Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2909: 5 Running Styles to Lose Fat (And Which One Is Actually the Best)

Episode Date: July 25, 2026

In this episode the guys break down five ways to run for fitness — for distance, same distance for time, same time for more distance, sprinting, and running for fun. Sal shares that he ran his first mile this morning for the first time in years and how humbling it was. They also get into the story behind Sylvester Stallone writing Rocky in three days with $100 in his bank account after watching Chuck Wepner vs Muhammad Ali, Italian dialects and how Mussolini unified them, the cyclosporiasis parasite outbreak in US lettuce, the liver die-off effect and why people feel worse before they feel better when treating parasites, the GATE gifted program conspiracy theory and the Mall World dream phenomenon, and Joymode's Hard Plus compounds and what the studies show. Then they coach live callers submitted through mplivecaller.com — Kelly from Texas on anterior pelvic tilt and glute activation six months postpartum, Nicky from Ontario on a 90-day check-in showing dramatic mood, libido and energy improvements after anorexia recovery coaching, Jeremy from Indiana on physique competition prep strategy at 51, and Amanda from Indiana navigating the GLP-1 off-ramp and reverse diet while managing binge tendencies.   MAPS Upper Lower: https://mapsupperlower.com Code: LAUNCH for 40% off. Four day split, male and female versions, workout videos and live coaching with Cole.   Mind Pump Fitness Coaching: https://mindpumpfitnesscoaching.com 1.9 NASM CEUs   SPONSORS   Dose for Your Liver: https://dosedaily.co/MINDPUMP35 Code: MINDPUMP35 for 35% off first month subscription. Clinically backed liquid liver supplement, zero sugar, zero calories, tastes like fresh squeezed orange juice. Discussed on air — particularly relevant when treating parasites due to the die-off liver load.   Joymode (Hard Plus): https://tryjoymode.com/mindpump Code: MINDPUMP for 20% off first order. Natural science-backed men's sexual performance supplement. L-Citrulline, Arginine, Yohimbine and Vitamin C. Also discussed: Ignite libido booster and No Flow testosterone support.   Fatty15 (C15 essential fatty acid): https://fatty15.com/MINDPUMP Code: MINDPUMP for 15% off 90-day Starter Kit. First new essential fatty acid discovered in over 90 years. 3x more cellular benefits than omega-3. Slows biological aging at the cellular level.   LINKS   Submit a live caller question: https://mplivecaller.com Mind Pump Store: https://mindpumpstore.com Maps Fitness Products: https://mapsfitnessproducts.com Instagram: @mindpumpmedia   SPOTIFY TIMESTAMPS   0:00 - Intro 2:29 - 5 ways to run for fitness — why running is a skill most adults have lost 8:55 - Method 1: Running for distance and why improving your mile is enough for most people 11:39 - Method 2: Same distance for time — how to improve without adding mileage 13:33 - Method 3: Same time for more distance — structured and easy to schedule 14:28 - Method 4: Sprinting — the strength training of cardio and how to program it 18:57 - Method 5: Running for fun — why this is actually the best one 20:51 - Sal ran his first mile this morning — what it felt like to forget how to run 26:22 - The Rocky origin story — $100, three days and a refusal to sell without the lead role 36:34 - Best movie sequels and whether Rocky 3 and 4 are actually better than 1 and 2 36:50 - Italian dialects and how Mussolini unified the language 39:54 - Cyclosporiasis outbreak in US lettuce — and the liver die-off effect from parasite treatment 46:27 - GATE program conspiracy — CIA filtering gifted kids and the Mall World dream phenomenon 52:02 - Joymode Hard Plus — what the compounds do and what the studies show 58:15 - Caller: Kelly (Texas) — six months postpartum, anterior pelvic tilt, glute activation and hip flexor tightness 1:12:20 - Caller: Nicky (Ontario) — 90-day anorexia recovery check-in, mood up, libido up, getting stronger 1:24:24 - Caller: Jeremy (Indiana) — 51-year-old military chaplain, physique competition prep strategy 1:38:53 - Caller: Amanda (Indiana) — GLP-1 off-ramp, reverse diet, binge tendencies and postpartum weight  

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Enjoy the rest of the show. One of the most popular forms of exercise worldwide, if not the most popular form of exercise, is running. Now running does have some real benefits. Today we're going to talk about five different ways you can run for maximum fitness. Let's go. Not at all. Yeah, best way to run away from it.

You know, okay, I want to say this about, I've said this before on a previous podcast, but there are a few things that humans do, let's say, physically, very well when you compare us to other animals and the animals. kingdom. One of them is throw for accuracy. We're the best at throwing for accuracy. And the other is actually running for distance. Humans are exceptionally good at distance running in comparison to other animals.

In fact, this is probably one of the strategies that we used as hunter-gatherers. We would, you know, we wound an animal and then we'd run after it. And we'd run until it got so tired that it had to stop and then we would ambush it and kill it. In fact, there were races that have existed in history, in recent history, where it was a long distance race. Outlast a horse, right? Yeah. Don't they still do that? I don't know if they still do it.

We should see. I thought there was like a famous name. But it was a horse versus a human. It was for distance. And a 50% of the time the human would win. So this is how good we can be at running. And if you look at our anatomy, we're really exceptionally designed for it. We have really big knee joints.

We're upright. Human versus horse. races are still actually held around the world. So it's the man versus horse marathon. Yeah. In Wales, 22-mile course. Pretty cool. So we have these big knee joints.

We have these really big Achilles tendons, these muscular feet, big glute muscles. We're upright, upright. Now, of course, the issue is that we stop running when we're kids and decided to pick it up when we're adults. So we just don't have the skill of running. But if you have good skill or good technique, we can run. is a great form of activity if your goal is endurance. I just want to be very clear with that. It is a phenomenal form of exercise for stamina and endurance.

And one of the great things about running is so much of the endurance from running translates to most sports. So one of the challenges with gaining athletic performance with a form of exercise is how well does it translate to athletic performance in a sport? and most sports involve running to some extent. Unless you're swimming, but then that's a whole other. Totally difference. Running is by itself.

Yeah, but swimming by itself. I mean, that's really the biggest value I see as far as like a performance perspective of like being able to have that type of endurance of continuous movement. And so, you know, that's definitely beneficial in that environment. You know, what's an interesting add to the point you're making right now is, you know, that we were made to run, right? we were built to run, but we just,

we just stopped doing it at a certain age, and then we assume we could just pick it up and do it again, and this is why it could be so detrimental with so many people. We were made to squat, too, and we just stopped doing that also. You were watch a baby or a kid

sit in a squatted position. Just play. And play comfortably, and in some cultures, they do that still, and you can see that, no one has a problem with that, but we quickly are,

are in chairs, in cars, in seated desk. And built to climb. We're built to lift things over our head. And then we just stop, we just stop sitting in that position. And what's interesting to me about that point is that nobody, nobody thinks it's wise to all of a sudden get under a barbell and start back squatting a bunch of weight. Like we're scared, people were scared to death to do that. Yeah.

But we're not worried about just getting out and throwing your sneakers on and going for a tire. Going for a five mile run. So you're exhausted when you don't do that anymore and you haven't done it well in a very, very long time. And, you know, and maybe it's because the squat carries a more wrist for an acute injury right away where the running tends to sneak up on you in a more chronic way. Well, I think part of it, Adam, is we have this memory of running when we were kids and you

see kids run out. And so you think, oh, I should be able to do that maybe. Yeah, it's automatic, you think in a sense. It's funny too when we had Brian Kula on the show, like just the stuff I've learned from him in terms of like prepping your body again to account for these ground forces and account for that type of impact that goes up the kinetic chain. There's a process to that just like you'd mentioned like for squatting. It's like, you know, there's a whole progressive way to do that so you can actually like benefit from it instead of making it turn into a problem. Yeah, 100%. So I'm glad you went, you guys went here because it.

It is a skill and like all forms of exercise, which are all skills, you want to approach it with the intent if you're not running now and you're about to start running with getting good at it first. So before you do anything else, before you challenge endurance and you challenge your speed and you're pushing adaptations, just like with strength training, the idea is can I get good at running so that when I do start to push myself, I don't end up hurt because running has a very high rate of injury precisely because people don't run well. And then they go out and they decide to run hard or till they're tired, in which case

if your technique is bad when you're not tired, it's only worse when you are tired. And then this is when injuries happen. So you're moving your body in a way that's suboptimal. You get overuse injuries, which are super, super frequent because of the way you're moving. So treat it like a skill, go out and learn how to do it well. Now, if you're at this place where I think I can run, And I would like the benefits that I can get, the athletic benefits or the performance benefits

or the adaptations that I can get from running. There are a few ways to approach running, and each one of them has its own value. So the first way, which is probably the most common, I think when people think of running, the one that they're like for working out, right? When people think of running for fitness, the one that they're probably picturing

is this first option, which is you're just running for distance. Like the idea with this style of running, is my goal is to be able to run further and further without having to stop. So I'm trying to build that kind of lasting endurance where, you know, just getting started, I could run one block, eventually I can run two blocks and then a mile and then three miles and then four miles and so on. Now, of course, there's a limit. We don't want to go too crazy unless you're going to compete in some type of a running event. But with this style of running,

it's pretty straightforward so long as you train appropriately, so long as you make sure you recover and your technique is good, where the goal really with the style of training is can I extend the distance of my running? Can I get myself to be able to run further and further without having to stop? So it's very, very straightforward, that particular style.

Yeah, I mean, I know the other one, I don't want to jump ahead of you, but it's like I've always loved recommending to people that want or have this goal of like, I want to get in shape, I want to lose body if I want to lose, but I also want to get some of the benefits from running. Personally,

I've been able to not only for myself reap these benefits, but for all my clients that I've got to do this, just getting good at the mile run is takes you pretty far. Yeah. Like getting your mile time down, and so sticking to a distance. Talk about something that translates to the real world. Yeah.

When you can have to really run more than a mile. A mile. God forbid, you have to actually run more than a mile. Yes. And it's enough distance. to build a little bit of stamina endurance. Yeah, you're not going to go run the Boston Marathon off of that. But most people aren't trying to do that.

That'll give you enough stamina endurance to do most things and activities and play and basic hikes and being at a theme park all day, more than enough from just having a good mild time. And you don't risk impeding your muscle building goals and fat loss goals, which is what most people want. Most people at the hierarchy of why they join the gym. I mean, of course, some people could be here for longevity or could be here just for health or could be here just for getting endurance. But most people show up to the gym because they want to look better. They want to change their body composition.

They want to lose body fat. And so we're always talking about how cardio is terrible for fat loss. but improving a mile time is a great way to get reap a lot of the cardiovascular benefits, stamina endurance benefits that you can get from running without impeding on your fat loss. You're not overdoing it. And so what this, what you're talking about, Adam,

is this is a strategy of running, whereas the first strategy was I'm going to try and run further and further and further. The second strategy is I'm going to pick a distance and try and get faster and faster and faster. Yes. At that distance. I love the mile. I love it because it's short. you can get fat.

You can improve for a while at your mile when you first get started before you have to add another mile or so. So what it would look like is like, let's say, to get a target. Let's say you're just getting started with running and maybe the first time you try a mile, it takes you 12 minutes, you know,

because it's really hard and you're going, it's just tough. And then your goal now is to get down to 11 minutes and then 10 minutes and then can I get my mile down to eight minutes and seven minutes? And so the training is always the same distance. The difference is not that I'm adding distance, but rather I'm just trying to run.

faster. And I also think you put you at a lower risk. Because when you start, when you push the distance one, you tend to push, you're flirting with the fatigue side more often. And that's typically when the mechanics start to break down. And so even if you did do all the steps, the Brian Kulo getting ready for run and you did all the things, but you're flirting with distance and trying to go further and further, you tend to be flirting with the end of that versus, I'm I'm trying to get faster and faster. You're right. All of the ones that we're going to talk about,

there's two of them where technique is, it's even more important that technique is perfect. One of them is when you're running really long distance. The other one is when you're trying to sprint. Those two require, yeah, those two require like the best technique because one is all out, and the other one is just keep going, you know, type of deal.

So we went for distance, or we're trying for the same distance and speed up the time. Here's the third one. The same time, but for more distance. So it's kind of a flip. on the second one. So what does that look like?

Well, I'm always going to run 15 minutes. 15 minutes of running, no matter what. How far did you get? Yeah. How far did I get doing 15 minutes? So it's always the same time. Now, people like this one because it's very black and white structured amount of time. I'm running for 20 minutes or I'm running for 30 minutes or whatever.

