Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2876: GLP-1, Wearables & Longevity Fads; The Fitness Traps Nobody Warns You About

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

In this episode the guys break down the four biggest fitness traps of 2026 — over-reliance on wearables and tech, the GLP-1 shortcut and muscle loss crisis, chasing longevity fads over basics, and aesthetics over everything. They also get into the alien.gov website reveal (spoiler: not what anyone expected), the black market GLP-1 side hustle spreading through social circles, a new study showing resistance training beats cardio for fat loss head to head, and Doug's 30-day Dose liver enzyme experiment update. Then they coach live callers submitted through mplivecaller.com — Aidan from Kansas on lingering strength and nerve issues after mono, Jamie from Oklahoma on rebuilding her relationship with food and training after anorexia and overtraining, and Caleb from Pennsylvania who shares an inspiring 18-month reverse diet success story before getting help with chronic forearm pain. MAPS Summer Sale — https://mapsfitnessproducts.com Code: SUMMER40 — 40% off everything (programs, bundles, mods & guides) — June 1–14 only SPONSORS Vuori — https://vuoriclothing.com/mindpump 20% off first order — no code needed, automatically applied Dose (liver & cholesterol support) — https://dosedaily.co/MINDPUMP Code: MINDPUMP — 25% off first month subscription. Clinically backed, all-natural liquid supplement. Supports liver enzymes, LDL, HDL and skin health. Fatty15 (C15 essential fatty acid) — https://fatty15.com/MINDPUMP Code: MINDPUMP — additional 15% off the 90-day Starter Kit subscription. C15 has been shown to have 3x more cellular benefits than omega-3. LINKS Submit a live caller question: https://mplivecaller.com  Mind Pump Store: https://mindpumpstore.com  Maps Fitness Products: https://mapsfitnessproducts.com  Instagram: @mindpumpmedia 0:00 - Intro 2:12 - Fitness trap #1: Over-reliance on wearables and tech — when data becomes a stressor 8:21 - Fitness trap #2: GLP-1 and the muscle loss crisis — what nobody is telling you 16:36 - Fitness trap #3: Chasing longevity fads while ignoring the basics 20:56 - Fitness trap #4: Aesthetics over everything — why chasing the look kills the look 33:23 - Vuori — the random guy at the park who wouldn't stop complimenting Sal's joggers 44:57 - Resistance training vs. cardio for fat loss — new head to head study 47:57 - Dose liver supplement — skin benefits and Doug's 30-day cholesterol experiment 55:43 - Alien.gov — the government website reveal nobody saw coming 59:33 - Caller: Aidan (Kansas) — college swimmer, post-mono nerve issues, lost 100lbs on bench 1:13:13 - Caller: Jamie (Oklahoma) — anorexia history, overtraining, inner thigh pain, gets a coach 1:27:24 - Caller: Caleb (Pennsylvania) — 18-month reverse diet success story, now dealing with forearm pain  

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Well, I'm looking at what you got ahead of us here. And I'm like, oh, this is interesting. There are things that we talk about that get into people's way. And then I think there are things that are more timely, you know, with kind of what's happening right now with fitness trends. Yeah. Like, for example, the first thing is the over-reliance on wearables and tech. This was not a thing when we were training clients. Wearables were not a thing.

Just emerging, but yeah, not. Towards the end, they were starting to come out. Even then, yeah. But now, wearables and tech, things that track your sleep and your heart rate and your steps and all the tracking wearable devices are becoming a big thing. And they can totally become a trap. Yeah. Obsession.

I like the way you frame this and I like the things that you chose because I feel like this is the theme that they all have in common. They all have validity. Yeah. They all could be a tool. But I do think that they've become a trap. I think that every one of these ones that you've listed, people have fallen prey to the marketing and advertising around them. And now it's the end all, be all, or they're dependent on these things. to get to their results.

And I couldn't agree more. Like as much, and I think out of all of us, I'm the most pro probably tech. I think I use to the tech stuff for tracking the most. I think it can be a wonderful tool. But I do think that a lot of people get hung up on the data that is giving you. And it becomes this driver and almost a stress.

Yeah, that's okay. So I'm so glad you said that. So when we say traps, that doesn't mean they're not valuable. It means they can become traps because we either overvalue them or we don't recognize the potential pitfalls. So let's start with wearables.

We're talking about wearables. And I remember the first time I heard somebody say this. It was actually Doug. Doug talked about how the sleep tracking devices were causing him to have worse sleep because he was stressing over the data. Yeah. Wanted to improve his number.

He's getting competitive with it. He kept looking at it trying to improve it. And it actually was something he had to put away to get asleep to be better. After I heard that from Doug, I've now heard several callers call in and talk. Now, remember, back when we trained clients, this wasn't a thing. So I didn't have experience with clients wearing these. But I've now heard enough people on the show say, oh, I had to stop tracking my sleep

because it actually made my sleep worse, the fact that I was tracking it. The other part is you can start to ignore how you feel and rely entirely on what your device says, which is not good. This is not a good thing because how you may feel. may differ from what the data says, but how you feel, yes, I know it's your perception, but that actually is your reality. Not to mention, that's how you develop the relationship you have with fitness. One of the things that we do is trainers that helps our clients achieve long-term success

has help them to connect the dots. Yeah. Help them to connect how they feel, how they perceive how they feel, to how they're going to change or modify their workouts, to how they're going to change or modify their diet. and if a wearable says one thing, but my client comes to me and says, but I feel like this.

You know what I'm going to go with? Yeah. I'm going to go with what the client says. Go to what you feel. I know this was kind of one of those things too. And I was optimistic about HRV training and was really like excited and geeking out on it. Um,

when I was trained athletes specifically too, because they'd come in and I'm like, okay, what's your score? And we would see trends, but rarely would it line up with how they actually felt, uh, before the workout.

And so it was like, you know, it was nice to have kind of see, like the progression of that, but at the same time, just how they felt and like if they had a good night of sleep and their stress levels were down and they kind of inherently knew that was, that was what we led with. Yeah, I think you said it best with it's really good for trends. So I, and I think if you just take it with a grain of salt and you go like, this is just another data point that I'm using with many other data points that are so important and probably how you feel

being, how you feel and strength results probably the most important. The other part of the wearables that I see happen to people a lot is the overcorrection with calories. Yeah. It's super common because they get told, oh, this is what my BMR is. I should be, based off my activity level, this is where my calories should be at in order for me to lose weight. So then they start doing that. And then maybe they have a day that's stressful and get very good sleep or something or just something going on at work. Or they just had extra sodium or they just drink some extra water.

And all of a sudden their body holds two or three extra pounds of water. and the scale goes up. And because they're tracking so diligently, they know, like, man, I was eating 1,900 calories and I still went up on the scale. I must need to go lower. So now I'm going to go down to 17. And so they all of a sudden, course correct,

because they're using this data. They care so much about the scale going down. And they're, they're, man, I'm tracking my calories. My calories are saying this. And my scale. What a great example. My weight went up. I need to go harder and go down.

I see that all the time. This is a great example because a scale is actually tech. Now, it's not considered tech today. but at one point it was tech. Yeah. And we have a lot of experience with our clients where the scale screwed them up. Yeah, completely misleading. Yeah, the problem with tech is it doesn't have perfect information.

Perfect information would consider every possible variable, including the subjective experience of the client. So the question is, how do you use tech then as a trainer? Well, here's how I would use it. I would look at someone's HRV. I would look at someone's sleep score. And then I'd ask them how they feel. And then I might not even tell them how I'm adjusting the workout because they need to know

how they feel matters, not to me, but to them, so they can start connecting the dots. Then we get the GLP1 scenario. This one's wild. GLP peptides. GLP ones are the first ones. Now we have twos, threes, probably fours coming up or something like that. So these GLPs, this is the first time we've ever had a medical intervention that is so reliable for weight loss.

Like, if you use a GLP, you're probably going to lose a lot of weight, okay? Period. End of story. But here's the problem. The problem is the severe reduction in calories that comes from just not eating. This can blind you to what might really be happening. One of the main things is muscle loss. And we see this in the data.

It's very, very clear. If you go in a GLP and you don't strength train and you don't eat adequate calories and you definitely don't eat enough protein, 35, 40 percent of the weight loss will come from muscle. And that's not good. that's actually not setting you up for longevity. It's making you weaker, more frail. It's causing metabolic adaptation in a direction you don't want. Eventually you can plateau,

and then you're stuck in this position where the low calories you're eating are not even low enough to cause any more weight loss. And it's kind of a smoke screen. And the reason why this is a trap is somebody who's always struggled with weight, who goes into GLP and doesn't do all the other stuff that we're talking about,

they see the scale going down and they're like, this is great. Yeah. I'm moving in the right direction. Everything's positive. Everything's positive. This is great. I'm losing weight. Whatever. I don't care. I've struggled my weight for so long. And it's a trap because they're not looking deeper. It's not addressing the root cause. It's like a drug that's masking

the real reason why they got to where they're at, which means you are now subject to taking this for the rest of your life. If you don't solve that. And of course, what most people are saying is who cares just want to get down there then i'll figure it out from there this is uh god this has become way bigger than i thought it was as far as a problem again i was this weekend i was at a graduation part all the graduations are happening right now right and so i was at a a big graduation party and um every conversation i had really every conversation i had well was around glp once it was insane to me and then i'm not at a this one

wasn't like my, my fitness friends, right? There's no personal trainers here. There are no personal trainers there, okay? Zero personal trainers is not my fitness bubble that I'm at in the world. This is like normal people. Nobody's, like, there's people that are working out that are there. There's a huge party, right? But I mean, this is not a fitness gathering.

And every person wanted to talk to me about GLP ones. It was really annoying. Like, because I did not want to talk about it. And they're all so excited about it. I also didn't want to be this guy at the party that's like shitting all over everybody's ideas. And it was like I just was listening and just taking it all in going like,

wow, this has gone. So, bro, kids, kids, parents that are because they're hearing so many of the positive things about it that are letting their high school kids take GOP once. High school kids that don't need to lose 100 pounds of weight. Yeah. That just want to lose 10 or 15 pounds before

the graduation dress, that's what's going on. Yeah. That's how bad this is going. GLPs have tremendous potential value, but they become a trap when people go on them, they kill their appetite and they just essentially starve themselves to lose a bunch of weight. That's it. And they don't realize that they're trading one problem for another. Obesity is a problem.

So is being under-muscled. So frailty is a real problem. In fact, when it comes to longevity, frailty is a bigger problem in many cases than obesity. And it can cause lots of different issues. And it's a trap because people don't realize what's happening. They just know that they're smaller. They are ignoring the signs of the fact that they're fatigued and weak.

They don't feel as good. But hey, the weight's going down. So this must be totally amazing. GOPs used properly can be phenomenal. But I wonder what percentage of people are using GLPs, alongside working with a good fitness coach. Because that's what you need, by the way. What you need when you're in a GLP is a good fitness coach.

