Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2929: 5 "Health" Foods That Are Actually Sabotaging Your Diet

Episode Date: August 22, 2026

In this episode the guys break down 5 health foods you should probably avoid — roasted nuts and why they're one of the only whole natural foods that's hyper palatable and calorie dense enough to blow your deficit without realizing it, smoothies and juices and how blending dramatically raises glycemic index and strips the fiber that makes whole fruit satisfying, granola and how it went from an endurance athlete energy food to a widely misunderstood sugar bomb, raw vegetables and why cooking actually makes nutrients more bioavailable not less, and raw fish and the parasite data that most frequent sushi eaters aren't aware of. They also get into how celebrity Ozempic face is becoming impossible to hide, the full story of Sal accidentally buying women's Michael Kors sneakers on Amazon and wearing them to church, Arlo the dog getting Justin back in the dark during an outdoor bathroom break, Troscriptions Tro Mune and the cordycepin research on viral replication and REM sleep, the coaches responding to backlash from last episode's fat and fit post, and Paul Chek peeing in his yard mid-sentence the first time they met him. Then they coach live callers submitted through mplivecaller.com.   Mind Pump Fitness Coaching: https://mindpumpfitnesscoaching.com 1.9 NASM CEUs   SPONSORS   Organifi (parasite cleanse): https://organifi.com/mindpump Code: MINDPUMP for 20% off.   Troscriptions : https://troscriptions.com/MINDPUMP Code: MINDPUMP for 10% off first order.    LMNT (electrolytes): https://drinklmnt.com/MindPump Free sample pack with any purchase, no code needed. 1,000mg sodium per serving, no sugar, no artificial sweeteners.   LINKS   Submit a live caller question: https://mplivecaller.com Mind Pump Store: https://mindpumpstore.com Maps Fitness Products: https://mapsfitnessproducts.com Instagram: @mindpumpmedia   0:00 - Intro 3:14 - 5 health foods you should probably avoid 4:51 - Health food #1: Roasted nuts — the one whole natural food that acts like a processed food 9:27 - Health food #2: Smoothies and juices — why blending raises glycemic index and strips fiber 15:00 - Health food #3: Granola — how endurance athlete fuel became a widely misunderstood sugar bomb 17:24 - Health food #4: Raw vegetables — why cooking makes nutrients more bioavailable not less 20:07 - Health food #5: Sushi — the parasite data most regular sushi eaters never see 24:29 - How to do the Organifi parasite cleanse correctly — two cycles 15 days apart 27:39 - Celebrity Ozempic face — the emaciated look that can't be hidden anymore 30:09 - Sal's Michael Kors sneakers situation — accidentally buying women's shoes on Amazon 49:09 - Troscriptions Tro Mune — cordycepin for immune support, viral replication and REM sleep 51:41 - Coaches respond to backlash from the fat and fit is better than skinny and unfit post 56:00 - Caller: Stephanie (Ohio) — gastric sleeve, 95 pounds lost, skin removal surgery, DEXA showing body fat up 1:08:41 - Caller: Fabian (Florida) — bulging disc after long drive and squats, gets MAPS Symmetry 1:23:54 - Caller: Renee (Hawaii) — hysterectomy recovery, cannabis sobriety at 15 days, feeling isolated 1:45:34 - Caller: Susan (Australia) — chronically overtrained, multiple recurring injuries, up at 3am for the call  

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Enjoy the rest of the show. The health food category. It's supposed to have foods in there that are good for you, right? Not so fast. Today we're going to talk about five health foods. You should probably stay away from. Don't eat them. Let's get to it.

This is going to be one of those clips. This is going to be one. Bring on the comments. A few of these are going to piss people off. The first one. They're all going to piss you off. The first one right out of the gates. It's going to make some people mad.

But let me just start by, before I tell you what the first one is, everybody, I'm going to just set the stage here because if I say people are going to throw something at their computer screen or their phone or whatever. So here's a deal. You will oftentimes hear us say, oftentimes hear us say to people, stick to whole natural foods, eat until you're satisfied. Yeah. Okay. And now this is true 99% of the time. It's actually true 99% of time. But every time I give that advice in the back of my mind, some exceptions.

There's this one whole natural food that kind of doesn't fit. And what I mean by that is if you eat this one and eat until you're satisfied, you're going to definitely overeat. You're going to exceed your calories. It acts more like a heavily processed food in terms of the satiety that it doesn't necessarily produce, or at least the satiety that you get by the time you've already eaten 1,500 calories of this food. It's the one whole natural food that when I would work on my clients, I would tell them, let's take those out and that's roasted nuts.

Yeah. And that's going to make people... Roasted salted nuts hits different than raw dry almonds. That's right. Yeah. Because you eat 25 raw dry almonds, you're good. You're good. But you have roasted, salted almonds.

Especially if they're flavored. 250 of them I could throw down. Yeah. Yeah, this is the one time when I would have clients avoid heavily processed foods. if I forgot to tell them this. This was early days, right? When I started figure out like, okay, if you stay away from heavily processed foods

and you eat whole natural foods, eat protein, you know, make sure you hear your protein targets. That was the other part. Everybody lost weight. Everybody got in better shape. They didn't really have to track. We would just start to see these nice changes.

But then I'd have those clients that this wasn't really working. So, and we'd wait a little bit, it still wasn't working. And I'd be like, okay, tell me what you're eating. Yeah. And it was the nuts. It was roasted nuts.

I've had clients that actually didn't even track because it was like, oh, I forgot. I had, you know, a handful, like in between and I was just walking, you know, to. It didn't even matter. Like, you either walk it through the store and they're just grabbing. Chill 600 calories. Easy. Exactly. Easy.

How many calories are in? Like, how many almonds, Doug? Look up. How many almonds does it take to get to 200 calories? 25 is the reason I know that it's like 25 is like a moderate as a small meal. So it's like 250 to 300 calories will be like 25 raw almonds. No way. Yes, dude.

Wow, 200 calories is 28 to 30. Yeah, so 25 was always, I know that because I know like that would be like a moderate snack. So one ounce serving, typically a one ounce serving of nuts or almonds is 164 calories. Put one ounce, measure and weigh one ounce of almonds. So they have 23 almonds up here. I've always known it as 25. Yeah, you put it in front of you. Nobody eats one ounce of roasted.

No, no. It's such a small amount. It's not even a pawnful. That's a little teaser, yeah. Yeah, it's one of those things that, and here's a deal. Roasted nuts are, they are healthy. Now, raw probably is better just because the roasting process

changes the fats a little bit. But nonetheless, roasted nuts have a healthy nutrient profile. They really do. So it's not that the nut themselves is unhealthy. It's that they contribute very easily to overeating. And overeating, regardless of what you eat, when you're eating too many calories for too long, even if it's made up of quote unquote healthy foods,

you'll start to have some negative health effects. And nuts just every time I say eat whole natural foods, in the back of my mind, I'm always like, don't include roasted nuts. That'll throw you over every single time. I went through a kick where I used to keep dry, roasted, and salted peanuts in my desk. And it was during a time of trying to bulk and put size on,

I was just struggling to get calories. And I'm like, oh, nuts, peanuts will be such a great job. And I remember this because we were, it was during these times when we were doing a lot of the, um, in body scans or the hydrostatic ways that were coming to the gym all time. And I put on so much body fat between like this like these two dunks. And I'm like for the life of me, I'm like, what is it? Yeah. And that, and that, but up at that point, I had actually never measured away. Like what was I, how much was I drawn? I was like, because you just grabbed a handful. Oh, dude. I was eating thousands of calories. Easy. Yeah. And fat. In fat. Because most of it's fats. It is very minimal. It's calorically, here's a problem with roasted nuts. It's a combination of being calorically dense and hyper palatable. It's one of the few whole natural foods. In fact, I can't think of another one. I'm trying to think of a whole natural food that falls in this category.

It's one of the few whole natural foods that's hyper palatable, almost like... Oh, I have one more. It's on your list, number three. Okay, we'll get there in a second. I don't even think that's whole natural, but we'll get there. It's not the same thing, right? Roasted nuts is what's the ingredients? Nuts.

Yeah. Roasted, salt, right? but it's hyper palatable and it's super calorically dense, which is not a good combination. I mean, I remember the first time I calculated too, Adam, I would buy the bag of nuts at the gas station.

And I was always what I would like to eat. I'd like to eat nuts in a second bag or whatever. And then I remember I looked at the serving. And a bag of nuts from the gas station typically has like three or four servings. So like one serving was 300 calories. And I'm like, holy cow, I did a thousand calories? Yep.

In 10 minutes? Just like that. So yeah, so that's one right there. Unless you're trying to bulk and you have a really tough time adding calories, probably avoid that one. A better alternative. I'll try and do this for all the five of these, as you shit on all these health foods.

A better alternative to roasted nuts. I'd say it's beef turkey. Oh, yeah. Higher and protein, more satiating, lower calorie. Easy to eat 500 to 1,000 calories of nuts. Eat 500 calories to 1,000 calories of jerky. I dare you. Very difficult to do.

It's really, really hard to do. All right. Next up, smoothies and juices. This one's a little bit more known today, I would say, but still today there's this kind of general idea that because a smoothie contains fruits and vegetables or because juice comes from fruit, that it's a health food. And what they'll do, and here's how they advertise. By the way, you'll see this with like asai bowls too. I'll place that in the same category, right? Like the bowls of like the frozen blended fruits or whatever.

the way that they promote it as healthy is they'll promote the antioxidant, you know, what it contains in terms of antioxidants. Some of the nutrient profiles. Super high in certain antioxidants. These antioxidants have benefits for things like inflammation and brain health and anti-cancer. Sometimes they'll have some fiber in them. Oftentimes they have no fiber in them. But they'll advertise these micronutrients that are beneficial.

But what you're not looking at is the fact that you've eaten. Sugar. Eight servings of fruit in a. toast. In a very easy to consume format with almost no fiber, especially when we're talking about juice. Yeah. You have none of the fiber.

My eyes were really open to this. Well, two times. The first one was the, the, the, the, when Jamba Juice started sharing their macros. So pre, pre, pre early days, they didn't have their macros in a book where you can, you can, you can flip through it later on. They did that for years. I was eating the, the, the peanut butter mood with a scoop of protein. Oh, yeah.

That's the, that's the trainer. Yeah. Cool, 1800 calories. For 40 grams of protein You know And that was what was closing You was a 40 grams of protein Yeah so that was a big aha moment

Was that And then the juices And it actually Like I had bought a Jack La Lane juicer Oh my God, I had one too And it really opened my eyes On what a 16 ounce of pressed fruit was

Like you had to do like to fill up a glass Way more fruit than you eat. Like four or five apples. You know, I never eat five apples in a row. Never. And so I was like, oh my God, but you can easily just pound that glass. No problem.

And I thought, oh, my God, this is really what juices are is this compressed juice. And so when you get it in its raw form and you eat the skin and you get all the fiber. That's right. Like one apple is satisfying and totally okay. Pressing that through into a juice form is it fits like four or five apples. And it's like, now you're talking about a five, six hundred calorie drink that, where if you ate it, it would have been 120 calories of, of a food that's, you know, fulfilling because of the fiber and stuff that's inside of it.

Yeah, juice was for a while. Again, we're getting more hip to it today. But when we were growing up in the 90s as kids, even the early 2000s, but in the 90s as kids, juice was promoted and pushed as a health food so much so that kids didn't drink water. They drank juice. is still, this is not, this is still, this is still an issue. This is still an issue. Kids are still given a lot of juice early on.

Like, it's like a lot of my friends, their kids grew up on apple juice, grape juice, all the little dull, you know, ready to drink things that they, like, what you've done is you've extracted sugar bombs. Sugar bombs. Yeah, the sugar bombs. And what, and this is, this will piss some people off when I say this, but it's not, it's not, it's not much better than giving your kid a Coke. Like you think you think that would be so like terrible and egregious to put Coke in your

kid's bottle, but it's not that far of a stretch of a difference. I know people will hate that you said that. Oh, it's going to piss hell people off. Soda versus juice. There's a little, there's a little bit of a difference. I mean, if I was forced to pick one, I'd pick the juice. But from a caloric standpoint and sugar standpoint, yeah. They're pretty similar.