This is the amount of time I'm going to run. So it's very easy to fit into your schedule. The difference with this is you just track your distance. And you go, wow, last time I ran a mile. This time I ran a mile and a half. Same amount of time. So you know you're getting faster. So it's just a different approach to improving your standard.

I think I paid attention more of that when I was rowing. And I got into that for a bit. And it was a nice little competitive kind of outlook on that to see how far distance you can go. Honestly, the number four one is my favorite though that you're going to get into. And it's like you said, if you're going to get into sprinting, all your ducks have to be in a row. Anytime we're going to like now look at squeezing and focusing on acceleration. velocity. There's any little hole in the kinetic chain that hasn't been addressed is going to come out

with force. So, but the benefits for me with sprinting, and this is something I still do incorporate, actually, in my own programming, it's still anaerobic. You can do it in a way where, you know, it's still muscle preserving. But I can get all those benefits, too, because I can acclimate to that fast-twitch that, that, you know, high demand. and not like, you know, burn up all my energy. Like, you can actually practice this and get some of the stamina from it,

but not, you know, get to the point where you're aerobic. So if we refer to circuit training as the cardio of strength training, sprinting is the strength training of cardio. Okay. So sprinting looks like this. I'm going to pick 50 yards. 50 yards is the distance that I'm going to run. And my goal is to run that 50 yards as fast as possible.

After I complete that 50 yards, I'm going to treat this like strength training. I'm going to do the 50 yards and I'm a rest. I'm arrested so I feel like I can run that 50 yards as fast or faster than I did the first time. And I'm going to do sets. Fully recovered. Most people won't do that. And I'm going to do sets of this. And what do the sets look like?

I don't know, four, five. That's it. Like you would if you were doing squats. If you start to sprint and your time gets slower and slower, time to stop. So the idea with sprint. What typically happens with somebody who's, except for really advanced sprinters, is your second sprint, it typically comes out faster than the first one. So you sprint as hard as you can after you're warmed up. You rest, you rest, you rest.

And you're like, I feel like, and then you go for it again, and you got faster. And then you repeat that a third time. And if you can maintain between the first and second when you're good, do a fourth set, typically by the time you get to the fifth set for most people, if you're running hard, time start to get, go down or should I say go up, in which case you're done. So you literally treat it like doing sets. The value of sprinting, it builds power. This is a muscle building form of running. I'm not saying this is muscle building like strength training, but of the forms of running, this is the one that's going to preserve muscle, potentially build in some people,

but this is explosive. This is strength. This is not tons of stamina and endurance, although there is a stamina component. So I'm with, this is the best of the five, argue. You could argue the fifth one for some ways, but I think this is the best. What it looks like for me, though, is it looks like what I said about the mile and I work up to this. So what it looks like is I get on there right now. It's been a while since I've done this.

So I'm probably got a really rough mile. Let's just say it's bad nine minutes plus. And so I get on there and, you know, it's nine minutes. And then over the course of the next couple weeks, I worked that mile time down from nine minutes down to sub seven. So now I'm running sub seven. So it's good, it's good miles. It's not my best. I'm not super fast there, but I'm getting pretty good.

But now I've allowed my body to kind of adapt to that. And now I'm a little more ready to prepare myself, I think, for sprinting up a hill really, really hard. And what I'll probably do during that process of getting that mile down is heavily these little mild sprints in that run. What are they called? Is that what's called? Is that what's called? F-A-R-T-L-E-K. It's a funny name, but it sounds like I made something.

And it's building a sprint in it. It's like coast and then sprint. Yeah. And so I would build that into. That's a real word, guys. Look it up. I would build that into my improving my mild time until I've got myself a really good mild time.

I've gotten comfortable with kind of sprinting like that. And then I would do it in a more traditional, you know, four sets, three minute rest periods in between and going as hard as I can and train that way. And then that would be a great place to kind of reap all those benefits. Is that fart lack? I told you. I told you, it's a real word. I know.

First time I learned it as a trainer, I thought somebody was, you punking me right now? So that's sprinting, right? Oh, by the way, all of these will build stamina endurance, but they're different, right? So when you're doing,

like, the two extremes here are distance and sprinting. So distance running, lots of just this kind of low level, continual kind of effort, stamina, grinding stamina. Sprinting is like, I can be fast and explosive.

And so they're very, very different. But they both do build endurance just in a different way, right? Lastly, now this is my favorite one. I think this is the best one. And the reason why I think this is the best one is, if you find this, if you figure this one out, you're probably not going to stop. And that is you run for fun.

And what does this look like? I don't care. I don't care what this looks like. Maybe it's running after your kids at the park. Maybe you go to a big park. I've done this before, my little ones. Go to a big park you play head and seek and you chase them down. And you do, and you're having so much fun that the next thing you know, 40 minutes goes

by and you just ran on and off for 40 minutes. Maybe it's running with a group or friends or pick up soccer game or a basketball or something like that. Like in my opinion, this is the best way to run because this is the one if you actually genuinely are having fun, you're just going to want to do it and you're going to be consistent with it. The only challenge I have to this one is I don't disagree with that is if it's one of us or somebody who's north of 40 picking up a basketball and playing is a quick recipe for me to get

injured. It's not fun. Yeah. And it's not fun. You're going to overdo it. Yeah, without knowing. So that's the part I would caution somebody who wants to run for fun, who hasn't done any running, and you want to just, and you have no methodology or plan on how you're going to go about doing that. And you're just like, I'm just going to play baseball or play basketball. That's the one problem. with this is that I think playing and having fun and doing active things like that, depending your age and your condition, could also put you high risk for injury. Totally. 100%.

All of the things that we're saying here, just like any other fitness advice we give, is you've got to be able to do the thing safely. You got to be able to have the technique and the skill to do the thing safely. Otherwise, don't do it. Okay. So, because injury is a real, a real potential. Yeah. So what do you guys?

So just kind of changed the subject. You guys want to know what I did this morning? Hmm. At 6 a.m.? Oh, Jitzy probably. No? No. Eight something?

No. Had meal one. I knew you guys, I knew you guys would never guess, even though we just came off the topic. I ran. No, you did it. I did. I mean, was it really? Yeah, it was.

Like, run, run? Like, like, you know, like a joke. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You are also the guy who walks at 2.5 speed. So this means did you go to four? No, no, no. I ran. Is it still a walk for you?

I ran. Did you put the big old new balances on for that way? I did, dude. So let me just tell you my experience. The moon shoes. Oh, I can't like to hear this. So I'm, now the method that I'm using is the distance for time one. So I'm doing a mile.

That's it. That's all I'm going to do is a mile. Oh, yeah, I love us. All I'm going to do is a mile. And my goal is to improve on it. My goal is to improve on the mile. But probably for the next, I don't know how many weeks, my goal is, to get really technique, like get good technique because I just, it is remarkable how much of

the skill of running I have completely forgot or lost. It is crazy. Remember what I told you. I told you when I first started doing how much I like had to concentrate. It's, bro. Annoying. Yeah. I mean, I'm running and I feel like, cuckoo, cuckoo.

That's funny. And I feel my knees and everything. Like, what is going on, dude? I haven't even got to running. Like, I started going through the series with my son. and I'm just working on like ground forces and like little bounces and like little bounds and technique. And like, just that is keeping me occupied.

I'm like just trying to coordinate my body again. It's crazy. All I did. So I bought, I bought because I'm like, okay, I got to, I'm going to try this out.

So we get the most corrective, like supportive protective. So I got, yeah, I got like springs. The ones that correct, you know, pro nation,

lots of padding, all that stuff. And so I got those. And this morning, I'm like, okay, I'm going to go. And I'm just,

I know what I kind of roughly know what a mile is and I can attract it. And so I'm just going to cruise. Oh, you did that old school like outside. Yeah, I went outside. Oh, you didn't do it. So part of the value of it is, um, is to be more outside, to be out, you know, my neighborhood, you know, type of deal. It's nice weather right now, so why not? So I, you know, went downstairs, got my shoes on and you were wearing your cutoff gray sweater or?

No, it's not, dude. That was not. No, I wore just, little running shoes and a tight, uh, you know, why am I telling you? Rubber bouncy ball. What are you doing, bro? Stop. Stop. Stop. So I, I cruised, ran the mile. I don't know what my time was. Actually, I was trying not to track because I just wanted to like get comfortable running. Boxing frozen cows. Hey, we're going to get to that. Stop. Stop that. I can't stop at a beat factory. We're going to get to that. Yeah, yeah. We're going to get to that. Trying to move it forward. But I did it. And I was again, dude, I was just the whole time, I'm like, wow, this just feels awkward, dude. I forgot how to. I forgot how to. a run.

This is wild. How long before you had to start walking? I didn't. I did the whole mile. Oh, you did? No, I ran a whole mile. Yeah.

Really? Yeah, yeah. I sped up at the end because I was conservative and kind of jogging. Yeah. At the very end, I'm like, I'm going to just kind of push it a little bit, a little bit. But I didn't stop. I think the jiu-jitsu I've been doing the past couple weeks has already built my stamina.

Oh. Enough to be able to kind of do that. Oh, yeah. But what, you know, was that contralateral kind of movement going. Well, so here's the thing, dude. This is what I felt. It wasn't so much the stamina. because I could have definitely pushed it harder.

It was the technique, and then I could just feel every part of my freaking body, dude. I could feel my knees. Yeah. I could feel my back. And it's all because... It's a different stimulus. Bro, it's because I'm not... I don't know how to run.

Well, you felt like I was hitting the ground with 500 pounds. You're also 25, 30 pounds over your weight that you normally carry yourself. I told myself that, too. I said, I'm heavy right now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a big difference for me. I notice a huge difference when I'm, you know, 2.30 versus when I'm 205.

Yeah. Yeah, 205 means a lot different. You know what's crazy about that, Adam? If you have an extra 20 pounds, the force you hit the ground with is far more than 20 pounds. Oh, yeah. Forget what the multiplier. There's some multiplier. Yeah, there is.

I know immediately by how flat footed I am when I'm running, you know, that I'm overweight. And then it starts coming up finally. And I'm like, oh, I'm on my forefoot. And I'm like, I feel like light, you know. But yeah, it's like usually 210 or something like that. I'm like, okay, now I can kind of run. I think my athletic build is going to be around 205, 210. That's what I think.

And right now I'm still 218, maybe 215, so just way too heavy. Have you been holding pretty strong there? Yeah, I dropped. I'm still like 218, 217. Really? Yeah, which is wild. I thought I would drop more by now, but it might take a little longer. Yeah, I thought, I mean, again, I think it just highlights that you're not going to lose a lot of muscle.

I think you're going to lose a lot of muscle. I think you're going to lose up. I might need to eat less, dude, because I needed to happen. Yeah. I don't have been harassed. Why do you think I've been harassing you about that like crazy? Because you just like to harass it. No, dude.

You like the body shame. You can't do to anybody else. I mean, you're doing all the right things with the reducing the ball and this and that, but the amount of food you're still eating is not going to lose you weight. You know what I'm afraid of by cutting the food out? You just get shredded, dude. No, that's not what I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of the recovery.

Like, I don't want to compromise my recovery from all this new stimulus that I'm doing. I don't try to get hurt. That's the number one thing that I'm trying to do. Now, speaking of what you were. saying, Justin, you guys watched the trailer of the... I did. That's why I was... I was curious about you. What's it called?

I opinion. I am Rocky. Or making Rocky? I am Rocky. I am Rocky. This is a movie about making the movie of Rocky. So him writing the movie and then pitching the movie. I play Rocky.

First of all, Justin. God, man, this guy right here. First of all, the story of Sylvester Stallone writing that movie and how we got I actually didn't know all of that So it's crazy

Oh see I do Yeah I read up about it It is I mean it is interesting But I don't know that it's interesting That's why it's interesting Yeah I know it's interesting Interesting I mean is it true or do they exaggerate

How much he gave up No no no no Dude he sold his dog No no this is what's crazy And he was offered He was a struggling actor Yeah Trying to make his way

Uh wasn't working Watch as a fight Okay on TV You can watch this You can pull it up on YouTube. Chuck Weppner versus Muhammad Ali. It's considered one of the worst matchups in history. Like, Chuck Weppner should never have been in the ring.

It was called his base. There's a whole documentary around it. Yeah, he's called the Bayon Bleeder or something like that. He's known for bleeding. Like that's the big thing. No, the Brooklyn Bleeder. No, the Bayon or something like that. Look him up, Doug, Chuck Weppner.

There's a great, have you ever seen the movie? No. Oh, they've been a movie on him. No, okay. So this is cool, right? So Muhammad Ali gets in there, and it's, it's, It's kind of like a joke fight, essentially, but it was a real sanction fight. So he gets in there.

