Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2911: Machines vs Free Weights | 5 Times Machines Are ACTUALLY BETTER

Episode Date: July 29, 2026

MAPS Upper Lower: https://mapsupperlower.com Code: LAUNCH for 40% off. Four day split, male and female versions, workout videos and live coaching with Cole. Three days left on this offer. In this episode the guys break down five times when machines are actually better than free weights — isolating a muscle or movement pattern, when recovery is challenged from a sport or hard training block, adding extra volume without taxing the body, advanced intensity techniques like drop sets and forced negatives, and movement patterns that gravity-based free weights simply can't replicate. Sal shares how he is now training with machines more because of jiu jitsu recovery demands. They also get into the world mile record being broken at 3:42 by a British guy, the cyclosporiasis lettuce outbreak and how it spreads, the history of the marshmallow plant and why it was removed from marshmallows, creatine erasing the performance deficit from a bad night of sleep (confirmed by an ER doctor and a nurse in Sal's life), the gym industry entering a boom with 26% of Americans now having a membership, and K-shaped gym economics where budget and premium gyms are crushing the middle. Then they coach live callers submitted through mplivecaller.com.  SPONSORS Olipop: https://drinkolipop.com/MINDPUMP Buy any two cans in store (any flavor, any retailer) and they will pay you back for one. Cream soda discussed on air. New blue can design.   Legion (creatine): https://buylegion.com/mindpump Code: MINDPUMP for buy one get one 50% off (new customers) or 20% cash back (returning). Creatine discussed on air for sleep deprivation performance — 15 to 20g on bad sleep days.   LINKS Submit a live caller question: https://mplivecaller.com Mind Pump Store: https://mindpumpstore.com Maps Fitness Products: https://mapsfitnessproducts.com Instagram: @mindpumpmedia   0:00 - Intro 2:19 - 5 times machines are better than free weights 3:02 - Reason 1: Isolating a muscle or movement pattern for bodybuilding or corrective exercise 7:44 - Reason 2: When recovery is challenged from a sport or hard training block 12:47 - Reason 3: Adding extra volume without additional recovery cost 14:29 - Reason 4: Advanced intensity techniques — drop sets, forced negatives, partials and failure training 17:26 - Reason 5: Movement patterns that free weights and gravity cannot replicate 19:41 - Olipop, marshmallow root history and the cyclosporiasis lettuce outbreak 26:03 - Creatine erasing the performance deficit from bad sleep — ER doctor and nurse confirm it 30:05 - Sal's racing days, exhaust culture and why speed limits exist despite 800hp cars 50:55 - Gym industry entering a boom — 26% of Americans have a membership and attendance is at an all-time high 56:03 - K-shaped gym economics — budget and premium gyms are crushing the middle 1:00:19 - Caller: Nick (California) — contractor with wildly inconsistent schedule, undereating, gets coaching referral 1:16:33 - Caller: Rachel (England) — 58 years old, strong, lean, doesn't think she looks like she lifts 1:24:57 - Caller: Tyler (Washington) — 25 years old, feeling lost, Hashimoto's, dislocated shoulder, PCL tear, gets MAPS Symmetry 1:38:36 - Caller: Jenna (Wisconsin) — hip flexor follow-up, getting stronger, asks about next program after Symmetry, gets MAPS Strong

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The old comparison, free weights versus machines. Now, typically, when this comes up, we lean towards free weights, but there are times when machines are better. It's true. Today we're going to talk about the five times machines are better than free weights. I got two.

I got two off top of my head right away that come to mind. But you got how many? Five? Five? Five? I got five times when a machine can definitely be Brett better. Yeah, two quick, real quick, but five. Team Skynet, oh? Yeah, that's what I try to do. Hopefully this goes out to the ether and when the AI take over happen.

To build up these machines? We should save him. You talked about how we were better? Yeah. No, so this is a good, this is a good debate, right? And now, typically the position, I don't necessarily like the way that this, this comparison is set up typically. It's typically like which one's better for building muscle, which one's better. And I get the specifics. But overall, you know, when you compare them head to head and you look at the big picture, free weights tend to win.

Now we've done this many times on the show. But there are cases where a machine does a better job. And I'll give you the first one. This is the obvious one. And it's when you're trying to really isolate a muscle. Now, why would you want to isolate a muscle? There's two main reasons. One is you're a bodybuilder.

You're trying to sculpt your body. your body. There's a specific, like, area you want to target. And machines make it easier because it takes a lot of the stability and the balance out of it. You're, you're following a track. You're following the machine's movement. So it's real easy for me to, you know, lack a better term, because this doesn't really happen, but to disengage other muscles and just feel the target muscle. And this is why bodybuilders typically like machines. There's another reason why you might want to isolate a muscle. And this, maybe it's not necessarily isolating a muscle. Maybe it's isolating a movement pattern.

This is for correctional exercise. In the case of correctional exercise, sometimes a free weight is just too difficult for the person to find the connection to, and I can throw them on a machine. Stability emphasis, and this kind of helps to kind of take that down a bit and give you just like that single-focused track. 100%. A good example.

This would be like lateral stability of the hips, and there's lots of things involved with lateral stability. but sometimes it's so bad that I would take a client and I would try to lateral sled drag or two block and I'm looking at their technique and I'm like this is just not

like this is just not happening. Yeah. And I'd sit them down on a machine that oftentimes I would say as you slits like abduction machine and just because the only way the machine can move is out they'd sit down, press out

we would start there I'd build a little strength then I'd move on to the other movements. Rotator cuff would be another example. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean how often do you

Like, because, you know, that stuff's all getting worked in a shoulder press, but a lot of times you will, you know, you'll prime that before you go into, like, a pressing movement. For me, that's a staple go-to that I isolate. When I was teaching back in the day on how to pack your shoulder while pressing, it's not necessarily necessary for pressing, but this is a good way to separate scapular elevation from, you know, be able to move humorous up in this kind of overhead press position. Technically, what I'm basically trying to explain is there's two movements.

sometimes it's good to separate the two. And kettlebell practitioners would call like packing the shoulder. Yeah. That's the term. Machine overhead press makes it easy because I can like push this down. It's really for stability reasons.

You have any substantial amount of load over your head. Like if you're not engaging and keeping all that stress, like they're more in your back and allowing your back to take along the force, it's like it's leaving you kind of vulnerable up there. That's right. That's right. So I'm trying to isolate something. Machines take out a lot of the other.

components because you're following a track, the handle is set, you just move. Those are probably the two most common, I would think. Yes. Like, I think that, like, when it came to my mind right away, I was thinking of corrective stuff or bodybuilders. I mean, that's like, those are two good ones. Which, by the way, too,

those are the most common ones by far. This is also why there's, I think, such a big argument around this is because the bodybuilding space, especially on Instagram and online. is so popular. Yeah. That I think it's our most pushback. Yeah.

So it gets so much argument for hypertrophy and sculpting the body. And a lot of people identify with that. And so I think that why we've always taken a counter position of free weights so much is because there's so much value to free weights. And we do think that it's superior doesn't mean that there's not tremendous value in the machines. But I think part of the reason why we've taken the other position for so long so strongly is because I think it's been dominated on the other. Yeah, I think so because we could see value in what they're trying to argue a lot of times because it's like they're trying to, you know, bring more people in.

And it's like sometimes like you don't need to do the hard thing all the time. Like if you're just trying to express muscle contraction and build up strength and it's like, you know, ease of access and an introduction. But in terms of value and what you're actually like, you know, what's going to get you the first in terms of progress and actually getting you towards your goal, like free weights, you know. It'll just trump it. Yeah. So here's another one. And this one's coming to me now, just because now I'm starting to train differently. And I was thinking about this, and this makes a lot of sense.

And that is, machines can be very valuable when you're kind of redlining recovery because of a sport or something else that you're doing. So here's the argument for free weights. And then I'll argue why machines in some cases might be better, right? So in a strength phase, I'm off-season. I am training off-season. I'm not doing a lot of practice of my sport. I've got a couple months here.

I'm trying to build maximal strength. I'm trying to have the strength translate to the field. Free weights are great. They're great. Handling weight that's not stable is more like real life than handling a very stable weight. A barbell squat is going to give me way more carryover on the field than, let's say, a hack squat on a sled. But what about when I'm in season? What about when I'm practicing, expressing movement in season?

So a lot of whatever strength I build, or maintain, it's going to translate and it's going to carry over to the field because I'm practicing so much. Plus, the practice is beating me up. When you're in season, you're training, you're practicing, a lot of your recovery is there. The strength training is just to support. It's not the main focus. Unless you're a bodybuilder or a powerlifter, the strength training is the secondary or

even third role. The first main role is the sport and the practice. Well, machines may be valuable because they just don't beat you up. They just simply don't. Like, barbell row is going to hammer me more at the same intensity and require more recovery at the same intensity as a machine row. It just is. So if I'm pushing my body because I'm training a particular way for a sport,

let's say I'm doing a lot of like right now jiu-jitsu or I'm playing football or basketball. I'm a cyclist or whatever. But I want to train certain movement patterns. But oh, my God, my recovery is like limited. Machines offer you stimulus with less damage. So in that case, I could see them be. Well, I'll make the argument even not playing a sport,

staying in that recovery vein, right, that you're talking about right now. Shit, I just use this with Corinne yesterday. She's messaging me, give me her weekly updates. And she's like, I got squats today. Do you prefer if I do barbell back squats or I do hack squat? My response to her was, how do you feel? Yeah. If you feel fresh and good, get after that barbell squat.

But if you, I said, if you feel still a little sore from your last workout, go ahead, do Hacks Squad. That's not a big, it's great. It's not, it's not like this huge lesser lift, but I know it's less taxing on the body when you are. So, and this is how I use machines a lot. A lot of times machines will make their way into my routine, even when it's unplanned because yesterday are the day before I, you know, overreached or I, you know, pushed a little bit heavier on weight and I'm still my hips and legs are still talking to me a little bit and it's back to legs again and you know I pushed it pretty hard on say you know Monday two days ago or whatever

it was and so you know today maybe I'm going to do leg press maybe I'm going to do an exercise or a machine that I would say is a lesser uh you know movement in comparison as far as biggest bang for your buck because I don't always need that and so and I'm not playing a sport and so I think staying along the lines of the, like your recovery point is obviously when you're playing a sport, that makes a lot of sense. But even when you're not playing a sport and you typically have a week, and I think a lot of people have this in a week, like some workouts, you just get after it a little more than other workouts. And when you head into the work, when you're going back to that muscle group,

sometimes you're still taxed a little bit from that prison. Other times, you're not. Maybe you got an extra day of rest. Maybe you were well fed, well fed, slept. you didn't overreach the last workout and you feel fresh, then I'm going to push you barbell. Yeah, and what's, so in, you know, back to, you know, while you're training, like, you know, again, I just started getting into Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

So this is just top of mind for me. It's like the strength that I build in the gym, I really wanted to translate to jiu-jitsu. Now, does that mean I mimic all the jiu-jitsu moves in the gym? No, that's actually a mistake. A lot of athletes make with their training. We try to copy their sport in the gym. No, what I'm looking for is general strength in the gym.

and then what I'm doing is I'm practicing Jiu-Jitsu and this is what integrates strength into the technique. It's very specific, right? You can't really mimic a sport if you could do your best to do so, but it's not the same thing. So while I'm doing this, I'm like, you know, I'm already going to be training anyway. I'm going to be integrating strength anyway.

I'm going to pick right now, just because right now my recovery is being challenged. I'm going to pick the strength training that's less damaging. And it's just the fact that, guys, do a standing overhead press to failure, do a seated, machine press to failure. Both high intensity, both to failure. For sure, the standing overhead press fatigues you more.

For sure, it requires more recovery before you can adapt. And so machines just provide that. And then what you're saying, Adam, is really just machines can be a great way to even add extra volume. Yeah. When you're trying to add extra volume and you're trying to play that game of, well, I do my core lifts as the free weights, I want to add extra volume. I don't know if I could just add more sets of what I'm currently doing because

that might beat me up a little bit. let me go use a few machines and see how we feel. Easy way to add extra volume without taxing robotics. Well, especially at emphasis on specific muscle groups. Like I love doing that. Just do the broad lifts and get, you know, the overhead press, the bench press, the squat, the deadlift. But then, you know, if I want to put emphasis on certain muscle groups, like to add in for, you know, volume where I'm not, it's not super taxing. But I know that I'm, you know, getting them more stimulus.

It's a great way to do it. Well, especially in the same workout. is what I felt like. I'm not going to go do... Especially the same workout. Yeah, especially in the same workout. Like, I'm not going to... This is part of the reason why I wouldn't squat and deadlift in the same workout.

Is it possible? Of course you can. You totally can. People do. But if I give it everything I got in either one of those first, the second one is just going to... Danger level goes up. Yeah, danger level goes up. I'm definitely going to be probably overly sore.