Yes. They're very, very similar. I had a, I know somebody who would put. who put apple juice and their kids sippy cup all the time. Yeah. And the kid's baby teeth rotted because of it, because of the juice that they continue to assume. One thing that you said, Justin, that kind of, you know, Adam and I started talking

right afterwards, what you said about the smoothie is how quickly the sugar hits your system because it's predigested. Yep. Like the chewing process and the breaking down process slows down how quickly that sugar will hit your system. A smoothie is taking a fruit and dramatically increasing its glycemic index. Yeah, I think people don't really

factor that in. It's just like that entire process of going through the digestive track, breaking it down, and then it releasing at an opportune time. So like you do actually get the benefit of the nutrients and not just hit complete blood sugar

you know, like hit immediately. Something to consider because it's just, it's such an immediate effect. Yeah, look at the, look at the impact. I'll use, I'll use a fruit that's actually well known for having less of an impact on blood sugar. That's actually one of the best fruits you can eat, blueberries. Yeah. You eat a bunch of blueberries. All berries. Versus turning them into a smoothie, liquefying them and drinking them. Watch the difference on your blood sugar level. It's also high on antioxidants, high on fiber, low on calorie. You used to be one of my favorite things to give to

clients, because it is such a, that's a great alternative to this is have a big, big old, big bowl, big bowl of blueberries, blackberries, strawberries, raspberries, all the berries is very fulfilling, very satisfying, high and fiber, low calorie, way better option. But turn them into a smoothie and you have the seven bowls of berries inside one smoothie. Yeah, and if you really wanted to top it off, you, you mix that in some Greek yogurt or cottage cheese, and now you've got yourself a high protein, high fiber, great high-odin-acid antioxidant snack. That's way better for you than a smoothier juice.

All right, this next health food is interesting to me because it is 100% the product of very smart, effective marketing. And marketing agencies are really good at changing our perception of a particular food to where we consider it to be something that it isn't. A good example of this is eggs. Now, everybody knows eggs are good for you now, but not that long ago, because of their cholesterol content, a whole egg was considered not a health food.

We were told to avoid whole eggs, all because of bad information. And so it completely changed our perception. All right. This next food is a food that was popularized by endurance athletes precisely because it is so energy dense and palatable that endurance athletes who needed to consume carbohydrates in a way that fueled their workouts

and needed something energy dense, like this was great. And so somehow we said this is a health food, and that's granola. Yeah. Granola is not a health food, everybody. Granola is a processed food, essentially. You are eating... Oats, nuts, mixed?

What is it all mixed together? Look up green. What is technically granola? It's oats and honey and sugar, and it's turned into a... Like, when you put granola topping, depending on the type of granola, you just added a bunch of... It was like chocolate chips in there somewhere. The ones I eat, anyway. But it's typically high calorie, high sugar.

But it's all got rolled oats. nuts, seeds, and it's sweetened with things like honey or maple syrup. It's typically, it's actually an energy-dense food. And it's also hyper-palatable. Like, try to eat an appropriate amount of granola, it ain't going to happen. No. It ain't going to happen. You know, I've done that before.

I bought a bag of gruel. I only use this for somebody I'm trying to really boost calories. Yeah, totally. Throw this on your yoga. Yeah. You throw it, like, somebody who struggles to push calories, I throw one or two ounces of granola on top of their Greek yogurt. And it just bumps a good two, three hundred calories. Totally.

So. Totally. All right. Next up, this one's fun because there was a period of time where this was considered the epitome. Yes. Of health food when actually it's not. Raw vegetables.

Yeah. Oh, boy. Uh-oh. Everybody's going to freak out. On this one. Yeah. First off, vegetables have some good health benefits. Typically high in fiber, not as nutrient dense as they're advertised as.

So people tend to think like, oh, I need a lot of nutrients. I should eat vegetables. They're actually not as nutrient dense. as they seem. Nutrient density would be like a steak or, you know, organ meat. Like so nutrient density, you get everything you need. Eating just vegetables and trying to hit all your nutrients is actually very difficult. Talk to any vegan.

It's a process. And also, when you look at the data, well, how much do you actually absorb to, like, through that process? Yeah, if you want to make vegetables less bioavailable. In other words, you want to make the nutrients available in the vegetable harder to absorb and harder to digest. and if you want to increase the odds that you're going to cause digestive distress and inflammation, what you do is you don't cook them.

Yep. You keep them raw. And somehow we've, people have believed that raw vegetables are somehow healthier. Well, isn't it because. Isn't it why this is, can be misleading is because in the raw state, they're higher in, in nutrients. Yes, some of them. And when you cook it, you, you, you, you degrade some of it. But the caveat is that when you eat it raw,

you can't digest all those nutrients. When you cook it down and you lose some of the nutrients, you absorb more, if not all the nutrients. That's where I think the confusion is. Yes. And the first time this hit me was as a young trainer, not too young. I was actually in my 20s at this point.

So I've been training for a little while. And I really was never into vegetables because who eats vegetables to build muscle, right? I didn't really care. But there was a period there where I was like, you know what? I'm going to include more vegetables in my diet.

So I used to have my, when I first opened my studio, it was in a different location, and next door was a grocery store. And so I'm like, you know what? I'm going to have some vegetables. So I went next door and I bought a bag of raw broccoli. Now, I'm one of those weird people that I like the taste of broccoli. I even like the way it is raw. Don't destroy me. So I ate a bag of raw broccoli.

Okay. Now, normally, you guys have seen me cook broccoli. I can eat a bowl of it. No problem. I ate a bag of raw broccoli. and I had the worst stomach pain and cramps. And it hurt my gut. It caused inflammation,

caused gastric distress. And it was all because it was raw. Because had I cooked it all, no problem. I could eat the whole thing. In fact, it helps my digestion when it's cooked. But raw will wreck you if you eat a lot of it.

You just can't eat as many vegetables. No. Cook your vegetables, everybody. You can eat a lot more and get more of the benefits. This last one's going to make people really angry. I was expecting, I'm expecting Adam to cook.

It actually makes me happy. Yeah, yeah. Pro chicken nugget guy. Yeah, these guys trying to make me eat this. So this next one is sushi. Yeah, you can get me on this one. Raw fish. Get out of here, guy.

Come on. Okay, let's talk about fish for some. Come on, hold on, hold on. Give me the parasite. Come on. Let's first use the correct terminology. What is it? Sashimi.

Okay, sashie is the... It's with rice. With rice. Okay. So let's talk about sashimi or any kind of raw fish, okay? First off, fish is generally healthy for you. So it's generally a good food. it's high in protein.

The ones that are high in fat have good fatty acid profile. They're nutrient dense. Nothing wrong with fish. We're addressing the raw factor here, yeah. Raw. And you guys, I looked up the data and it's not that good. So when I look up the data,

and that sounds like it's not that much, but when they do studies on sushi in America, and there are ways of handling it, and they're supposed to freeze it before to kill the parasites on stuff. But still, when they do these studies and they go around, you're looking at like three to five percent. of the time, they're finding some kind of parasite, which isn't much if you eat, you know,

you eat it once, but if you eat sushi every week, the odds that you're going to get a parasite actually climb to a pretty high place. And so that's the issue with raw fish, even with the good handle that stuff, by the way, do you guys know that wild fish without the handling process? If you just caught wild fish, there's a 30 to 50% chance you're going to get a parasite. Dang. So 30 to 50%. Now, because of the way. that they're ordered to handle it. So they're supposed to freeze it

and do this process that kills the parasites without cooking it. It goes down as low what studies will show like 3%. Well, grilling it like kills the parasite. Cooking fish kills it. Yeah, that's interesting. So I actually wouldn't have known that or would have guessed that

that it's even higher if you were to catch your own fish and do... You catch a high quality wild fish and you slice it up and you're going to eat it raw. There's like a 30 to 50% chance. There's going to be a parasite in there. Wow. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. Have you ever done that? No, I haven't, but I've thought about it. I've actually thought, oh, that I would thought... There's places that do that, right? They'll just catch it. I would thought, oh, that's the freshest way to get, you know, some...

But I didn't know that if that's a high... I mean, it's a 50-50 shot almost. That's why when I talk about parasites on the show, I say to people, like, because most people that live in modern societies, like, unless you have really big symptoms, you can live with parasites for a while and kind of have mild symptoms. And what they might look like is, wow, suddenly I have this intolerance. to this food. I used to be able to eat it now it bothers me. Or yeah, I get the occasional gastric issue or skin issue.

Or, you know, I get some more fatigue. Like things that are kind of vague that last for a while. And you don't know you've been living with a parasite for a while because you eat sushi and you've never done a parasite treatment, you know, your whole life. Because who does that in a modern society? I actually know two examples. Like immediately for me, it was like my sister-in-law was eating raw fish in the Gulf. and then actually got some kind of red algae thing with that, which basically, yeah.

So she got really messed up from that. Couldn't eat fish for like a couple years. Courtney, same thing. Like another kind of like, it seems like a freak thing, but then you start like seeing because of the raw fish, like she had some kind of bacteria that, you know, she got from that, which then, you know, affected all this rash and all these kinds of things. So I don't know. That was like too immediate for me.

I saw it like right away. I was like, I'm good. Well, I know for me, I had gut issues. If you were going to listen to the show for a long and a few years, you know this. I had gut issues on and off, on and off and sometimes better, sometimes worse. It was always just kind of the background. And it wasn't until I treated myself for parasites that they weren't fixed. It was either I would do this thing.

I would do that thing. It would be a little better. Sometimes it would be worse. And I had to avoid all these different foods. If I did, I'd get this really bad, you know, gut reaction or whatever. it wasn't until I did a parasite treatment. And so it was definitely, I definitely had a parasite. Now, where did I get it from?

Probably sushi. That's the most likely. I never went to a third world country. I didn't do anything like that. It was probably because, I don't know, at least, you know, five or six times a year, I go and have sushi. Grounding at a dump or anything? No, no.

What's just doing? So somebody who's eating it on a pretty regular or semi-regular basis, you would recommend doing like the organifies, like, the parasite cleanse at least once a Look, if you're listening to this right now and you've never done a parasite cleanse, you've got nothing to lose, do it anyway. It's a natural product. So there's two bottles that come with organifies parasite cleanse. One of them has the compounds that kill and or paralyze parasites.

Okay, so they'll kill and or paralyze them. And then the second bottle is a binder. The second bottle is a binder that binds to whatever is killed and pulls it out of your system. Once you run through a cycle of that, wait two weeks and then do it again because the eggs are very resilient. So you killed the parasites, but there's eggs left behind. Two weeks later, you got to do it again. So you get rid of what has just hatched before they lay eggs in your system. So funny you bring this up because Doug and I this last weekend, we're just planning our sushi date we're going to do with the girls where we make sushi at home.

So it was just this weekend. Yeah, it was. We were sitting down at dinner the four of us. us and talking about how we'll make a drive over. There's a place over it. Where is it? San Mateo. San Mateo.

San Mateo has the highest rated fresh, you know, sushi that you're shishimi that you can go pick up. And I was like talking to Doug about doing a drive over there and then make her, because he makes his, he does his at home. I haven't done mine at home yet. I want to do my own thing. You know, what I want to do too is one of my favorite things, ways to eat it is one of these restaurants I go to.

They actually bring it out on a block of, Salt. Actually, I think it's dry ice. Oh, dry ice. But they, and they have it glass over it and they smoke it. So I wonder if the smoking would help at all with like the curing or parasite process at all. You think that would, like if, because it's sitting in smoke like that, would that help? I doubt it because they're probably embedded inside the fish.

What you're likely to get from sushi isn't a live parasite, but an egg. Eggs are really hearty and resilient. And live parasite, I mean, you know, they do a good job of getting rid of the live kind of visible. This is gross sounding, but, you know, typically. But it's the eggs that can be in there sometimes that cause a problem. I thought you're going to say they wheeled out a person and you ate off of it. You never heard of that? What?

Why is it always sushi, too, by the way? They're like, like, remember that? These Hollywood parties, like with the super elite, like, whatever, celebrities. And they'd have like a, like a naked model. Yeah. And there'd be sushi, of all foods, sushi. It's just like models. models that are in there and then people

like go by and they eat off them like a buffet. And it's sushi. It's so weird. That is weird. There's something very demonic about this. It's like to bring these things up just to... Things you do when you have too much money. That's so. I can buy everything. What do I do now? Let's eat sushi off a naked body. That sounds like a plan.