First off, yes, you need to strength training, but you don't just strength training. Strength training needs to be done appropriately. And when you're in a sub-calorie diet, it's even more important that the strength training is done appropriately. Number two, strategies around diet switch. They change. They used to be, how do I prevent myself from overeating? Now they're, how can I eat adequate calories and adequate protein when I have no appetite?

Right. And coaches, good coaches know the strategies to work around this. And then number three, can I learn to modify behaviors in a way to where this isn't a permanent thing? I don't have to stay on this for the rest of my life. And so I see this totally becoming, for a lot of people, becoming a big trap. Yeah, they're leapfrogging a lot of the disciplines that are required with knowing how to navigate through, you know, body composition.

It's like, it's tough because it's almost like, okay, well, you know, when, the pill for just like, now I don't have to work out. I have to, you know, I can just take this and then I have these fake muscles. Oh, you go, the anti-muscle loss. Right. It's like, it's, it's just the same type of mentality. It's like, let's remove the work unless, but it doesn't, it doesn't play out that way and your body doesn't, you know, react the way people are expecting.

Speaking of the pill, the pill version is out too. It's full on marketed on the GOP pill. Yeah, yeah. It's full for, which I can't imagine how many people. I think a majority of Americans will be on GLP. You called that. And, you know, admittedly, I've 100% flip-flopped my stance on it. And I can say that, too, while also still saying, it can be amazing for the right person.

The right client with, like you said, coaching and support. We have a lot of clients, okay? You know, we service a lot of clients here. And there's a large percentage of them that use GLP wants. So I do want to make that clear that I'm not flip-flopping. of becoming pro to anti it. It's just that I thought, and I remember arguing with you

when we first talked about this, it would be a net positive. Even with, I knew some of this was coming, right? There was no, this is not like a surprise. What's a surprise is the percentage of it. It's like, I thought, you know what? Of course there's going to be a bunch of people abuse everything, right? Of course there's always going to be the abusers

and people that shouldn't take it that are going to do it. I knew that. But I still thought, because obesity is such a large percentage of our population, that it would still be a, net positive for us. I don't know. No, the problem with that is when it's interesting,

when you look at the data, people who are overweight, people who are fit and overweight. Now, we're not talking about severe obesity. Like just tons and tons of pounds overweight. But typical overweight, okay? When someone's fit and overweight, if they're strong and overweight,

they have better longevity than somebody who is weak and underweight. Okay. So this is what's happening. What's happening is people are losing lots of weight and becoming frail. I have a friend of mine who has a family member who went on a GLP to lose weight. And he came back and we're talking about this. And he's like, I could see the boniness in his shoulders.

I can see what's happening. And I'm trying to communicate to him. Like, I know you're losing a lot of weight, dude, but I think half of it is muscle. And the guy responded and said, yeah, I do feel weak. I do feel like I don't have any strength. Yeah. But again, it becomes a trap because we like to see the scale move down. It's almost what I wish they're required.

coaching and, you know, proper nutrition plan with it, you know, in combination. But yeah, for just people to have access without that type of education. What we're seeing are better, we're seeing better lipid numbers. We're seeing better, you know, like blood measurements. But we're also seeing a sarcopenia. We're starting to see osteopenia. So bone weakening, muscle weakening. And we haven't been on them long enough to start to see the falls, the breaks,

the immobility type of stuff. but that's definitely coming. Then you have people who are chasing longevity fads and ignoring the basics. This is the Brian Johnson effect. That's what I'm calling that, right? Yeah, totally. It's totally turning.

I saw actually, this is why I saw this on your list. I thought, oh, this is cool. I wanted to talk about this anyways, because I'd seen a few people pop up in my feed that are taking some pretty strong stances. Because I don't know, I feel like we were celebrating a lot of the things that he was doing for so long. And one of the things the person was asking,

is like, man, I would love to see, like, they talk all about his blood markers and his sleep score and he's getting on all these crazy things. It's like, I'd like to hear about like his mental health, his relationships with his, you know, family and friends and what he does on his free time. And like, it's like this thing has consumed your life all chasing this idea of adding 20 more years potentially to your life. And I know I made the kind of joke the other day, tongue and cheek about, you know, you get hit by a bus at 75. And it's just like, What was that all for? You know what I'm saying?

So you have to ask yourself, like you spend that much of your life dedicated to try and chase this longevity thing of living forever when you potentially may not live any longer than you else. He's the extreme, but I think the trap that a lot of people will fall into because Brian Johnson does everything.

He does everything, everything, everything, which is dysfunctional. Let's be honest. It's kind of orthorexic, right? Yeah. But I think the average person falls into the trap into this trap because they don't focus on the basics and they focus on the longevity fad part,

believing that the fad is going to give them the biggest bang for their buck. So a good example. Here, I'll give you a simple, a stupid analogy. It'd be like someone going to the grocery store and buying super organic, you know, locally sourced candy.

But they're not getting the chicken to rice, potatoes, and vegetables, right? They're just like, they're eating food that is not healthy, but they're getting it and making sure that it's like super organic, super clean. It's got the, all these, you know, different things that I've read that are supposed to be good, but it's candy. It's still candy.

Still potato chips. You're not eating, you're not focusing on the basics. So this can happen with things like, and these things are real value, right? Like Red Lai, sauna. Like all these things have like real value. All the compounds you could take that work on your mitochondria. That's, I was just going to say, that's a better example for me is the all the peptides that are out for mitochondrial health, for increasing telomeres, for doing all these things, right? And then you're, you're driving through taco.

bell and then you're doing your drink until two in the morning. You did like blood transfusions when you just needs to work out. Yeah. There's, we're doing these. And this was a conversation I had with Shalene Johnson when she interviewed me when I was in Florida. A lot of it was around all these like longevity peptides and all these things I think about it. I'm just like, listen, they are amazing.

They're all, it's all great stuff. Red light therapy. Amazing. All these things are amazing. But it's like the amount of people that are putting that in front of the basic, hitting their protein intake consistently or getting good nights rest. It's like, and those things, like, the analogy I gave her is like, listen, you could take all of these crazy peptides, do all the light, red light there, but you can do all the stuff with that. And if I can get a client to improve their sleep by 20%, it trumps all that stuff.

They don't have to have perfect. Just improve it by 20%. That one thing will move the needle than more than all of those things. So you have to attack it that way. It's like, now granted, if you're the person who's checking all the boxes, then yeah, why not? Cool. Add that stuff.

But it's like we're so focused on these quick hacks. I'm in a text thread with family members. I won't out who this person was, but they sent a picture of a product. It was like a mushroom drink product. So I had all the medicinal, you know, mushrooms that have all the health benefits and stuff. Hey, should I?

Corticeps and all this. You know, all these lions main. Right now. And it was a good product, right? I saw all the ingredients. I saw the doses look like a good product. Like, hey, what do you think of this? Now I know this guy.

I know him because I'm related to him. So he sends it, I'm like, bro, you're putting a spoiler on a 1991 civic. Yeah. Like, let's do the stuff that's going to move the needle. Let's exercise and eat right before drinking this mushroom drink. Yeah. Because it's not going to make that big. Yeah.

Totally. Then we have the, you know, chasing aesthetics over everything. So rather than focusing on the things that cause the aesthetics, the end result, or the side effect, we're focusing on the side effect. So the snatched waist, you know, I want to look this particular way. I want to, and they're chasing that through diet and exercise and ignoring performance, ignoring energy, ignoring strength, ignoring stamina, ignoring how they feel in pursuit of a look. And this is backwards. This is a backwards formula. The truth is if you focus on improving your fitness and your health, the aesthetics always, always follow.

You always look better when you improve your health and you become stronger and you improve. improve your stamina. It always follows. What doesn't always follow is when I chase the aesthetics that I get everything else. I don't always get the health. I don't always get the performance. And oftentimes I get nothing. I get neither because I'm chasing the wrong thing. We've talked about this. Well, I mean, I think this is the entire fitness space. I think that this is and I think this is why it's this kind of perpetual cycle is because the people that are communicating the message largely are still cursed by this. You know, driven by our insecurities.

Still the cell, yeah. Yeah, driven by our insecurities of whether we were the overweight kid or the skinny kid that didn't have muscle, but we're driven by the way we look. And we were so obsessed with that that we got to a place where we now have the aesthetics. We look awesome. And then now we communicate health and fitness through that lens to the masses. And so we're just breeding this whole... The visual side effect.

Yeah. So we are now just breeding this whole generation of people coming up thinking that this is the pursuit of health and fitness. Someone who is really fit and someone who is really healthy. So someone's really fit and healthy. They probably look pretty darn good. Okay. Somebody who chases the look oftentimes sacrifices health, sacrifices their fitness. And the aesthetics don't follow.

In fact, the aesthetics tend to drop because they become less healthy. They lose their performance in pursuit of this look. and they get none of it. So it's a total, complete trap. It reminds me of other things we tend to look at. And we know this, by the way. We know that there's more value in what's creating the side effect than the effect itself. So, for example, I don't think it's a mystery that a man who has high net worth is more attractive to a woman.

But if you took two men with the same net worth and you actually told the women what they did, this guy got it because he's a trust fund, baby. This guy over here built his business and created it. Who do you think becomes far more valuable? Yeah, yeah, okay. We know. Yeah. Because it's really not the, the money that, that is valuable.

It's really the character that's built through the lead to it. Yeah. I got the, I got the segue here a little bit. I got the most interesting, strangest, like, compliment or conversation starter ever. I was out with my kids hanging out and this dude also in his mid-40s. Probably your boot. No, no. Why is it always coming from a dude?

That's what, first of all, I mean, that's how it makes a weird. That's always, I mean, I know. How many, you go, we're probably all in this room. count on one hand how many times a woman comes up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One time, eight three. Girl set ahead, nice arms. Exactly.

I'll never forget it, dude. Yeah, so I actually start working out. No, I'm out. I'm out at the park when my kids were hanging out, and there's another guy, and he's got his kids there, and he's his 40s, and he's like, hey, man. And I thought, like, he's, oh, he must listen to the show, you know?

Hey, dude, he goes, where'd you get your joggers? I'm like, oh, these are. You're your Viori's. Yeah, these are Viori. Yeah, these are Viori joggers. He's like, what's the name? Like Sunday joggers? He's like, those look so good, dude.

He's like, he's like outlined your legs. He kept telling me how good, hey, he kept telling me how good they look, you know, that I got a little uncomfortable. I was like, whoa, bro. Really like, hold your package. He's like, I've been looking, not that far. Yeah. I've been looking for joggers that do that.

That really, he's like, do what? What's you talking about? What's happening? Hug my glutes like that. Yeah, describe. But he literally's like, give me the name, give me the brand. And I'm like, well, we're, you know, we're sponsored by them. You're not like baggy.