And, you know, you're watching the world's best boxer of all time against this other guy. What was his nickname, Doug? Can you hear that? Let me see. He's still alive. I thought it was the Brooklyn Bleeder. No, it was the Bayon or something like that. Okay, let me get the name.

It is something like that, though. Just nickname. There you go. We got to get this nickname. The Bayon Bleeder. What did Bayon stand for? I don't know what the hell that stands for. Probably the area he was from.

A hometown. It's from his hometown. Yeah. So imagine that's your nickname as a fighter. If you guys haven't seen, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, I always mess it. What's the documentary they put actors in it or what about that? It's like dramatization. Dramatization.

They did a great dramatization of it. It's really good. So, so here's what happens. It's a cool story. So he gets in the ring with Ali. Ali's the greatest boxer all time. This guy, Chuck Weppner, who are you? They fight.

I don't remember what round it was, but he knocks Ollie down. So everybody's like, what is going on? he ends up making it to the very, very end, the 15th round. Ali finally TKOs him, not because he goes down, but because he's just beating this guy to death. Yeah. And finally his corner throws in the towel. Yeah.

So everybody in the crowd was, people were cheering for Wepner because it's like this underdog. Yeah. And he's just, he's not going down. I believe he has like a cool story too. He's like a garbage man or something. Yeah, he's some regular blue collar guy. Yeah, he's like a blue collar dude.

That's a cool. It's a really, you can look up. Yeah. I could watch that again. So, so, So Vosso Sloan watches this fight and he comes up

with the inspiration to write Rocky. Yeah. Locks himself up in his apartment for three days. Writes in three days. Writes the whole script,

90-page screenplay for Rocky. He actually put a newspaper on his window. Locked, like blacked everything out. I'm just going to stay here until I'm done. Writes the whole screenplay,

90 pages, brings it to companies. And he's like, I want you. And they looked at it. Like, this is a phenomenal. They like the premise. They liked the idea.

By the way, during this period of time, he had less, about $100 in his bank account, was going broke, sold his dog in front of a 7-Eleven. Yeah. Which he says in his own words, like, it broke. It broke him. Oh, it broke him. He was dead. I think he sold them for like 50 bucks or something like that.

Or cheap, something cheap. Well, meanwhile, the studio was making them offers for it. So he brings it to these studios. He was tearing it down. They read this and they're like, this is amazing. Yeah. We would like to take the script. We'll buy it off you.

And he's like, you don't understand. I'm going to be Rocky. Like, we're not going to buy it. So they offer him this much money, that much money. Eventually, you know how much the offers get up to? Back in 1970. I think it was like a quarter million. $360,000.

That's like, what is that? Like, almost $2 million today? Yeah. To a guy who's broke. He never even acted before, had he? Like, little bits? Yeah, like nothing. He did adult films back then.

Did he? I wasn't going to say that. Look at this guy. He's trying to not targeting. I'm going to ruin some mess and stuff. Bro, he was trying to make a transition from a cult film is the real acting. That's what's going on.

And they're like, come on, this guy who can't speak very well, we're going to make him a little. Can you look at your portfolio? Yeah, hey. What have you done before? So anyway, so they're offering him all this money and he's like, no, the only way I'll sell this is if you put me in the movie.

And finally, I don't remember who it was. They're like, let's do it. And they're like, but if you're behind one day, you're out, anything happens, you're out. Yeah. They didn't miss a single day. They did the whole movie for, I don't remember how much. It became one of the top, obviously he won an Academy Award.

Anyway, he gets paid, goes back to buy his dog after the movie comes out. Right. The owner knew he was kicked, like, did well. He charges him a lot more. Oh, he ended up buying his dog, but I don't remember what the price was, like thousands of dollars. That's a dick and stuff. That's a dick, too. But you know what?

It's so slimy. I know, slimy. I know, slimy. But yes, you know, he buys Buck Kiss. Buck Kiss is in Rocky 1 and 2. That's the dog? That's his dog. No way.

Yes. Oh, that's a cool story. Was it like a St. Bernard? No. It's a bull massive. Oh, Bull Massive. He bought it for $15,000 in 1970, whatever. What a dirt bag move?

That's a, bro. He sold it for $40. $40. And he sold it back. What a dick move. Yeah, 1971. It was in 1971. I did not know that that dog was his real dog.

Yeah, scroll down to the reunion, Doug. What does that say about this reunion? Once Stallone successfully sold a screenplay, his very first priority was getting dog back. the new owner, realizing how desperate Stallone was to be reunited with his pet, took advantage, demanded 15 grants. The loan paid the hefty fee without hesitation, later

stating that Buck Kiss was worth every penny. Wow. And so Buck Kiss ended up, you know, was in his movies. No. So how do you feel about the actor that's going to play him? You did a good job. I mean, he sounds like him. It's kind of weird. It looks like him a lot too. Yeah, yeah. It looks good. It looked good. I would tell you if it looks like.

You know, I tell you what. For the younger people listening who haven't seen, Rocky, it is literally one of the, it is literally one the greatest movies ever. It is, though. I'll give you that. You guys know it changed culture. It says it's so much conviction.

No, no, Rocky changed the culture. So much conviction. Doug, remember. Doug, did Rocky not change? Dude, I drink American culture. Raw eggs. I mean, it worked on me. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I played the theme music and band. I mean, it's a classic. It's a classic, for sure. It's 100% of classic. It got people to run. Do you guys know that? We were just talking about running earlier. Oh, yeah.

Rocky definitely popularized running. Oh, how close could you? We talked about this before, the book on running that was famous, but they're right around the same time. Yeah. The combination of those two was probably... Oh, Rocky... How many people punched frozen meat?

Nobody did. That's the question. Nobody punched frozen meat. I've punched frozen meat. I did it every time. It's ice. You break your hand? Yeah, you still do it.

You still try it. Rocky did it. Exactly. Everybody's tried it. What is it saying about? Yeah. What is the same about... Did he break his hand doing that while he was shooting?

That's what this trailer says. I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's true. They had to dramatize someone. Yeah, you got to kind of spice it up. I think, I'm so excited, dude, to watch that the remaking. When is it dropping, South? In November.

Oh, that's actually pretty, okay. Yeah, dude. Oh, wow. You know, I'm going to take my kids. I'm taking everybody, dude. It's going to be a bit of the theater. Let's do that. It's going to be great.

I'll watch it. I'm making fun because it's like, it just feels like it's squeezing that franchise of like one last drop. Well, this is a good one. Like, Rocky. I mean, I'm like you, Justin. I get really, like, I was, I waited to watch, I didn't watch Dutton Ranch until recently because I was just like, gosh, they always want to squeeze. I hate that.

It's like the low-hanging fruit. But it's been all right. I actually liked it. I watched the whole series. It was good. It's a bit dramatized. So Rocky, Rocky 1 and 2 were genuinely good movies, okay? 3 and 4, fun to watch, but not, you wouldn't put them in the category of 1 or 2, but fun to watch.

After 4, they suck. Wait, 4? 4 is like, 4 is like a good, like, 3 and 4 is not like a good, like, It's funny you say that because three and four are the best. What? So three and four because we grew up as kids watching those. And three and four is exciting and fun. But they're not like a cat,

you're not going to win an Academy Award in Rocky 3 or 4. But one and two, those are like... For originality and all that. Just for acting and drama and stuff like that, you know? Like Rocky 4, he fights the Russian. Yeah, of course. It's one of my favorites. Dude, it's the best.

Yeah. I mean, I got me more hyped than anything. Does anyone ever wear in it win an academy for a sequel? Probably part of what? helps you win an academy is the originality, bro. Yeah. I would imagine... Yeah, for just the concept.

Think of that. How many sequels have you seen somebody win an Academy Award for? That's a good question. It hasn't happened very often. He's pulling it up right now. Let's see. Godfather, too?

Oh, Godfather. Oh, see, Godfather part two, arguably better than part one. Yeah. I would argue. I mean, look how rare it is, though, right? Yeah. Terminator 2, course.

Oh, that was good. Visual effects. Terminator 2 was better than 1. Yeah, it was. It was genuinely, that's pretty well-made. So, I mean, it's happened, but look how rare it is, though, right? So it's pretty, it's pretty rare for a sequel to outperform. Rocky 2 has the best scene of any Rocky movie ever, and that's when Adrian's in the bed in the coma.

You always tell us. Oh, that's the best. Yeah, the Matrix is like, oh, that was a steep drop, dude, after the first one. Oh, yeah. It's such a great movie and then just, Star Wars had a good, what was it? What came after the first one? Was it returned? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, that was good, too. Yeah. I mean, all those are good. Yeah. I mean, the ones they did later were the ones that weren't good. Yeah. But the original three were, I think, amazing.

But it's rare. That's so rare to get. But those are all almost like different stories within themselves. Yeah, you're right. So that's what makes, and Godfather, they said, there's such a big storyline behind that.

They're almost... Well, so Godfather, too, the reason why it was so good is it went all the way back to Sicily, and so much of it was his grandfather, you know, and Sicily. And that's the culture over there.

Yeah. Back story. And they captured it so well. Like the Sicilian that they speak and the Godfather 2 is real dialect. It's like real Sicilian. So when they're talking, when they're searching for the boy and they're yelling out and talking. As a kid, I watched it. I'm like, whoa, they're speaking dialect. Because nobody speaks dialect anymore.

Nobody speaks Sicilian anymore. You know, everybody speaks to traditional time. Really? Yeah. Why? Just just when when Mussolini took over Italy. Isn't there a bunch of it? different dialects in Italy?

What is, is Italian? Doug, look this up. Is it the Italian that we accept now as Italian? Was it the Roman dialect? So Mussolini takes over Italy, tries to unite it, and makes one of the dialects the official Italian. And so from then on, in all the schools, you spoke this type of Italian. Before that, depending on where you lived, you speak.

How, Florentine? Florentine, sorry, okay. How different is the dialect? Is it bro? Is it way different? Is it... Bro. Milanezzi?

Yeah. So the dialect from Milan versus the dialect from like Sicily. Yeah. You sound like two different languages. So would you compare it to something like Spanish and Portuguese, how they're similar enough, but they're very different. No, that's completely different. It's not that far.

But like, so like you'll have words that come in from Arabic or Spanish. And then you'll have different pronunciations or the way they emphasize certain words. So somebody who understands one? So there are total different words in the dialects. So. But a lot of it is like... But there's enough that you can understand. That's hard to say.

I think if you have someone now that speaks Italian fluently and they heard different lilacs, I bet they would run into a lot of them where they'd be like, I don't even know half of what you're saying. Huh. Yeah. Oh, that's wild. But yeah, like now if you go to Sicily,

you won't hear Sicilian unless you're like maybe buying like fruit in the market or something, you know? You might hear some of it. Yeah. But you don't speak it. Can you like from a far, like, you know right away? Like, oh, that's just... Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. It's like that, that distinct. Especially the Sicilian that we, the type of Sicilian we speak, because we're from near Palermo. So it's a type of dialect that's from Palermo that sounds very distinct, which is interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

Just old countries, you know. Yeah. I mean, we, I mean, we see this even in the States. You listen to someone who talks from New York to somebody who talks from California, for someone who talks from Texas or Alabama. Like, they definitely, we all have our own. Even the Midwest, it's funny because when I was there, it was like, You just, the way that they say certain things is so different, you know, and you pick up on it real quick.

Aren't there certain words for certain things that are like in, I think it's in, isn't the Midwest? They don't call soda soda. They say pop. Yeah. Yeah, pop. I grew up calling a pop. A lot of it's in Washington. Dutch, Dutch culture.

Really? It's big. Yeah. And then like, like, there's tennis shoes or sneakers. And depending on where you live, it's either tennis shoes or sneakers. Yeah. There's stuff like that in the U.S. But really old countries have more distinct dialects because you didn't travel very far, you know, 500.

600 years ago. It's like, you're not going more than 100 miles away from, probably not even 100 miles away from. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I heard you say something to Justin and somebody commented,

I was doing a video of meal prepping on Sunday, and we bought this new salad from a, Tony. It was Taylor Farms and a bunch of people DM me. No, don't eat any uncooked produce. Cyclospore. Is that the name of the parasite, Doug, cyclospore?

So it's, yeah, they said there's, There's this huge outbreak. All over the U.S. So this person that made me sense, it was just 10th our farms, but so it's like just like all lettuce. Yes, and it's everywhere. And cyclosporesis.

For sure, it has it. What's the symptoms? Explosive diarrhea. Oh, really? Like horribly explosive diarrhea. I mean. And stomach pain.