Mechanically, I'm not going to be as sound as I was as I am when I'm fresh going into it. And so it's like, and I'm just overreaching. So I may as well add something to, if I'm adding more volume to my legs in that, like that'll be more machine based. That is going to be less taxing. And so in the same, I can see that in both cases, both in the same workout and kind of the scenario I gave where it's, that's right, two days later and you're still kind of sore. Exactly. Another point is advanced intensity techniques are just easier and safer with machines. I'll use a simple, silly example. Okay. drop set. Yeah, you're going to do a strip set. So a strip set is, uh, you know, I do as many as I can

with a certain weight, take some weight off, do some more, take some weight off, do some more, so on. So I'm trying to train strength endurance. Really easy with a machine, you guys. Really easy. I just move the pin. I stay seated or whatever. Move the pin, move the pin, move the pin. With, with free weights either requires you to have 15 pairs of dumbbells. Yeah. Or you got to get out and unload the barbell each side and you got to load it with small plates in order to make the, you know, the weight increments work or have a bunch of partners. It's just not convenient. It doesn't work very well.

But with machines, it works really well. Machines work really good with like forced negatives and forced reps if you have a training partner, partials. Why? Because the machine's there. You know,

I'm not going to drop the barbell in my head. The machine, though, if I fail and it's too intense, like, cool, I'm still safe. I actually, I probably take more,

because we're big on not training to failure. But if I train to failure, it's going to be on a machine. Rarely ever. In fact, I can't even recall the last time I took a barbell movement. It's been a long time since I've taken that to a failure set. And not that there's not value in it because I guarantee there's someone's freaking out right now that's like, oh my God. Yeah, there is. But when you're on a machine, I can be so strict with, let's say I'm using like a hammer strength chest press machine.

And I could stack a weight on there that I'm not sure. I can get five reps in. And I could take it. And at four, I mean, I can give that all I got and still remain with like perfect technical. The handles are going to stay in the same place.

Yeah, and then let it go and then it drops back on the rubber stoppers. And I've taken it right to failure, mechanically perfect. Or when you got like a barbell that you're trying to stabilize and you're also pushing to a PR limit, very difficult to not allow that shoulder to slightly roll forward or the black archer to do something that's not perfectly sound.

where with a machine, I can have perfect sound form and then take it right up to that edge and then stop. Totally. And I think that's probably where I used failure training more often. Even with the workout partner because someone's like, well, we just use a partner with free weights if you're going to do that, which is true. That's totally true.

But how about like you ever try doing negatives with free weights? It doesn't work. Hey, buddy, lift this weight off me and then let me lower it and then help me pick it up. You're like dead, right? With a machine, it's real easy for your buddy to help push the handles forward and then you slowly lower. Or a really hard, intense isometric where someone gets it in position

and then you just got to hold it. All the intensity techniques that I can think about, most of them, I should say, are easier to do with machines. With much lower risk. With much lower risk. And then lastly, this is an obvious one.

When I say it, it will be obvious. Sometimes certain movement patterns or skills, you can't really train with free weights because free weights, free weights fight gravity. so the resistance is going down. But when I use cables and machines, the resistance can go any direction I want.

I could go up diagonally. I could go sideways. I could go sideways down. I could do opposing, alternating. I could pull one handle while pushing another handle at the same time. I can use pneumatic equipment, which a lot of gyms don't have this,

but pneumatic equipment for explosive force is phenomenal. Try mimicking that with free weights. You can't really do that. Yeah, it's interesting. It's like what bodybuilders will call time under. tension. Yeah. Like, there's something to that for sure because you do feel the resistance like

continuously in certain parts where it would drop off because of gravity. Yeah. Yeah. I use a lot of machines for rear dealt movements for that reason. Such a small movement, such a small muscle. When you, I love it for, I love dumbbells for it too, but it's your, that's everything's bent over. Yeah, you're almost limited to that and you have to be in this position. And it's to do dumbbells, to be hinged over with support, isolate that, and you're only opposing gravity, really, when it's at the top point. And so when you're down, you have very little resistance.

No resistance. Yeah. Where, I mean, using cables really allows me to target that from different angles and keep the tension on it through the full entire range of motion. And so that's an example of a specific muscle that I use a lot of machines for rear delts, and I have found it,

which this is also what makes me, understand and identify with the bodybuilding hypertrophy person who like promotes machine so much is because I get it. I get when you're really trying to focus on a muscle and not incorporate. Because it's even machines, it's impossible to isolate. You can never isolate it. You can't isolate. True isolation doesn't exist. Yeah, it doesn't exist. Our bodies work synergy. All the muscles work synergistically and there's always going to be that. But getting it to put as much emphasis in this very small area, there's no better way than with a machine because it allows everything else to be so fixed in that. And so Rear-Delt is a good example of a muscle group that I almost

always use mostly machines. Totally, totally. Do you guys see the new can of Oli-pop is blue? Yeah, I thought it was a different flavor. No, cream soda, my favorite, my favorite. Okay. So I have friends that all they now drink is Ollipop. Yeah. They're not like health and fitness enthusiast, they just like the fact that it's low calorie. But you know what they like it? The taste. They're like, do I prefer the taste. A lot of parents I've talked to, like they love that they have an option for that

because their kids, especially drinking sodas. It's like, well, it's over somebody's house and they're like, hey, you want something to drink. They open the fridge. Yeah. And there's like, you know, beer, you know, there's a little like white wine, water. Ollie pops. I'm like, you, you think olive pop? Like, oh, yeah.

I love it. I'm like, are you trying to like cut your calories? Like, no, actually, I like the taste. But also, it's really low calorie. When you, when I wean myself off of the diet soda kick, because that's typically what I do with Oli Pops is, I allow that in and out of my routine. It's like, oh, I catch myself having a lot of diet sodas.

Then I'll switch over to Ollipop. It's trip when I get used to the Ollipop flavor and the sweetness of it, how overpowering like the artificial sweeteners. Oh, yeah. It's like you, it's crazy how the body adapts like that. Like it's, we've talked, I've talked about this nauseam about competing and never being a fruit. vegetable guy and then not having for a while and then getting introduced to that.

And then you're like, oh my God, your pallets changed. The same thing with sweetness. The other thing, too, is if you guys drink these regularly, pay attention to your gut health. That's really good. Oh, yeah. Yes, it's really good. There are compounds in here that are good. Well, there's certain fibers that are good.

They also put marshmallow root in here, which is good for the lining of your gut. Marshmallow root? Yeah. I didn't know that was a thing. It's not what you think. You know, marshmallows grown trees. Marshallows are good for you? No, no, no.

But they have good stuff. That's good for you. Where does marshmallow root even come from? Yeah, Doug, look up marshmallow. So, so... I don't even know those things. Sometimes the lining of people's guts get really, I don't know, for lack of my term, damaged.

And it's a supplement you can take that'll help with the mucosa... There is a marshmallow plant. Yes, there is. It's not soft and sweet. Yeah, it's not what you think, dude. I know. Does it even look like a marshmallow? It doesn't, really.

I mean, what's that one of the video right there where it says harvesting marshmallows? No, that's a joke. It's a joke. It's a joke. Do you guys remember? that when I was a kid, do you guys remember that commercial? I think Borilla did the commercial where it had Italians, they were like

taking pasta off trees. You're trying to see their pasta was natural and they're like pulling it off trees. It was a old commercial from the 80s. Oh, I don't remember that. Yeah, and it's like, but heila, you know, and as a kid, I was like, Barilla. And I'm like, I distinctly know that we make pasta. Like, I've made pasta.

So they actually used the plant historically in marshmallows. They don't do it anymore. Oh, interesting. I'm I never knew this, but in 1800's French confectioners started using egg whites and marshmallow plant roots to create a lighter aerated candy. Yeah. Oh, wow. So, Doug, look up gut health.

Mushmallow roots, gut health. Interesting that it started off as this thing that was a tree, but then also had some healthy properties to it. And we've just eliminated the healthy thing completely. Yeah, it's all corn syrup now. It's high mucilage content, which forms a soothing protective gel over the mucosa membranes. There you go. So it helps with acid reflux, gastritis, and stomach ulcers.

Because it coats irritated tissues and reduces contact. I wonder at what point did we eliminate the marshmallow from the marshmallow. Why? No, at what point did we? When did it become...

We found a cheaper alternative, probably. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I'm sure that... I bet the history, if that was it, at one point, some big company buys out, buys out the whatever brand or whatever that was doing it originally.

I'd be like, oh, we could do this for a way cheaper... I love marshmallows. Yeah, so late 19th and... 20th centuries. They discovered using commercial gelatin and starch extrusion yielded a much more stable mass produced product. Oh, well, there you go. It's funny.

I was just talking about that too, because there's this one dessert. You remember, like, definitive food groups or drinks, like, you're like, oh my God, that was the best thing I've ever had. There was this one marshmallow. It was covered by like a white chocolate that was like a key lime white chocolate. It sounds

bizarre. It sounds delicious. Yeah, it had homemade, like, a gram cracker crust. So it was like a smore. It was basically like this big marshmallow covered in that like key lime chocolate with the gram cracker. What was it called? Just a key lime smore.

That was the brand name? Well, no. This was at a chocolate like place, like a store. Me and Courtney gets so mad. We go there every time asking for it and they'd only make certain batches. And then, you know, I guess the biggest irritation I have is like when you have a product that is definitively the best thing you have and you're like, oh, we just do that. every now and then.

I'm like, this is the only thing I come here for. You know? Like the McRib. Yeah. Why don't they always make the McRib, dude? Delicious. I mean,

ever you've seen the make? Don't, isn't there like a, isn't there probably like a psychological strategy to that though? Create. FOMO, like, and FOMO, you know? Sure. But they stopped making it.

Well, you know, there's like, one of my favorite restaurants. You guys ever eat at OKC? You guys ever? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or CK.

Sorry, did I say it wrong? Orchard City Kitchen. Yeah, you're right. OC. O-C-K. That's a basketball team, okay, C. Yeah, yeah. Look at you.

I know about sports. I know about sports. I know, research. Yeah. I sprinkle random things in. You know, like, to get me to get it. The average listener is like, oh, he likes sports. Oh.

Did I tell you guys about the, I don't know if I brought up on the show or I told you guys the game that I got? You just made me think of the table conversations. You sent it to me. I got it. Oh, okay, you did. I got it. I got it. I've been reading to my kids.

Oh, you did already. Isn't it cool? Yeah, it's fun. It's such a good idea, right? I was like, this is cool. It's like tabletop conversations, but for little kids. Nice. So you ask them, like, if you could only have three superpowers, what would they be?

Yeah. Oh, we've been meaning to do that, yeah, because they have some for adults, like, for, yeah, relationships. Oh, Katrina and I've had that forever. Like, we've kept it by the bed for, I don't know, decade. And it's always like a fun. And we rarely do it. But once every, you know, one of us will be sitting there and be like, well, we don't want to watch TV or something right now. Let's do something.

Hey, grab the table things. Let's see it. And then we'll pull it. And it always. Yeah, it's always a good conversation. brings fun conversation. Yeah, because it's always something so you would never think. You wouldn't talk about it.

Yeah, like, it'll say something like, you're, you know, when you were in high school, what was your biggest fear of this or that? And then she'll start telling us. I'm like, oh, my God, you were, that was a, you went through that? I had no idea. Like, so it always brings up cool stories like that. And same thing with the kids one. You know, you think, oh, I could think of all the things asked my kid,

but then they're, it's so random. Do you want to know what I found out about my, my five-year-old? Let's hear it. He has a, a good-to-marry list. Good to marry? He has a list. He's already figured out which ones. Wow.

Shut your face. That's hilarious. This is true. This is true. He literally told my wife, first of all, we've heard him say this once. So we have friends who have daughters. First of all, we have a lot of friends who have daughters. He's like one of the only boys in our friend group.

Anyway, one of the times he was hanging out with them, he comes, you know, they leave and he walks up to it. Her name's Adeline. He's like, I like Adeline. She looks good to marry. And my wife's like, what? What are you talking about? Oh, she's really pretty. She looks good to marry.

So I'm like, okay, bro. So that's the first time we heard it. Anyway, he's got a list. He says, oh, I have, there are people that I think are good to marry. One of them is a 15-year-old girl. She's a 15-year-old daughter or one of my friends. I'm like, do you? He's a little Asian out there, dude.

His sights high, man. Bro, he's five. He's got, you know. So anyway, what do they say about the apple? So, you know, so Jessica and I are like, I'm looking at my wife, my honey. I apologize. If he's like me, we're going to pray a lot.

We've got to pray a lot for this kid if he's like his dad. Oh, it's funny. A list. Yeah. You got to get the game for your boys. I think it'll be really cool to do that. You just dropped yours off at camp, right? I did.