Of all things. Nobody's going to do that. We'll pay him a hell of money. We'll do it. That's gross. Stupid. My brother sent this this morning. He sent this Instagram post and it was showing these pictures of all these celebrities what they used to look like and what they look like now

and so many celebrities are becoming so emaciated like ultra skinny and emaciated and he goes Sal is this is this is this GLP? And I said yep that's exactly what's happening. You have a bunch of celebrities who are using it to be able to be inorexic to get rid of the hunger

and to starve themselves. It's happening to a lot of these celebrities. I mean you're training no focus on yeah No. Yeah. No, it's, they're

protein or anything. No, it's crazy. And the pictures that they're showing like they don't look good, man. Very gone.

Like Kelly Osborne? Have you seen her? Yeah, like Ariana Grande. They don't look good. You know, it's crazy though how,

how distorted your view is. So, I mean, I know I've shared this, so I apologize for the audience. It's probably heard me say this a few times already,

but I remember when I went through it the first time and as I was just, you know, letting it the course happened. Yeah.

It wasn't until our pictures got back, did I see it in myself? So while I was going through it, I didn't feel like I looked that way. I blame us. It's our job as buddies. We should have just made funny.

Yeah, you didn't insult me. You know what it was? You know why? Because you guys see the cheeks. And you're like, hey, it looks good. He's losing those fat cheeks. No. So that's probably what we're going.

Just let him keep going. Let him lose all that muscle. It's been a handsome guy. for long enough. Yeah. So I think when you're when you're in it, you don't. The perception drift. Yeah, the perception drift is there.

But you didn't get to a place like there. No, no, no, no. Of course I didn't get. Oh, yeah, their way. But I get it. The fact that I experienced it even with my small. I mean, I lost 20 something pounds. That's a lot.

Yeah. And I know that more than half of it was muscle. So, I mean, that's a good amount of where, and this is where it's going to get dangerous are these people that are overweight and undermuscled, and they do it. Yeah. Like somebody who has a lot of extra muscle that it's built a lot of muscle in years, could lose it. Could lose it and get away with it. But we already have low muscle. Yeah. And you have high body fat. And then you lose a bunch of body fat, but a bunch of muscle comes off too. You become frail. You vary. I know. Yeah. So I mean, I'm definitely on the other side of this now.

I mean, early on, I argued with you that it was going to be net positive. But I'm not sure. I still, I think it's, I think we're definitely swinging in the more net thing. What's that, what's that term robbing Peter to pay Paul? Yeah. Yeah, it does. It does feel like that. So I was going to ask you, Adam, because we talked off air and I stopped the conversation. We're going to continue this on air.

What's wrong on my shoes? I can't even, you called yourself out like that. What's wrong with them? I mean, they're girls shoes. They are girl shoes. How are they girls shoes? Well, I didn't. First of all the size 12.

So let's see. I don't see no girls. There's some chicks have big feet. There are any size 12. There's some WMBA players that were 12. I'm looking at the pattern right now. But they're like black and like, well,

they're Michael Coors. So Michael Coors is a girl's brand? It is a girls brand. It is a girl's brand. I thought that was a good brand. Yeah. I thought I did. Honestly,

can I tell you the truth? I do. I want to know. I do want to know the truth. I, this is 100%. I'm a little sad right now. So first off,

I bought them on Amazon. And I think I typed in something like fancy sneakers. Oh, some fancy sneakers. Hey, this is why you can't trust the machines. So listen, I typed in something. I don't remember what I typed in like,

like, like, dress dressy sneaker or something like that, right? Fancy dressier something like that. And I got them and I wore them and I typically wear them to church. So when I go to church, I'll wear, you know, slacks and these and I'll go and whatever. And today I was going to put my shoes on. I said, you know, I'm going to put these on.

I bet on the fancy kicks. I bet Adam's going to think they're cool. That was the best part. I wish the audience could have caught the real moment when he shares the shoes with me and thinking that I'm going to go like, wow, dude, nice shoes. Like, I'm going to be like, no, dog, those are not it. Those are not it. And so the audience knows, too, this is a part of Sal.

It drives me crazy. Okay. All of us. This is the, that's the only part. This is nothing like this. There's a lot of parts. This is a lot of parts. This is the main part.

It drives me crazy about him. Is if he is the first person I call. If I have anything going on health related to myself, if I got family, stuff like that, I don't even waste my time trying to troubleshoot myself because I defer. I believe like, hey, he's better at this than I am. We're so close. he's a text away. I know he'll respond right away to me.

So, of course, I always, I defer right to him, right? Thanks, man. When it comes to something that is my specialty, or let's, not even my special. I'm not going to claim that. I just know a little bit more than you. In an area,

he never picks the phone up. He never calls and says he did. First of all, I don't really, so if it was like if I was buying a car or they're like a stereo, I do ask you stuff like that. That's for sure. I don't know about that.

That's for sure. I don't know about that. You were just car shopping. right now and you didn't run it by me. I just asked you right now. Remember we're off air. I was comparing the two. You told us what you were about to go get.

No, no, no, no. I said, we're looking at this. What do you think about this one? I was asking. Shut up. But shoes. But shoes, I don't even, I don't know. I just did it.

I didn't think about it, to be honest with you. Probably should have called you. But here's what probably would have happened. I'm just going to tell the audience. Let's go back in time. Okay. I'm going to buy some nicer shoes, some nicer sneakers. You would have recommended me getting some $1,000 a thousand dollar pair or something.

No, I would not. That's not true. Tell me the shoes. That's not... Well, I don't know. I would ask you more questions. Something nice that looks... Yeah, what do you want to wear?

To church. Nice sneakers. Yeah, yeah, I'd send you a link. Like, I would send you a link... We're gonna look it up right now, Sam, what you're gonna look it up. Huh? We're gonna look up... Don't go cheap either.

Tell me what you would say. Huh? Tell me exactly what you would say. Well, I want to know what you want to wear it with. Is what I, like, so like, just going to church... Slacks and a, like, a collared shirt to church or if I go out to dinner with my wife. So I'm going out to do my wife. I want like a sneaker, but nice looking

sneaker. I'm not looking for wood bottom shoe. You know what I'm talking about like dress shoes? Leather shoes. You know what I mean? Just for me real quick, put in, put in fancy sneakers because I want to see what I just want to see. I have a feeling you really Google this.

Michael Coors popped right up to the top right. Okay. Okay. Go down. Let me see if it's, I bet they're one of the top of the pay for the hour. I should put men into the air. Oh, yeah, yeah, put men's fancy sneakers and see what comes up. Let's see what happens, dude.

I mean, I don't see anything wrong with those. Those all look pretty good. All right, now tell me, tell me the name. Give me the brand and what you would work. I mean, like, I like a pair of Stan Smith. I think that are, like, really nice. All right, look up Stan Smith sneakers for men. Those are cheap.

Yeah, they are cheap. Are there really? Yeah, 70, 80 bucks. Really? Yeah. Dang, I messed up, didn't I? Yeah, so I mean, I don't, you, you could even tell me parameters. Okay, I don't always spend this much.

Oh, wow. And that is a real classy... Well, those are Adidas. Yeah, I know. Oh, Adidas is Stan Smith? Yeah, that's a style of Adidas. So those are based off of a famous tennis player. That's, that's, it's an old...

It's a retro style. What brand should I stay away from? Obviously, Michael Corr's is for girls. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah, definitely. What else am I supposed to stay away from? I mean, I don't know what comes ahead of, I don't study a lot of stay away from. I stay away.

I know what when I see one. My bad. I'm just said you'd leave from that one. But I mean, like, yeah. So, I mean, you can give me, uh, just like you. I mean, it's like you could give me parameters. You're like, if you went like, like, I don't want some like baller shoes that wear dressing, like then I'm going to push you like fair gamos or some of that.

But if you said, I just want a classy tennis shoe, there's a lot of, you know, even like Cole Hans is a, is a better brand than what you're doing. There's a lot, there's a lot of brands that are not crazy outrageous. You don't like those Gucci's right there? You ever see people? No, no. I see. I wouldn't.

And I wouldn't, and I wouldn't do that. Like, everyone thinks, like, I don't like Godi, like, shoes like that. So you chose a terrible brand that is Gotti. That's, like, the worst thing you could do. So I went, I went double whammy. Yeah, you went double whammy. Because you went, you went label all over, and it's not even a good label. So it's like, it's one thing if it's like, that's like, that's like a bad version of Louis Vuitton or Gucci's.

I hope Michael Corr's listening right now. I know, I'm insulted. I know, I didn't know they even had men's shoes. Really? Yeah, it's a chick, it's a chick brand. Really? Yeah. chickpe. I don't even know that. Yeah, they're known for their purses, their watches. Yeah, yeah, that's what girl...

So is this like a shoe that a girl would buy her boyfriend? I don't know. She's like, I like, Michael Coors? If she did, yeah, I don't know. Maybe that would happen, like, if a girl's, like, really into the brand and she saw those shoes. My wife said they look nice. Is she lying to me? I mean, she wants me to feel bad. At least they're solid black and you, the MK doesn't pop that loud. If they were, if they were, if they had, if they were light, lighter gray or white MK all over to where they were even more loud, then I would be like, that's really bad. But because you can't,

they almost look just solid black. I didn't know they were microcores till you made me look at them. And then I looked at them and I went, no, you didn't. Well, now, now, I,

listen, I already bought them. I got them a little bit. Yeah, I didn't even know they had much. I didn't even know they had, uh, they got more.

How much did I pay for them? Like wet seal shoes? Yeah. Wet. Yeah, how much do they sell for? Yeah, these are $99.

Oh, but you spent more money than I want to spend. You know, You know, it's from that. Man, I can't win anywhere. I have no arguments. Well, I mean, yeah, you should just, you should just. And they're not even that comfortable.

I hate to say it. Oh, yeah. Oh, man, you're not even winning there. Dude, nothing. You must have got new balance, bro. Shame on you for not picking the phone. I'm more flip-lops to work to work. I mean, hey, even your wife is good about, like, if she's doing, like,

furniture stuff, she says, she texts me, hey, what do you think? You know what I'm saying? She respects it, like, I like, I like that stuff. You're the only, you know, you know, the only person that she does that She does that with? Oh, really? Out of all of her girlfriends, you're the only one. She asked about furniture.

I've got that with several of Katrina's friends. We have that relationship. Yeah, because you got an eye for that kind of stuff. I just, I like it. I'm into it. I'm into it. I don't think by any way. I have zero eye for that.

Zero. Whenever my wife asks me, and I don't know why she does this, to be honest. I think she tells me it's because she wants me to be a part of it. But she'll ask me, like, what do you think about this chair? What do you think about this pillow thing? What if I set it up like this? I have no opinion. I have zero opinion.

I'm like, they both, I don't know. But you don't really care. They both look the same. And then she gets mad. She's like, you don't care though. So I care about the way all that stuff looks. And by the way,

I don't think any of me, I don't think I am really good. So what I, I've talked about with music or I, I just, I think it's really interesting when someone has a really cool talent. And I'm very impressed.

Nancy's an example of this, who's worked with us and is our designers of that. I'm so impressed when she can look at a room, my, Katrina's best friend, one of Christian's best friends, Kim's like this, too. She can see a house with just framed walls. And just figure it out. And, like, see the whole thing.

Yeah, the immediate. And I'm fascinated by that. I'm like, that is, I can't do that. I can't go walk in a room and be like, see it all. So I'm interested enough to pay attention. Got it. And so that's all you hear. Sometimes.

I don't want anyone to think that I'm trying to claim. Sometimes I'll give an opinion, though. So I'll tell my wife, like, yeah, because I'm trying to. Like, I'm really trying to. I'll give her opinion. Like, yeah, I think maybe we should. She's like, no, let's not do that. I don't know why am I here.

You know that this was, this was a lot of contention in my relationship with Katrina when we first got together. Well, because she doesn't care. She, well, she claims that she kind of does, but I care more and I'm into it more. And that it's kind of a role reversal in a marriage and a relationship.

So, you know, there would be like this, she would, hey, what do you think of this or decorate, whatever. And I'm like,

no, that looks terrible that way. And then it would cause issues. She wants me to concede and just be like, it looks good then. So it's like I always not have, not now. We're way further in our relationship now, but early on, I'd be like, what do you want me to, what do you want for me right now? Do you want my honest opinion or just tell you it looks great when I disagree or I think, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, so for a while there, we used to put heads that.

She'd be like, I can dress myself and I can do all the other than I'm like, okay. Oh, what you're talking about her clothes? Everything. All that stuff. Like, when you see, when you see her come in like that, that's, I'm shocked. for her. I'm the one who shops all her stuff. You know why I know that? Because I didn't know that. I didn't know that. You bought clothes for it and all the stuff until it wasn't that long ago. We had a meeting. Katrina came in.