That's like form fits you. Yeah, I gave him more discount coat and everything. So it was pretty funny, but I've never had a man. It's amazing how much they have taken over the space. I don't know when the last time Doug checked the update. I'd be curious to see where the company is. I see him everywhere. Everywhere.

In fact, I would say nine times out of ten, if I see a dude wearing joggers or athleisure wear, it's almost always. The Sunday joggers, is that one of their top sellers? It has to be. I think so. I think it's definitely one of top sellers. It's still my core shorts, I think. It's still my favorite.

I like the seaside. That's the other one, right? That's the sweats, yeah. I like them, but they're so hot. They're warm. Oh, yeah. They're really cozy. Oh, it's magical.

But now that's warming up, I'll stay there. I wear them all the time. You know, Sunday joggers, which is funny, because I have probably 10 pairs of those were my original favorite. And then I, the meta joggers, I move, that's what I wear now more. Really? Yeah. They're just a little, like.

I see, they're a little thinner. Yeah. Yeah. So they're, so they're, they're, they're, I'd say they're both as breathable, though, and comfortable. What, uh, what I like about these is a, I, I feel. I feel a little more dressed up than I feel in those. Those I feel a little more athletic workout and more comfy.

I worked out this morning this way. Yeah. And so this I feel like I can kind of style up a little bit more, but both are fired for sure. I got to tell you about work. So I don't know if this is going to happen or not, but this might be exciting. So I was hanging out. I was with my daughter yesterday. And lacrosse is over.

School's done. And I did a workout. I trained her in the garage. And she hadn't lifted in a little while because during lacrosse, she couldn't lift that much of a practice. so much. And then she took a little break, trained her. And she's commenting on how she feels weak. You know how it is when you get back to working out. You don't feel stable. So we're talking. I'm like, and so then an idea came to me. And I'm like, this would be such a great. And we'll see. I'm not going to push her. But this would be such a great bonding experience. But also what I've found

is that I have so much more influence with my daughter when I'm training her. It just opens up conversation. I think she submits to my authority because she knows I know fitness, which which opens up other doors of advice, I guess. Yeah. So it's just a really good, like, community, like, time to bond. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm like, I wonder if she would be down to work out with me in the morning, right? Now, I know, you're thinking of early morning.

In the morning's on summer, right? No school week or other. Yeah, yeah. It's a big ass. But I know my daughter, she's kind of got a similar personality to me. It's like, she gets that kind of like. Yeah, she's obsessed with it. She'll do it.

Well, she's like, she's kind of a killer, right? So I go in her room, she's, she's chilling. And I'm like, hey, I'm like, so how Jack do you want to get this, summer. She goes, she looks at me. She goes, real jack. I said, if you want to get real jacked, I said, I'll let, I said, I don't ever do this. I said, nobody, I don't do this with anybody. I said, but I'll let you work out with me in the morning, but you got to meet me at the gym about 645 and do the thing. She's like, all right, I'll do it. Really? Yeah. We'll see, though. We'll see. We'll see if she'll be really. It's summertime, bro. She's going to have to wake up early. Yeah, that's not. That's like, that's crazy. Because I told her that, I'm like, I'll just go home and go back to sleep. I'm like, okay. That's fair. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. But it'll be rad, dude. I get a problem with that.

Worked out. Is, uh, is next year into high school? She's a junior next year. A junior? Yeah. You didn't know that? No. She's 16, bro.

Yeah. Oh, my God. She's the same grade as Ethan. God, bro. I feel like it's been so long since I've been with your daughter then, dude. I've never been around her in a long time. Not since she's had her license, then. Yeah.

I can't wish she'll be a junior in high school already, bro. Oh, my God. And then yours are what grades right now? Yeah, so same. Junior. And then 8. grade will be next year for Everett. Oh, Everett's going, oh, I thought he was going in high school then.

He's not going on high. He's got one more. One more, yeah. Oh, wow. So he'll be, they'll be in high school for one year together, senior and freshman. That'll be interesting. Yeah. Do you think they'll talk to each other? I mean, kind of. There already have interactions somewhat on campus, but like, it's funny because, like, some of Everett's friends, like they, this one kid knows Ethan and doesn't like him. He's like, oh, that's your brother. Oh, wow. all this intel, you know, like, it's funny because, like, I think he had some weird

interaction with him and doesn't like him. But, yeah, he's, he still looks up to him a lot. Like, Everett looks up to Ethan a lot. And so it'll be interesting to see him having to drive him to school and all that. And then, like, you know, the crossover of friends doesn't really mesh, but, uh, he does have, like one or two friends that, like...

Now, both you guys were in school with your siblings too, right? I was for... Your sister, I believe, was a friend. freshman when I was a senior. And yours is two years. So mine was, my sister and I are two grades apart also. Yeah.

Now my poor sister. I acted like I didn't know him though. Yeah. My sister and I did not talk. I would say hi to my sister. We'd hang out together, but I would say hi to her and stuff like that. But my poor sister,

if you talk to her now, she thought, my sister was beautiful. Very, very, very pretty girl in high school especially. And she thought she's like, no boys were interested in her. But it's because I made sure

nobody talked to her. You're scared him off. All of them. All of them. Nobody dared talk to my sister, dude, so overprotective. My sister was like,

we hung out with different clicks for sure. So my sister was, my sister was like the anti-chereleader jock group. Skater, stoners, like, came at that and talk shit about the jocks and the cheerleaders.

And I was thinking to all that, you know, so that was the group that I hung out. Even though I hung out with everybody and I had stoner friends, skater friends, she was particularly part of the group that was like super anti.

I was kind of in the, every group, but like mainly jocks but then my brother was like super nerd. And so I'd hang out with a lot of nerds as a result just to try to like, you know, relate somewhat to my brother. You're trying to improve your DEI score? Yeah, with the nerds.

That's, yeah. So he's not just a lot of the same thing. I just didn't hang out in those like conventions. Do you know what kids are doing right now? Like crazy? When our staff is doing even, heckysack. Like crazy. It's everywhere.

Yeah, yeah. I saw some kids the other day wearing big ass pants. I was doing that with my kids. I'm like, I'm looking at them hacking. It was outside of church. I saw it because of hitting the hacky sack. Yeah, I'm like, are you guys kidding right now?

So back circle, dude. I'm actually kind of curious to see how good I was supposed to be out. I used to be pretty good at it. I don't know how good I'd be. See, I never did. I'm so mad. I would have loved if I knew how to hacky sack to jump in. This was like how, because this takes me back to like not having any money as a kid, right?

Like we started. You had to make your own hacky sack? No, listen to this. We started with ice. So at our, you had a hockey sack ice? Yeah, yeah. So in eighth grade and in my freshman year in high school,

we would at lunchtime go get like a cup of, you know, we'd go get like a drink. And then you'd have the ice cubes in there. And a guy, that's what you'd start to circle, kick it out. And then we'd we'd hack ice around until we'd make her way to. Oh, I feel so bad. He's made funny. Yeah.

That's like, like, guys, we had a rock. Yeah. He pretended. No, I mean, eventually somebody, some kid shows up and they had a hacky sack. But that was, like, the go-to move was we'd hacky-sack ice until someone had a hacky-sacky-sacket. Oh, that's funny. How much of hacky-sacks? How much they cost?

Not very much. Three bucks. But I mean- Ice was the move. Remember those big blocks you could get like 7-Eleven? We would take those and we'd go ice blocking on a golf cart or golf courses. What is that? You know what that is?

No. We used to do that too in high school. Yeah, yeah. We'd sit on and put like an, you know, like an old t-shirt or something over the top of it. But you could, like, slide on top of it. You'd sit on it or you'd like, you'd like, No way. First time I was arrested was doing that.

Wait a minute. Back up. First time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. First of all you were arrested. Let alone more than that was the only one. Well, I mean, okay, I shouldn't.

I wasn't booked. You know what I was handcuffed? You got arrested? You got handcuffed and thrown in the back of a cop car. And then they just. For ice what? Yeah, I'd scare a bunch of high school kids. Because we would do that.

Like trespassing. Yeah, we'd be out, we'd be out in the golf course. And we, and that was a thing to do. You go out there. Now, we were also drinking, too, which we weren't supposed to be doing. So you bring a case of beer out there. I forget what hole was. How were you?

Sophomore, junior. No, no, I didn't really start drinking until junior year. So junior and senior year high school. Yeah, yeah, junior and senior year high school. So you're out there drinking beers and sleigh. So we had a friend. So one of our close friends had a house on the golf course. And his parents used to travel and be gone all the time.

So his house was the house. We all met at. That's where we'd show up with the case of beer and the blocks of ice. And then he was, it was not that far of a hike to what. what hole I remember what hole it was, hole five or something like that, that had the good steep hill that you'd go to. And then we would just,

you'd plop the case of beers down and you just take turns on racing the ice, blocks ice down. It was a blast. You know what's so funny about that as a dad now, as a middle-aged dad? If you saw some 16-year-old kids doing that, drinking and sliding down ice,

you'd be like, oh, well, you know why? I'm going to kick those kids. Well, because you pay the HOAs on the house. You'll say, that's like your lawn. You know what you, when you have a house on the golf course, that's like your lawn. And you pay top dollar for H-O-A. See, but now I'm...

Get off my lord, kid. I'm in this weird conundrum now, though, because, like, you know, I don't want the kids on devices and I don't want them at the house. And they're exploring and they're doing stuff with their friends. And so now I'm like, I'm actually giving them ideas that are like, you know, kind of suspect a little bit. Like, I was like, okay, so here's this one spot where you can get underneath the fence for this Corey. And then you guys can sandboard down all this. Bro, what are you doing telling them that?

And I'm like, dude, we used to do it. All the time. Nobody got in trouble. I think that's, so my buddy Mike and I talk about this a lot too because he's got his kid is like early years of high school right now too. And his kid, he knows that his kids were like addicted to tech.

And he goes, and I couldn't get my kid to come out in the cars with me. Couldn't get him to do anything. And he finally is into like those electric, you know, dirt bikes that are cool. And he's like, he's got a little crew and they mob around all over.

And those things aren't supposed to be on the street. They get busted. They've been busted by the car. And so. He's like, you know, he's torn on this, like, cracking down on his kid and really being hard on him for doing that. He doesn't want to ground him. At the same time, too, he's not supposed to do certain things on that. But he's like, man, I'm so rather him get in trouble.

Even with the cops who are, like, busting him for driving on the road when he's not supposed to, then it's him being cooped up in the house and just being on tech. And I agree. I told him. They're like at the point now where they want to sleep out in the forest and this and that. And, like, Courtney's like, oh, freak. I'm like, yes. Let them do that. like they need to do they need to explore like they need to have like these like adventures it's true

dude you guys this this is not connected to what you guys saying but you reminded me of do you guys hear about the lost gados mom that got oh yeah yeah yeah no she just got like bro was it 40 years or something they call her the lost that was partying with all the lost got that's been going on for a minute yeah she they just came down on her like she was been in court and I think she got a big jail she got a big jail sentence yeah she did I saw when that case first came up and so she got It's in our neighbor. It's right in our backyard. And I guess she was hosting parties with kids, high school kids.