Yeah, without being too descriptive. It's, yeah, it hits, dude. You don't have it, bro. You'd be sick. I don't know. You'd be really sick. Well, maybe the mild form of it. So, so there's, it's probably underreported too.

So like some states are reporting more than the, than the federal government's reporting. So it's whatever you think it is, probably more than that. Here's a problem. Symptoms begin two to 14 days after exposure. So it could be like two weeks after you ate something. Because they're like these little eggs. So hard to connect. You can't pinpoint it.

Yeah. There are these little hard like eggs, I think that take a long time to like turn into the parasite. That's so creepy. Yeah, dude. So. And washing something doesn't take it off. No. You have to kick it.

You got to cook stuff to kill it. Oh, my God. I know. So I won't be having any of that. You know, the thing about treating yourself for parasites, by the way, because they're much more common than people realize. There's something called a Herkheimer effect. I've talked about this before on the show. Yeah.

Where when you're treating yourself for a parasite or bacterial overgrowth, sometimes you feel worse because the die-off releases all these toxins. that can overload your body, in particular overload your liver. And so people sometimes will treat themselves for parasites. And they're like, what's going on? I thought I'd feel better, but I actually feel much, much worse. A lot of it has to do with the liver getting overloaded. And the liver can get strained from parasites as well. Speaking of which, the dose liver product is phenomenal.

So I've been looking at some of the studies that they post on their site on how it lowers liver enzymes. Oh, okay. That's legit. It's really, really good. it's it's it's it will definitely lower uh your liver enzymes uh as measured by blood test by taking just their two ounce daily shot i'm trying i'm trying to remember where mine was at yeah that's got to be just the good practice in general to do that every now i think mine was high one not like bad bad high but a little high it's not anymore it was high before yeah you've seen it i normally sent it to you

it's because what you were taking uh it was the cratum oh yeah yeah yeah because you were taking such such such high doses of cratom it was affecting your liver It would be interesting to compare that. I guarantee you if you took it now, your liver enzymes will look better. I guarantee it. That'll be interesting. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, yeah, of course.

That makes sense. Yeah. Because it wasn't like scary high. No, but it was, yeah, it was a flagged a little bit. It was stressed a little bit. I can laugh at it. It shows you how safe grade of is. It's a real liver.

Don't do that. Alcohol will crush your liver way faster. Oh, my God. Yeah. But I still get, you know, I still get messages almost weekly. From people who... Yeah. A lot of people.

A lot of people. A lot of people are talking about it now that weren't talking about it before. We have big name people in the space, too, that have reached out to me that you would never guess. And that are like, hey, I heard your interview. And, man, I felt so stupid. I've been wrestling with it, like coming out and admitting it. It's crazy, dude.

It's, again, I think the same thing with me as it was... It's easy to justify because it's this herb. Yeah. No, it's an herb, you know. It's like over-a-counter herb thing you can get. So it's in there. Oh, yeah. You know, and it is kind of mild at first, but, you know, it's, you quickly adapt.

Well, I'm, I'm in, there's a lot of issue, a lot of people having challenges of Kratom, but the, the super concentrated versions are really scary. Well, yeah. And it's, now you're dealing with like legit. And it's crazy. That's available. Isn't that crazy? It's easy.

Well, it's bullshit. It's the California ban the Crave. them, but they left that part. They left that, okay. Leave the worst for option. I mean, so yeah, so you take away the people that were just dependent on taking, you know, X amount of them a day and then you give them no option but to go that route, which is, I mean, you're guaranteed you're going to get a bunch of people on that.

But, I mean, could you imagine that's what, I mean, luckily I was aware enough to know that that I, that was a slippery slope to head that way. But it's real easy to justify it after you get up to the amount of the powder and pills that I was doing a day is. You just go like, what am I doing? I'm taking 50 of these. I can just take three of these little ones. Yep.

And you get the same feeling. Oh, God. Makes you know, man. Holy Toledo. Crazy. Have you guys, were you guys, was it you, Justin, that you said when you were a kid, they tested you for the gate programs? Yeah.

Yeah. Was that you also? No. No. No. Fuck you got. He did the other program? Yes.

They give them the fence program. We got gate. So, did you actually get into. Gate or you test? Yeah, I did. I got into Gate, but then like, I didn't last like the whole year. So, yeah. So I got tested for Gate. Beat some kid up, I'm sure. I got tired to beat all the nerds, dude. No, so Gate, what did that stand for back then? It was gifted and talented education. Is that what it was? Yeah. Okay. I don't know what the E was, but it must be education. So I got tested for Gate as a kid. And I, I purposely tested poorly because I remember the, yeah, my mom

I'm not all excited about it. Oh, Gay, this is going to be great. This is so awesome. It's for gifted, you know, kids or whatever. Right. And I purposely did not want to be in anything that was harder. So I purposely failed it or whatever.

But have you heard the conspiracies? Yes. Around Gay. Of course. Yeah. Tell me. Well, yeah. So it's actually they attributed to a CIA program.

What? That they used for like filtering and farming, like kids, like early to see whether or not they were gifted in numbers, they were gifted in algorithms, like, you know, certain things that they had certain talents and traits that were useful for,

like, intelligence agencies. Oh, my goodness. That's one of them. There's another theory. Okay. So this is a fast-growing conspiracy theory. Is that the gate... Devids are these demons.

No, stop. I'm done with that. For now. For now. That the gate program for gifted children from 1979 to 2010, that selected children, pulled them out of classrooms,

gave them a pink fluoride-based drink. Yes. I've heard about this. I don't know if, I don't remember if I took it. I didn't. I don't think I did. I don't know. I'm not sure, dude.

Honestly, I'm not even sure. Bro, they gave them a pink fluoride-based drink, and they ran test on them. And the conspiracy claims that the memory, that the memory thousands of Americans' experience of going to a place called Mall World. So apparently, there's this, like, dream that all these people have who are in gate,

where they go to a place called, Mall world. Shut up. And they're saying that the government was experimenting with being able to implant memories into kids, dude. I haven't heard that. It's an urban legend and internet phenomenon. It stems from childhood memories of school-based fluoride rinses.

And it's frequently tied to online conspiracy theories suggesting these programs. Listen. Dude. Listen, I try, I believe every conspiracy. I brought a long time ago. Remember that video game that was up in like Oregon or Washington that was like it basically would deal all the suggestive, like flashing images. No.

Yeah, people would get all these psychotic episodes as a result. Oh, Doug, look up a mall world conspiracy theory. Because this one's crazy to me. Now, thankfully, I haven't never had a dream of going to mall world. Because if I had read that and I had a dream of that. Mall world, like, it's a popular internet phenomenon suggesting that thousands of people share the same reoccurring dream of an infinite maze-like mall complex complete with airports, amusement, parks, and hotels.

That's so wild. It's okay. Have you guys ever had a dream of Mall World? I haven't. No, mall world. Not that I can remember. I only had the naked one at school. That one.

You were naked at school? Yeah, yeah. Has everyone had that for? I had it. Yeah, I think everybody's had that one for. What does it mean if you're naked and you're flying? Wow. In an airplane or you're flying in here?

No, I was like, I ran. Floating. I was like running off of the wharf and there was this updraft from the end of the wharf. And you're naked? I was naked. I don't know why I was naked. I have no idea. And I'm like, oh, I'm going to jump into the water.

And it floated me up and then I started flying. And then I woke up. Wow. That's weird. It was fun. I'm still, I'm still. Definitely means he's gay. I still.

For sure. I thought that at first. I was like, no. You thought that at first? It doesn't work for me at all. He's like, damn it. Damn it. That's my end.

Is that one? Repressing this. Still my therapist. Dude. Stop. Stop, dude. So they didn't test you for gate, huh? I know.

You're such a dick. Doug, you guys are looking at you guys are getting MK Ultrid. Hold on. I want, Doug. Look up. Google, what's the opposite

of the gig program? Special ed, dude. It's the Fudge Pop. It's the fudge pop. Welcome to paste eaters. Yeah. Yeah, window liquor. Oh, that's so messed up, dude.

That sucks. So fourth grade was when I remember. Remedial. Remedial special education. Why does that sound so? Or general education program. I know, that's messed up, dude. I do remember the gate program, but I don't remember any of us testing for it.

Like, I just knew of it. I just can't remember. It was in fourth grade. It was the only time I remember hearing about it. But I don't remember, I don't remember. I don't remember if we took a test or not. I was good at math, though, at a young age. I was really good at math.

My son's got that, too. It was really cool. I just found that out. Literally the other day, they just started, which is so crazy. He's not even in first grade. He's in kindergarten going into first. They're already doing timed math.

Wow. Where he's like, and they had the time up right on the top of his thing and how fast he can answer. Yeah. And I was like, oh my God, I can't believe you're doing this already. It's not crazy math, but still it's math. You know, it's like, I remember doing this like in fourth grade. And he's going into first grade and he's doing it.

And he got like a minute 45 on this. And I'm like, hey, buddy, I said, are you, are you good at this? Can you do it without seeing the paper? And he's like, what do you mean? I was like, can I just ask you right now? Can we see if we can beat this time? He's like, okay, sure. And we did it.

And he did it in half the time. I'm like, okay. He's a number wizard. Yeah, he's going to be good. Well, remember I told you guys that stupid cartoon that. that he fell in love with really young. He was like three. Hey, I told, I told Adam about this cartoon to show his son.

Tell him what he said. So funny. There's this show my kids love. Yeah, what's it called? Wild Crats. Yeah, yeah. Crats is the last name of the two guys that are like, they teach you about animals and stuff.

My kids love it. My son's like giving me all these facts. Oh, it sounds like something Max will be into. So I tell Adam, like, tell your son, tell what he said. Yeah, yeah. So we were actually watching something else. And I'm like, oh, you know what? Uncle Sal was telling me there's a,

there's a show you would like. And he's like, oh, yeah, what is it? And I'm like, well, let me see it. And I text Al and then he tells me. And I'm like, wow, crats. And he didn't recognize it. And he didn't recognize the name. And so I'm like searching it up on prime.

And then it pulls up. And he's like, oh, yeah, I know what that is. No, I don't want to watch that? And I'm like, well, come on. Let's watch it. Don't you like? He's like, Daddy, I used to watch it when I was a little kid. Okay, dude.

It was like, okay, bro, what, six months ago? Back in the day. Like so long ago. I don't watch that. Yeah. That's old news. I used to watch that when I was little. You know, I was like, okay, kissing.

Yeah. That's funny. That's funny. Kids are funny. I got a study for you guys that was sent to me. Oh, cool. All right. Hopefully you can follow up.

So our partners from Joy mode, right? By the way, they name their product hard plus now. It's a new name for their product, which, it makes sense. Wait. So you're hard and then plus. It's hard plus. So this is. Okay.

So what they have. Interesting pivot. I know. Interesting pivot. So they have a product that is, it's all natural and it's designed to improve blood flow, specifically for sexual performance. However, taking it daily is good for vascular health as well. So it's good for vascular health.

It's good for workout performance. And then, yes, it will help when it comes to sexual performance, especially for men with things like erections. Anyway, they sent me some cool studies on some of the compounds that are in there. Citraline, which is in there, by the way. There was a study on citraline and erectile dysfunction. They took a group of men who suffered from mild forms of erectile dysfunction. Half of them had normal erectile dysfunction just from citrilling. Half, just from citrilling alone.

Now, Hard Plus has that. They should change the name. Hard Plus plus. Also has argony nitrate in there. Now, are you sure this is a really, really good? Because it says Joy Mode Hard Plus, is it still Joy Mode? Mode is the company. And Hard Plus is the product.

Because they have other products. That's right. Now, what was the product called before it was called? It was just Joy Mode. Joy mode. Yeah. Yeah. Add a subname, I think, like sexual performance booster.

So then maybe what, maybe they're just setting it up for having a product. They do. They have other stuff. They have testosterone stuff for testosterone support. They have something else in there that we should check. Is everything mostly based around sexual health with them? You know, good question. Why don't you click on Joy Mode?

I mean, it says Joy Mode's sexual wellness. Improving testosterone and blood flow. Yeah. So that's the hard. So, but the compounds in there, the organinite, by the way, you guys, really boost nitric oxide a lot. Now, we've all taken, I take this, I love their stuff pre-workout. That's how I use it. Pre-workout.

But the clinical trials of this stuff is legit. And it's a cool, all-natural way. Beast-mode bundle. Yeah, so, so they have. Ro-flow. So they have one for testosterone. They have a prostate. support supplement.

What's ignite? It's a libido booster. Oh, click on that. Okay, yeah, what's going to be different than the libido booster that's different? One improves your ability to get erection. The other one makes you horny. Yeah. So libido booster literally gives you more of libido.

