission.

Like, they're looking for like old features. None of this. So what it is, and I've had the opportunity to drive. drive a lot of older stuff, newer stuff, is you lose the feeling of the experience, the excitement of the whole process. It's gotten so, and there's a point, and I believe there's middle ground there. Like, I'm a big fan of like, I do like that we, like, traction control. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You get 400 horsepower in a muscle car. It's dangerous. Oh, very, very. It's, you know, you can have a 600, 700 horsepower, modern car, not dangerous. Right. You get a muscle car, 300 horsepower. Yeah. And you don't know what you're doing.

That's exactly right. That's exactly right. So there's certain things that I think was like modern. And what's cool is like some like the little bit older Ferraris, right? You can, you can, I can control that, right? So I can, on mine, I can control 15 degree play. It gives me. I can control 50 degree play.

But the older, older ones all off. Nothing. You know what I'm saying? Right. And then newer ones is just, it's like the steering is all, you don't feel like you're connected to the road. You know, it's so responsive, you know, and it's so good. that you also don't feel the road. And so it loses some of its feel and viable.

And so what it's doing, so it'll sell for 600. And by the way, the only way they'll sell this, talking to like one of my buddies who's a dealer at Ferrari. And he's like, imagine my, how I have to pitch this thing. I said, you only have one pitch, which is what they already do, which is, hey, listen, I know this is a piece of shit. And it's going to. And it's going to leave.

It's a piece of shit. It's a piece of shit. And it's going to lose you $300,000 as soon as I sell. it to you. But if you buy this, I guarantee I'll get you the one of 500 speciality that comes out. So buy this to get the other one. That's exactly what they already do. That's the game. Wow. Is that when you're in with a dealership with that, you have to buy seven, eight of them. Because they're so hard to get. Yes, because there's only 500 made of the speciali and everybody in the world wants one. Okay, that's the best sales pitch I've ever heard of my life. That's the only sales pitch. That's the only one.

Because anything else is full of shit. And anybody, anybody who's an enthusiast knows, like, that's what's going to happen. And that's how they will still sell them. They will still sell them because they'll use it as leverage. It's not just ugly for a Ferrari. It's ugly. Yeah. Yeah.

A Tesla looks better than that. It does. Yeah. And it's way cheaper. And that's $600,000? That's crazy. What are they done? I think what happened is...

I'm so sad for it. Well, I think what happened is because we're communicating this in real time. But these decisions were made two, three years ago when everybody told you that every car is going to be electric. Yeah, all the laws are going to be electric. Yeah. All the laws are. coming out saying that like all these brands had to be all electric by a certain year.

I mean, so there was a lot of companies that made these commitments. You come out with a coal powered card, Justin. Just to go the other direction. Every once in a while, you still see those guys that have converted their diesels to those diesel stacks out the back. They turn it out on the crowd. That's so douchy. With the other extreme. How do they do that?

What's coming out of that? Is it just that just mixes? Particulates. Yeah. Like here, let me just. I don't know how they don't get pulled over right away for it. You see them. When you see them, they're just, I mean, this is like a black cloud of smoke.

It is just straight black. I don't know. It looks like it's running cold. I feel like the two are that way. Both dushy. Yes, dude. It's like the two extremes. You're both dushy.

Super wild, though, what's happening and watching all that. I know. It's just, it's funny to me to see my family and all the, like, people who are like, you know, like, because Ferrari is. Well, you also have a lot of car enthusiasts in your family. I do. And Ferrari is a very... How depressed are a lot of your family. Everybody's embarrassed.

It's the right word. So, uh, Italian culture, it has so much pride in certain things. Sure. Like food and cars. Fashion. Well, Ferrari has to be one of the most... Ferrari is, it's Italy, dude. It would be like, it would be like a bald eagle for America.

You know what I mean? If like, if bald eagles... Suddenly turn into a pigeon. Americans would be crying. You know what happened? No way. I kick these things. Or we got...

changed it to a different bird. Like, oh, we're going to move away from this bald eagle thing. We're going to be a pigeon now. The majestic, yeah. Trash-eaten pigeon. It's going to be the blue jacket. We're going to be the blue jacket. Anyway, all right, I'm going to change direction.

So there's lots of articles that are floating around right now going viral on the use of GLP, you know, like terseptide, of course, somaglutide. The new one that just, they just came out with the phase three trial for Reda-Trutide, which is like it's even better than the other ones in terms of. of weight loss. And there's all this like speculation that's coming out. So I'll read to you guys. Bill Maher.

This is my whole interview with Shalene Johnson. Was it? All she wanted to talk to me on. Okay. So Bill Maher had somebody on his show that talked that, where they talked about this. And there's some, I'm going to pull it up. There's some interesting things about what people are thinking that these GLP's are potentially causing.

So, and I would love, I'm trying to find my notes. Here they are. I would love your guys's speculation. on this because this is a there's a I'll just I'll just read to you what this what this says here. So this is on Bill Maher and he said that, uh, or this person that was on the show said that CEOs are worried or concerned about employees on OZempic because they don't, they're seeing that they're losing their motivation. They don't want to work as hard.

No shit. Okay. Hold on. You guys already know the answer. Yeah. They're nourished. There's other people that are like, and there's people speculate. It takes away your desire for pleasure.

Yeah. So now, and people are reporting. Less desire for sex. For sex. Less desire to do things that they normally enjoyed. And they're blaming the GLP because we also see what GLP use is a lowered, it seems to have a positive impact on habitual impulsive behaviors, like smoking and drinking. I mean, they're all hedonistic, dopamine-driven responses that you're looking for.

Now, what they're trying to connect is they're saying, okay, if it's reducing your desire for cigarettes and alcohol or hedonistic foods, then maybe the fear is you're just not going to like things as much, period. And you'll be more depressed or whatever. And so they're trying to connect the two. And so I think, and I'll say this now, I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. I don't think that's the connection. Here's what's happening, everybody.

People are under-eating like crazy. That's it. Your low-cal, I mean, just going through that process where you're, like, in a deficit for a long period of time. You will not, you'll have no energy, you'll be depressed, and you won't want to have sex. You lose you to be libido. I wish that maybe somebody who's like savvy go through and make a compilation of all the conversations you guys had with me during that whole experiment. Because I remember sharing this with you going like, there's times when I would come home and I had to make a decision. Like, do I go get my little 15 minute workout in or do I help my wife and kid around the house for the next four hours?

I had to choose. because I was so just. I had no energy, desire to get up and do anything. You're underfed. Yeah, and it's in your malnutrition, you're underfed. And so, yeah, you lose a lot of the desire

to do anything. And you had to have that. Now, granted, I went through it, trying to go through it the way I thought everybody else would. You know, if I were to go do it now, which I've considered this too, I've considered running it back again

with my trainer brain. Like, now it happens when I make myself eat protein even when I don't want to. I take a lower, just the right dose of it to curb some of the appetite. Like, watch me get shredded. Watch me be fine. Watch all those things like that. But it's like, nobody's, like, very few people are taking like that. A lot of discipline you're thrown in there.

In my strong opinion, because there's another study. There was a study that was published in the lanclet of psychiatry, which found that people on GLP1, GOP1 had lower risks of depression, anxiety and substance used to. disorders and other psychiatric outcomes. Over 95,000 people actually did better. They, besides weight loss and stuff like that, better sleep, better mobility. So they felt better. But why is it that some people are reporting or employers are reporting or they're saying,

hey, I have less desire to do everything in life. They're undernourished. Under calorie. I'm going to tell you this right now. Don't give anybody a gelping. Put them on 900 calories a day. Yeah. And at some point, probably within a month or two.

They'll report all those same things back. Oh, they're going to feel. motivated to work. Don't really feel like having sex. Don't want to get up and help my wife around the house. Depressed. Yes. Like, yeah.

Yeah, you're under eating like crazy. No shit. Because the truth is, these GLP's, if they do anything in combination with not eating too little and some proper strength. You know what I like to see. Probably improves all those things. You know what I'd like to see.

Yeah. Okay. Because I think part of what's happening right now, too, is we're lumping in a huge percentage of people that have no business even taking it. Yes. And don't have a hundred pounds. of energy stored and fat on their body. I need to lose 15 pounds. Yes. I need to lose 15 pounds and I'm taking this. You know what I'm saying? And they're taking it. And so I actually think it's hurting and making those people have more negative effects than the obese person who already feels lethargic, who already feels tired, who already feels depressed, who already feels unmotivated. And now they're bringing this weight off. And they're actually feeling the opposite. They're actually feeling, wow, I feel more energetic. I can do more because they've been living in that place for so long.

versus the average person is like, oh, I need a shred. I want to lose a little 15 pounds. Let me take a Zimp. It crashes their appetite to 900. And now they're filling the opposite. And this is a perfect example of how we skew or distort success. Why are people staying on these things if they feel so terrible? I'll tell you why.