Yeah, yeah. I went down to San Luis. And they actually, like, hopped on with my friend's church. Oh, you took him down south so they could then take a bus back up north? Which is hilarious because, like, that is funny. We first went to Bass Lake because, my youngest, his best friend was already, like, invited him to go camping. And so we were like, I don't know, that's kind of like the timing isn't right.

But like if I guess we go pick you up and then we can bring you down, like we can make this work. And so we just decided to make it work. And so we'd drive up to Bass Lake. He was camping there and then we took him down. But it was funny. And I told you guys this story before. But while I was there, like I was, there was no place to. the park and I was just going to it was just going to be a simple drop off like they had driven the

boat up and and you know everybody got off and then we were going to like eat at this restaurant that was right there next to the lake and so I'm up there waiting for my food and I'm looking out and I had parked kind of precariously like my the back end of my car was in the road and there's a lot of like cars with with boats going through and so it was like kind of sticking out but I'm like dude I'm not going to be here that long we're just going to kind of do our thing and then you know I'll get in the car and we'll take off yeah and And Courtney was like, oh, oh, no, there's, you know, there's cops. They're out there.

They're looking at your car. And I look at my, oh, no. And he had already taken out the marker and was like marking my tire and like started to kind of like get the paperwork out. And I'm like, oh, I'm just like hauled downstairs and I'm running out there. And I'm like, oh, hey, like, you know, I'm just here for a second. I'll move my car, blah, blah, blah. And he looks at me and he's like, you look really familiar.

I was like, you listen to the podcast? He was like, you're my pup Justin. And then like, it was, it was bizarre, dude. We took a selfie. We stopped traffic. Like, hey. It was C.HP, too, right? So no ticket.

No ticket. I mean, thank you. Like, that was, you know, my like little get out of jail free card. But yeah, I was, I was like, man, they were going to tow my car for real. Like, he's like, dude, yeah. This happens a lot. And we just, we just take them. You know, did you see the picture?

Did you see the picture? That did. You had three bustashes? You have to post it. Oh, you can. You cannot post it. Can you blur out, can you blur out his eyes? No, don't get these guys in trouble.

I mean, it literally looks like three justins. Yeah, yeah. It's the mustache. You look like, you have like three generations. You know what I'm saying? Because there's an older guy too, you know what I'm saying? Well, I told you when I got pulled over. When I got pulled over, because I was on FaceTime on my kid

because he was crying or whatever, and I got pulled over and the cop comes out of the car and I can see in my river mirror that he works out. Yeah. He's like walking out. He's kind of jacked and like, oh, cool. Yeah, this guy was heading. Good handshake. He looks at me. He's a fan. He's like, okay, you can take off now.

My guy was, the guy who did that to me was like so undercover about it. Like, you could tell, like, I think he had like a camera. And so he didn't, he didn't like, it was like code. You know what I'm saying? He just, he just literally, like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, oh, cool. Because I was getting nailed for a lot of stuff. I was like, oh, God, this is not going to be a good one right here.

So I wonder if that's what it is, like, if they, if they are recording while it's going on, like his. Yeah, they can. just give you. Yeah, yeah, just can't get. Preferential treatment or whatever. So he didn't make a big deal about it. That's all good. Yeah.

So that was cool. I mean, and then we went down, dude, I've had the most bizarre pain, though. I can't, like, I can't even pinpoint it to anything in my shoulders, like. Both? And it switched from one. It was like all nerve pain, then went to the other. Now I'm like, it's really sore and achy. And I was just like, man, sleeping in the hotel room.

I didn't get any sleep. And I was like, there was a hot tub out there. And that was the only thing that, like, kind of brought it down. It's not all this time to kill the next day after we dropped the kids off. And we were, like, driving back home. We was like, let's just stop for a minute. And there was the Siskus, I think is what it's called. There was like this, like, you know, hot springs place.

And I'm like, that sounds like good. I like, like, the hot tub worked. So maybe this will help. And Courtney had, like, you know, looked it up and took me to a different place. It was like before that. And it was like, dude, it was like literally like a trailer park stop or something. Like, but with hot springs. And so we get in there's like 15 bucks.

I'm like, oh, cool. It's cheaper. Yeah. Like, get in there. I see why. And I'm in there. It's just like the craziest characters you've ever seen. And I'm like just, I'm the only one like, you know, trying to like get therapy out of this.

Courtney wouldn't even go in with them. She wouldn't even go. She's like, yeah, I'll wait for you in the car. Justin's like, I'm in a lot of pain, dude. Yeah, this guy's making, like, he has a huge igloo, and he's, like, making everybody like these, like, tuna sandwiches. Yeah, you want them to them. I'm like, I'm good, bro.

Thanks, though. You know, bro. Two to sandwich. Yeah, from a stranger. In a soulback. You know, it's funny? I've been seeing these memes. You just reminded me.

I've been seeing these memes because you guys know about the parasite thing, right? They're calling a diarrhea lettuce. Did you see the video that the teammate? No. Of Justin and I? No. You didn't see it? Oh, I did, I did. And you hear the, the whole thing was the whole pair.

That worked out too perfect. It did, it did. So I was, uh, there's these memes. So you guys know that meme where it looks like the bunch of aristocrats are kind of looking down and they'll use it like, this is me looking down at people. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, you know, uh, me eating a gas station burrito looking down at everybody who eats salads. Yeah, that's what you get for all with your diarrhea lettuce.

I know. I'm fine, you know. That's spreading, by the way. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, for multiple people.

You know who I feel bad for? I feel bad for Taco Bell. Do you guys hear what happened with them? Yeah, they kind of pinpointed it to them. No, it was no, see, that's the same. I feel so bad. They were blaming them, yeah. Taco Bell preemptively, nobody got sick from Taco Bell.

No. Taco Bell's innocent. They preemptively. You get diarrhea from Taco Bell. Anyway. Everything else. Come on. Yeah.

Yeah. So you can't really just, yeah. Anyway, my point is Taco Bell preemptively remove certain things to say, hey, you know, we know what's going on, so we're just going to do this preemptively. Of course, what do you think the media does? Taco Bell, you know, connects them to diarrhea lettuce because Taco Bell's known for.

So poor Taco Bell is getting hammered. Oh, wow. You know, the right thing. And nobody got sick from Taco Bell. People got sick from, like, berries from the grocery store and lettuce. And that other brand that I remember, the way I found out about it was I posted that protein salad that they have now. Was it from that company?

It was the company. I forget the name of the company right now, but someone's like, Did you not read? They sent me the whole article on it. It was like it was that company. Do you know where it comes from? So it spreads through human poop.

Yeah. So they think that there's like workers pooping in the fields and that's how it's. I feel like this has happened before. Come on. The amount of. There's a spinach from like this too. Stop. I mean, that means like a lot of workers would be shitting on lettuce, bro.

It's not like one guy decides to take a shit in the lettuce and then like it spreads the whole. It's probably a lot. Yeah. And they don't wash their hands and they're processing it. But the thing is just watching. your produce. Yeah, but if you wash it, it doesn't,

it doesn't clean it necessarily. Those, those are like really persistent little eggs, dude. You know, the amount of people that have to be pooping on lettuce for that to happen.

I think a lot, dude. I think there's a lot of people that do that. I do. There's a lot of pooping on lettuce going on. There's a lot.

It's like an underground thing that's happening. Get these weddos. Yeah. This shit all over the line. I mean, it can't be any worse than the San Francisco streets.

No. Yeah. San Francisco's cleaner at least. Yeah. That's it. that I poop on my salad. Dude, I just read it. It's so funny, this is coming up.

So, so you guys, you guys know how, like, endurance athletes, especially, like, extreme endurance, like, ultra-marathons, Iron Man's. You know how it's, like, relatively common that they'll poop themselves while racing. You guys know that, right? You've heard that, right? You didn't know that?

Mm-mm. Okay. It's relatively common. They get real loosey-goosey there. They're running, and they're pushing. They're like, it's a 50-mile race. I'm going for it. I got to take a dump.

I'm about to win. I'm just going to shit myself. And this is relatively common. I looked it up. Do you know what percentage of elite endurance athletes have pooped themselves during a race? It could be like 80. No.

No. 5 to 20 percent. Okay. Still a big percentage, dude. You way overshadow. Then you'd be at a race. You're like, everyone's shitting themselves here. 80 percent.

I have no idea. I don't go to races. He's all, listen, I do more than six reps on a press. I feel that. Could you imagine if it was like 80% of the race? He wanted this big ass marathon. You're like, damn, everybody. Somebody brings him.

But five to 20% is a lot. That is a lot. If you have a thousand runners, that's like 50. Yeah. That's unbelievable. That's not worth it. It's not that serious. That's what I'd say.

Take care of that before you start running. Although that being said, did you guys see the guy break the world record? Yes, on the mile. Did you see how fast he ran? Three minutes, 45 seconds. What? Bro, he was running over. He was running faster than the average athlete can sprint.

The average person can sprint. What? Over 60 miles an hour the whole time. Not 60. 16. Oh, I think she's 60. I was like, come on, bro. I was like, you stop running 60 miles an hour.

No, 16, bro. Do you know how fast that is? Yeah, 16 is really fast. To run, yeah. Bro, three minutes and what, 45? 3.45. That is. What's wild about that was, what a big deal, the, you know, the whole four minute mile thing, right?

It's a white dude, by the way. It was not a Kenyon. Yeah, you're right. It was a white dude. Pull up his... Pull up his... Yeah, I mean... He was tall.

Tall, Lincoln guy, though, yeah. I would have assumed... Whatever, dude. Yeah. Not a white guy. Every win that he can get him. Give it to a boy guy. Get their asses kicked and running all the time.

Yeah, dude, there he is. Three minutes, 42 seconds. 42 seconds. Forty-five seconds. Yeah, yeah. Pull up his picture. I mean, that's crazy. That just happened.

He's a British guy of all things. Yeah. Was it the original... Wow, look at that. He's a very white guy. Was it the very first record broken by a British guy? He was, right?

Register Bannister, yeah. Roger. Roger. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, it was a British. Interesting. Yeah, the first four-minute miles out. I mean, it was such a big deal.

They thought that four-minute was impossible. Four-minute happens. You know they had scientists come out at that time? Yeah, it was impossible. They said it was humanly impossible. Was that still when they had the dirt track or the... Yeah. Yeah. And now it's, you know, the...

What, like, consistency is the track? Is it that, like, kind of composite, it like rubber and... 1954, he did it. He's a British medical student. God, why is it so... Sometimes people just make me embarrassed. Yeah.

Oh, you ran the fastest mile ever, cool. Oh, and you're also a medical student. Okay. What else do you do? Yeah, that's pretty amazing. But after that, like, hell of people broke it. Yeah, like, total psychological merit. You've got high school kids that do it now, right?

So it's so wild to think that... Has a woman ever broke the four-minute mile, Doug? Ooh. I want to look that up. Good question. Yeah, because that would be interesting to see. Because that brings me to another topic on grip strength that no woman has ever officially run. Well, that's going to change soon, right?

Because you get goals. Goal. Yeah. You had to go there. Say that. I'm sorry. You had to go there. So they did a study on.

I see. It's all right. We're going to go there. So they did a study on grip strength. Great. And did you know that the average, the average 20-something-year-old female has a strength of a seven-year-old man? Just to show the difference, yeah. Yeah.

Just to show the difference in actual strength. Is that in the old time? That's now. Okay, it's now. Yeah. Just to show the difference in strength when they say, you know, there's a big difference in strength. It's a pretty damn big difference. Yeah.

In reality. That's a huge difference. If we stay in reality. Yeah, I do. Hey, you, is it you who has the thumbs down on the BMW? Yeah, I do. Oh, that's you. I had another story with those.

So we were in downtown San Luis Obispo, and it was funny because there was a guy that had souped up. I don't know what model BMW, but it was like to the point where you watch all those videos that, like, they'll just scream. The engine's so loud. Yeah. And so he had done something with supercharged or whatever and made it to where it was like so incredibly loud. Yeah. And so he's like, you know, trying to get ego boosts and do his whole thing and like cruise downtown. He went a couple laughs.

Gurgling and crackling like. But it was like, woo, to the point where like somebody jumped because he just did it like right. next to him. Yeah. And so he's like, coming back through again and like me and Courtney are across in the street. And she just looks over him, stops mid-track. And she goes like this. She's like, Courtney did that. I just like, oh my God, dude. I just start laughing because I'm like, yeah. Can I just say something? That's my wife. You know, can I just say something? This is so true. I think like wives do this, girlfriends do this. They do that in public. There's no threat to them. I went through this whole conversation.

Yes, yes, yes. My wife did something like that over the weekend. Yes, dude, same thing. And she's going to get so mad when she listened to this. But it's true. But to her credit, though, it was funny because, so he was in the car with another girl. And, like, it really affected him. You could tell because he started driving.

He was like, he didn't do it again. And so she just crushed his ego, dude. So I was dying laughing. I was like, this guy was like, how nine. I was like old lady moment for her, like my old man moment where I yelled at the lady with the dog. But you know what? Yeah. But let me ask you guys.