She would let them drink and let them do things that were a bit provocative. I guess a few girls felt like they were sexually harassed. That's why she got in trouble was that part, right? Well, also, you were serving kids alcohol who were underage. None of the parents knew. Yeah, but see, I'm torn on that, right? Because I had, I don't know if you guys had a house. Like one of my buddies, Kenny, his parents, were cool like that.

They were home. I think it was the sex stuff. That's what I think, too, because... No, that's the part that really got her in trouble. That's why I think so, too. And that's obviously not. That's way not appropriate. But I thought his parents were so cool like that.

We never fucked up and got in trouble anything stupid because we were so appreciative that they allowed us to come to the house and do that. They would take all of our keys, couldn't drive anywhere and stuff like that. But you also got to understand, like if you, if someone lets their kids stay at your house, and the parent doesn't know that you're letting them drink,

even if they don't have, getting a car accident or anything. It doesn't matter. You get big trouble. Yeah. Well, I saw I have a, I have a buddy. Because I'd be pissed on. I won't sell them out, but they are a lot of times are the house that allows to do that. But they also talk to all the parents before they do that. That's different. Like, hey, your son's sitting there. There's an agreement. Yeah, it's different. There's a different. Because if I sent my kid to a house and I didn't know that their parents were, oh, my God. Oh, I know. I'd be. Did you find out what a prison sentence was, Doug? Oh, yeah, 35 years. In 10 months.

Five, five months. Had to be sexual stuff. There was. Oh, definitely. That had to be. She was. She was. like getting them super drunk and then they're having them Right, she was encouraging them to like. She was. I think I remember reading the article like she would get them drunk and then she would, you should kiss, you should kiss him and her.

What is it with this wave of women that are doing this? All these female teachers that are doing stuff with kids and all these like, it used to be a guy. I don't think it's just people who are now talking. I think more out in the open. Yeah. Like it was underground. I think a lot more back of the day.

I just don't think it would be common. Because I know percentage wise, it's typically like men are the president. in that case. Yeah. But I keep seeing reports of like female teachers and like moms. I know. And what are you guys doing? I think nobody saved.

I think with the with phones, it's so much easier to get caught up with proof that stuff like that is happening and sharing and talking and all that stuff like that is now documented versus word of mouth of like, hey, you know, Miss Johnson had a party. Like that's how it would be in the past where now it's like texts and photos and videos. And well, it's thinking back though, it's like I knew at least two. two or three dudes that, like, had, you know, relations with a teacher. No way. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And karate Chris, dude. Karate Chris. This guy was. One of the best nicknames were. Bro. How did he end up with that awesome? I could throw him in a box because nobody knows who it is. I don't know who karate is.

I feel like, because I had a karate Chris that went to my school, which was the kid at recess was like practicing karate. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, older guy. Shadow boxing. My brother knew him. That's all I'm going to say.

But he's the guy that would like go by. like nunchucks and all this and he was like really into weapons. So I nicknamed him and cry Chris. And you find out later you know like him and this like science teacher and I'm like what dude? This is crazy. But he was like that kid that kind of matured

a little early had like a beard in sixth grade and just like you know. So I think you know that whatever. But yeah it happened. So that's the thing. It's like it was sort of like not talked about but I think now social media When I, we were, we were 16 and 17 when I got him a job at the dairy. Oh, yeah.

He was sleeping with the boss's wife. Oh, my God. How was he? She was 30 and he was 16. That's horrible. And that was like, that's horrible. You know? God, that's horrible.

Well, what it was really. Imagine the husband. Yeah. Finding out, oh, guys, like, there's like levels to. I don't even know if he ever did or not, to be honest. I know they divorced. I mean, I mean, if they know who you are and they list this episode. Yeah.

Wow, bro. Adam used to work for us? I mean, it's old. You know what I'm saying? They've been long divorce, remarried, and stuff like that. I wouldn't put that stuff out there. That was a long time ago. 30 years ago, dude.

My brother said to call me after this. You bet you're crying, Chris. That's my buddy. That's terrible. He worked his out. Was it his moves? But that kid celebrated, just like my buddy, my buddy was. He's not, that's not like, oh, my God, she took his family.

No. Yeah. You guys, you guys, you guys, like, he had, he had, he used to keep the letters that she used to write him. Oh my God. And bring him to school. This is making me so uncomfortable. It's wild. You know what's crazy about this? Because I know, and I definitely think there's a difference between a girl and a boy in that situation. I do think

there's a difference. But it's very damaging still for boys. Well, there's a huge difference because a 60, my buddy, even though he's only 60-17, was squatting 300 pounds, could bench press 225. If he wanted to throw her off, you absolutely could. That's a huge difference. A 30-year-old man with a That young of a girl. There is a difference. We all know this instinctively.

We know this. It's still damaging. It's still damaging. Like you have a 16 year old son. Yeah. And Matt, so here's the problem. The problem is his grown man,

we can't put ourselves into the mind of a 16 year old because we think of ourselves now. But imagine if like your 16 year old you found out one of your friends, one of his friends' moms was hooking up with your kid. You'd be furious. Oh, yeah. You'd be furious because she's a grown ass adult. Like, what are you doing my kid?

Yeah. And it does cause, it still causes damage. It's still illegal. So, God. Yeah. God. Those sports events will be

so uncomfortable. Hey, I wanted to finish the GLP one talk. I didn't want to, I knew you were on your fitness talk, but I meant to tell you something else that was a part of this, like, talking to everybody. You know the other thing that I found out

that's like happening like crazy? And I don't know why. Of course I should have thought of this. I talk a lot about how similar the peptide space is to the, how it was the campus space. So many parallels. Yeah, yeah, dude.

One of the other crazy parallels that I remember was the clubs, because of all the taxes and all things like that. Like the prices that we had to run cannabis for were so high that it also drove the black market. Sure. Right? And so the black market and peptides is reaching the average person now.

Is it gray market or black market? So what they're doing, it's gray. Okay. Is it research chemicals? So it's, I think it's black because you're buying from a gray and then you're reselling like not legitimately, which make you black market.

So what's happening are these average people that are not like legit. big companies, pharma regulations. Yeah, people hustling that have got lots of friends that are asking the Imbody ones. They have got connections and they're buying in bulk

off the gray market. Oh, from China. Yes, from China. And they're getting these GLP ones for say $100 something dollars a vial, turning around and selling them for four or $500 a vial because Mongero

something's like $1,000 for a... And people are buying it up like crazy. And so these people are making you know, thousands of dollars on the side, hustling to their friends, GLP ones. And that was... How not how hard it is to buy bulk research peptide from China? Not hard.

People I was talking to weren't... Wow. And what are they doing? They're just buying it and they're parsing it out. No, I think they're getting it ready to go in the bottles and everything like that. They just have to send it right over to the people. What's crazy about that is you're injecting... I mean, I understand taking a pill off the gray market,

are you injecting yourself with something? No. So scary to me. So sketchy. Both are sketchy. Both are still. Both are sketchy. That's wild.

Yeah, it is. So that's, that's growing. Oh, big time. Big time, big time. And that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was a third, there was a third party. I can't remember. I got to find the link that did, that tested a bunch of research chemical companies that sold peptides. Uh-huh.

92% of them came back. It was our guy. As legit. 92% came back as legit. Oh. Now, they showed this as a success. Yeah. But I'm like, 8% still came back as something else.

Like, that's kind of crazy. Because, you know, FDA regulates 100%. Yeah, 100%. But it's still better than I thought it would be. Now, I would imagine... Now, Phil went and did the same thing, and he said, like, more than half came up. That's what he said. Yeah.

I'd like to see you, though. He would... Yeah, I mean, you can access it. He said, I'll show it to you. So he's got a bunch, and he went through a lot of the, like, most reputable gray ones, too. It's not like he just did... I mean, these are like random Joe Smows that are just getting from China.

We're not even talking about people that have become built brands online and actually probably have a legal team and some things in place. Like, we're talking about friends that are just like hustling it. Like, this is black market. This is buying from gray market in bulk, turning around selling to your family and friends for a 4x multiplier and hustling it all day long. Yes. That's good margin.

It's crazy. That's crazy. I got a study on Reservoir. resistance training, I want to talk. It's a more recent study. And I like this one because they compared resistance training to aerobic exercise, and then they compared it to no exercise. So here's what they did. They took 304 adults, okay, between 20 to 74, who followed a low calorie diet. So these people ate in a calorie deficit. And some of them did resistance training. Some of them did aerobics exercise and some of them did no exercise, but they were all in a calorie deficit.

Here's what they found. This was a long study, by the way. It was, uh, this was done for, let me see. They checked it at five months. So it's a long study. Yeah. Resistance training produced the greatest reduction in fat mass. So similar weight loss.

In other words, the people who did aerobic training and the people who did resistance training, similar weight loss on the scale, but resistance training. lost more body fat and gained a little bit of muscle, whereas aerobics training lost muscle with body fat. So now we have another study comparing head-to-head, strength training to cardio for fat loss. And we've said this before. Take that, bunnies.

Both are valuable. So I'm not going to say they're not valuable. Both are valuable. If you want stamina and endurance, aerobic exercise is phenomenal. Sure. If you have to just pick one and your goal is fat loss. Resistance training is best. That's right.

It's, for what? For fat loss, it's terrible. That's why I stand by what we've said for day since day one. It's like cardio is terrible for fat loss. Great for cardiovascular health and endurance and stamina. And so it has its benefits, but it's like it's the wrong tool. If you want to get fat loss. You want to get shredded.

You want to look good. That's your goal, which by the way is like the goal of like 90% of the people that listen and that buy programs or get a personal trainer is I want to look better. If that's the case, it's a terrible tool. Yep. And so it's wild how much how that's still the, the button that everybody has and i like it that's a large it's just these nerd trainers it is our trainers are just trainer not our trainers but try i mean no like the ones that are yeah

i was in by it's like so hard for me to work out and watch this happen because i just you i'm i'm in the gym and i'm working out and you know a 20 person class comes in and it is a massive they are doing these side shuffles to the next station, which is walking lunges, to the next station, which is farmer carries, to the next station, to the next station, which is the next station, which is lap, pull down with it.

And it's just a 20-minute, non-stop, busing 20 people through all of it. I'm going like, circuit of madness. Oh, my God. Like, if these people only knew, they could have spent 10 minutes doing two really good exercises, like squats.

Traditional strength training. Yeah. Better results. Or if that's all you want to get, you could have not signed up for the class and just done jumping jacks the whole time. Yeah. And you'll get the same results that you're going to get from. Just, just hard, hard to watch. Hard to watch and see all these people in there going like, man, they would just benefit from doing a, doing two good compound lifts with rest periods, spend half the time in the gym and get triple the results from from what they're doing.