They see the scale going down. The scale going down is how they're judging how successful they are. Meanwhile, libido's gone, low motivation, low energy. But they're like, hey, I'm losing weight. Let's keep going. I've seen this. I've seen this in gyms before GLP's. I've seen this so many times with people where they're just,

I'm looking at them and we're talking. I'm like, you feel, I'm thinking in my head like, you feel terrible, but you're telling me you're successful because you keep losing weight on the scale. But I know you're losing muscle and I know you're under eating. And that's why you're having all these issues.

And you're blaming other things. Look, I'll make another, I'll use another example. Bodybuilders who are on enough hormones to make you feel libido, no matter what, will have no libido pre-contest. Yeah, it was me.

Yeah, you've experienced them. Oh, yeah, the last... Why, because you're starving. Yeah, yeah, the last 10 to 14 days of every show, you know, I'd lose my sex drive completely. And taking, you know, steroids, testosterone. Yeah, yeah. But it was just, but it had more to do with that. It was the, I'm just, I've been depleted and that your body has no desire to do those things.

It's trying to survive. That's right. Last thing you's doing is extracurricular activity. That's trying to do that. That sounds like work. And you're like, I can hardly do anything. The other part, I want to do. want to address is that because you see these criticisms, and I get the criticisms, they're true,

but the way they're positioning them is not 100% accurate. They're like, what happens when you get off the GLP? It's like, well, same thing that happens when you get off your Stanton or you get off any other medication. Like everything goes back. Yeah. So the way it was before. So now I, there are ways to set yourself up, and I believe very strongly we've seen this with our clients here, with our coaches and trainers, of setting yourself up for a higher degree of success coming off. Yeah. But it is not, I went on. ate less and then just went off of it because then it'll go back. I'm glad you said that because I do want to point that out because it does sound like

if you've listened to the show long enough, like maybe we're going one direction and then changing our mind about something like that. And I definitely have openly said that I've definitely changed my opinion on where I think it's going to be a net positive. I think it's going to be a net negative now because too many people are doing it. But we've seen huge success with it with our coaches. Yes. With our coaches that have, we have a lot of people that are on.

GLP-1s that are getting coached by our trainers, but our trainers are taking them through reverse diets and they're teaching them how to do, or they're asking their doctors to reduce doses if it's crashing the appetite too much. And so I think with the proper, and then we're also teaching people to journal, like, why were you, you know,

when you would normally go eat that thing, what were you going through, what was happening? Like, so there's, where there's more work to be done than just take this GLP1 and lose the weight, it's like, you were using food, if you were somebody who is caring, 30, 100 plus pounds overweight for a long period of time, you are using food to medicate.

Okay? And so you have to ask yourself, what was I medicating? And also, when you medicate with something, it's because it works to an extent, even though the side effects may be terrible. How do I replace this? That's right. Because you can't just take something off. I mean, you can, but your odds of success with that are very, very low.

What do I replace this with that can help me feel better, you know, type of deal? You know, talking about medication. and no energy. So that, dude, my, my house got hit with the norovirus. Literally on Wednesday night. So we all left here Wednesday, Wednesday and Wednesday night. It was Max first. Yeah, Max first.

He had his last day of school on Wednesday. So I'm assuming picked it up from school. Yeah. No signs until literally the middle of the night. He was, we were up in Reno and we were staying up with my sister. And he was. he was sleeping with my sister and Katrina and I were in another room and he comes walking into our room at like two in the morning or something like that and he comes around on my side, Daddy,

I got bad news. And I'm like, what's wrong, buddy? He's like, I threw up. And I'm like, are you okay? Yeah, I'm okay. I said, did you make it to toilet? Not all of it. I'm like, oh, great.

So we get up to go clean up to mess and do our thing. And then Katrina takes him to the other room just to check, keep stayed by him. And then I wake up in the morning and she's been up all night. She's like, he was just vomiting. Vominy, diarrhea, just all this just came on like full on. Poor kid. Yeah, it was really, it was so bad that. So he couldn't hold fluid down.

Couldn't hold anything. That's terrible. I mean, we couldn't, we couldn't even, we were trying to tablespoon, uh, water to him. And he was just, I mean, you give him a little bit. And then within 15, 30 minutes, he was thrown up again. And so he couldn't. So we had to take him to urgent care. Urgent care was like, now, was it because.

you saw dehydration symptoms in it? Well, because two days had gone by and the kid, or a day and a half had gone by, and he couldn't even hold a tablespoon of water down. You know? And so we're like, this is really bad. Like if, food's expected, but like not even be able to hold water. No, no, that's dangerous. Yeah, not even able to hold water down and,

and vomiting and tiring that much, you know, so we're like, we took him in urgent care. And urgent care was like, I think you need to take him to the hospital. I think he's going to get worse. And so Katrina and I were like, man, I don't want to take him to hospital. Because taking a kid who is six years old, which all they're going to do is they're going to hydrate. They're going to put an IV in them. Yeah.

That can be traumatic as shit. Yeah, the whole thing. Yeah. And he's going, Daddy, I don't want to go to the hospital. I don't want to go to the hospital. And I'm like, well, we got to drink water, dude. You've got to be able to drink water. You have to, and so I'm like coaching him through it.

And you can see him just doing everything he can just to get it. And we would start to get some tablespoons of water in every like 15, 20 minutes. That's what it was. And then I'm like, telling Katrina, I'm like, we're all the way up here in Reno. I'm like, and this is not looking good. And like, we're probably going to get sick in this. If it's nor a virus like the urgent care said, where it's super contagious. I'm like, it's going to hit all of us.

And then we're going to be stuck up here away from family, away from our doctors. I'm like, we got to get on the road and get back home. And she's like, there's no way I'm taking him like this. Like he can't even hold water for an hour. How are we going to drive four hours? And I'm like, well, as soon as he gives us a window like that, we just got to go. I said, and we had two cars. I'm like, well, I'll just leave one car.

We'll all go together. You lay in the back with him. So we were kind of going on that. Then my sister starts going. She started, and I'm like, honey, this is coming our way. And like, what are we going to do when it's all of us and we're stuck up here? And so we get on the road and, you know, for sure, not what she wanted to do. Did he make it the whole way without?

So he did. Oh, wow. He was so fatigued and drained. At this point, like Katrina is scared of death in the back seat because he's like, he has like so little energy, he's passing out. And she's trying to every 15 minutes give him a tablespoon of water because that's all we can give him. He can't drink. He drinks, he's throwing up right away. So it's like a tablespoon of water, teaspoon of water.

And, you know, he'd fall asleep because he's just so exhausted. You'd talk about it was so low calorie and depletion, right? And I'm like, looking at the river mirror as she's holding him back there. poor guy would be out, you know, and then like 15 minutes we go by and she wants it. And she'd be like, Matt, and she'd try and get to him to talk to him. And he was so out of it that he wasn't responsive. And so she'd be like shaking him. Yeah, she's freaking me out.

Should we go to the hospital? I'm like, honey, let's just get home. He hasn't thrown up. We're okay. We get there. That night. Same thing. You know, he's like so kind of out of it.

And seeing him that out of it. And my son doesn't cry. Like he's, I've told the story before. Like, we've always been so consistent with throwing up. that he'll throw up and, like, talk to you. Yeah, that doesn't upset him. Yeah. And so this is the first time I'd seen the negative effect of that

because we're so scared, but we also know he's just so chill. They're like, God, is he not telling us how bad he is? And he's really, really, like, on the edge right now. And that's what Katrina's wrestling with, like, he's not crying, you know, he's not saying he hurts or anything's bothering him. He's just kind of out of it, you know, like,

because he's so fatigued. So we get that night, I convince her to, you know, hang in there. Let's just make it through the night. And if he's still this bad tomorrow, I said, we'll go to the hospital, but I really don't want to take him to the hospital and get an IV because I just feel like that'll be more traumatic for him. And then one o'clock in the morning, she comes in the room just out of control, vomit. So now I got both of them. Oh. Just out of control vomiting and diarrhea and the whole thing and just messed up. And I'm like, boy, we're sick only a matter of time. I mean, I don't get sick, dude. I didn't get sick. I have.

No idea. Thank God, dude. Miracle. The only thing. When did her symptoms get? So when did he get better when she get better? So Wednesday night it hit. Thursday was the scary day.