It's like impulse. You know what I'm saying? Let me ask you, as guys, when you call someone out, you've already calculated in your head. Oh, yeah. Maybe a confrontation. Yeah. You got to be ready to throw down if you're going to do something. That doesn't happen, I don't think, to a lot of women.

I don't think that happens. The calculation of, I say something. Not when she's holding your hand. Correct. That happened this weekend. We were going and some dude on a skateboard with his dog. And he was like pulling up his dog with a leg. with a leash.

My wife opens the door. She's gonna go, like, fight this dude. Like, let go with it. And I'm like, and you know, she's like really traumatized by the, like, how he, dare he do that? I try to tell her like, honey, when you do that, yeah. If someone has to fight, it's mean. You're inviting.

You're inviting. You're not you. You should ask me first. Like, it's fucking. Yeah. Because you ain't going to get the fight, dude. It's going to be me. Know your battles.

There's a whole side to that. She gets so bad when she hears this too. She's like, you was going to do. I'll fight him. I'll fight him. Come on. Come on. Move aside, honey.

All right, go ahead. You imagine that? Taking high heels off. All right, cool. It's 101. Everybody step back. Go ahead, babe. Do you think?

Yeah. When he wins, you know, those, those are, it's so lame. Those are, those are tuned to do that.

So, so they pay somebody, and it's like, your car's not, like, any faster. It's like, it's all exhaust and it's all tuning

to make it sound like that. That's what I thought. I was like, this is all sound. Yeah, it's not cool. It's like, it's cool if your stuff

is really, really, and it sounds really fast, but it's like to tune it. I call it burble tunes. Burble tune. That's what it is. You like literally ask for it. You get a burble tune and BMWs are like famous for it.

Like guys that drive BMWs. Does it affect the performance? I mean, it gives them a couple horsepower. Oh, it does. Oh, yeah, it gives them a little. Oh, so it makes the sound and it's a little bit better. Yeah. That's a win-win.

Yeah, a little bit. A little bit, you know. Remember the exhaust that we were kids? I used it, I guess. The exhaust that were popular when we were kids were ridiculous. I had the, I had the, I had the big coffee kid? I had, look it up, Doug. I had the dunk exhaust.

That's what it was called. Look it up. Look it up. And your car... I was a flowmaster guy. That's the craziest I got. What was your car pushing horsepower? I mean, probably $2.90?

Oh, that's not bad. Well, I had... I had cams, cam gears. Hold on. 290. Heathers? 290 for the early 2000? I was probably over 300, actually.

Bro, that's fast. Yeah, that was there. Yeah, but you hear everything I did to it? I did every single thing you could do it other than a turbo on it. You didn't turbo it. And you still got $290 out of it. That's crazy. Probably more.

Wow. Yeah, probably more. Because I think stocked those Integra, those Integra's had probably 250. No. No, they did not. Type R? Not even type R. Look up L.S. Integra, Accura, L.S. Integra. I guarantee you it's either under, it's no way. Oh, you think it's less? Way less.

Really? 180? 180 and 250? It was, no, it was just over 200. I'm going to guess. I'm going to say 2. I think it was 212, if I'm not mistaken. That'd be crazy if it's that low. Oh, it was bro. You don't remember back then how.

Acura. You talking about a horsepower? No, no, no, horsepower. So, 1998, Integra. This will be fun because I actually don't remember this at all. Doug, why you have exhaust up there? I don't know. He said exhaust.

That was before, Doug. That was before. Tegra horsepower. There we go. There we go. Let them do full. El has to Tegra horsepower. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, let's see this. Oh, my God, one. I told you. Wow. So the type R was like 197. Yeah, yeah. But I, so back then, it was better to get a, LS because type R had everything done.

And you got it to $290? There's no way. Yeah. Without turbos? Do you ever have anything I had on it? Cams. So? Cam gears.

Underdry pulle's. Ignition system. Port and Paul. I mean, I had... You get more... You can get 100 plus horsepower. Maybe you're right. Maybe it was up to 250.

Maybe that's what I got it up to. I bet. Yeah, you'd be surprised. Cars were so slow back there. Bro, I cannot believe it was only 140 horsepower. My, I tell you, when I had to shift, my stereo would come out of the dash. Yeah.

And you were probably like, so much power. Oh, yeah. It's like the coolest thing ever had someone to sit in. It's like my, bro, my 400. And your stereo would end up in their lap. Hold my stereo. We had to take off. I sort of like lug nuts flew off my truck, dude.

Dude, I know this because, so I had a VR6. I had a golf VR6, which was in that category of life. Yeah, yeah, sure. They had the eclipse turbo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had the, you know, the VR6. You had the Integra Type R. Yeah.

And they were all around 200 horsepower. Yeah. And that was concerned fast. Then you had the Camaro Super Sport, which was like, oh, my God. That was like 300 something. Yeah, yeah. That's how much horse. That was considered a ton back then.

300 horsepower now, you buy a minivan. It's got like a little three and a little. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I didn't even realize it was that low. So you're probably right. It's probably like I probably got it up to 250. Yeah.

But yeah, that's not on the, everything. You figure. Someone's going to guarantee someone's going to write in and fix it. Correct all this. No, you had like. I mean, I mean, listen, I wouldn't, because I didn't have that dino. So I didn't, I didn't have the money as a kid. go get a dino. So mine's all estimated horsepower.

And so, and when you bought, you bought cams, they tell you you're getting an extra 15 to 20 horsepower. You bought cam gears another 10 horsepower. You bought exhaust another 10 to 15 horsepower. So everything I did was 10, but it was estimated. So, yeah, I'm sure somebody came up. Were you racing? Huh? Were you racing all the time? Yeah, yeah. No, we did all that stuff. Back where I grew up, there was used to meet at, in and out at midnight and the old country roads. Everyone go out there and drag them and stuff like that. I mean, it was so, it's so, it's so, I haven't looked at that. Dolein Road.

out that one. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Out that one. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. That's a crazy one. Just a great,

great straightaway out in the country where nobody would be at at midnight. Can't hear. No, you know, I used to happen for a long time. In fact, it probably still goes on. Probably does.

What's crazy now is because cars are so fast now. They're so, because, you know, it's overrated. Well, you consider back then. We're coming, we're going back that way. Bro, a five second zero to 60 back then was fast.

So you're, all my, all my buddies. That's like a, all my buddies. that actually race cars that are like true race car drivers are like the perfect is 500 horsepower like that's true usable have a blast it is fast it is fun

beyond that it's just beyond that it's like it's you can't you're not using it if you unless you got a perfect straightaway moment which is freeway i5 for a splits and then you roll the dice because if a cop pulls you over you're doing 131 40 you hope he doesn't hit you with a massive And it'll go faster than that. But, I mean, they hit you at that speed. And you're in that, with a car that's 800 horsepower.

Oh, yeah. You're to 1.30 in seconds. Yeah. In seconds. You ever find it interesting that we have all these, every state has speed limit laws. Every state, right? There's not a single state in the country where they're like, no, no speed limits. We don't have an auto bond anywhere in the country.

And yet, car manufacturers build cars that far exceed the speed. They far exceed the speed limits. Like the highest speed limit in the U.S. is probably 75 or 80. I'd imagine there's a freeway highway somewhere. That's 75. I've seen one that was 80. I know, well, Idaho, there was like, I feel like, Arizona has some spots.

I think 75 might be the highest speed limit in the U.S. Or let's see. 85. 85. Oh, Texas. Okay. So 85 is the highest anywhere, and I guarantee most states don't have that.

Most states, 65. No, yeah, yeah, definitely. And yet cars, they could easily surpass that. They've got hundreds of horseback. They keep getting faster. You ever wonder why, like, if this was such a thing, why are we making cars like that? Well, go back at how much do speeding tickets fun? Bingo. Yeah, how much does speeding tickets fun the entire thing?

I know. So it's all part of it, I imagine. I wonder how much revenue they bring. Yeah. What percentage of revenue do the police departments make off of speeding tickets? That would be the Google. And then I'm sure it's quite a bit. So, of course.

I mean, do you think they have meetings? I wouldn't want them. I wouldn't want the, I wouldn't want the, What you're alluding to, I wouldn't want them to do. I would much rather have the ability to break the law but encourage you not to break the law than to say, we're going to control you and control your car. One to three percent of total cities. Oh, that's not much at all.

No, it goes into municipal or state general funds. So that's not entirely true. So what we got to see is a few tiny municipalities or speed trap towns rely on fines for up to 50, 89% of their general revenue. Whoa. That's small towns though. Okay. 50 to 80 something percent? I mean smaller, I mean larger places, what is it?

10, 15, 20 percent? I don't know. That's crazy. Maybe one of our cop friends can educate. So do you guys think they have meetings like that? Hey guys, the quarter's almost over. Well, I saw maybe one of our conference can reach out and tell us that because I've always heard that when it comes to the end of the month and they're not hitting their

quarterlies at the end of the month. That's the highest likely time you'll get pulled over. It's like the last few days of a month. A lot of speed traps, yeah. But I don't know if that's true. You know, I don't know how much that is. Yeah, because they could very easily, we could easily legislate that people can't speed.

That's an easy thing to legislate. But they don't want to, and I don't think people want it either. That would be horrible. Yeah, I know, it was so lame. That would be a lame. I mean, imagine, I mean, you know what the downstream effects of that could be, though? Like, so then you all of a sudden you regulate all these, I mean, you would crush a market completely. there's a huge market in that.

And performance. And like why own a Ferrari or Lamborghini if it only goes 60 miles an hour? Like that would be super lame. Like that would be, I mean, so you're taking like a high. And a lot of those, even forget for a, even a Mercedes S63, like a luxury $200,000 car that goes really fast. That's part of what makes that car. And that's an expensive car.

So you would hurt a lot of big companies that make a lot of revenue. and pay a lot of taxes. So it'd have an interesting doubt. Those would suck. Yeah, a lot of stuff that would suck. Yeah. I have, I'm going to report back to you guys on some of my friends using creatine for sleep deprivation.

Oh. It's, they're just blown away. They're just absolutely blown away by it. But one is a nurse. One is an ER doctor. And in their words, this is their words, life changing. Yeah. That the crate team was life changing for their jobs.

These are not like fitness enthusiasts. They both trying to work out. but it was like, you know, one of my nurse, she's like, man, I'm taking 15 grams a day. And she's like,

I can't believe how different. It's really groginess and, yeah, all that. Just the way she feels mentally, everything. So if I'm somebody who tracks with my aura ring

and, uh, what I consider bad night asleep would be like 60 score in the 60s. Yep. Um, is it, it would have been more beneficial if I would have had the 15 grams the day before or the day of?

You could use it. it the night before or the day before, if you know you're going to get bad sleep, it could also be after. So in the studies, they sleep-deprived people, and they give half of them 20 grams of creatine, the other half no.

Now, I'm careful when I say this, because people can misconstrue this as it means it completely erases any negative effects of the bad sleep. But the way that they test their performance, you could tell when you test someone's performance, in certain ways you can tell when they're sleep deprived. There's a classic test.

Erases the deficit. it. So 20 grams of cratine, they are measuring them. And they're like, I can't even tell your sleeper five from the crate team. So if you measure at 60, then yeah, get your, what do you do, the Legion capsules? Yeah, yeah. Then I would go, it depends if you can handle 15 or 20 grams all at once. If it bothers your gut, I'd go five. I'd wait every hour. I go five, five, five. Yeah, I have to do that. Okay. And then you're good. Yeah, obviously having it, but they're, like, what happens is I don't plan to have a bad night's sleep, right? And so I'm not always taking 15 grams. I'm normally taking more like five. Every once I'll do 10 just to do like because

they're gummies and they're easy and they're in my room or whatever at that. But what I haven't done consistently is- They also have capsule. They have pure creatine too. Yeah, I do the gummies. You said cap. I meant gummies. Come on. Sure. That's why you like candy. I forgot. But it erases. It erases the deficit, which is crazy. That is wild. Which is crazy. Well, especially to people that have jobs like you're talking about. Like you, if you're like an ER person and you like, you, like, You know you're going to have to be sleep deprived. I want to test that for a jet lag too, like going to a different place, of different times.

Yeah. Yeah. To experiment with that. But I mean, like I said, we were at the pool, which, by the way, why I'm so dark, we go into the pool a lot regularly. And, you know, they showed up. And like, like I said, she's a nurse. And she's like, saw the crate team.

She's like, it's life changing. She's like, you can't believe the difference. I'm like, are you right? You said, I'm taking it regularly. I'm like, it's crazy, right? She's like, tripping out. Yeah, you talk about you and I getting so dark. I wonder if, like, on camera, Justin looks clear now.

I'm all wearing white shirts to emphasize. Like, hey, look at Casper over there. Dude, I've been in the sun a lot this summer, too. Like, it's just, this is as good as he gets, God, man, I've been working on my tent so bad these guys over here. Yeah. Northern European guy. This is a week.