I'm like, hey, I like that. I like that. Adam made a face. Like, hmm, told you. You're like, I bought that and I made her wear it and she didn't like it. But I told you. Like, what? What? You're the one that I picked it out? She claims, too, because I'm terrible. I'm terrible. This is like my thing that I'm always working on as a husband to be better. at complimenting and telling her how beautiful she looks and stuff like that. I can't win either because like sometimes she'll come down and it's like she's dressed from top to bottom

every single thing that I've pieced together and I'm like, man, you look really good. She gives you yourself a complimenting yourself. I can't win dude. I can't even practice being better husband here because if I do it and you're wearing something that I piece together then I'm really only complimenting myself. I'm like, I can't win here.

You know what I want to hear about because there's been a note up here for the last three days that Justin refuses to bring up. I don't know why. Which one? It says Orlo Golden Shower. I want to know what that means. Because it's very...

It sounds like, what's going on? Yeah, so, I mean, you've heard my saga with that dog. It's been, yeah. The dog you haven't lost yet? Yes, the one that's still there. You haven't dropped off. He's still alive. And, yeah, he's doing well.

He looks healthy. He's going to live at 20. Yeah. He's going to outlive everything. It's just the irony of all of that. But, like, so I was taking him out, you know, to before bed and like taking him out to go do his business. It's dark.

And I have to have him on leash because I just don't trust him anymore. He's taken off a few times. Like we have a lot of fruit that's down. And so he, he's just been crazy about he just goes and eats and eats. And he's just like food crazy. Like he just can't help himself. And so I just was tired of it. And so I'll take him out on leash.

And so I have him out on leash. And, you know, and he's out there a while. doing his thing. I'm like, oh, where I'm going to start peeing. And so I'm out there, and I'm just kind of doing my thing. And it's, it's pretty dark, but, like, it has one of those extendable leashes that it goes really far, like here to the door. Yeah. And so, I mean, it's plenty of lead, you know, and I'm just, you know, look at the stars, doing my thing, love it. You know, I love peeing outside. It's great. Uh, every guy likes that. Yeah, it's the best. It is. Dude. And so all of a sudden, he gets this wild hair runs right at me, literally, like, runs

right, I pee all over his back. Oh, my God. All the way on his hand. That's how stupid those dogs are. All the way down. It's how stupid they are. I was like, what are you doing?

Literally. Like seriously. And then he just, he just looks at me and like, ooh. And I take him inside. And I, because it was dark. I didn't really, I'm like,

oh, maybe he like went under and it didn't get him. Nope. All the way down like a strike. I'm just like, wash it off. You know what? That's payback.

You know? For all those times, dude. Is it, though, because you're the one who ends up having to clean the damn thing? You know what I'm saying? It's like still backfires on you. He's the same dog, yeah. It is. He's the same dog that when you first got him.

Shit in his shoe. Right as he's looking at you. He's pooping in his shoe. The fact that you haven't lost him is crazy to me. Oh, I tried. He keeps coming back. What is it about that? And I think it's a man thing.

I haven't asked any of my female friends or my wife if she likes to pee outside. I don't think so. That's a different experience. But they gotta get everything out. They got to, like, squat. It's like a whole. So I'll do this. I remember looking at the show.

And Katrina will make fun of them. You looked it up. What do you mean? Okay, I bet there's a thing, right? Yeah. Okay. Machinous. It's this little attachment, like, so they...

I don't think that's what you thought you were going to say. What did you say? That is not what? Where did you go with the question? Like, it's a little funnel. They have a piece. Oh, for girl. I'm like, okay, that's what you're saying they have.

That's what I'm talking about is the girl peeing outside. I thought you looked up was the reason why men do that. Because Katrina will call me out on this. And I'm like, I don't know what it is, but I want to. Where I will come downstairs. Okay, so I have a bathroom, obviously in my room. I'll go out of my room downstairs, pass my other bathroom outside to stand outside and just pee. Yeah.

I will do that. I do that a lot. It's actually. It's for sure. There's something. And especially when it's really late at night. It's 11 o'clock at 10, 11 o'clock at night. And I'm out there and I'm standing ass naked, stars, dark.

And just... It's primal. What is that? It's rooting you back to, like, you're an animal at the end of the day. Everybody forgets you're an animal. You're an animal. And it's weird. It's, I don't get it.

It's like, you know, territorial for, for, like, dogs and all that. It's not like that, but it's just... Nobody taught me that. It's a feeling. That wasn't a learned behavior that I saw. from somebody else. Very manly. I don't do it to show,

it's in the dark by myself, nobody knows. You know what I'm saying? So there's not any, there's nothing else I can connect to it. But yet I have this draw on this pool to do it. So much so that my wife's like, what are you doing? Yeah.

Like, why would you walk past two bathrooms? Dude, I go do that and I'm like, I don't know what it is. There's something about standing out there in the mood. Well, little boys do it all the time. Like, we were camp, when we were camping this past weekend, I think that's a brought back for me. When we were camping this past weekend, my nephew,

my brother's sons are just, these kids are on, man, I swear they had run on nuclear power. They're riding their bikes in circles, this, like, camping circle or whatever, and running and stuff. And my nephew stops his, he's on a bike, he stops it, tips the bike down, pulls his pants all the way down and just, in front of everybody just takes a piss. Pulls his pants up and goes. And we're like, cool. All right. All right. Now, I think that's more to do.

The kid thing is more to do with you, they have to go. They want to relieve themselves. They don't know better of, like, social norms or not. And they just do it, right? Like, so why us? Like, why a grown man want to do that still? I get why the kid does it. Because it's like you're giving the system the middle finger.

Yeah. Really? Yeah, it's like, it's a rebellious thing. It is. It's like, I'll do what I want right here. I bet you there's an answer for this. Why do men? Yeah, look that up.

Okay, I will search. Why do you like to pee? I wonder why he wasn't searching already. I looked at the women's. Well, that came up fast. You have a bunch of same pages. Yeah, just there's... Well, I've heard the funnel doesn't really work.

work well. So. P outside for practical convenience, water conservation, and a simple sense of freedom. Because of the, I love this obvious answers. Because of the anatomical design, men can stand and relieve themselves quickly without needing to undress or find a clean seat. The simple sense of freedom makes sense to me. Because you know what? I didn't, I haven't done this in, well, I did it the other house too. I'm trying to think what houses I haven't done it in. Like, and there's, there's, there's something about having the space and being like, like, where you're at in country, where it's like, there's, it's private. Yeah, it's mine. I have all this room. Yeah, I'm very private. So it makes sense. Yeah, like, I wouldn't go do that if my neighbor is like staring right at me while

I do it. I'm in like an apartment complex. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. When I live, when I live, that's the last time I, what didn't do it? When I lived in my town home, I didn't go out there do that. It is, it is kind of a flex, though. Remember when Paul Chegg did it to us? Yeah. We went, people who don't know Paul Chek, he's like the Godfather won us. The first time we meet him. We go up to interview him. I forgot. That was like one of the first things he did. We never met him. Didn't know the guy. I did it. We didn't pull it out right then and there. Right after? No. No, I don't think so. No. Maybe we were all pretend. Maybe it took a minute. Subliminally. I'm right here with you. Like, you were like, oh, I like this guy. No. Remember. Maybe that's what you remember. Maybe that's what it was. This year, it's like, oh, yeah, I would do that. It was within the, you guys remember,

within the first five minutes of meeting? What he had done, he had given, he was giving us a tour of the house. We go outside. We go outside. While he's talking to us. Yeah, he was showing us his nuclear-charged water. What do you call it, your ion-charged water? Ions and, he'd something weird.

Positively charged water. So he had, he had this. It's living water, right? Yeah, you had this water that he would charge outside. And he was showing us that. And, like, mid-sentence, he just turned. turns to the facing out to the trees in the valley and just pulls his junk out and starts peeing. And all of us acting two feet behind him. And he's still talking to us. Yeah.

As he's doing. And we're all act. And all of us were just like, we're just going to pretend like this isn't happening. That makes sense. But he immediately established. I think what he did establishing dominance quickly. We're like, he's my house. Totally. It's funny when you think about that. We've told the story about Ben Greenfield the first time handing us, you know, bales of hay. He guys carry this for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What is happening right now, dude. We don't do that to anybody when they come here, right? No.

We should have some weird ritual. Well, we used to get them high. I wasn't going to bring it up, Adam. I guess we did have a star own version. This was our old school. That was our old school. We passed him a joint. We don't do that anymore.

It's been a long time, everybody. We've been a long time, really long times. You remember our friend of ours? He came on? Oh, he got real time. It was like year two or three and he came in and he had too much. We had a few people like that. Yeah, and they were weird during the interview.

Stupid. So done. Anyway, I'm going to change directions here. I want to talk about our sponsor, troscriptions. So I was looking up data on their tromune supplement. I haven't tried that one yet. Okay. So the main ingredient is cortisepin, which is the active ingredient in cortisps.

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And then also, you take it before you go to bed. It increases REM stage. pretty reliably. So all that's cool. I want to hear from you because one of my, when I looked back to all the things that you've had me do with supplements, and so one of the best things I took from you was I was never really good about when I got sick, like getting right on.

I'm already bad at taking supplements and doing that thing like that. And I noticed a huge difference when you got me to stack a few things. And it was like elderberry. It was glutathione. Yes. And it was. so I'm missing some zinc lozenges. So those three things, immediately if I started to feel something coming on,

I started to get really good about, okay, Salas, I'd take all these things, and I would start taking all those things multiple times a day. And if it didn't completely keep me from getting sick, it would probably, I'd say 50% of what it would normally feel like. And I'd been sick enough times to feel pretty confident about measuring what that look like. So if I were to add this to that stack, so how would you do it? Like, where, like, just saying thing early on and it would just add right to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You want to use it when you're starting to feel sick. Yeah. Or if you're in an environment where you're going to be exposed. So let's say your kids get sick. Okay. Like, I don't want to catch this. I would start using. Which is the same with those other things too.

That's right. Right. So literally the same way I was kind of. I'm doing it right now. My daughter got sick. My son started getting it. Yeah. So I'm using cortisepin and I'm doing the zinc lozenges as a combination.

And I started to feel like my throat was getting it a little bit. And then it went away. It's been that with the glutathione and that has been like a game changer for me to stack all that stuff. So I've never tried this. And for that reason, I could see myself using that consistently. No, it's good. I got to tell you guys about a DM thread I got this morning, which I got, you know, I should have just ignored it. But I got into it.

Is this why you were angry this morning? Yeah, I got pissed off because, okay, so we did an episode recently where we talked about, and we did this on an episode. but I also did a post about it. That being, and I used the language, the language I used was on purpose, right? It's supposed to be controversial because it gets people drawn in, but there's true to it, right?

I said, being fat and fit is better than being skinny and weak. And I said, it's better for longevity, it's better for health, all that stuff. Well, this guy gets on, some fitness guy. This is not true. Where's the data? I was like, oh, God, bro.

And I'm like, I got upset. I got irritated because I'm like, you know, you're so lazy. It takes you 30, You can't look it up. Look it up. Find the data. So we're going back and forth and I'm like,

you just want us a fight. So I said, all right, here's the data. So I sent him all the studies. And of course, he's still kind of going back and forth. That can't be true because whatever I said. It's true. Being frail is worse for longevity than being overweight and fit. Fitness.

Now, first of all, being overweight has its own risk factors always. But fitness, V-O-2 max, strength, like overall fitness, is remarkably protected. protected. It's remarkably protective. Like, and again, if you compare the two being overweight and fit, having good V-O-2 max, good strength, like you can actually move

and do all those things, you have better longevity metrics than somebody who's underweight and unfit. That's just the fact. Underweight and unfit has terrible longevity. It's not as bad as obese and unfit, but it's pretty damn bad. If you're really frail, it's actually worse things

you could possibly be. So anyway, it's just annoying. And by the way, it's always the fitness people that get pissed off at this stuff. And I think it's because it challenges their own thing. Like, no, you have to be you have to have a six pack. You have to be lean. It's like, no, dude, there's some truth here. There's some truth here. Just look up the data.

It's so hard. I stay away from our stuff as much as I can these days. It's like, I feel like the social media game is so annoying. And somebody who's going to comment in there is almost always looking for controversy. Yeah. And they just want to go back. It's literally like, yeah, hey, I need attention.