Friday morning. So Thursday night was when she wanted to go to the hospital. Friday morning was when I saw a life come back into him. He wasn't good. Still dying. But he was going the other direction. And so it was like positive. We could hold sips of water down.

That was Friday. morning. She is by Friday morning, she's, I don't even see her. She's in the restaurant. I'm taking care of Max and just checking on her when I, like, can I get you anything? She's like, I can't even hold water. She couldn't even hold water down. She was, she was going downhill fast. And so that was on what I say, Friday. So Saturday, she was really bad. I think that's when I text you guys. My house is like where it's all bad. Max is starting to drink water. a lot. We're snacking on little foods. Poor guy looks like a skeleton. You know what I'm saying? He's lost so much weight at this at this point. Katrina is full in it though.

Like she's not she can't hold water down. She's but she's forcing it. She's forcing the pediolite. She's forcing that stuff. But then right back in the bathroom. Sunday, she's able to hold some water down. Can't eat food yet. Monday, I call it a, nurse to come and bring an IV to it. And that was like life change. Oh yeah. IV's life changing. You know, you see it within 15 minutes. It's crazy with, uh, because I've now, like we've done, we've talked on the show a lot about the benefits of NAD, glutathione and things like that. And, you know, when we've taken it, when we're healthy, it's not something I really feel. But when you're sick, I've now done it twice now coming off of like being from a flu and then when I was recovering from the

cratum and boy and getting an IV of like hydration glutathione NID. So is that what they gave her? They gave her electrolytes. Yeah, they gave her. They basically gave her, I forget what they call that stack or whatever. Oh, there's a name for it. There is. Not the Meyer cocktail.

No, no, no. I've ordered it for family member. Yeah, it's like an IV hydration something stack and it has B vitamins, all that in it. It was, the drip wasn't even finished. And you could just, like, I could see the life come back in her. and she's like, I'm hungry. And she was like ready to eat and she ate her first meal

and was able to hold it down. She's okay now? Yeah, she's like, today was the first day she woke up. She was still on the men yesterday. And then today she's like, she's, thank God, perfect timing, right? So he's back.

He's 100% by, he was, well, I wouldn't say 100%, but he's yesterday. I was like swimming with him and we were doing stuff. He's low energy. Norovirus is the worst. That's so.

It's the worst. and I have been together for 16 years. Obviously, we had that crazy Mexico scare where she went septic and almost died. That was the only time I'd ever seen her. So this is the second worst. This is the closest. And she said that. She's like, I asked her, I'm like, how do you feel?

I've never seen you this bad. She goes, this reminds me of Mexico. And I'm like, damn. I'm like, really? Like, I almost lost you in Mexico. Like, but I have not. She doesn't get sick that bad. She rarely gets sick.

And then even when she does get sick, it's like so mild. The last time that happened to us, because there's a lot of stomach bugs. but norovirus is violent. You can throw up and, you know, whatever, and you throw up like a few times. Norovirus feels like... It's like two poisons. Yes, but like it lasts like two days.

Yeah. It's brutal. And the last time we had it, Aurelius was an infant. It's been a long time. Which scared me because he's an infant, so I'm like, if he gets this, they'll kill a baby.

Jessica got it. I got it. And I just remember, like, holding my son, trying to put him to sleep, but having terrible stomach cramps and no energy and being like, and he was hard to put to sleep.

I'm like, please go to sleep, dude. I can't hold eat much longer, bro. Please go to sleep. It was a brutal three days. I mean, that's the best way to explain it is exactly that. So our first initial thought was that he caught food poisoning. Yeah. I was like, because we were like, he's not been around.

Because it's violent. Yeah. It's just like food. And just like what you said, because food poisoning normally is hard and heavy for 24 hours. And then done. And then you're kind of like on the mend after that. Noral virus is a good 40. And so when we saw that it had carried over 24, that's what made us go to urgent care

because we were like, he's, This is not food poisoning. You know, noroviruses are what shut down cruise ships. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If that happens on a cruise ship, they're like, quarantine. Shut everything now because that'll... It spreads like...

Oh, yeah. I mean, that even the nurses. I don't think it's airborne, right, Doug? Like, a petri dish. Is it not airborne? Like, I think it's only through contaminated surfaces. So it's not... Yeah, but it lives on the surface for like 72 hours.

You got to bleach things. Yes. That's the only thing that'll kill it. Yeah. And you're probably bleaching the hell out of here. I mean... I still understand the people. the appeal of freaking cruise ships.

It can become airborne, but it's not a typical airborne. Okay. Yeah, dude, I was like, I was like Lysol and bleach. Lysol and bleach. I was, I washed my hands.

Every time I was near them or touching anything that they touched, I was washing my hand. I swear by this, okay? And I looked up, I went down the rabbit hole of like how the, and it, for everything,

all the studies that I found, there's a lot of great research around sauna use and the cold punch for immune system. And I've told you guys before on this podcast, there's been stints when I'm really consistent with that and there's stints when I'm not.

And when I'm really consistent, I've had several times now where I'm always the first to get sick. We get in a room when you guys, like, I'm sick. It's guaranteed. The only time I've been able to survive those types of situations is one of that. And I have not missed a sauna and cold plunge day in like the last 45 days. since I got that since the plunge sonna came

I've been religiously every day doing that and plenty it's just so I love it so nice and convenient and I'm telling you right now I'm the only one who's been doing that and it's the only thing I can achieve it is wild I would I definitely think it had an impact it is wild though how sometimes you can be in a house

like my mom was like this we would all get sick my mom would get sick every time so that's normally Katrina oh she's the one that doesn't He's like, we could all be sick. Katrina be taking care of us, kissing on my son. And which is why she attempted to take care of him that way. She's kissing on him.

I'm saying, like, honey, if he's got the norm virus. And I'm like, so I was all nervous. But that's normally her. She can normally take care of all of us and not get sick. It's been so frustrating for 16 years I've seen her like that. So to see her go down, I was scared shit. Lesson my fucking got her. It's getting me.

You know who rarely ever get sick? Doug. And then he does. It's like 24 hours. I think I've seen Doug sick twice, maybe, like legit sick twice. And it's like a day. And Doug shows up and he's here at work. He's like, I'm a little under the weather.

I'm like, Doug, if you're a little under the weather, we're all going to die. I think you had your worst one, not that long ago. Yeah. So I didn't have COVID one time. Yeah, that was weak for you. Yeah. And then I, you know, one time I think it wasn't even a virus. I think it was because I had this humidifier.

my room and maybe there was some type of mold or something that got in there. And I woke up in the morning. I was just weak. And then, but I didn't throw away the humidifier. And then, like, a while later, I used it again. And I got the same symptoms. So I just threw the thing away. You know, Doug is, you know, Doug is Chuck Norris.

Since Chuck Norris died, Dubs Chuck Norris. Oh, yeah, he took on the screen. Norris. Probably. The new memes are going to be done. Dude, those memes where he's taking care of us when we're old? That's what's going to happen. I'm sorry to tell you, bro.

Those were so good. You know, a couple weeks ago, I went up and interviewed my mom and my uncle together. Well, you got your mom's genetic. You actually interviewed them? I interviewed that. Did you record it? I have a 45 minute recording of them. What a great idea, dude.

My mom's 93. My uncle's 95. They're going to both go up a year this year. They haven't had their birthdays yet. And they're like kids. They're like kids. So I'm hoping I have those genetics. You know what?

Fully independent. Full mobility. They both drive. You know what? My mom's gardening all the time. And my uncle, you know what his hobby is? What? Splitting wood.

Wow. And he's 95? He'll drive his truck around the neighborhood, find a down tree. He'll take his chainsaw out. He'll cut it up. He'll bring it home. And he'll put it in this little wood chipper he has. I mean, yeah, would,

Splitter. Splitter, he has. And he'll stack it up for the winner. That's his hobby. Yeah. That's awesome. You know, you, you've inspired me. I want to do something. It's such a good idea that you did that.

Like how I'm thinking right now, I'm just thinking about Katrina and I, because we're 16 years deep now. Like, how cool it would be like every decade that we do an interview of like our relationship, the things that we love. What are we doing right now? What's our, what's our son?

What's our, how old's our son? and what's he doing right now? Just to have like a every decade. You know what that's great for as your kids and your grandkids? That's what I mean. Like how cool is that? I mean,

I think it would be cool even for us. Like you had 20 years from now to look back like, oh, remember when we were, oh, that's right. I remember around that time that was happening. And that would be, and then like you said,

when Max is 30, 40 years old, he can listen to his parents. I think it's great. Every decade, talk about him as a child, talk about their marriage. Like, you know, what a good idea.