I know. Yeah. All right. I want to talk about, we had somebody write in and talked about one of the benefits they got from improving their liver enzymes. I didn't realize. Well, I did realize, but when they talked about it, I looked it up. You know what one of the number one signs that your liver is a little overloaded is? Skin, itchy skin, acne, dark patches on your skin.

So I recommended, of course, dose. Or they use dose, I should say. Got their liver enzymes better and saw improvements in their skin. But I knew this about liver enzymes. When they're elevated, you could get itchy skin. But I don't realize it contributes to things like acne and dark patches. I just recommend a dose to two of my friends this weekend. So I can't wait to hear.

I have two friends I'd consider healthy. One guy looks like lean. And I would have never guessed he had high cholesterol. And then another one of my- So you have them with the cholesterol version. Yes. Both of them are both healthy guys. Both healthy, active guys.

But one of them I know genetic runs in their family, high cholesterol. both his parents on both sides. And so he's like, man, I just got the shitty gene pool or what about that. But a good eater, you know, he's a wine drinker. Not crazy, but like, you know, healthy, fit, active. And then the other one doesn't run in his family. And he's lean. And I was super surprised that he had that also.

So both of them give him a couple recommendations on the diet as far as like what you back off a little bit of the red meat. Well, we're, how many weeks in are we into your experience? I think I'm about 10 days to 14 days in. And you're going to do 30 days or 60 days? I think it's 24 doses. Okay. I'm doing three bottles and I think eight doses per bottle. So you did your blood test, you're going to do it again.

Yeah. So I'll follow my two buddies too and see if they got it. I still have about almost a bottle and a half. So I must be about halfway through this. Oh, good. And then you're going to do the blood test and then we'll see the difference. Yeah. I'm going to do it as soon as I get through the protocol here.

That's awesome. Don't let me forget. I'll follow up with my guy because I literally. two people I recommend it with this this weekend. And so I'm curious if they bought it already. And I want to know if that makes a difference, just doing that with some diet changes. I got some investment stuff, Adam,

that I think you would define pretty good. Okay, let's hear. Because, you know, we talk about off air. We're not an investment podcast, but off air, we like to talk about stuff like this. We don't act like we know what we're doing. Because normally we don't. Let's be honest.

I'm not going to give advice. We say things. I remember when we were more open, sorry, cut you off. This just reminds me of like, when we were talking a little bit more about that, like how many people were asking me, for like stock picks.

Do not listen to me about stock picks. I'll just be telling you right now. I have no idea what I'm doing. So if five years ago, you bought the average house in San Jose. So this area, very expensive. Yeah, yeah. You know the real estate market here is always high appreciation and everything. Yeah.

So five years ago, you bought the average house here or you took that money and bought an index fund in the stock market. Just an index fund. Yeah. What's the difference? About 22% on the index fund. on the housing market, probably 12 to 15. Correct with the house, a 100% increase on the index.

100? You would double your money. Oh, you definitely chose the date. It was perfect. You would have doubled your money if you just bought. Now, why this infuriates me, which other people who probably invest also, is because I try to pick stock.

And all of them perform worse than if I just buy a freaking index. So you know what I did today? So I literally did this today. And I did it in my son's portfolio because I still could be better about that. And then I'm going to follow mine after I talked my tax guy with some stuff.

I sold off all my bullshit picks. Sold everything off. Oh, your bed. I sold all my, all of it all. My son's, well, yes, all of them. Sold them all off literally today. So I'll check the account.

I think it'll be, it'll be available for me to move tomorrow. And then I've already, it's all going straight in. No, yeah, but I mean, no, no, this is my sons that I'm doing this in.

I figure I'd start with his first. And then I'm going to, I'm going to move all of it into an index fund. and I'm just going to auto. I'm not going to look anymore. I'm not going to pick anymore. I'm just going to leave it for this exact conversation. What's your...

I was just wondering if they specified which index. It was a single index. QQQQ was the one I did, which is a little tech heavy. They all, though, I've looked at all of them. They're all right around the same. You know, if you think the economy's going to grow, then index funds are pretty much a good, you know, a good deal. The argument for against them...

I get it. It's because what you just did, too, by the way. I know I picked the last five years. Well, you also, we also, you probably picked buying at the lowest five years ago at whatever date you chose. 2021 would have been. Yeah, yeah. So whatever it was, was when it was at peak low if you bought and then you wrote it to right now, which is one of the highs. It has that.

But if you bought, say maybe two years before that when it was at the top right before it crashed, you wouldn't have 100% retained. So it does, so a lot of those things can be skewed a little bit, like to make it. We should look up like 20 years ago, 30 years ago. Yeah, yeah. See what the difference is. Yeah. Yeah, timing is everything. Timing is huge.

Like that, so part of what, like, I'm a little nervous about doing this and I'm just like, whatever, this is a long place for my son. That's why I'm starting with it. It's like, am I buying the index towards the top right now? And then I'm, we're going to go on a nice little two, three year dip. And then I'm like, like in 2008, I think the S&P 500 went down 40%. I mean, no matter. Exactly. No matter what.

And so right, right. If you bought right before that, if you went all in like I'm doing right now. You bought right after that. You did really well. Yeah. Then you look brilliant and get 100% returns with that. It's such a psychological thing. You know why I knew those stats before you set them,

even though I was wrong on the stock one, it's supposed to be 20% is like what the last couple of year, or last year it was. Graham Stephan is a kid that I watch. He's not a kid anymore, been watching him for years, that talks investment. And he started his real estate first,

and he has a bunch of real estate properties. Last year, he's sold, or he's in the middle still of selling all of his real estate portfolio and going all into index funds. And his is, one, all of his real estate's in California. And he's trying to do some ADU stuff. He's got rent control issues. So he's got all these things.

And he goes between all those headaches. And he bought early. So he's made good equity. He's like, even with all the equity that I've made and cash flow on rental income, he goes, the amount of headaches that I've dealt with. And the percentage that I've actually made, he goes, that same money in, index, because he's done both, he goes, just destroyed it. He goes, why am I putting up with all those headaches when I can park it in there?

Now, I have a different opinion in why I fought for us so much on the real estate side is like, I like having tangible assets for this, especially all of us with family and kids. Like if shit got really bad, your kid can't go live in your Google stock. No. You know what I'm saying? But your kid could go live at one of our properties. You have to kick someone out there. That might be hard to do.

Well, that's the states that we're in. Yeah. So, you know what I'm saying? So like there is that part. It's like I value having the tangible asset. No, it's in here. But you're right. I mean, the index fund is just done.

But like an idiot, I've treated it like gambling. I know. That was my, my logic was two years ago, I said, okay, enough of the sports gambling. I've been doing so much of it. I'm going to do it with stocks instead. I'm pretty sure I'm better at sports picking bets. I think I got better return. I think I got better returns by gambling on sports that I did on stock.

So, uh, neither learning lesson. Have you got insider information? Yeah. Which, by the way, Trump does that all the time. He'll give you insight. You guys should buy IBM. And then the day after it goes up. Like, what are you doing, bro?

Yeah. By the way, did you guys see the alien.gov website? Uh, what now. I think, did you see what they have up on there? Let me see if it's still there. We'll see if it's still there. Doug, look it up. And then there's a video.

We'll confirm if it's real. because I saw this, I saw this on X a couple days ago. Post it posted up to... This really had like a video of... No, no, watch. Don't say it. Don't say it. I want you, I want Adam to see it. Let me see. I think, because I think you might have seen it just.

I may have seen it, yeah, I'm trying to think. This is the government alien, like they own alien.gov. So, no, there's nothing coming up there. Unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah, no problem. Constructing the narrative is. we speak.

Yeah. Yeah, dude, because they're going to be releasing more stuff. Sure. Way more fun. So the disclosure movie

with Steven Spielberg, I guess is coming out soon. I'm going to watch that. Which, yeah, is interesting. Why are they linking that up to the disclosures?

They're trying to say something like, I don't know if he's like revealing something within that movie maybe. So here it is. Let's see. It almost came up,

Doug. It came up for a second. Oh, you got on the other TV. There we go. The walk. This is on the alien. Gov? Yeah.

For 60 years, the U.S. government has kept a video, right? All right. No way. They're trying to say like there's always been hybrids.

No, no, dude. There's supposed to be a video on there. Why does that look so analog? Oh, no, no, scroll up, scroll up. Okay, so you got to read this. For 60 years, they've kept a secret. Aliens have been walking among us,

living in our neighborhoods and interacting with us in our daily lives. They've shopped in the same stores. Can you scroll down? Attended the same classes as our children and live seemingly normal human existence. With one exception, they do not belong here. Millions arrived under the cover of darkness

and embedded themselves directly in the society. Millions? Countless presidents, congressmen, and senior officials knew exactly what was happening. Instead of protecting American citizens, they chose to cover it up and even accelerate the invasion until one man finally had the courage to tell the truth. Donald J. Trump.

So, hold up, scroll down. There's supposed to be a video, Doug, if you scroll down. Okay, let me see if I got. Tell me this. How much did money did this cost to build a bill? Let's not set the state. You remember I called this on the podcast. Oh, it's not going to show.

I'll just give you the, I'll give you the, I'll give you the finger. Yeah. So you read all that? Yeah. And it's a, it looks like it's like a person silhouette and then they, the alien spaceship picks it up and then puts it over a wall. Yeah. And drops it off. Yeah.

They're talking about aliens, like illegal aliens. Like illegal aliens. This is not like, this is not like, yeah. Bro. It's not real. Not E. Bro, what are they doing, dude? This is whitehouse.gov forward slash aliens.

This is our own government is making jokes. like this dude like the spaceship picks up like a dude that's what it was I saw that and I was like what the fuck did our government put that out oh my what is happening what's happening dude it's a movie dude it's a troll yeah we're we're being played that's what happens when we elect a reality star yeah hey next next is the rock so just get ready for that it's gonna be wwee is gonna be aren't they're gonna have a UFC on the white house law affirmations in a couple weeks on the white house lawn they're gonna have a UFC yeah it's a couple weeks yeah yeah I don't. Oh my gosh.

I know. Cool. I'm starting to believe that when they did the large hydron collider, they turned it on and they flipped us into an alternate reality. And now we're in some crazy, weird alternate reality. Yeah. Things are just weird now. I agree. We're all getting massively troll.

Every day. They weren't little green men. These aliens are the millions of illegals who have been in our country. It's obsessed. I mean, you got to give it to them. They have done a brilliant job of just. sweeping the Epstein files under the right and just moving on. We just forgot about that.

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but quite a bit, I guess it's changed with the issue since then. So I kind of rewrote it a little bit so I could make sure I touch on everything. Yeah, let's go. So a little bit about me. I was a college athlete, and I retired from competing a little over a year ago. After I finished, I began pursuing heavy lifting. In in about six months, I increased all my numbers substantially on all my big lifts.