This is literally four, three or four days in the pool. And I just. You guys are really eating it up over there. Yeah, so we got a, my wife got a membership at this gym with an outdoor pool. And so she's getting the, taking the kids there so they can learn how to swim. And so I've been going with them. Nice.

You know, when I have time. The only downside is they serve drinks. Dude, I have never drank so much alcohol so consistently in my life. When you're by the pool, I know. It's kind of like par for the course.

Yeah, dude. Like, I'm going to do. I feel like as a dude, you're going to have to. Yeah. Like laying out as a chick is like totally normal. It's normal for girls call each other up and go like,

my wife doesn't. I got to have a football. But your buddy, your buddy has never called you and been like, hey, you won't go lay out today? Yeah. Bro, like, do it.

So as a dude, you're laying out of the pool with your wife. You feel like, I need to do something. I need to hold something. Yeah, I need to hold something. I need to hold a drink or something. I feel like I'm doing something. Yeah, that's too consistent, man. I can't be having a drink every day.

What the hell's going on? It's crazy that this is becoming a thing for, like, uh, gyms. Like, it's, uh, my buddy in Orange County was telling me about, like, lifetime fitness and stuff. He's like, it's like a whole vibe. Like to go hang pool side at the gym pool. People just hang out there extra long after the workout. Yeah.

I got an, article for you guys on that. It's like a thing. No, no. So these are social hour. These are real stats on gyms. Let me pull it up right here. Um, which is really interesting. All right, check this out. So this is, it's a K market with gyms right now. Okay. So it's splitting. There's a split that's going on. First of all, uh, the demand for gym memberships is the highest that's ever been. Okay. So demand for, so this is like we are entering into a heyday for gyms. This is like the most, the best time for gyms we've ever seen. Yeah.

Okay. So 26% of everyone six and up had a gym membership in 2025. Seven billion facility visits. Here's what's cool. The share of members who never once showed up fell to an all-time low of 4.6%. So that's the lowest that we've since we've recorded, which is crazy. It's a K-shaped economy, meaning you have two ends. You have the value at the bottom because they can scale.

It's like Planet Fitness. And then you have the premiere at the top. top where they charge a lot. Both of them are crushing. The middle is where... The middle is where you're having a tough time because they can't scale like the value and they don't offer all the crazy stuff like that. So what they're doing, and this is Mastroff and his brilliance, because you guys know he bought,

well, we had him on the show. Yeah. He's back into 21st. I'm so curious out how he's going to survive this middle ground. He's going to offer more services, but it's going to be kind of like a la carte. That's probably what's going to happen. So you're still going to have your value, but if you want extra stuff, recovery, this, that, and the other, there are tears that you can enroll in.

And so that's going to kind of reshape. And the guy's brilliant. He has, he never misses. I think that'll kind of restructure what the middle kind of looks like. I mean, you have to look it up. I saw an article on this on a lifetime. They have like a $3,000, I want to say it's like $3,000 a month membership. Do they?

Yeah, something great. Yeah. But it's like a, you know, it's similar to like what, what's his name? What's the biohack guy? and the other doctor. Yeah, they have like the 100, no, no, not him. Brian Johnson. Brian Johnson.

Yeah, yeah. You know, his is like a million dollars a year. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then who was the Peter Attia did one? And I think his is like 100,000 a year. So it's like that. It's like blood work, everything. What is it?

Oh, it's per year. 3,600 per year. I thought it was per month. Okay, that's not as crazy as I thought it was. They're also becoming... Still, I mean, 329 a month, you know? No, no, no. We're entering into a really interesting time

for fitness because gyms are becoming also social places. That's just their membership to all clubs. They have another tier that is like their longevity something. Like I don't Was it kind of like all the cards? Yeah, yeah, something like that. I don't know what it was called. I'll do more digging. But to your point that this is

where it's going, it's going to this kind of case shape where it's like you either going to go to the $9 a month type of deal or get this like you know, optimization. Yeah, there you go. There's an annual one, 40,000. That's Equinox. Oh, Equinox is doing that. Yeah.

Some of these are doing some of these crazy. It's those Equinox in New York are insane. Yeah. They're blood panels and going that whole round. I mean, that's what Kyle wants to. I think it's just such a cool time for people to work in fitness. This is a really cool time. Yeah.

It's like a fitness boom is what's happening. I actually think some of it's a big need. And I think GLP1 uses or GLP use is going to drive. even more of it is more people are trying to strain strain. And it's become the social place. Less people are going to bars. Less people are socializing the old ways. And more people are starting socializing gyms.

All the young generations below us. Yeah. I guess it's dropped off like billions of dollars. The alcohol business is lost. It's cool. Yeah. Interesting. Very, very cool.

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Back to the show. Our first caller is Nick from California. What's up, Nick? What's up, Nick? What's up, buddy? Hello, how are you guys doing? Good, man, dude. How can we help you?

This is really surreal. I didn't think I'd ever be here. My question pertains around to what I should do every day with my workouts and my nutrition. because my schedule is so inconsistent. I'm a contractor and most of the time I commute to the Bay Area for work. So I usually wake up around three through third in the morning.

Sometimes I'm home at 10 o'clock. Sometimes I'm home at noon. Sometimes I don't get home until 6 o'clock at night. I'm very involved with my family and a lot of local stuff in my city. So most nights were out at a fundraiser, a dinner, something like that. So I don't really know what I should do, how I should eat every day and how I should work out every day. I try to do like a MAPS 15 workout every day, but on the days I get home early, it just feels like it's not enough. So I don't really know what to do.

Give me more detail. On average, how many days a week would you say are the long days? And how many days a week would you say are the ones we get home at a decent time? There's really, I don't know. No, for an average, I can't. I know we have busy times of the year and not so busy times of the year. Some days it's two weeks straight of easy days. Sometimes it's a month straight of long days.

It's just really, really inconsistent. Okay, well, that's actually some consistency that we change during those times. Yeah, and here's the thing, dude, if it's like that, if you go through seasons like that, then the thing that'll change is the intensity of the workouts. So I think Maps 15 is perfect for you, bro. And on the days you get home, you just go harder. Yeah. And on the days you get home late, you do it easy or you skip.

And you just keep doing that. You just keep doing that. Nutrition wise is really important. That's where the thing I heard from you, too, that the mistake that a lot of guys will make is that, let's say you're on the 15 routine like we're telling you. And it just so happens to be a day you get home and you have lots of time. You feel like it's not enough. It's enough. You don't need to go do more.

Just because this is a day that you got some good rest and you're home early, you still follow the routine. You still do it because it's doing a bunch more just because you had that one good day of more time. Isn't it going to get you more results? Actually, ebb and flowing and listening to your body and you being consistent with just hitting the gym with appropriate intensity is what's going to get you results. Yeah, when you look at stress on the body, obviously the day makes sense, but it's also the week and the month and then what's cumulative. And so what you're kind of telling me is that you've got these seasons, and there's seasons where you're just working your butt off, seasons where it's not so hard. But the point is that there's seasons, that they're in and out.

So it's not like, you know, for a full year, it's easy. And then next year, it's kind of like that all year round. And there's times when it's harder. So the thing that changes, Nick, is the intensity. So you still do math 15, but you get home early and you feel good. You get after it. You get home late and you're kind of out of it. you can go easy or skip and then you just stay on that now nutrition is where you want to be

consistent consistent consistent that'll make the big difference and so meal prepping really helps a lot when you're on the road hitting your protein targets and sticking a whole natural foods if you do those two things over time you'll progress over time let me let me help you define what easy and get after it means too uh what do you what's a what's a normal squat or bench press number for me. What do you do? What do you squat when he squat? Right now, uh, I want to say my bench press would probably be two 15 for a one rate max. My squat would probably be three 25 for max. Maybe. I, I don't know for sure. It's, it's, it's been a, uh, really long couple months. Okay. I don't know exactly what it would be. That's okay. That gives me, I just needed some sort of rough number.

So, uh, easy day. I'm coming in on bench pressing. I'm working out with 135. I'm not going to put any more weight on the bar like that. I'm going to move it through the Maps 15, the way it's calling for it. A hard day, I'm going to push up towards what I'm capable of. 165, 175 for a workout. I'm going to work out with a higher, the number that's closer to, like, that's a lot of weight for me. That's what a hard day.

It doesn't mean more stuff. Like, doesn't mean like, oh, I'm going to do a bunch more of a workout longer. Because sometimes people interpret get after it as like, do a bunch of money. more stuff. Yeah. You get after it means like, oh, this is the day I'm going to push the weight a little bit. Like I'm feeling good. I'm rested.

I had a good day today. I'm fed. Like, you know what? I'm going to put some weight on the bar and let's see what I can move today. That, but you still follow the protocol of what's in the program. You don't add a bunch of shit to it. Yeah. In other days, it's like, man, I'm tired.

It's long. I'm going to go in and just go through the motions. Yeah. I'm just going to go through the motions. Okay. Yeah. And that's the difference. And that's a big difference.

People think that's nothing. That's a big difference. but then you stack that on top of each other consistently over time, and you'll progress. You'll progress over time. You'll think of it was just practicing those movements on those days you want to go a bit lighter. That's right. We have, I think, so many people, including ourselves, forever, felt like this.

Like, you feel like you have to get, like, so sore from the workout for it to be productive. It's not at all. You going in and moving weights like that, even really light and easy, and just because maybe you're not sore the next day, does not mean that was not a very effective workout. It's a great signal to your body. You get better at it, get stronger at it. So just learn, and that's what that looks like. If we were coaching you one-on-one, it would be a lot of conversations around,

hey, man, how do you feel this week? How'd you sleep? Were you good on your nutrition? You know, how you feeling today? Oh, cool. You know what? Today I want you to try and hit that 225 on the bench. Other days when you're like, oh, man, I didn't you have the best of sleep and shit,

did out of my missed my protein intake yesterday. Hey, today, when you go in there, I want you just real lightweight, just do the movements, but I don't want you pushing the weight at all. Just get in and get out. Like, that's what it sounds like. And you're just consistent. And you learn, and then you start to learn how to read that in yourself. Like, okay, this is, this is one of those times right now where I need to just kind of go in, I'm going to lift. But it's more almost recoupative. And then other times when you're feeling really good and you're hitting the macros and you're doing good on your diet, like, okay, let's see what I can, let's see what kind of weight I can move. And when you do it like

that, the days when you get after it, you're going to feel really strong and good. And then, and then And the days when you're not so good, it's okay. You go through the movements and it'll progress over time like that. Yes. Okay. Okay. That actually makes a lot of sense. Okay.

Yeah, dude. What should, what should my nutrition look like? What, what, what should my calories look like? Should those be consistent to? Because some days I'm getting 2,000 steps at work and I'm hardly doing anything. Sometimes I'm getting 12,000 steps and I'm sweating my ass off. And I seem to be a little bit hungrier the day. after those hard days at work.

So, Nick, you know, here's the thing. Oftentimes in fitness culture, we're told to ignore our hunger signals because if we listen to them, we're just going to be overweight. Now, there are cases where I tell people to ignore their hunger signals. These are extreme cases,

people with eating disorders and stuff like that. But typical person, if you're eating whole natural foods and you eat protein first, eat when you're hungry. Yeah. And your calories are going to fluctuate. And you're not going to count your calories.

So if you're like, man, I'm still hungry. Oh, okay. You're like, oh, I'm still hungry. Eat more, whole natural foods. If you're like, I'm not that hungry, eat a little less. Natural limiters. Start with protein, natural limiters. The key here, Nick, for a guy on the road is going to be to prep your meals.

Because here's where you're going to mess up. You're going to eat out. You're going to get a fast food place or whatever. That food is engineered to make you overeat. And if you listen to your hunger signals when you eat that kind of food, then you're definitely going to get fat. And it gets really difficult to stay the course because this is the other thing that a guy like you does who works like this is you let these long six, eight hour windows of no food go. And then when you eat, you eat a ton and you eat a ton of things that are not ideal.

You just structure it. And so if you like a guy like you out, what I tell you to do is let's just, Nick, we're going to focus on hitting your protein every day. And if that means you got to have, you know, beef jerky ready for you or some Greek yogurt ready for you in a lunch pail. Like keep things like that that are high protein. moderate amount of calories, close to whole food, if not whole food, ready for you and focus on just hitting your protein intake every day and let the calories fall where the calories fall. If you're hungry, eat, but eat more of those things. Don't go eat a bunch of shit.

Eat more of those high protein meals and it'll balance itself out, especially if you're consistent with your strength training. Okay. I'm usually pretty good about hitting my protein goal. I eat just a lot of ground beef, ground turkey, turkey sandwiches for work. Not tracking calories makes me a little nervous because I'm pretty diligent about it. Where do you land right now? Okay, okay.