There's like a viral video that was like these graduating seniors that I think it was when they're in elementary school. Well, that's what inspired me to do Max. Yeah, they had mentioned all those like questions that they'd, then they played them the video once they graduated. Yes. Yeah. That's what inspired me.

So we're coming up on Max's second one for first grade now. And I have a list of questions I ask him. I'm going to ask him every single first day of school. Yeah. And then I'm going to compile it all together. So I'm doing that for him. And that inspired me to do that. super thoughtful. That's so thoughtful. I'm so bad at that. Jessica has it. She has a Bible that she writes notes in the

sides with. She's going to leave that to my daughter. And I think that's so wonderful. You imagine that reading it and be like, wow, this is what my mom was saying during this time. I got my kids like PRs like on videos. That's pretty good. That's awesome. Did you record their PRs? Yeah. Yeah. Well, over the weekend, well, we had a completely different experience. It was actually a positive. I think you all had a that I'm sorry, dude. Yeah, yeah. But we were able to go to the gym. It was like a world gym back in the day.

It was like a total bodybuilder. I know exactly which gym it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, we were there. And, um, because they normally noticed that I go to the gym and then they'll kind of like,

uh, hang out and like sleep in and, you know, go to the pool, whatever. But like, like, they get bored. And it's like, this time we went, I was trying to like really motivate them to, to, to hang out and like let's do things you want to do. So we were trying to do all these things like with them and mine. And I was like, I'm going to the gym. You guys come with me if you want. And like, Ethan has just been on this kick because he just has been learning all this

weight training at school. And I was like, I want to see it. I want to see what she can do. And he's like, yeah, it's good. And I was like, yeah, ever, you come along too. I didn't know if he was too young. It was like the cutoff's like 12, I guess. So he was able to come with us.

But, dude, it was like. and I tried to be just like go with their curiosity like where do you want to like you want to learn about this machine let's do his machine like we started out with bench because I knew like Ethan's familiar with that

and then um Did you flex real quick? Did you show him what time? I had to at least throw off, you know, three or four plates on there but well three. Yeah, that's all. Yeah.

But yeah, I mean eventually. But yeah, so you know, I was spotting him and he had really good form. And so it was, it's, I had to kind of like constantly cue and it was it was just fun dude I was trying not to be like super trainer brain over the whole thing just like pick kind of like a machine or an area and then let's like discuss like how this works and like what's your body position you need to be in and yeah it was rad dude we had a great time and so to the point where I didn't want to like you know have them get too sore or fatigued or anything so we kind of stopped you know after like 45 minutes an hour and then you know they wanted to do to come back the next day. We ended up coming back, you know, another day after that and to do

just like more legs and core focus. So we kind of split it up. But yeah, dude, it was rad. And Everett, he did like 225 trap our deadlift. Everett did? Yeah. And he's just like a little How much is he weighed? Yeah, he's probably, it was like 120. Oh my God. Yeah, he's like 120 pounds. We met. That's hell of strong. It's like, bro. Yeah. So potential's there. I was like, okay. Well, what's great is like at least just sparked something. And now they're like, okay, well, we want to do this more because I feel good, dad. Like that was the takeaway after we left was like, oh, I feel so much better. I'm like, yeah.

Instead of sitting around and doing nothing and, you know, like, now you have energy and you want to like be engaged and we had better conversation. So it was rad. I can't wait to be able to do that. Well, such a cool example, too, because we get a lot of, you get a lot of callers and people that message us about, you know, how to introduce strain training to their kids. kids, like they need to, like, force it or it needs to be like, oh, you know, every day, bring them in and do this. There has to be a particular program. You know, it's like, you're such a good example that is, it's so much your, part of your

lifestyle and you've never made them come down and like, you need to come live with me or you're at that age now. It's like, they'll come to you. And if they see, if they see dad, that's a part of his lifestyle and he cares. Not only that, but the most important thing you do with a kid is you have them develop a good relationship with it and enjoy it. Right. Much more important.

You don't force it down their throat and make it a thing that you. Because you want to stick. Yeah. And that's why it's so powerful. They come to you and they ask you and they want to be a part of it. And then you share with them. And then it doesn't turn into this big ordeal. And you know what?

That's going to look different for every kid. Some kids might show interest at five years old. You know, other kids may not show interest until they get into middle of high school. Like it's going to be different for every kid. And I think the most important thing as a parent or a father is you be consistent. You be that. Like you, you, you make this a part of your lifestyle and you focus on that. And don't worry.

Like, kids see what you do more than they listen to what you say. Totally. And so it'll happen. And I think that, I think sometimes parents are like so concerned that they need to build something for these kids. It's just like, no, be the example. There's crazy structure. And it's really, it's like, you know, it was a hang out.

We literally were just hanging out and just like having fun and trying things. And then it's like, it sparks more interest. And then it's like, okay, let's build up. on that the next time. Yeah, I don't do, I don't, like, Max is now at an age too, where he, we don't, we used to when he was really young. We brought him in the garage and he'd be doing Plato, like Katrina and I worked out. He just, he's been around it and he's, I don't really talk about it, bring it up or invite

him to come with me. It's like at one point, he's, he knows that mom and dad, that's a part of their life so much, he'll have interest in it. And then I'm all be excited to introduce it to him. Yeah. And until then, it's not really a thing to worry about. Totally. All right.

I wanted to touch on, there was something viral going around about heavy metals in protein powders. Oh, I did see that. I saw both Huell and Legion on that post. So here's a deal that it's really important to understand with what's going on. So first off, heavy metals are always in the soil. Lead is always in the soil, always. Here's the problem.

And by the way, it's measured in parts per billion, so or millions of a gram. So like if you get like a typical meal of potatoes of vegetables will have about five micrograms of lead. Most adults naturally consume 20 to 80 micrograms per day through everyday foods and water. So it's just they're found everywhere. It's found in the soil. You know where the problem came from? Are you guys familiar with California's Proposition 65? You've seen it before.

It's on everything. It's on everything. Is that the one that's like in coffee shops? It's like, oh. It's on every bottle of wine. And it's on everything. And it's like, why is this on everything? Like what's going on?

The problem was that regulators took the lowest level ever associated with harm in humans and then divided it by a thousand, creating what they call the safety buffer. In other words, this is the lowest amount that's ever caused problems. Now let's reduce it down by a ton. Yeah. And then that's our new safety limit. In other words, the safe harbor level is 0.5 micrograms per billion or whatever per day, which is a thousand times low.

lower than the level shown to cause harm. So you'll see this everywhere. And this is where the problem came from. So, like, Huell is well within what would be considered anywhere near what the FDA or anyone else was considered too much lead. It's the Prop 65. That's just insane. You can get anything, almost anything, it's going to have too much. Well, I remember when you interviewed Dr. Bush years ago, you remember that interview?

I think so. He's the one that talked about even all of our organic foods have it in it. And it's because it's in the rain and the rain. So even if you have like, so even if you have like this perfect soil, this perfect, all these perfect conditions, you're still going to get it from the rain that's coming down that's then in this old soil. And it's like it's almost impossible to completely have even true, true organic. Right. So I remember him talking about that years ago. Yeah, they're well, well, they're very, very low in any of these things.

It's just they create a lot of confusion. So people were using it as a percentage of Prop 65, in which case you could do almost anything. Okay. By the way, plants and plant products are always going to have higher amounts because they're directly from the soil than animal products. Yeah. It's like a piece of steak is going to have less of these things than like a potato or a piece of broccoli or broccoli or something like that. So it's all good. Everybody's good.

You can look it up yourself and see how they test. Well, I think something that I'd like to share with the audience just so they know kind of, where we're at, where we're staying. This happened years ago when an article came out about, I think, Organify. And I think you immediately, when Sal gets stuff like this, you know, I reach out to the company. Right away to the company. What do you know?

Let me see the third party testing. Let me see what's going on. Right. But then when I look deeper, I'm like, oh, this is what they did. Yeah. And so same thing happened with Huell. So I saw the message, the text message that came across to Katrina from, Sal, because Katrina manages all the partners, like, hey, what is this? We have to get to the bottom

this immediately, because we'll drop a partnership immediately if it's something that we can't stand behind or something that we don't believe in or a problem. And so, and that's in all of our contracts. So we have the right to do that. We will do that if something like that were ever to come up. No, but just so it's just so that we know, Prop 65 is a, their limit is a thousand times lower than what we've ever seen to cause any harm in humans. Yeah. So if something comes up, two times higher than that standard, which is still, you know, 900 times lower than whatever the human standard. You could put together a chart and say they had 200% of what Prop 65 would say as a mountain.