Oh, what's probably in the ignite then? Yeah, I want to read what the compounds are. Look that up. On the bottom, Doug. It's not going on. Oh, here we go. Sheets in it. Yeah, so they got saffron.

Oh, horny goat wheat, saffron. Shalajit and Mukana pre-reanis. Oh, yeah, that's dopamine. One of them boosts dopamine. One of them has been shown to raise libido. The other one has not been shown to raise testosterone.

That's legit. They do a good job. Yeah. That's a legit supplement. We should have Doug test it. The quality stuff. Oh, yeah. I'm all for it.

Yeah. Remember Doug's birthday? Remember we had his birthday? Okay, okay. You got to keep bringing it up. You bring it up. From what we heard. Everybody says something.

nice about that. He's a good lover. He's a good lover. Everybody's like, whoa, my God. I was like, whoa. I think God there were no kids there. What's your story? Just I only hear you. Yeah, so it was funny. Last night, we're all hanging out in the living room, Courtney and myself and Ethan, and we have the dogs, and we're just watching TV. And Courtney gets up, get a drink and I'm walking back. And we have all the windows up. It's super hot out. and so she's kind of walking by and then like immediately it gets so scared and jumps and like so what scared her

like in the window one of the cats was right there and it like meow but it sounded like an old witch it was like it's like mealo it literally sounded like it said like hello but meow lo and it scared the shit

That was so funny. She jumped, and then we, anyways, we were making fun of Ratchel. That was fun. Yeah. Are you good about when it gets on a hot day like that? Well, you guys, are you the old man who will, you know, turn off his AC, open up the windows, breathe, let the house breathe, type of deal? Yeah, I'm, I go back and forth with that depends on the degree of the heat. Yeah.

If it's, like, really hot, I'm, like, closing it up. It's been too muggy. I don't care. I'm, like, turning the AC on. But actually, Courtney fights me on the, she's more of the old man. Oh, she wants to open up an air. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's funny.

You know, Katrina's not because Katrina is paranoid. Somebody's going to climb in our window and, you know, steal our child all the time. Bro. One of the things that we are always going back and forth with, like, she also, like, the minute I walk out the door, she locks the door. So heaven forbid, I'm carrying shit and I forgot something or anything like that because you can guarantee before I even get to my car, the door's bolted behind me already. Wow. She's like, middle of the day, it doesn't matter. Did she ever get a break in or something?

No. She's just, and I know it stems, because her mom is like that with locking everything up, and so they've just been, and I'm, why it's funny is because I'm the other way.

I'm the way extreme. I grew up in the country where you leave your keys in the ignition. I know, we always have doors on lock. Like, I literally grew up most of my life. Like,

you just leave your car keys in your ignition. Nobody's going to come out to your house. Safe neighborhood. Yeah, you live out in the middle of nowhere, you know what I'm saying? And so we don't lock, we don't lock doors.

We don't close windows. was we didn't take the keys ignition. So you have that, I'm that extreme. And then she's like, the minute I walk in or out of a door, it's like, and there's nothing like,

or I'll be like in the backyard, using the blow in the backyard or what that. And then I go around the front to put, put my blower in my garage. And I go to go on the front door. And the front door's locked. And I'm just like, I'm here.

Nobody is going to come get you while I am on the premises. I promise you. We have cameras everywhere with sensors and everything. I'm just like, and it's the middle of the day. It's so wild, dude. Have you ever had a break-in? You did, right?

You had your car stolen. I've had my car stolen twice, but I haven't had... What are the odds? I mean, just cars. Yeah, I've had cars. You have two? Stolen or broken in? Brogan into.

I mean, I have, I think, two major reasons why, both of them. I mean, my first car got stolen because I was a young, dumb kid who, you know, this was my car that I had big old subwoofers in. And when I was 20, you know, I'd roll it in the next. neighborhood with the windows down and I mean and it's red and bright and has stickers all over of all the expensive parts I have on it. So I was like it was basically said come steal me. You know, so shame on me, right? So I totally was that guy. And so eventually somebody came in and stole it and stole all my parts on it. So like that was like a lesson of grow up. You

know what I'm saying? So that was that one. The truck, the lesson on that one was having advertising a a yard sale. So we advertise a yard sale in the newspaper and everything like that to bring as many people as we could to that and attracted people from all the way from Sacramento all over the place come here. And I had my big old lifted truck

with nice tires and wheels. Someone just cased it. Uh-huh. Just cased it. And very next weekend they were, and I had a camera and everything. So you watched it happen, you know, watched them breaking it and drive off and,

you know, cops don't do nothing about that. I had a break in once. And you guys know that story. That made me, that traumatized me. Not necessarily a bad way, but more like a hypervigilant. Like, you had like a ninja sword. Bro, I bought all kinds of weapons. That about ridiculous.

So are you really, like, lock up like crazy? Now I'm kind of healthy about it. So we lock up at night during the day. It's not a big deal. Will you sleep with a window open? Yeah. Yeah, I'll sleep with a window open. Yes, yeah, I would too.

But we're upstairs, too. I mean, that's my son's room is up two flights. Oh, and she doesn't want that window open. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. So, like, I try and logic my way through this. It doesn't work.

It's like, you do know someone would have to have some special ladder that they can extend over and beyond my car. Over beyond my car are floodlights that would turn on and my cameras that would alert me. They would get past that. So let's pretend we have that. And then when they actually climbed through the window, our sensors of our alarm would go off.

You know that, right? I had friends. I had friends in France years ago. They were on the third story. They slept with the windows open of their hotel room. Somehow, somebody through the balcony, in the middle of the night, one of them woke up. There was a random guy, stranger, going through their purses. Wow.

She wakes up screams. He grabs their cameras and goes out the balcony. Dude. And stole their freaking, yeah. So I don't know how that happened. I don't know if you went from one balcony. At a hotel? At a hotel.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. That's not good. I know. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, that is crazy.

The only hotel stories I thought I've heard are when guys bring back like prostitutes that end up taking all their stuff. Yeah, yeah. Wait till they get in the shower, wait until they get in the shower, take the Rolex, their wallet, all their stuff. Yeah. You ain't reported that. I've heard that story a few times. Yeah, you can't tell anybody that story a few times. I can't call the comments.

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Good. Who's the cutie? Yes, this is Anastasia. Oh, gosh. The show, the reason I'm here today. Oh, awesome. Well, how can we help you? Yeah, so thank you guys for, I don't know if I've just been listening closer because it's things that apply to me currently, but y'all have been talking a lot more about postpartum stuff. So it's been super exciting to hear.

I've been a listener for a long time before I was postpartum. So I appreciate you guys kind of stepping into that space. So six months postpartum, I'm 32 years old. I'm back to my pre-birth weight, which wasn't even necessarily a goal at this point in time. But I've been having a lot of hip flexor tightness and like my range of motion has been really limited. And so I had nothing crazy. with birth had a really normal birth, praise the Lord, and no pelvic floor issues afterwards. I did do pelvic floor therapy for about three sessions between six and 12 weeks postpartum.

And they tried to address the tightness that I was having, but she didn't really get very far with it. So most of this kind of just resolved, I guess, through, I don't know if it's through stretching or just doing just, you know, regular day stuff. have a pretty noticeable interior pelvic tilt. I notice it basically all the time like when I'm walking around, carrying the baby, doing all the normal day things.

And I'm having a hard time. I think because of that, I'm having a really hard time getting my grease activated. And just trying to figure out how to get kind of back on track with that. I feel like my glutes have deflated since I had a baby. And so just trying to get kind of not necessarily back to where I was, but at least back to mechanically functioning well so that whenever it is time for me to start lifting heavy again, that I don't make myself prone to injury or have any other issues from there.

Yeah, good. Good question. And you're six months, six months, right? Postpartum? Yes. Okay. So we have to be, we can't understate this. And I think we often do partially because some of us bounce back or seem to bounce back quickly.

And then we see people who bounce back quickly. And we feel like, oh, things should move a little quicker. But we just need to really respect what your body went through, through the pregnancy process and the birth process. And so a lot of muscle recruitment patterns changed. They had to change. and to get them to go back to feel the way that they did before can take a while. Okay. Now, you're six months postpartum.

Your fitness is probably great. You're able to work out. You feel pretty good. But you're like, you know, my body doesn't feel exactly like it used to. I got a little bit of pain here. This feels a little different. Like what's going on? It takes time.

So there's a couple of things that you want to really focus on. I would continue to do the pelvic floor exercises and movements. I would strengthen the TVA. So vacuum kind of exercises. Are you familiar with like vacuum pose and vacuum exercises? Okay. So you're on your hands and knees. You let your belly hang.

And then you draw in your midsection, like you're trying to suck in your stomach. You draw it in as tight as you can. Like you're trying to make your waist as small as possible. You hold that with a really, really hard draw in for 10 seconds. Relax, let your belly hang, take a few deep breaths and repeat that. So that's strengthening a muscle that is called the TVA transverse abdominis. And what that muscle does is it wraps around the midsection and it acts like a weight belt.

So it's not the abs. It's not the obliques. It's a different muscle underneath. And that muscle has to stretch and atrophy during pregnancy. In post-pregnancy, you can do crunches and oblique exercises. You can do all these core exercises, but that TVA activation oftentimes is very stubborn to kind of go back to where it was. And that helps with that stability because I believe your hip flexor issues coming from instability in your core, maybe possibly your hips, from just muscle recruitment pattern issues. And so I would work on that.

I would do the pelvic floor exercises. And if everything feels okay, unilateral exercises for the lower body are a great place to go for now. So like a program like map symmetry. I mean, I like her on starter first, though. Just because of the lack of glute activation going on right now, she's going to, that's, she's a, that's, she's, Starter will be great too. And you're going to be activating the TVA and all the balls. It's already in there.

Yeah, it's all in there. So I would do starter first, then go to symmetry. And everything is Sal saying, too, when the core, the TVA is weak like that, it's going to exacerbate the anterior pelvic tilt, too. So Map starter would be first, then symmetry, and then I think you'll be feeling really good after that. And just to just consider this, the most fit, most consistent female clients I've had, it typically takes between one to two years post-partum to really feel like your old self.

Yeah. So that doesn't. I listen to the episode about that. And it came at the perfect time. Like I really needed to do it. Yeah, because, you know, you get back into shape. You feel good. Your body weights the same.

But there's like, and you know what I'm talking about. You're like, oh, God, why do I hurt doing this? And why do I feel kind of like not? Takes about a year or two. So just give yourself some time. But you're doing a great job. Yeah. Yeah.

The one thing that I noticed, too, is like I, so I went back to work and I was working way too much. And so I didn't have time to step into weight from like period until about a couple weeks ago. And I, even though I've scaled like seriously all the way back, like my warm up squat weight used to be around 135 and I'm warming up like just with air squats and like the bar. I think yesterday I put on like 10 pounds on each side. And I was so sore afterwards. And like I'm obviously probably because I haven't done it in a long time. But is that very common postpartum too? Super common.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's been so hard to. That's expected. Yeah. No, no, no. Now that you told me you just started two weeks ago, I definitely do Map Starter. Yeah.

Starter than symmetry. Callie, Map Starter is going to feel super easy. Yeah. Don't, don't doubt it. Follow starter. Yeah. Don't do anything else. Follow starter.

You'll bounce back much faster if you do it the right way. Then symmetry. And that that's like, because one of the things that I guess in my mind is like, you know, neurons that fire together, they're wired together. So I'm with the baby and like carrying the baby in a pelically tilted position often, you know, anytime pick her up and trying to do something. Is there, are there any tips or tricks that kind of work? One of the things when you start practicing the job,

drawing maneuver that Sal's saying you can do that like right now I can talk to you and I'm drawing in right now so when you become mindful of that and that and you get good at practicing that you should practice that when you're walking around with a baby think about it think about drawing that core in while you're doing it and practice and the more frequent you do that the better support you're I mean honestly the best advice I could give you because here's okay you could also overthink it while you're with your kid and it'll make things feel very anxious and honestly the best advice I give you is very simple. Try to alternate which hip you hold your baby on. That's the really the issue when we start to see is when women will hold their kid always on their left side, always, always,

always, we're always on the right side. Then you start to see some like overuse type of stuff. So just, you know, okay, got to hold her under my left now, you know, type of deal. Okay. Yep. You're going to be good though. Yeah. You are, you, I see your breastfeeding still through and working too right now? Um, so I, I am still breastfeeding and then I just went. part-time. So I actually, I work from home now. My goal is about 20 hours a week. I'm a therapist, and so I actually recommend y'all's podcast to one of my clients. Oh, thank you. Oh, yeah, because our professions overlap more. Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah, so I actually have a lot more time to dedicate to this stuff now, which is great. Awesome. No, no, that's excellent. Mapstar is perfect for you.