Where do you land on your calories? Tell me. Again, it's so inconsistent. Like Monday was a long day, but it wasn't physically demanding. So I just wasn't hungry. So I only ended up eating like a thousand calories. Tuesday was a lot harder. I was a little bit hungry, so I ended up eating like 1,600, but there were a few days last week where I was hungry up until like 2,500 calories.

Yeah, but Nick, you're, how are you hitting your protein targets? You're not eating enough protein, bro. Noor near. Oh, yes, I should say usually, usually, usually I'm pretty good about hitting my protein target. Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you right now, the three days you just named, you probably didn't hit your protein intake. No, no, no, no. So be consistent with whole natural foods. Yeah.

eat when you're hungry, eat the protein first, but also eat on a schedule. I'm going to add that to you. So don't let a few hours go without eating something. Yeah, yeah. That'll help you out, dude. I mean, you need to hit your protein intake. Yeah, your calories are too low.

Your calories. And then what's happening, too, is if you go back-to-back days where you're 1,500 calories, then you're ravenous day three. And then that's when you might be overeating on those days. And so, and protein isn't like carbs and fat where it's an average of your week. It's not like, oh, you had 300 grams of protein today, and yesterday you had 50, therefore you have an average.

No, it's every day you need to hit your protein intake or it's a missed day. And the more missed days you have, the we're going backwards. You need to be consistent with that. And I think if you just focus on it, because you can't let a thousand calorie day go by. You got to hit your protein intake every day. That's right. Hit your protein take every day and make that a focus. And that's where I'd start you and we can get more detailed on the diet later.

But that's a good place to start right there. hitting the protein intake following the advice we said about the training honestly nick if you were consistent if you were consistent with all that uh like really consistent your body fat percentage is going to fall at a nice probably 13 to 15 percent you're going to have good muscle you feel strong if you just did that consistently and no need to without tracking without diligent tracking okay wow 13 percent i don't know if i've ever been 13 percent in my entire life yeah you absolutely can yeah you'll be in the mid teens Okay. Okay. Wow. Good time to do it, bro. You don't have any kids yet.

No, no, no kids. It only gets harder with that. So you want to have this all figured out before that. Nick, if you want, if you're interested in more consistent, like having someone work with you through this process, we have really good coaches that could work with you through this process and help you kind of move through the whole thing. Because I hear a little apprehension or fear with the going off the. tracking. Like, were you really overweight at one point in your life? Because there's a little bit of fear with, uh, for most of my life. I was, uh, really overweight. I still would call myself overweight now, just not as overweight. Okay. I know there's just so much like comfort and yeah. I, I'm super, uh, consistent about tracking my calories. I don't always follow what I'm supposed to do, but it just makes you really uncomfortable to not know my calories and macros. Get a coach for a while, bro. Yeah, that makes sense. Invest in a coach for a while.

It'll be well worth it. Bro, six months with a good coach, you'll come out of this totally different. Totally boost your confidence with that. Because this makes a lot of sense. I don't know if I could afford. Well, it makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I would.

Go ahead. Sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, I was just going to say, it makes a lot of sense now. When I heard you say, you know, I don't know if I, you know, going off tracking, sounds like it's a,

there's some apprehension there. Makes a lot of sense now. You know, when you said you were kind of overrate, as a kid for a long time, a little bit of fear around that. Not working with a coach, it's going to be very difficult what we just said. Like really hard. Okay. Okay.

Because it's going to be like letting go of a security blanket. And what that might look like, one or two things, either A, you don't like the way it feels, you go back to tracking and you just stay where you're at. Or B, you go off the deep end and it feels like now I'm just out of control. Now I'm eating like crazy and I can't stop. So those are the two kind of extremes that people will fall when there's a little bit of that, that pass going on. So what a good coach is going to do is walk you through a reverse diet. They're going to slowly take you off tracking, but you are going to track at first.

You're going to hit those targets. They're going to monitor your strength training. Get you through that process. By the end of it, you're confident. You're confident you could do it. Okay. I would like to get a coach. I don't know if I could afford a good coach.

Well, I'll tell you this much. you definitely can't afford a bad coach. You don't want a bad. Yeah. That's a complete. You might as well like your money. For real. I feel like I'd be doing better with no coach than a bad coach.

At least I'm not burning money. Yes. 100%. What you need to look at this though, Nick, this is not a luxury thing to have. This is an investment in yourself. And you just got to ask yourself if this is something that's really important to you. If it's not that important to you, then don't spend the money. Don't invest in it.

But if this is something that before you have kids, this is something that you want to have control of you want to see what low teens body fat percentage will you you want to know what it's like to be able to maintain that comfortably have evan flows in work be healthy be fit be a be a strong father be good there for your wife if you if that's something that's important to you and you want invest then you invest in it if you don't then you don't but it's a lot like what i don't know what you do for work but i'm sure you had to get certifications or get training or learn your skill to make money and i'm sure whatever that cost time wise effort wise to do that it's paid itself 10 full back because it's what you do for a career.

The same thing is with this with coaching. This is not a luxury or I'm buying something that would be nice to have. This is an investment in learning about yourself and figuring this out. But if you don't give a shit, then you don't give a shit. But if you care, then that's what this is. And then after you have it, you have those tools forever. Well, when you put it that way, okay, okay. Look, let me have, I'll have somebody call you today.

Ask all the questions you want. Okay. see if it's something you want to do. But I'm really glad to ask you the last two questions that I ask you because this makes a lot of sense now. And it would be like it would be life-changing for someone like you. Okay. Yeah, yeah, I'd love someone to reach out to me and at least talk about it. All right, Nick, let's do that.

I hope to see you in there, brother. And if we see you in there, I'll see you in there because I hop in on some of the calls. All right. I appreciate it. Thank you very much, guys. Oh, by the way, you drive down the Bay Area, right? Yeah, yeah, usually San Francisco. Okay, so we're in San Jose, and you end up working with one of our coaches.

We'll probably see you here and there. Yeah, yeah, we'll have you come in. We're in San Jose. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I would, I'd absolutely love that. Cool. Yeah, it's good. Right on, Nick.

Thanks, bro. Hope to see you, brother. All right, thanks, guys. Take care. Yep. You know, it's funny is what a, what a lesson, right? That looks going to be deceiving. Because initially you're talking to him, and it just sounds like regular dude.

Yeah. Want to get in shape, contractor, whatever. There was hesitancy there, though. Yeah, I picked up on that. And I was like, yeah, let me dig in that to a little bit because that's, it's an interesting thing that he just said. And sure enough, he was an overweight kid. Yeah. And listen, it's good to know.

Yeah, dude. It's what happens with someone like that when they try to go off track and either they don't because it's scary or they do. And they go crazy with the food, which then really scares them. And they just don't solve this problem. And just, you know, for people listening, a coach walks you through that process. Oh, and now it's very clear everything that's going on. He's underslept, overworked. Underfed.

Underfed. Underfed. Recipe for body is not losing body fat, stuck at a certain place. That's 100% he's at that trifecta. And it's step by step to fix that. But like I said, it's an investment in yourself to learn this and figure it out. And either you care about it. You know what sucks is either you care about it now or you will care.

At some point. Yeah. It's forced on. Yeah. And so hopefully he's at a place in his life where he can see that. and have the foresight of, you know what, I don't want to be, I'd also do, because throw on marriage to kids and older. Learn it now.

Yeah. Learn it now. Stress bucket. It gets more difficult because that all those things are as important or more important. Our next caller is Rachel from England. Rachel. Hey, Rachel. Hi.

Hello. Hi. Lovely to meet you. You too. How can we help you? Yeah. Just want to say thank you for your advice and everything that you do. I've been following you since, have a quick,

20, 21, avid listener of you, really, I'm trying to learn everything I can. I feel like I'm spinning my wheels. I'm 58. I am just double-jerk, 5'8, 147 pounds, and I want to look like I lift, and I don't look like I lift. I'm on second time now on anabolic, you're anabolic, following that second time through.

I push. I've got my own home gym here that's got the everything here, bench press, got cable machine, got everything that I need, adjustable dumbbells, barbell. I really do push. I'm very, very dedicated to it.

I take HRT, testosterone, I'm on EEA's creatine. I eat roughly 2,000 calories a day. I always eat my protein. I feel like I'm spinning my wheel. Rachel. Thank you for calling, first of all. I appreciate you following us for so long. Yeah. Do you, do you, how's your eyesight? I know. Let's get to this. Yeah. I don't need to see the rest of you. I can see the vein in your shoulder. You can tell. I can tell. I could tell you work out. I could tell you work out. I can tell you lift weights.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm all, you know, I was, you know, JJ Virgin, the lady, I think she's been on your podcast before. I think that she's 63 and she's incredible. I want arms like she's got. Yeah, well, I want to look like Mr. Olympia. Listen, lift your arm up again. Let me see your arm again. Put your arm up. Give us your bicep. Oh, no, stop it. Are you kidding me? Rachel, can I tell you what the problem is, Rachel? Can I be blunt? Please. I think you're, I think you're way too hard on yourself. Okay. My husband says that. You're doing everything. You look, but I don't need to see the rest of you at all. I could just see your shoulders. If you said nothing, if you sent us a picture of this right here, I would

be like, oh, she lifts weights consistently. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're really hard on yourself, hon. How's your strength? Tell me about your strength. Tell me about your lifts. Okay, so I bench 110 pounds. Squatting is not brilliant because I've got one bad knee, but I squat 115 pound. Deadlift, 183, barbell, curl, 63 pounds. Rachel, you're one of the strongest, you're one of the strongest 58-year-old women that you probably have ever met. Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay.

Yeah. That's nice to hear. Yeah. I mean, you're kicking butt, hon. Yeah. Okay. Look around. When you go outside today, look around at the average late 50s, early 60s woman.

Do they look anything like you? Well, I play golf. So, yeah, a lot of them are very fit and, yeah, lean. I bet they don't look like you. Yeah. Yeah. You're really hard on yourself, hon. You're doing a great job.

Tell me about, I mean, I don't know if there's anything I can change, but let's talk a little bit. So what does your nutrition look like? Massively into my protein. I always get at least 30 grams of protein for breakfast and lunch, evening meal. I now and again have a drink, not often if I do it, it's a tequila. Oh, sugar. You've gone off? No, we're here.

You back on. Back on. Sorry. Yeah, I eat very clean. I do 12,000 steps a day, and on golf days I do 20,000. On the golf days, I try to eat more because you always say you have to eat to build muscle. So I just feel like I'm spinning my wheels. And for what I'm doing, I don't feel like I'm getting stronger.

Well, what are your calorie? Do you have any idea where your calories land every day? Sounds like you're under eating. Yeah, I just say, we might, what? How much? 22? 2000. Yeah.

Yeah, that's pretty low. And you said like 90 grams of protein a day on average, 30 grams. Yes, definitely. I always hit my protein. Yeah, but so that's 90 grams of protein. You're 100 and would you say 48 pounds? Yeah. Yes.

Okay. Yeah. You're tall too. You're tall too. You add another 30, 40 grams of protein. Another meal. Just that another meal. You'll gain more muscle.

Yeah, we need to build. That's it. We need to, in order to. So we're, just so you know, just to be clear here, because I think we all agree that I think you look phenomenal. you look great. You can literally just keep doing what you're doing. And you're kicking butt. And you're kicking butt. But if you want to see

more body composition change, if you want to build more muscle and be more... Yeah, you got to feed. Then we need to, we need to fuel and we need to eat more. So we need to go on a bulk. We need to eat more calories. We need to really focus on building. I don't care if I see the scale go up five pounds or not. Like, I want to see your strength go up. Which it's all... By the way, it's good already.

Very good. And if you were happy, I'd be happy. But if you're telling me, Adam, I really... I want to see if I can build more muscle. I say, great, we need to eat more calories. We got to eat more calories. You're a very, you're very active. You know, somebody who steps, steps as much as you do, golfs on the top of your weight training. Also. Yeah, you, we need to feed you. We need to eat more calories and we need to go on a reverse diet. So have you ever considered have somebody take you through this. Have you ever had a coach, take you through it?

It couldn't afford it at the moment. Yeah. Yeah. It's not something that it would be. If you added another 30 to 40 grams of protein in another small meal, like another 300 calorie meal and just stay consistent with that, you'll see your muscle goal. Are you running any of our programs? Are you doing your own program? I'm on anabolic. You're on anabolic. And I've got symmetry as well.

Oh, great. Follow symmetry. Great two programs for you to toggle back and forth from. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah, we just need to eat more. You add another three hundred, another small meal with another 30 grams of protein, just that by itself.

You'll feel that in the performance too. Yeah. But why not get fluffy? No, no. No, no. No, you're so active. It's not, yeah. Yeah.

And promise. And promise me you won't, you won't get into the, in fact, I would want, no, don't get on the scale. Don't judge that right now. Like, the goal is eat more and let's see if we can get stronger on those lifts. The lifts that you already told us about, let's see if we can increase those lifts. It's literally just another healthy meal with another 30 grams approaching. That's it. Okay.