And it was aluminum, right? Is that what it was? Metal. I don't remember which ones they were. But, again, it's... Like how much when I saw Saladino talking... But you're like, you could... I saw Saladino talking on a podcast yesterday about how many more.

micrograms of like aluminum that we get every single time we drink out of a like a soda can. That's right. Like I don't know how much that is. And what that rates on that list as far as like how close does that come to the. Obviously it's under FDA because there's no way everyone to be able to have those soda cans. So we're obviously ingesting it in a lot of things every single day. It's probably the accumulation of it that where it gets really dangerous is, you know, if you're doing all these things. No, but He'll, He'll, He'll's third party.

You can look it up. You can go on the website. And they have a great product. They have a great meal replacement product that people love, and it's non-dairy vegan, so a lot of people can digest it well, and it tastes good. I got it when I was driving.

This is actually when I was driving with Katrina Home, and Mike Matthews sent it to me, because I think Legion was on the list too, and he's like, you see this bullshit right away. And then I said, you got to break it down from me because I'm driving. I said, I think Sal already got it too. And so he had sent me basically a lot of the stuff that you had said,

He goes, it's just, it's, like, and I, so supposedly the person who put the article out, too, is like some competitor, some other company that's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's ulterior motive. Oh, no, totally. But by the way, you're like, if you look at like way proteins, I was going to have less of these things, even if everything's, even if it's super low in everything, because it's not plant-based. Plant-based is typically to have more of these things. Yeah, they absorb more of the minerals. It's right there in the soil. It's right there in the soil.

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intentional deficit. I think it's important to give yourself, you know, people call them diet breaks. I don't necessarily like to use that term because it implies that you're going to have a cheap meal or go off in the other direction. I think it's important, though, to have scheduled intentional periods of time where you're breaking the deficit up with what we would call eating at maintenance or at a small surplus, where you increase your calories. And there's a few reasons for this. One, it gives you a mental break. Okay, I've been intentionally eating in a deficit now for six weeks.

It would be great to have a week where I'm eating more food. Okay. The other is the energy that you get from it, the athletic performance, strain gains, whatever type of gains you tend to see from that. It also helps with the metabolic adaptation in my experience. I don't have a ton of data to support that. There's some that suggests it. But in my experience, when I've given people breaks like this,

I tend to see less of the adaptation where their metabolism, for lack of better term, slows down. So I don't like straightforward all the way through intentional deficits for that long. I wish we had some good research to support what you're saying, because this has been my experience. In fact, I found it so interesting how common in, the bodybuilding space it was to put these competitors

on these three month deficits where they were cutting for three months straight, doing cardio like crazy. And I can't tell you how... You know what I noticed out is it seemed to work okay for someone doing

it for the first time. But boy, once they got to their second or third show of doing this again and... It's like stop working. Yeah. And it's like the only thing that makes to me is that the body just kind of figures it out, it gets more resilient. It realizes like, oh, this again, you're not going to feed me and you're going to make me do all this cardio. Like, I'm going to really hold on in reserve. It just, and again, I don't have anything to

prove that's what's happening. I've just seen it so many times and I've experienced it with clients. And this is what led me to like the small diet breaks or reverse diets, whatever you want to call them, but these shorter bouts of going on these cuts, then giving them a maintenance or a surplus for a week, then going on a cut, then a maintenance, and it would just toggling back and forth, I just seem to have way better. And that's not just, that's not including the psychological, but I could see the difference. Like, we just didn't seem to stall the same way I would stall with clients that I just put on these deficits for long periods of time.

And so I don't know exactly what's happening from a physiological point. I do know what's happening from psychological. It was very obvious how many clients. And the feedback, they would be like, oh, it's so nice to. I'll just add that in any other scenario that we can think of where you're applying a stress on the body, it typically reacts better when you give the body a little break at, you know, periodic times. Like when it comes to workouts, like you can train intensely, but at some point, it's smart to have like delode weeks. You actually get better planned interruption or recovery. That's right.

So to me, like a deficit is a stress. on the body. It is, right? Because you're taking in less energy than you're burning. Your body has having to tap into its own energy stores, body fat, hopefully. And you're going to think that's exacerbated when you're also pushing it in the gym too. It's not just a calorie, because a calorie deficit is a stress. And then what are people doing when they're in that? They're also increasing activity, lifting in a gym. And so it's not just that stress. It's you're kind of stressing the body from all different angles. And the message you're sending it is, hey, I'm going to keep

pushing this body. I'm also going to feed it less than what it needs, you know, hoping to use these reserves, the fat, but at some point the body's like, okay, we're going to really slow down

because I don't know how long we can do this for. It's also mentally fatiguing to being a deficit for that long, you know, it sucks. Your performance suffers a lot. Yeah, just mentally,

you're just like, oh my God, I'm eating this many calories. Wouldn't it be nice that if after three weeks you could have like five days or four days of bumping or calories 400 or 500? or maybe setting yourself up at maintenance or maybe a little bit in what you might think is a surplus, giving you that mental break.

Because what's the challenge with cutting? The challenge isn't that you got to lose weight. That is a challenge. It's not the big challenge. The big challenge is consistency and maintaining it afterwards. That's the big issue because everybody gains it back. So I think the way that we need to view losing weight is less about what's the most effective way to lose weight and more about what's the most effective way to keep it off.

Keep it off. Because that's the big problem. I will add one more bit of nuance to this. I also think the context matters too because somebody in a very mild cut for three months different scenario. So like let's say I have somebody who's just eating under maintenance.

In fact, we're kind of targeting maintenance or a little less. Totally different. Totally different. In fact, and this tends to be kind of what we call the Goldilocks zone where somebody's just having this beautiful exchange of sometimes they build a little bit of muscles,

sometimes they lose because they're hovering very close to maintenance to a deficit sometimes. We're really trying never to be in a surplus too much, but they're really trying to hover around maintenance most of time, and it sometimes dips in the room. I oftentimes would accomplish that with clients without even tracking. Right. Just have them hit their protein targets, hit only whole natural foods.

Even you're hungry, whole foods, get the protein. And it kind of fall there. It kind of naturally falls in this place. That's sustainable for three months. That's sustainable forever. That's more sustainable for lifestyle. Right. And what's happening there so people understand is there's probably periods of time

when they're in a little bit of a maintenance or surplus, then there's other periods of time that they're in a deficit. And there's just more of those times they're in a deficit, which causes it to be a nice cut and then to lose body fat. So that's different. But aggressive cut, 500 plus calorie deficits for sure or more every day for three months. That's long. Next question is from Better Mang.

What's the best way to program goblet squats and what are they most effective for? Loading is limited, but I hear experts talking about their value all the time, so I'm curious. I typically like, because the loading is limited. So with the golf is squat, if you're not familiar, you're holding a dumbbell in your hands in front of you. You're putting your elbows underneath and you're doing squats. And typically, I like to do them with heels elevated. So I'll have someone stand on a slight ramp or have their heels. So you can get depth.

Yeah, on like 10 pound plates. Yes, loading is limited, right? You get real strong. You can only hold so much. in your arms. So I typically save this as the second or third exercise in the leg workout. Heels elevated, real full range of motion. Like you're going all the way down, sitting down, coming up, and it's great for quads.

I can really emphasize quads with a Galbit squat with my clients and even myself. Like I'll get a crazy, but it's typically after I do the heavy loaded like back squat type of stuff. Yeah, from a functional. It's great for targeting the quads. but I mean, I kind of would even probably value more of a Zerter squad as opposed to that, you know, just because of the loading is so limited and you can load quite substantially more. And I like the centric type of loading where we can keep that load close to the body. And, you know, you can manage that and control that a lot more effectively. But again, like it's, I think it's lower on the on the stack.

When you look at the overall, like what's going to move the needle? the most is probably not one of them. So interesting, I don't know who picked this question or not. I did. Okay, so cool, you picked this up because I had actually just got hit on social media a lot by a lot of the experts talking about it. Oh, really? Yeah, and I'll give you the takeaways that I, and I agree with them, and I think you guys will, too.

One, goblet squats were a lot of times the first squat that I taught. So people that couldn't barbell back squat. Loading isn't an issue with the beginning. That's right. So, so. Ten pound dumbbells and a lot. It's a natural way you load in real life. It also promotes good posture.

That's right. So somebody who has never really squatted before. It's easier to do than a bribal squat is an excellent beginner place to start. It also can encourage really good depth. So and good core strength. So you have to activate the core, keep your chest up high, good posture, which is good mechanics for learning how to squat properly. We're not worried about loading. This person's never really squatted anything.