I was honestly, I was moving more weight than I had ever done before. So, yeah, I was doing really good until last August. I got really sick. put me out for a few weeks. Once I started getting better, I met most of my main symptoms ultimately resolved. I began experiencing a lot of numbness and tingling and all of my limbs, but about 90% of it was concentrated in my left arm.

So this was really strong for about a few days, and then after that it was just kind of on and off for a few weeks. The numbness eventually resolved. I began trying to train again. Almost instantly, I noticed a decrease in strength in pushing motions in tricep exercises specifically. It was like I lost over 100 pounds on my bench, you know, like within those three weeks. And my left side just couldn't do it, like just wasn't able to do anything. I was really super busy with school and work around this time.

So I didn't really think too hard about it. I just figured I was out of shape. Hadn't been doing it for a while. So I just kind of brushed. it off. So for a couple months, I just kept lifting. I didn't really seem to be making any progress, especially left arm wasn't really able to make any progress there. And then eventually, I noticed there was definitely a size difference between the two arms. So I just kind of started hammering away at the left arm because I didn't realize there was a true issue. And so I figured I just needed

a change in programming. I actually ran maps strong because I was like, I just need something new, wanted to push it a little bit, but didn't really get any gains in the pushing. So February started noticing tingling was returning in the arm. Finally had enough after that. And so I went to the doctor. Doctor referred me to a neurologist. I saw a PT, chiropractor. P.T. and chiropractor couldn't figure it out. Finally went to the neurologist. You got an EMG. So revealed, I have a pinch in my elbow and neck. And so the options I was given there were to just wait it out and do some PT, see what happens. I could do an MRI for more info or see a surgeon for a possible nerve release in the elbow. So I chose to just wait it out and see PT because that seemed like the most affordable option, honestly.

And so the new PT who I am seeing thinks that I have a, it's disc related. And so it's just been so many months now. I'm not really sure what to do exactly. I feel like some days it's improving. I feel like maybe I have a little bit of contractability back, but I'm not really sure what to do with my training right now. I'm worried that I'm going to make it worse. So PT doesn't want me to do anything crazy to increase axial load right now.

So I'm not doing heavy squats, overhead work or anything like that right now. Just not really sure what my next move should be in regard to, training and in general because I do have a pretty major strength and balance and pushing between the left and the right now. And I can't seem to be just really not sure what to do about it. Okay. All right. Let's back up for a second, Aden. So what was it that you had when you got really sick? Actually got mono. Okay. And the numbness you had shortly after the mono symptoms started to subside? Yeah, it was really strong. It was like my, I started feeling good and then all of a sudden it hit. I almost went back to the doctor because I thought it might have been something more

serious related to it, but it kind of went away. So correlation with mono? Yeah. So, and then when you had the numbness, I know a lot of it was concentrate on the left side, but you felt kind of all over. Yeah, I initially did feel it a good amount in my left leg, my right arm. But like I said, about 90% of it was just in this arm. Okay. And what sport did you play when you're in college? I was a swimmer. Okay. So there's two possibilities here.

Possibility one is that the nerve impingement is the issue. Possibility two is that the nerve impingement would have been there had they imaged you before you felt any symptoms because you're an athlete. It's actually not that uncommon. Same thing with disc issues. And what you're actually experiencing is, an autoimmune response from the mono infection. And so now I'm not a doctor.

And I'm not a doctor, but I'm going to lean more in that direction because the symptoms occurred right after mono infection, and they did occur bilaterally. So although now it seems to be isolated to the left side, you kind of felt it all over initially. Yeah. So that's the direction.

that I would look. And what I would look, so what can happen sometimes is if the viral load stays relatively, so mono is an interesting infection. And you can get all kinds of weird effects from it. The most common ones are the ones we know about, like fatigue and general malaise. But you can't have kind of lingering issues

with the virus that causes, you know, with that virus. And so I would look at reducing, reducing viral load or looking at that in that direction. So you might want to meet with a virologist and bring this up to them. Because here's the thing with imaging, especially with athletes. If I put an athlete in an MRI or a scan, I'm almost always going to see something. Yeah.

And sometimes it causes symptoms and a lot of times it doesn't. Yeah, like you said. So that's where I would look. The other direction I would look would be at peptides that help modulate the immune system. So this would be things like thymusin alpha, BPC 157, and maybe even thymus and beta. As far as training is concerned, I would definitely train at a moderate intensity at most. Yeah, moderate intensity like symmetry, right? Yeah, because I think it's smart to train unilaterally.

Like Adam just said symmetry, we'll send you that program. I think that's smart. I don't think you should get after it because if I'm right, getting after it's going to make this worse. If they're right, and it is, in fact, just impingement, it's also going to make it worse. So whichever way you look at it, I would go moderate intensity. I would train unilaterally. Go see a virologist. And then look into peptides.

We'll send you a link to the people that we work with at nphorhormones.com because you're going to see all kinds of. of places you can get peptides. A lot of them are what are called gray market. It's actually black market. It's, you know, or you can go through actual medical professionals and you're injecting yourself with like stuff that's made in FDA regulated pharmacy, which is what I'm going to highly recommend that you do. The other things you could do include sauna, red light therapy, supplement with vitamin D, get

good sleep, and get sunlight. These are all things that can help with reducing immune response and helping with viral load. Right. Okay. Yeah, we actually have a juve. So I'll actually, I'll get on that. Yes. So, and you can use it on the whole body.

So now here's a crazy thing with the, with mono and some of the lingering symptoms. They can last a while. Yeah. For some people. So, yeah. So, but most people that resolve. most people it resolves within months. Some people get the weird, like, fatigue symptoms for a year.

Yeah, a year. Now, you had it for a few weeks. I actually know someone who had it for a year. They were exhausted for a year. So it can be weird. Yeah, no, that's what the neurologist also thought it could possibly be viral related as well. Yeah. I don't know.

It's just crazy to think it's been like eight months now and it still could be causing me issues. Yeah. It's not super crazy, dude. Look up mono, look up long, like lingering mono online. And you'll see there's a lot of people who have, who've had that before. Like I said, so it's not super crazy. The good news is, you know, 99.9% of time it'll resolve. But I definitely go to MP hormones, talk with them, and then say, look, I'd like, I need, I need, I want to look at peptides to reduce inflammation and to help my immune system.

because I think I may be having kind of some autoimmune issues related to a mono infection eight months ago. And then they'll be able to recommend the right ones. Okay. Yeah, no, I can definitely do that. Yeah. And then I'd like to hear back from you, dude, because I don't like ending calls like this with mystery.

I want to see what happens. So can we have you on in like a couple months again? Yeah, no, for sure. Cool. And I'm going to send you symmetry. Follow that program for now. Yeah, and just that moderate intensity. Modern intensity, bro.

Just go to the gym. just to feel good. Keep in light. Yeah, don't go crazy. I know it's frustrating because you're, you're an athlete, and so you probably don't know what the hell that feels like to work out at moderate intensity. But just chill for a second. But we'll get to the bottom of this, dude.

Just build better recruitment patterns. So really just be intentional with your mechanics and, you know. Yep. Yeah. And hit after that. And hit the sauna post workout after every workout. Yeah. Also, I do feel like it altered my recruitment pattern a little bit. Like, every time I go to hit anything like chest press-wise,

it feels like my dill just wants to completely take over. Yeah. Yeah. So let's address that. So if you have any kind of immune issue or, you know, related to the virus that's affecting your nervous system, that's what it's going to feel like. So just so you know, like you may have in fact had this kind of impingement issue for a long time, but because now things are inflamed, it's concentrated in those areas.

Does that make sense? So it's like you're susceptible there. This is my theory. But I think it's weird that this all happened when you had mono. Yeah. I think that that's a strange. coincidence. Yeah.

So that's why I'm, that's why I would, that's why I would look in that direction. Okay. Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah.

All right, dude. All right. Yeah. No, I'll do that stuff. Yeah, thanks guys.

We'll see you. All right, man. Yeah, it's been awesome. Thank you. You got it. Yeah,

that's, to me, it's like, uh, the big clues are, it happened when I had Mono. Yeah. And I felt it all over.

And then it got concentrated to this other area. I think it's a valid theory, dude. Like, it's, a year for them to fully recover. It's crazy, dude. Well, it probably doesn't help too when you have these bouts where all of a sudden he sort of feel good and then you push it really, which you know is what he's done, right?

Like he starts to feel a little good and then he probably hits it hard and then it comes back and bothers him again. And so I'm sure that exacerbates. Well, I told you guys about my cousin. He was, uh, he had all these weird symptoms of pain. He thought it was from jiu-jitsu, couldn't figure it out, going to PT. And he got worse. He's like, I can't sleep. This is wild. What's going on? I can't, I can't, I can't, Did I actually hurt myself this bad? And it was like in random places. Areas he was susceptible.

But still, it was like all over. Yeah. And we were talking and he was telling me about how his daughters were real sick. And then after that, and I'm like, wait a minute. Did you start feeling this stuff right around after the... And so I'm like, what kind of illness did they have? And I'm like, dude, it was that virus. That's a childhood disease.

You didn't get it when you were a kid. And this is what it looks like an adult. We looked it up, sure enough. Yeah. That's what it was. And it took months. It took months. And it went away.

Yeah. Our next caller is Jamie from Oklahoma. Hi, Jamie. How you doing, Jamie? Hi. Oh, my gosh. I'm so nervous. So is Justin.

This is so exciting. Don't worry. I have to tell you that I found you originally on Facebook and I was getting these like 30 second to a minute, you know, videos. And I noticed y'all are sitting in front of microphones and I thought, I wonder if they're actually recording a podcast. And lo and behold, I found hours and hours and years and years that I can go. Lots and lots of content. I'm so excited. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for taking my call. Yeah, you got it. How can we help you? So I'll just read my email. I made a little bit of some updates and it too. But hi,

Mind Pump team. My name is Jamie and I'm a 42 year old wife, mom, and long time fitness enthusiast. I recently found your podcast and I'm completely obsessed and listen voraciously whenever I get a chance. Some backstory. I'm just shy of 511 and I'm about 100. I've been a group fitness instructor for 14 years. I teach a class just once per week, and it's a dance strength class. I used to be an avid runner averaging about 40 miles per week, which I know is too much, but I was using running as a way to purge calories. I struggled for about 10 years with anorexia and over-exercise.

I even was diagnosed with osteopenia a few years ago, but have come back out of that by focusing on my diet and a good calcium supplement. Nice. A running injury plus the osteopenia diagnosis finally woke me up that what I was doing wasn't healthy. I currently eat about 1,900 calories a day, and I know I probably need more than that to properly fuel my body, but I'm scared of weight gain on the scale. I consistently eat 150 to 200 grams of protein per day, and I have for about 18 months. I started really focusing on strength training about six months ago.