Yeah. Follow it all the way through, though. I know when I had to keep telling. It'll feel easy. When Katrina was there, she was constantly, I want more. I can do more. I know I can do more. I'm like, you're fine. You're doing good.

Follow it all the way through. That is how I feel. You'll be good, though. Yeah, you'll get there faster than you think. Yep. All right. Thank you. All right, Callie.

Thank you. Oh, I love it. She's adorable. I love when people have their babies. Yeah, yeah. When I used to have my studio, I was like my favorite because I owned it. And I'd have clients that have kids. I'm like, bring your baby.

I changed diapers between sets and feet. It was like my favorite thing to do. You know, you really, we really have to respect the postpartum period and the fitness space does a terrible job. It communicates it as if it's like, yeah, three months later, six months later, you're, and then you have women posting pictures of themselves saying, I feel exactly like I did, I'm totally fine. Maybe they're telling the truth, but I think a lot of them relying.

But for most women, it takes a while. Well, even if they're telling the truth, it's genetic anomalous. It's like comparing myself to Phil Heath. It's like, you have, I mean, there's, of course, there's people out there that build muscle and can look like that and so at that. And of course, there's some women out there that they do. Babies out. They're right back to squat and heavy weight and doing their thing. But it's like, that's an anomaly.

It's not, it's not the common rule. Most, like you said, take a year or two before I thought. And when you say that, I know that scares people because they think, oh, my God, two years before. No, it's like you can make progress that whole way. It's just you don't feel like, oh, I feel like my old self 100%. Our next caller is Nikki. from Ontario. Hey, what's up, Nikki?

Welcome back, buddy. What's up, guys? How you doing, man? Good, I'm good. How are you? Good, bro. All right, give us an update, man. I've already met with you a couple times because we gave you coaching, right? You're working with Robbie and, yeah.

Yeah, so tell us what's going on. Okay, so I'm going to start with that. Okay, so I've been given a lot of things in my life and this was the best thing I've ever been given, hands down. So I can't express from the top of my heart. what that meant to me. So giving me Rob was just amazing.

Like, nothing hit me more than actually being an impatient for my anorexia. So, like, in terms of recovery and outcome, I think was spot on. And so, I'll just I have a short little thing.

I should have reached out sooner. I'm sorry, I should have reached out more to Rob, though. I'm a little guilty about that. Because it took me a little bit to start adapting to what he was saying. I was being a little hesitant and resistant. And like, I just let it, I was upset that I was letting the tendencies come back into my life. And this, I thought it was done with it, but I didn't realize that it's just a lifelong

process. And, like, and the hardest part, but Rob, Rob knew was just that no one around me understands what it's like. It's not just like, like, when you're at the time. Italian especially, it's just like just eat it and shut up type of thing, you know, and so like, and being in an atmosphere where no one understands what a like trigger is or something and how to deal with it is like I was, I was just glad to have Rob there to kind of reinforce me about like, eat more and it's okay and like, and I also had you guys. I always kept you guys in my ear while I was working and I, it's just been amazing to go through this. whole process again in terms of recovery and he acted like my psychologist when i was like even though he may not have known i used him like that like we barely did a lot we did do training but i mean i used him more as a as a like someone to talk to type of thing because there's no one around that understands so but now that i've started adapting to what he's saying i'm hands down

like whoever's listening to this you guys got it on the ball like like it works so once you start like i know i'm not eating enough yet and still triggered by certain things and like carbs and but i'm getting more into me but like within this the second week i was already feeling better my libido skyrocketed like everything everything was just improving now the only thing is my sleep wasn't as great but um i'm still working on that but everything else just like top of the charts like I just I don't know like I don't know what to see Nicky I'm proud of you good job dude I'm proud of you doing great it's a big step man yeah really enjoy meet with you

and I love hearing about the updates from Rob I think you're doing a phenomenal job it's hard it's hard bro what you're doing is really hard it's it's hard it's hard It's hard because, you know, like, we're going through hell trying to have a second child. And, like, I don't want to say that it's my fault because of what I've done to myself, but it is my fault because of what I've done to myself. And I've allowed it to creep back, and I need to get out of it. And because we're paying for all this stuff, it was kind of like we're paying and paying and paying. And it was all in vain because I wasn't doing the things that I needed to do at the end of the day.

You could have gave me all the medication, but nothing was, nothing was turning it around. Like, look, just eating more, man. Like, holy cow. Like, I mean, it's not even just, it's not even the training. Like, obviously, the training helped and him coaching me and doing that, like, MAPS, Nicky. It was, it was amazing. Like, that, doing that, it's just, and like, so, thank you. No, you're doing good, Nick.

But I'm going to, you mind if I add a little bit to this? Yeah, sure. I want you to be very careful with the shame for maybe mistakes you might have made in the past. Because what that leads to is you feeling like you need to keep punishing yourself. So, so guilt is I did something that was wrong. Shame says I am wrong or I am bad. And so if you keep looking back, if you don't forgive yourself, if you don't genuinely forgive yourself, what you're going to do is you're going to keep beating yourself up because you're going to feel like you deserve.

to be beat up. So you'll never get out of the cycle. Okay? Yeah. So you've got to really forgive yourself. And so this is just an exercise you could try, Nikki, on your own, is you can picture yourself as a little boy and you can talk to yourself like you're a father and talk to yourself about what happened.

And then forgive yourself. And I got to tell you, you're doing a great job, dude. A couple things, if you don't mind me sharing. Can I share a couple things? Yeah, sure. I know you've done a phenomenal job without weighing yourself. Right? Yeah.

That's excellent. You're trusting the process. I'm sure you get the temptation here and there to be like, oh, my God, am I gaining weight? What's going on? You haven't done that. We've consistently be able to slowly add more food to your diet. And the result of which has been way more energy and your libido's coming back. Yeah.

This has only been 90 days. The Nikki right now. The Nikki we're talking to right now is not the same Nikki that I talked to when we first had you on here. So you're already a different guy. You know what's going to be like in 90 days from now? Even better, bro. A different guy again. Yeah, you're doing good, dude.

I know. I know. Thank you. No, you're doing good. The important thing is that you stay consistent. And here's the thing, if you mess up, you've got to forgive yourself and then get back on. You got to forgive yourself and get back on. Here's the other important thing.

You can't keep this in the dark. So when certain things start to creep up again, you got to share it with people that you trust because they flourish. Like mold, it just grows in the dark. You got to put sunlight on it. You have anybody in your life that you could trust, that you could talk to you like that? That's the problem. Like, you know, my wife's going through this whole thing with the fertility and like our house got flooded. who are dealing with that, and there's no one else really.

Do you got Robbie for? Okay. Yeah. Use Rob. Use Rob for that. Use Rob for that. Use Rob, your wife, you trust your wife. Keep it out in the open, dude.

Yeah. Tell me all the positive things that have happened last 90 days. Okay. So I wish I could eat more, but I'm slowly trying. No, no, no. I'm going to pause you. Nicky, I'm going to pause you. Give me the positive things.

I don't want to hear, though, I should have done. Give me the positive things you did that's happened last 90 days. My libido's up. Good. My lifts are crazy up. Awesome. Guys at work are saying that I'm not like Mr. Mopey anymore. I'm not Mr. Angry.

Yeah. Mood's up, strengths up, libido's up. The thing is mood is up. Like that's the biggest thing. Like, you know, that's the biggest. marker of like it's just it's a good feeling did not be so like angry at the world type of thing and that's yeah yeah dude like if i could give myself that that is enough you know i mean like good and you said you're eating more yeah good i don't think i'm where i should be

but yeah no no stop it you're never going to be yes you're never going to be you're never going to be where you think you should be yeah hey listen i don't think i'm where i should be right now either That's never. Yeah, that's forever, dude. It's a journey. Never ending. All right, dude. You're killing it.

Thank you. You're killing it, dude. Yeah, man. Keep it up, brother. Pump yourself up. Yeah, how much longer do you have with Rob? Are we almost done with him? Yeah, we're done.

Okay. Yeah, we're done. I got you on a call. I think I'm meeting up with you again later today, aren't I? I think so. I wasn't sure if it was the same, this counted as the same call or there's a separate call, but. No, we'll get more. personal in the private call, then we are here with the public one.

So I'll meet with you again. Don't throw in me with a good time. Good stuff, Nikki. I'm proud of you, dude. Yeah. You're doing good. Doing good, brother. Yeah, you're doing it.

You want to get back on to 60 days? Let's keep you back on here. Yeah, I wish. All right. I'll see you again, dude. Good accountability. Hey, you look healthy. You look healthy, bro.

You do. You do. You look better and you sound better. Look at your face. You look better and you sound better. You look at the, you got the, you got the, Hey, listen, your libido's up and you're more handsome. This has got to be a good news for wife.

Oh. She's got to appreciate that. I'm going to tell her that. Good. All right, brother. All right. I'll see you again. I'll see you again here and I'll see you later today, all right?

Take it easy, Nicky. All right. Take it easy. He's had a huge success, dude. I know. Because I've met with him a few times. Well, you see he even has a hard time pointing it out. You can hear it.

in his voice how much it's impacted him and changed him, but he has a hard time communicating it. Mood is way better. Libito is way better. Energy is better. Strength is up in the gym. Yeah. You know, his peers and people he works around,

feel it, notice it. You know, it's because he hasn't practiced saying those things in community. It's because shame is a killer, bro. It's a killer because, you know, you can be guilty. There's nothing wrong with saying I did something wrong. But when you feel like you, you, I deserve to beat the crap out of myself. for the rest of my life. Yeah, it's a cloud.

That is gonna kill you. And the only way to move forward, there's nothing wrong with saying I did something wrong. That's okay. Some people think the opposite. Like, I didn't do anything wrong. No, no.

If you did something wrong, you did something wrong. But you look at it, you forgive yourself, and I'm gonna move forward. Otherwise, it's, you know, I deserve to be a piece of crap. I deserve to feel like a piece of crap.

And that's gonna just, ironically, results in the same behaviors that you did before. Our next color is Jeremy. Hey, Jeremy, what's going on? How you doing, man? Hey, good morning, team.

Good morning, team. Hey, I really appreciate you all taking the time to take my call today. I'll go ahead and jump to the question, and then we'll just engage back and forth. So I am 51 years old. I serve in the military. I work as a chaplain as well as a licensed mental health therapist. But excitingly, next spring I get to retire after 31 years. I get to be a civilian finally.

About nine months ago, I decided that I wanted to see what I'm truly capable of physically. as it relates to just trying to be in shape. I'm leaving the military. I'm leaving my culture that has held me responsible and accountable, and now it falls back to me. So I've set up some pretty significant goals here. One is I want to attempt to compete in a men's master's physique competition, a late summer of 2027.

I'm not doing it to get a card in any way, shape, or form, but it is just to compete. I would love if it is that this works out, maybe by 55, that I become competitive in that division. I'm just trying to see what it is that I can do in my 50s. But very specifically, though, I'm trying to become Alpha Grandpa. As I retire and transition, as we get older, I want to try to stay fit and in shape and strong and mobile so I can engage with my grandkittos.

Stomp, stomp, I don't have any yet, but hopefully in the near future. So since I've established this goal, I have reduced my body fat from approximately 26% down to 21.3%, but I've maintained about the same body weight. So I've basically been in a kind of a recomb over the last nine months. I'm 510. My waist has moved from 43 inches down to 39 inches. Of course, all this is based off of, I only have access to a bod pod. So I utilize that once a month, at least as a metric to see where it is that I have been

and I continue to use it. Of course, in the military, we get height and weight waist measurement circumference. I have gained about 10 pounds over that nine months as the lean mass and a fat ratio has begun to balance out. but I do know that as I anticipate stepping on stage, I'm going to need to cut probably 35 pounds. So I'm very aware that we always have to lose more fat than what it is we anticipate. Objectively, I know that I've made incredible progress over the last nine months. But subjectively, though, I feel like I'm in this awkward middle ground.

I don't feel as if that I'm lean yet, per se. But at the same time, I don't feel like I've yet built enough muscle. Kind of justify any dedicated growth phase. nutrition-wise, I am consuming about 2,800 calories a day. The breakdown is 250 grams of protein, 300 carbs, and then 70 grams of fat. I do average about 10,000 steps every day. I do perform some steady-state cardio a couple times out of the week, but then my lifting is very consistent.