That's it. Perfect spot for you. And you're just going to build muscle with it. You're not going to get any, there's not going to be any body fat game with that. I love for you to just do that and follow back up with us in about 60 days. Yeah, let's do this. 60 days. Let's get you back on.

Okay, that'd be lovely. Yes. Good. Yes. All right. Yeah. Okay. Can't wait to see you.

So much. Thank you. Thank you. Do it, Rachel. You love it. Bye. I love your families. Bye.

Bye. She's like, I don't know if I look like I live. I'm like, she's sitting there. She's got like a vein. I see a vein in your belt. Rachel.

You're a 58-year-old woman with a vein in your cell. That was a great, great line to you asked her. Is it all your eyesight? Yeah, dude. Like, what do you see here, bro? I mean, she's comparing, you know, typical. It's common.

She's comparing herself to one woman, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody who's an exception to the rule type of deal. Yeah. But, man, what a, and this is, this is such a, I think one of the most interesting parts about our job is that's a classic example of, that's a dream place I want all my 58-year-old people to be, like to get to that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, to be where she's at, leanness-wide. activity-wise, strength-wise, vibrant, I mean, hormonal, all the things she's doing at all. But she still wants more. And so this is the part where it's just like, we can tweak a couple things.

Yeah, we can tweak a couple things. But know that you're, you're it. That's right. Yeah, this is it. This is the good place to be. That's right. Our next caller is Tyler from Washington. What's up, Tyler?

Hey, Tyler. What's up, man? Hey, how's it going? Good, man. Good, man. How can we help you? How can we help you? Yeah.

Yeah, so Justin looks nervous, so I'm just going to read my, you know. Thanks, man. Let's get this over with. Yeah. Hey, Mind Pump team. I'm 25 years old. I've been listening to you guys for about four years now. And ever since my life has changed so drastically, from interest and hobbies to relationships and work,

you've always been in my ear providing guidance on health and longevity. Also wanted to mention back in college, you guys. inspired me to build an app to track my protein, and now I'm working on another fitness-related app. So as my mentors from afar, I'd like your advice on finding life mentors who I aspire to learn from and share my struggles with. I remember once you described your 20s in one word, and it was lost. I can't help but resonate with that so strong way. So who were your mentors, and how did you find them? For some background information about me, I moved to Seattle two years ago for a software engineer job.

It pays great and I love the benefits, but I'm not very passionate about my work. I'm passionate about tech and using it to improve people's lives, not really maintaining enterprise-level systems that aren't helping anyone. And I just picked up playing hockey two years ago. I'm currently on a beer league team,

and this has been a blast for creating a sense of purpose and community, but it's only once a week. Thanks. Yeah, you got it, man. Thanks for calling in, bro. This is cool. Curious, because it sounds like you're, what are you passionate about?

What do you want to do long-term work-wise? What's kind of like, what's dream job, dream situation for you? Every time I touch tech, it tends to revolve around just bettering people's lives, usually through health and fitness because that's where I've seen the most growth myself. Nice, dude. So advice around that, because I feel like this is a cool way to kind of have. into finding a mentor and then also accelerate your growth in business and financially. So I would find somebody who is doing something that I like doing the dream job or doing

something in the field that I would love to be in and I would find a way to offer my services to them free. No matter what it is, I don't give a shit if it's driving them around helping them around you know the office or running errands for them. I would offer my services to that person so I could be get in proximity of that person. Because just being around that person who is doing the thing that I want to do, I'm going to gain so much from that, learning that. And then in that process, I might end up building a natural mentor right there. Or maybe the people that are around that person I find a mentor to.

I think that's a great strategy. And I think it does, like I said, it doesn't need to be paid. I think sometimes people feel like, well, but I need to make money. I was like, cool, make money. Do your thing that makes, the job, but then if you really want to pursue a good mentorship or you really want to accelerate and grow in a different field, go find the person who's doing something closest to what you want to do later in your life and go help them out for free. And if this is a good person and a good

potential mentor, like I would never shut down a kid who knocked on our door and said, hey, I want to work for you guys for free. What can I do? I just want to be around you and around the things that you're doing, what can I do? Like, I would never kick that kid out. All of us would be like, awesome. And we'd probably find something for him to do to be around us. And then that would foster a relationship. And let me tell you, we have kids that work for us today that started in free interns

that make a tremendous amount of money working for us now. And that's how that relationship started was, hey, I'll do anything. I don't know how to edit or anything like that. I'll learn. And I'll do it for free. And now these people are in leadership positions in this company. making big money. And so that's what I would do if I was you,

is I would find who that is and then find a way to get in there and help out for free and see where that goes from there. Tyler, what are the main motivations for finding a mentor? I think it's just the sense of being lost and wanting to look up to someone, someone to, I'm not sure.

Just something to navigate my life with. Well, you said just made sense. I totally get that. So I'll start with a caveat, okay. And something I learned in my youth with mentors is that don't forget people are people. And so what you don't want to do is put someone on a pedestal because they'll let you down. But you can find good mentors in different parts of life. So a good business mentor doesn't mean that they're going to be a good family mentor or a good morality mentor.

but good in that one area. So just consider that. Also consider when it comes to mentorship, it works both ways and all of it for your benefit. In other words, you can find someone who's in a different stage of life from you, an older guy who's doing things. You can learn from him. But then also you can take someone under you who's younger than you that's in a different stage, and both of those will benefit you greatly.

So mentoring others is another form of mentorship that will actually bring you a tremendous amount of value. good places to look. Do you go to a church? I do not. Okay. So here's a deal. You're feeling lost. You want to find a good community. You mentioned the beer league that you're in in your email, and it sounds like you're finding some good community there. Okay. Find yourself a good church. You don't have to believe in anything yet, but if you go in there with the attitude of, I want to meet people, find a good community. Good churches always have a really tight community. Mentorship is typically baked into the

community itself because it's part of the gospel. Find yourself a good church. Just walk in. Be curious. And then ask them if they have any life groups or if they have any community based groups for guys your age or whatever. And you'll find some great ones. Or you should be able to find some great ones. And then just show up. If you're open to meeting people and open to new experiences, I think you'll be quite surprised. And for someone your age who's looking for growth, who feels a little lost, I think that could be a phenomenal place to find some of the the meaning and purpose and also the community that you're looking for. Just to piggyback more off of what Sal said about,

I'm so glad he said that about not putting them on a page because I know I pushed you in the business direction because that's where my brain goes always. The people who I think of in my life that are like mentors are different for all different categories. There's definitely the business killer who I go, when I got something on my mind I'm wrestling with, I can't get breakthrough in this business and something. There's definitely someone I pick up the phone. and that is not the same person who when I'm struggling with something with my wife and my kid or

some of that and I pick up the phone, right? Or there's somebody who I'm struggling with my relationship or walk with Christ. They're all different people. So there isn't one man that I go like, oh, he's the, all these things. It rarely ever is that. Normally, each one of them are in their discipline, they're amazing. My spiritual guidance, he's the worst person to ask business advice from. My business guy, worst guy to ask business.

You know what I'm saying? Like my, and my business guy, terrible guy to ask, you know, parenting family stuff. Like, so very good point to don't, you know, who would really be cognizant of what you're seeking for what reasons and go after it for those reasons. And let go of the fact that he may not be the best father. But hey, when he's helping you with your business mind and what you're working on there, great, great mentor for that. So I think that's great advice. And so and that's what it looks like in my life. It doesn't look like one man is that for me or one woman.

Is that a collective bunch of people in my life like that, that you find aspects that you really admire about. And it really, it's about being open. Like, so if you're already in a bit of a community, you can start picking up on these things, like, you know, what they do for their trade. Like, you know, are they a good father? Are they a good role model in, you know, in the community somehow?

Or, you know, is there a way that my skills can benefit them? And then that's kind of like the bridge. there where it opens up, you know, a lot of that opportunity where, you know, you're building your own network of, of, you know, leaders. And you can, you can definitely pull from them. And that's going to help to, you know, give you some guidance down. I'm really, I'm really happy that you called at your age at 24. Yeah. Like, that's, this is, this is excellent. The fact that you feel lost is something that I didn't necessarily know I felt in my 20s until later. And then looking back, I was lost as heck.

I was running all kinds of different directions. It shows a lot of maturity on your farm. That's really, really, that's actually good, even though it feels a little probably to you like, doesn't feel good. It's just your awareness of the reality. And I just want to echo this. I don't know how open you are to go into a church,

but I really think it would be a good idea to walk in and don't just attend the sermon. That's fine. But you talk to them afterwards and say, hey, do you guys have, like, do you guys have life groups and community? And you could tell them, I'm not a, you know, I'm not a believer, but I'm looking to make friends.

I'm looking to build community. They'll welcome you in with open arms, if they're a good church. And what you'll find there are probably really good people, but really good organized community. And like what you get with your beer league, but maybe even better and deeper. And then I think that'll move you and point you in different directions that I think will be beneficial.

Something that Sal said too that I think is important to reiterate too. And I don't know if you've heard me talk about my relationship with Katrina and one of the most attractive qualities that made me fall in love with her about was I never at that point met a woman who had as many connections and relationships as I did. And I found that was super.

And together, it's amazing how we could pick up a phone and go anywhere, do anything, and we have somebody who will do that. And what that's from is it's from decades, starting in my 20s, all the way into my 40s and her also of doing for others, serving others. And that and that and it's amazing when you're, you consistently do that without expecting anything

in return, but doing doing kind things and doing things of service to other people. Before you know it, you wake up in your 35 one day and you've been doing that for 10 years. And you've got a hundred people at the, that you could pick a phone up and call because you need help or a favor for something. But it all started with giving your time, giving your service, giving to others without expecting anything in return and that builds. It's a beautiful thing when you do it. It takes time and consistency. But if you start now because you care about those things, you'll look back in your 30s and 40s and you're going to have a lot of mentors, a lot of connections and a lot of people you can reach out to.

Yeah, dude. Awesome. Well, thank you guys so much. I appreciate it. Yeah, you got it, man. Do you mind if I ask another question? No, go. Let's go. Yeah. So I wanted to know what my training should look like. I want to bulletproof my body for sports, yet still build it for aesthetics. For some more context, I was a fat kid growing up and used keto dieting on and off. This caused some thyroid issues, and I've been diagnosed with Hashimoto's. I'm taking armor thyroid to help, but haven't really felt young since I was 20. I've dislocated my right shoulder several times now,

had surgery to fix it, and it's popped out twice since. Every time it pops out, it loosens the work, and I'm praying it doesn't pop out of it. again, but I'm sure it eventually will. And then at the end of May, I played in a hockey tournament and ended up with a grade two tear in my PCL and some MCL damage. So still recovering from that. And yeah, I'm not sure what my training should look like right now.

How often are you playing, are you practicing hockey right now? Right now I'm doing once a week, just because my knee doesn't feel exactly stable. Okay. I want to get to twice a week. Okay. I like maps, I like map symmetry for you. Okay. Yeah, I'll send you that program.

I think it'll be good unilateral at all with stability, both with your shoulder and with your knee and your hip and ankle, which are connected to that. When you get up to playing two times a week, I'd move to like our Maps 15 program call. Yeah. So Maps, so Maps symmetry, when you bump up your hockey,

Maps 15 symmetry. I see it. Okay. Yep. And I think that'll be perfect for you. We'll send you symmetry. Unilateral focus. It'd be great.

Cool. Thank you guys. You got it, man. All right, brother. Good luck, dude. Keep it up, Tyler. Thanks. Take it easy.

Take it easy. I remember learning that lesson with some of my first mentors because they were phenomenal mentors. And then you, I put them on a pedestal. Oh, no, it was a great point you made. And then I noticed the flaws in them, which was like devastating, you know, as a kid. It's like, we got, you're a person. Everybody's got everybody.

No, no, it's such a great. I mean, and rarely do you get somebody who's like a real all-encompassing mentor. It's like you really, it's very specific. That's right. Yeah. Great fathers. to be great fathers, great business guys. But, I mean, and you, and it's okay.

It's okay to, I don't, and I don't think you take anything away from that person just because they're not good at another thing. It's just like you can take from each of those. You just got to go into understanding that because otherwise it can be kind of devastating. Yeah. Our next color is Jenna from Wisconsin. Jenna, welcome back. Hi, Jenna.

It's so good to see you guys again. How's it going? Good. Give us the update. All right. Yeah. So the update is I've been doing the hip flexor. movement that you recommended that Roman chair movement.

And I feel like things are definitely getting better going in the right direction. I've definitely noticed some improved strength and stability in that area. Yesterday, I actually, for the first time, loaded it with a 10-pound kettlebell when I was doing it, and that felt really good. So I've definitely had less flare-ups. There were a couple, though. One of them was after I was kind of running around with my kids, we have this track just down the road.