So holding a 50-pound, d'clock. dumbbell is good load. Plenty. It's plenty of load for this person. And so it does, it does. Also, when you, when you hold it, it kind of naturally pushes kind of the knees out, which because your elbows are in the middle. That's right, because your elbows are in the middle.

So knees caving out is a very, or caving in is a very. You're countering that front weight that's pulling you forward, so therefore you can gain more depth. That's right. So it's a, it's a great beginner squat. And, and so, this was the, the argument that a lot of, uh, the experts that were talking about that I came across, and I agree. Like, I, I would argue that I goblet squatted with more people than I backloaded squatting.

Backloaded squatted, squatting took longer for me than my clients to do. That's right. So, skill, yeah, it takes a while to tea. Sometimes months. That's right. My average client was middle age to advanced age, female client who had never really lifted weights. And so I did not take that client to a barbell back squat in our first month of training. We goblets squatting for a while

and goblet squatting got them in a really good position. So that's where you're getting a lot of what makes it so amazing. Now, if you've been, if you can barbell back squat to Justin's point, this is like, this is where, and this is why I think you guys took that angle. It's like, it doesn't come close

to a barbell or even a front. No, for me, I would save it. It's goals. Yeah. They're trying to achieve. It doesn't, in the ranking of barbell back squat, barbell front squat, maybe even the, The sewers.

Lunges. Yeah, it just doesn't hit that. But a deconditioned client who's never squatted before, awesome. Well, I'll tell you, when I've gobbled squatted, it was at the end of my leg workout. When I'm already fatigued and I'm looking for a pump. So I pump the quads that way. So I love, at the end of my workout, I've already done heavy barbell back squad, maybe lunges or Bulgarians.

And I want to just get a massive pump on my quads, elevate my heels, grab an 80-pound dumbbell and pump them out, Amramp style or high. wrap and just blow my quads out. Next question is from Gabriel 992-319. If each one of you guys could pick one peptide and the rest disappear, what would it be in why? Yeah, so let's talk about our experiences with them. You know, maybe I'll maybe because I have taken the most. I'll start first.

I feel like there's one of us way more qualified to see. So, I mean, I've used every single one. I can get my hand on it. But you only get one. All the rest have to disappear. Well, I'll talk about some of the ones that made the biggest impact. Let me see. Yeah, but you got to give me.

And I will pick one. I will pick one. But the ones that have made the biggest impact where I'm like, whoa, I could tell I'm taking something. I feel like you're going to steal Justin eyes if you do this. Yeah, that's all right. Well, let's go and get through the list. And then we'll all give our one. And then you can come back around and tell all.

Otherwise, you're going to steal our thunder. Yeah. Look, I'll pick one that you guys haven't taken, I know. Okay. Okay. They all are going to disappear and that's the one you're keeping? Well, I'm going to put it in a category of like you want to gain size.

Okay. You want muscle size. Part of it is because it makes you hungry. Yeah. Part of it is because it makes your muscle, you hold water. Abutamara? Oh, I've taken that. Oh, you have.

Oh, yeah. For gaining. That made me, I will put on seven pounds, eight pounds. Sleep really good. That was a radical muscle building. Wow. Get rid of all the rest and that? For muscle building.

Impact, okay. For muscle building. For like energy, MOTC. Blows me away. I did Motsie and I was like, oh my God, I feel him out. I took Justin's. I know, this, he's still going to steal a thunder. He can't help himself.

They're good, it's good. It's good. You only get to pick one dog. You don't get to sell all of them. You'll get to pick one. I'm 100% in on diexa. So that would be mine. So yours is die hexa.

You noticed that one a lot. Wow. So interesting. You guys went these directions. Like not even close. Like all the other. You see Max like, you know, somewhat. But even any new tropic I've ever taken, any kind of like vitamin or brain

environment anything anybody's ever promoted has not even touched it like like dihexa has been one of those things it's like whoa that's wild because when you notice it does it take a day or two or it takes about a day or two yeah and then if i'm because i'll it's weird because i like try and save it you know it's like that limitless pill yeah for you drop it when i have the most impact you know so before recording i'll make sure and like do a day before and then start the sequence of that and then I'll kind of taper off the rest of the week. But yeah, like I could, and I've messed with like higher amounts and then it's, it's too much. I'll get like a headache.

And so, you know, there's just like sweet spot. But yeah, it's like I'll start noticing that I could recall something. And I just, oh, yeah, this. And then it's like more fluid in conversation with anybody. I'll just think of a reference. And so boom, I never have access to that. And it's so frustrating. And so now it's like, wow, one thing that's actually helped at least some.

somewhat. It's not like there's potential for me, like, like huge potential to be able to remember things. Like I, I still have a really hard time. Man, I am so fascinated that you both went that direction. I would totally not. Well, I'm saving the other one. Well, I know. I have, I have more, but that's just the one that impact me. Well, yeah, no. If I had to like, I pick one, it has to be one over another for me. That's it. It has to either be a GLP one or it has to be PPC. It has to be one of those two. Because because, just because, uh, and less of my personal self, because I could two shits about a GLP1. I just know the impact of it.

Like if I only get one peptide and the rest of the disappeared, I think of that peptide as our GLP1 would have helped so many of my clients that I had. Oh my God. If I use that as a tool with my, oh, yeah. Are you kidding me? Life changing for that. And the other one is injuries is just, I mean, BBC cuts the injury time,

recovery time in half. Yeah. Like literally 50%. And so when I think of the things that I dealt with as a trainer with clients, uh, obesity, diet issues for sure. top and then second would be nagging pain and injury. I just started one I've never done before with our partners at mpHormones.com. And they recommended five amino one mq.

It's in capsule form. And it brings down an enzyme that degrades NAD. So you actually get NAD through a different pathway. And it definitely elevates NED. So you can take out of NAD to try to get more NAD. Or you can just get your body to break down less of it and have more of it. and 5 Amino 1MQ is pretty effective at it. So they recommended it to me.

I'm like, sure, I've never tried before. Let's go. I can tell. Yeah. No, I can tell. It's the most I can tell of all the energy producing. Yeah, it's like a MOTC did that for me as well. I like MOTC, but it's different.

But 5 Amino 1MQ is a capsule, and I'll do like 100 milligrams or 150 milligrams. You can do as little as 50 milligrams. And for sure I could tell. Sleep deprived. I could tell when I'm like. feel good. I can tell. With NAD, just in general, I'm kind of meh about it unless you're like sleep deprived really bad, right? So like, like you need it. Like I just flew from Florida type of deal, right? I'm all jet lagged. Or coming off a serious flu or sickness like that or like when I

recovered from the cratom thing. Man, holy cow. Yeah. Like I felt a huge difference. Other times I'm like, yeah, do I feel better? I don't know. It's hard to tell. But if you're depleted or you're you're down. Holy smokes, you feel the difference. Now, I'm going to report back on, so our, again, our partners at MP hormones have something called the Clow stack, K-L-O-W. That's a skin one. It's B-P-C-C-B-C-C-H-B-C-C-H-B-C-E. And I can't remember. G-H-K-C-U, yeah.

And all of them are synergistic. All of them help with repair. All of them. People like it for skin. But it's great for skin, hair-nails. It's great for ligaments. It's great for injuries. inflammation. It's good for gut health, but people love it for skin. My wife's been on it for,

I'll report back. She's only been on it for like five days. So we know, that's, we're giving that to her. She did look 43 years younger than you in that post. You just did that? Hey, you know why I did that? You know what I did that? So I did that because we were at a wedding and. So we thought it was your daughter? No, no, no, but not again. By the way, that doesn't offend me at all. Of course. That's a cold way. We're talking about someone saying about your wife's like, oh, sorry. I'm Sorry. I was like when those people were talking about Katrina behind my back. You know what I'm saying?

Like, of course I would date some young children. But we were talking. We were with this couple of them. We were with this couple. And then one of them, I don't remember she said something about, you know, her birthday. I don't remember what it was. And they're like, what? I thought you were like, I thought you were like 30.

And she's like, no, you did. Because my wife's 39. Yeah. No, we did. No, we didn't. She never believes anybody. So I'm like, watch. I'm going to ask people on Instagram are age difference.

The average person on there said 15 year age difference. There's an eight year. any difference, everybody? Well, it doesn't help that you look 70. Yeah. That was the angle. When I said 43, I was going to that angle, I was like, well, he looks like 75 here.

She looks like she's like. All right. Back to the peptide thing. I will very carefully talk about some of the not so, you know, like some of the gray market. I've trade gray market peptides as well. So I will say that there's one called FLGR. I can't remember the rest of it.