Well, you know what it is? It's like, and I'm guilty of this too. It's like, it's the mood I'm currently in. Totally. And it's just, you crossed me at the wrong time. Like, I'm, so I'm in the mood to fight. I didn't want, you know what I'm saying? It's like, you decided to send me something stupid in my DM.

I told me it was lazy and what I say? Lazy and you're full of pride and you're lazy. Go look it up yourself. I said, dude. Such a bad. What am I doing, dude? Yeah. I mean, it's like I said.

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How are you? Good. How are we helping you? Nice to meet you all. Yeah, same. First off, I want to say, thanks for all your information. I actually found you guys through

Sal was on Max Lugavir's podcast like a few years ago. So that's how I kind of came to y'all. We love Max. But, yeah. I'll just read my question. I'm a 43-year-old wife, mom, and I'm a full-time nurse. Currently, I'm 5-8, 150 pounds.

In January of 23, I got fed up with the roller coaster game of losing and gaining the same 70 pounds over and over again for my whole life. So I had a gastric sleeve. Um, this changed everything for me. I started lifting at six weeks post-stop surgery and I kind of never looked back. Um, I lost 95 pounds and actually I just had like my skin removal surgery in January of 26. So I'm like seven months post-stop of that. Um, at this time, at that time, I think I accidentally like did a shortcut, you know, right after surgery because I really wasn't eating anything that wasn't healthy that they were trying to give me. But I've been trying to build ever since. I gained probably 10 pounds since surgery, but my clothes fit better. In my original email, I said I have a Dexas scheduled, but I actually had one a couple weeks ago, and I have those results, which were kind of not great. But I'm pretty much back to lifting like I was pre-surgery, minus I can't do anything core-focused.

My question is more related towards muscle growth. I have always been heavier in my legs and my glutes, and I'm at a point now where I don't want my bottom half to get any larger, but I still want to build muscle. Is there any way to do that, get stronger in your legs without actually, like, building larger? I train usually using the traditional approach, like two up or two lower, which I'm really interested in your guys' program, so I'm almost about to purchase that one, I think.

I also note that I had ovarian cancer in my 20s, so my hormone profile, I don't have any estrogen. I'm like just regular testosterone. So I'm kind of different than that aspect for my age. I hit my protein of 150 grams a day, but don't really know how many calories I get. I'm not a tracker. I meal prep almost all my meals and get most of that in with my gastric sleeve. my dexas I had one back in October before surgery and I just had another one to like compare but my body fat percentage went up from like 27 to 31 it said but I look leaner so I don't know

if like the the pounds that I've gained are all like fat or if I just haven't recomped it yet because I'm so soon off post-op I guess and then I guess according to the dexa like Like, all of the fat gain it says has been in my bluts and legs. So I guess maybe my initial question is shifted to what's the best way to maybe recomp my lower body? Okay. Since that's kind of where I'm lagging. All right, good question. So I'm assuming you're not on estrogen or progesterone because of the ovarian cancer?

I'm not. Okay. I took it for about 15 years and then I haven't had it for a while. Okay. So here's what might have happened because you had a dexia before your skin removal surgery and then you had a dexia done after, correct? Yes. Okay. So when you remove skin, this, so skin may register on a dexa as lean body mass. So lean body mass on a dexa or on a body fat test typically refers to all non-fat mass. I'm not quite sure about that, but I'd look

into it. Now to answer your question about, in other words, if you lose weight on the scale and it's not fat mass, then your body fat percentage of your total body weight would go up. Yeah. So if the Dexa is registering skin as non-fat mass and you lost, let's say, you know, five pounds of that, I don't know how much skin they removed, then that could be contributing to the higher body fat percentage. As far as getting stronger without building muscle, strength is so strongly correlated to muscle gain that that's very difficult. It's very difficult to get stronger without building more muscle. Now, there are ways to do it, but you tend to get more muscle growth anyway. And the ways you do is really training your central nervous system. You're getting

better at exercises. You're practicing them often. But that almost always also results in more muscle. The typical prescription for someone like you who's like, look, I want to build more muscle, but I don't want to build more in my lower body, is to just reduce the volume of training for your lower body. So if you did, you know, two days up or two days lower, it would look more like two days up or one day lower. And you would just do that for a long time. Okay. Does that make sense? Okay. Stephanie, have you considered... So as far as program, yeah. Have you considered hiring a coach or a trainer to take you through this? I haven't. Um, I really, I really just haven't. No. I thought about it, but I just haven't because I've done some.

well, like on my own through the whole thing. So I kind of just listen to you guys and like some, a couple other podcasts and kind of been doing my own thing. So I'm sure that especially nutrition wise, it probably would be a good idea. It would be, it would be extremely, it would be extremely valuable, especially hearing where you're at with like what you're trying to do with your legs, while you're also trying to build muscle while we want to lean out. Building, something nutritionally for you and keeping you focused on the goal. And a lot of times we can get in our head through that process because what it would look like for you would be a reverse diet of building muscle. Now that's the easy prescription to me just telling you, but following that

is really difficult because what's probably going to happen in that process is you might see your genes get tighter. And that's going to mess with your head and go like, oh God, I don't want this. I don't want bigger legs. But temporarily, when we build muscle and we're in a reverse diet, you may see that temporarily, but that's what's going to be necessary to then lean them out and get the look that maybe you want to look. And so the coaching piece isn't just the helping steer you through the right thing to do nutritionally. It's also keeping you on track that, hey, Steph, you're doing good. Actually, I want you right where you're at. And you're going like, I don't know, Adam, I feel like this and I see this.

And I'm like, trust me, I've been doing this for a long time. This is what we want to do. And I know what you want. I'm going to get you there, but I need you to trust me through that process. and because that's difficult, you know, to do, because you start to play mind games and you get scared of like increasing in calories or you see the scale go up a couple pounds,

that's where the coach is really going to come through is to help you go through that process. Once you see it all the way through, then this light bulb goes off for clients. They see it and they know like, man, I would have never got through that phase of trusting the process through that reverse diet to get me to where I wanted to be

because I know I would have got in my own way. So when I hear you talking about, your goals and where you're currently at, that comes to mind for me. And I can't tell you how valuable of having somebody take you through that process would be for you. And just to add to that, Stephanie, what they would do through that process is modify as they went along. So the general prescription for you is less volume for your lower body and, you know, the same or more volume for your upper body. That's what your training would look like and a reverse diet. Now, what the coach is going to do is you're going to adjust it along the way.

So as you're exercising, as you're working out, they would adjust the exercises. They could adjust the rep ranges. They could change the technique and the form. And then with the reverse diet, they could speed up, slow down, back off, based off of how you feel and the kind of results that you're starting to see as you go through the process. And just, you know, people's bodies are different and our psyche is different. And so those adjustments along the way, along with what Adam is saying, make a really big difference. But on the surface, you're going to do a reverse. diverse diet to build.

Got you. So you have to because we're trying to build for your upper body, we're trying to sculpt. And that's going to lead to a very effective cut later on is what's going to look like. And then again, just general advice-wise, you know, maps up or lower will be a good program for you, but you would eliminate one of the lower body days. So you would go, it would be upper, two days, lower one day.

And then you would walk as your activity and make sure you get your steps in type of deal. Okay. okay um i did track randomly my calories for a couple days um i try not to track because it kind of throws me back into the the yo-yo dieting game like for my whole life but i did do it a couple days and one day i had like 2,300 and then the other day was like 1,700 i would say on average i'm probably like in the 2000 range. Just that. I actually take a couple.

I actually take a couple doses of like essential amino acids most days because if I don't hit my protein. Just because it's hard to eat so much food after having a sleeve, I really can only eat like a cup and a half of food at a time. So I'm eating like all day long. Yeah. Which is crazy because before that I was like trying to not eat, you know? So it is a big.

mind game. It is. And, you know. But calorie-wise, like... Yeah, well, through that process... Just how much would you think? Well, let me, let me answer that. So... It's okay. I'm on a delay. Yeah, no worries, no worries. So to answer that, tracking for two days is not going to give us a good average. Typically, you would need to track for a week or two to give us a good idea. Your estimate, I guarantee you, is off. And I only know this through experience. My estimates are all when I try to estimate. It's just the way it is. And to be in the 2000s, well, that gives us like 500 calories up or down. We don't know. And so we would want some accurate data and then we can move back and start. And by the way, we can reverse diet you without necessarily having to continue tracking. A reverse diet can look like adding an

ounce or two of meat per, you know, per meal. It can look like adding a shake. This is what the coach would kind of work with you through. But if we don't know, we don't have a good idea of what you're averages, then reverse dieting is going to be a little bit difficult. And the two days that you measured, you already had a swing of about 400 calories. And so that's what it's kind of look like. It's going to, it typically looks like that when people start to track is there's days that are up and down throughout. And what we do is we find the average and then we start from there.

And then based off your feedback, we adjust along the way. Does that make sense? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So that's the basic advice. Okay. Well, you've given me a place to start for sure.

Do you want to speak to a coach just to see what it looks like? Because I could have someone call you. Otherwise, you could take what we said and try running with it. Yeah, I'll talk to a coach. Okay. I'll have somebody call you. And then regardless, we're going to send you maps up or lower. So you'll have that program.

Okay. Thanks so much. All right, Stephanie. You got it. Thank you. I really hope she doesn't. That's such a difficult place to be to try and figure that out on your own. Yes.

And my confidence, when I'm recommending, what I just did to somebody. She would benefit so much from my coach. My confidence in them being able to really do it properly on their own is not hot. No, no way, dude. Come on. There's so many. Just look at the swing that she's been saying.

There's the, the tracking is going to be an issue right away. Okay. So that, the number we have to start with isn't even accurate. We're going to have to fix that and figure that out. We need to reverse diet and build muscle, probably been under eating protein. That'll be really uncomfortable for her. We, uh, we don't want our legs to grow anymore, but we need to reverse diet and build muscle, that's going to be challenging your shit.

Yep. Okay, we can only eat a cup of food at a time. That's going to be, like, there are so many challenges here through this process, which again, this is, I mean. You're not even mentioning the fact that through this whole thing, she's going to, she's going to question it. Oh, yeah. Every week, uh, she's going to question or want to correct course, um, because of the,

the mind games of reverse dieting and that struggle and how you, like, and the fluctuations. One day of holding a little extra water, you know, One day of poor sleep and then inflammation. Or even having to gain weight first before you can really bring it. Yeah. This is tough to try and figure this out on your own. I really hope that she makes the investment to have a coach take her through it. Because if she does, it'll be life-changing.

And it is an investment, but I think it'll be one of the best things she ever did. Our next caller is Fabian from Florida. What's up, dude? How are you doing, Fabian? Hey, how you all doing, man? Good, good. How can we help you? Well, all right.

So first off, as everybody else says, thank you so much for everything you guys to do. I've been listening to you guys. I'd say since the beginning. I mean, I've had your program for, I'll say it was 2016. So it's been through. Dang. Early.

Yeah. That's awesome. Thanks, man. Yeah, it's definitely been a journey for all of us. But, yeah, I mean, I've had the RGB bundle. I want to say since, like, 2016. And, I mean, I've worked out for the past 20 years. never really had an injury. I just wanted to take it to the next level and heard everything

you guys were that you guys were saying and I wanted to test the results. And it works. So thank you again. But so recently I actually did have my first injury probably it was about a month ago. It was around June 27, 28. I was doing light squats. I was in the middle of math aesthetics. so I was in the mid-rep range, nothing big. But then in this case, I had been traveling. So I was driving for about four hours, stopped. And I usually stop in the middle of that to kind of just move around or do something. There's a gym nearby, stopped by, just some quick mobility things, and then got under the bar.