My goal is to build muscle and look sculpted and toned. I'm currently strength training about five days per week, with two of those days being about 15 minutes and the other three about 45 minutes sessions. I use the elliptical machine three days a week and I teach my strength dance class once per week. I consistently get at least 10 to 12,000 or more steps per day on average. I would really like to grow my glutes, but I've been struggling with inner thigh pain that never goes away. Even when I take more. days off my leg workouts. It's like my inner thighs never recover. I know this pain's holding me back from progressing in my lifts as I feel the pain doing squats, deadlifts, and even hip thrusts. I've seen some strength gains, but I am thinking you're going to tell me I'm not eating enough to keep growing muscle, which is why I've stalled out and progressing further. Should I switch using dumbbells or a kettlebell for my squats since this would be a lighter weight? I would love your thoughts about this pain that's holding me back and what I should do, diet, being wise to really grow significant muscles and some advice on one of your programs that I should

try as well. Okay. Let's start by saying you're doing a good job. You're moving in the right direction. What you came from where you're at and where you're going is obviously in the right direction. But I think your intuition is spot on. We're going to tell you not only do you need to feed more.

You also need to reduce what we're probably doing too. So a combination of the two of them. Okay. And more than likely, this, this, if you have the ability to outsource this, where somebody else is kind of guiding you through it, would highly recommend that just because we've got a lot of experience with helping people through this process. And this is not like an X's and O's or just a formula numbers. The psychology of it is the most difficult part. It's like, you're probably a very disciplined person. I'm sure you're intelligent.

You understand health and fitness. You've been in it for a long time. You already knew what we're probably going to say to you. It's more of letting go and letting somebody else kind of guide you through that. That would be my advice. Jamie, I just want to thank you for calling in because that's really tough and just talking a little bit about your past. So if it's okay, do you mind if I ask you some direct questions? That's just fine.

Okay. You're a mom? I'm a mom, yes, of two kids. Two kids. Okay. So I want you to pretend like you're, as I'm talking to you, like you're talking to your own child. Because that's what's going to help with this. Okay.

Because of your background with anorexia, over training, over dieting, this process is going to be simple in terms of its prescription, but it's going to be really hard. It's going to be so, so hard. When the scale and how you look or even control, these are the big factors that tend to play a role. and all of this, when those are elevated too high, like it's something that you're worshipping, a lot of sacrifices are made to that false God. And the sacrifices look like health. They look like family.

They look like sanity. They look like a lot of things that you're sacrificing on the altar of the scale and maybe the mirror and those types of things, in control. Okay? And I'm sure that's resonating with you. It's really hard. It's really hard.

hard to break free from it. You probably do a really good job of taking care of everybody else, but you can't do that very well if you're not taking care of yourself. I know the wake-up call was osteoporosis, but I'm sure if you look back, now that you're kind of seeing things a little differently, there was probably a lot of signs that led up to that, that maybe weren't as jarring that you may have ignored. So we're a bit of a crossroads, totally fixable. totally fixable, but you're looking at about six months to a year of it's going to be really hard. Okay. You can't weigh yourself because I know what that'll do to you.

You can't focus on the mirror. It's not about control. So what Adam said, the reason why what Adam said is so valuable is because part of this process is going to be letting go of the control. So it's like, super hard. Super hard. It's super anxiety inducing. It really sucks to let somebody else tell you what to. to do and then you just do it.

But within about six months to a year, what it's going to look like is this. At first, you're going to be like, cool, I'm going to do this. Then it's going to be like, this is scary. Then it's going to be like, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to do this anymore. Okay, but I'm going to keep trying. And then it's going to be like, wait a minute, I feel like more energy. Oh my God, I'm feeling more clarity.

This is starting to change how my relationship is with these things. And then it's going to be like, this is different. and I like this. And I don't think I ever want to go back. But that's the typical process with a lot of bumps in the road along the way. Okay? So I think your coach would be super valuable for you.

And here's what they're going to tell you to do, okay? You're going to drastically reduce your activity. Walking is fine. Probably no cardio. Strength training is going to look like half of what you're currently doing. And yes, your calories are going to have to go up. All those things are going to have to have to. to happen. And depending on your comfort level and honesty. Yeah, it might be a little stepping

process. You got to be super honest with your coach, like super honest. Like you got to say, don't just go along with what they say because they're telling you if you know you're not going to do it. So if they say to you, we got to bump your calories, 400 calories, and cut your cardio, and you're making that face inside. And you're like, yeah, I know you're saying that, but there's no way in hell I'm going to do that. You tell your coach, okay, I can do one of those, but I can't do both or whatever. And then if you mess up, because you're messing, up may look like this. It may look like, I know they said I need to eat 2,300 calories, but today I'm going to bring it down to 1900 because I'm feeling a little puffy. Or, you know,

I know they said no elliptical, but I'm going to get on there just because I feel good. You're going to want to not tell your coach, but you should tell them. And our coaches are trained very well at working through these things. And so you're just going to get a lot of grace and maybe some step step back and then moving forward. But it's going to be a tough process. But you're at the right place. You're calling in. You're actually saying the right things. Huge step, yeah. So I have a lot of hope for what this is going to look like for you moving forward.

The end of this, you're going to feel so much different, Jamie. So much better. So much better. Energy, strength, ass, all those things. It's all coming your way, Jamie. It is. It's all coming your way. You got to trust us, though.

I think the pain in your inner thighs has less to do with muscle recruitment patterns and correctional exercise and more to do with overtraining and under eating. 100%. Okay. Yep. All that stuff's going to get better. Yep. Yep.

To recover. I have been increasing my calories about 50 every week just because I'm so scared of like the huge jump. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Is that something I could keep doing? There's two. Yes. So here's what a coach will coach you through because there's two things we need to consider with that.

What's optimal and what is going to work for Jamie. Yeah. So optimal, I'd bump you 500 calories today. Is that going to freak you out so much that you just don't want to call me back? Maybe. So then we're going to back off because the goal is to get you there. Optimal is what's going to work for you to adhere to it. This is what I meant, too, by this is not just simply like an X's nose or a numbers thing.

This is going to be a process. It's going to be a coach saying one thing, one week. And you have a great week. Then you're going to have some tough weeks. And so I don't know if you've been listening to current episodes or not where I've shared my journey with Corinne, right? So I don't know if you've heard those. A little bit, yes. You're talking about a experienced, brilliant trainer and coach,

and because this is a past history, and I'm trying to take her up in calories. This is a lot of our conversations, and she'll be the first one to tell you. It's not easy. And even having all the answers and she knows what to do, yet still leans on me all the time. And there's a lot of times where I have to back off a little bit.

I push her, and then I could tell she's having some issues, struggling, frustrated and some of that. Then I give her a diet break. We break for a week or two. Then I get back at it. again. And so there's a lot of that talk back and forth. And it's not a, it's not a, whether she knows what to do or not. It's just simply having someone to kind of guide her through that process. And just so you know, Jamie, what you're experiencing and your challenges are so

common in the fitness industry. Very, very common. It's actually the, it's actually more common than not. So, so, so in you, you working in the fitness industry is like, yeah, of course. Like, almost every trainer I talked to at one point, uh, had this kind of struggle. So, so, but, but, But it's solvable, totally a solvable. Okay. I also recently had a Dexas scan done. And they put me at 20.9% body fat. Is that something that I can stay at, do you think?

Does it need to go higher? Yeah, no, you got to get out of that mentality right now. Yeah, it doesn't matter. There's two things that don't matter right now. The scale and your body fat percentage. Yeah. I don't care. I do not care.

So, and I would tell you this as a coach, you're probably going to gain some body fat. That's what we want. Initially, yeah. You're probably going to get. And so I know if that's scary, I want you to make peace with it that that's probably going to go up. But honestly, I wouldn't even let you dexascan. I don't care.

I just want to see how strong you're getting. That's what I'm going to pay attention to. That was one of the biggest mistakes I did with Corinne is I let her dexas scan and our body fat percentage went up and it spun us out and put us in. And I'm like that bad coach on my part. I was so excited because I saw our strength going up so much that I selfishly wanted to see the dexas scan. And what happened was our body fat.

fat percentage went up and that that spun her out. Do you? I should have known better enough to do that. Jamie, you have two kids, you said? Yes, and I homeschool. Okay, a wonderful. Boy girl, girl, two girls, two boys? A boy and a girl.

17 and 13. Okay, who's the girl? 13. My 13 year old. So when you get, when this gets tough, Jamie, I want you to think, how would I talk to my daughter? And I know that sounds silly, but it's going to snap you out of it, I promise. Because I know you love your daughter.

I know you're a great mom. I can tell. So you just, okay, what would I say to my daughter right now? I've got to take my own advice because we're way better with our kids. And as trainers, way better with our clients and with ourselves. Also, let that be your motivation to stick through this, right? Is that you don't want her to have to struggle with something. Yeah, 100%, right?

So let that be your driving force to stick it through and go through it when it gets tough. Because it'll be tough. It is. It's definitely tough. Okay. But we'll help you through this. Totally. Yep.

So what the prescriptions are going to look like is way less exercise, more calories. but we'll have somebody step walk with you through this process. And you're looking at conservatively six months realistically close to a year of this kind of work. Okay. Thank you guys so much. You got it. I'll have somebody call you. Is that okay, Jamie?

Yes, that's just fine. Thank you. Thank you for calling in. It's for you. Thank you. Bye. Thank you. Bye.

Oh, poor lady. Yeah. That's tough, man. You know, like you said, though, you know, and encouraging is where she's at, she's open enough to come on a podcast here where tons of people are going to see her and put herself out there, which means she's, she's at a lot of people in the fitness space are suffering from this and not talking about it. Not only not talking about it, they don't even want to acknowledge it.

No, yeah, no, they're leaning into it. And you know what's even worse about this, Adam? You know this, being in the extreme space of bodybuilding. In the fitness space, you're surrounded by other people that are like this. Yeah. And so it seems like this, oh yeah, it's what we do. Totally normal. double down on it.

And when you're, you know, shredded body feverson on Instagram, you're being celebrated for it. And people who don't know, it's so funny that happened to me last night. Last night, I was at a, I was serving at the church. This guy comes up to me and he's in his 60s. And he was, you, you are so healthy and fit. I need to be more like you. And I'm like, no, no, no. I'm obsessed.

It's extreme. No, no, it's great. It's good that you're disciplined. He has no idea. He just looks at me and thinks, and I'm like, no, dude, you don't understand. That's a problem. That's what I mean, right? Like if you, if you're in denial about it, right, you obviously openly talk about it.

But if you were in denial about it and you're getting told. Oh, you look so amazing. I wish I was like, you're so healthy. You're like, yes, I am. Yeah. Discipline. Yeah. It's so crazy.

Hopefully we help her. Yeah. Our next caller is Caleb from Pennsylvania. Caleb, what's happening? Hey, Caleb. What's up, man? This is cool. How are you guys doing?