It's like a weird name. it's a long-acting form of fallostatin. I don't recommend you go get it. You can make you do your own decisions or whatever, but that stuff works for sure. But it's not something you would get from an FDA regulated compound pharmacy. This is if you want to be stupid. I went on a rant with Shuline Johnson on all of it.

I just kind of like I poo-pooed a lot of it. There's certain things like BPC, I said, and a GLP one for the right person. But I think for a majority of people, And I think you're an exception of the role, too, because, I mean, I haven't seen you miss a meal in fucking 11 years. And so, you know, like the average person who can't keep their diet in check for frigging three weeks and you can't exercise more than 60 days in a row. It's like taking all these different random peptides. My brother's that guy.

He sent an ad for a mushroom like drink. He's like, should I take this? Like, bro, you're putting a spoiler on a 95-0. Exactly. That's exactly how I communicate to. That's exactly how I communicated to. to Shillen. It's just like, everybody's asking about, oh, what's the best for this? It's like, dude, go eat right for a month.

Yeah. Go train. So, you know, to my point about you, like, to me, it's fair. Like, and so anybody who doesn't know, like, Sal, doesn't miss a workout, doesn't miss a meal, and has done that for the 11 years I've been around them. And so, yeah, it makes sense that you would, you would toy around with all these other next layer of stuff. For the rest of us, like, get your shit together everywhere else. And then it makes sense. sense to do that stuff. Next question is from Joe Pack. Favorite moment when playing sports

for Adam and Justin. It'd be nice to have Sal take the back seat for a question. You picked this? Yeah, I did. You just wanted a break? Yeah, I'm tired. It's time for my meal. No, I want, I'm actually curious.

I read this. I'm like, I don't think I've ever heard you guys. Personal stories or was watching. Yeah, well, playing sports. No, it's while playing the sports. Oh, wow. Yeah, like, what's your, I don't think I know from you guys. I know from Justin when you did the reunion game.

Oh, yeah. But I don't know if that's your favorite moment. No, yeah, that was like, yeah, way later on. It was like recreating my favorite moments, you know, with my buddies. And it really was, football was probably the most impactful sport because it was just so much training and everything leading up into these. And you only get a certain amount of games. So they mean more, you know. And it's like the overall for me to play with like a big team and like dominate other teams,

was like, I was such a good feeling. I think the most impactful one was actually when we lost, though, which is ironic. But it's, we played, we had a season where we were just undefeated and we were just dominating almost everybody. Was this high school or college?

High school. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to go back to the Uncle Rico. Are you a senior year or junior? Don't worry. I have more, I have a way more pathetic story.

Oh, yeah. This is senior year. And so, I mean, there's a lot of stories. I'll try and condense this, so it's not so ridiculous. But we had a pretty traumatic, like, so junior year, one of our players, he was part of a car crash and died in this, like, accident. And it was all drunk driving, related and all this stuff. And so we actually, like, decided collectively, like, no, he's going to drink. Because, like, we were all just, like, so dialed in training.

and like we were all at each other's houses. We had we shared dinners with each other. And it was like this like total synergy you'd never get. And I didn't realize you. I never got it again, you know, in sport. And so it was just like one of those kind of magical seasons. And we just kind of came out of the gates just fighting everybody and just destroying people. And it was like all the speculation of like where we could go.

We got a lot of press. Like the whole community was just like following us around all over the. state of California, like, playing these games. And we were just trying to, we were trying to call out, like, the biggest schools and, and we ended up, like, making it all the way to the end. We played in this championship game, uh, for Division I. And it was against Palma. And Palma was, um, just as talented.

We were literally like the perfect match with them. And we didn't know how good they were, uh, because we were just destroying everybody. And like, we finally, like, kind of met. our match. And so we're out there and we're fighting and we, we, they had a completely different type of offense. Like, um, they ran like the fly sweep and they ran a lot of like this misdirection stuff. And so I wasn't able to play in my normal position. I was like outside linebacker and I used to just, you know, take quarterbacks out and like just, that was my job. And, and, um, I was like basically alignment at that point. And so it was like, I was playing different position. And everybody was

kind of switched around. And so it was kind of. disoriented, but we played really well. We were down. We were back up. We were down. The game kind of went back and forth, like crazy. We got to a point where we were down, I think it was like two touchdowns. And we threw this bomb to our receiver, Orion, and he just broke away and, like, score. And we're like going crazy. We go kick off.

We kick off like an onside kick. We recover. Oh, God. We go down. We get back. We score. We're ahead. We're ahead by like, you know, two points or something.

And so they get the ball back. We kick it off as far deep as we can. They get to like the 10-yard line or so. Again, this is like where we all have this like, you know, regret kind of like with the coaching and this and that and the other like what we could have done better. Like it was the whole pre-event defense. And so we're kind of backing off and we're like we don't want to let them, you know, easily throw the bomb because they're going to go for. the end zone because they have to score. And so I think it was like four points.

So it wasn't like they could kick a field goal to tie it. So, and so they're going down the field and they're just chipping away. Boom. Get it out of balance. You know, the same time, it's like you get down to the point. They were at the 50 yard line, I believe. And so the quarterback, I'm running in like 100% effort,

tackle the quarterback. Because at this point, I was like, coach, just let me go. Like he was like, everybody's backing off. I'm like, I'm blitzing. I'm going. And so I just went. Hit the quarterback. He throws like just a prayer in the end zone.

Our, our cornerback grabs it in the end zone. The air catches it. Their receiver rips it out of his hands midair lands touchdown score. They win the game done. And we're just left there like, what just happened? We just like literally came back. And we were fighting and our crowds going crazy and we're just having this momentum and we're going to win. This is the championship.

And then just gone. Everything gone. But it was like one of those kind of t-shirt games where it's like everybody remembers it. Everybody was part of it. Who's who fucked up? You know, we're like looking at the film, you know? Like it's just to this day. It's like if I go to like one of these bars like where I grew up, it's like they'll still, you'll hear people talking about it.

No way. I swear to God. You'll see pictures and stuff with people. Yeah, it was like, I wanted to go there. I could show you, dude. I want to go so bad. It's embarrassing, but it's, but it, because it was such like a local, like, event.

Like, everybody was all bought in. So, so, so you guys lost because you blest? So it's all your fault? No. No, this is not. I told you that I was going to, I brought that I was going to end with some, like, great, like, oh, he fumbled the ball. We picked it.

No, he lost. Oh, I mean, I made a lot of plays in that game and, like, I got, you know, a bunch of tackles. But it was like... Bro, I'm excited just hearing it right now. That's just so memorable because it was like the hardest fought game I've ever been it. And we still didn't win. You know, yeah. Still a good story, though.

But yeah, it was like, just to be a part of that was like magical. Wow. You know, it's funny that you, you, me, Katrina, we all have similar stuff in college. I didn't play. The only winning team that I played for that we went to a championship was an eighth grade. And the coolest story that I have was the game before the championship game, I scored three goals coming back from being down to put us over and to win. Was soccer?

Yeah, soccer. Eighth grade. So that's like the best, like, well, tell the story, man. You made it boring just now. Well, I had three goals. Anything cool happen? I mean, we were down. We were down two goals.

I scored the three goals in a row to win. So that was like a, that was it. So for me, that's like, was a highlight in sports for me. But I played for a lot of losing teams. So when we were like in high school, like, I got. We got our asses kicked. I rode the bench a lot of the time. So, like, I don't have a lot of really cool stories that I got to experience.

In fact, I think that's what built a lot of character in me is, like, having to work so hard and losing. And so, like, going through it sucked. Being an adult later on, like, Katrina and I talked about this all time. Katrina, like, even her whole experience, you know, she went D1 and played on a team that lost every game. And she came from a high school that went undefeated. So she used to tell me that, so in D1, she'd come home. she cried every day after playing the train. Because I come from being this dominant high school team

to going to a D1 school, my dream. And then losing every single game. She goes, it broke my, she goes, I cried every single game afterwards like that. You know, my best like sports experiences, it's so Uncle Rico and sad to say, was playing rec ball in my 20s. Because in my 20s,

my best friend, who I went to high school with and played basketball with, moved in with me, and we played rec ball together in our 20s. And one of the funnest times I ever had, and we won some like wreckball tournaments, which I don't really count that. Get a medal.

But exactly, like super, like you don't even get that. It was like super lame. You know, it's more bragging rights. But playing ball with somebody, and Justin's probably experienced this, playing ball with someone you've played ball with most of your life, uh,

it's so fun because it's, you have this other sense with him. Like I don't, like I knew where he was on the court. and so getting to play as like young adults in these like rec ball leagues with a guy that I've been playing basketball with for 10 plus years. There's all kinds of great plays and moments that happened within the games that I can still like recall. You know, like these like no look passes and things like no way how you saw him there. But man, I never, I played for a lot of bad losing teams and and rode the bench when I was in high school.