And I only had to play it on each side, so it wasn't much. And I was only doing about ASS, just something to get the blood flowing. at the bottom of the about the sometime in the second set I felt like like two places in my upper lumbar

lower thoracic kind of felt like a like a pinch and I was like all right well we're done for now when I hung the weights back up to a little bit more mobility I had about four hours

left in my drive by the time I got to the end of it it was excruciating pain I could barely sit down and I was you know holding on to anything I could to alleviate some some weight

and And so for about the next week, I couldn't even stand up straight after that. It was like if I was sitting, particularly if I was sitting down for a while, I went to stand up and then I just couldn't fully, fully stand up. And then by the time I got home after work, I was basically laying prone on the floor, trying to alleviate all the pressure on the discs and everything. And it worked, putting ice packs and everything on it. And then started doing Maps Prime about a week after that.

and then kind of worked through all the exercises, windmills in particular, and the waiter's bowel gave me issue. And it felt like it was like right there at the tailbone. So probably maybe around the, and Sal, you'd probably have a better idea, but I'm thinking maybe around the SOAS or the Piroformis, kind of in that section,

because once the pain alleviated in the discs, that's where I started feeling tension, and that's where it kind of felt like I was getting hung up in those exercises. but I went to my doctor about a week after that and then he said well likely you've probably got like a slipped or a bulging disc and you're probably pinching a nerve but I wouldn't recommend pushing it with with any weight like anytime in the near term because typically whenever this happens it'll happen again within the next six months to about a year so I was like all right well no squats or dead lifts or anything heavy for about the next year I'll go easy on it and so I've been just to do so I've been just to doing more with prime. I started doing, like,

as long as I'm doing anything unilateral, I can load it up. I've been able to do lunges. I'm not going terribly heavy with it. Kind of saying in the higher rep range, about 15, 12 to 15 reps. And then I started doing get-ups.

I can actually do a windmill press now. So it's, I'm improving a lot. It's just long-term sitting. If I sit for several hours, it tends to act up again. Like I feel pain, but mild pain, but I can still function to move. I just feel it.

I know it's there. But my question is, I guess at this point, I have the MAPs, RGB bundle, I have power lifts, I have Strong, and I have Prime. So what I'm kind of thinking is go from Prime to Maps performance maybe, and then kind of stick with that for a little bit and modify it so that I can. can do unilateral exercise. That tends to give me the least pain or problem. But I don't know, I wanted to get your opinion on it. Like, how do I get back to being able to do heavy squats and heavy deadlifts? Yeah, you're doing good, by the way. A lot of good choices, bro. You're doing really good.

Yeah, you're smart to be careful. You didn't have an imaging, right? This was just a wreck. This was just the advice or the, okay, because we don't know exactly what's going on. Sounds like it could be what your doctor said. I would put you in map symmetry. I would avoid the last phase, and I'd run that two or three times, and then go to Maps performance. Definitely.

Okay. Yeah. And just get, you're fine. Map symmetry, unilateral phases, stick there, avoid the last phase, do it maybe two, three rounds, go to Mass Performance. I think if you're smart

and you're not going crazy in the gym, that'll take care of the problem. I don't, my opinion, we have no idea, right? but you probably already had a mild bulging disc because of the way you described, you know, the fact that you had lightweight on the bar for you

and that you were sitting for a long time, you probably did. Just aggravated it. Aggravated it and you did hit a nerve. And so what we're going to try. By the way, the reason why your tailbone hurts, it is connected to your lower thoracic upper lumbar. So when you look at the spine,

when one area, when your body, feels like one area is unstable. The rest of the spine kind of has to move more or differently to compensate. So, for example, when people get a fused spine, they tend to get problems later on in the, especially in the

disc that surround the fused area. So it's all connected. But symmetry, and then go to performance. But I would run symmetry, skip the last phase for like two rounds, at least before going into performance. By the way, that whole time you're going to build muscle. That whole time you're going to do

Great. Don't worry about that. I think that's sort of the concern, right? It's like you want to get back to lift and heavy, but this is going to build you up and get you a lot more stability and security to build upon. So, you know, you just have to reinforce these joints and really like pay attention to hips and core strength to build you back up. Overall, though, I just want to point out, I mean, considering this isn't your background, this is pretty good job, dude, managing that. I mean, obviously you've been listening for a long time. It's so cool. Yeah, yeah, cool to see you made a lot of the right decisions. And Map Symmetry is the program for you.

So, and you already, obviously you unlock that, right, that the unilateral work is, it feels good. And that's probably where you should stay for a while. And by the way, if you go into performance and you start to feel a little, you know, awkward or you feel the, feel the pinched nerve or anything like that again, nothing keeps you for, I mean, running a unilateral program for a long time is not a bad thing. I mean, you can still build muscle, be strong, be great. for you. So you don't have to rush. I know we want to be able to deadlift a bunch of weight and do all those things, but you can still be very strong, very fit doing a lot of unilateral work. So there's nothing wrong with hanging out there until you feel really, really good. And also just keeping in mind, too, things that, like if you go through spurts where you are sitting

in a car for a very long time and sedentary or doing stuff like that, like that's more than likely going to set you up to potentially aggravate it. And so really being mindful of like the period of time and your life and what you've got going on. And those are the days you definitely want to be. Interrupt it if you can as much as possible. Yeah, just to add to what Adam said, the things that will increase your risk of injury the most are things that affect the central nervous system.

So lack of sleep, stress, you know, you go through a really stressful period of your life and then you want to go to the gym and just hammer it, like high risk of injury, and also being in a fixed position for long periods of time. So all those things. So if you're ever in those situations, you want to be really mindful of how you work out, especially if you're going to work out in the middle of that stuff.

Okay. So even like periodically adjusting the seat. So I do usually make an effort to go like no more than two hours before I make a stop and move on. But in that case, I was just trying to hurry up. I was driving all the way from like Georgia's back down to Florida. Yeah. And an eight hour trip plus like eight, I want to say eight and a half. it depends on traffic.

But yeah, okay. So just be mindful of the time sitting and fixed positions. 100%. We'll send you symmetry, so you got it. All right. Thank you guys. Thank you guys so much. You got it, man.

Great job, dude. And kind of a follow-up question. I know that was kind of more, I guess, maybe in Sal and Justin's Willhouse. Maybe something for Adam or Doug, depending on who does your finances. And this may be a... So I also recently started up a like a... sole proprietorship. And right now I'm getting my, my taxes. I guess I filed it annually, but then I'm also getting notices quarterly. And I mean, you know, who, you know, what's a little

tax fraud? But I'm really trying to not get all the penalties and crap with it. So what is, is there a way to where I can just not do that quarterly and just do it all with my annual return? Or is there, and I don't know whether or not this is something that can necessarily. It depends on how much you've been making from the prior year, right? So if you made a good income, the prior year doing that, They're going to want quarterlies from you. And it's always the estimated quarterlies are going to be whatever you paid last year. So let's just say hypothetically, you have this side business. It made $100,000.

And so this year they want, you know, $25,000. And they want that divided by four quarters. So that you're going to want to send every quarter you want to send that estimated amount to keep yourself from getting penalties. And by the way, I played this game for a while because I'm really stingy when it goes to giving the IRS. And I'm like, I'll just pay it all. the end and they, those penalties, they, they come up. Now, when it's not a big amount of money, so when it's relatively small, the penalties are relatively small.

But if you start owning the IRS a decent amount of money, they want it on a quarterly basis or they, because it's a percentage of what you owe, that could get up there pretty fast. Like I said, if it's under 100 grand divided by four, it's not going to be huge penalties, but you start getting up there, those penalties will start to climb. You also, we also want to, depending on the amount, you're making, you may want to look into restructuring your business as well. However, I'm going to suggest you.

Well, so you're as a sole proprietor right now. Right. And so if you want to, and again, I'm going to put a caveat out there. I am not a tax professional. I'm just going to suggest though you do work with one and look at restructuring your business because there can be some tax savings by having a different entity form and, for example, having a tax as an S corporation. okay so anyway that's almost all i'm gonna say because you know i'm not a pro here so uh yeah take it for what it's worth or you can have your your clients just pay you cash now that's really bad advice this is why you didn't ask you so a little tax evasion is never an acceptable thing so just so you know they're they're stingy though bro they'll come out they'll come after

you and they're a pain in the ass but uh depending on what you paid last year total in taxes, divide that by four, that's your core release. And you want to make sure that you're getting that in every quarter to avoid any sort of penalties. If it's a small amount of money you're making, it's the penalties aren't that big, but the penalties start to ramp up there as you make more money. Well, they also charge you interest too. So it just all adds up. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean, though. But the interest is good, gets higher when the money gets higher. Exactly. The interest isn't that high when it's a small amount. When it starts to get up

there, it's a, it could, it hurts. It stinks. So. There you go, Fabian. Hey, man. You guys got me all around then. Thank you so much. All right, brother. Take it easy. Take it easy.

Hey, just out of curiosity, if the IRS makes a mistake and they don't give you the money that they owe you and it takes them a long time because you can never get to know. No, there's no penalty. Do they pay interest on them? You know, there are, I think, circumstances where they do pay you interest. Where? No, I've seen it before.

Yeah. However, I wouldn't count on it. I don't know. Honestly, I don't know enough about that to say one way or the other. But, yeah. In other words, just, you know, pay your taxes quarterly and you avoid that issue, the one he's talking about. Yeah, yeah.

It's almost like they're forcing you to give you their money. And if you don't, they'll throw you in jail. That's another subject altogether. There's another word for that called theft. Yeah. I don't disagree. He's doing the right thing. I'm so impressed by a guy who,

Self-diagnosis, really. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm going to do this. The things that he did to take care of himself without, you know, literally getting a physical therapist, he got a recommendation from a doctor or what it could be was pretty damn smart. Yeah. Yeah, great job. Our next caller is Renee from Hawaii.

There's Renee. How you doing, Renee? Hey, guys. How's it going? How you doing? Give us the update. What's going on? So, the procedure went well.

everything, you know, the biopsy, everything came back okay. The first few days of recovery was just terrible. I didn't really have anyone here to kind of help me out with things. I mean, I meal prepped way ahead of time so that I can just easily make some food. But like my mental took like a serious spiral within that first week. I'm guessing it was just like hormone fluctuations or whatever. I kept my ovaries though. So despite all of the, you know, all over the place that I was feeling, I, the doctor gave me estradiol, 2 milligrams.

And I'm still feeling like super tired, really weak. But my sleep improved. I had, I quit smoking pot. I have 15 days today. So my dreams are insane. and the only reason I'm getting good sleep, I feel like, is a CBD gummy. So I'm glad that Sal had recommended that. I take some that also had chamomile and aschwaganda in it.

So it really just kind of like mellows me out. And I went from having like average six hours asleep to like seven and a half, almost eight hours, like every night. So I'm not really understanding why I'm so tired like mid-afternoon, like one o'clock to. to like three, I'm just, like, I'm done. I'm tired. So I talked to the doctor about that. And despite me asking about getting labs done, he was like, oh, we just kind of base things off of your symptoms. So if you feel like the estrodial is not working for a little while, you know, we can try like a topical testosterone.

And I don't feel comfortable with that just because, like, you don't know my levels. Why wouldn't you get me a lab for that? So kind of stuck on that area. I know Vita Bella now services Hawaii, thankfully. But again, with me being out of work for a bit, financially just cannot swing it yet. So let's see here. What else I do?

I love the Muscle Mommy meetings with Corinne, Marissa, Nicole. They're so great. I look forward to that. Wednesday. Let me see what else I got going on here. At the six-week mark, I did start doing very light, nothing heavier than 10 pounds. I was doing like maybe I did three days of the muscle mommy 15 and there was no pain or anything like that. I just had like, you know, serious ego deflation from like how much I regressed. I have, gained 15 pounds since the surgery.

And I'm guessing that's, you know, also just from being so sedentary. And, you know, maybe my nutrition wasn't dialed in quite as good. Although I did focus mainly on just getting my protein every day. I was aiming for 160 grams every day. But then again, I was not hungry during the day. And then the evening, like, I'm starving. So yesterday I sat down and made like a rough draft of my daily routine with like wake up times, times to feed myself. And I implemented like a walk in the morning and then a walk after dinner and then just have like the open spaces in the middle for like prospecting at work.

because I had passed the ETA certification. So again, thank you, Sal, for jumping out and sticking your neck out for me by hooking me up with that. I really appreciate it. And yesterday I went, set up a body fat percentage table. Yeah. And had at least like 10 people come up because I'm not good with approaching, you know? So I was like, maybe if I set this up with a nice big sign and a smile. people will come over and sure enough they did.

I'm a little self-conscious with pinching their fat to do the caliper stuff. I feel like I feel like I kept pinching a little too hard. But again, that's just I'm learning. I had another coach there that kind of like helped me out. He went first and then I did it and we cross-reference. So I was still on point even though I felt a little. But anyhow, I had them write down their names and stuff so I can reach out later on to see, like, so there's some potential leads right there, which made me feel really good.

Yeah, what else was it? But my self-esteem and confidence is still, like, really crappy. So when it comes to doing, like, the sales aspect of it, I'm still just, like, not there. I'm halfway through the CES certification, though. So hopefully with that, I know that that would help with, you know, the prime pro that you gave me is great for the assessments. But having having that certification, I think, would really help. Because, like, you guys say, there's very little things you can do with instant gratification as a personal trainer.