I do three days on one-off, three-on, and I cycle back into about a 90-day training cycle. I've basically built my own training program based off of everything that I'm I've learned off the podcast and books, but I'm definitely not married to it. So I'll know if there's a better way to structure my program over the next year because I really need to lock in. I'm completely open to change. The issue that I'm having is I think I've consumed way too much information at this point. I'm very analytical person. I'm very data-driven.

So, you know, I've read books, listen to the podcast, countless videos, try to understand all the science behind training and nutrition. I think at my age, I think I have the maturity. I've got the patients like on the mindset to accomplish anything. As a mental health therapist, I know how to create goals. They create behavioral change. But ironically, though, I think I'm not feeling confident in what it is that I'm doing. So I've kind of hit that paralysis by analysis phase. So I think I understand all the individual concepts that I don't think I've yet to follow up a strategic

foundation to do what it is they need to do over the next year. So really, I'm posing three questions and we can address them. So if it is that you're in my position, and you know, you've got about 12 to 13 months before stepping on stage. You know, how would your approach to the next year? What would be the changes that you would make on nutrition, cardio, and the training, structure, programming, but ultimately, do I continue in a recop,

which is a very slow process, but it's been successful, but I need to lock in, or do I need to go into a surplus, or do I need to definitely go into a structured fat loss phase sooner? So that's my question. This is fun and easy for me. All this is awesome.

The only thing I'm not a fan of is the date, is that you're putting a date on when you're going to do the stage, and what we should be doing right now is, you can run a dry run. this and you're not ready to run a dry run right now because your calories are too low where you're currently at. We need more runway than that to get where you're at. So a reverse diet and getting your and building right now is a better strategy than trying to just recomp. Like we need to, we need to build some muscle mass and build the calories up. And through that process, you're still

going to probably get leaner. I mean, if we if we add five, five pounds or 10 pounds of muscle to your body, you'll be leaner on the on the scale. But more importantly, you'll be eating more like 3,400, 3,600, 3,800 calories. And if I do this correctly, I get you in the low teens and eating 36, 3,800 calories. Now we're an optimal musician for you and I to go, okay, this is the show we want to do because we're only 6 to 8% away from where being that far away percentage-wise to be stage ready and already saying this is the time frame or date I want to do, bad strategy. first get yourself metabolically where you need to be and feel good about it.

And even then, what I would suggest, what I did before I got on my first stage was, okay, got myself, spent a year of building the metabolism. Then I did a dry run as if I'm going to prep for a show. So I got myself to where I was eating 4,000 plus calories. I'm at a place where I'm about 11, 12% body fat. Okay, let's shred. Let me see how they got all the way down to low single digits. but no show in mind.

It was just how long is this going to take me to do this to healthy the right way? And I've to watch because I've never done it to that level. And so I go, okay, I see I can cut this many calories and then I go here and then I can start adding this many steps. Okay. And so then I go, okay, now I'm ready to set a date because I have an idea of what that should take.

That would be the only real advice or thing I would change about your whole plan because I love it as a goal. I'm a total fan of it. I think you're a guy who absolutely could execute. and follow it. But what I would do before I said in 13 months, this is what I'm going to do, I would get myself in a better place metabolically. And I'd want to be somewhere in the low teens before I commit to a show date.

It's just a way better strategy. Otherwise, what will happen from that high of a body fat percentage and saying a date, you're going to get in this like, I got, I got to cut, I got cut, I got cut. And then before you know it, you're going to be eating 17, 1,800 calories and doing all kinds of cardio to try and shred. And the metabolism is going to be so slow. and you're not going to see the progress. You're not going to be happy.

So what we should do now is build. We need to build. Jeremy, that makes sense. That does make sense. And I was using the date as a forcing function, you know. And I'm not married to that date either. Cool.

Again, I was just using that as, hey, here's the definitive target because then that helped me create a backwards, backwards plan to what it is what I'm doing. Okay, Jeremy, are you, do you train naturally?

Are you on TRT? Are you, so, um, um, I, No, naturally. I mean, so I am on HRT because of my age.

Historically, if you look at a lot of the research, men in the military, historically have had low testosterone due to operational environmental stressors, lack of sleep and whatnot. No worries. And I finally did, I did get tested a handful years ago because I had a variety of symptoms correlated low testosterone. That's good. And about a couple years over, I did start. So that does leave out a natural option, which is why then I was aiming at MPC. No, the reason why I asked is because I don't like competing, especially for a guy, you know, over 30, if they're natural, because it destroys your hormones. But you're on HRT, so you'll be a, you'll help you hold on to lean body mass.

Yeah. What Adam said is I would support 100%. Do you understand what he means by runway, right? Because you're at 2,700 calories. You'll end up somewhere around 17,600 calories to try to get stage ready. You'll lose a lot of muscle mass. It's going to feel terrible. Yeah, yeah.

And you're too big of a guy to do that. You should be a solid guy. How tall are you? I'm 510. Yeah, 510. We want to come in the show probably around 180 something. You know, it's probably what you would end up hitting stage, 180 to maybe 190, depending on how much muscle mass we have.

And you're, we want it. So we'd want to be in the teens before we cut, like low teens before we cut for a show. 12, 13. And in a place eating a lot of calories. So that, the first good goal for like if I was your coach and we're talking through this. say our first good goal is getting yourself in the in the mid to low teens and eating the most calories you've ever ate like that is the first goal because if we're there then I know I got

lots of room because I can pull a half a percent to a percent of body fat off you a week I can do that from a healthy metabolic place from an unhealthy metabolic place I don't more and likely we won't pull that much body fat off that fast and then then you resort to all these crazy extremes just to drop the weight and get a little leaner. And the muscle comes off with that. You feel like shit. And it's not a good strategy. How long have you been consistent with lifting?

Well, you know, being in the military, I've been very active. You know, so I've lifted all the course of my entire career. This specific journey is related to, I mean, lifting for bodybuilding. It's specifically been nine months. So I've really transitioned to being a, you know, a standard gym goer to, training specifically for body. Oh, good. Okay. So here's what you would do now through that process. Your goal is to get

strong. Yeah. You got a lot of room to get strong. If it's only been nine months of dedicated like traditional strength training, you do what Adam's saying. So you slowly increase your calories and get strong. That's the goal. The goal is, can I build strength? That'll build the muscle. And so at the end of this, you know, you're eating 3,800 calories. Your strength is through the roof.

And your body composition is probably better than what it is now. And then we We've got some really good place. We've got really good place to go from there. You listen to this show pretty consistently, Jerry. I do, yes, sir. Okay, so the big thing I would just reiterate that you've probably heard us talk about it. So your personality will probably be the type that has the ability to push and do more than it's what's necessary.

And so if I was coaching you through this process, that would be a lot of the conversation is like less is more. Like, just get strong. And that should be your indicator, not how sore you are or how much you can handle in a workout. So don't let that be your guy. Don't be like, oh, I can do another set. I feel, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm too old to be, I don't chase numbers anymore. So you're averaging about what, six days a week in the gym?

I am. I do three on, one off, three on, and then I take two days off on a recycle. So I follow a nine-day asymmetrical training week. Yeah, yeah, why don't we put? And I do like push, pull legs. Okay, that's all right. You know, upper lower, upper lower program is going to be lower volume, and I think probably more appropriate.

I think you'll probably see more gains from something like that. You might be doing too much. No, really. That's a lot in the gym. Especially, especially when we're in the build phase right now. I don't need you to be doing like a ridiculous middle. And this early on in your kind of like bodybuilding career, like let's save more for later. Like I'd rather stair step you.

And what that would look like is running you through a surplus in a, in the diet right now in a program like that. And then when I increase your calories again, that's what I would allow you do a little bit more. And so as you've progressively add calories, we might add a little more volume or add a little more intensity into the, into the training to support all the additional calories. And so, and that, I'll send you maps up or lower. I think that'll be, it's a good bodybuilding routine. It's a four day split. So four days a week in the gym. It's a good amount of volume for a guy like you. It's not overdoing it. I think six days a week on average in the gym is probably overdoing the volume to try to build for most

people. So I'll send that to you and that way you have our program. Increase your calories. Get strong. Get those, get the, get the metabolic rate where you want it. And then from there, I think then you'll have a good time. And I know it's, I know it's generic numbers. And if we were coaching it, it would be more specific to you. But, you know, good generic number for you. You want to be in the high 3,000, especially a guy who's stepping 10,000 steps a day. So you're an active person training quite a bit and your size. You want to be at least 3,800 plus calories. And in the teens body fat percentage. So that should be goal first. Can I get my calories at high while getting my body fat percent and getting your body fat person down is not through cutting. It's

through building muscle. So can I build muscle, build the metabolism to where I'm eating that much and my body fat is starting to get in the in the mid to low teens? That's our first goal. And that's yeah. And it's and it's been, you know, it's been uncomfortable, you know, increasing calories because, you know, you know, growing up with a fear of carbs, I'm going to get fat. but what's been interesting over this last nine months is that, you know, I've been increasing my calories that I'm staying full and satiated and my body fat is beginning to go down and my positive weights are going up. So some of that fear is, is leading.

It'll keep working. It'll keep working that way. So that's, and that's where we want to keep focus is keep doing, keep doing that because a guy you're active as you are, you should be able and your size. You should be able to eat high 3,000s comfortably and be able to. to be in the low teens. And that's a better position for us to start talking about, okay, this is when we can do a stage.

Understood. I appreciate that. I appreciate that, guys. Thank you so much. You got it, man. We'll send that program to you. All right. Thank you, sir.

Have a great date. You got it. I'm glad I asked if he was natural. I don't like, especially if you're 51, I don't care how healthy metabolic rate is. You get on stage at, you know, single digit body fat. You are destroying your hormones. Oh, you absolutely would.

Everybody. Where he's coming from. You absolutely would. That's way too low. It's too low of calories to that high about. body fat percentage. But even if you had a great metabolic rate, if you're natural and you get down to,

you know, stage ready is like 5, 4% body fat at the high end, your hormones are screwed. Oh yeah, your testosterone's in the tank. There's no way. Our next caller is Amanda from Indiana. Hi, Amanda.

Hi, Amanda. Hi. Oh, my God. This is so crazy. All right. I really wrote myself a little outline, so I'm just going to get into it so I don't ramble.

So I'm 31, mom of two. I have a two-year-old and three-year-old boys. And earlier this year, I was on GLP1 for about six months. I did semi-glutide. During that time, I lost 25 pounds and went from 32 to 26% body fat. I just used a scale at home to get those measurements. And then while I was on the shot, I was doing full body lift two times a week. And then I would do one day of like intentional zone 2 cardio, just 30 minutes on the stairmaster.

And then steps-wise, this is the same like now and then. It varies a lot. So I'm a receptionist two days a week. So those days, very, very low steps. Like, lucky if I get $6,000. And then the rest of the time, when I'm home with the kids, it's really anywhere between like 8 and 15, just depending on the weather, what they're doing,

how busy we are, things like that. And diet-wise, while I was taking it, I probably averaged around 1,500 calories, and I made 100 grams of protein my goal per day. That was just what was like reasonable for me to get to within those calories and with appetite and stuff. I stopped probably about five pounds short of my goal, about 1% short of my body fat goal. And the reason for this was I feel like I could have achieved the like numbers goal. But we just anecdotally, we were really pretty avid hikers. And we did a long weekend trip in Big Bear.

And there was one day we did like a five mile hike that just like completely whooped me. Like when six months prior we had done Zion like basically top to bottom with no issue. So I just knew that I was like really depleted. I felt really weak. It was time to kind of turn things around and start getting strong again. I think at the same time I was listening to you guys and there was a podcast. One of you had said something along the lines of like with 20,

26% fat with more muscle. You're going to look better than like 22% with little muscle. So that kind of was what got me to turn around. Let's see here. I do think some good takeaways I had from the GOP one. As far as like things I took from diet is like I can ignore desserts if they're in my house now for the most part. We eat way less like takeout pizza.

I feel like I can leave food on the plate at the end of the meal when I'm full. So I do think there have been some lasting effects in that regard. Um, so then since I've gotten off the medication, um, in the last two and a half months or so, I think I put on about five pounds, one percent body fat, give or take. Again, this is with my scale. So I know it's not perfect. Um, and then calories, I'd say I'm averaging between 23 to 2400 calories, uh, with 130 grams of protein. Um, the calorie, I think I mentioned this in my original email. I've tried in the past to have like a daily calorie goal that's like the same throughout and that I just don't stay consistent with it. And I think it has a lot to do with how my days are so different. Like the days that I'm not moving at all, it's like a labor to get to 2,000 calories.