So we were just kind of running around, keep it up with my toddler. And the next day, I definitely noticed a little bit of a flare-up, but it really was minor and kind of less severe than I'm used to and subsided pretty quickly. The other one was I recently re-signed up for a new old to me. me, gym, I should say. And I met with one of the trainers there, and he kind of worked with me through some of my bigger lifts. And I noticed the next day after squatting and deadlifting that I could kind of feel the area talking a little bit. But again, it resolved quite quickly. It's definitely not as bad as I'm used to. So I do think that that's still reassuring.

Yeah, definitely feeling a little bit stronger. from when I started doing those Roman chair movements to now. It's definitely like I feel like I can do it easier and I was comfortable enough to add that kettlebell in. Good job. Thank you. A couple of follow-up questions that I do have before getting back into heavier lifts. I'm currently, I did run back symmetry. So I, after the third phase, went back to phase one.

So I'm currently at the end of phase two right now again. Good. And then once I'm done with symmetry, what would be the best program to slide into in the past? In the past, I've done, in like the past year, I should say, I've done anabolic performance and muscle mommy. I haven't done power lift or strong before. And I was wondering if maybe those might be a good option. Those are both great. Those are both great options.

I want to give you some advice going forward with like if you notice that again, nothing stops you from running a different program. And then when I get to like barbell back squats, I do Bulgarian split squats instead. Okay. So if you notice it's still kind of talking to you, we're improving from what you're doing, which is great, great sign.

We're moving in the right direction. Real easy way to regress to go back the other way is to push yourself too much on a barbell back squat when it's not ready yet. Right. So if you feel it talking to you like that again when you do something, then just, hey, I'm going to do when I get to barbell back squats in the program, I'm going to do Bulgarian split squats instead. Yeah.

So that would be my suggestion is to do stuff like that or if you noticed it talking to you from a barbell deadlift, I'm going to have you do single leg deadlift instead of doing a barbell deadlift. So if you notice it, do that instead of kind of just pushing through it or going like, oh, it's not as bad as it was last time. Take that sign of it's still talking to me and I still have a bit of an imbalance and instability there. We can get stronger, get better there, and stick with that. So you could totally keep moving through different maps programs, but just keep that in the back of your head when you get to those movements and your body talks to you. And this is exactly

how I move through my life all the time is I move in and out of our different types of programs, but if I feel something in my body, then he goes, oh, I probably should do single leg there because I don't, it doesn't feel right to go do heavy loaded back. It's totally okay too. Yeah, Jenna, I'll say it's expected. First off, great job. And it looks like we nailed the, we hit the nail on the head for what the issue was. The little flare-ups are, I think she froze.

Can you guys hear me? Yeah, there you are. Okay. I'll start over. Sorry. No worries. I'll start over. Okay.

So it sounds like what we really hit the nail on the head with our recommendation. and so that's, I would stay there with what you're doing. The flare-ups are expected because it's only been, what is it, 60 days? Okay. Yeah. So here's what happens when you have pain and correctional exercise addresses the root cause of the pain. The first thing that happens is you get strong enough to where the pain goes away, but you're still not strong enough to be where you should be.

That takes a little while. It's probably going to take you another 60 to 90 days. Yeah, that you got to eliminate. Okay. So you still got to be careful. You still got to be careful. Even though there's no pain, it's not as strong as it needs to be before you can just go back into doing everything without ever experiencing a flare-up. Okay?

So we're only 60 days in. It's probably going to take another 60 to 90 days of that kind of dedicated work before you're like, you know, you're in the clear type of the other. So just consider that as you continue to do this. Okay. Program-wise, Matt, power lift or strong is perfectly fine. but because of the hip flexor thing, I'd probably lean more towards strong than PowerLift because PowerLift is so heavy,

you know, squat focused. And I know that can kind of annoy your hip flexor a little bit. Yeah. So we can point you in that direction. And I think that would be great. Okay. Okay. Cool.

I did in my follow-up email include some RISAM body scans too that I did at the Anytime Fitness. And I noticed that it looked like things are kind of kind of more balanced as far as like the muscle tissue left to right than before. So I feel like that's kind of reassuring. It's been a long time since I've done one of those scans. It was February 20, 24 since I did one. So it's been a while.

But I think that's also kind of reassuring that things seem to be relatively balanced as far as. That's right. This is what we consistently see with people that go through symmetry. And you went through, you're going through symmetry for a second time, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's great.

Yeah. It's super consistent when we see people. It's actually one of the coolest things is that when we have those Dexter scans that show left or right, it's one of our favorite things is having a client go through that. And they notice the balancing of that just from running that program one time. And you've run it twice.

So it's definitely from that. Okay. Very cool. Good job. I do have a quick follow up if you guys have extrament in there too. So I'm, I've been taking a GLP one for the past few months, just kind of something that I've been thinking. thinking about for a couple of years and I finally was just like I had an opportunity to try it out.

And I've been on a really, really low dose, just kind of getting a feel for it. I didn't want to have any issues with not being able to eat enough or losing muscle. And I think I've actually done a really good job of managing it. I feel like I'm actually stronger now that I was before and my weight hasn't fluctuated that much from when I started it. But I'm getting off of it. I'll probably be taking my last dose here in a couple of weeks. And is there anything that I should consider or be aware of that might be a challenge

once I'm kind of off of it? No, but let's just back up for a second. Okay. So I'm assuming you didn't get this from a doctor, right? You went online and bought it yourself? It's kind of a gray area. Yeah. I figure because I don't think a doctor.

would have prescribed a GLP to you. Okay. Yeah, because you're not a patient that would that would need a GLP. What was the, and just be honest, like, what was the, why use it? What was the, the motivation behind it? So the two biggest things that were my motivation that I really wanted to try it was, um, you had mentioned before that it was helped with inflammation and I've had some gut issues that I've been dealing with in the past.

It's gotten better like two years ago, I want to say I worked with Dr. Cabral and I did some of their testing and went through their CBO protocol and that really kind of helped things quite a bit. But I was still kind of dealing with some lingering issues. And I think I've kind of parsed it out a little bit. I know I'm like sensitive to gluten. So I typically stay away from that. Definitely pasta is a big one. too that bothers me um and then the other thing was just like food noise i feel like that's been kind of something that has been a big challenge for me or just like before i was constantly

thinking about my next meal or like it was just like constant like i'm eating but i'm thinking about like what i'm going to have for a snack after that type of thing and i feel like trying it was giving myself an opportunity to like break that cycle and hopefully once I come off of it have like a little bit of a better grasp on that and I that's a little bit of a fear is you know when I come off of it is that food noise going to be like glaring okay when I'm not taking it no but here's there's two couple things so here's a deal with gut issues and gLPs the kind of gut issues that get better with GLPs have to do with people who have really fast motility. So people who tend towards gut issues that cause diarrhea.

Most women are the opposite. Most women's gut issues are due to slow motility. And so gut issues tend to get worse. In fact, one of the side effects, the most common side effects of GLP is worse gut issues. So I'm the rare kind of person who actually gets better. with a glp because i have too fast motility but that's almost never the case especially if you have sebo because motility tends to be slow so that that's first one the second one do you have a history of like big swings and weight like were you really obese at one point and then lost weight

or were you is that not really an issue for you i've been definitely more overweight um I would say, I think my heaviest I was at was like 210, and that's like not including pregnancy. Like pregnancy, I got up to like 240 both times, but it was like gone like that. Right now I'm sitting at 187. So I've definitely been heavier than I am now. But I would say like. What you're, so I'll pause right there. What you're talking, what you're mentioning or what you're referring to as food noise is just being normal.

that you're just you're just being normal and maybe eating too little to fuel like your strength gains and stuff and so I just want to caution you I have an issue with eating too little I think it's actually kind of I borderline where I feel like I'm sometimes maybe eating too much and I have a hard time not gaining fat so so food noise when someone says food noise when I hear someone say that depending on the person what that typically means is okay let's eat more of whole natural food not let's eat like snacks or you know hyper palatable processed foods okay yeah so that would be the direction I'll point to I would point you in but I don't think um the food noise that you're experiencing that people who go on a gLP that need a glps experience I don't think they're they're one and the

same what did your what did your what did your scan come back body fat percentage guys were you at right now uh it's had 25.7 yeah you're at a good body you have a lot of muscle yeah I just I just Doug just now pulled up your photos right now. I'm looking at you right now. So you have good muscle mass. And if you're on a low dose, if you're microdosing GLP, you're probably not going to notice much when you come off. Where are your calories?

I haven't tracked recently, but if I had to guess right now, I'm probably sitting at between 1800 to 2,000 on the GLP. This is the food noise. Your food noise is because you're hungry and you should be. I was, my

calories were definitely higher prior to taking the GLP one. So I've definitely decreased a bit. Well, they should be. You have a lot of muscle. Unless you're an extremely sedentary person, then I would want you way higher in calories. There's a big difference.

You should be mid to high 2000s. And if you stick to whole natural foods, then you're going to eat pretty appropriately. Unless we have some, a past of like dysfunctional eating, in which case sometimes those signals are off. but the weight fluctuation you gave me is not huge. Yeah.

You would stick to whole natural foods. You'd feel like, ooh, I'm hungry. Then you go to, you know, more of what you had for dinner or more of what you prepped. I feel like I've definitely made a lot of strides. Like, I do eat, like, I would say 85% whole natural foods. Like, I eat a good amount of protein. I don't eat a lot of junk food or sweets and stuff like that.

So I think I'm pretty good there. And I think I'm actually really reassured at how the trajectory is going to go with me coming off the GLP and then in turn getting back into some of those heavier lifting or different program that hopefully once my appetite kind of starts gradually increasing, that it's just going to go towards building more muscle. Yeah, that's what you've got to focus on. That's what will happen. Yeah, you're good. And just, again, I'm going to caution you the, the, the, the, call it a great market because you don't know. No, so I didn't get it on the gray market.

It was actually prescribed, but not to myself. I'll say that. Oh, okay. Okay. Gangster style. All right. That's all right. I mean,

it's not all right, but it's better than what I thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don't think you're going to notice this crazy. But you're, but the real point of us bringing in that,

you know, you're not somebody who needs this. Like you're, I knew you guys would say that. Yeah, of course you knew we were going to say that. I mean, you need,

you just more, you need more calories. And I would push you. If you're telling me that Adam, I'm still thinking about food or I'm still snacking, I'd be saying, oh, it's because we're too low calories. If you lean into that map strong and get strong and get your lift strong. And when you're hungry, eat, but just make good food choices, you're going to continue to build muscle.

Yep. Yeah. And I don't care about the scale right now. Don't look at that. Don't pay attention to that. Just keep going direction. And you're already at a good body fat percentage. I mean, you're, you're a nice body fat percentage.

Yeah. If you actually just focus on building, you'll probably get a little leaner even. Yeah. Yeah. You will. You will. That's it. Yep. Yeah, good. We'll send you Map Strong if you don't have that, okay? I do. I do have it. I have strong and power lift. Oh, okay. Do strong. Do strong.

Yeah. Have you ever thought, let me pause you. Have you ever thought about working with one of our coaches, Jenna? You have all of our programs. You'd be such a good candidate. So I met with, I believe it's Cole. Yeah. Back in, you guys were running a special at the end of last year for, reverse dieting. And I actually met with him at the end of last year and kind of just got a bit of a plan. And I started on that plan, but then I started the GLP. But I told him right now I probably wouldn't do it just because last year I switched to working part time just so I could spend

more time with my kids for a while. So maybe in the future I'd be interested in that. Just probably not right now. Well, go follow the plan though, all the way through. Do strong and follow the plan. So if you already got the plan that they laid out for you, follow the plan and run strong. Yep. And run it through. You'll love it. No GLP one. All right.

I'm looking forward to it. All right, Jenna. Thank you, Jenna. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye. You remember when I said probably three out of four Americans are going to be on a GLP? Yeah, I definitely not argue.

Back to back. It's just you're just going to have people using them. Oh, it's everybody, bro. And you know what happens? Here's a deal. It's beyond the obese now. And the common, the terminology that people are using is now getting twisted and distorted to mean something else.

Like food noise. What is food noise? Thinking about food? No, that's normal. Get rid of your hunger. That's normal. Yeah. Which is not.

The food noise that when we're, when you're talking about someone who's really struggling with obesity, who's gone on and off, was a candidate for a GLP, is doing it the right way. It's actually food obsession is what they should call it. That's what they mean by food noise. It's this constant thought of, that's why it's called noise. It's because it's always in the background. It's not, man, after I eat, I still want a little dessert.

or, you know, later at night. So I want to get rid of that. That's not food noise. That's normal. Especially when you're eating 1,800 calories. And you got that much muscle mass on you. We got to talk more about this. That's your body saying, you need more food.

Give me more food. You're strength training me. And we have all this muscle. I'm going to lose this muscle if you don't feed it. That's what that is. It's a good signal. That's right. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram.

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