But with, like, the correctional exercise things, I feel like that, you know, kind of helps people like, oh, wow. You know, this is something that may be helpful. As for last call, I was totally caught off guard with Adam's question of why I wanted to bodybuild and stuff. I have given that up for now because re-watching that episode and my responses to things, my mindset was really, really just negative. It wasn't in a good space. You know, my oldest son just turned 18 and graduated, so I was all like, you know, in a negative space, I think, like that. I have no set, like I would like to still do it, but in the long future, my main goal now is like the strength and health and feeling better and wanting to help other people. I would love to get into, like, work on getting into that positive mindset eventually, after.

after I have like this strength and more self-confidence. Because I haven't given up that goal, if I'm going to be honest. I just have not put a time frame on it, you know. Well, good. I'm glad you called in. I'm very glad you called in. I'm going to touch on a couple of things, and I'm going to ask you some more questions that go a little deeper.

Is that okay? Absolutely. Okay. So first off, when it comes to approaching people, communicating the sales process, body fat test booth, all the stuff you're going to see in our course is all going to feel awkward, weird, and you're going to feel like you suck at it

until you practice it often. So it's just like the first time you tried to do a squat. It felt weird. You weren't good at it. You just had to practice it. So you knew what to do. You saw the technique. Maybe you watched the video.

You did it. It still felt awkward. It didn't feel comfortable until you practice it often. So if you want to be a really good coach and a really good trainer, which just sounds like you do. It sounds like you have a passion for it. go through our course and practice often.

And I'll give you one tip for the body fat test booth. I love that you did that. And now you see how easy it is. It's really easy. Here's what you need to do, though. You need to book assessments that second, not later. Don't get names to call them later because the odds you're going to get one of those people on the phone to book with you are probably 10% now. But in the moment, it's like 80%.

So it's literally you test the body fat. Hey, what your workout look like? Here's where you're at. Do you have a goal? hey next week on Wednesday and Thursday I have some time available let me take you through a free workout and you're going to get a lot of people I'm going to say yes so the day you do the body fat test is the day that you book your assessments and then you call and confirm for the assessment that's how that works okay does that make sense yeah yeah for sure okay and practice practice practice

all right I'm going to go back because I got to ask you some more questions uh yeah I think that this might help reveal a little bit about why you feel kind of the way you do first off congratulations on 15 days sober from from cannabis. Yeah. Before 15 days, if we go back 15 days ago and beyond, and you can be totally honest, how often and how regularly were you using cannabis? Every single day for about the past 15 years.

Okay. And like throughout the day, so heavy. Okay. That's what took me quite so long to, I'm like, man, I'm recovering from the surgery. And, you know, but then I finally was like, I got to make some changes before I come back to on the show. No, no, no.

I'm glad you did. But again, you're looking at years and years and years of daily use. You also had a major surgery. You had a hysterectomy. Yeah. Which you're recovering from. And there's also some information here in your email that I'm going to ask you if it's okay if I cover that you wrote about a little bit. Doug, can you scroll down just a bit?

Okay. It also says that you are on, you're on a. variety of medications for ADHD and bipolar depression, anxiety, insomnia, and you stopped your ADHD meds right around the same time. So you went off cannabis, you had surgery, and then you went off your ADHD meds. Yes. Only temporarily the ADHD meds mainly because they motivate me to get me going and doing things. And when I'm supposed to calm down and relax and heal, it was just seemed like it was counterproductive. No, totally makes sense.

Always do that with a doctor, by the way. I don't know if you did or not. I did, yeah. Okay, good. Okay, so here's, so you did three, there's three big changes all at once. How long were you on the ADHD medication for? A couple years. Okay.

So, yeah, that makes sense. Going off ADHD medication and going off cannabis, both cause withdrawal symptoms. So withdrawal symptoms can look like, especially both of the, those, increased appetite and a dramatic increase or appetite fluctuations, to be more accurate, and a huge reduction in energy and motivation. All of those things. Cannabis withdrawal from years and years of use ultimately takes a few months. Now, you're going through the hard part right now, which is the wild dreams and, you know,

the cravings. but it takes, because cannabinoids get stored in the fat cells, and your cannabinoid system is also adjusted and adapted to exogenous cannabinoids. And that can take about 90 days, sometimes longer, for your body to fully acclimate. So withdrawal can last a long time. It's not extreme. So people always say, oh, cannabis withdrawal, not a big deal. Well, yeah, if you compare it to opiates, but the withdrawal is real.

Okay, so it's real. and then ADHD medication withdrawal is also real. So what you've done is you've just, you've done everything all at once. And so the way you feel is expected. Yeah. I tend to do that, unfortunately,

like that all or nothing kind of just dive into everything. That's okay. I actually, I want you to reframe though. Listening to that, and I had read just like Sal did, so I knew more of the detail, you think that,

you're sluggish down, not doing great, I think you're kicking ass. Oh, thanks. The fact that you think that you've came off of cannabis that you were doing that much for that long, that in itself could be debilitating for most people. It's a big hurdle. ADHD medication coming off of that completely debilitating.

Recovering from surgery. You had three massive. One of those things would set somebody to where they couldn't even get up and go to work or do their daily shit. So the fact that you're still going to work, trying to build a business, you're still already starting your workouts again, and you have enough motivation to do that is a huge win. Yeah. So you need to give yourself a little bit of credit of what you're going through right now and the fact that you're still getting up and fighting. And so it's going to get better.

It's going to get better. Adam is 100% on point. But where I want you to put your mind is this. Like, this is your goal. Your goal is for the next six months to 12 months to take care of yourself. Because it's going to, here's a deal. You went through the tough initial stages, but it gets really hard three months from now. It gets really, it gets harder, you know, three months from then.

Why? Because you start to feel a little better. And then you want to go back to the old, kind of the old methods. So you've got to think to yourself, okay, I'm in it. for the next year. For one year, my goal is to take care of myself and improve my health. I don't want you to think about bodybuilding. I don't want you to think about performance goals.

I'm going to take care of myself. And you're going to want to do things that bring you joy outside of that. So I love that you're focusing on your business. In my experience, trainers do best when they're serving other people. It's just how they're built. Yeah. And so keep focusing on that and stay in that muscle mommy group. and continue to get support from the people in there and work with them.

But it's going to take a little while. It's going to take a little while. Yeah. But expected. Listen, I want you to know what you're feeling is you're supposed to feel like this. Yeah. The energy crash from one to three. Yeah.

Yeah. But again, the fact that you're going to work, I'm like, holy cow. Yeah. She's tough. Yeah. Well, because I have, I feel like I really just don't have a choice. I have to, you know, because if I sit, then I stay that way. You know, if I'm not, if I'm not moving towards something, I stay that way or even regress.

So I always feel like I have to be moving towards something. And sometimes, yes, I do take too much on at the same time. And then I'm wondering what it is like, why that. Well, I mean, I think, yeah. It's a characteristic, again, just to kind of let you. It's good to know yourself, okay? When someone's neurodivergent and they have tendencies towards bipolar depression anxiety, it's very common to go all or nothing. Yeah.

So that's a common trait. Now, the challenge is going to be the nothing because when you get to that place, you're like, I don't want to do it anymore. The best success you'll have is to be in community that is supporting you through the process. Do you have that or are you feeling alone? I feel very, very alone, actually. I have reached out a little bit to quite a few of the other, like, trainers at work to, you know, ask if I can come off the clock for someone to mentor me or something. And just, you know, haven't really heard very much back from anyone. So.

Do you have any local community that you might be open to, like a local church or some, or a local, sobriety community. It'll increase your odds of success dramatically to have people there with you. Yeah, I was considering going to some meetings and things like that just to

also help with like, you know, the weed stuff and the mental aspect of it. That's like the most tough part. Okay. So if you're taking care of yourself, so Renee, if you're your own daughter, what are you going to tell yourself to do? I mean just take take care of yourself put yourself first you can't take care of anyone else

really if you're I mean wouldn't say that to my daughter but I would definitely say that to me you can't take any care of anyone else if you're not taking care of yourself yes you exhaust yourself that's right but yeah and then Renee's going to respond back and be like I'll do it I'll do it myself I'll take care of me and then what are you going to say yeah yeah I don't even know I It wouldn't. I've tried it and it hasn't worked. So, yeah. Go, go regularly be a part of that group.

Okay. If you really want to succeed at this when it gets really hard, because right now you're in that state of mind that you can probably get into where you're like, I'm doing it all. It's going to be when you get to that state of mind where you're like, I don't want to do any of it. If you go and you're with that community, so it's the sobriety group.

It sounds like that's the one that you were thinking about. Meet with them. Meet with them every week no matter what. Even when you don't want to go. Treat it like your workouts. Meet with them every week. It will dramatically increase your success. Yeah.

Okay. I'll get to that. I know there's also like local, I think twice a week's women meet up and do yoga in the park. So it would also be something I could do not only for the community. Yeah. Love both of those. Hey, who knows?

Maybe we get some clients too. Yeah. That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking for the yoga part. I'm just going to add to this, though. I'm going to add a little, little, I'm going to throw a little wrench into that, okay? Keep it common. Doing workouts is cool.

Making surface friendships is cool. But what you need is community that knows all the dark, dirty parts of Renee, all the challenging parts of Renee. That's the sobriety group. Because your yoga girls aren't going to know that. You're probably not going to disclose all the stuff to them. Yeah. So go to the sobriety group. If you can find one once a week, I'm telling you, that's going to make the odds of success go through the roof.

Just do it. Just treat it like a workout and just go. Okay. Yeah, because I only just started yesterday with Robbie as far as like the coaching and training and all that kind of stuff. So, um, Robbie's. He actually, yeah, he's so great. I love him. And he, he actually helped me out also realizing like maybe going to one of the local, like, senior living homes and

offering free mobility. That's great. Love that idea. Yeah. Cool. Love that idea. I was like, great idea, dude. The only, the only advice I'm going to give you is go, go, go meet with the sobriety group

once a week. Start with that. That's the one I want you to do. Okay. And now that you're with my coach, I'm going to know if you're doing it or not. That's right. We're going to check in with Roby. I'm going to check in with him.

We're watching you, Renee. Okay. You're doing great. You're doing great. You are. You're climbing a big mountain. That's right. Have some people next to you that know what's happening.

Put it in the light. I know. You got to put it in the light. This is like mold. It grows in the dark. Put some sunshine on it. Have some people around you that know what's going on. Tell them everything.

Me with them every week. And it's going to make your success probable. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's definitely something easy too that I can do. I mean, right after I get off the call, I can look up local meetings and stuff. Let's do it. Renee.

Do it, Renee. I'm going to check with Robbie. Okay. All right. Yeah. And then listen, go practice the body fat test booth. It's such an easy way to get clients. Yeah, for sure.

All right, Derek. And I liked it more, too, because they were just coming to me. Totally. Exactly. Totally. We have a lot of stuff in that course that'll help you with that. Yeah. Yeah, I already passed it.

Good job. And got my thing. Good job. Yep. Yeah, you're a killer. You're doing good. You're doing good. You're doing good.

Yeah. Do what we said. I'd love to hear back from you. Yeah, for sure. All right, Renee. We'll stay in touch. Thanks guys You got it

If she meets with people She's gonna do it If she doesn't it's be hard She did a lot of stuff at once Bro, you can't get all on I took it all on man Someone who Someone who smokes weed all day

Throughout the day And has for 15 years is hard ADHD Medication I know That's like quit meth That's right That's crazy

And post surgery Yeah Come on dude The fact that she can get up And get out of bed every day is a big deal. It is. Yeah, no, like, just come on, dude, you got to give yourself a little bit of grace and just look at this little bit.

Of course, she feels tired. Right. I mean, God. It's still way early. You know, this is going to be definitely at least six months of feeling that way before you start feeling good, you know. But I think, I think it's six months, six months, she'll start to really feel good. And then like you said, that's a fight for a year.

Our next caller is Suez from Australia. Hi, Suez. How you doing, Suez? Hello. Hi, guys. How are you? Good. Good.