How can we help you? Well, I'm just going to read like everybody else does from the front. I didn't include much background in my email, but I did want to talk about my metabolism and reverse diet journey since listening to you guys, because I think it'll be helpful to a lot of listeners. In early COVID, I lost about 80 pounds doing all the wrong things. Fasting, cardio, no lifting, no protein. I found you guys like four years ago, having lost a ton of muscle, and my maintenance, once I started tracking, it was 1,500 calories. later found through blood work that I tanked my thyroid, starving myself during that weight loss. I think a lot of listeners hear your callers and how you can recommend people jump a couple hundred calories a week every couple weeks and get discouraged like I did because I had to take it so slow. I did a complete 180.

I hit my protein goals. Use only your maps programs, change sleep habits. And even still, it took me over 18 months of being absolutely dialed to get my maintenance from 50. 1500 up to 2000. Many times I had to backtrack and stay at a level for months. Wow. However, in 2025, everything changed. Using the scale to maintain my weight, my reverse diet saw me go from 2000 all the way to

3,800 calories. I was constantly hitting PRs in literally every lift of your programs. And I straight up traded 19 pounds of fat for lean mass with no change on the scale. So this is what you guys call the Goldilocks zone, I think. Yeah, dude. That's sick. Fast forwarded now, and the reason why I wrote in, I'm regressing. Wrists and forearm are the causes.

I've been doing physical therapy for significant forearm pain. It's worse in things like hammer curls, pull-ups, and even limiting with like pressure down on them with like dumbbell presses, just getting the weight down on and in the forearm here. And then as for wrists, my grip I've found, like my deadlift, hasn't changed much in the last six months or so. I can do 335 for a few reps, but grip is the failure point, not anything else. I can definitely go higher.

So I've never used straps or belts, and I haven't wanted to do that based on listening to you guys. So I wanted to see your thoughts on programming or, you know, where do I go from here? I'm going to guess, you know, it sounds like I had a lot of newbie gains in the beginning. So, you know, I do my tendons and stuff to get to catch up. But wanted to see your thoughts on that. tennis elbow. Yeah, bro, great. First off, let me just reflect a little bit on what you experienced.

I'm so glad you called in. Yeah, yeah, great. Great example. Great visual from people. And this can be a bit mysterious. So somebody can lose a ton of weight, 80 pounds is a lot of weight. And they can, you know, do it in the ways you said, like starving yourself, you know, trying to burn tons of calories or cardio or whatever.

And it can place you in this position where now you're resting metabolic rates really low. And so you're like, okay, I got to reverse out of it. And sometimes it takes a while. So I've had a few clients like you where it's like, oh my God, it's going to take us a year or it took me a year with some of these people. I'm not quite sure why. I've heard some theories. One of them is that your body, maybe it's your central nervous system, kind of has a memory of that starvation period and just doesn't want to reverse gears with the metabolic rate until it feels. And this is like non-scientific safe, which is kind of what happened.

Like you had to do it for a while, do it for a while. And then boom, your body's like, we're good. can start burning more calories, which is what you experienced. So that can happen to some people. So I'm glad you called in because now we have an example of what that kind of looks like. But it definitely works. Now of the forearm pain, can you point to where it hurts? Yeah, so it's up in here.

So hammer curls when that comes up. So tennis elbow, well, at least I've gone to some doctors. They didn't think it was tennis elbow. But yeah, it's right up in here. Okay. So here. And you're doing physical, physical therapist. physical therapy.

Yeah. And they're having me do, well, risk stuff too, like, you know, the hammer stuff. And,

you know. So I had, I've had experience with this personally and a couple of the clients. So I got this, and I got it when I was doing a lot of

Brazilian jihitsu. And it was like, it was mysterious. Couldn't figure out what's going on. I'd do the mobility stuff. I'd take a break. You get a little better.

Come back and start hurt me again. And it wasn't until I had really painful deep tissue massage on my, forearms. Like literally the lady spent an hour on just my forearms. And within a few weeks, it got rid of it completely. So I don't know if you've had any experience with that, but you want to look for a sports massage therapist, correctional massage therapist, and have them do that where you, like you literally put your forearms on something. And they dig in and really work on

those areas to bring that down. Because I think what's happening, your CNS is just remaining a little activated in your forearms, which is causing this chronic tightness. So the correctional exercise stuff is good, but if it's not, you're not able to dampen the CNS signal, it's going to kind of linger. And so that's where I would look right out the gates is somebody who, like, I need to go to somebody. Release so you can go through those movements and correct that pattern. This would be also a good time to move away from a lot of bilateral stuff for a while

and actually get into things like symmetry, I think would be a good alternative for a right now. I don't know how long, have you been training kind of bilaterally for a long time? So I've been listening to guys. I've done symmetry three or four times. Oh, okay. Oh, good. Actually my favorite program. Oh, good. Oh, good. Oh, good. Good. Okay, good. Yeah. So what's worth, during my physical therapy, it was only my left forearm. During the process, my right is now having it. So, like, I created the issue over here, too. Yeah. So clearly, you know, I don't think it's a structural thing. No, I don't. No. I don't either. So static stretching will give you temporary. relief. So the top of the forearm would be arm extended with your hand flexed behind your body

and really hold that stretch for a long time. Rifle flips. Yeah, rifle flips with a stick is another one. You can look that up. And you would do that kind of before and in between sets. Keep your intensity moderate for now. Find somebody who understands really deep tissue massage. And they're going to work on forearms and maybe trap neck area because sometimes there's a connection there. Spiraling sort of mobility practice for you to kind of get that arm and reaching out

is really going to help to unlock that. Yeah, but like if I was with you right now, what I would have you do is I'd put you in a deep stretch and then I'd work the hell out of your break your radiolus muscle. And then I'd say, okay, do you feel better? And if you see relief within a few minutes, like, oh, kind of pain dissipated a little bit.

Okay, this is what we need to do. Let's move through it. Okay. Yeah, and I've been taking it easy. And if I do nothing for a couple weeks, I don't feel it at all. Yeah. The second start lifting against right back. What do you want some Indian clubs, dude?

Oh, yeah. That might be okay. So he's the thing. Like, he needs to, like, get them to chill before he does any activated. Loaded wise, right? That's why, like, a prime pro. Like, I don't know if you have access to that or not. But, like, some of those wrist cars and shoulder mobility, just movements and

rotational movement, but, like, holding and static poses of it will really help to kind of, like, gain back that mobility. and strength in that range of motion. Order of operation would look like what Sal's saying deep tissue first, what Justin's saying with Prime Pro, the wrist cars and shoulder stuff, and then the third thing would be like Indian clubs.

That's how I would work. If you were my client, deep tissue, release all that, calm it down like Sal's saying. Then go to what's Justin's saying, which is go to your wrist cars, shoulder stuff, do all the mobility from Prime Pro.

We'll send that to you if you don't have it. And then the third thing is get a hold of like an Indian club. And that would be the way I kind of prime before I get into any sort of working out Honestly, four weeks, like four sessions with the person who's working on this. If I'm right, you should see some pretty substantial benefits from doing that. It took me literally three weeks. Those are a chronic issue for me for years.

I've had it too. Three weeks gone for me. And then I've had other clients that I've pointed in this direction. It was the same thing. Am I still doing any programs during this? Or am I literally doing nothing? No, no, you can. I would go moderate intensity, though.

Yeah, you keep run. So you know what makes you painful? You know what makes you hurt? Just go easy on that kind of stuff. Yeah. You still train your legs, lunges, movements like that. And go prime ahead of time before your workouts is the main thing. Yep.

Okay. I think I have prime. I don't think I have prime pro. I'll send it to you. We'll send it to you. Yeah, you got it to you. Yeah. Thank you.

You got it, dude. Yeah. What about a, so my wrists. I feel like I have weak wrists and. It's all connected. It's all connected. That's the downstream. Yeah, yeah.

That's the prime pro stuff that just is talking about. That's probably the main issue. So the muscles that stabilize the wrist, the meat of the muscle. of the muscles are up here at the top of the forum. So when these are tight and there's issues there, you're very common that you start feeling issues in the wrist. Yeah. Oh, okay.

Yep. Awesome. Yeah. You got to do. So, yeah, find somebody do that. I'm serious, like three, four weeks of that. And if you see, like, some good relief, like, we're in the right direction. Awesome.

I didn't expect you to go this way. I feel like a lot of people say, like, I know exactly what they're going to say. I did not even think about, like, deep tissue massage and stuff. I mean, when you have somebody this, it can be mysterious too, right? I think we're all speaking from experience. I mean, I think we've all suffered from this. And we're all given our personal, like, things that we've done. So just to explain it so you can kind of get the, like, the science behind it.

So when your body, it senses some kind of instability, which is going to happen with somebody who gained strength very rapidly. So it's not uncommon. Okay. I think it's a weakness in the wrist. So it starts to sense some instability. Could be in the wrist. Could be in the shoulder area. then what it does, the central nervous system

tightens up the muscles to create some stability there because it senses instability. But then because the CNS is kind of firing a little bit all the time, which is that tightness, then you start to get inflammation. So what massage does, like if you have a tight, you probably felt this before in your neck where you're like, oh, my neck's kind of tight.

And then somebody press on it for a while or your wife presses on it. And then suddenly like, oh, that released. It sends a signal back to the CNS that says relax. That's all that pressure does. and so it'll get the CNS to kind of calm down a little bit. Yeah, I was doing grassening after workouts for quite a while. Okay.

And it felt good in the moment, but yeah, it didn't really do anything wrong time. Yeah, no, no, get somebody that's going to get in there with their elbow. The mobility and the strengthening afterward is going to help you to get past it. That's why the order is what I sold you is get the deep tissue work done to it, then do the stuff that Justin's saying in Prime Pro and then do like Indian clubs and then train. Like those are kind of like the formula for you to get. get back to awesome yep yep hey i really appreciate it i am uh living proof of what you guys preach every day on the podcast yeah you got a great story it took me a long time but man it's

it's been nuts the last year that's amazing yeah great how you stick with it yeah great having you call in you're gonna help somebody else who's probably struggle with the same thing so that's awesome dude thank you awesome thank you guys you got it man i just did this yesterday we were at my son's soccer practice and my dad shows up my parents are watching and my dad's like oh sal my neck It's been so tight. It's been tight for like four weeks. I don't know what's going on. Hold on a second.

Bro, I went back there, first of all, it felt like wood. So I'm like, oh, this is tight. And I was pressing on it. And within, I don't know, five minutes of me pressing on it, my dad's like, son of a bitch. He's like, I feel so much better. He's that what did you do? And so I'm trying to explain to him like, you know, what's happening.

I'm like, I'm like, it's just, I'm just pressing on telling the CNS to calm down. I said, I think there's some instability in your shoulder. And I was kind of explaining that to him. And so, I mean, that's what happens. Now, when you combine it with correctional exercise, that's when it gets permanent. Yeah, that's when you get past the issue. Yeah. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram.

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