My freshman year I was a I was a star player because I played for a division. in four high school. It was a small school. And so I dominated. It was the leading score, letting steals. We didn't have any, we didn't go to the championship ring like that,

but I had a great season. And then the next year, I get transferred to a bigger school where I end up, I know nobody. I'm behind, who becomes my best friend. My point card is,

I'm playing point card behind another guy. So I rode the pine and didn't play a lot. And so went from being this great star player to being a bench ride. and so like I don't have like really good sports stories of a cool moment or I do. I have more. I just like I'm holding back. Oh, I want to hear another one, dude.

Yeah, you probably have way better. Well, that was they psyched me up. Dude. Yeah. I want your autograph. Especially like, it's funny, like the rec stuff was huge because it was like, like you said, like you grew up and you all played on the same teams. Like most of the guys that were like my best friend, we played like every sport.

So it wasn't just like, you know, football. was like baseball was so you know each other was rugby it was yeah we played like all these things together like my same kind of crew and we played like a three on three term remember those like three and three like a basketball tournament

and this is where it is the one up or what was it called? Yeah yeah and one. And one. Yeah. Yeah and so we're in San Jose and we're playing and you know we're we're like three dorky white guys you know and like there's just like

there's just like there's anyway, we were getting dominated by like a lot of players there that were just dunking. Yeah. Just like throwing whatever up and they're just making everything. And we're, I bring that up because you look at us and we stood out and we're like, you know, playing like wooden basketball where you're like throwing up bank shots and what we're doing like bounce passes to each other. We're all fundamental. Fundamental basketball. And so it was like we're kind of laughing about it.

but because they were just like, you know, talking so much trash to us and like, you know, trying to like kick us off the court. And like, so we lost our first game, which was like one of those things. It was like they just were just totally like messing with us the whole time. The crowd was just like making fun of us, you know. And so and we rally back because you get like one loss and then you kind of get in the loser bracket. You make your way back up. And so we ended up winning.

and then we won again and then we won again and we were just like do fundamental basketball we're coming back and we made it all the way to the end so we win like the consolation prize on like the loser bracket but it was like we played the same team that beat us in the beginning

and we smashed them during the second time so anyway it was like one of those things it was fun because it was there was I really enjoy when people like they throw all this venom at you before they even know what you're capable of.

And I've experienced that so many times. My favorite part about sport is like the, like the underestimate. You put up or shut up. Yeah. And then there's other football games where people like, my favorite thing was when people would throw stuff at us when we're just waiting to get on the field. And like just the venom and vitriol and like, you guys suck. You and they're just like, you know, really territorial.

I'm going to kill me. My God, yes, I was like, yeah, more. You know, we, we would feed up. We were like one of the only teams that, like, fed off of that energy. And we came out and just, I remember I had like the best game I've ever had in football where I was like, I had like four sacks. I had like two interceptions. And we just like, we came back.

And it was one of those where we, we were on the bus and we're just like singing because everybody was just throwing stuff out of us hated us. And we're flipping them off. and then, well, I can't tell the rest of the part. I'll tell you guys off. Best part of getting Justin going. You know, you started talking about these stories. There's stories that Justin and I experienced together

that a long time ago we shared on the podcast when we played the 49ers, and that was crazy. We shut the gym down, and Justin was a personal trainer, and I was running the Santa Teresa Club, and that was crazy, right? You got a bunch of 280-pound dude. Yeah, Samoan Lyman. That was Isaac Sopiwago was playing for them.

Mani Peterson was playing for them. I had to cover Isaac. Yeah. And to see these NFL players who you could tell, by the way, they dribble the ball and play that they weren't like basketball players at all. But the athleticism was just insane and we just got destroyed. And we were all like ex-basketball players. And so that was really fascinating to do that.

Well, some of you talk about people talking shit before and stuff like that, like some of my favorite memories were with Katrina, where we would go down and play this. So, you know, we go play pickup ball and we go down to like 24th Fitness on a Saturday where all the gamers are playing in there. And we have the girl on our team. And so, well, everybody does, you know, this is like, I mean, on Saturday down at like 24, is like when all the college players are down there and stuff like that. And so, you know, they'd see Katrina and then like automatically they'd pair up the worst guy

that they have on the girl. And then it would be the best, like within like three, four points after she stole the ball twice and blocked his ass. They'd have to switch the dude on a different guy on her because she was just schooling some guy. So, yeah, those were like great memories. That's what you're like, I'm going to marry her. Yeah. Yeah, no.

So we have like, I have like all these like Uncle Rico stories like that that were great, but I never got to play on a good, a good competitive team. I got one story, but it's not about me because I didn't play last of the sport. I did judo jihitsu, but nothing crazy. Yeah, but you'd have a cool, like, to get to a purple belt, you had a good win. Yeah, I got a couple stories, but one that stands out to me is with my dad. So my dad, when I was a kid, I was 12, I was doing judo. We did it over San Jose Buddhist judo clubs.

So the oldest judo clubs in America. It's in Japan town, downtown San Jose. And I was 12. My cousin was 12. My brother was there. He was a little guy. He did it. And my dad, he did judo as a kid in Sicily.

And he stopped forever because he was working, support his family. Finds a judo school, signs this up. And so he signs himself up. So then we signed up for a big tournament. And it was one of the bigger tournaments. around here. And my dad says, I'm going to compete too.

So the kids typically go first. So we do our thing. Then the adults go. And my dad at the time, he probably weighed 185 pounds. Not a huge guy. Not a huge guy. Not a huge guy.

Five nine or whatever. And I don't know. I don't remember exactly how this happened. But they put him in like a pool with much, with much bigger guys. And so my dad's first match, he throws the guy wins. The second guy he went against was this dude.

as a kid, I would love to see this guy now as an adult, but as a kid, he was very scary. He looked jacked, so as a kid, I don't know how jacked he is, but to a 12-year-old, my cousin and I were like, oh, no, your dad's going against that guy. So he was definitely bigger than my dad. Dreadlocks, like big dude,

he had this camo gie on before warming up, which is funny because you're not supposed to wear that for judo, but he had this, and he took that glee off, and he was like, just jacked. In his first match, he hurt the guy. like really bad. The guy hit the ground, super bad,

whatever. So I go up to my dad. It's like a bloodsport movie. Bro, it does remind me of that. Well, judo is, uh,

it's, it's, it's like, it's like wrestling. Like, and in judo, you win by throwing someone. So it's not like point fighting.

Like, you're blasting somebody. You're, it's very explosive, very, uh, content. So we go up to my dad.

My cousin and I and my uncle go up to my dad. So my uncle's full grown man to convince my dad to not do the match. Because I'm like, Because I meet my cousin and I were like, I almost was ready to cry. I'm like, my dad's going to get hurt. What are we going to do? I tell my uncle, my uncle's like, it's probably a good idea because he has a job.

He's got a support of him. So we go to my dad and we try to convince him. Like, hey, don't do it. And I'm like begging him. I'm like, blah, please don't do this. He's like, he's going to hurt you. He's, please don't do this. My dad's like, he's just a man.

He's just a man. I'm a man. He's a man. If he beats me, it's okay, it's not a big deal. Yeah, but you're going to get hurt. He's like, it's going to be okay. I'm going to be okay. So we're on the sidelines watching my dad go up there.

And I'm like terrified. I'm like really scared. My uncle's scared. My mom at the time, she can't watch. She couldn't watch our matches either, to be fair. She couldn't watch anybody's matches. So my dad goes against this guy. My dad throws him, but it's not a full throw.

So you don't get a full point. So you have to keep going on the ground. My dad holds him down into pin. So you can pin someone in judo. You have to hold him for 30 seconds, though. And he holds this guy and he's got, he does a side pin. and he's got his chin on the guy's chest and head and arm in one side

in between the legs of the other side. And it looked like my dad took this guy and drilled him to the floor. He wasn't moving. There was no movement. He was just on the ground. Like, I don't know how my dad,

and my dad's very strong, he's got good technique. But this dude was just pinned. And he starts yelling. Ah! But he ain't going anywhere. My dad just holding him. And then they throw a beanbag

the floor and he win. And I was like the most hero movement in my life. To see my dad win this match. Especially at that age, 12 years old. Like at that moment, like, it's... Oh, he was... You kidding me, dude?

Super mad. Oh, yeah, dude. I looked at my dad and I was like... He's like, I told you. I told you it would be okay. I was scared. We were all scared. Yeah.

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