Good. How can we help you? Yeah. Well, this feels a bit surreal. But anyway, 3 a.m. in the morning here in Australia. Oh, sorry about that. Man, you look pretty good and wide awake for 3 a.m. right now. I would never guess that. Let me just say, haven't slept all night. So. Oh, darn it. All right. So I'll get onto my question. All right. I'm 46-year-old female.

five for approximately 60 kilos. I don't really weigh myself as is a little bit triggering for me. I've been in the gym basically since I was 16 years old. I really struggle with not training. I'm at a total loss dealing with multiple tendonopathies, chronic hamstring tendinopathy, which has been going for probably two years, tennis elbow a few months,

golfers elbow, which is, I feel like it's healed. On top of this, it's just knee and shoulder needles that I've, you know, just got to stay on top of with foam rolling, et cetera, et cetera.

I will read this out to you, but my split has changed a little bit. My current routine is four-day, up, a lower split and one-day metabolic resistance training. Although the metabolic resistance changed to a full body day due to

aggravating my hamstring again I'm doing standard out asymmetrics and eccentrics probably not as much as I should be but every time I feel close to recovering something sets me back so last year I did a fitness event flared up my

hamstring and then a month or so ago I was doing the washing a bunch of my washing basket against the doorway and jarred my leg. So re-aggravani again, which, yeah, just shows how sensitive I am at the moment. So yeah, I still want to train hard, build muscle, but I feel trapped by the injuries. Beyond standard isometrics and eccentrics, what do you try and tested training, diet and recovery trips? tips for healing, stubborn tendons at my age so I can safely learn again.

Ideally, I just want to be pain free like I'm done. Yeah. Give me a little bit more about like your daily routine outside of working out. Do you work? Are you what your day? You get up, sleep, how's your sleep? Tell me more about the rest of your life. Sleep is sporadic.

I have some, I've got a, Garman, it's a sleep score, sometimes really great. 96 is my PB, but I've also gone down to 40s. Oh, wow. Average, probably 70 to 80, okay.

I'm a mum of two kids. My husband runs a business, so he works from 6.30 to 8.30 at night, not, yeah, 6.30 a.m. to 8.30 p.m. so I do with the household things. Yeah, get up 4.30, go to the gym for days a week. I'm actually qualified as a PT,

so I've just started up as a PT in the last two months. And I work my other job three days a week for now. Suze, you're doing a lot. This is an easy diagnosis, but the recommendation is going to really hard for you. Okay. Does it feel hard? Go ahead. Can I just, I am now training only, well, full body day, three days a week.

and doing some sprint intitals on the other. Yeah, of course you. So, Suez, so, okay, let me ask you, is it okay if I ask you a few more questions? Sure. Does the following resonate with you? You just feel like your body's fragile. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Okay, it's not fraught. Yeah, it's falling apart at 46, which is not cool. Actually, 46, 7 next week. It's actually not fragile. So let me just tell you, let me give you the factors. and then the diagnosis, which I'm fully confident in. And then the advice can be really hard for you, okay?

You've been working out since you were 16 consistently. Weighing yourself triggers you. You love working out. There's probably a bit of a release or an escape or there's an attachment to it. You've competed in fitness events. And we have multiple repeated injuries, some of which don't seem to be connected. Golfler's elbow, hamstring, issue.

shoe, pain here there. I did something in the laundry room, hurt myself. Okay. We also have, we also have subpar sleep at best. Subpar sleep. Husband works all day long. You got to manage a household and stuff. You are chronically overtrained. Yeah. Chronically overtrained. By the way, still. By the way, your overtraining is why your sleep sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's why your sleep is, is, is messed up. So that's a diagnosis. Chronically overtrained. You probably also under-eat.

In fact, I don't need to ask you questions about your diet because you fit very nicely into an avatar of a kind of client. Yeah. I listened to that the other day. Right. So here's the prescription. It's going to be hard. Okay.

You're going to have to work out way less. Maps 15-esque. And you're going to have to eat more. And you've got to give it like six. months to nine months. Okay. Now I'm going to encourage you. At the end of that, you're going to feel the way you think you should feel when you

work out all the time. You're going to feel resilient, strong, muscle, fat loss. It's going to feel like you're doing nothing and your body's working for you. That's what it's going to feel like probably nine months from now. Within the nine months, this is what it's going to feel like. I'm gaining weight. I'm losing muscle. I'm losing my mind.

I need to work out more. this isn't working and then it starts to work and then you start to see kind of what's going on. But you're chronically overtrained and also probably under eating. And so your body's doing exactly what I would expect it to do with those things, including the bad sleep. Yeah.

Yeah. Which is really a big component for injury. Oh, yeah, for sure. Between that and then, I mean, Mass 15 symmetry, if we're going to go in that direction. I know you mentioned isometrics, but, you know, if you really do, like, incorporate that every now and then we'll help bring back that stability we need.

Yeah. So you feel more secure. And really, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, is just for your body to feel strong in these movements. Do you, do you, do you, or do you, or do you have to go to the gym to lift? Uh, uh, no, go to the gym. Okay. Yeah. Do you know, uh, do you, do you have any idea of how many calories you're consuming on a regular basis?

Um, um, yeah, this is also a bit of a true boom thing. Um, um, um, give or give or take. obviously you've got high days, lower days, but that's probably, yeah, average. Chronically, under eating, chronically overeating. And someone like you, Suez, I'm going to guess that you gave us a number that's higher than what you're probably averaging. Okay, so you probably averaged closer to 17, 8 is what I would guess, just knowing. She said that's like, yeah, there's probably some low days there or some higher days. It's probably 15 to 17 some days, some days 22, 23. So what it's going to look like, I'll tell you what it'll look like, but then I'm also going to make another recommendation.

So what's going to look like is you're going to reverse diet yourself for probably three to six months. And you're going to follow Maps 15 symmetry. That's your workout. You can walk otherwise. But someone like you, I would still limit the walking to a maximum of 15,000 steps a day. Because I think it would be someone like you would easily get in the 20,000s because you're not working out as much. So I'd say walk, never go above 15,000. Maps 15th symmetry, reverse diet.

The things that you're measuring, strength, energy, sleep. sleep. Those are the three things we're looking at. That's it. I don't care about the scale. I don't care about how we look right now. I care about strength, energy, sleep. If those things are getting better, everything else will come together. But that's what we're focused on. Now, you did say something. You said, I'm done with this. Like, it sounds like you're at the end of your rope and you're like, I'll do, I just need to stop hurting. Yeah, it's getting very frustrating. different formula. Your best chances of success by far would be to work with one of our coaches. Because this is going to be a very difficult six to nine months for you. And mainly to coach you through the process, adjust nutrition on the fly, change workout programming on the fly. Not because you don't know what to do, but because you just need that other voice in your ear. Because you obviously have been doing this for a long time, know what you're doing.

This is not a matter of you don't understand. exercise. You understand it. You understand all that very well. It's someone to get out, to help you get out of your own way. So here's what will happen if you did it by yourself. If you like, okay, I'm going to do what they tell me. You start eating more. You start following maps 15 symmetry. 30 days from now, you're going to feel like you're on top of the world and you're ready to go back to what you were doing before. Wrong. No, we got to keep going to be typical. Because you're going to be, oh my God, I don't hurt. I feel good. Let's go. Let's get after it. Yeah. And that's going to happen about 30 days. Your sleep will feel good, probably by week.

to you'll start sleeping better and then you're like all right let's get after it so a coach is invaluable for what we're talking about and if you if you're interested i could have someone call you and talk to you what that looks like but you're probably going to want to work with someone for six to nine months through this process yeah otherwise the general advice is what i told you and you're going to get maps 15 symmetry no matter what yeah all right so what um when you're saying first diet, what sort of target what I should be going for. Well, that's the toughest part is to figure that out exactly because one, the first thing we would need to do is kind of track and figure out where our baseline is,

that we have a good baseline. So the coach would normally have you for a week track diligently just so we can see. And then once they have an idea, then it's going to be like a week to week thing. We may start off and whatever is easier at the client. Like sometimes with the client, it's, I want you, every meal that you're already currently eating bump the ounces of meat by two ounces. It might look like if it's easier for you to just do exactly what you're doing, but add a shake at the end of the night, we might do that at a shake at the night.

And then we'll hold there for a week or two, make sure weight stabilizing, feel good, energy's going up. Do we notice things like strength, all those things improving, cool. Hey, let's bump again another 200 calories or so. Hold there for a little bit. And sometimes, you know, along the way, say we're five weeks in. And it's not feeling good. I have to bring a client back down for a week or two.

So it looks, it's hard to say what the prescription looks like because it's not, it's not like this cut and dry. Oh, you just do these things and you'll be fine. It's like, well, you know, normally when I'm reversed dining a client, it looks something like that where we're adding every couple of weeks, some hundred, a couple hundred calories. Typically, we have challenges somewhere along the way where we got to hold for a while or even pull back for a little bit. And so it's kind of this ebb and flow.

and that's why Sal said six to kind of nine months because it's a process. But it's kind of what the process is good. But at the end of it looks like I'm eating 2,800 calories. I'm training way less intense. I'm sleeping better. I'm stronger. I'm not hurt. Energy's up.

That's what it should look like. It'll feel like you're doing nothing and your body is just looking great because of how hard you've worked for as long as you've done this. It's going to feel like this is magic. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I do have a go-hard or go-to-home mentality. So I think that's why I need in this position.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, let me ask you, Suez, because as I'm talking about this, just be real honest with me, you look sad, you look a bit distraught. Like, you're hearing what I'm saying, and it's almost like I knew they'd say that. Tell me a little about what you're feeling about this. Oh, I think it needs to be done, to be honest. I need something needs to change, because if nothing changes, I'm just going down the

part. Yeah. But why does it, why does it feel hard or sad? I was just probably letting go of something that I love. It is an escape, I suppose. It is like for mental health,

I think, exercise as well, as you guys know. We are going to change that relationship. So right now you're with an abusive boyfriend, called fitness, and it's scary to leave him. And you're going to meet a new boyfriend

that's going to treat you right, and you're going to question it, and you're not going to be sure until he treats you white for a while. And then you're going to be like, I'm going to marry this guy. Yeah. So that's what it's going to be like.

It's Chris Hemsworth. I mean. Yeah. Yes. Yes. It's just, it's going to totally change your relationship with this. And it's going to be a completely new chapter in your life.

And you're going to feel really good. But it's going to be hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's good. That's good advice.

Thank you. I'm going to send you symmetry. And then if you, if you're okay with it, I'll have one of my top coaches call you. And you can kind of see what that looks like. What's, When you say call, because it's obviously 3 a.m in the morning here, I'm not sure if I can do the 3 a.m.

No, no, no, no. We'll have them follow up with you later. We need to go right to bed. You need to go to sleep. Go get your sleep. But we'll have them follow up with you tomorrow on your time. Yeah, they'll follow up with you. Yeah, perfect.

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It actually works. I know it's wild. Alcohol. I don't think it's alcohol all the time. I do. I'm not sure how good it was it for me or not because I've done. No, it's been nice. I've been,

I've never been able to. I mean, I'm 45 years old and only in the last 10 years have I been able to be somebody who can just have a casual drink and not feel terrible. I've always felt terrible from alcohol and just decided I'll never, never have it. Where now it's nice. I can actually sit down and have.

glass of whiskey and enjoy it. I don't need to have five. I can have one and not feel terrible. And the zibiotic just fixes that. So awesome. Yeah. I'm with you. Game changer. Yeah. I'm with you. That's awesome. All right. Well, we'll have someone call you. We're going to send over symmetry no matter what. So symmetry is coming your way. And then we'll get this. We'll get this fixed. All right. All right. Great. Thanks so much. Appreciate it. What's interesting about this. And we're just used to it because we've worked with people before. But if you're watching this, you yourself are probably like, duh, over train. You got to eat more. But when it's you, when you're dealing with yourself, it's very hard to see or you don't want to

because you don't want to go. This is where coaching becomes so valuable because they help you with that. Well, I mean, when she was listening, if you only heard all the stuff she said and then you went and tried, as a trainer, went and tried to fix all the stuff that she's more stuff, more correct. Right, right, right. She left out all the others left out what she does for a living, when she's working out, her lifestyle. And then, boy, when she started laying all that, it was like, just so much. Just clear. Just clear.

But just for, I mean, and this could be other things, but generally speaking, chronic repeated injuries where they pop all over the body typically means you're doing too much and not rest of. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 100%. the body, this is the body trying to whisper to you and then it's screaming at you. You know, it's like, hey, the first injury was like, hey, we need to come back a little bit. And the second one, hey, it's just like, now it's just like, hey, we're going to get hurt every time you do almost anything now because we're not getting your attention. Look, if you like Mind Pump, come find us on Instagram.

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