Whereas the days where I have 15,000 stuff with my kids, I feel like I could, you know, eat a horse and still be hungry. So I try and I don't try. I do kind of log my, weight and body fat in my wearable every day and use the calories. It says I'm burning to kind of determine what I'm eating throughout the day. Again, I know it's not perfect, but it's kind of what keeps me more or less consistent. And then workout-wise, what I'm doing now is a four-day upper-lower split. I've cut out like the intentional cardio. I just do what I do throughout my day.

And then lift-wise, for squats, I've put on 25 pounds, bench. I've put on 15 pounds. RDL, I've added 20 pounds. And right now I'm in the, I have two more weeks of like a five by five split or five by five, whatever you want to call it. And then as far as goals go, like I said, I would want to put on muscle. In long term, I just want to be a great mom, like have good energy. I feel like I'm a very kind of average person. Like I wouldn't call myself a fitness enthusiast, but I care about it. I want to be healthy. I want to have energy. be fun. I've always felt like though my kind of struggle is like if I'm not tracking or trying to lose weight, then I'm probably gaining weight in a bad way. And I'd like to get away from that.

And I'd like to be able to just kind of live my life and be aware of what I'm eating without having to worry about like am I going to put on five pounds this weekend. So I guess tips, advice, guidance from you guys. And then also any advice you have on. I guess maintaining like self-control while reverse dieting because I definitely do have tendencies to binge in the evenings, especially my husband travels for work a lot. So if he's not home and then the kids are in bed, like I'm basically just alone looking at the kitchen. I can do some work. So yeah, just any advice you guys have. Amanda, you're, you're killing it.

You're doing a great job. All the things you're doing. even the undulating the calories. You don't have to eat a consistent calorie every single day. I'm way more pro you eating more on those days when you're more active and need the calories that makes total sense lower on the other days. So you're averaging out the 22, 2,300 calories. You're in a much better place calorie-wise. You're at a much better place protein-wise.

The fact that you've added 25 pounds to your squat, your bench is going up. That means we're getting stronger. muscles to come. And you're going to, and your body comp is going to change. You're going to continue to get better. Amanda, do you mind if I, if I ask you some questions to dig a little deeper? Of course. Yeah. When, when you went on the GLP, what was the main motivation for, for getting on that? Weight loss, aesthetics. I was low energy. I kind of, I mean, it was the dead of winter, too. So energy was low from that. Here in Indiana, we don't really get the sun after. October.

But I, so my two, both my kids were giants when they were born. And both were C-section. So after my two-year-old was born and that until I started, JLP one, it's probably about a year and a half. I had probably put on close to 30 pounds. And it just, I was the biggest I ever had been. And I had kind of tried to do it on my own and was not successful. So it was accessible to us.

So I didn't really see it. reason not to. Yeah, yeah. No, nothing wrong with, nothing wrong with going on, but it sounds, and just correct me if I'm wrong, it sounds like you felt a little out of control, and the GLP one would have, would add a little bit of control, okay. Yes. And then the, you know, you did give us, you did say at the end, you know, husband's out, uh, traveling for work, your home alone. That's when you tend to, kids are in bed. That's when you tend to, you know, is that a, is that a trigger kind of feeling lonely, bored? Let me, you me, you I think it's boredom more than anything.

Okay. And the reason why I'm asking these questions, because now you're off, the GLP, and you stopped for a good reason. You stopped because you were eating too little. You felt weak and you felt tired. You said you think you were averaging about 1,500. Sounds like you weren't really tracking. You're kind of guessing?

I was, I'd say loosely tracking. I was losing weight, so I wasn't worried about being, you know, perfect with it. I would have like three or four days where I would track really good and then stop for three or four days. And it went, I'd say my lowest, it was like a thousand highest. It was like 1,800. So I kind of got in the middle. Okay. And then now you said you think you're averaging around 23, 24. Is that consistent tracking or is that another estimate? Yes. Now I'll stop for like a day or two, but then I'll be right back on it. And honestly, the only thing that really changes a whole lot is dinner. I eat pretty much the same breakfast throughout the week. Sometimes I'll do like overnight

it's instead of a shake, but it's the two, two meals, two, three meals are consistent. Okay. And then when you were doing, when you were on the semi-glutide, was it hard for you to hit your protein targets? Did you feel like you had to like, you only hit it 100? You said that. You had to kind of make it happen. Yeah.

Yeah, it was funny. It was almost like, um, the food versions they had from when I was pregnant, like came back. Like, it was very interesting. I've heard that. So I would guess your calories probably lower than you think, uh, during that period of time, especially if you were if you stopped because you started to feel kind of kind of weak. I like what you're doing now.

But I can hear a little bit of the fear in you like, I feel like I might get out of control again. Or maybe periods of time when I get out of control. Amanda, I think I think you're doing everything great, but I think you're a great candidate for coaching. I think it would be very valuable for you to work with a coach through this process because you don't have the chemical signal right now that's telling you not to eat. which it sounds like that's what you realize. And this is just how GLPs work. We rely on that. And then when it's gone, okay, how do I deal with this new signal that's coming back at times?

And I'm afraid I'm going to go right back to what I was doing before. And that happens. That happens sometimes. But this is the perfect time to work with a coach right now. Right now is the perfect time. You're off the GLP. You're going on a reverse diet. You're trying to build.

This is when you can develop new behaviors. The old behaviors that you used to do before the GLP, you won't. weren't committing while on the GLP, so those neural networks are weakened. So we're in a perfect position to get you in a new place, to not bounce back to what it was like before for you, where you felt like you're out of control. And so if we just do this conversation, I'm going to tell you you're doing everything right. And I think you are doing everything right. And I want you to build.

And I want you to eat only whole natural foods. And only when you're hungry, stay away from junk food and processed food. If you just did that, you're going to be fine. But if you know yourself and you're like, okay, this is going to be hard. And when the appetite signals come back, this is why I'm a little worried. What a good coach is going to be able to do over the next, let's say, six months is get you to a place where at the end of six months, you're like, man, I got this now. I'm not going to bounce back. I totally got this.

But that's going to be a bit of a process. This is literally the perfect time to hire a coach. The perfect time to hire a coach when you're on a GLP1 is on the GLP1 and when you come off a GLP1. But you did it on your own. now you're off, you want to do it now. You can always hire one later, but what often happens, and we have clients like this, is they go on the GLP, they lose weight, they get off the GLP, they kind of struggle through it, start to gain the weight back, then they come and see us and say, oh, God, I gain most of the weight

back. Now I want to work with the coach, and we work with them, and we have success. But it's like, man, if we got you before that, this would have been a lot easier. So this would be perfect timing for you right now. But I like what you're doing with your strength training. I like where your calories are at. The best thing you could do is avoid foods that are hyper palatable or that trigger you to want to eat more. That's the real basic black and white rule.

Even when you have those moments of boredom, you know, when you're alone at night and you go and get something, if you just made the right food choice. That's what I mean. If you just gave yourself permission, like, I can go in and go eat again, but I'm going to go eat a second serve. of what dinner was. That's right. That's right. Versus I'm going to go have whatever your thing is. That's right.

Because most people, it's this thing that's not serving you. And you can eat a lot more of it and it's high calorie and it's not high protein. Which, by the way, what Adam's saying works so well, but it's still not easy. So I just want to communicate this to you and anybody watching right now. It sounds like, oh, I'm hungry. You know what? I'm going to go eat a whole natural food meal. You're still going to want to fight it.

You're still going to be like, no, I'd rather have pizza or I'd rather have the ice cream. So it's still hard. It's just way easier than saying, I'm not going to eat anything because then that turns into something completely different. Yeah, that's true. So what Adam's saying works really well, but it's still hard. And so what a coach is going to do is walk you through that process. You're going to bounce things off of them. And then here's the other part.

The reverse diet part for you's going to be really scary because you're going to be afraid of what's going to happen. And they're going to coach you through the whole process. And so we're in a great position to build. You're already, by the way, your strength gains are beautiful. I think we have a lot more strength gains come in. And so we can really build the body that we want now if we catch you now. So what you got is about a six-month period here of amazing transformation if we do this the right way. Okay.

Is that something you're interested in? Because I can have someone call you to talk to you about that. I mean, I would be open to a conversation. I don't know if it's something that we would just be. candid, like, money-wise. I don't know if that's something we would pay for. Totally fair. But I mean, I'd be open to the conversation, definitely.

Totally fair. Yeah, worst-case scenario, we could even figure out how to have somebody set up your macros and everything for the next, you know, a few months. Nonetheless, nonetheless, what Adam mentioned, if you stick to that, you're going to be okay. Because what could very quickly happen is you start to revert to old patterns, and that spirals very quickly. the key to that is you're when you're not going to want to do it because it's not going to sound good

right so and then and this is the difference of like you know creating new habits and behaviors is you at first it's hard you still make the decision anyways then what you realize is you have that thing and then you're like oh I'm satisfied actually that does feel better it was it's just the moment of making the decision to do that instead the other thing and you'll wrestle with it quite a few times until you've done it enough times that you know and then that becomes a thing that oh, if I'm really hungry at night, that's what I go have. And so, and I don't know how long you've listened to the show, but I shared my journey when I used the GLP ones.

And one of the things that my thing has always been is ice cream. And it was like switching that over to the Greek yogurt and scoop of protein in my berries. And it's like that now becomes the thing that I go get at night. And Amanda, are you on compound pharmacy gLP or are you on the brand name, some agglutide, you know, with the pan? It was compounded. Okay. If it's compounded, you know, so you could also go on a really, really small dose.

you could microdose it. You could also get back on for a little bit to get back off. But there's some other options. Typically, when we work with people through this process, you see a, you know, there's a significant percentage that end up going back on for a short time and coming back off through this process. And then we have people that don't ever have to go back on again. So just keep that in mind and give yourself some grace because coming off a GLP can be a bit difficult for people.

Once that signal's gone, all of us, then people like, oh, what's going on here? Yeah, it's crazy. Like, you don't, I felt the effect at the very beginning. And then I was like, oh, I got this. I got this. And then like two weeks after I was done, I was like, oh, uh-oh. Yeah. Yeah.

That's exactly what it takes. Yep. Yeah. And then just one more quick question kind of as an aside. So let's say I do the next six months, like to a T, I get to where I want to be. How, I guess, have you guys in the past for either yourselves or coached, like, transitioning from a reverse to okay now I'm this is just where I'm at. Oh, you just enjoy what you're doing.

Yeah. You just enjoy what you're doing. Eat when you're hungry. Stick the whole natural foods and you don't have to worry. You don't have to worry about it. When you've done a really proper reverse diet, you actually get to a place. This is what this is the experience that most, if not all people have where they're like, I've never been able to eat this much food before and just maintain and maintain where

I'm at. And so what that allows. is this kind of natural undulating like you've talked about. Oh, some days when I get really busy, I end up eating lower calories. Then other days I have higher calories. Every once in a while I get to have a treat in there

or have a glass of wine or do those things I enjoy and it doesn't feel like I put on a bunch of body fat where our metabolism is really slow and we're in an unhealthy place and we have these bad days or things swinging like that. It feels like you just put on body fat. And when the metabolism is working for you and it's roaring, you have a lot of metabolic flexibility.

And so it's a lot easier. It's hard work getting there and building that. But once you're there, it's much easier to maintain. Yeah. Well, if you do this right, Amanda, you're pretty young, too. You're looking at six months from now, if you're at 25%, you'll probably get down to 23 with a much higher calorie intake and strong. Yeah.

Without having to do a cut. That'd be really cool. Yep. All right. Cool. That answers my questions. You got it. Good luck.

Reach back out if you need help. Thank you. Yeah, we'll do. All right. Bye-bye. She don't want to hear what I had to say. Well, look, here's what I, here's the thing. When I see a young woman, a 32 person isn't that crazy.

She wasn't really a candidate for sure. And you get on it, that's what I'm saying. And you get on a GLP, you know. It just shows you how popular it is. It shows you know, she was, you know, there was some, she was speaking a little bit too. Oursing discipline. And I don't know for sure.

This is just a short conversation. But there's, there's probably some tendencies there with food where you really feel out of control. Right. And that's why you're like, I'm doing the GLP. And with, Without coaching, very difficult, very difficult. On a GLP, you're just not hungry.

You don't want food. And so you could live that way. You get off. Those signals kick back up. It is very difficult to deal with them unless you learn how to develop new behaviors. Well, we didn't build those behaviors. We didn't really deal with it. That's what I mean?

The GLP won quieted the noise. There was no desire. Wasn't hungry. And I bet her calories were not averaging 50. No, no. She said already. She said 1,000 to 1,800. So she just chose 1,500 as like the middle.

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